From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 1 13:07:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02662 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:07:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au [203.17.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02638 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:07:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.23.1]) by gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IU6MMR3I74000UCO@gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:06:27 +1000 Received: from cbd.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #9240) with ESMTP id <01IU6MMO76F4BCAH5V@cim.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:06:23 +1000 Received: from gsms01.alcatel.com.au by cbd.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IU6MMKJ4LSAZTCUN@cbd.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:06:18 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsms01.alcatel.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) id IAA01944 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:06:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:06:16 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <199803012106.IAA01944@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:24:54 -0700, Nate Williams wrote: >I'm usually doing more than gamma correction/color balance, but I agree >that you *must* do that on every picture taken. I would have thought that the gamma correction would be fixed, and the colour balance reasonably so. In this case, the netpbm utilities (eg pnmgamma) would appear to be better than xv et al. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 2 14:59:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08322 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:59:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA08302 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:59:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id MAA24508; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:58:55 -1001 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:58:55 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199803022259.MAA24508@pegasus.com> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Aloha, has anyone used the Olympus D600L Digital Camera with FreeBSD? > > [...] > >> I'm told it has a serial interface (that's kinda slow) as well as >> a PCMCIA adapter for it's memory cards which sounds like the preferrable >> way to transfer images. > >The PCMCIA adapter looks like a WD hard-disk. It works slick under >Win95, but I don't think it's supported in FreeBSD. Any idea how difficult it might be to build support for the PCMCIA adapter for BSD? What's involved? Anyone have performance numbers between PCMCIA and the serial interface? Thanks Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 2 15:13:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10237 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:13:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09994 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:12:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13036; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:04:59 +0100 (CET) To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:58:55 -1001." <199803022259.MAA24508@pegasus.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:04:59 +0100 Message-ID: <13034.888879899@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199803022259.MAA24508@pegasus.com>, Richard Foulk writes: >>> Aloha, has anyone used the Olympus D600L Digital Camera with FreeBSD? >> >> [...] >> >>> I'm told it has a serial interface (that's kinda slow) as well as >>> a PCMCIA adapter for it's memory cards which sounds like the preferrable >>> way to transfer images. >> >>The PCMCIA adapter looks like a WD hard-disk. It works slick under >>Win95, but I don't think it's supported in FreeBSD. > >Any idea how difficult it might be to build support for the PCMCIA >adapter for BSD? What's involved? > >Anyone have performance numbers between PCMCIA and the serial interface? Grab the PAO stuff and try it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "Drink MONO-tonic, it goes down but it will NEVER come back up!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 2 15:19:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12360 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12181 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:18:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA26828; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA23969; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:18:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:18:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199803022318.QAA23969@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? In-Reply-To: <199803022259.MAA24508@pegasus.com> References: <199803022259.MAA24508@pegasus.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> Aloha, has anyone used the Olympus D600L Digital Camera with FreeBSD? > > [...] > > > >> I'm told it has a serial interface (that's kinda slow) as well as > >> a PCMCIA adapter for it's memory cards which sounds like the preferrable > >> way to transfer images. > > > >The PCMCIA adapter looks like a WD hard-disk. It works slick under > >Win95, but I don't think it's supported in FreeBSD. > > Any idea how difficult it might be to build support for the PCMCIA > adapter for BSD? What's involved? Hacking the WD driver to do PCMCIA. I believe this code is in PAO, but I don't have any laptop to test it out on. (Though I will in a few weeks, and I do have the hardware. But, I don't have the time to do the code.) > Anyone have performance numbers between PCMCIA and the serial interface? Serial == 115K. PCMCIA == hard-disk. How fast is your hard-disk to load a file vs. downloading a file over the network? Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 2 23:46:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21067 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:46:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from portal.net.au (galley.portal.net.au [202.12.71.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21061 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:46:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@portal.net.au) Received: (from matt@localhost) by portal.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01411 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:16:21 +1030 (CST) From: Matt Baker Message-Id: <199803030746.SAA01411@portal.net.au> Subject: VScom Pro 800 multiport card config To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:16:20 +1030 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hopefully this might help someone else out. Recently my supplier supplied a VScom 800 PRO 8 port serial card in place of the usual TC-800 card that I usually use. The VScom card is a short length ISA card and comes with a fan out cable to the RS232 ports. It uses PLCC 16550 UARTS (4 mounted on each side of the board). Configuration of the card is not done via the normal jumpers usually found on multi-i/o cards, but via a software setup disk with details stored into nvram. The card supports a couple of different modes, one being a BOCA clone, the other an AST compatable mode. After playing around with the card I have come up with the following config that works. AST mode --------- Use the cardconf utility on the setup disk under dos to configure the card. I used the following settings. Port 1 0180H IRQ 7 Standard speed Port 2 0188H IRQ 7 Standard speed Port 3 0190H IRQ 7 Standard speed Port 4 0198H IRQ 7 Standard speed Port 5 01A0H IRQ 7 Standard speed Port 6 01A8H IRQ 7 Standard speed Port 7 01B0H IRQ 7 Standard speed Port 8 01B8H IRQ 7 Standard speed IRQ vector 01BFH Then set the following into the kernel: OPTIONS "COM_MULTIPORT" device sio4 at isa? port 0x180 tty flags 0xb01 irq 7 vector siointr device sio5 at isa? port 0x188 tty flags 0xb01 device sio6 at isa? port 0x190 tty flags 0xb01 device sio7 at isa? port 0x198 tty flags 0xb01 device sio8 at isa? port 0x1a0 tty flags 0xb01 device sio9 at isa? port 0x1a8 tty flags 0xb01 device sio10 at isa? port 0x1b0 tty flags 0xb01 device sio11 at isa? port 0x1b8 tty flags 0xb01 BOCA mode --------- The BOCA mode also works. just set the IRQ vector to disabled, and set the flags to 0xb05 Drop me an email if you have problems. Matt. ---------------- matt baker matt@portal.net.au Portal.Net Adelaide, South Australia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 3 17:15:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11152 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:15:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from clifford.inch.com (omar@clifford.inch.com [207.240.140.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11111 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:14:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from omar@clifford.inch.com) Received: (from omar@localhost) by clifford.inch.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA10618; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:07:06 -0500 Message-ID: <19980303200705.12976@clifford.inch.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:07:05 -0500 From: Omar Thameen To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: getting oriented with RAID References: <19980217150134.49019@clifford.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: ; from Simon Shapiro on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 12:02:30AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 12:02:30AM -0800, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > On 17-Feb-98 Omar Thameen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > With DPT's single channel RAID controllers being priced at under $800 > > retail, we're looking into adding it to several of our systems. > > > > I've been reading in the archives and on Simon's website > > http://simon-shapiro.org), but there are some basic things I'm still > > not clear on that I'm hoping y'all could explain. > > > > 1) From the DPT website, their PM2044UR (single channel PCI) RAID > > controller supports RAID 0, 1, 5, 0+1, and 0+5. Does this necessarily > > mean that the FreeBSD driver written by Simon can also do all of > > the above? Something I read in the archives indicated that you > > need do use ccd for RAID0. > > Let me clarify this a bit; > > DPT always creates RAID-5 arrays by using the firmware on the HBA, and > these arrays are confined to one controller (i.e. no more than 7-45 drives, > depending on the controller and options). > > RAID-0 (striping) and RAID-1 (mirroring can be created as either firmware > controlled arrays (run dptmggr with /fw0 option), or as in-O/S driver code. > > Now, with the in-kernel RAID-{0,1} you can even create RAID-0 arrays that > are composed of other, redundant arrays. [...] I really want to make sure I understand the implementation of RAID on freebsd, because it looks like a great thing to have on production servers. Sorry if this continues to be very basic. First say I have a total of four 2G drives. I want to mirror them for redundancy, so I have 2x2G available space (I guess they would be called /dev/dpt0 and /dev/dpt1). Now say I want to optimize reads and writes, so I use ccd and make the 2x2G (mirrored) drives into one 4G drive, /dev/ccd0. If one of the mirrored drives goes bad, am I then able to power down the machine, replace the bad drive, then have the dpt manager perform its magic to recreate the data? Is ccd none the wiser? Second, I see that the "Entry Level" DPT RAID controllers run on a 68000 processor, while the "High Performance" ones use a 68040. In what types of applications does this become a factor? In the above system, I'm talking about a heavily hit pop3 or web server. Thanks once again, Omar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 3 17:44:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17338 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:44:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fxp0.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17211 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:44:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 21428 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Mar 1998 01:50:55 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-021598 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980303200705.12976@clifford.inch.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:50:55 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Omar Thameen Subject: Re: getting oriented with RAID Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Mar-98 Omar Thameen wrote: ... > I really want to make sure I understand the implementation of RAID > on freebsd, because it looks like a great thing to have on production > servers. Sorry if this continues to be very basic. Don't apologize. We all had to learn all that we know. > First say I have a total of four 2G drives. I want to mirror them for > redundancy, so I have 2x2G available space (I guess they would be > called /dev/dpt0 and /dev/dpt1). Now say I want to optimize > reads and writes, so I use ccd and make the 2x2G (mirrored) drives into > one 4G drive, /dev/ccd0. If one of the mirrored drives goes bad, > am I then able to power down the machine, replace the bad drive, > then have the dpt manager perform its magic to recreate the data? > Is ccd none the wiser? Minor revisions: a. You could have gone with RAID-5 and end up with 6GB usable space, the same READ performance, lesser WITE perfromance and better CPU utilization, but we will go with your example as it is more interesting. b. The devices will not be called /dev/dptX, bust /dev/sdX. the DPT hardware/firmware builds an array and maintains it. But it presents it to the O/S as a ``disk''. For example, you have two Seagate ST5566778 drives, arranged in a RAID-1. the DPT knows about the seagates, but not the BIOS, nor Unix. To them , it looks as a model ``You Can Change It" disk made by vendor DPT. In the driver I have hooks that allow me to ask the DPT to tell the truth, but these are not exported anywhere (not even in the source I release). c. Yes, neither the CCD, nor the Unix kernel can tell that the array is running in degraded mode (a failed) drive. You will be able to tell because the DPT will beep on every I/O to the degraded array (``drive'')) and things will be a bit slower once you replace the deffctive drive. d. If you have a proper disk bay, you do not need to power down anything. Just replace the drive with the fault light on. In this case, the new drive will start rebuilding as soon as it is found (by the DPT) to be good. e. If you had a drive already in the system, designated a ``Hot Spare'', it will go into service immediately. The new drive (replacing the deffective) will become the new Hot Spare - Automatically. f. Unix is NOT aware of ANY of this. As far as the kernel is concerned, nothing bad happened, and nothing good happened. I will release tools that will allow you to see, from a user program, these events. But that is only so you can see and enjoy. You can also do useful things, like shutting off the alarm :-) > Second, I see that the "Entry Level" DPT RAID controllers run on > a 68000 processor, while the "High Performance" ones use a 68040. > In what types of applications does this become a factor? In the > above system, I'm talking about a heavily hit pop3 or web server. If you can afford it, get the PM3334UW. If not compromise with reality. DPT have, on their web page, some guidelines. It all translates to number of disk I/O ops/Sec. The PM3334UW can perfrom, with FreeBSD driving it to SMALL (4k) blocks, better than 1,700 disk I/O per second. An entry level board will do one third (?). Also, the latency will increase with reduction in board cost. Last, but not least, the PM3334UDW is capable of running three SCSI busses, all from one board, and one bracket in the back. These will be differential interfaces, which allow you to run up to 75 feet of cable fron your Ultra (20MHz) Wide devices. Normal (Single Ended) SCSI, at these operating parameters will start erring at about 10 feet of cable. Now, you are going to get a flood of ``Not, so, my controller does...''. So, these are my opinions, and opinions only. ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 3 17:49:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18684 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:49:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18199 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:47:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yA2zf-0002HF-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:29:11 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:28:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Omar Thameen cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: getting oriented with RAID In-Reply-To: <19980303200705.12976@clifford.inch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Omar Thameen wrote: > I really want to make sure I understand the implementation of RAID > on freebsd, because it looks like a great thing to have on production > servers. Sorry if this continues to be very basic. Sorry, there is no "implementation of RAID on freebsd". RAID is handled by the controller. FreeBSD just sees a big disk. > First say I have a total of four 2G drives. I want to mirror them for > redundancy, so I have 2x2G available space (I guess they would be > called /dev/dpt0 and /dev/dpt1). Now say I want to optimize > reads and writes, so I use ccd and make the 2x2G (mirrored) drives into > one 4G drive, /dev/ccd0. If one of the mirrored drives goes bad, > am I then able to power down the machine, replace the bad drive, > then have the dpt manager perform its magic to recreate the data? > Is ccd none the wiser? Yes. If you setup a hotstandy, you don't even need to shutdown. A native FreeBSD dpt manager (if available) would allow you to do everything without shutting down. Mirrors already optimize reading, as you can read from both drives in parallel. That may be enough for your application. Probably better off using RAID5, and get a 5th disk. You end up with 8 GB of usable space. > Second, I see that the "Entry Level" DPT RAID controllers run on > a 68000 processor, while the "High Performance" ones use a 68040. > In what types of applications does this become a factor? In the > above system, I'm talking about a heavily hit pop3 or web server. I've only used the PM334UW, but it is on a mail server. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 12:12:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13653 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:12:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13576 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:12:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09257 for hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:12:35 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803042012.RAA09257@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:12:35 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, What kind of problem could I expect from FreeBSD if I run a TX chipset motherboard with 128M RAM ? This chipset can only cache 64M. Anything other than performance ? Is it possible to force FreeBSD to use the low 64M preferentially ? TIA, Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 12:41:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22128 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:41:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22005 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:41:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22209; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:38:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803042038.MAA22209@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:12:35 -0300." <199803042012.RAA09257@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:38:26 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > > What kind of problem could I expect from FreeBSD if I run a TX > chipset motherboard with 128M RAM ? Your performance will suck. > This chipset can only cache > 64M. Anything other than performance ? Is it possible to force > FreeBSD to use the low 64M preferentially ? Take the top 64M out. Seriously, it's going to cost you less to replace the board with one wearing an HX chipset than the time that the TX board will waste you. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 12:59:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25294 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:59:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24900 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:58:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09986; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:57:53 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803042057.RAA09986@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram In-Reply-To: <199803042038.MAA22209@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Mar 4, 98 12:38:26 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:57:53 -0300 (EST) Cc: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Mike Smith) // > Hi, // > // > What kind of problem could I expect from FreeBSD if I run a TX // > chipset motherboard with 128M RAM ? // // Your performance will suck. // // > This chipset can only cache // > 64M. Anything other than performance ? Is it possible to force // > FreeBSD to use the low 64M preferentially ? // // Take the top 64M out. Isn't this worse ? // Seriously, it's going to cost you less to replace the board with one // wearing an HX chipset than the time that the TX board will waste you. The problem is that the original HX board for this server is failing. I'm trying to buy an PII FX board, but until that I needed something with memory. Swapping would be worst that having some more wait states in memory, would not ? My worries are more with memory coerence, or some strange effect, other than performance only. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 13:14:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28325 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28317 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:14:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22320; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:11:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803042111.NAA22320@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:57:53 -0300." <199803042057.RAA09986@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 13:11:36 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > #define quoting(Mike Smith) > // > Hi, > // > > // > What kind of problem could I expect from FreeBSD if I run a TX > // > chipset motherboard with 128M RAM ? > // > // Your performance will suck. > // > // > This chipset can only cache > // > 64M. Anything other than performance ? Is it possible to force > // > FreeBSD to use the low 64M preferentially ? > // > // Take the top 64M out. > > Isn't this worse ? Well, that depends. It forces you to think of the machine as having 64M, which is sensible, as opposed to having 128M. > // Seriously, it's going to cost you less to replace the board with one > // wearing an HX chipset than the time that the TX board will waste you. > > The problem is that the original HX board for this server is failing. > I'm trying to buy an PII FX board, but until that I needed something > with memory. Swapping would be worst that having some more wait > states in memory, would not ? > > My worries are more with memory coerence, or some strange effect, > other than performance only. Ah. You should have said that you wanted to use it as a stopgap. The TX board will work "correctly", it's just that, depending on what you're doing, your performance may not be acceptable. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 13:18:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29305 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:18:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29292 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:18:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.8.8/LBL-ITG) id NAA29975; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:17:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:17:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jin Guojun (ITG staff) Message-Id: <199803042117.NAA29975@george.lbl.gov> To: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > What kind of problem could I expect from FreeBSD if I run a TX > > chipset motherboard with 128M RAM ? > > Your performance will suck. Have you really tested or just some impression? I have AUSU Tx97-E + 64MB SIMM + 64MB SDRam DIMM. Everything works well. It is faster than just using 64 SIMM when working with 120 processes to use more than 90MB user memory + 10MB system memory. > > This chipset can only cache > > 64M. Anything other than performance ? Is it possible to force > > FreeBSD to use the low 64M preferentially ? > > Take the top 64M out. > > Seriously, it's going to cost you less to replace the board with one > wearing an HX chipset than the time that the TX board will waste you. HX chipset can cache more, but does not support AMD CPU :-) -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 13:21:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29836 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:21:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29821 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:21:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10510; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:20:52 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803042120.SAA10510@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram In-Reply-To: <199803042117.NAA29975@george.lbl.gov> from Jin Guojun at "Mar 4, 98 01:17:57 pm" To: jin@george.lbl.gov (Jin Guojun) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:20:52 -0300 (EST) Cc: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, mike@smith.net.au, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Jin Guojun) // HX chipset can cache more, but does not support AMD CPU :-) You mean K6 ? Yes it can ! If you buy from ASUS, make sure you have P55T2P4 Rev > 3.1. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 13:43:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03050 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:43:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03022 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:43:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.8.8/LBL-ITG) id NAA00734; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:43:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:43:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jin Guojun (ITG staff) Message-Id: <199803042143.NAA00734@george.lbl.gov> To: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonny (jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) wrote: : // HX chipset can cache more, but does not support AMD CPU :-) : : You mean K6 ? Yes it can ! If you buy from ASUS, make sure you : have P55T2P4 Rev > 3.1. Yes, K6. I had P55T2P4 Rev 3.10. So, it is included in range ( > 3.1), right ? -Jin , To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 14:35:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07864 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:35:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [205.162.1.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07836 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13512; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:35:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:35:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199803042235.OAA13512@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: jin@george.lbl.gov, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Wed Mar 4 13:46:09 1998 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:43:32 -0800 (PST) To: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, mike@smith.net.au Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jin Guojun (ITG staff) writes: > [AMD K6 not supported with HX PCIset]: > Yes, K6. I had P55T2P4 Rev 3.10. So, it is included in range ( > 3.1), > right ? I have several P55T2P4-based systems running with 200 MHz K6's. They work fine. Did you mean the 233 MHz K6 only? Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 14:44:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09985 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:44:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09927 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:43:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.8.8/LBL-ITG) id OAA01989; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:43:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:43:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jin Guojun (ITG staff) Message-Id: <199803042243.OAA01989@george.lbl.gov> To: jas@flyingfox.com, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Shankland (jas@flyingfox.com) wrote: : > [AMD K6 not supported with HX PCIset]: : > Yes, K6. I had P55T2P4 Rev 3.10. So, it is included in range ( > 3.1), : > right ? : : I have several P55T2P4-based systems running with 200 MHz K6's. : They work fine. Did you mean the 233 MHz K6 only? No. They are 166/200 MHz K6s. Maybe you get better (later) Revision of MB? or different CPU Rev.? My CPU Rev is 9744??. Or maybe my P55T2P4 Rev 3.10 means 3.one not 3.ten. Any ideas? -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 15:18:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17069 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:18:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16854 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id AAA19928 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:17:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id XAA02708; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:50:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980304235009.A2675@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:50:09 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Mail-Followup-To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199803042117.NAA29975@george.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.4i In-Reply-To: <199803042117.NAA29975@george.lbl.gov>; from ITG staff on Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 01:17:57PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4103 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to ITG staff: > HX chipset can cache more, but does not support AMD CPU :-) Don't say that to my ASUS T2P4, the K6 has been in it for almost a year now... It supports K5, K6, Cyrix & Intel CPUs. You just have to be sure to have at least rev.3.0 of the T2P4. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Mar 1 18:50:39 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 17:12:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11582 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:12:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11569 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12912; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:12:02 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803050112.WAA12912@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram In-Reply-To: <199803042243.OAA01989@george.lbl.gov> from Jin Guojun at "Mar 4, 98 02:43:48 pm" To: jin@george.lbl.gov (Jin Guojun) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:12:02 -0300 (EST) Cc: jas@flyingfox.com, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Jin Guojun) // Jim Shankland (jas@flyingfox.com) wrote: // : > [AMD K6 not supported with HX PCIset]: // : > Yes, K6. I had P55T2P4 Rev 3.10. So, it is included in range ( > 3.1), // : > right ? // : // : I have several P55T2P4-based systems running with 200 MHz K6's. // : They work fine. Did you mean the 233 MHz K6 only? // // No. They are 166/200 MHz K6s. Maybe you get better (later) Revision of MB? // or different CPU Rev.? My CPU Rev is 9744??. // Or maybe my P55T2P4 Rev 3.10 means 3.one not 3.ten. Any ideas? Well, go www.asus.com.tw, and take a look at their faq. I have looked there before buying mine, since at that time I wanted a K6. I've ended with a P200MMX, but that's another history. :) Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 17:41:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19249 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:41:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from why.whine.com (whine-gw.whine.com [205.150.249.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19065 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:41:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@whine.com) Received: from why (why [205.150.249.1]) by why.whine.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA24590; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:40:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:40:12 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Herdman X-Sender: andrew@why To: Jin Guojun cc: jas@flyingfox.com, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram In-Reply-To: <199803042243.OAA01989@george.lbl.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Jin Guojun wrote: >Jim Shankland (jas@flyingfox.com) wrote: >: > [AMD K6 not supported with HX PCIset]: >: > Yes, K6. I had P55T2P4 Rev 3.10. So, it is included in range ( > 3.1), >: > right ? >: >: I have several P55T2P4-based systems running with 200 MHz K6's. >: They work fine. Did you mean the 233 MHz K6 only? > >No. They are 166/200 MHz K6s. Maybe you get better (later) Revision of MB? >or different CPU Rev.? My CPU Rev is 9744??. >Or maybe my P55T2P4 Rev 3.10 means 3.one not 3.ten. Any ideas? > > -Jin > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > The ASUS T2P4 will support the K6 233 and most likely the 266 as well. Problem with most 3.1 versions is they can't produce the 3.2v required for the core of the 233 K6. I'm following this e-mail with a post from the asus newsgroup showing how to set the core voltage to whatever you want. Also note that ASUS now ships the T2P4 with 3.2v capabilities, just look for the "3.2v Ready" sticker. And to reflect the general sentiment, the TX chipset just plain sucks. Andrew --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many of you have been desperately awaiting this day: I'm going to retire from this group (because otherwise I would never get my study to finish). But don't halloo till you're out of the wood, I'll return one fine day. Thanks to all out there who shared their knowledge or their problems with me. I really had a great time and I'm happy I could listen and talk to so many helpfull souls, including... Tony B., Mike Barnard, Jean-Sebastien Chillet, T.C. Goh, Imre Hethely, KALLE, Dietmar Klaehn, Joachim Klein, Frank Ledwon, Rick Lindsay, Thomas Gustav Mosher, Ron Reaugh, Colin Saunders, Paul F. Schikora, Dave Tatosian, John Welter, ... and the dozens I forgot to mention. O.K. here is my last gift for all those who have a T2P4 rev. 3.0 or newer and worry about future CPUs. A complete table of the core voltages available with this beautifull board (without any soldering). In fact, I made three different tables (all presenting the same data or subsets) for most convenient access. '0' = jumper set, '1' = jumper not set Table 1: sorted by jumper settings 3.2 2.9 2.8 2.7 2.5 resulting Vcore ======================================================= 0 0 0 0 0 3.30V 0 0 0 0 1 2.50V 0 0 0 1 0 2.70V 0 0 0 1 1 2.24V 0 0 1 0 0 2.83V 0 0 1 0 1 2.30V 0 0 1 1 0 2.44V 0 0 1 1 1 2.12V 0 1 0 0 0 2.89V 0 1 0 0 1 2.33V 0 1 0 1 0 2.47V 0 1 0 1 1 2.13V 0 1 1 0 0 2.57V 0 1 1 0 1 2.18V 0 1 1 1 0 2.28V 0 1 1 1 1 2.03V ---------------------------------------------------- 1 0 0 0 0 3.20V 1 0 0 0 1 2.46V 1 0 0 1 0 2.64V 1 0 0 1 1 2.22V 1 0 1 0 0 2.77V 1 0 1 0 1 2.28V 1 0 1 1 0 2.41V 1 0 1 1 1 2.09V 1 1 0 0 0 2.81V 1 1 0 0 1 2.29V 1 1 0 1 0 2.43V 1 1 0 1 1 2.11V 1 1 1 0 0 2.52V 1 1 1 0 1 2.15V 1 1 1 1 0 2.26V 1 1 1 1 1 2.01V ---------------------------------------------------- Note: The lower part of the table is valid only for boards that have the '3.2V O.K.' sticker or the revised silk screening. ASUS has made different versions of 3.0 and 3.1 boards before (different values for R140) and those might deliver 2.5V, 2.6V or 3.1V or whoknows V when pins 9 and 10 are shorted. However, the values in the upper part should apply to ALL 3.0 and 3.1 boards. Table 2: sorted by Vcore (3.2/res always off), for all rev. 3.0 & 3.1 3.2 2.9 2.8 2.7 2.5 resulting Vcore ======================================================= 0 1 1 1 1 2.03V 0 0 1 1 1 2.12V 0 1 0 1 1 2.13V 0 1 1 0 1 2.18V 0 0 0 1 1 2.24V 0 1 1 1 0 2.28V 0 0 1 0 1 2.30V 0 1 0 0 1 2.33V 0 0 1 1 0 2.44V 0 1 0 1 0 2.47V 0 0 0 0 1 2.50V 0 1 1 0 0 2.57V 0 0 0 1 0 2.70V 0 0 1 0 0 2.83V 0 1 0 0 0 2.89V 0 0 0 0 0 3.30V Table 3: sorted by Vcore (all jumpers), for latest rev. 3.1 boards 3.2 2.9 2.8 2.7 2.5 resulting Vcore ======================================================= 1 1 1 1 1 2.01V 0 1 1 1 1 2.03V 1 0 1 1 1 2.09V 1 1 0 1 1 2.11V 0 1 0 1 1 2.13V 1 1 1 0 1 2.15V 0 1 1 0 1 2.18V 1 0 0 1 1 2.22V 0 0 0 1 1 2.24V 1 1 1 1 0 2.26V 0 1 1 1 0 2.28V 1 0 1 0 1 2.28V 0 0 1 0 1 2.30V 0 1 0 0 1 2.33V 1 0 1 1 0 2.41V 1 1 0 1 0 2.43V 0 0 1 1 0 2.44V 1 0 0 0 1 2.46V 0 1 0 1 0 2.47V 0 0 0 0 1 2.50V 1 1 1 0 0 2.52V 0 1 1 0 0 2.57V 1 0 0 1 0 2.64V 0 0 0 1 0 2.70V 1 0 1 0 0 2.77V 1 1 0 0 0 2.81V 0 1 0 0 0 2.83V 0 1 0 0 0 2.89V 1 0 0 0 0 3.20V 0 0 0 0 0 3.30V To achieve voltages between 2.9V and 3.2/3.3V you can place a resistor between the pins that you would normaly short to get 2.9V. The following drawing is stolen from a posting by KALLE, and represents a rev. 3.0 board: Voltage Sense \ 2,5V O O---85KOhm---Ground \ 2,7V O O--130KOhm---Ground \ 2,8V O O--180KOhm---Ground \ 2,9V O O--210KOhm---Ground \ res. O O---85KOhm---Ground (1MOhm for the latest 3.1 boards) Placing 800 kOhm over the pins for 2.9V will give 3.2V, for 3.1V you should try a value around 470 kOhm, for 3.0V something like 270 kOhm. Do I really have to add this? DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY: All measurements have been made on my personal T2P4, using a quality multimeter with my P200-MMX put in (didn't boot at 2.01V of course, what did you expect?). I did my best to transfer my results to paper an then to the keyboard, but you never know. If you destroy any piece of your hardware, it's your own fault. I did not measure the core voltage directly at the CPU socket (as proposed by Intel and AMD), but between the middle Pin of J17 and ground. The difference should however be neglectable. Still any questions? Feel free to contact me. Bye Fabian -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ cand. ing. Fabian X. Robok _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Institut fuer Kommunikationsakustik _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Phone: +49 234 700 5388 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 17:58:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23275 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:58:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23221 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:58:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11913; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:27:46 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA00427; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:27:49 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980305122749.17883@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:27:49 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith , Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram References: <199803042012.RAA09257@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> <199803042038.MAA22209@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199803042038.MAA22209@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 12:38:26PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 March 1998 at 12:38:26 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> Hi, >> >> What kind of problem could I expect from FreeBSD if I run a TX >> chipset motherboard with 128M RAM ? > > Your performance will suck. Your performance will drop instead of increasing. >> This chipset can only cache >> 64M. Anything other than performance ? Is it possible to force >> FreeBSD to use the low 64M preferentially ? > > Take the top 64M out. > > Seriously, it's going to cost you less to replace the board with one > wearing an HX chipset than the time that the TX board will waste you. The German magazine c't, which I personally greatly respect, did a test of a number of motherboards which can cache more than 64 MB in their issue 4/98. The chipsets tested were: Intel 430TX Ali Aladdin IV+ VIA Apollo VP2 SiS 5582 Intel 430HX VIA Apollo VPX The order is the order of speed in c't's BAPCo benchmark (which, unfortunately, is stronly Microsoft-oriented) with 64 MB main memory (430TX is the fastest, with a rating of 225, compared to 221 for teh Aladdin and the VP2). With increasing memory, the TX performance drops, while the performance of the other chip sets increases. At 72 MB, the TX drops below Aladdin and VP2, at 96 MB (!) below the HX, and by 128 MB, it's down to 204, compared to 227 for the Aladdin (which by this time has left the VP2 behind). All reports say that the cache limit is particularly hard on Microsoft due to its brain-damaged memory allocation; I can't verify this, but I'm prepared to believe it. That would mean that the drop under FreeBSD would be less. I'm currently running a TX board with 96 MB, and while I'm trying to replace it, I can't say that "my performance sucks". Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 18:20:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27237 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27232 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13784; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:19:41 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803050219.XAA13784@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram In-Reply-To: <19980305122749.17883@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Mar 5, 98 12:27:49 pm" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:19:41 -0300 (EST) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Greg Lehey) // The German magazine c't, which I personally greatly respect, did a // test of a number of motherboards which can cache more than 64 MB in // their issue 4/98. The chipsets tested were: // // Intel 430TX // Ali Aladdin IV+ // VIA Apollo VP2 // SiS 5582 // Intel 430HX // VIA Apollo VPX // // The order is the order of speed in c't's BAPCo benchmark (which, // unfortunately, is stronly Microsoft-oriented) with 64 MB main memory // (430TX is the fastest, with a rating of 225, compared to 221 for teh // Aladdin and the VP2). With increasing memory, the TX performance // drops, while the performance of the other chip sets increases. At 72 // MB, the TX drops below Aladdin and VP2, at 96 MB (!) below the HX, and // by 128 MB, it's down to 204, compared to 227 for the Aladdin (which by // this time has left the VP2 behind). Is that VIA Apollo VP2 that OEM version from AMD640 ? Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 18:47:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02485 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:47:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02407 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.8.8/LBL-ITG) id SAA07277; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:46:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:46:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jin Guojun (ITG staff) Message-Id: <199803050246.SAA07277@george.lbl.gov> To: grog@lemis.com, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg (grog@lemis.com) wrote: : :>> What kind of problem could I expect from FreeBSD if I run a TX :>> chipset motherboard with 128M RAM ? :> :> Your performance will suck. : :Your performance will drop instead of increasing. This is controversial with what you strongly agree at below. :>> This chipset can only cache :>> 64M. Anything other than performance ? Is it possible to force :>> FreeBSD to use the low 64M preferentially ? :> :> Take the top 64M out. :> :> Seriously, it's going to cost you less to replace the board with one :> wearing an HX chipset than the time that the TX board will waste you. : :The German magazine c't, which I personally greatly respect, did a :test of a number of motherboards which can cache more than 64 MB in :their issue 4/98. The chipsets tested were: : ??????????????????????? : Intel 430TX ??????? : Ali Aladdin IV+ : VIA Apollo VP2 : SiS 5582 : Intel 430HX : VIA Apollo VPX : :The order is the order of speed in c't's BAPCo benchmark (which, :unfortunately, is stronly Microsoft-oriented) with 64 MB main memory :(430TX is the fastest, with a rating of 225, compared to 221 for teh :Aladdin and the VP2). With increasing memory, the TX performance :drops, while the performance of the other chip sets increases. At 72 :MB, the TX drops below Aladdin and VP2, at 96 MB (!) below the HX, and :by 128 MB, it's down to 204, compared to 227 for the Aladdin (which by :this time has left the VP2 behind). : :All reports say that the cache limit is particularly hard on Microsoft :due to its brain-damaged memory allocation; I can't verify this, but :I'm prepared to believe it. That would mean that the drop under :FreeBSD would be less. I'm currently running a TX board with 96 MB, :and while I'm trying to replace it, I can't say that "my performance :sucks". : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 18:55:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04700 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:55:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04532 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:55:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11981; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:25:08 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA00671; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:25:07 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980305132507.23158@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:25:07 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: ITG staff , jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, mike@smith.net.au Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram References: <199803050246.SAA07277@george.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199803050246.SAA07277@george.lbl.gov>; from ITG staff on Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 06:46:47PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 March 1998 at 18:46:47 -0800, ITG staff wrote: > Greg (grog@lemis.com) wrote: >> >>>> What kind of problem could I expect from FreeBSD if I run a TX >>>> chipset motherboard with 128M RAM ? >>> >>> Your performance will suck. >> >> Your performance will drop instead of increasing. > > This is controversial with what you strongly agree at below. Sorry, I don't understand that. Do you mean contradictory? I still don't see any contradiction. >>>> This chipset can only cache >>>> 64M. Anything other than performance ? Is it possible to force >>>> FreeBSD to use the low 64M preferentially ? >>> >>> Take the top 64M out. >>> >>> Seriously, it's going to cost you less to replace the board with one >>> wearing an HX chipset than the time that the TX board will waste you. >> >> The German magazine c't, which I personally greatly respect, did a >> test of a number of motherboards which can cache more than 64 MB in >> their issue 4/98. The chipsets tested were: >> > ??????????????????????? >> Intel 430TX ??????? Does "???????" mean "why test the TX if it's a test of motherboards which can cache more than 64 MB?"? If so, it's for comparison's sake. The test itself didn't include any TX motherboards. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 18:57:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05417 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:57:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05277 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:56:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11985; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:26:40 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA00685; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:26:40 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980305132640.39764@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:26:40 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: mike@smith.net.au, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram References: <19980305122749.17883@freebie.lemis.com> <199803050219.XAA13784@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199803050219.XAA13784@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br>; from Joao Carlos Mendes Luis on Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 11:19:41PM -0300 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 March 1998 at 23:19:41 -0300, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > #define quoting(Greg Lehey) > // The German magazine c't, which I personally greatly respect, did a > // test of a number of motherboards which can cache more than 64 MB in > // their issue 4/98. The chipsets tested were: > // > // Intel 430TX > // Ali Aladdin IV+ > // VIA Apollo VP2 > // SiS 5582 > // Intel 430HX > // VIA Apollo VPX > // > // The order is the order of speed in c't's BAPCo benchmark (which, > // unfortunately, is stronly Microsoft-oriented) with 64 MB main memory > // (430TX is the fastest, with a rating of 225, compared to 221 for teh > // Aladdin and the VP2). With increasing memory, the TX performance > // drops, while the performance of the other chip sets increases. At 72 > // MB, the TX drops below Aladdin and VP2, at 96 MB (!) below the HX, and > // by 128 MB, it's down to 204, compared to 227 for the Aladdin (which by > // this time has left the VP2 behind). > > Is that VIA Apollo VP2 that OEM version from AMD640 ? Yes. Sorry, there are a number of alternative numberings for some of these chips. I just don't have time to type them in. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 19:23:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09396 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:23:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09390 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.8.8/LBL-ITG) id TAA07952; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:22:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:22:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jin Guojun (ITG staff) Message-Id: <199803050322.TAA07952@george.lbl.gov> To: grog@lemis.com, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg (grog@lemis.com) wrote: :>> :>>>> What kind of problem could I expect from FreeBSD if I run a TX :>>>> chipset motherboard with 128M RAM ? :>>> :>>> Your performance will suck. :>> :>> Your performance will drop instead of increasing. :> :> This is controversial with what you strongly agree at below. : :Sorry, I don't understand that. Do you mean contradictory? I still :don't see any contradiction. Nothing contradictory. Just unclear statement could be argued. You mix things together. You said "drop" here, and said "great" down below titled with -- ... test of a number of motherboards which can cache more than 64 MB in... and put a group chipset there start with Intel 430TX. I did not get a clear picture what you try to depict. Actually, using TX chipset with more than 64 MB memory will not drop the perofrmance. It just will not get efficiently used as I am using right now. :) :>>>> This chipset can only cache :>>>> 64M. Anything other than performance ? Is it possible to force :>>>> FreeBSD to use the low 64M preferentially ? :>>> :>>> Take the top 64M out. :>>> :>>> Seriously, it's going to cost you less to replace the board with one :>>> wearing an HX chipset than the time that the TX board will waste you. :>> :>> The German magazine c't, which I personally greatly respect, did a :>> test of a number of motherboards which can cache more than 64 MB in :>> their issue 4/98. The chipsets tested were: :>> :> ??????????????????????? :>> Intel 430TX ??????? : :Does "???????" mean "why test the TX if it's a test of motherboards :which can cache more than 64 MB?"? If so, it's for comparison's :sake. The test itself didn't include any TX motherboards. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 21:12:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01325 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:12:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [205.162.1.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01318 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:12:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA18165; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:13:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:13:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199803050513.VAA18165@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: andrew@whine.com, jin@george.lbl.gov Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, jas@flyingfox.com, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, mike@smith.net.au Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Herdman writes: > The ASUS T2P4 will support the K6 233 and most likely the 266 > as well. Problem with most 3.1 versions is they can't produce > the 3.2v required for the core of the 233 K6.... > > Also note that ASUS now ships the T2P4 with 3.2v capabilities, > just look for the "3.2v Ready" sticker. > > And to reflect the general sentiment, the TX chipset just plain sucks. Hmm, interesting. I just picked up 3 T2P4's; I'll have to take a look and see if they're "3.2v Ready". Speaking of "sucks", I'm beginning to have trouble getting the T2P4's. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 21:18:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02209 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:18:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rome.ntr.net (ha1.ntr.net [206.112.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02109 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:18:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doublem@ntr.net) Received: from mickey (1Cust2.tnt3.huntington-beach.ca.da.uu.net [153.37.172.2]) by rome.ntr.net (NTR*NET 2.1.0) with SMTP id AAA22829 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:18:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803050518.AAA22829@rome.ntr.net> X-Sender: doublem@ntr.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:24:08 -0800 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Norman Subject: Installation of FreeBSD on Compaq ProSignia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org List Members: Compaq ProSignia 486 DX/2 66 manufactured in April/1993 with an onboard ncr53c710 SCSI controller card for hard drives only. Populated with a Seagate Barracuda (Narrow) and an HP drive (Barracuda partitioned with DOS (FAT) and majority Windows NT Workstation (NTFS)). An Adaptec AHA-1740 populated with a WangDAT Model 3100 tape drive and a Panasonic (MATSHITA) CD-ROM (CR-508). Has anyone successful installed FreeBSD with this configuration (minus the population specific, but with the two SCSI controller specifics)? Any assistance would be appreciated. I would like to devote drive1 (HP drive) to FreeBSD and still be able to multi-boot to Windows NT, DOS, and FreeBSD. Norman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 4 21:43:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07994 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:43:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07985 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:43:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24451; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:41:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803050541.VAA24451@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Norman cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation of FreeBSD on Compaq ProSignia In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:24:08 PST." <199803050518.AAA22829@rome.ntr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:41:19 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > List Members: > > Compaq ProSignia 486 DX/2 66 manufactured in April/1993 with an onboard > ncr53c710 SCSI controller card for hard drives only. Populated with a > Seagate Barracuda (Narrow) and an HP drive (Barracuda partitioned with DOS > (FAT) and majority Windows NT Workstation (NTFS)). I don't believe that the '710 is supported. > An Adaptec AHA-1740 populated with a WangDAT Model 3100 tape drive and a > Panasonic (MATSHITA) CD-ROM (CR-508). > > Has anyone successful installed FreeBSD with this configuration (minus the > population specific, but with the two SCSI controller specifics)? > > Any assistance would be appreciated. I would like to devote drive1 (HP > drive) to FreeBSD and still be able to multi-boot to Windows NT, DOS, and > FreeBSD. You might be better off getting a new, cheap disk (eg. IBM DCAS34330) and putting it on the 1740, which is supported. This combination will work quite well. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 5 10:49:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27211 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:49:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27191 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:49:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.8.8/LBL-ITG) id KAA20840; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:49:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:49:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jin Guojun (ITG staff) Message-Id: <199803051849.KAA20840@george.lbl.gov> To: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, jas@flyingfox.com, mike@smith.net.au Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonny (jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) said: }// Jim Shankland (jas@flyingfox.com) wrote: }// : > [AMD K6 not supported with HX PCIset]: }// : > Yes, K6. I had P55T2P4 Rev 3.10. So, it is included in range ( > 3.1), }// : > right ? }// : }// : I have several P55T2P4-based systems running with 200 MHz K6's. }// : They work fine. Did you mean the 233 MHz K6 only? }// }// No. They are 166/200 MHz K6s. Maybe you get better (later) Revision of MB? }// or different CPU Rev.? My CPU Rev is 9744??. }// Or maybe my P55T2P4 Rev 3.10 means 3.one not 3.ten. Any ideas? } }Well, go www.asus.com.tw, and take a look at their faq. } }I have looked there before buying mine, since at that time I wanted a K6. }I've ended with a P200MMX, but that's another history. :) I looked at manual at www.asus.com.tw, and the PCB Rev 3.10 = manual Rev 3.1. And I did not see any high Revision mentioned there. Since many people have bought higher Rev. motherboard, I guess their web site is out of date. I have no idea why my one is not working with K6, but I found this on .tw site: t25i0205.zip P/I-P55T2P4, P/I-XP55T2P4 BIOS ver. 0205 10/02/97 1.Fix can't format 1.44MB diskette in LS120 drive when drive A is 1.44MB standard Floppy and drive B is LS120. 2.Fix HDD Display size wrong in system config table if Partition table is invalid. 3.Improve the ATA/ATAPI auto-detect algorithm. 4.Fix GLINT Frame buffer can't be accessed. 5.Add new AMD K6 support. (model 7,8,9) 6.... I am going to try to upgrade the BIOS to see if I can get K6 work. FYI, the www.asus.com and www.asus.com.tw are different sites. The faq is on www.asus.com site. -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 5 23:20:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25708 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25531 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:19:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id IAA25469 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:19:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id HAA10973; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:59:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980306075942.A10962@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:59:42 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Mail-Followup-To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199803051849.KAA20840@george.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.4i In-Reply-To: <199803051849.KAA20840@george.lbl.gov>; from ITG staff on Thu, Mar 05, 1998 at 10:49:01AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4103 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to ITG staff: > 5.Add new AMD K6 support. (model 7,8,9) This is for the new K6 3D, not the regular K6 which has been supported since 2.03 (2.02 too but was buggy). I'm running 2.03 here with a K6-200. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Mar 1 18:50:39 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 5 23:25:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27600 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:25:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27498; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:24:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmm125@bellatlantic.net) Received: from myname.my.domain (client201-122-8.bellatlantic.net [151.201.122.8]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id CAA26684; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 02:23:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 02:22:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Donn Miller X-Sender: dmm125@myname.my.domain To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ide cdrom & asus sp97v Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've posted this question before, but I wasn't more specific. I've got a 24x ide cdrom (BTC) on secondary slave. I also have wdc0 and wcd1 configured. Yet I get this on boot-up: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): wdc1 not found at 0x170 ^^^^^^^^ My motherboard is an Asus sp97-v. Also, my hard drive light stays on constantly even though no activity is going on. I'm using: FreeBSD 3.0-980130-SNAP. I have a feeling that this might be an asus-specific thing. If anyone else is using this mode of asus mainbboard, I would like to hear what they've done to detect cdrom if it's on secondary slave. Under dos it gets detected. When my computer boots (before booting the operating systems), it says the ide cdrom is mode 4 on secondary slave. Thanks. Donn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 04:54:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13364 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 04:54:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from boober.lineone.net (boober-be.lineone.net [194.75.152.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA13344; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 04:54:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gurab@lineone.net) Received: from speedy (host5-99-62-22.btinternet.com [195.99.62.22]) by boober.lineone.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id JAA03932; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:57:56 GMT Reply-To: "Christopher Raven" From: "Christopher Raven" To: Cc: Subject: 3C509 card ok Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:01:25 -0000 Message-ID: <01bd48e6$d2b69160$163e63c3@speedy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I see that undetected and hard to configure 3C509 problems are a fairly common problem. Sorry but I just lost my saved mail on this problem, so ....... 1. I have a Micronics Twister baby AT motherboard does anyone know of a way to detect 3C509 with this m/board please. I have picked up the "Complete FreeBSD" book but can't see a section dealing with undetected cards ? 2. I have also a QDI TX Jumperless Motherboard on a second machine - this board found its 3C509 immediately and is running FreeBSD like a dream. I wasn't sure where to mention this fact so please excuse my mailing it here. thanks Chris R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 09:51:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21931 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:51:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21857; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:51:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199803061751.JAA21857@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: CIS tuple #6 To: freebsd-mobile, freebsd-hardware Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:51:01 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org just bought the mindshare pcmcia book. it lists the tuples but refers me to the standards for details grrr..... anyone got a copy of the standard? details on tuple #6? wanna fax me a couple pages from the standard? if you are in the USA please contact me by email or phone (202) 452-2831. thanks jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 09:55:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23141 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:55:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23105; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:55:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00463; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:53:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803061753.JAA00463@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Christopher Raven" cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3C509 card ok In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:01:25 GMT." <01bd48e6$d2b69160$163e63c3@speedy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 09:53:47 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You really just wanted -questions for this one. > I see that undetected and hard to configure 3C509 problems are a > fairly common problem. Sorry but I just lost my saved mail on this > problem, so ....... > > 1. I have a Micronics Twister baby AT motherboard does anyone know of > a way to detect 3C509 with this m/board please. I have picked up the > "Complete FreeBSD" book but can't see a section dealing with > undetected cards ? The motherboard isn't likely to figure significantly in the equation here, although the BIOS might. To get a 509 working, you need to turn off PnP with the DOS configuration program. There are also some conflicts with other PnP cards even then; you may want to shuffle back and forth until you isolate the problem. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 09:55:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23236 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:55:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cynix.ecn.purdue.edu (cynix.ecn.purdue.edu [128.46.198.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23142 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:55:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from splite@purdue.edu) Received: (from splite@localhost) by cynix.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09093 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:27:36 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Plite Message-Id: <199803061727.MAA09093@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> Subject: quiet 7200rpm disk recommendations? To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:27:34 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone recommend a relatively quiet 2-4GB 7200RPM Ultra-SCSI disk, suitable for office desktop use? I replaced a Barracuda 2LP (which squeals like a pig on a dental drill) with an old 4GB Atlas (which sounds like a blender full of gravel when it seeks), but I'd like something a bit faster and quieter. Actually, it wasn't the volume of the 'cuda that bothered me so much as the pitch of the squeal, which set my teeth on edge. OTOH, I can't hear my CD player over the Atlas seeking without cranking it to a neighbor-disturbing volume. Any comments on the Hawk 4XL, Viking I/II, Ultrastar 2XP, etc? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 10:06:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26074 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:06:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26015 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:06:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yB1EA-0004wU-00; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:48:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:48:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Steven Plite cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quiet 7200rpm disk recommendations? In-Reply-To: <199803061727.MAA09093@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Steven Plite wrote: > Can anyone recommend a relatively quiet 2-4GB 7200RPM Ultra-SCSI disk, > suitable for office desktop use? I replaced a Barracuda 2LP (which squeals The Barrucuda 4LP and 4XL (I don't think the 4LP is made anymore) series is much quieter. I believe Seagate has noise info on their web site. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 10:07:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26262 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:07:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26235 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00835; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:03:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803061803.KAA00835@implode.root.com> To: Steven Plite cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quiet 7200rpm disk recommendations? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Mar 1998 12:27:34 EST." <199803061727.MAA09093@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:03:53 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Can anyone recommend a relatively quiet 2-4GB 7200RPM Ultra-SCSI disk, >suitable for office desktop use? I replaced a Barracuda 2LP (which squeals >like a pig on a dental drill) with an old 4GB Atlas (which sounds like a >blender full of gravel when it seeks), but I'd like something a bit faster and >quieter. The Atlas-II is fairly quiet; it doesn't make any squealing noises and isn't as loud at seeking compared to the Atlas. I wouldn't say that it was anywhere near silent, however. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 11:20:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05115 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:20:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (root@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05104 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:20:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA00741; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:18:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:18:40 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: Steven Plite cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quiet 7200rpm disk recommendations? In-Reply-To: <199803061727.MAA09093@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Steven Plite wrote: > Can anyone recommend a relatively quiet 2-4GB 7200RPM Ultra-SCSI disk, > suitable for office desktop use? I replaced a Barracuda 2LP (which squeals ...snip... > Any comments on the Hawk 4XL, Viking I/II, Ultrastar 2XP, etc? If you would consider a 5400RPM drive since it is only for desktop use, the 4.3GB IBM DCAS 34330W (the Ultrastar 2ES I believe) is very quiet, even when seeking (I have two of them in my box at home). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 11:25:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06267 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:25:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05804 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:23:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-04.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.132]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04403; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id LAA24135; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:22:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:22:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803061922.LAA24135@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: dg@root.com CC: splite@purdue.edu, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199803061803.KAA00835@implode.root.com> (message from David Greenman on Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:03:53 -0800) Subject: Re: quiet 7200rpm disk recommendations? From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * The Atlas-II is fairly quiet; it doesn't make any squealing noises and * isn't as loud at seeking compared to the Atlas. I wouldn't say that it * was anywhere near silent, however. I can vouch for this. It is certainly quieter than than the fan I added to keep it cool. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 12:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20409 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:31:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20373 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:31:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.8.8/LBL-ITG) id MAA16543; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:31:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:31:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jin Guojun (ITG staff) Message-Id: <199803062031.MAA16543@george.lbl.gov> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >According to ITG staff: >> 5.Add new AMD K6 support. (model 7,8,9) > >This is for the new K6 3D, not the regular K6 which has been supported >since 2.03 (2.02 too but was buggy). I'm running 2.03 here with a K6-200. Here is the summsry: According to ASUS web site, the AMD K6 is supported at Rev 3.0 or later. In fact, this is just accounting stuff. The real part is the HX itself. Regardless what it said on manual Rev 3.1 (PCB Rev 3.10) -- "K6 is not support", the AMD K6 always works on ASUS HX motherboard, however, just the information reported on the console is wrong. e.g., BIOS 109 reports K6-200 as K5-133, etc. I tested under this environment, the performance is K6-200. Also, the memory performance is better then under BIOS 205 (the latest one) because -- that under BIOS 109, the K6 FPU looks like 64-bits, but under BIOS 205, K6 FPU looks like 32-bits. It is very interesting. For Intel FPU, it acts the same (64-bits) under both BIOS Rev. -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 14:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03184 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:30:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03157 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id XAA11419; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:30:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id XAA20077; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:05:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980306230547.A20033@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:05:47 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: ITG staff Cc: Hardware Mailing list Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Mail-Followup-To: ITG staff , Hardware Mailing list References: <199803062031.MAA16543@george.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.4i In-Reply-To: <199803062031.MAA16543@george.lbl.gov>; from ITG staff on Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 12:31:02PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4103 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to ITG staff: > the AMD K6 always works on ASUS HX motherboard, however, just the information > reported on the console is wrong. There is the matter of Write Allocation (do I get the term right ?). It is enabled by default by the BIOS I think. > I tested under this environment, the performance is K6-200. Also, the memory > performance is better then under BIOS 205 (the latest one) because -- > that under BIOS 109, the K6 FPU looks like 64-bits, > but under BIOS 205, K6 FPU looks like 32-bits. It is very interesting. But no one uses the BIOS under FreeBSD... What do you call "looks like 64-bits" ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Mar 1 18:50:39 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 14:31:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03279 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:31:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03218 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:31:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id XAA11427 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:31:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id XAA20114; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:10:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980306231050.A20106@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:10:50 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quiet 7200rpm disk recommendations? Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199803061727.MAA09093@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Dillon on Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 01:18:40PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4103 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Chris Dillon: > If you would consider a 5400RPM drive since it is only for desktop use, > the 4.3GB IBM DCAS 34330W (the Ultrastar 2ES I believe) is very quiet, > even when seeking (I have two of them in my box at home). Same opinion here. My two DCAS are very quiet and 9 MB/s is not too bad for 5400 rpms drives. They run rather cool too. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Mar 1 18:50:39 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 14:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04108 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:36:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04100; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:36:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pjenvey@pike.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (pjenvey@localhost) by pike.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA08528; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:33:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pjenvey@pike.cdrom.com) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:33:28 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Jenvey To: Donn Miller cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ide cdrom & asus sp97v In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Donn Miller wrote: > I've posted this question before, but I wasn't more specific. I've got a > 24x ide cdrom (BTC) on secondary slave. I also have wdc0 and wcd1 > configured. Yet I get this on boot-up: > > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): > wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): > wdc1 not found at 0x170 > ^^^^^^^^ > > My motherboard is an Asus sp97-v. Also, my hard drive light stays on > constantly even though no activity is going on. I'm using: > > FreeBSD 3.0-980130-SNAP. I have a feeling that this might be an > asus-specific thing. If anyone else is using this mode of asus > mainbboard, I would like to hear what they've done to detect cdrom if it's > on secondary slave. Under dos it gets detected. I had a somewhat similar problem with a BTC cdrom and an ASUS P55T2P4. Whenever I overclocked my 120 to 133, everything worked fine, but the CDROM wasn't detected. This was under 2.2.2-RELEASE. -- Phil Jenvey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 15:13:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09531 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:13:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09521 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:12:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.8.8/LBL-ITG) id PAA20256; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:12:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jin Guojun (ITG staff) Message-Id: <199803062312.PAA20256@george.lbl.gov> To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Subject: Re: TX Chipset and more than 64M Ram Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I tested under this environment, the performance is K6-200. Also, the memory >> performance is better then under BIOS 205 (the latest one) because -- >> that under BIOS 109, the K6 FPU looks like 64-bits, >> but under BIOS 205, K6 FPU looks like 32-bits. It is very interesting. > >But no one uses the BIOS under FreeBSD... What do you call "looks like >64-bits" ? Using double (float) register do memory copy compare with using integer (32b) register, you will see the difference. K6 under BIOS 109: int register to memory copy: 57MBps double register to memory copy: 110MBps K6 under BIOS 205: int register to memory copy: 68MBps double register to memory copy: 74MBps Intel under both BIOS: int register to memory copy: 88MBps double register to memory copy: 175MBps So, there is some tricky to increase memory performance for AMD K6 under FreeBSD. -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 16:42:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19496 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:42:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (root@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19483 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:42:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA00418; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:41:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:41:29 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: Ollivier Robert cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quiet 7200rpm disk recommendations? In-Reply-To: <19980306231050.A20106@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Chris Dillon: > > If you would consider a 5400RPM drive since it is only for desktop use, > > the 4.3GB IBM DCAS 34330W (the Ultrastar 2ES I believe) is very quiet, > > even when seeking (I have two of them in my box at home). > > Same opinion here. My two DCAS are very quiet and 9 MB/s is not too bad for > 5400 rpms drives. They run rather cool too. Oh yeah, did I mention they were fast and ran cool? ;-) They are indeed fast drives, for only spinning at 5400RPM. I use the two I have in a striped ccd configuration and have managed about 15 or 17 MB/sec according to bonnie (this is off the top of my head and I forget which test it was). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 18:50:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07995 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:50:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07966 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:50:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-138.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.138]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA19715; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:50:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA15371; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:02:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803070202.UAA15371@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Steven Plite , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: quiet 7200rpm disk recommendations? In-reply-to: Message from Chris Dillon of "Fri, 06 Mar 1998 13:18:40 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 20:02:09 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Dillon writes: > > On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Steven Plite wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a relatively quiet 2-4GB 7200RPM Ultra-SCSI disk, > > suitable for office desktop use? I replaced a Barracuda 2LP (which squeals [...] > If you would consider a 5400RPM drive since it is only for desktop use, > the 4.3GB IBM DCAS 34330W (the Ultrastar 2ES I believe) is very quiet, > even when seeking (I have two of them in my box at home). Ditto. A while back I played with a 7200 RPM Seagate ST15150N and a narrow DCAS 34330 on an SGI Indy R5000. Simple test using dd to write a 1G file in 1M chunks yeilded about 8M/sec for the IBM and 7M/sec for the "faster" Seagate. Both disks had freshly created XFS filesystems. The Indy SCSI was only Fast, not Ultra. I don't think rotation speed tells the whole story. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 22:10:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00617 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:10:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00599 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:10:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16792; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:40:08 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA19465; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:39:52 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980307163951.57653@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:39:51 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Tom , Omar Thameen Cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: getting oriented with RAID References: <19980303200705.12976@clifford.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Tom on Tue, Mar 03, 1998 at 05:28:48PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 3 March 1998 at 17:28:48 -0800, Tom wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Omar Thameen wrote: > >> I really want to make sure I understand the implementation of RAID >> on freebsd, because it looks like a great thing to have on production >> servers. Sorry if this continues to be very basic. > > Sorry, there is no "implementation of RAID on freebsd". RAID is handled > by the controller. FreeBSD just sees a big disk. You're just barely correct. I'm writing a software RAID 5 implementation. ccd is a RAID 0/1 implementation. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 22:22:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01132 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:22:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fddi.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01112 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:21:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 25096 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Mar 1998 06:30:02 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-021598 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980307163951.57653@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:30:01 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: getting oriented with RAID Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Omar Thameen , Tom Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 07-Mar-98 Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tue, 3 March 1998 at 17:28:48 -0800, Tom wrote: >> >> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Omar Thameen wrote: >> >>> I really want to make sure I understand the implementation of RAID >>> on freebsd, because it looks like a great thing to have on production >>> servers. Sorry if this continues to be very basic. >> >> Sorry, there is no "implementation of RAID on freebsd". RAID is >> handled >> by the controller. FreeBSD just sees a big disk. > > You're just barely correct. I'm writing a software RAID 5 > implementation. ccd is a RAID 0/1 implementation. Ccd knows how to do ``write-only'' RAID-{0,1}. To recover from a failure, under CCD is less than automatic. Also, to put your boot device on ccd RAID is less than trivial. Recovery and management tools are essential for most people. ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 22:30:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02540 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:30:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02480 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:30:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16813; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:59:50 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA19526; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:59:50 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980307165949.63405@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:59:49 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Omar Thameen , Tom Subject: Re: getting oriented with RAID References: <19980307163951.57653@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Simon Shapiro on Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 10:30:01PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 March 1998 at 22:30:01 -0800, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > On 07-Mar-98 Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Tue, 3 March 1998 at 17:28:48 -0800, Tom wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Omar Thameen wrote: >>> >>>> I really want to make sure I understand the implementation of RAID >>>> on freebsd, because it looks like a great thing to have on production >>>> servers. Sorry if this continues to be very basic. >>> >>> Sorry, there is no "implementation of RAID on freebsd". RAID is >>> handled >>> by the controller. FreeBSD just sees a big disk. >> >> You're just barely correct. I'm writing a software RAID 5 >> implementation. ccd is a RAID 0/1 implementation. > > Ccd knows how to do ``write-only'' RAID-{0,1}. To recover from a failure, > under CCD is less than automatic. Tell me about it. It's about as easy as reading in a backup. > Also, to put your boot device on ccd RAID is less than trivial. I haven't tried that. Until recently, I didn't know it was possible. It should be possible with vinum, but I haven't finalized the details yet. > Recovery and management tools are essential for most people. Don't expect me to praise ccd. As far as I can tell, it's broken. I originally wanted to upgrade it for the features I wanted to add, but there's almost nothing of the original code left. Vinum recovers from failures automatically, even now. It also does (or will soon do) a lot of other neat things. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 6 22:53:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03731 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fddi.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA03717 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:53:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 25373 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Mar 1998 06:54:53 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-021598 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980307165949.63405@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:54:53 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: getting oriented with RAID Cc: Tom , Omar Thameen , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 07-Mar-98 Greg Lehey wrote: ... > Vinum recovers from failures automatically, even now. It also does > (or will soon do) a lot of other neat things. It is very good and important to have such advanced system in FreeBSD. It will allow a lower budget reliability, put some pressure on hardware makers, etc. Besides, it is fun to do and probably keeps bread on the table. I particularly like the volume manager and JFS features. ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 7 00:30:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10951 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:30:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA10943 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBEie-0005SO-00; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:12:32 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:12:30 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Greg Lehey cc: Omar Thameen , shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: getting oriented with RAID In-Reply-To: <19980307163951.57653@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tue, 3 March 1998 at 17:28:48 -0800, Tom wrote: > > > > On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Omar Thameen wrote: > > > >> I really want to make sure I understand the implementation of RAID > >> on freebsd, because it looks like a great thing to have on production > >> servers. Sorry if this continues to be very basic. > > > > Sorry, there is no "implementation of RAID on freebsd". RAID is handled > > by the controller. FreeBSD just sees a big disk. > > You're just barely correct. I'm writing a software RAID 5 > implementation. ccd is a RAID 0/1 implementation. Most people think of "RAID" as RAID5. Even the ccd manpage refuses to call what it does "RAID". > Greg Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 7 06:04:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09633 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:04:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay7.jaring.my (relay7.jaring.my [192.228.128.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09615; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:04:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jahan@pc.jaring.my) Received: from pc.jaring.my (jahan@j40.ptl33.jaring.my [161.142.114.114]) by relay7.jaring.my (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16466; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 22:01:37 +0800 (MYT) Message-ID: <350049B8.6F76785B@pc.jaring.my> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 02:08:40 +0700 From: Jahan Reply-To: jahan@pc.jaring.my X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donn Miller CC: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ide cdrom & asus sp97v References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is your CDROM cable upside down ? pin 1 pin 1 ? Donn Miller wrote: > > I've posted this question before, but I wasn't more specific. I've got a > 24x ide cdrom (BTC) on secondary slave. I also have wdc0 and wcd1 > configured. Yet I get this on boot-up: > > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): > wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): > wdc1 not found at 0x170 > ^^^^^^^^ > > My motherboard is an Asus sp97-v. Also, my hard drive light stays on > constantly even though no activity is going on. I'm using: > > FreeBSD 3.0-980130-SNAP. I have a feeling that this might be an > asus-specific thing. If anyone else is using this mode of asus > mainbboard, I would like to hear what they've done to detect cdrom if it's > on secondary slave. Under dos it gets detected. > > When my computer boots (before booting the operating systems), it says the > ide cdrom is mode 4 on secondary slave. > > Thanks. > > Donn > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 7 06:59:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14872 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:59:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14867; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:59:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmm125@bellatlantic.net) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client201-122-44.bellatlantic.net [151.201.122.44]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id JAA17550; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:58:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35018A57.54EA4F07@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 09:56:40 -0800 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jahan@pc.jaring.my CC: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ide cdrom & asus sp97v References: <350049B8.6F76785B@pc.jaring.my> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jahan wrote: > Is your CDROM cable upside down ? pin 1 pin 1 ? > > It's OK... I just had the ide cdrom configured on the secondary controller as slave (with no master on this channel). I moved it to master and now it works OK. It still takes a while to probe it though. > Donn Miller wrote: > > > > I've posted this question before, but I wasn't more specific. I've got a > > 24x ide cdrom (BTC) on secondary slave. I also have wdc0 and wcd1 > > configured. Yet I get this on boot-up: > > > > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa > > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): > > wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): > > wdc1 not found at 0x170 > > ^^^^^^^^ > > > > My motherboard is an Asus sp97-v. Also, my hard drive light stays on > > constantly even though no activity is going on. I'm using: > > > > FreeBSD 3.0-980130-SNAP. I have a feeling that this might be an > > asus-specific thing. If anyone else is using this mode of asus > > mainbboard, I would like to hear what they've done to detect cdrom if it's > > on secondary slave. Under dos it gets detected. > > > > When my computer boots (before booting the operating systems), it says the > > ide cdrom is mode 4 on secondary slave. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Donn > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message