From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 01:51:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03294 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:51:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Thingol.KryptoKom.DE (Thingol.KryptoKom.DE [194.245.91.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03286 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:51:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Etienne.Debruin@KryptoKom.DE) Received: (from mail@localhost) by Thingol.KryptoKom.DE (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA23872 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:42:05 +0200 Received: from cirdan.kryptokom.de by via smtpp (Version 1.1.1b4) id kwa23870; Sun Oct 11 10:41:56 1998 Received: by Cirdan.KryptoKom.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05371 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:49:54 +0200 Original: Received: (from debruin@localhost) by borg.kryptokom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10939 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:50:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from debruin) From: Etienne de Bruin Message-Id: <199810110850.KAA10939@borg.kryptokom.de> Subject: ioctl naming conventions To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (Hackers FreeBSD) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:50:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG what are the ioctl signals supposed to be called? #define SIOxxxxxxx _IO('i',200,type) i presume SIO stands for socket io? i know that what i end up defining the signals as doesn't really matter, but i'd like to follow protocol. eT -- Etienne de Bruin, KryptoKom(R), Aachen, Germany eT@kryptokom.de +49 241 963 2635(w) "Suid Afrikaner in Duitsland" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 04:33:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18986 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onizuka.vmunix.org (onizuka.vmunix.org [194.97.84.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18957 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:33:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from torstenb@vmunix.org) Received: by onizuka.vmunix.org via sendmail with stdio id for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:33:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:33:06 +0200 (CEST) From: torstenb@vmunix.org (Torsten Blum) To: peter@taronga.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how fast are "fast" CDROM drives ? References: <199810101313.OAA16631@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <199810102000.PAA20647@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In freebsd-hackers you write: >Nah. In fact for random access the faster drives are slower than the older >4x or 6x drives, because they lose too much time speeding up and slowing >down. Depends on the drive. There are models that start reading at singlespeed. >I wish there was some flag you could set to limit their speed. The Plextor drives have such a feature. You can set the speed with scsi(8). I'll check the scsi command manual on monday for the SET CD SPEED command. -tb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 04:50:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA20101 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onizuka.vmunix.org (onizuka.vmunix.org [194.97.84.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA20089 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:50:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from torstenb@vmunix.org) Received: by onizuka.vmunix.org via sendmail with stdio id for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:50:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:50:24 +0200 (CEST) From: torstenb@vmunix.org (Torsten Blum) To: garbanzo@hooked.net Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how fast are "fast" CDROM drives ? References: <199810101313.OAA16631@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In freebsd-hackers you write: >Well, some of the earlier high speed CDs 12x+ cheat a bit by rotating the >disk faster only for certian parts of the disc (the outter edges IIRC). That's wrong, sorry. Drives between 1x and 8x work in CLV mode (Constant Linear Velocity). They always read the sector as the same speed. On the outer edges the disc spins slower to get the same datarate it gets on the inner edges. Faster drives (12x and above) work in CAV mode (Constant Angular Velocity), which means that the disc always spins at the same speed. If you read sectors from the outer edges of a cd it's faster than on the inner edges. On a CD, the sectors start on the inner egdes, so you only get 32x on a full CD. I wouldnt call CAV "cheating". The problem are hardware vendors who want to sell the "fastest" drives, so they use the highest speed the drive supports, and that's 32x. -tb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 04:53:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA20305 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:53:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onizuka.vmunix.org (onizuka.vmunix.org [194.97.84.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA20300 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:53:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from torstenb@vmunix.org) Received: by onizuka.vmunix.org via sendmail with stdio id for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:53:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:53:21 +0200 (CEST) From: torstenb@vmunix.org (Torsten Blum) To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how fast are "fast" CDROM drives ? References: <199810102000.PAA20647@bonkers.taronga.com> <199810110447.FAA17683@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In freebsd-hackers you write: >in any case there might be some atapi command to set the read speed >(perhaps through mode pages ?) Dunno about ATAPI, but SCSI3 MMC has a SET CD SPEED command as well as a mode page (depends on the mmc revision which the drive supports). The SCSI3 MMC manuals describe the use of the commandset on ATAPI drives, so if your drive supports MMC... -tb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 10:06:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14013 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.pangeatech.com (pangeatech-150.pangeatech.primenet.com [207.218.87.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA14008 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkn33@pangeatech.com) Received: from [207.218.93.158] by mail.pangeatech.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/4c.ah5m) with ESMTP id oa016290 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:05:41 -0700 Message-ID: <3620E328.7B45C1B1@pangeatech.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:56:08 -0700 From: Janie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: installation of exploits has led to a weird login problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was working with a few exploits last night and now when I login to my box I get this UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU#: not found and then it drops me to a prompt. Anyone have any ideas? Is it possible that I compiled some crap which caused this? Just curious if anyone happens to know what it is. thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 10:34:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15922 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.tds.edu (zeus.tds.edu [38.149.131.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15917 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from willow@tds.edu) Received: from zeus.tds.edu (willow@zeus.tds.edu [38.149.131.15]) by zeus.tds.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA01618; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:34:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Willow To: Janie cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installation of exploits has led to a weird login problem In-Reply-To: <3620E328.7B45C1B1@pangeatech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is caused by editing files using pico that ships with Pine 4.01. You should upgrade to Pine 4.02a or better, and use ee or vi to edit files IMHO -- willow@tds.edu -- On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Janie wrote: > I was working with a few exploits last night and now when I login to my > box I get this > > UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU#: not found > and then it drops me to a prompt. Anyone have any ideas? Is it possible > that I compiled some crap which caused this? Just curious if anyone > happens to know what it is. > > thanks > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 11:17:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19731 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19718 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id OAA05622; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:17:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Janie cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installation of exploits has led to a weird login problem In-Reply-To: <3620E328.7B45C1B1@pangeatech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Janie wrote: > I was working with a few exploits last night and now when I login to my > box I get this > > UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU#: not found > and then it drops me to a prompt. Anyone have any ideas? Is it possible > that I compiled some crap which caused this? Just curious if anyone > happens to know what it is. Are you by chance using pico 4.x as an editor? Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 12:00:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25080 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:00:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25064 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:00:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from fenja.ifi.uio.no (2602@fenja.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.174]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id UAA17908; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:58:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by fenja.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:58:50 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Janie Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installation of exploits has led to a weird login problem References: <3620E328.7B45C1B1@pangeatech.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 11 Oct 1998 20:58:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: Janie's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:56:08 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA25069 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Janie writes: > I was working with a few exploits last night and now when I login to my > box I get this > > UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU#: not found > and then it drops me to a prompt. Anyone have any ideas? Is it possible > that I compiled some crap which caused this? Just curious if anyone > happens to know what it is. "I deliberatly pointed a gun at my foot and pulled the trigger. Now my foot hurts. Does anybody know why? Just curious if anyone happens to know what it is." DES (sorry, couldn't resist) -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 12:18:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27165 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:18:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles306.castles.com [208.214.167.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27158 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00824; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:23:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810111923.MAA00824@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Etienne de Bruin cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (Hackers FreeBSD) Subject: Re: ioctl naming conventions In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:50:33 +0200." <199810110850.KAA10939@borg.kryptokom.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:23:04 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > what are the ioctl signals supposed to be called? > > #define SIOxxxxxxx _IO('i',200,type) > > i presume SIO stands for socket io? i know that what i end up > defining the signals as doesn't really matter, but i'd like to > follow protocol. SIOC - socket I/O control. S/G - set/get xxxx - whatever you're manipulating. eg. SIOCGHWADDR gets the hardware address. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 12:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28437 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (pm3-12.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28427 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA01140; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Janie cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installation of exploits has led to a weird login problem In-Reply-To: <3620E328.7B45C1B1@pangeatech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Janie wrote: > I was working with a few exploits last night and now when I login to my > box I get this LOL. Perhaps try not working with the exploits would be a start. > UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU#: not found > and then it drops me to a prompt. Anyone have any ideas? Is it possible > that I compiled some crap which caused this? Just curious if anyone > happens to know what it is. You're using a buggy version of pico (bundled with pine 4.02?). Try using another version (4.05 and 4.00 seem to be immune) or another editor, as you've likely corrupted whatever files you were editing. ee is a good replacement editor. If you can't login, you'll probably have to boot into single user mode to fix it. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 13:40:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04386 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04351; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id WAA29659; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:39:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981011223952.A29651@cons.org> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:39:52 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any chance of a dynamically linked jdk-1.1.6 (a.out version) References: <199810101752.BAA10216@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199810101752.BAA10216@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com>; from Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth on Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 01:52:58AM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <199810101752.BAA10216@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com>, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: > Because libawt.so is demanding to have xmDrawingAreaWidgetClass, which hasn't > been staically linked with the rest of the Motif library, would be possible to > either a) get this function linked in or b) have a version with the Motif > stuff dynamically linked in. The binary has been replaced a few days ago. Do you still have problems with the newest one? Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 17:50:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14545 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:50:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14513 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 25053 invoked by uid 1003); 12 Oct 1998 00:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19981012025016.A23475@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:50:16 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Alfred , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: need "no kludge" solution for socket->uid mapping References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Alfred on Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 05:55:52PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat 1998-10-10 (17:55), Alfred wrote: > i'm trying to code a threaded ident server > (yes i know one already exists) > however i'm finding the way that socket->uid mappings are done to be VERY > UGLY(tm) unless i cheat :) > > then it gets worse when i try to find what port the socket is actually > bound to. I'm not sure if this helps, but take a look at the lsof code, it does all sorts of fun things, which you can limit to specific ports, and things like that. ie, if I wanted to know who was using port 3400, I'd do: lsof -i :3400 and it'd return something like... irc-4.4 1291 bvi 4u inet 0xf77aede0 0t0 TCP xxxx:3400->yyyy:6667 Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 18:21:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17150 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:21:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17144 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:21:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA08165; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:51:01 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:51:01 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: (Torsten Blum) Subject: Re: how fast are "fast" CDROM drives ? Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, garbanzo@hooked.net Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11-Oct-98 Torsten Blum wrote: > I wouldnt call CAV "cheating". The problem are hardware vendors who want to > sell the "fastest" drives, so they use the highest speed the drive supports, > and that's 32x. And since the drive doesn't have to change speed it saves power and time :) (IMHO you can get CLV drives >12x too) Most CAV drives have the speed stated like '32x MAX' which is a marketing term for 32x-if-you-are-lucky-and-have-sacrificied-to-your-deity-of-choice-today.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 11 22:09:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05711 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:09:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pacman.redwoodsoft.com (redwoodsoft.com [207.181.199.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA05700 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:09:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dnelson@pacman.redwoodsoft.com) Received: (qmail 28864 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Oct 1998 05:09:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:09:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Dru Nelson To: Brian Somers cc: "Pitcairn, Duncan" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I added Microsoft VPN / PPTP for NATD In-Reply-To: <199808312154.WAA05687@awfulhak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, This is late, but yes I sent the patches to one of the people on the NAT team, they should be in there. (if natd accepts a flag for pptpalias in the recent stuff, it is in there) Dru Nelson Redwood City, California On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Brian Somers wrote: > Hi, > > Have you contacted anyone yet ? Do you want to send the patches to > me ? > > Cheers. > > > Hi, > > > > I needed to VPN to work from a machine on my network so I added the code > > to the NATD today. It works great. (The natd and libalias code is very > > good, so it wasn't hard) > > > > Essentially, I added a command line paramater called 'pptpalias' with > > an argument of the ip address of the machine on the inside that is to > > be used for the pptp service (client or server). The firewall should > > then pass PPTP (IP GRE packets) traffic directly to that machine after > > translation. > > > > I read on one of the posts to this list > > that the linux version acts similarly. Apparently, there isn't a port > > number to translate (or the microsoft implmentation doesn't implement it > > correctly). So, this works for a single machine on the inside to any > > machine on the outside. This should work fine for telecommuters or a > > single server behind the firewall. > > > > I will be contacting someone who maintains the nat stuff to see if they > > want it. I'm running on > > 2.2.5-RELEASE. The changes are to the libalias files and the natd.c. > > > > I'm not on this list, so please reply to me in email directly... > > > > Take it easy, > > > > Dru Nelson > > Redwood City, California > > -- > Brian , , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 00:26:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18182 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:26:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Thingol.KryptoKom.DE (Thingol.KryptoKom.DE [194.245.91.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18172 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:26:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Reinier.Bezuidenhout@KryptoKom.DE) Received: (from mail@localhost) by Thingol.KryptoKom.DE (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA27071 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:17:12 +0200 Received: from cirdan.kryptokom.de by via smtpp (Version 1.1.1b4) id kwa27069; Mon Oct 12 09:17:00 1998 Received: by Cirdan.KryptoKom.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06779 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:25:01 +0200 Original: Received: (from bez@localhost) by borg.kryptokom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01598 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:25:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bez) From: Reinier Bezuidenhout Message-Id: <199810120725.JAA01598@borg.kryptokom.de> Subject: ttcp and 2.2.7 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:25:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ... I have two systems on which I tried to run ttcp. Both are 2.2.7 systems. I have a version of ttcp compiled on a 2.1.7 system and one compiled on the above 2.2.7-STABLE system. The following strangeness appears when using the 2.2.7 compiled ttcp and -u (UDP) option. It seems that the transmitting side just keeps on sending udp packets of size 4 ... (the packets that tell the receiving side the transmitting is starting) ... the receiving side then just exits because it received both the start and end sequences of packets (these small udp) packets. When using the version of ttcp compiled on the 2.1.7 system .. it works fine without any problems. Were there some major changes in the way the udp is handled ??? that causes ttcp to behave strangely ?? I've tried this on different hardware platforms with different ethernet cards (fxp / de / xl) same thing happens. tcpdump just shows hundreds op udp packets size 4 being transmitted the whole time ... The following is the output from ttcp This one never stops until killed ... ~/ttcp> ./ttcp -t -u -s 10.0.1.101 ttcp-t: buflen=8192, nbuf=2048, align=16384/0, port=5001 udp -> 10.0.1.101 ttcp-t: socket ^C ~/ttcp> The receiving side exits almos immediately ... ~/ttcp> ./ttcp -r -s -u ttcp-r: buflen=8192, nbuf=2048, align=16384/0, port=5001 udp ttcp-r: socket ttcp-r: 0 bytes in 0.00 real seconds = 0.00 KB/sec +++ ttcp-r: 2 I/O calls, msec/call = 0.02, calls/sec = 54054.05 ttcp-r: 0.0user 0.0sys 0:00real 0% 0i+0d 0maxrss 0+0pf 0+0csw ~/ttcp> Any ideas ... Thanx Reinier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 00:59:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21756 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Thingol.KryptoKom.DE (Thingol.KryptoKom.DE [194.245.91.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21751 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:59:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Reinier.Bezuidenhout@KryptoKom.DE) Received: (from mail@localhost) by Thingol.KryptoKom.DE (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA27683 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:49:57 +0200 Received: from cirdan.kryptokom.de by via smtpp (Version 1.1.1b4) id kwa27674; Mon Oct 12 09:49:52 1998 Received: by Cirdan.KryptoKom.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07105 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:57:54 +0200 Original: Received: (from bez@localhost) by meriadoc.kryptokom.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00567 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:08:24 +0200 From: Reinier Bezuidenhout Message-Id: <199810120808.KAA00567@meriadoc.kryptokom.de> Subject: ttcp and 2.2.7 OOPS ... To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:08:24 +0200 (MEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG eehhmmm ... Where is that white pointy hat again .... :) Don't worry ... it was a "comment" error on my side :) Thousand appologies o great master :) Reinier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 05:30:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15091 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 05:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.mtu.edu (news.mtu.edu [141.219.70.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15086 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 05:30:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmbalyea@mtu.edu) Received: from mtu.edu (root@mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10623 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cslserver.csl.mtu.edu (cslserver.csl.mtu.edu [141.219.150.71]) by mtu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19480 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colossus.csl.mtu.edu (colossus.csl.mtu.edu [141.219.151.1]) by cslserver.csl.mtu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/mtumailer-1.2) with ESMTP id IAA21389 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (pmbalyea@localhost) by colossus.csl.mtu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5/mtuclient-1.0) with SMTP id IAA14329 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:30:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: colossus.csl.mtu.edu: pmbalyea owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:30:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul M. Balyeat" X-Sender: pmbalyea@colossus.csl.mtu.edu To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: devfs? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I'm not sure if I'm mailing this to the right people, but this is a tech support request. Anyway, yesterday morning, I woke up logged into my machine (running xdm) checked my mail (used ssh) then killed all connections and went to breakfast. Looking over the logs indicates that noone logged during this time. Came back and tried to logon, xdm would authenticate me, but wouldn't let me in, the authentication window would simply vanish. I dropped into single user mode and edited rc.local to eliminate xdm's command line from the script. During the bootup, I noticed that the computer was indicating that it had no open ports. On reboot, the machine consistently froze when trying to start the sendmail daemon, and indicated that it couldn't bind ssh to port 22 because the port was already in use (indicated during the DEVFS initialization). Upon logging in, I could only get intermitent network support, usually being forced to reboot the machine in order to make telnet work. Occasionally, it'd flash the warning devstat_(I can't quite remember) < 0 on boot up. I've tried reinstalling, but the boot disk just doesn't find my gateway or nameserver. The real kicker is that everything worked the way it was supposed to under windows95. I tried to mount devfs and do something to it, but failed miserably. I've tried going through my /etc and looking for modified files, and I've tried messing with the physical configuration (ie rearranging the cards). As for my hardware setup, we're looking at 2 ethernet cards (vx0 to the rest of the world, de0 for 10baseT connections), an ATI graphics card (mach 64), and an ISA controller for a 1x cdrom. I'm really at a loss to explain this and any help you can offer would be most appreciated. Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 06:28:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21348 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:28:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21343 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from urdarbrunni.ifi.uio.no (2602@urdarbrunni.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.184]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id PAA16907; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:28:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by urdarbrunni.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:28:10 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Paul M. Balyeat" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: devfs? References: Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 Oct 1998 15:28:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Paul M. Balyeat"'s message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:30:06 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id GAA21344 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Paul M. Balyeat" writes: > Ok, I'm not sure if I'm mailing this to the right people, but this is a > tech support request. -hackers is not for tech support, it's for discussions about FreeBSD's inner workings and other voodoo stuff. This belongs on -stable or -current, depending on which version you run (you didn't say - another booboo) > Anyway, yesterday morning, I woke up logged into my machine (running xdm) > checked my mail (used ssh) then killed all connections and went to > breakfast. What do you mean by "killed all connections"? > (indicated during the DEVFS initialization). Don't use DEVFS. Did you try to log in on a virtual console and check your .xsession-errors? Did you try to log in on a virtual console and check the xdm logs (/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-errors)? Did you try to switch to a virtual console while xdm appeared to be hung and check what processes were running? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 06:51:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24936 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:51:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from animaniacs.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA24931 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Received: from localhost (jamie@localhost) by animaniacs.itribe.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA00745; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:50:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how fast are "fast" CDROM drives ? In-Reply-To: <199810101313.OAA16631@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Well it seems that everybody here is crazy to upgrade their CDROM > drives to the fastest unit they can get, but i wonder if it makes any > sense... > > I got a 32x ATAPI unit one month ago and there is no way (under > -stable) i can get more than 2.2MB/s by dd'ing from the disk. > Considering i get 5-6MB/s from a raw IDE disk (and from iozone with > large files) on the same machine, i don't think the limiting factor is > CPU or the OS. > > I wonder if anybody is able to exploit the speed of their 24/32/40x > IDE or SCSI drives I have a Plextor 32X SCSI cdrom which is capable of doing 20MB/s transfers. It has an ultrascsi interface on it. I installed FreeBSD 2.2.7 using it, and was never able to get above 10MB/s because the file usually finished before the cdrom had a chance to spin up fully. It was impressive to watch the numbers on the bottom of the screen climb that high. My old ATAPI (Mitsumi) 6x only did about 1 - 2MB/s. Jamie Bowden -- Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 07:55:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05311 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay1.bcs.zp.ua (bcs-ts33.zcn.net [195.123.8.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05081 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:54:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from serg@bcs.zp.ua) Received: from bcs3.bcs.zp.ua (bcs3.bcs.zp.ua [195.123.10.73]) by relay1.bcs.zp.ua (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA28844 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:53:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from serg@localhost) by bcs3.bcs.zp.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01956 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:53:46 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from serg) From: Sergey Shkonda Message-Id: <199810121453.RAA01956@bcs3.bcs.zp.ua> Subject: `at' bug To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:53:46 +0300 (EEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL45 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've found bug in at(1): at 16:10 oct 15 atq output: Date Owner Queue Job# 16:10:00 10/15/99 serg c 48 Can someone tell me: Is this a feature or a bug ? :) -- Sergey Shkonda To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 08:11:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07300 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07291 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nash@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (nash@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA17364; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:11:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nash@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id KAA19855; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:11:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981012101109.A18822@mcs.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:11:09 -0500 From: Alex Nash To: Sergey Shkonda , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: `at' bug References: <199810121453.RAA01956@bcs3.bcs.zp.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810121453.RAA01956@bcs3.bcs.zp.ua>; from Sergey Shkonda on Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 05:53:46PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 05:53:46PM +0300, Sergey Shkonda wrote: > I've found bug in at(1): > > at 16:10 oct 15 > > atq output: > Date Owner Queue Job# > 16:10:00 10/15/99 serg c 48 > > Can someone tell me: Is this a feature or a bug ? :) It's a buggy feature that was fixed a few months ago. Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 08:12:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07402 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:12:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07397 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from urdarbrunni.ifi.uio.no (2602@urdarbrunni.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.184]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA09190; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:11:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by urdarbrunni.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:11:48 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Sergey Shkonda Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: `at' bug References: <199810121453.RAA01956@bcs3.bcs.zp.ua> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 Oct 1998 17:11:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: Sergey Shkonda's message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:53:46 +0300 (EEST)" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA07398 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sergey Shkonda writes: > I've found bug in at(1): > > at 16:10 oct 15 > > atq output: > Date Owner Queue Job# > 16:10:00 10/15/99 serg c 48 > > Can someone tell me: Is this a feature or a bug ? :) Are you sure your system clock is set correctly? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 08:39:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10777 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10757 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5692) with SMTP id RAA01947; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:39:31 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:39:29 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no cc: FreeBSD hackers mailing list Subject: Re: filesystem safety and SCSI disk write caching In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Even with an UPS, a large percentage of our unclean shutdowns are power > > related. Most of these are due to power outages that last longer than > > our UPS batteries. > > 1.5) When the UPS reports that the battery is running low, shut > everything down. 1.5a tell the UPS to tell you n minutes in advance that it is going to run out of batteries, n being the time needed to shutdown and halt all attached machines 1.5b tell the UPS to switch itself off just before halting the controlling machine. Tell it as well to not switch itself on unless it has power for n minutes. or at least, that is what we are doing here and that scheme works. If you think you bought your UPS for nought, move to Italy :-) Nick -- building: 27A address: STA-ISIS, T.P.270, Joint Research Centre, 21020 Ispra, Italy tel.: +39 332 78 9549 fax.: +39 332 78 9185 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 10:37:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29637 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:37:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29625 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:37:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (root@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18880; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:50:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA05945; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:49:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199810120749.IAA05945@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Dru Nelson cc: Brian Somers , "Pitcairn, Duncan" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I added Microsoft VPN / PPTP for NATD In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:09:17 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:49:04 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't think it is there. Who did you send the patch to ? I can chase them up and commit it myself. Cheers. > Hi, This is late, but yes I sent the patches to one of the people > on the NAT team, they should be in there. (if natd accepts a flag > for pptpalias in the recent stuff, it is in there) > > Dru Nelson > Redwood City, California > > On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Brian Somers wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Have you contacted anyone yet ? Do you want to send the patches to > > me ? > > > > Cheers. > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I needed to VPN to work from a machine on my network so I added the code > > > to the NATD today. It works great. (The natd and libalias code is very > > > good, so it wasn't hard) > > > > > > Essentially, I added a command line paramater called 'pptpalias' with > > > an argument of the ip address of the machine on the inside that is to > > > be used for the pptp service (client or server). The firewall should > > > then pass PPTP (IP GRE packets) traffic directly to that machine after > > > translation. > > > > > > I read on one of the posts to this list > > > that the linux version acts similarly. Apparently, there isn't a port > > > number to translate (or the microsoft implmentation doesn't implement it > > > correctly). So, this works for a single machine on the inside to any > > > machine on the outside. This should work fine for telecommuters or a > > > single server behind the firewall. > > > > > > I will be contacting someone who maintains the nat stuff to see if they > > > want it. I'm running on > > > 2.2.5-RELEASE. The changes are to the libalias files and the natd.c. > > > > > > I'm not on this list, so please reply to me in email directly... > > > > > > Take it easy, > > > > > > Dru Nelson > > > Redwood City, California -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 10:49:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03032 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles238.castles.com [208.214.165.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03018 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:49:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06970; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810121753.KAA06970@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Paul M. Balyeat" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: devfs? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:30:06 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:53:48 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ok, I'm not sure if I'm mailing this to the right people, but this is a > tech support request. This is the wrong place to send this sort of request; try questions@freebsd.org. You'll get much better results if your message is broken into separate paragraphs, and better again if it is logically organised. "Flow of consciousness" is a fine artistic technique, but not at all useful for technical matters. > Anyway, yesterday morning, I woke up logged into my machine (running xdm) > checked my mail (used ssh) then killed all connections and went to > breakfast. Looking over the logs indicates that noone logged during > this time. Came back and tried to logon, xdm would authenticate me, but > wouldn't let me in, the authentication window would simply vanish. I > dropped into single user mode and edited rc.local to eliminate xdm's > command line from the script. During the bootup, I noticed that the > computer was indicating that it had no open ports. On reboot, the machine > consistently froze when trying to start the sendmail daemon, and indicated > that it couldn't bind ssh to port 22 because the port was already in use > (indicated during the DEVFS initialization). - Devfs is not supported - All of the symptoms you describe are consistent with nameserver timeouts. If you had waited a little longer, you would probably found your window manager starting, eg. - You *must* supply error messages verbatim. "indicating it had no open ports" means nothing to anyone. > Upon logging in, I could > only get intermitent network support, usually being forced to reboot the > machine in order to make telnet work. Occasionally, it'd flash the > warning devstat_(I can't quite remember) < 0 on boot up. This message is harmless, but again, if you don't supply it in its exact form, nobody can help you with it. > I've tried > reinstalling, but the boot disk just doesn't find my gateway or > nameserver. This is a classic indication that your network configuration has changed in some fashion. Reinstalling is almost never necessary; FreeBSD is not Windows. It sounds like you're not telling, or plain missing, a critical item. Unfortunately, you're the only person that is going to be able to tell what this is, as we're not there. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 10:59:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05336 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soleil.uvsq.fr (soleil.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05309; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from son@cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr) Received: from cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr (rtc102.reseau.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.18]) by soleil.uvsq.fr (8.9.1/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id TAA18906 ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:58:46 +0200 (METDST) Received: (from son@localhost) by cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr (8.9.1/8.8.5) id TAA00489; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:56:35 GMT Message-ID: <19981012195634.06516@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:56:35 +0000 From: Nicolas Souchu To: FreeBSD Hackers Cc: -current , Luigi Rizzo , Roger Hardiman , Mike Smith Subject: bktr over new I2C framework, ready Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e X-Operating-System: FreeBSD breizh 3.0-BETA FreeBSD 3.0-BETA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi there, bktr over the new I2C framework is now ready. Although, no man page is available :( This is my next priority. But it works. 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MAA25070 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:49:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from m13.boston.juno.com (m13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25049; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:49:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from needinfo@juno.com) Received: (from needinfo@juno.com) by m13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRDSKX24; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:45:00 EDT To: FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@allegro.lemis.com Subject: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com Message-ID: <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-6,10-28,30-31,34-35,43-44,46-68 From: needinfo@juno.com (ed mill) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:45:00 EDT Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:27:40 -0400 (EDT) ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >>> grog@lemis.com and 19981010142118.Q3369@freebie.lemis.com ----- Transcript of session follows ----- While talking to freebie.lemis.com.: >>> Mail rejected. See www.lemis.com/dontspam.html >>> Service unavailable while talking to allegro.lemis.com and grog@lemis.com and >>> 19981010142118.Q3369@freebie.lemis.com Mail rejected Service unavailable >>> grog@freebie.lemis.com Action: failed to all accounts From: needinfo@juno.com Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:26:43 EDT HI GREG, WE SENT YOU A MESSAGE BUT IT CAME BACK UNDELIVERABLE. WHY? IN THAT MESSAGE WE ASKED YOU TO ANSWER THE REQUEST IN YOUR OWN TERMS AND CONDITION. THE QUESTION IS: WHAT DO YOU, GREG, THINK IS NEEDED BY BSD? THAT IS ALL WE WERE TRYING TO SAY. THE FOLLOWING IS WHAT WE TRIED TO SEND TO YOU EARLIER. HELLO GREG, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATE AND INFORMATIVE INFORMATION. FIRST IMPRESSION ARE JUST THAT AND YOUR'S IS GREAT. WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN BSD DOS BINARIES, TO EVERYTHING RELATING TO BSD CODE. FROM YOUR VIEW POINT, WHAT CODE OR OTHER STUFF IS NEEDED BY BSD? THAT IS WHAT WAS REALLY MEANT BY THE REQUEST. WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE TELEGRAPH, SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES.WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE TELEGRAPH, SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES. >On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:21:18 +0930 From:Greg Lehey writes: >I've told you where to start: Please leave -hackers alone until you >know how to express yourself. > >Greg -- >See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers >finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key >From:Greg Lehey Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:38:44 -0400 (EDT) >FIRST, FIND THE KEY MARKED "Caps Lock". PRESS IT. Aaah, that's >better, isn't it? >Next, send a message to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with the text "subscribe >FreeBSD-newbies". Do what the reply says. Lurk for a few days. >Enjoy. >Greg -- >See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers >finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 13:16:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01102 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:16:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01089 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:16:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4007.ime.net [209.90.195.17]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id QAA15360; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:16:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981012161419.00a69140@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:15:30 -0400 To: needinfo@juno.com (ed mill), FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com In-Reply-To: <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The message probably isn't going through because of the strange vibes coming from the known-spam/free-email site known as Juno.. That's just an observation of mine :-) At 03:45 PM 10/12/98 -0400, ed mill wrote: >Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable >Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:27:40 -0400 (EDT) > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >>>> grog@lemis.com and 19981010142118.Q3369@freebie.lemis.com > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- While talking to >freebie.lemis.com.: >>>> Mail rejected. See www.lemis.com/dontspam.html >>>> Service unavailable while talking to allegro.lemis.com and >grog@lemis.com and >>> 19981010142118.Q3369@freebie.lemis.com Mail >rejected Service unavailable >>> grog@freebie.lemis.com Action: failed >to all accounts > >From: needinfo@juno.com >Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:26:43 EDT > >HI GREG, > >WE SENT YOU A MESSAGE BUT IT CAME BACK UNDELIVERABLE. WHY? > >IN THAT MESSAGE WE ASKED YOU TO ANSWER THE REQUEST IN YOUR OWN TERMS AND >CONDITION. > > THE QUESTION IS: WHAT DO YOU, GREG, THINK IS NEEDED BY BSD? > >THAT IS ALL WE WERE TRYING TO SAY. THE FOLLOWING IS WHAT WE TRIED TO >SEND TO YOU EARLIER. > >HELLO GREG, > >THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATE AND INFORMATIVE INFORMATION. >FIRST IMPRESSION ARE JUST THAT AND YOUR'S IS GREAT. > >WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN BSD DOS BINARIES, TO EVERYTHING RELATING TO BSD >CODE. FROM YOUR VIEW POINT, WHAT CODE OR OTHER STUFF IS NEEDED BY BSD? > THAT IS WHAT WAS REALLY MEANT BY THE REQUEST. > >WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD >OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL >BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE >TELEGRAPH, SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES.WE PREFER ALL >CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD OF >COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL BE >THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE TELEGRAPH, >SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES. > >>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:21:18 +0930 From:Greg Lehey >writes: > >>I've told you where to start: Please leave -hackers alone until you >>know how to express yourself. >> >>Greg >-- >>See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers >>finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > >>From:Greg Lehey Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:38:44 -0400 (EDT) > >>FIRST, FIND THE KEY MARKED "Caps Lock". PRESS IT. Aaah, that's >>better, isn't it? > >>Next, send a message to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with the text "subscribe >>FreeBSD-newbies". Do what the reply says. Lurk for a few days. >>Enjoy. > >>Greg >-- >>See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers >>finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 14:03:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12646 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:03:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11923; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from dolgtvari.ifi.uio.no (2602@dolgtvari.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.8]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id XAA12656; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:00:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by dolgtvari.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:00:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 To: needinfo@juno.com (ed mill) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com References: <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 Oct 1998 23:00:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: needinfo@juno.com's message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:45:00 EDT" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA12507 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG needinfo@juno.com (ed mill) writes: > HI GREG, > > WE SENT YOU A MESSAGE BUT IT CAME BACK UNDELIVERABLE. WHY? Uhm, jmb, how about killfiling .*@juno\.com? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 14:56:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24413 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24346 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:56:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4007.ime.net [209.90.195.17]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id RAA15431; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:46:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981012174318.00a23390@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:46:17 -0400 To: Khetan Gajjar From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com Cc: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.0.67.19981012161419.00a69140@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I kinda hope he got *aol.com, *prodigy.net, *netcom.com, *earthlink.net, *psi.net, *mindspring.com, *hotmail.com, *mailcity.com, *webmail.com, *eudoramail.com.. Oh yeah, the possibilities are endless.. But this is -hackers, so I better not stress about other peoples internet shortcomings (I think running BSD would be kinda silly without a real net connection, that's another story though).. I will note that the CVSup.freebsd.org has been rejecting connections lately. I think I'll wait until after -RELEASE before I do make world again at this rate. Anyone know how stable the SMP is with using like, ASUS or Supermicro dual-PII boards? I have a toss up of if it goes into the Mail server (sadly NT, damned Netscape to heck), or into the FreeBSD box. At 11:43 PM 10/12/98 +0200, Khetan Gajjar wrote: >On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > >DB> The message probably isn't going through because of the strange vibes >DB> coming from the known-spam/free-email site known as Juno.. That's just an >DB> observation of mine :-) > >Or the individual sender has been marked as a spammer. Not an alltogether >bad idea ;-) > >--- >Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) * khetan@iafrica.com ; khetan@os.org.za >http://www.os.org.za/~khetan * Talk/Finger khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za >UUNET Internet Africa Support * FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org >FreeBSD is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside! > --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 15:46:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01676 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:46:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01581; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:46:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27905; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdT27898; Mon Oct 12 22:42:31 1998 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:42:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Nicolas Souchu cc: FreeBSD Hackers , -current , Luigi Rizzo , Roger Hardiman , Mike Smith Subject: Re: bktr over new I2C framework, ready In-Reply-To: <19981012195634.06516@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG yes but what IS it? I have an I2C device attached to some programmable pins and I understand the protocol, but 'bktr' means nothing to me.. What is it? julian On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Nicolas Souchu wrote: > Hi there, > > bktr over the new I2C framework is now ready. Although, no man page is > available :( This is my next priority. > > But it works. Ready to test it? > > -- > Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr > FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 15:51:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02550 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02526 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:51:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA13243 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:48:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199810122248.AAA13243@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: BETA problems... To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:48:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I just tried to install the newest BETA on current.freebsd.org on a friend's computer. It worked, let's say, less then satisfactory. Somehow the installation got messed up, but the main problem was that he had two IDE drives. Both set to master, on separate comntrollers. On wd0 he had Window and on wd2 he wanted FreeBSD... That, however, was not much to FreeBSD's liking. At the "boot:" prompt, it would find the kernel at bios unit 1, but for some inane reason it fails to recognize that the disk is NOT wd1, but wd2. So you would manually have to enter "1:wd(2,a)kernel" or it would assume "1:wd(1,a)kernel", and panic when trying to mount root. Why is this, and shouldn't it be fixed? _Is_ it fixed in new boot code, perhaps? Also, just a small thing that peeved me... it took forever for the installtion to get both telnet/rlogin and rt-ld in, so you could do something useful on ttyv3 (like catch up on your FreeBSD mail on the server). All aout libs and such went in first. NOT really a a big thing I know... :-) /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 15:56:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03398 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:56:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03355; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4007.ime.net [209.90.195.17]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id SAA15484; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:55:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981012185256.00a2c9c0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:53:40 -0400 To: Julian Elischer , Nicolas Souchu From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: bktr over new I2C framework, ready Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , -current , Luigi Rizzo , Roger Hardiman , Mike Smith In-Reply-To: References: <19981012195634.06516@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Isn't it the Brooktree 848K driver? BKTR0 points to my Brooktree card that I got from my Intel beta kit ages ago. Made in Ireland.. Go figure.. But it works.. I think. :-) At 03:42 PM 10/12/98 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: >yes but what IS it? > >I have an I2C device attached to some programmable pins >and I understand the protocol, >but 'bktr' means nothing to me.. What is it? > >julian > >On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Nicolas Souchu wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> bktr over the new I2C framework is now ready. Although, no man page is >> available :( This is my next priority. >> >> But it works. Ready to test it? >> >> -- >> Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr >> FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 16:35:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11251 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11176; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00592; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810122337.QAA00592@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Julian Elischer cc: Nicolas Souchu , FreeBSD Hackers , -current , Luigi Rizzo , Roger Hardiman , Mike Smith Subject: Re: bktr over new I2C framework, ready In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:42:26 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:37:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > yes but what IS it? > > I have an I2C device attached to some programmable pins > and I understand the protocol, > but 'bktr' means nothing to me.. What is it? It's the brooktree video capture driver. Most cards featuring this animal also have tuners onboard, and the tuner is normally accessed via an I2C interface. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 16:57:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14621 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:57:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14614 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:57:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14388; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:56:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd014365; Mon Oct 12 16:56:46 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15247; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:56:44 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810122356.QAA15247@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: RMS on UDI To: chris@netmonger.net (Christopher Masto) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:56:44 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981009170312.A25247@netmonger.net> from "Christopher Masto" at Oct 9, 98 05:03:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Here's RMS and his own personal brand of FUD again, this time coming up > > with good reasons why UDI will make us all a cargo cult. Actually, he > > doesn't talk about us at all, just those G-cattle. > > > > http://slashdot.org/articles/98/10/04/2211242.shtml > > Actually a very reasonable argument, consistent with RMS' stated > philosophy and values, and incorporating several suggested courses of > action to help the free software community. For a sufficiently vague definitions of "help" and "free" and "community"... ;-). NarF! Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 17:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17993 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:22:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17987 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:22:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA20878; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:52:06 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA09004; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:51:11 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981013095111.M21983@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:51:11 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: ed mill , FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com References: <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com>; from ed mill on Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 03:45:00PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Format autorecovered at freebie.lemis.com] On Monday, 12 October 1998 at 15:45:00 -0400, ed mill wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:21:18 +0930 From:Greg Lehey writes: >>> From: needinfo@juno.com >>> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:26:43 EDT >>>> From:Greg Lehey Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:38:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> >>>> FIRST, FIND THE KEY MARKED "Caps Lock". PRESS IT. Aaah, that's >>>> better, isn't it? >>> >>>> Next, send a message to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with the text "subscribe >>>> FreeBSD-newbies". Do what the reply says. Lurk for a few days. >>>> Enjoy. >>> >>> thank you so much for your considerate and informative information. >>> first impression are just that and your's is great. >>> >>> we have an interest in bsd dos binaries, to everything relating to bsd >>> code. from your view point, what code or other stuff is needed by bsd? >>> that is what was really meant by the request. >>> >>> I've told you where to start: Please leave -hackers alone until you >>> know how to express yourself. >> >> Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable >> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:27:40 -0400 (EDT) >> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >> grog@lemis.com and 19981010142118.Q3369@freebie.lemis.com >> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- While talking to >> freebie.lemis.com.: >> Mail rejected. See www.lemis.com/dontspam.html >> Service unavailable while talking to allegro.lemis.com and grog@lemis.com and >> 19981010142118.Q3369@freebie.lemis.com Mail rejected Service unavailable >> grog@freebie.lemis.com Action: failed to all accounts > > > HI GREG, Hi, Ed. To make reading this message even bearable, I'm converting it to all lower case. > we sent you a message but it came back undeliverable. why? See what you wrote above: >> Mail rejected. See www.lemis.com/dontspam.html > in that message we asked you to answer the request in your own terms and > condition. > > the question is: what do you, greg, think is needed by bsd? > > that is all we were trying to say. the following is what we tried to > send to you earlier. Yes, you've repeated that question several times. I still don't know what your real question is. > we prefer all caps it looks better and as more people the use this method > of communication, the useless ideas and conventions of the past will fall > be the way side. That's your choice, of course. As far as I am concerned, I find it a real pain. I normall delete messages written in ALL CAPS without reading them. > like the use of all caps in the case and the > telegraph, smoke signals, and the drum lead other cases.we prefer all > caps it looks better and as more people the use this method of > communication, the useless ideas and conventions of the past will fall be > the way side. I think all caps fit well into this category. > like the use of all caps in the case and the telegraph, smoke > signals, and the drum lead other cases. I don't really understand this sentence either. It took me about 5 minutes to reformat this message until it was even vaguely legible. Having done so, I still don't find any useful content. The reason why your message is being rejected is stated at http://www.lemis.com/dontspam.html: Juno is a known spam harvester, so we block them. I'd strongly recommend getting a reputable ISP. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 17:32:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19160 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19138; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05831; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:31:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199810130031.RAA05831@rah.star-gate.com> To: Julian Elischer cc: Nicolas Souchu , FreeBSD Hackers , -current , Luigi Rizzo , Roger Hardiman , Mike Smith , hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: bktr over new I2C framework, ready In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:42:26 PDT." Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:31:55 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG bktr -- the bt848 video capture driver for freebsd. Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 17:58:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23112 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23104 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA21002; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:28:11 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA09210; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:28:10 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981013102810.O21983@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:28:10 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith , "Paul M. Balyeat" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: devfs? References: <199810121753.KAA06970@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199810121753.KAA06970@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 10:53:48AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 12 October 1998 at 10:53:48 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> Ok, I'm not sure if I'm mailing this to the right people, but this is a >> tech support request. > > This is the wrong place to send this sort of request; try > questions@freebsd.org. Well, -questions wouldn't be able to handle this one. DEVFS isn't supported. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 18:16:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25814 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25796 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:16:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01157; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810130120.SAA01157@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mikael Karpberg cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA problems... In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:48:38 +0200." <199810122248.AAA13243@ocean.campus.luth.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:20:39 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I just tried to install the newest BETA on current.freebsd.org on a > friend's computer. It worked, let's say, less then satisfactory. Somehow > the installation got messed up, but the main problem was that he had two > IDE drives. Both set to master, on separate comntrollers. On wd0 he had > Window and on wd2 he wanted FreeBSD... That, however, was not much to > FreeBSD's liking. > > At the "boot:" prompt, it would find the kernel at bios unit 1, but for > some inane reason it fails to recognize that the disk is NOT wd1, but wd2. > So you would manually have to enter "1:wd(2,a)kernel" or it would assume > "1:wd(1,a)kernel", and panic when trying to mount root. Why is this, and > shouldn't it be fixed? > > _Is_ it fixed in new boot code, perhaps? No. It's almost impossible to get the distinction right. The difficulty lies in working out which physical drives the BIOS numbers correspond to. Unless you have a *very* new system, there is simply no way to know that the BIOS drive 0x81 is in fact wd2. In order for this to work, the user has to provide the missing data, either by typing 1:wd(2a)kernel every time (tedious) or putting it in /boot.config. Note that you are wrong; the disk is *not* wd1, it's wd2. Check your kernel config if you don't believe me. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 18:24:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27482 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:24:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27476 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:24:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from housley@frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.74.160]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA15025 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osprey.notepage.com (cat.frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [192.168.69.48]) by frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08259 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:24:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from housley@osprey.notepage.com) Message-ID: <3622ABD9.68489F4A@osprey.notepage.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:24:41 -0400 From: "James E. Housley" Organization: PR Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Fwd: 3.0-BETA (aout) and ports and X11R6] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------EB03E2DA1BD87D062F207F08" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EB03E2DA1BD87D062F207F08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- James E. Housley PGP: 1024/03983B4D System Supply, Inc. 2C 3F 3A 0D A8 D8 C3 13 Pager: pagejim@notepage.com 7C F0 B5 BF 27 8B 92 FE --------------EB03E2DA1BD87D062F207F08 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3622A61D.4D730395@osprey.notepage.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:00:13 -0400 From: "James E. Housley" Organization: PR Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 3.0-BETA (aout) and ports and X11R6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just did a compile base upgrade for 2.2.7-STABLE to 3.0-current (cvs -r HEAD). Not wanting to make a huge jump at once I set my OBJFORMAT to aout. Everything went fine. However sendmail is looking for libwrap in /usr/local/lib/aout and tcpwrappers installs its library in /usr/local/lib. The default aout ldconfig is /usr/X11R6/lib/aout but the compile XFree-aout that I got Friday (10/10/98) installs its libraries in /usr/X11R6/lib. These are minor and both I have over come. I thought I would mention them. Jim. -- James E. Housley PGP: 1024/03983B4D System Supply, Inc. 2C 3F 3A 0D A8 D8 C3 13 Pager: pagejim@notepage.com 7C F0 B5 BF 27 8B 92 FE --------------EB03E2DA1BD87D062F207F08-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 18:58:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02975 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:58:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02970 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29791; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: needinfo@juno.com (ed mill) cc: FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@allegro.lemis.com Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:45:00 EDT." <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:58:15 -0700 Message-ID: <29787.908243895@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > WE SENT YOU A MESSAGE BUT IT CAME BACK UNDELIVERABLE. WHY? PROBABLY BECAUSE HE ADDED YOU TO HIS CAPS FILTER, AS I JUST HAVE. BYE BYE JUNO.COM. WE NEVER LIKED YOU ANYWAY. > WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD > OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL > BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE AN INTERESTING POINT OF VIEW. I DON'T THINK IT WILL CATCH ON THOUGH BECAUSE OF THE WASTE OF INK FOR THOSE WHO ALSO PRINT OUT ALL THEIR EMAIL IN ORDER TO READ IT. BEST REGARDS AND ALL THAT, - [Jj][Oo][Rr][Dd][Aa][Nn] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 19:04:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03842 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:04:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03816 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01480; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810130208.TAA01480@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: needinfo@juno.com (ed mill), FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@allegro.lemis.com Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:58:15 PDT." <29787.908243895@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:08:18 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I guess the endorphin rush from bossing people around does different things to different people (cf. Christopher etc.) At least your manifestations are amusing. 8) > > WE SENT YOU A MESSAGE BUT IT CAME BACK UNDELIVERABLE. WHY? > > PROBABLY BECAUSE HE ADDED YOU TO HIS CAPS FILTER, AS I JUST HAVE. > BYE BYE JUNO.COM. WE NEVER LIKED YOU ANYWAY. > > > WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD > > OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL > > BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE > > AN INTERESTING POINT OF VIEW. I DON'T THINK IT WILL CATCH ON THOUGH > BECAUSE OF THE WASTE OF INK FOR THOSE WHO ALSO PRINT OUT ALL THEIR EMAIL > IN ORDER TO READ IT. BEST REGARDS AND ALL THAT, > > - [Jj][Oo][Rr][Dd][Aa][Nn] > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 21:32:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24560 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from abby.skypoint.net (abby.skypoint.net [199.86.32.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24555 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bruce@zuhause.mn.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by abby.skypoint.net (8.8.7/jl 1.3) with UUCP id XAA02244; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:32:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from bruce@localhost) by zuhause.mn.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id XAA06387; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:18:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Bruce Albrecht Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:18:25 -0500 (CDT) To: needinfo@juno.com (ed mill) cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com In-Reply-To: <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com> References: <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13858.54124.33219.449851@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ed mill writes: > WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD > OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL > BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE > TELEGRAPH, SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES.WE PREFER ALL > CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD OF > COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL BE > THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE TELEGRAPH, > SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES. I thought the "ALL CAPS" look departed with the demise of the Teletype model 33 and all those old line printers. It must be another one of those "return to the 70's" styles. I didn't much like bell-bottoms, and I don't like "ALL CAPS", either. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 22:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03992 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:32:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ridge.spiritone.com (ridge.spiritone.com [205.139.108.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03987 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dionn@spiritone.com) Received: from spiritone.com (us4a-18.spiritone.com [206.98.120.18]) by ridge.spiritone.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26643; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3622E5AE.D15CA436@spiritone.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:31:26 -0700 From: Haze Organization: Organized? Me? Ha! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Albrecht CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com References: <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com> <13858.54124.33219.449851@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 13-Oct-98 @ 4:18:25, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > ed mill writes: > > WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD > > OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL > > BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE > > TELEGRAPH, SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES.WE PREFER ALL > > CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD OF > > COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL BE > > THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE TELEGRAPH, > > SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES. > > I thought the "ALL CAPS" look departed with the demise of the Teletype > model 33 and all those old line printers. It must be another one of > those "return to the 70's" styles. I didn't much like bell-bottoms, > and I don't like "ALL CAPS", either. The US govt. still uses all caps in most of the US Code documents. They've also been consistently failing Y2k tests. It doesn't surprise me, though. How can we expect them to comply with a current tech issue when they haven't even upgraded to a two-case alphabet yet? :-) -- Knowledge is the perception of truth distorted by reality PGP Key: www.spiritone.com/~dionn/pgpkey Fingerprint: 312E F076 35D0 8EEB 4B2A DC8A 04FC 1543 3B2C 0502 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 12 22:51:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05831 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:51:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from WEBBSD1.turnaround.com.au (webbsd1.turnaround.com.au [203.39.138.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05825 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from J_Shevland@TurnAround.com.au) Received: from TurnAround.com.au (dhcp72.turnaround.com.au [192.168.1.72]) by WEBBSD1.turnaround.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02506; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:54:26 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from J_Shevland@TurnAround.com.au) Message-ID: <3622E9FE.CE2C54A7@TurnAround.com.au> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:49:50 +1100 From: Joe Shevland Organization: TurnAround Solutions Pty. Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Haze CC: Bruce Albrecht , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com References: <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com> <13858.54124.33219.449851@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> <3622E5AE.D15CA436@spiritone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Haze wrote: > > On 13-Oct-98 @ 4:18:25, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > > ed mill writes: > > > WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD > > > OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL > > > BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE > > > TELEGRAPH, SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES.WE PREFER ALL > > > CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD OF > > > COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL BE > > > THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE TELEGRAPH, > > > SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES. > > > > I thought the "ALL CAPS" look departed with the demise of the Teletype > > model 33 and all those old line printers. It must be another one of > > those "return to the 70's" styles. I didn't much like bell-bottoms, > > and I don't like "ALL CAPS", either. > > The US govt. still uses all caps in most of the US Code documents. > [snipped off] Useless ideas and conventions of the past? I thought punctuation and grammar actually added to the written language; in fact I'm sure it does, because the ALL CAPS above is impossible to understand. Even the original posting didn't make any sense. THE CAPS ABOVE LOOKS LIKE A 40-COL APPLE IIE; ANYONE THAT ADVOCATES ALL CAPS OVER GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT ENGLISH SHOULD BE BACK WHERE THEY OBVIOUSLY WANT TO BE: THE DAYS OF THE SMOKE SIGNAL. Who votes that this thread is stopped, with the general concensus being that we should type following {educated|human} conventions? -- Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 00:31:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13914 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA13909 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:31:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id JBIGOWQJ; Tue, 13 Oct 98 07:31:30 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981013092633.0090ae40@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:26:33 +0200 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Uhm, jmb, how about killfiling .*@juno\.com? Indeed. I have recieved multiple spams from them earlier, and I'm not going to be impressed by uppercase mail in the wrong lists as well. --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 01:13:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18713 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:13:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18697 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:13:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA24007 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:12:49 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA26281; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:12:48 +0800 Message-Id: <199810130812.QAA26281@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pppd & logging into NT servers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:12:48 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I can login to an NT server using userland ppp with those weirdo ms extensions, but am at a loss on how to do this with pppd. Has anyone done this, and if so, how? Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 03:23:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04861 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:23:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04854 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:23:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA14896; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:20:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199810131020.MAA14896@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: Re: BETA problems... In-Reply-To: <199810130120.SAA01157@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Oct 12, 98 06:20:39 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:20:45 +0200 (CEST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Mike Smith: > > At the "boot:" prompt, it would find the kernel at bios unit 1, but for > > some inane reason it fails to recognize that the disk is NOT wd1, but wd2. > > So you would manually have to enter "1:wd(2,a)kernel" or it would assume > > "1:wd(1,a)kernel", and panic when trying to mount root. Why is this, and > > shouldn't it be fixed? > > > > _Is_ it fixed in new boot code, perhaps? > > No. It's almost impossible to get the distinction right. Ick :-( > The difficulty lies in working out which physical drives the BIOS > numbers correspond to. Unless you have a *very* new system, there is > simply no way to know that the BIOS drive 0x81 is in fact wd2. In > order for this to work, the user has to provide the missing data, > either by typing 1:wd(2a)kernel every time (tedious) or putting it in > /boot.config. Well... sysinstall knows you will have this problem since it knows you have a wd2 but not wd1. it seems it would be trivial to make sysinstall put a /kernel.config with that info in it on the root if you put the root on wd2? > Note that you are wrong; the disk is *not* wd1, it's wd2. Check your > kernel config if you don't believe me. Umm... that's what I said: "...that the disk is NOT wd1, but wd2." :-) /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 04:08:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11181 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 04:08:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ceia.nordier.com (m1-23-dbn.dial-up.net [196.34.155.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11172 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 04:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rnordier@nordier.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA03092; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:04:56 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199810131104.NAA03092@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Re: BETA problems... In-Reply-To: <199810130120.SAA01157@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Oct 12, 98 06:20:39 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:04:49 +0200 (SAT) Cc: karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > I just tried to install the newest BETA on current.freebsd.org on a > > friend's computer. It worked, let's say, less then satisfactory. Somehow > > the installation got messed up, but the main problem was that he had two > > IDE drives. Both set to master, on separate comntrollers. On wd0 he had > > Window and on wd2 he wanted FreeBSD... That, however, was not much to > > FreeBSD's liking. > > > > At the "boot:" prompt, it would find the kernel at bios unit 1, but for > > some inane reason it fails to recognize that the disk is NOT wd1, but wd2. > > So you would manually have to enter "1:wd(2,a)kernel" or it would assume > > "1:wd(1,a)kernel", and panic when trying to mount root. Why is this, and > > shouldn't it be fixed? > > > > _Is_ it fixed in new boot code, perhaps? > > No. It's almost impossible to get the distinction right. > > The difficulty lies in working out which physical drives the BIOS > numbers correspond to. Unless you have a *very* new system, there is > simply no way to know that the BIOS drive 0x81 is in fact wd2. In > order for this to work, the user has to provide the missing data, > either by typing 1:wd(2a)kernel every time (tedious) or putting it in > /boot.config. Any reason we can't pick this up from d_typename? 00000200 57 45 56 82 05 00 00 00 77 64 30 73 32 00 00 00 |WEV.....wd0s2...| This is on my list of things to test in the new boot2. -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 08:44:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07294 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07253 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:43:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA21969; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:43:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:43:36 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "James E. Housley" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: 3.0-BETA (aout) and ports and X11R6] References: <3622ABD9.68489F4A@osprey.notepage.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 13 Oct 1998 17:43:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: "James E. Housley"'s message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:24:41 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA07288 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "James E. Housley" writes: > I just did a compile base upgrade for 2.2.7-STABLE to 3.0-current (cvs > -r HEAD). Not wanting to make a huge jump at once I set my OBJFORMAT to > aout. You should just leave it alone. OBJFORMAT defaults to aout. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 10:56:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23250 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23242 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:56:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4031.ime.net [209.90.195.41]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id NAA16621; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:55:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981013135308.00a975f0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:55:07 -0400 To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: pppd & logging into NT servers In-Reply-To: <199810130812.QAA26281@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmm.. Dunno.. I'm going to integrate a question into that. Is there any way to make userland ppp route IPX? I noticed it doesn't on its own, using MGetty to pass off my PAP no problem. Trying to get it to route the proto used most within our system.. At 04:12 PM 10/13/98 +0800, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: >I can login to an NT server using userland ppp with those weirdo ms >extensions, but am at a loss on how to do this with pppd. Has anyone done >this, and if so, how? > > > Stephen >-- > The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. > > "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce > the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know > this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 12:07:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02477 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:07:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02472 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17665; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:07:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199810131907.MAA17665@austin.polstra.com> To: shocking@prth.pgs.com Subject: Re: pppd & logging into NT servers In-Reply-To: <199810130812.QAA26281@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> References: <199810130812.QAA26281@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:07:11 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199810130812.QAA26281@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com>, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: > I can login to an NT server using userland ppp with those weirdo ms > extensions, but am at a loss on how to do this with pppd. Has anyone done > this, and if so, how? I've done it. I'm not sure I understand what your question is. Are you asking about the MS-CHAP authentication for dialing in with pppd? If so, you need the very latest pppd from -current. I just fixed a bug in the MS-CHAP authentication code a day or two ago. Also, you need to uncomment the stuff in the Makefile that compiles it in. (We are in feature freeze, but I will make it do the right thing after 3.0 is released.) I've also been able to make pppd work with a port of the Linux PPTP client. But that's another story. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 12:47:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09014 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:47:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09008 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00781; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810131951.MAA00781@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mikael Karpberg cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA problems... In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:20:45 +0200." <199810131020.MAA14896@ocean.campus.luth.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:51:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The difficulty lies in working out which physical drives the BIOS > > numbers correspond to. Unless you have a *very* new system, there is > > simply no way to know that the BIOS drive 0x81 is in fact wd2. In > > order for this to work, the user has to provide the missing data, > > either by typing 1:wd(2a)kernel every time (tedious) or putting it in > > /boot.config. > > Well... sysinstall knows you will have this problem since it knows you have > a wd2 but not wd1. it seems it would be trivial to make sysinstall put > a /kernel.config with that info in it on the root if you put the root on wd2? Funny you should mention this; I was just pondering where the possible failure cases for this might lie. Mostly, they're only where you'd break the generated /etc/fstab as well, so I think it's a goer. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 12:54:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10660 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:54:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10649 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:54:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00823; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810131957.MAA00823@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Robert Nordier cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA problems... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Oct 1998 13:04:49 +0200." <199810131104.NAA03092@ceia.nordier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:57:51 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > The difficulty lies in working out which physical drives the BIOS > > numbers correspond to. Unless you have a *very* new system, there is > > simply no way to know that the BIOS drive 0x81 is in fact wd2. In > > order for this to work, the user has to provide the missing data, > > either by typing 1:wd(2a)kernel every time (tedious) or putting it in > > /boot.config. > > Any reason we can't pick this up from d_typename? > > 00000200 57 45 56 82 05 00 00 00 77 64 30 73 32 00 00 00 |WEV.....wd0s2...| You lose if the disk has been moved. > This is on my list of things to test in the new boot2. The loader will (probably) have a better chance at this; it should be feasible to work out the number of units on each IDE controller either from the available PnP data or (*shudder*) by poking at them. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 14:31:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00130 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:31:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00124 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00792; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:31:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19981013163116.24587@futuresouth.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:31:16 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Bruce Albrecht Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com References: <19981012.153922.7463.11.needinfo@juno.com> <13858.54124.33219.449851@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <13858.54124.33219.449851@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org>; from Bruce Albrecht on Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 11:18:25PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 11:18:25PM -0500, Bruce Albrecht woke me up to tell me: > ed mill writes: > > WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD > > OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL > > BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE > > TELEGRAPH, SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES.WE PREFER ALL > > CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD OF > > COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL BE > > THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE TELEGRAPH, > > SMOKE SIGNALS, AND THE DRUM LEAD OTHER CASES. > > I thought the "ALL CAPS" look departed with the demise of the Teletype > model 33 and all those old line printers. It must be another one of > those "return to the 70's" styles. I didn't much like bell-bottoms, > and I don't like "ALL CAPS", either. Not to mention, I'm not clear on exactly how telegraph and smoke signals used caps. Is *- capital or lowercase? Hmm... thast time I used all caps was... When I wrote an IBM BASICA program to calculate the Fibonacci sequence... *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 15:16:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07870 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:16:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soleil.uvsq.fr (soleil.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07826; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:16:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from son@cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr) Received: from cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr (rtc105.reseau.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.21]) by soleil.uvsq.fr (8.9.1/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id AAA03149 ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:15:53 +0200 (METDST) Received: (from son@localhost) by cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr (8.9.1/8.8.5) id XAA00421; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:52:47 GMT Message-ID: <19981013235246.02264@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:52:46 +0000 From: Nicolas Souchu To: Julian Elischer Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , -current , Luigi Rizzo , Roger Hardiman , Mike Smith , Marc Bouget Subject: Re: bktr over new I2C framework, ready References: <19981012195634.06516@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Julian Elischer on Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 03:42:26PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD breizh 3.0-BETA FreeBSD 3.0-BETA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 03:42:26PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: >yes but what IS it? > >I have an I2C device attached to some programmable pins >and I understand the protocol, >but 'bktr' means nothing to me.. What is it? > >julian > >On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Nicolas Souchu wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> bktr over the new I2C framework is now ready. Although, no man page is >> available :( This is my next priority. >> >> But it works. Ready to test it? >> >> -- Sorry, I'm not generous in details :) I2C is a very powerful and low-cost serial bus specified by Philips for multimedia purposes. A master chip on the bus controls slave chips (memories, voltage sensors, termometers, EEPROMs, batteries) with any byte oriented protocol. The System Management Bus found on laptops to control battery is an example of such protocols. Asus motherboards have monitoring capabilities (controling temperature, ventilators rotation speed) with rely on an I2C bus with the SMB protocol. I2C may be controled by hardware (writing to regiters to send bytes on the bus) or by software (twiggling line directly) bktr is the driver of the Brooktree848 video chipset found for example on TV video cards. The bt848 chip has I2C capabilities on-chip to control tuners, sound processors... the bt848 has both software and hardware capabilities. I2C busses are growing like mushrooms. Since the 430TX, Intel incorporates I2C to its chips. The Apollo, Aladdin chipsets may act as master over an I2C bus too. The idea of the FreeBSD I2C system is to offer a general purpose framework in order to avoid rewritting i2c common functions in every driver and propose for example generic i/o for any card that has an external I2C connector. bktr now relies on the new I2C framework. Other drivers that use I2C protocol should too. I'm about to write manpages and gather some urls on a web page. Nicolas. -- Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 18:15:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08888 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:15:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08879 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:15:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01640; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd001601; Tue Oct 13 18:14:53 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21361; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:14:50 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810140114.SAA21361@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BETA problems... To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:14:50 +0000 (GMT) Cc: karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810130120.SAA01157@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 12, 98 06:20:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > _Is_ it fixed in new boot code, perhaps? > > No. It's almost impossible to get the distinction right. > > The difficulty lies in working out which physical drives the BIOS > numbers correspond to. Unless you have a *very* new system, there is > simply no way to know that the BIOS drive 0x81 is in fact wd2. In > order for this to work, the user has to provide the missing data, > either by typing 1:wd(2a)kernel every time (tedious) or putting it in > /boot.config. Actually, you could MD5 the first N sectors of the disk using both VM86() I/O and kernel I/O, and if the MD5 matched, you've found your drive. If you have two drives that MD5 the same, tweak an unused portion of one of them using VM86() I/O and see which one got tweaked using kernel I/O, and, again, you've found your drive. It's *not* impossible, since this is how Windows 95/98 converts fd's opened using the INT 21 based I/O in AUTOEXEC.BAT to fd's that, when INT 21 I/O is done to them in protected mode (via thunk) into calls to the protected mode disk drivers and IFS layer (VFAT, VFAT32, etc.) instead. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 18:23:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10057 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:23:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10052 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:23:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02688; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:27:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810140127.SAA02688@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA problems... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:14:50 -0000." <199810140114.SAA21361@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:27:07 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > _Is_ it fixed in new boot code, perhaps? > > > > No. It's almost impossible to get the distinction right. > > > > The difficulty lies in working out which physical drives the BIOS > > numbers correspond to. Unless you have a *very* new system, there is > > simply no way to know that the BIOS drive 0x81 is in fact wd2. In > > order for this to work, the user has to provide the missing data, > > either by typing 1:wd(2a)kernel every time (tedious) or putting it in > > /boot.config. > > Actually, you could MD5 the first N sectors of the disk using both VM86() > I/O and kernel I/O, and if the MD5 matched, you've found your drive. Given that we've established that disk I/O via our vm86 interface is problematic (you were part of this discussion, remember?), this is a non-possibility. It'll have to be done by the bootstrap. > If you have two drives that MD5 the same, tweak an unused portion > of one of them using VM86() I/O and see which one got tweaked using > kernel I/O, and, again, you've found your drive. Define "unused". > It's *not* impossible, since this is how Windows 95/98 converts > fd's opened using the INT 21 based I/O in AUTOEXEC.BAT to fd's > that, when INT 21 I/O is done to them in protected mode (via thunk) > into calls to the protected mode disk drivers and IFS layer (VFAT, > VFAT32, etc.) instead. Int 0x21 I/O doesn't use BIOS unit numbering, it uses DOS unit numbering. The folks in Redmond have access to a lot more information than I/we do, not to mention that if they break something, it's the broken party's problem. We don't have that luxury. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 18:26:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10557 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:26:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10552 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:26:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05261; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:26:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd005154; Tue Oct 13 18:25:58 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21924; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:25:53 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810140125.SAA21924@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:25:53 +0000 (GMT) Cc: needinfo@juno.com, FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@allegro.lemis.com In-Reply-To: <29787.908243895@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Oct 12, 98 06:58:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD > > OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL > > BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE > > AN INTERESTING POINT OF VIEW. I DON'T THINK IT WILL CATCH ON THOUGH > BECAUSE OF THE WASTE OF INK FOR THOSE WHO ALSO PRINT OUT ALL THEIR EMAIL > IN ORDER TO READ IT. BEST REGARDS AND ALL THAT, Actually, for non-native English speakers coming from ideogrammatic writing forms (Kanji, Hangul, etc.), sticking to one case for all letters reduces by nearly half the symbol space that must be memorized in order to be able to read. Not that this would have to be upper case instead of lower case... A tell-tale question in this regard would be to ask how many people on this list can "get by" in pidgeon Japanese or Mandarin, but couldn't read the written form to save their lives. 8-). Not that I'm asking this question; it's rhetorical, since I already know the scale of the slope of the answer. I'm sure that using all uppercase for coded documents is to reduce by the square of the number of characters in the monocase alphabet the applicability of analysis techniques. I'm pretty sure that if you're using "juno", that differential analysis is the least of your message security worries. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 18:31:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11089 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:31:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11084 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07066; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:31:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd007014; Tue Oct 13 18:31:31 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22082; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:31:28 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810140131.SAA22082@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BETA problems... To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:31:27 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, mike@smith.net.au, karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810140127.SAA02688@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 13, 98 06:27:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > The difficulty lies in working out which physical drives the BIOS > > > numbers correspond to. Unless you have a *very* new system, there is > > > simply no way to know that the BIOS drive 0x81 is in fact wd2. In > > > order for this to work, the user has to provide the missing data, > > > either by typing 1:wd(2a)kernel every time (tedious) or putting it in > > > /boot.config. > > > > Actually, you could MD5 the first N sectors of the disk using both VM86() > > I/O and kernel I/O, and if the MD5 matched, you've found your drive. > > Given that we've established that disk I/O via our vm86 interface is > problematic (you were part of this discussion, remember?), this is a > non-possibility. It'll have to be done by the bootstrap. I was, but I don't rememebr why it was problematic. I remember that there were issues specific to the attempted implementation, and which I thought were architectural issues not related to whether or not the access method was a good idea. My take on it was "If it can be done by Microsoft engineers, it can be done by FreeBSD engineers". > > If you have two drives that MD5 the same, tweak an unused portion > > of one of them using VM86() I/O and see which one got tweaked using > > kernel I/O, and, again, you've found your drive. > > Define "unused". Assuming that VM86() is an issue, the bytes in the cylinder following the disklabel and boot sector, whose end is identifiable by 0xaa55. Alternately "anything that won't interfere with me booting, and which I will know to put back later". For example, if we allowed FreeBSD to boot off both an 0xa5 partition type and another partition type, then the partition type could be toggled to one or the other without affecting the bootability of FreeBSD. > > It's *not* impossible, since this is how Windows 95/98 converts > > fd's opened using the INT 21 based I/O in AUTOEXEC.BAT to fd's > > that, when INT 21 I/O is done to them in protected mode (via thunk) > > into calls to the protected mode disk drivers and IFS layer (VFAT, > > VFAT32, etc.) instead. > > Int 0x21 I/O doesn't use BIOS unit numbering, it uses DOS unit > numbering. The folks in Redmond have access to a lot more information > than I/we do, not to mention that if they break something, it's the > broken party's problem. We don't have that luxury. That's rather the point of me specifying INT 21 rather than INT 13... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 19:20:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19032 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:20:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19025 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03030; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:23:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810140223.TAA03030@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Terry Lambert cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA problems... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:31:27 -0000." <199810140131.SAA22082@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:23:59 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Actually, you could MD5 the first N sectors of the disk using both VM86() > > > I/O and kernel I/O, and if the MD5 matched, you've found your drive. > > > > Given that we've established that disk I/O via our vm86 interface is > > problematic (you were part of this discussion, remember?), this is a > > non-possibility. It'll have to be done by the bootstrap. > > I was, but I don't rememebr why it was problematic. I remember that > there were issues specific to the attempted implementation, and > which I thought were architectural issues not related to whether or > not the access method was a good idea. My take on it was "If it > can be done by Microsoft engineers, it can be done by FreeBSD engineers". It appears that it would involved bogotising our interrupt handling structure. I don't believe we're willing to take that penalty, so you can effectively write off any hope of vm86-based disk I/O from the kernel. > > > If you have two drives that MD5 the same, tweak an unused portion > > > of one of them using VM86() I/O and see which one got tweaked using > > > kernel I/O, and, again, you've found your drive. > > > > Define "unused". > > Assuming that VM86() is an issue, the bytes in the cylinder following > the disklabel and boot sector, whose end is identifiable by 0xaa55. ... where our bootstrap lives? Where the NT bootstrap lives? > Alternately "anything that won't interfere with me booting, and > which I will know to put back later". For example, if we allowed > FreeBSD to boot off both an 0xa5 partition type and another partition > type, then the partition type could be toggled to one or the other > without affecting the bootability of FreeBSD. There's probably a junk field somewhere, sure. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 19:20:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19081 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19070 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:20:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au) Received: (from ncb05@localhost) by banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA22936; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:20:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:20:36 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sysctl variables Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm interested in how i could go about setting up a kernel value, modifiable via sysctl from userland, which is an integer array. I am familiar with setting up MIB names that are a single integer, but I have yet to come across an example that allows modification of something like int somevalue[384732]; from userland. Any ideas? Cheers, Nick -- Email: ncb@poboxes.com - http://www.poboxes.com/ncb Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 13 19:24:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19283 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (phobos.illtel.denver.co.us [207.33.75.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19278 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us) Received: from localhost (abelits@localhost) by phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15302; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:23:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Belits To: Terry Lambert cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , needinfo@juno.com, FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@allegro.lemis.com Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com In-Reply-To: <199810140125.SAA21924@usr08.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD > > > OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL > > > BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE > > > > AN INTERESTING POINT OF VIEW. I DON'T THINK IT WILL CATCH ON THOUGH > > BECAUSE OF THE WASTE OF INK FOR THOSE WHO ALSO PRINT OUT ALL THEIR EMAIL > > IN ORDER TO READ IT. BEST REGARDS AND ALL THAT, > > Actually, for non-native English speakers coming from ideogrammatic > writing forms (Kanji, Hangul, etc.), sticking to one case for all > letters reduces by nearly half the symbol space that must be > memorized in order to be able to read. Those people are more accustomed to large symbol space, and the size of alphabet is unlikely to be one of their worries when they learn English. > Not that this would have to be upper case instead of lower case... If they use any kind of Unix -- definitely not. > A tell-tale question in this regard would be to ask how many > people on this list can "get by" in pidgeon Japanese or Mandarin, > but couldn't read the written form to save their lives. 8-). > > Not that I'm asking this question; it's rhetorical, since I already > know the scale of the slope of the answer. > > I'm sure that using all uppercase for coded documents is to reduce > by the square of the number of characters in the monocase alphabet > the applicability of analysis techniques. Considering the difference in frequency of use of upper and lowercase letters, there probably won't be any noticeable effect. > I'm pretty sure that if you're using "juno", that differential > analysis is the least of your message security worries. 8-). Since one can't be concerned about the security of email sent from juno to mailing list, "least" isn't applicable. -- Alex P.S. There is a discussion about guns in linux-kernel ML... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 01:28:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28286 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:28:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fwall.intrasoft.it (fwall.intrasoft.it [194.185.152.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28281 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:28:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberta@intrasoft.it) Received: from intrasoft.it (firewall.intrasoft.it [194.185.152.10]) by fwall.intrasoft.it (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA02725 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:31:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <36246173.83073A5B@intrasoft.it> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:31:47 +0200 From: Nicolis Roberta X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers Subject: network buffers problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have already asked this question and I got some answers but I haven't solved my problem. I often have the following network problem on our FreeBSD (Release 2.1.6): suddenly the network stop working and when I try to ping another host on the local network, ping returns the following message: No buffers space available The freebsd machine is a Pentium with 64MB of physical memory. I tried to solve the problem increasing the value of MAXUSERS in the kernel configuration file. Now it is set to 128, but I still have the problem. This freebsd computer is configured as domain name server,pop server, proxy server and firewall. I tried also to set "options MNBCLUSTERS=4096" in the kernel configuration file, but at least once a day I have the network crash. Is there anybody who has good ideas for this problem? Thanks bye Roberta Nicolis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 02:03:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01338 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:03:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saturn.aladdin.de ([194.123.19.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA01333 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:03:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cpg@aladdin.de) Received: by saturn.aladdin.de(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 4125669D.0036B594 ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:57:34 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AKS From: "Christian Groessler" To: roberta@intrasoft.it cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <4125669D.003648A9.00@saturn.aladdin.de> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:59:23 +0100 Subject: Re: network buffers problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, are you using the ep driver? If yes, it seems to be a driver problem (see kern/7042). Change network card to a different type should "fix" it ... regards, chris On 10/14/98 9:31:47 AM Nicolis Roberta wrote: > >Hi, > >I have already asked this question and I got some answers but I haven't solved my problem. >I often have the following network problem on our FreeBSD >(Release 2.1.6): suddenly the network stop working and when I try to >ping another host on the local network, ping returns the following >message: > >No buffers space available > >The freebsd machine is a Pentium with 64MB of physical memory. >I tried to solve the problem increasing the value of MAXUSERS in the >kernel configuration file. Now it is set to 128, but I still have the problem. >This freebsd computer is configured as domain name server,pop server, >proxy server and firewall. I tried also to set "options >MNBCLUSTERS=4096" in the kernel configuration file, but at least once a >day I have the network crash. > >Is there anybody who has good ideas for this problem? > >Thanks > >bye > >Roberta Nicolis > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 05:07:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16210 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:07:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA16205 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabtter@aye.net) Received: (qmail 29947 invoked by uid 2784); 14 Oct 1998 12:06:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Oct 1998 12:06:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:06:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Barrett Richardson Reply-To: Barrett Richardson To: Alex Belits cc: Terry Lambert , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , needinfo@juno.com, FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@allegro.lemis.com Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a theory that the sole purpose of the original posting was to collect e-mail addresses to be assembled later into a $29.95 spam kit. My rabtter@aye.net address for instance, I use it exclusively for this list -- and I get spam there; spammers had to be collecting addresses by watching the list. Needinfo@juno come has found a more novel approach, don't bother subscribing to the list, just post something non-sensical to the list and the e-mail addresses will come to you. Working like a charm so far. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 05:51:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19314 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from main.oldham.ru ([195.9.126.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19284 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:51:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from denis@oldham.ru) Received: from oldham.ru (gs.oldham.ru [195.9.126.188]) by main.oldham.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA27683 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:51:23 +0700 (NSS) (envelope-from denis@oldham.ru) Message-ID: <3624AC5B.DCCD053B@oldham.ru> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:51:23 +0600 From: Denis Organization: oldham X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: rdump doesn't work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! Last week I've been attempting to make rdump & I always fail :( I am trying: root@host1#rdump 0af denis@host2:/dev/null /usr DUMP: Connection to host2 established. DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Oct 14 19:39:56 1998 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping /dev/rsd0s1f (/usr) to /dev/null on host denis@host2 DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 3649482 tape blocks. DUMP: Lost connection to remote host. root@host1# ------------------ another example: root@host2#rdump 0af denis@localhost:/dev/null /usr DUMP: Connection to localhost established. DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed Oct 14 19:44:20 1998 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping /dev/rwd0s2f (/usr) to /dev/null on host denis@localhost DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 73072 tape blocks. DUMP: Lost connection to remote host. root@host2# ------------------ here is /usr/home/denis/.rhosts on host2: host1 denis host1 root localhost denis localhost root ------------------ host1 is 2.2.6-STABLE host2 is 2.2.7-RELEASE ------------------ Please help! Regards Denis A Ustimenko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 05:57:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19934 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:57:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19929 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:57:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4003.ime.net [209.90.195.13]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id IAA17696; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:56:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981014084902.00972100@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:52:53 -0400 To: "Christian Groessler" , roberta@intrasoft.it From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: network buffers problem Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4125669D.003648A9.00@saturn.aladdin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmm I was thinking a lack of settings on the driver end. Like, the IRQ's don't match up, or the IRQ does match up and the Port doesn't. That can cause some weird things to happen, especially with the EP (3Com 509 Compatible) driver.. I'm using EP0 and EP1 as two 3C509 16-bit NICs.. First thing I did was disabled plug and play on both and set real variables. Good way to find out if it's an IRQ or a PORT address issue is to try to download a stream from a local machine. Like do an FTP to a nearby Win95 machine or something. If the speed is severely low (like 2-15K/s) I'd aim for that instead. At 10:59 AM 10/14/98 +0100, Christian Groessler wrote: > > >Hello, >are you using the ep driver? >If yes, it seems to be a driver problem (see kern/7042). > >Change network card to a different type should "fix" it ... > >regards, >chris > > >On 10/14/98 9:31:47 AM Nicolis Roberta wrote: >> >>Hi, >> >>I have already asked this question and I got some answers but I haven't >solved my problem. >>I often have the following network problem on our FreeBSD >>(Release 2.1.6): suddenly the network stop working and when I try to >>ping another host on the local network, ping returns the following >>message: >> >>No buffers space available >> >>The freebsd machine is a Pentium with 64MB of physical memory. >>I tried to solve the problem increasing the value of MAXUSERS in the >>kernel configuration file. Now it is set to 128, but I still have the >problem. >>This freebsd computer is configured as domain name server,pop server, >>proxy server and firewall. I tried also to set "options >>MNBCLUSTERS=4096" in the kernel configuration file, but at least once a >>day I have the network crash. >> >>Is there anybody who has good ideas for this problem? >> >>Thanks >> >>bye >> >>Roberta Nicolis >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 06:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20408 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20402 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4003.ime.net [209.90.195.13]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id JAA17706; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:01:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:57:26 -0400 To: Barrett Richardson From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com Cc: FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Kinda redundant to send it to 7 people and then to the list, so everyone else has been nuked in the CC field. --- He's already started to E-Mail me stupid questions.. I'm just going to end up placing a call to Juno/Denver about it. Needinfo@Juno.com, sounds like an account that someone made for the some purpose of mailing this list. I say (and still say), just add Juno to the filters, amongst Hotmail and some other choice/problematic domains. It seems that most of the people on the list have an account with an internet provider with some decent reputation, or their place of employment furnishes their mail account. But, that's just me.. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter OneNetwork Exchange Droobie@OneNetwork.orland.me.us 207-942-0275/207-471-2719 At 08:06 AM 10/14/98 -0400, Barrett Richardson wrote: > >I have a theory that the sole purpose of the original posting was to >collect e-mail addresses to be assembled later into a $29.95 spam kit. >My rabtter@aye.net address for instance, I use it exclusively for this >list -- and I get spam there; spammers had to be collecting addresses >by watching the list. > >Needinfo@juno come has found a more novel approach, don't bother >subscribing to the list, just post something non-sensical to the >list and the e-mail addresses will come to you. Working like a >charm so far. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 06:42:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24514 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:42:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24500 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:42:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from mercury (mercury [129.127.36.44]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id XAA04590; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:12:25 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by mercury; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27Nov97-0404PM) id AA30796; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:12:25 +0930 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:12:22 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Barrett Richardson Cc: FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Barrett Richardson wrote: > I have a theory that the sole purpose of the original posting was to > collect e-mail addresses to be assembled later into a $29.95 spam kit. That was my initial thought as well - I mean, what kind of username is "needinfo" other than the choice of a none-too-imaginative idiot who wanted to pull off the kind of scam you described ("Help me, I need info about your XXX"). The fact that this has got to be about the most effort-intensive method of harvesting spam addresses (targeting different mailing lists manually, however vaguely, in the hope of getting a handful of extra email addresses, most of which are likely already known to spammers) shows how desperate some people can get to pursue their chosen vocation :-) My only other comment is that forwarding your email back to someone you believe to be an email-harvester (now trimmed from the CC) was probably not the wisest of moves :-) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 07:37:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29705 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29691 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:37:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.NoDak.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23423; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:33:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:33:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199810141433.JAA23423@plains.NoDak.edu> To: denis@oldham.ru, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rdump doesn't work Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD-2.2.7-RELEASE has a bad rshd. it was discovered and corrected just after 2.2.7 was released. you can get the rshd.c from -stable on ftp.freebsd.org. or get the patches for 2.2.7 from the bug database (use the Search not the Support page in the FreeBSD web page), or you can ftp the patch/binaries from ftp.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/pub/freebsd/temp/... --mark. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 11:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01073 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00908 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18345; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:11:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13203; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:53:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199810141553.QAA13203@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Drew Baxter cc: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pppd & logging into NT servers In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:55:07 EDT." <4.1.0.67.19981013135308.00a975f0@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:53:40 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hmm.. Dunno.. I'm going to integrate a question into that. > > Is there any way to make userland ppp route IPX? I noticed it doesn't on > its own, using MGetty to pass off my PAP no problem. Trying to get it to > route the proto used most within our system.. [.....] Nope. Currently, the tun device doesn't support IPX either. I'd fix this at some point if I ever get a reasonable amount of time together - but that's not gonna happen in the near future :-/ > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > http://www.droo.orland.me.us -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 11:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03174 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:20:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03149 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4022.ime.net [209.90.195.32]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id OAA17956; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:17:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981014141431.00a92340@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:17:00 -0400 To: Brian@awfulhak.org, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: pppd & logging into NT servers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not a big problem. Most of the IPX stuff is with the Windows machines anyway, and I already told them what they can do with those. :-) Was just making sure I didn't have a switch problem and it really was supposed to... Noticed Win98 doesn't detect PAP from Userland PPP either, but it auths me and lets me in, good enough.. > Hmm.. Dunno.. I'm going to integrate a question into that. > > Is there any way to make userland ppp route IPX? I noticed it doesn't on > its own, using MGetty to pass off my PAP no problem. Trying to get it to > route the proto used most within our system.. [.....] Nope. Currently, the tun device doesn't support IPX either. I'd fix this at some point if I ever get a reasonable amount of time together - but that's not gonna happen in the near future :-/ > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > http://www.droo.orland.me.us -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 14:27:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28334 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:27:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from homer.talcom.net ([209.5.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28327 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leo@homer.talcom.net) Received: (from leo@localhost) by homer.talcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA28465; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981014172849.37756@talcom.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:28:49 -0400 From: Leo Papandreou To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com References: <29787.908243895@time.cdrom.com> <199810140125.SAA21924@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199810140125.SAA21924@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 01:25:53AM +0000 X-No-Archive: Yes X-Organization: Not very, no. X-Wife: Forgotten but not gone. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 01:25:53AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > WE PREFER ALL CAPS IT LOOKS BETTER AND AS MORE PEOPLE THE USE THIS METHOD > > > OF COMMUNICATION, THE USELESS IDEAS AND CONVENTIONS OF THE PAST WILL FALL > > > BE THE WAY SIDE. LIKE THE USE OF ALL CAPS IN THE CASE AND THE > > > > AN INTERESTING POINT OF VIEW. I DON'T THINK IT WILL CATCH ON THOUGH > > BECAUSE OF THE WASTE OF INK FOR THOSE WHO ALSO PRINT OUT ALL THEIR EMAIL > > IN ORDER TO READ IT. BEST REGARDS AND ALL THAT, > > Actually, for non-native English speakers coming from ideogrammatic > writing forms (Kanji, Hangul, etc.), sticking to one case for all > letters reduces by nearly half the symbol space that must be > memorized in order to be able to read. > > Not that this would have to be upper case instead of lower case... > > A tell-tale question in this regard would be to ask how many > people on this list can "get by" in pidgeon Japanese or Mandarin, > but couldn't read the written form to save their lives. 8-). > > Not that I'm asking this question; it's rhetorical, since I already > know the scale of the slope of the answer. > > I'm sure that using all uppercase for coded documents is to reduce > by the square of the number of characters in the monocase alphabet > the applicability of analysis techniques. > > I'm pretty sure that if you're using "juno", that differential > analysis is the least of your message security worries. 8-). Dont mince words. If someone is predisposed to using all uppercase then its a simple projection of the fact that they've gone through life having people SPEAK TO THEM LOUDLY AND SLOWLY SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 15:36:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09552 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:36:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA09537 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:36:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ratbert@phoenix.aye.net) From: ratbert@phoenix.aye.net Received: (qmail 10258 invoked by uid 2800); 14 Oct 1998 22:34:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Oct 1998 22:34:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: ratbert@phoenix.aye.net To: Kris Kennaway cc: FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Barrett Richardson wrote: > > > I have a theory that the sole purpose of the original posting was to > > collect e-mail addresses to be assembled later into a $29.95 spam kit. > > That was my initial thought as well - I mean, what kind of username is > "needinfo" other than the choice of a none-too-imaginative idiot who wanted to > pull off the kind of scam you described ("Help me, I need info about your > XXX"). The fact that this has got to be about the most effort-intensive method > of harvesting spam addresses (targeting different mailing lists manually, > however vaguely, in the hope of getting a handful of extra email addresses, > most of which are likely already known to spammers) shows how desperate some > people can get to pursue their chosen vocation :-) > > My only other comment is that forwarding your email back to someone you > believe to be an email-harvester (now trimmed from the CC) was probably not > the wisest of moves :-) > > Kris rabtter has morphed into ratbert :-) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 15:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13164 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from abraracourcix.galea.com (ppp123.229.mmtl.videotron.net [207.96.229.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13139 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sepotvin@videotron.ca) Received: from videotron.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abraracourcix.galea.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00805 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:17:09 GMT (envelope-from sepotvin@videotron.ca) Message-ID: <3624C075.5E49A768@videotron.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:17:09 +0000 From: "Stephane E. Potvin" Organization: Galea Network Security Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Intel 82558 driver/documentation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Does anyone have an idea where one could find programming documentation for this Ethernet chip? Intel rep keep saying that no such thing exits (sic). I am told that it is very similar to the 82557 (supported by fxp driver) but I want to check by myself the differences to make sure the driver supports it correctly. Thanks in advance! Stephane E. Potvin Galea Network Security. --- La vie est trop courte pour etre prise au serieux. anonyme To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 16:18:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16003 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:18:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15997 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:18:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22585; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:17:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd022552; Wed Oct 14 16:17:46 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA04380; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:17:43 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810142317.QAA04380@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Intel 82558 driver/documentation To: sepotvin@videotron.ca (Stephane E. Potvin) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:17:43 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3624C075.5E49A768@videotron.ca> from "Stephane E. Potvin" at Oct 14, 98 03:17:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Does anyone have an idea where one could find programming documentation > for this Ethernet chip? Intel rep keep saying that no such thing exits > (sic). I am told that it is very similar to the 82557 (supported by fxp > driver) but I want to check by myself the differences to make sure the > driver supports it correctly. Did you try going to www.intel.com, clicking "search", typing in "82558", and then clicking on the 14th item, which contains the string "datashts"? http://developer.intel.com/design/network/datashts/297360.htm 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 17:44:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27715 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:44:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from noether.blah.org ([203.41.78.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27704 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:44:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ada@noether.lab.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from ada@localhost) by noether.blah.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17939; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:43:06 +1000 (EST) From: Ada Message-Id: <199810150043.KAA17939@noether.blah.org> Subject: Re: Two Y chromosomes [ Was: Java-based Crypto Decoder Ring ...] In-Reply-To: From Jamie Bowden at "Oct 9, 98 10:06:39 am" To: jamie@itribe.net (Jamie Bowden) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:43:05 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: ada@bsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > Well, there are also issues with people having multiples of the X > > chromosome, too. So a person could have XXY or even XXXY. Or more > > X's, but people with a large number of additional chromosomes don't > > usually survive long. (Most aren't born alive.) Someone else > > reminded me that these (overmany X and overmany Y chromosomes) are > > known as Turner's and Klinefelter's syndromes, but I've forgotten > > which is which. > Multi Y is Klinefelter's. Did research on it for a biology class once. > Double Y's tend to be aggressive, and have varying degrees of mental > retardation (including none). The genitalia are undersized, and tend to > be only nominally functional. The research I did at the time (1984) > showed that %30 of a random sampling of violent criminals in the prison > system were YY's. The suggestion at the time was that improper cell > splits early in gestation were the cause. At least 1 X chromosome is necessary to survive. As a general rule, the more sex chromosomes, the taller the person. Turner's Syndrome (X0) sufferers tend to be short, have webbing on the neck and between the hands, infertile, appear to be female but do not menstruate and have vestigial dysfunctional ovaries. They also have strangely bent elbows (which bend at a typical angle of 30-40 degrees) Kleinefelter's Syndrome (XXY) causes phenotypical maleness. Individuals are tall, with long arms and legs, and often suffer from gynaecomastia (breast development) and infertility. These usually happen when a sperm/egg brings 0/2 sex chromosomes to the zygote, due to improper meiosis (splitting of a proto-germ cell to give it only half the number of chromosomes. sometimes one extra goes one way. this is the same process which causes down's syndrome (trisomy 21)). -- "The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat." -- Lily Tomlin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 18:19:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04139 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04134 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id SAA04891 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma004889; Wed Oct 14 18:18:55 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id SAA02921 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199810150118.SAA02921@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: bug with SIGIO? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:18:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, The program included below seems to indicate a bug with SIGIO, in that the process is not always getting signalled when the file descriptor is writable. If you run this program, it outputs for a while, then stops, then resumes when you hit return (which causes a readable condition). I've verified this behavior in 2.2.7 but not 3.0-current. Q1. Is this in fact a bug, or else a misunderstanding? Q2. If this is not a bug, what is the correct way to do this? I apologize if this is already know; didn't find anything in the PR database. Thanks, -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com #include #include #include #include #include #include void catch() { } int main(int ac, void *av[]) { sigset_t empty, block; int on = 1; fcntl(1, F_SETFL, O_NONBLOCK); ioctl(1, FIOASYNC, &on); sigemptyset(&empty); sigemptyset(&block); sigaddset(&block, SIGIO); sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, &block, NULL); signal(SIGIO, catch); for (;;) { int w = write(1, "!@#$%", 5); if (w < 0 && errno == EWOULDBLOCK) { sigsuspend(&empty); write(1, " resumed ", 7); } } } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 18:20:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04446 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04423 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:20:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA03198; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:50:17 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA01746; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:50:16 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981015105016.G586@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:50:16 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: ada@bsd.org, Jamie Bowden Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Two Y chromosomes [ Was: Java-based Crypto Decoder Ring ...] References: <199810150043.KAA17939@noether.blah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199810150043.KAA17939@noether.blah.org>; from Ada on Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 10:43:05AM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 15 October 1998 at 10:43:05 +1000, Ada wrote: >> On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Gregory Sutter wrote: >>> Well, there are also issues with people having multiples of the X >>> chromosome, too. So a person could have XXY or even XXXY. Or more >>> X's, but people with a large number of additional chromosomes don't >>> usually survive long. (Most aren't born alive.) Someone else >>> reminded me that these (overmany X and overmany Y chromosomes) are >>> known as Turner's and Klinefelter's syndromes, but I've forgotten >>> which is which. >> Multi Y is Klinefelter's. Did research on it for a biology class once. >> Double Y's tend to be aggressive, and have varying degrees of mental >> retardation (including none). The genitalia are undersized, and tend to >> be only nominally functional. The research I did at the time (1984) >> showed that %30 of a random sampling of violent criminals in the prison >> system were YY's. The suggestion at the time was that improper cell >> splits early in gestation were the cause. > > At least 1 X chromosome is necessary to survive. > As a general rule, the more sex chromosomes, the taller the person. > > Turner's Syndrome (X0) sufferers tend to be short, have webbing on the neck > and between the hands, infertile, appear to be female but do not menstruate > and have vestigial dysfunctional ovaries. They also have strangely bent > elbows (which bend at a typical angle of 30-40 degrees) Some of this matches Susanna quite well. They had the webbing on the neck removed at birth (and presumably between the fingers). I didn't examine her ovaries, though I'd heard of problems in that are, but I didn't notice anything wrong with her elbows. I'd been told she was XXY, but they definitely mentioned Turner's syndrome. What do you mean by X0? That's what cat breeders use to describe tortiseshells. > Kleinefelter's Syndrome (XXY) causes phenotypical maleness. Individuals > are tall, with long arms and legs, and often suffer from gynaecomastia > (breast development) and infertility. Hmm. That's not Susanna. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 18:56:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09825 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:56:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09793; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:56:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4046.ime.net [209.90.195.56]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id VAA18373; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:46:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981014213310.00a4c390@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:45:07 -0400 To: needinfo@juno.com (ed mill) From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD In-Reply-To: <19981014.212617.4279.1.needinfo@juno.com> References: <4.1.0.67.19981012161419.00a69140@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Blinding CCing this to -Chat and -hackers. Might as well answer it in some form, even if some of it is wrong. Just don't come after me with a Fiber-Optic Enema in tow, thanks. :-) --- BSD today is Berkeley Software Distribution. http://www.bsdi.com, they make a commercial version of BSD known as BSDI or BSD Interactive. Costs something insane like 1495$. Most flavors of BSD (Open and Free, as well as BSDI (I think)) will run on as little as a 386-16SX machine with 120 meg of drive and 4mb of RAM. However, my FreeBSD unit is a PII-333 128MB/4.3gig. Here is a generic 'minimum' breakdown.. This is what I think is the lowest I'd run FreeBSD on, especially if I wanted to do XWindows. * A Computer (I think that's obvious) This Computer would contain AT LEAST: * 486-DX2/66 Processor * Network Card (or some sort of connection to the internet, Modem works too) * 2MB Video, I like to run XWindows, so I have a supported video card as well. * At least 1.2gig of Drive Space dedicated to FreeBSD. * 12MB of RAM * A CD-ROM (as little as 2X ATAPI/IDE, most supported) (If you're using a modem, you'd probably want to get the CD Set for FreeBSD..) * A mouse (for X), a Keyboard (for typing) Some Things are Optional: * Sound Card (Sometimes hard to find a supported one, don't need it, don't want it) These things should get you on your way to a BSD-filled life. Good recommended reading material is "The Complete FreeBSD" and of course the many many many MAN pages (some outdated, but that's life). I used my 4.4BSD Systems Managers Manual I got from ORA (I think) a while ago. Was quite a find at the local Borders. The big thing is, Juno is not an internet service. If you are serious about working with the operating system, a good thing to have (especially for updates and all) is to get an account with an internet provider that provides a PPP link. Netcom, Earthlink, Mindspring, and GRID are a few of these. AOL is an example of one that does not. At 09:32 PM 10/14/98 -0400, you wrote: >HI DREW, > >YOUR MESSAGE IS UNCLEAR. EXPLAIN? > >OUR QUESTION WAS; WHAT DOES BSD NEED, FROM YOUR VIEW POINT. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 19:37:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16869 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:37:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from noether.blah.org ([203.41.78.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16858 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:37:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ada@noether.lab.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from ada@localhost) by noether.blah.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19341; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:33:33 +1000 (EST) From: Ada Message-Id: <199810150233.MAA19341@noether.blah.org> Subject: Re: Two Y chromosomes [ Was: Java-based Crypto Decoder Ring ...] In-Reply-To: <19981015105016.G586@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Oct 15, 98 10:50:16 am" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:33:33 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: ada@bsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Turner's Syndrome (X0) sufferers tend to be short, have webbing on the neck > > and between the hands, infertile, appear to be female but do not menstruate > > and have vestigial dysfunctional ovaries. They also have strangely bent > > elbows (which bend at a typical angle of 30-40 degrees) > > Some of this matches Susanna quite well. They had the webbing on the > neck removed at birth (and presumably between the fingers). I didn't > examine her ovaries, though I'd heard of problems in that are, but I > didn't notice anything wrong with her elbows. I'd been told she was > XXY, but they definitely mentioned Turner's syndrome. What do you > mean by X0? That's what cat breeders use to describe tortiseshells. 45 X0 - 1 X chromosome only, no other sex chromosomes. as opposed to normal 46XX. The funny elbows thing is difficult to visualise. stand upright, let your hands hang loose, with your palms facing forward. notice that your forearm bends outward slightly so that you avoid hitting your hips? this angle is more pronounced in women (15-20 degrees) than in men (~12 degrees), however is very pronounced in women with turner's syndrome. -- "The fear of death is the beginning of slavery." -- Hagbard Celine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 19:38:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16886 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:38:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA16881 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:37:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabtter@aye.net) Received: (qmail 4937 invoked by uid 2784); 15 Oct 1998 02:36:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Oct 1998 02:36:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:36:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Barrett Richardson To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: strange routing anomoly Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We have several FreeBSD boxes on the same network as our portmasters. The dial up lines are on a different class C network. What is happening is an arp entry is lost for a portmaster after a period of inactivity (normal). We have been relying on redirects from our router (which is a FreeBSD box) to restablish routes to the dialup lines via a portmaster (rip and ospf are partially broken on our portmasters). I can ping the dialup line, and get a redirect from the router on every single packet, even though an arp entry for the portmaster and route for the dialup ip get restablished on the first packet. The response times for the pings are horrible (over 1 second). I can kill ping, run it again, and thinks are ok (responses around a couple of milliseconds). Occasionally, during the night a user dials up and ftp's a sizable file from a server that has been quiet for a while, and it just kills our network. We're in the process of revamping the network to separate portmasters from servers at which point it'll cease to be a problem, it's just puzzleing. Is there a lot of overhead associated with generating redirects on a FreeBSD box? - Barrett Richardson rabtter@aye.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 20:27:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23470 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:27:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23459 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:27:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA14524; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810150326.UAA14524@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Stephane E. Potvin" Cc: Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel 82558 driver/documentation Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:26:24 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:17:09 +0000 "Stephane E. Potvin" wrote: > Does anyone have an idea where one could find programming documentation > for this Ethernet chip? Intel rep keep saying that no such thing exits > (sic). I am told that it is very similar to the 82557 (supported by fxp > driver) but I want to check by myself the differences to make sure the > driver supports it correctly. The 82558 is: 82557 [MAC] + 82555 [PHY] in one package. The fxp driver does indeed support it (I use it under NetBSD daily). Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: +1 408 866 1912 NAS: M/S 258-5 Work: +1 650 604 0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: +1 650 940 5942 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 20:39:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25044 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:39:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25039 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bf20761@binghamton.edu) Received: from localhost (bf20761@localhost) by bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA02618 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:39:30 -0400 (EDT) From: zhihuizhang X-Sender: bf20761@bingsun1 To: hackers Subject: Question about the buffer size Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am confused with the size of a buffer. Suppose I read two logical blocks from a file: block 1 and block 2. Later I want to read block 2 from the file. Since the buffer are indexed by (vnode,logical block number), the second read will not find the data already in memory. This problem must have already been addressed somehow in FreeBSD. That is probably to say that two different buffers can not contain the same data. I hope someone can give me enlightment. Thanks a lot. -------------------------------------------------- | Zhihui Zhang, http://cs.binghamton.edu/~zzhang | | Dept. of Computer Science, SUNY at Binghamton | -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 01:23:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22547 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:23:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA22542 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:23:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA03357; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdyQ3355; Thu Oct 15 08:21:53 1998 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Terry Lambert cc: "Stephane E. Potvin" , Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel 82558 driver/documentation In-Reply-To: <199810142317.QAA04380@usr04.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The 558 is exactly like a 557 plus a PHY. We use the fxp with it. works fine. (I have seen the chip get confused every now and then however) julian On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Does anyone have an idea where one could find programming documentation > > for this Ethernet chip? Intel rep keep saying that no such thing exits > > (sic). I am told that it is very similar to the 82557 (supported by fxp > > driver) but I want to check by myself the differences to make sure the > > driver supports it correctly. > > Did you try going to www.intel.com, clicking "search", typing in > "82558", and then clicking on the 14th item, which contains the > string "datashts"? > > http://developer.intel.com/design/network/datashts/297360.htm > > 8-). > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 01:35:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23715 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:35:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA23710 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:35:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id JCTOZEYJ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 08:35:29 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981015103032.00920a40@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:30:32 +0200 To: Drew Baxter From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981014085337.00974a30@genesis.ispace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >He's already started to E-Mail me stupid questions.. I'm just going to end >up placing a call to Juno/Denver about it. Needinfo@Juno.com, sounds like >an account that someone made for the some purpose of mailing this list. Won't work. Talk to their upstream. I've talked to Juno before, and the account in question has spammed me several times, hence my contact with Juno. It didn't work. --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 01:38:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24037 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA24029 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:38:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id JCTPMSSJ; Thu, 15 Oct 98 08:37:44 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981015103247.0094fbe0@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:32:47 +0200 To: Kris Kennaway , Barrett Richardson From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: Service unavailable to grog@lemis.com or grog@freebie.lemis.com Cc: FreeBsD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id BAA24033 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yup; they're harvesting email adresses for spam. But it gets even more pathetic, they actually bother to reply to your mails. I got a comment on my tagline, saying something like 'we think xxx wrote that tagline of yours, is this true' together with some (in)sensible stuff about BSD and uppercase. .oO[š Marius Bendiksen š]Oo. Dead girls don't say no. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 05:11:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13575 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from animaniacs.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA13564 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:11:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Received: from localhost (jamie@localhost) by animaniacs.itribe.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA04188; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:11:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:11:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: ada@bsd.org cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Two Y chromosomes [ Was: Java-based Crypto Decoder Ring ...] In-Reply-To: <199810150043.KAA17939@noether.blah.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Ada wrote: > > Multi Y is Klinefelter's. Did research on it for a biology class once. > > Double Y's tend to be aggressive, and have varying degrees of mental blah blah blah (from me originally). > > At least 1 X chromosome is necessary to survive. > As a general rule, the more sex chromosomes, the taller the person. I guess I should have made myslef clearer. XYY (I thought it was understood that everyone had at least one X). Jamie Bowden -- Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 07:18:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28541 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28536 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au) Received: (from ncb05@localhost) by banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA19462; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:17:57 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:17:56 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: random data for operations in kernel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What do people suggest would be the best way to derive a random value for use in a system call? Are there any examples in the present kernel source tree that perform this, or a similar operation? Thanks in advance, Nick -- Email: ncb@poboxes.com - http://www.poboxes.com/ncb Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 07:30:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00316 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:30:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA00309 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA06191; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:30:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:30:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: applixware discussion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm well aware that this is not a hacker thing, but memory tells me that it came up on this list. I am sorry if my memory is wrong. Anyway, I have the latest applixware release. It's 99 bucks. If you think it will let you share M$ office files with other M$ office users, it won't. The filters don't work. In particular, powerpoint and word graphics and charts get damaged or deleted. So if you're planning on getting applixware for M$ office interoperation, don't waste your money. Now if you just want an ok set of tools for office use, applixware is pretty nice. Unlike stupid M$ office tools, the files are not based on a binary format -- what a concept. There's lots of things to like in these tools, as long as working filters are not a concern. Sorry for this digression if this is a wrong list. Please don't followup to -hackers ron Ron Minnich |"Using Windows NT, which is known to have some rminnich@sarnoff.com | failure modes, on a warship is similar to hoping (609)-734-3120 | that luck will be in our favor"- A. Digiorgio ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 10:57:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00146 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:57:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00109 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:57:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA07183; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:56:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:56:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make of simple kernel fails after upgrade/make world Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG upgrade your system. Then do a config of a very simple kernel without any scsi in it. The kernel won't build, since a number of files don't get built unless a kernel with scsi has been built. So you have to config and build a generic or other scsi-based kernel, then build your own kernel. I don't know if this counts as a bug. ron Ron Minnich |"Using Windows NT, which is known to have some rminnich@sarnoff.com | failure modes, on a warship is similar to hoping (609)-734-3120 | that luck will be in our favor"- A. Digiorgio ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 16:50:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28719 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:50:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28642; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA13166; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:49:38 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA12023; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:49:38 +0800 Message-Id: <199810152349.HAA12023@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Need working kernel threads - here why Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:49:38 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The X inside Group have just released beta X servers that accelerate 3D features on some cards. This allows OpenGL stuff to run rather well. They state that they need a working threads implementation, and from some hints, I gather that user space threads aren't enough. They've released them for SCO Unixware & Linux. FreeBSD is prominent by its absence. Stephen PS - I intend having the /dev/3dfx driver mostly finished this weekend. I've had to cope with my source drive dying, and a number of emergencies at work. -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 17:05:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00980 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00975 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10175; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need working kernel threads - here why In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:49:38 +0800." <199810152349.HAA12023@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:05:49 -0700 Message-ID: <10171.908496349@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [-current removed; please don't crosspost. This is class -hackers material] > The X inside Group have just released beta X servers that accelerate 3D > features on some cards. This allows OpenGL stuff to run rather well. They > state that they need a working threads implementation, and from some hints, I > gather that user space threads aren't enough. They've released them for SCO > Unixware & Linux. FreeBSD is prominent by its absence. Have they said anything about what *kind* of threads they need? If not user space threads, what specifically do they require with kernel threads? These kinds of details need to be ironed out before a general call for volunteers is made or the volunteers have no idea what they're even supposed to be doing. We have some form of kernel threads in 3.0, but the user interface portion is undone and probably won't be done until someone gets with XiG or whomever and works out what the users even want. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 17:49:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07138 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:49:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA07130 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:49:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA15604; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:54:17 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199810160054.UAA15604@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Intel 82558 driver/documentation To: sepotvin@videotron.ca (Stephane E. Potvin) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3624C075.5E49A768@videotron.ca> from "Stephane E. Potvin" at Oct 14, 98 03:17:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Stephane E. Potvin had to walk into mine and say: > Hi, > > Does anyone have an idea where one could find programming documentation > for this Ethernet chip? Intel rep keep saying that no such thing exits > (sic). I am told that it is very similar to the 82557 (supported by fxp > driver) but I want to check by myself the differences to make sure the > driver supports it correctly. > > Thanks in advance! As people have said already, the 82558 is the same as an 82557 chip except with a built-in PHY. Intel's internal name for these chips is 'Speedo.' If your Intel rep says it doesn't exist, he's either lying to you or he's woefully underinformed. Both chips should be supported by the fxp driver. As for programming documentation, you need to contact a local Intel sales office and ask for the 82557 or 82558 Developer Kit, and prepare to sign a non disclosure agreement. If you rummage around at http://developer.intel.com you will find an datasheets for the 82557 and 82558 chips, but don't be fooled: these datasheets have been stategically emasculated. The 'software interface' section is only about 5 pages long (out of a total of 85) and doesn't give you any of the details about all of the registers in the chip and how to program them, nor does it describe the descriptor format. This information is in a developer's guide, which is part of the kit and covered by NDA. It may be possible to negotiate terms with Intel to allow you to release source code of any drivers you may wite, however you will still need to sign the NDA. This is of course completely stupid and I encourage you and all your friends to complain to Intel about this policy. Hopefully they'll eventually get the point and do away with the NDA requirement. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 17:52:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07486 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:52:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07437 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:51:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA07626; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199810160051.RAA07626@austin.polstra.com> To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM Subject: Re: make of simple kernel fails after upgrade/make world In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:51:31 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Ron G. Minnich wrote: > upgrade your system. Then do a config of a very simple kernel without any > scsi in it. The kernel won't build, since a number of files don't get > built unless a kernel with scsi has been built. So you have to config and > build a generic or other scsi-based kernel, then build your own kernel. I can't duplicate this problem on today's -current with the attached kernel config file. Can you be more specific? Are you sure you have an up-to-date /usr/sbin/config? Are you sure you ran make depend in the kernel build directory? John # # BLAKE # machine "i386" cpu "I686_CPU" ident BLAKE maxusers 32 options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options NFS #Network Filesystem options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console config kernel root on wd0 controller isa0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr pseudo-device ether pseudo-device gzip pseudo-device loop pseudo-device pty 16 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 17:54:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07868 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:54:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07842; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:54:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05104; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdec5100; Fri Oct 16 00:49:20 1998 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need working kernel threads - here why In-Reply-To: <199810152349.HAA12023@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG who is PGS Tensor? are you in Perth? (my old home town?) bumped into peter yet? julian (just looked at the website, where is 9320?) On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: > The X inside Group have just released beta X servers that accelerate 3D > features on some cards. This allows OpenGL stuff to run rather well. They > state that they need a working threads implementation, and from some hints, I > gather that user space threads aren't enough. They've released them for SCO > Unixware & Linux. FreeBSD is prominent by its absence. > > > Stephen > > PS - I intend having the /dev/3dfx driver mostly finished this weekend. I've > had to cope with my source drive dying, and a number of emergencies at work. > -- > The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. > > "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce > the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know > this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 19:45:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21838 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:45:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21828; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:45:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA08315; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:15:05 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA02867; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:14:59 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981016121458.U468@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:14:58 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Charlie Root , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: How cam I be writing LKM ? References: <199810161012.KAA07104@krasnavi.scn.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199810161012.KAA07104@krasnavi.scn.ru>; from Charlie Root on Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 10:12:31AM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [following up to -hackers] On Friday, 16 October 1998 at 10:12:31 +0000, Charlie Root wrote: Please don't send mail as root. We like to know who you are (and where you are; what part of Russia has a time zone offset of 0?). > > Answer please. Where can I get the documentation about writing LKM modules. This is an in-depth technical question, which belongs on -hackers, not -doc (which handles documenting the system). The simple answer is: there is no documentation except for a couple of man pages and the source code of other LKMs. That's how I started, and it wasn't too difficult. > Must I use standart libraris or kernel's internal calls ? It's a kernel module, so you need to use kernel calls. > I am beginner in writing to FreeBSD and Unix, but it is intresting for me > to undestand this question. Thank you. The best thing to understand is: now is a very bad time to write an LKM. They'll be going away and replaced by KLDs when the kernel goes to ELF (in the next few weeks). Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 19:55:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22814 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22790 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:54:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au) Received: (from ncb05@localhost) by banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA05043; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:54:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:54:32 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: How cam I be writing LKM ? In-Reply-To: <19981016121458.U468@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: [snip] > The best thing to understand is: now is a very bad time to write an > LKM. They'll be going away and replaced by KLDs when the kernel goes > to ELF (in the next few weeks). This is news to me, however as i don't keep up with -current and -stable lists, it's not really a suprise. Ok, so are KLD's going to be present in 3.0-RELEASE? Is there going to be better dox available for them than were present on lkm's? And where can I get some information on them now? Shucks, just when I was getting the hang of writing them too... :\ Nick -- Email: ncb@poboxes.com - http://www.poboxes.com/ncb Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 20:58:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02110 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:58:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02015 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA08619; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:27:52 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id NAA15303; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:27:51 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981016132750.C468@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:27:50 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Nicholas Charles Brawn Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: How cam I be writing LKM ? References: <19981016121458.U468@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Nicholas Charles Brawn on Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 12:54:32PM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 16 October 1998 at 12:54:32 +1000, Nicholas Charles Brawn wrote: > On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > [snip] >> The best thing to understand is: now is a very bad time to write an >> LKM. They'll be going away and replaced by KLDs when the kernel goes >> to ELF (in the next few weeks). > > This is news to me, however as i don't keep up with -current and -stable > lists, it's not really a suprise. > > Ok, so are KLD's going to be present in 3.0-RELEASE? Sort of. > Is there going to be better dox available for them than were present > on lkm's? Probably not :-) > And where can I get some information on them now? Peter Wemm seems to be spearheading the effort. We've done some mail exchange, but I haven't had time to look at it in detail. Maybe I'll write some documentation on it, but don't hold your breath. > Shucks, just when I was getting the hang of writing them too... :\ The story is that there's not much difference. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 21:54:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08975 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:54:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from humpty (dumpty.dpd.vic.gov.au [203.4.135.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA08899 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:54:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thing.chin@dpd.vic.gov.au) From: thing.chin@dpd.vic.gov.au Received: from localhost (nobody@localhost) by humpty (8.6.5/8.6.6) id OAA03926 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:58:29 +1000 Received: from unknown(192.231.34.71) by humpty via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma003924; Fri Oct 16 14:57:56 1998 Received: from re01 ([152.147.1.12]) by dpd.vic.gov.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08158 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:40:13 +1000 Received: from dpd.vic.gov.au (smtpgwy) by re01 with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA088693651; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:54:11 +1000 Received: from ccMail by dpd.vic.gov.au (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.01.01) id AA908513690; Fri, 16 Oct 98 14:54:53 +1000 Message-Id: <9810169085.AA908513690@dpd.vic.gov.au> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.01.01 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 01:01:15 +1000 To: Subject: No subject given Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG help To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 23:18:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17934 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17920 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Spinner) with ESMTP id NAA15779; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:49:45 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199810160549.NAA15779@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Greg Lehey cc: Nicholas Charles Brawn , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: How cam I be writing LKM ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:27:50 +0930." <19981016132750.C468@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:49:45 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > On Friday, 16 October 1998 at 12:54:32 +1000, Nicholas Charles Brawn wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > [snip] > >> The best thing to understand is: now is a very bad time to write an > >> LKM. They'll be going away and replaced by KLDs when the kernel goes > >> to ELF (in the next few weeks). > > > > This is news to me, however as i don't keep up with -current and -stable > > lists, it's not really a suprise. > > > > Ok, so are KLD's going to be present in 3.0-RELEASE? > > Sort of. Yes. Only just though.. But you have to choose to use them. If you use /boot/loader and compile the kernel for ELF, then you can even preload them. > > Is there going to be better dox available for them than were present > > on lkm's? > > Probably not :-) There will have to be, because the mechanism that drives KLD is also intended to replace the config(8) statically generated tables etc. > > And where can I get some information on them now? > > Peter Wemm seems to be spearheading the effort. We've done some mail > exchange, but I haven't had time to look at it in detail. Maybe I'll > write some documentation on it, but don't hold your breath. > > > Shucks, just when I was getting the hang of writing them too... :\ > > The story is that there's not much difference. Yes, at the moment. kld is a lot more powerful because it honours things like SYSINIT() in loaded files. Indeed, that's how the same source and binaries are used for producing kernels and modules. Look at the src/sys/ modules/* code, and the corresponding src/sys/* code that the module Makefiles build. In particular, DECLARE_MODULE() is what is used to create a visible module. Files contain zero or more modules. Theoretically modules should be self contained and self registering. I'm not so thrilled about the naming, but I used Doug and Mikes code and had to try and make it work together. We've got Doug's terminology. If I'd had (lots) more time, I'd probably have liked to change it a bit so that a kldload "file" was called a module, and what the present kernel code calls a module, I'd have called a "component" or something like that. The build process is pretty weak at the moment, it's more of a proof of concept than meant to be particularly useful. It's likely that a stronger dependency and versioning mechanism will be implemented at some point soon. Mike did a pretty good system but it wasn't integrated with the kernel linker and bus/device code which extensively used Doug's system in the alpha port. I still want to use Mike's design at the module (component) level. This is what my system looks like at the moment: 113# kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 4 0xf0100000 1406d0 kernel 2 1 0xf0241000 486e0 nfs.ko 3 1 0xf028a000 f758 linux.ko 4 1 0xf089a000 a000 ibcs2.ko 114# kldstat -v Id Refs Address Size Name 1 4 0xf0100000 1406d0 kernel Contains modules: Id Name 1 rootbus 3 procfs 4 ufs 5 mfs 6 if_loop 7 ipfw 10 aout 11 elf 12 execinterp 2 1 0xf0241000 486e0 nfs.ko Contains modules: Id Name 2 nfs 3 1 0xf028a000 f758 linux.ko Contains modules: Id Name 8 linuxaout 9 linuxelf 4 1 0xf089a000 a000 ibcs2.ko Contains modules: Id Name 13 ibcs2 This is on an ELF kernel, but I think the a.out kld's will still work. > Greg Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 23:31:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18864 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18859 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:31:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA06756 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:30:42 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA14793; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:30:42 +0800 Message-Id: <199810160630.OAA14793@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: LD_PRELOAD & Linux emulation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:30:40 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I understand that our own binaries can benefit from the LD_PRELOAD hack - however this does not seem to extend to Linux binaries under the emulator. How new is our Linux binary set anyway? Are there any plans to support glibc binaries? Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 15 23:42:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20766 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:42:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles312.castles.com [208.214.167.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20738 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:42:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01179 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:47:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810160647.XAA01179@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:47:25 -0700 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: LD_PRELOAD & Linux emulation Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth cc: emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LD_PRELOAD & Linux emulation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:30:40 +0800." <199810160630.OAA14793@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:47:25 -0700 From: Mike Smith Please ask emulation-related questions on the -emulation list (moved there). > I understand that our own binaries can benefit from the LD_PRELOAD > hack - however this does not seem to extend to Linux binaries under the > emulator. LD_PRELOAD is handled by the dynamic linker. If the Linux linker doesn't handle it, then you lose. > How new is our Linux binary set anyway? Are there any plans to > support glibc binaries? The current linux_lib port is a bit woefully old. We support glibc binaries, but you need a new set of libs. It's hard to work out which ones we should have, and harder still because there's no real "owner" of our Linux emulation at this point in time. - -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 03:23:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09196 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 03:23:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Thingol.KryptoKom.DE (Thingol.KryptoKom.DE [194.245.91.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09191 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 03:23:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Etienne.Debruin@KryptoKom.DE) Received: (from mail@localhost) by Thingol.KryptoKom.DE (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA09995 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:13:13 +0200 Received: from cirdan.kryptokom.de by via smtpp (Version 1.1.1b4) id kwa09991; Fri Oct 16 12:13:06 1998 Received: by Cirdan.KryptoKom.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30053 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:21:21 +0200 Original: Received: (from debruin@localhost) by borg.kryptokom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00614 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:22:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from debruin) From: Etienne de Bruin Message-Id: <199810161022.MAA00614@borg.kryptokom.de> Subject: timing a device driver To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (Hackers FreeBSD) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:22:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i would like to time my device driver from within the kernel. so, what functions exist for me to be able to time, in miliseconds, how long a chunk of code takes. eT -- Etienne de Bruin, KryptoKom(R), Germany. eT@kryptokom.de +49 241 963 2635(w) "i'm living proof that the spirit moves" - dc talk, the truth. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 06:04:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23646 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Thingol.KryptoKom.DE (Thingol.KryptoKom.DE [194.245.91.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23636 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Etienne.Debruin@KryptoKom.DE) Received: (from mail@localhost) by Thingol.KryptoKom.DE (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12171 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:54:07 +0200 Received: from cirdan.kryptokom.de by via smtpp (Version 1.1.1b4) id kwa12169; Fri Oct 16 14:54:01 1998 Received: by Cirdan.KryptoKom.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA31020 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:02:16 +0200 Original: Received: (from debruin@localhost) by borg.kryptokom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01126 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:03:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from debruin) From: Etienne de Bruin Message-Id: <199810161303.PAA01126@borg.kryptokom.de> Subject: microtime() To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (Hackers FreeBSD) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:03:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG how does one use microtime() in the kernel? can one use this functions for timing operations in the kernel on kernel level? eT -- Etienne de Bruin, KryptoKom(R), Germany. eT@kryptokom.de +49 241 963 2635(w) "judge not lest ye be judged" - jesus, to his bride. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 06:05:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23790 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:05:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA23784 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:05:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA11326; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:04:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: John Polstra cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make of simple kernel fails after upgrade/make world In-Reply-To: <199810160051.RAA07626@austin.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1900040180-1648984485-908543073=:11204" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1900040180-1648984485-908543073=:11204 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII here's what I did: 1) run cvsup. Lots of stuff got updated. 2) Make buildworld; make installworld 3) config CLUSTER (attached) 4) make depend in CLUSTER, get errors since vnode_if.c was not created, nor was scsiconf 5) config GENERICupdate 6) make depend and notice that vnode_if.c gets created via some scripts (I didn't notice scsiconf.h, but got distracted) 7) note that make depend in CLUSTER now works fine I think there is some scsi-dependent something that happened and that some file got created thereby. But I don't know. I should have tracked what was going on more closely, sorry about that. ron Ron Minnich |"Using Windows NT, which is known to have some rminnich@sarnoff.com | failure modes, on a warship is similar to hoping (609)-734-3120 | that luck will be in our favor"- A. 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the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 06:47:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28909 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:47:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA28895 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:47:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA00773; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:48:30 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199810161148.MAA00773@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: timing a device driver To: Etienne.Debruin@KryptoKom.DE (Etienne de Bruin) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:48:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810161022.MAA00614@borg.kryptokom.de> from "Etienne de Bruin" at Oct 16, 98 12:22:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > i would like to time my device driver from within the kernel. > so, what functions exist for me to be able to time, in miliseconds, > how long a chunk of code takes. a method that i find nice and cheap if you have a pentium is to use the CPU cycle counter, accessible as follows: u_long ticks_used, event_count; ... quad_t ticks; ticks = rdtsc(); ... interesting code ... ticks_used += (u_long)(rdtsc() - ticks) ; event_count++; i generally declare the two variables as SYSCTL variables SYSCTL_INT(_net_link_ether, OID_AUTO, bdgint, CTLFLAG_RW, &ticks_used,0,""); so you can read/set them using sysctl cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 08:29:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11148 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11121; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:29:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrcpu@internetcds.com) Received: from localhost (mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18910; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen X-Sender: mrcpu@schizo.cdsnet.net To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Annoying >2.2.5 oddity on reboot. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a bunch of DEC ZX and HX 6000 P6 boxes. Have been running 2.2.5 for heap 'um big long time, zero troubles. So I upgraded 2 of them to -stable as of yesterday. Now neither of them will reboot properly. They shutdown, and get to the stage where they should start reloading, and they just hang. I've tried a couple different BIOS revs, and nothing seems to help. (These boxes have PCI and EISA slots). Drop back to 2.2.5 kernel, and they reboot just fine. Anybody have any idea what may be wrong? Driving down tot he office just to finish off a shutdown -r is a big unusability factor. The chipsets on the boxes are orion and neptune as I recall. A veeeeery old 3.0 (august of last year I think) runs fine in SMP and reboots properly. Thanks for any tips. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 10:16:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26465 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26440 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:16:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13502; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:16:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199810161716.KAA13502@austin.polstra.com> To: "Ron G. Minnich" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make of simple kernel fails after upgrade/make world In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:04:33 EDT." Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:16:01 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > here's what I did: > 1) run cvsup. Lots of stuff got updated. > 2) Make buildworld; make installworld > 3) config CLUSTER (attached) > 4) make depend in CLUSTER, get errors since vnode_if.c was not created, > nor was scsiconf I tried to reproduce the problem using CLUSTER, but I still couldn't get it to fail. > 5) config GENERICupdate > 6) make depend and notice that vnode_if.c gets created via some scripts > (I didn't notice scsiconf.h, but got distracted) > 7) note that make depend in CLUSTER now works fine > > I think there is some scsi-dependent something that happened and that > some file got created thereby. That would be surprising. But stranger things have happened ... John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 10:34:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29982 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mushi.colo.neosoft.com (mushi.colo.neosoft.com [206.109.6.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29976 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:34:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@taronga.com) Received: (qmail 19168 invoked from network); 16 Oct 1998 17:34:13 -0000 Received: from bonkers.neosoft.com (HELO bonkers.taronga.com) (root@206.109.2.48) by mushi.colo.neosoft.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 17:34:13 -0000 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA11071; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:34:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:34:11 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199810161734.MAA11071@bonkers.taronga.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD Newsgroups: taronga.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981014213310.00a4c390@genesis.ispace.com> References: <4.1.0.67.19981012161419.00a69140@genesis.ispace.com>,<19981014.212617.4279.1.needinfo@juno.com> Organization: none Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >* 486-DX2/66 Processor A DX/33 is usable. http://www.taronga.com/hardware.html >* 12MB of RAM 16M if you run X, but 32M if you're going to run Netscape. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 10:42:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00926 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00920 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4036.ime.net [209.90.195.46]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id NAA20734; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:42:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981016133845.00aa4bd0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:39:46 -0400 To: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD In-Reply-To: <199810161734.MAA11071@bonkers.taronga.com> References: <4.1.0.67.19981014213310.00a4c390@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.0.67.19981012161419.00a69140@genesis.ispace.com> <19981014.212617.4279.1.needinfo@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Smallest machine I'll bother with now is maybe a 4dx4-100. Ran it on a 386DX-33 for a while, I don't think I'd go back to that :-) At 12:34 PM 10/16/98 -0500, Peter da Silva wrote: >>* 486-DX2/66 Processor > >A DX/33 is usable. http://www.taronga.com/hardware.html > >>* 12MB of RAM > >16M if you run X, but 32M if you're going to run Netscape. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 10:46:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01736 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:46:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA01722 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for freebsd.org!hackers sender dcn.att.com!sbabkin (dcn.att.com!sbabkin); Fri Oct 16 13:37 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA16389 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <4WBDBPXK>; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:45:31 -0400 Message-ID: To: peter@taronga.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: ABOUT BSD Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:45:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: peter@taronga.com [SMTP:peter@taronga.com] > > >* 12MB of RAM > > 16M if you run X, but 32M if you're going to run Netscape. > For Netscape 3.x 16M is OK, but it needs at least 50M of swap space. -Sergey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 10:46:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01783 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mushi.colo.neosoft.com (mushi.colo.neosoft.com [206.109.6.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA01773 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:46:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@taronga.com) Received: (qmail 19188 invoked from network); 16 Oct 1998 17:46:15 -0000 Received: from bonkers.neosoft.com (HELO bonkers.taronga.com) (root@206.109.2.48) by mushi.colo.neosoft.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 17:46:15 -0000 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA11279 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:46:13 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199810161746.MAA11279@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:46:12 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981016133845.00aa4bd0@genesis.ispace.com> from "Drew Baxter" at Oct 16, 98 01:39:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Smallest machine I'll bother with now is maybe a 4dx4-100. Ran it on a > 386DX-33 for a while, I don't think I'd go back to that :-) I'm using a 486 DX/50. I wouldn't recommend a 386 for more than a dedicated box (you know, the sort of thing you'd dedicate a Pentium 200 or less to under NT ). I'm using 386 DX/20s for routers. Interestingly, a 386DX/20 is a lot peppier under FreeBSD than Linux. I'm using 2.2.6 on them. I can't get 3.0-BETA to install. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 10:57:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03510 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03474 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:56:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4036.ime.net [209.90.195.46]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id NAA20747; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:56:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981016134851.00a9a300@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:54:15 -0400 To: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD In-Reply-To: <199810161746.MAA11279@bonkers.taronga.com> References: <4.1.0.67.19981016133845.00aa4bd0@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:46 PM 10/16/98 -0500, Peter da Silva wrote: >> Smallest machine I'll bother with now is maybe a 4dx4-100. Ran it on a >> 386DX-33 for a while, I don't think I'd go back to that :-) > >I'm using a 486 DX/50. I wouldn't recommend a 386 for more than a dedicated >box (you know, the sort of thing you'd dedicate a Pentium 200 or less to >under NT ). --- Yeah, my FreeBSD box is larger than the NT Workstation running the Netscape Servers... The FreeBSD box is a comfortable PII-333 128/4.3gig. The NT machine is behind as a P200 (non-MMX) 64/2.5gig.. The FreeBSD box can build a kernel in about 2 or 3 minutes, no arguements here. :-) > >I'm using 386 DX/20s for routers. > --- At Heatseeker.net we use a P120 for routing. Gated is a resource hog, but I think it's due to my lack of knowledge with it, so it's causing loops or something like that. >Interestingly, a 386DX/20 is a lot peppier under FreeBSD than Linux. Yeah I'm Anti-Linux, for 2 reasons: 1> I hate the command set, I ran RHS 4 for like 2 months, and it didn't cut it. 2> The User-base consists of a lot of 14 year olds saying "Look at me, Look at me, I run Linux and can nuke people, and I don't run Win95, PHEEEER ME..".. Aparantely the developers don't seem to have a problem with that philosophy. Whatever adds to the user count I guess. > >I'm using 2.2.6 on them. I can't get 3.0-BETA to install. > I'm running a CVSup of 3.0-BETA (aout). Haven't updated for the last week or two due to a lot of load on the CVS servers.. Also, make world takes a fair deal of time, and I almost crashed it last time doing it remotely. I am introducing a Solaris X86 box tonight, but I already don't like the insane load averages (It's a P200MMX 32/2.2, I shouldn't be seeing .28 for idle :-)). But I paid 10 bucks for it from SUN, might as well play with it some. (Oh and their reboot is broken too, but I heard I'm not the first to say that.). --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 11:12:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07209 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07128 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20416; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:11:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25130; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:30:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199810161330.OAA25130@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Drew Baxter cc: Brian@Awfulhak.org, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pppd & logging into NT servers In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:17:00 EDT." <4.1.0.67.19981014141431.00a92340@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:29:59 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can you make sure you indent quoted text correctly ? It looks as if I posted the quoted message as my unquoted sig appeared at the end. Thanks. > Not a big problem. Most of the IPX stuff is with the Windows machines > anyway, and I already told them what they can do with those. :-) > > Was just making sure I didn't have a switch problem and it really was > supposed to... Noticed Win98 doesn't detect PAP from Userland PPP either, > but it auths me and lets me in, good enough.. > > > Hmm.. Dunno.. I'm going to integrate a question into that. > > > > Is there any way to make userland ppp route IPX? I noticed it doesn't on > > its own, using MGetty to pass off my PAP no problem. Trying to get it to > > route the proto used most within our system.. > [.....] > > Nope. Currently, the tun device doesn't support IPX either. I'd > fix this at some point if I ever get a reasonable amount of time > together - but that's not gonna happen in the near future :-/ > > > --- > > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > > http://www.droo.orland.me.us > > -- > Brian , , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > > > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > http://www.droo.orland.me.us -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 11:21:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10164 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10159 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:21:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4036.ime.net [209.90.195.46]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id OAA20772; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:18:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981016141347.0099fee0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:16:19 -0400 To: Brian Somers From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: pppd & logging into NT servers Cc: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810161330.OAA25130@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It looks like your sig is quoted here. Sometimes my quote is typed in, other times it is placed at the end. Depends on the day, my mood, etc. Generally I try to clip off signatures in hopes to shorten the message length some.. I can do that if you'd like. At 02:29 PM 10/16/98 +0100, you wrote: >Can you make sure you indent quoted text correctly ? It looks as if >I posted the quoted message as my unquoted sig appeared at the end. > >Thanks. > >> Not a big problem. Most of the IPX stuff is with the Windows machines >> anyway, and I already told them what they can do with those. :-) >> >> Was just making sure I didn't have a switch problem and it really was >> supposed to... Noticed Win98 doesn't detect PAP from Userland PPP either, >> but it auths me and lets me in, good enough.. >> >> > Hmm.. Dunno.. I'm going to integrate a question into that. >> > >> > Is there any way to make userland ppp route IPX? I noticed it doesn't on >> > its own, using MGetty to pass off my PAP no problem. Trying to get it to >> > route the proto used most within our system.. >> [.....] >> >> Nope. Currently, the tun device doesn't support IPX either. I'd >> fix this at some point if I ever get a reasonable amount of time >> together - but that's not gonna happen in the near future :-/ >> >> > --- >> > Drew "Droobie" Baxter >> > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) >> > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 >> > http://www.droo.orland.me.us >> >> -- >> Brian , , >> >> Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... >> >> >> >> --- >> Drew "Droobie" Baxter >> Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) >> OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 >> http://www.droo.orland.me.us > >-- >Brian , , > >Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 11:48:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15280 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15267 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:48:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shmit@coleridge.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA23469; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981016144738.H19804@kublai.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:47:39 -0400 From: Brian Cully To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ELF object file aggregation Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com References: <19981009173454.Q529@kublai.com> <199810092326.QAA01533@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810092326.QAA01533@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 04:26:27PM -0700 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 04:26:27PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > I'm working on a project that requires the functionality of dlopen() > > and friends, but I want to link it statically. I was thinking that > > I could do this by munging together various ELF files at run-time > > and scarfing symbols (the way kldload does things, if I'm not > > mistaken). > > Do you want it to be statically linked, or do you want it to not have > external shared library dependancies? There's a big difference. 8) I don't want external shared library dependencies. Basically, I'm working on a replacement for /etc/rc, so I can't rely on /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so or any of the libs in /usr/lib. It seems to me like run-time object file aggregation was the optimal solution. -bjc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 12:16:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19295 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:16:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19290 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01508; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810161920.MAA01508@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:46:12 CDT." <199810161746.MAA11279@bonkers.taronga.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:20:02 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Interestingly, a 386DX/20 is a lot peppier under FreeBSD than Linux. > > I'm using 2.2.6 on them. I can't get 3.0-BETA to install. Can you be more verbose about "can't get it to install"? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 12:38:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24318 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from c2.ciena.com (c2.ciena.com [204.240.57.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24247 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:38:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dshapter@ciena.com) Received: by c2.ciena.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4-8.0) id PAA26146; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810161938.PAA26146@c2.ciena.com> Received: from mercury(38.254.48.45) by c2.ciena.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026125; Fri, 16 Oct 98 15:37:53 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Doug Shapter Organization: CIENA Corporation Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD In-Reply-To: Message from peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) of "Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:46:12 CDT." <199810161746.MAA11279@bonkers.taronga.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:37:53 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is getting off charter, but I'm running 1.something on a 386xx/20 laptop with 2 megs RAM and a 40 meg ide. I think we did an install with a very early version of the parallel port IP interface. Thing swaps like mad, but you can edit files and do _slow_ compiles... Haven't booted it in a while, maybe I'll try it tonight for yucks. later. -- Doug Shapter CIENA Corporation dshapter@ciena.com Senior Engineer Linthicum, MD 410-694-8118 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 12:45:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25639 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guacari.udem.edu.co ([206.114.14.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25546 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:44:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lgomez@guacari.udem.edu.co) Received: from localhost (lgomez@localhost) by guacari.udem.edu.co (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02660 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:43:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:43:33 -0500 (EST) From: LUCAS ADRIAN GOMEZ BLANDON To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Using a SCSI RAID SMART-2DH Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA25586 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello everyone, I'm try to install FreeBSD on Compaq 1600, this have a SMART-2DH with RAID 5 active. FreeBSD don't see any hard disk, please, can you helpme??? A lot of thanks!!!. ___________________________________________________________________ Lucas Adrián Gómez Blandón lucas.gomez@usa.net Panel de Control Panel.de.Control@usa.net Asesorias Informáticas. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 13:23:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03801 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03771; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199810162022.NAA03771@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD In-Reply-To: <199810161938.PAA26146@c2.ciena.com> from Doug Shapter at "Oct 16, 98 03:37:53 pm" To: dshapter@ciena.com (Doug Shapter) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Shapter wrote: > This is getting off charter, but I'm running 1.something on a > 386xx/20 laptop with 2 megs RAM and a 40 meg ide. I think we did > an install with a very early version of the parallel port IP > interface. Thing swaps like mad, but you can edit files and do > _slow_ compiles... Haven't booted it in a while, maybe I'll try it > tonight for yucks. yes...it was a parallel port install of 1.1.5.1(?). went thru hell getting enough material deleted to fit it into only 40MB.....i remember that...... jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 13:23:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04207 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:23:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04158 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16056; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:23:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd016040; Fri Oct 16 13:23:19 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA25648; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:23:14 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810162023.NAA25648@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ELF object file aggregation To: shmit@kublai.com Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:23:13 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981016144738.H19804@kublai.com> from "Brian Cully" at Oct 16, 98 02:47:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I'm working on a project that requires the functionality of dlopen() > > > and friends, but I want to link it statically. I was thinking that > > > I could do this by munging together various ELF files at run-time > > > and scarfing symbols (the way kldload does things, if I'm not > > > mistaken). > > > > Do you want it to be statically linked, or do you want it to not have > > external shared library dependancies? There's a big difference. 8) > > I don't want external shared library dependencies. Basically, I'm > working on a replacement for /etc/rc, so I can't rely on > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so or any of the libs in /usr/lib. > > It seems to me like run-time object file aggregation was the optimal > solution. The way dlopen works is by way of calling routines in ld.so. The way ld.so works is by way of symbol offsets known to the code stubs in crt0.o. Probably the correct thing to do with ELF is to put ld.so in /sbin or /libexec, or even in a kernel module (i.e., .ko). The ELF binary format includes an intentional hole for ld.so between the end of the first page and the first address in memory (I believe this hole is technically both for ld.so AND for a shared libc). The execution class loader is supposed to default process memory mappings from a template memory map. In that template, the ld.so is mapped into the process address space by the execution class loader, and *NOT* through the actions of an ld.so. In other words, on an ELF system, it is *expected* that the ld.so (and, I believe, the libc.so) will always be present in the process address space, with a jump table at a known offest in the mapping. Basically, this means that dlopen and libc functions are *always* available, and that fixups aren't required to be implemented in the crt0.0 code. For SVR4 systems, the mapping is actually after the page after the first page, to allow the first page to be mapped zero filled so that it will be impossible to debug NULL^W^W^W^W^W^W you can run legacy code. The idea that the default system binaries should not be linked against shared libraries is an old superstition having to do with not wanting to locate shared libraries on the / partition, because that takes up space, but statically linked copies of libc don't, uh, er, because depending on ld.so not getting corrupted is very different than depending on /bin/sh not getting corrupted, uh, er, uh... uh... because we say so! Quit asking so many difficult questions! 8-). In any case, if you look at crt0.o, it's pretty obvious where the jump table entries are and what they refer to, so it's rather simple to write a statically linkable glue library whose ctor list includes mmap'ing ld.so form somewhere on / (/libexec?) and this will give you the dlopen/et. al. calls in a static binary for a few minutes of .s and .c file hacking. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 13:26:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04823 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:26:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04762 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16997; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:25:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd016971; Fri Oct 16 13:25:42 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA25734; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:25:37 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810162025.NAA25734@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD To: dshapter@ciena.com (Doug Shapter) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:25:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810161938.PAA26146@c2.ciena.com> from "Doug Shapter" at Oct 16, 98 03:37:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This is getting off charter, but I'm running 1.something on a > 386xx/20 laptop with 2 megs RAM and a 40 meg ide. I think we did > an install with a very early version of the parallel port IP > interface. Thing swaps like mad, but you can edit files and do > _slow_ compiles... Haven't booted it in a while, maybe I'll try it > tonight for yucks. I know a college that ran a lab full of 386SX/16's with 4M of ram and NFS /, /usr, and swap as netboot'ed X terminals that could be booted into windows and turned into X terminals with a double-click of a desktop icon. 1.1.5, of course, not the current bloat-ware... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 13:28:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05597 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:28:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05464 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:28:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29271; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:27:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd029251; Fri Oct 16 13:27:37 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA25841; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:27:36 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810162027.NAA25841@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Using a SCSI RAID SMART-2DH To: lgomez@guacari.udem.edu.co (LUCAS ADRIAN GOMEZ BLANDON) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:27:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "LUCAS ADRIAN GOMEZ BLANDON" at Oct 16, 98 02:43:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello everyone, I'm try to install FreeBSD on Compaq 1600, this have a > SMART-2DH with RAID 5 active. > > FreeBSD don't see any hard disk, please, can you helpme??? > > A lot of thanks!!!. Search the -current and -hackers archives on www.freebsd.org, and look for "compaq AND scsi AND raid". The author of the driver has made a boot disk available, which you can use to install. You may want to request (on -current) that the driver be integrated into the next release. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 13:40:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08506 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shale.csir.co.za (shale.csir.co.za [146.64.46.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08400 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reg@shale.csir.co.za) Received: (from reg@localhost) by shale.csir.co.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA02934; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:37:48 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from reg) Message-ID: <19981016223748.B23411@shale.csir.co.za> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:37:48 +0200 From: Jeremy Lea To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com, peter@taronga.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from sbabkin@dcn.att.com on Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 01:45:28PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 01:45:28PM -0400, sbabkin@dcn.att.com wrote: > > From: peter@taronga.com [SMTP:peter@taronga.com] > > > > >* 12MB of RAM > > > > 16M if you run X, but 32M if you're going to run Netscape. > > > For Netscape 3.x 16M is OK, but it needs at least > 50M of swap space. Come on... I managed to get Netscape 3.x running with only 8MB and 40MB of swap space on a 386DX/40. Took about 5 minutes to load, and if you loaded any big pages the kernel would shoot it down :) Ran the 386 for 2 years (340MB hard disk)... 40 hours or so for my hacked 'make world' (built dir by dir rather than target by target :) -Jeremy -- | ------------------------------------------------------ --+-- "Maybe tomorrow will be better than today, | or maybe it will not come at all..." - Pam Thum | ------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 16:44:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16463 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:44:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spawn.nectar.com (spawn.nectar.com [204.27.67.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16425 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:43:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@spawn.nectar.com) Received: from localhost.nectar.com ([127.0.0.1] helo=spawn.nectar.com) by spawn.nectar.com with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for hackers@freebsd.org id 0zUJWt-0005uq-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:43:31 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-pgp262.txt From: Jacques Vidrine Subject: ld and -soname To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:43:31 -0500 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- It would be very handy to have a flag for ld that tells it to set DT_SONAME to the input file name, as an alternative to explicitly using -soname. Comments before I come up with a patch? Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / jvidrine@verio.net / nectar@FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNifaIzeRhT8JRySpAQG5WAP7B+AaIarP1ZiLrR4M4/NrnisGrAeR9wTQ +wiI9UYUxehSlURG5/heHvQuFOe+ei1gxC7JEBdM4p5cfVgDCE5f4NhX47Ua++M7 apBi9xHwhVWFJPVRgR09ZSrpfSB5CsmXV73DyAOp7tpolucTfSlLh4ECsEjUE4IV LfDJ59qB/3A= =qMPy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 16:52:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18056 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17954 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:51:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Spinner) with ESMTP id HAA23345; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 07:23:45 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199810162323.HAA23345@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jacques Vidrine cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ld and -soname In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:43:31 EST." Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 07:23:44 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jacques Vidrine wrote: > It would be very handy to have a flag for ld that tells it to > set DT_SONAME to the input file name, as an alternative to > explicitly using -soname. Comments before I come up with a > patch? Just a thought.. the gcc driver can probably arrange this via the LINK specs in the config file. You can test this with a gcc -dumpspecs, edit the result and place it in /usr/libdata/gcc/specs. use gcc -v to make sure that it's being read, and that the args are being passed correctly to ld. > Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / jvidrine@verio.net / nectar@FreeBSD.org Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 17:28:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24644 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:28:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spawn.nectar.com (spawn.nectar.com [204.27.67.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24535 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:28:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@spawn.nectar.com) Received: from localhost.nectar.com ([127.0.0.1] helo=spawn.nectar.com) by spawn.nectar.com with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zUKCB-00060e-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:26:11 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-pgp262.txt From: Jacques Vidrine In-reply-to: <199810162323.HAA23345@spinner.netplex.com.au> References: <199810162323.HAA23345@spinner.netplex.com.au> Subject: Re: ld and -soname To: Peter Wemm cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:26:11 -0500 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Sheesh, I can't make heads or tails of that-- *link: %{p:%e`-p' not supported; use `-pg' and gprof(1)} %{maout: %{shared:-Bshareab le} %{!shared:%{!nostdlib:%{!r:%{!e*:-e start}}} -dc -dp %{static:-Bstatic} %{pg:-Bstatic} %{Z}} %{assert*} %{R*}} %{!maout: -m elf_i386 %{Wl,*:%*} %{assert*} %{R*} %{rpath*} %{defsym*} %{shared:-Bshareable % {h*} %{soname*}} %{symbolic:-Bsymbolic} %{!shared: %{!static: %{rdynamic: -export-dynamic} %{!dynamic-linker: -dynamic-linker /usr/libexec/ ld-elf.so.1}} %{static:-Bstatic}}} Does anyone have pointers to documentation of this stuff? Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org On 17 October 1998 at 7:23, Peter Wemm wrote: > Just a thought.. the gcc driver can probably arrange this via the LINK > specs in the config file. You can test this with a gcc -dumpspecs, edit > the result and place it in /usr/libdata/gcc/specs. use gcc -v to make > sure that it's being read, and that the args are being passed correctly to > ld. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNifkIzeRhT8JRySpAQFfywP/X1uitSxuQRx9T85YkMqlExU0YnI+P+yc CaeXrceYY2cOnAVD/Ynzx2hCS2m5isxSPaFU3nbA+xSwwyaVdI8sn4tNBGNUTW6e uOotLg2KPYyEowYxb3VsyvBXtHUliKuvlGWeu6ESCkrbVTsVpWVEZjLay9/fhIiW kmnoAGJ04b8= =X0N+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 17:39:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26485 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spawn.nectar.com (spawn.nectar.com [204.27.67.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26465 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@spawn.nectar.com) Received: from localhost.nectar.com ([127.0.0.1] helo=spawn.nectar.com) by spawn.nectar.com with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zUKOK-00062Y-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:38:44 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-pgp262.txt From: Jacques Vidrine In-reply-to: <199810162323.HAA23345@spinner.netplex.com.au> References: <199810162323.HAA23345@spinner.netplex.com.au> Subject: Re: ld and -soname To: Peter Wemm cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:38:44 -0500 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- MM, that won't solve the problem which I'm trying to solve. I want an ``easy fix'' for the Makefiles in the world that have something like libfoobar.so.${VERSION}: ${OBJS} ${LD} ${LDFLAGS} -o libfoobar.so.${VERSION} ${OBJS} I can't very well put -soname in LDFLAGS. A flag to tell ld to set DT_SONAME to the same value given to -o would be groovy. Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org On 17 October 1998 at 7:23, Peter Wemm wrote: > Just a thought.. the gcc driver can probably arrange this via the LINK > specs in the config file. You can test this with a gcc -dumpspecs, edit > the result and place it in /usr/libdata/gcc/specs. use gcc -v to make > sure that it's being read, and that the args are being passed correctly to > ld. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNifnEzeRhT8JRySpAQHiAwP/dD6WO8+iVpdKXvki3u2ExT7tGuitOuc0 kH//Wj2ssfyUFAsz0FnM7y6r0+Lcxqf3cFGqtm0LgMGldKm72HPgdR5gXKVmk4df VAn1GHyNgsMkR+sssNfdWIQH2ma4++MaqLnE1kHEO5yq/kljEcmSDs6XjTKYhnTU YLH85k9/9iY= =UvQw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 18:04:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29849 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:04:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gras-varg.worldgate.com (gras-varg.worldgate.com [198.161.84.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29836 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skafte@gras-varg.worldgate.com) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by gras-varg.worldgate.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA01910 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19981016190330.C1571@worldgate.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:03:30 -0600 From: Greg Skafte To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: couple of quick patches Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Organization: WorldGate Inc. X-PGP-Fingerprint: 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 X-URL: http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Attached are 2 patches that I've done a send-pr on patch 1 added a changer definition for the HP SureStore 24x6 dds3 drive patch 2 fixes a small problem in rc.conf. In rc.conf if you specify firewall="filename" the firewall does not load -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: patch for surestore 24x6 dds3 tape changer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="changer.patch" --- scsiconf.c 1998/10/16 20:34:15 1.1 +++ scsiconf.c 1998/10/16 20:35:53 @@ -357,6 +357,10 @@ T_CHANGER, T_CHANGER, T_REMOV, "SONY", "TSL-7000", "*", "ch", SC_MORE_LUS }, + { + T_SEQUENTIAL, T_CHANGER, T_REMOV, "HP", "C1557A", "*", + "ch", SC_MORE_LUS, + }, #endif /* NCH */ #if NCD > 0 #ifndef UKTEST /* make cdroms unrecognised to test the uk driver */ --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: fix rc.firewall to accept and execute filename Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rc.firewall.patch" --- /usr/src/etc/rc.firewall Wed Sep 16 22:24:21 1998 +++ /etc/rc.firewall Thu Jul 2 14:27:09 1998 @@ -1,10 +1,6 @@ ############ # Setup system for firewall service. -# $Id: rc.firewall,v 1.6.2.9 1998/06/27 21:23:19 steve Exp $ - -if [ -f /etc/rc.conf ]; then - . /etc/rc.conf -fi +# $Id: rc.firewall,v 1.6.2.5 1997/10/21 00:20:35 jkh Exp $ ############ # Define the firewall type in /etc/rc.conf. Valid values are: @@ -58,14 +54,6 @@ $fwcmd -f flush ############ -# These rules are required for using natd. All packets are passed to natd before -# they encounter your remaining rules. The firewall rules will then be run again -# on each packet after translation by natd, minus any divert rules (see natd(8)). -if [ "X${natd_enable}" = X"YES" -a "X${natd_interface}" != X"" ]; then - $fwcmd add divert natd all from any to any via ${natd_interface} -fi - -############ # If you just configured ipfw in the kernel as a tool to solve network # problems or you just want to disallow some particular kinds of traffic # they you will want to change the default policy to open. You can also @@ -75,8 +63,8 @@ ############ # Only in rare cases do you want to change these rules -$fwcmd add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0 -$fwcmd add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 +$fwcmd add 1000 pass all from any to any via lo0 +$fwcmd add 1010 deny all from 127.0.0.0/8 to 127.0.0.0/8 # Prototype setups. @@ -148,11 +136,8 @@ # Stop RFC1918 nets on the outside interface $fwcmd add deny all from 192.168.0.0:255.255.0.0 to any via ${oif} - $fwcmd add deny all from any to 192.168.0.0:255.255.0.0 via ${oif} $fwcmd add deny all from 172.16.0.0:255.240.0.0 to any via ${oif} - $fwcmd add deny all from any to 172.16.0.0:255.240.0.0 via ${oif} $fwcmd add deny all from 10.0.0.0:255.0.0.0 to any via ${oif} - $fwcmd add deny all from any to 10.0.0.0:255.0.0.0 via ${oif} # Allow TCP through if setup succeeded $fwcmd add pass tcp from any to any established @@ -183,5 +168,5 @@ # Everything else is denied as default. elif [ "${firewall_type}" != "UNKNOWN" -a -r "${firewall_type}" ]; then - $fwcmd ${firewall_type} + . ${firewall_type} fi --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 18:14:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02358 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:14:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (sf3-98.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.84.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02227 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04047; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:14:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zepeda X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Jacques Vidrine cc: Peter Wemm , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ld and -soname In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Jacques Vidrine wrote: > MM, that won't solve the problem which I'm trying to solve. > I want an ``easy fix'' for the Makefiles in the world that > have something like > > libfoobar.so.${VERSION}: ${OBJS} > ${LD} ${LDFLAGS} -o libfoobar.so.${VERSION} ${OBJS} > > I can't very well put -soname in LDFLAGS. Yes you can. When you use gcc -Wl,-soname -Wl,libfoo.so.1 you tell gcc to pass -soname libfoo.so.1 to ld. With FreeBSD's gcc, you can use gcc -soname, but this is rather unportable. - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 18:26:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05024 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gras-varg.worldgate.com (gras-varg.worldgate.com [198.161.84.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05015 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:26:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skafte@gras-varg.worldgate.com) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by gras-varg.worldgate.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA01972 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:26:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19981016192626.D1571@worldgate.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:26:26 -0600 From: Greg Skafte To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: couple of quick patches References: <19981016190330.C1571@worldgate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981016190330.C1571@worldgate.com>; from Greg Skafte on Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 07:03:30PM -0600 Organization: WorldGate Inc. X-PGP-Fingerprint: 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 X-URL: http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG dohh ... sorry patch 2 is for rc.firewall when you specify a filename in rc.conf sorry .... Quoting Greg Skafte (skafte@worldgate.com) On Subject: couple of quick patches Date: Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 07:03:30PM -0600 > Attached are 2 patches that I've done a send-pr on > > patch 1 > > added a changer definition for the HP SureStore 24x6 dds3 drive > > patch 2 > > fixes a small problem in rc.conf. > In rc.conf if you specify firewall="filename" the firewall does not load > > -- > Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 > #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 > -- -- > When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole > lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest > thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) Content-Description: patch for surestore 24x6 dds3 tape changer > --- scsiconf.c 1998/10/16 20:34:15 1.1 > +++ scsiconf.c 1998/10/16 20:35:53 > @@ -357,6 +357,10 @@ > T_CHANGER, T_CHANGER, T_REMOV, "SONY", "TSL-7000", "*", > "ch", SC_MORE_LUS > }, > + { > + T_SEQUENTIAL, T_CHANGER, T_REMOV, "HP", "C1557A", "*", > + "ch", SC_MORE_LUS, > + }, > #endif /* NCH */ > #if NCD > 0 > #ifndef UKTEST /* make cdroms unrecognised to test the uk driver */ Content-Description: fix rc.firewall to accept and execute filename > --- /usr/src/etc/rc.firewall Wed Sep 16 22:24:21 1998 > +++ /etc/rc.firewall Thu Jul 2 14:27:09 1998 > @@ -1,10 +1,6 @@ > ############ > # Setup system for firewall service. > -# $Id: rc.firewall,v 1.6.2.9 1998/06/27 21:23:19 steve Exp $ > - > -if [ -f /etc/rc.conf ]; then > - . /etc/rc.conf > -fi > +# $Id: rc.firewall,v 1.6.2.5 1997/10/21 00:20:35 jkh Exp $ > > ############ > # Define the firewall type in /etc/rc.conf. Valid values are: > @@ -58,14 +54,6 @@ > $fwcmd -f flush > > ############ > -# These rules are required for using natd. All packets are passed to natd before > -# they encounter your remaining rules. The firewall rules will then be run again > -# on each packet after translation by natd, minus any divert rules (see natd(8)). > -if [ "X${natd_enable}" = X"YES" -a "X${natd_interface}" != X"" ]; then > - $fwcmd add divert natd all from any to any via ${natd_interface} > -fi > - > -############ > # If you just configured ipfw in the kernel as a tool to solve network > # problems or you just want to disallow some particular kinds of traffic > # they you will want to change the default policy to open. You can also > @@ -75,8 +63,8 @@ > > ############ > # Only in rare cases do you want to change these rules > -$fwcmd add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0 > -$fwcmd add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 > +$fwcmd add 1000 pass all from any to any via lo0 > +$fwcmd add 1010 deny all from 127.0.0.0/8 to 127.0.0.0/8 > > > # Prototype setups. > @@ -148,11 +136,8 @@ > > # Stop RFC1918 nets on the outside interface > $fwcmd add deny all from 192.168.0.0:255.255.0.0 to any via ${oif} > - $fwcmd add deny all from any to 192.168.0.0:255.255.0.0 via ${oif} > $fwcmd add deny all from 172.16.0.0:255.240.0.0 to any via ${oif} > - $fwcmd add deny all from any to 172.16.0.0:255.240.0.0 via ${oif} > $fwcmd add deny all from 10.0.0.0:255.0.0.0 to any via ${oif} > - $fwcmd add deny all from any to 10.0.0.0:255.0.0.0 via ${oif} > > # Allow TCP through if setup succeeded > $fwcmd add pass tcp from any to any established > @@ -183,5 +168,5 @@ > # Everything else is denied as default. > > elif [ "${firewall_type}" != "UNKNOWN" -a -r "${firewall_type}" ]; then > - $fwcmd ${firewall_type} > + . ${firewall_type} > fi -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 18:29:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05455 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:29:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spawn.nectar.com (spawn.nectar.com [204.27.67.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05447 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@spawn.nectar.com) Received: from localhost.nectar.com ([127.0.0.1] helo=spawn.nectar.com) by spawn.nectar.com with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zUL9b-00014c-00; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:27:35 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: lists/freebsd X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-pgp262.txt From: Jacques Vidrine In-reply-to: References: Subject: Re: ld and -soname To: Alex Zepeda cc: Peter Wemm , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:27:35 -0500 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I didn't make my point well, I see. Let me try again. Assume you have an application you are porting to a FreeBSD ELF system, which contains something such as: - -- Makefile excerpt -- libfoo.so.${FOO_VERSION}: ${FOO_OBJS} ${LD} ${LDFLAGS} -o libfoo.so.${FOO_VERSION} ${FOO_OBJS} libbar.so.${BAR_VERSION}: ${BAR_OBJS} ${LD} ${LDFLAGS} -o libbar.so.${BAR_VERSION} ${BAR_OBJS} - -- Makefile excerpt -- Now, again, I cannot define LDFLAGS to have "-soname libfoo.so.${FOO_VERSION}" nor "-soname libbar.so.${BAR_VERSION}", now can I? I must change the Makefile rules instead, i.e. s/-o libbar.so.${BAR_VERSION}/-soname libbar.so.${BAR_VERSION} -o libbar.so.${BAR_VERSION}/ and s/-o libfoo.so.${FOO_VERSION}/-soname libfoo.so.${FOO_VERSION} -o libfoo.so.${FOO_VERSION}/ Now, back to my original point... I think that it would be handy to have a flag for ld (let's say ``--implied-soname'' for laughs) that would cause DT_SONAME to be set to the filename supplied with the ``-o'' option. Then I can port the above application by simply changing the definition of LDFLAGS to include ``--implied-soname''. Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org On 16 October 1998 at 18:14, Alex Zepeda wrote: > On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Jacques Vidrine wrote: > > MM, that won't solve the problem which I'm trying to solve. > > I want an ``easy fix'' for the Makefiles in the world that > > have something like > > > > libfoobar.so.${VERSION}: ${OBJS} > > ${LD} ${LDFLAGS} -o libfoobar.so.${VERSION} ${OBJS} > > > > I can't very well put -soname in LDFLAGS. > > Yes you can. When you use gcc -Wl,-soname -Wl,libfoo.so.1 you tell gcc to > pass -soname libfoo.so.1 to ld. With FreeBSD's gcc, you can use gcc > -soname, but this is rather unportable. > > - alex -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNifyhzeRhT8JRySpAQFuBwP/YBS37bqi6NhvPudiQTquEATZ2tZQG3Kk JkS26/+oRkYe3qgGI0LsbCJtcsDuv2fjPvzdI3XY5jJd1PW+7WilfdCjt52FeAo4 S8SBpu9V63v8jC/XDObK+fD5t8zGLoUS9XrU5WszyU11PoQpGTqOFsoooCF5SPdW wTNJbKVWKA4= =9WHk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 19:28:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13867 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13862 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:28:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04464 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:26:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ppp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to change the method of ppp again, this time I want to use pap authentication only. I think I have several things wrong, so I'm going to try to fix just one at a time, and work through all the crud serially. The first problem I have is connecting at the server end; immediately after the server puts it's login banner out, it disconnects towards me. I've taken a look at the hex, I'm sure of this, that my modem is giving me a CARRIER LOST message after I put out the starting lcp stuff, when the login process at the other end gets confused. I have the pp feature enabled in gettytab, like the ppp manpage says, and I have /usr/local/bin/ppplogin exactly as per form. Should the server end be getting confused, when putting out "login:", that it gets the ppp startup hdlc stuff instead? The getty manpage makes no reference at all to this, but the ppp man page does ... I've also taken a cursory look at the getty source itself, it has provisions to recognize ppp, although I'm not sure if I need to do anything more than just enable the pp feature in gettytab. Thanks ... ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 19:40:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15380 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15357 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:40:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16560; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199810170239.TAA16560@austin.polstra.com> To: ncb05@uow.edu.au Subject: Re: random data for operations in kernel In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:39:48 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Nicholas Charles Brawn wrote: > What do people suggest would be the best way to derive a random value > for use in a system call? Are there any examples in the present kernel > source tree that perform this, or a similar operation? Sys/libkern has "random.c" with a function random(). Elsewhere there's the code implementing /dev/random. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 19:40:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15498 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:40:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15488 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:40:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4045.ime.net [209.90.195.55]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id WAA21155; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:39:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981016223310.00aab360@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:34:02 -0400 To: Chuck Robey , FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: ppp In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm using MGetty here.. Automatically passes over to PPP with PAP no problem, and it handles modem answering and init and all that kinda stuff too. Consider using that at all? At 10:26 PM 10/16/98 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: >I'm trying to change the method of ppp again, this time I want to use >pap authentication only. I think I have several things wrong, so I'm >going to try to fix just one at a time, and work through all the crud >serially. > >The first problem I have is connecting at the server end; immediately >after the server puts it's login banner out, it disconnects towards me. >I've taken a look at the hex, I'm sure of this, that my modem is giving >me a CARRIER LOST message after I put out the starting lcp stuff, when >the login process at the other end gets confused. > >I have the pp feature enabled in gettytab, like the ppp manpage says, >and I have /usr/local/bin/ppplogin exactly as per form. Should the >server end be getting confused, when putting out "login:", that it gets >the ppp startup hdlc stuff instead? The getty manpage makes no >reference at all to this, but the ppp man page does ... I've also taken >a cursory look at the getty source itself, it has provisions to >recognize ppp, although I'm not sure if I need to do anything more than >just enable the pp feature in gettytab. > >Thanks ... > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data >chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. >213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) >(301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 19:43:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15856 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15844 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:43:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16599; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:42:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199810170242.TAA16599@austin.polstra.com> To: n@nectar.com Subject: Re: ld and -soname In-Reply-To: References: <199810162323.HAA23345@spinner.netplex.com.au> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:42:48 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Jacques Vidrine wrote: > Sheesh, I can't make heads or tails of that-- > > *link: > %{p:%e`-p' not supported; use `-pg' and gprof(1)} %{maout: %{shared:-Bshareab > le} %{!shared:%{!nostdlib:%{!r:%{!e*:-e start}}} -dc -dp %{static:-Bstatic} > %{pg:-Bstatic} %{Z}} %{assert*} %{R*}} %{!maout: -m elf_i386 > %{Wl,*:%*} %{assert*} %{R*} %{rpath*} %{defsym*} %{shared:-Bshareable % > {h*} %{soname*}} %{symbolic:-Bsymbolic} %{!shared: %{!static: > %{rdynamic: -export-dynamic} %{!dynamic-linker: -dynamic-linker /usr/libexec/ > ld-elf.so.1}} %{static:-Bstatic}}} > > Does anyone have pointers to documentation of this stuff? There's a huge comment in src/contrib/gcc/gcc.c that describes it all pretty well. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 19:49:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16792 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:49:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16786 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:49:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04512; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:47:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Drew Baxter cc: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981016223310.00aab360@genesis.ispace.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > I'm using MGetty here.. Automatically passes over to PPP with PAP no > problem, and it handles modem answering and init and all that kinda stuff too. > > Consider using that at all? Not unless the system getty won't do it, no. From indications in the ppp man page, it should do it, and I want to find out what I'm doing wrong, not just find thick enough wallpaper to hide the mistake. I need to find why getty is hanging up on me. Regular logins work perfectly fine, but a ppp login, with "set login" set to null, makes it hang up. > > At 10:26 PM 10/16/98 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > >I'm trying to change the method of ppp again, this time I want to use > >pap authentication only. I think I have several things wrong, so I'm > >going to try to fix just one at a time, and work through all the crud > >serially. > > > >The first problem I have is connecting at the server end; immediately > >after the server puts it's login banner out, it disconnects towards me. > >I've taken a look at the hex, I'm sure of this, that my modem is giving > >me a CARRIER LOST message after I put out the starting lcp stuff, when > >the login process at the other end gets confused. > > > >I have the pp feature enabled in gettytab, like the ppp manpage says, > >and I have /usr/local/bin/ppplogin exactly as per form. Should the > >server end be getting confused, when putting out "login:", that it gets > >the ppp startup hdlc stuff instead? The getty manpage makes no > >reference at all to this, but the ppp man page does ... I've also taken > >a cursory look at the getty source itself, it has provisions to > >recognize ppp, although I'm not sure if I need to do anything more than > >just enable the pp feature in gettytab. > > > >Thanks ... > > > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > >chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > >213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) > >(301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > http://www.droo.orland.me.us > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 19:53:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17236 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:53:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17228 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:53:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4045.ime.net [209.90.195.55]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id WAA21178; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:53:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981016224502.009b4ee0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:46:35 -0400 To: Chuck Robey From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: ppp Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.0.67.19981016223310.00aab360@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Getty doesn't do it for me.. I don't think it supports PPP-detection either, maybe the latest version does.. MGetty just passes it off to ppp... I found it to be a no-muss situation. .Also it supports things like init strings, in an easier to deal with config file group. At 10:47 PM 10/16/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > >> I'm using MGetty here.. Automatically passes over to PPP with PAP no >> problem, and it handles modem answering and init and all that kinda stuff >too. >> >> Consider using that at all? > >Not unless the system getty won't do it, no. From indications in the >ppp man page, it should do it, and I want to find out what I'm doing >wrong, not just find thick enough wallpaper to hide the mistake. > >I need to find why getty is hanging up on me. Regular logins work >perfectly fine, but a ppp login, with "set login" set to null, makes it >hang up. > > >> >> At 10:26 PM 10/16/98 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: >> >I'm trying to change the method of ppp again, this time I want to use >> >pap authentication only. I think I have several things wrong, so I'm >> >going to try to fix just one at a time, and work through all the crud >> >serially. >> > >> >The first problem I have is connecting at the server end; immediately >> >after the server puts it's login banner out, it disconnects towards me. >> >I've taken a look at the hex, I'm sure of this, that my modem is giving >> >me a CARRIER LOST message after I put out the starting lcp stuff, when >> >the login process at the other end gets confused. >> > >> >I have the pp feature enabled in gettytab, like the ppp manpage says, >> >and I have /usr/local/bin/ppplogin exactly as per form. Should the >> >server end be getting confused, when putting out "login:", that it gets >> >the ppp startup hdlc stuff instead? The getty manpage makes no >> >reference at all to this, but the ppp man page does ... I've also taken >> >a cursory look at the getty source itself, it has provisions to >> >recognize ppp, although I'm not sure if I need to do anything more than >> >just enable the pp feature in gettytab. >> > >> >Thanks ... >> > >> >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- >> >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data >> >chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. >> >213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | >> >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) >> >(301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). >> >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message >> >> --- >> Drew "Droobie" Baxter >> Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) >> OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 >> http://www.droo.orland.me.us >> >> >> > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data >chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. >213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) >(301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 20:24:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21362 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:24:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21354 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:24:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04630; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:22:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Drew Baxter cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981016224502.009b4ee0@genesis.ispace.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > Getty doesn't do it for me.. I don't think it supports PPP-detection > either, maybe the latest version does.. > > MGetty just passes it off to ppp... I found it to be a no-muss situation. > .Also it supports things like init strings, in an easier to deal with > config file group. I got it, it's working now, I had some files misnamed. Standard system getty works just fine now. Having a little trouble getting the server to assign me the right address is all, but I think I will get that next. Right now, I have a single line in ppp.secret on the server: chuckr * 206.246.122.117/32 no password here, it's getting that (because of the "enable passwdauth" line) from /etc/passwd, but if I put a phony entry into ppp.secret with garbage for a IP, that IP gets chosen, not the one for chuckr. It's nearly there, after I get that done, I gotta get it working for dynamic IP, then I do a perl script for setting up the ppp.secret automatically, then I am done. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 20:26:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21612 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21604 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:26:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4045.ime.net [209.90.195.55]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id XAA21229; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:26:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981016231826.00ab0dd0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:19:17 -0400 To: Chuck Robey From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: ppp Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.0.67.19981016224502.009b4ee0@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmm I'm using my regular passwd file for my auth to the best of my knowledge. and then I have it do routing for my ip and all that.. was a pretty easy procedure after I got the phone thing ironed out. At 11:22 PM 10/16/98 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: >On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > >> Getty doesn't do it for me.. I don't think it supports PPP-detection >> either, maybe the latest version does.. >> >> MGetty just passes it off to ppp... I found it to be a no-muss situation. >> .Also it supports things like init strings, in an easier to deal with >> config file group. > >I got it, it's working now, I had some files misnamed. Standard system >getty works just fine now. Having a little trouble getting the server >to assign me the right address is all, but I think I will get that next. >Right now, I have a single line in ppp.secret on the server: > >chuckr * 206.246.122.117/32 > >no password here, it's getting that (because of the "enable passwdauth" >line) from /etc/passwd, but if I put a phony entry into ppp.secret with >garbage for a IP, that IP gets chosen, not the one for chuckr. It's >nearly there, after I get that done, I gotta get it working for dynamic >IP, then I do a perl script for setting up the ppp.secret automatically, >then I am done. > > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data >chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. >213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) >(301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Oct 16 21:05:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24369 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:05:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA24359 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:05:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabtter@aye.net) Received: (qmail 25754 invoked by uid 2784); 17 Oct 1998 04:04:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Oct 1998 04:04:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Barrett Richardson To: Drew Baxter cc: Peter da Silva , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981016134851.00a9a300@genesis.ispace.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On gated and routing - I've successfully implemented an internet router with 3 BGP peers over 3 T1's (the routing tables are a little over 50,000 routes now) and it works like a champ. If all three peers send big updates at the same time gated 's memory usage approaches around 32 meg. Gated itself shouldn't hamper performance (unless of course there is some config problems as mentioned) as it just manages the routing tables and plays no part in the actual forwarding of packets. It is only fair to mention that our 3 T1's saturated is less than half the bandwidth of saturated switched 10 mbit. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 00:17:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06913 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA06908 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zUQc3-0004c7-00; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:17:19 -0600 Received: (from imp@localhost) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) id BAA00645 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:17:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:17:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Warner Losh Message-Id: <199810170717.BAA00645@harmony.village.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: softupdates and sync Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Question, If I remove a huge directory with on a volume that has soft updates enabled, then my df avail stat doesn't change (although the rm happens very very fast). So, I type sync, and there isn't much disk activity and the df stat is still the same. So I wait a while, no disk activity. After 5 minutes I unmount and remount the volume. The unmout causes a huge amount of traffic to the disk. On remount the missing space reappears. This seems odd to me, but is it normal? Is it normal to have lots of unwritten blocks after a sync command has been issued? Seems, on its surface, to be a bug to me. I can understand the df stats not updating until the space is actually gone, but to have sync not write out all the softupdate deferred writes seems wrong somehow. Softly Yours, Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 00:24:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07601 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:24:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles305.castles.com [208.214.167.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07596 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01257; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:29:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810170729.AAA01257@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Warner Losh cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: softupdates and sync In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:17:12 MDT." <199810170717.BAA00645@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:29:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Question, > If I remove a huge directory with on a volume that has soft > updates enabled, then my df avail stat doesn't change (although the > rm happens very very fast). So, I type sync, and there isn't much > disk activity and the df stat is still the same. So I wait a while, > no disk activity. After 5 minutes I unmount and remount the volume. > The unmout causes a huge amount of traffic to the disk. On remount > the missing space reappears. > > This seems odd to me, but is it normal? Is it normal to have > lots of unwritten blocks after a sync command has been issued? Seems, > on its surface, to be a bug to me. I can understand the df stats not updating > until the space is actually gone, but to have sync not write out all > the softupdate deferred writes seems wrong somehow. It's "normal", but it shouldn't take minutes; the buckets are meant to cycle around every 30 seconds or so. You haven't tweaked the update timer by any chance, have you? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 03:09:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22645 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 03:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.bhl (1Cust222.tnt1.lafayette.in.da.uu.net [208.254.19.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22640 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 03:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bhlewis@gte.net) Received: from ylana.home.bhl (bhlewis@localhost.home.bhl [127.0.0.1]) by home.bhl (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20562; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 05:08:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bhlewis@ylana.home.bhl) Message-Id: <199810171008.FAA20562@home.bhl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Smith cc: Warner Losh , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: softupdates and sync In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:29:06 MST." <199810170729.AAA01257@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 05:08:29 -0500 From: Benjamin Lewis Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > If I remove a huge directory with on a volume that has soft > > updates enabled, then my df avail stat doesn't change (although the > > rm happens very very fast). So, I type sync, and there isn't much > > disk activity and the df stat is still the same. So I wait a while, > > no disk activity. After 5 minutes I unmount and remount the volume. > > The unmout causes a huge amount of traffic to the disk. On remount > > the missing space reappears. > It's "normal", but it shouldn't take minutes; the buckets are meant to > cycle around every 30 seconds or so. You haven't tweaked the update > timer by any chance, have you? I think the same sort of thing was happening to me yesterday. I also managed to panic the machine by forcing a write to a read-only file (as root) and since I had just done a make aout-to-elf, fsck was very unhappy after the reboot. I've since disabled softupdates on my /usr partition (they were never enabled on /), and everything's fine (if a lot slower). -Ben -- Benjamin Lewis bhlewis@gte.net -or- bhlewis@purdue.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 05:56:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08389 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 05:56:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08384 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 05:56:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (root@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01613; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:55:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10442; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:55:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199810171255.NAA10442@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Chuck Robey cc: Drew Baxter , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:22:31 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:55:32 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I got it, it's working now, I had some files misnamed. Standard system > getty works just fine now. Having a little trouble getting the server > to assign me the right address is all, but I think I will get that next. > Right now, I have a single line in ppp.secret on the server: > > chuckr * 206.246.122.117/32 > > no password here, it's getting that (because of the "enable passwdauth" > line) from /etc/passwd, but if I put a phony entry into ppp.secret with > garbage for a IP, that IP gets chosen, not the one for chuckr. It's > nearly there, after I get that done, I gotta get it working for dynamic > IP, then I do a perl script for setting up the ppp.secret automatically, > then I am done. There was a but a little while ago that meant that the first IP entry in ppp.secret was always chosen. This was fixed just before the callback stuff went in (revision 1.31 of auth.c). > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) > (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 06:18:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10535 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10524 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (root@woof.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.7]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02088; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:10:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from woof.lan.awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woof.lan.awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10754; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:10:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@woof.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199810171310.OAA10754@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brian Somers cc: Chuck Robey , Drew Baxter , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:55:32 BST." <199810171255.NAA10442@woof.lan.awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:10:55 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I got it, it's working now, I had some files misnamed. Standard system > > getty works just fine now. Having a little trouble getting the server > > to assign me the right address is all, but I think I will get that next. > > Right now, I have a single line in ppp.secret on the server: > > > > chuckr * 206.246.122.117/32 > > > > no password here, it's getting that (because of the "enable passwdauth" > > line) from /etc/passwd, but if I put a phony entry into ppp.secret with > > garbage for a IP, that IP gets chosen, not the one for chuckr. It's > > nearly there, after I get that done, I gotta get it working for dynamic > > IP, then I do a perl script for setting up the ppp.secret automatically, > > then I am done. > > There was a but a little while ago that meant that the first IP entry ^^^bug > in ppp.secret was always chosen. This was fixed just before the > callback stuff went in (revision 1.31 of auth.c). > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > > chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) > > (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > -- > Brian , , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 08:28:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22456 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:28:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22399 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id JAA11928; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:20:37 -0600 (MDT) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199810171520.JAA11928@narnia.plutotech.com> To: Mike Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: softupdates and sync Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <199810170729.AAA01257@dingo.cdrom.com> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-BETA (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199810170729.AAA01257@dingo.cdrom.com> you wrote: > It's "normal", but it shouldn't take minutes; the buckets are meant to > cycle around every 30 seconds or so. You haven't tweaked the update > timer by any chance, have you? A 'sync' doesn't force all pending writes to be flushed? I can't believe that this is true. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 09:11:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27580 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27563; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:11:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA20232; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:16:06 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199810171616.MAA20232@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: 2nd call for testers for PNIC driver To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:16:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a second call for testers for the Lite-On PNIC driver (if_pn). My first call resulted in a couple of respondes, most of which were in the form of "I'll have one of these boards to try soon and I'll get back to you" and only one of which was of the form "I tried it and here's what happened." (And special thanks to Mark Tinguely for being that one.) Here's what's changed since the first announcement: - Fixed the programming of the multicast filter in the 2.2.x version of if_pn.c. When I converted the 3.0 driver to 2.2.x, I left out a few things from pn_ioctl(). - Rearranged the interrupt handling and transmission a bit to avoid some possible infinite loop conditions where the interrupt handlers would do the wrong thing and retrigger interrupts over and over again. - Turned off store and forward mode and instead set the tx threshold to 72 bytes. This improves performance quite a bit at 100Mbps. I still don't have my regular test machines back (hopefully I will on Monday) but in the meantime I've kludged together another testbed. Transmit performance with the PNIC seems a little slow: with other NICs like the ThunderLAN and the 3Com 3c905/3c905B, I could get data rates of 11.3MB/sec to 11.4MB/sec using ttcp. Heck, even the RealTek would do 11MB/sec. The PNIC seems to be barely able to reach 10MB/sec if you push it really hard on a fast machine. The main test machine I'm using now is a Dell PowerEdge 2300/400 SMP system with dual PII 400Mhz CPUs and 256MB RAM (with a CAM binary snapshot release from a couple months ago). Using Lose NT Server with service pack 1 and the LinkSys drivers that came with my test card, I can get about 8.5MB/sec over FTP. My driver with an SMP kernel achieves pretty much the same performance. One thing that's a little strange is that if I run a uniprocessor kernel on the same hardware, transmit performance increases a bit from 8.5MB/sec to 10MB/sec. As an aside, I spoke with Greg LaPolla from LinkSys on the phone earlier this week and learned that when LinkSys first approached Lite-On about using their PNIC chips on LinkSys adapters, LinkSys insisted that they would only deal with Lite-On if the PNIC were made available without NDA for the benefit of free OS programmers/users or else they would get up and walk right out the door. He implied that the PNIC engineers were opposed to this but Lite-On eventually gave in. Greg has also told me there will be an official link from the LinkSys web server to www.freebsd.org pointing to the FreeBSD driver once it's ready for prime time, so everybody get your acts in gear and help me test this sucker. There is already an unannounced FreeBSD page at http://www.linksys.com/support/solution/nos/freebsd.htm. So anyway, go to http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/PNIC and read the instructions about how to install the PNIC driver. The source is at: http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/PNIC/3.0 source for FreeBSD 3.0 http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/PNIC/2.2 source for FreeBSD 2.2.x So far, I've learned from Mark that he has one pathological P90 system with a Neptune chipset and a NetGear FA310TX D1 card which locks up periodically, however I have been unable to reproduce his problems on my machines and he says the card and driver seem to work okay on other systems that he's tried. I've also received one problem report that was resolved by putting the card in a different PCI slot: please make sure that you put the LinkSys adapter in a bus master PCI slot when you install it. Note that this driver still does not support the PNIC's internal transceiver since I don't have a card that uses the internal transceiver for testing. The LinkSys, NetGear, Matrox and I think D-Link adapters that use the PNIC all use external PHYs through the MII bus, so for current cards this is not a problem. I did some more testing with the transmit list base address register (CSR4) and am convinced that the chip is broken in that after setting CSR4 the first time after a software reset, trying to change it later doesn't work. The driver still uses the 'kludge descriptor' workaround for this problem. I spoke with Lite-On engineers about this at the same time I spoke with Greg, however I haven't gotten a conclusive answer back yet as to whether this is really a chip errata or stupidity on my part. Never having programmed a real tulip chip before, it may very well be that this is intended behavior. (Though if it is intended behavior, it's really stupid intended behavior.) On a separate note, I am still looking for a vendor for cards that use the Winbond WB89C840F chip so that I can complete my Winbond driver. If anybody knows where I can order a board with one of these chips, please e-mail me. Note: that's _840_ not _940_. The 940 is a 10Mbps-only NE2000 clone. The 840 is a dumbed-down 10/100Mbps tulip clone. On another separate note, I'm planning to import the RealTek driver into FreeBSD-current soon now that 3.0 is going out the door. So far I've only gotten a couple of reports about this driver but they've been positive. I've learned of quite a few cheap cards that use the RealTek 8139 chip. Go to http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/RealTek if you have one of these and want to be a tester. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 10:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03066 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:10:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03061; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from cs.strath.ac.uk (posh.dmem.strath.ac.uk [130.159.202.3]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02323 Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:10:28 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3628CF7E.7BDB136A@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:10:22 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde Uni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-980520-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, roger@cs.strath.ac.uk Subject: a.out format and MMX instructions on 3.0-release Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On 3.0-RELEASE, when GAS is called to assemble a.out code, is it using gas 2.9.1 or does it link back to the old a.out toolchain assembler. On my 3.0-current test machine 6 months ago, I upgraded gas with GAS 2.9.1. from GNU's binutils by building a local copy of GAS for the i386-unknown-bsd-aout target. I could happily build a.out binaries which included inline MMX assembler code in my C files. Unfer 3.0-RELEASE, if I rebuild my project with gcc -aout, it Rejects the MMX instructions, indicating it is not using gas 2.9.1 in aout mode but switching back to old toolchain code. Any comments on this. I run a mix of 2.2.5 and 3.0 systems so I wanted to keep a.out for now. Bye Roger Hardiman Strathclyde Uni Telepresence Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 10:15:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03500 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:15:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03465; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:15:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from cs.strath.ac.uk (posh.dmem.strath.ac.uk [130.159.202.3]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02362 Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:15:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3628D096.63BF824@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:15:02 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde Uni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-980520-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a.out and MMX instructions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I solved my own problem On 3.0-RELEASE as -v gives me GNU Assembler 2.9.1 as -aout -v gives me GNU Assembler 1.92.3 So aout mode does drop back to the old toolchain. That is a pitty. So in order to make a.out binaries with MMX inline code, I need to make a new copy of gas 2.9.1 in a.out format. (which is not a problem. I have done it before) BTW, I use the MMX instructions in my image processing work. I got a 40% speedup in my code. For once, you can believe Intels hype. Cheers Roger Hardiman Strathclyde Uni To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 10:29:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05067 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:29:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA05060 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 19377 invoked by uid 1001); 17 Oct 1998 17:29:25 +0000 (GMT) To: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2nd call for testers for PNIC driver In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:16:04 -0400 (EDT)" References: <199810171616.MAA20232@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:29:25 +0200 Message-ID: <19375.908645365@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I still don't have my regular test machines back (hopefully I will on > Monday) but in the meantime I've kludged together another testbed. > Transmit performance with the PNIC seems a little slow: with other > NICs like the ThunderLAN and the 3Com 3c905/3c905B, I could get > data rates of 11.3MB/sec to 11.4MB/sec using ttcp. Unrelated to testing of the PNIC driver, but: A *big* thanks to Bill Paul for the Thunderlan driver. We're using it with 2.2.7 on a big Compaq server here, and it's been rock solid so far, handling large volumes of traffic. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 12:07:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11981 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:07:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11965 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:07:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cmascott@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA20683; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA28666; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:06:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:06:45 -0400 From: cmascott@world.std.com (Carl Mascott) Message-Id: <199810171906.AA28666@world.std.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Does 3.0 mount(2) autoload filesystem KLDs? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG With the new KLD system in 3.0, does mount(2) still fail if the required filesystem module is not already loaded? I always thought that this was a design flaw in 2.x: programs should not need to know or care whether filesystem code is statically or dynamically loaded. If a program asks to mount a filesystem, mount(2) should just do whatever is necessary to mount it. As an example of how this causes problems in 2.x, consider the case where cd9660 is an LKM that is not loaded and one runs sysinstall from hard disk. Sysinstall fails if it tries to access the CD-ROM (see PR misc/6752). -- Carl Mascott cmascott@world.std.com uunet!world!cmascott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 12:24:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13568 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13541 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4024.ime.net [209.90.195.34]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id PAA25119; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:23:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981017152234.009772b0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:22:55 -0400 To: Barrett Richardson From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: ABOUT BSD Cc: Peter da Silva , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.0.67.19981016134851.00a9a300@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think that might be the problem. See, when I do a route monitor I see a lot of error issues. Sure it works.. But at the expense of a lot of errors. At 12:04 AM 10/17/98 -0400, Barrett Richardson wrote: > >On gated and routing - I've successfully implemented an internet router >with 3 BGP peers over 3 T1's (the routing tables are a little over 50,000 >routes now) and it works like a champ. If all three peers send big updates >at the same time gated 's memory usage approaches around 32 meg. Gated >itself shouldn't hamper performance (unless of course there is >some config problems as mentioned) as it just manages the routing tables >and plays no part in the actual forwarding of packets. > >It is only fair to mention that our 3 T1's saturated is less than half >the bandwidth of saturated switched 10 mbit. > --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 14:57:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01286 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:57:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01276 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zUeKm-0005YL-00; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:56:24 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA00691; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199810172156.PAA00691@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: softupdates and sync Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:29:06 PDT." <199810170729.AAA01257@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199810170729.AAA01257@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:56:17 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199810170729.AAA01257@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: : It's "normal", but it shouldn't take minutes; the buckets are meant to : cycle around every 30 seconds or so. I guess I'm not making myself clear. Why doesn't sync(1) flush these things to disk? That's what it is supposed to do, no? Flush the dirty buffers to disk? It shouldn't take an unmount to do that... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 17:12:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10748 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles113.castles.com [208.214.165.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10742 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08294; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810180016.RAA08294@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Warner Losh cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: softupdates and sync In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:56:17 MDT." <199810172156.PAA00691@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:16:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <199810170729.AAA01257@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: > : It's "normal", but it shouldn't take minutes; the buckets are meant to > : cycle around every 30 seconds or so. > > I guess I'm not making myself clear. Why doesn't sync(1) flush these > things to disk? That's what it is supposed to do, no? Flush the > dirty buffers to disk? It shouldn't take an unmount to do that... You'll have to take that up with Kirk. I don't know whether deps are considered dirty in that fashion; I would have thought they were, yes. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 18:40:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16225 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:40:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles113.castles.com [208.214.165.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16202; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:40:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08806; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:44:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810180144.SAA08806@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jaye Mathisen cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annoying >2.2.5 oddity on reboot. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:27:08 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:44:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I have a bunch of DEC ZX and HX 6000 P6 boxes. Have been running 2.2.5 > for heap 'um big long time, zero troubles. > > So I upgraded 2 of them to -stable as of yesterday. > > Now neither of them will reboot properly. They shutdown, and get to the > stage where they should start reloading, and they just hang. > > I've tried a couple different BIOS revs, and nothing seems to help. > > (These boxes have PCI and EISA slots). > > Drop back to 2.2.5 kernel, and they reboot just fine. > > Anybody have any idea what may be wrong? Driving down tot he office just > to finish off a shutdown -r is a big unusability factor. > > The chipsets on the boxes are orion and neptune as I recall. > > A veeeeery old 3.0 (august of last year I think) runs fine in SMP and > reboots properly. > > Thanks for any tips. If these are SCSI systems, and if the hang is about where the SCSI BIOS should be loading from the disk, it may be that CAM is putting the SCSI controllers into a state the BIOS doesn't know how to get them out of. If so, have you tried updating the SCSI controller BIOSsen as well? Have you tried a 2.2.7-CAM kernel? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 19:38:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23273 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:38:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA23229; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:38:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id UAA12379; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:37:09 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199810180237.UAA12379@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Annoying >2.2.5 oddity on reboot. In-Reply-To: <199810180144.SAA08806@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Oct 17, 98 06:44:53 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Cc: mrcpu@internetcds.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote... > > > > > > I have a bunch of DEC ZX and HX 6000 P6 boxes. Have been running 2.2.5 > > for heap 'um big long time, zero troubles. > > > > So I upgraded 2 of them to -stable as of yesterday. ^^^^^^^^^^ > > Now neither of them will reboot properly. They shutdown, and get to the > > stage where they should start reloading, and they just hang. > > > > I've tried a couple different BIOS revs, and nothing seems to help. > > > > (These boxes have PCI and EISA slots). > > > > Drop back to 2.2.5 kernel, and they reboot just fine. > > > > Anybody have any idea what may be wrong? Driving down tot he office just > > to finish off a shutdown -r is a big unusability factor. > > > > The chipsets on the boxes are orion and neptune as I recall. > > > > A veeeeery old 3.0 (august of last year I think) runs fine in SMP and > > reboots properly. > > > > Thanks for any tips. > > If these are SCSI systems, and if the hang is about where the SCSI BIOS > should be loading from the disk, it may be that CAM is putting the SCSI ^^^ CAM is not in -stable. > controllers into a state the BIOS doesn't know how to get them out of. > > If so, have you tried updating the SCSI controller BIOSsen as well? > Have you tried a 2.2.7-CAM kernel? That's a good thing to try. There's a full release here: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/development/cam/... Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 19:49:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25134 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles113.castles.com [208.214.165.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25114; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:49:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09177; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810180254.TAA09177@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annoying >2.2.5 oddity on reboot. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:37:09 MDT." <199810180237.UAA12379@panzer.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:54:01 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith wrote... > > > > > > > > > I have a bunch of DEC ZX and HX 6000 P6 boxes. Have been running 2.2.5 > > > for heap 'um big long time, zero troubles. > > > > > > So I upgraded 2 of them to -stable as of yesterday. > ^^^^^^^^^^ Whoops, missed that bit completely. > > controllers into a state the BIOS doesn't know how to get them out of. > > > > If so, have you tried updating the SCSI controller BIOSsen as well? > > Have you tried a 2.2.7-CAM kernel? > > That's a good thing to try. There's a full release here: > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/development/cam/... How actively are you maintaining CAM in your -stable tree? With some of the 3.0 noise out of the way, I might be able to finally procure some build resources for doing these on a semi-regular basis. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Oct 17 20:07:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27718 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:07:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27696; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id VAA12522; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:06:29 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199810180306.VAA12522@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Annoying >2.2.5 oddity on reboot. In-Reply-To: <199810180254.TAA09177@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Oct 17, 98 07:54:01 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:06:29 -0600 (MDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote... > > Mike Smith wrote... > > > controllers into a state the BIOS doesn't know how to get them out of. > > > > > > If so, have you tried updating the SCSI controller BIOSsen as well? > > > Have you tried a 2.2.7-CAM kernel? > > > > That's a good thing to try. There's a full release here: > > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/development/cam/... > > How actively are you maintaining CAM in your -stable tree? With some > of the 3.0 noise out of the way, I might be able to finally procure > some build resources for doing these on a semi-regular basis. It probably hasn't been synced since the last -stable CAM snapshot back in July. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message