From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 04:24:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03708 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (W7CiV77tdtsAPDPfyhDCSarf2oH4uVqk@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.46.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA03703; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from oak63.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.33.63] ([fZPhw0JoUbxK9T1e0ZLluu3B3uEacyLz]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0ydYsN-0002f2-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:23:40 +0100 Received: from njs3 by oak63.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0ydYsN-00032b-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:23:39 +0100 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:23:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert "Re: TIME_WAIT/FIN_WAIT_2..." (May 23, 8:38pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Terry Lambert , njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Subject: Re: TIME_WAIT/FIN_WAIT_2... Cc: jas@flyingfox.com, mark@vmunix.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On May 23, 8:38pm, Terry Lambert wrote: } Subject: Re: TIME_WAIT/FIN_WAIT_2... > > Can I suggest that if you receive a response after step C, which you call > > the CLOSE-WAIT response, then the TCP stack should remain in FIN-WAIT-2 > > with an infinite timeout, because the response indicates that the remote > > TCP stack not broken and moreover that the remote client is not finished > > sending yet. (i.e. the 11 minute timeout you mention later would not > > be used) > > You can't do this. You must constantly ask the client "Are you done > yet? Are you done yet?" because you have no other method of > distinguishing a broken client from a non-broken client. > > I understand why you would want to suggest this: it narrows the > non-compliance window considerably. Actually, I just hadn't thought about it enough, but I prefer your reason, lets stick with it. ;) > > I think that this is a bug Microsoft would be eager to fix, after all, > > if it affects FreeBSD web servers it also affects NT web servers, as > > well as NT file servers, Exchange servers etc etc. > > > I think you are wrong. Microsoft implements the "fix" I have stated, > and is not affected by the problem. Ah, I didn't realise they were using this "fix". > The "problem" would be that Microsoft clients cause UNIX servers > to behave badly, but NT servers are unaffected. > I would think that this would be a problem Microsoft would be eager > to exacerbate in order to make UNIX servers look less viable than > NT servers. Do you really think they are that slimy? I know they pretend they use hungarian notation to encourage other companies to follow that convention resulting in a 10% drop in their programmer productivity, but thats just X-files stuff. ;) Niall. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 04:27:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03947 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:27:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (Lqt3ocmtIRjEEF2l/5UAIsq8RvFXIyZg@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.46.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA03920 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:27:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from oak63.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.33.63] ([UjjpcUnjAWf8fcGaVhvYfWNjiGupXGJ1]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0ydYvV-0002fC-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:26:53 +0100 Received: from njs3 by oak63.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0ydYvV-00032t-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:26:53 +0100 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:26:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: Jim Shankland "Re: TIME_WAIT/FIN_WAIT_2..." (May 23, 5:17pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Jim Shankland , njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk, tlambert@primenet.com Subject: Re: TIME_WAIT/FIN_WAIT_2... Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On May 23, 5:17pm, Jim Shankland wrote: } Subject: Re: TIME_WAIT/FIN_WAIT_2... > njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) wrote: > > On May 22, 5:25pm, Jim Shankland wrote: > > } Subject: Re: TIME_WAIT/FIN_WAIT_2... > > > > That was me. I don't believe what you are saying is correct. > > A process can place a socket in TIME_WAIT_2 by issuing a > > shutdown(fd, 1) while continuing to read from it. > > You mean FIN_WAIT_2, and you're right as far as you go, of course; > but you're missing the point. None of these timeouts/probes/etc. > apply if the end in FIN_WAIT_2 still has its socket open for reading. > In that case, there is no timeout (other than normal retransmit timeouts, > keepalive if it's on, etc.). Ah, yes, *thwap*. Niall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 06:37:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17968 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 06:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ingenieria ([168.176.15.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA17960 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yonny@ingenieria.ingsala.unal.edu.co) Received: by ingenieria (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id EAA01882; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:37:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 04:37:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Mara Cabrales To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Program with sockets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I'm doing a program with sockets in my box with FreeBSD 2.2.5, the server run good, but the client, show next error message: Client: connect failure 49 client: : No such file or directory I don't know that is wrong ... #define SERV_TCP_PORT 4000 #define SERV_HOST_ADDR "127.0.0.1" ... sockfd = socket ( AF_INET , SOCK_STREAM, 0 ); ... bzero ((char *) &serv_addr, sizeof (serv_addr)); serv_addr.sin_family = AF_INET ; serv_addr.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr(SERV_HOST_ADDR ) ; serv_addr.sin_port = htonl (SERV_TCP_PORT) ; if (connect(sockfd,(struct sockaddr *)&serv_addr,sizeof(serv_addr))<0){ printf("Client: connect failure %d\n", errno); perror("client: "); exit(1); } ... Thanks for your help ------------------------------------------------------------------------- YONNY CARDENAS B. || || ||| || Universidad Nacional de Colombia || || || | || Email : yonny@ingenieria.ingsala.unal.edu.co ||||||| || ||| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 06:48:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19256 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 06:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isis.uniandes.edu.co (root@Isis.uniandes.edu.co [157.253.50.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19231 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 06:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from y-carden@uniandes.edu.co) Received: from isis.uniandes.edu.co (y-carden@Isis.uniandes.edu.co [157.253.50.5]) by isis.uniandes.edu.co (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12933 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 08:50:42 +0500 (GMT) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 08:50:42 +0500 (GMT) From: Yonny Cardenas Baron To: hackers BSD Subject: Progm with sockets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I'm doing a program with sockets in my box with FreeBSD 2.2.5, the server run good, but the client, show next error message: Client: connect failure 49 client: : No such file or directory I don't know that is wrong ... #define SERV_TCP_PORT 4000 #define SERV_HOST_ADDR "127.0.0.1" ... sockfd = socket ( AF_INET , SOCK_STREAM, 0 ); ... bzero ((char *) &serv_addr, sizeof (serv_addr)); serv_addr.sin_family = AF_INET ; serv_addr.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr(SERV_HOST_ADDR ) ; serv_addr.sin_port = htonl (SERV_TCP_PORT) ; if (connect(sockfd,(struct sockaddr *)&serv_addr,sizeof(serv_addr))<0){ printf("Client: connect failure %d\n", errno); perror("client: "); exit(1); } ... Thanks for your help ------------------------------------ YONNY CARDENAS B. e-mail : y-carden@uniandes.edu.co To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 06:49:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19390 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 06:49:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (0FS2LpOYgC9SDGkd19rjtFO0b1++qs4t@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.46.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA19372 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 06:49:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from oak62.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.33.62] ([0hJ9/8UNwZyYM9ecvxM1cX/lb/RJhNvA]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0ydb9G-0002s9-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:49:14 +0100 Received: from njs3 by oak62.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0ydb9F-0001T5-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:49:13 +0100 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 14:49:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mara Cabrales "Program with sockets" (May 24, 4:37am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Mara Cabrales , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Program with sockets Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On May 24, 4:37am, Mara Cabrales wrote: } Subject: Program with sockets > Hi > > I'm doing a program with sockets in my box with FreeBSD 2.2.5, > the server run good, but the client, show next error message: > > Client: connect failure 49 > client: : No such file or directory Are you sure you used AF_INET or PF_INET instead of AF_UNIX or PF_UNIX everywhere? Niall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 07:44:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25128 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 07:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA25111 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 07:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!bag@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id SAA28266; Sun, 24 May 1998 18:44:17 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id SAA28909; (8.6.12/D) Sun, 24 May 1998 18:44:15 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199805241444.SAA28909@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: Program with sockets In-Reply-To: from "Mara Cabrales" at "May 24, 98 04:37:10 am" X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: yonny@ingenieria.ingsala.unal.edu.co (Mara Cabrales) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:44:15 +0400 (MSD) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi > > I'm doing a program with sockets in my box with FreeBSD 2.2.5, > the server run good, but the client, show next error message: > > Client: connect failure 49 > client: : No such file or directory > > I don't know that is wrong ... > > #define SERV_TCP_PORT 4000 > #define SERV_HOST_ADDR "127.0.0.1" > ... > sockfd = socket ( AF_INET , SOCK_STREAM, 0 ); ^^^^^^^ PF_INET ^ IPPROTO_TCP (this is not error :) > ... > bzero ((char *) &serv_addr, sizeof (serv_addr)); > serv_addr.sin_family = AF_INET ; > serv_addr.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr(SERV_HOST_ADDR ) ; > serv_addr.sin_port = htonl (SERV_TCP_PORT) ; ^^^^^ use htons() Alex. > > if (connect(sockfd,(struct sockaddr *)&serv_addr,sizeof(serv_addr))<0){ > printf("Client: connect failure %d\n", errno); > perror("client: "); > exit(1); > } > ... > Thanks for your help > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > YONNY CARDENAS B. > || || ||| || > Universidad Nacional de Colombia || || || | || > Email : yonny@ingenieria.ingsala.unal.edu.co ||||||| || ||| > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 08:06:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28053 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 08:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27781 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 08:05:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09965; Sun, 24 May 1998 18:04:50 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980524180450.A9944@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:04:50 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Niall Smart , Mara Cabrales , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Program with sockets Mail-Followup-To: Niall Smart , Mara Cabrales , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: ; from Niall Smart on Sun, May 24, 1998 at 02:49:13PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 24, 1998 at 02:49:13PM +0100, Niall Smart wrote: > On May 24, 4:37am, Mara Cabrales wrote: > } Subject: Program with sockets > > Hi > > > > I'm doing a program with sockets in my box with FreeBSD 2.2.5, > > the server run good, but the client, show next error message: > > > > Client: connect failure 49 > > client: : No such file or directory ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ # grep 49 /usr/include/sys/errno.h #define EADDRNOTAVAIL 49 /* Can't assign requested address */ > > Are you sure you used AF_INET or PF_INET instead of AF_UNIX or > PF_UNIX everywhere? > > Niall > I think there is a problem with libc. I just sent PR. Using printf() with standard non-threaded libc causes errno set to 2. Try the following: #include #include void main(void) { fprintf(stderr, "errno=%d\n", errno); fprintf(stderr, "errno=%d\n", errno); fprintf(stdout, "errno=%d\n", errno); fprintf(stdout, "errno=%d\n", errno); } -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 08:11:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28733 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 08:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28704 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 08:10:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10051; Sun, 24 May 1998 18:10:25 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980524181025.A10039@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:10:25 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Mara Cabrales , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Program with sockets Mail-Followup-To: Mara Cabrales , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: ; from Mara Cabrales on Sun, May 24, 1998 at 04:37:10AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 24, 1998 at 04:37:10AM -0400, Mara Cabrales wrote: > Hi > > I'm doing a program with sockets in my box with FreeBSD 2.2.5, > the server run good, but the client, show next error message: > > Client: connect failure 49 > client: : No such file or directory > > I don't know that is wrong ... > > #define SERV_TCP_PORT 4000 > #define SERV_HOST_ADDR "127.0.0.1" > ... > sockfd = socket ( AF_INET , SOCK_STREAM, 0 ); > ... > bzero ((char *) &serv_addr, sizeof (serv_addr)); > serv_addr.sin_family = AF_INET ; > serv_addr.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr(SERV_HOST_ADDR ) ; > serv_addr.sin_port = htonl (SERV_TCP_PORT) ; Change htonl() -> htons() > > if (connect(sockfd,(struct sockaddr *)&serv_addr,sizeof(serv_addr))<0){ > printf("Client: connect failure %d\n", errno); > perror("client: "); > exit(1); > } > ... -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 12:42:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00840 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00806 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:42:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA00819 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Sun, 24 May 1998 21:42:38 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id VAA22520; Sun, 24 May 1998 21:36:29 GMT From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805242136.VAA22520@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Pre-announcement: Dutch FreeBSD party / Oct 1998 To: hackersparty@tcja.nl, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers list), freebsdparty-org@tcja.nl, markov@atcmp.nl (Mark Overmeer) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 21:36:29 +0000 (GMT) Cc: arnoud.venema@ict.nl (Arnoud Venema), guido@gvr.org (Guido van Rooij) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All, Please find below a first cut of the infosheet describing the planned FreeBSD party / WorldCon (anybody out there have a sensible name I can adopt?) Comments are more than welcome. Wilko PRELIMINARY PRELIMINARY Infosheet for the Dutch 1998 FreeBSD WorldCon October 1998, Arnhem, The Netherlands Rev: 0.5 Author: Wilko Bulte email: wilko@freebsd.org Date: Sun May 24 20:58:11 GMT 1998 What is it all about -------------------- The 1998 Dutch FreeBSD WorldCon is a social event, allowing people from all nationalities to meet face to face all those people normally only contacted via email. The organisers hope that, even without a real agenda, it will be a enjoyable and useful event. The sharing of views, the discusson of the hot issues that are part of the FreeBSD world, the free (Unix) software on the Internet and of computers in general are but a few of the possible topics. We hope to have some of the core developers present, and (crosses fingers) to have some talks by them. Apart of the serious bits, Arnhem offers a selection of restaurants and a renowned pub centre, known as the 'Korenmarkt' (the old 'Corn Market'). Let's hope the less serious discussions will find fertile ground there ;-) Where will it be held --------------------- The FreeBSD WorldCon will be held in Arnhem, the Netherlands. Arnhem is located approximately 1 hr by train from Amsterdam Airport (Schiphol). Look for it on the banks of the river Rhine. For those of you with historical sense, this is the city of the 'Battle of Arnhem' in WW2. The event will be held in the TCJA. The TCJA is a foundation that strives to popularise science and technology among the youth. For an impression check out http://www.tcja.nl Note that this is not a plush conference resort.. The multiple rooms at the TCJA are normally used for things like woodworking, electronics etc. So don't get nervous when a soldering iron is in sight. Dependent on the number of attendees, we might also rent some space to hold plenary sessions. When will it be held -------------------- The 3 day event will start on Wednesday October 21 and ends on Friday evening. This schedule was put together to allow visitors sightseeing trips over the Oct 23/24 weekend. The most common Dutch tourist trap, Amsterdam, is only 1:10hr away by train. People who arrived by plane can easily fly back from Amsterdam Airport after visiting Amsterdam. FYI: our timezone is WET. Agenda skeleton --------------- > Wednesday Oct 21 10:00 - 12:00 Arrival of attendees at the TCJA 12:00 - 12:30 Word of welcome, organisational issues 12:30 - 14:00 Lunch 14:00 - 16:30 Talk by core member(s) <> 19:30 - ?? Dinner and drinks in Arnhem 'Korenmarkt' > Thursday Oct 22 09:30 - 12:00 Group talk, read email, whatever 12:00 - 14:00 Lunch 14:00 - 16:30 Individual/group activities 19:30 - ?? Shopping (shops open until 21:00) and social at the 'Korenmarkt' > Friday Oct 23 09:30 - 12:00 Individual/group activities 12:00 - 14:00 Lunch 14:00 - 16:30 Individual/group activities 16:30 - 17:00 Wrapup, goodbyes, etc > Saturday Oct 24 / Sunday Oct 25 Sight-seeing opportunities Please provide input and suggestions on the skeleton agenda above. How about special interest groups (SIG) ?? Lodging ------- Arnhem has multiple motels and hotels. There is a also youth hostel reasonably close to the TCJA. A list of hotel addresses etc will be supplied as soon as time permits. I have been offered lodging for a couple of people at a private home of a friend of mine. Please send email to myself (wilko@freebsd.org) if you are interested in persuing this route. I will then put you in contact with this guy. Lunch/dinner ------------ Considering the number of people expected to attend it is deemed impractical to really organise lunch/dinner. With the inner city close by, with diners, restaurants & fastfood to everyones liking, one is free to arrange and pay for themselves. A copy of a city map indicating restaurants etc will be available. The organisers, being born 'Arnhemmers' can point you in the right direction. On Wednesday evening we propose to have joint dinner (depends on the number of attendees whether this is feasible or not). The TCJA will supply ample quantities of tea and coffee. Addicts to Jolt or other specialties are advised that these are not generally available in the Netherlands. When/if we need to rent extra space outside the TCJA we will try to arrange for lunch at that facility. Cost ---- To pay for the accomodation rent and to cover organisational costs the fee per attendant is US$ 50 (preliminary value!!). Payment due at arrival in Arnhem. We are not set up to do fancy stuff like creditcard payments, so please supply cash in Dutch guilders. Please note that we expect people who formally sign up to be there (or at least pay the fee ;-) in order to cover the expenses made by the organisation. Net access ---------- The TCJA has a network with 6 Sun workstations and 5 Windows PCs hooked up to a FreeBSD proxyserver/Internet gateway. An ISDN line connects us to the outside world. The internal Ethernet is 10base2 based, the FreeBSD box provides DHCP server functionality. So, by all means bring your laptop if you like. I have one (1) 10base2 -> 10baseT box, if need be we could add some 10baseT taps if somebody brings us a 10baseT hub and some cables. Please contact the organisers if you think this is useful/needed and can supply the necessary netgear. Getting to Arnhem ----------------- Arnhem is centrally located in the Netherlands. It can easily be reached by car or public transport (train, bus). > For those of you arriving by plane: People arriving via Amsterdam Airport Schiphol are recommended to travel by train to Arnhem. Schiphol has it's own trainstation below the airport halls. The Amsterdam area is notorious for it's traffic congestion problems. It is amongst the densest populated areas of the world.. The train trip is approx 1:10hr, for the train schedules please check http://www.ns.nl This web site of Dutch Rail provides an English version of the > For those of you arriving by car: Parking in Arnhem itself is mostly fee-based in parking houses. The closest one to the TCJA is approximately a 10 minutes walk. The train & bus station is a 10-15 minute walk. Stay away of permit holders parking lots, these people pay $$ for their space and will likely call the police if you park on their lot. Getting around in Arnhem ------------------------ Driving a car in Arnhem is not the most practical means of transportation. Especially not because a major overhaul is in progress of the inner city, around the bus/trainstation. The 'interesting' traffic that results make even born 'Arnhemmers' look for alternative ways to get around. The inner city is a pedestrian zone, located at a 10 minutes walk from the TCJA. The inner city itself is reasonably compact so walking should not be an issue. For people who wish to stay in the youth hostel we need to make some further arrangements. The hostel is not close enough to make walking practical (unless a 45 minute walk or so is to your liking ;-) Maybe a joint taxi ride is possible. Registration deadline --------------------- The registration deadline is July 1, 1998. Registration can be done by email to the organisers email address (see end of this infosheet). You will be sent a registration form in return so that we have all info in a standard format. Please note that we might have to limit the number of attendees so please don't wait until the last minute. We feel the TCJA will house something like 45 people without getting too awkward. A more practical limit would be 35-40. Information flow ---------------- People who are interested in attending the event are invited to subscribe to the 'hackersparty' mailing list at majordomo@tcja.nl This is a closed list, the listowner (== me) will approve your subscription within a day or so. Weird request ------------- The TCJA is largely dependent on gifts and sponsors for it's operation. In this spirit I want to ask people who have surplus Sun or PC stuff (anything >= 486-class) or loose parts to consider donating it to the TCJA. Our kids will be grateful. Please contact wilko@freebsd.org if you think you have something useful to donate. Adresses -------- The TCJA is at: Apeldoornseweg 27, 6814 BH Arnhem. Phone +31 26 4455018, fax +31 26 3700068 Please do not contact the people at the TCJA directly, as they have no direct involvement in the organisation of the event. Instead, send you inquiries to the organisers (listed below). Organisers ---------- For questions or other organisational issues please contact Wilko Bulte (wilko@freebsd.org), Rene de Vries (rene@tcja.nl) and Andre de Groot (andre@tcja.nl) via the mail alias freebsdparty-org@tcja.nl _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 15:25:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24092 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 15:25:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au [203.17.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24063 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 15:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au ("port 3500"@[139.188.23.1]) by gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IXFZQBVZ3K00049E@gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au> for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:24:38 +1000 Received: from gsms01.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IXFZQ5T6XSB51OHK@cim.alcatel.com.au> for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:24:31 +1000 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsms01.alcatel.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) id IAA02315 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:24:28 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:24:28 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Kernel hackers Tricks & Tips To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <199805242224.IAA02315@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 22 May 1998 23:56:37 +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: >1. The kernel is large; it is convenient to be able to grep in it > without it taking time corresponding to it's size. To accomplish > this, you can use 'glimpse' from the ports collection An alternative to `glimpse' is `id-utils' (also in ports). id-utils is more a fancy `tags' database rather than a general indexing facility (which glimpse seems to be). A nice feature of id-utils is that is can search for numeric constants by value (eg `gid 100' will also find 0x64, 0x00064, 0144 etc). It also integrates into emacs. The id-utils database file for the entire 2.2.6-R source tree is 5.5MB >3. You can automatically find problems (potential bugs) in old source > by running flexelint against it You could also try LCLint (in ports). It's full capabilities require additional specification files, but it does a reasonable job on raw source code. Peter -- Peter Jeremy (VK2PJ) peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au Alcatel Australia Limited 41 Mandible St Phone: +61 2 9690 5019 ALEXANDRIA NSW 2015 Fax: +61 2 9690 5247 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 16:07:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29047 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28989 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA18435 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:05:58 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id BAA07886; Mon, 25 May 1998 01:05:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980525010543.56365@follo.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 01:05:43 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel hackers Tricks & Tips References: <199805242224.IAA02315@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805242224.IAA02315@gsms01.alcatel.com.au>; from Peter Jeremy on Mon, May 25, 1998 at 08:24:28AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 25, 1998 at 08:24:28AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >3. You can automatically find problems (potential bugs) in old source > > by running flexelint against it > You could also try LCLint (in ports). It's full capabilities require > additional specification files, but it does a reasonable job on raw > source code. IIRC, it hasn't got good enough error suppression to be easily useable. I've not yet gotten around to trying to use its full capabilities - they seem rather nice. It seems a possibly usable alternative if you're on a budget or have quite a bit free time to set it up for the project; however, it still hasn't (or at least I seem to remember it hasn't) the value-tracking capabilities of flexelint, which make it automatically detect missing checks for return values etc. This is _very_ useful. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 16:43:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03506 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:43:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03481; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:42:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14530; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:42:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805242342.QAA14530@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mailing lists? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 16:42:50 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the future , I hope that before a new mailing list is created for it to have sufficient cohesiveness to be effective and that the list should have a leader or small task team to orient the list. Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 16:49:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05125 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:49:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05108 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA19377; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:49:39 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id BAA00278; Mon, 25 May 1998 01:49:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980525014931.03345@follo.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 01:49:31 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird behaviour in BootEasy References: <19980524024533.60246@follo.net> <199805240352.UAA03922@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805240352.UAA03922@antipodes.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sat, May 23, 1998 at 08:52:24PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 23, 1998 at 08:52:24PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > F5 doesn't appear. Originally, I had another bootable disk as the > > first disk on an Adaptec in the machine. F5 didn't appear, but when I > > pressed it I got the other bootblock. This no longer happen - I get > > 'F?' when I press F5. Then I reboot, and F1/F2 appears again, with F5 > > as default. If I press F5 here, it boot correctly. > > Try pressing F4 instead, I'd be interested to know if that works too. Typo above. "If I press F2 here, it boot correctly." it should have been. F4 doesn't work (on any of the places where I press F-keys above). > F5 will appear if you have an odd number of disks in the machine. I have 4 disks. I can probably kill one of them for testing if that would provide any interesting data. > > > The FreeBSD driver probably nukes some state in the DPT that tells it > > > that it's changed its mind about the geometry. > > > > That's possible; I don't know the details of how the DPT handles this. > > Neither do I. 8( It changes it mind. After I have pressed 'F5', it reports 1024x64x32, before I've pressed F5 it reports 1024x122x32. Wonder how I can stop this; the easiest is probably by making BootEasy not write out the press of 'F2'. It isn't a correct fix, though. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 17:14:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11110 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 17:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles212.castles.com [208.214.165.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11044 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 17:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08745; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805242309.QAA08745@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Eivind Eklund cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird behaviour in BootEasy In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 May 1998 01:49:31 +0200." <19980525014931.03345@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 16:09:37 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sat, May 23, 1998 at 08:52:24PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > F5 doesn't appear. Originally, I had another bootable disk as the > > > first disk on an Adaptec in the machine. F5 didn't appear, but when I > > > pressed it I got the other bootblock. This no longer happen - I get > > > 'F?' when I press F5. Then I reboot, and F1/F2 appears again, with F5 > > > as default. If I press F5 here, it boot correctly. > > > > Try pressing F4 instead, I'd be interested to know if that works too. > > Typo above. "If I press F2 here, it boot correctly." it should have been. Sorry, I meant "press F4 instead of F5 the first time around". I am trying to gather more data on what the DPT might be doing that changes its geometry ideas. > F4 doesn't work (on any of the places where I press F-keys above). 8( > > F5 will appear if you have an odd number of disks in the machine. > > I have 4 disks. I can probably kill one of them for testing if that would > provide any interesting data. Sorry, my turn to typo - F5 *should* appear if you have an *even* number of disks. It will appear if you have exactly two. > > > > The FreeBSD driver probably nukes some state in the DPT that tells it > > > > that it's changed its mind about the geometry. > > > > > > That's possible; I don't know the details of how the DPT handles this. > > > > Neither do I. 8( > > It changes it mind. After I have pressed 'F5', it reports 1024x64x32, > before I've pressed F5 it reports 1024x122x32. Aha! Thankyou for digging this out - it confirms what I thought. > Wonder how I can stop this; > the easiest is probably by making BootEasy not write out the press of 'F2'. > It isn't a correct fix, though. You could hack BootEasy to always assume *x64*32, but that's not correct either. 8( -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 18:12:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17997 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 18:12:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17977; Sun, 24 May 1998 18:12:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199805250112.SAA17977@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: mailing lists? In-Reply-To: <199805242342.QAA14530@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "May 24, 98 04:42:50 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty wrote: > > In the future , I hope that before a new mailing list is created for it > to have sufficient cohesiveness to be effective and that the list > should have a leader or small task team to orient the list. > > Amancio i have doubts about lists having leaders. newbies and sue blake seem to be the exception rather than the rule. who is the leader or small task team or questions (doug white ? ;).....well, how about hackers, then. or fs or mozilla? its useful to have a place to discuss various aspects of FreeBSD even with a leader or small task team, in my opinion. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 19:09:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25825 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 19:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25795; Sun, 24 May 1998 19:09:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15057; Sun, 24 May 1998 19:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805250209.TAA15057@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mailing lists? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 May 1998 18:12:26 PDT." <199805250112.SAA17977@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 19:09:02 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I disagree. Traditionally, the FreeBSD lists are way too chatty which is good however I like to see the group move more into an action-driven mode . You want to chat use bsd-chat . You wish to contribute use a technical forum. Amancio > Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > In the future , I hope that before a new mailing list is created for it > > to have sufficient cohesiveness to be effective and that the list > > should have a leader or small task team to orient the list. > > > > Amancio > > i have doubts about lists having leaders. > newbies and sue blake seem to be the exception rather > than the rule. who is the leader or small task team or > questions (doug white ? ;).....well, how about hackers, > then. or fs or mozilla? > > its useful to have a place to discuss various aspects of > FreeBSD even with a leader or small task team, in my opinion. > jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 21:16:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11740 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 21:16:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11583 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 21:15:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02631 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 23:14:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: devices Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anyone know how a device gets itself in the list to be probed? I know how a device file gets into the kernel, and I see the probe function, but I don't see what calls all the probe functions. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 22:46:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22969 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 22:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from asteroid.svib.ru (root@asteroid.svib.ru [195.151.166.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22935; Sun, 24 May 1998 22:46:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (shuttle.svib.ru [195.151.166.144]) by asteroid.svib.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25269; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:45:57 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (minas-tirith.pol.ru [127.0.0.1]) by minas-tirith.pol.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21636; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:46:27 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Message-Id: <199805250546.JAA21636@minas-tirith.pol.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: Sendmail 8.9 X-URL: http://freebsd.svib.ru Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 09:46:27 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! Has anyone checked this new version? It is claimed to be more spam-proof. Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 23:10:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27341 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (quokka1.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27333 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:10:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA24725 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:10:22 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA22138; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:10:16 +0800 Message-Id: <199805250610.OAA22138@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Dialback sites & userland ppp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:10:16 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone done this & how? Stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 23:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27774 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:12:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles213.castles.com [208.214.165.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27746 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:12:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10353; Sun, 24 May 1998 22:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805250507.WAA10353@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Chuck Robey cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: devices In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 May 1998 23:14:21 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 22:07:19 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Does anyone know how a device gets itself in the list to be probed? I > know how a device file gets into the kernel, and I see the probe > function, but I don't see what calls all the probe functions. The specifics depend on the device; for ISA/EISA/PCI/ppbus you use a DATA_SET declaration to make your _device structure visible. Pseudo-devices use a SYSINIT to call their establishment functions at the appropriate time. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 23:58:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07522 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:58:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07506 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16341 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805250658.XAA16341@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Lab Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 23:58:22 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Currently, I am thinking about an organization structure to contain the various hot on-going projects in FreeBSD . What I need is a project manager whose capable of managing such task. If none volunteers after a week or so I promise to step in and create a web page to track the various projects. Tnks, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 24 23:59:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07703 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (root@tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07683 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:59:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hafner@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Received: from hprbg5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ([131.159.0.200] EHLO hprbg5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ident: root [port 4692]) by tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de with ESMTP id <110595-220>; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:59:07 +0000 Received: from hafner@localhost by hprbg5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de id <7618-673>; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:58:52 +0000 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vinum: first alpha release available References: <19980514115320.X320@freebie.lemis.com> From: Walter Hafner Date: 25 May 1998 08:58:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey's message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 11:53:20 +0930" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey writes: > 14 May 1998 > > The first alpha version of vinum is now available for download at > ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/vinum/vinum-0.01.tar.gz. Vinum is available > under a Berkeley-style copyright. Quick question: What are the 'strategic' plans concerning volume managers and FreeBSD? We have a variety of different tools that perform similar or at least overlapping tasks: - CCD - vinum - coda The way I understand it: CCD is superseeded by vinum. But where comes coda into place? -Walter -- Walter Hafner_______________________________ hafner@in.tum.de *CLICK* The best observation I can make is that the BSD Daemon logo is _much_ cooler than that Penguin :-) (Donald Whiteside) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 00:25:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12334 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 00:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12309 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 00:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA18235; Mon, 25 May 1998 00:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd018228; Mon May 25 07:24:12 1998 Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 00:24:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Chuck Robey cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: devices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG the generated file ioconf.c contains lists of drivers to probe. (in compile/MYKERNEL) this is for ISA for PCI it's the other way around.. the PCI code knows what is out there and calls teh appropriate driver. On Sun, 24 May 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: > Does anyone know how a device gets itself in the list to be probed? I > know how a device file gets into the kernel, and I see the probe > function, but I don't see what calls all the probe functions. > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) > (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 01:21:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26431 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 01:21:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26418 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 01:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA22446; Mon, 25 May 1998 11:21:29 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:21:28 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Walter Hafner cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vinum: first alpha release available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 25 May 1998, Walter Hafner wrote: > Greg Lehey writes: > > > 14 May 1998 > > > > The first alpha version of vinum is now available for download at > > ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/vinum/vinum-0.01.tar.gz. Vinum is available > > under a Berkeley-style copyright. > > Quick question: What are the 'strategic' plans concerning volume > managers and FreeBSD? > > We have a variety of different tools that perform similar or at least > overlapping tasks: > > - CCD > - vinum > - coda > > The way I understand it: CCD is superseeded by vinum. But where comes > coda into place? > Coda is not a volume manager but a distributed file system, or in other words, an entirely different animal. Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. > -Walter > > -- > Walter Hafner_______________________________ hafner@in.tum.de > *CLICK* > The best observation I can make is that the BSD Daemon logo > is _much_ cooler than that Penguin :-) (Donald Whiteside) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 01:29:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27972 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 01:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles213.castles.com [208.214.165.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27961 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 01:28:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11239; Mon, 25 May 1998 00:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805250724.AAA11239@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Amancio Hasty cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 May 1998 23:58:22 PDT." <199805250658.XAA16341@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 00:24:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Currently, I am thinking about an organization structure to contain > the various hot on-going projects in FreeBSD . > > What I need is a project manager whose capable of managing such task. > If none volunteers after a week or so I promise to step in and > create a web page to track the various projects. If you plan on project tracking, may I encourage you to look at Stonekeep's PTS (www.stonekeep.com). I've been playing with this for a week or so now, and I'm pretty durn happy with it so far. (Keystone will be good one day too, I expect...) A "public projects page" would be pretty neat. As long as it's maintained, of course. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 01:40:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29767 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 01:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from math.gatech.edu (root@math.gatech.edu [130.207.146.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA29747 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 01:40:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coleman@math.gatech.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.gatech.edu (root@cauchy.math.gatech.edu [130.207.146.76]) by math.gatech.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA28229 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 04:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cauchy.math.gatech.edu (coleman@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cauchy.math.gatech.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25124 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 04:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805250839.EAA25124@cauchy.math.gatech.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Coda filesystem In-Reply-To: Message from Narvi of "Mon, 25 May 1998 11:21:28 +0300." Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 04:39:16 -0400 From: Richard Coleman Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Coda is not a volume manager but a distributed file system, or in other > words, an entirely different animal. Speaking of Coda. How stable is the FreeBSD support? Are there any plans to include it as a standard part of the FreeBSD distributions? -- Richard Coleman coleman@math.gatech.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 01:53:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01777 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 01:53:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (freefall.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01767 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 01:52:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from pipeline.ch ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA246; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:51:49 +0200 Message-ID: <35693132.9EC24CCA@pipeline.ch> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 10:52:02 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab References: <199805250658.XAA16341@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Currently, I am thinking about an organization structure to contain > the various hot on-going projects in FreeBSD . > > What I need is a project manager whose capable of managing such task. > If none volunteers after a week or so I promise to step in and > create a web page to track the various projects. I can do that; (in fact I've already done that ;-) Kernel: SMP Tuned Unified VM Kernel-Threads Networking: ALTQ dummynet IP fast-forewarding Multilink PPP ATM Tokenring THUNDERLAN Filesystem: FFS soft-updates NFS Locking vinum CODA RAIDframe RIO IDA Please contact me if some hot technologie is not on the list. Cheers -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 02:04:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04542 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 02:04:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04495 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 02:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16878; Mon, 25 May 1998 02:04:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805250904.CAA16878@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 May 1998 00:24:50 PDT." <199805250724.AAA11239@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 02:04:23 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, I am aware that it needs to be maintained . Tnks for the tip on Stonekeep's PTS (www.stonekeep.com) for sure I will take a look at it today. What I am really after is the project manager for that should be one of his/her functions to chose appropriate tools to support the management of the projects. Besides project tracking, one key area missing is a requirement specification section with an expiration date for each requirement. The intent is to give ideas to people to kick-off a project . There are lots of stuff that we can build around the concept of FreeBSD Lab however again it needs someone to manage it. Tnks, Amancio > > > > Currently, I am thinking about an organization structure to contain > > the various hot on-going projects in FreeBSD . > > > > What I need is a project manager whose capable of managing such task. > > If none volunteers after a week or so I promise to step in and > > create a web page to track the various projects. > > If you plan on project tracking, may I encourage you to look at > Stonekeep's PTS (www.stonekeep.com). I've been playing with this for > a week or so now, and I'm pretty durn happy with it so far. (Keystone > will be good one day too, I expect...) > > A "public projects page" would be pretty neat. As long as it's > maintained, of course. 8) > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > > Currently, I am thinking about an organization structure to contain > > the various hot on-going projects in FreeBSD . > > > > What I need is a project manager whose capable of managing such task. > > If none volunteers after a week or so I promise to step in and > > create a web page to track the various projects. > > If you plan on project tracking, may I encourage you to look at > Stonekeep's PTS (www.stonekeep.com). I've been playing with this for > a week or so now, and I'm pretty durn happy with it so far. (Keystone > will be good one day too, I expect...) > > A "public projects page" would be pretty neat. As long as it's > maintained, of course. 8) > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 02:25:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07376 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 02:25:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07356 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 02:25:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16956; Mon, 25 May 1998 02:25:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805250925.CAA16956@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 May 1998 10:52:02 +0200." <35693132.9EC24CCA@pipeline.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 02:25:31 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cool ! Lets chat a little . A cool title for the project management effort for instance "FreeBSD Laboratories" "Hacking Zone" is up to you . An http pointer at http://www.freebsd.org . This is part of my idea of giving the impression that FreeBSD is active and/or hip. I expect the following for each project and they are more like hints: 1. Project Title 2. Brief description of the project 3. Team or contact person 4. A Project Web Page -- for now we should leave this up to the team or contact person. 5. Current Status 6. Expected Time To Market Create a friendly/disciplined atmosphere to foster projects . Yes, I know that friendly / disciplined is a hard balance to achieved. Last but not least expected time when you have something for us to review . Tnks! Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 03:02:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12829 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:02:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA12823 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05822; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:02:16 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA01979; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:02:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980525120207.14874@follo.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:02:07 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Chuck Robey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: devices References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Sun, May 24, 1998 at 11:14:21PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 24, 1998 at 11:14:21PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > Does anyone know how a device gets itself in the list to be probed? Depends on the type of device. For an auto-probing device, it uses linker sets (see ) to get into a list that is created at link time. For an ISA device, it has to be added to the config file, which writes out a list of probes. The actual calls to probe the various buses are in src/sys/i386/i386/autoconf.c - they are the calls to isa_configure(), pci_configure() etc. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 03:17:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA16128 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA16120 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06497; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:17:12 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA02033; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:17:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980525121702.27321@follo.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:17:02 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Studded , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Intermediate (?) level CVS questions] References: <356485A5.8022EEE2@san.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <356485A5.8022EEE2@san.rr.com>; from Studded on Thu, May 21, 1998 at 12:51:01PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 12:51:01PM -0700, Studded wrote: > First question. I have successfully set up the CVS repository and used > it to check out a full set of -Stable sources, however there are quite a > few items that I don't build even during a make world so I would like to > avoid checking them out to conserve disk space. I looked high and low > for a setting that says "check out all of 'src' except the following" > similar to the refuse file I use for cvsup but couldn't find it. I've > basically come to the conclusion that such an option doesn't exist, > which isn't the end of the world I suppose. I know I could make a script > that checks out the individual elements that I want (in fact I did that > for ports) but it would be more work than I want to keep that up to date > for the src tree, and work is what I'm trying to avoid with CVS. :) You might be able to use .cvsignore file to avoid having this checked out, I think. (I think the behaviour here might differ from release to release of CVS, but I don't really remember). If it presently doesn't work, it would probably be an easy change to add. > Related to the first question, I have customized a lot of stuff in my > make world setup. Almost all of these changes are related to parts of > the system that I don't build, so we're essentially talking about a lot > of modified makefiles, and a few things related to long usernames. What > I'd like to do is set up a branch that has all of my stuff on it so when > I check out the src tree I can merge my branch into the main branch. I > am familiar with creating branches, however I ran into two problems. > First, I edited one of the makefiles, tagged it, then tried 'cvs commit > -r MYBRANCH Makefile'. I got an error message asking me to commit on > freefall instead which I'm sure no one would want me to do even if I > could. :) However I think this point is moot because I figured that > every time I cvsup'ed the cvs tree it would delete my changes, and I was > correct in that when I tested. You have to use 'magic branches' for this. Basically, you will want to have your branch start at a sub-revision of greater than 100 - ie, for a branch 1.X.Y you want Y to be 100 or more. However, I'm not certain how useful this will be. > What I suspect is that I need to create a whole new directory under > /home/ncvs for things like this, but I'm befuddled on exactly how to do > that from things checked out to /usr/src. I'd also like to do something > similar here with things like CAM. This is one area where I could use > some specific, detailed help or pointers to the same. :-/ You can't do things like this easily. It is beyond the capabilities of CVS. > The next problem I'm having is using the rdiff command. One of the main > reasons I want the full CVS repository on hand is to take a look at the > changes between 2.2.5 and 2.2.6 and see if I can find the cause of some > performance problems one of my customers is having since the upgrade. > When I do: > > cvs rdiff -kk -r RELENG_2_2 -r HEAD src > > I get a nice fat diff file and all kinds of little updates on the screen > telling me where cvs is diff'ing. However when I do: > > cvs rdiff -kk -r RELENG_2_2_5_RELEASE -r RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE src > > I get bupkis. Nothing but a grinding disk and no output at all. I've > double checked the tag names but still can't figure out where I'm going > wrong. I can't tell why this would be a problem; it worked for me. (Breaking it exposed recursive use of malloc() in a signal handler in cvs, but this absolutely doesn't produce "No output at all" - I've not seen that much output for quite a while ;-) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 03:27:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA18378 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:27:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18347 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:27:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from pipeline.ch ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA263; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:26:17 +0200 Message-ID: <35694759.4F61361E@pipeline.ch> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:26:33 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab References: <199805250925.CAA16956@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Cool ! > > Lets chat a little . > > A cool title for the project management effort for instance "FreeBSD > Laboratories" "Hacking Zone" is up to you . An http pointer at > http://www.freebsd.org . This is part of my idea of giving the > impression that FreeBSD is active and/or hip. Thats great, maybe I can get a www.freebsd.org/~ login to put it there. > I expect the following for each project and they are more like > hints: > 1. Project Title > 2. Brief description of the project > 3. Team or contact person > 4. A Project Web Page -- for now we should leave this up to the team or > contact person. > 5. Current Status > 6. Expected Time To Market OK. > Create a friendly/disciplined atmosphere to foster projects . Yes, > I know that friendly / disciplined is a hard balance to achieved. *smile*, I'll do my best. > Last but not least expected time when you have something for > us to review . Later this week. I'll announce it. -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 03:41:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20598 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20559 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04994; Mon, 25 May 1998 11:40:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805251040.LAA04994@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dialback sites & userland ppp In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 May 1998 14:10:16 +0800." <199805250610.OAA22138@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:40:45 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Has anyone done this & how? > > > Stephen There's an example in ppp.conf.sample in -current. -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 04:29:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29940 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 04:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA29933 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 04:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ras@interaccess.com) Received: from wildrock (d222.isdn.chi.interaccess.com [207.208.3.222]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id GAA18422 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 06:22:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris Silva" To: "Freebsd-Hackers" Subject: ISDN troubles Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 06:30:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bd87d0$7b81bf90$0100000a@wildrock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, I was wondering, I can connect PPP via my Bitsurfer Pro, however, I'm unsure how to configure FBSD to use the full 128 mode (actually, 115,200) or Dual band, whatever ya wanna call it. Can someone please help me out? TIA _____________________________________________________________________ RSA Key Fingerprint = 6D0B 5536 7825 3D09 9093 384A 9694 FDB6 RSA Key Fingerprint = 4390 44E5 E316 F2AA A11E 5755 F3F9 D69B DH/DSS Fingerprint = 089B 0B5C 75C7 A7B4 B050 DD14 2D65 5DD6 E87D 239A PGP Mail encouraged / preferred - keys available on common keyservers _____________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5.2 Comment: Out of NT, over the ISDN link, via my ISP - Nuthin' but net! iQEVAwUBNWlWRP9tKFG94DNTAQECUwgAjRxFb0DkOSIopBFMqVo8uXDWF8lUmntC BMpl56Q8Yuc1Uqxb5Pn9BT1JO3sbNyfIIQzalG16X33py7sq/w/evLFnhYOiP71C 2YCJJW8lSPjaNiPJa7WcddzTYZ6GjZFESp6I+Th5qxpzgXMYsFZ5h2yKG7+EheZU cxpwfJXH88Od9gxhp7nZqyIB5jd04gVwPe1OfTMo5j1R21TilFD+pzulk1kfUwy4 E0oxo+yMSJVdCl4ig+/nyQz2fPtoPwAizR99Ag5qTrs2N52EPrn5At27KHqS6rBn wHgEGUXLYrcfqf8RT9dbbhfgL6loXHfmR6vFousfCko//uu/u/zg3Q== =AsBe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 05:28:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09260 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 05:28:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09252 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 05:28:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from ringhorni.ifi.uio.no (2602@ringhorni.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.75]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id OAA17729; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:28:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by ringhorni.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:28:47 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Walter Hafner Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vinum: first alpha release available References: <19980514115320.X320@freebie.lemis.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 25 May 1998 14:28:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: Walter Hafner's message of "25 May 1998 08:58:44 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Walter Hafner writes: > The way I understand it: CCD is superseeded by vinum. But where comes > coda into place? AFAIK, Coda FS is something totally different. It is a distributed file system, more of a replacement for NFS than a replacement for CCD. Amongst other features, it is "disconnection-proof": since files are cached locally, you can disconnect from the server and still work on the files you have cached. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 06:27:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17405 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 06:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zwei.siemens.at (zwei.siemens.at [193.81.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17086 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 06:25:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lada@pc8811.gud.siemens.at) Received: from pc8811.gud.siemens.at (root@[10.1.140.1]) by zwei.siemens.at with ESMTP id PAA29121; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:24:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc8811.gud.siemens.at (pc8811.gud.siemens.co.at [195.3.22.159]) by pc8811.gud.siemens.at (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20140; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:25:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lada@pc8811.gud.siemens.at) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805212206.RAA29017@am026091.res.ray.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:25:36 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Siemens Austria AG From: Marino Ladavac To: "Gregory D. Moncreaff" Subject: RE: limits && /etc/login.conf Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I take it you are running a more or less default kernel with MAXUSERS set at 10 in config file. Thus, 360 file descriptors is a system wide maximum--no more than that many can exist at any given time. This maximum can be increased either by increasing MAXUSERS and rebuilding a kernel, or by setting the sysctl variables kern.maxfiles and kern.maxfilesperproc during the runtime. Take a look at kernel rebuild and sysctl manpage for the two approaches. FWIF, I'm going the sysctl way because I don't need that many mbufs, but I do need a lot of file descriptors (KDE apps eat fd's for breakfast). /Marino On 21-May-98 Gregory D. Moncreaff wrote: > > I'm trying to write a program that deals with a > couple of thousand descriptors and I'm confused > about how limits is reporting what should be > derived from login.conf. > > Trying a both a "default" and "root" class user, > I've set openfiles-cur/max to 1024 but when I > type `limit` or `limits` it reports 360 as the > openfiles limits. > > When I grep for `openfiles` in /etc/login.conf > I find no occurences of 360. Where did it come > from? > > How/should get/setrlimit work? when I call > getrlimit it reports a max of 360 and cur of 0? > > thanx, > -g > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- Marino Ladavac Date: 25-May-98 Time: 15:18:06 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 07:04:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22700 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:04:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22680; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:04:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199805251404.HAA22680@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Vinum: first alpha release available In-Reply-To: from Walter Hafner at "May 25, 98 08:58:44 am" To: hafner@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Walter Hafner) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Walter Hafner wrote: > We have a variety of different tools that perform similar or at least > overlapping tasks: > > - CCD > - vinum > - coda > > The way I understand it: CCD is superseeded by vinum. But where comes > coda into place? coda is quite a different beast. code allows disconnected operations with resync when you reconnect to the network--mobile computing. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 07:05:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22835 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:05:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@COPLAND.CODA.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.222.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22813 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11260; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 10:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Walter Hafner cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vinum: first alpha release available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 25 May 1998, Walter Hafner wrote: > Quick question: What are the 'strategic' plans concerning volume > managers and FreeBSD? > > We have a variety of different tools that perform similar or at least > overlapping tasks: > > - CCD > - vinum > - coda > > The way I understand it: CCD is superseeded by vinum. But where comes > coda into place? I'm not sure that Coda currently fits into the picture cleanly. While it does offer volume management services, it also doesn't fit (server-side) into the current file system structure well. Volumes are Coda's granularity for replication/recovery locking, as well as its granularity for quotas (when implemented). As such, they are quite similar to the traditional concept of managed volumes, as they can be moved around from server to server as a chunk, etc. However, Coda stores the meta-data for the volumes in an RVM (Recoverable Virtual Memory -- a logged transactional VM system) partition due to Coda's version control and ACL requirements. What Coda might really benfit from is a transactional filesystem so that it can stop using RVM :). anyhow, so I'm not sure how this fits into the overall picture. Also, Coda is definitely cross-platform. The Linux people, however, have been integrating a number of kernel changes to support coda better, and I believe that the Coda kernel-side code is now in their standard release. Similarly, they are working on integrating PAG support into their kernel for authorization purposes. There was some discussion a few months ago on FreeBSD-Security about token-handling architectures -- we might want to wake up the discussion at some point and see if we can find a better general-purpose solution than PAGs. Robert N Watson ---- Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 07:20:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25215 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25161 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA07579; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:17:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03202; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:59:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199805250659.IAA03202@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Chuck Robey cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: devices In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 May 1998 23:14:21 EDT." Cc: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:59:38 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Does anyone know how a device gets itself in the list to be probed? I /usr/sbin/config takes care of it. It reads a config file (lets name it GENERIC for now :->) where all devices and their resources get listed. From this it builds a source file named ioconf.c which goes under /usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC. This source file contains tables with all the devices. From there one gets the information which device drivers are in this particular kernel. The rest is just going through this tables and for each of the drivers examining their device structure for the field which denotes the probe function. Then this function gets called and if it says "hardware is there" one can attach the driver. Of course all this information is w/o guarantees about correctness. It's what I know by now about this from reading sources. But I think it can't be too far from reality. ;-) Stefan. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 08:40:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07446 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@COPLAND.CODA.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.222.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07341 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA12331; Mon, 25 May 1998 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS -vs- swap (was SIGDANGER) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG wrote: > > Having worked in an environment where most of engineering was running > > on dataless machines with local swap and local auxillary disk, but > > running most applciations from a central server (much easier to maintain > > 40+ engineers this way), and having had 40+ people become unproductive > > while the NFS server reboots... well, it became a design issue for me. > > This sounds like a good environment for a cachefs on top of the > appropriate NFS mounts. Although there are consistency issues there. Coda provides essentially the same service as it caches on disk in its Vice Cache, but may be more aware of the consistency constraints. We're still investigating the possibilities of Network Computers and Coda -- it seems like one could almost just have a kernel + boot utils and a large cache, and live ones entire life that way. Many machines at CMU already pull most of their local/ binaries out of AFS. With AFS, new executions start blocking as they can't contact the server, but with disconnected operation in Coda, NC's make a lot of sense. I'll be looking at porting the RPC2 package Coda relies on to Java sometime in the next few months -- having access in Java might be pretty useful. Robert N Watson ---- Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 09:23:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14919 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:23:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14912 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA07343; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:21:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:21:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: Mara Cabrales cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Program with sockets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ports are htons, not htonl ron Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 09:54:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19746 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:54:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19734; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:54:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04979; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:54:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 09:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Alex Povolotsky cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 In-Reply-To: <199805250546.JAA21636@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 25 May 1998, Alex Povolotsky wrote: > Hello! > > Has anyone checked this new version? It is claimed to be more spam-proof. Definitely is that, though you can get most of the way there with 8.8.8 and various non-distribution rules. The single most important change is that in 8.9, relaying is off by default, and you can choose several ways to decide what you relay. By IP address, by domain, by HELO, by MX records, etc. It also includes dropin rules for RBL, DNS checking, and regex matches. I'm not sure how the DNS checking works, it seems to have some way of saying "temp failure if we traced to a DNS server that wasn't responding" and "permanant failure if we traced to a DNS dead end." All in all, I'm upgrading our machines as soon as it seems stable enough for production use. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 10:36:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27433 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27417 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA06621; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:34:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Stefan Eggers cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: devices In-Reply-To: <199805250659.IAA03202@semyam.dinoco.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 25 May 1998, Stefan Eggers wrote: > > Does anyone know how a device gets itself in the list to be probed? I > > /usr/sbin/config takes care of it. It reads a config file (lets name > it GENERIC for now :->) where all devices and their resources get > listed. From this it builds a source file named ioconf.c which goes > under /usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC. > > This source file contains tables with all the devices. From there one > gets the information which device drivers are in this particular > kernel. The rest is just going through this tables and for each of > the drivers examining their device structure for the field which > denotes the probe function. Then this function gets called and if it > says "hardware is there" one can attach the driver. > > Of course all this information is w/o guarantees about correctness. > It's what I know by now about this from reading sources. But I think > it can't be too far from reality. ;-) Wow, 4 responses with 4 different answers! I'm sure you're all right, just giving me your parts of the answers, so thanks, I have lots to read now ... > > Stefan. > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 10:41:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28666 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28451 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:40:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id LAA09447; Mon, 25 May 1998 11:40:05 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199805251740.LAA09447@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-Reply-To: <35693132.9EC24CCA@pipeline.ch> from IBS / Andre Oppermann at "May 25, 98 10:52:02 am" To: andre@pipeline.ch (IBS / Andre Oppermann) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG IBS / Andre Oppermann wrote... > Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > Currently, I am thinking about an organization structure to contain > > the various hot on-going projects in FreeBSD . > > > > What I need is a project manager whose capable of managing such task. > > If none volunteers after a week or so I promise to step in and > > create a web page to track the various projects. > > I can do that; (in fact I've already done that ;-) > > Kernel: > SMP > Tuned Unified VM > Kernel-Threads [ ... ] > Please contact me if some hot technologie is not on the list. CAM should be on the list as well. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 10:58:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02272 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02261 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:58:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22691; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:57:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805251757.TAA22691@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-Reply-To: <199805251740.LAA09447@panzer.plutotech.com> from "Kenneth D. Merry" at "May 25, 98 11:40:04 am" To: ken@plutotech.com (Kenneth D. Merry) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:57:02 +0200 (CEST) Cc: andre@pipeline.ch, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to Kenneth D. Merry who wrote: > > I can do that; (in fact I've already done that ;-) > > > > Kernel: > > SMP > > Tuned Unified VM > > Kernel-Threads > > [ ... ] > > > Please contact me if some hot technologie is not on the list. > > CAM should be on the list as well. So should: Transition to ELF format. ATAPI CDR/CDRW drive support VESA graphics mode support. You can add me as responsible for those 3 items. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 11:02:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03173 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 11:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA03111 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 11:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA00996 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Mon, 25 May 1998 20:02:04 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id TAA01036; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:47:12 GMT From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805251947.TAA01036@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: ISDN troubles In-Reply-To: <000401bd87d0$7b81bf90$0100000a@wildrock> from Chris Silva at "May 25, 98 06:30:13 am" To: ras@interaccess.com (Chris Silva) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:47:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Chris Silva wrote... -- Start of PGP signed section. > Hi, > I was wondering, I can connect PPP via my Bitsurfer Pro, however, I'm > unsure how to configure FBSD to use the full 128 mode (actually, > 115,200) or Dual band, whatever ya wanna call it. You just have to configure your Bitsurfer correctly, FreeBSD itself does not need adaptions. Check the BS docs. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 12:31:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19603 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19595 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA25175; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma025169; Mon May 25 12:30:14 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA20177; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:30:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199805251930.MAA20177@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-Reply-To: <199805250904.CAA16878@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "May 25, 98 02:04:23 am" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty writes: > What I am really after is the project manager for that should > be one of his/her functions to chose appropriate tools to support > the management of the projects. > > Besides project tracking, one key area missing is a requirement > specification section with an expiration date for each requirement. > The intent is to give ideas to people to kick-off a project . It would be nice if the 'lab manager' also functioned as an explicit 'advocate' who works on behalf of all of the projects. The advocate's job would be to raise issues in the base FreeBSD system that need to be addressed for the projects to advance. This person should be no stranger to -hackers and the core group. For example, if ELF is required for projects X and Y, then the advocate could present arguments to the mailing lists that help motivate and accelerate the movement towards ELF, etc.. If necessity is the mother of invention, the advocate would be there to help make the necessity known, prompt discussion, and get the issues to be understood. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 13:34:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29480 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 13:34:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29471 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 13:34:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00934; Mon, 25 May 1998 13:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd000919; Mon May 25 20:32:02 1998 Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Archie Cobbs cc: Amancio Hasty , mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-Reply-To: <199805251930.MAA20177@bubba.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hmmmm, you volunteering? On Mon, 25 May 1998, Archie Cobbs wrote: > Amancio Hasty writes: > > What I am really after is the project manager for that should > > be one of his/her functions to chose appropriate tools to support > > the management of the projects. > > > > Besides project tracking, one key area missing is a requirement > > specification section with an expiration date for each requirement. > > The intent is to give ideas to people to kick-off a project . > > It would be nice if the 'lab manager' also functioned as an explicit > 'advocate' who works on behalf of all of the projects. The advocate's > job would be to raise issues in the base FreeBSD system that need > to be addressed for the projects to advance. This person should be > no stranger to -hackers and the core group. > > For example, if ELF is required for projects X and Y, then the > advocate could present arguments to the mailing lists that help > motivate and accelerate the movement towards ELF, etc.. > > If necessity is the mother of invention, the advocate would be there > to help make the necessity known, prompt discussion, and get the issues > to be understood. > > -Archie > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 14:09:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04907 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:09:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (freefall.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04871 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from pipeline.ch ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA154; Mon, 25 May 1998 23:07:51 +0200 Message-ID: <3569DDBA.63CFCAA1@pipeline.ch> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:08:10 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Archie Cobbs CC: Amancio Hasty , mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab References: <199805251930.MAA20177@bubba.whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Archie Cobbs wrote: > > Amancio Hasty writes: > > What I am really after is the project manager for that should > > be one of his/her functions to chose appropriate tools to support > > the management of the projects. > > > > Besides project tracking, one key area missing is a requirement > > specification section with an expiration date for each requirement. > > The intent is to give ideas to people to kick-off a project . > > It would be nice if the 'lab manager' also functioned as an explicit > 'advocate' who works on behalf of all of the projects. The advocate's > job would be to raise issues in the base FreeBSD system that need > to be addressed for the projects to advance. This person should be > no stranger to -hackers and the core group. That thing with the advocate is a hard task but with the help of the project managers (they should tell me about the problems) I think I am able to handle that. I don't know how far away I am from -hackers but I'm reading it quite some time now (till last week from the weekly archives). Maybe I need some help here for the first few weeks. > For example, if ELF is required for projects X and Y, then the > advocate could present arguments to the mailing lists that help > motivate and accelerate the movement towards ELF, etc.. Maybe I can 'ping' the project manager once a month and ask for problems and how things are going. > If necessity is the mother of invention, the advocate would be there > to help make the necessity known, prompt discussion, and get the issues > to be understood. OK, lets take the first step. I'm collecting all the stuff you are reporting to me and I'll put it into a really informative and nice webpage with the following informations: Project name, description, who is responsible, current state, problems. If you have some you'd like to have included: mail me. -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 14:31:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08683 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08665 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:31:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17392; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:47:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805251747.SAA17392@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" cc: Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 May 1998 10:52:02 +0200." <35693132.9EC24CCA@pipeline.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 18:47:40 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > Currently, I am thinking about an organization structure to contain > > the various hot on-going projects in FreeBSD . > > > > What I need is a project manager whose capable of managing such task. > > If none volunteers after a week or so I promise to step in and > > create a web page to track the various projects. > > I can do that; (in fact I've already done that ;-) > > Kernel: > SMP > Tuned Unified VM > Kernel-Threads > > Networking: > ALTQ > dummynet > IP fast-forewarding > Multilink PPP Ppp's now capable. [.....] > -- > Andre Oppermann -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 14:33:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09111 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09102; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:33:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id XAA17457; Mon, 25 May 1998 23:33:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id UAA11491; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:12:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980525201214.A10364@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:12:14 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 Mail-Followup-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805250546.JAA21636@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: <199805250546.JAA21636@minas-tirith.pol.ru>; from Alex Povolotsky on Mon, May 25, 1998 at 09:46:27AM +0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4311 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Alex Povolotsky: > Has anyone checked this new version? It is claimed to be more spam-proof. It is by a large extend (relaying is disallowed by default). The new anti-spam rules are more versatile than the old ones by C. Assman. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #60: Fri May 15 21:04:22 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 15:44:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23665 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23616 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:43:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16690 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:43:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199805252243.PAA16690@austin.polstra.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Updated CVSup FAQ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:43:57 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Based on suggestions from many people, I've updated and expanded the CVSup FAQ. You can find it at: http://www.polstra.com/projects/freeware/CVSup/faq.html Please take a peek, and keep those suggestions coming. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 15:52:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25504 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:52:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25481 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@pm04-16.aei.ca [206.123.6.191]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03500; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3569F5F3.B282109@aei.ca> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 18:51:31 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer CC: Archie Cobbs , Amancio Hasty , mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer wrote: > hmmmm, you volunteering? > > On Mon, 25 May 1998, Archie Cobbs wrote: > > > Amancio Hasty writes: > > > What I am really after is the project manager for that should > > > be one of his/her functions to chose appropriate tools to support > > > the management of the projects. > > > > > > Besides project tracking, one key area missing is a requirement > > > specification section with an expiration date for each requirement. > > > The intent is to give ideas to people to kick-off a project . > > > > It would be nice if the 'lab manager' also functioned as an explicit > > 'advocate' who works on behalf of all of the projects. The advocate's > > job would be to raise issues in the base FreeBSD system that need > > to be addressed for the projects to advance. This person should be > > no stranger to -hackers and the core group. > > > > For example, if ELF is required for projects X and Y, then the > > advocate could present arguments to the mailing lists that help > > motivate and accelerate the movement towards ELF, etc.. > > > > If necessity is the mother of invention, the advocate would be there > > to help make the necessity known, prompt discussion, and get the issues > > to be understood. > > > > -Archie > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com I have no trouble to do HTML and maintain a page. The only problem I see is than I'm newbie to FreeBSD. I have used it for 3-5 month now. I will not do the advocate part but maybe I can HTML all work who are in progress and track them. Maybe we can work in cooperation? http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/BSD/ to see a little part of my current work Anyway, its only a suggestion, I have a lot of free time Malartre -- -------------------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ Unix FreeBSD-2.2.6 -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 16:07:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28095 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:07:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28056; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:06:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11] (HELO mumps.pfcs.com) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brown.pfcs.com [192.52.69.44] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by mumps.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by brown.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Ollivier Robert cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 In-Reply-To: Ollivier Robert's (roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) message dated Mon, 25 May 1998 20:12:14. <19980525201214.A10364@keltia.freenix.fr> X-Face: "csXK}xnnsH\h_ce`T#|pM]tG,6Xu.{3Rb\]&XJgVyTS'w{E+|-(}n:c(Cc* $cbtusxDP6T)Hr'k&zrwq0.3&~bAI~YJco[r.mE+K|(q]F=ZNXug:s6tyOk{VTqARy0#axm6BWti9C d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:06:19 -0400 Message-ID: <18767.896137579@brown.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It is by a large extend (relaying is disallowed by default). The new > anti-spam rules are more versatile than the old ones by C. Assman. Perhaps, but I *know* how to set up and use Claus Assman's stuff, and there are things CA's stuff does that I haven't figured out how to do with 8.9. I also gather that CA's rulesets will support 8.9. Then again, I postponed cutting over from 5.6x+IDA on everything except my firewalls until the mid-8.8.x for similar reasons. H To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 17:41:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11969 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 17:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11842 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 17:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA26634; Mon, 25 May 1998 17:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026629; Mon May 25 17:39:50 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA20750; Mon, 25 May 1998 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199805260039.RAA20750@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-Reply-To: from Julian Elischer at "May 25, 98 01:31:56 pm" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: archie@whistle.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer writes: > hmmmm, you volunteering? No, but Andre Oppermann is.. :-) -Archie > On Mon, 25 May 1998, Archie Cobbs wrote: > > > > It would be nice if the 'lab manager' also functioned as an explicit > > 'advocate' who works on behalf of all of the projects. The advocate's > > job would be to raise issues in the base FreeBSD system that need > > to be addressed for the projects to advance. This person should be > > no stranger to -hackers and the core group. ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 18:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16504 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:10:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16246 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20123; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:09:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805260109.SAA20123@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" cc: Archie Cobbs , julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer), mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 May 1998 17:39:44 PDT." <199805260039.RAA20750@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 18:09:28 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Andre, Julian is a great source of insight into FreeBSD and he has great inter-project skill sets. I had the pleasure of working with him at TRW Systems where I was the Team Lead for an X Server project. If you run into problems don't hesitate to e-mail! Enjoy, Amancio > Julian Elischer writes: > > hmmmm, you volunteering? > > No, but Andre Oppermann is.. :-) > > -Archie > > > On Mon, 25 May 1998, Archie Cobbs wrote: > > > > > > It would be nice if the 'lab manager' also functioned as an explicit > > > 'advocate' who works on behalf of all of the projects. The advocate's > > > job would be to raise issues in the base FreeBSD system that need > > > to be addressed for the projects to advance. This person should be > > > no stranger to -hackers and the core group. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 18:52:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22957 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22951 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA06463; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd006460; Tue May 26 01:50:40 1998 Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 18:50:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Amancio Hasty cc: IBS / Andre Oppermann , Archie Cobbs , mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-Reply-To: <199805260109.SAA20123@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ha ha On Mon, 25 May 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Hi Andre, > > Julian is a great source of insight into FreeBSD and he has great > inter-project skill sets. I had the pleasure of working with him > at TRW Systems where I was the Team Lead for an X Server project. > > If you run into problems don't hesitate to e-mail! > > > Enjoy, > Amancio > > > Julian Elischer writes: > > > hmmmm, you volunteering? > > > > No, but Andre Oppermann is.. :-) > > > > -Archie > > > > > On Mon, 25 May 1998, Archie Cobbs wrote: > > > > > > > > It would be nice if the 'lab manager' also functioned as an explicit > > > > 'advocate' who works on behalf of all of the projects. The advocate's > > > > job would be to raise issues in the base FreeBSD system that need > > > > to be addressed for the projects to advance. This person should be > > > > no stranger to -hackers and the core group. > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 20:57:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12134 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:57:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sommer.dyn.ml.org (kato-ras1-4-cs-28.dial.mctcnet.net [208.156.162.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12113 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from child@healing.edunet.aus.net) Received: from child (child.sommer.dyn.ml.org [192.168.0.1]) by sommer.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA07314 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:11:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from child@healing.edunet.aus.net) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980525230433.006916b0@192.168.0.10> X-Sender: child@192.168.0.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:04:33 -0500 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Child Subject: crashing double page fault Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear all i'm running 2.2-971218-SNAP as a pppd dialin server with 15 modems connected via a control rocket port for the past few weeks i have been getting a double page fault and sits until I reset it, just wondering what steps I can take to track this problem down I have made no handware/software changes this just started happening ever now and then and in the mean time anyway to catch this crash and automatic reset to save downtime? thanks JS Time to heal....Time to recover...Time to Move on..Time to live life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 25 22:31:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24314 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 22:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24293 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 22:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22556 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 22:31:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805260531.WAA22556@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Telephone Voice Answering Machine under FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 22:31:00 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For a while now my phone is being managed by my FreeBSD box . These are my old instructions on how to setup an answering machine: ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/Voice.FAQ I am trying to kick off a new voice answering machine project so those interested please post to multimedia@freeBSD.org Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 07:48:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05473 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 07:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quasi.bis.co.il (quasi.bis.co.il [192.115.114.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05321 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meir@bis.co.il) Received: from bis.co.il (meir@irdavid [192.115.114.42]) by quasi.bis.co.il (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA21353; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:49:02 GMT Message-ID: <356AD520.B9996EEB@bis.co.il> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:43:44 +0300 From: Meir Dukhan Organization: BIS Software Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG CC: meir@bis.co.il Subject: /usr/lib/crt0.o: Undefined symbol `__startup_setlocale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, When trying to build any program I get this message: /usr/lib/crt0.o: Undefined symbol `__startup_setlocale' referenced from text segment Do I have a problem with my linker files ? Tia Meir ps: please, cc me at meir@bis.co.il, thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 08:53:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19810 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 08:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19506 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 08:52:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no (2602@gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.86]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA12763; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:51:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:51:37 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Meir Dukhan Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/lib/crt0.o: Undefined symbol `__startup_setlocale References: <356AD520.B9996EEB@bis.co.il> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 26 May 1998 17:51:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: Meir Dukhan's message of "Tue, 26 May 1998 17:43:44 +0300" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Meir Dukhan writes: > When trying to build any program I get this message: > > /usr/lib/crt0.o: Undefined symbol `__startup_setlocale' referenced from > text segment > > Do I have a problem with my linker files ? What version of FreeBSD are you running? -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 09:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23741 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quasi.bis.co.il (quasi.bis.co.il [192.115.114.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23536 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meir@bis.co.il) Received: from bis.co.il (meir@irdavid [192.115.114.42]) by quasi.bis.co.il (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA21525; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:08:46 GMT Message-ID: <356AE7CF.1954FF07@bis.co.il> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:03:27 +0300 From: Meir Dukhan Organization: BIS Software Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav" CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/lib/crt0.o: Undefined symbol `__startup_setlocale References: <356AD520.B9996EEB@bis.co.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > Meir Dukhan writes: > > When trying to build any program I get this message: > > > > /usr/lib/crt0.o: Undefined symbol `__startup_setlocale' referenced from > > text segment > > > > Do I have a problem with my linker files ? > > What version of FreeBSD are you running? It occurs on 2.1.6, no problem with 2.2.2. Thanks Meir To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 09:32:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28673 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:32:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org.142.69.207.in-addr.arpa [207.69.142.25] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28662 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:32:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@sendero.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 18270 invoked by uid 1000); 26 May 1998 17:33:42 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805231606.JAA00949@antipodes.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Weird behaviour in BootEasy Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Eivind Eklund Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 23-May-98 Mike Smith wrote: >> I just switched my system to use a different bootdrive (a DPT RAID >> array, actually) than I had before, and got the following behaviour: >> >> On a standard boot, BootEasy won't go to BSD, displaying 'F?' when I >> select the BSD partiton. > > This typically means that the disk geometry is messed up, ie. the > geometry used when constructing the disk layout is different to the > geometry that the BIOS is using when BootEasy attempts to load the MBR. I see that occasionally. It typically goes away when I re-install. >> However, if I select F5 for booting to >> another drive (even though I don't have another bootable drive), then >> reboot, and _then_ press F2 when booteasy appears, it boots and works >> fine. > > Sounds like the DPT is playing games changing its reported geometry > based on what's on the drive. The fact that F5 appears indicates that > it's reporting more than one BIOS disk, which suggests that there's > some ugly stuff going on. Nope. the DPT will only change its reports if you re-build the array. BTW, is this a RAID-0 array? If so, it may have old garbage from previous life (building a RAID-5 array normally wipes the entire array. RAID-1 allows you to copy disk to disk). >> Let me repeat the exact steps to get it to work: >> 1. Boot until I reach booteasy >> 2. Press F5 >> 3. Reboot > > What happens when you press F5, before rebooting? > >> 4. Continue until I reach booteasy >> 5. Press F2 >> 6. Boot normally from the FreeBSD bootblocks. >> >> If I reboot after this, I again get the F? when it tries to >> auto-select the BSD partition (or if I press F2 without having pressed >> F5 first). > > The FreeBSD driver probably nukes some state in the DPT that tells it > that it's changed its mind about the geometry. Nope. I do no such ugly thing :-) See my comment above about ``inherited'' trash in RAID-0 (and possibly in RAID-1). >> The BIOS and FreeBSD mostly agrees on disk layout - the BIOS believes >> there to be 1024 cylinders, not 1954 as below. > > Many BIOSsen won't accept > 1024. And many adapters refuse to report > > 1024 for that reason. The DPT will report whatever is there, including ``bigger than BIOS'' disks. >> Any clues? Or should I just re-install BootEasy and see if it goes >> away? (It seems like such an interesting little problem... :-) > > Reinstalling BootEasy won't change anything - it contains no geometry > state at all. The situation basically results from you having moved > the disk from one controller with one BIOS translation to another. The > fact that the DPT learns the disk geometry and lets you boot at all is > an added bonus; normally you wouldn't be able to do that. We agree. Simon --- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 09:38:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00265 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org.142.69.207.in-addr.arpa [207.69.142.25] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA00241 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@sendero.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 18358 invoked by uid 1000); 26 May 1998 17:40:18 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980524024533.60246@follo.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Eivind Eklund Subject: Re: Weird behaviour in BootEasy Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24-May-98 Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 1998 at 09:06:36AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> > I just switched my system to use a different bootdrive (a DPT RAID >> > array, actually) than I had before, and got the following behaviour: >> > >> > On a standard boot, BootEasy won't go to BSD, displaying 'F?' when I >> > select the BSD partiton. >> >> This typically means that the disk geometry is messed up, ie. the >> geometry used when constructing the disk layout is different to the >> geometry that the BIOS is using when BootEasy attempts to load the MBR. > > I know. However, it doesn't look like that's happening (though I > haven't really debugged this yet, so it might well be it.) > >> > However, if I select F5 for booting to >> > another drive (even though I don't have another bootable drive), then >> > reboot, and _then_ press F2 when booteasy appears, it boots and works >> > fine. >> >> Sounds like the DPT is playing games changing its reported geometry >> based on what's on the drive. The fact that F5 appears indicates that >> it's reporting more than one BIOS disk, which suggests that there's >> some ugly stuff going on. > > F5 doesn't appear. Originally, I had another bootable disk as the > first disk on an Adaptec in the machine. F5 didn't appear, but when I > pressed it I got the other bootblock. This no longer happen - I get > 'F?' when I press F5. Then I reboot, and F1/F2 appears again, with F5 > as default. If I press F5 here, it boot correctly. > >> > 4. Continue until I reach booteasy >> > 5. Press F2 >> > 6. Boot normally from the FreeBSD bootblocks. >> > >> > If I reboot after this, I again get the F? when it tries to >> > auto-select the BSD partition (or if I press F2 without having pressed >> > F5 first). >> >> The FreeBSD driver probably nukes some state in the DPT that tells it >> that it's changed its mind about the geometry. > > That's possible; I don't know the details of how the DPT handles this. Did you make sure you started dptmgr with the /fw0 option? If not, you built an array that is only recognizable by the driver, not the controller. Since the FreeBSD driver does not recognize/support in-kernel RAID-0, you are actually looking at the old array. In this case we may have a problem; When the DPT builds an array, it steals the first sector on every disk for its own use, and offsets all the LBA's by one. What it does with in-kernel RAID-0 I know not. >> > Any clues? Or should I just re-install BootEasy and see if it goes >> > away? (It seems like such an interesting little problem... :-) >> >> Reinstalling BootEasy won't change anything - it contains no geometry >> state at all. The situation basically results from you having moved >> the disk from one controller with one BIOS translation to another. The >> fact that the DPT learns the disk geometry and lets you boot at all is >> an added bonus; normally you wouldn't be able to do that. > > I have _NOT_ moved the disk from one controller to another. I have > re-built the partitions on the same drive, not changing the geometry > at all. Everywhere that report geometry report the same. See my question above about dptmgr/fw0... > I was thinking it might be an old version of BootEasy, and that a new > version might handle this differently. I don't think it is more than > 6 months old (and I can't remember any changes in BootEasy in that > time), but I didn't originally install the disk, so I don't really > know. I did :-) It came streight off the boot floppy. It was 3.0-current of early April. Simon --- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 09:44:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01154 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org.142.69.207.in-addr.arpa [207.69.142.25] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01092 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@sendero.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 18411 invoked by uid 1000); 26 May 1998 17:45:08 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980525014931.03345@follo.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Eivind Eklund Subject: Re: Weird behaviour in BootEasy Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24-May-98 Eivind Eklund wrote: ... > It changes it mind. After I have pressed 'F5', it reports 1024x64x32, > before I've pressed F5 it reports 1024x122x32. Wonder how I can stop > this; > the easiest is probably by making BootEasy not write out the press of > 'F2'. > It isn't a correct fix, though. I am almost certain you are running on a confused array. When I built your disks, I used dptmgr/fw0. Then I used the Geometry option in sysinstall to arrange the disk in nice, round 1MB ``tracks''. The geometry you see comes from the array re-build (the DPT firmware tries to squeeze as much of the disk into BIOS=able geometry as possible. Somehow the two blocks are present and somehow you are reading them both. Try (if practical) to wipe the disks and run dptmgr/fw0 to create a new array. Simon --- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 10:35:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11784 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11767 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:34:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA11178; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:34:27 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id TAA16172; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:34:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980526193419.65069@follo.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:34:19 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: Weird behaviour in BootEasy References: <19980525014931.03345@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Simon Shapiro on Tue, May 26, 1998 at 01:45:08PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 26, 1998 at 01:45:08PM -0400, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > On 24-May-98 Eivind Eklund wrote: > > ... > > > It changes it mind. After I have pressed 'F5', it reports 1024x64x32, > > before I've pressed F5 it reports 1024x122x32. Wonder how I can stop > > this; > > the easiest is probably by making BootEasy not write out the press of > > 'F2'. > > It isn't a correct fix, though. > > I am almost certain you are running on a confused array. When I built your > disks, I used dptmgr/fw0. Then I used the Geometry option in sysinstall to > arrange the disk in nice, round 1MB ``tracks''. The geometry you see comes > from the array re-build (the DPT firmware tries to squeeze as much of the > disk into BIOS=able geometry as possible. Somehow the two blocks are > present and somehow you are reading them both. > > Try (if practical) to wipe the disks and run dptmgr/fw0 to create a new > array. Not very practical; it's presently housing my homedir, my bootdrive, and most of my sources. :-( The interesting point here is that I _haven't_ re-initialized the array - I still have the original DOS slice I got from you. I've concatenated the two slices used to hold the 15 or so BSD paritions to a single slice with a boot partition, a swap partition, and a lagre 'e' partition for sources + homedir. I've run dptmgr.com (or something like that) from DOS a couple of times and re-built one disk, but I've not done anything that should have changed the basic array. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 12:04:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28814 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:04:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28808 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:04:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: from natasya.kublai.com (natasya.kublai.com [207.172.25.236]) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06704; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:04:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by natasya.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23889; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980526150409.30903@kublai.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:04:09 -0400 From: Brian Cully To: Studded , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Intermediate (?) level CVS questions] Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com Mail-Followup-To: Studded , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <356485A5.8022EEE2@san.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <356485A5.8022EEE2@san.rr.com>; from Studded on Thu, May 21, 1998 at 12:51:01PM -0700 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 12:51:01PM -0700, Studded wrote: > First question. I have successfully set up the CVS repository and used > it to check out a full set of -Stable sources, however there are quite a > few items that I don't build even during a make world so I would like to > avoid checking them out to conserve disk space. I looked high and low > for a setting that says "check out all of 'src' except the following" > similar to the refuse file I use for cvsup but couldn't find it. I've > basically come to the conclusion that such an option doesn't exist, > which isn't the end of the world I suppose. I know I could make a script > that checks out the individual elements that I want (in fact I did that > for ports) but it would be more work than I want to keep that up to date > for the src tree, and work is what I'm trying to avoid with CVS. :) There's no easy way to do this. > Related to the first question, I have customized a lot of stuff in my > make world setup. Almost all of these changes are related to parts of > the system that I don't build, so we're essentially talking about a lot > of modified makefiles, and a few things related to long usernames. What > I'd like to do is set up a branch that has all of my stuff on it so when > I check out the src tree I can merge my branch into the main branch. I > am familiar with creating branches, however I ran into two problems. > First, I edited one of the makefiles, tagged it, then tried 'cvs commit > -r MYBRANCH Makefile'. I got an error message asking me to commit on > freefall instead which I'm sure no one would want me to do even if I > could. :) However I think this point is moot because I figured that > every time I cvsup'ed the cvs tree it would delete my changes, and I was > correct in that when I tested. You cannot branch with CVSup. Even if you could convince cvs to check the changes in, CVSup will happily clobber them when it's next run. FWIW, I think Terry's also keen on CVSup branching, so you might be able to convince John that it's worth his time to pursue. I don't particularly care myself, since I don't do test that much stuff at the same time, and if I do, I just check out two different trees. > cvs rdiff -kk -r RELENG_2_2_5_RELEASE -r RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE src > > I get bupkis. Nothing but a grinding disk and no output at all. I've > double checked the tag names but still can't figure out where I'm going > wrong. cvs rdiff -r RELENG_2_2_5_RELEASE -r RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE freebsd-src worked just fine for me. :-/ -- Brian Cully ``And when one of our comrades was taken prisoner, blindfolded, hung upside-down, shot, and burned, we thought to ourselves, `These are the best experiences of our lives''' -Pathology (Joe Frank, Somewhere Out There) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 12:14:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00535 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:14:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mindy.accesscom.com (root@ns2.accesscom.com [205.226.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00454 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:14:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sabrina@shell.accesscom.com) Received: from shell.accesscom.com (sabrina@shell.accesscom.com [205.226.156.10]) by mindy.accesscom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22545; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:13:06 -0700 Received: (from sabrina@localhost) by shell.accesscom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17546; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:18:27 -0700 From: Sabrina Minshall Message-Id: <199805261918.MAA17546@shell.accesscom.com> Subject: vinum config To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: grog@lemis.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg, here's the config I have/want: 2 (2-gig) scsi hd's. Installed 2.2.6. partitions / - 200 MB. I want to allocate and mirror as follows: sd0 sd1 size --- --- ---- / / 200Mb (can it be vinum too ?) swap swap vinum (200 MB) /usr /usr vinum (600 MB) /usr/src /usr/src vinum (100 MB) /u /u vinum (400 MB) /hw /hw vinum (500 MB) How do I go about configuring. I've read the docs but couldn't understand the mapping volume->plex->subdisks->drives? Appreciate any help. sabrina To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 13:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14924 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 13:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14917 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00806; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805261929.MAA00806@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Garrett Wollman cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: variant symlinks (was Re: cvs commit: src Makefile src/gnu/usr.bin Makefile src/gnu/usr.bin/as Makefile src/gnu/usr.bin/ld Makefile sr) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 May 1998 16:28:14 EDT." <199805262028.QAA26117@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:29:42 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > < said: > > > Er, maybe. It makes per-session variance somewhat difficult though. > > That presumes that one actually WANTS per-session variance. I for one > certainly don't. Sure. I don't really want a lot of what you do either. I seem to get along OK, and presuming the implementation worked, I suspect it wouldn't kill you. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 14:38:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25452 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:38:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25327; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id VAA18120; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:36:25 GMT Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 06:36:25 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: Alex Povolotsky , current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG One thing we need to look at is the license. I was working on sendmail 8.9.0 with db-2.0 on SunOS recently and I think I saw some licencing changes in both distributions. The build docs really try hard to steer you into using db-2.0. It worked fine for me. Regards, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 15:13:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02828 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beast.gu.net (beast-fxp0.gu.net [194.93.191.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02727; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:12:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stesin@gu.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beast.gu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA23681; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:11:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from stesin@gu.net) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:11:20 +0300 (EEST) From: Andrew Stesin Reply-To: stesin@gu.net To: Michael Hancock cc: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" , Alex Povolotsky , current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, josh@ican.net Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 27 May 1998, Michael Hancock wrote: > One thing we need to look at is the license. I was working on sendmail > 8.9.0 with db-2.0 on SunOS recently and I think I saw some licencing > changes in both distributions. > > The build docs really try hard to steer you into using db-2.0. It worked > fine for me. By the way, BerkeleyDB version in ports is still 2.3.16 as far as I recall, and current version at www.sleepycat.com is db-2.4.10 with 3 patches; 2.3.16 is removed from there. Note: due to the cosmetic but massive changes between 2.3.16 and 2.4.10, 2.4.10 doesn't work at FreeBSD as of today. Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 15:14:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03135 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:14:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rrz.Hanse.DE (rrz.Hanse.DE [193.174.9.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03036 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:13:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefan.bethke@hanse.de) Received: from daemon.Hanse.DE (daemon.Hanse.DE [193.174.9.17]) by rrz.Hanse.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09924 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 00:13:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stefan.bethke@hanse.de) Received: from transit.hanse.de (transit.Hanse.DE [193.174.9.161]) by daemon.Hanse.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09027 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 00:13:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stefan.bethke@hanse.de) Received: from dev.transit.hanse.de (dev.transit.Hanse.DE [193.174.9.162]) by transit.hanse.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10616 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 00:14:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:15:33 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Hanse Networking e. V. From: Stefan Bethke To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mail fails in malloc?! (2.2.5-RELEASE) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I just got this: mail in malloc(): warning: recursive call. Segmentation fault - core dumped mail was invoked from a script: ------------------------------------------------------------------- mail -s "Konf.-dateien ${HOST}: ${DIR} installiert" admin < Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04589 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:18:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04514; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:18:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01284; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805262112.OAA01284@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Michael Hancock cc: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" , Alex Povolotsky , current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 06:36:25 +0900." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:12:15 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > One thing we need to look at is the license. I was working on sendmail > 8.9.0 with db-2.0 on SunOS recently and I think I saw some licencing > changes in both distributions. db-2.0 is bad licensing ju-ju in the default case. If it can't be built to work with 1.8x we may be in trouble. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 15:35:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07946 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:35:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07885; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:35:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22610; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:35:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Mike Smith cc: Michael Hancock , Alex Povolotsky , current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 In-Reply-To: <199805262112.OAA01284@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 26 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > One thing we need to look at is the license. I was working on sendmail > > 8.9.0 with db-2.0 on SunOS recently and I think I saw some licencing > > changes in both distributions. > > db-2.0 is bad licensing ju-ju in the default case. If it can't be > built to work with 1.8x we may be in trouble. It compiled cleanly on 2.2.6 for me, without complaining about anything, so I'm assuming that it was working. It does no longer work with db-1.5X and prior, if I remember correctly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 15:42:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09651 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09597; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01464; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805262135.OAA01464@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: Mike Smith , Michael Hancock , Alex Povolotsky , current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 May 1998 15:35:18 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:35:34 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 26 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > One thing we need to look at is the license. I was working on sendmail > > > 8.9.0 with db-2.0 on SunOS recently and I think I saw some licencing > > > changes in both distributions. > > > > db-2.0 is bad licensing ju-ju in the default case. If it can't be > > built to work with 1.8x we may be in trouble. > > It compiled cleanly on 2.2.6 for me, without complaining about anything, > so I'm assuming that it was working. It does no longer work with db-1.5X > and prior, if I remember correctly. db-2 works just fine on FreeBSD - that's not the problem. The problem is the *license*. Some time back the relative merits of switching to db-2 were discussed, but the ultimate decision was that the license was not viable. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 15:43:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09796 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09761; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:43:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22728; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:42:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Mike Smith cc: Michael Hancock , Alex Povolotsky , current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 In-Reply-To: <199805262135.OAA01464@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 26 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > db-2.0 is bad licensing ju-ju in the default case. If it can't be > > > built to work with 1.8x we may be in trouble. > > > > It compiled cleanly on 2.2.6 for me, without complaining about anything, > > so I'm assuming that it was working. It does no longer work with db-1.5X > > and prior, if I remember correctly. > > db-2 works just fine on FreeBSD - that's not the problem. The problem > is the *license*. Some time back the relative merits of switching to > db-2 were discussed, but the ultimate decision was that the license was > not viable. Sorry, should have clarified. Sendmail 8.9.0beta5 compiled cleanly on a stock 2.2.6 without asking me to install db-2.0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 15:54:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12774 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:54:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org.142.69.207.in-addr.arpa [207.69.142.25] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12578 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:53:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@sendero.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 1465 invoked by uid 1000); 26 May 1998 23:55:06 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980526193419.65069@follo.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Eivind Eklund Subject: Re: Weird behaviour in BootEasy Cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 26-May-98 Eivind Eklund wrote: > Not very practical; it's presently housing my homedir, my bootdrive, > and most of my sources. :-( Yuck. Is the array RAID-0 or RAID-1? I forget. > The interesting point here is that I _haven't_ re-initialized the > array - I still have the original DOS slice I got from you. I've > concatenated the two slices used to hold the 15 or so BSD paritions to > a single slice with a boot partition, a swap partition, and a lagre > 'e' partition for sources + homedir. This is probably where the error is. I found out that moving partitions like that causes these symptoms. I am not so sure how DPT-specific this is. > I've run dptmgr.com (or something like that) from DOS a couple of > times and re-built one disk, but I've not done anything that should > have changed the basic array. Re-building a RAID-1 array simply copies one disk to the other. I do not know what you mean by re-building in the context of RAID-0. Simon --- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 15:57:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13598 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13559 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19776; Tue, 26 May 1998 22:57:36 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA00220; Wed, 27 May 1998 00:57:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980527005732.29188@follo.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:57:32 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird behaviour in BootEasy References: <19980526193419.65069@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Simon Shapiro on Tue, May 26, 1998 at 07:55:06PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 26, 1998 at 07:55:06PM -0400, Simon Shapiro wrote: > On 26-May-98 Eivind Eklund wrote: > > The interesting point here is that I _haven't_ re-initialized the > > array - I still have the original DOS slice I got from you. I've > > concatenated the two slices used to hold the 15 or so BSD paritions to > > a single slice with a boot partition, a swap partition, and a lagre > > 'e' partition for sources + homedir. > > This is probably where the error is. I found out that moving partitions > like that causes these symptoms. I am not so sure how DPT-specific this is. I've never seen it on another controller. I can do more tests, but I think it is likely it is specific. > > I've run dptmgr.com (or something like that) from DOS a couple of > > times and re-built one disk, but I've not done anything that should > > have changed the basic array. > > Re-building a RAID-1 array simply copies one disk to the other. > I do not know what you mean by re-building in the context of RAID-0. It's a RAID-1, so it is/should be just copying. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 16:36:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20331 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:36:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org.142.69.207.in-addr.arpa [207.69.142.25] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA20219 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@sendero.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 1956 invoked by uid 1000); 27 May 1998 00:37:43 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980527005732.29188@follo.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Eivind Eklund Subject: Re: Weird behaviour in BootEasy Cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 26-May-98 Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 1998 at 07:55:06PM -0400, Simon Shapiro wrote: >> On 26-May-98 Eivind Eklund wrote: >> > The interesting point here is that I _haven't_ re-initialized the >> > array - I still have the original DOS slice I got from you. I've >> > concatenated the two slices used to hold the 15 or so BSD paritions to >> > a single slice with a boot partition, a swap partition, and a lagre >> > 'e' partition for sources + homedir. >> >> This is probably where the error is. I found out that moving partitions >> like that causes these symptoms. I am not so sure how DPT-specific this >> is. > > I've never seen it on another controller. I can do more tests, but I > think it is likely it is specific. The only way I can think of is if the two disks have differing data in each of the mirror images. How can that happen is beyond me. Unfortunately your controller is sufficiently old that it uses EPROMs instead of FLASH ROM, so updating it is a bit more problematic. >> > I've run dptmgr.com (or something like that) from DOS a couple of >> > times and re-built one disk, but I've not done anything that should >> > have changed the basic array. >> >> Re-building a RAID-1 array simply copies one disk to the other. >> I do not know what you mean by re-building in the context of RAID-0. > > It's a RAID-1, so it is/should be just copying. Yup. Try to delete the array and re-create it, making SURE you COPY the data rather than ``clear both drives''. Simon --- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 18:29:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08180 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 18:29:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08171 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 18:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA25421; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:58:56 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980527105856.Y24133@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:58:56 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Sabrina Minshall , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vinum config References: <199805261918.MAA17546@shell.accesscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805261918.MAA17546@shell.accesscom.com>; from Sabrina Minshall on Tue, May 26, 1998 at 12:18:27PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 26 May 1998 at 12:18:27 -0700, Sabrina Minshall wrote: > Greg, > here's the config I have/want: 2 (2-gig) scsi hd's. Installed 2.2.6. > partitions / - 200 MB. I want to allocate and mirror as follows: > > sd0 sd1 size > --- --- ---- > / / 200Mb (can it be vinum too ?) > swap swap vinum (200 MB) > /usr /usr vinum (600 MB) > /usr/src /usr/src vinum (100 MB) > /u /u vinum (400 MB) > /hw /hw vinum (500 MB) > > How do I go about configuring. I've read the docs > but couldn't understand the mapping > volume->plex->subdisks->drives? Be warned that vinum is in very early testing at the moment. In fact, I wouldn't recommend setting up a complete system on it at the moment. But this is a good basis for an example. First, why so many file systems? That's just asking for trouble (one file system fills up, another is over full). For example, I don't know what you'd ever do with a root file system of more than 50 MB, and 100 MB looks far too small for /usr/src. I haven't tried a root file system under vinum yet. I don't anticipate any problems with vinum in doing it the way I describe, but I don't know how to remount the file system. You need to boot from a normal ufs file system, and then remount on the vinum file system. I'm pretty sure that mount will currently refuse to do this. Nevertheless, it's a good idea to set things up this way. 1. Label both disks in the same manner. Make partition h the same as partition c, fs type "unused". Make partition a start at offset 265 sectors. This magic number represents the start of the first volume within the vinum partition. Make it 200 MB long (your root size). 2. Create the following config file: drive drive1 device /dev/sd0h drive drive2 device /dev/sd1h volume roota plex org concat sd length 200m drive drive1 sd length 200m drive drive2 volume swap plex org concat sd length 200m drive drive1 sd length 200m drive drive2 volume usra plex org concat sd length 600m drive drive1 sd length 600m drive drive2 volume usrsrca plex org concat sd length 100m drive drive1 sd length 100m drive drive2 volume ua plex org concat sd length 400m drive drive1 sd length 400m drive drive2 volume hwa plex org concat sd length 500m drive drive1 sd length 500m drive drive2 3. Start vinum and create the file systems: modload /lkm/vinum_mod.o vinum create configfile newfs /dev/vinum/rroota newfs /dev/vinum/rusra newfs /dev/vinum/rusrsrca newfs /dev/vinum/rua newfs /dev/vinum/rhwa There are a number of minor problems with the configuration management at the moment. I'm planning to have a new version at the end of the week. You'll probably want to wait for that. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 19:27:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19902 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mindy.accesscom.com (root@ns2.accesscom.com [205.226.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19873 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:26:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sabrina@shell.accesscom.com) Received: from shell.accesscom.com (sabrina@shell.accesscom.com [205.226.156.10]) by mindy.accesscom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07497; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:26:01 -0700 Received: (from sabrina@localhost) by shell.accesscom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11822; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:31:25 -0700 From: Sabrina Minshall Message-Id: <199805270231.TAA11822@shell.accesscom.com> Subject: Re: vinum config In-Reply-To: <19980527105856.Y24133@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "May 27, 98 10:58:56 am" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg, Thanks, I'm doing it right now. BTW why does any mail to grog@lemis.com or grog@FreeBSD.org bounce :-) > On Tue, 26 May 1998 at 12:18:27 -0700, Sabrina Minshall wrote: > > Greg, > > here's the config I have/want: 2 (2-gig) scsi hd's. Installed 2.2.6. > > partitions / - 200 MB. I want to allocate and mirror as follows: > > > > sd0 sd1 size To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 21:07:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11586 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:07:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (quokka1.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11544 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:06:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA05805 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:06:18 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA06711; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:06:12 +0800 Message-Id: <199805270406.MAA06711@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Dialing into RAS/NT from FreeBSD. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:06:12 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anybody done this using ppp or pppd? I dislike these blasted proprietry protocols..... Stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 21:52:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21107 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20465; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:48:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id MAA00317; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:24:05 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805270424.MAA00317@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" , Michael Hancock , Alex Povolotsky , current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 May 1998 14:35:34 MST." <199805262135.OAA01464@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:24:04 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 26 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > One thing we need to look at is the license. I was working on sendmail > > > > 8.9.0 with db-2.0 on SunOS recently and I think I saw some licencing > > > > changes in both distributions. > > > > > > db-2.0 is bad licensing ju-ju in the default case. If it can't be > > > built to work with 1.8x we may be in trouble. > > > > It compiled cleanly on 2.2.6 for me, without complaining about anything, > > so I'm assuming that it was working. It does no longer work with db-1.5X > > and prior, if I remember correctly. > > db-2 works just fine on FreeBSD - that's not the problem. The problem > is the *license*. Some time back the relative merits of switching to > db-2 were discussed, but the ultimate decision was that the license was > not viable. There are problems with the sendmail license too. There are some wording problems that make it ambiguous, and one interpretation makes it far worse than some of the restrictions in the GPL. For starters: - the scope of "distribution" and "the complete source code" are not defined. One interpretation is that it covers distribution of sendmail and the source to sendmail, on the other end of the scale it could mean the *entire* system, including OS, any proprietary components etc. - there is no time limit to the 'irrevokable offer to provide source code' at cost (in the case of for-profit binary distributions). At least the GPL has an upper limit of 3 years here, and even that's a rather long time.. especially if you *loose* the source somehow or have legal restrictions (eg: the USL lawsuit settlement that prevented any more freebsd-1.x CD distributions going out from WC). These are not practical problems that anybody is going to be faced with yet, since everybody that I know of that distributes FreeBSD at present does so with source, (at least those that use sendmail, anyway). However, there are now some companies that use FreeBSD embedded within the product or hardware, so it's not something that we can take for granted. Moving it to src/contrib might be a safer way since it's going to be part of the system that would need to be carefully scrutinized or jetisoned in some situations. Before everybody jumps up and says "use xyzmail[er] instead" or "just don't ship anything in the base", I'm not sure that we can do that as parts of the base *assume* that sendmail (or a workalike) is present. Maybe it's time to bring back a basic local-only mail transport that gets blown away when a real sendmail or comparable (qmail, smail, vmailer, exim, etc etc) gets installed from a port. Sigh. Anyway, things would be helped a lot if the Sendmail, Inc folks would clarify the scope of the license. If there's no danger to co-shipped proprietary code, then it can go in. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 26 22:09:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24697 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 22:09:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aaka.3skel.com (aaka.3skel.com [207.240.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24555 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 22:08:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danj@3skel.com) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by aaka.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id BAA26050 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from danj@localhost) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.8/8.8.2) id BAA01823 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:08:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Janowski Message-Id: <199805270508.BAA01823@fnur.3skel.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle... Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle, how can this be? FreeBSD 2.2.6 Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 01:04:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28262 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28168 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:04:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23380; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:01:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04037; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:01:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980527100124.A3616@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:01:24 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Mike Smith , Amancio Hasty Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab References: <199805250658.XAA16341@rah.star-gate.com> <199805250724.AAA11239@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <199805250724.AAA11239@antipodes.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, May 25, 1998 at 12:24:50AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-05-25 00:24:50 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > Currently, I am thinking about an organization structure to contain > > the various hot on-going projects in FreeBSD . > > > > What I need is a project manager whose capable of managing such task. > > If none volunteers after a week or so I promise to step in and > > create a web page to track the various projects. > > If you plan on project tracking, may I encourage you to look at > Stonekeep's PTS (www.stonekeep.com). I've been playing with this for > a week or so now, and I'm pretty durn happy with it so far. (Keystone > will be good one day too, I expect...) > > A "public projects page" would be pretty neat. As long as it's > maintained, of course. 8) We have a projects page. http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#development -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.de.freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 02:28:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13110 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 02:28:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ymris.ddm.on.ca (p9a.neon.sentex.ca [207.245.212.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA13094 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 02:28:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dchapes@ddm.on.ca) Received: from squigy.ddm.on.ca (squigy.ddm.on.ca [209.47.139.138]) by ymris.ddm.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA05579 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:28:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dchapes@ymris.ddm.on.ca) From: Dave Chapeskie Received: (from dchapes@localhost) by squigy.ddm.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.7) id FAA24038; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980527052806.41527@ddm.on.ca> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 05:28:06 -0400 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Intermediate (?) level CVS questions] Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <356485A5.8022EEE2@san.rr.com> <19980526150409.30903@kublai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980526150409.30903@kublai.com>; from Brian Cully on Tue, May 26, 1998 at 03:04:09PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 26, 1998 at 03:04:09PM -0400, Brian Cully wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 12:51:01PM -0700, Studded wrote: > > However I think this point is moot because I figured that every > > time I cvsup'ed the cvs tree it would delete my changes, and I was > > correct in that when I tested. > > You cannot branch with CVSup. Even if you could convince cvs to check > the changes in, CVSup will happily clobber them when it's next run. This isn't entirely true. Last time I checked if you removed the "delete" option from your CVSup file, then CVSup only blows away your checkins with conflicting revisions. This means that if add a branch and commit to it, it is safe unless the real CVS tree is also branched at the same place. (And even this could be avoided if you modified your local CVS to take an option allowing you to specify a different starting branch number instead of 0, ie making a branch at 1.2 use rel 1.2.42.1 instead of 1.2.0.1). This used to be how I kept track of local FreeBSD changes at the last company I worked for. I would branch at RELENG_2_2_1_RELEASE with a branch name like LOCAL_2_2_1. Then when RELENG_2_2_2_RELEASE was made I'd make a new LOCAL_2_2_2 branch and merge in all changes between RELENG_2_2_1_RELEASE and LOCAL_2_2_1. (Where "LOCAL" was actually the name of the company I was at.) Although it took awhile for CVS to walk the entire tree branching everything, I only had to do it every release. > FWIW, I think Terry's also keen on CVSup branching, so you might be > able to convince John that it's worth his time to pursue. Indeed some sort of special handling for local branches with CVSup, or CVSuping into the vender branch would be really nice. -- Dave Chapeskie , DDM Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 02:45:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17293 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 02:45:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17261; Wed, 27 May 1998 02:45:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <199805270945.CAA17261@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA073492063; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:41:03 +1000 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 To: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:41:03 +1000 (EST) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, ejs@bfd.com, michaelh@cet.co.jp, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805270424.MAA00317@spinner.netplex.com.au> from "Peter Wemm" at May 27, 98 12:24:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In some mail from Peter Wemm, sie said: [...] > Anyway, things would be helped a lot if the Sendmail, Inc folks would > clarify the scope of the license. If there's no danger to co-shipped > proprietary code, then it can go in. SO you, or someone else, is taking this up with them ? Darren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 07:49:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12303 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:49:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatewayb.anheuser-busch.com (gatewayb.anheuser-busch.com [151.145.250.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA12133 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:48:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Matthew.Alton@anheuser-busch.com) Received: by gatewayb.anheuser-busch.com; id JAA24833; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:46:48 -0500 Received: from stlabcexg003.anheuser-busch.com( 151.145.101.158) by gatewayb via smap (V2.1) id xma024666; Wed, 27 May 98 09:46:40 -0500 Received: by stlabcexg003.anheuser-busch.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:45:16 -0500 Message-ID: <31B3F0BF1C40D11192A700805FD48BF9017765CA@STLABCEXG011> From: "Alton, Matthew" To: "'Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth'" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Dialing into RAS/NT from FreeBSD. Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:46:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Or SPAP, for that matter. Nasty stuff. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth > [SMTP:shocking@prth.pgs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 11:06 PM > To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Dialing into RAS/NT from FreeBSD. > > > Anybody done this using ppp or pppd? I dislike these blasted proprietry > protocols..... > > > Stephen > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 07:50:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12432 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan@dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA12389 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:49:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23154; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:49:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Message-ID: <19980527094934.A22908@emsphone.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:49:34 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Dan Janowski , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle... References: <199805270508.BAA01823@fnur.3skel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.4i In-Reply-To: <199805270508.BAA01823@fnur.3skel.com>; from "Dan Janowski" on Wed May 27 01:08:29 GMT 1998 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (May 27), Dan Janowski said: > > Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle, how can this be? > > FreeBSD 2.2.6 Load average just means "the number of processes in the run queue". If you have code that sits in a select() loop most of the time, it'll be in the run queue almost all of the time, but probably not eat much CPU. I've got some Quake servers running on my machine, and if one person joins each of the four servers, my loadavg jumps to 4. But the CPU used doesn't go over 10%. If you're worried that your machine is overworked, keep an eye on the CPU: and Swap: lines in top; loadavg doesn't really mean much compared to them. -Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 09:36:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04892 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04837 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:36:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Wed May 27 11:36 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA22903 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:35:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:35:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: danj@3skel.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, dnelson@emsphone.com Subject: RE: Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle... Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:35:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: Dan Nelson[SMTP:dnelson@emsphone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 10:49 AM > To: Dan Janowski; freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle... > > In the last episode (May 27), Dan Janowski said: > > > > Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle, how can this be? > > > > FreeBSD 2.2.6 > > Load average just means "the number of processes in the run queue". > If > you have code that sits in a select() loop most of the time, it'll be > in the run queue almost all of the time, but probably not eat much > CPU. > I've got some Quake servers running on my machine, and if one person > joins each of the four servers, my loadavg jumps to 4. But the CPU > used doesn't go over 10%. > It sounds weird to me. The program doing select() sleeps like any others and do not reside in the run queue. But, on the other hand, the load computations are based on sampling on timer interrupts, so if some program is activated on time intervals, like select() with timeout, the timer interrupt will encounter longer run queue because itself had woken up these processes and placed them into the run queue right before computing the load. I think this explanation is closer to reality. That raises an interesting issue: should the load computation use the average of run queue length before and after waking up the time-awaiting processes ? -Serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 10:03:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09755 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:03:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bingsun2 (bingsun2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09747 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bf20761@binghamton.edu) Received: from localhost (bf20761@localhost) by bingsun2 (SMI-8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09887 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:03:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:03:24 -0400 (EDT) From: zhihuizhang X-Sender: bf20761@bingsun2 To: hackers Subject: Where are system call stubs in libc? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have understood the basic mechanism of making system calls in FreeBSD which is quite similar to Linux. I am now trying to find out where in the source code library stubs are added (similar to that found in file csu/i386/crt0.c?). I can not figure out how the file libc/i386/sys/syscall.S is related to normal system calls like read(), write(), etc. Also, when tracing the ENTRY(syscall) in file syscall.S, I can not find where __mcount is defined. I hope someone can give me a hint on this. Thanks a lot. ------------------------------------------------- Department of Computer Science State University of New York at Binghamton Web Site: http://cs.binghamton.edu/~zzhang ------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 10:25:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13733 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:25:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (freefall.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13714 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:25:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from pipeline.ch ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA195 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:24:11 +0200 Message-ID: <356C4C3E.377314FB@pipeline.ch> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:24:14 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Some cool stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just found this link: http://irl.cs.ucla.edu/software.f.html for FreeBSD: - Mbone VAT tool for IPv6 - traffic generator (tg) for IPv6 - RSVP Tunnels package and more -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 10:35:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15611 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:35:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15232 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA07993 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 27 May 1998 19:31:42 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id TAA02664; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:19:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805271719.TAA02664@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Weird behaviour in BootEasy In-Reply-To: from Simon Shapiro at "May 26, 98 07:55:06 pm" To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:19:10 +0200 (CEST) Cc: eivind@yes.no, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Simon Shapiro wrote... > > On 26-May-98 Eivind Eklund wrote: > > I've run dptmgr.com (or something like that) from DOS a couple of > > times and re-built one disk, but I've not done anything that should > > have changed the basic array. > > Re-building a RAID-1 array simply copies one disk to the other. > I do not know what you mean by re-building in the context of RAID-0. Replace disk, add to config, restore from tape ? ;-) RAID0 is only usable for scratch data, e.g. a news spool you are prepared to loose. /home on RAID0.... Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 10:57:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20074 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19919 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:56:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dufault@hda.hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18001; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199805271731.NAA18001@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle... In-Reply-To: from "sbabkin@dcn.att.com" at "May 27, 98 12:35:41 pm" To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Cc: danj@3skel.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, dnelson@emsphone.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It sounds weird to me. The program doing select() sleeps like > any others and do not reside in the run queue. But, on the > other hand, the load computations are based on sampling on > timer interrupts, so if some program is activated on time > intervals, like select() with timeout, the timer interrupt > will encounter longer run queue because itself had woken up > these processes and placed them into the run queue right > before computing the load. I think this explanation is > closer to reality. I think: The load average computation is done synchronously at the HZ clock tick by looking at the length of the run queue while the idle stats are done asynchronously, and all the timeouts are rounded to the clock tick (at least nanosleep works that way). So: main() { while (1) usleep(1); } will be in the run queue at each tick so the load average is 1, but the system is essentially 100% idle since this process goes right back to sleep. If this process were woken up at a higher resolution timer than the scheduling time quantum, preempting the current process, the idle time would go down. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 11:17:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24634 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:17:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org.142.69.207.in-addr.arpa [207.69.142.25] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA24479 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@sendero.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 23967 invoked by uid 1000); 27 May 1998 18:51:56 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805271719.TAA02664@yedi.iaf.nl> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: Weird behaviour in BootEasy Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au, eivind@yes.no Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 27-May-98 Wilko Bulte wrote: > As Simon Shapiro wrote... >> >> On 26-May-98 Eivind Eklund wrote: > >> > I've run dptmgr.com (or something like that) from DOS a couple of >> > times and re-built one disk, but I've not done anything that should >> > have changed the basic array. >> >> Re-building a RAID-1 array simply copies one disk to the other. >> I do not know what you mean by re-building in the context of RAID-0. > > Replace disk, add to config, restore from tape ? ;-) RAID0 is only usable > for scratch data, e.g. a news spool you are prepared to loose. > > /home on RAID0.... Nah, Eivind is smarter than that :-) Simon --- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 11:18:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24693 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aaka.3skel.com (aaka.3skel.com [207.240.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24535 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:17:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danj@3skel.com) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by aaka.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id OAA26992 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (danj@localhost) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA05319 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:17:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Janowski To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: autoconf.c:setroot() makes bad calculation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a re-mailing. I didn't get any answers, if there are any. Any clues? 2.2.6-RELEASE autoconf.c:setroot() finds wrong root device in following: 1. booteasy 2. boot device, second scsi drive 3. second scsi has no slices (raw disklabel) 4. config kernel lists sd1a as root 5. no IDE in the kernel 6. 2 SCSI cards, ahc1 and bt0 boot loader finds and pulls in kernel from ufs, kernel inits correctly, at the end it says "changing root device to wd1s4a" Even wierder: boot.config has '-rv' all ignored, I don't get either -r or -v functions during boot. However, it announces the flags in the boot.config notice. If I type in -r at the boot prompt, kernel finds correct root and boots normally. I can boot the system, but it won't autoboot because of the combined wrong root calc and ignore of boot.config. Any idears? Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 11:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02698 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:58:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xcf.berkeley.edu (scam.XCF.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02646 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:57:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nordwick@scam.xcf.berkeley.edu) Received: (qmail 4166 invoked from network); 27 May 1998 18:59:29 -0000 Received: from ip12.san-francisco22.ca.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO scam.xcf.berkeley.edu) (38.28.60.12) by scam.xcf.berkeley.edu with SMTP; 27 May 1998 18:59:29 -0000 Message-ID: <356C5E73.F885CBE4@scam.xcf.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:41:55 -0700 From: Jason Nordwick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sbabkin@dcn.att.com wrote: > > It sounds weird to me. The program doing select() sleeps like > any others and do not reside in the run queue. But, on the > other hand, the load computations are based on sampling on > timer interrupts, so if some program is activated on time > intervals, like select() with timeout, the timer interrupt > will encounter longer run queue because itself had woken up > these processes and placed them into the run queue right > before computing the load. I think this explanation is > closer to reality. > > That raises an interesting issue: should the > load computation use the average of run queue length before > and after waking up the time-awaiting processes ? > > -Serge > Doesn't the soft (hard?) clock (still dont really know the difference well) operate on a random jitter to reduce this problem? Or does that only reduce the ability of a clock driven program to hog the CPU, by not getting charged for its time? Jay -- 4.4 > 95 http://www.xcf.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 13:02:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15564 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bangkok.office.cdsnet.net (bangkok.office.cdsnet.net [204.118.245.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15448 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cts@bangkok.office.cdsnet.net) Received: (from cts@localhost) by bangkok.office.cdsnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA18714; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805272002.NAA18714@bangkok.office.cdsnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig Spannring To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Race conditions in pw X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under Emacs 20.2.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG vipw, chpass and passwd all lock the /etc/master.passwd file for the entire time they run. pw tries not to hold the lock the entire time. Specifically it does not have the file locked when it calls pwd_mkdb. This causes some race conditions since multiple instances of pwd_mkdb can run at the same time. I think pw should take a pessimistic approach and keep the /etc/master.passwd file locked the entire time just like passwd, vipw and chpass. My quick fix for pw opens /etc/master.passwd in main() with the O_EXLOCK flag in pw.c and doesn't close the file descriptor. I also had to make sure that fileupdate() in fileupd.c does not try to lock the /etc/master.passwd file. I tried to contact David L. Nugent, last week but I have heard back from him yet. The following perl script will demonstrate the race condition. It forks 10 copies of itself and each one tries to create and delete 100 users. With a fixed version of pw there will be no error messages from pwd_mkdb and it will delete all of the new accounts before it finishes. With the current version of pw you wind up with a large number of accounts that aren't deleted because of the race condition and a large number of messages from pwd_mkdb such as- pwd_mkdb: /etc/pwd.db.tmp: File exists pwd_mkdb: /etc/pwd.db.tmp to /etc/pwd.db: No such file or directory pwd_mkdb: /etc/pwd.db.tmp: No such file or directory pwd_mkdb: /etc/spwd.db.tmp: File exists #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w # # # Demonstrate pw glitch that occurs when multiple instances of pw run # at the same time. # use strict 'vars'; use strict 'subs'; use diagnostics; use diagnostics -verbose; enable diagnostics; my $a; my $b; my $i; my $notAdded = 0; my $notDeleted = 0; my $wasAdded = 0; my $pwAddFailures = 0; my $pwDelFailures = 0; my $PW="/usr/sbin/pw"; for($i=0; $i<10; $i++) { my $rc = fork(); if ($rc == -1) { print STDERR "Couldn't fork\n"; exit(1); } elsif ($rc == 0) { next; } else { foreach $a ('0'..'9') { foreach $b ('0'..'9') { my $username = "u$a$b$$"; my $cmd = "$PW useradd $username -d /tmp/$a/$b/$username"; mkdir("/tmp/$a", 0755); mkdir("/tmp/$a/$b", 0755); print "system($cmd);\n"; system($cmd)==0 || $pwAddFailures++; if (!defined(getpwnam($username))) { $notAdded++; $wasAdded=1; } else { $wasAdded=1; } $cmd = "$PW userdel $username"; print "system($cmd);\n"; system($cmd)==0 || $pwDelFailures++; if ($wasAdded && defined(getpwnam($username))) { $notDeleted++; } } } open (STATUS, ">/tmp/status.$$"); print STATUS "'pw adduser' recorded $pwAddFailures failures.\n"; print STATUS "'pw deluser' recorded $pwDelFailures failures.\n"; print STATUS "$notAdded accounts weren't added, $notDeleted accounts weren't deleted\n"; print STATUS "$notAdded accounts weren't added, $notDeleted accounts weren't deleted\n"; } } -- ======================================================================= Life is short. | Craig Spannring Ski hard, Bike fast. | cts@internetcds.com --------------------------------+------------------------------------ Any sufficiently perverted technology is indistinguishable from Perl. ======================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 13:21:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19860 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aaka.3skel.com (aaka.3skel.com [207.240.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19740 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:20:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danj@3skel.com) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by aaka.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA27143; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (danj@localhost) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA07727; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:20:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Janowski To: Jason Nordwick cc: sbabkin@dcn.att.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle... In-Reply-To: <356C5E73.F885CBE4@scam.xcf.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The odd part is that I hadn't noticed this before. I just upgraded to 2.2.6 from 2.2.1. Maybe it's X or some other daemon that is running differently. Dan On Wed, 27 May 1998, Jason Nordwick wrote: > sbabkin@dcn.att.com wrote: > > > > It sounds weird to me. The program doing select() sleeps like > > any others and do not reside in the run queue. But, on the > > other hand, the load computations are based on sampling on > > timer interrupts, so if some program is activated on time > > intervals, like select() with timeout, the timer interrupt > > will encounter longer run queue because itself had woken up > > these processes and placed them into the run queue right > > before computing the load. I think this explanation is > > closer to reality. > > > > That raises an interesting issue: should the > > load computation use the average of run queue length before > > and after waking up the time-awaiting processes ? > > > > -Serge > > > > Doesn't the soft (hard?) clock (still dont really know the difference > well) operate on a random jitter to reduce this problem? Or does > that only reduce the ability of a clock driven program to hog the CPU, > by not getting charged for its time? > > -- danj@3skel.com Dan Janowski Triskelion Systems, Inc. Bronx, NY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 14:25:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05140 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:25:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05031 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01674; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805272019.NAA01674@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Dan Janowski cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: autoconf.c:setroot() makes bad calculation In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 14:17:22 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:19:59 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > This is a re-mailing. I didn't get any answers, if there are > any. > > Any clues? > > 2.2.6-RELEASE > > autoconf.c:setroot() finds wrong root device in following: > > 1. booteasy > 2. boot device, second scsi drive > 3. second scsi has no slices (raw disklabel) > 4. config kernel lists sd1a as root > 5. no IDE in the kernel > 6. 2 SCSI cards, ahc1 and bt0 > > boot loader finds and pulls in kernel from ufs, kernel > inits correctly, at the end it says > "changing root device to wd1s4a" This can happen if the disklabel on your disk is wrong; check the 'type' field, and if it's not SCSI, change it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 15:29:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17067 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aaka.3skel.com (aaka.3skel.com [207.240.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17046 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danj@3skel.com) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by aaka.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id SAA27312; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (danj@localhost) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA00428; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:29:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Janowski To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: autoconf.c:setroot() makes bad calculation In-Reply-To: <199805272019.NAA01674@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bingo! Type was unknown. Although this matters little now, the kernel loader, or the kernel, is ignoring boot.config flags. I have a -v in the file, but it is ignored. Dan On Wed, 27 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > This is a re-mailing. I didn't get any answers, if there are > > any. > > > > Any clues? > > > > 2.2.6-RELEASE > > > > autoconf.c:setroot() finds wrong root device in following: > > > > 1. booteasy > > 2. boot device, second scsi drive > > 3. second scsi has no slices (raw disklabel) > > 4. config kernel lists sd1a as root > > 5. no IDE in the kernel > > 6. 2 SCSI cards, ahc1 and bt0 > > > > boot loader finds and pulls in kernel from ufs, kernel > > inits correctly, at the end it says > > "changing root device to wd1s4a" > > This can happen if the disklabel on your disk is wrong; check the > 'type' field, and if it's not SCSI, change it. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > -- danj@3skel.com Dan Janowski Triskelion Systems, Inc. Bronx, NY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 15:49:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24159 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:49:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24011 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:48:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27518; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:48:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805272248.XAA27518@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dialing into RAS/NT from FreeBSD. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 12:06:12 +0800." <199805270406.MAA06711@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:48:10 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Anybody done this using ppp or pppd? I dislike these blasted proprietry > protocols..... Should be fine from either ppp or pppd. Just don't try it via a direct (null-modem) connection :-/ > Stephen -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 16:55:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08284 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08139 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:54:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10275; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805272354.QAA10275@implode.root.com> To: Dan Janowski cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 01:08:29 EDT." <199805270508.BAA01823@fnur.3skel.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:54:26 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle, how can this be? The load average is a combination of CPU and disk I/O waits. The above is still a bit unusual, however. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 18:50:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29220 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:50:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29203 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:50:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA04636 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:20:17 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805280150.LAA04636@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Star Office Installation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:20:17 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have been trying to install Star Office 4, but for some weird reason the installation binary tries to open /proc//cmdline which doesn't exist in our version of /proc :( Has anyone got this to install, or do I have to hack procfs myself? --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 19:47:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09224 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09099; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:46:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA05185; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd005141; Thu May 28 02:39:59 1998 Message-ID: <356CCE19.3F54BC7E@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:38:17 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Please test/check (IPFW/NATD) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have made some changes to the IPFW code that changes slightly the semantics of IPFW. These changes are optiona at present but should become standard soon and should eventually go back into -stable (2.2.x) If you use IPFW you should check your rules to see if this affects you as it might make the filter behave differently to what you expect. If you do not use divert sockets, (e.g. NATD) then relax and go on your way.. if you DO, then read on... The change is presently optional. You need the undocumented option IPFW_DIVERT_RESTART to make it happen, but it is our intention to make it standard after a while so you should look at this. The change is that in the normal situation, a packet that is re-injected after diversion will no longer go back to the beginning of the filter, but instead will restart at (after) the point that it was diverted. If no major processing has occured before your divert rule then there is effectively no change... If your divert rule is a fair way into your filter set, then look at the rules before hand and think about whether not running those a second time in the reinjected packet may create a security hole. The reason for this change is because the original scheme was flawed in that you could not divert a packet twice. Doing so would lead to an infinite loop (for the packet). so for example the following was not possible: [rules set 1] divert for payload encryption [rules set 2..] divert for NATD [rules set 3] In the old scheme. the executed rules would be: [set 1] encryption [set 1] [set 2] natd [set 1] encryption [set 1] (etc) in the new scheme it is: {set 1] encryption [set 2] natd [set 3] I envision this becoming standard in a couple of weeks and really it should go back to 2.2.x in the common case (natd) [rules set 1] divert for NATD [rules set 2] The following should happen: old: [set 1] natd [set 1] [set 2] new: [set 1] natd [set 2] If your ruleset REQUIRES set 1 to be run twice please let me know so I can work out the common scenarios. the example for natd say to put the natd rule at the beginning so it should not affect people who followed this advice :-) julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 21:43:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28186 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:43:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28178 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:43:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <199805280443.VAA28178@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA201450592; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:43:12 +1000 From: Darren Reed Subject: freebsd on compaqs To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:43:12 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG will freebsd run on Compaq Deskpro's with builtin UTP (10/100) ? Darren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 22:48:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06238 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 22:48:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06227 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 22:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id HAA23838 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:48:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id HAA26253 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:46:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980528074618.A26220@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 07:46:18 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805280150.LAA04636@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: <199805280150.LAA04636@cain.gsoft.com.au>; from Daniel O'Connor on Thu, May 28, 1998 at 11:20:17AM +0930 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4311 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Daniel O'Connor: > Has anyone got this to install, or do I have to hack procfs myself? I'm really surprised. I installed SO4 a few months ago (when 4.0 release came out) and it didn't puke like this. It runs well but has a tendency to lock (and eat all the CPU) after a random amound of time. Just save often :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #60: Fri May 15 21:04:22 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 23:29:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10782 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wraith.cs.uow.edu.au (root@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10774 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@uow.edu.au) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by wraith.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA15845; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:28:33 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:28:32 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: Ollivier Robert cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-Reply-To: <19980528074618.A26220@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I recently d/l the 4.0 distribution and it puked at me when i tried to run it. The error message was "Abort Trap". I'm running 2.2.6-release with linux emulation, if anyone has any pointers as to why this is happening, i'd love to know. :) Nick -- Email: ncb05@uow.edu.au - DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A http://rabble.uow.edu.au/~nick - public key available on request. Nicholas Brawn - Computer Science Undergraduate, University of Wollongong. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 23:53:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13915 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:53:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (perlsta@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13881 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perlsta@fang.cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from localhost (perlsta@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA18150; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:54:58 GMT Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:54:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Ollivier Robert cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-Reply-To: <19980528074618.A26220@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG could you please check your shared mem segments on the next crash? just ipcs and tell me if you have a LOT of segments lyinh around? also are you running -stable? -current? thanks, -Alfred On Thu, 28 May 1998, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Daniel O'Connor: > > Has anyone got this to install, or do I have to hack procfs myself? > > I'm really surprised. I installed SO4 a few months ago (when 4.0 release > came out) and it didn't puke like this. > > It runs well but has a tendency to lock (and eat all the CPU) after a > random amound of time. Just save often :-) > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #60: Fri May 15 21:04:22 CEST 1998 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 27 23:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14215 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (omega.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA14178 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:55:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenner@parc.xerox.com) Received: from mango.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.102.232]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <32611(2)>; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:54:44 PDT Received: from mango.parc.xerox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mango.parc.xerox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01205; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenner@mango.parc.xerox.com) Message-Id: <199805280654.XAA01205@mango.parc.xerox.com> To: Darren Reed cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd on compaqs In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 21:43:12 PDT." <199805280443.VAA28178@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1168.896338480.1@mango.parc.xerox.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:54:40 PDT From: Bill Fenner Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199805280443.VAA28178@hub.freebsd.org>you write: >will freebsd run on Compaq Deskpro's with builtin UTP (10/100) ? I'm using Bill Paul's brand new driver for the Thunderlan. It's working fairly well, but there's no release with this driver in it, so installing from scratch will be a trick. Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 00:00:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15451 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15394 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:00:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA09269; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:29:59 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805280659.QAA09269@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nicholas Charles Brawn cc: Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 16:28:32 +1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:29:59 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I recently d/l the 4.0 distribution and it puked at me when i tried to > run it. The error message was "Abort Trap". > > I'm running 2.2.6-release with linux emulation, if anyone has any pointers > as to why this is happening, i'd love to know. :) That's the error message I get. Here is the end of a linux_kdump of the setup.bin file - 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/compat/linux/usr/home/darius/projects/Office40_Install/setup.ini" 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/usr/home/darius/projects/Office40_Install/setup.ini" 2584 setup.bin RET linux_newstat JUSTRETURN 2584 setup.bin CALL getpid 2584 setup.bin RET getpid 2584/0xa18 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_open(0xefbfc8f0,0x800,0) 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/compat/linux/proc/2584/cmdline" 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/proc/2584/cmdline" 2584 setup.bin RET linux_open JUSTRETURN 2584 setup.bin PSIG SIGSEGV caught handler=0x835e794 mask=0x0 code=0xc 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_sigprocmask(0x1,0xefbfcc0c,0) 2584 setup.bin RET linux_sigprocmask 0 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_sigaction(0x6,0xefbfcb74,0xefbfcb64) 2584 setup.bin RET linux_sigaction 0 2584 setup.bin CALL getpid 2584 setup.bin RET getpid 2584/0xa18 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_kill(0xa18,0x6) 2584 setup.bin PSIG SIGIOT SIG_DFL 2584 setup.bin NAMI "setup.bin.core" --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 00:25:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19213 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:25:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ais.ais-gwd.com (root@ais.ais-gwd.com [205.160.97.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA19200 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:25:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from charlespeters@ais-gwd.com) Received: from ci1000971-a.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com (ci1000971-a.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com [24.4.113.113]) by ais.ais-gwd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA27556 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 03:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805280730.DAA27556@ais.ais-gwd.com> From: "Charles A. Peters" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 03:31:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: New installation requireing ip reconfiguration. Reply-to: charlespeters@tecpro.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have just sucessfully completed a ftp install of FreeBSD 2.2.6-Stable, and I am now having trouble reconfigureing my network information (I installed over my cable modem, and now need to reconfigure the FreeBSD machine to use the Win95 Midpoint Gateway for internet access). Where can I find the network config files, and is there a utility to allow me to reset my ip config data. I am very new to FreeBSD, and need some hand holding. Thanks, Charles charlespeters@tecpro.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 00:40:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20738 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:40:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk (exim@myrddin.demon.co.uk [158.152.54.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA20700; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk) Received: from dom by myrddin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.80 #1) id 0yex5W-0000Cw-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:26:58 +0100 To: Peter Wemm Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 References: <199805270424.MAA00317@spinner.netplex.com.au> From: Dom Mitchell In-Reply-To: Peter Wemm's message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 12:24:04 +0800" X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:26:58 +0100 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Wemm writes: > Before everybody jumps up and says "use xyzmail[er] instead" or "just > don't ship anything in the base", I'm not sure that we can do that as > parts of the base *assume* that sendmail (or a workalike) is present. VMailer, exim and smail all go to quite strong lengths to be sendmail compatible. In particular, I've been using exim for some time (over a year) as a sendmail replacement and found no faults. It's still GPL'd though. And there's still the massive body of sysadmin inertia that *knows* sendmail... Wouldn't it be easier to just stick with 8.8.8 until the licensing issues of this latest sendmail can be clarified? > Maybe it's time to bring back a basic local-only mail transport that gets > blown away when a real sendmail or comparable (qmail, smail, vmailer, > exim, etc etc) gets installed from a port. Sigh. That's certainly one solution; was one of these things used before? If so, where can I get a look at it? P.S. You left out MMDF. :-) -- "Every minute there's a UNIX system crashing somewhere." -- DJB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 00:59:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23687 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23676 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:59:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA09639; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:28:25 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805280758.RAA09639@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Alfred Perlstein cc: Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 01:54:58 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:28:25 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > could you please check your shared mem segments on the next crash? just > ipcs and tell me if you have a LOT of segments lyinh around? also are you > running -stable? -current? I only have the shared memory from PGSQL.. I am running -current --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 01:05:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24879 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA24872 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA28473; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd028467; Thu May 28 07:59:16 1998 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 00:59:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: charlespeters@tecpro.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New installation requireing ip reconfiguration. In-Reply-To: <199805280730.DAA27556@ais.ais-gwd.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 28 May 1998, Charles A. Peters wrote: > I have just sucessfully completed a ftp install of FreeBSD > 2.2.6-Stable, and I am now having trouble reconfigureing my network > information (I installed over my cable modem, and now need to > reconfigure the FreeBSD machine to use the Win95 Midpoint Gateway for > internet access). If you'll excuse the question, Isn't this a bit backwards? why on EARTH would one route a Unix box through a Win95 box? Kind of like towing the winabago behind the VW.. BSD can do every kind of networking trick in the book plus a few, but I'm not sure I'd trust win95 to stay up for an entire session if someone was using it.. I'm sure you have a reason but my curiosity is killing me. The file you want BTW is /etc/rc.conf > > Where can I find the network config files, and is there a utility to > allow me to reset my ip config data. > > I am very new to FreeBSD, and need some hand holding. > > > Thanks, > > Charles > charlespeters@tecpro.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 01:32:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29548 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:32:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA29506 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:32:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lutz@muc.de) Received: from tavari.muc.de ([193.174.4.22]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <140562-1>; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:18:51 +0200 Received: from muc.de (abraxas [192.168.42.5]) by tavari.muc.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14402; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:07:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <356CFF2D.23793B34@muc.de> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:07:41 +0200 From: Lutz Albers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Connor" CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation References: <199805280150.LAA04636@cain.gsoft.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > I have been trying to install Star Office 4, but for some weird reason the > installation binary tries to open /proc//cmdline which doesn't exist in > our version of /proc :( > > Has anyone got this to install, or do I have to hack procfs myself? Hi, I had that problem myself. I got it to install by using an old version of the SO4 installer I ahd lying around. Contact me, if you need/want it. BTW, I didn't got it to work after install, the soffice pgp just hung (well it was RUNning) after start. Maybe you haver better luck :-) ciao lutz -- Lutz Albers, lutz@muc.de Do not take life too seriously, you will never get out of it alive. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 01:32:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29632 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:32:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from manchester.genrad.com (x247.genrad.co.uk [195.99.3.247] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA29568; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swindellsr@genrad.co.uk) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805280832.BAA29568@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from CDP275.uk.genrad.com by manchester.genrad.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id K6QSYY1W; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:31:53 +0100 From: Robert Swindells To: doconnor@gsoft.com.au CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, emulation@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199805280659.QAA09269@cain.gsoft.com.au> (doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Subject: Re: Star Office Installation Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [kdump of Star Office startup deleted] FWIW the latest version of Allegro Common Lisp (5.0 beta) tries to read /proc//map and fails. Maybe we do need to emulate the Linux procfs as somebody suggested last week. Robert Swindells ---------------------------------- Robert Swindells - GenRad Ltd. rjs@genrad.co.uk - Work rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk - Home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 01:36:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00438 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:36:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00327; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:35:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA09883; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:05:45 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805280835.SAA09883@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Robert Swindells cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 18:02:29 +0930." <199805280832.SAA09847@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:05:44 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > FWIW the latest version of Allegro Common Lisp (5.0 beta) tries to > read /proc//map and fails. > Maybe we do need to emulate the Linux procfs as somebody suggested > last week. Heh, so what are you waiting for? ;) I'm not sure _where_ you put things like that.. Unless we just alter our procfs. --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 01:41:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01697 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01642 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA02960; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd002729; Thu May 28 08:18:40 1998 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: Nicholas Charles Brawn , Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux emulation failure (was Star-office) In-Reply-To: <199805280659.QAA09269@cain.gsoft.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG they are trying to be smart and using a LINUX procfs feature that we don't support. probably trying to find out something about their command line.. (what an odd idea what's wrong with argv/argc?) probably due to this failure, they are leaping off into space and doing an illegal memory reference. To their credit, they are trapping that, cleaning up and sending themselves a signal to force a core-dump. probably JUSTRETURN may not be the best return value, as the program may not realise it had an error. try truss, as that gives better information under linux emulation I'm told. On Thu, 28 May 1998, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > I recently d/l the 4.0 distribution and it puked at me when i tried to > > run it. The error message was "Abort Trap". > > > > I'm running 2.2.6-release with linux emulation, if anyone has any pointers > > as to why this is happening, i'd love to know. :) > That's the error message I get. > > Here is the end of a linux_kdump of the setup.bin file - > 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/compat/linux/usr/home/darius/projects/Office40_Install/setup.ini" > 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/usr/home/darius/projects/Office40_Install/setup.ini" > 2584 setup.bin RET linux_newstat JUSTRETURN > 2584 setup.bin CALL getpid > 2584 setup.bin RET getpid 2584/0xa18 > 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_open(0xefbfc8f0,0x800,0) > 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/compat/linux/proc/2584/cmdline" > 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/proc/2584/cmdline" > 2584 setup.bin RET linux_open JUSTRETURN > 2584 setup.bin PSIG SIGSEGV caught handler=0x835e794 mask=0x0 code=0xc > 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_sigprocmask(0x1,0xefbfcc0c,0) > 2584 setup.bin RET linux_sigprocmask 0 > 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_sigaction(0x6,0xefbfcb74,0xefbfcb64) > 2584 setup.bin RET linux_sigaction 0 > 2584 setup.bin CALL getpid > 2584 setup.bin RET getpid 2584/0xa18 > 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_kill(0xa18,0x6) > 2584 setup.bin PSIG SIGIOT SIG_DFL > 2584 setup.bin NAMI "setup.bin.core" > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | > |http://www.gsoft.com.au | > |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| > |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 01:46:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02914 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:46:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02903 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA09947; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:15:42 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805280845.SAA09947@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Julian Elischer cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , Nicholas Charles Brawn , Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux emulation failure (was Star-office) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 01:16:08 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:15:42 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > they are trying to be smart and using a LINUX procfs feature that we don't > support. probably trying to find out something about their command line.. > (what an odd idea what's wrong with argv/argc?) Yeah, I had wondered that myself.. Seemed kinda dumb :( > probably due to this failure, they are leaping off into space > and doing an illegal memory reference. To their credit, they are trapping > that, cleaning up and sending themselves a signal to force a core-dump. Mm.. doesn't make up for the totally weird access to /proc =) > probably JUSTRETURN may not be the best return value, as the program > may not realise it had an error. > try truss, as that gives better information under linux emulation I'm > told. OK, I'll give it a go --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 04:59:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28572 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:59:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.sminter.com.ar (ns1.sminter.com.ar [200.10.100.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28547 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:59:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpscha@ns1.sminter.com.ar) Received: (from fpscha@localhost) by ns1.sminter.com.ar (8.8.5/8.8.4) id IAA10488 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:57:15 -0300 (GMT) From: Fernando Schapachnik Message-Id: <199805281157.IAA10488@ns1.sminter.com.ar> Subject: arplook To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:57:15 -0300 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello: I'm getting: ns3 kernel log messages: > arplookup 102.255.209.107 failed: host is not on local network > arplookup 102.255.207.132 failed: host is not on local network > arplookup 102.255.76.88 failed: host is not on local network > arplookup 102.255.154.140 failed: host is not on local network > arplookup 102.255.56.204 failed: host is not on local network > arplookup 102.255.10.0 failed: host is not on local network > arplookup 102.255.30.166 failed: host is not on local network > arplookup 102.255.63.6 failed: host is not on local network [...] I've read in the archives that the cause of this is that someone in my ethernet is telling he is 102.255.x.x. May this be the same case? Is there a way to find who is spreading this info? My machine has 2.2.6, it's main IP is 200.10.104.x/26 and it has an alias in 200.10.102.0/24, an other in 200.10.100.0/24 and more than 50 between 200.10.104.0/26 and 200.10.104.64/26. Thanks and kind regards! PS: Please reply to me, I'm not following hackers. Fernando P. Schapachnik Administracion de la red S&M Internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 05:01:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29018 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:01:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (ek38O9MleacHQm6xH7UehL8S88D4FZOA@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.46.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA28972 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from oak66.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.33.66] ([ZITUN/mjXYTqdxo6w86yyLlG0Cz7h/GZ]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0yf1Mb-0006sb-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:00:53 +0100 Received: from njs3 by oak66.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0yf1Ma-0001fz-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:00:52 +0100 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:00:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Daniel O'Connor" "Star Office Installation" (May 28, 11:20am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On May 28, 11:20am, "Daniel O'Connor" wrote: } Subject: Star Office Installation > Hi, > I have been trying to install Star Office 4, but for some weird reason the > installation binary tries to open /proc//cmdline which doesn't exist in > our version of /proc :( > > Has anyone got this to install, or do I have to hack procfs myself? maybe you can hexedit the binary so that it tries to open /p/pid/cmdline instead. of course this necessitates generating a load of /p/2323/cmdline /p/2324/cmdline of course. perhaps you can also change the binary so it calls getppid instead or perhaps just get it to use a constant pid by replacing the insns which call getpid with ones that movl $0, %eax niall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 05:14:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA00453 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:14:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (yxw5Bz+xwlPTCpQpmNVsNb2e30SSdLvm@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.46.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA00425 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from oak66.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.33.66] ([Rz7iIVxFtzYCf390h0kHJzEMujfh5Keu]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0yf1Z2-0006u6-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:13:44 +0100 Received: from njs3 by oak66.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0yf1Z1-0001h4-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:13:43 +0100 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:13:42 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: allegro lisp Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, AFAIK Allegro Lisp is used by quite a few people who run FreeBSD, therefore I suggest we contact them to inquire about the possibility of helping to ensure that the Linux version works under emulation on FreeBSD. As someone has noted already, 5.0 beta does not work in FreeBSD compatability because it expects a linux /proc filesystem which the emulation layer does not fully support. Perhaps they will consider modifying it to do whatever it is trying to do in a more portable way, or at least one which is compatable with our compatability layer :) If anyone here is friendly with the folks at Franz Inc. or has a support contract with them and is willing to request this of them then please email me. Otherwise I will contact them myself later this week. Regards, Niall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 05:36:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04297 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:36:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04274; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luiz@nlink.com.br) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01223; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:34:12 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:34:12 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cabling problems with etinc? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear ALL, We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks and holding our connection to internet. The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any router? I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this situation? I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than 64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. Luiz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 06:43:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15895 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 06:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15608; Thu, 28 May 1998 06:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id VAA08110; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:41:27 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805281341.VAA08110@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Dom Mitchell cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 08:26:58 +0100." Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:41:27 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dom Mitchell wrote: > Peter Wemm writes: > > Before everybody jumps up and says "use xyzmail[er] instead" or "just > > don't ship anything in the base", I'm not sure that we can do that as > > parts of the base *assume* that sendmail (or a workalike) is present. > > VMailer, exim and smail all go to quite strong lengths to be sendmail > compatible. In particular, I've been using exim for some time (over a > year) as a sendmail replacement and found no faults. It's still GPL'd > though. > > And there's still the massive body of sysadmin inertia that *knows* > sendmail... Yes... Sendmail, for all it's warts, is pretty much a known quantity. > Wouldn't it be easier to just stick with 8.8.8 until the licensing > issues of this latest sendmail can be clarified? Yes, that's pretty much what is happening by default. I have asked the sendmail people twice now about this and still have got no response. I might try sending by fax next. I find it quite ironic that people setting up to sell sendmail don't have a handle on email. > > Maybe it's time to bring back a basic local-only mail transport that gets > > blown away when a real sendmail or comparable (qmail, smail, vmailer, > > exim, etc etc) gets installed from a port. Sigh. > > That's certainly one solution; was one of these things used before? > If so, where can I get a look at it? > > P.S. You left out MMDF. :-) MMDF can go away and die. I've wasted too much of my life fighting MMDF (and often loosing).. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 06:43:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15961 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 06:43:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.stu.neva.ru (root@ns.stu.neva.ru [194.85.96.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15912 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 06:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@stu.neva.ru) Received: from yuri@localhost by ns.stu.neva.ru id <23515-2406>; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:42:15 +0400 Subject: Re: Star Office Installation From: Yuri Shemanin To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:42:03 +0400 (MSD) Reply-To: yuri@neva.ru X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980528134215Z23515-2406+35@ns.stu.neva.ru> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > I have been trying to install Star Office 4, but for some weird reason the > installation binary tries to open /proc//cmdline which doesn't exist in > our version of /proc :( > > Has anyone got this to install, or do I have to hack procfs myself? To force it to install and run: - using some hex editor change "/proc/%u/cmdline" to "/proc/%u/status\0" in Office40_Install/setup.bin binary; - install it; - make the same change in /lib/libsal364.so But I still can't have it understand Russian keyboard :( Regards, Yuri. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 07:25:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21488 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:25:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21464; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:25:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id WAA08282; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:23:26 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805281423.WAA08282@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Peter Wemm cc: Dom Mitchell , current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 21:41:27 +0800." <199805281341.VAA08110@spinner.netplex.com.au> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:23:26 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wrote: > Dom Mitchell wrote: > > Wouldn't it be easier to just stick with 8.8.8 until the licensing > > issues of this latest sendmail can be clarified? > > Yes, that's pretty much what is happening by default. I have asked the > sendmail people twice now about this and still have got no response. I > might try sending by fax next. I find it quite ironic that people setting > up to sell sendmail don't have a handle on email. Argh, I take that back, I shouldn't have uttered such crap, especially when I had a reply in my mailbox that I had not yet seen. (And even if it wasn't, this still wasn't appropriate). My big mouth is really going to get me in trouble sooner or later. So, my apologies, especially to the sendmail folks. (I have had a Really Bad Day, not that it's any excuse). -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 08:15:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27292 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:15:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27276; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02507; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805281525.LAA02507@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:23:11 -0400 To: Luiz de Barros , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com From: Dennis Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:34 AM 5/28/98 -0300, Luiz de Barros wrote: >Dear ALL, > >We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and >are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. >We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL >Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. You say "greater than 64kbs...does that imply that you have it working at lower speeds or on some other connection? If so, there is no difference for the higher speed...you should use EXACTLY the same settings. the board uses the same setting @ 64kbs and 2Mbs. > >We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks >and holding our connection to internet. > >The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco >and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the >V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying >it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any >router? > >I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed >ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put >the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. > >I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i >could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did >anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change >etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this >situation? > >I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i >will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than >64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to >FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but >now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. > >Luiz > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 08:29:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29138 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ver2-101.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29125; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:29:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (telmex@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA23070; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:24:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <356D81FC.4DD7438A@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:25:48 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luiz de Barros CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luiz de Barros wrote: > > Dear ALL, > > We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and > are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. > We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL > Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. > > We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks > and holding our connection to internet. > > The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco > and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the > V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying > it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any > router? Why would you want to connect your etinc card to/through your cisco? Isn't that defeating the purpose? What I would want, would be remove the cisco or if it were necessary for another connection use ethernet between it and my FreeBSD ROUTER. Maybe I'm on another channel, and if I am please desregard the question. ed P.D. I think the problem is cable incompatability. I think Dennis once made that observation on the list. > > I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed > ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put > the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. > > I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i > could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did > anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change > etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this > situation? > > I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i > will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than > 64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to > FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but > now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. > > Luiz > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 09:15:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04367 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lor.watermarkgroup.com (lor.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04351; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:15:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luoqi@lor.watermarkgroup.com) Received: (from luoqi@localhost) by lor.watermarkgroup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15941; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:14:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from luoqi) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:14:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Luoqi Chen Message-Id: <199805281614.MAA15941@lor.watermarkgroup.com> To: doconnor@gsoft.com.au, swindellsr@genrad.co.uk Subject: Re: Star Office Installation Cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > FWIW the latest version of Allegro Common Lisp (5.0 beta) tries to > > read /proc//map and fails. > > Maybe we do need to emulate the Linux procfs as somebody suggested > > last week. > Heh, so what are you waiting for? ;) > > I'm not sure _where_ you put things like that.. Unless we just alter our > procfs. You could make a linux procfs lkm, and mount it under /compat/linux. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | > |http://www.gsoft.com.au | > |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| > |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 10:03:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08842 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:03:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (omega.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08835 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenner@parc.xerox.com) Received: from mango.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.102.232]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <32548(2)>; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:03:12 PDT Received: from mango.parc.xerox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mango.parc.xerox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19375; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:03:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenner@mango.parc.xerox.com) Message-Id: <199805281703.KAA19375@mango.parc.xerox.com> To: Fernando Schapachnik cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arplook In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 04:57:15 PDT." <199805281157.IAA10488@ns1.sminter.com.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19346.896374987.1@mango.parc.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:03:07 PDT From: Bill Fenner Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Are these machines on the same physical wire as you, and are they sending ARP requests for your IP address? (use "tcpdump arp" to see; you might have to reconfigure your kernel with BPF in order to run tcpdump). One explanation for this message is that you received an ARP request for your address from someone who you don't think is on a directly-connected network. BTW, you shouldn't be using network 102 as a private network. RFC1918 lists appropriate addresses for use on private networks. Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 10:14:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11215 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:14:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11201; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luiz@nlink.com.br) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08365; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:11:11 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:11:11 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: Edwin Culp cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? In-Reply-To: <356D81FC.4DD7438A@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Edwin and ALL, I think i was not very clear. We have now a pathrouter here and a Cisco 2509 router on the other side ( The backbone presence provider ). The connection is at 256Kbps via fractional E1. I would like to put one of the ports from etinc ( 0 or 1 ) connected to the CSU/DSU ( Converter ) and take out the cyclades router ( FreeBSD is quite better than a single router ). My CSU/DSU has a V.35 cable that works very fine with no problem if i connect it to a Cyclades, Cisco, IBM router but not with etinc ( putting etinc instead of the router ). I thought it could be a cable incompatibility but it seems quite strange, as all routers work with it. I tryed connecting RXclockA to TxclockA and TxclockB to RxclockB on etinc but it did not work as well. Why should the converter not work with etinc and work with a router? Luiz On Thu, 28 May 1998, Edwin Culp wrote: > Luiz de Barros wrote: > > > > Dear ALL, > > > > We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and > > are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. > > We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL > > Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. > > > > We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks > > and holding our connection to internet. > > > > The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco > > and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the > > V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying > > it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any > > router? > Why would you want to connect your etinc card to/through your cisco? > Isn't that defeating the purpose? What I would want, would be remove > the cisco or if it were necessary for another connection use ethernet > between it and my FreeBSD ROUTER. Maybe I'm on another channel, and > if I am please desregard the question. > > ed > > P.D. I think the problem is cable incompatability. I think Dennis once > made that observation on the list. > > > > I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed > > ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put > > the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. > > > > I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i > > could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did > > anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change > > etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this > > situation? > > > > I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i > > will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than > > 64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to > > FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but > > now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. > > > > Luiz > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 10:29:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13103 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12824; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luiz@nlink.com.br) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08770; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:24:41 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:24:41 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: Dennis cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? In-Reply-To: <199805281525.LAA02507@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have everything working ok at 64Kbps on other connection and a Cyclades connected to a Cisco on the other side at 256Kbps. I would like to connect Etinc instead of cyclades here and it does not work. Luiz On Thu, 28 May 1998, Dennis wrote: > At 09:34 AM 5/28/98 -0300, Luiz de Barros wrote: > >Dear ALL, > > > >We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and > >are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. > >We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL > >Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. > > You say "greater than 64kbs...does that imply that you have it working at > lower > speeds or on some other connection? If so, there is no difference for the > higher > speed...you should use EXACTLY the same settings. the board uses the same > setting @ 64kbs and 2Mbs. > > > >We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks > >and holding our connection to internet. > > > >The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco > >and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the > >V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying > >it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any > >router? > > > >I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed > >ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put > >the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. > > > >I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i > >could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did > >anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change > >etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this > >situation? > > > >I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i > >will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than > >64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to > >FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but > >now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. > > > >Luiz > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 10:32:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13684 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA13627 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA30584 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Thu, 28 May 1998 19:22:30 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id TAA00365 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:25:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805281725.TAA00365@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: opinions on K6 versus P55C in Asus T2P4 To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:25:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm looking for opinions on an AMD K6/233Mc versus an Intel P55C/233 Mc in an Asus T2P4 mainboard. Good/bad ? Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 11:53:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27143 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:53:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27073 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:53:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id UAA00948 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:53:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id TAA28529 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:59:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980528195936.C28513@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:59:36 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980528074618.A26220@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Nicholas Charles Brawn on Thu, May 28, 1998 at 04:28:32PM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4311 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Nicholas Charles Brawn: > I'm running 2.2.6-release with linux emulation, if anyone has any pointers > as to why this is happening, i'd love to know. :) I really don't know, I only run CURRENT... :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #60: Fri May 15 21:04:22 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 11:59:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28562 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28500 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:58:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id UAA01043 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:58:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id TAA28516 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:58:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980528195802.A28513@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:58:02 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980528074618.A26220@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Alfred Perlstein on Thu, May 28, 1998 at 01:54:58AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4311 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Alfred Perlstein: > could you please check your shared mem segments on the next crash? just > ipcs and tell me if you have a LOT of segments lyinh around? also are you > running -stable? -current? It always leave a few dozen shared mem segments laying around. Even when it does exit cleanly. I have a script that wipe out the shared segments after running SO4. -=-=-=- #! /sbin/tcsh set path=(/z/Office40/bin $path) mesg n soffice $* ipcs | awk '/^m/ {print $2}' | xargs -n1 -t ipcrm -m -=-=-=- Use with caution if you have other applications used shmseg. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #60: Fri May 15 21:04:22 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 12:47:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08231 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08208 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00791; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805281842.LAA00791@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 11:20:17 +0930." <199805280150.LAA04636@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:42:12 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > I have been trying to install Star Office 4, but for some weird reason the > installation binary tries to open /proc//cmdline which doesn't exist in > our version of /proc :( > > Has anyone got this to install, or do I have to hack procfs myself? This is a known problem. I am at a complete loss as to why argc/argv aren't good enough for those losers, but you are very welcome to add argument support to procfs. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 13:06:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12946 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:06:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12508; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:05:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00276; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd000274; Thu May 28 20:02:14 1998 Message-ID: <356DC2C3.794BDF32@whistle.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:02:11 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luiz de Barros CC: Edwin Culp , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luiz de Barros wrote: > > Dear Edwin and ALL, > > I think i was not very clear. > We have now a pathrouter here and a Cisco 2509 router on the other side ( > The backbone presence provider ). The connection is at 256Kbps via > fractional E1. > I would like to put one of the ports from etinc ( 0 or 1 ) connected to > the CSU/DSU ( Converter ) and take out the cyclades router ( FreeBSD is > quite better than a single router ). > My CSU/DSU has a V.35 cable that works very fine with no problem if i > connect it to a Cyclades, Cisco, IBM router but not with etinc ( putting > etinc instead of the router ). > I thought it could be a cable incompatibility but it seems quite strange, > as all routers work with it. I tryed connecting RXclockA to TxclockA and > TxclockB to RxclockB on etinc but it did not work as well. Why should the > converter not work with etinc and work with a router? > > Luiz >From memory etinc used a slightly non standard pinout. to make an etinc cable work on a standard router: on the DB25 end you need to have the wire that goes to 11 go to 13 instead and the wire that goes to pin 17 go to 23 instead and the wir ethat goes to 9 should go to 17 obviously, reverse these to get a standard cable to work on an etinc card. At least that's what I have in my notes.. I once needed a DB25 to V35 cable and had an etinc card so I canibalised it's cable. I needed to make these changes (or something similar) to make it work on a router. so the answer is: Use the etinc cable on the etinc board and don't get it confused or mixed in with the other cables or you'll give yourself trouble. julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 13:14:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14953 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14859 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:13:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00998; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805281908.MAA00998@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Ollivier Robert cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 07:46:18 +0200." <19980528074618.A26220@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:08:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > According to Daniel O'Connor: > > Has anyone got this to install, or do I have to hack procfs myself? > > I'm really surprised. I installed SO4 a few months ago (when 4.0 release > came out) and it didn't puke like this. They've updated it. I don't have any confirmation, but I suspect that it may now be a glibc rather that libc5 build. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 13:16:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15521 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:16:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15407 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:15:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01023; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805281910.MAA01023@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bill Fenner cc: Darren Reed , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd on compaqs In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 23:54:40 PDT." <199805280654.XAA01205@mango.parc.xerox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:10:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <199805280443.VAA28178@hub.freebsd.org>you write: > >will freebsd run on Compaq Deskpro's with builtin UTP (10/100) ? > > I'm using Bill Paul's brand new driver for the Thunderlan. It's > working fairly well, but there's no release with this driver in > it, so installing from scratch will be a trick. The next -SNAP CD will have this, or you can get one from current.freebsd.org. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 13:21:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17198 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:21:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17101 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01056; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805281914.MAA01056@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: Nicholas Charles Brawn , Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 16:29:59 +0930." <199805280659.QAA09269@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:14:41 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I recently d/l the 4.0 distribution and it puked at me when i tried to > > run it. The error message was "Abort Trap". > > > > I'm running 2.2.6-release with linux emulation, if anyone has any pointers > > as to why this is happening, i'd love to know. :) > That's the error message I get. > > Here is the end of a linux_kdump of the setup.bin file - > 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/compat/linux/usr/home/darius/projects/Office40_Install/setup.ini" > 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/usr/home/darius/projects/Office40_Install/setup.ini" > 2584 setup.bin RET linux_newstat JUSTRETURN > 2584 setup.bin CALL getpid > 2584 setup.bin RET getpid 2584/0xa18 > 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_open(0xefbfc8f0,0x800,0) > 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/compat/linux/proc/2584/cmdline" > 2584 setup.bin NAMI "/proc/2584/cmdline" > 2584 setup.bin RET linux_open JUSTRETURN > 2584 setup.bin PSIG SIGSEGV caught handler=0x835e794 mask=0x0 code=0xc This is the real error. I suspect that they do something like: FILE *fp; char *ap, argbuf[1024]; ... ap = asprintf("/proc/%d/cmdline", getpid()); fp = fopen(ap, "r"); fread(argbuf, sizeof(argbuf), 1, fp); so fp is NULL and unchecked, which is arguably poor programming. > 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_sigprocmask(0x1,0xefbfcc0c,0) > 2584 setup.bin RET linux_sigprocmask 0 > 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_sigaction(0x6,0xefbfcb74,0xefbfcb64) > 2584 setup.bin RET linux_sigaction 0 > 2584 setup.bin CALL getpid > 2584 setup.bin RET getpid 2584/0xa18 > 2584 setup.bin CALL linux_kill(0xa18,0x6) > 2584 setup.bin PSIG SIGIOT SIG_DFL > 2584 setup.bin NAMI "setup.bin.core" > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | > |http://www.gsoft.com.au | > |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| > |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 13:43:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21922 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21871 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA05695; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:45:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:45:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: IBS / Andre Oppermann cc: Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Lab In-Reply-To: <35693132.9EC24CCA@pipeline.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 25 May 1998, IBS / Andre Oppermann wrote: > Filesystem: > FFS soft-updates > NFS Locking > vinum > CODA > RAIDframe > RIO > IDA FFS (i.e. Flash File System :-)) non-IDE flash bootblock Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 13:55:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24479 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:55:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24411 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:55:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA08432; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:56:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:56:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: Julian Elischer , Nicholas Charles Brawn , Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux emulation failure (was Star-office) In-Reply-To: <199805280845.SAA09947@cain.gsoft.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 28 May 1998, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > try truss, as that gives better information under linux emulation I'm > > told. > OK, I'll give it a go I kinda remember from some linux talk that they started to use glibc in the newest SO4.0 release instead of normal linux libc... This could be the cause. Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 14:16:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27356 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:16:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27304 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:16:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id XAA08283 for FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:16:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id VAA12579 for FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:53:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980528215301.A12546@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:53:01 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: opinions on K6 versus P55C in Asus T2P4 Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD hackers list References: <199805281725.TAA00365@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: <199805281725.TAA00365@yedi.iaf.nl>; from Wilko Bulte on Thu, May 28, 1998 at 07:25:14PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4311 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Wilko Bulte: > I'm looking for opinions on an AMD K6/233Mc versus an Intel P55C/233 Mc > in an Asus T2P4 mainboard. The K6 will be faster on integer operations and slower on floating point ones. I've been using a K6 for one year and am extremely happy with it. The L1 cache is bigger (64 KB vs 32 KB). ASUS T2P4 rev.3.1, bus @ 75 MHz. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #60: Fri May 15 21:04:22 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 14:24:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28858 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:24:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28848 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01468; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805282017.NAA01468@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , Julian Elischer , Nicholas Charles Brawn , Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux emulation failure (was Star-office) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 22:56:22 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:17:23 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, 28 May 1998, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > > try truss, as that gives better information under linux emulation I'm > > > told. > > OK, I'll give it a go > > I kinda remember from some linux talk that they started to use glibc in > the newest SO4.0 release instead of normal linux libc... This could be the > cause. Thanks for the confirmation; the bogon is about right for glibc's generally pretty poor standard. I wonder what the SCO people are doing, now that they have given up on a source-level compatibility and are chasing Linux binary compatibility. I guess I should do something with the ODT pile here. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 14:27:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29300 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29236 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id XAA08681 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:26:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id XAA12847 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:25:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980528232522.A12785@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:25:22 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980528074618.A26220@keltia.freenix.fr> <199805281908.MAA00998@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: <199805281908.MAA00998@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Thu, May 28, 1998 at 12:08:10PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4311 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Mike Smith: > They've updated it. I don't have any confirmation, but I suspect that > it may now be a glibc rather that libc5 build. I recently checked if my own copy was the same as the latest one and found I was indeed running the latest... -rw-r--r-- 1 roberto staff 45482226 Mar 14 02:05 so40_lnx_01.tar.gz -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #60: Fri May 15 21:04:22 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 17:04:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28677 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:04:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28660 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13058 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:04:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199805290004.RAA13058@austin.polstra.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem resolutions... In-Reply-To: <19980523014332.46600@follo.net> References: <19980522221149.45847@follo.net> <6128.895868432@time.cdrom.com> <19980522155349.24896@the.oneinsane.net> <19980523014332.46600@follo.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:04:05 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > 1. Cvsup > > 2. make world > > 3. config > > 4. make depend > > 5. make > > 6. make install > > 7. sync > > 8. sync > > 9. shutdown -r now > > > > This has always worked for me and nevr failed. So if I am doing something > > wrong I would like to know. > > No, it should be fine (except you don't need point 8.). You don't need point 7, either. :-) But if it makes you feel better to sync, then the time-honored incantation is: sync sync sync :-) John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 17:12:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00915 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:12:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00867 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:12:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13242; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199805290012.RAA13242@austin.polstra.com> To: danj@3skel.com Subject: Re: Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle... In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:12:18 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Dan Janowski wrote: > > The odd part is that I hadn't noticed this before. I > just upgraded to 2.2.6 from 2.2.1. Maybe it's X or some > other daemon that is running differently. The "asclock" program is the usual offender. Take a peek at its source code and you'll see why. :-O -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 17:18:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01778 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01596 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:16:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA02033; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:45:54 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805290015.JAA02033@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Julian Elischer cc: Nicholas Charles Brawn , Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux emulation failure (was Star-office) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 01:16:08 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:45:54 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > may not realise it had an error. > try truss, as that gives better information under linux emulation I'm > told. I tried it, but I didn't get anything useful out of it compared to kdump. --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 17:21:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02440 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:21:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02214 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:19:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA02059; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:49:24 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805290019.JAA02059@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 13:00:52 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:49:23 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Has anyone got this to install, or do I have to hack procfs myself? > maybe you can hexedit the binary so that it tries to open /p/pid/cmdline > instead. of course this necessitates generating a load of /p/2323/cmdline > /p/2324/cmdline of course. perhaps you can also change the binary so > it calls getppid instead or perhaps just get it to use a constant pid > by replacing the insns which call getpid with ones that movl $0, %eax Eeew.. possible but yucky ;) Maybe if I email the Star Office people they'll tell me why :) Buit seriously, I think I'd prefer to change procfs since it would be more useful, and probably not take much longer than hexediting the binary :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 18:05:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12255 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bangkok.office.cdsnet.net (bangkok.office.cdsnet.net [204.118.245.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12235 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:05:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cts@bangkok.office.cdsnet.net) Received: (from cts@localhost) by bangkok.office.cdsnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA29880; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805290105.SAA29880@bangkok.office.cdsnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig Spannring To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem resolutions... In-Reply-To: <199805290004.RAA13058@austin.polstra.com> References: <19980522221149.45847@follo.net> <6128.895868432@time.cdrom.com> <19980522155349.24896@the.oneinsane.net> <19980523014332.46600@follo.net> <199805290004.RAA13058@austin.polstra.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under Emacs 20.2.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Polstra writes: > But if it makes you feel better to sync, then the time-honored > incantation is: > > sync > sync > sync Three shall be the count of the sync and the count of the sync shall be three. . . . 1 (sync) 2 (sync) 5 (sync) Three sire. Reboot. -- ======================================================================= Life is short. | Craig Spannring Ski hard, Bike fast. | cts@internetcds.com --------------------------------+------------------------------------ Any sufficiently perverted technology is indistinguishable from Perl. ======================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 19:50:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAB00969 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:50:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.sminter.com.ar (ns1.sminter.com.ar [200.10.100.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00897 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpscha@ns1.sminter.com.ar) Received: (from fpscha@localhost) by ns1.sminter.com.ar (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA24161; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:46:46 -0300 (GMT) From: Fernando Schapachnik Message-Id: <199805290246.XAA24161@ns1.sminter.com.ar> Subject: Re: arplook To: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:46:46 -0300 (GMT) Cc: fpscha@ns1.sminter.com.ar, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805281703.KAA19375@mango.parc.xerox.com> from "Bill Fenner" at May 28, 98 10:03:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG En un mensaje anterior, Bill Fenner escribió: > > Are these machines on the same physical wire as you, and are they > sending ARP requests for your IP address? (use "tcpdump arp" to > see; you might have to reconfigure your kernel with BPF in order > to run tcpdump). One explanation for this message is that you > received an ARP request for your address from someone who you don't > think is on a directly-connected network. > > BTW, you shouldn't be using network 102 as a private network. > RFC1918 lists appropriate addresses for use on private networks. The problem is that there are no machines on my entire network with IP on net 102. My IPs are 200.10.100.0-200.10.105.255. Thanks! > > Bill > Fernando P. Schapachnik Administracion de la red S&M Internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 19:54:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01697 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:54:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (omega.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01689 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:54:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenner@parc.xerox.com) Received: from mango.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.102.232]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <32627(2)>; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:53:55 PDT Received: (from fenner@localhost) by mango.parc.xerox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20481; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenner) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:53:50 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <199805290253.TAA20481@mango.parc.xerox.com> To: fenner@parc.xerox.com, fpscha@ns1.sminter.com.ar Subject: Re: arplook Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805290246.XAA24161@ns1.sminter.com.ar> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My only suggestion is to try using tcpdump and see if you see any ARP packets which correspond to the messages that get logged. Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 21:59:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21641 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:59:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newserv.urc.ac.ru (newserv.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21421 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Received: from urc.ac.ru (y.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.37]) by newserv.urc.ac.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06230; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:53:46 +0600 (ESS) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Message-ID: <356E3F5A.E362605D@urc.ac.ru> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:53:46 +0600 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: South Ural Regional Center of FREEnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Polstra CC: danj@3skel.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load avg 0.33 and 99.2% idle... References: <199805290012.RAA13242@austin.polstra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Polstra wrote: > > In article ?Pine.BSF.3.96.980527161836.7655A-100000@fnur.3skel.com?, > Dan Janowski ?danj@3skel.com? wrote: > ? > ? The odd part is that I hadn't noticed this before. I > ? just upgraded to 2.2.6 from 2.2.1. Maybe it's X or some > ? other daemon that is running differently. > > The "asclock" program is the usual offender. Take a peek at its > source code and you'll see why. :-O Possibly an old asclock. I run manually (not from ports) compiled AfterStep-1.4.5.4, and voila: last pid: 3388; load averages: 0.05, 0.20, 0.15 10:48:00 48 processes: 1 running, 47 sleeping CPU states: 0.8% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 99.2% idle Mem: 31M Active, 5348K Inact, 14M Wired, 5352K Cache, 7549K Buf, 5544K Free Swap: 128M Total, 11M Used, 117M Free, 9% Inuse PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 222 root 2 0 8432K 14052K select 98:08 0.80% 0.80% XF86_SVGA 3344 joy 2 0 17408K 15516K select 1:35 0.61% 0.61% communicator-4 3388 joy 28 0 828K 824K RUN 0:00 0.35% 0.11% top 1447 joy 10 0 212K 504K nanslp 0:59 0.00% 0.00% asclock 4 root 18 0 0K 0K syncer 0:19 0.00% 0.00% syncer -- Konstantin V. Chuguev. System administrator of Southern http://www.urc.ac.ru/~joy/ Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, mailto:joy@urc.ac.ru Chelyabinsk, Russia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 28 23:49:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15420 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:49:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15379 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:49:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01057; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:48:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805290648.HAA01057@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Fernando Schapachnik cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arplook In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 08:57:15 -0300." <199805281157.IAA10488@ns1.sminter.com.ar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:48:52 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Are you running dhcpc on any of your machines ? > Hello: > I'm getting: > > ns3 kernel log messages: > > arplookup 102.255.209.107 failed: host is not on local network > > arplookup 102.255.207.132 failed: host is not on local network > > arplookup 102.255.76.88 failed: host is not on local network > > arplookup 102.255.154.140 failed: host is not on local network > > arplookup 102.255.56.204 failed: host is not on local network > > arplookup 102.255.10.0 failed: host is not on local network > > arplookup 102.255.30.166 failed: host is not on local network > > arplookup 102.255.63.6 failed: host is not on local network > [...] > > I've read in the archives that the cause of this is that someone > in my ethernet is telling he is 102.255.x.x. May this be the same case? > Is there a way to find who is spreading this info? > > My machine has 2.2.6, it's main IP is 200.10.104.x/26 and it has > an alias in 200.10.102.0/24, an other in 200.10.100.0/24 and more than 50 > between 200.10.104.0/26 and 200.10.104.64/26. > > Thanks and kind regards! > > > PS: Please reply to me, I'm not following hackers. > > > Fernando P. Schapachnik > Administracion de la red > S&M Internet -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 02:03:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11389 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dove.peace.com.my (peace.com.my [202.184.153.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11083 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:02:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from panda@peace.com.my) Received: from lovebox (love.com.my [202.184.153.17]) by dove.peace.com.my (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA12020 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:43:41 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:43:41 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980529170547.00959a70@peace.com.my> X-Sender: panda@peace.com.my X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: chas Subject: Modifying calls to getpwnam() to use an external file Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for troubling you all with a question that reveals my ignorance of C (I make no pretenses otherwise) but I have to put a FreeBSD machine live tomorrow morning and there is one part of the system that still needs customising : I'm trying to get Cyrus IMAPd to use a different shadow password file. Since it seems to be using getpwnam(), I have been trying this : 1. In the Cyrus source code, replace all calls to getpwnam() with my own function fgetpwnam("/etc/master.passwd.cyrus", arg) 2. Add '#include "fgetpwnam.h"' to files that will use fgetpwnam() 3. Write fgetpwnam.h - yep, that's the bit that's making me regret the day I put K&R down. Anyway, based on boilerplate Stevens and much help from a linux guy. fgetpwnam.h is : ---------------- /* error msg */ char *pwerrmsg; /* main function */ struct passwd *fgetpwnam(char *fn,char *name); and fgetpwnam.c is : -------------------- #include #include #include #include struct passwd *getpwnam(char *fn ,char *name) { FILE *f; f=fopen(fn,"r"); if(!f){ pwerrmsg="Cannot open file."; return NULL; } while(p=fgetpwent(f)!=NULL){ if(strcmp(name, p->pw_name) == 0) break; } fclose(f); if(!p){ pwerrmsg="User not found."; } else { pwerrmsg="Ok."; } return p; } But yes, now this means rewriting fgetpwent() to take a file name argument instead of void :-( And now I'm getting lost. So, is there an easy way to do this ? I had hoped it would be something as simple as changing pwd.h since global directories seem to be in there but it seems that getpwnam() and getpwent() are hardcoded to the standard files. Certain that the ability to use an alternative password file is something that others have desired long before now, has anyone got a simple A,B,C on the steps ? Then again, if I've missed the obvious : the bottomline really is "how do I get any program to authenticate against /etc/master.passwd.alternative instead of /etc/master.passwd ? Creation of the alternative shadow files is not a problem. Thank you very much, chas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 04:13:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12057 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:13:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11898 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <199805291112.EAA11898@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA116830341; Fri, 29 May 1998 21:12:21 +1000 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: freebsd on compaqs To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:12:21 +1000 (EST) Cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805281910.MAA01023@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at May 28, 98 12:10:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In some mail from Mike Smith, sie said: > > > In message <199805280443.VAA28178@hub.freebsd.org>you write: > > >will freebsd run on Compaq Deskpro's with builtin UTP (10/100) ? > > > > I'm using Bill Paul's brand new driver for the Thunderlan. It's > > working fairly well, but there's no release with this driver in > > it, so installing from scratch will be a trick. > > The next -SNAP CD will have this, or you can get one from > current.freebsd.org. Does that include the current boot.flp ? Darren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 05:12:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07709 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:12:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.sminter.com.ar (ns1.sminter.com.ar [200.10.100.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA07639 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:12:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpscha@ns1.sminter.com.ar) Received: (from fpscha@localhost) by ns1.sminter.com.ar (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA17437; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:06:03 -0300 (GMT) From: Fernando Schapachnik Message-Id: <199805291206.JAA17437@ns1.sminter.com.ar> Subject: Re: arplook To: brian@Awfulhak.org (Brian Somers) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:06:03 -0300 (GMT) Cc: fpscha@ns1.sminter.com.ar, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805290648.HAA01057@awfulhak.org> from "Brian Somers" at May 29, 98 07:48:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG En un mensaje anterior, Brian Somers escribió: > > Are you running dhcpc on any of your machines ? No. I will make a tcpdump arp, but for this I have to recompile my kernel, and this is the kind of things that you DON'T do a Friday! :) I'll come back to you when I have this. Thanks! > > > Hello: > > I'm getting: > > > > ns3 kernel log messages: > > > arplookup 102.255.209.107 failed: host is not on local network > > > arplookup 102.255.207.132 failed: host is not on local network > > > arplookup 102.255.76.88 failed: host is not on local network > > > arplookup 102.255.154.140 failed: host is not on local network > > > arplookup 102.255.56.204 failed: host is not on local network > > > arplookup 102.255.10.0 failed: host is not on local network > > > arplookup 102.255.30.166 failed: host is not on local network > > > arplookup 102.255.63.6 failed: host is not on local network > > [...] > > > > I've read in the archives that the cause of this is that someone > > in my ethernet is telling he is 102.255.x.x. May this be the same case? > > Is there a way to find who is spreading this info? > > > > My machine has 2.2.6, it's main IP is 200.10.104.x/26 and it has > > an alias in 200.10.102.0/24, an other in 200.10.100.0/24 and more than 50 > > between 200.10.104.0/26 and 200.10.104.64/26. > > > > Thanks and kind regards! > > > > > > PS: Please reply to me, I'm not following hackers. > > > > > > Fernando P. Schapachnik > > Administracion de la red > > S&M Internet > > -- > Brian , , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > > Fernando P. Schapachnik Administracion de la red S&M Internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 05:44:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21317 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA21233 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:43:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA08966; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:42:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:42:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: Mike Smith cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-Reply-To: <199805281842.LAA00791@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 28 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > This is a known problem. I am at a complete loss as to why argc/argv > aren't good enough for those losers, but you are very welcome to add > argument support to procfs. folks: Star Office is making this available for free, i.e. at cost to their company since porting it is not free. Let's not beat up on them too hard, eh? It's a nice piece of work. thanks ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 07:02:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03297 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:02:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ais.ais-gwd.com (root@ais.ais-gwd.com [205.160.97.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03213 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:02:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from charlespeters@ais-gwd.com) Received: from ci1000971-a.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com (ci1000971-a.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com [24.4.113.113]) by ais.ais-gwd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06706 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805291407.KAA06706@ais.ais-gwd.com> From: "Charles A. Peters" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:08:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Apache Questions? Reply-to: charlespeters@tecpro.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I know that this is not an Apache mailing list, but I am having some trouble setting up Apache on my FreeBSD 2.2.6 server. I was wondering if anybody knew of an apache mailing list or news group that I could post questions to, or can some of these questions be handled here. Thanks, Charles charlespeters@tecpro.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 07:17:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10959 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA10759 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:17:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA27738; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:36:09 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805291236.OAA27738@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: flags for media selection on "ed" card ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:36:09 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have a no-name PCMCIA ne2000 clone which works fine with 226+PAO, but defaults to use the UTP port. Is there a way to control the transceiver type on the ed driver ? It seems not to support "media" commands, and the link0, link1 and link2 seem to have no noticeable effect thanks luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 07:27:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA16333 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA16301 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:26:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Fri May 29 09:26 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA13450 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:26:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:32:54 -0400 Message-ID: To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What to do with this thing ?! Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:32:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I have brought the SCSI-over-FastEthernet project to the working prototype stage. And that brought a big question, what to do with it ? Actually, there are three questions that need further explanation. But first I shall explain the project, its purposes and weaknesses. The idea is to tunnel the SCSI transfers over the FastEthernet thus extending the possible maximal cable length dramatically. The configuration would look like: SCSI Ethernet SCSI (host)====(converter,master)--------(converter,slave)====(disk) any FreeBSD FreeBSD any Using split SCSI transfers and tag queuing allows to make this kind of configuration rather efficient. Why would anyone want an extension of this kind ? There exists a class of paranoia requiring the master and backup servers be located as far from each other as possible to protect from disasters like fire. Sure, the automatic fire fighting systems do exist but would a computer work soon after a freon bath or covered by lots of dust from smoke generators ? The company where I worked earlier was infected by this kind of paranoia and we had to break the high availability cluster to break up the servers. And I know a whole class of companies in Russia to which this paranoia is inherent. A nice solution would be to use configuration like this: SCSI Ethernet SCSI (host)=====(converter)-----(converter)=====(backup host) | | (disks) (disks) mirror 1 mirror 2 thus having the backup host and the second copy of data in a supposedly safe location and electrically disconnected from the master host. Possible variations may include using the slave part of converter as the disk box as well, SCSI ID/LUN translations in converter, striping, load balancing over several Ethernet connections, mirroring done inside the converter and so on. So, about 1.5 years ago I have started this project as commercial with backup solution of converting it to non-commercial :-) Many things occurred since then, there were lots of organizational problems and since I came to US over half a year ago it was in comatose state at all. Recently I bought a computer and finally finished the working prototype. Since the start of project the Fibre Channel technology became reality, absolutely superior to this project, although, may be, a bit more expensive. And I absolutely don't know anything about the typical paranoias in US companies. So, the first question is: does anybody see any commercial perspectives for this project ? May be in the low-end server market ? May be, for non-Unix servers ? If yes, I would like to hear any offers :-) The second question is: does anybody see any usefulness of this project in whole as free software, a FreeBSD-based application ? Can it benefit the FreeBSD project in some way ? The third question is about using parts of this technology in FreeBSD. Such as a generic target SCSI driver, a SCSI disk device emulator that can be useful for SCSI driver debugging, a pseudo-SCSI device that can wrap the commands to some handler, an IP-over-SCSI implementation. The last one may be used, for example, as a very fast 40MB/s or 80MB/s (with Ultra-2 Wide SCSI, peak raw throughput) network for a distributed computing cluster or a kind of a "backplane" for a router based on such a cluster. With two Ultra-2 Wide SCSI buses the raw peak bandwidth of this backplane would be 1.2Gbit/s :-) Does anybody has any ideas or wish lists ? -Sergey Babkin babkin@bellatlantic.net sab123@hotmail.com sbabkin@dcn.att.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 07:35:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20170 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:35:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw.jmrodgers.com (gw.jmrodgers.com [205.247.224.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20112 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:35:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: from max.jmrodgers.com (max.jmrodgers.com [205.247.224.209]) by gw.jmrodgers.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA20681; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:34:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:34:19 -0400 Message-ID: <01BD8AED.566231C0.meuston@jmrodgers.com> From: Max Euston To: "'Craig Spannring'" , "hackers@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Problem resolutions... Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:34:17 -0400 Organization: J.M. Rodgers Co., Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, May 28, 1998 9:06 PM, Craig Spannring [SMTP:cts@internetcds.com] wrote: > Three shall be the count of the sync and the count of the sync shall > be three. > . > . > . > 1 (sync) > 2 (sync) > 5 (sync) > Three sire. > Reboot. ROTF - LOL Much Thanks!!! - (I love Fridays) Max --- Max Euston To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 08:01:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29681 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA29402 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lutz@muc.de) Received: from tavari.muc.de ([193.174.4.22]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <140557-1>; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:33:48 +0200 Received: from muc.de (abraxas [192.168.42.5]) by tavari.muc.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA20133; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:08:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <356E50DB.964697E1@muc.de> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:08:27 +0200 From: Lutz Albers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ollivier Robert CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation References: <19980528074618.A26220@keltia.freenix.fr> <199805281908.MAA00998@dingo.cdrom.com> <19980528232522.A12785@keltia.freenix.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ollivier Robert wrote: > > According to Mike Smith: > > They've updated it. I don't have any confirmation, but I suspect that > > it may now be a glibc rather that libc5 build. > > I recently checked if my own copy was the same as the latest one and found > I was indeed running the latest... > > -rw-r--r-- 1 roberto staff 45482226 Mar 14 02:05 so40_lnx_01.tar.gz Nope, they released a new build (the one they shipped on CD-ROM). I can send you the readme.txt on that version. It fixes some bugs with some X11 servers. ciao lutz -- Lutz Albers, lutz@muc.de Do not take life too seriously, you will never get out of it alive. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 08:03:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01222 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:03:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01035 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:03:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24388; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:03:08 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA27962; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:02:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980529170133.61965@follo.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:01:33 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Luigi Rizzo , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: flags for media selection on "ed" card ? References: <199805291236.OAA27738@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805291236.OAA27738@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Fri, May 29, 1998 at 02:36:09PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 29, 1998 at 02:36:09PM +0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Hi, > > I have a no-name PCMCIA ne2000 clone which works fine with 226+PAO, > but defaults to use the UTP port. Is there a way to control the > transceiver type on the ed driver ? It seems not to support "media" > commands, and the link0, link1 and link2 seem to have no noticeable > effect All the ones I've ever had anything to do with (many brands) have had working auto-select, with no driver magic. I know of no way to force the selection from the driver. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 08:08:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02977 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:08:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02887 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:08:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07744; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:08:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <356ECF6A.B22094FB@tdx.co.uk> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:08:26 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: charlespeters@tecpro.com CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Apache Questions? References: <199805291407.KAA06706@ais.ais-gwd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Charles A. Peters wrote: > > I know that this is not an Apache mailing list, but I am having some > trouble setting up Apache on my FreeBSD 2.2.6 server. I was > wondering if anybody knew of an apache mailing list or news group > that I could post questions to, or can some of these questions be > handled here. > > Thanks, > > Charles > www.apache.org has a whole ream of information on apache, including specific FAQ entries for BSD (or related) problems etc. - See if any of the problems your having are covered their? Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 08:45:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22131 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schubert.Promo.DE (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22034 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:44:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from d254.promo.de (d254.Promo.DE [194.45.188.254]) by schubert.Promo.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA05956; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:40:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:42:39 +0200 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What to do with this thing ?! Message-ID: <1529897.3105452559@d254.promo.de> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a4, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --On Fre, 29. Mai 1998 10:32 Uhr -0400 sbabkin@dcn.att.com wrote: > I have brought the SCSI-over-FastEthernet project to the working > prototype stage. And that brought a big question, what to do with > it ? > Does anybody has any ideas or wish lists ? Yes: supporting access to devices across a network, prossibly from different OSes. Just as an example: a typical graphics designer studio needs to access all kinds of removable media devices for file exchange (Zip, Jaz, SyQuest, you name it). Instead of carrying around these drives, or buying lots of them, a "SCSI server" could offer these to clients. The "correct" solution would be to mount the media locally, however: - we don't have a "vold" (or comparable) - we don't support Mac HFS or HFS+, or FAT32, NTFS, or HPFS (as a mountable file system) Access to these file systems would then be provided by netatalk and samba. Using the "SCSI server" instead, each OS can access the disk directly, with it's own native FS implementation. This system would allow for only one client per device, or possibly single writer/multi reader, and the server would have to arbitrate between clients mounting the devices. Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 08:48:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23332 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:48:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles328.castles.com [208.214.167.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23237 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02663; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805291443.HAA02663@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Ron G. Minnich" cc: Mike Smith , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 May 1998 08:42:37 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:43:34 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, 28 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > This is a known problem. I am at a complete loss as to why argc/argv > > aren't good enough for those losers, but you are very welcome to add > > argument support to procfs. > > > folks: Star Office is making this available for free, i.e. at cost to their > company since porting it is not free. Let's not beat up on them too hard, > eh? It's a nice piece of work. StarOffice are making it available as an advertising measure. It was ported at Caldera's expense, not out of StarDivision's generosity. My invective was actually directed at the current Linux libc fiasco, where are tolerable and relatively well sorted library (their old libc) is being abandoned for a buggy, inefficient, bloated monstrosity (glibc). Tricks like the above are fairly indicative of it's general quality, and we can expect problems in the emulation domain at least equivalent to those in the Linux a.out -> ELF upgrade timeframe. If you have more Linux exposure, I'll just say "RedHat 5.0". -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 08:50:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23862 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA23588 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:49:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA27851; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:08:44 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805291408.QAA27851@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: flags for media selection on "ed" card ? To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:08:44 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980529170133.61965@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at May 29, 98 05:01:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I have a no-name PCMCIA ne2000 clone which works fine with 226+PAO, > > but defaults to use the UTP port. Is there a way to control the > > transceiver type on the ed driver ? It seems not to support "media" > > commands, and the link0, link1 and link2 seem to have no noticeable > > effect > > All the ones I've ever had anything to do with (many brands) have had are those PCMCIA or ISA/PCI ? my experience with the latter is similarly good, but unfortunately, this PCMCIA card seems not to react to switching media. As a comment, i have to say that in if_ed.c there is a flag (from the device config only, unfortunately) for the HP PC Lan+ to set the AUI or TP, that's why I asked if someone might have similar patches for some other card... thanks anyways luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 09:03:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28403 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.seidata.com (ns1.seidata.com [208.10.211.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28321 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:02:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@seidata.com) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by ns1.seidata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21113; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:01:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike To: Brian Somers cc: Fernando Schapachnik , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: arplook In-Reply-To: <199805290648.HAA01057@awfulhak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 29 May 1998, Brian Somers wrote: [snip] > > > arplookup 102.255.209.107 failed: host is not on local network > > > arplookup 102.255.207.132 failed: host is not on local network [snip] I've encountered this as well... I asked a guru contact of mine and this is what he had to say: > Also, looking over 'messages' on ns1 today and I have some questions > about the following errors: > > 'arplookup 1.2.3.45 failed: host is not on local network' > > I think we established that this one was related to improper usage of > subnet masks before... I'm getting sick of seeing dmesg flooded with > these. Is this definately a subnet/subnet mask issue? This is actually caused because the server has some IP addresses from 1.2.3.X on it and so it believes it should be able to create an arp entry for 1.2.3.45 but then notices that it can't because it isn't on the same network :) The solution is to move 1.2.3.45 to the 4.5.6 subnet along with every other device on the LAN there... 1 LAN, 1 subnet... thats the goal. This raises the issues of virtual addresses and async addresses also... but I'd definately start with the actual LAN devices. Move every ethernet device to the 4.5.6 subnet. Routing will work better, accesses will be quicker, etc... 'ns1' is on the '4.5.6' class C with 30-40 '1.2.3' aliases. Hope it helps... --- Mike Hoskins Email: mike@seidata.com SEI Data Network Services, Inc. WWW: http://www.seidata.com P.O. Box 7, 14005 U.S. 50 (BLD2) Voice: 800.925.6746 ex. 251 Dillsboro, IN 47018 Fax: 812.744.8000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 09:14:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02480 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:14:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.seidata.com (ns1.seidata.com [208.10.211.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02336 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:13:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@seidata.com) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by ns1.seidata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA23384; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike To: charlespeters@tecpro.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Apache Questions? In-Reply-To: <199805291407.KAA06706@ais.ais-gwd.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 29 May 1998, Charles A. Peters wrote: > I know that this is not an Apache mailing list, but I am having some > trouble setting up Apache on my FreeBSD 2.2.6 server. I was Other than the Apache FAQ (apache.org) and O'reilly's Apache book, I don't know of any resources (although I'm sure they exist). I'm sure general questions could be answered here, but perhaps the questions would be more appropriate? -mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 09:14:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02544 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:14:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from huset.math.ntnu.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02447 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:14:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arnej@stud.math.ntnu.no) Message-Id: <199805291614.JAA02447@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (qmail 11553 invoked from network); 29 May 1998 16:14:12 -0000 Received: from huset.math.ntnu.no (HELO stud.math.ntnu.no) (129.241.211.212) by huset.math.ntnu.no with SMTP; 29 May 1998 16:14:12 -0000 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Arne H Juul Subject: MANDEPEND X-Mailer: Mew version 1.54 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:14:12 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What is the MANDEPEND macro in the system makefiles supposed to do and be used for? I've tried to trace through the makefiles that use it and bsd.man.mk/bsd.prog.mk etc and still I can't see any case where it will make a difference - the contents of the macro are always present in the targets they should be anyway. Just to see if I was missing something I tried removing it and it didn't cause any problems for me at least, neither when doing "make" nor "make install" nor "make clean". (I've appended the patch for -current, in case others want to test it, though most of my testing has been done on my RELENG_2_2 build machine). Maybe it's just historical now? - Arne H. J. Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/addftinfo/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/addftinfo/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:15 1.4 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:25 @@ -6,8 +6,7 @@ LDADD+= ${LIBGROFF} DPADD+= ${LIBGROFF} -MANDEPEND= addftinfo.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= addftinfo.1 .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/grodvi/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/grodvi/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:34 1.5 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:25 @@ -6,8 +6,7 @@ LDADD+= ${LIBDRIVER} ${LIBGROFF} -lm DPADD+= ${LIBDRIVER} ${LIBGROFF} ${LIBM} -MANDEPEND= grodvi.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= grodvi.1 .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/groff/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/groff/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:35 1.5 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:25 @@ -6,8 +6,5 @@ LDADD+= ${LIBGROFF} -lm DPADD+= ${LIBGROFF} ${LIBM} -MANDEPEND= groff.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} - .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/grolj4/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/grolj4/Makefile,v retrieving revision 2.1.1.1 diff -u -r2.1.1.1 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:21:15 2.1.1.1 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:25 @@ -6,8 +6,7 @@ LDADD+= ${LIBDRIVER} ${LIBGROFF} -lm DPADD+= ${LIBDRIVER} ${LIBGROFF} ${LIBM} -MANDEPEND= grolj4.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= grolj4.1 .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/grops/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/grops/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:36 1.5 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:25 @@ -6,8 +6,7 @@ LDADD+= ${LIBDRIVER} ${LIBGROFF} -lm DPADD+= ${LIBDRIVER} ${LIBGROFF} ${LIBM} -MANDEPEND= grops.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= grops.1 .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/grotty/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/grotty/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:37 1.5 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:25 @@ -6,8 +6,7 @@ LDADD+= ${LIBDRIVER} ${LIBGROFF} -lm DPADD+= ${LIBDRIVER} ${LIBGROFF} ${LIBM} -MANDEPEND= grotty.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= grotty.1 .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/indxbib/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/indxbib/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -r1.8 Makefile --- Makefile 1997/03/09 07:27:18 1.8 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:26 @@ -6,8 +6,7 @@ LDADD+= ${LIBBIB} ${LIBGROFF} -lm DPADD+= ${LIBBIB} ${LIBGROFF} ${LIBM} -MANDEPEND= indxbib.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= indxbib.1 beforeinstall: ${INSTALL} -c -o ${BINOWN} -g ${BINGRP} -m ${NOBINMODE} \ Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/lkbib/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/lkbib/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:43 1.5 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:26 @@ -6,8 +6,7 @@ LDADD+= ${LIBBIB} ${LIBGROFF} -lm DPADD+= ${LIBBIB} ${LIBGROFF} ${LIBM} -MANDEPEND= lkbib.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= lkbib.1 .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/lookbib/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/lookbib/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:44 1.5 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:26 @@ -6,8 +6,7 @@ LDADD+= $(LIBBIB) $(LIBGROFF) -lm DPADD+= $(LIBBIB) $(LIBGROFF) $(LIBM) -MANDEPEND= lookbib.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= lookbib.1 .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/man/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/man/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:46 1.5 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:26 @@ -3,8 +3,7 @@ MAN5= groff_font.5 groff_out.5 MAN7= groff_char.7 -MANDEPEND= ${MAN5} ${MAN7} -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= ${MAN5} ${MAN7} .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/mm/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/mm/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.9 Makefile --- Makefile 1997/12/17 12:04:49 1.9 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:26 @@ -9,8 +9,7 @@ MAN7= groff_mm.7 groff_mmse.7 MLINKS= groff_mm.7 mm.7 groff_mmse.7 mmse.7 -MANDEPEND= ${MAN7} -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= ${MAN7} beforeinstall: ${INSTALL} -c -o ${TMACOWN} -g ${TMACGRP} -m ${TMACMODE} \ Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/nroff/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/nroff/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 Makefile --- Makefile 1997/09/15 16:08:56 1.7 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:26 @@ -1,7 +1,6 @@ MAN1= nroff.1 psroff.1 -MANDEPEND= nroff.1 psroff.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= ${MAN1} afterinstall: ${INSTALL} -c -o ${BINOWN} -g ${BINGRP} -m ${BINMODE} \ Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/pfbtops/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/pfbtops/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:49 1.4 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:26 @@ -5,8 +5,7 @@ LDADD+= ${LIBGROFF} DPADD+= ${LIBGROFF} -MANDEPEND= pfbtops.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= pfbtops.1 .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/psbb/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/psbb/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:51 1.4 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:26 @@ -3,8 +3,7 @@ PROG= psbb SRCS= psbb.c -MANDEPEND= psbb.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= psbb.1 .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/tbl/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/tbl/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:53 1.5 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:26 @@ -6,8 +6,7 @@ LDADD+= ${LIBGROFF} -lm DPADD+= ${LIBGROFF} ${LIBM} -MANDEPEND= tbl.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= tbl.1 .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/tfmtodit/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/tfmtodit/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 Makefile --- Makefile 1996/09/08 01:27:55 1.5 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:26 @@ -6,8 +6,7 @@ LDADD+= ${LIBGROFF} -lm DPADD+= ${LIBGROFF} ${LIBM} -MANDEPEND= tfmtodit.1 -CLEANFILES+= ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= tfmtodit.1 .include "../Makefile.cfg" .include Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/troff/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/troff/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.9 Makefile --- Makefile 1997/08/23 05:26:32 1.9 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:27 @@ -6,9 +6,8 @@ CFLAGS+= -I${.CURDIR}/../include LDADD+= ${LIBGROFF} -lm DPADD+= ${LIBGROFF} ${LIBM} -MANDEPEND= troff.1 -CLEANFILES+= majorminor.cc ${MANDEPEND} +CLEANFILES+= majorminor.cc troff.1 .include "../Makefile.inc" Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.24 diff -u -r1.24 Makefile --- Makefile 1998/03/07 09:45:56 1.24 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:27 @@ -11,8 +11,8 @@ CFLAGS+= -I${.CURDIR}/../lib -DSTDC_HEADERS -DPOSIX -DHAS_TROFF CFLAGS+= -DDO_COMPRESS -DALT_SYSTEMS -DSETREUID -DCATMODE=0644 + CLEANFILES+= ${MAN1} -MANDEPEND+= ${MAN1} .PATH: ${.CURDIR}/../manpath Index: src/gnu/usr.bin/man/manpath/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/man/manpath/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.19 diff -u -r1.19 Makefile --- Makefile 1998/03/07 09:45:58 1.19 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:27 @@ -7,8 +7,8 @@ CFLAGS+= -DMAIN -DSTDC_HEADERS -DPOSIX -DHAS_TROFF -DDO_UNCOMPRESS CFLAGS+= -DALT_SYSTEMS -I${.CURDIR}/../lib -I${.OBJDIR}/../lib + CLEANFILES+= ${MAN1} -MANDEPEND+= ${MAN1} ${MAN1}: ${.CURDIR}/manpath.man @${ECHO} Making ${.TARGET:T} from ${.ALLSRC:T}; \ Index: src/libexec/atrun/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/libexec/atrun/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 Makefile --- Makefile 1997/02/22 14:20:54 1.6 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:27 @@ -11,7 +11,6 @@ BINDIR= $(ATLIB_DIR) MANSRC= . CLEANFILES += ${MAN8} -MANDEPEND = ${MAN8} CFLAGS+= -I$(MAINSRC) -I${.CURDIR} Index: src/libexec/talkd/announce.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/libexec/talkd/announce.c,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.9 announce.c --- announce.c 1997/12/02 12:33:11 1.9 +++ announce.c 1998/04/18 08:22:24 @@ -58,6 +58,7 @@ #include extern char hostname[]; +extern char *ttymsg(); int print_mesg __P((char *, FILE *, CTL_MSG *, char *)); char *ttymsg __P((struct iovec *, int, char *, int)); Index: src/sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.c,v retrieving revision 1.35 diff -u -r1.35 ifconfig.c --- ifconfig.c 1998/03/19 20:58:45 1.35 +++ ifconfig.c 1998/04/18 08:46:23 @@ -558,7 +558,7 @@ if (afp->af_ridreq == NULL || afp->af_difaddr == 0) { warnx("interface %s cannot change %s addresses!", name, afp->af_name); - clearaddr = NULL; + clearaddr = 0; } } if (clearaddr) { @@ -575,7 +575,7 @@ if (afp->af_ridreq == NULL || afp->af_difaddr == 0) { warnx("interface %s cannot change %s addresses!", name, afp->af_name); - newaddr = NULL; + newaddr = 0; } } if (newaddr) { Index: src/sbin/mount/mount.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sbin/mount/mount.c,v retrieving revision 1.26 diff -u -r1.26 mount.c --- mount.c 1998/05/17 21:57:17 1.26 +++ mount.c 1998/05/19 16:40:55 @@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ { MNT_NOCLUSTERW, "noclusterw" }, { MNT_SUIDDIR, "suiddir" }, { MNT_SOFTDEP, "soft-updates" }, - { NULL } + { 0, NULL } }; /* Index: src/share/mk/bsd.man.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/share/mk/bsd.man.mk,v retrieving revision 1.27 diff -u -r1.27 bsd.man.mk --- bsd.man.mk 1998/04/27 15:08:07 1.27 +++ bsd.man.mk 1998/05/27 15:04:27 @@ -73,9 +73,9 @@ .endif .endfor -# XXX MANDEPEND is only used for groff, man/man, man/manpath, at and atrun. -# It should be named more generally. -all-man: ${MANDEPEND} +# XXX What was MANDEPEND supposed to be used for? +# all-man: ${MANDEPEND} +all-man: .if defined(NOMANCOMPRESS) Index: src/usr.bin/at/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/usr.bin/at/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 Makefile --- Makefile 1997/02/22 19:54:03 1.6 +++ Makefile 1998/05/27 15:04:31 @@ -15,7 +15,6 @@ BINMODE= 4555 MANSRC= . CLEANFILES += ${MAN1} -MANDEPEND = ${MAN1} .include To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 09:15:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02942 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.sminter.com.ar (ns1.sminter.com.ar [200.10.100.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02861 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpscha@ns1.sminter.com.ar) Received: (from fpscha@localhost) by ns1.sminter.com.ar (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA22492; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:10:50 -0300 (GMT) From: Fernando Schapachnik Message-Id: <199805291610.NAA22492@ns1.sminter.com.ar> Subject: Re: arplook To: mike@seidata.com (Mike) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:10:50 -0300 (GMT) Cc: brian@Awfulhak.org, fpscha@ns1.sminter.com.ar, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Mike" at May 29, 98 12:01:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG En un mensaje anterior, Mike escribió: > > On Fri, 29 May 1998, Brian Somers wrote: > > [snip] > > > > arplookup 102.255.209.107 failed: host is not on local network > > > > arplookup 102.255.207.132 failed: host is not on local network > [snip] > > I've encountered this as well... I asked a guru contact of mine and this > is what he had to say: > > > > > Also, looking over 'messages' on ns1 today and I have some questions > > about the following errors: > > > > 'arplookup 1.2.3.45 failed: host is not on local network' > > > > I think we established that this one was related to improper usage of > > subnet masks before... I'm getting sick of seeing dmesg flooded with > > these. Is this definately a subnet/subnet mask issue? > > This is actually caused because the server has some IP addresses from > 1.2.3.X on it and so it believes it should be able to create an > arp entry for 1.2.3.45 but then notices that it can't because > it isn't on the same network :) > > The solution is to move 1.2.3.45 to the 4.5.6 subnet along > with every other device on the LAN there... 1 LAN, 1 subnet... thats > the goal. This raises the issues of virtual addresses and async > addresses also... but I'd definately start with the actual LAN > devices. Move every ethernet device to the 4.5.6 subnet. Routing will > work better, accesses will be quicker, etc... > > > > 'ns1' is on the '4.5.6' class C with 30-40 '1.2.3' aliases. Hope it This is not my case: I don't have any alias on the 102 network. Here is my ifconfig, it may clarify my situation: 1001]ns3:/usr/home/fpscha>ifconfig -a vx0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 200.10.104.25 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.26 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.27 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.28 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.29 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.30 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.31 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.32 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.33 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.34 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.35 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.36 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.37 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.39 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.40 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.41 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.42 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.43 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.44 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.46 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.47 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.49 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.50 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.52 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.53 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.54 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.61 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.63 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.63 inet 200.10.104.65 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.69 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.70 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.71 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.72 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.73 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.74 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.76 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.80 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.81 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.83 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.84 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.86 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.87 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.88 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.89 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.90 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.91 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.94 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.97 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.98 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.99 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.100 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.101 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.102 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.103 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.104 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.105 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.106 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.108 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.109 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.110 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.111 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.112 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.113 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.114 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.115 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.116 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.117 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.118 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.119 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.120 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.123 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.124 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.125 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.127 inet 200.10.104.129 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.191 inet 200.10.104.130 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.191 inet 200.10.104.131 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.191 inet 200.10.104.132 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 200.10.104.191 inet 200.10.102.251 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 200.10.102.255 inet 200.10.100.16 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 200.10.100.255 ether 00:60:97:61:91:71 lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 tun0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 sl0: flags=c010 mtu 552 ppp0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 Thank you! > helps... > > --- > Mike Hoskins Email: mike@seidata.com > SEI Data Network Services, Inc. WWW: http://www.seidata.com > P.O. Box 7, 14005 U.S. 50 (BLD2) Voice: 800.925.6746 ex. 251 > Dillsboro, IN 47018 Fax: 812.744.8000 > > Fernando P. Schapachnik Administracion de la red S&M Internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 09:40:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12576 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca (tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12289 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:39:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from taob@tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca) Received: (from taob@localhost) by tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10811; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca To: David Greenman cc: Ruslan Ermilov , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New Cyclom-Y Driver for 2.2.[56] from Cyclades Corp. In-Reply-To: <199805110847.BAA04933@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 11 May 1998, David Greenman wrote: > > >Are there any work in progress to sync the driver in RELENG_2_2 with > >vendor version? > > It's on my list of things to do. Do the new drivers from Cyclades include BREAK support? I've been fiddling with cy.c in 3.0-current to get break support for a pair of 16-port Cyclades Cyclom-Y PCI adapters, but no luck so far. Linux and Win95 send breaks fine, but I'd rather not have to switch OS's just because of this. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 10:46:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23265 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22861 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:45:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Fri May 29 12:26 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA09321 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:44:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:51:24 -0400 Message-ID: To: stefan@promo.de Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: What to do with this thing ?! Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:51:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: Stefan Bethke[SMTP:stefan@promo.de] > > --On Fre, 29. Mai 1998 10:32 Uhr -0400 sbabkin@dcn.att.com wrote: > > > I have brought the SCSI-over-FastEthernet project to the working > > prototype stage. And that brought a big question, what to do with > > it ? > > > Does anybody has any ideas or wish lists ? > > Yes: supporting access to devices across a network, prossibly from > different > OSes. > [...] > Using the "SCSI server" instead, each OS can access the disk directly, > with > it's own native FS implementation. This system would allow for only > one > client per device, or possibly single writer/multi reader, and the > server > would have to arbitrate between clients mounting the devices. > > Sounds interesting, thanks. This would need to have the client part for each OS. I already have this part for FreeBSD, it needs only to be extended for non-HDD command set, but how about other OSes ? Does anyone volunteer to do that ? :-) Or do you suggest it as a commercial project ? Probably, another necessary and rather simple change will be to change the implementation to SCSI-over-TCP because the devices to be accessed are slow anyway. -Sergey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 11:34:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04657 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04495 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA20907 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Fri, 29 May 1998 20:16:22 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id TAA00752; Fri, 29 May 1998 19:59:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805291759.TAA00752@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: What to do with this thing ?! In-Reply-To: from "sbabkin@dcn.att.com" at "May 29, 98 10:32:50 am" To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:59:14 +0200 (CEST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As sbabkin@dcn.att.com wrote... > Why would anyone want an extension of this kind ? There exists > a class of paranoia requiring the master and backup > servers be located as far from each other as possible to > protect from disasters like fire. Sure, the automatic fire fighting > systems do exist but would a computer work soon after a freon > bath or covered by lots of dust from smoke generators ? Well, if you could see the amount of questions we get at my employer rest assured people *do* want these things. > The company where I worked earlier was infected by this kind of > paranoia and we had to break the high availability cluster > to break up the servers. And I know a whole class of companies > in Russia to which this paranoia is inherent. A nice solution > would be to use configuration like this: > > SCSI Ethernet SCSI > (host)=====(converter)-----(converter)=====(backup host) > | | > (disks) (disks) > mirror 1 mirror 2 > > thus having the backup host and the second copy of data > in a supposedly safe location and electrically disconnected > from the master host. > > Possible variations may include using the slave part of converter > as the disk box as well, SCSI ID/LUN translations in converter, > striping, load balancing over several Ethernet connections, > mirroring done inside the converter and so on. > > So, about 1.5 years ago I have started this project as commercial > with backup solution of converting it to non-commercial :-) > Many things occurred since then, there were lots of organizational > problems and since I came to US over half a year ago it was > in comatose state at all. Recently I bought a computer and > finally finished the working prototype. > > Since the start of project the Fibre Channel technology became > reality, absolutely superior to this project, although, may be, > a bit more expensive. And I absolutely don't know anything about the > typical paranoias in US companies. > > So, the first question is: does anybody see any commercial perspectives > for this project ? May be in the low-end server market ? May be, > for non-Unix servers ? If yes, I would like to hear any offers :-) Well, look at the website of EMC2 for example. This is viable, but it will probably only fly if there is a big organisation backing it. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 11:59:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11481 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:59:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ais.ais-gwd.com (root@ais.ais-gwd.com [205.160.97.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11406 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:58:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from charlespeters@ais-gwd.com) Received: from ci1000971-a.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com (ci1000971-a.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com [24.4.113.113]) by ais.ais-gwd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18373 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805291904.PAA18373@ais.ais-gwd.com> From: "Charles A. Peters" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:05:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Apache configuration help (sample config files please)? Reply-to: charlespeters@tecpro.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Earlier I asked about apache configuration information. My problems are not so much with the Apache configuration, my problems mainly relate to getting the httpd process statrted. I am new to FreeBSD, and Unix, and I am confused as to some of the proper settings in the config files (acces.conf, httpd.conf, and srm.conf). I also am not sure about setting up acess groups and that sort of thing. One thing that might help me would be a sample set of the above mentioned files (commented of coarse). I have searched the Apache site and they have no sample config files, or clear primers for novices. Thank you for your assistance and advise. Charles charlespeters@tecpro.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 12:08:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13867 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:08:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA13746 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Fri May 29 14:08 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA26235 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:07:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:14:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: What to do with this thing ?! Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:14:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: Wilko Bulte[SMTP:wilko@yedi.iaf.nl] > > As sbabkin@dcn.att.com wrote... > > > Why would anyone want an extension of this kind ? There exists > > a class of paranoia requiring the master and backup > > servers be located as far from each other as possible to > > protect from disasters like fire. Sure, the automatic fire fighting > > systems do exist but would a computer work soon after a freon > > bath or covered by lots of dust from smoke generators ? > > Well, if you could see the amount of questions we get at my employer > rest assured people *do* want these things. > Would your employer be interested in such a thing ? :-) > > So, the first question is: does anybody see any commercial > perspectives > > for this project ? May be in the low-end server market ? May be, > > for non-Unix servers ? If yes, I would like to hear any offers :-) > > Well, look at the website of EMC2 for example. This is viable, but it > will > I know, I had a talk with EMC peoples about their products (on an unrelated matter). But they are working at the high-end and top-end servers market. > probably only fly if there is a big organisation backing it. > :-( -Sergey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 12:21:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16933 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from core.zedz.net (adsl-145-99-70-2.snelnet.nl [145.99.70.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16850 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from usura@zedz.net) From: usura@zedz.net Received: (from usura@localhost) by core.zedz.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03219 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:13:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from usura) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:13:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199805281613.SAA03219@core.zedz.net> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: netscape 4.05 us Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anyone know if there is a netscape 4.05 US (128 bits encryption) for FreeBSD ? (there is an 'unsupported international version' but I've not seen any pointers to the US version. Help appreciated. -AJ- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 13:08:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26570 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26423 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:07:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA02925; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805291530.IAA02925@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: flags for media selection on "ed" card ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 May 1998 14:36:09 +0200." <199805291236.OAA27738@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:30:03 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > > I have a no-name PCMCIA ne2000 clone which works fine with 226+PAO, > but defaults to use the UTP port. Is there a way to control the > transceiver type on the ed driver ? It seems not to support "media" > commands, and the link0, link1 and link2 seem to have no noticeable > effect There is no generic media control facility on the 8390 family of parts, and none in the original NE2000. Your card probably takes its setting from the EEPROM or some other GP IO bit. Without knowing this (which tends to vary on a card-to-card basis), you're probably going to have to resort to using the card-specific setup program. Just FWIW, you shouldn't need PAO for this... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 13:26:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01745 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from martini.office.cdsnet.net (martini.office.cdsnet.net [204.118.245.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA01675 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:26:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reich@martini.office.cdsnet.net) Received: (qmail 18015 invoked by uid 1000); 29 May 1998 20:27:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahlon Smith X-Sender: reich@martini.cdsnet.net To: charlespeters@tecpro.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Apache configuration help (sample config files please)? In-Reply-To: <199805291904.PAA18373@ais.ais-gwd.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Charles wrote: > My problems are not so much with the Apache configuration, my > problems mainly relate to getting the httpd process statrted. Usually the startup line looks like this: /usr/local/etc/apache/src/httpd -f /usr/local/etc/apache/conf/httpd.conf Where it's [path to the daemon] -f [path to the config file] It's a good idea to make a shell script with that line in it, and stick it in your /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ directory, so it launches at startup. > I am > new to FreeBSD, and Unix, and I am confused as to some of the proper > settings in the config files (acces.conf, httpd.conf, and srm.conf). If you look through those files, *every* option is commented, and those comments tell exactly what the command does. If you are unsure about a specific command, that's where the apache web pages (http://www.apache.org> come in - you're correct, they don't have much in the way of sample config files, but they have an incredible amount of info relating to specific commands. Armed with that stuff, you should be able to get a apache server running nicely. Mahlon reich@internetcds.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 13:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04847 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from martini.office.cdsnet.net (martini.office.cdsnet.net [204.118.245.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04734 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:38:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reich@martini.office.cdsnet.net) Received: (qmail 18053 invoked by uid 1000); 29 May 1998 20:38:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:38:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahlon Smith X-Sender: reich@martini.cdsnet.net To: usura@zedz.net cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: netscape 4.05 us In-Reply-To: <199805281613.SAA03219@core.zedz.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 28 May 1998 usura@zedz.net wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a netscape 4.05 US (128 bits encryption) > for FreeBSD ? (there is an 'unsupported international version' but I've > not seen any pointers to the US version. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=netscape&stype=all -Mahlon -reich@internetcds.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 14:29:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07108 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from huron.nvl.virginia.edu (adrian@huron.nvl.Virginia.EDU [128.143.244.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07067; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:29:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@nvl.virginia.edu) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by huron.nvl.virginia.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA25020; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrian Filipi-Martin Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: charlespeters@tecpro.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: Apache configuration help (sample config files please)? In-Reply-To: <199805291904.PAA18373@ais.ais-gwd.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Charles, If you installed apache as a port or package, take a look in the /usr/local/etc/apache directory for sample/default configuration files. Then take alook at /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache.sh to see how it is started at boot time. www.apache.org has a complete and searchable set of documentation on-line as well. In the future, please post this type of question to the questions mailing list. It is perfectly appropriate there. The hackers list is more for the developers to discuss implementation details. The questions list can be reached at freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. cheers, Adrian -- adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, Neurosurgical Visualization Lab ->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ On Fri, 29 May 1998, Charles A. Peters wrote: > Earlier I asked about apache configuration information. > > My problems are not so much with the Apache configuration, my > problems mainly relate to getting the httpd process statrted. I am > new to FreeBSD, and Unix, and I am confused as to some of the proper > settings in the config files (acces.conf, httpd.conf, and srm.conf). > I also am not sure about setting up acess groups and that sort of > thing. One thing that might help me would be a sample set of the > above mentioned files (commented of coarse). > > I have searched the Apache site and they have no sample config files, > or clear primers for novices. > > Thank you for your assistance and advise. > > > Charles > charlespeters@tecpro.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 14:43:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04847 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from martini.office.cdsnet.net (martini.office.cdsnet.net [204.118.245.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04734 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:38:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reich@martini.office.cdsnet.net) Received: (qmail 18053 invoked by uid 1000); 29 May 1998 20:38:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:38:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahlon Smith X-Sender: reich@martini.cdsnet.net To: usura@zedz.net cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: netscape 4.05 us In-Reply-To: <199805281613.SAA03219@core.zedz.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 28 May 1998 usura@zedz.net wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a netscape 4.05 US (128 bits encryption) > for FreeBSD ? (there is an 'unsupported international version' but I've > not seen any pointers to the US version. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=netscape&stype=all -Mahlon -reich@internetcds.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 14:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12815 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:58:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from core.zedz.net (adsl-145-99-70-2.snelnet.nl [145.99.70.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12744 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:58:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from usura@zedz.net) From: usura@zedz.net Received: (from usura@localhost) by core.zedz.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02381 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 1998 23:58:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from usura) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:58:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199805292158.XAA02381@core.zedz.net> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: netscape 4.05 US (128 bits) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a netscape 4.05 US (128 bits) -at all- or is there only the International version for FreeBSD ? -aj- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 16:53:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03370 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from huset.math.ntnu.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA03201 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:51:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arnej@stud.math.ntnu.no) Message-Id: <199805292351.QAA03201@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (qmail 14134 invoked from network); 29 May 1998 23:44:37 -0000 Received: from huset.math.ntnu.no (HELO stud.math.ntnu.no) (129.241.211.212) by huset.math.ntnu.no with SMTP; 29 May 1998 23:44:37 -0000 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: arnej+freebsd@stud.math.ntnu.no Subject: Re: MANDEPEND In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 29 May 1998 18:14:12 +0200" References: <199805291614.JAA02447@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.54 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 01:44:36 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wrote: > I've appended the patch for -current but that patch shouldn't have included some old fixes for NULL used in integer context... sorry about that: > Index: src/libexec/talkd/announce.c > Index: src/sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.c > Index: src/sbin/mount/mount.c (The first one is already fixed, but the two other patches seems to be relevant still... anyone want to commit those two?) -arnej To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 17:06:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05179 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tcs07.nada.kth.se (tcs07.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05051 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from staffanu@nada.kth.se) Received: (from staffanu@localhost) by tcs07.nada.kth.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA04874; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:05:14 +0200 (MET DST) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re-mounting root after boot? Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Staffan Ulfberg Date: 30 May 1998 02:05:12 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 39 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, This is my first post to this mailing list, and I hope it's not terribly off-topic. The content is very similar to a post to comp.unix.bsd.freebsd yesterday, but I hope the main question is better answered here. The FreeBSD Handbook, sec 22.1.4, "Interesting Combinations" contains the following: Boot a kernel with a MFS in it with a special /sbin/init which... - NFS mounts your server:~you/FreeBSD as /nfs, chroots to /nfs and executes /sbin/init there My question is: is this really possible? To test it out, I simply made a new /sbin/init on a working system: Before launching the single user sh, init now does the following (when booting "normally," init works as usual). system("/sbin/ifconfig zp0 inet 62.20.128.20 netmask 0xffffff80"); system("/sbin/mount -t nfs multivac:/f /mnt"); chroot("/mnt"); chdir("/"); The shell is launched correctly, and the chroot works. (Before rebooting, I made a copy of the machine's kernel in the new root since the boot kernel is expected to be in the root directory.) This was easy... after CTRL-D boot continues normally, and everything seems to work. After a minute or so, however (sometimes I have the time to log in and type a few commands, sometimes not), the kernel panics. "Unexpected page fault while in kernel mode," process: idle. Question: am I close to having it all working, or is there a fundamental flaw in this setup? For example, maybe the kernel has some record of the root device which is now inconsistent with the one I'm using? Staffan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 17:12:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06549 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06523 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:12:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA28498 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:15:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 02:15:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Signed executables, safe delete etc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi hackers, Recently I was thinking about various security-related issues, and came up with this idea (I'm sure nothing new at all). What I imagine is e.g. to have kernel and/or init(8) check it's own binary file against a checksum of some kind (preferably MD5 or SHA) stored somewhere. If the checksumming fails (i.e. the kernel or init have been tampered with) it refuses to go on. This checking could go even earlier, that is in the bootblocks (I know - there is not single byte left there...), which could require user to enter a password in order to load the kernel (possibly decrypting previously encrypted part of freebsd partition). As for the signed binaries: this could be also a good way to ensure of the creator, owner etc of the binary, even with his email address and PGP key... :-) (ok, maybe I'v gone too far). I'm sure there are many difficult issues to resolve in this idea (such as: how to manage the keys). You can wonder what all this is for: it helps to ensure that no element of the system has been changed without you knowing it. It could be performed during startup of the system, and/or just before executing each binary (as far as I understand it, ELF allows to put pretty arbitrary sections into the binary). Moreover, this helps to ensure that the system won't boot without proper authorization, and even if someone steals it, it could refuse to give in (this would require encrypting the disk contents, of course - that's why I said about bootblocks...). The second idea is to add new flag and functionality to FFS: purge on delete. If this flag is set, kernel would wipe out the contents of the file which is being deleted, using special patterns (3-7 times). This would ensure that if you delete the sensitive data, they are really deleted and unrecoverable. So, my question is: is this something worth pursuing? Has anyone seen something similar? etc, etc... Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 17:21:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08151 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from couatl.uchicago.edu (couatl.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08139 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:21:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfarrell@couatl.uchicago.edu) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by couatl.uchicago.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA17859; Fri, 29 May 1998 19:20:47 -0500 (CDT) To: Mike Smith Cc: Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation References: <199805281908.MAA00998@dingo.cdrom.com> From: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 29 May 1998 19:20:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 12:08:10 -0700" Message-ID: <87lnrkd2xs.fsf@couatl.uchicago.edu> Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.9/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith writes: > > According to Daniel O'Connor: > > > Has anyone got this to install, or do I have to hack procfs myself? > > > > I'm really surprised. I installed SO4 a few months ago (when 4.0 release > > came out) and it didn't puke like this. > > They've updated it. I don't have any confirmation, but I suspect that > it may now be a glibc rather that libc5 build. What are the issues involved in getting freebsd to run glibc binaries? -- Steve Farrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 17:24:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08765 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08714 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:24:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21032; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:24:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <356F51B6.6C89E213@tdx.co.uk> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 01:24:22 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: charlespeters@tecpro.com CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Apache configuration help (sample config files please)? References: <199805291904.PAA18373@ais.ais-gwd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Charles A. Peters wrote: > Earlier I asked about apache configuration information. > > My problems are not so much with the Apache configuration, my > problems mainly relate to getting the httpd process statrted. I am > new to FreeBSD, and Unix, and I am confused as to some of the proper > settings in the config files (acces.conf, httpd.conf, and srm.conf). > I also am not sure about setting up acess groups and that sort of > thing. One thing that might help me would be a sample set of the > above mentioned files (commented of coarse). > > I have searched the Apache site and they have no sample config files, > or clear primers for novices. > > Thank you for your assistance and advise. This should be directed to the -questions list... ;-) Apache does ship with example config files... If you go to the directory where you built apache (either from source), or if from the ports collection (/usr/ports/www/apache) - and run: find . -name "httpd.conf*" -print It will show you where the 'example' config files are... Setting up access groups for web pages is covered on their web site, see: http://www.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html#user-authentication Unless I'm missing your meaning of 'access-groups'? Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 18:20:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18657 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:20:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18494 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:19:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA14704; Sat, 30 May 1998 10:49:17 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980530104916.R20360@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:49:16 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: alk@pobox.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VP3 supports UDMA? References: <199805281854.NAA03017@pobox.com> <19980529075650.Y25469@freebie.lemis.com> <199805282300.SAA03739@pobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805282300.SAA03739@pobox.com>; from Tony Kimball on Thu, May 28, 1998 at 06:00:36PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Following up to -hackers On Thu, 28 May 1998 at 18:00:36 -0500, Tony Kimball wrote: > Quoth Greg Lehey on Fri, 29 May: > > : No. I have a SiS motherboard with UDMA. I'm pretty sure that Aladdin > : (probably the #1 choice) also supports it. > > To clarify my concern: While I understand that VP3 and SiS support > UDMA, my concern is the FreeBSD does not support UDMA on anything but > PIIX3, last time I heard. Oh. I hadn't heard that. I checked the logs on the SiS disk, and I hadn't tried to enable UDMA there. I no longer have the disk (I was installing it for somebody else), but I'd be rather more than disappointed if the UDMA (or other DMA) support didn't work there. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 19:53:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01624 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 19:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01586 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 19:52:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05052; Fri, 29 May 1998 21:50:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199805300250.VAA05052@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: VP3 supports UDMA? In-Reply-To: <19980530104916.R20360@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "May 30, 98 10:49:16 am" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:50:56 -0500 (EST) Cc: alk@pobox.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Following up to -hackers > > On Thu, 28 May 1998 at 18:00:36 -0500, Tony Kimball wrote: > > Quoth Greg Lehey on Fri, 29 May: > > > > : No. I have a SiS motherboard with UDMA. I'm pretty sure that Aladdin > > : (probably the #1 choice) also supports it. > > > > To clarify my concern: While I understand that VP3 and SiS support > > UDMA, my concern is the FreeBSD does not support UDMA on anything but > > PIIX3, last time I heard. > > Oh. I hadn't heard that. I checked the logs on the SiS disk, and I > hadn't tried to enable UDMA there. I no longer have the disk (I was > installing it for somebody else), but I'd be rather more than > disappointed if the UDMA (or other DMA) support didn't work there. > FreeBSD-current supports UDMA on many compilant devices, and semi compilant devices like Promise controllers. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 20:17:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06063 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:17:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06029 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:17:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08754; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:17:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805300317.UAA08754@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: "Ron G. Minnich" , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 May 1998 07:43:34 PDT." <199805291443.HAA02663@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:17:20 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I installed turbo linux 1.2 on one of my spare ide drives and StarOffice seems to work. Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 22:14:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20404 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:14:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles135.castles.com [208.214.165.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20332 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:13:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00373; Fri, 29 May 1998 21:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805300408.VAA00373@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Amancio Hasty cc: Mike Smith , "Ron G. Minnich" , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 May 1998 20:17:20 PDT." <199805300317.UAA08754@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:08:55 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I installed turbo linux 1.2 on one of my spare ide drives and > StarOffice seems to work. Yes, we know it works on Linux. That's not the problem. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 22:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21582 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21575 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:22:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09231; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:21:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805300521.WAA09231@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: "Ron G. Minnich" , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 May 1998 21:08:55 PDT." <199805300408.VAA00373@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:21:42 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, it could be a problem and at least I verify that it works . Had instances in the past where linux people blindly claimed that something worked and such was not the case. Additionally, upon exit StarOffice cleans up its shared segments. My next question is , why so many postings about Star Office without a single soul venturing into the linux layer to solve at least the ipc shared memory segments clean up? Well, lets chat about it some more 8) Amancio > > I installed turbo linux 1.2 on one of my spare ide drives and > > StarOffice seems to work. > > Yes, we know it works on Linux. That's not the problem. 8) > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 22:40:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24061 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:40:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles135.castles.com [208.214.165.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23963 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00639; Fri, 29 May 1998 21:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805300435.VAA00639@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Amancio Hasty cc: Mike Smith , "Ron G. Minnich" , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 May 1998 22:21:42 PDT." <199805300521.WAA09231@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:35:17 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Yes, it could be a problem and at least I verify that it works . Had > instances in the past where linux people blindly claimed that something > worked and such was not the case. Additionally, upon exit StarOffice > cleans up its shared segments. > > My next question is , > why so many postings about Star Office without a single soul venturing > into the linux layer to solve at least the ipc shared memory segments > clean up? I've wandered in there several times in support of people that have been hacking on it. There are a couple of major issues with shared memory: - The Linux system calls need to be emulated correctly. We're closer than we used to be, but not perfect yet. - The data structures that Linux uses to control these structures is different to FreeBSD's. In particular, look at the shmid_ds structure. I can't find the thread from last time I was looking at this, which tends to imply that nothing came of it. You may want to talk to Kato, as his fingers were the last ones doing anything useful in linux_ipc.c. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 29 23:39:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01767 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 23:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01757 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 23:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id GAA29137; Sat, 30 May 1998 06:59:22 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805300459.GAA29137@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: flags for media selection on "ed" card ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 06:59:21 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805291530.IAA02925@antipodes.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at May 29, 98 08:29:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > There is no generic media control facility on the 8390 family of parts, > and none in the original NE2000. Your card probably takes its setting > from the EEPROM or some other GP IO bit. Without knowing this (which right... > tends to vary on a card-to-card basis), you're probably going to have > to resort to using the card-specific setup program. right... i guess i will have to see if i can make it work under pcmeu :) > Just FWIW, you shouldn't need PAO for this... i know, but i loaded PAO because it seems to support well APM cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 00:16:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07519 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:16:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07514 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:16:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA26969; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA29784; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:16:29 -0600 Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 01:16:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199805300716.BAA29784@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: flags for media selection on "ed" card ? In-Reply-To: <199805300459.GAA29137@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> References: <199805291530.IAA02925@antipodes.cdrom.com> <199805300459.GAA29137@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Just FWIW, you shouldn't need PAO for this... > > i know, but i loaded PAO because it seems to support well APM The APM support in FreeBSD is better than PAO. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 00:45:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11717 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:45:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles135.castles.com [208.214.165.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11702 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01290; Fri, 29 May 1998 23:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805300640.XAA01290@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org cc: Mike Smith , Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Star Office Installation In-reply-to: Your message of "29 May 1998 19:20:47 CDT." <87lnrkd2xs.fsf@couatl.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:40:23 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith writes: > > > > According to Daniel O'Connor: > > > > Has anyone got this to install, or do I have to hack procfs myself? > > > > > > I'm really surprised. I installed SO4 a few months ago (when 4.0 release > > > came out) and it didn't puke like this. > > > > They've updated it. I don't have any confirmation, but I suspect that > > it may now be a glibc rather that libc5 build. > > What are the issues involved in getting freebsd to run glibc binaries? Updating the linux_lib port. With RedHat 5.1 out, it should be possible to make a fast raid and come up to something relatively 'current'. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 02:33:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22077 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:33:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (EJzzvairmJqq5eIId/T3ug0go2x3C4tx@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.46.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA22071 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:33:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from oak66.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.33.66] ([lfzLCiGQVVYWCX0tz8Q5YKOoYkf/LjMn]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0yfi0K-00066z-00; Sat, 30 May 1998 10:32:44 +0100 Received: from njs3 by oak66.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0yfi0J-0004ev-00; Sat, 30 May 1998 10:32:43 +0100 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:32:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andrzej Bialecki "Signed executables, safe delete etc." (May 30, 2:15am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Signed executables, safe delete etc. Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On May 30, 2:15am, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: } Subject: Signed executables, safe delete etc. > > What I imagine is e.g. to have kernel and/or init(8) check it's own binary > file against a checksum of some kind (preferably MD5 or SHA) stored > somewhere. If the checksumming fails (i.e. the kernel or init have been > tampered with) it refuses to go on. If an attacker can tamper with the kernel or init then he can simply remove this code which performs this check, or make it a nop. Use securelevels to protect system binaries from modification. Also check out tripwire which has the kind of functionality you talk about and can be useful when setting immutable flags on a particular file is impractical. (e.g everyones .login) > The second idea is to add new flag and functionality to FFS: purge on > delete. If this flag is set, kernel would wipe out the contents of the > file which is being deleted, using special patterns (3-7 times). This > would ensure that if you delete the sensitive data, they are really > deleted and unrecoverable. Yes, this would be useful to certain people. A encryption layer on top of the read/write interface to disks would also be nice, people have worked on this, but I don't have the URL handy. Niall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 03:47:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA28121 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 03:47:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA28115 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 03:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02964 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:50:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:50:41 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: AlphaBIOS documentation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anyone know if there is documentation available for the ARC or AlphaBIOS boot sequence? In particular, what services does the firmware provide to the bootstrap program (e.g. linload.exe). Alternatively, does anyone know where I can find the source code to linload.exe? Sigh. I should have read more source code while I was at Microsoft :-). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 06:06:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11196 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 06:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10980 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 06:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5688) with SMTP id PAA08533 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 15:05:17 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:59:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: FreeBSD hackers mailing list Subject: Vold (was: What to do with this thing ?! (fwd)) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The "correct" solution would be to mount the media locally, however: > - we don't have a "vold" (or comparable) We actually have. It's called Remedae. And yes it is beta. And yes I would appreciate a lot of feedback whether it works and why not. It handles all kinds of removable devices and can do automounting for SCSI devices. As in, you insert your Yaz disk and after a second it mounts the device. The automounting requires patching of the kernel (the kernel is a bit noisy if you try to mount a device and the medium is not present) and libc_r to be present (I used threads to separate the automounting from the forced mounting). The approach is very simple: daemon and a small program to chat to the daemon through a socket. One nice feature: you can easily tell it to bugger off and mind its own business and NOT automount a specific device for a moment, without zapping the rmd: rmunmanage/rmmanage Can't remember the exact location, but a pointer can be found on http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ Nick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 06:32:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12661 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 06:32:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spoon.beta.com (root@mcgovern.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.106.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12645 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 06:32:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Received: from spoon.beta.com (mcgovern@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spoon.beta.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03939; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:32:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Message-Id: <199805301332.JAA03939@spoon.beta.com> To: taob@risc.org cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New Cyclom-Y Driver for 2.2.[56] from Cyclades Corp Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:32:00 -0400 From: "Brian J. McGovern" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> >> >Are there any work in progress to sync the driver in RELENG_2_2 with >> >vendor version? >> >> It's on my list of things to do. > > Do the new drivers from Cyclades include BREAK support? I've been >fiddling with cy.c in 3.0-current to get break support for a pair of >16-port Cyclades Cyclom-Y PCI adapters, but no luck so far. Linux and >Win95 send breaks fine, but I'd rather not have to switch OS's just >because of this. According to the driver source, implementing BREAK is on the TODO list, so I suspect its not done. I know it _has_ been implemented in the FreeBSD drivers for the Zo and Ze cards (cause I wrote it). Also, to address the 'sync'ing issue, if you're in a hurry, I can leave my custom build of 2.2.6 (with the new cy and the cz driver incorporated) on my FTP site for download. I also shipped Cyclades a copy for their archives. You can probably ask them for it, as well. -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 07:54:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19153 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 07:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from androcles.com (dhh@androcles.com [204.57.240.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18966 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 07:53:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@androcles.com) Received: (from dhh@localhost) by androcles.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA11663; Sat, 30 May 1998 07:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805281613.SAA03219@core.zedz.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 07:43:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Duane H. Hesser" To: usura@zedz.net Subject: RE: netscape 4.05 us Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Try https://www.fortify.net/ (or) http://www.fortify.net/ for a kit which will patch many versions of Netscape (including at least the 4.04 and 4.05 FreeBSD versions) to provide strong encryption capabilities. The software was developed outside the US, and download sites are non-US. Source code is distributed, along with binaries for many Unix versions (as well as OS/2 and NT), If you use this (I do), keep in mind that you will need to trust the developers of the package. The source code is available, but the patching process is a bit opaque (at least to me). -------------- Duane H. Hesser dhh@androcles.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 09:36:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28527 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:36:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tolstoy.mpd.ca (mpd.ca [206.123.11.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28496 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wlloyd@mpd.ca) Received: from mpd.ca (galt.mpd.ca [206.123.11.40]) by tolstoy.mpd.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26859; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:34:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wlloyd@mpd.ca) Message-ID: <3570350E.EF85E861@mpd.ca> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:34:22 -0400 From: William Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Duane H. Hesser" CC: usura@zedz.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: netscape 4.05 us References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Duane H. Hesser wrote: > for a kit which will patch many versions of Netscape (including at least > the 4.04 and 4.05 FreeBSD versions) to provide strong encryption capabilities. > > The software was developed outside the US, and download sites are non-US. > > Source code is distributed, along with binaries for many Unix versions (as well > as OS/2 and NT), > > If you use this (I do), keep in mind that you will need to trust the developers > of the package. The source code is available, but the patching process is a > bit opaque (at least to me). > The Fortify kit is already included in the netscape4-communicator port in FreeBSD. Try something like edit /etc/make.conf and set USA_RESIDENT = NO cd /usr/ports/www/netscape4-communicator make -DUSE_128BIT install -bill -- William Lloyd mailto:wlloyd@mpd.ca | http://www.mpd.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 10:25:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04416 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 10:25:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles195.castles.com [208.214.165.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04402 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 10:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06062; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805301621.JAA06062@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Doug Rabson cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaBIOS documentation In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 May 1998 11:50:41 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:21:08 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Does anyone know if there is documentation available for the ARC or > AlphaBIOS boot sequence? In particular, what services does the firmware > provide to the bootstrap program (e.g. linload.exe). Alternatively, does > anyone know where I can find the source code to linload.exe? The Linux ARC bootloader is a cut-down Linux kernel. Last I talked to anyone about it, it used almost none of the ARC services, rather it just banged directly on the hardware. I think the Linux-Mips ARC bootloader is similar. > Sigh. I should have read more source code while I was at Microsoft :-). 8) Would they have let you at something like that anyway? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 10:50:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08140 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 10:50:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles195.castles.com [208.214.165.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07951 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 10:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06235; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805301645.JAA06235@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nick Hibma cc: FreeBSD hackers mailing list Subject: Re: Vold (was: What to do with this thing ?! (fwd)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 May 1998 14:59:58 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:45:45 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > We actually have. It's called Remedae. And yes it is beta. And yes I > would appreciate a lot of feedback whether it works and why not. ... > Can't remember the exact location, but a pointer can be found on > > http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ http://mat075207.student.utwente.nl/~nick/rmd/index.html Unfortunately, it's not responding. Any alternatives? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 12:30:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20783 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:30:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20748 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from PHILADALE@aol.com) From: PHILADALE@aol.com Received: from PHILADALE@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id HRLCa09926 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 15:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:29:55 EDT To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: FreeBSD supporter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am ready to purchase stocks if you are on the wall street market. Hope to hear from you soon. PhilAdale@aol.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 16:07:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21099 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21034 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:06:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00527; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:06:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: PHILADALE@aol.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD supporter In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 May 1998 15:29:55 EDT." Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:06:06 -0700 Message-ID: <523.896569566@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I am ready to purchase stocks if you are on the wall street market. > Hope to hear from you soon. Heh. No, and I doubt we'll be so listed anytime soon. We're a non-profit group run primarily by volunteers, and one thing I've found out as we get further into this is that money frequently only _complicates_ a number of issues. Sure, it's a fond vision to imagine $10M or so in the bank and a group of 20 hard-core developers all working away from our FreeBSD workshop set up in a picturesque european city on the banks of the Rhine river somewhere, but to accomplish all that would first require that some number of us pretty much cease all other work while all the 1001 details of going commercial were worked out. Meanwhile, the market would move on and our progess would be impeded while all the details of who would be employed and who would not were being worked out, to say nothing of getting useful work out of the 20 while they shuffled their lives completely around. Meanwhile, without any of this kind of overhead, we're doing very well this year and if progress is slow, it's in only a few areas which a few spot applications of cash can also help out a lot more than a big stock offering and I think to aggressively pursue commercial opportunities right now would only be a good way of potentially grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. The system we have now works pretty well, money is being found here and there for those who really want to work on FreeBSD full-time (and have the skills to do so) and I don't think it's really the right time to be changing horses. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 17:18:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00420 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 17:18:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00239 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 17:16:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA18888; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD supporter In-Reply-To: <523.896569566@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 30 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > The system we have now works pretty well, money is being found here > and there for those who really want to work on FreeBSD full-time (and > have the skills to do so) and I don't think it's really the right time > to be changing horses. :-) There was mention a while ago, during a thread/flame war about contributions, about setting up a web page or something to allow direct contributions to FreeBSD Inc. using credit cards. Did that ever happen? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null Mail from netcom.com blocked until they stop relaying SPAM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 17:21:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01011 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 17:21:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00997 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 17:21:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01082; Sat, 30 May 1998 17:20:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: jack cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD supporter In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 May 1998 20:16:08 EDT." Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 17:20:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1078.896574011@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > There was mention a while ago, during a thread/flame war about > contributions, about setting up a web page or something to allow > direct contributions to FreeBSD Inc. using credit cards. Did > that ever happen? Sorry, yes, that did sort of happen but I dropped the ball after that when 2.2.6 came up. Someone even sent me his credit card details and the amount he wanted charged, and of course I never did so he's probably wondering now... :-) I think we'll just start from a clean slate at this point since I'm not going to thwack someone with a credit card debit some 3 months the donation was actually made, and as soon as I have a web page up which gives all the details and offers a secure form and all that (we'll probably just leach a page off of Walnut Creek CDROM's server) I'll make another announcement here for folks who'd like to donate funds that way. Thanks for the prod! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 19:06:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13309 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13184 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id EAA00413 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 31 May 1998 04:06:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id AAA26980 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 31 May 1998 00:58:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980531005843.A26968@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:58:43 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: netscape 4.05 US (128 bits) Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805292158.XAA02381@core.zedz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: <199805292158.XAA02381@core.zedz.net>; from usura@zedz.net on Fri, May 29, 1998 at 11:58:20PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4311 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to usura@zedz.net: > Is there a netscape 4.05 US (128 bits) -at all- or is there only the > International version for FreeBSD ? There is probably a US version of Netscape/FreeBSD but it is probably faster to get the export one and patch it with Fortify. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #60: Fri May 15 21:04:22 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 19:56:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17619 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:56:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.theinternet.com.au (akm@zeus.theinternet.com.au [203.34.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17455 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akm@zeus.theinternet.com.au) Received: (from akm@localhost) by zeus.theinternet.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14513; Sun, 31 May 1998 12:52:55 GMT (envelope-from akm) From: Andrew Kenneth Milton Message-Id: <199805311252.MAA14513@zeus.theinternet.com.au> Subject: Re: netscape 4.05 US (128 bits) In-Reply-To: <19980531005843.A26968@keltia.freenix.fr> from Ollivier Robert at "May 31, 98 00:58:43 am" To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 12:52:55 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG +----[ Ollivier Robert ]--------------------------------------------- | According to usura@zedz.net: | > Is there a netscape 4.05 US (128 bits) -at all- or is there only the | > International version for FreeBSD ? I would have thought there was quite a market for 128 bit secure proxies, to avoid having to patch them. Then you wouldn't have to patch every version of netscape you downloaded (or any browser for that matter). I know they exist for W95 and that they use SSLeay code. I don't have a pointer here for that however. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | Milton ACN: 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 |72 Col .Sig PO Box 403 Booval QLD Australia 4304 |akm@theinternet.com.au|Specialist To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 30 23:03:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09326 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:03:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09255 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:03:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yg1D3-00062x-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 00:03:09 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA16501; Sun, 31 May 1998 00:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805310603.AAA16501@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: AlphaBIOS documentation Cc: Doug Rabson , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 May 1998 09:21:08 PDT." <199805301621.JAA06062@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805301621.JAA06062@antipodes.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:03:11 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199805301621.JAA06062@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: : I think the Linux-Mips ARC bootloader is similar. The Linux/MIPS ARC bootloader is *NOT* similar. It uses the ARC BIOS routines in a way that works around many of the bugs in the ARC BIOS implementations that are out there. It loads the kernel using standard ARC BIOS calls. The only thing "interesting" that it does is provide support for loading ELF kernels when the ARC BIOS itself only supports COFF or ECOFF. ARC BIOS is kinda cool. Too bad it is buggy as heck on most machines. It works well enough to get NT running, and that's about it :-(. I don't know how different the ALPHA version of ARC is. I have the standard knocking around somewhere for the MIPS based version. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message