From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 00:18:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21699 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:18:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA21693 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:18:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA03980; Sun, 3 May 1998 07:43:58 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805030543.HAA03980@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: win95 ppp config... To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 07:43:58 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sorry for the question but... in Windows95, how can i use ppp over a dedicated line (possibly with soft flow control) ? The Win95 configuration seems to only propose ppp access through a modem, and even if i can bring up a terminal before and after the connection has been set up, it insists to issue modem commands in the middle, and it hangs there... thanks luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 05:01:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA23862 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:01:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA23855 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:01:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA10690; Sun, 3 May 1998 08:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 08:01:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: win95 ppp config... In-Reply-To: <199805030543.HAA03980@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Someone wrote a null-modem definition for the win95 modem 'driver' config widget that did the right thing the last time I tried. On Sun, 3 May 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > sorry for the question but... > > in Windows95, how can i use ppp over a dedicated line (possibly with > soft flow control) ? > > The Win95 configuration seems to only propose ppp access through > a modem, and even if i can bring up a terminal before and after > the connection has been set up, it insists to issue modem commands > in the middle, and it hangs there... /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 08:50:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12493 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 08:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aaka.3skel.com (aaka.3skel.com [207.240.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12482 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 08:50:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danj@3skel.com) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by aaka.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id LAA18789; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (danj@localhost) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA13834; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 11:50:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Janowski To: Doug White cc: Omar Thameen , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: login.conf and "daemon" class In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems that there are boot processes that will require more resources than one would want normal daemons to have. Is there a clear way for an 'init' login.class to be applied to foreground boot processes. Background processes would be spawned as daemon.class and ofcourse when init completes the boot process. Eh? Dan On Sat, 2 May 1998, Doug White wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Omar Thameen wrote: > > > Now /etc/rc.local is also called from /etc/rc, so I assume the same > > class "daemon" restrictions apply - is this correct? > > Yes, the login class info is inherited between shells. > > Doug White | University of Oregon > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- danj@3skel.com Dan Janowski Triskelion Systems, Inc. Bronx, NY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 10:14:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22296 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 10:14:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soleil.uvsq.fr (soleil.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22188 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 10:13:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from son@cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr) Received: from cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr (rtc104.reseau.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.20]) by soleil.uvsq.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.3) with ESMTP id TAA23480 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:13:53 +0200 (METDST) Received: (from son@localhost) by cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA00249; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:15:32 GMT Message-ID: <19980503191531.45796@coreff.prism.uvsq.fr> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:15:31 +0000 From: Nicolas Souchu To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e X-Operating-System: FreeBSD coreff 2.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, Here are few questions about PnP support... o Is there any developments currently for Microsoft-ISA PnP support? o Should we consider the BIOS does all job for us, and just retrieve information from BIOS at power up? And with broken BIOS? o What are the interactions between PCI PnP and ISA PnP? o Does the sound-PnP stuff support such things? I was about to write some parallel chipset dependent code, and I realized all chipsets will be controlled identicaly soon (according to the ISA PnP standard). I'm new too such considerations, any suggestion/pointer will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Regards. -- Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 11:19:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01227 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:19:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01219 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:19:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA12339; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 13:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Nicolas Souchu cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? In-Reply-To: <19980503191531.45796@coreff.prism.uvsq.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 May 1998, Nicolas Souchu wrote: > Hi there, > > Here are few questions about PnP support... > > o Is there any developments currently for Microsoft-ISA PnP support? > o Should we consider the BIOS does all job for us, and just > retrieve information from BIOS at power up? And with broken BIOS? > o What are the interactions between PCI PnP and ISA PnP? > o Does the sound-PnP stuff support such things? I'm not a device driver author, but I do know that FreeBSD makes _no_ use whatsoever of the bios. It relies in no way whatsoever on anything in the bios that a device might have added. > > I was about to write some parallel chipset dependent code, and I > realized all chipsets will be controlled identicaly soon (according > to the ISA PnP standard). > > I'm new too such considerations, any suggestion/pointer will be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Regards. > > -- > Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr > FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 11:35:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03230 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:35:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA03192 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:35:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA04499; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:00:37 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805031700.TAA04499@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? To: Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr (Nicolas Souchu) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:00:36 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980503191531.45796@coreff.prism.uvsq.fr> from "Nicolas Souchu" at May 3, 98 07:15:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi there, > > Here are few questions about PnP support... beware, the way 'PnP' is implemented is different on different buses. There is PnP for PCI, ISA, parallel port, serial ports, and who knows what more... > o Is there any developments currently for Microsoft-ISA PnP support? there is ISA PnP support in 2.2.6, and patches for 2.2.X are available on my web page. > o Should we consider the BIOS does all job for us, and just > retrieve information from BIOS at power up? And with broken BIOS? you can trust the bios, or boot with -c and manually override the PnP configuration > o What are the interactions between PCI PnP and ISA PnP? i'd say none. > o Does the sound-PnP stuff support such things? yes > I was about to write some parallel chipset dependent code, and I > realized all chipsets will be controlled identicaly soon (according > to the ISA PnP standard). see the first note. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 11:41:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03967 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:41:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA03950 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA04516; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:06:27 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805031706.TAA04516@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:06:27 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at May 3, 98 01:17:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm not a device driver author, but I do know that FreeBSD makes _no_ > use whatsoever of the bios. It relies in no way whatsoever on anything actually this is false. Even booting from disk uses BIOS services. and resources to PCI and ISA-PnP devices are assigned by the bios. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 11:54:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06070 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:54:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06061 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:54:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA12407; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 13:52:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Luigi Rizzo cc: Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? In-Reply-To: <199805031706.TAA04516@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 May 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > I'm not a device driver author, but I do know that FreeBSD makes _no_ > > use whatsoever of the bios. It relies in no way whatsoever on anything > > actually this is false. Even booting from disk uses BIOS services. > and resources to PCI and ISA-PnP devices are assigned by the bios. I guess in my mind I was saying that the drivers don't use any bios routines ... the booting is _not_ done by FreeBSD, so I was still right there, but the PnP assignment, perhaps the data from that (but not the routines) are used, is that a correct assumption? The point was, our device drivers don't make any use of bios routines. Is that right? You *are* a device driver author, so I'll assume you can answer that correctly. The Pnp stuff, I mean the assignment, is done before FreeBSD gets control, right? And there is never any call from FreeBSD to any bios code, right? Even remapped code, or any code originally copied from bios, right? > > cheers > luigi > -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- > Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione > email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa > tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ > _____________________________|______________________________________ > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 12:04:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07651 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:04:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailout01.btx.dtag.de (mailout01.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07622 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from 07131970379-0001@t-online.de) Received: from fwd08.btx.dtag.de (fwd08.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.168]) by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 0yW40a-0001Uu-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:01:09 +0200 Received: from Noname (07131970379-0001(btxid)@[193.159.35.117]) by fwd08.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 3 May 1998 20:44:03 +0200 Message-ID: <000101bd76c3$4e5167a0$75239fc1@Noname> To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:10:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Sender: 07131970379-0001@t-online.de From: 07131970379-0001@t-online.de (M. Welsch) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 12:24:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10005 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:24:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09981 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:24:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22622; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: Studded cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: named upgrade In-Reply-To: <354C049D.4180F5BC@san.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2 May 1998, Studded wrote: > > Any time estimates on when BIND 4.9.7 is going into the source tree, > > and/or is someone working on it? Now that 4.9.6 is vulnerable to major > > security bugs we need to accelerate this upgrade. > > Peter was working on it today. I just cvsup'ed and built -stable and > named is 4.9.7-T1b. It's also in -current for now, although he's upping > that to the 8.1.2 beta. Paul Vixie wants to put out the gold versions of > both in the next few days but the word is that the changes between the > last beta and the gold versions are small. Cool. Thanks for the updates. I'll stay tuned to my CVS repository. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 12:27:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10255 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:27:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10247 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 28234 invoked by uid 1017); 3 May 1998 18:24:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 12:24:21 -0600 (MDT) From: Atipa To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: win95 ppp config... In-Reply-To: <199805030543.HAA03980@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Look for "direct modem connection". You need to install it separately. It supports null-modem and laplink (parallel), so I don't think a dedicated line would be a problem. Kevin On Sun, 3 May 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > sorry for the question but... > > in Windows95, how can i use ppp over a dedicated line (possibly with > soft flow control) ? > > The Win95 configuration seems to only propose ppp access through > a modem, and even if i can bring up a terminal before and after > the connection has been set up, it insists to issue modem commands > in the middle, and it hangs there... > > thanks > luigi > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 12:32:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11582 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11548 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:32:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15919; Sun, 3 May 1998 14:32:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id OAA06697; Sun, 3 May 1998 14:31:28 -0500 Message-ID: <19980503143127.54179@right.PCS> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:31:27 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Chuck Robey Cc: Luigi Rizzo , Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? References: <199805031706.TAA04516@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on May 05, 1998 at 01:52:55PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On May 05, 1998 at 01:52:55PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Sun, 3 May 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > I'm not a device driver author, but I do know that FreeBSD makes _no_ > > > use whatsoever of the bios. It relies in no way whatsoever on anything > > > > actually this is false. Even booting from disk uses BIOS services. > > and resources to PCI and ISA-PnP devices are assigned by the bios. > > I guess in my mind I was saying that the drivers don't use any bios > routines ... the booting is _not_ done by FreeBSD, so I was still right > there, but the PnP assignment, perhaps the data from that (but not the > routines) are used, is that a correct assumption? The point was, our > device drivers don't make any use of bios routines. Is that right? You > *are* a device driver author, so I'll assume you can answer that > correctly. > > The Pnp stuff, I mean the assignment, is done before FreeBSD gets > control, right? And there is never any call from FreeBSD to any bios > code, right? Even remapped code, or any code originally copied from > bios, right? Normally, yes. However, I've added code to -current so you can make BIOS calls while FreeBSD is running; it is currently only used to get the correct memory size when the kernel boots. The APM code also uses the machine's BIOS to handle all APM events. I'm sitting on code that will allow 16-bit BIOS calls from the kernel, these could conceivably be used to get the various PnP events. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 12:55:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15352 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15347 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:55:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01363; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805031954.MAA01363@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Chuck Robey cc: Nicolas Souchu , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 13:17:32 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 12:54:49 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sometimes depending upon the device we do depend on the BIOS to do the PnP initialization. For instance, if the device does not require further initialization than the PnP bios provides then there is no need for a FreeBSD driver to do any PnP related initialization. Devices such as the GUS PnP sound card needs initialization other than what the PnP provides. What we do need is a bus independent layer for ISA, PCI and PnP devices for legacy systems. The PC world is quickly moving to PCI only systems. Cheers, Amancio > On Sun, 3 May 1998, Nicolas Souchu wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > Here are few questions about PnP support... > > > > o Is there any developments currently for Microsoft-ISA PnP support? > > o Should we consider the BIOS does all job for us, and just > > retrieve information from BIOS at power up? And with broken BIOS? > > o What are the interactions between PCI PnP and ISA PnP? > > o Does the sound-PnP stuff support such things? > > I'm not a device driver author, but I do know that FreeBSD makes _no_ > use whatsoever of the bios. It relies in no way whatsoever on anything > in the bios that a device might have added. > > > > > I was about to write some parallel chipset dependent code, and I > > realized all chipsets will be controlled identicaly soon (according > > to the ISA PnP standard). > > > > I'm new too such considerations, any suggestion/pointer will be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Regards. > > > > -- > > Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr > > FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) > (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 13:05:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17244 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:05:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17231 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01429; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805032004.NAA01429@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Chuck Robey cc: Luigi Rizzo , Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 13:52:55 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 13:04:32 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We don't use bios calls for drivers however very recently someone checked in code to make bios calls which can come in handy for video adapters video modes. Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 13:23:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19702 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:23:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from px.f1.ru (px.f1.ru [194.87.86.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19656 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:22:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from am@px.f1.ru) Received: (from am@localhost) by px.f1.ru (8.8.8/amsoft/1.0) id AAA17846 ; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:17:34 +0400 (MSD) From: Andrew Maltsev Message-Id: <199805032017.AAA17846@px.f1.ru> Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 00:17:34 +0400 (MSD) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: am@f1.ru Organization: F1 communications X-Phone: +7-086-229-9988 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I'm not a device driver author, but I do know that FreeBSD makes _no_ > > > use whatsoever of the bios. It relies in no way whatsoever on anything > > > > actually this is false. Even booting from disk uses BIOS services. > > and resources to PCI and ISA-PnP devices are assigned by the bios. > > I guess in my mind I was saying that the drivers don't use any bios > routines ... the booting is _not_ done by FreeBSD, so I was still right > there, but the PnP assignment, perhaps the data from that (but not the > routines) are used, is that a correct assumption? The point was, our > device drivers don't make any use of bios routines. Is that right? You > *are* a device driver author, so I'll assume you can answer that > correctly. It's more for -chat, but consider APM bios support also :) > The Pnp stuff, I mean the assignment, is done before FreeBSD gets > control, right? And there is never any call from FreeBSD to any bios > code, right? Even remapped code, or any code originally copied from > bios, right? No. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 15:15:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08816 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 15:15:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08776; Sun, 3 May 1998 15:15:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02964; Sun, 3 May 1998 15:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805032214.PAA02964@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 to: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:47:41 PDT." <15069.892630061@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 15:14:53 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Are people even trying out this wonderful package?? Amancio > And available in: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE/commerce/3D/ > > Please see the web page at http://www.neogeo.nl for more information > on the Blender system. This is an extremely powerful 3D design > package and you WILL need to read the various tutorial documents and > try their examples before you've any hope of using it effectively. :-) > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 16:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16635 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16247; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id SAA19172; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:00:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Amancio Hasty cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <199805032214.PAA02964@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 May 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Are people even trying out this wonderful package?? I downloaded it and tried it out on -current to see if it worked on -current, but it just fires up, the screen turns blue real fast and then core dumps :) and everything goes back to normal. But I didnt dump to much time into getting it to run. But I think it's cause its for 2.2.5(6). Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 16:37:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23785 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:37:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from istari.home.net (cc158233-a.catv1.md.home.com [24.3.25.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23774 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:37:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjr@home.net) Received: (from sjr@localhost) by istari.home.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id TAA02099 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:36:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen J. Roznowski" Message-Id: <199805032336.TAA02099@istari.home.net> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bmaked version of perl 5 available for testing In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Eivind Eklund ' dated: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:37:59 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: Eivind Eklund > > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:27:04PM -0400, Stephen J. Roznowski wrote: > > I've uploaded a bmaked version of perl5 to > > > > ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/bmake-perl5-1.0.tar.gz > > > > This tar file contains two items: > > > > BSD.usr.dist.patch - a patch that adds the perl directories, and > > > > perl5/ - contains the perl5 code and expects to live in > > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin [I named it this way to prevent > > a conflict with the current perl version] > > This should (ideally, at least) expect to live in > /usr/src/contrib/perl5 (original code) and /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin > (makefiles). I'm looking at this now. Should this be /usr/src/contrib/perl5 and /usr/src/usr.bin/perl5? [Paralleling how top is....] > Could you make an attempt at splitting it thus? I'm not sure exactly how this should look... Do I need to parallel the directory structure that /usr/src/contrib/perl5 contains? Thanks, -SR To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 17:23:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01649 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01624; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03840; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:22:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805040022.RAA03840@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Open Systems Networking cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 19:00:38 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:22:41 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't think is a 2.x vs. 3.x issue because I was able to run "blender" over here and I am running -current. Perhaps if you can post a stack trace it will help also some apps have problems running at certain color depths so it would be nice if you can post at what resolution / color depth you are running at. Cheers, Amancio > On Sun, 3 May 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Are people even trying out this wonderful package?? > > I downloaded it and tried it out on -current to see if it worked on > -current, but it just fires up, the screen turns blue real fast and then > core dumps :) and everything goes back to normal. But I didnt dump to much > time into getting it to run. But I think it's cause its for 2.2.5(6). > > Chris > > -- > "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" > > ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. > FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 > -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 > FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net > http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security > ===================================| http://open-systems.net > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te > gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC > foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z > d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb > NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv > CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 > b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= > =BBjp > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 17:56:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07287 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:56:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07218; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:56:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04394; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:55:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805040055.RAA04394@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 to: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 15:14:53 PDT." <199805032214.PAA02964@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:55:41 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you ever wonder why linux is getting ahead , cold or no response to key strategic technologies such as what "blender" represents is one of the reasons that linux is getting ahead of FreeBSD . We have a FreeBSD friendly vendor let us no lose this relationship. Amancio > Are people even trying out this wonderful package?? > > Amancio > > > And available in: > > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE/commerce/3D/ > > > > Please see the web page at http://www.neogeo.nl for more information > > on the Blender system. This is an extremely powerful 3D design > > package and you WILL need to read the various tutorial documents and > > try their examples before you've any hope of using it effectively. :-) > > > > Jordan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 17:58:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07609 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from istari.home.net (cc158233-a.catv1.md.home.com [24.3.25.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07575 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:58:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjr@home.net) Received: (from sjr@localhost) by istari.home.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA07106 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 3 May 1998 20:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 20:58:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen J. Roznowski" Message-Id: <199805040058.UAA07106@istari.home.net> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bmaked version of perl 5 available for testing In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Stephen J. Roznowski" ' dated: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > From: Eivind Eklund > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:27:04PM -0400, Stephen J. Roznowski wrote: > > > I've uploaded a bmaked version of perl5 to > > > > > > ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/bmake-perl5-1.0.tar.gz > > > > > > This tar file contains two items: > > > > > > BSD.usr.dist.patch - a patch that adds the perl directories, and > > > > > > perl5/ - contains the perl5 code and expects to live in > > > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin [I named it this way to prevent > > > a conflict with the current perl version] > > > > This should (ideally, at least) expect to live in > > /usr/src/contrib/perl5 (original code) and /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin > > (makefiles). > > > Could you make an attempt at splitting it thus? I've uploaded a newer version that is split. It's: ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/bmake-perl5-1.1.tar.gz This tar file contains: BSD.usr.dist.patch - a patch that adds the perl directories, and contrib/perl5 - contains the perl5 code, and usr.bin/perl5 - contains the makefiles. I'd appreciate hearing any feedback on whether I got this completely correct. As before, if I don't hear anything in a couple of days or so, I'll send-pr this. Thanks, -SR To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 18:24:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11678 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:24:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.its.rpi.edu (dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu [128.113.161.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11663 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (dec@localhost) by phoenix.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA06591 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:24:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:24:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "David E. Cross" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was doing a network backup of my machine with the following command earlier today: dump 0uf - /home | nc backuphost backupport (and on the backup server, a solaris 2.5.1 machine) nc -l -p backupport >/path/client.home.980503.dump all was going fine until about 75% of the way through the transfer when an intermediate router went down, at this point I started to notice some pecularities on my FreeBSD 2.2.6-stable machine (-stable from 5-1-98). I could not even ping machines on my local network, it would givean error similar to (sorry I I did not write it down): "ping: no network buffers available", any telnet requet, etc would just hang indefinititely, the offending dump and nc programs finally died, but I was still unable to do anything until after a reboot of my machine. What happened here? --- David Cross To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 18:39:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13882 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA13874 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:38:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yW9nw-0004DG-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:12:28 -0700 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 18:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: "David E. Cross" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 May 1998, David E. Cross wrote: > similar to (sorry I I did not write it down): "ping: no network buffers > available", any telnet requet, etc would just hang indefinititely, the Not enough mbufs. Increase MAXUSERS or NMBCLUSTERS Beware, dump/restore is also broken for large filesystems. I personally think that dump/restore should be dropped from FreeBSD. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 18:39:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14029 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA13997 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:39:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yW9oz-0004DI-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:13:33 -0700 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 18:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: "David E. Cross" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 May 1998, David E. Cross wrote: > similar to (sorry I I did not write it down): "ping: no network buffers > available", any telnet requet, etc would just hang indefinititely, the Also, it seems that the tx ethernet driver can lose mbufs too. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 19:10:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19350 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (quokka1.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19283 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:09:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA20240; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:08:46 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA04951; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:08:39 +0800 Message-Id: <199805040208.KAA04951@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Julian Elischer cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: C-BASIC anyone? (only oldies need apply :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 May 1998 02:52:12 MST." <354AECCC.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:08:39 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmm. Does it translate the source, and do you have something that'll handle the runtime pcode? Stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 19:59:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28047 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:59:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from miris.lcs.mit.edu (root@miris.lcs.mit.edu [18.111.0.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28016 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beng@miris.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from miris.lcs.mit.edu (beng@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by miris.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA10604; Sun, 3 May 1998 22:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805040259.WAA10604@miris.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Tom cc: "David E. Cross" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 18:12:27 PDT." From: Benjamin Greenwald X-Sender: beng@lcs.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 22:59:26 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Sun, 3 May 1998, David E. Cross wrote: > > > similar to (sorry I I did not write it down): "ping: no network buffers > > available", any telnet requet, etc would just hang indefinititely, the > > Not enough mbufs. Increase MAXUSERS or NMBCLUSTERS > > Beware, dump/restore is also broken for large filesystems. I personally > think that dump/restore should be dropped from FreeBSD. > > Tom It's been fairly well proven that dump/restore is by far the most accurate way of backing up one's filesystems. Dropping dump/restore would not only put a huge number of users in the lurch, but it would be eliminating the best tool for the job. I'm not familiar with the problems in dump/restore, but it seems to make a lot more sense to me to fix them rather than force everyone to change over to an inferior solution. Do you have a suggestion as to what we'd replace dump/restore with? (And PLEASE don't say "tar -g" ... *shiver*) Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 21:17:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12150 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:17:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (garbanzo@sf3-29.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12102 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA04662; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:17:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:17:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <15069.892630061@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > And available in: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE/commerce/3D/ > > Please see the web page at http://www.neogeo.nl for more information > on the Blender system. This is an extremely powerful 3D design > package and you WILL need to read the various tutorial documents and > try their examples before you've any hope of using it effectively. :-) Their web page BTW, has the URL wrong. It points to the non-existant dir: /pub/FreeBSD/2.2.x-stuff - alex "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 21:37:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14606 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from interfusion.aus.net (interfusion.aus.net [203.8.15.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14501; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:35:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sysadmin@interfusion.aus.net) Received: from localhost (sysadmin@localhost) by interfusion.aus.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08709; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:41:49 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:41:46 +1000 (EST) From: System Admin To: freebsd-qestions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: danny@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: low level tcp filter Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear all i'm trying to setup a simpleIRCD for an abuse recovery group i ask mis there a way to enable filters at some leel where words can be removed or masked before they as they go in or out of the process or atleast masked somewhat... ie PRIVMSG #chat :hi thereblah1 would appear to all other clients as PRIVMSG #chat :hi there ---1 ok i know the syntax isnt EXTACT but you get the idea.. there would be a list of words that would need to be filtered... anyone have any ideas on how this can be done? thanks eremy SOmmer, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 21:47:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16756 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:47:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16750 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01054; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805040447.VAA01054@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Alex cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 21:17:22 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 21:47:11 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the meantime, you can download blender from their ftp and not from "USA: FTP, Sponsored by FreeBSD". Amancio > On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > And available in: > > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE/commerce/3D/ > > > > Please see the web page at http://www.neogeo.nl for more information > > on the Blender system. This is an extremely powerful 3D design > > package and you WILL need to read the various tutorial documents and > > try their examples before you've any hope of using it effectively. :-) > > Their web page BTW, has the URL wrong. It points to the non-existant dir: > /pub/FreeBSD/2.2.x-stuff > > - alex > > "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern > technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 22:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20374 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 22:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20236 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 22:07:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA06037; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:37:37 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980504143736.L4777@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:37:36 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: John-Mark Gurney , Robert Watson Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Context switch time References: <19980425034313.55993@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980425034313.55993@hydrogen.nike.efn.org>; from John-Mark Gurney on Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 03:43:13AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 25 April 1998 at 3:43:13 -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Robert Watson scribbled this message on Apr 25: >> I was wondering what the average context switch time across a syscall >> invocation is, also, how long it takes to switch in a different process. >> Presumably just on a Pentium 100ish processor. Is this data I can >> retrieve from the kernel profiler? mi_switch and tsleep both appear in >> the profiling data, but it is not clear to me that this includes the time >> for the switch to kernel context, etc. > > one thing you might try is to run something like a process that just > does a yield syscall (-current box) repeatedly... I was getting about > 111k syscalls/sec from a program on my k6/225... (systat couldn't display > numbers greater than 5 sig figs, so I had to use vmstat :) ) Strange. This is what I get from a program that repeatedly calls getpid() on my K6/233: procs memory page faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr w0 in sy cs us sy id 2 0 0 3770984 4632 7 0 0 0 8 34 1 302 429 73 4 2 94 1 0 0 3770992 4372 56 1 2 0 11 0 0 307 719494 35 34 66 0 1 0 0 3771688 4220 134 4 3 12 22 2372 6 375 687120 67 34 66 0 1 0 0 3769920 4784 132 16 0 13 119 4308 12 500 659404 93 33 67 0 1 0 0 3762592 4944 103 8 0 0 118 0 4 466 684348 71 40 60 0 1 0 0 3761616 5520 97 0 0 0 156 0 0 324 694288 66 40 60 0 1 0 0 3761616 5520 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 235 712159 24 36 64 0 1 0 0 3761616 5520 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 235 730958 26 31 69 0 1 0 0 3750512 5780 9 0 0 0 36 0 0 256 729640 27 39 61 0 1 0 0 3749768 6024 9 2 0 0 36 0 0 266 729086 28 38 62 0 2 0 0 3746464 6304 9 0 0 0 38 0 0 256 727910 24 33 67 0 1 0 0 3746464 6304 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 236 729221 25 34 66 0 1 0 0 3746464 6304 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 232 731855 25 36 64 0 1 0 0 3746740 6304 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 233 731497 27 34 66 0 1 0 0 3748076 6304 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 264 723896 82 36 64 0 1 0 0 3748648 6300 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 267 725709 75 37 63 0 1 0 0 3757944 4352 320 42 14 8 14 2210 17 256 434830 241 48 52 0 1 0 0 3759064 4352 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 279 706062 208 36 64 0 As you can see from the second-to-last line (where I started this message), the system is doing other things too, so I suspect the correct idle value would be round 730,000 syscalls per second. This suggests that yield() is doing quite a bit of processing itself. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 22:23:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23134 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 22:23:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from d183-205.uoregon.edu (d183-205.uoregon.edu [128.223.183.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23129 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 22:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by d183-205.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA09422; Sun, 3 May 1998 22:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980503222303.36966@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 22:23:03 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Greg Lehey Cc: Robert Watson , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Context switch time References: <19980425034313.55993@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19980504143736.L4777@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <19980504143736.L4777@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 02:37:36PM +0930 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey scribbled this message on May 4: > On Sat, 25 April 1998 at 3:43:13 -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > Robert Watson scribbled this message on Apr 25: > >> I was wondering what the average context switch time across a syscall > >> invocation is, also, how long it takes to switch in a different process. > >> Presumably just on a Pentium 100ish processor. Is this data I can > >> retrieve from the kernel profiler? mi_switch and tsleep both appear in > >> the profiling data, but it is not clear to me that this includes the time > >> for the switch to kernel context, etc. > > > > one thing you might try is to run something like a process that just > > does a yield syscall (-current box) repeatedly... I was getting about > > 111k syscalls/sec from a program on my k6/225... (systat couldn't display > > numbers greater than 5 sig figs, so I had to use vmstat :) ) > > Strange. This is what I get from a program that repeatedly calls > getpid() on my K6/233: > > procs memory page faults cpu > r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr w0 in sy cs us sy id [...] did this on my machine (k6/225 w/ 75mhz bus) and I got similar numbers.. I was consitantly getting 700k+ syscalls... > As you can see from the second-to-last line (where I started this > message), the system is doing other things too, so I suspect the > correct idle value would be round 730,000 syscalls per second. This > suggests that yield() is doing quite a bit of processing itself. not sure why it would be that expensive.. I didn't look at the function to re-add the process to the run queue, but considering that it only takes ~7 times as long to return a value than to actually do some data manipulation, that isn't to bad... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 22:37:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24578 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 22:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24573 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 22:37:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18066; Sun, 3 May 1998 22:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd018061; Mon May 4 05:28:59 1998 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 22:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: C-BASIC anyone? (only oldies need apply :-) In-Reply-To: <199805040208.KAA04951@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG pcode? it translates the source into C. On Mon, 4 May 1998, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: > > Hmm. Does it translate the source, and do you have something that'll handle > the runtime pcode? > > > Stephen > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 23:18:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29553 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:18:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA29548 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:18:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWE9a-0004Mm-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 22:51:06 -0700 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 22:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Benjamin Greenwald cc: "David E. Cross" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199805040259.WAA10604@miris.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 May 1998, Benjamin Greenwald wrote: > > On Sun, 3 May 1998, David E. Cross wrote: > > > > > similar to (sorry I I did not write it down): "ping: no network buffers > > > available", any telnet requet, etc would just hang indefinititely, the > > > > Not enough mbufs. Increase MAXUSERS or NMBCLUSTERS > > > > Beware, dump/restore is also broken for large filesystems. I personally > > think that dump/restore should be dropped from FreeBSD. > > > > Tom > > It's been fairly well proven that dump/restore is by far the most accurate way > of backing up one's filesystems. Really? Since dump/restore requires direct knowledge of filesystem internals, it should probably be dropped for being a gross layering violation alone. Assuming it can even capture a consistant view of an active filesystem (I doubt it myself). dump/restore's idea of raw filesystem access was a mistake. > Dropping dump/restore would not only put a huge number of users in the lurch, > but it would be eliminating the best tool for the job. I'm not familiar with > the problems in dump/restore, but it seems to make a lot more sense to me to > fix them rather than force everyone to change over to an inferior solution. But dump/restore has been broken forever. I hope that you don't have any 4+GB filesystems that you are dumping, because you will get a nasty surprise trying to restore it. > Do you have a suggestion as to what we'd replace dump/restore with? (And > PLEASE don't say "tar -g" ... *shiver*) What is everyone with large production systems using now? I know it it isn't dump/restore. tar at least works, but incremental support is weak. pax is ok, but you need to supply the right params yourself for incremental support. Or you could just break down and buy BRU. > Ben Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 3 23:23:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00402 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00370 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:23:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA06288; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:52:42 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980504155242.P4777@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:52:42 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Joerg Micheel , John-Mark Gurney Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Context switch time References: <19980425034313.55993@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19980504143736.L4777@freebie.lemis.com> <19980503222303.36966@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19980504140442.52763@krdl.org.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980504140442.52763@krdl.org.sg>; from Joerg Micheel on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 02:04:42PM +0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 May 1998 at 14:04:42 +0800, Joerg Micheel wrote: > On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 10:23:03PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: >> Greg Lehey scribbled this message on May 4: >>> On Sat, 25 April 1998 at 3:43:13 -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: >>> >>> Strange. This is what I get from a program that repeatedly calls >>> getpid() on my K6/233: >>> >>> procs memory page faults cpu >>> r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr w0 in sy cs us sy id > > P5/200: > > procs memory page disks faults cpu > r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr s0 s1 in sy cs us sy id > 2 0 03774864 4500 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 235 726164 25 31 69 0 > 1 0 03776128 4472 4 1 2 0 0 0 0 11 362 698099 230 36 64 0 > (etc) > > These numbers might not that much depend on processor type/speed. What > about memory/cache speed ? Chipset ? Comments ? I think they have quite a strong relationship with processor power. Here's a 486/66: 1 0 0 10344 3720 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 231 116903 16 23 77 0 1 0 0 10016 3720 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 231 116357 18 23 77 0 A P5/75 with no L2 cache: 1 0 0 8752 6172 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 230 180921 16 17 83 0 1 0 0 8752 6172 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 230 181869 16 18 82 0 A P5/133: 1 0 0 12584 9012 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 260 482656 19 22 78 0 1 0 0 13076 9012 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 264 483160 23 27 73 0 In particular, the P5/133 and your P5/200 seem to handle about 3500 syscalls/MHz. The P5/75 is presumably slower because of the missing cache, and I've noticed before that the K6 isn't as much faster at this sort of thing as I would expect--suggestions for the reasons are welcome. One could be that it's an Inten TX board with 96 MB, of which only 64 MB are cached, but it seems to match up with John-Mark's observations. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 00:27:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07510 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nighthawk.iti.gov.sg (nighthawk.iti.gov.sg [192.122.131.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA07494 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joerg@krdl.org.sg) Received: (from mailer@localhost) by nighthawk.iti.gov.sg (8.6.11/8.6.11) id PAA02562; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:37:29 +0800 Received: from mailhub.iti.gov.sg(192.122.132.132) by nighthawk.iti.gov.sg via smap (V1.3) id sma002557; Mon May 4 15:37:16 1998 Received: (from joerg@localhost) by iti.gov.sg (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA25713; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:20:57 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: <19980504152056.47011@krdl.org.sg> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:20:56 +0800 From: Joerg Micheel To: Greg Lehey Cc: John-Mark Gurney , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Context switch time References: <19980425034313.55993@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19980504143736.L4777@freebie.lemis.com> <19980503222303.36966@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19980504140442.52763@krdl.org.sg> <19980504155242.P4777@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980504155242.P4777@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:52:42PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg, maybe, we should exchange our test programs :-). On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:52:42PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 1998 at 14:04:42 +0800, Joerg Micheel wrote: > > On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 10:23:03PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > >> Greg Lehey scribbled this message on May 4: > >>> On Sat, 25 April 1998 at 3:43:13 -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > >>> > >>> Strange. This is what I get from a program that repeatedly calls > >>> getpid() on my K6/233: > > > > These numbers might not that much depend on processor type/speed. What > > about memory/cache speed ? Chipset ? Comments ? > > I think they have quite a strong relationship with processor power. > In particular, the P5/133 and your P5/200 seem to handle about 3500 > syscalls/MHz. The P5/75 is presumably slower because of the missing > cache, and I've noticed before that the K6 isn't as much faster at > this sort of thing as I would expect--suggestions for the reasons are > welcome. One could be that it's an Inten TX board with 96 MB, of > which only 64 MB are cached, but it seems to match up with John-Mark's > observations. Here is the Dell OptiPlex GXa, a 300 MHz PentiumPro: CPU: Pentium Pro (298.00-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x634 Stepping=4 Features=0x80f9ff,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV> real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 62709760 (61240K bytes) procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr s0 c0 in sy cs us sy id 1 0 0 3632 15368 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 260 802901 19 36 64 0 1 0 0 3632 15368 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 235 730504 14 41 59 0 1 0 0 3632 15368 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 235 730576 14 33 67 0 1 0 0 3632 15368 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 237 730535 15 39 61 0 1 0 0 3992 15368 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 238 730391 16 41 59 0 1 0 0 3992 15368 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 238 730400 14 36 64 0 1 0 0 3992 15368 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 729675 14 42 58 0 This trace was taken remotely by rlogin. I tried the same again by redirecting stdout to a file on /tmp: procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr s0 c0 in sy cs us sy id 1 0 0 4244 15360 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 234 694430 12 33 67 0 1 0 0 4244 15360 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 234 695129 12 41 59 0 1 0 0 4244 15360 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 235 695109 12 45 55 0 1 0 0 4244 15360 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 232 695202 12 30 70 0 1 0 0 4244 15360 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 234 695150 12 41 59 0 1 0 0 4244 15360 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 231 698924 13 43 57 0 So - I wrote a program to get rid of IO dependencies and process interference. Here is the result for: P5/200: 1391351 usecs/1000000 calls, 718725 calls/sec 1390469 usecs/1000000 calls, 719181 calls/sec 1390228 usecs/1000000 calls, 719306 calls/sec 1390017 usecs/1000000 calls, 719415 calls/sec 1390116 usecs/1000000 calls, 719364 calls/sec 1411161 usecs/1000000 calls, 708636 calls/sec 1390442 usecs/1000000 calls, 719195 calls/sec 1397887 usecs/1000000 calls, 715365 calls/sec 1468439 usecs/1000000 calls, 680995 calls/sec 1397388 usecs/1000000 calls, 715620 calls/sec PP6/300: 1378083 usecs/1000000 calls, 725645 calls/sec 1375760 usecs/1000000 calls, 726870 calls/sec 1582910 usecs/1000000 calls, 631747 calls/sec 1375810 usecs/1000000 calls, 726844 calls/sec 1375916 usecs/1000000 calls, 726788 calls/sec 1375900 usecs/1000000 calls, 726797 calls/sec 1375866 usecs/1000000 calls, 726814 calls/sec 1375858 usecs/1000000 calls, 726819 calls/sec 1375785 usecs/1000000 calls, 726857 calls/sec 1375755 usecs/1000000 calls, 726873 calls/sec You seem to be right in some way, but the result does not directly suggest that there is a 1:1 relationship with processor speed, at least not on the high-end machines. The performance gain on the 300 MHz machine is VERY slight (around 1%). Unfortunately, I currently don't have any slower machines around. I might try on my 133MHz Pentium at home tonight. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: SingAREN Technology Center Phone: +65 7705577 Kent Ridge Digital Labs Fax: +65 7795966 11 Science Park Road Pager: +65 96016020 Singapore Science Park II Plan: Troubleshooting ATM 117685 Singapore Networks and Applications To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 00:42:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09347 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:42:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09342 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:42:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA06760; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:10:54 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980504171054.X4777@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:10:54 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Joerg Micheel Cc: John-Mark Gurney , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Context switch time References: <19980425034313.55993@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19980504143736.L4777@freebie.lemis.com> <19980503222303.36966@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19980504140442.52763@krdl.org.sg> <19980504155242.P4777@freebie.lemis.com> <19980504152056.47011@krdl.org.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980504152056.47011@krdl.org.sg>; from Joerg Micheel on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:20:56PM +0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 May 1998 at 15:20:56 +0800, Joerg Micheel wrote: > Greg, > > maybe, we should exchange our test programs :-). #include #include main (int argc, char *argv []) { int i; int count = 1; if (argc > 1) count = atoi (argv [1]); for (i = 0; i < count; i++) getuid (); } Hmm, interesting, it's called getpid.c, but it calls getuid :-) > On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:52:42PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Mon, 4 May 1998 at 14:04:42 +0800, Joerg Micheel wrote: >>> On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 10:23:03PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: >>>> Greg Lehey scribbled this message on May 4: >>>>> On Sat, 25 April 1998 at 3:43:13 -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Strange. This is what I get from a program that repeatedly calls >>>>> getpid() on my K6/233: >>> >>> These numbers might not that much depend on processor type/speed. What >>> about memory/cache speed ? Chipset ? Comments ? >> >> I think they have quite a strong relationship with processor power. > >> In particular, the P5/133 and your P5/200 seem to handle about 3500 >> syscalls/MHz. The P5/75 is presumably slower because of the missing >> cache, and I've noticed before that the K6 isn't as much faster at >> this sort of thing as I would expect--suggestions for the reasons are >> welcome. One could be that it's an Inten TX board with 96 MB, of >> which only 64 MB are cached, but it seems to match up with John-Mark's >> observations. > > Here is the Dell OptiPlex GXa, a 300 MHz PentiumPro: > > (results omitted) > 1375755 usecs/1000000 calls, 726873 calls/sec > > You seem to be right in some way, but the result does not directly suggest that > there is a 1:1 relationship with processor speed, at least not on the high-end machines. > The performance gain on the 300 MHz machine is VERY slight (around 1%). > > Unfortunately, I currently don't have any slower machines around. I might > try on my 133MHz Pentium at home tonight. Hmmm. This suggests to me that we're hitting some other limit. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 00:58:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10901 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:58:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nighthawk.iti.gov.sg (nighthawk.iti.gov.sg [192.122.131.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA10892 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joerg@krdl.org.sg) Received: (from mailer@localhost) by nighthawk.iti.gov.sg (8.6.11/8.6.11) id QAA02877; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:08:07 +0800 Received: from mailhub.iti.gov.sg(192.122.132.132) by nighthawk.iti.gov.sg via smap (V1.3) id sma002872; Mon May 4 16:07:42 1998 Received: (from joerg@localhost) by iti.gov.sg (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA27007; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:51:23 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: <19980504155123.20764@krdl.org.sg> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:51:23 +0800 From: Joerg Micheel To: Greg Lehey Cc: John-Mark Gurney , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Context switch time References: <19980425034313.55993@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19980504143736.L4777@freebie.lemis.com> <19980503222303.36966@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19980504140442.52763@krdl.org.sg> <19980504155242.P4777@freebie.lemis.com> <19980504152056.47011@krdl.org.sg> <19980504171054.X4777@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980504171054.X4777@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 05:10:54PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 05:10:54PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 1998 at 15:20:56 +0800, Joerg Micheel wrote: > > Hmm, interesting, it's called getpid.c, but it calls getuid :-) Ha! That's the bottleneck! :-)))). Ok. Just for completeness sake: The initial test program obviously was: # include void main() { for(;;) (void)getpid(); } which has been converted to: # include # include # include void main() { int loop = 1000000; long long total; /* in usecs */ while(loop--) { gettimeofday(&start, NULL); while(loop--) (void)getpid(); gettimeofday(&stop, NULL); } total = ((long long)stop.tv_sec * 1000000 + (long long)stop.tv_usec) - ((long long)start.tv_sec * 1000000 + (long long)start.tv_usec); printf("%qd\n", total); } I just put another loop around it and computed the calls/sec in the latest version. > Hmmm. This suggests to me that we're hitting some other limit. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: SingAREN Technology Center Phone: +65 7705577 Kent Ridge Digital Labs Fax: +65 7795966 11 Science Park Road Pager: +65 96016020 Singapore Science Park II Plan: Troubleshooting ATM 117685 Singapore Networks and Applications To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 02:07:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17661 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:07:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17656 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:07:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03206 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:07:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <354D8551.D1D229AF@tdx.co.uk> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:07:29 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: re: dump/restore - broken? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom wrote: > Beware, dump/restore is also broken for large filesystems. I personally > think that dump/restore should be dropped from FreeBSD. > > Tom Eeek! - Please don't tell me that! - I use dump and restore to backup 3 x 9Gig filesystems on a monthly basis, and my own machines 12+Gb on a weekly backup... Whats wrong with dump/restore? - I remember reading an article a while ago (either somewhere on the freebsd.org site - or linked from their) discussing the various backup methods (Tar, Amanda, Dump etc.) - saying that Dump comes out on top for 'out the box' functionality, and ability to cope with 'open/updated' files during the backup etc? We use it here because it's quick enough for what we want to do, you can install a FreeBSD system - and it's installed by default, and it 'appears' to work... (I say 'appears' as now your saying it's broke!?) Regards Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 02:18:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18905 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:18:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beast.gu.net (beast-fxp0.gu.net [194.93.191.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18898 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:18:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stesin@gu.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beast.gu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07448; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:18:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from stesin@gu.net) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:18:35 +0300 (EEST) From: Andrew Stesin Reply-To: stesin@gu.net To: Julian Elischer cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: C-BASIC anyone? (only oldies need apply :-) In-Reply-To: <354AECCC.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Huh, I know a man who *has* some good old BASIC programs (mostly math) and will be happy to get them up on UNIX (FreeBSD in particular); I'll convince him to make an attempt. I'm not sure which BASIC dialect he used, though; but I feel the smell of CP/M and 8080 there. On Sat, 2 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > It's CBASIC (yes CP/M's C-BASIC) to UNIC/C translater. > It ran in production for years. I've decided to get it > up on FreeBSD.. (now that the original owners have sold the business > and written off the software. :-) > > you can find the first port attempt at: > http://www.freebsd.org/~julian Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 02:19:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18930 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18925 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04226; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:17:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Tom cc: Benjamin Greenwald , "David E. Cross" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 22:51:01 PDT." Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 02:17:29 -0700 Message-ID: <4222.894273449@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Don't worry, the day dump/restore is dropped from FreeBSD is the day that hell freezes over. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 02:23:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19633 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sun-test.hightek.com ([194.74.141.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19615 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm2.hightek.com) Received: from klemm2.hightek.com ([195.90.203.76]) by sun-test.hightek.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA26410; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:22:25 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm2.hightek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20790; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:22:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980504112223.47105@hightek.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:22:23 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Tom , Benjamin Greenwald Cc: "David E. Cross" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE References: <199805040259.WAA10604@miris.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Tom on Sun, May 03, 1998 at 10:51:01PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 10:51:01PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > Do you have a suggestion as to what we'd replace dump/restore with? (And > > PLEASE don't say "tar -g" ... *shiver*) star looks smart. See my port in the ports collection. The author has been offered the maintenance of GNU tar by someone some time ago he told me. But he didn't like the code. His own product is in his production environment for a long time and has been profiled excessively. It's even faster than dump, if you add dump's working time of looking, what to dump to the transfer time ... -- B&K Gruppe - Wuppertal phone +49 202 7399 - 170 fax +49 202 7399 - 100 http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 02:37:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21226 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:37:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21214; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dateck@ludd.luth.se) Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (dateck@father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20390; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:37:42 +0200 From: Tomas Klockar Received: (dateck@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id LAA13652; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:37:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199805040937.LAA13652@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: ATAPI CDROM question To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:37:39 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: rmooney@iss.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804200613.IAA01004@sos.freebsd.dk> from =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= at "Apr 20, 98 08:13:29 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do anyone happen to have some documentation on the ATAPI data that is sent to the cdrom drive. The cdrom close call does not work completely. (ie ioctl(fh,CDIOCCLOSE)) But I know that my cd is capable of closing. I had a dos program that could do this. I checked with some friends and it seemed that the only drive that cdcontrol managed to close was a GOLDSTAR 4x. My Mitsumi "FX001DE/G06" did not. (4x) Aopen "CD-ROM 24X/AKOx15/B" did not. (24x) Please tell me if someone are looking into this problem. You can also tell me if you can close your drive. Best regards, /Tomas -- Tomas Klockar can be found at the following adresses: Kårhusvägen 4:23 | Furuvägen 102 | dateck@ludd.luth.se 977 54 Luleå | 871 52 Härnösand | dateck@solace.mh.se Tel: +46-920-231335 | Tel: +46-611-13393 | d94-tkl@sm.luth.se Mob: +46-70-664 33 26 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 03:07:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25151 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25146 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:07:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA24025; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd024023; Mon May 4 10:01:41 1998 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 02:56:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Andrew Stesin cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: C-BASIC anyone? (only oldies need apply :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG wow a real user! :-) On Mon, 4 May 1998, Andrew Stesin wrote: > > Huh, I know a man who *has* some good old BASIC programs (mostly math) > and will be happy to get them up on UNIX (FreeBSD in particular); > I'll convince him to make > an attempt. I'm not sure which BASIC dialect he used, though; > but I feel the smell of CP/M and 8080 there. > > On Sat, 2 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > It's CBASIC (yes CP/M's C-BASIC) to UNIC/C translater. > > It ran in production for years. I've decided to get it > > up on FreeBSD.. (now that the original owners have sold the business > > and written off the software. :-) > > > > you can find the first port attempt at: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~julian > > Best regards, > Andrew Stesin > > nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 03:09:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25589 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:09:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA25558; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:09:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 2023 on Mon, 4 May 1998 10:09:09 GMT; id KAA02023 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14164; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:07:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199805041007.MAA14164@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Amancio Hasty cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: hasty's message of Sun, 03 May 1998 17:55:41 -0700. <199805040055.RAA04394@rah.star-gate.com> Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:07:47 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If you ever wonder why linux is getting ahead , cold or no response > to key strategic technologies such as what "blender" represents is > one of the reasons that linux is getting ahead of FreeBSD . We > have a FreeBSD friendly vendor let us no lose this relationship. > > Amancio > Hi, I'm responsible for advising NeoGeo about the Linux and FreeBSD versions. I would like to take this opportunity to react to Amancio's remarks. To date I haven't received one single bug report and only very little feedback from the FreeBSD users. Despite the fact that I prefer FreeBSD over Linux any day, you are not making yourselves credible as a commercial market, or even a fun market, enthusiasm is a powerful motivator! Regards, Marc van Kempen. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 03:14:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26450 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:14:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA26438 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 2448 on Mon, 4 May 1998 10:14:06 GMT; id KAA02448 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14201; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:12:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199805041012.MAA14201@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Alex cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: garbanzo's message of Sun, 03 May 1998 21:17:22 -0700. Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:12:25 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > And available in: > > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE/commerce/3D/ > > > > Please see the web page at http://www.neogeo.nl for more information > > on the Blender system. This is an extremely powerful 3D design > > package and you WILL need to read the various tutorial documents and > > try their examples before you've any hope of using it effectively. :-) > > Their web page BTW, has the URL wrong. It points to the non-existant dir: > /pub/FreeBSD/2.2.x-stuff > I don't believe you guys, when I tested it, it existed it must have been removed, but why doesn't anyone tell us! Don't you want other FreeBSD'ers to download it? Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 03:21:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27265 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA27239 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA01362; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:26:33 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from kuku) Message-ID: <19980504122632.04711@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:26:32 +0200 From: Christoph Kukulies To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: closed reports reading References: <199804261104.NAA10393@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199804261104.NAA10393@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE>; from Christoph Kukulies on Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 01:04:52PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 01:04:52PM +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > I had two gnats reports filed in in the past which seem to be gone > and it escaped me under which comments they have been closed. > > Looking into the GNATS database on www.freebsd.org doesn't show them > to me even when I check "Closed reports too". > > How can I trace back the history of these reports? Just to answer to myself: I was using the KDE http browser which obviously doesn't behave right when visiting FreeBSD's GNATS DB search page. Using 'normal' netscape again showed the reports (as still open btw) but maybe they will fall victim to Poul-Hennings chainsaw soon :-) > > -- > Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 03:35:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29047 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29041 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04578; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: marc@bowtie.nl cc: Alex , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 May 1998 12:12:25 +0200." <199805041012.MAA14201@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 03:35:16 -0700 Message-ID: <4574.894278116@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Their web page BTW, has the URL wrong. It points to the non-existant dir: > > /pub/FreeBSD/2.2.x-stuff > > > > I don't believe you guys, when I tested it, it existed it must have > been removed, but why doesn't anyone tell us! Don't you want other > FreeBSD'ers to download it? Sorry, I didn't even know that somebody was referencing it incorrectly through the 2.2.x-stuff link. The correct and canonical way to reference commercial stuff (if you check my past postings on the subject) has always been to point at it through the 2.2.x-RELEASE/commerce path, exactly as I deliberately and specifically announced it in my own posting, since that could be a symlink or a real directory depending on how it and the other "extra bits" (like xperimnt) are arranged on the FTP site. Please change the link and, as a general rule, don't ever point to anything that's not specifically mentioned in the top level index.html file under pub/FreeBSD since you're likely doing the wrong thing in pointing at some purely administrative directory when you should be following a symlink. BTW, while I have your ear, I think it's time to relink blender with a later JPEG library. It doesn't change that often these days, but it seems to have taken a recent bump to 8.0. :( - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 03:56:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02190 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:56:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nighthawk.iti.gov.sg (nighthawk.iti.gov.sg [192.122.131.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA02167 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joerg@krdl.org.sg) Received: (from mailer@localhost) by nighthawk.iti.gov.sg (8.6.11/8.6.11) id TAA04161; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:07:05 +0800 Received: from mailhub.iti.gov.sg(192.122.132.132) by nighthawk.iti.gov.sg via smap (V1.3) id sma004157; Mon May 4 19:06:45 1998 Received: (from joerg@localhost) by iti.gov.sg (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA02784; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:50:25 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: <19980504185025.18575@krdl.org.sg> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:50:25 +0800 From: Joerg Micheel To: Karl Pielorz Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Context switch time References: <19980425034313.55993@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19980504143736.L4777@freebie.lemis.com> <19980503222303.36966@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19980504140442.52763@krdl.org.sg> <19980504155242.P4777@freebie.lemis.com> <19980504152056.47011@krdl.org.sg> <354D8638.C7BE526@tdx.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <354D8638.C7BE526@tdx.co.uk>; from Karl Pielorz on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 10:11:20AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 10:11:20AM +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Joerg Micheel wrote: > > > Here is the Dell OptiPlex GXa, a 300 MHz PentiumPro: > > > > CPU: Pentium Pro (298.00-MHz 686-class CPU) > > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x634 Stepping=4 > > Features=0x80f9ff,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV> > > real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) > > avail memory = 62709760 (61240K bytes) > > Do you mean Pentium Pro? - or Pentium-II? - If it's a P2 remember the cache > memory on the CPU runs at half the bus speed, which may explain: Karl, thanks for pointing this out. I checked the manual, you are right. The OptiPlex is in fact a PentiumII machine, which is reported as a Pentium Pro by FreeBSD 2.2.5. Thanks. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: SingAREN Technology Center Phone: +65 7705577 Kent Ridge Digital Labs Fax: +65 7795966 11 Science Park Road Pager: +65 96016020 Singapore Science Park II Plan: Troubleshooting ATM 117685 Singapore Networks and Applications To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 04:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08221 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newport-1-13.quick.net (josh@newport-1-13.quick.net [207.212.160.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA08185 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:20:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh@newport-1-13.quick.net) Received: (from josh@localhost) by newport-1-13.quick.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12725; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:20:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh) Message-ID: <19980504042034.B11688@newport-1-13.quick.net> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 04:20:34 -0700 From: Josh Gilliam To: Julian Elischer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: C-BASIC anyone? (only oldies need apply :-) References: <354AECCC.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.4 In-Reply-To: <354AECCC.41C67EA6@whistle.com> X-Editor: nvi 1.79 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 X-IRC: soil Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have resurected an old project of mine that I did in 1988. > (they payed me) > > It's CBASIC (yes CP/M's C-BASIC) to UNIC/C translater. > It ran in production for years. I've decided to get it > up on FreeBSD.. (now that the original owners have sold the business > and written off the software. :-) There is a QuickBASIC to C translator at ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/devel/lang/basic/qb2c.tgz It isn't very useful but has Berkeley-style licensing. -- Josh Gilliam 5333 E Los Arboles Ave 1 714 633 6499 Orange CA 92869-4216 USA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 04:34:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10832 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA10821 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:34:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 11139 on Mon, 4 May 1998 11:34:09 GMT; id LAA11139 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14828 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:32:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199805041132.NAA14828@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: jkh's message of Mon, 04 May 1998 03:35:16 -0700. <4574.894278116@time.cdrom.com> Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:32:12 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Their web page BTW, has the URL wrong. It points to the non-existant dir: > > > /pub/FreeBSD/2.2.x-stuff > > > > > > > I don't believe you guys, when I tested it, it existed it must have > > been removed, but why doesn't anyone tell us! Don't you want other > > FreeBSD'ers to download it? > > Sorry, I didn't even know that somebody was referencing it incorrectly I didn't mean to refer to you or whomever maintains the directory structure for FreeBSD, but to the guys that tried to download blender and found the link broken! > through the 2.2.x-stuff link. The correct and canonical way to > reference commercial stuff (if you check my past postings on the > subject) has always been to point at it through the > 2.2.x-RELEASE/commerce path, exactly as I deliberately and > specifically announced it in my own posting, since that could be a > symlink or a real directory depending on how it and the other "extra > bits" (like xperimnt) are arranged on the FTP site. Please change the > link and, as a general rule, don't ever point to anything that's not > specifically mentioned in the top level index.html file under > pub/FreeBSD since you're likely doing the wrong thing in pointing at > some purely administrative directory when you should be following a > symlink. > I stand corrected. > BTW, while I have your ear, I think it's time to relink blender with a > later JPEG library. It doesn't change that often these days, but it > seems to have taken a recent bump to 8.0. :( > Is it so for FreeBSD 2.2.6? That's the platform that we're targetting. Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 04:46:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12006 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:46:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schubert.Promo.DE (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11998 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from d254.promo.de (d254.Promo.DE [194.45.188.254]) by schubert.Promo.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03802; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:40:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:41:50 +0200 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: "Chuck Robey" cc: "Nicolas Souchu" , "FreeBSD Hackers" Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? Message-ID: <784658.3103278110@d254.promo.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a3, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --On Son, 3. Mai 1998 13:17 Uhr -0400 "Chuck Robey" wrote: >> o Does the sound-PnP stuff support such things? > > I'm not a device driver author, but I do know that FreeBSD makes _no_ > use whatsoever of the bios. It relies in no way whatsoever on anything > in the bios that a device might have added. Currently (as Luigi alread said), the ISA-PnP code does rely on the BIOS to initialize the cards. Also, for PCI, FreeBSD relies on the BIOS32 interface for card configuration. Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 04:49:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12605 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schubert.Promo.DE (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA12600 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from d254.promo.de (d254.Promo.DE [194.45.188.254]) by schubert.Promo.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03820; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:46:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:48:23 +0200 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: "Luigi Rizzo" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? Message-ID: <808310.3103278503@d254.promo.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a3, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've just bought an ISA-PnP soundcard, but my old Asus 486SP3G BIOS' doesn't have any PnP support. I've searched the archives, but only found one thread that wasn't really enlightning to me. (And upgrading the BIOS is no option: I had to replace the FlashROM with EPROMS.) Can someone give me a quick direction what would be necessary to not only query the devices in the PnP code, but also to configure them? Generally, I think this is a good idea: more and more cards are available as PnP only, and I'd definitly want to be able to plug that NE2000-PnP-clone in old 386/25 for that little router or something... Thanks, Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 05:11:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15502 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from our.domaintje.com (our.domaintje.com [194.178.252.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15471 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:11:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@our.domaintje.com) Received: from frank@localhost by our.domaintje.com id <7789-181>; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:11:10 +0200 Message-ID: <19980504141109.A11956@domaintje.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:11:09 +0200 From: Frank Ederveen To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , marc@bowtie.nl Cc: Alex , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. References: <199805041012.MAA14201@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> <4574.894278116@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <4574.894278116@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:35:16AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:35:16AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > BTW, while I have your ear, I think it's time to relink blender with a > later JPEG library. It doesn't change that often these days, but it > seems to have taken a recent bump to 8.0. :( And how about compiling Blender with egcs and making some pentium code? I've seen speed-ups of about 30% over 'normal' code... Regards, FrankE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 05:24:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18144 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:24:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from watermarkgroup.com (lor.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA18139 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:24:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luoqi@watermarkgroup.com) Received: by watermarkgroup.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13818; Mon, 4 May 98 08:23:44 EDT Date: Mon, 4 May 98 08:23:44 EDT From: luoqi@watermarkgroup.com (Luoqi Chen) Message-Id: <9805041223.AA13818@watermarkgroup.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: bin/6509: patch allows dd to skip/seek beyond 2G limit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just submitted a PR (bin/6509) modifies dd to use 64bit offset. With most of disks sold today larger than 2G, I hope some of you will find the 64bit dd handy if you want to reach the bottom half of your hard disk. -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 05:24:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18238 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:24:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA18191 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 16098 on Mon, 4 May 1998 12:24:06 GMT; id MAA16098 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16143; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:21:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199805041221.OAA16143@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Frank Ederveen cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , marc@bowtie.nl, Alex , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: frank's message of Mon, 04 May 1998 14:11:09 +0200. <19980504141109.A11956@domaintje.com> Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 14:21:31 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:35:16AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > BTW, while I have your ear, I think it's time to relink blender with a > > later JPEG library. It doesn't change that often these days, but it > > seems to have taken a recent bump to 8.0. :( > > And how about compiling Blender with egcs and making some pentium code? I've > seen speed-ups of about 30% over 'normal' code... > That is definitely worth considering, but we first need to get out of the Beta phase. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 05:48:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21680 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:48:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from k7.repins.com.au (slsyd3p22.ozemail.com.au [203.7.189.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA21630; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:48:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nickr@repins.com.au) Received: from arusha.nb.repins.com.au (arusha.nb.repins.com.au [203.27.118.66]) by k7.repins.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00297; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:31:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from nickr@repins.com.au) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:46:23 +1000 (EST) From: Nick Repin X-Sender: nickr@arusha.nb.repins.com.au To: Marc van Kempen cc: Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <199805041007.MAA14164@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 May 1998, Marc van Kempen wrote: > > If you ever wonder why linux is getting ahead , cold or no response > > to key strategic technologies such as what "blender" represents is > > one of the reasons that linux is getting ahead of FreeBSD . We > > have a FreeBSD friendly vendor let us no lose this relationship. > > > > Amancio > > > > Hi, > > I'm responsible for advising NeoGeo about the Linux and FreeBSD > versions. I would like to take this opportunity to react to > Amancio's remarks. > > To date I haven't received one single bug report and only very > little feedback from the FreeBSD users. > > Despite the fact that I prefer FreeBSD over Linux any day, you > are not making yourselves credible as a commercial market, or > even a fun market, enthusiasm is a powerful motivator! > > Regards, > Marc van Kempen. > I've had blender 3 days. It core dumps reliably with a segmentation fault on my 2.2.5 system. I have not yet had time to pursue it further. I hate to report it without trying out a few things but there is a bug report for what it's worth. I am very excited about this package and appreciate the effort it has taken to bring it to FreeBSD. Best regards, Nick Repin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 06:24:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26641 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:24:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26634 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id PAA11664; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:24:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:24:35 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Cc: "David E. Cross" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 04 May 1998 15:24:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: Tom's message of "Sun, 3 May 1998 18:12:27 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom writes: > Not enough mbufs. Increase MAXUSERS or NMBCLUSTERS Does anybody have a thumb rule for the amount of mbuf clusters needed? I occasionally have problems on my 2.2.6 boxes (one of them plays MP3 files over NFS from the other; if I play large files, the NFS server gets stuck and ping on the server box reports "no buffer space". ifconfig'ing the interface down and up again fixes the problem. /var/log/messages on the server shows tons of "nfsd: send error 55" OSLT.) -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 06:27:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27109 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:27:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27095; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:27:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id PAA12027; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:27:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:27:01 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: System Admin Cc: freebsd-qestions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, danny@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: low level tcp filter References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 04 May 1998 15:26:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: System Admin's message of "Mon, 4 May 1998 14:41:46 +1000 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG System Admin writes: > i ask mis there a way to enable filters at some leel where words can be > removed or masked before they as they go in or out of the process > or atleast masked somewhat... If you *really* don't want to / have the possibility to patch the IRC server to do that, you'll have to write a proxy. There's no way to do this at any level below the application layer (to the best of my knowledge). -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 06:31:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27719 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mooseriver.com (dynamic31.pm01.sf3d.best.com [209.24.234.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27709 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:30:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id GAA02687; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980504063053.64112@mooseriver.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 06:30:53 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.0-Current build broken Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 3.0-Current build is broken. 3 times I have tried to do a make world with cvsup in between each failure. The exact error message is as follows: ===> libexec/named-xfer make: don't know how to make named-xfer.c. Stop *** Error code 2 Any ideas would be helpful. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.6 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 06:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28004 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:32:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27959 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:32:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id PAA12642; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:31:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:31:44 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Atipa Cc: Luigi Rizzo , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: win95 ppp config... References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 04 May 1998 15:31:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: Atipa's message of "Sun, 3 May 1998 12:24:21 -0600 (MDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Atipa writes: > Look for "direct modem connection". You need to install it separately. It > supports null-modem and laplink (parallel), so I don't think a dedicated > line would be a problem. AFAIK it doesn't speak ppp, it uses a Microsoft proprietary protocol. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 06:43:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29978 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA28867 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA06112; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:01:18 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805041201.OAA06112@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:01:18 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <808310.3103278503@d254.promo.de> from "Stefan Bethke" at May 4, 98 01:48:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > > I've just bought an ISA-PnP soundcard, but my old Asus 486SP3G BIOS' doesn't boot with -c and use the manual pnp configuration instruction cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 06:52:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01891 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01785; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:51:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (localhost.rwwa.com [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA28872; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:51:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Message-Id: <199805041351.JAA28872@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: marc@bowtie.nl cc: Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 May 1998 12:07:47 +0200." <199805041007.MAA14164@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:51:38 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG marc@bowtie.nl said: :- To date I haven't received one single bug report and only very little :- feedback from the FreeBSD users. But.... *I* sent some of both, didn't I Marc? ;-) Anyway, blender is *very* cool. I was going to make a Port/Package which would make this much easier for FreeBSD people to get and use (not that it is all that hard as it is now). But they (politely) said no-thanks, 'cause they had someome else doing that. But, to date, I havn't seen it announced. So, if the blender people wouldn't mind, maybe Amancio or me could try to put together a package/port for this and maybe that will help a little? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA, witr@rwwa.COM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 07:05:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04483 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA04456; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 26969 on Mon, 4 May 1998 14:04:03 GMT; id OAA26969 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17238; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:02:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199805041402.QAA17238@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Robert Withrow cc: marc@bowtie.nl, Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: witr's message of Mon, 04 May 1998 09:51:38 -0400. <199805041351.JAA28872@spooky.rwwa.com> Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 16:02:31 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > marc@bowtie.nl said: > :- To date I haven't received one single bug report and only very little > :- feedback from the FreeBSD users. > > But.... *I* sent some of both, didn't I Marc? ;-) > I must have missed that it was for FreeBSD, mea culpa. > Anyway, blender is *very* cool. I was going to make a Port/Package > which would make this much easier for FreeBSD people to get and use > (not that it is all that hard as it is now). But they (politely) > said no-thanks, 'cause they had someome else doing that. But, > to date, I havn't seen it announced. > > So, if the blender people wouldn't mind, maybe Amancio or me could > try to put together a package/port for this and maybe that will > help a little? > Please go ahead, we'll put the package on the ftp site right away. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 07:24:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06709 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:24:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06693; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:24:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA14861; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:24:31 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA04444; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:24:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980504162432.50061@follo.net> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:24:32 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , System Admin Cc: freebsd-qestions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, danny@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: low level tcp filter References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpd8dudv4t=2Efsf=40hrotti=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_from?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Mon=2C_May_04=2C_1998_a?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t_03=3A26=3A58PM_+0200?= Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:26:58PM +0200, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > System Admin writes: > > i ask mis there a way to enable filters at some leel where words can be > > removed or masked before they as they go in or out of the process > > or atleast masked somewhat... > > If you *really* don't want to / have the possibility to patch the IRC > server to do that, you'll have to write a proxy. There's no way to do > this at any level below the application layer (to the best of my > knowledge). You can in theory modify libalias, but I don't think it'd be a good idea. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 08:21:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16964 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16919 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:20:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Received: from pr-comm.com (prcomm.roc.servtech.com [204.181.3.14]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21248; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:20:43 GMT Received: from pr-comm.com (housley@hatchling.int.pr-comm.com [192.168.70.48]) by pr-comm.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15613; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Message-ID: <354DDC97.A0453541@pr-comm.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:19:51 -0400 From: "James E. Housley" Organization: PR Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ColdFire@WildRice.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using BDM from FreeBSD References: <199804292208.IAA14676@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Jeremy wrote: > > [Followups: Please note cross posting] > > Gunter Magin has developed a set > of patches to gdb 4.13 and 4.16 to allow it to talk to a BDM (Motorola > CPU32 embedded debug) interface > (ftp://ftp.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de/pub/bdm/gdb-4.16-bdm-patches.tgz). > This includes a BDM parallel port device driver for Linux. > > Has anyone looked at porting this driver to FreeBSD? (I realise it > could also be done from user-mode, but haven't studied it to see if > this is practical). > > Peter > -- > Peter Jeremy (VK2PJ) peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au > Alcatel Australia Limited > 41 Mandible St Phone: +61 2 9690 5019 > ALEXANDRIA NSW 2015 Fax: +61 2 9690 5247 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message Yes I have. I have ported that code to be a LKM for FreeBSD. I used it regularly. Try this link: http://www.servtech.com/~pr-comm/gdb/gdb.html I haven't "installed" this in quite a while. Please contact me for help if you need to. I would also appreciate all feedback. Jim. -- James E. Housley PGP: 1024/03983B4D PR Communications, Inc. 2C 3F 3A 0D A8 D8 C3 13 www.servtech.com/public/pr-comm 7C F0 B5 BF 27 8B 92 FE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 08:31:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18986 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18948; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:31:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02292; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805041527.IAA02292@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: marc@bowtie.nl cc: Robert Withrow , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" and FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 May 1998 16:02:31 +0200." <199805041402.QAA17238@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 08:27:49 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From my perspective, please go ahead and do a ports package. Also, I need a X11 programmer to fix a few minor problems with Blender so please if you are qualified send mail to Marc or me. Tnks! Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 08:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19505 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19435 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:33:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no (skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.2]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id RAA00622; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:33:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:33:05 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-Current build broken References: <19980504063053.64112@mooseriver.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 04 May 1998 17:33:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: Josef Grosch's message of "Mon, 4 May 1998 06:30:53 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Josef Grosch writes: > 3.0-Current build is broken. 3 times I have tried to do a make world with > cvsup in between each failure. The exact error message is as follows: > > ===> libexec/named-xfer > make: don't know how to make named-xfer.c. Stop > *** Error code 2 > > Any ideas would be helpful. If you read -current (which you should if you're running current), you'll notice that Peter Wemm is working on upgrading to the latest version of named, and that he posted a warning earlier today that builds would fail until he was finished. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 08:39:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21162 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:39:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.net-link.net (mail.net-link.net [205.217.6.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21119; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpub1@net-link.net) Received: from ricecake (pm200-4.bc.net-link.net [207.49.227.74]) by mail.net-link.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA05998; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:39:17 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980504114445.03191470@smtp.net-link.net> X-Sender: wpub1@smtp.net-link.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:44:45 -0400 To: Marc van Kempen From: Matthew Hagerty Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199805041007.MAA14164@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm responsible for advising NeoGeo about the Linux and FreeBSD >> versions. I would like to take this opportunity to react to >> Amancio's remarks. >> >> To date I haven't received one single bug report and only very >> little feedback from the FreeBSD users. >> >> Despite the fact that I prefer FreeBSD over Linux any day, you >> are not making yourselves credible as a commercial market, or >> even a fun market, enthusiasm is a powerful motivator! >> >> Regards, >> Marc van Kempen. >> > >I've had blender 3 days. It core dumps reliably with a segmentation fault >on my 2.2.5 system. I have not yet had time to pursue it further. I hate >to report it without trying out a few things but there is a bug report for >what it's worth. > >I am very excited about this package and appreciate the effort it has >taken to bring it to FreeBSD. > >Best regards, >Nick Repin > I ran Blender on 2.2.6-Release and it worked the first time. Have not had much time to mess with it though, but I did get lost quickly. I guess I will have to read the how-to on your web page. So far I like what I see, now if I can just figure out how to use it :) Keep up the good work! Matthew Hagerty To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 09:05:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25796 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25724; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: from natasya.kublai.com (natasya.kublai.com [207.172.25.236]) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16057; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:05:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by natasya.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17253; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980504120508.57001@kublai.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:05:08 -0400 From: Brian Cully To: Amancio Hasty , Open Systems Networking Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com References: <199805040022.RAA03840@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199805040022.RAA03840@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Sun, May 03, 1998 at 05:22:41PM -0700 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 05:22:41PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > I don't think is a 2.x vs. 3.x issue because I was able to run > "blender" over here and I am running -current. > > Perhaps if you can post a stack trace it will help also some apps > have problems running at certain color depths so it would be nice > if you can post at what resolution / color depth you are running at. I had the same problem Chris describes, but it had to do with not coping the .B.blend and .Bfs files into my home directory. It's a pretty slick package, but DOG slow on my P-166. > > I downloaded it and tried it out on -current to see if it worked on > > -current, but it just fires up, the screen turns blue real fast and then > > core dumps :) and everything goes back to normal. But I didnt dump to much > > time into getting it to run. But I think it's cause its for 2.2.5(6). -- Brian Cully ``And when one of our comrades was taken prisoner, blindfolded, hung upside-down, shot, and burned, we thought to ourselves, `These are the best experiences of our lives''' -Pathology (Joe Frank, Somewhere Out There) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 09:13:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27283 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:13:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27224; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02692; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:12:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805041612.JAA02692@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shmit@kublai.com cc: Open Systems Networking , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 May 1998 12:05:08 EDT." <19980504120508.57001@kublai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:12:43 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >It's a pretty slick package, but DOG slow on my P-166. blender flies on my PPro 200Mhz should be a lot of fun with the PII 400Mhz 8) Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 10:13:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08458 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:13:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08450 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:13:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 8019 invoked by uid 1000); 4 May 1998 17:20:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19980504192027.B7742@paert.tse-online.de> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:20:27 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805032214.PAA02964@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Sun, May 03, 1998 at 07:00:38PM -0400 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 07:00:38PM -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > On Sun, 3 May 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Are people even trying out this wonderful package?? > I downloaded it and tried it out on -current to see if it worked on > -current, but it just fires up, the screen turns blue real fast and then been there, too - made the same experience. Blender starts up in full-screen mode by default. I made some tries with an explicit and smaller geometry and it worked to a certain degree. But I got it to segfault by fumbling around with the user-interface. (I'm no 3D-guru though, ... ) > core dumps :) and everything goes back to normal. But I didnt dump to much > time into getting it to run. But I think it's cause its for 2.2.5(6). hmmm. Since my only 2.2-stable machines are our various servers without X11 I was not able to verify this assumption. Regards, Andreas -- /// TSE TeleService GmbH | Gsf: Arne Reuter | /// Hovestrasse 14 | Andreas Braukmann | We do it with /// D-48351 Everswinkel | HRB: 1430, AG WAF | FreeBSD/SMP /// ------------------------------------------------------------------- /// PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key /// Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 10:16:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09424 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:16:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09354 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:16:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 8027 invoked by uid 1000); 4 May 1998 17:23:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19980504192335.C7742@paert.tse-online.de> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:23:35 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805040022.RAA03840@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: <199805040022.RAA03840@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Sun, May 03, 1998 at 05:22:41PM -0700 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, ... me again, ... I forgot some relevant pieces of information in my last messages. On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 05:22:41PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > I don't think is a 2.x vs. 3.x issue because I was able to run > "blender" over here and I am running -current. > Perhaps if you can post a stack trace it will help also some apps > have problems running at certain color depths so it would be nice > if you can post at what resolution / color depth you are running at. I'm running the Xi-graphics X-Server (Matrox Millenium II, 8 MB) at 1600x1200x16. -Andreas -- /// TSE TeleService GmbH | Gsf: Arne Reuter | /// Hovestrasse 14 | Andreas Braukmann | We do it with /// D-48351 Everswinkel | HRB: 1430, AG WAF | FreeBSD/SMP /// ------------------------------------------------------------------- /// PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key /// Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 10:48:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16401 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:48:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16381; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:48:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA06562; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:14:40 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805041614.SAA06562@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: IP bandwidth manager code snapshot available To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:14:40 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Bcc to -hackers in case someone is interested there, apologies for duplicates...] I have put together a few notes and patches (for 2.2.6, but should reasonably easy to port to -current as well) on my integration of the dummynet code with ipfw. You can find it at http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ip_dummynet/ The code is very close to working (it has known bugs causing panics) but i want to have some feedback and advice on how to proceed before it's too late (read: working well enough that i lose any motivation to make changes). Things i have done/plan to do that i want advice on: * added a flow_id field to m_pkthdr, following Julian suggestion. It reduces the usable size of the first mbuf (MHLEN) to 104, so it might break something that makes assumptions on MHLEN being 108 ? * changed the way to avoid loops when a packet passes through the ip_fw_chk rules multiple times. The flow_id is also a pointer to the chain entry which matched last time, and checks continue from the next rule. * the location of the ip_fw_chk() call in ip_output() could be moved ? Right now, if a pkt goes multiple times through ip_output, there is some duplication of work and probably something nasty can be done. Feedback welcome. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 11:07:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20659 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20568; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:07:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Message-Id: <199805041809.OAA24693@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.2. Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:07:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Brian Cully cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <19980504120508.57001@kublai.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 May 1998, Brian Cully wrote: > It's a pretty slick package, but DOG slow on my P-166. I run it on this old indy, and it runs fine. Your P-166 should be about equivalent. %hinv Iris Audio Processor: version A2 revision 4.1.0 1 133 MHZ IP22 Processor FPU: MIPS R4600 Floating Point Coprocessor Revision: 2.0 CPU: MIPS R4600 Processor Chip Revision: 2.0 On-board serial ports: 2 On-board bi-directional parallel port Data cache size: 16 Kbytes Instruction cache size: 16 Kbytes Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 512 Kbytes on Processor 0 Main memory size: 64 Mbytes Vino video: unit 0, revision 0, IndyCam connected Integral ISDN: Basic Rate Interface unit 0, revision 1.0 Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1 Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision D Disk drive: unit 6 on SCSI controller 0 Disk drive / removable media: unit 2 on SCSI controller 0 Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 Graphics board: Indy 24-bit Jamie Bowden Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 11:09:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21043 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bb.cc.wa.us (bb.cc.wa.us [134.39.181.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20964 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:09:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@bb.cc.wa.us) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA18427 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sony Dat Drives Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anyone know if the SDT-9000 DDS-3 DAT tape drives from SONY work on FreeBSD 2.2.6? Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 11:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28171 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:48:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA28159 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:48:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWPsT-0004st-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:22:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:22:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: "David E. Cross" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA28161 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 4 May 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan [iso-8859-1] Smørgrav wrote: > Tom writes: > > Not enough mbufs. Increase MAXUSERS or NMBCLUSTERS > > Does anybody have a thumb rule for the amount of mbuf clusters needed? What are you at now? If you have MAXUSERS set to 64 (which you should probably do anyhow for servers), you will have a large number of mbufs. You can use "netstat -m" to look at current usage, and the high-water mark. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 12:03:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00846 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:03:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00829 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:03:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWQ6u-0004tl-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:37:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Andreas Klemm cc: Benjamin Greenwald , "David E. Cross" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <19980504112223.47105@hightek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 May 1998, Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 10:51:01PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > > Do you have a suggestion as to what we'd replace dump/restore with? (And > > > PLEASE don't say "tar -g" ... *shiver*) > > star looks smart. See my port in the ports collection. There is also pax. I like pax'es on the fly path transformation stuff. There is also the commercial BRU for FreeBSD. It does compression by file, and has great verify features. > -- > B&K Gruppe - Wuppertal > phone +49 202 7399 - 170 > fax +49 202 7399 - 100 http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas/ > > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 12:06:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01511 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01468 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:06:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id PAA28005; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:06:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Andreas Braukmann cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <19980504192027.B7742@paert.tse-online.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 May 1998, Andreas Braukmann wrote: > been there, too - made the same experience. > Blender starts up in full-screen mode by default. I made some tries with > an explicit and smaller geometry and it worked to a certain degree. > But I got it to segfault by fumbling around with the user-interface. > (I'm no 3D-guru though, ... ) > > core dumps :) and everything goes back to normal. But I didnt dump to much > > time into getting it to run. But I think it's cause its for 2.2.5(6). > hmmm. Since my only 2.2-stable machines are our various servers without > X11 I was not able to verify this assumption. Yes I just posted this morning about the same explanation. It does start full screen and for some reason it oes NOT like 1600x1200x16bpp it just freaks and core dumps. So I did the same as you changed it to start at 1024x768 and it runs ok. Except as i mentioned earlier it now becomes a window but it thinks it's running full screen so you cant resize it, move it, click on it to put it behind another window, etc.. I dropped my resolution to 600x480 or whatever the lowest X resolution is in the 640 x XXX range is, and it still did not like that, it flashed blue and core dumped again. It doesnt want to run for me unless I specifically tell it what resolution to run at with the -p option. But then it doesnt run full screen and since this is obviously a fullscreen app and not a window it is quite annoying to use with other apps running or windows in the same workspace. But still it appears to be a nuclear killer rednering package! I like it alot, but graphics are not my hobby or job :) But it is still very nice. Just a tad buggy IMO. Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www..freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 12:53:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09591 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eyelab.psy.msu.edu (eyelab.psy.msu.edu [35.8.64.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09552; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@eyelab.psy.msu.edu) Received: from default (pntcmi137047.voyager.net [209.153.137.47]) by eyelab.psy.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA23022; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:51:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from root@eyelab.psy.msu.edu) Message-Id: <199805041951.PAA23022@eyelab.psy.msu.edu> X-Sender: root@eyelab.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1.329 (Beta) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:44:33 -0400 To: marc@bowtie.nl From: Gary Schrock Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805041007.MAA14164@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:07 PM 5/4/98 +0200, you wrote: >I'm responsible for advising NeoGeo about the Linux and FreeBSD >versions. I would like to take this opportunity to react to >Amancio's remarks. > >To date I haven't received one single bug report and only very >little feedback from the FreeBSD users. > >Despite the fact that I prefer FreeBSD over Linux any day, you >are not making yourselves credible as a commercial market, or >even a fun market, enthusiasm is a powerful motivator! I know I plan on installing this package at some point. I remember seeing the announcement in one of the .announce groups on usenet and took that time to look through the site and decide that it was promissing for what we're doing. I know I just haven't had the time to look at it (and the machine that it would be put on has been real busy with analyzing fmri data lately), but I'm definitely still interested. Sometimes it just falls down to trying out new things has to take a lower priority to getting the stuff that needs to be done done first. We're finally moving into our low season where I might actually have the time to investigate this program. So please, just because you don't get immediate response don't assume that the interest isn't there. Gary Schrock root@eyelab.msu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 13:05:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12289 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:05:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12244; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:05:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([209.12.57.27]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA200; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:00:51 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01188; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:05:55 GMT (envelope-from root) Message-ID: <19980504160554.A1160@scsn.net> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:05:54 +0000 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Robert Withrow , marc@bowtie.nl Cc: Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net Mail-Followup-To: Robert Withrow , marc@bowtie.nl, Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805041007.MAA14164@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> <199805041351.JAA28872@spooky.rwwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805041351.JAA28872@spooky.rwwa.com>; from Robert Withrow on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 09:51:38AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 09:51:38AM -0400, Robert Withrow wrote: > > marc@bowtie.nl said: > :- To date I haven't received one single bug report and only very little > :- feedback from the FreeBSD users. > > But.... *I* sent some of both, didn't I Marc? ;-) > I have also sent feedback to NeoGeo on the blender... I couldn't get the form on their webpage to work, though, so I just mailed it to blender@neogeo.nl. I know _my_ email specifically mentioned that I was using the FreeBSD port... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 13:15:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14708 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:15:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aaka.3skel.com (aaka.3skel.com [207.240.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14668 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:15:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danj@3skel.com) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by aaka.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA23074; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 3skel.com (localhost.3skel.com [127.0.0.1]) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA16858; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <354E21D6.874EC742@3skel.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 16:15:18 -0400 From: Dan Janowski Organization: Triskelion Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Coleman CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sony Dat Drives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Coleman wrote: > Does anyone know if the SDT-9000 DDS-3 DAT tape drives from SONY work on > FreeBSD 2.2.6? > > Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) > Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 > FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message I have an HP DD3 running fine. Dan -- danj@3skel.com Dan Janowski Triskelion Systems, Inc. Bronx, NY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 14:00:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23968 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov ([131.182.119.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23914 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshenton@gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov) Received: from wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (WireHead.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.88]) by gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21869 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15627; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:00:00 -0400 (EDT) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2.6 RELEASE->STABLE make buildworld fails on "cc1" X-Emacs: Emacs 20.2, MULE 3.0 (MOMIJINOGA) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.2.0 - "Nishiizumi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Chris Shenton Date: 04 May 1998 16:59:59 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Installed 2.2.6 RELEASE from CD. CVSupped to get STABLE moments ago. Trying to "make buildworld" fails: ===> cpp cc -O -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../cc_tools -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc/cccp.c cc -O -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../cc_tools -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c cexp.c cc -O -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../cc_tools -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc/obstack.c cc -O -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../cc_tools -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c cc -O -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../cc_tools -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -o cpp cccp.o cexp.o obstack.o version.o ===> cc1 cc -O -DFREEBSD_AOUT -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.7.2.1\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE=\"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_tools -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c ../cc_tools/c-parse.c c-parse.y: In function `yyparse': c-parse.y:1190: parse error before `;' *** Error code 1 Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 14:24:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28766 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28653 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:24:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: from natasya.kublai.com (natasya.kublai.com [207.172.25.236]) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17799; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:24:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by natasya.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00274; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980504172417.09049@kublai.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:24:17 -0400 From: Brian Cully To: Open Systems Networking , Andreas Braukmann Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com References: <19980504192027.B7742@paert.tse-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:06:03PM -0400 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:06:03PM -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > Yes I just posted this morning about the same explanation. It does start > full screen and for some reason it oes NOT like 1600x1200x16bpp it just > freaks and core dumps. So I did the same as you changed it to start at I'm running it at 1600x1200 at 16bpp. Both 1.30 and 1.31_dynamic worked fine. -- Brian Cully ``And when one of our comrades was taken prisoner, blindfolded, hung upside-down, shot, and burned, we thought to ourselves, `These are the best experiences of our lives''' -Pathology (Joe Frank, Somewhere Out There) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 14:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02662 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:40:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02506 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id RAA04235; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Brian Cully cc: Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <19980504172417.09049@kublai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 May 1998, Brian Cully wrote: > On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:06:03PM -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > > Yes I just posted this morning about the same explanation. It does start > > full screen and for some reason it oes NOT like 1600x1200x16bpp it just > > freaks and core dumps. So I did the same as you changed it to start at > > I'm running it at 1600x1200 at 16bpp. Both 1.30 and 1.31_dynamic worked fine. Interesting... Hmm perhaps it just doesnt like the Matrox Millinium II? Thats what andreas and myself are using. And we both have the same problem. Maybe it's the matrox it doesnt like then. That would sure be interesting since I think the matrox is a pretty high end card. Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 14:56:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07104 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:56:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06923 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:55:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shmit@coleridge.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17962; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:55:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shmit) Message-ID: <19980504175529.53255@kublai.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:55:29 -0400 From: Brian Cully To: Open Systems Networking Cc: Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com References: <19980504172417.09049@kublai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 05:39:34PM -0400 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 05:39:34PM -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > Interesting... Hmm perhaps it just doesnt like the Matrox Millinium II? > Thats what andreas and myself are using. And we both have the same > problem. Maybe it's the matrox it doesnt like then. That would sure be > interesting since I think the matrox is a pretty high end card. I have the first Millenium in this box, so it may have something to do with the Millenium II, but that seems to be stretching. -bjc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 15:09:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10926 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:09:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10759 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id SAA11326; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:08:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Brian Cully cc: Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <19980504175529.53255@kublai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 May 1998, Brian Cully wrote: > I have the first Millenium in this box, so it may have something to do > with the Millenium II, but that seems to be stretching. Well it is the only common factor here. Between us. We both have Mill. II cards. Im not positive if this is the problem but it is the only common link. Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 15:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14584 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shangri-la.lcs.mit.edu (root@shangri-la.lcs.mit.edu [18.111.0.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14427 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beng@shangri-la.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from shangri-la.lcs.mit.edu (beng@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shangri-la.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA08117 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805042222.SAA08117@shangri-la.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 22:51:01 PDT." From: Benjamin Greenwald X-Sender: beng@lcs.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:22:22 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG *snip* > > > > It's been fairly well proven that dump/restore is by far the most accurate way > > of backing up one's filesystems. > > Really? Since dump/restore requires direct knowledge of filesystem > internals, it should probably be dropped for being a gross layering > violation alone. Assuming it can even capture a consistant view of an > active filesystem (I doubt it myself). dump/restore's idea of raw > filesystem access was a mistake. > Dump/restore gains it's accuracy precisely because it breaks the abstraction. UFS filesystems contain UFS specific info which utilities like tar don't capture, not to mention dump has better accuracy on very wierd files. This isn't a slight against tar... tar gains a great deal from being filesystem indifferent including speed (as you mentioned) and portability. There is simply no way to totally capture UFS without breaking the abstraction... if you're going to assume the filesystem type why not look at the raw disk and so you really know what's going on? An obvious and simple example: imagine tar'ing up some files flaged uchg. How do you propose we make sure the restored files are also flaged uchg without assuming we are using UFS? Abstraction is a tool... not an absolute. Just like all tools, you have to choose when it's right to use it. Don't assume any screwdriver will work until you find out whether the screws are phillips or flathead. -Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 15:44:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19189 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19132 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 10353 invoked by uid 1000); 4 May 1998 22:51:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19980505005122.O23283@paert.tse-online.de> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 00:51:22 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Mail-Followup-To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <19980504172417.09049@kublai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 05:39:34PM -0400 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 05:39:34PM -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > > On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:06:03PM -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > > > Yes I just posted this morning about the same explanation. It does start > > > full screen and for some reason it oes NOT like 1600x1200x16bpp it just > > > freaks and core dumps. So I did the same as you changed it to start at > Interesting... Hmm perhaps it just doesnt like the Matrox Millinium II? hmm. What kind of X-Server do you use? The XFree86 one or the Xi-Graphics also like I do? > Thats what andreas and myself are using. And we both have the same > problem. Maybe it's the matrox it doesnt like then. That would sure be > interesting since I think the matrox is a pretty high end card. I had an OEM Millenium with 2 MB WRAM before that and thought that 2D-graphic simply couldn't just couldn't be any faster (thinking about the subjective visual impression), I switched to the Millenium II because of the larger memory and my wife thought that the Mill I suites her needs :). In fact, ... I was quite astonished about the feelable performance difference. Regards, Andreas -- /// TSE TeleService GmbH | Gsf: Arne Reuter | /// Hovestrasse 14 | Andreas Braukmann | We do it with /// D-48351 Everswinkel | HRB: 1430, AG WAF | FreeBSD/SMP /// ------------------------------------------------------------------- /// PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key /// Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 15:55:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21419 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA21254 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 10384 invoked by uid 1000); 4 May 1998 23:02:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19980505010237.P23283@paert.tse-online.de> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 01:02:37 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980504192027.B7742@paert.tse-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:06:03PM -0400 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:06:03PM -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > freaks and core dumps. So I did the same as you changed it to start at > 1024x768 and it runs ok. Except as i mentioned earlier it now becomes a > window but it thinks it's running full screen so you cant resize it, move > it, I can't reproduce the latter. I resized the blender window a few times just a few seconds ago. Could this be a window-manager problem? (I'm using Afterstep 1.0) > click on it to put it behind another window, etc.. no problem here. ... but as soon as I try to put in fullscreen-mode (through a window-manager function for example) it crashes. -ab -- /// TSE TeleService GmbH | Gsf: Arne Reuter | /// Hovestrasse 14 | Andreas Braukmann | We do it with /// D-48351 Everswinkel | HRB: 1430, AG WAF | FreeBSD/SMP /// ------------------------------------------------------------------- /// PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key /// Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 16:18:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25828 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:18:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25765; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24067; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:32:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA01128; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:42:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:42:04 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Stefan Bethke , Chuck Robey Cc: Nicolas Souchu , FreeBSD Hackers , Stefan Esser Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Bethke , Chuck Robey , Nicolas Souchu , FreeBSD Hackers , Stefan Esser References: <784658.3103278110@d254.promo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <784658.3103278110@d254.promo.de>; from Stefan Bethke on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 01:41:50PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-05-04 13:41 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: > Also, for PCI, FreeBSD relies on the BIOS32 interface for card > configuration. Really ? And I thought I did know the inner workings of the PCI code ... ;-) Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 18:29:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19758 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:29:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f90.hotmail.com [207.82.250.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA19574 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from the_reman@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 22827 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 1998 01:28:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19980505012801.22826.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.171.96.40 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 May 1998 18:28:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.171.96.40] From: "Chris Day" To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 11:28:00 EST Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> I've just bought an ISA-PnP soundcard, but my old Asus 486SP3G BIOS' doesn't > >boot with -c and use the manual pnp configuration instruction There are however some cards which will refuse to admit to being there when you do a PnP probe and can only be configured by proprietary ports after the PnP config is done. This is the case with my OPTi931 sound card. I don't have a PnP bios (old 486 motherboard) and no matter what I tried I couldn't get it to init. This is usually the case when the card comes with a special init'er that is usually run under DOS or is a s[ecial Win95 driver, and of course trying to reverse engineer it with d86 just ain't working. Anyway, to cut a long story short I went out and bought an AWE64 PnP and it worked first time, (well the win 3.1 driver crashes! haw haw). So my advice is, make sure that when you buy a card make sure you can test it first and return it if it won't work. Just coz it says "Plug and Play" doesn't mean it's PnP. regards, chris p.s. cheers to luigi, who managed to get at an OPTi931 card to work. -- Christopher Day, The reman, Loosecannon, Mortis, The Flatliner E-Mail the_reman@hotmail.com Homepage http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/1218 when the rain/when the children reign/keep your conscience in the dark melt the statues in the park - Fall On Me ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 19:38:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02607 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bleep.ishiboo.com (user22131@bleep.ishiboo.com [199.79.133.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02538 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:37:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nirva@ishiboo.com) Received: (qmail 710 invoked by uid 1000); 5 May 1998 03:38:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19980504223858.41986@bleep.ishiboo.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:38:58 -0500 From: Danny Dulai To: Open Systems Networking Cc: Brian Cully , Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. References: <19980504175529.53255@kublai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 06:08:26PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoting Open Systems Networking (opsys@mail.webspan.net): > On Mon, 4 May 1998, Brian Cully wrote: > > > I have the first Millenium in this box, so it may have something to do > > with the Millenium II, but that seems to be stretching. > > Well it is the only common factor here. Between us. We both have Mill. II > cards. Im not positive if this is the problem but it is the only common > link. > > Chris > > -- > "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" > > ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. > FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 > -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 > FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net > http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security > ===================================| http://open-systems.net > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te > gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC > foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z > d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb > NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv > CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 > b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= > =BBjp > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message Works fine for me. i run XiG's Accellerated X server version 4.1 (multihead), and I have a millinium II AGP and a millinium I PCI. The I is running 1600x1200@24bpp and the II is running 1600x1200@32bpp. It works on both. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Danny Dulai Feet. Pumice. Lotion. http://www.ishiboo.com/~nirva/ nirva@ishiboo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 20:11:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08594 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:11:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from teel.info-noire.com (XP11-1-1-05.interlinx.qc.ca [207.253.79.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08507 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@gel.usherb.ca) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by teel.info-noire.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00628; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:09:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from alex@teel.info-noire.com) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:09:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Boisvert Reply-To: boia01@gel.usherb.ca To: Gary Schrock cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <199805041951.PAA23022@eyelab.psy.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 May 1998, Gary Schrock wrote: > At 12:07 PM 5/4/98 +0200, you wrote: > >I'm responsible for advising NeoGeo about the Linux and FreeBSD > >versions. I would like to take this opportunity to react to > >Amancio's remarks. > > > >To date I haven't received one single bug report and only very > >little feedback from the FreeBSD users. > > Under 2.2-STABLE (after 2.2.6), I can fire up the "blender" can see the main window (move the cursors, etc...) but pressing "F1" displays a "file open" dialog and immediately crashes the application. This can be repeated at will. I can also supply core dumps if needed ;-) Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 20:57:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13936 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:57:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA13931 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:57:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id EAA07418; Tue, 5 May 1998 04:23:44 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805050223.EAA07418@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: the_reman@hotmail.com (Chris Day) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 04:23:43 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980505012801.22826.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Chris Day" at May 5, 98 11:27:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> I've just bought an ISA-PnP soundcard, but my old Asus 486SP3G BIOS' > doesn't > > > >boot with -c and use the manual pnp configuration instruction > > There are however some cards which will refuse to admit to being there > when you do a PnP probe and can only be configured by proprietary ports if this happens they are not ISA-PnP compliant. In the case of the OPTi931, the PnP configuration works fine in my experience (unless the card you have has the 'disable PnP' pin hardwired on, but that's another story The fact that the card wants its own initialization, like any other card in the world, does not mean it is not PnP, it only means it is not 100% SB or WSS clone and so does not work well if initialized as a SB or WSS. > So my advice is, make sure that when you buy a card make sure you can > test it first and return it if it won't work. Just coz it says "Plug > and Play" doesn't mean it's PnP. correct. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 21:35:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19994 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:35:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA19969 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWZ2h-0005GE-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:09:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:09:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Benjamin Greenwald cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199805042222.SAA08117@shangri-la.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 May 1998, Benjamin Greenwald wrote: > > > It's been fairly well proven that dump/restore is by far the most accurate > way > > > of backing up one's filesystems. > > > > Really? Since dump/restore requires direct knowledge of filesystem > > internals, it should probably be dropped for being a gross layering > > violation alone. Assuming it can even capture a consistant view of an > > active filesystem (I doubt it myself). dump/restore's idea of raw > > filesystem access was a mistake. > > > > Dump/restore gains it's accuracy precisely because it breaks the abstraction. > UFS filesystems contain UFS specific info which utilities like tar don't > capture, not to mention dump has better accuracy on very wierd files. This > isn't a slight against tar... tar gains a great deal from being filesystem > indifferent including speed (as you mentioned) and portability. Perhaps, but dump/restore is broken for large filesystems. Perhaps one of the dump/restore advocates should fix it before a new user is swayed by the rhetoric into using dump/restore, only to watch restore core dump on large dumps. > There is simply no way to totally capture UFS without breaking the > abstraction... if you're going to assume the filesystem type why not look at > the raw disk and so you really know what's going on? > > An obvious and simple example: imagine tar'ing up some files flaged uchg. How > do you propose we make sure the restored files are also flaged uchg without > assuming we are using UFS? uchg is just another file attribute, and could be supported on non-UFS filesystems. An archiver should store all file attributes, and restore them as possible. Other problems with dump/restore: - Tape format is specific to dump, and can't be read anywhere else. The current large filesystem bug could be a data structure problem, which in order to fix will break compatibility with old tapes! - You need to be read permissions to the raw filesystem to run dump. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 22:04:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23894 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:04:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA23882 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA28835 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:05:53 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199805050505.BAA28835@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 01:05:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recently I had a couple of Compaq machines with integrated ethernet controllers foisted on me, and was lucky enough to be able to install FreeBSD on one of them. Unfortunately, FreeBSD didn't support the Texas Instruments ThunderLAN (tm) ethernet chip in this machine, so I took it upon myself to write my own driver for it. After a whole two weeks worth of work, the driver is more or less complete (inasmuch as it works for me), and now I'd like to find some other people to test it before I slap it into the tree. I'm especially interested in testers for FreeBSD 3.0-current: I initially developed this driver for FreeBSD 2.2.6 and have only been able to test it there. I've made the necessary changes to make it compile on -current, but I can't trash this machine to install a -current snapshot to test it as it's now more or less in production. The driver supports about a half-dozen Compaq Netelligent adapters and Netflex integrated ethernet controllers. It also supports both the ThunderLAN embedded physical interface (PHY) and external PHYs such as the National Semiconductor DP83840A. It should also work with any other PHY that is MII-compliant. With the DP83840A (or equivalent) PHY, both 10Mbps and 100Mbps in half or full duplex are supported. The ThunderLAN's built-in PHY only supports 10Mbps. Modes can be set either manually or through autonegotiation. Although I have not tested it, it should also support some Texas Instruments ethernet adapters based on the ThunderLAN chip as well. The driver is available at the following places: ftp.ctr.columbia.edu:/pub/misc/freebsd/thunderlan.tar.gz ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/thunderlan.tar.gz The distribution includes if_tl.c, if_tlreg.h and a README which explains how to build a kernel with ThunderLAN support. So far I've only run limited tests, but they've been encouraging. I have a Proliant servera with a 300Mhz Pentium Pro with 512K cache and 64MB RAM running FreeBSD 2.2.6 attached to a Cisco Catalyst 2900 10/100 switch. I can achieve FTP transfers between this machine and a LoseNT Sewer 4.0 system (with identical hardware except for extra RAM) at about 11.5MB/sec in full duplex mode. The LoseNT machine is a little slower transmitting than it is recveiving: transmitting from it to the FreeBSD system typically runs at around 9.8Mb/sec. Transfers between the FreeBSD and another LoseNT 4.0 Workstation machine, this one a Dell with an Intel EtherExpress Pro 100B card, average about 11.5MB/sec both ways. I set up the driver to use PCI memory mapping to access the ThunderLAN's registers as opposed to using programmed I/O, which is what both the Linux and NetBSD drivers do. There probably isn't any particular advantage to doing it this way, but it seemed niftier somehow. I also set up the receive and transmit lists such that the chip DMA's data directly between mbufs and its internal SRAM in order to avoid buffer copies. The driver also includes ifmedia, multicast and BPF support. I would appreciate if people running FreeBSD 2.2.6 that have Compaq hardware could test this driver to make sure it works, and if people running 3.0-current who know their way around the kernel networking code could review the code to see if it actually does the right thing on 3.0. My porting to 3.0 basically consisted of copying the driver to bento.freebsd.org and hammering on it for a few minutes until it compiled; odds are this was not enough. Please send bug reports, success reports or patches to wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 4 23:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02896 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02880 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:19:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23684; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805050617.XAA23684@implode.root.com> To: Bill Paul cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 01:05:51 EDT." <199805050505.BAA28835@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 23:17:58 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I set up the driver to use PCI memory mapping to access the >ThunderLAN's registers as opposed to using programmed I/O, which is >what both the Linux and NetBSD drivers do. There probably isn't any >particular advantage to doing it this way, but it seemed niftier somehow. Memory mapped access to the registers will be faster than PIO on P6 class processors. I don't recall all of the issues, but I believe that doing PIO causes the instruction pipeline to get flushed. Anyway, I use mapped register access in the fxp driver and I've never had a complaint. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 00:17:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10283 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10277 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA11576; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:47:44 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980505164744.S4777@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:47:44 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Chris Coleman , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sony Dat Drives References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Coleman on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:05:06AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 4 May 1998 at 11:05:06 -0700, Chris Coleman wrote: > Does anyone know if the SDT-9000 DDS-3 DAT tape drives from SONY work on > FreeBSD 2.2.6? I don't know about that particular one, but I've never heard of a DDS drive that didn't work on FreeBSD. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 00:39:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13696 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:39:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13680 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:39:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15687; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:39:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd015668; Tue May 5 00:39:33 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16950; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:39:23 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805050739.AAA16950@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:39:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805032004.NAA01429@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at May 3, 98 01:04:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > We don't use bios calls for drivers however very recently someone checked in > code to make bios calls which can come in handy for video adapters video > modes. Making INT 10 calls is generally a bad idea. It requires taking down most of the outstanding operations manually from the kernel side, in the expectation of CLI/STI/etc.. This is because it is common practice for video cards with DRAM, and some with "VRAM" (dual ported RAM) that have inherited BIOS code from a DRAM card, to disable all interrupts while doing any INT 10 processing. Specifically, I worked for a company that produced terminal emulators, and one of the modes it could operate in was a direct INT 10 call based interface (for compatability, without new drivers, with new hardware as it was released; it was a support stop-gap -- I design software for minimal engineering involvement in the support process, for the obvious reason that I am an engineer 8-)). We found an interesting problem, specifically with British Telecom and French Ministry of Defense users of the product. It seems that keybuk.com and keybfr.com both trap the keyboard interrupt, and will process to completion, but are very timing sensitive. Because of the elongated timing of input processing (and, truly, the stupid way the keyboard driver wedges were glued in), when the local keyboard driver was installed, we would lose keystrokes. Without the local keyboard driver installed, we did not lose keystrokes. The culprit was the Paradise(tm) and ATI(tm) VGA cards in the machines that were being used at the installations. Their INT 10 BIOS would disable interrupts, wait for a vertical blanking interval, and do the data writes during the interval to avoid producing visible artifacts. Because they wanted to not be interrupted between the time they saw the vertical retrace, and the time they did their work, they disabled all interrupts. While this may be an acceptable thing to happen on a single user system, it's *NOT* an acceptable thing to happen whenever the screen saver (for example) kicks in on your NFS server (please, no whining about "NFS servers should be embedded systems without video or keyboards, and with a DEC VT102P and a DECWriter attached to the 'P' for printing the console output on paper"). If you must complain about my example, then I'll point out that it's not acceptable, either, to lose PPP syncronization and drop your window size and compression into the toilet on a single user FreeBSD box, just because you type ctl-alt-+ on the console to change display resoloution to better view the 640x480 WWW page on your normally 1600x1200 resoloution screen. I would think long and hard about the circumstances under which you let an INT 10 call be made. The other calls ar not so timing critical (well, a floppy tape drive running program would probably fail, too), but INT 10 is a bear, if you emulate STI/CTI via VMM traps and CR4, where available. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 00:41:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14135 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:41:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14112 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:41:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11769; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:41:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd011757; Tue May 5 00:41:12 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA17053; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:41:09 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805050741.AAA17053@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:41:09 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 3, 98 06:12:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Beware, dump/restore is also broken for large filesystems. I personally > think that dump/restore should be dropped from FreeBSD. Why would this be better than fixing it, considering the amount of offline storage that already exists in dump format? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 00:53:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16190 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:53:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16183 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:53:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17715; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:53:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd017705; Tue May 5 00:53:10 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA17757; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:53:07 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805050753.AAA17757@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:53:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 3, 98 10:51:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Really? Since dump/restore requires direct knowledge of filesystem > internals, it should probably be dropped for being a gross layering > violation alone. Assuming it can even capture a consistant view of an > active filesystem (I doubt it myself). dump/restore's idea of raw > filesystem access was a mistake. 1) You are not supposed to use it on mounted FS's. 2) By that reasoning, we should get rid of fsck. > But dump/restore has been broken forever. I hope that you don't have > any 4+GB filesystems that you are dumping, because you will get a nasty > surprise trying to restore it. The dump format would have to change to be 64 bits (or more). The fix is probably: struct statfs fssb; off_t tot; if( statfs( path, &fssb)) { perror( "statfs"); exit( EX_SOFTWARE); } tot = fssb.f_bsize; tot *= f_blocks; if( tot & 0xffffffff00000000LL) { fprintf( stderr, "fs is too large for dump\n"); exit( EX_DATAERR); } Meanwhile, break you FS's up; your backups will take less time, too. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 00:55:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16630 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:55:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from miris.lcs.mit.edu (root@miris.lcs.mit.edu [18.111.0.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16622 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:55:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beng@miris.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from miris.lcs.mit.edu (beng@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by miris.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA28510; Tue, 5 May 1998 03:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805050755.DAA28510@miris.lcs.mit.edu> To: Tom cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: dump/restore (Was Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 May 1998 21:09:15 PDT." From: Benjamin Greenwald X-Sender: beng@lcs.mit.edu Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 03:55:16 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG *snip* > > Dump/restore gains it's accuracy precisely because it breaks the abstractio n. > > UFS filesystems contain UFS specific info which utilities like tar don't > > capture, not to mention dump has better accuracy on very wierd files. This > > isn't a slight against tar... tar gains a great deal from being filesystem > > indifferent including speed (as you mentioned) and portability. > > Perhaps, but dump/restore is broken for large filesystems. Perhaps one > of the dump/restore advocates should fix it before a new user is swayed by > the rhetoric into using dump/restore, only to watch restore core dump on > large dumps. This is precisely what I am advocating... > > > There is simply no way to totally capture UFS without breaking the > > abstraction... if you're going to assume the filesystem type why not look a t > > the raw disk and so you really know what's going on? > > > > An obvious and simple example: imagine tar'ing up some files flaged uchg. How > > do you propose we make sure the restored files are also flaged uchg without > > assuming we are using UFS? > > uchg is just another file attribute, and could be supported on non-UFS > filesystems. An archiver should store all file attributes, and restore > them as possible. So you are saying that the archiver should be responsible for backing up every file attribute from every possible filesystem? How do you propose this be done? How do you propose the archiver even know these bits exist without knowing the underlying filesystem? > > Other problems with dump/restore: > > - Tape format is specific to dump, and can't be read anywhere else. The Dump isn't portable... it's not meant to be. It's meant to be accurate. What I've been saying all along is that if portablity is the issue, tar/pax/(insert other choice here) are absolutely the right choice. > > - You need to be read permissions to the raw filesystem to run dump. > > Tom > Tar and cousins are also absolutely the correct choice if you are just your average user (translate don't have read permission to the raw device) and only want a portion of the filesystem that you know you haven't done anything funky with. Dump isn't meant for bringing home files from the office... it's meant for admins who can't count on the contents of the filesystems to be well behaved and need assurances about the quality of the dumped image relative to the actual contents/metadata of the filesystem in the event of serious problems and/or catastrophic failure. Having done some sysadmin myself, I wouldn't trust my filesystems to tar for a second. In the event I fry every disk on my fileserver I want to know FOR SURE that no more than a day's work is going to be lost. Tar can't guanantee that... dump can... period. And if I had any partitions larger than 4GB, I'd look into the problem myself. -Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 00:56:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16901 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16891 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:56:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14359; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:56:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd014343; Tue May 5 00:56:34 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA17991; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:56:33 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805050756.AAA17991@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: dump/restore - broken? To: kpielorz@tdx.co.uk (Karl Pielorz) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:56:33 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <354D8551.D1D229AF@tdx.co.uk> from "Karl Pielorz" at May 4, 98 10:07:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Beware, dump/restore is also broken for large filesystems. I personally > > think that dump/restore should be dropped from FreeBSD. > > > > Tom > > Eeek! - Please don't tell me that! - I use dump and restore to backup 3 x > 9Gig filesystems on a monthly basis, and my own machines 12+Gb on a weekly > backup... > > Whats wrong with dump/restore? - I remember reading an article a while ago > (either somewhere on the freebsd.org site - or linked from their) discussing > the various backup methods (Tar, Amanda, Dump etc.) - saying that Dump comes > out on top for 'out the box' functionality, and ability to cope with > 'open/updated' files during the backup etc? 32 bit signed limit. The actual value is 2G * 512, since it goes by blocks. None of your FS's are 1TB, are they? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 00:57:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16977 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:57:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16960 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA02520; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd002518; Tue May 5 07:52:12 1998 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 00:52:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Bill Paul cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver In-Reply-To: <199805050505.BAA28835@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG neat! since it's a new driver and doesn't break anyone's existing functionality, when you get the first "it works", then I suggest it be checked in so that teh rest of the world can easily try it out.. particularly thise with compaq machines.. that'll get you a lot of testing a lot quicker.. sounds like you've done a thorough job! julian On Tue, 5 May 1998, Bill Paul wrote: > Recently I had a couple of Compaq machines with integrated ethernet > controllers foisted on me, and was lucky enough to be able to install > FreeBSD on one of them. Unfortunately, FreeBSD didn't support the Texas > Instruments ThunderLAN (tm) ethernet chip in this machine, so I took it > upon myself to write my own driver for it. > > After a whole two weeks worth of work, the driver is more or less > complete (inasmuch as it works for me), and now I'd like to find some > other people to test it before I slap it into the tree. I'm especially > interested in testers for FreeBSD 3.0-current: I initially developed > this driver for FreeBSD 2.2.6 and have only been able to test it there. > I've made the necessary changes to make it compile on -current, but > I can't trash this machine to install a -current snapshot to test it > as it's now more or less in production. > > The driver supports about a half-dozen Compaq Netelligent adapters and > Netflex integrated ethernet controllers. It also supports both the > ThunderLAN embedded physical interface (PHY) and external PHYs such as the > National Semiconductor DP83840A. It should also work with any other PHY > that is MII-compliant. With the DP83840A (or equivalent) PHY, both > 10Mbps and 100Mbps in half or full duplex are supported. The ThunderLAN's > built-in PHY only supports 10Mbps. Modes can be set either manually or > through autonegotiation. > > Although I have not tested it, it should also support some Texas Instruments > ethernet adapters based on the ThunderLAN chip as well. > > The driver is available at the following places: > > ftp.ctr.columbia.edu:/pub/misc/freebsd/thunderlan.tar.gz > ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/thunderlan.tar.gz > > The distribution includes if_tl.c, if_tlreg.h and a README which explains > how to build a kernel with ThunderLAN support. > > So far I've only run limited tests, but they've been encouraging. I have > a Proliant servera with a 300Mhz Pentium Pro with 512K cache and 64MB RAM > running FreeBSD 2.2.6 attached to a Cisco Catalyst 2900 10/100 switch. > I can achieve FTP transfers between this machine and a LoseNT Sewer 4.0 > system (with identical hardware except for extra RAM) at about 11.5MB/sec in > full duplex mode. The LoseNT machine is a little slower transmitting than > it is recveiving: transmitting from it to the FreeBSD system typically > runs at around 9.8Mb/sec. Transfers between the FreeBSD and another > LoseNT 4.0 Workstation machine, this one a Dell with an Intel EtherExpress > Pro 100B card, average about 11.5MB/sec both ways. > > I set up the driver to use PCI memory mapping to access the > ThunderLAN's registers as opposed to using programmed I/O, which is > what both the Linux and NetBSD drivers do. There probably isn't any > particular advantage to doing it this way, but it seemed niftier somehow. > I also set up the receive and transmit lists such that the chip DMA's > data directly between mbufs and its internal SRAM in order to avoid > buffer copies. The driver also includes ifmedia, multicast and BPF > support. > > I would appreciate if people running FreeBSD 2.2.6 that have Compaq > hardware could test this driver to make sure it works, and if people > running 3.0-current who know their way around the kernel networking > code could review the code to see if it actually does the right thing > on 3.0. My porting to 3.0 basically consisted of copying the driver > to bento.freebsd.org and hammering on it for a few minutes until it > compiled; odds are this was not enough. Please send bug reports, > success reports or patches to wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu. > > -Bill > > -- > ============================================================================= > -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu > Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research > Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City > ============================================================================= > "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" > ============================================================================= > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 01:04:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18179 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:04:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18157 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:04:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18220; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:04:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <354EC800.8FC1F9C8@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 09:04:16 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom CC: Benjamin Greenwald , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore broken? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom wrote: > Perhaps, but dump/restore is broken for large filesystems. Perhaps one > of the dump/restore advocates should fix it before a new user is swayed by > the rhetoric into using dump/restore, only to watch restore core dump on > large dumps. Just how large a file system does this need testing on? - I run it on 2 x 9Gig UFS systems and one 12Gig UFS filesystem - and it's not failed yet (Typically the file systems are at around 70% capacity when running dump). If dump/restore really is broken - I'd kinda like to know now, although the results of our last disaster recovery test (i.e. take a blank machine and 2 tapes) were successful... The only time I've seen problems with dump/restore was with a dodgy SCSI bus, in which case the dump would work fine - but the restore would either claim the tape was "not a dump tape", or it would core dump/panic at varying parts into the restore... Fixing the termination on the bus fixed this though - and it has been thoroughly tested... Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 01:09:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19262 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:09:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19243 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:09:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16404; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:09:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd016392; Tue May 5 01:09:13 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA18863; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:09:12 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805050809.BAA18863@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:09:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: the_reman@hotmail.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805050223.EAA07418@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at May 5, 98 04:23:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The fact that the card wants its own initialization, like any other > card in the world, does not mean it is not PnP, Sure it does. If it wants it's own init on top of the PnP BIOS configuration, the card is just "P". To be "nP", it has to actually "play" when you "plug" it. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 01:17:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21064 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:17:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (daemon@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20979 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:17:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22102; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:16:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd022089; Tue May 5 01:16:50 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA19281; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:16:48 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805050816.BAA19281@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:16:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: beng@lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 4, 98 09:09:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Perhaps, but dump/restore is broken for large filesystems. Perhaps one > of the dump/restore advocates should fix it before a new user is swayed by > the rhetoric into using dump/restore, only to watch restore core dump on > large dumps. Be happy to. Where is you real bug report that details the problem, instead of just stating that there is one? So far, all I have seen is a bit of FUD with no real basis below 1TB -- far out of the range claimed for the problem (4GB, which doesn't make sense anyway, since indirect blocks are negated, so at best you could claim 2GB because of the sign, IFF dump operated on byte offsets instead of block offsets, which it doesn't). > Other problems with dump/restore: > > - Tape format is specific to dump, and can't be read anywhere else. The > current large filesystem bug could be a data structure problem, which in > order to fix will break compatibility with old tapes! No. You write a different header that indicates that you are going to be using 63 instead of 31 bit offsets. The different header is only written in the case that the FS is large enough to trigger the alleged problem. > - You need to be read permissions to the raw filesystem to run dump. This is not a bug, it is a feature. If I can dump an FS without read permiision, I can take the tape to my own box and violate system security by reading the tape in there, where I have root privs. PS: how did you get write access to one raw device (the tape drive) an find yourself unable to get read access to a different raw device? PPS: sudo. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 01:21:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21950 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:21:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21849 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18721; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:20:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <354ECBE4.91F433BB@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 09:20:52 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore - broken? References: <199805050756.AAA17991@usr02.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > [snip] - re: Problems with Dump / Restore > > 32 bit signed limit. > > The actual value is 2G * 512, since it goes by blocks. None of your > FS's are 1TB, are they? If we took every drive in the building, and CCD'd them all together - we might _just_ make it to the 100Gb mark - which is 1/10th of a Terabyte, so I don't think we have to worry about that for a while... :-) Whats the limit on UFS for maximum size anyway? Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 01:31:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24324 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA24182 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:30:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA07855; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:53:25 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805050653.IAA07855@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:53:25 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: the_reman@hotmail.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805050809.BAA18863@usr02.primenet.com> from "Terry Lambert" at May 5, 98 08:08:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The fact that the card wants its own initialization, like any other > > card in the world, does not mean it is not PnP, for 'initialization' i mean writing bits to the io registers to configure the card to do the right thing (e.g. set the baud rate on a UART, or set the emulation mode on a sound card, etc.). The original poster mentioned the OPTI931 -- this card claims to be SB/WSS compatible, but you need to write to some of its registers to set the mode of operation you like, or just be happy with what the card does by default luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 01:48:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28148 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28092 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:47:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id KAA29432; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:47:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:47:57 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Cc: "Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=2C?= \"David E. Cross\"" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 05 May 1998 10:47:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: Tom's message of "Mon, 4 May 1998 11:22:04 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id BAA28105 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom writes: > On 4 May 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan [iso-8859-1] Smørgrav wrote: > > Tom writes: > > > Not enough mbufs. Increase MAXUSERS or NMBCLUSTERS > > Does anybody have a thumb rule for the amount of mbuf clusters needed? > What are you at now? If you have MAXUSERS set to 64 (which you should > probably do anyhow for servers), you will have a large number of mbufs. I have maxusers set at 64, which should give me 512 + 64 * 16 = 1536 mbufs, but that is apparently not enough. I made world yesterday and recompiled my kernel with NBUF set to 2048 and NMBCLUSTERS set to 8192. That ought to be enough (and with 128 MB of RAM, I'm not really short on memory) > You can use "netstat -m" to look at current usage, and the high-water I'll try that. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 01:52:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28880 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28869 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13579; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:52:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd013555; Tue May 5 01:52:04 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA21309; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:52:02 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805050852.BAA21309@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: dump/restore - broken? To: kpielorz@tdx.co.uk (Karl Pielorz) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:52:02 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <354ECBE4.91F433BB@tdx.co.uk> from "Karl Pielorz" at May 5, 98 09:20:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > [snip] - re: Problems with Dump / Restore > > > > 32 bit signed limit. > > > > The actual value is 2G * 512, since it goes by blocks. None of your > > FS's are 1TB, are they? > > If we took every drive in the building, and CCD'd them all together - we > might _just_ make it to the 100Gb mark - which is 1/10th of a Terabyte, so I > don't think we have to worry about that for a while... :-) > > Whats the limit on UFS for maximum size anyway? I believe Satoshi Asami was attempting to build a CCD array in excess of 1TB. A number of fixes went in as he hit some of the larger amounts of disk. It may not have been Satoshi; it was one of the guys at Berkeley itself, but my memory says "Satoshi". I don't know if he tried a dump/restore on it; I think he was spending all his money on disks, not tape robots. ;-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 02:38:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05937 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 02:38:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schubert.Promo.DE (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05847; Tue, 5 May 1998 02:38:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from d254.promo.de (d254.Promo.DE [194.45.188.254]) by schubert.Promo.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10215; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:36:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 11:37:33 +0200 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: "Stefan Esser" cc: "Chuck Robey" , "Nicolas Souchu" , "FreeBSD Hackers" Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? Message-ID: <196633.3103357053@d254.promo.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a3, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --On Mon, 4. Mai 1998 22:42 Uhr +0200 "Stefan Esser" wrote: > On 1998-05-04 13:41 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: >> Also, for PCI, FreeBSD relies on the BIOS32 interface for card >> configuration. > > Really ? > > And I thought I did know the inner workings of the PCI code ... ;-) Sorry. I better look into the source before making claims... Btw., you might want to adjust the comments in sys/i386/isa/pcibus.c, they might prove to be somewhat misleading. Sorry, Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 02:47:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07336 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 02:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schubert.Promo.DE (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07291 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 02:46:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from d254.promo.de (d254.Promo.DE [194.45.188.254]) by schubert.Promo.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10233; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:42:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 11:44:17 +0200 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: "Luigi Rizzo" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? Message-ID: <220969.3103357457@d254.promo.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a3, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --On Mon, 4. Mai 1998 14:01 Uhr +0200 "Luigi Rizzo" wrote: >> I've just bought an ISA-PnP soundcard, but my old Asus 486SP3G BIOS' doesn't > > boot with -c and use the manual pnp configuration instruction Thanks. I might want to take some time off and start reading man pages again. However, my expectation was that the card would have been configured automagically, despite the lack of the BIOS; or, more specifically, I would expect the PnP code to auto-configure all PnP devices if there seems to be no PnP BIOS support. Is there any particular reason (besides lack of interest or resources) for no implementing this? Thanks, Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 03:34:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA13224 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 03:34:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA13202 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id MAA14662; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:34:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:34:37 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Pielorz Cc: Terry Lambert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Followup-To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dump/restore - broken? References: <199805050756.AAA17991@usr02.primenet.com> <354ECBE4.91F433BB@tdx.co.uk> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 05 May 1998 12:34:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: Karl Pielorz's message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 09:20:52 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Karl Pielorz writes: > If we took every drive in the building, and CCD'd them all together - we > might _just_ make it to the 100Gb mark - which is 1/10th of a Terabyte, so I > don't think we have to worry about that for a while... :-) What a wimp :) dag-erli@hrotti ~$ hostname hrotti.ifi.uio.no dag-erli@hrotti ~$ df | awk '{ n += $2 } END { print n }' 310254931 And that's not counting the local disks in the 100+ workstations in the building (500 MB in each Indy, 1.5 GB in each Ultra, totalling around 150 GB) Unfortunately, not a single one of these boxes runs FreeBSD (then again, none of them are Intel boxes either...) -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 04:19:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21105 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 04:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21098 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 04:19:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA17719; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:19:15 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA10347; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:19:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980505131914.35167@follo.net> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:19:14 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? References: <199805032004.NAA01429@rah.star-gate.com> <199805050739.AAA16950@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805050739.AAA16950@usr02.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 07:39:23AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 07:39:23AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > We don't use bios calls for drivers however very recently someone checked in > > code to make bios calls which can come in handy for video adapters video > > modes. > > Making INT 10 calls is generally a bad idea. > > It requires taking down most of the outstanding operations manually > from the kernel side, in the expectation of CLI/STI/etc.. > > This is because it is common practice for video cards with DRAM, > and some with "VRAM" (dual ported RAM) that have inherited BIOS > code from a DRAM card, to disable all interrupts while doing any > INT 10 processing. So far, the plans are only to use the INT 10 calls to switch back the resultion when a panic() occur, to let an X user see the panic message. At that point, I hardly think disabling the interrupts matter :-) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 06:04:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06163 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 06:04:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from surnet.ru (titanik.surnet.ru [195.54.2.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA06140 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from subbsta@surnet.ru) Received: (from subbsta@localhost) by surnet.ru (8.7.2/Murphy) id TAA12301 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:04:31 +0600 (UDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:04:31 +0600 (UDT) From: Alexey V Ivanov Message-Id: <199805051304.TAA12301@surnet.ru> To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. I'm new in this group. And i have some questions. 1. How can i read mail from FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org 2. I'm research driver for Digiboard PC/Xem, PC/Xr, PC/Xeve, PC/Xe, PC/Xi on freebsd. and where i can upload it. 3. I'm research tacacs server with mSQL database support. 4. in few days later im finish research driver for Compaq Ethernet adapter. if any body see me write me please. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 06:15:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08093 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 06:15:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (root@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08028 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 06:15:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@watch.out.for.the.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.252]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA03641; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:14:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:14:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: Bill Paul cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver In-Reply-To: <199805050505.BAA28835@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Bill Paul wrote: > I would appreciate if people running FreeBSD 2.2.6 that have Compaq > hardware could test this driver to make sure it works, and if people I have an older Compaq ProsiginiaVS server (486-66, EISA) running 2.2.5 which has onboard Ethernet and SCSI, neither of which I got working (the onboard Ether is a Lance/PCnet chip, i think, so it should work), and the SCSI is an NCR chip of some kind. I do have a Compaq (Netflex2/TR??) card sitting in a drawer that was Ethernet/TokenRing selectable, and I might be able to pop it back into Ethernet mode, plug it in, and test it out, maybe even as early as July. ;-> (production box).. I wish someone would come up with a driver for the stinkin' Compaq SCSI stuff, too. :-) -- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@inter-linc.net --- cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) (http://www.freebsd.org) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 06:27:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11833 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 06:27:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11752 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 06:27:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Received: from pr-comm.com (prcomm.roc.servtech.com [204.181.3.14]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08502 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:20:22 GMT Received: from pr-comm.com (housley@hatchling.int.pr-comm.com [192.168.70.48]) by pr-comm.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24127 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:12:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Message-ID: <354F105B.6A542E1@pr-comm.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 09:12:59 -0400 From: "James E. Housley" Organization: PR Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ftp.gulf.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have noticed that ftp.gulf.net, used the the sendmail_additions, for the SPAM ips and domains is not responding and hasn't for a while. Is that list available else where? Jim -- James E. Housley PGP: 1024/03983B4D PR Communications, Inc. 2C 3F 3A 0D A8 D8 C3 13 www.servtech.com/public/pr-comm 7C F0 B5 BF 27 8B 92 FE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 07:13:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21964 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:13:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA21955 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:13:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA18915; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:13:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:13:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: an interesting problem with pkg_add Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here you go: I ran the following: pkg_add -f ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CVSup/cvsupit.tgz Then I ^C because as usual our network connection got awful. As i write this, there is an rm -r running on /. I am losing my system. I'm going to let it go because it got too far before I caught it, the following clued me in: rm: /proc/0/segs: Read-only file system rm: /proc/0: Read-only file system etc, etc, etc. rm: /proc: Device busy It will be interesting to see how long this machine lasts with this rm running :-) anyway I think this indicates a bug in pkg_add :-) Eating all of one's hard disk is hardly a good thing. Guess I'll run linux on this machine for a while, til i get over the shock. ron Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 07:51:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27312 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:51:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27299 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA01043; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:51:29 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA00916; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:51:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980505165123.20240@follo.net> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:51:23 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Ron G. Minnich" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: an interesting problem with pkg_add References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Ron G. Minnich on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 10:13:14AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 10:13:14AM -0400, Ron G. Minnich wrote: > Here you go: I ran the following: > pkg_add -f ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CVSup/cvsupit.tgz > > Then I ^C because as usual our network connection got awful. > > As i write this, there is an rm -r running on /. I am losing my system. > I'm going to let it go because it got too far before I caught it, the I'm assuming you mean that an 'rm -rf' is going on your system? Otherwise, I can't see anywhere where it could have come from pkg_add. > It will be interesting to see how long this machine lasts with this rm > running :-) > > anyway I think this indicates a bug in pkg_add :-) I'd guess it does. Sounds like the PenLocation variable of pkg_add has been garbled somehow - this can (theoretically) happen if your quit-signal comes while the filename is being copied into that variable. This probably mean we should add some locking here - but I don't know how easy it will be to do. > Eating all of one's hard disk is hardly a good thing. Guess I'll run > linux on this machine for a while, til i get over the shock. Eating filesystems for breakfast is very bad program behaviour. BAAD program. Go sit in the corner the next two hours ;-) Actually, I guess it was lucky you were the one that was caught by this - if I've understood correctly, you have good error-recoverability. It would probably have been more of a disaster for a random user. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 07:56:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28065 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:56:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28046 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:56:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA01310; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:56:04 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA00935; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:56:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980505165604.36955@follo.net> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:56:04 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Chris Dillon , Bill Paul Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver References: <199805050505.BAA28835@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Dillon on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 08:14:52AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 08:14:52AM -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Bill Paul wrote: > > > I would appreciate if people running FreeBSD 2.2.6 that have Compaq > > hardware could test this driver to make sure it works, and if people > > I have an older Compaq ProsiginiaVS server (486-66, EISA) running 2.2.5 > which has onboard Ethernet and SCSI, neither of which I got working (the > onboard Ether is a Lance/PCnet chip, i think, so it should work), and the > SCSI is an NCR chip of some kind. I do have a Compaq (Netflex2/TR??) card > sitting in a drawer that was Ethernet/TokenRing selectable, and I might be > able to pop it back into Ethernet mode, plug it in, and test it out, maybe > even as early as July. ;-> (production box).. I wish someone would come up > with a driver for the stinkin' Compaq SCSI stuff, too. :-) The stinkin' Compaq SCSI stuff worked fine for me, but I never took that box beyond 2.1 (I've quit the company where I used it). Ditto for the Lance-based NetFlexes. There were some initial problems getting the PCI probed correctly, but merging from (then) 2.2-current made them go away. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 08:09:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29785 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:09:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29776 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:09:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21690; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:02:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id KAA25805; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:01:31 -0500 Message-ID: <19980505100131.16512@right.PCS> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:01:31 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Terry Lambert Cc: Amancio Hasty , chuckr@Glue.umd.edu, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? References: <199805032004.NAA01429@rah.star-gate.com> <199805050739.AAA16950@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: <199805050739.AAA16950@usr02.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on May 05, 1998 at 07:39:23AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On May 05, 1998 at 07:39:23AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > We don't use bios calls for drivers however very recently someone checked in > > code to make bios calls which can come in handy for video adapters video > > modes. > > Making INT 10 calls is generally a bad idea. First off, let me say that I agree with this. I'm just providing more rope for interested developers. :-) Besides, wasn't it you who wanted an INT 10 disk-driver as a fallback mechanism? > It requires taking down most of the outstanding operations manually > from the kernel side, in the expectation of CLI/STI/etc.. But this is wrong. Our real-mode INT calls are done in a vm86 sandbox, so they never actually get their grubby hands on the actual PSL_I bit. This will probably break things that are timing sensitive, but I'd argue that those things are better suited for a real kernel driver anyway. [ snippage of timing-related issues due to interrupts being disabled ] -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 08:19:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01629 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01600; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:19:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Tue May 5 10:00 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA20754; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:19:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:18:47 -0400 Message-ID: To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, opsys@mail.webspan.net, shmit@kublai.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:18:45 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: Brian Cully[SMTP:shmit@kublai.com] > > I had the same problem Chris describes, but it had to do with not > coping > the .B.blend and .Bfs files into my home directory. > I had no problem with starting it with XFree86 and CL5462 graphics card. Even without .B* files in home directory (but with them in current directory). > It's a pretty slick package, but DOG slow on my P-166. > I have AMD K6/233. I tried to run only one tutor that seemed smaller, tutor2 with sphere and box and after I started animation as described, Blender ate all the processor power but I got absolutely no effects on the screen. May be someone can please point me what I did wrong ? Another question is how to exit from Blender ? It seems to be quite not obvious and I have found no answer in manual. The only way I found was to kill it from another session. Thanks! -Serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 08:24:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03065 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:24:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA03020 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA19233; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:22:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:22:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: Eivind Eklund cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: an interesting problem with pkg_add In-Reply-To: <19980505165123.20240@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG it may have been am rm -rf. Ps disappeared before I could find out :-) It ran a little longer, then died when I exited X11. ron Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 08:27:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03632 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA03610 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:27:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA29903; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:27:54 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199805051527.LAA29903@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Cc: cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980505165604.36955@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at May 5, 98 04:56:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Eivind Eklund had to walk into mine and say: > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 08:14:52AM -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: > > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Bill Paul wrote: > > > > > I would appreciate if people running FreeBSD 2.2.6 that have Compaq > > > hardware could test this driver to make sure it works, and if people > > > > I have an older Compaq ProsiginiaVS server (486-66, EISA) running 2.2.5 > > which has onboard Ethernet and SCSI, neither of which I got working (the > > onboard Ether is a Lance/PCnet chip, i think, so it should work), and the > > SCSI is an NCR chip of some kind. I do have a Compaq (Netflex2/TR??) card > > sitting in a drawer that was Ethernet/TokenRing selectable, and I might be > > able to pop it back into Ethernet mode, plug it in, and test it out, maybe > > even as early as July. ;-> (production box).. I wish someone would come up > > with a driver for the stinkin' Compaq SCSI stuff, too. :-) Well, the ThunerLAN is a PCI-only chip and looks nothing like the LANCE in terms of its programming interface, so I can't help you there. A lot of the time the hard part is getting the chip probed correctly; if it is a LANCE then maybe the le driver will work with it, but you have to make the le driver realize it's there first. Also, the ThunderLAN chip does support either ethernet or token ring physical interfaces (PHYs) so it's very likely that the Netflex card you have is a ThunderLAN and will work with this driver, provided it's a PCI adapter. I didn't include token ring support though. > The stinkin' Compaq SCSI stuff worked fine for me, but I never took > that box beyond 2.1 (I've quit the company where I used it). Ditto > for the Lance-based NetFlexes. > > There were some initial problems getting the PCI probed correctly, but > merging from (then) 2.2-current made them go away. > > Eivind. The Prosignia server I have uses an NCR SCSI card in one of its PCI slots. Dmesg says: Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0:0 vga0 rev 0 on pci0:11:0 ncr0 rev 4 int a irq 5 on pci0:12:0 (ncr0:0:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled(ncr0:0:0): 10.0 MB/s (200 ns, offset 15) (ncr0:0:0): "COMPAQ WDE4360W 1.52" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access sd0(ncr0:0:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled sd0(ncr0:0:0): 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) 4094MB (8386000 512 byte sectors) tlc0 rev 16 int a irq 9 on pci0:16:0 tlc0: Ethernet address: 00:80:5f:7d:fb:b7 tl0 at tlc0 physical interface 1 tl0: 10/100Mbps full duplex autonegotiating tl0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mb/s) chip1 rev 1 on pci0:20:0 chip2 rev 0 on pci0:20:1 It's worked fine from the moment I booted the FreeBSD 2.2.6 install kernel. Which reminds me: both the Prosignia and Deskpro machines that I have access to use ATAPI CD-ROM drives, however you can boot from them. (Same is true of the newer Dells I've seen.) It's great to be able to just pop CD #1 into the drive, reset the machine, and go. It's also wonderful for recovery: boot from install CD, then select fixit mode using the live filesystem CD and presto! you have a whole recovery system running off CD. Now if you could boot from the life filesystem CD and have the kernel mount it as the rootfs... be still my heart. Old habits die hard though: I still spent ten minutes rummaging around for a floppy before it occured to me to try booting from CD. :) One thing I have noticed about the NCR SCSI subsystem though. While I was working on the driver I used a debugging kernel built using config -g. This results in a large kernel image because of all the debug symbols; typically the image was 9MB or so. (Of course used strip -d to make a second image to actually boot from; the debug image is just for gdb.) When time came to link the image, this naturally resulted in a lot of disk activity, however I noticed that during this time, there seemed to be a delay when trying to initiate disk I/O in another process. That is, if I switched to another terminal and tried to do an 'ls -l' on some directory (which hadn't been cached yet) while the kernel was linking, the 'ls' command would hang there for a second or so until the disk activity from the linker process died down. In other words, it seems as though one I/O bound process can sort of monopolize the SCSI bus. This could easily be SOP, but I hadn't noticed behavior like this with other hardware before. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 08:29:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04366 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:29:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04318 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:29:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11154; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Eivind Eklund cc: "Ron G. Minnich" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: an interesting problem with pkg_add In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 16:51:23 +0200." <19980505165123.20240@follo.net> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 08:28:59 -0700 Message-ID: <11151.894382139@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Eating filesystems for breakfast is very bad program behaviour. BAAD > program. Go sit in the corner the next two hours ;-) It used to do that a revision or two back, but pkg_add has been a much less ambitious remover of files for some time now. I can only conclude that the poster had a pre-2.2.6 version of pkg_add there? It's been extensively reported on, in any case, and I *did* fix the bug finally. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 09:29:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14459 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:29:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14403 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWkAz-0005jQ-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:02:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199805050753.AAA17757@usr02.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Really? Since dump/restore requires direct knowledge of filesystem > > internals, it should probably be dropped for being a gross layering > > violation alone. Assuming it can even capture a consistant view of an > > active filesystem (I doubt it myself). dump/restore's idea of raw > > filesystem access was a mistake. > > 1) You are not supposed to use it on mounted FS's. Really? That isn't in the manual. It also makes it useless for 24x7 servers. ... > Meanwhile, break you FS's up; your backups will take less time, too. 4GB filesystems are rather limiting. It places a large burden on the administrator to constantly balance storage needs. No thanks. I'm not sure why backing up 8 x 4GB filesystems, as opposed to 1 x 32GB filesystem would be faster. I think you need to donate your time at site that runs some 24x7 servers, so you can some reality experience. > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 09:38:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16020 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:38:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerebus.nectar.com (cerebus.nectar.com [204.27.67.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15994 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@cerebus.nectar.com) Received: from cerebus.nectar.com (localhost.communique.net [127.0.0.1]) by cerebus.nectar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22477; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:37:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805051637.LAA22477@cerebus.nectar.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Pgp-Rsafprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-Pgp-Rsakey: http://pgp.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x094724A9 From: Jacques Vidrine To: Eivind Eklund Cc: "Ron G. Minnich" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980505165123.20240@follo.net> References: <19980505165123.20240@follo.net> Subject: Re: an interesting problem with pkg_add Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 11:37:44 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Just FYI, FWIW. This has bitten me in the past. I'd start a pkg_add, forgetting to be root first. Upon realizing I was not root, I hit ^C. Boom, no more home directory. Apparently, rm -rf * in your current working directory. After two times, I've not ^C'd pkg_add ever again. This was in the 2.1.5 - 2.2-GAMMA timeframe that I saw the behavior. Jacques Vidrine On 5 May 1998 at 16:51, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 10:13:14AM -0400, Ron G. Minnich wrote: > > Here you go: I ran the following: > > pkg_add -f ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CVSup/cvsupit.tgz > > > > Then I ^C because as usual our network connection got awful. > > > > As i write this, there is an rm -r running on /. I am losing my system. > > I'm going to let it go because it got too far before I caught it, the > > I'm assuming you mean that an 'rm -rf' is going on your system? > Otherwise, I can't see anywhere where it could have come from pkg_add. > > > It will be interesting to see how long this machine lasts with this rm > > running :-) > > > > anyway I think this indicates a bug in pkg_add :-) > > I'd guess it does. Sounds like the PenLocation variable of pkg_add > has been garbled somehow - this can (theoretically) happen if your > quit-signal comes while the filename is being copied into that > variable. > > This probably mean we should add some locking here - but I don't know > how easy it will be to do. > > > Eating all of one's hard disk is hardly a good thing. Guess I'll run > > linux on this machine for a while, til i get over the shock. > > Eating filesystems for breakfast is very bad program behaviour. BAAD > program. Go sit in the corner the next two hours ;-) > > Actually, I guess it was lucky you were the one that was caught by > this - if I've understood correctly, you have good > error-recoverability. It would probably have been more of a disaster > for a random user. > > Eivind. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNU9AWDeRhT8JRySpAQFxNgP+NsxnOecpfODodbzQ9vvDn6xYaSxEjHwN +8zxUsXQ285vZfZ4Ql+HhhGzvNPKzpBrhe8Jjf4C+i2UF61X8Noue1oWkmUQkxT8 9OK/poDm2OAIm55AkqyLqHy86nj24/FuaymtTUbwBEr4o9gA8SgBJFXi5Ngps/xf 6MbVTSuOT0A= =EFdo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 09:42:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17004 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:42:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16978 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWkOB-0005kH-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:16:19 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:16:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: beng@lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199805050816.BAA19281@usr02.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Perhaps, but dump/restore is broken for large filesystems. Perhaps one > > of the dump/restore advocates should fix it before a new user is swayed by > > the rhetoric into using dump/restore, only to watch restore core dump on > > large dumps. > > Be happy to. Where is you real bug report that details the problem, > instead of just stating that there is one? So far, all I have seen Posted Apr 16 to freebsd-stable. The only response that I received was from someone that said, "thats just like the PR that I sent a long time ago". Anyhow, basically any kind of restore operation (restore -t, or restore -r) results in an immediate "hole in map" response, with a "abort? [yn]" prompt, and then about three seconds later, a segmentation fault. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 09:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19298 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from our.domaintje.com (our.domaintje.com [194.178.252.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19246; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@our.domaintje.com) Received: from our.domaintje.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.178.252.9] EHLO our.domaintje.com ident: IDENT-NONSENSE [port 29189]) by our.domaintje.com with ESMTP id <7875-181>; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:52:30 +0200 To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, opsys@mail.webspan.net, shmit@kublai.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 11:18:45 EDT." Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 18:52:16 +0200 From: Frank Ederveen Message-Id: <19980505165230Z7875-181+50@our.domaintje.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sbabkin wrote: > Another question is how to exit from Blender ? It seems to be quite > not obvious and I have found no answer in manual. The only way I found > was to kill it from another session. Thanks! Tried 'q' ? A table of keys/functions would be extremely welcome, and shouldn't be too hard to come up with for someone who knows Blender well. Regards, FrankE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 09:53:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19515 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19449 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:53:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA23858; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:52:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre To: "Ron G. Minnich" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: an interesting problem with pkg_add In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had this happen to me back in the days of 2.1.5, only it was just my home directory that got eaten. JKH assured me that the bug was fixed in 2.1.6. :-( Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 09:59:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21286 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21253 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:59:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Tue May 5 11:59 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA24269 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:58:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:58:47 -0400 Message-ID: To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Character major number request: loopback ethernet Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:58:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Should I have sent this request to -current instead of -hackers ? I would like to get the character major number for loopback pseudo-Ethernet driver. This is intended to be used as interface for network access from pcemu (and may be from other emulators also in future). The current driver name is "loe". This driver has two access methods, network and character. The first one is for access from FreeBSD, the second one for emulators. The device is configured like pseudo-device loe 4 that brings up network interfaces loe[0-3] and character devices /dev/loe[0-3]. All of them are connected to the same virtual Ethernet bus. Each logical interface can be configured in FreeBSD or used as interface for pcemu (one pcemu for one interface, so in the example above one interface must be configured in FreeBSD for routing and 3 interfaces can be used to run 3 copies of pcemu with network access simultaneously). -Serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 10:25:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27307 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:25:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27126 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id TAA08944 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:24:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id IAA11437 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:26:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980505082641.A11421@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:26:41 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980504112223.47105@hightek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Tom on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:37:07AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4245 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Tom: > There is also the commercial BRU for FreeBSD. It does compression by > file, and has great verify features. For larger (and richer) environments, there is an unofficial Legato client for 2.2.x. I've been using it for more than 4 months at work and it is working really fine. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #8: Tue Apr 21 02:45:53 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 10:30:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28626 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:30:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from altos.rnd.runnet.ru (root@altos.rnd.runnet.ru [195.208.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28378 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from max@rnd.runnet.ru) Received: from localhost (max@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by altos.rnd.runnet.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA10629; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:29:51 +0400 (MSD) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:29:51 +0400 (MSD) From: Maxim Bolotin To: Mike Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IBM EtherJet (cs8920) driver. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-899763362-894389391=:8507" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-899763362-894389391=:8507 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Maxim Bolotin wrote: > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > G'day Max! > > > > > As I write year ago, We have driver for IBM EtherJet ethernet card. > > > It's cs8920M chip based card. TP only. We have 70 computers with > > > FreeBSD 2.2.5, work 1 year. I make some style changes of code, and > > > I want commite it. What have I to do it. > > > > I looked at your driver last year, and made some suggestions then, but > > never heard back from you. If your driver is available somewhere for > > FTP, I'll do the same again. I think I should be able to obtain one of > > these cards for testing as well, and once we're both happy, I'll arrange > > for it to be committed. > Hi! Here's rev. 1.5 with BPF, multicast, combo-media. 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10:45:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02486 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (root@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02474 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:44:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00520; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:44:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:44:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: Eivind Eklund cc: Bill Paul , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver In-Reply-To: <19980505165604.36955@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 08:14:52AM -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: > > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Bill Paul wrote: > > > > > I would appreciate if people running FreeBSD 2.2.6 that have Compaq > > > hardware could test this driver to make sure it works, and if people > > > > I have an older Compaq ProsiginiaVS server (486-66, EISA) running 2.2.5 > > which has onboard Ethernet and SCSI, neither of which I got working (the > > onboard Ether is a Lance/PCnet chip, i think, so it should work), and the > > SCSI is an NCR chip of some kind. I do have a Compaq (Netflex2/TR??) card > > sitting in a drawer that was Ethernet/TokenRing selectable, and I might be > > able to pop it back into Ethernet mode, plug it in, and test it out, maybe > > even as early as July. ;-> (production box).. I wish someone would come up > > with a driver for the stinkin' Compaq SCSI stuff, too. :-) > > The stinkin' Compaq SCSI stuff worked fine for me, but I never took > that box beyond 2.1 (I've quit the company where I used it). Ditto > for the Lance-based NetFlexes. Yeah, i know the Lance based stuff should work (in fact I think I did get it to work, and opted instead for a 3COM 3c509 i had laying around), but the onboard SCSI was never detected. You must have had to patch something to get that to work.. Mind sharing those patches? :-) I have the onboard SCSI and possibly a "Compaq WIDE SCSI" controller I would like to get to work. I have an Adaptec 2742(aic7770) EISA card in there now and it has worked very well, but the more SCSI busses the merrier. > There were some initial problems getting the PCI probed correctly, but > merging from (then) 2.2-current made them go away. This is an entirely EISA system, and sufficiently old enough that the "stinkin' Compaq SCSI" may not be supported like it is on your system. I remember looking through the mailing lists to see if anything came up about the particular controller this thing has embedded in it (I forget which, exactly), and all I could find was "It's not supported". -- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@inter-linc.net --- cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) (http://www.freebsd.org) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 10:53:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03759 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (root@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03736 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00567; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:52:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:52:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: Bill Paul cc: Eivind Eklund , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver In-Reply-To: <199805051527.LAA29903@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Bill Paul wrote: > Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Eivind Eklund > had to walk into mine and say: > > > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 08:14:52AM -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: > > > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Bill Paul wrote: > > > > > > > I would appreciate if people running FreeBSD 2.2.6 that have Compaq > > > > hardware could test this driver to make sure it works, and if people > > > > > > I have an older Compaq ProsiginiaVS server (486-66, EISA) running 2.2.5 > > > which has onboard Ethernet and SCSI, neither of which I got working (the > > > onboard Ether is a Lance/PCnet chip, i think, so it should work), and the > > > SCSI is an NCR chip of some kind. I do have a Compaq (Netflex2/TR??) card > > > sitting in a drawer that was Ethernet/TokenRing selectable, and I might be > > > able to pop it back into Ethernet mode, plug it in, and test it out, maybe > > > even as early as July. ;-> (production box).. I wish someone would come up > > > with a driver for the stinkin' Compaq SCSI stuff, too. :-) > > Well, the ThunerLAN is a PCI-only chip and looks nothing like the LANCE > in terms of its programming interface, so I can't help you there. A lot > of the time the hard part is getting the chip probed correctly; if it is > a LANCE then maybe the le driver will work with it, but you have to make > the le driver realize it's there first. > > Also, the ThunderLAN chip does support either ethernet or token ring > physical interfaces (PHYs) so it's very likely that the Netflex card > you have is a ThunderLAN and will work with this driver, provided it's > a PCI adapter. I didn't include token ring support though. I may be confusing something else termed (marketed) on those cards as Thunder-something (TI ThunderPacket?). Sorry if I've wasted a lot of bandwidth already. :-) > > The stinkin' Compaq SCSI stuff worked fine for me, but I never took > > that box beyond 2.1 (I've quit the company where I used it). Ditto > > for the Lance-based NetFlexes. > > > > There were some initial problems getting the PCI probed correctly, but > > merging from (then) 2.2-current made them go away. > > > > Eivind. > > The Prosignia server I have uses an NCR SCSI card in one of its PCI > slots. Dmesg says: This has an NCR controller embedded in it also, but not the 53c875 or anything like it. Wasn't there some kind of NCR Ethernet/SCSI combo chip available at one time? That may be what this is. I'll poke my head in the box when I get back to work and look, though I know people have asked questions about it ages ago in these lists, since I searched them several months ago. -- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@inter-linc.net --- cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) (http://www.freebsd.org) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 11:01:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05089 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05008 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:01:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19999; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:01:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Snob Art Genre cc: "Ron G. Minnich" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: an interesting problem with pkg_add In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 12:52:52 EDT." Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 11:01:14 -0700 Message-ID: <19995.894391274@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I had this happen to me back in the days of 2.1.5, only it was just my > home directory that got eaten. > > JKH assured me that the bug was fixed in 2.1.6. :-( There were two bugs in the cleanup code. One removed everything in the current directory on ^C if you whapped it at just the right time and I fixed it right after 2.1.5 came out. The other bug removed everything the current directory on ^C if you whapped it at just the right time and I fixed it right after 2.2.5 came out. :-) [yes, exact same symptoms, different bugs]. I know these bugs were extremely pathological and if I hadn't already done my best to chase down and fix them, I'd feel a lot worse than I do right now about it. Having fixed it (knock on wood), all I can say at this stage is "man, I'm sorry Ron! I hope you had backups and I only wish you'd hit ^C *after* the package tools had been upgraded to 2.2-stable!" :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 11:19:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08115 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08084; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:18:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02821; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:17:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805051817.LAA02821@rah.star-gate.com> To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, opsys@mail.webspan.net, shmit@kublai.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 11:18:45 EDT." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2818.894392264.1@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 11:17:45 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To exit hit "q" and that is on the manual. Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 12:06:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16402 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:06:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16380 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:06:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWmcz-0005sO-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:39:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Ollivier Robert cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <19980505082641.A11421@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Tom: > > There is also the commercial BRU for FreeBSD. It does compression by > > file, and has great verify features. > > For larger (and richer) environments, there is an unofficial Legato client > for 2.2.x. I've been using it for more than 4 months at work and it is > working really fine. But the Legato server is not available for FreeBSD. If you have only a moderate amount of data to backup, you might as well just backup to other cheaper disks. I setup an NFS server with 4 x 8.4GB IDE drives just for backups. The disks are slow and unreliable by disk standards, but fast and reliable by tape standards. > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #8: Tue Apr 21 02:45:53 CEST 1998 Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 12:48:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23307 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23294 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:48:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08603; Tue, 5 May 1998 20:48:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <354F6D1D.47530E6C@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:48:45 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore broken? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom wrote: > > Posted Apr 16 to freebsd-stable. The only response that I received was > from someone that said, "thats just like the PR that I sent a long time > ago". > > Anyhow, basically any kind of restore operation (restore -t, or > restore -r) results in an immediate "hole in map" response, with a "abort? > [yn]" prompt, and then about three seconds later, a segmentation fault. I think you need to be a bit more specific... So, your saying that if I run a dump - and then later go to restore it, or check what's on a previously 'dumped' tape by running: restore t It's going to barf? - Because it doesn't on my system... It's never barfed on a 't' - and only once on a restore (but that as I've already said) was due to bad termination... Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 13:27:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29396 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:27:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA29369 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWnt6-0005wF-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:00:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Karl Pielorz cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore broken? In-Reply-To: <354F6D1D.47530E6C@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Tom wrote: > > > > > Posted Apr 16 to freebsd-stable. The only response that I received was > > from someone that said, "thats just like the PR that I sent a long time > > ago". > > > > Anyhow, basically any kind of restore operation (restore -t, or > > restore -r) results in an immediate "hole in map" response, with a "abort? > > [yn]" prompt, and then about three seconds later, a segmentation fault. > > I think you need to be a bit more specific... So, your saying that if I run > a dump - and then later go to restore it, or check what's on a previously > 'dumped' tape by running: > > restore t That is exactly what I'm saying. You should look at bin/4683. I didn't report this one, but this poster believes it is sparse file problem. I don't think I'm backing up any sparse file on my filesystem (just user data). > It's going to barf? - Because it doesn't on my system... It's never barfed Then you don't have the "hole in map" problem. But when you do, you won't like it much, as dump will create a damaged archive, then restore will almost immediately croak reading it. > on a 't' - and only once on a restore (but that as I've already said) was > due to bad termination... That shouldn't happen. Do you have parity turned on both the controller and the tape drive? > Regards, > > Karl Pielorz Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 13:33:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00712 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00562 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:32:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWnz1-0005wq-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:06:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Benjamin Greenwald cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore (Was Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE) In-Reply-To: <199805050755.DAA28510@miris.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Benjamin Greenwald wrote: > > uchg is just another file attribute, and could be supported on non-UFS > > filesystems. An archiver should store all file attributes, and restore > > them as possible. > > So you are saying that the archiver should be responsible for backing up every > file attribute from every possible filesystem? How do you propose this be > done? How do you propose the archiver even know these bits exist without > knowing the underlying filesystem? uchg could be supported on other filesystems. The archiver should back up all attributes it knows about. Regardless whether using a tar-like archiver, or dump, the archiver still needs to be taught the attributes. Ideally the interface should be changed, so the attributes can be retrieved as a list of tags, so archivers don't need to understand what the attributes are, and new file attributes can be added (ex. acls) and all archivers work automatically. Even dump/restore don't always restore the new 4.4 attributes properly. See bin/5173 Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 15:19:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24364 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24317 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17606; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:18:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id XAA03892; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:47:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:47:52 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Stefan Bethke Cc: Chuck Robey , Nicolas Souchu , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Bethke , Chuck Robey , Nicolas Souchu , FreeBSD Hackers References: <196633.3103357053@d254.promo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <196633.3103357053@d254.promo.de>; from Stefan Bethke on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:37:33AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-05-05 11:37 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: > Btw., you might want to adjust the comments in sys/i386/isa/pcibus.c, they > might prove to be somewhat misleading. Hmmm, what's wrong with the comments in that file ? Under which version of FreeBSD, BTW ? Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 15:19:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24499 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:19:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24471 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17616 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:18:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id XAA03867; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:27:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:27:12 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Chris Dillon , Bill Paul Cc: Eivind Eklund , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver Mail-Followup-To: Chris Dillon , Bill Paul , Eivind Eklund , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805051527.LAA29903@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Dillon on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 12:52:53PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-05-05 12:52 -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: > This has an NCR controller embedded in it also, but not the 53c875 or > anything like it. Wasn't there some kind of NCR Ethernet/SCSI combo chip > available at one time? That may be what this is. I'll poke my head in Yes, there is one, its a FastEthernet/Ultra-SCSI chip, though. But what you have is most probably a Lance (PCI chip is lnc1, since lnc0 is reserved for a possible ISA card) and an AMD 53c974 compatible SCSI engine. That's the AMD Ethernet+SCSI Combo chip, and it is known to work under 2.2.x and -current. The SCSI part is supported by the "amd" driver, which in fact is derived from the FreeBSD sources released by Tekram for their DC-390 / DC-390T host adapter cards (the 390W, 390F and 390U are based on NCR chips, though). > the box when I get back to work and look, though I know people have asked > questions about it ages ago in these lists, since I searched them several > months ago. I could not get support for the PCI Lance into 2.1, and you had to manually configure the driver to use the correct probe address. But I made the driver work with 2.2.x one and a half year ago ... The AMD SCSI driver was originally limited to cards with the Tekram SCSI options EEPROM. When I imported the driver, I put in a fallback, which made it work with other AMD based cards and the Combo chip in those Compaqs. This did also happen in late 1996. Please send me a verbose boot message log (boot with "-v"), if you can't get both the Ethernet and SCSI functionality to work. Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 15:43:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29224 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:43:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (root@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28928; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA01360; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:42:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:42:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: Stefan Esser cc: Bill Paul , Eivind Eklund , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver In-Reply-To: <19980505232712.02077@mi.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Stefan Esser wrote: > On 1998-05-05 12:52 -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: > > This has an NCR controller embedded in it also, but not the 53c875 or > > anything like it. Wasn't there some kind of NCR Ethernet/SCSI combo chip > > available at one time? That may be what this is. I'll poke my head in > > Yes, there is one, its a FastEthernet/Ultra-SCSI chip, though. > But what you have is most probably a Lance (PCI chip is lnc1, > since lnc0 is reserved for a possible ISA card) and an AMD > 53c974 compatible SCSI engine. That's the AMD Ethernet+SCSI > Combo chip, and it is known to work under 2.2.x and -current. > The SCSI part is supported by the "amd" driver, which in fact > is derived from the FreeBSD sources released by Tekram for > their DC-390 / DC-390T host adapter cards (the 390W, 390F and > 390U are based on NCR chips, though). Thank you kindly, I'm going to have to look into this. I know it isn't the FastEthernet+UltraSCSI you mention, because this is 10Mbit Ether and Fast SCSI. I don't even think PCI was a dream when this box was out. Come to think of it, it did have "AMD", not NCR, stamped on top. :-) I think my problem was that the EISA config threw the port ranges way off from 'normal'. > Please send me a verbose boot message log (boot with "-v"), > if you can't get both the Ethernet and SCSI functionality to > work. Will do. I might have to do some SCSI recabling anyway to get our tape drive off the same bus as the HD, so another SCSI bus I can plug into will be a major plus. Thanks again! -- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@inter-linc.net --- cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) (http://www.freebsd.org) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 16:02:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03176 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:02:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (a08m.cet.co.jp [202.32.65.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03115 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:01:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01536; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805050021.RAA01536@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nicolas Souchu cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 19:15:31 -0000." <19980503191531.45796@coreff.prism.uvsq.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:21:33 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi there, > > Here are few questions about PnP support... > > o Is there any developments currently for Microsoft-ISA PnP support? There is some support for ISA PnP, but no interaction with the PnP BIOS. > o Should we consider the BIOS does all job for us, and just > retrieve information from BIOS at power up? And with broken BIOS? No, there are three cases: - All devices configured and active. - Only boot-related devices configured and active. - No PnP BIOS, nothing configured or active. We have to support all three. > o What are the interactions between PCI PnP and ISA PnP? They are generally limited to resource allocations from a shared pool. > o Does the sound-PnP stuff support such things? The sound drivers are just consumers of the ISA PnP support. > I was about to write some parallel chipset dependent code, and I > realized all chipsets will be controlled identicaly soon (according > to the ISA PnP standard). No, they won't be. PnP just tells you how they are configured. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 16:02:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03191 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (a08m.cet.co.jp [202.32.65.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03109 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00286; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805050806.BAA00286@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Open Systems Networking cc: Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 May 1998 15:06:03 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 01:06:40 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 4 May 1998, Andreas Braukmann wrote: > Yes I just posted this morning about the same explanation. It does start > full screen and for some reason it oes NOT like 1600x1200x16bpp it just > freaks and core dumps. Actually, it runs fine at 1600x1200x16bpp; that's what I normally use. You sound like you have resource problems, or possibly forgot the .B.blend file. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 16:34:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08887 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:34:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08621 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:33:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id TAA11771; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:32:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Mike Smith cc: Brian Cully , Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <199805052152.OAA00347@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > Sorry, that aint it either - I have a Millenium II and Blender works > fine under both AccelX 4.x and XFree86. Ok sure, fine mike go ahead and shoot that thoery down to! :) Maybe it doesnt like SMP then, anyone running it under -current with smp, and a matrox Mill. II? And no im not under any means ruling out operator error. Like I said I can get it to run fine if I use the -p flag and specify 1024x768. Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 16:58:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13043 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13009; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29558; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd029550; Tue May 5 23:50:14 1998 Message-ID: <354FA5AE.15FB7483@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:50:06 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Shoecraft CC: potok@friko.onet.pl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: <0004B46F.1332@microchip.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We have an NC-server here to evaluate. (from NC corp..) (aka oracle) It's a FreeBSD box and it has a fully native FreeBSD oracle on it.. My sugestion: ask NC corp to sell you a NC server get the oracle pre-installed :-) I haven't tried upgrading to a newer FreeBSD, but My guess is that it might work. It's NCOS 2.0 (whatever version of FreeBSD on earth THAT actually is..) If I knew anything about Oracle I'd have tar'd it up and tried running it on a newer FreeBSD by now.. julian Steve Shoecraft wrote: > > > > I too run Oracle 7 (7.3.3.5.1) on HP-UX (10.20). I thought it'd be > great if I could get it running at home on my FreeBSD box. FTP'd the > image from Oracle and installed it. Seems to work great, like I said, > except the networking (SQL*Net). > > The note you attached indicated that I should install Oracle on an SCO > box, then copy the stuff over to FreeBSD. I don't have an SCO box, > and would still like to re-link SQL*Net. > > Let me ask the question I have in another way: > > o Is it possible to convert the SCO object files (ELF?) to what > FreeBSD uses natively (COFF?)? > > o If I can't convert the object files, can I link the object files > together to make a binary? > > - Steve > > ______ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 17:15:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15300 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:15:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15292 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:15:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03512; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:13:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805060013.BAA03512@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Alexey V Ivanov cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 19:04:31 +0600." <199805051304.TAA12301@surnet.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 01:13:22 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello. > I'm new in this group. > And i have some questions. > 1. How can i read mail from FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org Send a message saying `help' to majordomo@freebsd.org. > 2. I'm research driver for Digiboard PC/Xem, PC/Xr, PC/Xeve, PC/Xe, PC/Xi on freebsd. and where i can upload it. There's a functional PC/Xe driver in /sys/gnu/i386/isa. [.....] -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 17:44:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18377 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17527 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:40:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id UAA26932; Tue, 5 May 1998 20:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:33:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Mike Smith cc: Brian Cully , Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <199805052152.OAA00347@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok I solved *my* problem. I had the right files in the home dir as it said. The problem was apparently the file perms. I did chmod 777 on the .B.blend and .Bfs and everything is peachy now. How it was able to run in a window with the -p option but not fullscreen if the perms were wrong i have NO idea. I mean perms are either right or wrong there isnt any halfway ground. it runs or it doesnt. Odd. But it works so Andreas may want to try that to. Now I need to get it to render that blacksmith demo. it does s small part of it then the rest is pink. ick. Hrmm tackle that next after i upgrade to .31 Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 17:45:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18739 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18693 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA28911; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma028907; Tue May 5 17:28:35 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA18956; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199805060028.RAA18956@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <220969.3103357457@d254.promo.de> from Stefan Bethke at "May 5, 98 11:44:17 am" To: stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stefan Bethke writes: > >> I've just bought an ISA-PnP soundcard, but my old Asus 486SP3G BIOS' > > > > boot with -c and use the manual pnp configuration instruction > > Thanks. I might want to take some time off and start reading man pages > again. > > However, my expectation was that the card would have been configured > automagically, despite the lack of the BIOS; or, more specifically, I would > expect the PnP code to auto-configure all PnP devices if there seems to be > no PnP BIOS support. > > Is there any particular reason (besides lack of interest or resources) for > no implementing this? I agree with Stefan's sentiment. It seems like this should be the paradigm: CASE #1: Kernel config file looks like this: -------------------------------------------- device foo0 In this case, the kernel automatically configures stuff for driver foo0. If the BIOS has already configured the card, and that's acceptable, the kernel can go along. Otherwise, the kernel should pick resources that are free and configure the card itself. CASE #2: Kernel config file looks like this: -------------------------------------------- device foo0 port 0x220 irq 7 vector foointr Kernel should override whatever is already configured in the card (if anything) with the given values. Does this make sense to anyone else besides me? What are the technical things that need to be done to make it happen? -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:25:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25985 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:25:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25128 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:18:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id UAA27902 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 20:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:37:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SMP softupdates users problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For those not aware running softupdates on SMP as I have been is pretty unstable for me. And when it crashes it has taken the last file I was doing anything with and nukes it. I was editing my .cshrc file saved it fired up netscape and the machine wedged rebooted and .cshrc is gone. Just a warning to anyone thinking about running them on an SMP box, be prepared to loose stuff when it vomits. Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:36:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27566 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27526 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17355; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:36:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd017269; Tue May 5 18:36:01 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21861; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:35:57 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805060135.SAA21861@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:35:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, the_reman@hotmail.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805052218.PAA00828@antipodes.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at May 5, 98 03:18:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > The fact that the card wants its own initialization, like any other > > > card in the world, does not mean it is not PnP, > > > > Sure it does. If it wants it's own init on top of the PnP BIOS > > configuration, the card is just "P". To be "nP", it has to actually > > "play" when you "plug" it. 8-). > > This fallaciously suggests that a PnP card requires no driver support. > > Whilst one might get this impression from most of the advertising > around these days, I regret to inform you that it's pretty uncommon. 8) It was more of a comment on the need to specifically init the card when it's supposedly "SoundBlaster Compatible" and "PnP". They need to drop one of their (contradictory) claims. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:37:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27631 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:37:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27212 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02666; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd002603; Tue May 5 18:33:55 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21785; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:33:45 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805060133.SAA21785@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:33:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, chuckr@Glue.umd.edu, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805052213.PAA00806@antipodes.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at May 5, 98 03:13:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Making INT 10 calls is generally a bad idea. > > > > It requires taking down most of the outstanding operations manually > > from the kernel side, in the expectation of CLI/STI/etc.. > > Given that the calls in question run inside a VM86 penalty box, most of > your qualms here are fundamentally invalid - suspension of interrupts > etc. by the video BIOS isn't going to be a problem. You must have missed the part where I talked about trapping STI/CLI to a VMM. You can protect STI/CLI (and you should); however, doing so may introduce a number of problems in frequency syncing with some monitors after a mode switch. I have a KFC monitor that would require you to turn it off then on if the card missed a blanking interval, for example. At a minimum, you will tend to look crappy -- exactly the thing the vendors BIOS writers were trying to avoid. "Works fine under DOS/Windows" is very annoying to refute with "your hardware sucks". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:39:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28275 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (root@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28238 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:39:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28125; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:23:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd028006; Tue May 5 18:23:46 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20824; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:23:37 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805060123.SAA20824@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:23:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, beng@lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 5, 98 09:16:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Perhaps, but dump/restore is broken for large filesystems. Perhaps one > > > of the dump/restore advocates should fix it before a new user is swayed by > > > the rhetoric into using dump/restore, only to watch restore core dump on > > > large dumps. > > > > Be happy to. Where is you real bug report that details the problem, > > instead of just stating that there is one? So far, all I have seen > > Posted Apr 16 to freebsd-stable. The only response that I received was > from someone that said, "thats just like the PR that I sent a long time > ago". > > Anyhow, basically any kind of restore operation (restore -t, or > restore -r) results in an immediate "hole in map" response, with a "abort? > [yn]" prompt, and then about three seconds later, a segmentation fault. I think you need to read the man pages. A hole in a map won't happen unless you have bad media. If you traceback the panic in the source code, you'll see that the problem is a zero-valued block map. More likely, you have broken SCSI termination, a dirty tape drive, are using cheap video tapes in place of expensive data tapes (and hoping it works), or a you have broken tape drive/driver that needs you to pad blocks to tape block boundries because the hardware is too stupid to read partial blocks. are you perhaps using an older HP DAT drive, before they added the lockout to keep you from using tapes not capable of accurately holding the data? You can ignore your damaged media using the "-y" option to restore: -y Do not ask the user whether to abort the restore in the event of an error. Always try to skip over the bad block(s) and continue. It is recommended that you, instead, fix the underlying problem. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:40:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28309 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (root@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28251 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29489; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:28:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd029467; Tue May 5 18:28:27 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21183; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:28:22 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805060128.SAA21183@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:28:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 5, 98 09:02:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > 1) You are not supposed to use it on mounted FS's. > > Really? That isn't in the manual. It also makes it useless for > 24x7 servers. Why not? Unmount a mirrored drive in a mirror array, and back it up offline. In general, the FS should be quiescent, at the very least. Most people run dump/restore in single user mode. > > Meanwhile, break you FS's up; your backups will take less time, too. > > 4GB filesystems are rather limiting. It places a large burden on the > administrator to constantly balance storage needs. No thanks. I don't know where you keep getting 4G. 2^32 * 512 = 1TB. > I'm not sure why backing up 8 x 4GB filesystems, as opposed to 1 x 32GB > filesystem would be faster. It's not. Backing up 6 x 4GB filesystems is faster than 1 x32GB. The point is that you only need to back up "live" data, not data that hasn't changed (ie: /usr/local needs backing up less frequently than /usr/home). > I think you need to donate your time at site that runs some 24x7 > servers, so you can some reality experience. I'll ignore this. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:43:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29116 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA29057 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWsoq-0006BS-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:16:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199805060128.SAA21183@usr02.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 6 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > 1) You are not supposed to use it on mounted FS's. > > > > Really? That isn't in the manual. It also makes it useless for > > 24x7 servers. > > Why not? Unmount a mirrored drive in a mirror array, and back it up > offline. Not possible in FreeBSD. Even where it is possible, re-syncing the disk when it is brought back into the mirror can be a real problem. > In general, the FS should be quiescent, at the very least. > > Most people run dump/restore in single user mode. ...making it a useless backup tool, but an acceptable duplication/replication tool. > > > Meanwhile, break you FS's up; your backups will take less time, too. > > > > 4GB filesystems are rather limiting. It places a large burden on the > > administrator to constantly balance storage needs. No thanks. > > I don't know where you keep getting 4G. 2^32 * 512 = 1TB. dump/restore does not work on my 32GB filesystem. Why? Possibly a 4+GB bug, though somone has speculated that it is sparse file problem. What happens? dump generates a corrupted archive (bug), and restore detects the corruption and crashes anyway (another bug). There has been an outstanding PR on this for a long time. While browsing the PR database, I found that dump/restore does not always save/restore the new 4.4 attributes. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:55:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01921 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:55:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01871 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:55:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23227; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:54:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd023162; Tue May 5 18:54:44 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA23256; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:54:38 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805060154.SAA23256@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? To: jlemon@americantv.com (Jonathan Lemon) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:54:38 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, chuckr@Glue.umd.edu, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980505100131.16512@right.PCS> from "Jonathan Lemon" at May 5, 98 10:01:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > We don't use bios calls for drivers however very recently someone checked in > > > code to make bios calls which can come in handy for video adapters video > > > modes. > > > > Making INT 10 calls is generally a bad idea. > > First off, let me say that I agree with this. I'm just providing more > rope for interested developers. :-) Besides, wasn't it you who wanted > an INT 10 disk-driver as a fallback mechanism? INT 13. 8-) 8-). The theory is that "anything that works is better than anything that doesn't". You can serialize disk I/O much easier; it's one of the most important things you can do, anyway, so it's common practice for a disk to steal from Peter to pay Paul. 8-). > > It requires taking down most of the outstanding operations manually > > from the kernel side, in the expectation of CLI/STI/etc.. > > But this is wrong. Our real-mode INT calls are done in a vm86 sandbox, > so they never actually get their grubby hands on the actual PSL_I bit. > This will probably break things that are timing sensitive, but I'd argue > that those things are better suited for a real kernel driver anyway. Yup. I have a monitor that will be puked out by a lost vertical retrace on an old video card (requires a powercycle to clear it). If the INT 10 mode change is only going to be use in event of a crash, as Elvind said, I'm all for it. If someone thinks they can fix a "Diamond-like problem" with INT 10 mode switching, I'm against it. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:56:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02253 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02138 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00828; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805052218.PAA00828@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo), the_reman@hotmail.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 08:09:11 -0000." <199805050809.BAA18863@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:18:04 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The fact that the card wants its own initialization, like any other > > card in the world, does not mean it is not PnP, > > Sure it does. If it wants it's own init on top of the PnP BIOS > configuration, the card is just "P". To be "nP", it has to actually > "play" when you "plug" it. 8-). This fallaciously suggests that a PnP card requires no driver support. Whilst one might get this impression from most of the advertising around these days, I regret to inform you that it's pretty uncommon. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:57:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02302 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02145 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01550; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805050024.RAA01550@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jonathan Lemon cc: Chuck Robey , Luigi Rizzo , Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 14:31:27 CDT." <19980503143127.54179@right.PCS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:24:07 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The Pnp stuff, I mean the assignment, is done before FreeBSD gets > > control, right? And there is never any call from FreeBSD to any bios > > code, right? Even remapped code, or any code originally copied from > > bios, right? > > Normally, yes. However, I've added code to -current so you can make > BIOS calls while FreeBSD is running; it is currently only used to get > the correct memory size when the kernel boots. > > The APM code also uses the machine's BIOS to handle all APM events. ... there are also SMI BIOS routines that deal with a lot of the behind-the-scenes stuff on laptops. > I'm sitting on code that will allow 16-bit BIOS calls from the kernel, > these could conceivably be used to get the various PnP events. I have actually used this code to talk to the PnP BIOS, and this is the right way to go. Jonathan - have you managed to sort out the issues related to supporting both 16-bit and 32-bit PM BIOS calls? What if you had more descriptors available, would it be easier then? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:56:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02264 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02146 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00806; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805052213.PAA00806@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty), chuckr@Glue.umd.edu, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 07:39:23 -0000." <199805050739.AAA16950@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:13:38 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > We don't use bios calls for drivers however very recently someone checked in > > code to make bios calls which can come in handy for video adapters video > > modes. > > Making INT 10 calls is generally a bad idea. > > It requires taking down most of the outstanding operations manually > from the kernel side, in the expectation of CLI/STI/etc.. Given that the calls in question run inside a VM86 penalty box, most of your qualms here are fundamentally invalid - suspension of interrupts etc. by the video BIOS isn't going to be a problem. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:56:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02280 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:56:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02160 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00347; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805052152.OAA00347@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Open Systems Networking cc: Brian Cully , Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 May 1998 18:08:26 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 14:52:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 4 May 1998, Brian Cully wrote: > > > I have the first Millenium in this box, so it may have something to do > > with the Millenium II, but that seems to be stretching. > > Well it is the only common factor here. Between us. We both have Mill. II > cards. Im not positive if this is the problem but it is the only common > link. Sorry, that aint it either - I have a Millenium II and Blender works fine under both AccelX 4.x and XFree86. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 18:57:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02354 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02175; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01204; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805041354.GAA01204@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Open Systems Networking cc: Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 19:00:38 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 06:54:30 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, 3 May 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Are people even trying out this wonderful package?? > > I downloaded it and tried it out on -current to see if it worked on > -current, but it just fires up, the screen turns blue real fast and then > core dumps :) and everything goes back to normal. But I didnt dump to much > time into getting it to run. But I think it's cause its for 2.2.5(6). It works just fine on -current as of mid-april, actually. If it's coring, you may be short on resources. You might want to send them a copy of the core and tell them about it. Remember, this is a public beta. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 19:33:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09828 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:33:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09817 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04574; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:33:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd004515; Tue May 5 19:33:15 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA26505; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:33:10 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805060233.TAA26505@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 02:33:10 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 5, 98 06:16:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > dump/restore does not work on my 32GB filesystem. Why? Possibly a 4+GB > bug, though somone has speculated that it is sparse file problem. What > happens? dump generates a corrupted archive (bug), and restore detects > the corruption and crashes anyway (another bug). There has been > an outstanding PR on this for a long time. There is no "4G problem". If there is a problem based on type size, it will occur at 2G + 1, *not* 4G. The "long" type is a 32 bit signed value, meaning 31 bits of data and the sign bit, meaning 2G. The "long long" type is a 64 bit signed value, meaning 63 bits of data and the sign bit, meaning 2G * 4G. If a "long" type is used to represent block offests instead of byte offsets, then the problem, if existant, will occur at 2^31 * 512 = 1T. If the "long long" type is used to represent block offsets instead of byte offset, then the problem, if existant, will occur at 512 * 2G * 4G, otherwise known as "more disk than you have". Now you are claiming the problem occurs in dump instead of restore. If the problem has anything to do with sparse files (which it doesn't), you will be able to repeat it by creating a file, writing some small number of blocks up front, and then seeking out to: off_t off = 1 << 34; And writing some more blocks, then dumping the FS containing the file. You could fit this file on a floppy disk, since it's sparse, and make the test case teeny. Having run this experiment the other night with my QIC SCSI 2525 drive, I can tell you that the problem is not in dump or restore, unless it's a byte/block offfset problem. If you are seeing a byte/block offset problem, it's not going to be occurring where ou are saying you are seeing the problem ("4G"), it's going to occur at one of the boundry conditions I identified, above. If you are seeing a problem where you said you are seeing the problem, then it is the driver/controller/tape drive/tape that is causing it. What version of FreeBSD are you running? What is the controller for the tape drive? Which driver is responsible for that controller? What exact model of tape drive are you using? What exact brand of tapes are you using? What is the controller for the disk showing the problem? What driver is responsible for that controller? What exact model of disk drive are you using? Are you overclocking your processor? > While browsing the PR database, I found that dump/restore does not > always save/restore the new 4.4 attributes. I haven't seen this. The inode data is stored as a 128 byte image of the disk contents, with the block offsets restored relative to the new block allocation. An image either is, or it isn't. Are you sure the bug reporter was not using group permissions to access devices? He will not be able to restore attributes accessible only to root unless he is root. Likewise, the secure level will affect the ability of the user to perform certain flags related operations. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 19:57:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13460 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aaka.3skel.com (aaka.3skel.com [207.240.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13443 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:56:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danj@3skel.com) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by aaka.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA25213; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (danj@localhost) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA19203; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:56:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Janowski To: Eivind Eklund cc: Chris Dillon , Bill Paul , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver In-Reply-To: <19980505165604.36955@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On a related by different note, just today I've been trying to get a Compaq with the AMD SCSI/Lance chip working. I've got 2.2.6, the SCSI is fine, the PCI lance lnc1 is probing ok. When I ifconfig it I get the 'Initialisation failed' message. I looked in the archives, the latest comments coming from jkh, so I didn't do the thing setting the port addrs and irqs of the ISA driver. What am I missing? Dan On Tue, 5 May 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 08:14:52AM -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: > > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Bill Paul wrote: > > > > > I would appreciate if people running FreeBSD 2.2.6 that have Compaq > > > hardware could test this driver to make sure it works, and if people > > > > I have an older Compaq ProsiginiaVS server (486-66, EISA) running 2.2.5 > > which has onboard Ethernet and SCSI, neither of which I got working (the > > onboard Ether is a Lance/PCnet chip, i think, so it should work), and the -- danj@3skel.com Dan Janowski Triskelion Systems, Inc. Bronx, NY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 21:26:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00934 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:26:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from d183-205.uoregon.edu (d183-205.uoregon.edu [128.223.183.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00867 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:26:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by d183-205.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA21937; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980505212552.24072@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:25:52 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Stefan Bethke Cc: Luigi Rizzo , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? References: <220969.3103357457@d254.promo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <220969.3103357457@d254.promo.de>; from Stefan Bethke on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:44:17AM +0200 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stefan Bethke scribbled this message on May 5: > However, my expectation was that the card would have been configured > automagically, despite the lack of the BIOS; or, more specifically, I would > expect the PnP code to auto-configure all PnP devices if there seems to be > no PnP BIOS support. FreeBSD contains code the configure PnP cards, but doesn't have the smarts on what parts of the system are free for the card to use... what happens if you have an unsupported arcnet card in the machine that you use in dos mode? how is FreeBSD suppose to know about that card and not use the same resources that the card uses... of course you will counter with, "but Win95 does this!", yes, they do, but they also happen to have all manufacturers writing drivers and detection routines for them so they can be pretty sure about what resources are free... Win95 will have the same problem FreeBSD will if you stick a card of your own make (i.e. NO win95 drivers) into a machine... FreeBSD just doesn't hide the problem... > Is there any particular reason (besides lack of interest or resources) for > no implementing this? well, the code that deals with the isa bus (and all busses for that matter) is actually going under a complete rewrite... once that is done we should be able to support autoconfiguration of PnP devices... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 21:33:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02195 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:33:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f75.hotmail.com [207.82.250.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA02161 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:33:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from the_reman@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 16753 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 1998 04:33:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19980506043312.16752.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.171.96.40 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 1998 21:33:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.171.96.40] From: "Chris Day" To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 14:33:11 EST Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >if this happens they are not ISA-PnP compliant. In the case of the >OPTi931, the PnP configuration works fine in my experience (unless the >card you have has the 'disable PnP' pin hardwired on, but that's >another story If the pin is hardwired on then I should have been able to config and init it by the proprietry ports, when i tried it didn't respond and the PnP status port said it was in Wait4Key state, and it needed PnP initialisation first. Then when I went to the PnP ports it didnt respond to any of them!! So I have to ask, because the only way I can init it is via the dos driver that opti wrote, and by neither the PnP method or via the proprietry ports, how do you do it then with no DOS driver. My best guess is that my opti card has been programmed in firmware to only respond to a certain sequence or set of ports or init sequence, and that opti ain't gonna tell anyone. regards, chris -- Christopher Day, The reman, Loosecannon, Mortis, The Flatliner E-Mail the_reman@hotmail.com Homepage http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/1218 when the rain/when the children reign/keep your conscience in the dark melt the statues in the park - Fall On Me ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 22:47:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13066 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:47:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA13038 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 16605 invoked by uid 1000); 6 May 1998 05:55:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19980506075535.U23283@paert.tse-online.de> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 07:55:35 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: Open Systems Networking Cc: Brian Cully , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Mail-Followup-To: Open Systems Networking , Brian Cully , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805052152.OAA00347@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 07:32:41PM -0400 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 07:32:41PM -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > Maybe it doesnt like SMP then, anyone running it under -current with smp, > and a matrox Mill. II? yes, me. Sorry, I thought I mentioned it. (It's more or less the single cause for me running 3.0-current at all. dual ppro200, Gigabyte 686DX board). -ab -- /// TSE TeleService GmbH | Gsf: Arne Reuter | /// Hovestrasse 14 | Andreas Braukmann | We do it with /// D-48351 Everswinkel | HRB: 1430, AG WAF | FreeBSD/SMP /// ------------------------------------------------------------------- /// PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key /// Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 22:55:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14890 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14851 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:55:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA09515; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:49:09 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805060349.FAA09515@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: the_reman@hotmail.com (Chris Day) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 05:49:09 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980506043312.16752.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Chris Day" at May 6, 98 02:32:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If the pin is hardwired on then I should have been able to config and probably. but in my experience the card does not behave exactly as in the specs. > My best guess is that my opti card has been programmed in firmware to > only respond to a certain sequence or set of ports or init sequence, and > that opti ain't gonna tell anyone. more or less. don't know if this is deliberate or just poor quality documentation. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 22:56:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14931 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14866 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:55:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA09523; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:55:56 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805060355.FAA09523@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 05:55:56 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: stefan@promo.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805060028.RAA18956@bubba.whistle.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at May 5, 98 05:28:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I agree with Stefan's sentiment. It seems like this should be > the paradigm: ... > device foo0 port 0x220 irq 7 vector foointr i notice you did not put the "at isa?" specification -- is this deliberate or not ? because in this case one could differentiate between legacy isa and PnP stuff. In any case there are two major problems in my view: 1) to do automatic resource assignment you'd need to know which resources are available. Maybe the bios knows (more or less, since legacy isa devices with no driver cannot be easily detected, and the PnP detection of conflicts i am not sure how well it works), but i have no idea on how to fetch this info 2) providing a configuration in the kernel config file via "device..." entry is hard, since a single pnp device can have 8 io ports, 2 drq, 2 irq, 4 memory addresses ... how do you fit this info in the few bits available on the "device" line ? luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 23:06:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17674 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:06:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17663 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA01308; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma001304; Tue May 5 23:05:41 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA22438; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199805060605.XAA22438@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805060355.FAA09523@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "May 6, 98 05:55:56 am" To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: stefan@promo.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo writes: > > I agree with Stefan's sentiment. It seems like this should be > > the paradigm: > ... > > device foo0 port 0x220 irq 7 vector foointr > > i notice you did not put the "at isa?" specification -- is this > deliberate or not ? because in this case one could differentiate > between legacy isa and PnP stuff. Not deliberate.. just forgot :-) > In any case there are two major problems in my view: > 1) to do automatic resource assignment you'd need to know which > resources are available. Maybe the bios knows (more or less, since > legacy isa devices with no driver cannot be easily detected, and the > PnP detection of conflicts i am not sure how well it works), > but i have no idea on how to fetch this info Couldn't the config file account for all of the resources in use? This might require adding some "dummy" entries or .. ? I mean, if the kernel doesn't know about some interrupt being used, then who else is using it and what the heck for? I guess I don't completely understand this issue. > 2) providing a configuration in the kernel config file via "device..." > entry is hard, since a single pnp device can have 8 io ports, 2 drq, 2 > irq, 4 memory addresses ... how do you fit this info in the few bits > available on the "device" line ? Fix "config" to handle it. In the meantime, don't support devices that use more than the "normal" number of resources. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 23:19:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19937 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19913 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:19:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWx8P-0006MO-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:52:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199805060233.TAA26505@usr02.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 6 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > dump/restore does not work on my 32GB filesystem. Why? Possibly a 4+GB > > bug, though somone has speculated that it is sparse file problem. What > > happens? dump generates a corrupted archive (bug), and restore detects > > the corruption and crashes anyway (another bug). There has been > > an outstanding PR on this for a long time. > > There is no "4G problem". If there is a problem based on type size, > it will occur at 2G + 1, *not* 4G. A "long" or an "unsigned long" used as a byte offset. It is splitting hairs. ... > Now you are claiming the problem occurs in dump instead of restore. No. It is dump/restore. > If the problem has anything to do with sparse files (which it doesn't), > you will be able to repeat it by creating a file, writing some small > number of blocks up front, and then seeking out to: > > off_t off = 1 << 34; > > And writing some more blocks, then dumping the FS containing the file. > > You could fit this file on a floppy disk, since it's sparse, and make > the test case teeny. > > Having run this experiment the other night with my QIC SCSI 2525 > drive, I can tell you that the problem is not in dump or restore, > unless it's a byte/block offfset problem. > > If you are seeing a byte/block offset problem, it's not going to be > occurring where ou are saying you are seeing the problem ("4G"), it's > going to occur at one of the boundry conditions I identified, above. > > > If you are seeing a problem where you said you are seeing the problem, > then it is the driver/controller/tape drive/tape that is causing it. What? Was something about my message unclear? restore dies with a "hole in map". You can also search the PR database for that phrase to find an indentical report to the one I filed. The tape and drive are ok. I tar'ed the entire filesystem up, newfs the filesystem, and untar the tape, and it works great (which I have done as a test. > > What version of FreeBSD are you running? 2.2.6-STABLE > What is the controller for the tape drive? 2940UW > Which driver is responsible for that controller? ahc > What exact model of tape drive are you using? Quantum DLT 4000 > What exact brand of tapes are you using? Quantum DLT IV > What is the controller for the disk showing the problem? EIDE > What driver is responsible for that controller? wd > What exact model of disk drive are you using? Maxtor DiamondMax 8.4GB > Are you overclocking your processor? No. You know what a much better test would be? I can do a dump, read the first hundred megs or so with dd into a file, and send it to you. Since "restore -t" reports the "hole in map" within seconds, it obviously hasn't read very far into the tape yet, so doing a restore from a disk file should have the same result. > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 5 23:27:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21479 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:27:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA21450 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yWxFh-0006Mk-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:00:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: beng@lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199805060123.SAA20824@usr02.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 6 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Anyhow, basically any kind of restore operation (restore -t, or > > restore -r) results in an immediate "hole in map" response, with a "abort? > > [yn]" prompt, and then about three seconds later, a segmentation fault. > > > I think you need to read the man pages. In what man page is "hole in map" mentioned? > A hole in a map won't happen unless you have bad media. If you > traceback the panic in the source code, you'll see that the problem > is a zero-valued block map. Question: why does it segfault several seconds after producing the "abort?" prompt? It had already detected the "hole in map" problem? Regardless this is still a bug, even assuming that the media is bad (it isn't, as I did a full backup and restore to the media with tar). ... > You can ignore your damaged media using the "-y" option to restore: Doesn't do anything in this case. A "restore -t -v -y" tells me that every file (at least those I bother to let it read) had CRC errors. That isn't right, as I can use the same tape to do a full tar and untar with no problems. > -y Do not ask the user whether to abort the restore in > the event of an error. Always try to skip over the > bad block(s) and continue. > > It is recommended that you, instead, fix the underlying problem. What is that? The only thing you've said, is bad tape. But it isn't. Next. > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 00:16:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27486 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:16:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA27366 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:15:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA09666; Wed, 6 May 1998 07:41:47 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805060541.HAA09666@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 07:41:46 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: stefan@promo.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805060605.XAA22438@bubba.whistle.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at May 5, 98 11:05:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Not deliberate.. just forgot :-) > > > In any case there are two major problems in my view: > > 1) to do automatic resource assignment you'd need to know which > > resources are available. Maybe the bios knows (more or less, since > > legacy isa devices with no driver cannot be easily detected, and the > > PnP detection of conflicts i am not sure how well it works), > > but i have no idea on how to fetch this info > > Couldn't the config file account for all of the resources in use? no. what is available and what is not depends on the hardware. as someone else (Mike ?) mentioned, if you put your own non-pnp card in a pc and the bios/os/whatever doesn't know how to use it, the card will be undetected until a conflict occurs. The PnP spec have a way to detect conflicts but i am not sure it can really work because it depends on how the non-pnp card uses resources (e.g. it could be listening for some data before enabling its outputs; since the conflict detection can only work if the unknown card drives the output lines, in this case the detection will fail). so basically the problem is not solvable automatically. By the time you igve hints to the os on which resources are free, you could as well assign resources to the pnp devices which need them. > I mean, if the kernel doesn't know about some interrupt being used, > then who else is using it and what the heck for? I guess I don't > completely understand this issue. see above. > > 2) providing a configuration in the kernel config file via "device..." > > entry is hard, since a single pnp device can have 8 io ports, 2 drq, 2 > > irq, 4 memory addresses ... how do you fit this info in the few bits > > available on the "device" line ? > > Fix "config" to handle it. In the meantime, don't support devices > that use more than the "normal" number of resources. that means do not support audio cards, which are the ones where PnP is mostly needed. no thanks :) cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 00:31:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00396 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:31:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00373 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:31:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01524; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805060626.XAA01524@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Archie Cobbs cc: stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 17:28:35 PDT." <199805060028.RAA18956@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 23:26:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I agree with Stefan's sentiment. It seems like this should be > the paradigm: We actually thrashed this out last year; you might be able to dig the thread up again. Mostly it was Luigi, Stefan Esser and myself throwing ideas around. > CASE #1: Kernel config file looks like this: > -------------------------------------------- > > device foo0 > > In this case, the kernel automatically configures stuff for driver > foo0. If the BIOS has already configured the card, and that's > acceptable, the kernel can go along. Otherwise, the kernel should > pick resources that are free and configure the card itself. > > > CASE #2: Kernel config file looks like this: > -------------------------------------------- > > device foo0 port 0x220 irq 7 vector foointr > > Kernel should override whatever is already configured in the > card (if anything) with the given values. > > > Does this make sense to anyone else besides me? What are the > technical things that need to be done to make it happen? This actually falls a little short. It's easier to look at it from a different angle, too. For each PnP device/function in the system If the device/function is not supported (unknown, no driver present) deconfigure device (if required) continue else while resources required allocate new resources test resources (using PnP test facility if available) endwhile if resources available allocate a new driver instance, assign resources else continue endif endfor For each explicitly-configured ISA devices if resource config does not conflict with PnP-configured device allocate resources if probe succeeds allocate new driver instance else free resources endif endif endfor So device foo0 will support any number of 'foo' devices. device foo0 at isa? port "IO_FOO0" will support any number of 'foo' devices, as well as probing for one at IO_FOO0 after the PnP probe. The following things have to happen to make this a reality: - The PnP BIOS call interface needs to be finished. I have done some work based on Jonathan Lemon's code, but he needs to finish working out the APM interaction problems. This is absolutely critical as it allows us to use PnP to locate system devices and thus determine which resources are free. It also lets us find onboard peripherals. - Devices need to start ignoring NFOO and using malloc() to obtain storage for softc structures. They also need to start passing pointers to these structures around instead of unit numbers. This has been started with the changed arguments to ISA interrupt handlers (taking void * instead of int). - A PnP enumerator needs to be written to traverse the PnP data. It has to handle all three basic states (No BIOS, BIOS configuring boot-only devices, BIOS configuring everything). ISA PnP code already exists to handle the "No BIOS" and "boot-only" cases. - A mechanism for loading PnP ID:driver mappings would be good. Putting them in the driver works OK but is suboptimal. Note that there is a table of "generic" PnP device identifiers as well that should be used whenever possible. The "extras" stuff that I did for the splash screen code can be used for this. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 00:43:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01300 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:43:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01292 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:43:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01569; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805060638.XAA01569@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Archie Cobbs cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo), stefan@promo.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 23:05:41 PDT." <199805060605.XAA22438@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 23:38:47 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > In any case there are two major problems in my view: > > 1) to do automatic resource assignment you'd need to know which > > resources are available. Maybe the bios knows (more or less, since > > legacy isa devices with no driver cannot be easily detected, and the > > PnP detection of conflicts i am not sure how well it works), > > but i have no idea on how to fetch this info > > Couldn't the config file account for all of the resources in use? > This might require adding some "dummy" entries or .. ? No; for starters the "resources in use" information is dynamic. Luigi, you want the "ESCD" document from Microsoft which details how to extract information on systemboard resources. You can also enumerate systemboard devices using the PnP BIOS. As I mentioned before, I have code that does this on top of Jonathan's 16-bit BIOS call interface, but this is very green just now. If you want to pick up the torch, talk to Jonathan, because his work is fundamental to everything we are discussing. I can also give you my code to look at - it is truly trivial. Start at http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev when looking for these documents. If you can't find them in a format you can deal with, I will amass everything I have and pass them on to someone with Acrobat Distiller and put all the PDF versions up on www.freebsd.org. > I mean, if the kernel doesn't know about some interrupt being used, > then who else is using it and what the heck for? I guess I don't > completely understand this issue. Interrupts are not soft-configured in all cases. If you remove lpt0 from your kernel config, the onboard hardware will still drive IRQ7. You need to know that IRQ7 is assigned to something, and thus isn't available for use by anything else. You might also want to try to wrest the resource away from whatever owns it (eg. you have a PnP soundcard that the BIOS configures but you want to steal its resources). > > 2) providing a configuration in the kernel config file via "device..." > > entry is hard, since a single pnp device can have 8 io ports, 2 drq, 2 > > irq, 4 memory addresses ... how do you fit this info in the few bits > > available on the "device" line ? > > Fix "config" to handle it. In the meantime, don't support devices > that use more than the "normal" number of resources. As a general rule, attempting to hard-specify resources for a PnP device is an error. IMHO we should not make any concessions to this mode of operation. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 00:59:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03625 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:59:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03618 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:58:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28125; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:58:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <35501850.4879DB49@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 08:59:12 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Open Systems Networking CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Open Systems Networking wrote: > > Ok I solved *my* problem. I had the right files in the home dir as it > said. The problem was apparently the file perms. I did chmod 777 on the > .B.blend and .Bfs and everything is peachy now. > How it was able to run in a window with the -p option but not fullscreen > if the perms were wrong i have NO idea. I mean perms are either right or > wrong there isnt any halfway ground. it runs or it doesnt. Odd. But it > works so Andreas may want to try that to. Hi, I just tried the same on my setup - and it still starts to open the window - pauses, then core dumps... My system is 3.0-CURRENT (from about 4-5 days ago), running SMP... If I limit it to 1280x1024 etc. - it works fine, just not at anything above that (I'd like to run it at 1600x1200)... Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 01:04:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04561 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:04:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA04503 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA09792; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:26:19 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805060626.IAA09792@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:26:18 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: archie@whistle.com, stefan@promo.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805060638.XAA01569@antipodes.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at May 5, 98 11:38:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > No; for starters the "resources in use" information is dynamic. > > Luigi, you want the "ESCD" document from Microsoft which details how to no, i want the time to read them :) cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 01:04:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04635 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04460; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:04:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21044; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:59:32 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980506105932.A20977@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:59:32 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Julian Elischer , Steve Shoecraft Cc: potok@friko.onet.pl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Mail-Followup-To: Julian Elischer , Steve Shoecraft , potok@friko.onet.pl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <0004B46F.1332@microchip.com> <354FA5AE.15FB7483@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: <354FA5AE.15FB7483@whistle.com>; from Julian Elischer on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 04:50:06PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 04:50:06PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > We have an NC-server here to evaluate. (from NC corp..) (aka oracle) > > It's a FreeBSD box and it has a fully native FreeBSD oracle on it.. What do you mean by "native" ? AFAIK there is no Oracle Server version for BSD unixes... > > My sugestion: > > ask NC corp to sell you a NC server > get the oracle pre-installed :-) > > I haven't tried upgrading to a newer FreeBSD, but My guess is that > it might work. It's NCOS 2.0 (whatever version of FreeBSD on earth > THAT actually is..) > > If I knew anything about Oracle I'd have tar'd it up and tried > running it on a newer FreeBSD by now.. > > > julian -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 01:05:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04811 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04791 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28314 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:05:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <355019DA.AC6A7568@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 09:05:46 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP softupdates users problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Open Systems Networking wrote: > For those not aware running softupdates on SMP as I have been is pretty > unstable for me. And when it crashes it has taken the last file I was > doing anything with and nukes it. I was editing my .cshrc file saved it > fired up netscape and the machine wedged rebooted and .cshrc is gone. > > Just a warning to anyone thinking about running them on an SMP box, be > prepared to loose stuff when it vomits. This is also pretty much what I found on my SMP system, I normally use CCD's but I've got a spare drive on the system which I've been trying softupdates on - this fortunately keeps all the problems to one drive... Not pretty at the moment but apparently they are looking good on non-smp ;-) Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 01:13:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06442 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:13:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06422 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01715; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805060706.AAA01715@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs), stefan@promo.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 07:41:46 +0200." <199805060541.HAA09666@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 00:06:58 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > no. what is available and what is not depends on the hardware. > as someone else (Mike ?) mentioned, if you put your own non-pnp card in > a pc and the bios/os/whatever doesn't know how to use it, the card will > be undetected until a conflict occurs. The PnP spec have a way to detect > conflicts but i am not sure it can really work because it depends on > how the non-pnp card uses resources (e.g. it could be listening for > some data before enabling its outputs; since the conflict detection can > only work if the unknown card drives the output lines, in this case the > detection will fail). I can't actually imagine a card that would behave in this fashion. More specifically, if it works for Microsoft & friends, we can assume that it's going to work in at least most cases. It may not be perfect, but it's better. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 01:17:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07515 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:17:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07447 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:17:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01729; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805060708.AAA01729@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), archie@whistle.com, stefan@promo.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 08:26:18 +0200." <199805060626.IAA09792@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 00:08:14 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > No; for starters the "resources in use" information is dynamic. > > > > Luigi, you want the "ESCD" document from Microsoft which details how to > > no, i want the time to read them :) If you want to reduce the amount of time required, get the Mindshare PnP Architecture book. It condenses the vast majority of junk down into a relatively readable volume, which I have found very useful. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 01:26:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09218 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:26:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (root@gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09181 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27248; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA09748; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA20482; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:20:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199805060820.BAA20482@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:20:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith "Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support?" (May 5, 11:26pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? Cc: stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On May 5, 11:26pm, Mike Smith wrote: } Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? } This actually falls a little short. It's easier to look at it from a } different angle, too. } } For each PnP device/function in the system } If the device/function is not supported (unknown, no driver present) } deconfigure device (if required) } continue } else } while resources required } allocate new resources } test resources (using PnP test facility if available) } endwhile } if resources available } allocate a new driver instance, assign resources } else } continue } endif } endfor } } For each explicitly-configured ISA devices } if resource config does not conflict with PnP-configured device } allocate resources } if probe succeeds } allocate new driver instance } else } free resources } endif } endif } endfor Why would you not want to reverse the order and configure the explicitly configured ISA devices first and the PnP devices last? If you configure the PnP devices first, they might use resources required by the ISA devices. If you configure the ISA devices first, then you should be able to adjust the resources used by the PnP devices so they don't conflict with the ISA devices. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 01:31:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10073 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10004 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:31:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA10759 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:00:16 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805060830.SAA10759@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Unknown PCI ID's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:00:16 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, We have just got a SuperMicro 440LX base PII (P6SLS), and when it boots up, there are 2 unknown devices - pciconf -l shows them as pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71808086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71818086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 Any ideas what they are? (Just idle curiosity really :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 01:32:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10277 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de (magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de [139.20.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10234 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:32:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id KAA00581 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:32:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Holm Tiffe Message-Id: <199805060832.KAA00581@magnet.geophysik.tu-freiberg.de> Subject: FreeBSD Development Projects, a suggestion To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:32:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL26 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, It is only an riIdea, but is it possible to add a tool like undump to FreeBSD ? This could be used to restart huge processes after a shutdown at the point where the processes got killed before the shutdown. Maybe that should wait until FreeBSD has changed ist object format to ELF... Holm PS: sorry for my poor english. -- ******************************************************************************* * Holm Tiffe holm@geophysik.tu-freiberg.de * * Freiberger Strasse 24 * * 09600 Kleinschirma, Germany Microsoft is not the Answer - * * Tel.: 49 3731 74233 Microsoft is the Question, * * UUCP: 49 3731 73719 unicorn!holm and the Answer is no ! * ******************************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 01:36:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10762 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:36:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA10574 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA09903; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:59:47 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805060659.IAA09903@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:59:46 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: archie@whistle.com, stefan@promo.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805060706.AAA01715@antipodes.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at May 6, 98 00:06:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > how the non-pnp card uses resources (e.g. it could be listening for > > some data before enabling its outputs; since the conflict detection can > > only work if the unknown card drives the output lines, in this case the > > detection will fail). > > I can't actually imagine a card that would behave in this fashion. More the PnP protocol works exactly in this way: a card is idle until it is woken up in some way. Now, if a manufacturer devises a different wakeup protocol which is run _after_ the PnP conflict probe, you are in trouble. And many pre-isa-pnp cards had proprietary soft-config procedures. luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 01:50:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13514 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:50:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13498 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01906; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805060744.AAA01906@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Don Lewis cc: Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 01:20:04 PDT." <199805060820.BAA20482@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 00:44:49 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On May 5, 11:26pm, Mike Smith wrote: > } Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? > > } This actually falls a little short. It's easier to look at it from a > } different angle, too. > } > } For each PnP device/function in the system > } If the device/function is not supported (unknown, no driver present) > } deconfigure device (if required) > } continue > } else > } while resources required > } allocate new resources > } test resources (using PnP test facility if available) > } endwhile > } if resources available > } allocate a new driver instance, assign resources > } else > } continue > } endif > } endfor > } > } For each explicitly-configured ISA devices > } if resource config does not conflict with PnP-configured device > } allocate resources > } if probe succeeds > } allocate new driver instance > } else > } free resources > } endif > } endif > } endfor > > Why would you not want to reverse the order and configure the explicitly > configured ISA devices first and the PnP devices last? Because your brute-force probe may find a device that is actually a PnP device, and which has been allocated resources by the BIOS. > If you configure > the PnP devices first, they might use resources required by the ISA > devices. In most cases, this is not possible. You can detect I/O and memory conflicts using the probe techniques, and IRQ conflicts are impossible on systems that support BIOS configuration of resources. > If you configure the ISA devices first, then you should be > able to adjust the resources used by the PnP devices so they don't > conflict with the ISA devices. Given that resource conflicts are pretty unlikely, this isn't a real problem. The actual relative ordering is not terribly important - on the plus side doing the ISA probe first lets you "wire down" specific devices to IO combinations, but it loses insofar as you may get a less than optimal driver/device match just because the device matched an ISA probe instead. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 02:00:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15220 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA15211 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:00:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 23696 on Wed, 6 May 1998 08:59:06 GMT; id IAA23696 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15723; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:58:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199805060858.KAA15723@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Open Systems Networking cc: Mike Smith , Brian Cully , Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: opsys's message of Tue, 05 May 1998 19:32:41 -0400. Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 10:58:49 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Sorry, that aint it either - I have a Millenium II and Blender works > > fine under both AccelX 4.x and XFree86. > > Ok sure, fine mike go ahead and shoot that thoery down to! :) > Maybe it doesnt like SMP then, anyone running it under -current with smp, > and a matrox Mill. II? And no im not under any means ruling out operator > error. Like I said I can get it to run fine if I use the -p flag and > specify 1024x768. > It can't be anything FreeBSD specific, several Linux users experience the same bug. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 02:07:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16290 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA16278 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:07:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 24062 on Wed, 6 May 1998 09:04:03 GMT; id JAA24062 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15757; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:03:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199805060903.LAA15757@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Open Systems Networking cc: Mike Smith , Brian Cully , Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: opsys's message of Tue, 05 May 1998 20:33:33 -0400. Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 11:03:13 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Ok I solved *my* problem. I had the right files in the home dir as it > said. The problem was apparently the file perms. I did chmod 777 on the > .B.blend and .Bfs and everything is peachy now. > How it was able to run in a window with the -p option but not fullscreen > if the perms were wrong i have NO idea. I mean perms are either right or > wrong there isnt any halfway ground. it runs or it doesnt. Odd. But it > works so Andreas may want to try that to. > What permissions did you have before? > Now I need to get it to render that blacksmith demo. it does s small part > of it then the rest is pink. ick. Hrmm tackle that next after i upgrade to > .31 > This is a bug in 1.30, get 1.31. This was mentioned at the news server: http://goethe.bowtie.nl/cgi-bin/web-ssql/news-blender/index.ws Please check here for bugs and info! ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 02:14:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17468 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:14:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17421 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23187; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:12:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Open Systems Networking cc: Mike Smith , Brian Cully , Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 20:33:33 EDT." Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 02:12:36 -0700 Message-ID: <23183.894445956@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Now I need to get it to render that blacksmith demo. it does s small part > of it then the rest is pink. ick. Hrmm tackle that next after i upgrade to > .31 The upgrade will help with this - there were some byte-ordering bogons in 1.30. Now if you can just figure out how to make a viewable (with xanim) animation out of all the IFF files that blacksmith description generates, I'll be quite interested in hearing how you did it. ;) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 02:15:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17752 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:15:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schubert.Promo.DE (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17600; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:14:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from d254.promo.de (d254.Promo.DE [194.45.188.254]) by schubert.Promo.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14624; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:12:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 11:13:57 +0200 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: "Stefan Esser" cc: "FreeBSD Hackers" Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? Message-ID: <326400.3103442037@d254.promo.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a3, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --On Die, 5. Mai 1998 23:47 Uhr +0200 "Stefan Esser" wrote: > On 1998-05-05 11:37 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: >> Btw., you might want to adjust the comments in sys/i386/isa/pcibus.c, they >> might prove to be somewhat misleading. > > Hmmm, what's wrong with the comments in that file ? > Under which version of FreeBSD, BTW ? 1.27.2.1 (RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE, RELENG_2_2) says: .. /*----------------------------------------------------------------- ** ** The following functions are provided by the pci bios. ** They are used only by the pci configuration. ** ** pcibus_setup(): .. And from what I currently can see in that file, it doesn't do any BIOS calls. Cheers, Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 02:28:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20635 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:28:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20465 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA26955; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:26:56 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id LAA04963; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:26:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980506112654.36055@follo.net> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:26:54 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? References: <199805050809.BAA18863@usr02.primenet.com> <199805052218.PAA00828@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805052218.PAA00828@antipodes.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 03:18:04PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 03:18:04PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > The fact that the card wants its own initialization, like any other > > > card in the world, does not mean it is not PnP, > > > > Sure it does. If it wants it's own init on top of the PnP BIOS > > configuration, the card is just "P". To be "nP", it has to actually > > "play" when you "plug" it. 8-). > > This fallaciously suggests that a PnP card requires no driver support. > > Whilst one might get this impression from most of the advertising > around these days, I regret to inform you that it's pretty uncommon. 8) That's just because what Microsoft happens to call PnP isn't, not by a long stretch. Decent PnP (like e.g. the Amiga had) don't need an external driver (the driver is in a EPROM on the card). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 02:36:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22464 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:36:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schubert.Promo.DE (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA22258 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from d254.promo.de (d254.Promo.DE [194.45.188.254]) by schubert.Promo.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14708; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:30:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 11:32:13 +0200 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: "Luigi Rizzo" , "Archie Cobbs" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? Message-ID: <392429.3103443133@d254.promo.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a3, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --On Mit, 6. Mai 1998 7:41 Uhr +0200 "Luigi Rizzo" wrote: >> > In any case there are two major problems in my view: >> > 1) to do automatic resource assignment you'd need to know which >> > resources are available. >> >> Couldn't the config file account for all of the resources in use? > > no. what is available and what is not depends on the hardware. [...] > so basically the problem is not solvable automatically. By the time you > igve hints to the os on which resources are free, you could as well > assign resources to the pnp devices which need them. Basically, yes. Pratically, giving the OS hints about ressources used instead of wiring down the PnP configuration gives me three advantages: - I expect to have only a few ressources that would need to be entered (that proverbial ArcNet card) - I can add additonal PnP cards without having to do the configuration chores again. - Most importantly: in the current scheme, there is no way of storing information about "reserved" resources (taken in h/w, but otherwise unused by FreeBSD) inside FreeBSD. So when you add an additional card half a year later, you already might have forgotten that ArcNet controller. Having it's resources listed as "reserved" might be helpful. Would it be so hard to have one or more "reserved" ISA devices, which you can add like any other device, and update throught the usual mechanisms? I'll take a look on the weekend... Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 03:01:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27303 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:01:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA26815 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA10052; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:22:36 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805060822.KAA10052@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:22:35 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: archie@whistle.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <392429.3103443133@d254.promo.de> from "Stefan Bethke" at May 6, 98 11:31:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > so basically the problem is not solvable automatically. By the time you > > igve hints to the os on which resources are free, you could as well > > assign resources to the pnp devices which need them. > > Basically, yes. Pratically, giving the OS hints about ressources used > instead of wiring down the PnP configuration gives me three advantages: ... > Would it be so hard to have one or more "reserved" ISA devices, which you > can add like any other device, and update throught the usual mechanisms? i don't know. > I'll take a look on the weekend... I have to say that shuffling ideas, suggestions, or requests for features is a nice thing, but at this point i think we have by far much more projects than manpower, so what we really need is people start implementing things. So your last sentence is very appreciated... cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 03:16:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00207 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:16:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from surnet.ru (titanik.surnet.ru [195.54.2.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00202 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:16:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from subbsta@surnet.ru) Received: (from subbsta@localhost) by surnet.ru (8.7.2/Murphy) id QAA11012 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:16:43 +0600 (UDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 16:16:43 +0600 (UDT) From: Alexey V Ivanov Message-Id: <199805061016.QAA11012@surnet.ru> To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello again. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 03:18:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00469 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:18:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oskar.nanoteq.co.za (oskar.nanoteq.co.za [196.37.91.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00352 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:17:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbezuide@oskar.nanoteq.co.za) Received: (from rbezuide@localhost) by oskar.nanoteq.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA01011 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:17:19 +0200 (SAT) From: Reinier Bezuidenhout Message-Id: <199805061017.MAA01011@oskar.nanoteq.co.za> Subject: Weird UDP T/P on fxp0/de0 - 2.2.6-RELEASE To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:16:04 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ... I have the following basic setup: A B PII/266 <--- 100Mbit CAT 5 X-over ----> PII/266 I am using ttcp on both sides to test data transfers with diffirent packet sizes. I ran into some really STRANGE numbers during these test. I have basically two setups on each side A is the receiver while B is the transmitter. The one setup is where B transmits, but nothing on A is listening - this causes ICMP port unreachable packets to be sent to B (full-duplex line). In the second test I have ttcp listening on A - thus no ICMP packets is returned (I veryfied this on B with a tcpdump). I use ttcp to set the packet size in powers of 2. I repeated each of the tests a few times, just to make sure I get a good average. I configured ttcp in such a way that all transfers take at leas 7 seconds as to reduce strage numbers with too few data. I also dit these test with a Intel Ether express 10/100B and an SMC 9332BDT (fxp and de respectively) The numbers jump up and down in large jumps and the two network cards differ substantialy e.g. 3.1 MB/sec and 10 MB/sec for 512 byte packets. The other VERY VERY strange thing is that in most cases the FXP card transfers faster when there is ICMP port unreachable packets being sent back ?????? How is this possible ???? The first number is the packet size and the second is the transfer rate in KB/sec Intel Ether Express (100 - full duplex) UDP transfers TTCP listening (-r -s -u) No daemon listening ----------------------------------------------------------------- Pkt fxp0 | de0 Pkt fxp0 | de0 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 64 - 3320 4952 64 - 1903 1897 128 - 2620 7994 128 - 3522 3412 256 - 1873 9685 256 - 7087 7122 512 - 3102 4730 512 - 3182 10800 1024 - 5960 7550 1024 - 5975 8790 2048 - 5874 7268 2048 - 5882 7673 4096 - 7870 7604 4096 - 7870 7795 8096 - 7734 6951 8196 - 7733 6980 Any ideas ?? Thanx Reinier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 05:17:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19081 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:17:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19060 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA13851; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805061214.FAA13851@implode.root.com> To: Reinier Bezuidenhout cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird UDP T/P on fxp0/de0 - 2.2.6-RELEASE In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 06 May 1998 12:16:04 +0200." <199805061017.MAA01011@oskar.nanoteq.co.za> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 05:14:52 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I am using ttcp on both sides to test data transfers with >diffirent packet sizes. I ran into some really STRANGE numbers >during these test. I have basically two setups on each side I haven't looked at newer versions of ttcp, but the older version, on the transmitter side, would do a backoff (sleep) whenever it got ENOBUFS from the kernel. The sleep is tuned for 10Mbps ethernet, so the result is that the transmitter runs with wild swings filling and draining the kernel's output queue. One solution is to reduce the timeout substantially or eliminate it. This will cause ttcp to waste lots of CPU while it is running (constantly getting ENOBUFS from the kernel), but has the desired positive effect of keeping the output queue full. When you make this change, you get results like this: [implode:dg] ttcp -u -p9 -n8192 -t core ttcp-t: buflen=8192, nbuf=8192, align=16384/+0, port=9 udp -> core ttcp-t: socket ttcp-t: 67108864 bytes in 5.75 real seconds = 11393.10 KB/sec +++ ttcp-t: 15087 I/O calls, msec/call = 0.39, calls/sec = 2622.80 ttcp-t: 0.0user 5.3sys 0:05real 94% 141i+315d 168maxrss 0+2pf 0+59csw 0.054u 5.386s 0:05.75 94.4% 141+315k 0+0io 0pf+0w ...that's on a Pentium/133, so the results may be slightly higher on a faster machine. In any case, FreeBSD w/fxp driver has no trouble keeping the fast ethernet saturated. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 05:18:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19407 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:18:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19398 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:18:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@stox.sa.enteract.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.stox.sa.enteract.com [127.0.0.1]) by m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA02828; Wed, 6 May 1998 07:17:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 07:17:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Open Systems Networking , Mike Smith , Brian Cully , Andreas Braukmann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <23183.894445956@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 6 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > The upgrade will help with this - there were some byte-ordering bogons > in 1.30. Now if you can just figure out how to make a viewable (with > xanim) animation out of all the IFF files that blacksmith description > generates, I'll be quite interested in hearing how you did it. ;) You can set the output to use jpeg, instead of IFF, and then use animate from the ImageMagick package. -Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 06:07:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25880 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from assurance ([206.29.49.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25860 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by assurance (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA28506; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:04:08 -0400 Received: from sandbox.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.63) by assurance.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028502; Wed, 6 May 98 09:03:26 -0400 Received: from fault.rstcorp.com (fault [206.29.49.18]) by sandbox.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29068; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vshah@localhost) by fault.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05475; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805061303.JAA05475@fault.rstcorp.com> From: "Viren R. Shah" To: Chris Dillon Cc: Eivind Eklund , Bill Paul , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver In-Reply-To: References: <19980505165604.36955@follo.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.40 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Dillon writes: Chris> On Tue, 5 May 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: >> On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 08:14:52AM -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: >> > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Bill Paul wrote: >> > >> > > I would appreciate if people running FreeBSD 2.2.6 that have Compaq >> > > hardware could test this driver to make sure it works, and if people I have a Compaq ProLiant 2000 (dual P66, EISA). From what I've read, it seems that the driver will not work for this. Is that right? I'm pretty sure the NIC has a Lance chip, and I think the Lance ethernet driver doesn't support EISA. Chris> to get that to work.. Mind sharing those patches? :-) I have the onboard Chris> SCSI and possibly a "Compaq WIDE SCSI" controller I would like to get to Is this a Compaq RAID controller? If so, try the driver at: http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~md/ Viren -- Viren R. Shah | Everyone was born right-handed. viren@rstcorp.com | Only the greatest overcome it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 06:26:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28147 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:26:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA27963 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Wed May 6 08:06 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id IAA26904 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:24:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:24:58 -0400 Message-ID: To: steve.shoecraft@microchip.com, julian@whistle.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:24:53 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: Julian Elischer[SMTP:julian@whistle.com] > > We have an NC-server here to evaluate. (from NC corp..) (aka oracle) > > It's a FreeBSD box and it has a fully native FreeBSD oracle on it.. > > My sugestion: > > ask NC corp to sell you a NC server > get the oracle pre-installed :-) > Great! Are they going to sell it separately from NCOS ? Would it be legal to buy a license for SCO and then obtain somewhere the product for FreeBSD (yes, may be buy one NC server) and run it instead ? > If I knew anything about Oracle I'd have tar'd it up and tried > running it on a newer FreeBSD by now.. > Everything related to Oracle should be located in $ORACLE_BASE directory (commonly something like /opt/oracle or /usr/oracle). This directory is sometimes $HOME for Oracle superuser, named commonly like "oracle" or "oracle7". If it is not, that directory is worth copying too. The server itself should be located in $ORACLE_HOME directory (according to their Oracle Common Architecture, it must be something like $ORACLE_BASE/product/7.3.3). There is one file in /etc, /etc/oratab and sometimes the network control files are also put in /etc, so if you see any /etc/*.ora, copy them too. Also there must be some startup/shutdown rc-scripts but they are not very important. After you copy everything, login as Oracle superuser and run "dbstart". This must start the database. "lsnrctl start" must start the network listener. But you will probably need to change the network configuration files before you get the network support running. If you need more directions, ask me how :-) > Steve Shoecraft wrote: > > Let me ask the question I have in another way: > > > > o Is it possible to convert the SCO object files (ELF?) to > what > > FreeBSD uses natively (COFF?)? > > > > o If I can't convert the object files, can I link the object > files > > together to make a binary? > I already had this idea. I can tell you a saga about it :-) I wrote COFF (Oracle 7.1.6 for SCO was using COFF format) to BSD a.out converter and started implementation of SCO-compatible libraries. I took FreeBSD 2.0.5 libraries as base (because they are smaller and simpler than later) and started comparing man pages from SCO and FreeBSD. I have compared all the man pages and have converted about 1/3 of differences (the converted part included base packages like stdio and locale), when my experiments with SCSI I did at the same time led to a big disk crash. The COFF->BSD converter was lost during it but the library sources have survived. It took lots of time to restore from this crash and many things have occurred since that but this work is still in the state when it was before crash. If somebody wants to continue it, I'm ready to provide the part I did and SCO man pages, grouped by compatibility. You will probably also need SCO to generate the test examples. I don't know whether SCO is still distributing their Open Desktop for nominal charge for personal use. That is the sad end of this saga :-( -Serge Babkin working as Oracle DBA now To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 08:14:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13143 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13132 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:14:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22360; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA05330; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:12:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:12:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199805061512.JAA05330@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Archie Cobbs Cc: stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805060028.RAA18956@bubba.whistle.com> References: <220969.3103357457@d254.promo.de> <199805060028.RAA18956@bubba.whistle.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I agree with Stefan's sentiment. It seems like this should be > the paradigm: > > CASE #1: Kernel config file looks like this: > -------------------------------------------- > > device foo0 > > In this case, the kernel automatically configures stuff for driver > foo0. If the BIOS has already configured the card, and that's > acceptable, the kernel can go along. Otherwise, the kernel should > pick resources that are free and configure the card itself. > > > CASE #2: Kernel config file looks like this: > -------------------------------------------- > > device foo0 port 0x220 irq 7 vector foointr > > Kernel should override whatever is already configured in the > card (if anything) with the given values. > > > Does this make sense to anyone else besides me? What are the > technical things that need to be done to make it happen? Changing FreeBSD entirely so that interrupts can be specified in non-ISA devices. BTW - If someone takes on this task, I and the rest of the mobile folks would be very grateful. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 08:19:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13603 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:19:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13576 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:19:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22384; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA05337; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:17:25 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:17:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199805061517.JAA05337@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805060626.XAA01524@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805060028.RAA18956@bubba.whistle.com> <199805060626.XAA01524@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > CASE #1: Kernel config file looks like this: > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > device foo0 > > > > In this case, the kernel automatically configures stuff for driver > > foo0. If the BIOS has already configured the card, and that's > > acceptable, the kernel can go along. Otherwise, the kernel should > > pick resources that are free and configure the card itself. > > > > > > CASE #2: Kernel config file looks like this: > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > device foo0 port 0x220 irq 7 vector foointr > > > > Kernel should override whatever is already configured in the > > card (if anything) with the given values. > > > > > > Does this make sense to anyone else besides me? What are the > > technical things that need to be done to make it happen? > > This actually falls a little short. It's easier to look at it from a > different angle, too. > > For each PnP device/function in the system ... > For each explicitly-configured ISA devices ... Things is, this falls really short for non-ISA/non-PnP devices as well. Think hot-swappable devices, and devices that *really* no one knows about? Also, devices that can use IRQ's, but don't necessarily need them. How do you say 'go ahead and use it', vs. 'don't bother'. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 08:34:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15794 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:34:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oskar.nanoteq.co.za (oskar.nanoteq.co.za [196.37.91.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15691 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbezuide@oskar.nanoteq.co.za) Received: (from rbezuide@localhost) by oskar.nanoteq.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA11420; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:31:46 +0200 (SAT) From: Reinier Bezuidenhout Message-Id: <199805061531.RAA11420@oskar.nanoteq.co.za> Subject: Re: Weird UDP T/P on fxp0/de0 - 2.2.6-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <199805061214.FAA13851@implode.root.com> from David Greenman at "May 6, 98 05:14:52 am" To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:30:30 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ... > I haven't looked at newer versions of ttcp, but the older version, on the > transmitter side, would do a backoff (sleep) whenever it got ENOBUFS from the > kernel. The sleep is tuned for 10Mbps ethernet, so the result is that the > transmitter runs with wild swings filling and draining the kernel's output So this is the part where I go "Oh great master Greenman" :) First off I just removed the delay completely and YES :) the numbers look much better now .. they even increment sequentially from small to large packets ... This will probaly teach me to have a look in the code before I say anything :) Thanx a lot Reinier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 09:34:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25953 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:34:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25910 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25236; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:32:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id LAA28147; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:32:23 -0500 Message-ID: <19980506113222.38033@right.PCS> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:32:22 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Mike Smith Cc: Chuck Robey , Luigi Rizzo , Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? References: <19980503143127.54179@right.PCS> <199805050024.RAA01550@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: <199805050024.RAA01550@antipodes.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on May 05, 1998 at 05:24:07PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On May 05, 1998 at 05:24:07PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > I'm sitting on code that will allow 16-bit BIOS calls from the kernel, > > these could conceivably be used to get the various PnP events. > > I have actually used this code to talk to the PnP BIOS, and this is the > right way to go. Jonathan - have you managed to sort out the issues > related to supporting both 16-bit and 32-bit PM BIOS calls? What if > you had more descriptors available, would it be easier then? No, the showstopper I ran into at this point has to do with stack handling for the 16-bit BIOS. Consider: - the stack must be located in the first 64K following %ss, (the stack base address) since the BIOS often throws away the upper 16-bits. eg: push %esp, pop %sp - %ss is also used to handle kernel interrupts. - trap.c takes a stack-relative address and tries to use this as an absolute address, which normally works, since the stack base is normally at 0. This breaks if we change the stack base location in order to make the BIOS happy. So, I either play some tricks to move the stack into page 0, so that absolute addressing works as well as base:offset addressing, or I need to come up with some form of switching stacks when the kernel is entered. The latter would probably impact fastintr handlers as well, and (IMHO) generate an unacceptable performance impact. The former is probably feasable, but finals here have prevented me from looking at it in more detail. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 09:39:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26403 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:39:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26382 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:39:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08371; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:38:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805061638.JAA08371@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 09:17:25 MDT." <199805061517.JAA05337@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 09:38:22 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The device driver can tell the upper layer which resources it wants or does not need. The gus pnp section of the voxware sound driver behaves fairly much like the enclosed outline and my experience shows that is not that hard to implement granted in the case of the gus pnp module it has no upper layer to talk to however that can easily be done . My point is that the model is feasible. Amancio > > > CASE #1: Kernel config file looks like this: > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > device foo0 > > > > > > In this case, the kernel automatically configures stuff for driver > > > foo0. If the BIOS has already configured the card, and that's > > > acceptable, the kernel can go along. Otherwise, the kernel should > > > pick resources that are free and configure the card itself. > > > > > > > > > CASE #2: Kernel config file looks like this: > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > device foo0 port 0x220 irq 7 vector foointr > > > > > > Kernel should override whatever is already configured in the > > > card (if anything) with the given values. > > > > > > > > > Does this make sense to anyone else besides me? What are the > > > technical things that need to be done to make it happen? > > > > This actually falls a little short. It's easier to look at it from a > > different angle, too. > > > > For each PnP device/function in the system > ... > > For each explicitly-configured ISA devices > ... > > Things is, this falls really short for non-ISA/non-PnP devices as well. > Think hot-swappable devices, and devices that *really* no one knows > about? Also, devices that can use IRQ's, but don't necessarily need > them. How do you say 'go ahead and use it', vs. 'don't bother'. > > > Nate > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 09:44:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27649 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27612 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from fly.mt.sri.com (fly.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.101]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22924; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:43:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@fly.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by fly.mt.sri.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) id KAA16376; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805061643.KAA16376@fly.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Nate Williams , Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805061638.JAA08371@rah.star-gate.com> References: <199805061517.JAA05337@mt.sri.com> <199805061638.JAA08371@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The device driver can tell the upper layer which resources it wants or > does not need. The device driver needs a hint from the user to know whether or not it wants a resource or not. For example, some PCIC controllers don't correctly interrupt when cards are removed/inserted. In this case, we still assign an IRQ to the controller, although all we're doing is wasting an interrupt. Instead of assigning an interrupt, we should simply 'poll' the controller for events, which doesn't work as well *but* still allows the hardware to work. However, the FreeBSD kernel can't determine if the controller is working, so we need a way for the controller probe to be given 'hints' as to whether or not to use an IRQ, and if so a good one to try. The latter is needed because some 'internal' hardware is hidden from the kernel, so if I use the first free interrupt it *may* not be correct for this configuration, so I must tell it which interrupt to use if I want to be safe. In other words, the device driver does *NOT* have enough information to do it's job, hence the current model is incomplete. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 10:20:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03149 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03134 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:20:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA06411; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma006405; Wed May 6 10:19:49 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA23936; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199805061719.KAA23936@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805060822.KAA10052@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "May 6, 98 10:22:35 am" To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: stefan@promo.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo writes: > > I'll take a look on the weekend... > > I have to say that shuffling ideas, suggestions, or requests for > features is a nice thing, but at this point i think we have by far much > more projects than manpower, so what we really need is people start > implementing things. So your last sentence is very appreciated... I'd be willing to help with some of the more "menial" tasks around getting things fixed up. For example, the conversion from drivers using NFOO to dynaically allocated softc structures and foointr(void *) instead of foointr(int).. if you have ideas let me know. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 10:40:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06844 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA06641 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manar@ivision.co.uk) Received: from pretender.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.43] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0yX8Ac-0003d2-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:39:55 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980506183849.00931670@stingray.ivision.co.uk> X-Sender: manarpop@stingray.ivision.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:38:49 +0100 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Manar Hussain Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Tue, 5 May 1998, Ollivier Robert wrote: > >> According to Tom: >> > There is also the commercial BRU for FreeBSD. It does compression by >> > file, and has great verify features. >> >> For larger (and richer) environments, there is an unofficial Legato client >> for 2.2.x. I've been using it for more than 4 months at work and it is >> working really fine. > > But the Legato server is not available for FreeBSD. > > If you have only a moderate amount of data to backup, you might as well >just backup to other cheaper disks. I setup an NFS server with 4 x 8.4GB >IDE drives just for backups. The disks are slow and unreliable by disk >standards, but fast and reliable by tape standards. What we are moving towards for back-ups is to have large IDE drives on a "back-up" machine with partitiona NFS and SMB exported to the client machines (partitioning based on the nature of the clients and their use and who you're happy to see what etc.). Client machines then have an easy time doing as much backing up as they may want. We then shoot the data on the IDE drives to dat once a week or whenever ... with this way you'd also be happy enough to unmount the disk. Manar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 10:46:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08064 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07917 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:45:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manar@ivision.co.uk) Received: from pretender.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.43] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0yX8GR-0003hX-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:45:55 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980506184449.008c6de0@stingray.ivision.co.uk> X-Sender: manarpop@stingray.ivision.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:44:49 +0100 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Manar Hussain Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >We have an NC-server here to evaluate. (from NC corp..) (aka oracle) > >It's a FreeBSD box and it has a fully native FreeBSD oracle on it.. > >My sugestion: > >ask NC corp to sell you a NC server >get the oracle pre-installed :-) > >I haven't tried upgrading to a newer FreeBSD, but My guess is that >it might work. It's NCOS 2.0 (whatever version of FreeBSD on earth >THAT actually is..) > >If I knew anything about Oracle I'd have tar'd it up and tried >running it on a newer FreeBSD by now.. > >julian NCOS 2.0 as used on client NCs is NetBSD based and I'd be fairly amazed if there was any use of FreeBSD over NetBSD on other related products. I used to be involved in NetBSD/ARM (or RiscBSD as it's often called) which is sort of the root of NCOS 2.0 for the Arm based NC - somehow wound up not being involved by the time NCI got the group to work on NCOS2.0 so I'm not fully up to date on things. Don't know but I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was a port oracle to it given the connection between oracle and NCI. BTW - how much was the server? Manar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 11:19:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15169 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (root@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15112 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:18:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA03408; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:18:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:18:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: "Viren R. Shah" cc: Eivind Eklund , Bill Paul , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver In-Reply-To: <199805061303.JAA05475@fault.rstcorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 6 May 1998, Viren R. Shah wrote: > >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Dillon writes: > > Chris> to get that to work.. Mind sharing those patches? :-) I have the onboard > Chris> SCSI and possibly a "Compaq WIDE SCSI" controller I would like to get to > > Is this a Compaq RAID controller? If so, try the driver at: > http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~md/ No. Now that I'm at work, i can more specifically say that it is the "32-Bit Fast-Wide SCSI2/E Controller", which uses the NCR53c825 and a Motorola chip of some kind. A closer look at the embedded chips show that the SCSI controller is a NCR53c710, and the Ethernet is the AMD PCNet-32. They are not a combo as I once thought for some reason. -- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@inter-linc.net --- cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) (http://www.freebsd.org) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 11:33:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18083 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:33:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (lee@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net [208.213.203.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17972 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lee@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net) Received: (from lee@localhost) by st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA05863; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:33:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19980506143301.16865@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:33:01 -0400 From: Lee Cremeans To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Porting from BSDi to FreeBSD -- how difficult? Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE (soon to be 3.0-CURRENT) X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have been asked to port a PCI device driver from BSDi 4.0 to FreeBSD -stable...how difficult would this task be? I've not worked with BSDi before, and I know there are some similarities, ut I want to know if this would be something that would drown me. Thanks.. -- Lee C. -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet #watertower) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | lcremean@tidalwave.net FreeBSD/Linux/Unix hacker...Win95 and M$ evil! (go see www.freebsd.org) My home page: http://st-lcremean.tidalwave.net/~lee | finger me for geek code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 12:07:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24197 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24185 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25139; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd025126; Wed May 6 19:05:08 1998 Message-ID: <3550B45F.446B9B3D@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:05:03 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Open Systems Networking CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP softupdates users problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG thanks for the comment.. I don't think that soft-updates is SMP safe yet, so it might not be a good idea.. I'm surprised it ran as much as it did :-) julian Open Systems Networking wrote: > > For those not aware running softupdates on SMP as I have been is pretty > unstable for me. And when it crashes it has taken the last file I was > doing anything with and nukes it. I was editing my .cshrc file saved it > fired up netscape and the machine wedged rebooted and .cshrc is gone. > > Just a warning to anyone thinking about running them on an SMP box, be > prepared to loose stuff when it vomits. > > Chris > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 12:10:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24520 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24452; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:09:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25033; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd025023; Wed May 6 19:01:33 1998 Message-ID: <3550B389.2781E494@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:01:29 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ruslan Ermilov CC: Steve Shoecraft , potok@friko.onet.pl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: <0004B46F.1332@microchip.com> <354FA5AE.15FB7483@whistle.com> <19980506105932.A20977@ucb.crimea.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 04:50:06PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > > We have an NC-server here to evaluate. (from NC corp..) (aka oracle) > > > > It's a FreeBSD box and it has a fully native FreeBSD oracle on it.. > > What do you mean by "native" ? > AFAIK there is no Oracle Server version for BSD unixes... no, it's a native FreeBSD binary, compiled on the FreeBSD NC-server. > > > > > My sugestion: > > > > ask NC corp to sell you a NC server > > get the oracle pre-installed :-) > > > > I haven't tried upgrading to a newer FreeBSD, but My guess is that > > it might work. It's NCOS 2.0 (whatever version of FreeBSD on earth > > THAT actually is..) > > > > If I knew anything about Oracle I'd have tar'd it up and tried > > running it on a newer FreeBSD by now.. > > > > > > julian > > -- > Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator > ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank > +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea > 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 12:22:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27865 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:22:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA27719 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA10807; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:48:20 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805061748.TAA10807@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Porting from BSDi to FreeBSD -- how difficult? To: lcremean@tidalwave.net Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:48:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980506143301.16865@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net> from "Lee Cremeans" at May 6, 98 02:32:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have been asked to port a PCI device driver from BSDi 4.0 to FreeBSD > -stable...how difficult would this task be? I've not worked with BSDi > before, and I know there are some similarities, ut I want to know if this > would be something that would drown me. i think /sys/pci/brooktree848.c works on both bsdi and freebsd so you can find it a useful reference. not sure if the same applies to if_de.c luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 12:28:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29439 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29399; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25821; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd025814; Wed May 6 19:20:36 1998 Message-ID: <3550B800.794BDF32@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:20:32 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG CC: steve.shoecraft@microchip.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sbabkin@dcn.att.com wrote: > > > ---------- > > From: Julian Elischer[SMTP:julian@whistle.com] > > > > We have an NC-server here to evaluate. (from NC corp..) (aka oracle) > > > > It's a FreeBSD box and it has a fully native FreeBSD oracle on it.. > > > > My sugestion: > > > > ask NC corp to sell you a NC server > > get the oracle pre-installed :-) > > > Great! Are they going to sell it separately from NCOS ? Would > it be legal to buy a license for SCO and then obtain > somewhere the product for FreeBSD (yes, may be buy one NC server) > and run it instead ? I don't know. Your best bet is to ask them. Apparently they have caved in and are going to use NT instead of FreeBSD in the future, so there is no surity that it will always be available. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 12:48:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04160 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04109 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26595; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd026591; Wed May 6 19:40:46 1998 Message-ID: <3550BCBB.3F54BC7E@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:40:43 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manar Hussain CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: <3.0.5.32.19980506184449.008c6de0@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Manar Hussain wrote: > >ask NC corp to sell you a NC server > >get the oracle pre-installed :-) > > > >I haven't tried upgrading to a newer FreeBSD, but My guess is that > >it might work. It's NCOS 2.0 (whatever version of FreeBSD on earth > >THAT actually is..) > > [..] > >julian > > NCOS 2.0 as used on client NCs is NetBSD based and I'd be fairly amazed if > there was any use of FreeBSD over NetBSD on other related products. I used > to be involved in NetBSD/ARM (or RiscBSD as it's often called) which is > sort of the root of NCOS 2.0 for the Arm based NC - somehow wound up not > being involved by the time NCI got the group to work on NCOS2.0 so I'm not > fully up to date on things. Don't know but I wouldn't be at all surprised > if there was a port oracle to it given the connection between oracle and NCI. > no, it is FreeBSD.. the CLIENTS are NetBSD, but the SERVER is definitly FreeBSD.. (I logged in and had a look around..) > BTW - how much was the server? No idea, we have it on demo. > > Manar > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 13:06:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08722 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from london.physics.purdue.edu (london.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.67.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08634 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajk@physics.purdue.edu) Received: from physics.purdue.edu (poynting.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.58]) by london.physics.purdue.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20428 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:06:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3550C2C6.6A7429C1@physics.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:06:30 -0500 From: "Andrew J. Korty" Organization: Physics Computer Network, Purdue Univeristy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Disabling NFS attribute cache Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We want to run hlfsd (part of the BSD automounter utilities suite), which seems to require the ability to disable the attribute cache on the NFS filesystem it creates. According to the documentation one can force it to run anyway, but since it operates by returning different values for the same symbolic link depending on how it's accessed, any amount of caching may cause incorrect values to be returned. I assume disabling the cache is possible under FreeBSD, but hlfsd and I just don't know how. Please enlighten us. :-) Thanks ... Andrew J. Korty http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~ajk/ Software Specialist Physics Computer Network 85 73 1F 04 63 D9 9D 65 Purdue University 65 2E 7A A8 81 8C 45 75 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 13:30:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14591 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA14551 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yXAPk-00075j-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:03:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: lcremean@tidalwave.net cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Porting from BSDi to FreeBSD -- how difficult? In-Reply-To: <19980506143301.16865@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 6 May 1998, Lee Cremeans wrote: > I have been asked to port a PCI device driver from BSDi 4.0 to FreeBSD > -stable...how difficult would this task be? I've not worked with BSDi > before, and I know there are some similarities, ut I want to know if this > would be something that would drown me. > > Thanks.. Depends a lot on the type of driver: ethernet, SCSI, sound, serial, etc. I expect that ethernet would be the easiest, but I don't know much about BSDI 4.0 > -- > Lee C. -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet #watertower) > A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did > $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | lcremean@tidalwave.net > FreeBSD/Linux/Unix hacker...Win95 and M$ evil! (go see www.freebsd.org) > My home page: http://st-lcremean.tidalwave.net/~lee | finger me for geek code > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 13:34:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15407 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from prometheus.Microchip.COM ([198.175.253.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15397; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Steve.Shoecraft@microchip.com) Received: by prometheus.Microchip.COM; id AA03728; Wed, 6 May 98 13:57:57 MST Received: from loghost(172.16.245.37) by prometheus.Microchip.COM via smap (3.2) id xma003596; Wed, 6 May 98 13:57:29 -0700 Received: from chccm2.microchip.com (chccm2.Microchip.COM [172.16.245.42]) by titan.Microchip.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA13013; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:38:57 -0700 Received: from ccMail by chccm2.microchip.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0004C1DE; Wed, 6 May 98 13:27:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:27:11 -0700 Message-Id: <0004C1DE.1332@microchip.com> From: steve.shoecraft@microchip.com (Steve Shoecraft) To: Julian Elischer Cc: potok@friko.onet.pl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[2]: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.044684498" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --IMA.Boundary.044684498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I'm running 3.0 SNAP right now, and would be happy to give it a try for you ;) If Oracle was installed correctly, all you would need to do would be to tar up the entire oracle home directory. The oracle user (group dba) should have a subdirectory called 'product' in it's home directory, with another subdirectory (7.3.x.x...) in it. This should contain the binaries (bin, dbs, rbdms, orainst, etc.). Another subdirectory (in the oracle user's home) should be admin, with stuff like bdump, cdump, scripts, etc. But, like I said, I don't know how they installed it. Another way to find out where the binaries are located is to examine your ORACLE_HOME environment variable, or look in /etc/oratab. All the binaries are located in ORACLE_HOME, so I can just tar that up and bring it over to another system. It'd be no problem for me to FTP the tar file and give it try... I PROMISE I'll delete it when I'm done... - Steve ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Author: Julian Elischer at Internet_Exchange Date: 5/5/98 4:50 PM We have an NC-server here to evaluate. (from NC corp..) (aka oracle) It's a FreeBSD box and it has a fully native FreeBSD oracle on it.. My sugestion: ask NC corp to sell you a NC server get the oracle pre-installed :-) I haven't tried upgrading to a newer FreeBSD, but My guess is that it might work. It's NCOS 2.0 (whatever version of FreeBSD on earth THAT actually is..) If I knew anything about Oracle I'd have tar'd it up and tried running it on a newer FreeBSD by now.. julian Steve Shoecraft wrote: > > > > I too run Oracle 7 (7.3.3.5.1) on HP-UX (10.20). I thought it'd be > great if I could get it running at home on my FreeBSD box. FTP'd the > image from Oracle and installed it. Seems to work great, like I said, > except the networking (SQL*Net). > > The note you attached indicated that I should install Oracle on an SCO > box, then copy the stuff over to FreeBSD. I don't have an SCO box, > and would still like to re-link SQL*Net. > > Let me ask the question I have in another way: > > o Is it possible to convert the SCO object files (ELF?) to what > FreeBSD uses natively (COFF?)? > > o If I can't convert the object files, can I link the object files > together to make a binary? > > - Steve > > ______ --IMA.Boundary.044684498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from titan.Microchip.COM (172.16.245.37) by chccm2.microchip.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0004B6CB; Tue, 5 May 98 16:55:13 -0700 Received: from prometheus.Microchip.COM (firewall-user@prometheus-gate.Microchip.COM [198.175.253.129]) by titan.Microchip.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA28033 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:03:53 -0700 Received: by prometheus.Microchip.COM; id AA19061; Tue, 5 May 98 17:22:21 MST Received: from alpo.whistle.com(207.76.204.38) by prometheus.Microchip.COM via smap (3.2) id xma019006; Tue, 5 May 98 17:22:03 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29558; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd029550; Tue May 5 23:50:14 1998 Sender: julian@whistle.com Message-Id: <354FA5AE.15FB7483@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:50:06 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Shoecraft Cc: potok@friko.onet.pl, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: <0004B46F.1332@microchip.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --IMA.Boundary.044684498-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 13:37:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16131 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16094 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:37:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dyson@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07457; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:37:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dyson) Message-Id: <199805062037.PAA07457@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980506184449.008c6de0@stingray.ivision.co.uk> from Manar Hussain at "May 6, 98 06:44:49 pm" To: manar@ivision.co.uk (Manar Hussain) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:37:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > NCOS 2.0 as used on client NCs is NetBSD based and I'd be fairly amazed if > there was any use of FreeBSD over NetBSD on other related products. I used > to be involved in NetBSD/ARM (or RiscBSD as it's often called) which is > sort of the root of NCOS 2.0 for the Arm based NC - somehow wound up not > being involved by the time NCI got the group to work on NCOS2.0 so I'm not > fully up to date on things. Don't know but I wouldn't be at all surprised > if there was a port oracle to it given the connection between oracle and NCI. > > BTW - how much was the server? > Take a look at my bottom mail address :-). I can assert that FreeBSD is used (and will in the future be used) as the server platform (along with commercial software), and NetBSD (perhaps FreeBSD) will be in the clients. The ARM platform is being deprecated for now, and we are biasing in the direction of Intel. There is the probability of MIPS or PowerPC also. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 13:39:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16627 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:39:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from prometheus.Microchip.COM ([198.175.253.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA16567 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Steve.Shoecraft@microchip.com) Received: by prometheus.Microchip.COM; id AA04687; Wed, 6 May 98 14:02:33 MST Received: from loghost(172.16.245.37) by prometheus.Microchip.COM via smap (3.2) id xma004616; Wed, 6 May 98 14:02:03 -0700 Received: from chccm2.microchip.com (chccm2.Microchip.COM [172.16.245.42]) by titan.Microchip.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA13182; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:43:31 -0700 Received: from ccMail by chccm2.microchip.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0004C20F; Wed, 6 May 98 13:33:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:34:48 -0700 Message-Id: <0004C20F.1332@microchip.com> From: steve.shoecraft@microchip.com (Steve Shoecraft) To: julian@whistle.com, sbabkin@dcn.att.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[2]: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.418684498" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --IMA.Boundary.418684498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Serge, If you send me the sources for your COFF->BSD object file converter, I'll create a version of Oracle native to FreeBSD... So, the ending may not be so sad after all... - Steve working as a software engineer now ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Author: sbabkin@dcn.att.com at Internet_Exchange Date: 5/6/98 9:24 AM > ---------- > From: Julian Elischer[SMTP:julian@whistle.com] > > We have an NC-server here to evaluate. (from NC corp..) (aka oracle) > > It's a FreeBSD box and it has a fully native FreeBSD oracle on it.. > > My sugestion: > > ask NC corp to sell you a NC server > get the oracle pre-installed :-) > Great! Are they going to sell it separately from NCOS ? Would it be legal to buy a license for SCO and then obtain somewhere the product for FreeBSD (yes, may be buy one NC server) and run it instead ? > If I knew anything about Oracle I'd have tar'd it up and tried > running it on a newer FreeBSD by now.. > Everything related to Oracle should be located in $ORACLE_BASE directory (commonly something like /opt/oracle or /usr/oracle). This directory is sometimes $HOME for Oracle superuser, named commonly like "oracle" or "oracle7". If it is not, that directory is worth copying too. The server itself should be located in $ORACLE_HOME directory (according to their Oracle Common Architecture, it must be something like $ORACLE_BASE/product/7.3.3). There is one file in /etc, /etc/oratab and sometimes the network control files are also put in /etc, so if you see any /etc/*.ora, copy them too. Also there must be some startup/shutdown rc-scripts but they are not very important. After you copy everything, login as Oracle superuser and run "dbstart". This must start the database. "lsnrctl start" must start the network listener. But you will probably need to change the network configuration files before you get the network support running. If you need more directions, ask me how :-) > Steve Shoecraft wrote: > > Let me ask the question I have in another way: > > > > o Is it possible to convert the SCO object files (ELF?) to > what > > FreeBSD uses natively (COFF?)? > > > > o If I can't convert the object files, can I link the object > files > > together to make a binary? > I already had this idea. I can tell you a saga about it :-) I wrote COFF (Oracle 7.1.6 for SCO was using COFF format) to BSD a.out converter and started implementation of SCO-compatible libraries. I took FreeBSD 2.0.5 libraries as base (because they are smaller and simpler than later) and started comparing man pages from SCO and FreeBSD. I have compared all the man pages and have converted about 1/3 of differences (the converted part included base packages like stdio and locale), when my experiments with SCSI I did at the same time led to a big disk crash. The COFF->BSD converter was lost during it but the library sources have survived. It took lots of time to restore from this crash and many things have occurred since that but this work is still in the state when it was before crash. If somebody wants to continue it, I'm ready to provide the part I did and SCO man pages, grouped by compatibility. You will probably also need SCO to generate the test examples. I don't know whether SCO is still distributing their Open Desktop for nominal charge for personal use. That is the sad end of this saga :-( -Serge Babkin working as Oracle DBA now --IMA.Boundary.418684498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from titan.Microchip.COM (172.16.245.37) by chccm2.microchip.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0004BC9F; Wed, 6 May 98 06:22:27 -0700 Received: from prometheus.Microchip.COM (firewall-user@prometheus-gate.Microchip.COM [198.175.253.129]) by titan.Microchip.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA06766 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:31:08 -0700 From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by prometheus.Microchip.COM; id AA19873; Wed, 6 May 98 06:49:38 MST Received: from kcgw1.att.com(192.128.133.151) by prometheus.Microchip.COM via smap (3.2) id xma019866; Wed, 6 May 98 06:49:10 -0700 Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Wed May 6 08:25 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id IAA23947 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:24:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:24:58 -0400 Message-Id: To: steve.shoecraft@Microchip.COM, julian@whistle.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:24:53 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain --IMA.Boundary.418684498-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 13:48:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18746 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18648 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:47:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Wed May 6 15:29 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA02164 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:47:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:47:38 -0400 Message-ID: To: steve.shoecraft@microchip.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Re[2]: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 16:47:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: > steve.shoecraft@microchip.com[SMTP:steve.shoecraft@microchip.com] > > > <> > > Serge, > > If you send me the sources for your COFF->BSD object file > converter, I'll create a version of Oracle native to FreeBSD... > The problem is that this converter was lost during that spectacular crash together with sources. I hoped that I have shared it with someone but it appeared that I did not. > > So, the ending may not be so sad after all... > Until you are going to rewrite this converter (that was rather simple, I can provide you with COFF man pages and sample code that parses COFF and BSD executables) and do the rest of creating the SCO compatibility library without which you will not be able to build the executables, it's still sad. -Serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 15:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00718 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from prometheus.Microchip.COM ([198.175.253.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00683 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:09:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Steve.Shoecraft@microchip.com) Received: by prometheus.Microchip.COM; id AA19426; Wed, 6 May 98 15:33:15 MST Received: from loghost(172.16.245.37) by prometheus.Microchip.COM via smap (3.2) id xma019381; Wed, 6 May 98 15:33:00 -0700 Received: from chccm2.microchip.com (chccm2.Microchip.COM [172.16.245.42]) by titan.Microchip.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA14575; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:14:28 -0700 Received: from ccMail by chccm2.microchip.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0004C32F; Wed, 6 May 98 15:04:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:03:22 -0700 Message-Id: <0004C32F.1332@microchip.com> From: steve.shoecraft@microchip.com (Steve Shoecraft) To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[4]: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.272294498" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --IMA.Boundary.272294498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Cool. Send me the info. - Steve ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Re[2]: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Author: sbabkin@dcn.att.com at Internet_Exchange Date: 5/6/98 4:47 PM > ---------- > From: > steve.shoecraft@microchip.com[SMTP:steve.shoecraft@microchip.com] > > > <> > > Serge, > > If you send me the sources for your COFF->BSD object file > converter, I'll create a version of Oracle native to FreeBSD... > The problem is that this converter was lost during that spectacular crash together with sources. I hoped that I have shared it with someone but it appeared that I did not. > > So, the ending may not be so sad after all... > Until you are going to rewrite this converter (that was rather simple, I can provide you with COFF man pages and sample code that parses COFF and BSD executables) and do the rest of creating the SCO compatibility library without which you will not be able to build the executables, it's still sad. -Serge --IMA.Boundary.272294498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from titan.Microchip.COM (172.16.245.37) by chccm2.microchip.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0004C23C; Wed, 6 May 98 13:45:05 -0700 Received: from prometheus.Microchip.COM (firewall-user@prometheus-gate.Microchip.COM [198.175.253.129]) by titan.Microchip.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA13341 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:53:46 -0700 From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by prometheus.Microchip.COM; id AA06387; Wed, 6 May 98 14:12:16 MST Received: from kcgw1.att.com(192.128.133.151) by prometheus.Microchip.COM via smap (3.2) id xma006372; Wed, 6 May 98 14:12:07 -0700 Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Wed May 6 15:48 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA21188 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:47:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:47:38 -0400 Message-Id: To: steve.shoecraft@Microchip.COM Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Re[2]: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 16:47:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain --IMA.Boundary.272294498-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 15:38:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06668 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp7257.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.249.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06578 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA01244; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:32:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:32:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Snob Art Genre cc: "Ron G. Minnich" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: an interesting problem with pkg_add In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 5 May 1998, Snob Art Genre wrote: > I had this happen to me back in the days of 2.1.5, only it was just my > home directory that got eaten. > > JKH assured me that the bug was fixed in 2.1.6. :-( I recall a similar personal assurance, once. We should start a big signing club or something. ;-) I actually managed to run into two of the directory trashing bugs, but after the first one I learnt my lesson and always ran pkg_add(1) in an empty dir, so the 2nd was pretty harmless. [Never did report that 2nd either, come to think of it]. That's what the backup switch on your hdd is for, folks! :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 16:45:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17028 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (a04m.cet.co.jp [202.32.65.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16988 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00610; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805062230.PAA00610@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Archie Cobbs cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo), stefan@promo.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 10:19:49 PDT." <199805061719.KAA23936@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:30:24 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Luigi Rizzo writes: > > > I'll take a look on the weekend... > > > > I have to say that shuffling ideas, suggestions, or requests for > > features is a nice thing, but at this point i think we have by far much > > more projects than manpower, so what we really need is people start > > implementing things. So your last sentence is very appreciated... > > I'd be willing to help with some of the more "menial" tasks around > getting things fixed up. For example, the conversion from drivers > using NFOO to dynaically allocated softc structures and foointr(void *) > instead of foointr(int).. if you have ideas let me know. Those two alone would be bloody wonderful. You might want to think about how to get the softc pointer inside other functions (open/close/ read/write). This latter probably calls for passing a token to the devfs creation functions, which is passed back instead of the dev_t. Julian and I have talked about this before - you should be able to extract the gist of this from him pretty quickly. More importantly, you can do this incrementally. A driver a day should be pretty achievable. 8) Thanks! -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 17:30:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26254 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:30:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26145 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-163.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.163]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA32410; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:29:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA19128; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:29:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805070029.TAA19128@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Eivind Eklund cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: cvs woes In-reply-to: Message from Eivind Eklund of "Sat, 02 May 1998 16:16:36 +0200." <19980502161636.40296@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:29:49 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eivind Eklund writes: > On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 08:52:38PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > [... of directories CVS don't know about ...] > > Have attempted removing the questioned directories. No more complaints > > from cvs, but the directories are not restored after an update. > > > > I use cvsup to update my /home/ncvs. > > > > Short of "rm -rf /usr/{ports,src}" and starting over, how can I correct > > this mess? (/usr/src is in the same state) > > The above is a result of CVS being 'somewhat less than graceful' about > not having enough memory. When adding directories, it should really > update CVS/Entries in a two-phase commit before actually extracting > the directory. This would let it fail gracefully (ie, a new 'cvs > update' would bring it to the correct state). How much memory does it take? I only have 64M and another 128M of swap. > Now, since it doesn't, you're more or less screwed. What you can do: > > Blow the unknown directories away and do a 'cvs update' (simplest). > This should get you up to date correctly, unless you've got patches in > the unknown directories. That's the strangest thing. "cvs update" was not restoring the deleted directories. > The below will probably get you up to date correctly no matter what, > but involves 'more magic' and is only slightly tested (ie, I looked > the output over without the shell pipe, but I didn't actually _run_ it > :-) > > cvs update 2> /dev/null | perl -ne 'if (/^\? (.*)\/(.*)/ && -d "$1/CVS") {pri > nt "(cd $1 && echo \"D/$2////\" >> CVS/Entries)\n";} elsif(/^\? (.*)/ && -d " > $1/CVS") {print "echo \"D/$1////\" >> CVS/Entries\n"};' | csh > > This run through the output of cvs, checks for any unknown directories > which has a CVS subdir, and add those to CVS/Entries of the parent > directory. Thanks for the valiant effort. Ran the above with apparently no problems but it didn't fix the problems. :-( > You will have to run it several times if the subdirs of the newly > added subdirs are missing their CVS/Entries entries, and it won't > solve any piece where the CVS subdir of a subdir hasn't been created > at all. The problem directories all appeared to be the "bottom" directory where ever. Have since concluded that I've had all the fun I can stand and learned as much as I care to right now about cvs. I didn't have any custom stuff in either place (other than /usr/ports/distfiles and my kernel config file). So after moving those things to a safe place I removed /usr/src and /usr/ports and have started over with a fresh checkout. As I mentioned earlier, not sure how it happened other than I've had several system freezes when "cvs -q update" was running, Netscape 3.01 was open, and pppd had a connection. Four or five times, those three things were required to freeze. So I'm tempting fate again. Haven't had a freeze since replacing a very old /etc/login.conf. Netscape, pppd, and cvs are running at this very moment. The freeze never occurs until cvs is very near the end of its tasks. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 17:31:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26445 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:31:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26388; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:30:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id UAA13838; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:30:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Julian Elischer cc: sbabkin@dcn.att.com, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, steve.shoecraft@microchip.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3550B800.794BDF32@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 6 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > I don't know. Your best bet is to ask them. > Apparently they have caved in and are going to use NT instead > of FreeBSD in the future, so there is no surity that it will > always be available. WHAT!!! Say it isn't so!!! John? Why would they do such an insanely stupid move. The cost of using NT vs FreeBSD as the base surely has to be a very stupid move in the eyes of the suits. I mean unles oracle has just decided to burn their money for no reason. Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 17:35:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27084 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:35:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27010; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:34:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dyson@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08551; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:34:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dyson) Message-Id: <199805070034.TAA08551@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: from Open Systems Networking at "May 6, 98 08:30:24 pm" To: opsys@mail.webspan.net (Open Systems Networking) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:34:18 -0500 (EST) Cc: julian@whistle.com, sbabkin@dcn.att.com, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, steve.shoecraft@microchip.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Open Systems Networking said: > On Wed, 6 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > I don't know. Your best bet is to ask them. > > Apparently they have caved in and are going to use NT instead > > of FreeBSD in the future, so there is no surity that it will > > always be available. > > WHAT!!! Say it isn't so!!! John? > Why would they do such an insanely stupid move. > The cost of using NT vs FreeBSD as the base surely has to be a very stupid > move in the eyes of the suits. I mean unles oracle has just decided to > burn their money for no reason. > Oracle IS adopting NT more and more, but that has little to do with us. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 17:40:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28319 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:40:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28200 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA25911; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA06961; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:39:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:39:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199805070039.SAA06961@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805062212.PAA00530@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805061517.JAA05337@mt.sri.com> <199805062212.PAA00530@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Things is, this falls really short for non-ISA/non-PnP devices as well. > > No, it doesn't. But I may not have answered your specific qualms. > > > Think hot-swappable devices, and devices that *really* no one knows > > about? > > Yes, what about them? How about a concrete problem rather than FUD? There's no FUD. You just erased my specific examples. > > Also, devices that can use IRQ's, but don't necessarily need > > them. How do you say 'go ahead and use it', vs. 'don't bother'. > > Huh? You must specifically be talking about the resource starvation > case where the "can but don't have to" device comes up before a "must > have" device and takes the last interrupt. No, I'm talking about cases where hardware *can* use IRQ's, but don't need them. > Firstly, there aren't too many devices in the "can but don't have to" > class, so this is a pathalogical example. But it's an example of something we need to have now. (Like, if it were there, I could use it today.) Right not, to get a 'real' interrupt, you must be an ISA device. Otherwise, you've got to hope for the best. This is simply bogus. And, sysctl is a *huge* hack that's completely incapable of dealing with it. You can't tell a device to not use an interrupt via a sysctl, since by the time the syctl is active it's much too late. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 17:42:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28723 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28625 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA25932; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:40:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA06968; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:40:52 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:40:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199805070040.SAA06968@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , Amancio Hasty , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805062219.PAA00563@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805061643.KAA16376@fly.mt.sri.com> <199805062219.PAA00563@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > The device driver can tell the upper layer which resources it wants or > > > does not need. > > > > The device driver needs a hint from the user to know whether or not it > > wants a resource or not. > > Sure. Stick a sysctl variable in there. Too late. The hardware is already probed. > The principal issue with using the PnP BIOS ... Forget about PnP BIOS. We need a solution that is *NOT* specific to PnP. The solution proposed is way too specific to PnP cards, and we need a solution that is slightly bigger than them. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 17:53:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01396 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01338 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:52:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA26439; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:52:42 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA09235; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:52:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980507025242.48058@follo.net> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:52:42 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: David Kelly Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs woes References: <199805070029.TAA19128@nospam.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805070029.TAA19128@nospam.hiwaay.net>; from David Kelly on Wed, May 06, 1998 at 07:29:49PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 07:29:49PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > Eivind Eklund writes: > > The above is a result of CVS being 'somewhat less than graceful' about > > not having enough memory. When adding directories, it should really > > update CVS/Entries in a two-phase commit before actually extracting > > the directory. This would let it fail gracefully (ie, a new 'cvs > > update' would bring it to the correct state). > > How much memory does it take? I only have 64M and another 128M of swap. That should be enough physical memory - the question is how your limits are set (ie, login.conf and ulimit are your friend.) > > Now, since it doesn't, you're more or less screwed. What you can do: > > > > Blow the unknown directories away and do a 'cvs update' (simplest). > > This should get you up to date correctly, unless you've got patches in > > the unknown directories. > > That's the strangest thing. "cvs update" was not restoring the deleted > directories. That's because they're missing from the metadata for CVS in their parent directory, thus CVS think they're directories you have created that just happen to be in the way of ones it would like to create. > As I mentioned earlier, not sure how it happened other than I've had > several system freezes when "cvs -q update" was running, Netscape 3.01 > was open, and pppd had a connection. Four or five times, those three > things were required to freeze. Strange. Sound like a problem with the kernel ppp driver that is triggered by /usr/sbin/pppd running out of memory. > So I'm tempting fate again. Haven't had a freeze since replacing a very > old /etc/login.conf. Netscape, pppd, and cvs are running at this very > moment. The freeze never occurs until cvs is very near the end of its > tasks. I believe cvs accumulate memory all through its task (ie, it doesn't free as much as it should), but I might be wrong. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 18:18:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04714 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:18:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04663 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA26971; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:18:05 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id DAA09485; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:18:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980507031803.45094@follo.net> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:18:03 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Snob Art Genre Cc: "Ron G. Minnich" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: an interesting problem with pkg_add References: <19995.894391274@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19995.894391274@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:01:14AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:01:14AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I know these bugs were extremely pathological and if I hadn't already > done my best to chase down and fix them, I'd feel a lot worse than I > do right now about it. Having fixed it (knock on wood), all I can say > at this stage is "man, I'm sorry Ron! I hope you had backups and I > only wish you'd hit ^C *after* the package tools had been upgraded to > 2.2-stable!" :-) When I read the 3.0-current sources, I see something that looks like a race condition. Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, if a sprintf to LogDir is interrupted by a signal the vsystem() call can happen on a partially filled LogDir buffer. There are other parts of the code that is so twisted that I won't hazard a guess as to whether this is the last bug or not. A patch like the following would fix the race, but overall the code need a large cleanup if we're to be certain it work correct. E.g, the signal handler now malloc()s memory (bringing in another race), and none of the communication with signal handler seem to be done atomically. Index: perform.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/add/perform.c,v retrieving revision 1.49 diff -u -r1.49 perform.c --- perform.c 1998/02/16 17:16:14 1.49 +++ perform.c 1998/05/07 01:10:50 @@ -33,6 +33,7 @@ static int pkg_do(char *); static int sanity_check(char *); static char LogDir[FILENAME_MAX]; +static int zapLogDir; /* Should we delete LogDir? */ int pkg_perform(char **pkgs) @@ -73,6 +74,7 @@ int inPlace; code = 0; + zapLogDir = 0; LogDir[0] = '\0'; strcpy(playpen, FirstPen); inPlace = 0; @@ -364,6 +366,7 @@ goto success; /* well, partial anyway */ } sprintf(LogDir, "%s/%s", (tmp = getenv(PKG_DBDIR)) ? tmp : DEF_LOG_DIR, PkgName); + zapLogDir = 1; if (Verbose) printf("Attempting to record package into %s..\n", LogDir); if (make_hierarchy(LogDir)) { @@ -476,7 +479,7 @@ in_cleanup = 1; if (signo) printf("Signal %d received, cleaning up..\n", signo); - if (!Fake && LogDir[0]) + if (!Fake && zapLogDir && LogDir[0]) vsystem("%s -rf %s", REMOVE_CMD, LogDir); leave_playpen(); } Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 18:40:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07977 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07870 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA15738; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:08:02 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805070138.LAA15738@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 09:17:25 CST." <199805061517.JAA05337@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:08:02 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Things is, this falls really short for non-ISA/non-PnP devices as well. > Think hot-swappable devices, and devices that *really* no one knows > about? Also, devices that can use IRQ's, but don't necessarily need > them. How do you say 'go ahead and use it', vs. 'don't bother'. It's also not very useful for devices which use multiple IRQs, and ports etc.. port0 .. port1 .. would be useful for that.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 19:17:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14414 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14344; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA10565; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd010559; Thu May 7 02:11:56 1998 Message-ID: <35511868.2781E494@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:11:52 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Shoecraft CC: potok@friko.onet.pl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: <0004C1DE.1332@microchip.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Shoecraft wrote: > >It'd be no problem for me to FTP the tar file and give it try... I > PROMISE I'll delete it when I'm done... > That wouldn't be quite what nc had in mind by 'demo' :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 19:32:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16962 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (daemon@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16944 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05420; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:32:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd005326; Wed May 6 19:32:24 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA19518; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:32:23 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805070232.TAA19518@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:32:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 5, 98 10:52:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > What? Was something about my message unclear? restore dies with a > "hole in map". You can also search the PR database for that phrase to > find an indentical report to the one I filed. You are assuming that the "hole in map" is there because dump put it there (which is unlikely), or because there was actually a hole in the map, faithfully copied (which is unlikely, but possible, if you partition didn't pass fsck prior to dump). Vs. because your tape is/went bad and/or has a bad electrical connection. So far we have the following possibilities, wchich I would like to eliminate one-by-one: o It may be the IDE disk (D) o It may be the IDE controller (D) o It may be the IDE controller driver (D) o It may be the raw disk device driver (D) o It may be the SCSI controller (T) o It may be the SCSI controller driver (T) o It may be the raw tape device driver (T) o It may be the admixture of an IDE controller that fails when used in combination with a SCSI controller (D) o It may be the tape drive's default block size (H) o It may be the tape drive's firmware (H) o It may be the media you are using (M) o It may be dump (S) o It may be restore (S) Below I detail some steps to tell whether or not it is in the path of (T) or whether or not it is in the path of (S). You need to take these steps before you can point at 2 of the thirteen possible failure spots and say with confidence "it's dump/restore". > The tape and drive are ok. I tar'ed the entire filesystem up, newfs the > filesystem, and untar the tape, and it works great (which I have done as a > test. Tar does not complain about bad tape blocks, because it can't consistency check them, having no check fields. It will happily write zeroed blocks into your files. Restore is more sensitive to the problem, because restore requires that the referential integrity of the files written to disk be intact. Did you do MD5 checksums before and after, and compare the results? > > What is the controller for the tape drive? > > 2940UW > > > Which driver is responsible for that controller? > > ahc With or without the CAM patches? > > What exact model of tape drive are you using? > > Quantum DLT 4000 > > > What exact brand of tapes are you using? > > Quantum DLT IV You are positive you are using the st/mt command to select a block size for this before starting the dump, right? DAT drives are notoriously finicky about default block size selection. > > What is the controller for the disk showing the problem? > > EIDE This doesn't tell me if it is a CMD640B chip, or an Intel chip, either of which can lose their minds if you take SCSI interrrupts while doing a data transfer. I can't rule out a controller failure without this information. You should fsck your disk a number of times in rapid succession and see if the cylinder group bitmaps are "corrupted". This can happen with IDE cables that are slightly out of spec. (generally: too long). > > What exact model of disk drive are you using? > > Maxtor DiamondMax 8.4GB > > > Are you overclocking your processor? > > No. > > You know what a much better test would be? I can do a dump, read the > first hundred megs or so with dd into a file, and send it to you. Since > "restore -t" reports the "hole in map" within seconds, it obviously hasn't > read very far into the tape yet, so doing a restore from a disk file > should have the same result. Or better, you could dump to a disk instead of to a tape, then also dump to a tape, and then do an MD5 checksum of the images and see if they match, in order to isolate it to "tape or software" vs. "disk or software". Also, a partial dump should exhibit the same problems, since "it obviously hasn't read very far into the tape yet". Which means you don't need to write very far into the tape to trigger the problem. Which means you can do the expriment with a disk image without the disk containing the image needing to be larger than the disk being dumped. You should also simply dump through MD5 to see if the MD5 checksum changes between dump attempts. If it does, the problem is in dump and/or the raw disk device driver. If it doesn't, the problem is in the tape or the restore. If the image restores without the panic, then the problem is in the tape driver, controller, drive, or media. I'm not being a hardass here. Software doesn't mutate, so the problem should be capable of being isolated. I'm just doing fault isolation via email, and it's not very efficient. It would help if I could repeat the problem locally, but it doesn't repeat locally for me on my 9G IBM drive (though I have to change volume sets 9 times to repeat on a > 4G file system, since I don't use DAT; this should not impact it, since I don't get buffer flushes or other code that should change the outcome). One possible discrepancy is that my IBM 9G drive is fast SCSI II, not EIDE. It may be an IDE driver problem. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 19:44:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19053 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:44:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19021 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:44:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25596; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:44:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd025547; Wed May 6 19:44:32 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20312; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:44:32 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805070244.TAA20312@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:44:31 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, beng@lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 5, 98 11:00:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I think you need to read the man pages. > > In what man page is "hole in map" mentioned? By class? Search for the word "abort" in the restore man page. By explicit reference? In the 4.4BSD System Administrators Guide under the detaild discurrion of dump/restore. > > A hole in a map won't happen unless you have bad media. If you > > traceback the panic in the source code, you'll see that the problem > > is a zero-valued block map. > > Question: why does it segfault several seconds after producing the > "abort?" prompt? Because it is busy dumping core because of the explicit call to "abort" because you did not set "yflag" using the "-y" command line option. > It had already detected the "hole in map" problem? Yes. It won't call panic (a function in utilities.c) if it hasn't panic'ed. The reason it takes so long is that it has a very large data area. One possible reason for this problem *could* ge your limits on the account doing the restore (see login.conf). If you went over your datasize or stacksize, and then didn't check the validity of the operation (which it doesn't; restore predates memory overcommit and it predates login.conf placing arbitrarily small limits on working set), then the symptoms would be similar. > Regardless this is still a bug, even assuming that the media is bad (it > isn't, as I did a full backup and restore to the media with tar). Tar proves nothing. See other post. > > You can ignore your damaged media using the "-y" option to restore: > > Doesn't do anything in this case. A "restore -t -v -y" tells me that > every file (at least those I bother to let it read) had CRC errors. That > isn't right, as I can use the same tape to do a full tar and untar with no > problems. Use --compare. You may not be getting back what you think you are getting. If this works, you still haven't fairly eliminated everything that could be the problem besides the dump/restore. First, tar is very stupid. It doesn't do MD5 hashes or any really strong method of determining identicality. Second, the problem can be in the raw disk driver. No one but dump tends to use the raw disk driver, so you haven't proven a lot. Third, the tar command had different access characteristics, so it could still be a conflict between the EIDE and SCSI controllers. > > -y Do not ask the user whether to abort the restore in > > the event of an error. Always try to skip over the > > bad block(s) and continue. > > > > It is recommended that you, instead, fix the underlying problem. > > What is that? The only thing you've said, is bad tape. But it isn't. > Next. That isn't the only thing. Read my other post. I identified by line item at least 13 things that could give the same symptoms, and a 14th in the text. Only two of these things are "dump" or "restore", Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 19:59:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21818 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:59:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA21795 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:59:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yXGTZ-0007PY-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:32:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:31:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199805070232.TAA19518@usr01.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > What? Was something about my message unclear? restore dies with a > > "hole in map". You can also search the PR database for that phrase to > > find an indentical report to the one I filed. > > You are assuming that the "hole in map" is there because dump put it > there (which is unlikely), or because there was actually a hole in > the map, faithfully copied (which is unlikely, but possible, if you > partition didn't pass fsck prior to dump). Another possibility: restore gets confused and sees a hole that isn't there. The filesystem was just newfs'ed, and had an another tape untar'red on to it. It is clean. ... > Tar does not complain about bad tape blocks, because it can't consistency > check them, having no check fields. It will happily write zeroed blocks > into your files. The files were verfied (they were copies from another system, so this is easy to do). > Restore is more sensitive to the problem, because restore requires > that the referential integrity of the files written to disk be intact. Except that restore complains about "hole in map" before restoring a single file, or writing anything at all. ... > > > Which driver is responsible for that controller? > > > > ahc > > With or without the CAM patches? They are not available. > > > What exact model of tape drive are you using? > > > > Quantum DLT 4000 > > > > > What exact brand of tapes are you using? > > > > Quantum DLT IV > > You are positive you are using the st/mt command to select a block size > for this before starting the dump, right? > > DAT drives are notoriously finicky about default block size selection. DLT not DAT. Even on DAT, I haven't seen a drive that didn't work with the standard variable blocksize setting. Also, my DLT is very quick to inform me of blocksize problems if I don't read the tape back with the right block size too. > > You know what a much better test would be? I can do a dump, read the > > first hundred megs or so with dd into a file, and send it to you. Since > > "restore -t" reports the "hole in map" within seconds, it obviously hasn't > > read very far into the tape yet, so doing a restore from a disk file > > should have the same result. I've tested this. I read back the first 100MB back as "dd if=/dev/rst0 bs=10k count=1000 of=tapefile", then did a "restore -t -f tapefile". > Or better, you could dump to a disk instead of to a tape, then also dump > to a tape, and then do an MD5 checksum of the images and see if they match, > in order to isolate it to "tape or software" vs. "disk or software". > > Also, a partial dump should exhibit the same problems, since "it > obviously hasn't read very far into the tape yet". Which means Yes. I did a dump to a file on another filesystem, and aborted it after about 300MB. Doing a "restore -t -f tapefile2" also results in an immediate "hole in map" and a segfault. ... > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 20:00:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21916 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21843 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:59:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29609; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:59:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd029588; Wed May 6 19:59:50 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21415; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:59:48 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805070259.TAA21415@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:59:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: archie@whistle.com, stefan@promo.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805060541.HAA09666@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at May 6, 98 07:41:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > no. what is available and what is not depends on the hardware. > as someone else (Mike ?) mentioned, if you put your own non-pnp card in > a pc and the bios/os/whatever doesn't know how to use it, the card will > be undetected until a conflict occurs. Most PnP BIOS support entries for non-PnP legacy ISA cards to allow them to be mapped out of the conflict space. For Windows95, which is a PnP OS, the OS does the PnP detection instead of the BIOS. It has the ability to reserve resources (in "dummy" driver records) for legacy cards as well. A "PnP motherboard" (of which I have only ever seen two) will actually disable the slots for undetected hardware on the hardware's behalf. This was an alternate soloution to the "non-PnP OS" problem, before the PnP BIOS CMOS entry mechanisms started appearing. If you are going to expect someone to find your hardware for you, unless it is hardware the stands up and says "I am here" (ie: it's PnP), then you will have to expect to probe on its behalf. This is why ISA must die. > The PnP spec have a way to detect > conflicts but i am not sure it can really work because it depends on > how the non-pnp card uses resources (e.g. it could be listening for > some data before enabling its outputs; since the conflict detection can > only work if the unknown card drives the output lines, in this case the > detection will fail). Ie: LANCE based ethernet controllers is one example I can think of; you have to poke them, then they have to yelp, before you know they are listinging in the wings, waiting to break something. The MACH32 chips listening for outb's in the COM3 I/O address range, even though the features that use those ports are not enabled, is another. > so basically the problem is not solvable automatically. By the time you > igve hints to the os on which resources are free, you could as well > assign resources to the pnp devices which need them. For a predominantly PnP machine, it makes sense to do it in the CMOS config. For a non-PnP BIOS machine, or an older PnP BIOS machine, it makes sense to implement a PnP OS and make one entry, rather than 8 (assumes 8 slots, populated 7:1 with PnP cards). One example here is a generic ATI machine with a bus mouse (NOT a PS/2 mouse) on the motherboard. The ATI machine failed to identify IRQ 12 as being used by the mouse, and the PnP BIOS assigned IRQ 12 to INT A, the PCI interrupt assigned to an Adaptec SCSI controller. > > I mean, if the kernel doesn't know about some interrupt being used, > > then who else is using it and what the heck for? I guess I don't > > completely understand this issue. > > see above. Also see: PC System Architecture Series Plug and Play System Architecture Tom Shanley MindShare, Inc. ISBN: 0-201-41013-3 Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 20:03:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22652 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22641 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04624; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:03:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd004612; Wed May 6 20:03:38 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21789; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:03:37 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805070303.UAA21789@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:03:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 5, 98 10:52:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > A "long" or an "unsigned long" used as a byte offset. It is splitting > hairs. No. Go to /usr/src/sbin/restore/ and /usr/src/sbin/dump/. The command you are looking for is: grep unsigned *.[ch] Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 20:35:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26600 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:35:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26585 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00530; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805062212.PAA00530@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 09:17:25 MDT." <199805061517.JAA05337@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:12:16 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > This actually falls a little short. It's easier to look at it from a > > different angle, too. > > > > For each PnP device/function in the system > .... > > For each explicitly-configured ISA devices > .... > > Things is, this falls really short for non-ISA/non-PnP devices as well. No, it doesn't. But I may not have answered your specific qualms. > Think hot-swappable devices, and devices that *really* no one knows > about? Yes, what about them? How about a concrete problem rather than FUD? > Also, devices that can use IRQ's, but don't necessarily need > them. How do you say 'go ahead and use it', vs. 'don't bother'. Huh? You must specifically be talking about the resource starvation case where the "can but don't have to" device comes up before a "must have" device and takes the last interrupt. Firstly, there aren't too many devices in the "can but don't have to" class, so this is a pathalogical example. Second; you deal with it the same way you always would - you're subject to the behaviour of the driver for the first device and whether it allocates itself an interrupt. If you're concerned about that, fix the driver to export a sysctl variable and tweak it out of kernel.config. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 20:35:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26635 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:35:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26599 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00563; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805062219.PAA00563@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: Amancio Hasty , Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 10:43:29 MDT." <199805061643.KAA16376@fly.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:19:26 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The device driver can tell the upper layer which resources it wants or > > does not need. > > The device driver needs a hint from the user to know whether or not it > wants a resource or not. Sure. Stick a sysctl variable in there. I have commandline sysctl setting working from userconfig, and I'm about half done with the visual version. > For example, some PCIC controllers don't correctly interrupt when cards > are removed/inserted. In this case, we still assign an IRQ to the > controller, although all we're doing is wasting an interrupt. Instead > of assigning an interrupt, we should simply 'poll' the controller for > events, which doesn't work as well *but* still allows the hardware to > work. > > However, the FreeBSD kernel can't determine if the controller is > working, so we need a way for the controller probe to be given 'hints' > as to whether or not to use an IRQ, and if so a good one to try. The > latter is needed because some 'internal' hardware is hidden from the > kernel, so if I use the first free interrupt it *may* not be correct for > this configuration, so I must tell it which interrupt to use if I want > to be safe. The principal issue with using the PnP BIOS is that all of a sudden, the "hidden" hardware is revealed. This makes it impossible to assign a resource that is already allocated. > In other words, the device driver does *NOT* have enough information to > do it's job, hence the current model is incomplete. The current current model, yes. The proposed model, no. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 20:36:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26834 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26819 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:36:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00410; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070230.TAA00410@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , Amancio Hasty , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 18:40:52 MDT." <199805070040.SAA06968@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:30:16 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > The device driver can tell the upper layer which resources it wants or > > > > does not need. > > > > > > The device driver needs a hint from the user to know whether or not it > > > wants a resource or not. > > > > Sure. Stick a sysctl variable in there. > > Too late. The hardware is already probed. You're not paying attention. You will be able to set sysctl variables earlier than the hardware probes. > > The principal issue with using the PnP BIOS > > .... Forget about PnP BIOS. We need a solution that is *NOT* specific to > PnP. The solution proposed is way too specific to PnP cards, and we > need a solution that is slightly bigger than them. The solution is to obtain authoratative resource availibility information. On the ISA platform this can come from PnP, or you can try to pretend that you know it in advance (use a configuration file). I'm sorry if you're not aware that the PnP BIOS is the only authoratative source of resource availibility information. If you care to either read what I've been posting or the standards themselves you would have some understanding of the relationship between the manual BIOS configuration of PnP hardware, non-ISA-PnP configuation in the BIOS domain, and the determination of available assignable resources by an operating system. If you believe that you have a pathological case where this combination is inadequate, please feel free to publish it. I'll compare it with my list, and see if the proposed new techniques make the situation any worse than it currently is. If you can demonstrate that there is a fundamental flaw in the proposed techniques, I'm sure we'd be happy to address the situation. So far all you've offered is unsupported FUD, which isn't helping the situation at all. 8( -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 20:39:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27382 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:39:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27342 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00433; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070234.TAA00433@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 18:39:33 MDT." <199805070039.SAA06961@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:34:41 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Things is, this falls really short for non-ISA/non-PnP devices as well. > > > > No, it doesn't. But I may not have answered your specific qualms. > > > > > Think hot-swappable devices, and devices that *really* no one knows > > > about? > > > > Yes, what about them? How about a concrete problem rather than FUD? > > There's no FUD. You just erased my specific examples. I haven't seen a single example situation from you yet where knowing what is and isn't actually available/used is a disadvantage over the current state of "blessed ignorance". > > > Also, devices that can use IRQ's, but don't necessarily need > > > them. How do you say 'go ahead and use it', vs. 'don't bother'. > > > > Huh? You must specifically be talking about the resource starvation > > case where the "can but don't have to" device comes up before a "must > > have" device and takes the last interrupt. > > No, I'm talking about cases where hardware *can* use IRQ's, but don't > need them. Unless there is a resource starvation issue, who cares? If you have a free IRQ that isn't needed, it doesn't matter if it's assigned to a source that never drives it, or whether it remains free. > > Firstly, there aren't too many devices in the "can but don't have to" > > class, so this is a pathalogical example. > > But it's an example of something we need to have now. (Like, if it were > there, I could use it today.) > > Right not, to get a 'real' interrupt, you must be an ISA device. > Otherwise, you've got to hope for the best. This is simply bogus. I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. What are the interrupts delivered to PCI devices if not "real" interrupts? Are you bitching about the current interrupt registration mechanism, or about free resource determination? > And, sysctl is a *huge* hack that's completely incapable of dealing with > it. You can't tell a device to not use an interrupt via a sysctl, since > by the time the syctl is active it's much too late. sysctl is a poor implementation of a good idea. Despite my good intentions and support from a number of sources, a replacement hasn't materialised. In the interim, it is more than adequate for the task. And you're thinking *much* too narrowly about when sysctls can be set. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 20:40:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27725 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27676 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27126; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:40:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA07786; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:40:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:40:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199805070340.VAA07786@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , Amancio Hasty , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805070230.TAA00410@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805070040.SAA06968@mt.sri.com> <199805070230.TAA00410@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Sure. Stick a sysctl variable in there. > > > > Too late. The hardware is already probed. > > You're not paying attention. You will be able to set sysctl variables > earlier than the hardware probes. Sysctl variables can't be set by the user. > > > The principal issue with using the PnP BIOS > > > > .... Forget about PnP BIOS. We need a solution that is *NOT* specific to > > PnP. The solution proposed is way too specific to PnP cards, and we > > need a solution that is slightly bigger than them. > > The solution is to obtain authoratative resource availibility > information. On the ISA platform this can come from PnP, or you can > try to pretend that you know it in advance (use a configuration file). No it can't, since many of these boxes are not PnP boxes. > I'm sorry if you're not aware that the PnP BIOS is the only > authoratative source of resource availibility information. The PnP BIOS is *NOT* authoratative since it doesn't exist on all the hardware the functionality is needed. > If you can demonstrate that there is a fundamental flaw in the proposed > techniques, I'm sure we'd be happy to address the situation. So far > all you've offered is unsupported FUD, which isn't helping the > situation at all. 8( Now you're being silly. I've explained twice now cases where the current proposal is inadequate, and you've called it FUD. You're choosing to ignore what I have to say and then calling it FUD just because it doesn't work with your proposal, and that stinks. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 20:44:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28491 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28152 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:43:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00458; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070237.TAA00458@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: Nate Williams , Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 11:08:02 +0930." <199805070138.LAA15738@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:37:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Things is, this falls really short for non-ISA/non-PnP devices as well. > > Think hot-swappable devices, and devices that *really* no one knows > > about? Also, devices that can use IRQ's, but don't necessarily need > > them. How do you say 'go ahead and use it', vs. 'don't bother'. > It's also not very useful for devices which use multiple IRQs, and ports etc.. > port0 .. port1 .. would be useful for that.. Please folks; read the relevant PnP documents before you wade into this discussion. I can see a lot of uncertainty and outright confusion from things that have been read out of context. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 20:47:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28951 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28913 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:47:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27159; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:46:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA07828; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:46:50 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:46:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199805070346.VAA07828@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805070234.TAA00433@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805070039.SAA06961@mt.sri.com> <199805070234.TAA00433@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > There's no FUD. You just erased my specific examples. > > I haven't seen a single example situation from you yet where knowing > what is and isn't actually available/used is a disadvantage over the > current state of "blessed ignorance". Huh? You're claiming that PnP is the answer to all my problems, and the fact of the matter is that none of the hardware that has these problems have a PnP bios, so it solves nothing. My 560 doesn't have a PnP BIOS, and neither does Warnar's Libretto, nor do any of the ThinkPad's that I have access to, nor the NEC's, nor do the Hitachis. So, your PnP solution doesn't even begin to solve the problem I'm having. You're spreading misinformation by stating that the PnP BIOS is the panacea to all of the resource problems, when in fact it only solves a minority of the problems that people are seeing, and in fact we can't even talk to the PnP BIOS so it's not even a workable solution yet. > > No, I'm talking about cases where hardware *can* use IRQ's, but don't > > need them. > > Unless there is a resource starvation issue, who cares? Because there *is* resource starvation. There aren't very many free interrupts on a laptop with built-in sounds, and IR port, plus a couple of PCMCIA/CardBus adapters. > > Right not, to get a 'real' interrupt, you must be an ISA device. > > Otherwise, you've got to hope for the best. This is simply bogus. > > I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. What are the > interrupts delivered to PCI devices if not "real" interrupts? Because they are sharable, and because I don't have any control over setting them in FreeBSD. > Are you > bitching about the current interrupt registration mechanism, or about > free resource determination? Both. To allocate resources at compile time, the device must be an ISA device. (Resources include things like flags, interrupts, etc...) > > And, sysctl is a *huge* hack that's completely incapable of dealing with > > it. You can't tell a device to not use an interrupt via a sysctl, since > > by the time the syctl is active it's much too late. > > sysctl is a poor implementation of a good idea. Despite my good > intentions and support from a number of sources, a replacement hasn't > materialised. In the interim, it is more than adequate for the task. It's a poor solution that should *NOT* be extended. > And you're thinking *much* too narrowly about when sysctls can be set. No, it's a poor solution, and should NOT be used anymore than it already is. It's worse than IOCTL's, and it's becoming the garbage dump for everything that we don't have easy solutions for, thus making the system that much harder to understand and configure. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 20:48:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29201 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29103 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:48:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27164; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:47:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA07836; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:47:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:47:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199805070347.VAA07836@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , Nate Williams , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805070237.TAA00458@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805070138.LAA15738@cain.gsoft.com.au> <199805070237.TAA00458@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Things is, this falls really short for non-ISA/non-PnP devices as well. > > > Think hot-swappable devices, and devices that *really* no one knows > > > about? Also, devices that can use IRQ's, but don't necessarily need > > > them. How do you say 'go ahead and use it', vs. 'don't bother'. > > It's also not very useful for devices which use multiple IRQs, and ports etc.. > > port0 .. port1 .. would be useful for that.. > > Please folks; read the relevant PnP documents Pleas Mike, read what was said. for non-ISA/non-PnP devices, reading the PnP docs is a waste of time. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 20:56:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00810 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00748 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00511; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070251.TAA00511@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , Amancio Hasty , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 21:40:06 MDT." <199805070340.VAA07786@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:51:03 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Sure. Stick a sysctl variable in there. > > > > > > Too late. The hardware is already probed. > > > > You're not paying attention. You will be able to set sysctl variables > > earlier than the hardware probes. > > Sysctl variables can't be set by the user. Sorry? How are they set, then? > > > > The principal issue with using the PnP BIOS > > > > > > .... Forget about PnP BIOS. We need a solution that is *NOT* specific to > > > PnP. The solution proposed is way too specific to PnP cards, and we > > > need a solution that is slightly bigger than them. > > > > The solution is to obtain authoratative resource availibility > > information. On the ISA platform this can come from PnP, or you can > > try to pretend that you know it in advance (use a configuration file). > > No it can't, since many of these boxes are not PnP boxes. I'm sorry, I have just said "the information can either come from PnP or a configuration file". How does the system being non-PnP prevent me from using information from a configuration file? > > I'm sorry if you're not aware that the PnP BIOS is the only > > authoratative source of resource availibility information. > > The PnP BIOS is *NOT* authoratative since it doesn't exist on all the > hardware the functionality is needed. I'm sorry, but on a system where a PnP BIOS exists, it is authoratative (or broken, or misconfigured). It is most needed in systems which contain embedded peripherals; motherboards with onboard I/O and laptops. The vast majority of these systems do support PnP. Of those that don't, the vast majority again contain a relatively limited subset of onboard peripherals that can be successfully managed using a configuration file. Where the PnP BIOS is able to supply resource information, it should be used. I can't understand why you wouldn't want to do this. > > If you can demonstrate that there is a fundamental flaw in the proposed > > techniques, I'm sure we'd be happy to address the situation. So far > > all you've offered is unsupported FUD, which isn't helping the > > situation at all. 8( > > Now you're being silly. I've explained twice now cases where the > current proposal is inadequate, and you've called it FUD. You're > choosing to ignore what I have to say and then calling it FUD just > because it doesn't work with your proposal, and that stinks. Not at all. You haven't at any point done anything other than say "there are systems without PnP BIOS support". Right now, the way we handle things we pretend that *no* systems have PnP BIOS support. That sucks. We can improve the current situation by taking advantage of the fact that most systems *do* have PnP BIOS support. If you can demonstrate that this act will make the situation *worse*, I'm all ears. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 21:02:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01712 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:02:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01694 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA27263; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:01:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA07914; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:01:32 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:01:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199805070401.WAA07914@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , Amancio Hasty , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805070251.TAA00511@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805070340.VAA07786@mt.sri.com> <199805070251.TAA00511@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Sysctl variables can't be set by the user. > > Sorry? How are they set, then? Before the system has ever been booted, they can set them? How? > > No it can't, since many of these boxes are not PnP boxes. > > I'm sorry, I have just said "the information can either come from PnP > or a configuration file". And where does this file come from? This is a boot floppy, or something similar to it? > > The PnP BIOS is *NOT* authoratative since it doesn't exist on all the > > hardware the functionality is needed. > > I'm sorry, but on a system where a PnP BIOS exists... You're not getting it. The PnP BIOS is *NOT* authoritative since it doesn't exist. It can't be since it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. IT DOESN'T EXIST. No PnP BIOS. Not there, not gonna be there, never was there, no plans on it ever being there. > It is most needed It's not there. It's not going to be there, we can't make manufacturers put it there, we can't rely on it being there, so for all intents and purposes it's *NOT THERE*. > Where the PnP BIOS is able to supply resource information, it should be > used. I can't understand why you wouldn't want to do this. I never said we couldn't use it *WHEN IT'S THERE*, but if you go back and read the very first statement I made (which I'll repeat here), I'll explain the problem. I said: > Things is, this [ the proposed solution ] falls really short for > non-ISA/non-PnP devices Again, no PnP BIOS. Not gonna be there. > Not at all. You haven't at any point done anything other than say > "there are systems without PnP BIOS support". Yep, and the proposed solution where resources cannot be adequately assigned correctly doesn't even begin to address that problem. As long as we're solving a problem, solve if for *everyone* who has a problem, not a small subset of the systems. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 21:17:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04243 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from yard-sale.village.org (ys2.village.org [204.144.255.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA04228 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:17:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6] by yard-sale.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yXI7o-0002vX-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:17:40 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA16521; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805070417.WAA16521@harmony.village.org> To: "Daniel O'Connor" Subject: Re: Unknown PCI ID's Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 18:00:16 +0930." <199805060830.SAA10759@cain.gsoft.com.au> References: <199805060830.SAA10759@cain.gsoft.com.au> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:17:29 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199805060830.SAA10759@cain.gsoft.com.au> "Daniel O'Connor" writes: : We have just got a SuperMicro 440LX base PII (P6SLS), and when it boots up, : there are 2 unknown devices - : pciconf -l shows them as : pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71808086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 : pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71818086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 : : Any ideas what they are? At a guess is that they are the 82440LX PCI and memory controller and the 82xxx PCI to ISA bridge. Intel's vendor number is 0x8086. However, my PCI to ISA bridge is at pci:0:7:0 in my SuperMicro Pentium Pro 440FX based motherboard. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 21:19:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04577 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04270 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:18:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00577; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070313.UAA00577@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 21:46:50 MDT." <199805070346.VAA07828@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:13:22 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > There's no FUD. You just erased my specific examples. > > > > I haven't seen a single example situation from you yet where knowing > > what is and isn't actually available/used is a disadvantage over the > > current state of "blessed ignorance". > > Huh? You're claiming that PnP is the answer to all my problems, and the > fact of the matter is that none of the hardware that has these problems > have a PnP bios, so it solves nothing. > > My 560 doesn't have a PnP BIOS, and neither does Warnar's Libretto, nor > do any of the ThinkPad's that I have access to, nor the NEC's, nor do > the Hitachis. Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Do you actually know that the systems in question don't have PnP BIOS functionality? What tests are you using? Have you tried the ESCD BIOS calls? > So, your PnP solution doesn't even begin to solve the problem I'm > having. Ok. But it solves a lot of other peoples' problems. The fact that it might not be the magic bullet _you're_ after doesn't alter the fact that it's a huge improvement over the current situation. > You're spreading misinformation by stating that the PnP BIOS is the > panacea to all of the resource problems, when in fact it only solves a > minority of the problems that people are seeing, and in fact we can't > even talk to the PnP BIOS so it's not even a workable solution yet. It's nice to see that a few obscure laptop systems are a "majority" and the relatively larger set of desktop systems are a "minorty". Just as a counterexample, using the PnP BIOS would have illuminated a number of resource problems on Sharp and larger Toshiba laptops. Not to mention the interesting problem where anyone with an onboard LM78 on a new motherboard seems to have an ISA LANCE at 0x280. We can, actually, talk to the PnP BIOS. There are a few technical issues outstanding, and obviously plenty of work to do. I'm not presenting a fait accompli, merely suggesting that these facilities exist for a damnned good reason, and ignoring them is stupid. > > > No, I'm talking about cases where hardware *can* use IRQ's, but don't > > > need them. > > > > Unless there is a resource starvation issue, who cares? > > Because there *is* resource starvation. There aren't very many free > interrupts on a laptop with built-in sounds, and IR port, plus a couple > of PCMCIA/CardBus adapters. Er, Nate. I just said "it doesn't matter unless there is resource starvation". Then you said "even if there isn't resource starvation, it matters". Now you say it only matters because there is resource starvation. We both know who argues like this. Please don't make my job harder by obfuscating the issues. Yes, resource starvation is a problem. Yes, we need to be able to do something about it. No, obtaining more accurate resource availbility information from the BIOS is not going to suddenly result in even more resources being stolen away from your rare but no doubt serious problems. The answer lies in providing extra information to the driver(s) in question so that they can take advantage of this information to avoid wasting resources. If this information isn't available from any other source, we have to provide a new source. I have proposed using an already existing and known functional information management infrastructure to provide this extra information. I don't see you even acknowledging this, let alone considering how it might be used to your advantage. > > > Right not, to get a 'real' interrupt, you must be an ISA device. > > > Otherwise, you've got to hope for the best. This is simply bogus. > > > > I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. What are the > > interrupts delivered to PCI devices if not "real" interrupts? > > Because they are sharable, and because I don't have any control over > setting them in FreeBSD. Why is a shared interrupt not a "real" interrupt. Any why would you care about "setting" PCI interrupts? You're not _allowed_ to "set" PCI interrupts. This is the job of the BIOS. > > Are you > > bitching about the current interrupt registration mechanism, or about > > free resource determination? > > Both. To allocate resources at compile time, the device must be an ISA > device. (Resources include things like flags, interrupts, etc...) So statically allocated resources are bad, right? Am I arguing for or against statically allocated resources? > > > And, sysctl is a *huge* hack that's completely incapable of dealing with > > > it. You can't tell a device to not use an interrupt via a sysctl, since > > > by the time the syctl is active it's much too late. > > > > sysctl is a poor implementation of a good idea. Despite my good > > intentions and support from a number of sources, a replacement hasn't > > materialised. In the interim, it is more than adequate for the task. > > It's a poor solution that should *NOT* be extended. I'm not sure what you are calling a "poor solution". A unified parametric namespace is a good idea. The sysctl implementation is flawed and inadequate in many ways. However, it *works*, and for what you are specifically griping about, it's more than adequate. > > And you're thinking *much* too narrowly about when sysctls can be set. > > No, it's a poor solution, and should NOT be used anymore than it already > is. It's worse than IOCTL's, and it's becoming the garbage dump for > everything that we don't have easy solutions for, thus making the system > that much harder to understand and configure. Bad sysctl. Bad, bad sysctl. Naughty sysctl. Now tell me how else I can do it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 21:22:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05136 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:22:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from yard-sale.village.org (ys2.village.org [204.144.255.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA05087 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:21:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6] by yard-sale.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yXIBo-0002ve-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:21:48 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA16545; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805070421.WAA16545@harmony.village.org> To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 09:17:25 MDT." <199805061517.JAA05337@mt.sri.com> References: <199805061517.JAA05337@mt.sri.com> <199805060028.RAA18956@bubba.whistle.com> <199805060626.XAA01524@antipodes.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:21:37 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199805061517.JAA05337@mt.sri.com> Nate Williams writes: : Things is, this falls really short for non-ISA/non-PnP devices as well. : Think hot-swappable devices, and devices that *really* no one knows : about? Also, devices that can use IRQ's, but don't necessarily need : them. How do you say 'go ahead and use it', vs. 'don't bother'. One of the hardest things to do right now with the pccard code in FreeBSD -current is to figure out what interrupts you have available. dmesg doesn't quite tell you since there are oddball thinks like unsupported sound chips and the like that just don't show up there. There should be some way to do this generically. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 21:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05362 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:22:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05267 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA27388; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:22:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA07997; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:22:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:22:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199805070422.WAA07997@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805070313.UAA00577@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805070346.VAA07828@mt.sri.com> <199805070313.UAA00577@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Huh? You're claiming that PnP is the answer to all my problems, and the > > fact of the matter is that none of the hardware that has these problems > > have a PnP bios, so it solves nothing. > > > > My 560 doesn't have a PnP BIOS, and neither does Warnar's Libretto, nor > > do any of the ThinkPad's that I have access to, nor the NEC's, nor do > > the Hitachis. > > Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Do you actually know that the systems > in question don't have PnP BIOS functionality? I know that some of them pre-date the PnP specification. > > So, your PnP solution doesn't even begin to solve the problem I'm > > having. > > Ok. But it solves a lot of other peoples' problems. The fact that it > might not be the magic bullet _you're_ after doesn't alter the fact > that it's a huge improvement over the current situation. But, the solution should be generic enough to solve the existing problems, so we don't have to break compatability *again* when a solution is found to fix other problems. > > You're spreading misinformation by stating that the PnP BIOS is the > > panacea to all of the resource problems, when in fact it only solves a > > minority of the problems that people are seeing, and in fact we can't > > even talk to the PnP BIOS so it's not even a workable solution yet. > > It's nice to see that a few obscure laptop systems are a "majority" As you are well aware, laptop support is more than 'obscure', and is IMHO one of the largest growing market segments of all hardware sold. Unfortunately, FreeBSD's support of them *sucks*. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 21:42:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10011 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:42:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09899 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00711; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070336.UAA00711@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 22:22:02 MDT." <199805070422.WAA07997@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:36:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Huh? You're claiming that PnP is the answer to all my problems, and the > > > fact of the matter is that none of the hardware that has these problems > > > have a PnP bios, so it solves nothing. > > > > > > My 560 doesn't have a PnP BIOS, and neither does Warnar's Libretto, nor > > > do any of the ThinkPad's that I have access to, nor the NEC's, nor do > > > the Hitachis. > > > > Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Do you actually know that the systems > > in question don't have PnP BIOS functionality? > > I know that some of them pre-date the PnP specification. Ok. But do all of them? You're dodging the questions here again - I added a whole pile more that you've left unanswered which might have given a better picture of what was going on. They're serious questions; answers would really help. For those that don't have PnP, as I've tried to take considerable pains to point out, you're no worse off than before. You can't help those systems anyway. > > > So, your PnP solution doesn't even begin to solve the problem I'm > > > having. > > > > Ok. But it solves a lot of other peoples' problems. The fact that it > > might not be the magic bullet _you're_ after doesn't alter the fact > > that it's a huge improvement over the current situation. > > But, the solution should be generic enough to solve the existing > problems, so we don't have to break compatability *again* when a > solution is found to fix other problems. You have a better solution? Or are you just objecting to the whole think on religious grounds, in that if the proposed solution isn't perfect then it's not worth accepting in the first place? > > > You're spreading misinformation by stating that the PnP BIOS is the > > > panacea to all of the resource problems, when in fact it only solves a > > > minority of the problems that people are seeing, and in fact we can't > > > even talk to the PnP BIOS so it's not even a workable solution yet. > > > > It's nice to see that a few obscure laptop systems are a "majority" > > As you are well aware, laptop support is more than 'obscure', and is > IMHO one of the largest growing market segments of all hardware sold. > Unfortunately, FreeBSD's support of them *sucks*. And using the facilities that this rapidly growing set of systems provide in order to better support their hardware is somehow making FreeBSD's support of these systems worse? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 22:03:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13874 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:03:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13850 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27446; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 21:46:50 MDT." <199805070346.VAA07828@mt.sri.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:02:10 -0700 Message-ID: <27442.894517330@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > No, it's a poor solution, and should NOT be used anymore than it already > is. It's worse than IOCTL's, and it's becoming the garbage dump for > everything that we don't have easy solutions for, thus making the system > that much harder to understand and configure. Hmmmm. Rather than tell us about what's wrong with sysctl, such criticism being hardly new or even particularly valuable, why not tell us what you'd rather see implemented and how you might, given the time, go about doing it? "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 00:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01740 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01731 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA07676; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.Alameda.net(207.90.181.2) via SMTP by DNS.Lamb.net, id smtpd007674; Thu May 7 00:36:45 1998 Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.6/8.7.6) id AAA26977; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199805070736.AAA26977@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Subject: Re: Unknown PCI ID's In-Reply-To: <199805070417.WAA16521@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "May 6, 98 10:17:29 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 00:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: doconnor@gsoft.com.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <199805060830.SAA10759@cain.gsoft.com.au> "Daniel O'Connor" writes: > : We have just got a SuperMicro 440LX base PII (P6SLS), and when it boots up, > : there are 2 unknown devices - > : pciconf -l shows them as > : pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71808086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 > : pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71818086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 > : > : Any ideas what they are? I have the same chips and I do have an Intel LX board (DK440LX). > > At a guess is that they are the 82440LX PCI and memory controller and > the 82xxx PCI to ISA bridge. Intel's vendor number is 0x8086. > However, my PCI to ISA bridge is at pci:0:7:0 in my SuperMicro Pentium > Pro 440FX based motherboard. > > Warner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 00:49:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03036 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:49:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA03023 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:49:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yXL19-0007cJ-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:22:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 00:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: beng@lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199805070244.TAA20312@usr01.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Question: why does it segfault several seconds after producing the > > "abort?" prompt? > > Because it is busy dumping core because of the explicit call to "abort" > because you did not set "yflag" using the "-y" command line option. > > > It had already detected the "hole in map" problem? > > Yes. It won't call panic (a function in utilities.c) if it hasn't > panic'ed. That is bizare. So it prints a "y/n" prompt and calls the panic function anyhow? > The reason it takes so long is that it has a very large data area. Nope. It takes so long since dump is still reading data from the tape at this point. When using "restore -t" on a disk file, it segfaults immediately after printing the prompt. I don't know why restore would have a large data area, because it hasn't done anything at this point. In fact restore dies within 0.20 seconds when accessing a disk file. > One possible reason for this problem *could* ge your limits on the > account doing the restore (see login.conf). I run restore as root. > > Regardless this is still a bug, even assuming that the media is bad (it > > isn't, as I did a full backup and restore to the media with tar). > > Tar proves nothing. See other post. Media is good. Dump to disk file does same thing. I've proved that the tape media and tape drive are not a factor. > That isn't the only thing. Read my other post. I identified by line > item at least 13 things that could give the same symptoms, and a > 14th in the text. Only two of these things are "dump" or "restore", Except that most of those items you listed are the same thing. I've eliminated the tape drive, the tape media, the tape SCSI controller, the cable etc., leaving only three things: - raw access to a partition on EIDE - EIDE controller - dump/restore #2 is doubtful, as it would corrupting data all the time, and fsck never reports a problem, unless the controller has an interesting fail-when-accessed-by-dump bug. Plus it would be like be corrupting files on the filesystem. That isn't happening, as BRU is used to write the bulk of the data onto this filesystem, and it does a verify of its data (mainly because BRU is designed to write to unreliable tape). In fact, I'm crossing #2 off completely. > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 02:37:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15048 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15043; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA18117; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd018096; Thu May 7 09:27:08 1998 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Mariusz Potocki cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Steve Shoecraft Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have the binaries but I'm not in a position to give them out as they are on an NC server we are evaluating. however I can say that they DO work.. My best suggestion is for people to NAG ORACLE and NC! you need to get pressure at the sales office. On Thu, 7 May 1998, Mariusz Potocki wrote: > > On 07-May-98 Julian Elischer wrote: > > Steve Shoecraft wrote: > >> > >>It'd be no problem for me to FTP the tar file and give it try... I > >> PROMISE I'll delete it when I'm done... > >> > > That wouldn't be quite what nc had in mind by 'demo' :-) > > I lost some mail from this thread, so sorry if I'm off topic. > It would be great if someone let access to some Oracle binaries. > I know it's semi legal, but for some experiments, for choosen guys... > > Mariusz > > "verba volant, > scripta manent" > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 02:55:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18013 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18008 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10529; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:52:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:52:37 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: Terry Lambert cc: Tom , beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) In-Reply-To: <199805070232.TAA19518@usr01.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm not being a hardass here. Software doesn't mutate, so the problem > should be capable of being isolated. I'm just doing fault isolation via > email, and it's not very efficient. You can say that again ;-) - I've changed the subject line (again) any chance this one will stick more? - I've got a terrible cold at the moment and I'm finding it hard enough to follow all this as-is... ;-) > One possible discrepancy is that my IBM 9G drive is fast SCSI II, not > EIDE. It may be an IDE driver problem. Hoping this helps rule out something... I have 11.5Gb's of EIDE 'storage' (2 x 4.5Gb EIDE's, and 1 x 2.5Gb EIDE) all running off a 440FX chipset controller, and I can back them up and restore them with no problems at all. I'm running the driver in DMA mode - but I've also had it running in standard PIO mode as well (i.e. flags 0x0). I have the same SCSI controller as Tom, i.e. a 2940UW. The only other thing I can think of is that DLT is a damned site faster than DAT - my DAT drive manages about 600k/sec to/from tape, I beleive a DLT is going to run at anything from 1-4Mb/sec, which is going to 'stress' the SCSI / IDE side an awful lot more (and working under the principal one of the best ways to break a system is to 'stress' it) maybe were seeing something like that here? Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 02:57:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18193 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from indiana.edu (roatan.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.10.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18188 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jasomill@indiana.edu) Received: from indiana.edu (co-24-1.collins.indiana.edu [149.159.24.1]) by indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/1.16IUPO) with ESMTP id EAA01952 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:56:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3551857C.A481A769@indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 04:57:16 -0500 From: "Jason T. Miller" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Brooktree digitizer on Compaq Presario 4814 References: <199805051731.KAA28657@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anybody gotten the Bt848 driver working with the piss-poor cutesy-titled "Creativity Imaging Center" Bt848 / S3 Live Video digitizer h/w built into some Compaq Presarios (eg my 4814). -jasomill@indiana.edu "He looked so immaculately frightful As he bummed a cigarette Then he went off sniffing drainpipes And reciting the alphabet" -bob dylan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 03:38:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA23308 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:38:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA23291; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:38:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA14541; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:07:48 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980507200748.J12200@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:07:48 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Julian Elischer , Mariusz Potocki Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Steve Shoecraft Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Julian Elischer on Thu, May 07, 1998 at 02:27:01AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 May 1998 at 2:27:01 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > On Thu, 7 May 1998, Mariusz Potocki wrote: > >> >> On 07-May-98 Julian Elischer wrote: >>> Steve Shoecraft wrote: >>>> >>>> It'd be no problem for me to FTP the tar file and give it try... I >>>> PROMISE I'll delete it when I'm done... >>>> >>> That wouldn't be quite what nc had in mind by 'demo' :-) >> >> I lost some mail from this thread, so sorry if I'm off topic. >> It would be great if someone let access to some Oracle binaries. >> I know it's semi legal, but for some experiments, for choosen guys... > > I have the binaries but I'm not in a position to give them out as they are > on an NC server we are evaluating. however I can say that they DO work.. > > My best suggestion is for people to NAG ORACLE and NC! > you need to get pressure at the sales office. Julian's right. It seems that nagging convinced O'Reilly to publish a FreeBSD book, despite years of attempts on my part (and proof that the book was selling well). Oracle seems a good next target. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 05:02:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03907 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 05:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA03901 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 05:02:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0yXPNn-002Zk8C; Thu, 7 May 98 14:02 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:27:56 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:24:09 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-Jul-4) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805070251.TAA00511@antipodes.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "May 6, 98 07:51:03 pm" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:24:09 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > [...] by taking advantage of the > fact that most systems *do* have PnP BIOS support. This assumption is wrong. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe "Those who can, do. Those who can't, talk. And those who can't talk, talk about talking." (B. Shaw) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 07:44:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23524 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:44:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.linkdesign.com (relay.linkdesign.com [194.42.128.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23502 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Michael.Bielicki@linkdesign.com) Received: from cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (host3.bln.de [194.162.193.243]) by relay.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05550 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:42:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from technik1.vds.linkdesign.com (technik1.vds.linkdesign.com [192.168.0.15]) by cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18580 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:44:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Michael.Bielicki@Linkdesign.com) Message-Id: <28417.894552179.4132560.19392@> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:42:59 +0200 From: Michael Bielicki Subject: STABLE from today failed to compile kernel To: Reply-To: Michael Bielicki X-Importance: normal X-Sensitivity: normal X-Priority: normal X-Mailer: TeamWARE Embla 98, , Build: 153 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <6634.894552179.4132692.12617@> Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I get the following error: root@gate(30)# make cc -c -O -m486 -pipe -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DMD5 -DCLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION -DIPDIVERT -DFAILSAFE -DCOMPAT_43 -DMSDOSFS -DMFS -DNFS_NOSERVER -DFFS -DINET -DKERNEL ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c: In function `mfs_mount': ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c:395: structure has no member named `tqh_first' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c:395: structure has no member named `tqh_last' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c:395: structure has no member named `tqh_first' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c: In function `mfs_start': ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c:470: structure has no member named `tqh_first' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c:471: structure has no member named `tqh_last' *** Error code 1 Stop. Michael Bielicki Buisnetco Telecom. Ltd. Link Design International Ltd. 13 Iras Str., Office 23 65, Cliff Rd, Tramore Nicosia 1061, Cyprus http://www.linkdesign.com Co. Waterford, Ireland Voice: +357-2-813 274 Voice: +353-51-386921 Fax: +357-2-813 275 We use FreeBSD Fax: +353-51-390880 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 07:56:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25829 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25786 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:55:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01150; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA09315; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:55:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:55:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199805071455.IAA09315@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Nate Williams , Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <27442.894517330@time.cdrom.com> References: <199805070346.VAA07828@mt.sri.com> <27442.894517330@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > No, it's a poor solution, and should NOT be used anymore than it already > > is. It's worse than IOCTL's, and it's becoming the garbage dump for > > everything that we don't have easy solutions for, thus making the system > > that much harder to understand and configure. > > Hmmmm. Rather than tell us about what's wrong with sysctl, such > criticism being hardly new or even particularly valuable, why not tell > us what you'd rather see implemented and how you might, given the > time, go about doing it? Something that is not PnP specific, but allows a person to allocate resources to non-ISA devices. Current situation: controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr What I'd like to be able to do: controller card0 at generic flags 0x1 irq ? The 'at generic' stuff is open to discussion, but I need a way of saying 'I *WANT* that IRQ, and you can't have it!" Also, I'd like to see: controller irqsink0 at generic irq 11 controller irqsink1 at generic irq 13 For hardware that doesn't have any driver in FreeBSD so I can say "*DON'T* use this IRQ, it's in use." I want the user to have control of what's going on at compile time, and I'd like the ability for the user to be able to re-configure it at userconfig time as well. The problem with sysctl is that it's trying to be all things to all men, and like M$ Registrty, it becomes too complex and unweildy since *all* configuration is dumped into it's bowels, so keeping the namespace sane is almost impossible. And, assuming you've done a good job of keeping the namespace separated out, you have to understand *how* it's separated in order to use it, which means that your average user won't know which know to tweak until after he's read the poorly documented 14 page book that explains each of the sysctl knobs. Excpecting the users to know/understand each and every tweakable know is ludicrous. By making the knob/hooks settable in the config file (something they already know how to deal with, or will know how to deal with) means it's *really* obvious which device they are messing with, so the learning curve is much less. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 07:58:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26309 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.carroll.com (zeus.carroll.com [199.224.10.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26295 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:58:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@carroll.com) Received: from apollo.carroll.com [199.224.10.3] by zeus.carroll.com with ESMTP (8.8.5/0) id KAA20193; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:57:56 -0400 Received: by apollo.carroll.com (8.8.5) is KAA10927; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:57:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:57:54 -0400 From: Jim Carroll To: Warner Losh cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805070421.WAA16545@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > One of the hardest things to do right now with the pccard code in > FreeBSD -current is to figure out what interrupts you have available. Amen to that. I had an idea for quick little utility to help solve this. If you could walk the hardware interrupt vector list, you could display which interrupts had valid drivers waiting to handle them. This would at least display which interrupts were in use. You could then decide where to put the pccard driver (or any other card that needs a free IRQ). The only trouble with my idea is I'm not sure how to get access to the hardware vector list. If someone feels disposed to pointing me in the right direction, I would be happy to cut the code, and share the work. --- Jim C., President | C A R R O L L - N E T, Inc. 201-488-1332 | New Jersey's Premier Internet Service Provider www.carroll.com | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 07:59:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26387 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:59:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bugs.us.dell.com (bugs.us.dell.com [143.166.169.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA26373 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:58:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@dell.com) Received: from ant (ant.us.dell.com [143.166.12.34]) by bugs.us.dell.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA08566 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:58:23 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980507095816.00689420@bugs.us.dell.com> X-Sender: tony@bugs.us.dell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 09:58:16 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tony Overfield Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: References: <199805070251.TAA00511@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > [...] by taking advantage of the > fact that most systems *do* have PnP BIOS support. Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: >This assumption is wrong. I'd be very surprised if any new system built in the last three years didn't include PnP BIOS support. IMHO, anything older than that is approaching obsolescence anyway. Can anybody tell me who still builds systems without PnP BIOS support? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 08:00:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26916 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shivam.eecs.umich.edu (shivam.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.10.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26880; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ymc@eecs.umich.edu) Received: from localhost (ymc@localhost) by shivam.eecs.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA14928; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:00:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Yee Man Chan Reply-To: Yee Man Chan To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: problem to install GNU binutils-2.9.1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tried to install GNU binutils-2.9.1 in my FreeBSD 3.0-971225-SNAP. I follow the instructions to install it but the compiler gives me this error: Making install in doc : /bin/sh ../../../gsrc/gas/../mkinstalldirs /a/crib/usr/home/ymc/gnu/man/man1 /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ../../../gsrc/gas/doc/as.1 /a/crib/usr/home/ymc/gnu/man/man1/as.1 /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -g -o as-new app.o as.o atof-generic.o bignum-copy.o cond.o depend.o ecoff.o ehopt.o expr.o flonum-copy.o flonum-konst.o flonum-mult.o frags.o hash.o input-file.o input-scrub.o listing.o literal.o macro.o messages.o output-file.o read.o sb.o stabs.o subsegs.o symbols.o write.o tc-i386.o obj-aout.o atof-ieee.o ../libiberty/libiberty.a gcc -g -o as-new app.o as.o atof-generic.o bignum-copy.o cond.o depend.o ecoff.o ehopt.o expr.o flonum-copy.o flonum-konst.o flonum-mult.o frags.o hash.o input-file.o input-scrub.o listing.o literal.o macro.o messages.o output-file.o read.o sb.o stabs.o subsegs.o symbols.o write.o tc-i386.o obj-aout.o atof-ieee.o ../libiberty/libiberty.a /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -g -o gasp-new gasp.o macro.o sb.o hash.o ../libiberty/libiberty.a gcc -g -o gasp-new gasp.o macro.o sb.o hash.o ../libiberty/libiberty.a ../../gsrc/libiberty/xmalloc.c:92: Undefined symbol `_xexit' referenced from text segment ../../gsrc/libiberty/xmalloc.c:130: Undefined symbol `_xexit' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. How I install it: ./configure --prefix=/my/directory make make install (I get the error when I run make install) This procedure works seamlessly in my SunOS 5.5.1. What's wrong with the FreeBSD? Any clue? Thanks. Yee Man Chan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 08:10:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29154 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29143 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:10:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01284; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:10:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09454; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:10:44 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:10:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199805071510.JAA09454@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jim Carroll Cc: Warner Losh , Nate Williams , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: References: <199805070421.WAA16545@harmony.village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > One of the hardest things to do right now with the pccard code in > > FreeBSD -current is to figure out what interrupts you have available. > > Amen to that. > > I had an idea for quick little utility to help solve this. If you could > walk the hardware interrupt vector list, you could display which interrupts > had valid drivers waiting to handle them. This would at least display which > interrupts were in use. You could then decide where to put the pccard > driver (or any other card that needs a free IRQ). The code does that now to a point, except that unfortunately an interrupt may be 'free' as far as the FreeBSD kernel is concerned (no drivers allocated), but there may be a piece of (unconfigured/unknown) hardware that is holding onto an interrupt so it's not really free. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 08:46:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03909 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friko.onet.pl (friko.onet.pl [194.204.188.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03886; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from potok@friko.onet.pl) Received: from ovita.free.box (ppp-cen245.opole.tpnet.pl [194.204.146.245]) by friko.onet.pl (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA02834; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:42:39 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <35511868.2781E494@whistle.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 10:42:50 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: potok@friko.onet.pl Organization: Ovita Nutricia Poland From: Mariusz Potocki To: Julian Elischer Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Steve Shoecraft Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-May-98 Julian Elischer wrote: > Steve Shoecraft wrote: >> >>It'd be no problem for me to FTP the tar file and give it try... I >> PROMISE I'll delete it when I'm done... >> > That wouldn't be quite what nc had in mind by 'demo' :-) I lost some mail from this thread, so sorry if I'm off topic. It would be great if someone let access to some Oracle binaries. I know it's semi legal, but for some experiments, for choosen guys... Mariusz "verba volant, scripta manent" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 09:12:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08815 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:12:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08701 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:11:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00420 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:11:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: -stable kernel not building, any suggestions? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tried deleting my /sys tree and re-cvsupping it, but that made no difference. Help! Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 01:34:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: -stable kernel not building, any suggestions? ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c: In function `mfs_mount': ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c:395: structure has no member named `tqh_first' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c:395: structure has no member named `tqh_last' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c:395: structure has no member named `tqh_first' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c: In function `mfs_start': ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c:470: structure has no member named `tqh_first' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vfsops.c:471: structure has no member named `tqh_last' What could I be doing wrong? Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 09:22:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11286 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11225; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:22:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00452; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805071620.JAA00452@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Julian Elischer cc: Mariusz Potocki , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Steve Shoecraft Subject: New Advocacy Mission: (Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 02:27:01 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 09:20:53 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brief: I am sick and tire of listening to ISPs stating that they would love to have a supported version of Oracle's database. Target : Oracle and NCI Objective: Secure option to purchase Oracle 7 from either NCI or Oracle What we need is contacts, fax numbers, e-mail address so we can ask for Oracle 7. End - Of - Transmission To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 09:35:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13938 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13919; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 8486 on Thu, 7 May 1998 16:29:04 GMT; id QAA08486 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24315; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:28:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199805071628.SAA24315@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Greg Lehey cc: Julian Elischer , Mariusz Potocki , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Steve Shoecraft Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: grog's message of Thu, 07 May 1998 20:07:48 +0930. <19980507200748.J12200@freebie.lemis.com> Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 18:28:18 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, 7 May 1998 at 2:27:01 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > > On Thu, 7 May 1998, Mariusz Potocki wrote: > > > >> > >> On 07-May-98 Julian Elischer wrote: > >>> Steve Shoecraft wrote: > >>>> > >>>> It'd be no problem for me to FTP the tar file and give it try... I > >>>> PROMISE I'll delete it when I'm done... > >>>> > >>> That wouldn't be quite what nc had in mind by 'demo' :-) > >> > >> I lost some mail from this thread, so sorry if I'm off topic. > >> It would be great if someone let access to some Oracle binaries. > >> I know it's semi legal, but for some experiments, for choosen guys... > > > > I have the binaries but I'm not in a position to give them out as they are > > on an NC server we are evaluating. however I can say that they DO work.. > > > > My best suggestion is for people to NAG ORACLE and NC! > > you need to get pressure at the sales office. > > Julian's right. It seems that nagging convinced O'Reilly to publish a > FreeBSD book, despite years of attempts on my part (and proof that the > book was selling well). Oracle seems a good next target. > Does anyone have an Email address I can send my message to? ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 10:02:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19185 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:02:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19177 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:02:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07146; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 08:55:45 MDT." <199805071455.IAA09315@mt.sri.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 10:02:22 -0700 Message-ID: <7142.894560542@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Hmmmm. Rather than tell us about what's wrong with sysctl, such > > criticism being hardly new or even particularly valuable, why not tell > > us what you'd rather see implemented and how you might, given the > > time, go about doing it? > > Something that is not PnP specific, but allows a person to allocate > resources to non-ISA devices. Erm... Are we talking about sysctl here or have we wandered back into the PnP thread by mistake? :-) To be sure, a more powerful mechanism could take over the task (to some extent) of associating configuration data with ISA drivers, but I think that any "new sysctl design" would be better described using simpler examples, e.g. how one would declare tweakable knobs from within the kernel, how one would add additional knobs and how one would structure the configuration file. Those are the kinds of details I was looking for, not an airy-fairy depiction of what things would be like well after those sorts of issues were sorted out. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 10:56:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27419 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:56:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27328; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00824; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:55:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805071755.KAA00824@rah.star-gate.com> To: potok@friko.onet.pl cc: Julian Elischer , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Steve Shoecraft , hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 10:42:50 +0200." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <821.894563721.1@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 10:55:21 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is a mechanism for your request . Just ask NCI . Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 11:48:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08160 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08038; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:47:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01110; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd001104; Thu May 7 18:46:58 1998 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Amancio Hasty cc: Mariusz Potocki , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Steve Shoecraft Subject: Re: New Advocacy Mission: (Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD ) In-Reply-To: <199805071620.JAA00452@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG remember, they HAVE such a beast, they are just not selling it.... john, can you do 10 minutes of research and get the name of a sales person to call..? then we can put it in the archives to make sure all the calls go through the same place. On Thu, 7 May 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Brief: I am sick and tire of listening to ISPs stating that they would love > to have a supported version of Oracle's database. > > Target : Oracle and NCI > > Objective: Secure option to purchase Oracle 7 from either NCI or Oracle > > What we need is contacts, fax numbers, e-mail address so we can ask for > Oracle 7. > > End - Of - Transmission > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 12:09:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12950 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12834 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:08:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA12467; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:04:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:04:38 -0600 (MDT) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199805071904.NAA12467@narnia.plutotech.com> To: Snob Art Genre cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -stable kernel not building, any suggestions? (fwd) Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article you wrote: > I tried deleting my /sys tree and re-cvsupping it, but that made no > difference. > > Help! Sync to version 1.22.2.4 of mfs_vfsops.c. I missed it in my "merger mania" yesterday. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 12:32:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15959 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA15930 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:32:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0yXWOh-002Zk4C; Thu, 7 May 98 21:32 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:02:41 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:58:51 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-Jul-4) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980507095816.00689420@bugs.us.dell.com> from Tony Overfield at "May 7, 98 09:58:16 am" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:58:51 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tony Overfield wrote: > Mike Smith wrote: > > [...] by taking advantage of the > > fact that most systems *do* have PnP BIOS support. > > Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > >This assumption is wrong. > > I'd be very surprised if any new system built in the last > three years didn't include PnP BIOS support. This might be correct. But "new system " != "most systems" ! > IMHO, anything > older than that is approaching obsolescence anyway. This assumption is wrong. Currently, many people in medium and large companies get hold of "old" hardware consisting of 486 and and Pentium 90 class machines which are just there because the (Word) users are working on 233 PII machines. And they discover that a (or a cluster of) 486/66 running FreeBSD is much more powerful than a 233 PII running NT. There are loads and loads of 386, 486 and Pentiums <= 100MHz out there which are just fine for running them as routers or gateways or proxies or or or and which do _not_ have a PnP BIOS. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe "Those who can, do. Those who can't, talk. And those who can't talk, talk about talking." (B. Shaw) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 12:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19663 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:54:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19533 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.TransSys.COM) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.TransSys.COM (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05493; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805071953.PAA05493@whizzo.TransSys.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Nate Williams cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? References: <199805070346.VAA07828@mt.sri.com> <27442.894517330@time.cdrom.com> <199805071455.IAA09315@mt.sri.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 08:55:45 MDT." <199805071455.IAA09315@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:53:12 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I want the user to have control of what's going on at compile time, and > I'd like the ability for the user to be able to re-configure it at > userconfig time as well. > > The problem with sysctl is that it's trying to be all things to all men, > and like M$ Registrty, it becomes too complex and unweildy since *all* > configuration is dumped into it's bowels, so keeping the namespace sane > is almost impossible. And, assuming you've done a good job of keeping > the namespace separated out, you have to understand *how* it's separated > in order to use it, which means that your average user won't know which > know to tweak until after he's read the poorly documented 14 page book > that explains each of the sysctl knobs. > > Excpecting the users to know/understand each and every tweakable know is > ludicrous. By making the knob/hooks settable in the config file > (something they already know how to deal with, or will know how to deal > with) means it's *really* obvious which device they are messing with, so > the learning curve is much less. And in the same spirit, I'd like to be able to specify in the config file the same stuff that gets specified by the 'pnp' commands when you do boot with the -c option. Having it in the /kernel.conf file is sort of kludgy. It would be nice to be able to extend the config file syntax to build other tables. Another instance of this capability might be used to specify SCSI quirks, rather than modifing the source code, and making sure it doesn't get zapped next time you do an upgrade. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 12:58:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20370 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:58:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20169 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA) Received: from Shevchenko.Kiev.UA (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15080; Thu, 7 May 1998 22:55:05 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <35521182.2B5FFF48@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 22:54:53 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua Organization: GlavAPU X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com CC: steve.shoecraft@microchip.com, julian@whistle.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sbabkin@dcn.att.com wrote: > ? ? Steve Shoecraft wrote: > ? ? Let me ask the question I have in another way: > ? ? > ? ? o Is it possible to convert the SCO object files (ELF?) to > ? what > ? ? FreeBSD uses natively (COFF?)? > ? ? > ? ? o If I can't convert the object files, can I link the object > ? files > ? ? together to make a binary? > ? > I already had this idea. I can tell you a saga about it :-) > I wrote COFF (Oracle 7.1.6 for SCO was using > COFF format) to BSD a.out converter and started implementation of > SCO-compatible libraries. I took FreeBSD 2.0.5 libraries as base > (because they are smaller and simpler than later) and started > comparing man pages from SCO and FreeBSD. I have compared all the > man pages and have converted about 1/3 of differences (the converted > part included base packages like stdio and locale), when my > experiments with SCSI I did at the same time led to a big disk crash. > The COFF-?BSD converter was lost during it but the library sources > have survived. It took lots of time to restore from this crash > and many things have occurred since that but this work is still > in the state when it was before crash. If somebody wants to > continue it, I'm ready to provide the part I did and SCO man pages, > grouped by compatibility. You will probably also need SCO > to generate the test examples. I don't know whether SCO is still > distributing their Open Desktop for nominal charge for personal > use. That is the sad end of this saga :-( > I'm interesting in this, can you post/open www/ftpfor you library and point to some docs about a.out/coff format ? (P.S. Are you understand russian ? If yes, are you understand koi8 ?) > -Serge Babkin > working as Oracle DBA now > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- @= //RSSH mailto:Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 13:15:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23602 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:15:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skraldespand.demos.su (skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.5.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23572 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mishania@skraldespand.demos.su) Received: by skraldespand.demos.su id AAA07894; (8.8.8/D) Fri, 8 May 1998 00:14:50 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19980508001449.56447@demos.su> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 00:14:49 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: Tom Cc: Karl Pielorz , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore broken? References: <354F6D1D.47530E6C@tdx.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Tom on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 01:00:25PM -0700 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. X-Useless-Header: Look ma! It's a # sign! Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 01:00:25PM -0700, Tom wrote: # On Tue, 5 May 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: # > Tom wrote: # > > Posted Apr 16 to freebsd-stable. The only response that I received was # > > from someone that said, "thats just like the PR that I sent a long time # > > ago". That was me. As I said in the PR, it applies to all, 2.1xx/2.2xx/3.0-current branches (since nobody touches dump/restore?). # > I think you need to be a bit more specific... So, your saying that if I run # > a dump - and then later go to restore it, or check what's on a previously # > 'dumped' tape by running: # > # > restore t # # That is exactly what I'm saying. You should look at bin/4683. I didn't # report this one, but this poster believes it is sparse file problem. I # don't think I'm backing up any sparse file on my filesystem (just user # data). I not only believe, I know it (see the difference between the two words ;)). Since tar -[blah]S[blah] worked splendid on the filesystem we were playing then, like, several hundreds of files, each having had thousands of hardlinks. # > on a 't' - and only once on a restore (but that as I've already said) was # > due to bad termination... # # That shouldn't happen. Do you have parity turned on both the controller # and the tape drive? That couldn't be the case, since, say, I didn't use tapes then. Simple sd's. # > Karl Pielorz # # Tom -- -mishania To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 13:16:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23824 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:16:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23648 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:15:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03339; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:15:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA10708; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:15:40 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:15:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199805072015.OAA10708@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: hm@kts.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19980507095816.00689420@bugs.us.dell.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > IMHO, anything > > older than that is approaching obsolescence anyway. > > This assumption is wrong. > > Currently, many people in medium and large companies get hold of "old" > hardware consisting of 486 and and Pentium 90 class machines which are > just there because the (Word) users are working on 233 PII machines. As well as older laptops, which are non PnP (and we don't yet support newer laptops with CardBus controllers, so for now we've *GOT* to support the older systems until someone writes CardBus code.) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 13:30:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26750 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:30:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from crack.x509.com (crack.x509.com [199.175.150.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26713 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:30:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tbaur@xcert.com) Received: from crack (crack [199.175.150.1]) by crack.x509.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA06709 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Baur X-Sender: tbaur@crack To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3C905B Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I attempted to use the new 3C905B card (with LAN wake-up). However it failed with a no driver assigned error. I have been told that this card is supported under the vx driver. Following is the PCI section of boot -v; Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:1:0 chip2 rev 1 on pci0:1:1 mapreg[20] type=1 addr=0000e000 size=0010. chip3 rev 1 int d irq 10 on pci0:1:2 mapreg[20] type=1 addr=0000d800 size=0020. chip4 rev 1 on pci0:1:3 pci0:11: vendor=0x10b7, device=0x9055, class=network (ethernet) int a irq 11 [no driver assigned] map(10): io(d400) map(14): mem32(e7000000) vga0 rev 3 on pci0:12:0 mapreg[10] type=0 addr=e6000000 size=1000000. pci0: uses 16777216 bytes of memory from e6000000 upto e6ffffff. pci0: uses 48 bytes of I/O space from d800 upto e00f. pci0:11: is the 905B card. Any idea's? -Tim Baur To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 14:07:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04641 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:07:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04538 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:06:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkf@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA15209; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:06:48 -0700 (PDT) X-SMTP: helo web2.calweb.com from jkf@calweb.com server jkf@web2.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.52 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -stable kernel not building, any suggestions? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199805071904.NAA12467@narnia.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 May 1998, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > In article you wrote: > > I tried deleting my /sys tree and re-cvsupping it, but that made no > > difference. > > > > Help! > > Sync to version 1.22.2.4 of mfs_vfsops.c. I missed it in my "merger mania" > yesterday. I have the same problem. I cvsup'ed the above file, rm'ed the compile directory, and reran config but I am still getting similar errors. Here is what I am getting. cc -c -O -pipe -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-ex terns -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -nostdinc -I- - I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DMFS -DFFS -DIPDIVERT -DINET -DCOMPAT_43 -DFAILSA FE -DKERNEL ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c: In function `mfs_strategy': ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c:196: structure has no member named `tqh_last' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c:196: structure has no member named `tqh_last' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c:196: structure has no member named `tqh_last' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c: In function `mfs_close': ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c:267: structure has no member named `tqh_first' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c:268: structure has no member named `tqh_last' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c:269: parse error before `mfs_doio' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c:285: structure has no member named `tqh_first' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c: In function `mfs_inactive': ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c:307: structure has no member named `tqh_first' ../../ufs/mfs/mfs_vnops.c:309: structure has no member named `tqh_first' *** Error code 1 Stop. [root@outreach:/usr/src/sys/compile/OUTREACH]# -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason K. Fritcher Sr. Technical Support jkf@calweb.com CalWeb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com/ 916-641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 14:29:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08961 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from grayling.erg.sri.com (grayling.erg.sri.com [128.18.4.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA08883; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:29:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from templin@erg.sri.com) Received: by grayling.erg.sri.com (SMI-8.6/2.7davy) id OAA11997; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:29:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199805072129.OAA11997@grayling.erg.sri.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:29:15 -0700 From: "Fred L. Templin" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: mgorman@isi.edu, templin@erg.sri.com Subject: Missing Receive Data interrupts on a 16550 UART (sio driver)... Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, We're building a custom PC-CARD based on the Zilog Z80182 which "mimics" a 16550 UART at the host interface. We're using the sio.c driver via the SLIP line discipline to talk to the card, and we're able to both transmit and receive data bytes. Whenever the host writes a stream of data bytes to the 16550's Transmit Holding Register (and 16byte transmit FIFO) we get a "Transmit Holding Register Empty" interrupt after the Z182 has finished servicing the FIFO, which is as expected. But, we never get hardware interrupts when the Z182 writes the Receive Buffer Register and/or fills the receive FIFO beyond the trigger level. (I know the Z182 is writing data bytes, because when I enable the sio.c driver's timeout routine to do polling the received data is sitting there in the FIFO waiting for the host to grab it. Has anyone seen anything like this before? Any suggestions on debugging procedures? Thanks, Fred templin@erg.sri.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 14:37:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10171 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:37:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from crack.x509.com (crack.x509.com [199.175.150.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10124 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tbaur@xcert.com) Received: from crack (crack [199.175.150.1]) by crack.x509.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA09831 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:37:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Baur X-Sender: tbaur@crack To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3C905B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Following up on my previous post.. I attempted to add a entry into the source code. However that failed as well. Guess there is a reason 3com isnt very well supported under freebsd. Time to switch to SMC. -Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 15:23:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17543 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17457 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:23:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18857; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:22:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd018835; Thu May 7 15:22:53 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA13813; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:22:51 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805072222.PAA13813@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:22:51 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, beng@lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 7, 98 00:22:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Question: why does it segfault several seconds after producing the > > > "abort?" prompt? > > > > Because it is busy dumping core because of the explicit call to "abort" > > because you did not set "yflag" using the "-y" command line option. > > > > > It had already detected the "hole in map" problem? > > > > Yes. It won't call panic (a function in utilities.c) if it hasn't > > panic'ed. > > That is bizare. So it prints a "y/n" prompt and calls the panic > function anyhow? Look at the code. You could argue that this was a cosmetic bug. > > One possible reason for this problem *could* ge your limits on the > > account doing the restore (see login.conf). > > I run restore as root. Root is limited by login.conf, just like everyone else. > Media is good. Dump to disk file does same thing. I've proved that the > tape media and tape drive are not a factor. OK. Now we need proof that it isn't the raw disk device, the EIDE controller, the EIDE drive, the cable being too long, etc.. If you can do that, we still haven't localized it to whether it's dump writing bad data or restore thinking there's bad data when there isn't. > Except that most of those items you listed are the same thing. I've > eliminated the tape drive, the tape media, the tape SCSI controller, > the cable etc., leaving only three things: > > - raw access to a partition on EIDE > - EIDE controller > - dump/restore > > #2 is doubtful, as it would corrupting data all the time, and fsck > never reports a problem, unless the controller has an interesting > fail-when-accessed-by-dump bug. Or a fail under heavy access bug. You still need to md5 an unmounted raw device and run fsck, a bunch of times to make sure you are getting the same answer in both cases to eliminated the raw disk driver. This still won't eliminate some possible non-sequential access bugs that could be introduced either by the driver, the disk cache, or the VM system. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 15:35:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19537 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (daemon@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19478 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08887; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd008863; Thu May 7 15:34:28 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14231; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:34:27 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805072234.PAA14231@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) To: kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk (Karl Pielorz) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:34:27 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, tom@sdf.com, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Karl Pielorz" at May 7, 98 10:52:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hoping this helps rule out something... > > I have 11.5Gb's of EIDE 'storage' (2 x 4.5Gb EIDE's, and 1 x 2.5Gb EIDE) > all running off a 440FX chipset controller, and I can back them up and > restore them with no problems at all. I'm running the driver in DMA mode - > but I've also had it running in standard PIO mode as well (i.e. flags > 0x0). I have the same SCSI controller as Tom, i.e. a 2940UW. > > The only other thing I can think of is that DLT is a damned site faster > than DAT - my DAT drive manages about 600k/sec to/from tape, I beleive a > DLT is going to run at anything from 1-4Mb/sec, which is going to 'stress' > the SCSI / IDE side an awful lot more (and working under the principal one > of the best ways to break a system is to 'stress' it) maybe were seeing > something like that here? The DLT may do something strange, like write blank blocks in order to keep streaming. A lot of drives tend to do that. The fix, if this were the case, would be to download "team" or "ddd", either of which use multiple processes with interleaved I/O and token passing to make the data really fly off the machine. This tends to work well for sending large GIF's via CGI much faster than an HTTP server would normally stream them out, as well. ;-). However, his last posting had the problem occuring when he dumped to a disk file instead of the DLT. Since you aren't having problems, and he is, it's either the OS version (he is running 2.2.6, are you?), or the raw device driver, or he's running a CMD640B controller or an Intel controller, and has built his own kernel, and removed the: options "CMD640" That work around the known hardware bug in about 60% of all IDE controllers out there (by volume). >From LINT: # # Options for `wdc': # # CMD640 enables serializing access to primary and secondary channel # of the CMD640B IDE Chip. The serializing will only take place # if this option is set *and* the chip is probed by the pci-system. # He may also want to play with the flags on his controller; also from LINT: # # ST-506, ESDI, and IDE hard disks: `wdc' and `wd' # # NB: ``Enhanced IDE'' is NOT supported at this time. # # The flags fields are used to enable the multi-sector I/O and # the 32BIT I/O modes. The flags may be used in either the controller # definition or in the individual disk definitions. The controller # definition is supported for the boot configuration stuff. # # Each drive has a 16 bit flags value defined: # The low 8 bits are the maximum value for the multi-sector I/O, # where 0xff defaults to the maximum that the drive can handle. # The high bit of the 16 bit flags (0x8000) allows probing for # 32 bit transfers. # # The flags field for the drives can be specified in the controller # specification with the low 16 bits for drive 0, and the high 16 bits # for drive 1. # e.g.: #controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0x00ff8004 vector wdintr # # specifies that drive 0 will be allowed to probe for 32 bit transfers and # a maximum multi-sector transfer of 4 sectors, and drive 1 will not be # allowed to probe for 32 bit transfers, but will allow multi-sector # transfers up to the maximum that the drive supports. # If he has turned these on, he should try turning them *OFF*. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 15:51:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22156 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:51:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22124 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29232; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805072250.QAA29232@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Jason K. Fritcher" cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -stable kernel not building, any suggestions? (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 14:06:48 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 16:47:13 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I have the same problem. I cvsup'ed the above file, rm'ed the compile >directory, and reran config but I am still getting similar errors. Here is >what I am getting. Sync to mfs_vnops.c rev 1.14.2.1. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 16:20:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28723 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet14.ozemail.com.au (oznet14.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28576 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from fac_c1292 (pc111.slt.tased.edu.au [147.41.72.111]) by oznet14.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA11433; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:19:33 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35524184.5CF8@horizonti.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 09:19:32 +1000 From: Joe Shevland Reply-To: joe.shevland@horizonti.com Organization: Horizon Techonologies International X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: marc@bowtie.nl CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: <199805071628.SAA24315@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marc van Kempen wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 May 1998 at 2:27:01 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 May 1998, Mariusz Potocki wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> On 07-May-98 Julian Elischer wrote: > > >>> Steve Shoecraft wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> It'd be no problem for me to FTP the tar file and give it try... I > > >>>> PROMISE I'll delete it when I'm done... > > >>>> > > >>> That wouldn't be quite what nc had in mind by 'demo' :-) > > >> > > >> I lost some mail from this thread, so sorry if I'm off topic. > > >> It would be great if someone let access to some Oracle binaries. > > >> I know it's semi legal, but for some experiments, for choosen guys... > > > > > > I have the binaries but I'm not in a position to give them out as they are > > > on an NC server we are evaluating. however I can say that they DO work.. > > > > > > My best suggestion is for people to NAG ORACLE and NC! > > > you need to get pressure at the sales office. > > > > Julian's right. It seems that nagging convinced O'Reilly to publish a > > FreeBSD book, despite years of attempts on my part (and proof that the > > book was selling well). Oracle seems a good next target. > > > > Does anyone have an Email address I can send my message to? > I've just spoken to some of the parties involved with the NCI NC's down here in regard to Oracle 7 and FreeBSD. Now, going by what I was just told, FreeBSD _is_ definitely being discontinued 8( NT will replace this, and the Solaris effort is ongoing too. The NT version is now in beta. I'm not trying to spread misinformation, this is from an authoritive source. I think anyone will have a very hard time trying to purchase the Oracle 7 binaries; I'd be very surprised. From what I've heard, they've scrapped that side of things and will not release the code (I'm not saying a large amount of public pressure wouldn't change their minds, not saying it will either). -- Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 16:26:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29800 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from yard-sale.village.org (ys2.village.org [204.144.255.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29580 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:25:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6] by yard-sale.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yXa2H-0003S0-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:25:09 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA22750; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:25:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805072325.RAA22750@harmony.village.org> To: Tony Overfield Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 09:58:16 CDT." <3.0.3.32.19980507095816.00689420@bugs.us.dell.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19980507095816.00689420@bugs.us.dell.com> <199805070251.TAA00511@antipodes.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:25:07 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3.0.3.32.19980507095816.00689420@bugs.us.dell.com> Tony Overfield writes: : I'd be very surprised if any new system built in the last : three years didn't include PnP BIOS support. IMHO, anything : older than that is approaching obsolescence anyway. Ahem. there are boatloads of perfectly good 486 boxes out there that will likely never have PnP. These are in use every day serving web pages, routing mail, etc. They are no where near obsolete like, say most 286 boxes are.... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 16:27:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00176 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from yard-sale.village.org (ys2.village.org [204.144.255.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA00139 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6] by yard-sale.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yXa46-0003S2-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:27:02 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA22761; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805072327.RAA22761@harmony.village.org> To: Jim Carroll Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? Cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 10:57:54 EDT." References: Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:27:00 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Jim Carroll writes: : The only trouble with my idea is I'm not sure how to get access to the : hardware vector list. If someone feels disposed to pointing me in the : right direction, I would be happy to cut the code, and share the work. It is location 0. You'd have to run this under DOS, however. And even that wouldn't tell you what was really there if no driver had been installed. Your best bet is to run Windows and get a system summary there since it very likely groks all devices on your system. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 17:08:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06259 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06233 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkf@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA00645; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:08:21 -0700 (PDT) X-SMTP: helo web2.calweb.com from jkf@calweb.com server jkf@web2.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.52 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:08:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -stable kernel not building, any suggestions? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199805072250.QAA29232@pluto.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 May 1998, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >I have the same problem. I cvsup'ed the above file, rm'ed the compile > >directory, and reran config but I am still getting similar errors. Here is > >what I am getting. > > Sync to mfs_vnops.c rev 1.14.2.1. Thanx. That appears to have done it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason K. Fritcher Sr. Technical Support jkf@calweb.com CalWeb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com/ 916-641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 17:30:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08539 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08444 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:28:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09777; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Tim Baur cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3C905B In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 14:37:01 PDT." Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:28:39 -0700 Message-ID: <9774.894587319@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Following up on my previous post.. I attempted to add a entry into the > source code. However that failed as well. Guess there is a reason 3com > isnt very well supported under freebsd. Time to switch to SMC. I don't follow this at all. What are you trying to say here? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 17:48:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11190 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11044 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:47:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14226; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd014222; Fri May 8 00:44:36 1998 Message-ID: <35525583.3F54BC7E@whistle.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:44:51 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joe.shevland@horizonti.com CC: marc@bowtie.nl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: <199805071628.SAA24315@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> <35524184.5CF8@horizonti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe Shevland wrote: > > > I've just spoken to some of the parties involved with the NCI > NC's down here in regard to Oracle 7 and FreeBSD. Now, going by > what I was just told, FreeBSD _is_ definitely being discontinued 8( maybe you need to let john know the names of the people who told you that as He's doing it and no-one has told him to stop yet.. Or alternatively, maybe you've run into one of the people at NC who keep trying to spike the FreeBSD project by denying its existance and saying that it will never be stable.. there are some people there who are solaris fanatics who view FreeBSD as a threat. > > NT will replace this, and the Solaris effort is ongoing too. > The NT version is now in beta. I'm not trying to spread > misinformation, this is from an authoritive source. > > I think anyone will have a very hard time trying to purchase the > Oracle 7 binaries; I'd be very surprised. From what I've heard, > they've scrapped that side of things and will not release the > code (I'm not saying > a large amount of public pressure wouldn't change their minds, not > saying > it will either). > > -- > Joe > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 18:00:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13623 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pong.ping.at (pong.ping.at [193.81.13.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13589 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ahuber@ping.at) Received: from a011.static.Vienna.AT.EU.net (a011.static.Vienna.AT.EU.net [193.154.186.11]) by pong.ping.at (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA10849 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:00:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199805080100.DAA10849@pong.ping.at> From: "Andreas Huber" To: "hackers@freebsd.org" Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 03:04:55 +0000 Reply-To: "Andreas Huber" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Question about pipe() Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I was under the impression that if the write end of a pipe is closed, a read() at the other end of the pipe will return an error (or at least an EOF condition). Apparently it doesn't. Did I miss something? Is there another way to interrupt the read()? TIA, Andreas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 18:02:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13987 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:02:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13638 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:00:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA17164; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:30:27 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980508103026.W12200@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:30:26 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Andrzej Szydlo Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Archive 2150L jumper setting References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrzej Szydlo on Thu, May 07, 1998 at 12:50:43PM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 May 1998 at 12:50:43 +0200, Andrzej Szydlo wrote: > Hello, > > I have several Archive 2150L tape drives (QIC-02) with SC402 controller. > Unfortunately I don't have any jumper setting docs and controllers are not > set defaults. The most problematic is I/O address setting. Could please > someone send me an example settings? I only need one working example. You may find it interesting to send this to the -hardware and -hackers groups. I'll try -hackers for you now; try -hardware in a day or two if that doesn't produce any results. There's a better chance that somebody there will have the documentation. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 18:05:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14548 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:05:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14485 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:05:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id UAA04541; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:04:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Joe Shevland cc: marc@bowtie.nl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <35524184.5CF8@horizonti.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 8 May 1998, Joe Shevland wrote: > I've just spoken to some of the parties involved with the NCI > NC's down here in regard to Oracle 7 and FreeBSD. Now, going by > what I was just told, FreeBSD _is_ definitely being discontinued 8( > > NT will replace this, and the Solaris effort is ongoing too. > The NT version is now in beta. I'm not trying to spread misinformation, > this is from an authoritive source. Well I think there confused. I believe what john says NT is being used now for alot more tasks at oracle, but as he stated that has nothing to do with the NC. Now thats from john. I don't know who you talked to, but I don't think john is misinformed since he is a developer. Id bet whoever you talked to is misinformed about FreeBSD being out of the picture. I could be wrong but I think john's post made it clear FreeBSD is sticking around. Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 18:10:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15583 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15425 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dyson@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13025; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:09:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dyson) Message-Id: <199805080109.UAA13025@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <35525583.3F54BC7E@whistle.com> from Julian Elischer at "May 7, 98 05:44:51 pm" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:09:30 -0500 (EST) Cc: joe.shevland@horizonti.com, marc@bowtie.nl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer said: > Joe Shevland wrote: > > > > > > > I've just spoken to some of the parties involved with the NCI > > NC's down here in regard to Oracle 7 and FreeBSD. Now, going by > > what I was just told, FreeBSD _is_ definitely being discontinued 8( > > maybe you need to let john know the names of the people who > told you that as He's doing it and no-one has told him to stop > yet.. > There is a group of people working on *BSD in general. FreeBSD is not dead here, and there is little that is showing that it is. There are other products, but they don't affect the use of BSD. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 18:19:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17674 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet14.ozemail.com.au (oznet14.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17435; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:18:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from fac_c1292 (pc111.slt.tased.edu.au [147.41.72.111]) by oznet14.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA14086; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:18:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35525D5F.7C38@horizonti.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 11:18:23 +1000 From: Joe Shevland Reply-To: joe.shevland@horizonti.com Organization: Horizon Techonologies International X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: <199805080109.UAA13025@dyson.iquest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John S. Dyson wrote: > > Julian Elischer said: > > Joe Shevland wrote: > > > > > > I've just spoken to some of the parties involved with the NCI > > > NC's down here in regard to Oracle 7 and FreeBSD. Now, going by > > > what I was just told, FreeBSD _is_ definitely being discontinued 8( > > > > maybe you need to let john know the names of the people who > > told you that as He's doing it and no-one has told him to stop > > yet.. > > > There is a group of people working on *BSD in general. FreeBSD is > not dead here, and there is little that is showing that it is. There > are other products, but they don't affect the use of BSD. > Quote from the Bob Marley scriptures: 'Time will Tell' :) -- Joe Shevland Horizon Technologies International Team Leader L7, 65 Murray Street, Hobart TAS 7000 WWW: http://www.HorizonTechnologies.com Email: Joe.Shevland@Horizonti.com Phone: +61-3-6231-9335 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 18:39:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21559 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21378; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:38:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dyson@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13115; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:38:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dyson) Message-Id: <199805080138.UAA13115@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <35525D5F.7C38@horizonti.com> from Joe Shevland at "May 8, 98 11:18:23 am" To: joe.shevland@horizonti.com Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:38:15 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe Shevland said: > > > > > There is a group of people working on *BSD in general. FreeBSD is > > not dead here, and there is little that is showing that it is. There > > are other products, but they don't affect the use of BSD. > > > > Quote from the Bob Marley scriptures: > > 'Time will Tell' :) > You might be speaking of specific projects where we aren't using FreeBSD anymore. I am at the main NCI location, and really do know what is going on. I cannot really talk about future plans, but I can say that things are changing. Just look at things rationally, about how self destructive that it would be to try to use NT in appications where FreeBSD or *BSD are vastly more suitable. If we change directions significantly from where it is today, it would be possible for us to no longer use the *BSD platforms, but the flexibility that they give us is tremendous. We would have to make a major change in direction, from what is going on. Very little *significant* NT server development has been done in the last few months, yet the BSD and other U**X development has significant resources devoted towards it. *BSD might not be used forever, but for now, to start from scratch would take years with NT. You might be talking of the NC server or somesuch, and that itself might be changing, but again, that has little to do with the whole picture of how much BSD is used. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 18:39:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21577 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (quokka1.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21433 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:38:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA06702 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:38:17 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA06282; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:38:10 +0800 Message-Id: <199805080138.JAA06282@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New Advocacy Mission: (Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 11:46:55 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 09:38:10 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmmm. Has anyone done some benchmarks on this beast and how well does it compare to other OS's on the same hardware? Stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 18:45:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22557 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:45:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22170 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA17372; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:13:10 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980508111310.Y12200@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:13:10 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: hm@kts.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? References: <199805070251.TAA00511@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Hellmuth Michaelis on Thu, May 07, 1998 at 01:24:09PM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 May 1998 at 13:24:09 +0200, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > Mike Smith wrote: > >> [...] by taking advantage of the >> fact that most systems *do* have PnP BIOS support. > > This assumption is wrong. There's nothing like well-based reasoning to harden your case. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 18:51:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23605 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:51:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet14.ozemail.com.au (oznet14.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23488; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:51:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from fac_c1292 (pc111.slt.tased.edu.au [147.41.72.111]) by oznet14.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA22966; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:50:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <355264D8.4C92@horizonti.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 11:50:16 +1000 From: Joe Shevland Reply-To: joe.shevland@horizonti.com Organization: Horizon Techonologies International X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: <199805080138.UAA13115@dyson.iquest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John S. Dyson wrote: > > Joe Shevland said: > > > > > > > There is a group of people working on *BSD in general. FreeBSD is > > > not dead here, and there is little that is showing that it is. There > > > are other products, but they don't affect the use of BSD. > > > > > > > Quote from the Bob Marley scriptures: > > > > 'Time will Tell' :) > > > You might be speaking of specific projects where we aren't using > FreeBSD anymore. I am at the main NCI location, and really do > know what is going on. Sure. This needed to be said. I was talking about the NC-In- A-Box package (the one-step CD installation etc...), which I take it is not a major proportion of the development going on. > I cannot really talk about future plans, but I can say that things > are changing. Just look at things rationally, about how self > destructive that it would be to try to use NT in appications where > FreeBSD or *BSD are vastly more suitable. It seemed rather strange to me too. The only reason I could think of was that you were getting an overwhelming demand for NT from the mindwashed legions. > Very little *significant* NT server development has been done in > the last few months, yet the BSD and other U**X development has > significant resources devoted towards it. *BSD might not be used > forever, but for now, to start from scratch would take years with > NT. And would it be worth the headache? ;) > You might be talking of the NC server or somesuch, and that itself might > be changing, but again, that has little to do with the whole picture > of how much BSD is used. To reiterate, I was talking about one specific project. Thanks for clearing the air. -- Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 19:24:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27347 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 19:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (a09m.cet.co.jp [202.32.65.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27331 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 19:24:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00554; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805080121.SAA00554@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hm@kts.org cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 13:24:09 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 18:21:07 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith wrote: > > > [...] by taking advantage of the > > fact that most systems *do* have PnP BIOS support. > > This assumption is wrong. This assertion is baseless. Now, can we stop all this moaning and perhaps focus on the opportunities we have to leverage the improvements in the PC market? Or are you all scared that you won't be quite so justified next time you're deep in your cups whining about how crap PC hardware is? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 19:50:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01161 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 19:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (a09m.cet.co.jp [202.32.65.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAB00985 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 19:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00787; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805080146.SAA00787@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tim Baur cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3C905B In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 13:30:25 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 18:46:41 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I attempted to use the new 3C905B card (with LAN wake-up). However it > failed with a no driver assigned error. I have been told that this card is > supported under the vx driver. Following is the PCI section of boot -v; The 3c905A is supported. The B and future revisions are currently not supported. There is believed to be ongoing development work on a driver for this adapter, but for now you would be advised to consider an alternative. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 20:16:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06082 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05899 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:15:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA06007; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA12411; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:15:40 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:15:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199805080315.VAA12411@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Archie Cobbs , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805080158.SAA00834@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805071455.IAA09315@mt.sri.com> <199805080158.SAA00834@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Something that is not PnP specific, but allows a person to allocate > > resources to non-ISA devices. > > This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the original sysctl > reference (passing out-of-band behavioural configuration information to > an arbitrary driver). > > > Current situation: > > controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr > > > > What I'd like to be able to do: > > controller card0 at generic flags 0x1 irq ? > > > > The 'at generic' stuff is open to discussion, but I need a way of saying > > 'I *WANT* that IRQ, and you can't have it!" > > What you've just said is "I want to tell the driver to find its own > IRQ". I don't think this is what you meant. No, what I said is what I want. IF you have a non-ISA device, you can't tell FreeBSD that it has this IRQ. > I actually believe that the above syntax is wrong. I would be *more* > inclined to try: > > controller card > options "CARD_IRQ=10,11" > Options that control a particular device are *stupid*, and have been removed for th emost part. (I've even been one of the instigators of them, and they should be taken out an shot, but because of the above limitations there were not other alternatives.) > > Also, I'd like to see: > > controller irqsink0 at generic irq 11 > > controller irqsink1 at generic irq 13 > > > > For hardware that doesn't have any driver in FreeBSD so I can say > > "*DON'T* use this IRQ, it's in use." > > Why create a (totally bogus) driver? Because FreeBSD doesn't (and won't) support all of the available hardware. I'm trying to moving FreeBSD towards a more 'dynamic' system, and I'm being fought the entire way. > > Excpecting the users to know/understand each and every tweakable know is > > ludicrous. By making the knob/hooks settable in the config file > > (something they already know how to deal with, or will know how to deal > > with) means it's *really* obvious which device they are messing with, so > > the learning curve is much less. > > This is (IMO) bogus. Stuff set in the kernel configuration file is no > easier to manipulate than sysctl variables. Sure it is. I know how things are setup in the kernel config files. I can tell how to do things by doing a man 'foo', and it'll return me all the things that affect the foo driver, just like I've come accustomed to. (And this knowledge is in *ONE* place, not scatterred all over the system.) > On the other hand, if > stuff is compiled into the kernel, you're screwed if you want to tune > it at startup. You're not 'tuning' anything. You can modify it like we do everything else in userconfig, which is the 'standard' model we now use. > You're more than welcome to veneer over the fact that the startup > tunables are sysctl variables; sysctl is a parameter access method, not > a user interface as you appear to have mistaken it for. Doing something different just because you think it's a good ida doesn't make it a good idea. Duplicating functionality that already exists is adding 'Yet Another Thing to learn', when it's booth un-necessary and provices no additional functionality. Unix is already hard to learn, we're adding yet more crap for people to figure out. Instead of makign it easier, we're adding even more 'esoteric' configuration for them to understand. At least with things like M$ registery settings, the average user is never subjected to messing with it, but in our sysystem we invent new ways to confuse the user and require him to have an even steeper learning curve, because everyday we come up with something 'new' and better than what we did, which is neither new nor better, just different. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 20:18:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06532 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:18:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from huey.cadvision.com (huey.cadvision.com [207.228.64.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06460 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kielyd@cadvision.com) Received: from zimbra (ts59ip102.cadvision.com [207.228.74.102]) by huey.cadvision.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/CW) with SMTP id VAA1263712 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:18:25 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:15:51 -0600 Message-ID: <01BD79FD.50151E50.kielyd@cadvision.com> From: Daryn Kiely To: "'freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Coding question Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:15:43 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, I am currently working on a sockets program (using TCP connections) which has both a client and server. I am finding that when the server closes the connection and a client attempts to do a write() the program is exiting (never returns from the write). Now I was actually expecting the client process to receive a -1 when attempting to write to a closed socket. Has anyone else experienced this problem, or does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can get around it? TIA Daryn ----------------- Code snippets -------------------------- void RunProcess() { int fdServer, iNumChars, iStatus, iLength; char temp[1000], *pOutput; int iReturnValue; signal(SIGINT,SignalHandler); while (!g_iDone) { /* must read the server name and socket name from config file */ fdServer = ConnectToServer("daryn","smtp"); if (fdServer < 0) { /* Failed to connect to the server */ LogPrintf(SEV_FAIL," Failed connecting to server [%d]\n",errno); sleep(10); /* Make this sleep configurable */ continue; } g_iConnected = 1; while (g_iConnected && !g_iDone) { iNumChars = ReadFromSocket(fdServer,temp,1000, 10); temp[iNumChars] = '\0'; LogPrintf(SEV_DEBUG,"%s\n",temp); pOutput = BuildPacket(&iLength); if (WriteToSocket(fdServer,pOutput,iLength) != iLength) { LogPrintf(SEV_WARN,"Failed writing to socket, attempting to reconnect [%d]\n",errno); g_iConnected = 0; } } CloseSocket(fdServer); } } size_t WriteToSocket(int fdSocket, const void *buffer, size_t iLength) { int iReturnValue; fprintf(stderr,"5.0\n"); iReturnValue = write(fdSocket, buffer,iLength); fprintf(stderr,"5.1, return value = [%d]\n", iReturnValue); return(iReturnValue); } I see the 5.0 line of output but never see the "5.1". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 21:04:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11767 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:04:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from crack.x509.com (crack.x509.com [199.175.150.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11709 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:04:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tbaur@xcert.com) Received: from crack (crack [199.175.150.1]) by crack.x509.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA20158; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:04:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Baur X-Sender: tbaur@crack To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3C905B In-Reply-To: <9774.894587319@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I don't follow this at all. What are you trying to say here? Basically what Mike said.. alot of the computer dealer's here dont even stock the 3C905A cards now, only the new 3C905B. Thus its hard to keep up with the 3com cards and drivers to support them. So I was saying prehaps it would be better to switch to a SMC or Intel Etherexpress. Which is what I will probly end up doing :> -Tim On Thu, 7 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > The 3c905A is supported. The B and future revisions are currently not > supported. There is believed to be ongoing development work on a > driver for this adapter, but for now you would be advised to consider > an alternative. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 21:12:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12565 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:12:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12232; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from CharIesFox@aol.com) Received: from CharIesFox@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id HXZDa19024; Fri, 8 May 1998 00:08:29 -0400 (EDT) From: CharIesFox Message-ID: <2e321267.3552853e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 00:08:29 EDT To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: help? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows sub 2 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG excuse me i have window's 95 intalled and tryed to install FreeBSD 2.2.6 And Stopded Becuase Even though i have WELL well over 600 meg's free your program Only Detect's 3 Sector's on ethat has 6 Bytes (haha.. never ever gonna fit it there) and another one Meg Sector' and then the Main 2000+ Meg Sector... But if i install to the main sector with the 2000 i'm not sure if it will delete my Files. Could u help or direct me to someone that can To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 21:16:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13369 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:16:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13272 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:16:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt3-142.HiWAAY.net [208.147.146.142]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA05484; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:16:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA21523; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:47:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805080147.UAA21523@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Eivind Eklund cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: cvs woes In-reply-to: Message from Eivind Eklund of "Thu, 07 May 1998 02:52:42 +0200." <19980507025242.48058@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:47:29 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eivind Eklund writes: > > How much memory does it take? I only have 64M and another 128M of swap. > > That should be enough physical memory - the question is how your > limits are set (ie, login.conf and ulimit are your friend.) Am using (now) box-stock login.conf which says, $Id: login.conf,v 1.9.2.7 1998/03/09 03:03:23 steve Exp $ Looks like root logins are unlimited. I've been running cvs as root but sometimes with a simple "su -m" and other times with "su -m -". Don't remember which I used the times I locked up my system. > > That's the strangest thing. "cvs update" was not restoring the deleted > > directories. > > That's because they're missing from the metadata for CVS in their > parent directory, thus CVS think they're directories you have created > that just happen to be in the way of ones it would like to create. Ah! So I need to clobber not only the problem directory but its parent too. > Strange. Sound like a problem with the kernel ppp driver that is > triggered by /usr/sbin/pppd running out of memory. I've watched pppd with top and not observed that it took much memory. I don't use cvs thru pppd, use cvsup for that. Was thinking it was more Netscape related because that's where I was playing when suddenly everything stopped. > > So I'm tempting fate again. Haven't had a freeze since replacing a very > > old /etc/login.conf. Netscape, pppd, and cvs are running at this very > > moment. The freeze never occurs until cvs is very near the end of its > > tasks. > > I believe cvs accumulate memory all through its task (ie, it doesn't > free as much as it should), but I might be wrong. Well, its probably login.conf releated as I haven't been able to reproduce the problem since. Previously it would happen 4 out of 5 times. X would freeze solid. No mouse, no nothing. I could see incoming traffic on the modem but no replies. Couldn't switch the console to a vty. Turned the modem off and walked away. Same state the next morning. If its a resource allocation problem in login.conf I'm mildly dissapointed FreeBSD (RELENG_2_2) didn't handle it more gracefully. Now off to see if I can do a "make release"... :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 21:41:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17331 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:41:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (mail-out1.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17310 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from justin@lilith.apple.com) Received: from mailgate.apple.com (A17-128-100-225.apple.com [17.128.100.225]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19214 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:36:54 -0700 Received: from scv3.apple.com (unverified [17.128.100.121]) by mailgate.apple.com (mailgate.apple.com2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 07 May 1998 21:36:52 -0700 Received: from lilith.apple.com (lilith.apple.com [17.202.41.78]) by scv3.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13506; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:36:50 -0700 Received: (justin@localhost) by lilith.apple.com (8.6.9/A/UX 3.1) id VAA01526; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:37:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:37:02 -0700 From: "Justin C. Walker" Message-Id: <199805080437.VAA01526@lilith.apple.com> To: ahuber@ping.at Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Andreas Huber's message of Fri, 08 May 1998 03:04:55 +0000 <199805080100.DAA10849@pong.ping.at> Subject: Re: Question about pipe() Reply-To: justin@apple.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG /* * I was under the impression that if the write end of a pipe is closed, a * read() at the other end of the pipe will return an error (or at least * an EOF condition). Apparently it doesn't. Did I miss something? Is * there another way to interrupt the read()? */ In case no one's answered: a pipe reader will hang around waiting for data to read, the idea being that the pipe reader is a "service provider", while the pipe writer is the "service requester". A pipe doesn't really have an end-of-file - it's "infinitely long". The writer can get an error condition (EPIPE and/or SIGPIPE) because otherwise, there's no way of knowing that the "service provider" has taken a vacation (or otherwise wandered off into the weeds). Regards, Justin Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | They sentenced me to 20 years Apple CoreOS Networking | of boredom Apple Computer, Inc. | For trying to change the system 2 Infinite Loop | from within Cupertino, CA 95014 | LC *---------------------------------------*------------------------------------* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 21:56:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20231 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA20191 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA09402 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Fri, 8 May 1998 06:55:57 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA02938; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:23:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805071923.VAA02938@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980507095816.00689420@bugs.us.dell.com> from Tony Overfield at "May 7, 98 09:58:16 am" To: tony@dell.com (Tony Overfield) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:23:05 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Tony Overfield wrote... > Mike Smith wrote: > > [...] by taking advantage of the > > fact that most systems *do* have PnP BIOS support. > > Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > >This assumption is wrong. > > I'd be very surprised if any new system built in the last > three years didn't include PnP BIOS support. IMHO, anything > older than that is approaching obsolescence anyway. This is a recurring subject I suppose: there are still quite a number of people who run on a low/no budget and use old hardware. The last time, a couple of months ago, was with the proposal to axe bad144. Ancient maybe in your view, but usable to them. And most likely of era's when PNP was only a semiconductor acronym. Just my Dfl 0.02, Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 23:02:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27862 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bugs.us.dell.com (bugs.us.dell.com [143.166.169.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA27834 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:02:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@dell.com) Received: from moth (moth.us.dell.com [143.166.169.152]) by bugs.us.dell.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA09549 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 01:02:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980508005947.006ba3b4@bugs.us.dell.com> X-Sender: tony@bugs.us.dell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 00:59:47 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tony Overfield Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805072325.RAA22750@harmony.village.org> References: <3.0.3.32.19980507095816.00689420@bugs.us.dell.com> <199805070251.TAA00511@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: >In message <3.0.3.32.19980507095816.00689420@bugs.us.dell.com> Tony Overfield writes: >: I'd be very surprised if any new system built in the last >: three years didn't include PnP BIOS support. IMHO, anything >: older than that is approaching obsolescence anyway. > >Ahem. there are boatloads of perfectly good 486 boxes out there that >will likely never have PnP. These are in use every day serving web >pages, routing mail, etc. They are no where near obsolete like, say >most 286 boxes are.... > >Warner I don't mean to start a religious war. The point is that most PC boxes support the PnP BIOS. This is a simple matter of numbers. For the last three years, IMHO, all new systems have had this support. For most manufacturers, the number of PC boxes built in the last three years probably exceeds all the boxes ever built before then, even if they were all still in service (and they aren't). I do realize that the older systems are still very functional, with *BSD (and NetWare) in particular. I agree completely with this point. In fact, I run *BSD on systems which I consider to be obsolete. This harsh opinion of the older systems is justified, in my mind, because the "state of the art PC" (please excuse the apparent oxymoron) is quite simply far more powerful than any "perfectly good 486 box." I never meant to say that obsolete PC boxes aren't useful. It doesn't matter anyway, because adding PnP BIOS support should not cause systems without PnP BIOS to break. - Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 23:08:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28618 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA28603 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yXfty-0000pZ-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 22:40:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New Advocacy Mission: (Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD ) In-Reply-To: <199805080138.JAA06282@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 8 May 1998, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: > Hmmm. Has anyone done some benchmarks on this beast and how well does it > compare to other OS's on the same hardware? > > > Stephen Rumours are that it is not good. AFAIK, Oracle is written with threads and/or AIO. It seems to use its own user mode thread library (just like the Solid DBMS), which gives it mediocre multiuser performance (also just like Solid). Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 23:29:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02087 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA02070 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yXgFB-0000qo-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:02:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:02:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: Karl Pielorz , beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) In-Reply-To: <199805072234.PAA14231@usr01.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > options "CMD640" > > > That work around the known hardware bug in about 60% of all IDE > controllers out there (by volume). The percentage is a bit high. It is been a while since I've seen any of those around. The controller on my motherboard is an Intel 82371SB. Since it doesn't probe as a CMD640B, the 'options "CMD640B"' is a no-op anyhow. Besides didn't this bug just hang the machine when both channels were accessed at once. > He may also want to play with the flags on his controller; also from > LINT: Already all off. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 23:44:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04359 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04350 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:44:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13224 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Would anyone object to the following new flag to restore (-u) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 23:44:55 -0700 Message-ID: <13220.894609895@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It does what --unlink does for tar: Make sure that the target doesn't exist before doing an operation that could cause a warning diagnostic to be generated (e.g a symlink() or mknod() call with a pre-existing target). Sometimes you really want this behavior when you're using, for example, dump/restore back-to-back in order to clone a system disk to a backup drive. Unless you want to newfs the backup drive each and every time (which wouldn't allow you to do incremental dumps to it either), you're going to get a faceful of diagnostics every time from restore which only serve to obscure any real errors that may be occuring. Anyway, if there are no serious objections to this in the next 24 hours or so, I'll commit these changes: Index: main.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/restore/main.c,v retrieving revision 1.2.2.3 diff -u -u -r1.2.2.3 main.c --- main.c 1997/10/15 18:33:33 1.2.2.3 +++ main.c 1998/05/08 05:23:03 @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ int bflag = 0, cvtflag = 0, dflag = 0, vflag = 0, yflag = 0; int hflag = 1, mflag = 1, Nflag = 0; +int uflag = 0; int dokerberos = 0; char command = '\0'; long dumpnum = 1; @@ -97,9 +98,9 @@ inputdev = _PATH_DEFTAPE; obsolete(&argc, &argv); #ifdef KERBEROS -#define optlist "b:cdf:hikmNRrs:tvxy" +#define optlist "b:cdf:hikmNRrs:tuvxy" #else -#define optlist "b:cdf:himNRrs:tvxy" +#define optlist "b:cdf:himNRrs:tuvxy" #endif while ((ch = getopt(argc, argv, optlist)) != -1) switch(ch) { @@ -154,6 +155,9 @@ if (dumpnum <= 0) errx(1, "dump number must be greater than 0"); break; + case 'u': + uflag = 1; + break; case 'v': vflag = 1; break; @@ -289,10 +293,10 @@ { (void)fprintf(stderr, "usage:\t%s%s%s%s%s", "restore tfhksvy [file ...]\n", - "\trestore xfhkmsvy [file ...]\n", - "\trestore ifhkmsvy\n", - "\trestore rfksvy\n", - "\trestore Rfksvy\n"); + "\trestore xfhkmsuvy [file ...]\n", + "\trestore ifhkmsuvy\n", + "\trestore rfksvuy\n", + "\trestore Rfksvuy\n"); done(1); } Index: restore.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/restore/restore.8,v retrieving revision 1.5.2.3 diff -u -u -r1.5.2.3 restore.8 --- restore.8 1997/10/15 18:33:33 1.5.2.3 +++ restore.8 1998/05/08 06:26:59 @@ -41,32 +41,32 @@ .Sh SYNOPSIS .Nm restore .Fl i -.Op Fl chkmvy +.Op Fl chkmuvy .Op Fl b Ar blocksize .Op Fl f Ar file .Op Fl s Ar fileno .Nm restore .Fl R -.Op Fl ckvy +.Op Fl ckuvy .Op Fl b Ar blocksize .Op Fl f Ar file .Op Fl s Ar fileno .Nm restore .Fl r -.Op Fl ckvy +.Op Fl ckuvy .Op Fl b Ar blocksize .Op Fl f Ar file .Op Fl s Ar fileno .Nm restore .Fl t -.Op Fl chkvy +.Op Fl chkuvy .Op Fl b Ar blocksize .Op Fl f Ar file .Op Fl s Ar fileno .Op file ... .Nm restore .Fl x -.Op Fl chkmvy +.Op Fl chkmuvy .Op Fl b Ar blocksize .Op Fl f Ar file .Op Fl s Ar fileno @@ -316,6 +316,13 @@ .Ar fileno on a multi-file tape. File numbering starts at 1. +.It Fl u +When creating certain types of files, restore may generate a warning +diagnostic if they already exist in the target directory. +To prevent this, the +.Fl u +(unlink) flag causes restore to remove old entries before attempting +to create new ones. .It Fl v Normally .Nm restore Index: restore.h =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/restore/restore.h,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -u -u -r1.1.1.1 restore.h --- restore.h 1994/05/26 06:33:54 1.1.1.1 +++ restore.h 1998/05/08 05:30:06 @@ -47,6 +47,7 @@ extern int hflag; /* restore heirarchies */ extern int mflag; /* restore by name instead of inode number */ extern int Nflag; /* do not write the disk */ +extern int uflag; /* unlink symlink targets */ extern int vflag; /* print out actions taken */ extern int yflag; /* always try to recover from tape errors */ /* Index: tape.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/restore/tape.c,v retrieving revision 1.4.2.5 diff -u -u -r1.4.2.5 tape.c --- tape.c 1998/05/02 09:19:51 1.4.2.5 +++ tape.c 1998/05/08 06:19:46 @@ -552,6 +552,8 @@ return (linkit(lnkbuf, name, SYMLINK)); case IFIFO: + if (uflag && !Nflag) + (void)unlink(name); if (mkfifo(name, mode) < 0) { fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot create FIFO: %s\n", name, strerror(errno)); @@ -571,6 +573,8 @@ skipfile(); return (GOOD); } + if (uflag) + (void)unlink(name); if (mknod(name, mode, (int)curfile.dip->di_rdev) < 0) { fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot create special file: %s\n", name, strerror(errno)); @@ -589,6 +593,8 @@ skipfile(); return (GOOD); } + if (uflag) + (void)unlink(name); if ((ofile = open(name, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_TRUNC, 0666)) < 0) { fprintf(stderr, "%s: cannot create file: %s\n", Index: utilities.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/restore/utilities.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -u -r1.2 utilities.c --- utilities.c 1995/05/30 06:09:56 1.2 +++ utilities.c 1998/05/08 06:38:47 @@ -145,7 +145,7 @@ if (np->e_type != NODE) badentry(np, "newnode: not a node"); cp = myname(np); - if (!Nflag && mkdir(cp, 0777) < 0) { + if (!Nflag && mkdir(cp, 0777) < 0 && !uflag) { np->e_flags |= EXISTED; fprintf(stderr, "warning: %s: %s\n", cp, strerror(errno)); return; @@ -205,6 +205,10 @@ char *existing, *new; int type; { + + /* if we want to unlink first, do it now so *link() won't fail */ + if (uflag && !Nflag) + (void)unlink(new); if (type == SYMLINK) { if (!Nflag && symlink(existing, new) < 0) { To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 7 23:54:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06019 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:54:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA06014 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:54:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yXgd9-0000s7-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:27:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: beng@lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199805072222.PAA13813@usr01.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 7 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > That is bizare. So it prints a "y/n" prompt and calls the panic > > function anyhow? > > Look at the code. > > You could argue that this was a cosmetic bug. I've been arguing that since day 1. > > > One possible reason for this problem *could* ge your limits on the > > > account doing the restore (see login.conf). > > > > I run restore as root. > > Root is limited by login.conf, just like everyone else. No, root is not limited by login.conf. Also, "time -l" shows resource usage for restore. A "maximum resident set size" of 1264 isn't exactly hard for even a non-root user to cover. > > Media is good. Dump to disk file does same thing. I've proved that the > > tape media and tape drive are not a factor. > > OK. Now we need proof that it isn't the raw disk device, the EIDE > controller, the EIDE drive, the cable being too long, etc.. It is not the cables. Standard 18 inch cables. > If you can do that, we still haven't localized it to whether it's > dump writing bad data or restore thinking there's bad data when there > isn't. Except that I could send over a copy of the first few megs of a dump archive that doesn't work, and you could prove whether the archive is valid or not. On the other hand, assume that when dump reads the disk, it gets garbage. Dump takes the garbage and writes an archive. Why does restore crash reading the archive? Isn't restore just dump in reverse? Any archive written by dump should be restorable by restore. ... > Or a fail under heavy access bug. Unlikely that dump produce enough load. The drives can do about 5MB/s sustained filesystem performance. A DLT that can do about 1500KB/s (as reported by dump), isn't going to be stressing it that much. ... > This still won't eliminate some possible non-sequential access bugs > that could be introduced either by the driver, the disk cache, or the > VM system. I guess there is no point arguing "the simplest explanation is always the best." > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 02:02:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17776 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dog.farm.org (gw-hssi-2.farm.org [209.66.103.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17743 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:02:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dog.farm.org!dk) Received: (from dk@localhost) by dog.farm.org (8.7.5/dk#3) id BAA22474; Fri, 8 May 1998 01:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 01:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Dmitry Kohmanyuk Message-Id: <199805080855.BAA22474@dog.farm.org> To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Cc: tom@sdf.com (Tom), beng@lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE Newsgroups: cs-monolit.gated.lists.freebsd.hackers Organization: FARM Computing Association Reply-To: dk+@ua.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In article <199805072222.PAA13813@usr01.primenet.com> you wrote: [...] > > - raw access to a partition on EIDE > > - EIDE controller > > - dump/restore > > > > #2 is doubtful, as it would corrupting data all the time, and fsck > > never reports a problem, unless the controller has an interesting > > fail-when-accessed-by-dump bug. > Or a fail under heavy access bug. > You still need to md5 an unmounted raw device and run fsck, a bunch > of times to make sure you are getting the same answer in both cases > to eliminated the raw disk driver. another way to test it can be dd the whole FS from IDE drive (unmounted) to SCSI drive and test again. An md5 run on original and copy can be also a good idea. p.s. anybody using IDE for primary storage in production environment should be sho^H^H^Hadviced to stop... ;-) -- % Connection closed by foreign orc host. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 03:21:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27049 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from noether.blah.org (biz23.biz.usyd.edu.AU [129.78.192.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA27013 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:21:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ada@noether.lab.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from ada@localhost) by noether.blah.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13779; Fri, 8 May 1998 20:20:08 +1000 (EST) From: Ada Message-Id: <199805081020.UAA13779@noether.blah.org> Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: From Julian Elischer at "May 7, 98 05:44:51 pm" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:20:08 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: ada@bsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > there are some people there who are solaris fanatics who > view FreeBSD as a threat. and solaris fans there would have loved the fact that microsoft tried to run hotmail.com with NT, failed, and thus replaced a freebsd operation with solaris 2.6 -- The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 03:34:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA28264 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA28208 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:33:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no (skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.2]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id MAA10710; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:33:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:33:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Cc: Terry Lambert , beng@lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 08 May 1998 12:33:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: Tom's message of "Thu, 7 May 1998 23:27:39 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom writes: > On Thu, 7 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Root is limited by login.conf, just like everyone else. > No, root is not limited by login.conf. Yes, root *is* limited by login.conf. Excerpt from the login.conf(5) man page: A special record "default" in the system user class capability database /etc/login.conf is used automatically for any non-root user without a valid login class in /etc/master.passwd. A user with a uid of 0 without a valid login class will use the record "root" if it exists, or "default" if not. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 03:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29039 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:41:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29031 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no (skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.2]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id MAA11572; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:41:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:41:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Would anyone object to the following new flag to restore (-u) References: <13220.894609895@time.cdrom.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 08 May 1998 12:41:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 23:44:55 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > occuring. Anyway, if there are no serious objections to this in the > next 24 hours or so, I'll commit these changes: Objections? I'd say it's a most welcome addition. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 04:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05738 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 04:26:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from voland.freenet.bishkek.su (root@voland.freenet.bishkek.su [193.125.230.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05704 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 04:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fygrave@freenet.bishkek.su) Received: from freenet.bishkek.su (fygrave@freenet.bishkek.su [193.125.230.1]) by voland.freenet.bishkek.su (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA10482; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:26:33 +0600 Received: from localhost (fygrave@localhost) by freenet.bishkek.su (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA16675; Fri, 8 May 1998 16:38:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:38:53 -0500 (GMT+5) From: CyberPsychotic To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SOCK_RAW Message-ID: X-copyright: The content of this message is intellectual property of its author. So are all mistakes. X-lummer: Bill Gates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello people, Actually this is BSD C-related programming question, but since i didn't find any kind of freebsd-c-programming mailing lists.(time to have one?) I think that's the best place to ask: I came to bsd from linux, and abit got stuck with its raw packet socket programming. I used to use SOCK_PACKET type to get raw stream of data from ethernet infreface running in promisc. mode, but found out that it doesn't work this way under BSD. (well, it doesn't have SOCK_PACKET at all, so i used SOCK_RAW, but still didn't get result i wanted). I would appreciate if anyone could provide me sample code or some links/refernces to online documentation covering this mistery. Thanks beforehands, Best Regards Fyodor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 05:19:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11894 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 05:19:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.loa.com (qmailr@[199.171.167.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA11889 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 05:19:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@deity.loa.com) Received: (qmail 20155 invoked by uid 1639); 8 May 1998 12:19:06 -0000 Received: from deity.loa.com (brian@199.171.167.13) by deity.loa.com with SMTP; 8 May 1998 12:19:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:19:04 -0400 (EDT) From: brian mitchell To: CyberPsychotic cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SOCK_RAW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Use bpf, it is the same as sock packet, except it does not suck nearly as much. On Fri, 8 May 1998, CyberPsychotic wrote: > > Hello people, > Actually this is BSD C-related programming question, but since i didn't > find any kind of freebsd-c-programming mailing lists.(time to have one?) I > think that's the best place to ask: > > I came to bsd from linux, and abit got stuck with its raw packet socket > programming. I used to use SOCK_PACKET type to get raw stream of data from > ethernet infreface running in promisc. mode, but found out that it doesn't > work this way under BSD. (well, it doesn't have SOCK_PACKET at all, so i > used SOCK_RAW, but still didn't get result i wanted). I would appreciate > if anyone could provide me sample code or some links/refernces to online > documentation covering this mistery. > > Thanks beforehands, > Best Regards > Fyodor > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 06:00:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16765 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 06:00:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16709 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 06:00:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no (skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.2]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id OAA00759; Fri, 8 May 1998 14:59:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:59:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ada@bsd.org Cc: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: <199805081020.UAA13779@noether.blah.org> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 08 May 1998 14:59:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: Ada's message of "Fri, 8 May 1998 20:20:08 +1000 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ada writes: > > there are some people there who are solaris fanatics who > > view FreeBSD as a threat. > and solaris fans there would have loved the fact that microsoft tried to > run hotmail.com with NT, failed, and thus replaced a freebsd operation > with solaris 2.6 Wrong. They were running Solaris all along, both before and after their failed attempt with NT. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 06:28:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21453 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 06:28:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21408 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 06:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tjohnson@wallace.dlib.vt.edu) From: tjohnson@wallace.dlib.vt.edu Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05609; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wallace.dlib.vt.edu (wallace.dlib.vt.edu [198.82.180.178]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA19701; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wallace.dlib.vt.edu (5.65v4.0/1.1.19.2/10Apr98-0242PM) id AA02735; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:28:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:28:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199805081328.AA02735@wallace.dlib.vt.edu> To: marc@bowtie.nl, opsys@mail.webspan.net Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Cc: braukmann@tse-online.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au, shmit@kublai.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> On Tue, 5 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: >> >> > Sorry, that aint it either - I have a Millenium II and Blender works >> > fine under both AccelX 4.x and XFree86. >> >> Ok sure, fine mike go ahead and shoot that thoery down to! :) >> Maybe it doesnt like SMP then, anyone running it under -current with smp, >> and a matrox Mill. II? And no im not under any means ruling out operator >> error. Like I said I can get it to run fine if I use the -p flag and >> specify 1024x768. >> > >It can't be anything FreeBSD specific, several Linux users experience >the same bug. I have XFree86 3.3 driving a Matrox Millenium with 8MB of whatever it keeps its framebuffer in (1280x1024 with a 1280x1280 virtual display, at 32 bpp), and FreeBSD-Current as of a about 3 weeks ago, running SMP. I observe the same problem, it dosn't run full screen, but does run with the "-p 10 10 1024 768" argument. It fails to run with "-p 10 10 1024 1024". So, is it a problem with geometrys which are not the "right" aspect ratio? Anyway, NEAT program. Confusing program... I like it... -Tom "How many cups of sugar does it take to get to the moon?" "Uhh.. 3 1/2?" tjohnson@csREMOVEgrad.cs.vt.edu remove the REMOVEs... (avoid address sniffers) http://csREMOVEgrad.cs.vt.edu/~tjohnson/ Commercial email is unwelcome. Message and signature (c) 1998 Tommy O. Johnson, all rights reserved To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 07:33:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00932 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 07:33:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ren.dtir.qld.gov.au (firewall-user@ns.dtir.qld.gov.au [203.108.138.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00910 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 07:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au; id AAA09433; Sat, 9 May 1998 00:32:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma009431; Sat, 9 May 98 00:32:22 +1000 Received: from troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (troll-8.dtir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.1]) by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA01862; Sat, 9 May 1998 00:32:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (syssgm@localhost) by troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA03472; Sat, 9 May 1998 00:32:18 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199805081432.AAA03472@troll.dtir.qld.gov.au> X-Authentication-Warning: troll.dtir.qld.gov.au: syssgm@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Andreas Huber" cc: "Justin C. Walker" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: Question about pipe() References: <199805080437.VAA01526@lilith.apple.com> In-Reply-To: <199805080437.VAA01526@lilith.apple.com> from "Justin C. Walker" at "08 May 1998 15:37:53 +1000" Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:32:17 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 8th May 1998, "Justin C. Walker" wrote: > "Andreas Huber" wrote: > * I was under the impression that if the write end of a pipe is closed, a > * read() at the other end of the pipe will return an error (or at least > * an EOF condition). Apparently it doesn't. Did I miss something? Is > * there another way to interrupt the read()? Yes, when the write end is closed, the read end returns 0 bytes to read() (ie EOF). You might have duplicated the write end using fork() though and forgotten to close the copy you don't need. This is a common mistake. Similarly, a write when the read end is closed (all copies, remember) will generate SIGPIPE (which you can set to be ignored) and returns an error (with errno == EPIPE). Named pipes are very similar, but I don't think you were talking about these. > In case no one's answered: a pipe reader will hang around >waiting for data to read, the idea being that the pipe reader is a >"service provider", while the pipe writer is the "service requester". >A pipe doesn't really have an end-of-file - it's "infinitely long". I have no idea what this fellow means here. I suggest you disregard it. Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 08:52:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11396 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 08:52:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11323 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 08:51:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13998; Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980508185120.A13983@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:20 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MFC Mail-Followup-To: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! MFC word in commitlogs, what does it mean? -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 09:08:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14084 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14036 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA32087 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Fri, 8 May 1998 18:08:09 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA11464 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 8 May 1998 18:10:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805081610.SAA11464@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: list-misuse: shapiro.org mail bounces.. To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:10:03 +0200 (MET DST) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for the abuse of the list, but anybody know why mail to Shimon Shapiro bounces? shapiro.org that is. _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 09:33:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17547 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:33:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17521 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:32:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13848; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:30:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Ruslan Ermilov cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MFC In-Reply-To: <19980508185120.A13983@ucb.crimea.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 8 May 1998, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > Hi! > > MFC word in commitlogs, what does it mean? > Merge From Current. > -- > Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator > ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank > +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea > 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 09:48:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20311 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan@dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20211 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12040 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:48:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Message-ID: <19980508114802.A11941@emsphone.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:48:02 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MFC References: <19980508185120.A13983@ucb.crimea.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.4i In-Reply-To: <19980508185120.A13983@ucb.crimea.ua>; from "Ruslan Ermilov" on Fri May 8 18:51:20 GMT 1998 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (May 08), Ruslan Ermilov said: > Hi! > > MFC word in commitlogs, what does it mean? Merge from -current. Used when moving changes to the -stable branch. See also YAMFC (Yet Another MFC). -Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 09:53:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21205 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21168 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA14750 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Fri, 8 May 1998 18:53:12 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA12444; Fri, 8 May 1998 18:36:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805081636.SAA12444@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Archive 2150L jumper setting In-Reply-To: <19980508103026.W12200@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "May 8, 98 10:30:26 am" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:36:10 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: andrzej@maciek.gv.edu.pl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Greg Lehey wrote... > On Thu, 7 May 1998 at 12:50:43 +0200, Andrzej Szydlo wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have several Archive 2150L tape drives (QIC-02) with SC402 controller. > > Unfortunately I don't have any jumper setting docs and controllers are not > > set defaults. The most problematic is I/O address setting. Could please > > someone send me an example settings? I only need one working example. (pulls out ancient FE manual): On the drive itself you don't want any jumpers installed. SC402: Base I/O can be 0x00-0x07 to 0x7f8-0x7ff (all on 8 byte boundaries) straps CMP3 to CMP10 represent the binary base address. Strap installed is 0. CMP3 is topmost strap. e.g. 0x200: only CMP9 installed. Hope this helps, Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 09:53:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21206 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21184 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA14767 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Fri, 8 May 1998 18:53:23 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA12479; Fri, 8 May 1998 18:41:08 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805081641.SAA12479@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) In-Reply-To: <199805072234.PAA14231@usr01.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "May 7, 98 10:34:27 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:41:08 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk, tlambert@primenet.com, tom@sdf.com, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Terry Lambert wrote... > > Hoping this helps rule out something... > > > > I have 11.5Gb's of EIDE 'storage' (2 x 4.5Gb EIDE's, and 1 x 2.5Gb EIDE) > > all running off a 440FX chipset controller, and I can back them up and > > restore them with no problems at all. I'm running the driver in DMA mode - > > but I've also had it running in standard PIO mode as well (i.e. flags > > 0x0). I have the same SCSI controller as Tom, i.e. a 2940UW. > > > > The only other thing I can think of is that DLT is a damned site faster > > than DAT - my DAT drive manages about 600k/sec to/from tape, I beleive a > > DLT is going to run at anything from 1-4Mb/sec, which is going to 'stress' > > the SCSI / IDE side an awful lot more (and working under the principal one > > of the best ways to break a system is to 'stress' it) maybe were seeing > > something like that here? > > The DLT may do something strange, like write blank blocks in order to > keep streaming. A lot of drives tend to do that. The fix, if this Nope, it starts 'shoe shining'. The DLT7000 might drop out of compressed mode in an attempt to keep streaming. DLT[24]000 don't do this AFAIK. > were the case, would be to download "team" or "ddd", either of which use > multiple processes with interleaved I/O and token passing to make > the data really fly off the machine. DLTs need blocksizes >= 64 Kb to be kept happy streaming. I used a DLT2000 for years on my FreeBSD box, I now have a DLT4000. I can't keep 'm streaming from a 4G Barracuda with the current 64kB physio() limit. Keep the tape and the disks on seperate SCSI channels (I have 2x NCR810). I've never even *owned* a IDE disk, let alone used one on my system so I cannot comment on what this might do with DLT drives. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 10:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29493 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:37:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29452 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:36:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.NoDak.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13752; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:36:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:36:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199805081736.MAA13752@plains.NoDak.edu> To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > DLTs need blocksizes >= 64 Kb to be kept happy streaming. I used a DLT2000 > for years on my FreeBSD box, I now have a DLT4000. I can't keep 'm streaming > from a 4G Barracuda with the current 64kB physio() limit. Keep the tape and > the disks on seperate SCSI channels (I have 2x NCR810). do you have any experience using the DLT drive backup filesystem over a moderately busy local area network? --mark. 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An independent review of HRtrack Professional http://www.sharewarejunkies.com/8gh3/hrtrack.htm Thank You For Your Time Ken Prather To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 10:42:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00546 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:42:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00468 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:42:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Fri May 8 12:23 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA22887 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:42:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 8 May 1998 13:41:55 -0400 Message-ID: To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How to run SCO Merge on FreeBSD ? Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:41:53 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Yesterday I looked at SCO website and found that they are licensing Merge (DOS, Win 3.1 and Win95 emulator) for personal and non-commercial usage for free. I have a question now: how much efforts will be approximately be needed to run it on FreeBSD ? Surely, some additional kernel support is necessary. But I guess the thing is worth it. It would be very nice to run it at home. And the commercial organizations probably can buy it from SCO without buying SCO Open Server :-) (yes, I know that it's possible to to get SCO Unix for personal use for free and I did it but running Merge on FreeBSD would be twice more fun :-) -Serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 11:30:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08906 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:30:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08705 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:29:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dyson@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16030; Fri, 8 May 1998 13:29:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dyson) Message-Id: <199805081829.NAA16030@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: New Advocacy Mission: (Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD ) In-Reply-To: from Tom at "May 7, 98 10:40:53 pm" To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:29:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: shocking@prth.pgs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom said: > > On Fri, 8 May 1998, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: > > > Hmmm. Has anyone done some benchmarks on this beast and how well does it > > compare to other OS's on the same hardware? > > > > > > Stephen > > Rumours are that it is not good. AFAIK, Oracle is written with threads > and/or AIO. It seems to use its own user mode thread library (just like > the Solid DBMS), which gives it mediocre multiuser performance (also just > like Solid). > I agree, except current reports do show that FreeBSD does OK, but not stellar. I wrote the AIO stuff to support the Oracle database and video server stuff. It has languished for awhile, but will definitely be in a public, final form by 3.0. The internal info that I have heard (3rd hand) is that with AIO, FreeBSD is okay for sure. If I get my hands on it someday, I might be able to do so optimization. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 11:33:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09425 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:33:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09383 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yXrXF-0001NT-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:06:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Wilko Bulte cc: Terry Lambert , kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) In-Reply-To: <199805081641.SAA12479@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 8 May 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > DLTs need blocksizes >= 64 Kb to be kept happy streaming. I used a DLT2000 > for years on my FreeBSD box, I now have a DLT4000. I can't keep 'm streaming > from a 4G Barracuda with the current 64kB physio() limit. Keep the tape and > the disks on seperate SCSI channels (I have 2x NCR810). > > I've never even *owned* a IDE disk, let alone used one on my system so I > cannot comment on what this might do with DLT drives. Well, my DLT 4000 drive has a 2MB buffer, and I've never had a problem making it stream properly. Some backup situtions (tar on a fileystem with lots of small files) are probably going troublesome, but that can be avoided by using something like star, which uses a double-buffer arragement. Some have reported that star is faster than dump. Well, IDE is automatically not using the SCSI bus, so there is no problem there. So if they are reasonable drives, it should work. I get about 5MB/s filesystem performance, which isn't great, but more than enough to keep a DLT4000 busy. > Wilko > _ ______________________________________________________________________ > | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl > |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl > ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 12:59:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24914 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:59:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from huron.nvl.virginia.edu (adrian@huron.nvl.Virginia.EDU [128.143.244.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24878 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@nvl.virginia.edu) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by huron.nvl.virginia.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA18611; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:58:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrian Filipi-Martin Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: ada@bsd.org, Julian Elischer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA24887 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 8 May 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan [iso-8859-1] Smørgrav wrote: > Ada writes: > > > there are some people there who are solaris fanatics who > > > view FreeBSD as a threat. > > and solaris fans there would have loved the fact that microsoft tried to > > run hotmail.com with NT, failed, and thus replaced a freebsd operation > > with solaris 2.6 > > Wrong. They were running Solaris all along, both before and after > their failed attempt with NT. Almost a correct correction. The article I read had the mail services always running under solaris, but the www server(s?) was n FreeBSD. Adrian -- adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, Neurosurgical Visualization Lab ->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 13:12:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27129 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 13:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27066; Fri, 8 May 1998 13:12:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02529; Fri, 8 May 1998 13:12:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805082012.NAA02529@rah.star-gate.com> To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG cc: tom@sdf.com (Tom), shocking@prth.pgs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: New Advocacy Mission: (Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 08 May 1998 13:29:32 CDT." <199805081829.NAA16030@dyson.iquest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2526.894658367.1@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 13:12:47 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just ask Julian for any benchmark data points that you may need since he is evaluating the NC server right now. Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 15:00:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23516 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA23280 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 14:59:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yXulS-0001Uz-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 14:33:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:33:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Mark Tinguely cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) In-Reply-To: <199805081736.MAA13752@plains.NoDak.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 8 May 1998, Mark Tinguely wrote: > > DLTs need blocksizes >= 64 Kb to be kept happy streaming. I used a DLT2000 > > for years on my FreeBSD box, I now have a DLT4000. I can't keep 'm streaming > > from a 4G Barracuda with the current 64kB physio() limit. Keep the tape and > > the disks on seperate SCSI channels (I have 2x NCR810). > > do you have any experience using the DLT drive backup filesystem over a > moderately busy local area network? The low end DLT drives do about 1000K to 1500K/s. So, a backup over a 10mbs network isn't going to stream. You could use fast ethernet, or spool data to disk first (I do the later). > --mark. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 15:21:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26691 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26645; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03775; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd003773; Fri May 8 22:16:38 1998 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: "John S. Dyson" cc: joe.shevland@horizonti.com, marc@bowtie.nl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199805080109.UAA13025@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm just saying that you should be told who IS saying it so that you can call them and ask them to stop SAYING it.. julian On Thu, 7 May 1998, John S. Dyson wrote: > Julian Elischer said: > > Joe Shevland wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I've just spoken to some of the parties involved with the NCI > > > NC's down here in regard to Oracle 7 and FreeBSD. Now, going by > > > what I was just told, FreeBSD _is_ definitely being discontinued 8( > > > > maybe you need to let john know the names of the people who > > told you that as He's doing it and no-one has told him to stop > > yet.. > > > There is a group of people working on *BSD in general. FreeBSD is > not dead here, and there is little that is showing that it is. There > are other products, but they don't affect the use of BSD. > > -- > John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, > dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, > jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 15:26:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27799 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:26:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA27684 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA31583 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Sat, 9 May 1998 00:26:10 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA14584; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:18:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805082018.WAA14584@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) In-Reply-To: <199805081736.MAA13752@plains.NoDak.edu> from Mark Tinguely at "May 8, 98 12:36:44 pm" To: tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:18:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Mark Tinguely wrote... > > DLTs need blocksizes >= 64 Kb to be kept happy streaming. I used a DLT2000 > > for years on my FreeBSD box, I now have a DLT4000. I can't keep 'm streaming > > from a 4G Barracuda with the current 64kB physio() limit. Keep the tape and > > the disks on seperate SCSI channels (I have 2x NCR810). > > do you have any experience using the DLT drive backup filesystem over a > moderately busy local area network? Not really. We do backups to Legato/Digital Unix on a DLT 5 loader but I've never witnessed it. It runs at 4 am ;-) But it never let us down either. Keeping a DLT streaming over a single 10mbit ethernet is quite impossible. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 15:39:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00310 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00196 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07690 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:37:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Make Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anybody know if BSD4.4 make has, at any time, used the "#" symbol for anything else _except_ the introduction of the comment? I have someone telling me that it was used in early 4.4 to introduce the "include", I'm very skeptical about this, and I'd like anyone who can tell me for certain to let me know, thanks. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 16:33:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10805 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 16:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10746 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 16:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fiber@phy.iitkgp.ernet.in) Received: from milan.doe.ernet.in (milan.doe.ernet.in [202.41.99.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14501 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 16:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iitkgp.ernet.in by milan.doe.ernet.in (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26408; Sat, 9 May 98 04:50:24+050 Received: from phy.iitkgp.ernet.in by iitkgp.ernet.in (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id FAA15569; Sat, 9 May 1998 05:01:48 +0530 Message-Id: <3553963E.F2C5DE6@phy.iitkgp.ernet.in> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 05:03:18 +0530 From: Sanjit Roy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: how safe is FreeBSD 2.2.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I need some advise regarding the security level in FreeBSD. Lately, a lot of students in my university campus have been into hacking activity. I have a Linux (kernel 1.2.8) system on one of my mail gateways and it's a piece of cake becoming 'root' on that machine. I immediately need to upgrade that to either REDHAT Linux 5.0 or FreeBSD 2.2.5. I have both the flavours of unix available with me. What I want to know is : 1. which of the two is more secure? 2. Is shadow util really effective in Linux. Don't know if there's one in FreeBSD? 3. what do i have to do/install to make my system secure i.e, what are the available patches and where do i get them? Hoping to hear from you soon. Sanjit. fiber@phy.iitkgp.ernet.in To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 17:09:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17325 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet14.ozemail.com.au (oznet14.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17078; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:07:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from horizonti.com ([203.33.128.245]) by oznet14.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA19811; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:07:26 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35539DE9.4DA554BA@horizonti.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 10:06:02 +1000 From: Joe Shevland Organization: Horizon Technologies International X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer CC: "John S. Dyson" , marc@bowtie.nl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer wrote: > > I'm just saying that you should be told who IS saying it so that you can > call them and ask them to stop SAYING it.. > [snip] I did try and respond to this message, unfortunately it bounced. John was quite correct in saying I was talking about one particular product, which was the NC-In-A-Box package. I didn't realise there was too much more development going on apart from this and the solaris version. Its still true what I've said, as far as I know, they will discontinue FBSD on this product ^ (which involved an NEC server). The NT version is in beta and will be released to certain people later this month (?). However, thanks to John for clarifying matters. Hopefully I've clarified my statements also. -- Joe Shevland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 17:19:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19541 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pyrl.eye (ppp-041.isl.net [199.3.25.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19435 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:19:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ortmann@sparc.isl.net) Received: (from ortmann@localhost) by pyrl.eye (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28781; Fri, 8 May 1998 19:18:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ortmann) From: Daniel Ortmann Message-Id: <199805090018.TAA28781@pyrl.eye> Subject: Re: an interesting problem with pkg_add In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at "May 5, 98 10:13:14 am" To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:18:50 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Here you go: I ran the following: ... > As i write this, there is an rm -r running on /. I am losing my system. > I'm going to let it go because it got too far before I caught it, the > following clued me in: ... > Eating all of one's hard disk is hardly a good thing. Guess I'll run > linux on this machine for a while, til i get over the shock. It's an anti-Linux AI-based security feature ... FreeBSD *remembers* that you used to run Linux and is carrying a grudge. :-) -- Daniel Ortmann 507.288.7732 (h) ortmann@isl.net 2414 30 av NW, #D 507.253.6795 (w) ortmann@vnet.ibm.com Rochester, MN 55901 "PERL: The Swiss Army Chainsaw" "The answers are so simple and we all know where to look, but it's easier just to avoid the question." -- Kansas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 17:25:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20663 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:25:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA20391 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:24:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yXx1D-0001aP-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 16:57:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: Terry Lambert , beng@lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network problem with 2.2.6-STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id RAA20405 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 8 May 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan [iso-8859-1] Smørgrav wrote: > Tom writes: > > On Thu, 7 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Root is limited by login.conf, just like everyone else. > > No, root is not limited by login.conf. > > Yes, root *is* limited by login.conf. Excerpt from the login.conf(5) > man page: > > A special record "default" in the system user class capability database > /etc/login.conf is used automatically for any non-root user without a > valid login class in /etc/master.passwd. A user with a uid of 0 without a > valid login class will use the record "root" if it exists, or "default" > if not. That say that limits for the class called "root" are used for the user called "root". It doesn't actually say that those limits are enforced or not. root owned processes will not be killed for exceeding hard limits (unless your process hits the system-wide maximum, for resources that have them). > -- > Noone else has a .sig like this one. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 17:33:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21584 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21575 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:33:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14631 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yXx8D-0001am-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:04:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:04:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Sanjit Roy cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: how safe is FreeBSD 2.2.5 In-Reply-To: <3553963E.F2C5DE6@phy.iitkgp.ernet.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 9 May 1998, Sanjit Roy wrote: > I need some advise regarding the security level in FreeBSD. Lately, a > lot of students in my university campus have been into hacking activity. > I have a Linux (kernel 1.2.8) system on one of my mail gateways and it's Security problems on Linux (and all Unix distributions) normally have more to do with the version of the user mode stuff, rather than the kernel. Unfortunately, Linux versions everything separately, so "Linux 1.2.8" is meaningless. > a piece of cake becoming 'root' on that machine. I immediately need to > upgrade that to either REDHAT Linux 5.0 or FreeBSD 2.2.5. I have both > the flavours of unix available with me. > > What I want to know is : > > 1. which of the two is more secure? I don't know. There are a lot of updates on www.redhat.com for 5.0. FreeBSD 2.2.5 is obsolete and has been replaced by 2.2.6. Rehat 5.0+updates should be equivelant to FreeBSD 2.2.6+updates > 2. Is shadow util really effective in Linux. Don't know if there's one > in FreeBSD? FreeBSD automatically shadows the password file. In fact there is no option to run without. The nice part is that it is transparent to applications. > 3. what do i have to do/install to make my system secure i.e, what are > the available patches and where do i get them? Install 2.2.6 instead of 2.2.5. Check patches directory for last minute changes. Making your system is more about what you don't install (or deinstall) rather than what you install. Many people install other software that allows easy breakins, mainly due to misconfiguration. For example, the problem on your Linux mail gateway could just because you haven't updated Sendmail. Or, because you let other users even login into mail gateways (I setup all mail gateways as closed servers, dramatically improving security). > Hoping to hear from you soon. > Sanjit. > fiber@phy.iitkgp.ernet.in Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 19:16:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06935 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 19:16:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from miris.lcs.mit.edu (root@miris.lcs.mit.edu [18.111.0.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06919 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 19:16:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beng@miris.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from miris.lcs.mit.edu (beng@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by miris.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA11012; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805090216.WAA11012@miris.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Tim Baur cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3C905B In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 21:04:01 PDT." From: Benjamin Greenwald X-Sender: beng@lcs.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:16:03 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The reason the 3C905B doesn't work is because they dropped the old PIO interface in favor of a better DMA engine. The new vx driver I'm currently writing (and really hope to have something to show soon... work keeps getting in the way) won't use the programmed I/O interface at all. More than likely, the new driver will work beautifully for the B rev. The driver is being developed for the 3C905A that I own, so it won't take advantage of any of the fancier features like descriptor polling. Unless, of course, someone is willing to swap a B rev. card for by A rev. -Ben > On Thu, 7 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > I don't follow this at all. What are you trying to say here? > > Basically what Mike said.. alot of the computer dealer's here dont even > stock the 3C905A cards now, only the new 3C905B. Thus its hard to keep up > with the 3com cards and drivers to support them. So I was saying prehaps > it would be better to switch to a SMC or Intel Etherexpress. Which is what > I will probly end up doing :> > > -Tim > > On Thu, 7 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > The 3c905A is supported. The B and future revisions are currently not > > supported. There is believed to be ongoing development work on a > > driver for this adapter, but for now you would be advised to consider > > an alternative. > > > > -- > > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 20:45:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16505 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 20:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.iroe.fi.cnr.it (ns.iroe.fi.cnr.it [149.139.1.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA16495 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 20:45:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kcpq52@usa.net) From: kcpq52@usa.net Received: from 149.139.1.50 by ns.iroe.fi.cnr.it (8.6.10/200.1.1.4) id FAA15996; Sat, 9 May 1998 05:42:22 +0200 Message-Id: <199805090342.FAA15996@ns.iroe.fi.cnr.it> Date: Fri, 08 May 98 23:48:14 EST To: the_best_for_the_best@worldwideanywhere.com Subject: GRANDE OPORTUNIDADE DE NEGSCIO Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Por favor, leia ati o fim e dj a si prsprio a chance de realizar seu sonho de ser milionario, investindo apenas R$ 5.00 Nss da FSS INTERNATIONAL CORP., estabelecida na cidade de Delaware, nos Estados Unidos da Amirica, temos o maior prazer de convida-lo a participar de um negscio que mais de 2 milhues de pessoas no mundo ja fizeram, e hoje em dia podem dizer que pertencem ao clube dos milionarios. 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Num prazo maximo de trinta dias, vocj recebera uma lista com todos os programas disponmveis, para que escolha um deles e receba o mesmo via "download". Em relagco ao seu retorno financeiro , a expectativa i de que vocj venha a receber, nos prsximos trinta dias, algo em torno de R$ 15.625,00 ou mais (se vocj mandar para 6 nomes, por exemplo, e todos seguirem o mesmo procedimento, o valor sera de R$ 78.125,00). Tudo depende da solidez da rede de associados que vocj estara convidando a participar de seu negscio. Finalizando, gostarmamos que soubesse que este i um negscio totalmente seguro, pois tem sido feito em muitos pamses dentro da legalidade, respaldada numa operagco simples de compra e venda internacional. O sistema de network marketing representa o futuro da integragco global quando se trata de realizagco de negscios. BOA SORTE E PROSPERIDADE NESTA NOVA OPORTUNIDADE DE NEGSCIO ! 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Andrade - Banco: Itau----ag/0459---C/C:35537-6 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 21:42:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21222 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 21:42:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.kacst.edu.sa (ns1.kacst.edu.sa [198.77.88.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21190 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 21:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from onur@dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa) Received: from ns1.kfupm.edu.sa ([198.77.102.26]) by relay.kacst.edu.sa (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24681 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 07:34:41 -0300 (GMT) Received: from dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa ([196.15.32.8]) by ns1.kfupm.edu.sa (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA161334 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 07:31:40 +0300 Received: (from onur@localhost) by dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA74403 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 May 1998 07:39:00 +0300 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 07:39:00 +0300 From: TOKER ONUR Message-Id: <199805090439.HAA74403@dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How to get major device numbers ??? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello folks, If I know the name of the device (e.g. ed0), how can I get its major device number. Please don't write me to look at /dev directory because it is not there, although I am using ed0 for network access. Basically, a device node is not created for ed0 and I want to generate a /dev/ed0, but I need the major device number. Where is the mapping between device names and device numbers ? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 21:42:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21239 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 21:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.kacst.edu.sa (ns1.kacst.edu.sa [198.77.88.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21209 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 21:42:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from onur@ccse.kfupm.edu.sa) From: onur@ccse.kfupm.edu.sa Received: from ns1.kfupm.edu.sa ([198.77.102.26]) by relay.kacst.edu.sa (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24677 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 07:34:39 -0300 (GMT) Received: from dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa ([196.15.32.8]) by ns1.kfupm.edu.sa (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA89648 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 07:31:38 +0300 Received: from x (dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa [196.15.32.8]) by dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA59052 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 May 1998 07:33:42 +0300 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 07:33:42 +0300 Message-Id: <199805090433.HAA59052@dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa> Subject: How to get major device numbers ??? To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello folks, If I know the name of the device (e.g. ed0), how can I get its major device number. Please don't write me to look at /dev directory because it is not there, although I am using ed0 for network access. Basically, a device node is not created for ed0 and I want to generate a /dev/ed0, but I need the major device number. Where is the mapping between device names and device numbers ? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 22:09:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23658 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:09:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from asteroid.svib.ru (root@asteroid.svib.ru [195.151.166.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23646 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:08:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (shuttle.svib.ru [195.151.166.144]) by asteroid.svib.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05809 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:08:30 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (minas-tirith.pol.ru [127.0.0.1]) by minas-tirith.pol.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA22556 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:08:08 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Message-Id: <199805090508.JAA22556@minas-tirith.pol.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: Interbase and FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 09:08:07 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I'm not sure it belongs here... but did anyone tried Interbase for Linux on FreeBSD? And did anyone asked them about Interbase for FreeBSD? Alex. -- Alexander B. Povolotsky [2:5020/145] [http://freebsd.svib.ru] [tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 22:16:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25007 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aaka.3skel.com (aaka.3skel.com [207.240.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24958 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:16:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danj@3skel.com) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by aaka.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id BAA05720; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (danj@localhost) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id BAA26037; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 01:16:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Janowski To: Daryn Kiely cc: "'freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Coding question In-Reply-To: <01BD79FD.50151E50.kielyd@cadvision.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brain rusty, didn't read your code, read uipc_socket.c: It seems that a write to a socket with the remote end closed will generate a SIGPIPE. Did you run this thing with gdb? It will tell you about signals that your program doesn't catch. Dan On Thu, 7 May 1998, Daryn Kiely wrote: > Hi there, > > I am currently working on a sockets program (using TCP connections) which > has both a client and server. I am finding that when the server closes the > connection and a client attempts to do a write() the program is exiting > (never returns from the write). Now I was actually expecting the client > process to receive a -1 when attempting to write to a closed socket. Has > anyone else experienced this problem, or does anyone have any suggestions > as to how I can get around it? > > TIA > Daryn > > > ----------------- Code snippets -------------------------- > > void RunProcess() > > { > int fdServer, iNumChars, iStatus, iLength; > char temp[1000], *pOutput; > int iReturnValue; > > signal(SIGINT,SignalHandler); > > while (!g_iDone) { > /* must read the server name and socket name from config file */ > fdServer = ConnectToServer("daryn","smtp"); > if (fdServer < 0) { /* Failed to connect to the server */ > LogPrintf(SEV_FAIL," Failed > connecting to server [%d]\n",errno); > sleep(10); > /* Make this sleep configurable */ > continue; > } > g_iConnected = 1; > > while (g_iConnected && !g_iDone) { > iNumChars = ReadFromSocket(fdServer,temp,1000, 10); > temp[iNumChars] = '\0'; > LogPrintf(SEV_DEBUG,"%s\n",temp); > pOutput = BuildPacket(&iLength); > if (WriteToSocket(fdServer,pOutput,iLength) != > iLength) { > LogPrintf(SEV_WARN,"Failed writing to > socket, attempting to reconnect [%d]\n",errno); > g_iConnected = 0; > } > } > CloseSocket(fdServer); > } > } > > size_t WriteToSocket(int fdSocket, const void *buffer, size_t iLength) > > { > int iReturnValue; > fprintf(stderr,"5.0\n"); > iReturnValue = write(fdSocket, buffer,iLength); > fprintf(stderr,"5.1, return value = [%d]\n", iReturnValue); > return(iReturnValue); > } > > I see the 5.0 line of output but never see the "5.1". > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- danj@3skel.com Dan Janowski Triskelion Systems, Inc. Bronx, NY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 22:42:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27794 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (perlsta@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27722 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:41:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perlsta@fang.cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from localhost (perlsta@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26341; Sat, 9 May 1998 00:43:36 GMT Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 00:43:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Alex Povolotsky cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Interbase and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199805090508.JAA22556@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG yes, there was a long discussion on the list recently, i wasn't really reading it, you might want to search the mailing lists. -Alfred On Sat, 9 May 1998, Alex Povolotsky wrote: > Hello! > > I'm not sure it belongs here... but did anyone tried Interbase for Linux on > FreeBSD? And did anyone asked them about Interbase for FreeBSD? > > Alex. > -- > Alexander B. Povolotsky > [2:5020/145] [http://freebsd.svib.ru] [tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru] > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 22:42:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27906 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from voland.freenet.bishkek.su (root@voland.freenet.bishkek.su [193.125.230.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27863 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:42:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fygrave@freenet.bishkek.su) Received: from freenet.bishkek.su (fygrave@freenet.bishkek.su [193.125.230.1]) by voland.freenet.bishkek.su (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14591; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:45:38 +0600 Received: from localhost (fygrave@localhost) by freenet.bishkek.su (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA16361; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:57:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:57:18 -0500 (GMT+5) From: CyberPsychotic To: brian mitchell cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: bpf In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-copyright: The content of this message is intellectual property of its author. So are all mistakes. X-lummer: Bill Gates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Use bpf, it is the same as sock packet, except it does not suck nearly as > much. > yeah. That's what i need. but i got stuck abit with using bpf. I looked to the manual page for bpf. Some things confused me there aliltle. Would you mind clarifying it abit: +++ from manual page for bpf +++ The packet filter appears as a character special device, /dev/bpf0, /dev/bpf1, etc. After opening the device, the file descriptor must be bound to a specific network interface with the BIOCSETIF ioctl. A given interface can be shared be multiple listeners, and the filter underlying each descriptor will see an identical packet stream. The total number of open files is limited to the value given in the kernel co +++ end of quote +++ could you please give the sample of BIOCSETIF ioctl call? I think i should ivolve some particular structure or something here, but i checked manual and didn't find any reference (like in Linux i used : strcpy(ifr.ifr_name, interface); if (ioctl(s, SIOCGIFFLAGS, &ifr) < 0) { perror("ioctl(SIOCGIFFLAGS)"); return 1; } ) would appreciate any sample code or hints,... Thanks beforehands Fyodor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 22:43:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28041 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:43:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27987; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA25965; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:13:24 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980509151324.U12200@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:13:24 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: TOKER ONUR , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: How to get major device numbers ??? References: <199805090439.HAA74403@dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805090439.HAA74403@dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa>; from TOKER ONUR on Sat, May 09, 1998 at 07:39:00AM +0300 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 X-Mutt-References: <199805090439.HAA74403@dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 9 May 1998 at 7:33:42 +0300, onur@ccse.kfupm.edu.sa wrote: On Sat, 9 May 1998 at 7:39:00 +0300, TOKER ONUR wrote: On Sat, 9 May 1998 at 8:20:57 +0300, TOKER ONUR wrote: Please only send one message. > If I know the name of the device (e.g. ed0), how can I get its > major device number. Please don't write me to look at /dev directory > because it is not there, although I am using ed0 for network access. > Basically, a device node is not created for ed0 and I want to generate > a /dev/ed0, but I need the major device number. > > Where is the mapping between device names and device numbers ? Network interfaces don't use major device numbers. That's why there is no entry in /dev, and why you can't create one. Why do you want one? To access the network interfaces programmatically, use the socket interface. You might like to look at how ifconfig does it. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 23:28:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02512 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:28:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02498 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:28:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA26104; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:57:52 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980509155752.V12200@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:57:52 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Hans Huebner Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD HA configuration / Ethernet address takeover References: <19980429111546.54200@papillon.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Hans Huebner on Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 01:02:32PM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 29 April 1998 at 13:02:32 +0200, Hans Huebner wrote: > On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> A big difference between the environment you're considering and the >> Tandem environment is that the Tandem environments are logically a >> single system which doesn't fail, whereas you're looking at separate >> systems, one of which may fail. A significant problem is to determine >> when the primary machine fails (what, you don't get a reply from the >> machine? Maybe *your* Ethernet board has failed). This problem has >> caused Tandem headaches for decades, and I'm not going to discuss it >> in this message. > > I was suggesting this approach while I had the OpenVision Axxion HA > approach in mind. Axxion HA is a HA system for Solaris, and it works with > Ethernet address takeover and dual-ported FC/AL disks. Clients see a > Axxion HA pair as two seperate physical machines and one 'logical' machine > which is run on either hosts of the pair. Services are normally accessed > at the 'logical' machine, but clients are free to use the 'physical' > systems if they feel the need to do so. > > Axxion HA reserves one physical ethernet port for interconnection between > the two CPUs in a HA pair. This private ethernet is normally implemented > with a crossed TP cable, and the HA monitoring software sends > alive-messages through this interface. If one system detects that the > other does no longer send alive messages, it first checks whether the > public ethernet of the other still responds before taking over the > public services. > > The disks in an Axxion HA configuration are dual-ported, but each disk is > accessed only by one host at a time. The dual-porting is used solely to > minimize the time a failover from one machine to the other takes. > > There are situations, of course, where such an approach fails, but a HA > solution is not what Tandem offers (100% availability). In fact, this is very close to Tandem's approach. The original (T/16) architecture broadcast "I'm alive" messages across two separate busses every 1.2 seconds, and would consider another system down if it missed two consecutive messages over both busses. There were times, though, when this could happen, typically due to mechanical problems where the busses became inaccessible. The results for the shared disks were devastating. But yes, most of the time things work fine. > A HA configuration can help nevertheless when one needs to perform > system upgrades, reliable level 0 dumps or other work on a system > which runs services users depend on. >> 1. Reliable Ethernet > >> [...] > >> In the case of a board which can't change its MAC address, the >> alternative of assuming its IP address and sending a couple of >> pings to the broadcast address sounds like a good workaround. >> Certainly it will normalize things faster than waiting for the >> application layer to try an alternative IP. > > This does not work with an IP alias address unless special configuration > measures are met. In fact, this is our primary problem, since we run our > name service on a IP-adress which is an alias on the host our name server > runs on. Interesting problem. I will have to think about that one. >> What makes more sense is to replicate the data across multiple >> systems. Possibly a software layer like the vinum volume manager >> would be able to perform this function: put one copy of the data >> on the local machine, another on one or two other machines via NFS >> or some other protocol, and always read from the local machine. >> As long as the write rate is not too high, this should allow for >> higher availability. > > If there is such a thing for FreeBSD, i want it ;) I was thinking of addressing it if I ever get vinum finished :-( Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 8 23:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04648 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (a07m.cet.co.jp [202.32.65.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04637 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00472; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805090549.WAA00472@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tony Overfield cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 08 May 1998 00:59:47 CDT." <3.0.3.32.19980508005947.006ba3b4@bugs.us.dell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:49:33 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It doesn't matter anyway, because adding PnP BIOS support should not > cause systems without PnP BIOS to break. Exactly. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 01:31:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA12772 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ceia.nordier.com (slip139-92-122-77.joh.za.ibm.net [139.92.122.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA12761 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:31:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rnordier@iafrica.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id KAA04497; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:23:24 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199805090823.KAA04497@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Re: Make In-Reply-To: from Chuck Robey at "May 8, 98 05:37:19 pm" To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:23:23 +0200 (SAT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chuck Robey wrote: > Anybody know if BSD4.4 make has, at any time, used the "#" symbol for > anything else _except_ the introduction of the comment? I have someone > telling me that it was used in early 4.4 to introduce the "include", I'm > very skeptical about this, and I'd like anyone who can tell me for > certain to let me know, thanks. This was true of earlier versions of make (originally PMake), which supported cpp-like #if, #undef, #include, etc. directives. You can still find some traces in the source. For example, in parse.c, Parse_File(), see the logic preceding the lines if (*line == '#') { /* If we're this far, the line must be a comment. */ goto nextLine; } Incidentally, /usr/share/doc/psd/12.make documents the '#' rather than the '.' forms. -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 01:57:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15960 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:57:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15954 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA04672 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.Alameda.net(207.90.181.2) via SMTP by DNS.Lamb.net, id smtpd004670; Sat May 9 01:57:58 1998 Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.6/8.7.6) id BAA23855 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199805090857.BAA23855@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Subject: I am ready to give: How do I tell the kernel I have devices ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 01:57:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have read through all kind of kernel source code, specific through SCSI drivers, wd.c and sd.c. I do not see it. Could someone point me at some document or write a little list of what steps are involved ? Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 02:31:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19694 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:31:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19676; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:31:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12651; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd012639; Sat May 9 02:30:57 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA26127; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:30:52 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805090930.CAA26127@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Oracle 7 on FreeBSD To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:30:51 +0000 (GMT) Cc: julian@whistle.com, joe.shevland@horizonti.com, marc@bowtie.nl, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805080109.UAA13025@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at May 7, 98 08:09:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I've just spoken to some of the parties involved with the NCI > > > NC's down here in regard to Oracle 7 and FreeBSD. Now, going by > > > what I was just told, FreeBSD _is_ definitely being discontinued 8( > > > > maybe you need to let john know the names of the people who > > told you that as He's doing it and no-one has told him to stop > > yet.. > > There is a group of people working on *BSD in general. FreeBSD is > not dead here, and there is little that is showing that it is. There > are other products, but they don't affect the use of BSD. Given the diametric opposition between Larry Ellison and Bill Gates, I would be damned surprised if any group in Oracle at all was pinning its hopes of success to a Microsoft provided platform. It's pretty obvious that doing so would give Microsoft the lever they need to pry, byy way of gratuitous incompatability, more and more Oracle users away from Oracle products to Microsoft products. It would be tantamount to Sun announcing that they were only supporting JAVA on WIN32. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 02:31:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19705 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19683 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA16568; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd016564; Sat May 9 09:27:53 1998 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 02:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Ulf Zimmermann cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I am ready to give: How do I tell the kernel I have devices ? In-Reply-To: <199805090857.BAA23855@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG what kind of device? try the SYSINIT macro you see in each driver, combined with the config file.. what do you mean by: "tell the kernel I have a device"? that it has a devsw entry? that it should probe an address? that the PCI code should know about it? On Sat, 9 May 1998, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > I have read through all kind of kernel source code, specific through > SCSI drivers, wd.c and sd.c. I do not see it. Could someone point me > at some document or write a little list of what steps are involved ? > > Ulf. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 > Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 02:48:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21404 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:48:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21399 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:48:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28685; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:48:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd028661; Sat May 9 02:48:32 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA26803; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:48:31 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805090948.CAA26803@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:48:31 +0000 (GMT) Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, tlambert@primenet.com, kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 8, 98 11:06:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I've never even *owned* a IDE disk, let alone used one on my system so I > > cannot comment on what this might do with DLT drives. > > Well, IDE is automatically not using the SCSI bus, so there is no > problem there. So if they are reasonable drives, it should work. I get > about 5MB/s filesystem performance, which isn't great, but more than > enough to keep a DLT4000 busy. The potential problem there is that it's using the IDE bus. In general, I do not own IDE hardware, and I do not have the problems you are seeing. Neither does anyone else who doesn't own IDE hardware. The real question here is whether or not you can eliminate the IDE as a cause of the problem. I *know* that John has done a lot of work on the IDE driver; much of this work is in -current, not -stable, and I doubt it has been seriously tested with all possible hardware. Can you copy the disk to a SCSI drive (with TAR, if you insist), and try the dump/restore from there? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 02:56:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22144 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:56:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA22137 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:56:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00261 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:56:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd000250; Sat May 9 02:56:29 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA26985 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 May 1998 02:56:29 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805090956.CAA26985@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: AD: Award Winning and FREE HR software To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:56:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > HRtrack Professional Information System. HR, HRIS Software. > > You can download this free 30 day trial of HRtrack Professional human > resource software and receive FOR FREE, a copy of HRtrack "Customer > Database and Personal Contact Information" software. > > This program is yours to keep just for visiting our web page and downloading > the 30 day trial version of our Human Resource Software, HRtrack > Professional from http://www.hrtrack2.com Did anyone else look at this as a golden opportunity to request a port to FreeBSD? 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 03:01:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22640 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22634 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:01:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA16163; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:01:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd016158; Sat May 9 03:01:00 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA27195; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:01:00 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805091001.DAA27195@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: bpf To: fygrave@freenet.bishkek.su (CyberPsychotic) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:01:00 +0000 (GMT) Cc: brian@deity.loa.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "CyberPsychotic" at May 9, 98 10:57:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > could you please give the sample of BIOCSETIF ioctl call? I think i should > ivolve some particular structure or something here, but i checked manual > and didn't find any reference If someone answers this with something other than "look at the CAP code" or "look at some other code", it would be nice if the the man page were updated to provide the same information. Meanwhile, look at the CAP code. 8-|. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 03:11:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA23842 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA23835 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:11:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA17531 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17259; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd017253; Sat May 9 03:11:06 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA27614; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:11:06 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805091011.DAA27614@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: how safe is FreeBSD 2.2.5 To: fiber@phy.iitkgp.ernet.in (Sanjit Roy) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:11:06 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <3553963E.F2C5DE6@phy.iitkgp.ernet.in> from "Sanjit Roy" at May 9, 98 05:03:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I need some advise regarding the security level in FreeBSD. Lately, a > lot of students in my university campus have been into hacking activity. > I have a Linux (kernel 1.2.8) system on one of my mail gateways and it's > a piece of cake becoming 'root' on that machine. I immediately need to > upgrade that to either REDHAT Linux 5.0 or FreeBSD 2.2.5. I have both > the flavours of unix available with me. > > What I want to know is : > > 1. which of the two is more secure? Neither one has undergone a full commercial audit. Various FreeBSD derivative have been audited, and have shown high marks, but they have been running "jailed" software, such as "smtpd/smtfwdd" on externally accessable SMTP ports, etc.. In general, if you can show a FreeBSD system being exploited, the people on this list will be happy to help track down and fix the problem, and to help you issue a CERT advisory. The short answer is "both are as secure as the effort you are willing to put in following an incident to resecure them". > 2. Is shadow util really effective in Linux. Don't know if there's one > in FreeBSD? FreeBSD runs shadow passwords at all times. There is no way to disable this. For a mail server, which does not require that the users of the server actually have UNIX accounts (especially if it is configered correctly; you should look into running the Cyrus IMAP4/POP3 servers on your box), password file exploits are the least of your worries. More likely you are going to get someone attempting a buffer overrun attack against a network daemon. The less daemons you run, the less vulnerable to attack you will be, statistically. In general, you should dedicate boxes like mail servers, and not run any other daemons on them. This is mostly a configuration issue than a specific OS issue. > 3. what do i have to do/install to make my system secure i.e, what are > the available patches and where do i get them? By default, the most recent release is normally without *known* exploits. When unknown exploits surface, they are maintained on the -stable branch matching the release. If, for example, an exploit were found against 2.2.6 (the most recent FreeBSD release), then the patches would be made available in the 2.2.6-stable branch. There are many ways to get this code; the easiest is to use cvsup to keep an up-to-date snapshot of the archive, and to set up a list monitoring procmail for the BSD lists that traps "CERT Advisory" and one for the -stable commit list that traps "security" and "CERT". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 03:21:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25219 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25214 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:21:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no (skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.2]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id MAA04031; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:21:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no ; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:21:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ulf Zimmermann Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I am ready to give: How do I tell the kernel I have devices ? References: <199805090857.BAA23855@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 09 May 1998 12:21:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: Ulf Zimmermann's message of "Sat, 9 May 1998 01:57:48 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ulf Zimmermann writes: > I have read through all kind of kernel source code, specific through > SCSI drivers, wd.c and sd.c. I do not see it. Could someone point me > at some document or write a little list of what steps are involved ? Take a look in /usr/share/examples/drivers. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 03:38:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26985 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:38:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26978 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:38:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no (skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.2]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id MAA04985; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:37:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no ; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:37:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: fygrave@freenet.bishkek.su (CyberPsychotic), brian@deity.loa.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bpf References: <199805091001.DAA27195@usr06.primenet.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 09 May 1998 12:37:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert's message of "Sat, 9 May 1998 10:01:00 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 46 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert writes: > > could you please give the sample of BIOCSETIF ioctl call? I think i should > > ivolve some particular structure or something here, but i checked manual > > and didn't find any reference > Meanwhile, look at the CAP code. 8-|. Hmmm... OK, basically you want to do something like this to capture packets: char bpf_dev[IFNAMSIZ], *buf; struct ifreq ifr; int n = 0, fd, len; /* Find an available BPF device */ do { sprintf(bpf_dev, "/dev/bpf%d", n++); fd = open(bpf_dev, O_RDONLY); } while (errno == EBUSY); if (fd < 0) /* it didn't work! */; /* Get buffer length */ if (ioctl(fd, BIOCGBLEN, &len) < 0) /* ouch */; if (!(buf = malloc(len))) /* ouch! */; /* Set interface to ep0 */ bzero(&ifr, sizeof(struct ifreq)); strcpy(ifr.ifr_name, "ep0"); if (ioctl(fd, BIOCSETIF, &ifr) < 0) /* ouch! */; /* Set immediate mode */ n = 1; if (ioctl(fd, BIOCIMMEDIATE, &n) < 0) /* ouch! */; /* Read packets */ while (1) { read(fd, buf, len); /* do something nifty with them */ } -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 05:56:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10684 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 05:56:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10668 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 05:55:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29792; Sat, 9 May 1998 14:55:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id MAA01446; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:37:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:37:21 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Bill Paul Cc: cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Eivind Eklund Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver Mail-Followup-To: Bill Paul , cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Eivind Eklund References: <19980505165604.36955@follo.net> <199805051527.LAA29903@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199805051527.LAA29903@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu>; from Bill Paul on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:27:52AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-05-05 11:27 -0400, Bill Paul wrote: > The Prosignia server I have uses an NCR SCSI card in one of its PCI > slots. Dmesg says: > > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0:0 > vga0 rev 0 on pci0:11:0 > ncr0 rev 4 int a irq 5 on pci0:12:0 > (ncr0:0:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled(ncr0:0:0): 10.0 MB/s (200 ns, offset 15) > (ncr0:0:0): "COMPAQ WDE4360W 1.52" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 > sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access > sd0(ncr0:0:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled > sd0(ncr0:0:0): 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) > 4094MB (8386000 512 byte sectors) > tlc0 rev 16 int a irq 9 on pci0:16:0 > tlc0: Ethernet address: 00:80:5f:7d:fb:b7 > tl0 at tlc0 physical interface 1 > tl0: 10/100Mbps full duplex autonegotiating > tl0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mb/s) > chip1 rev 1 on pci0:20:0 > chip2 rev 0 on pci0:20:1 I've got some other Compaq machine at work which can't be installed over the network currently for lack of a NetFlex / ThunderLan driver. When are you going to commit the driver ? > One thing I have noticed about the NCR SCSI subsystem though. While I > was working on the driver I used a debugging kernel built using config -g. > This results in a large kernel image because of all the debug symbols; > typically the image was 9MB or so. (Of course used strip -d to make a > second image to actually boot from; the debug image is just for gdb.) > When time came to link the image, this naturally resulted in a lot of > disk activity, however I noticed that during this time, there seemed > to be a delay when trying to initiate disk I/O in another process. > That is, if I switched to another terminal and tried to do an 'ls -l' > on some directory (which hadn't been cached yet) while the kernel was > linking, the 'ls' command would hang there for a second or so until > the disk activity from the linker process died down. In other words, it > seems as though one I/O bound process can sort of monopolize the SCSI > bus. This could easily be SOP, but I hadn't noticed behavior like this > with other hardware before. Hmmm, that should not depend on the driver, actually. A simple test should be a "dd" to /dev/null from both /dev/rsd0c and /dev/sd0c and to measure the impact on the simultanous "ls -l". Then you should copy a large amount of data (/dev/zero :) into a file in the same partition were you perform the ls, and to another disk drive, if possible. The results of these tests should point out the effect of the buffer cache vs. raw accesses to the device, and of the driver vs. the drive (impact of large transfer to one drive on another drive ...) There has been quite some discussion of delays caused by the elevator algorithm in pathological cases, one or two years ago. (IIRC, writing huge amounts of data to a new file system could block other processes.) Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 05:56:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10768 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 05:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10746 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 05:56:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29798; Sat, 9 May 1998 14:55:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id MAA00549; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:17:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:17:44 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Dan Janowski Cc: Chris Dillon , Eivind Eklund , Bill Paul , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver Mail-Followup-To: Dan Janowski , Chris Dillon , Eivind Eklund , Bill Paul , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980505165604.36955@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Dan Janowski on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 10:56:42PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-05-05 22:56 -0400, Dan Janowski wrote: > > On a related by different note, just today I've been trying > to get a Compaq with the AMD SCSI/Lance chip working. I've > got 2.2.6, the SCSI is fine, the PCI lance lnc1 is probing ok. > When I ifconfig it I get the 'Initialisation failed' message. > I looked in the archives, the latest comments coming from jkh, > so I didn't do the thing setting the port addrs and irqs of the > ISA driver. > > What am I missing? Please send a verbose boot message log and a "script" of your attempts to ifconfig the chip ... Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 05:56:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10811 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 05:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10753; Sat, 9 May 1998 05:56:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29803; Sat, 9 May 1998 14:55:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id MAA00537; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:14:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:14:42 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Chris Dillon , "Viren R. Shah" Cc: Eivind Eklund , Bill Paul , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver Mail-Followup-To: Chris Dillon , "Viren R. Shah" , Eivind Eklund , Bill Paul , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser References: <199805061303.JAA05475@fault.rstcorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Dillon on Wed, May 06, 1998 at 01:18:30PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-05-06 13:18 -0500, Chris Dillon wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 1998, Viren R. Shah wrote: > > > >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Dillon writes: > > > > Chris> to get that to work.. Mind sharing those patches? :-) I have the onboard > > Chris> SCSI and possibly a "Compaq WIDE SCSI" controller I would like to get to > > > > Is this a Compaq RAID controller? If so, try the driver at: > > http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~md/ > > No. Now that I'm at work, i can more specifically say that it is the > "32-Bit Fast-Wide SCSI2/E Controller", which uses the NCR53c825 and a > Motorola chip of some kind. A closer look at the embedded chips show that > the SCSI controller is a NCR53c710, and the Ethernet is the AMD PCNet-32. > They are not a combo as I once thought for some reason. The Ethernet chip should be supported by the Lance driver. In order to support the ncr53c710, changes are required in the NCR driver, which did not seem to make sense several years ago, and seems to do much less so, today ... (Sorry) Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 08:05:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21653 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 08:05:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (root@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21642; Sat, 9 May 1998 08:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA12131; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:05:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:05:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: Stefan Esser cc: "Viren R. Shah" , Eivind Eklund , Bill Paul , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver In-Reply-To: <19980509121442.51507@mi.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 9 May 1998, Stefan Esser wrote: > > No. Now that I'm at work, i can more specifically say that it is the > > "32-Bit Fast-Wide SCSI2/E Controller", which uses the NCR53c825 and a > > Motorola chip of some kind. A closer look at the embedded chips show that > > the SCSI controller is a NCR53c710, and the Ethernet is the AMD PCNet-32. > > They are not a combo as I once thought for some reason. > > The Ethernet chip should be supported by the Lance driver. > > In order to support the ncr53c710, changes are required in > the NCR driver, which did not seem to make sense several > years ago, and seems to do much less so, today ... (Sorry) No problem.. I knew there was no support for the SCSI devices when I set the box up, so I threw in the appropriate Adaptec controller to begin with. :-) This thread really started because I mistakenly thought the ThunderLAN driver might work with another older Compaq NIC I have. I wasn't aware that is was solely for a newer breed of cards Compaq was using. -- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@inter-linc.net --- cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) (http://www.freebsd.org) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 10:42:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03776 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03769 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:42:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yYDE7-0002Zc-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:15:59 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) In-Reply-To: <199805090948.CAA26803@usr06.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 9 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > The potential problem there is that it's using the IDE bus. > > In general, I do not own IDE hardware, and I do not have the > problems you are seeing. > > Neither does anyone else who doesn't own IDE hardware. Really? I never did hear from mishania@demos.net (who is having the same problem) on what he is backing up from. I think he was doing SCSI disk to SCSI disk actually. > The real question here is whether or not you can eliminate the IDE > as a cause of the problem. The real question is why have you determined that the cause is IDE and forced me to disprove it? There is no evidence of file corruption or other damage that would occur if IDE is broken. The next real question, is if your really serious about debugging this problem, why you don't want to see the first few megs of one of these damaged dump archives? > I *know* that John has done a lot of work on the IDE driver; much > of this work is in -current, not -stable, and I doubt it has been > seriously tested with all possible hardware. I wish you could develop the ability to read PRs, and look up bin/4683 Many different versions of FreeBSD are affected. Also, the IDE drive is very solid. Thousands of FreeBSD users use IDE. John has been working on new functionality for wdc (UltraDMA mainly). > Can you copy the disk to a SCSI drive (with TAR, if you insist), > and try the dump/restore from there? I don't have 20 to 30GB of free SCSI disk space. Remember, this is a 32GB filesystem generally about 70 to 90% full. > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 10:53:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04952 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:53:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (a07m.cet.co.jp [202.32.65.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04943 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:53:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00836; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805090644.XAA00836@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Archie Cobbs , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 21:15:40 MDT." <199805080315.VAA12411@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 23:44:07 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (Sorry, I took a day to do some more interesting things.) > > > Current situation: > > > controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr > > > > > > What I'd like to be able to do: > > > controller card0 at generic flags 0x1 irq ? > > > > > > The 'at generic' stuff is open to discussion, but I need a way of saying > > > 'I *WANT* that IRQ, and you can't have it!" > > > > What you've just said is "I want to tell the driver to find its own > > IRQ". I don't think this is what you meant. > > No, what I said is what I want. IF you have a non-ISA device, you can't > tell FreeBSD that it has this IRQ. Duh. Like I don't know this? But you contradicted yourself when you said "I want to be able to say ... irq ?" where this is supposed to assign a given IRQ to the device. > > > Also, I'd like to see: > > > controller irqsink0 at generic irq 11 > > > controller irqsink1 at generic irq 13 > > > > > > For hardware that doesn't have any driver in FreeBSD so I can say > > > "*DON'T* use this IRQ, it's in use." > > > > Why create a (totally bogus) driver? > > Because FreeBSD doesn't (and won't) support all of the available > hardware. I'm trying to moving FreeBSD towards a more 'dynamic' system, > and I'm being fought the entire way. You have got to be kidding. Compile-time constants are not "dynamic" in any sense of the word. I'm not opposing you, on the contrary it's you opposing my suggestions. This whole discussion started when I suggested that it would be sensible to make use of the available resource-related information in order to require less static configuration information in the majority case. > > > Excpecting the users to know/understand each and every tweakable know is > > > ludicrous. By making the knob/hooks settable in the config file > > > (something they already know how to deal with, or will know how to deal > > > with) means it's *really* obvious which device they are messing with, so > > > the learning curve is much less. > > > > This is (IMO) bogus. Stuff set in the kernel configuration file is no > > easier to manipulate than sysctl variables. > > Sure it is. I know how things are setup in the kernel config files. I Ah, so "easier" means "easier for me". I think you'll find that most people consider an interactive configuration process a lot "easier" than having to install and build the kernel sources. If you're really concerned about this issue, there are better directions you could be channeling your effort in. > > You're more than welcome to veneer over the fact that the startup > > tunables are sysctl variables; sysctl is a parameter access method, not > > a user interface as you appear to have mistaken it for. > > Doing something different just because you think it's a good ida doesn't > make it a good idea. Duplicating functionality that already exists is > adding 'Yet Another Thing to learn', when it's booth un-necessary and > provices no additional functionality. My point exactly. Sysctl exists. It works. Don't duplicate something it does perfectly well because you don't like it. Again; sysctl is an access method, not a user interface. If you don't like the user interface, try griping about that instead. > At least with things like M$ registery settings, the average user is > never subjected to messing with it, but in our sysystem we invent new > ways to confuse the user and require him to have an even steeper > learning curve, because everyday we come up with something 'new' and > better than what we did, which is neither new nor better, just > different. Decaf, Nate. Decaf. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 11:00:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05922 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:00:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05916; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02209; Sat, 9 May 1998 20:00:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id PAA11462; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:21:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:21:37 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Stefan Bethke Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Stefan Esser Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Bethke , FreeBSD Hackers , Stefan Esser References: <326400.3103442037@d254.promo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <326400.3103442037@d254.promo.de>; from Stefan Bethke on Wed, May 06, 1998 at 11:13:57AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-05-06 11:13 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: > --On Die, 5. Mai 1998 23:47 Uhr +0200 "Stefan Esser" wrote: > > > > On 1998-05-05 11:37 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: > >> Btw., you might want to adjust the comments in sys/i386/isa/pcibus.c, > they > >> might prove to be somewhat misleading. > > > > Hmmm, what's wrong with the comments in that file ? > > Under which version of FreeBSD, BTW ? > > 1.27.2.1 (RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE, RELENG_2_2) says: > .. > /*----------------------------------------------------------------- > ** > ** The following functions are provided by the pci bios. > ** They are used only by the pci configuration. > ** > ** pcibus_setup(): > .. > > And from what I currently can see in that file, it doesn't do any BIOS > calls. I see ... Well, the comment is a little misleading, but not wrong, nonetheless ... :) In fact, the functions listed in that comment are really primitives provided by the PCI BIOS. The PCI code in 2.2 originates from a time, when the PCI BIOS could not be trusted, and since the PCI BIOS is a PC only thing (not defined for processors other than Intel x86, anyway), we just implemented those functions based on register accesses instead of BIOS calls. The PCI BIOS uses terrible parameter passing conventions, and although we have BIOS32 support in the kernel, I did not rewrite the low-level PCI code to take advantage of the BIOS, yet. Only two primitives should rely on the BIOS, anyway, IMHO: Testing for the PCI configuration mechanism to use, and the function that returns the highest PCI bus number that has to be probed. Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 11:01:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06107 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:01:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06091 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA20939; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:01:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA19915; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:01:29 -0600 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:01:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199805091801.MAA19915@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Archie Cobbs , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805090644.XAA00836@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805080315.VAA12411@mt.sri.com> <199805090644.XAA00836@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > This is (IMO) bogus. Stuff set in the kernel configuration file is no > > > easier to manipulate than sysctl variables. > > > > Sure it is. I know how things are setup in the kernel config files. I > > Ah, so "easier" means "easier for me". I think you'll find that most > people consider an interactive configuration process a lot "easier" > than having to install and build the kernel sources. Actually no. Most people are annoyed at the Linux 'interactive' process once they use the FreeBSD process. I can give you boatloads of email that shows this. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 11:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08584 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:19:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08578 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:19:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11364; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:18:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805091818.LAA11364@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Archie Cobbs , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 09 May 1998 12:01:29 MDT." <199805091801.MAA19915@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 11:18:52 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You can include me as one of the ones that hates the linux interactive process for generating a kernel and I am very glad that linux has this and their lilo bootloader is right on the top of my list for linux systems to must have 8) Amancio > > > > This is (IMO) bogus. Stuff set in the kernel configuration file is no > > > > easier to manipulate than sysctl variables. > > > > > > Sure it is. I know how things are setup in the kernel config files. I > > > > Ah, so "easier" means "easier for me". I think you'll find that most > > people consider an interactive configuration process a lot "easier" > > than having to install and build the kernel sources. > > Actually no. Most people are annoyed at the Linux 'interactive' process > once they use the FreeBSD process. > > I can give you boatloads of email that shows this. > > > Nate > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 11:40:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11088 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11078; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:40:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA08977; Sat, 9 May 1998 14:41:50 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199805091841.OAA08977@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver To: se@FreeBSD.ORG (Stefan Esser) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 14:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us, eivind@yes.no In-Reply-To: <19980509123721.29564@mi.uni-koeln.de> from "Stefan Esser" at May 9, 98 12:37:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Stefan Esser had to walk into mine and say: > On 1998-05-05 11:27 -0400, Bill Paul wrote: > > The Prosignia server I have uses an NCR SCSI card in one of its PCI > > slots. Dmesg says: > > > > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > > chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0:0 > > vga0 rev 0 on pci0:11:0 > > ncr0 rev 4 int a irq 5 on pci0:12:0 > > (ncr0:0:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled(ncr0:0:0): 10.0 MB/s (200 ns, offset 15) > > (ncr0:0:0): "COMPAQ WDE4360W 1.52" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 > > sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access > > sd0(ncr0:0:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled > > sd0(ncr0:0:0): 40.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 15) > > 4094MB (8386000 512 byte sectors) > > > tlc0 rev 16 int a irq 9 on pci0:16:0 > > tlc0: Ethernet address: 00:80:5f:7d:fb:b7 > > tl0 at tlc0 physical interface 1 > > tl0: 10/100Mbps full duplex autonegotiating > > tl0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mb/s) > > chip1 rev 1 on pci0:20:0 > > chip2 rev 0 on pci0:20:1 > > I've got some other Compaq machine at work which > can't be installed over the network currently for > lack of a NetFlex / ThunderLan driver. > > When are you going to commit the driver ? I'm trying to track down a bug in the receive list handling which is proving extremely elusive. The way I've written it, the chip DMAs received frames directly into the data areas of mbuf clusters. The problem with this is that you have to be very careful not to allow the chip to DMA into a cluster _after_ it's been freed. The way the ThunderLAN works, you give it a linked chain of 'list' structures which contain the physical addresses of the mbuf cluster buffers. Once a frame is received, the chip DMAs it into one of the clusters, then triggers a 'receive end of frame' interrupt to tell you it's complete. You can then hand the mbuf directly to ether_input(), but you also have to make sure to provide a new mbuf to the chip so that it doesn't somehow keep a reference to the cluster that was just used. Every once in a while, under conditions that I can't reliably reproduce, the chip DMAs to a buffer that's been put back on the free list. This corrupts its free list pointer and causes any subsequent cluster allocations off the free list to trigger a page fault (mcl_next points to garbage). The problem is that the page fault doesn't happen until well after the suspect cluster has been corrupted, so by the time the kernel panics the damage has already been done and much of the evidence has been destroyed. I've made several attempts to fix this but it keeps showing up. My latest driver version is on ftp.ctr.columbia.edu:/pub/misc/freebsd (thunderlan.tar.gz). I think the problem is in the way the 'end of receive channel' interrupts are being handled, but I'm having trouble reproducing the condition which makes testing difficult. I don't want to commit the code until I'm sure I've fixed this problem since it can crash the system without any warning and for no apparent reason. On the bright side, I have been able to test the code briefly with 3.0-current and it works as well as it does on 2.2.6 (except for the bug I just described). -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 14:59:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05433 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 14:59:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postman.opengroup.org (postman.opengroup.org [130.105.1.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05428 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 14:59:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from k.#athome#keithley@opengroup.org) Received: from kaleb.keithley.belmont.ma.us (horizon2.camb.opengroup.org [130.105.39.26]) by postman.opengroup.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA15873; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3554D3CF.FF6D5DF@opengroup.org> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 18:08:15 -0400 From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Reply-To: kaleb@opengroup.org Organization: The Open Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-980311-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hohndel@mail.DeuBa.COM CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Euro character Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have heard that the Final Committee Draft of Latin-9, FCD 8859-15, is ready to be voted on within ISO. (If it passes the vote then it'll be DIS 8859-15. I don't know how long it will take to attain full Standard status, i.e. ISO 8859-15.) Latin-9 is the same as Latin-1 with minor exceptions, one of them being the replacement of the generic Currency character at 0xA4 with the Euro character, and is intended to be used for all the languages that Latin-1 is currently used for. See http://www.isoc.org:8080/codage/iso8859/jeuxiso.en.htm (substitute jeuxiso.de.htm auf Deutche or jeuxisofr.htm en Francaise.) I have not heard about any changes to related standards, e.g. ISO 2022. -- Kaleb S. KEITHLEY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 15:07:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07344 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:07:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07289 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:06:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21458; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:06:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd021417; Sat May 9 15:06:42 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28038; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:06:40 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805092206.PAA28038@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:06:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 9, 98 10:15:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The real question here is whether or not you can eliminate the IDE > > as a cause of the problem. > > The real question is why have you determined that the cause is IDE and > forced me to disprove it? There is no evidence of file corruption or > other damage that would occur if IDE is broken. Because it works for me, but it doesn't work for you. Because the dump/restore software has not mysteriously mutated. Because IDE vs. SCSI is the most obvious difference in our configurations besides the tape drive, which you have already eliminated by using a disk file. > The next real question, is if your really serious about debugging this > problem, why you don't want to see the first few megs of one of these > damaged dump archives? I'd be happy to look at it if you put it up for FTP some place. My mailbox would not accept something that large, so putting it up for FTP is the only way you are going to be able to communicate it to me > > I *know* that John has done a lot of work on the IDE driver; much > > of this work is in -current, not -stable, and I doubt it has been > > seriously tested with all possible hardware. > > I wish you could develop the ability to read PRs, and look up bin/4683 > Many different versions of FreeBSD are affected. This is irrelevent. The relevent portion is my doubt that dump/restore has been tested with all possible hardware. What other software are you aware of that utilizes the raw disk device, such that you think your data path has been tested? > Also, the IDE drive is very solid. Thousands of FreeBSD users use > IDE. John has been working on new functionality for wdc (UltraDMA > mainly). Let's test this theory. Let's see, what would show a difference between your IDE and my SCSI? I know. Do you have dump/restore handy? 8-). > > Can you copy the disk to a SCSI drive (with TAR, if you insist), > > and try the dump/restore from there? > > I don't have 20 to 30GB of free SCSI disk space. Remember, this is a > 32GB filesystem generally about 70 to 90% full. But you claim that it repeats at a much smaller size. I believe you were claiming 4G. Do you have 4G of SCSI disk available? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 15:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10946 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:43:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10939 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28145; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:42:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd028133; Sat May 9 15:42:56 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03567; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:42:56 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805092242.PAA03567@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:42:56 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at May 7, 98 11:02:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > options "CMD640" > > > > > > That work around the known hardware bug in about 60% of all IDE > > controllers out there (by volume). > > The percentage is a bit high. It is been a while since I've seen any > of those around. > The controller on my motherboard is an Intel 82371SB. > Since it doesn't probe as a CMD640B, the 'options "CMD640B"' is a no-op > anyhow. Linux specifies a "SERIALIZE" option rather than a "CMD640B" option. They do this because the CMD640B is not the only buggy IDE controller. One or more of Intel's is buggy as well. Unfortuantely, it's not so easy to find the test program on www.intel.com any more. The specific macrocell is the one used in the RZ1000, which ships on Intel Motherboards (except those from their Server Products Division, which always has better hardware but for apparently political reasons is never allowed to ship it anywhere). Maybe someone should look at the linux/block/ide.c version 5.11 or better and see how they do their RZ1000 autodetection? In 5.27 and above, they should look at the external rz1000.c and cmd640.c. > Besides didn't this bug just hang the machine when both channels were > accessed at once. Occasionally. More often, it silently corrupted the data, in that the transfer was marked completed, but had actually been interrupted. This would easily account for your symptoms. > > He may also want to play with the flags on his controller; also from > > LINT: > > Already all off. One other thing that occurs to me, now that you have stated that you have a 82371SB (there are no notes on the Intel page for this part; are you sure you don't have a 82371AB?). This probably means you have a Triton chipset. These chipsets do not support more than 2 simultaneous contention requests for PCI bus masters. Since the Adaptec SCSI is a bus mastering device, if you are not running the IDE controller in PIO mode, if you have any other PCI master device (ie: some ethernet controllers), then this may also be your problem. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 16:10:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14048 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 16:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA13991 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 16:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yYIJd-0002kr-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:42:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:41:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) In-Reply-To: <199805092206.PAA28038@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 9 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > The real question here is whether or not you can eliminate the IDE > > > as a cause of the problem. > > > > The real question is why have you determined that the cause is IDE and > > forced me to disprove it? There is no evidence of file corruption or > > other damage that would occur if IDE is broken. > > Because it works for me, but it doesn't work for you. > > Because the dump/restore software has not mysteriously mutated. > > Because IDE vs. SCSI is the most obvious difference in our configurations > besides the tape drive, which you have already eliminated by using a > disk file. There are several other obvious differences: - 9GB filesystem (yours) vs 32GB filesystem (mine) - average file size is about 1.5GB (since I expect that you use your system for devel, not archiving, you'd be way under that) > > The next real question, is if your really serious about debugging this > > problem, why you don't want to see the first few megs of one of these > > damaged dump archives? > > I'd be happy to look at it if you put it up for FTP some place. I can't do that. > My mailbox would not accept something that large, so putting it up > for FTP is the only way you are going to be able to communicate it to me Since the first few megs are all headers, they would compress well, probably resulting in a less than 5MB attachment. I'm pretty sure primenet can handle that (even AOL accepts e-mail up to 3MB). > > > I *know* that John has done a lot of work on the IDE driver; much > > > of this work is in -current, not -stable, and I doubt it has been > > > seriously tested with all possible hardware. > > > > I wish you could develop the ability to read PRs, and look up bin/4683 > > Many different versions of FreeBSD are affected. > > This is irrelevent. The relevent portion is my doubt that dump/restore > has been tested with all possible hardware. > > What other software are you aware of that utilizes the raw disk > device, such that you think your data path has been tested? What about newfs, and fsck? > > Also, the IDE drive is very solid. Thousands of FreeBSD users use > > IDE. John has been working on new functionality for wdc (UltraDMA > > mainly). > > Let's test this theory. > > Let's see, what would show a difference between your IDE and my SCSI? I have other small IDE systems that work ok (1GB filesystem to 2GB DAT). The biggest difference between your system and mine, is that I'm using a 32GB filesystem. ... > > I don't have 20 to 30GB of free SCSI disk space. Remember, this is a > > 32GB filesystem generally about 70 to 90% full. > > But you claim that it repeats at a much smaller size. I believe you > were claiming 4G. Nope, never claimed that. I've never had less than 15GB of data on this filesystem at any one time. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 16:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14695 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 16:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA14682 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 16:20:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yYIVB-0002lE-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 15:53:57 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk, beng@lcs.mit.edu, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore problem (was: Network problem with 2.2.6-RELEASE) In-Reply-To: <199805092242.PAA03567@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 9 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Besides didn't this bug just hang the machine when both channels were > > accessed at once. > > > Occasionally. Never experienced a hang every. Since I'm always accessing both at once, I'd expect to see a hang once and a while. > More often, it silently corrupted the data, in that the transfer was > marked completed, but had actually been interrupted. > > This would easily account for your symptoms. But fsck shows no damage. I've been testing the filesystem daily just to prove this. Every evening, the filesystem gets gigs of data dumped on it, and then every morning I dismount it and fsck it. ... > One other thing that occurs to me, now that you have stated that > you have a 82371SB (there are no notes on the Intel page for this > part; are you sure you don't have a 82371AB?). This probably means > you have a Triton chipset. I'm quite sure about the part. It is in the dmesg output. This is a Triton II chipset (a ASUS P55T2P4S) > These chipsets do not support more than 2 simultaneous contention > requests for PCI bus masters. > > Since the Adaptec SCSI is a bus mastering device, if you are not > running the IDE controller in PIO mode, if you have any other PCI I can only operate the IDE controller in PIO mode, as the UltraDMA driver is only available for current. Besides, I don't believe the Triton II boards ever supported UltraDMA. > master device (ie: some ethernet controllers), then this may also be > your problem. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 18:41:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27569 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 18:41:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lamb.sas.com (root@lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27563 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 18:40:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22955 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA23852; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:40:52 -0400 From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199805100140.AA23852@mozart> Subject: exporting an MFS partion? Anyone? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:40:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I posted this to -questions, and I've received no responses, so I'm giving -hackers a try... :-) Approximately 2 months ago I posted a question concerning the inability of -current (the only version I run) to export an MFS mounted file system. In my case, from one -current machine to the next: bb01f01# mount_nfs bb01f40:/mfs /mnt bb01f01# ls /mnt ls: /mnt: Input/output error bb01f01# Could someone with the knowlege of how to export an MFS please post the info? Or, if it is not possible, could one of the core architects please explain why it won't work (architecture, or lack of man hours)? My goal is an nfs mountable MFS. And, I am willing to work on it. Thanks! John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 18:52:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28586 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 18:52:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lamb.sas.com (root@lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28577 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 18:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA23635 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA24180; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:52:22 -0400 From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199805100152.AA24180@mozart> Subject: Unexpected behaviour from pdksh. Comments? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:52:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, The following is on 3.0-CURRENT using pdksh. Given the following sample Korn Shell script: export FOO=foo echo $FOO echo bar | while read var; do export FOO=$var echo $FOO done echo $FOO The output is: foo bar foo where I was expecting: foo bar bar If I put the value 'bar' in a file and change the while loop to: echo bar > varfile while read var; do export FOO=$var echo $FOO done < varfile I get the expected reult with the above. It seems that the pipe '|' is causing the 'while read var' to execute in a subshell. Does anyone know of a way to make this work the way I am expecting it to? fyi: this seems to work ok under hpux 9.05 & 10.20 and SunOS 5.6... Thanks, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 20:43:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07809 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 20:43:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07803 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 20:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07626; Sat, 9 May 1998 22:43:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805100343.WAA07626@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: exporting an MFS partion? Anyone? In-Reply-To: <199805100140.AA23852@mozart> from "John W. DeBoskey" at "May 9, 98 09:40:52 pm" To: jwd@unx.sas.com (John W. DeBoskey) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:43:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John W. DeBoskey said: > Hi, > > I posted this to -questions, and I've received no responses, so I'm > giving -hackers a try... :-) > > Approximately 2 months ago I posted a question concerning the > inability of -current (the only version I run) to export an MFS > mounted file system. In my case, from one -current machine to the > next: > > bb01f01# mount_nfs bb01f40:/mfs /mnt > bb01f01# ls /mnt > ls: /mnt: Input/output error > bb01f01# > > > Could someone with the knowlege of how to export an MFS please > post the info? Or, if it is not possible, could one of the core > architects please explain why it won't work (architecture, or lack > of man hours)? > > My goal is an nfs mountable MFS. And, I am willing to work on it. > Add "options EXPORTMFS" to your config file. Works well for me. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. 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CALL NOW! 800-734-5883 Warmest Regards, Joe Sherman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 21:47:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13074 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:47:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA13053; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA16052; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:14:39 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805100314.FAA16052@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: exporting an MFS partion? Anyone? To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 05:14:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jwd@unx.sas.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805100343.WAA07626@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at May 9, 98 10:43:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > My goal is an nfs mountable MFS. And, I am willing to work on it. > > > Add "options EXPORTMFS" to your config file. Works well for me. is this new in 3.0 or it is also present in 2.2.X ? And in what files in the source tree should i look for it to see what it actually does ? thanks luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 22:36:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17161 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 22:36:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17152 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 22:36:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00801; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805091737.KAA00801@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Amancio Hasty cc: Nate Williams , Mike Smith , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Archie Cobbs , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 09 May 1998 11:18:52 PDT." <199805091818.LAA11364@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 10:37:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You can include me as one of the ones that hates the linux interactive > process for generating a kernel and I am very glad that linux > has this and their lilo bootloader is right on the top of my > list for linux systems to must have 8) Argh, I had hoped that nobody else would be so clueless as to think that was what I was talking about. It's an _opposite_ see: Either a) you have an interactive configuration process, or b) you install the kernel sources and configure/build a new kernel. Now, how does a) look anything like the Linux configurator for b)? *sigh* > > Amancio > > > > > > This is (IMO) bogus. Stuff set in the kernel configuration file is no > > > > > easier to manipulate than sysctl variables. > > > > > > > > Sure it is. I know how things are setup in the kernel config files. I > > > > > > Ah, so "easier" means "easier for me". I think you'll find that most > > > people consider an interactive configuration process a lot "easier" > > > than having to install and build the kernel sources. > > > > Actually no. Most people are annoyed at the Linux 'interactive' process > > once they use the FreeBSD process. > > > > I can give you boatloads of email that shows this. > > > > > > Nate > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 22:37:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17179 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 22:37:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17155 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 22:36:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00460; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805091623.JAA00460@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: fygrave@freenet.bishkek.su (CyberPsychotic), brian@deity.loa.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bpf In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 09 May 1998 10:01:00 -0000." <199805091001.DAA27195@usr06.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 09:23:17 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > could you please give the sample of BIOCSETIF ioctl call? I think i should > > ivolve some particular structure or something here, but i checked manual > > and didn't find any reference > > If someone answers this with something other than "look at the CAP > code" or "look at some other code", it would be nice if the the man > page were updated to provide the same information. > > Meanwhile, look at the CAP code. 8-|. Incidentally, if someone would just fix libpcap so that it opens the bpf device read-write (rather than readonly), I'd be happy. Or explain why it's not, when it's supposed to be? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 22:38:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17304 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 22:38:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17286 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 22:38:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00834; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805080158.SAA00834@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , Archie Cobbs , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 07 May 1998 08:55:45 MDT." <199805071455.IAA09315@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 18:58:58 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > No, it's a poor solution, and should NOT be used anymore than it already > > > is. It's worse than IOCTL's, and it's becoming the garbage dump for > > > everything that we don't have easy solutions for, thus making the system > > > that much harder to understand and configure. > > > > Hmmmm. Rather than tell us about what's wrong with sysctl, such > > criticism being hardly new or even particularly valuable, why not tell > > us what you'd rather see implemented and how you might, given the > > time, go about doing it? > > Something that is not PnP specific, but allows a person to allocate > resources to non-ISA devices. This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the original sysctl reference (passing out-of-band behavioural configuration information to an arbitrary driver). > Current situation: > controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr > > What I'd like to be able to do: > controller card0 at generic flags 0x1 irq ? > > The 'at generic' stuff is open to discussion, but I need a way of saying > 'I *WANT* that IRQ, and you can't have it!" What you've just said is "I want to tell the driver to find its own IRQ". I don't think this is what you meant. Specifying a fixed IRQ is only suitable for hardware with a programmable IRQ in a system where resource availibility cannot be determined. I actually believe that the above syntax is wrong. I would be *more* inclined to try: controller card options "CARD_IRQ=10,11" Which allows for multiple PCIC instances and gives a list of IRQs to use. Alternatively, and something that I implemented a while back: controller card options "RESERVED_IRQS=((1<<10)|(1<<11))" where the latter specifies a list of IRQs that are not available for general use. You could reverse the sense of this and define a pool of system resources in EISA format which could be used as a substitute for the information that would normally be obtained from the BIOS. In the absence of this, you would just fall back to the current situation. > Also, I'd like to see: > controller irqsink0 at generic irq 11 > controller irqsink1 at generic irq 13 > > For hardware that doesn't have any driver in FreeBSD so I can say > "*DON'T* use this IRQ, it's in use." Why create a (totally bogus) driver? > Excpecting the users to know/understand each and every tweakable know is > ludicrous. By making the knob/hooks settable in the config file > (something they already know how to deal with, or will know how to deal > with) means it's *really* obvious which device they are messing with, so > the learning curve is much less. This is (IMO) bogus. Stuff set in the kernel configuration file is no easier to manipulate than sysctl variables. On the other hand, if stuff is compiled into the kernel, you're screwed if you want to tune it at startup. You're more than welcome to veneer over the fact that the startup tunables are sysctl variables; sysctl is a parameter access method, not a user interface as you appear to have mistaken it for. Duplicating namespaces for the sake of it is a poor idea. Suggesting that multiple access methods is "better" than a single access method and a wider namespace is just silly. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 23:22:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21322 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 23:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21312; Sat, 9 May 1998 23:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00403; Sun, 10 May 1998 01:22:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805100622.BAA00403@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: exporting an MFS partion? Anyone? In-Reply-To: <199805100314.FAA16052@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "May 10, 98 05:14:38 am" To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 01:22:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, jwd@unx.sas.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo said: > > > My goal is an nfs mountable MFS. And, I am willing to work on it. > > > > > Add "options EXPORTMFS" to your config file. Works well for me. > > is this new in 3.0 or it is also present in 2.2.X ? > And in what files in the source tree should i look for it to see what > it actually does ? > I found it by looking at the MFS code, trying to figure out what was needed to support it (I looked into it about 6mos ago or so.) Found out that it already existed. This was in mfs_vfsops.c. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 9 23:35:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22071 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 23:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22066 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 23:35:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <199805100635.XAA22066@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA280192040; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:34:00 +1000 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: bpf To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:34:00 +1000 (EST) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, fygrave@freenet.bishkek.su, brian@deity.loa.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805091623.JAA00460@antipodes.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at May 9, 98 09:23:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In some mail from Mike Smith, sie said: > > Incidentally, if someone would just fix libpcap so that it opens the bpf > device read-write (rather than readonly), I'd be happy. Or explain why > it's not, when it's supposed to be? hmmm, libpcap - pcap = Packet CAPture. Since when do you write to a file to capture data from it ? Seems justifiably read-only to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message