From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 8 06:43:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00532 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 06:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ady.warpnet.ro (ady.warpnet.ro [193.230.201.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00378; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 06:43:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Received: from localhost (ady@localhost) by ady.warpnet.ro (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09238; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:42:36 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:42:36 +0200 (EET) From: Penisoara Adrian To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Opinion on ATC5000 motherboard ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm going to buy one of there (cheapo) ATC 5000 motherboards (or the newer versions like 5020 or 5050); does anyone know them to behave good or did anybody have any troubles with them ? And about that, what would it be you choice for a good & cheap motherboard in this category: * Socket 7 (supporting the whole range of "586" generation processors, e.g. Pentium 90-233Mhz (MMX), Cyrix, IBM-6x86, AMD K5 & K6, etc.) * More PCI buses than ISA * DIMM sockets (at least 2) * USB, PS/2 mouse * Preferably no ATX & SCSI onboard (due to bigger costs) Thanks for any info. Ady (@warpnet.ro) Warp Net Technologies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 8 07:37:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06551 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:37:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from omnix.net (omnix.net [194.183.217.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06544 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:37:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from didier@omnix.net) Received: from localhost (didier@localhost) by omnix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA09486; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:37:27 GMT (envelope-from didier@omnix.net) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:37:27 +0100 (CET) From: Didier Derny To: Steven Plite cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quiet 7200rpm disk recommendations? In-Reply-To: <199803061727.MAA09093@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Steven Plite wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a relatively quiet 2-4GB 7200RPM Ultra-SCSI disk, > suitable for office desktop use? I replaced a Barracuda 2LP (which squeals > like a pig on a dental drill) with an old 4GB Atlas (which sounds like a > blender full of gravel when it seeks), but I'd like something a bit faster and > quieter. > I have two Seagate Cheetah 4Gb they are really quieter compared to the 2Gb barracuda they are replacing. -- Didier Derny didier@omnix.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 8 09:03:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14963 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:03:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from madoka.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (madoka.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.98.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14955 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:03:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pasqual@hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from sakura.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ppp-cl2.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.98.225]) by madoka.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.8.8/3.6W/MhostHAL) with SMTP id CAA01071; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:03:39 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3502CFBB.41C67EA6@hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 02:04:59 +0900 From: Ajith Pasqual Organization: Hatori-Aizawa Laboratory, Dept. of Info. and Comm. Eng., University of Tokyo X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG CC: pasqual@hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp Subject: Dual PII Motherboard - Best for FreeBSD ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm about to order one of the dual pentium II motherboards and would like to know the experiences of those who already use them. I've followed the recent threads on Dual PII motherboards but the information there wasn't sufficient to decide on one. (Tom's hardware page wasn't of much help - No reviews of dual pII boards yet. There was 1 review of single PII MB's that contains 2 Dual PII MB's - Tyan and Supermicro) I've 3 boards to choose from : 1. ASUS P2L97-DS (Onboard SCSI - AHA 7880) 2. Gigabyte GA-686 DLX ( Onboard SCSI, Adaptec 7880B ) 3. Tyan S1696DLUA Thunder 2 ATX (AIC 7895 - read the thread about this too). Of the above 3, I've more or less decided to buy either ASUS or Gigabyte and thought it would be better to ask. This PC is not for a server. It will be used soley for Image Processing. (Heavy floating point calculations included). I'm planning to buy 2, 333MHz CPU's. I've read (in BYTE???) that for some applications 333 is about 10% faster than 300 purely due to its small size (0.25 micron process). Do not know if this is worth the incremental cost!! I would greatly appreciate if anyone can share their experiences with the above boards. Will be running -current to make use of the 2 CPU's and threads (that is a question for the future!!) Another question regarding onboard SCSI - will this be the same as a separate SCSI Adpater in terms of reliability and performance ? Thanks a lot in advance. A quick reply would be very much appreciated. Ajith. PS: This is for Lab Work and we want the best possible configuration in terms of performance, stability and reliabilty. (Too much to ask!!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 8 15:16:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27493 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:16:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27480 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:16:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA23770; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) To: Ajith Pasqual cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual PII Motherboard - Best for FreeBSD ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 02:04:59 +0900." <3502CFBB.41C67EA6@hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 15:15:23 -0800 Message-ID: <23767.889398923@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 1. ASUS P2L97-DS (Onboard SCSI - AHA 7880) We use these all the time - you can't go wrong with it. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 8 15:17:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27578 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:17:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27572 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:17:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17409 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:17:24 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803082317.UAA17409@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:17:23 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What could be causing this ? Hardware or software problem ? Mar 8 20:13:48 gaia /kernel: de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow Mar 8 20:13:52 gaia /kernel: de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 8 19:51:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14919 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:51:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA14711; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:49:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yBtH7-00072n-00; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:30:49 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Ajith Pasqual , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual PII Motherboard - Best for FreeBSD ? In-Reply-To: <23767.889398923@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > 1. ASUS P2L97-DS (Onboard SCSI - AHA 7880) > > We use these all the time - you can't go wrong with it. Rumor has it that the P2L97 doesn't like the DPT RAID cards (or vice versa). Anyone else verified this incompatibility? > Jordan Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 9 05:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14291 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:52:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bmccane.maxbaud.net ([208.155.166.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA14169 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:52:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by bmccane.maxbaud.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id HAA09864; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:51:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from toor) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:51:50 -0600 (CST) From: Wm Brian McCane To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SMC3016TP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone seen this beast? It is a 16-bit ISA card with an AUI and TP port on the back. It is in a customers machine (non-PCI), and he doesn't want to fork out any money. He also doesn't have a manual. Anyway, is this card supported by FreeBSD? I checked the sources in /sys/i386/isa and found lots of SMC references, but none for this one. Also, if this is supported, if someone could tell me the switch settings for IO 0x280 MEM 0xd8000 I would appreciate it. tia, brian +-----------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ He rides a cycle of mighty days, and \ Wm Brian and Lori McCane represents the last great schizm among\ McCane Consulting the gods. Evil though he obviously is, \ root@bmccane.cavtech.com he is a mighty figure, this father of \ http://bmccane.cavtech.com/ my spirit, and I respect him as the sons \ http://bmccane.cavtech.com/~pictures/ of old did the fathers of their bodies. \ http://bmccane.cavtech.com/~bmccane/ Roger Zelazny - "Lord of Light" \ +-------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 9 07:37:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00171 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:37:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kaori.communique.net (kaori.communique.net [204.27.67.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00159 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:37:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rzig@gulfsouth.verio.net) Received: by kaori.communique.net with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:36:10 -0600 Message-ID: From: Raul Zighelboim To: "'freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org'" Subject: 2xahc3940 or 4 x ahc2940 ? Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:36:09 -0600 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello there I will soon be setting up a new server, and I am wandering: Will I be better off with lot's of single bis scsi controllers, or less multi buss ones ? The motherboard will be the SuperMicro P6DLH with 9 PCI ports and Risc I/O controller. Thanks,. ================================================== Raul Zighelboim mango@staff.communique.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 9 08:38:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08759 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:38:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (deischen@iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08741 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:38:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org) Received: (from deischen@localhost) by iworks.InterWorks.org (8.8.7/) id KAA03493; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:44:31 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803091644.KAA03493@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:44:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org, rzig@gulfsouth.verio.net Subject: Re: 2xahc3940 or 4 x ahc2940 ? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I will soon be setting up a new server, and I am wandering: > Will I be better off with lot's of single bis scsi controllers, > or less multi buss ones ? > > The motherboard will be the SuperMicro P6DLH with 9 PCI ports and Risc > I/O controller. If this is the I2O (i960) motherboard, I don't think you'll have much luck with it under FreeBSD. I'd search the mail archives for SuperMicro and I20 for similar experiences with i960 motherboards. Most FreeBSDers are very happy with ASUS motherboards. See if you can get the P6-DLS (with on-board 7880) and slap one or two 3940s in it. Actually, that's a dual CPU motherboard, but you get 4 PCI slots instead of 3 on the single CPU version, I think. Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 9 16:35:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA15685 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:35:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alberti.unh.edu (dkf@alberti.unh.edu [132.177.137.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15558; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:34:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkf@alberti.unh.edu) Received: from localhost (dkf@localhost) by alberti.unh.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12726; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:34:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:34:29 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel K Fry To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pccard ethernet q's Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi i am trying to get my ethernet card on my laptop to work it is an Accton EN2216 Ethernet PCMCIA card my win95 device manager on the laptop says that the card is at IRQ15, I/O 0x300-0x31f however, after setting up the kernel configuration off the freebsd 3.0 boot disk, i get the following output: zp: pcmcia slot 0: ACCTON~EN2216-PCMCIA-ETHERNET~EN2216~R02~ zp: slot1: no card in slot zp0: not found at 0x300 obviously i eliminated any conflicts in my kernel configuration has anyone out there encountered any similar problems? please let me know. thank you, Daniel Kanoa Fry daniel.fry@unh.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 9 16:53:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19599 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:53:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mb104.infoweb.or.jp (mb104.infoweb.or.jp [202.248.2.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19569 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:52:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from bubble.didi.com by mb104.infoweb.or.jp (8.8.7+2.7Wbeta7/3.6Wbeta6-09/12/97) id JAA05984; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:52:45 +0900 Received: (from asami@localhost) by bubble.didi.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA01957; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:52:42 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from asami) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:52:42 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803100052.JAA01957@bubble.didi.com> To: rzig@gulfsouth.verio.net CC: freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Raul Zighelboim on Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:36:09 -0600) Subject: Re: 2xahc3940 or 4 x ahc2940 ? From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * I will soon be setting up a new server, and I am wandering: * Will I be better off with lot's of single bis scsi controllers, * or less multi buss ones ? * * The motherboard will be the SuperMicro P6DLH with 9 PCI ports and Risc * I/O controller. I can't vouch for that motherboard, but as a general answer, you shouldn't have any problems with twin-channel controllers if you are using FreeBSD. Satoshi P.S. If you are using Solaris x86, forget it. Load three 3940's and you'll lock up the machine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 9 16:56:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19963 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:56:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mb101.infoweb.or.jp (mb101.infoweb.or.jp [202.248.2.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19840 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:54:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from bubble.didi.com by mb101.infoweb.or.jp (8.8.7+2.7Wbeta7/3.6Wbeta6-09/12/97) id JAA03729; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:54:41 +0900 Received: (from asami@localhost) by bubble.didi.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA01981; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:54:39 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from asami) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:54:39 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803100054.JAA01981@bubble.didi.com> To: rzig@gulfsouth.verio.net CC: freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Raul Zighelboim on Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:36:09 -0600) Subject: Re: 2xahc3940 or 4 x ahc2940 ? From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I can't vouch for that motherboard, but as a general answer, you > shouldn't have any problems with twin-channel controllers if you are > using FreeBSD. In case you are wondering, what I'm trying to say here is that I recommend the 3940's. Using less PCI slots are almost always good. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 10 08:59:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27380 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:59:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.communique.no (www.communique.no [193.212.204.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA27356 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:59:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from are@communique.no) Received: (qmail 24777 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Mar 1998 16:59:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:59:34 +0100 (CET) From: Are Bryne X-Sender: are@rune.communique.no To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Are Bryne Subject: sio0 not found on a Compaq Message-ID: Organization: Communique DA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Please cc me, or answer directly, as I'm not on freebsd-hardware] Hi, I've got some problems with a Compaq LTE Elite 4/50CX. It's docked in a Smartstation. The sio0 port is probed, but not found. The system is FreeBSD-stable as of sometime in January. When I give the flags 0x82 to sio0, I am told the following: sio0: probe test 5 failed sio0: probe test 8 failed Otherwise, the port is configured with default values. Hope someone can help me with this. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Are Bryne Communiqué DA Phone: +47 22 44 33 99 Parkveien 51b E-mail: admin@communique.no N-0256 Oslo URL: http://www.communique.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 10 09:27:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02510 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:27:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02481; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id KAA05299; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:24:25 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:24:25 -0700 (MST) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199803101724.KAA05299@narnia.plutotech.com> To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2xahc3940 or 4 x ahc2940 ? Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: <199803100054.JAA01981@bubble.didi.com> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <199803100054.JAA01981@bubble.didi.com> you wrote: > > I can't vouch for that motherboard, but as a general answer, you > > shouldn't have any problems with twin-channel controllers if you are > > using FreeBSD. > > In case you are wondering, what I'm trying to say here is that I > recommend the 3940's. Using less PCI slots are almost always good. Use 3940AUW cards. They give you two channels without the added complexity and latency of an intermediate PCI-PCI bridge and the 7895 chip that they use has some performance features the 7880 does not have. > Satoshi -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 10 09:55:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08507 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nest.bistbn.com (yury@nest.bistbn.com [209.88.174.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08462 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yury@nest.bistbn.com) Received: (from yury@localhost) by nest.bistbn.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA00605 for hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:54:51 +0200 (IST) (envelope-from yury) From: Yuri Krichevsky Message-Id: <199803101754.TAA00605@nest.bistbn.com> Subject: solution to 'sio0 not found' problem on IWill (and maybe COMPAQ) To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:54:51 +0200 (IST) Reply-To: yury@luckynet.co.il X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. This is small patch for FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE, that fixes problem with detecting serial ports on IWill motherboards (I hope, it will work for COMPAQ LTE Elite machines also). I don't think it is right way to detect serial ports, so please use my patch only if you have this problem. P.S. sorry for my english ;-) P.P.S. after reboot, you may get message like this 'sio0: 65 events for device without tp' - just ignore it. *** /sys/i386/isa/sio.c.orig Thu Mar 5 19:44:34 1998 --- /sys/i386/isa/sio.c Tue Mar 10 19:23:06 1998 *************** *** 493,499 **** struct isa_device *dev; { static bool_t already_init; ! bool_t failures[10]; int fn; struct isa_device *idev; Port_t iobase; --- 493,499 ---- struct isa_device *dev; { static bool_t already_init; ! bool_t failures[12]; int fn; struct isa_device *idev; Port_t iobase; *************** *** 664,677 **** enable_intr(); result = IO_COMSIZE; ! for (fn = 0; fn < sizeof failures; ++fn) ! if (failures[fn]) { ! outb(iobase + com_mcr, 0); result = 0; ! if (COM_VERBOSE(dev)) ! printf("sio%d: probe test %d failed\n", ! dev->id_unit, fn); } return (result); } --- 664,726 ---- enable_intr(); result = IO_COMSIZE; ! ! /* ! * Patch (C) Yuri Krichevsky (yury@bistbn.com) ! * ! * If we have'nt found serial port yet, maybe it's strange ! * serial port... (like on IWill motherboard) ! * ! * ! * !WARNING! It's only temporary solution ! Use this patch only if ! * you have problems with serial ports ! ! * ! */ ! if (sizeof failures) { ! { ! result = IO_COMSIZE; ! ! /* ! * Probing port as described in article ! * 'The Serial Port' (C) Chris Blum (chris@phil.uni-sb.de) ! * http://colargol.tihlde.hist.no/~bardj/serial/ ! */ ! ! outb(iobase + com_mcr, 0x10); ! if ((inb(iobase + com_msr) & 0xf0)) { ! failures[10] = 1; ! result = 0; ! } else { ! outb(iobase + com_mcr, 0x1f); ! if ((inb(iobase + com_msr) & 0xf0) != 0xf0) { ! failures[11] = 1; result = 0; ! } else { ! /* ! * UART detected (I hope, it's UART). ! */ ! outb(iobase + com_cfcr, CFCR_8BITS); ! outb(iobase + com_ier, 0x0); ! outb(iobase + com_mcr, MCR_IENABLE); ! } } + + } + } + /* + * END of patch + */ + if ( !result ) { + for (fn = 0; fn < sizeof failures; ++fn) + if (failures[fn]) { + outb(iobase + com_mcr, 0); + result = 0; + if (COM_VERBOSE(dev)) + printf("sio%d: probe test %d failed\n", + dev->id_unit, fn); + } + } + return (result); } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 11 10:42:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00979 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:42:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from CTNet2.createtech.com (CTNet2.createtech.com [209.48.208.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00869 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:41:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kim@createtech.com) Received: (from smtp@localhost) by CTNet2.createtech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA06107 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:39:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from x56.createtech.com(209.48.208.56), claiming to be "createtech.com" via SMTP by pop.createtech.com, id smtpd006103; Wed Mar 11 12:39:21 1998 Message-ID: <3506D9F5.63FD2D68@createtech.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:37:41 -0600 From: Kim Shrier X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: chipsets vs memory support Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a concise summary of the different chipsets (lx, tx, hx, etc.) and how much memory they support without me having to dig it out of some carefully hidden hardware specs? -- Kim Shrier - kim@createtech.com Director of Development - CreateTech, Inc. voice 214-748-2233 - fax 214-748-3377 www.createtech.com - Custom Internet Solutions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 11 13:22:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13215 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:22:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isvara.net (root@[130.88.148.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13194 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:22:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@challenge.isvara.net) Received: from challenge.isvara.net ([130.88.66.5]) by isvara.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01704; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:21:54 GMT Message-ID: <35070084.58869D22@challenge.isvara.net> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:22:12 +0000 From: freebsd@isvara.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kim Shrier , FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Re: chipsets vs memory support References: <3506D9F5.63FD2D68@createtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kim Shrier wrote: > Is there a concise summary of the different chipsets (lx, tx, hx, etc.) > and how much memory they support without me having to dig it out > of some carefully hidden hardware specs? Yea, checkout http://developer.intel.com/design/pcisets/desktop.htm AFAIK: All the chipsets support >=256MB memory. The L2 cache can address all 256MB on a HX chipset, but only 64MB on VX, TX, and FX, ie. a ~10% hit in memory performance is more mem than 64MB on a non-HX. Of course it's best to go with Pentium Pro/Pentium II ie. 440FX/440LX. These address upto 512MB/1GB mem. With >256MB cacheable. Something like that. Read the docs. Cheers, Dan _____________________________________ Daniel J Blueman BSc Computation, UMIST, Manchester Email: blue@challenge.isvara.net Web: http://www.challenge.isvara.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 11 13:48:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19141 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:48:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18904 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:47:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA09603; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:47:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: Kim Shrier cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chipsets vs memory support In-Reply-To: <3506D9F5.63FD2D68@createtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Kim Shrier wrote: > Is there a concise summary of the different chipsets (lx, tx, hx, etc.) > and how much memory they support without me having to dig it out > of some carefully hidden hardware specs? www.tomshardware.com/chipsets.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 11 14:38:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28782 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skyserv.med.osd.mil (skyserv.med.osd.mil [199.209.8.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28771 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:38:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpotts@med.osd.mil) Received: from 161.14.168.22 (ae1970.med.osd.mil [161.14.168.22]) by skyserv.med.osd.mil (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id RAA04940 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:38:16 -0500 From: "Ross Potts, CON, EDS/D-SIDDOMS" Message-Id: <9803111738.ZM-178175@161.14.168.22> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:38:01 -0800 X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: FreeBSD-Hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Videoconferencing question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What equipment would I need for videoconferencing? Would it benecessary to get a videocapture card, or is there a PC camera(eggcam, etc.) that is compatible with both FreeBSD and win95? Does FreeBSD have drivers for the major vendors? My major concern is the video part. -- Potts, Ross A. Internet : Ross.Potts@med.osd.mil EDS-D/SIDDOMS Phone : (703) 824-7601 Skyline Two, Suite 1200 Beeper : (888) 687-2709 5113 Leesburg Pike, FAX : (703) 824-4155 Falls Church, VA 22041 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 12 00:37:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27516 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:37:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from road.runners.fi (root@road.runners.fi [194.100.38.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27508 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:36:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejk@road.runners.fi) Received: (from ejk@localhost) by road.runners.fi (8.8.8/8.8.6) id KAA16988; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:36:40 +0200 (EET) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:36:39 +0200 (EET) From: Esa Karkkainen Reply-To: ejk@runners.fi To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Soyo 5EDM motherboard with AMD-K6 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I am thinking of buying following following parts CPU: AMD K6 233 MHz Memory: 64 MB 64-bit SDRAM DIMM 3.3 V MB: Soyo 5EDM w 1M L2 cache Does anyone have any experience/comments with these components and FreeBSD? Specs for this motherboard and chipset are at http://www.soyo.com.tw/English/product/sy5ed5m.htm http://www.soyo.com.tw/English/FAQ/eteq6628.htm Esa -- Windows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 12 11:34:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09527 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:34:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09513 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:34:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA22556 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:34:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:34:25 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DMM Fireport SCSI controllers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are these supported? I didn't see them on the hw compatibility list, but I seem to remember someone mentioning them on -hackers or -current. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 12 13:49:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05761 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:49:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (d182-89.uoregon.edu [128.223.182.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05698 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA28415; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:48:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980312134816.22862@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:48:16 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Snob Art Genre Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DMM Fireport SCSI controllers References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Snob Art Genre on Thu, Mar 12, 1998 at 02:34:25PM -0500 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Snob Art Genre scribbled this message on Mar 12: > Are these supported? I didn't see them on the hw compatibility list, > but I seem to remember someone mentioning them on -hackers or -current. if your talking about the Diamond Fireport 40... yes, they are supported... they are a NCR875 based card... and uses the ncr driver.. I personally haven't used 'em, but I do plan on buying one in the near future... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 12 14:51:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18553 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:51:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18221 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:49:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mrl@teleport.com) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03338; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:49:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mostyn Lewis Received: (from mrl@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA00717; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:49:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803122249.OAA00717@user2.teleport.com> Subject: Re: DMM Fireport SCSI controllers To: benedict@echonyc.com (Snob Art Genre) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:49:24 -0800 (PST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Snob Art Genre" at Mar 12, 98 02:34:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Are these supported? I didn't see them on the hw compatibility list, > but I seem to remember someone mentioning them on -hackers or -current. Yes, I have successfully used both a Fireport 40 and a dual Fireport 40. The dual one may depend on your motherboard a little more. Also, I used the latest "demo" BIOS from DMM for both. Mostyn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 12 16:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08238 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:41:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08190 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:40:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA29989; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA12140; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:40:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:40:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199803130040.RAA12140@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: John-Mark Gurney Cc: Snob Art Genre , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DMM Fireport SCSI controllers In-Reply-To: <19980312134816.22862@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> References: <19980312134816.22862@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Are these supported? I didn't see them on the hw compatibility list, > > but I seem to remember someone mentioning them on -hackers or -current. > > if your talking about the Diamond Fireport 40... yes, they are > supported... they are a NCR875 based card... and uses the ncr driver.. > I personally haven't used 'em, but I do plan on buying one in the > near future... I have one in my box, and it works great. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 12 17:58:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22670 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:58:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA22608 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:58:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maddox@p-1.Eng.Sun.COM) Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1 [129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id RAA06916 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:58:08 -0800 Received: from taller.eng.sun.com (taller.Eng.Sun.COM [129.144.124.34]) by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) with SMTP id RAA04535 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:58:00 -0800 Received: from p-1.eng.sun.com by taller.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA12926; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:57:56 -0800 Received: from localhost by p-1.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA20184; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:49:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:49:25 -0800 (PST) From: William Maddox X-Sender: maddox@p-1 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DMM Fireport SCSI controllers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Mostyn Lewis wrote: > > > > Are these supported? I didn't see them on the hw compatibility list, > > but I seem to remember someone mentioning them on -hackers or -current. > > Yes, I have successfully used both a Fireport 40 and a dual > Fireport 40. The dual one may depend on your motherboard a > little more. Also, I used the latest "demo" BIOS from DMM > for both. > > Mostyn Better get 'em while you can. I understand that Adaptec has acquired or is in the process of acquiring Symbios Logic. I can't imagine that is a good thing. If they don't kill off the product line entirely, no doubt they'll jack up the prices. --Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 12 18:59:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02176 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:59:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02120 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:58:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mrl@teleport.com) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06471; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:58:14 -0800 (PST) From: Mostyn Lewis Received: (from mrl@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA25422; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:58:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803130258.SAA25422@user2.teleport.com> Subject: Re: DMM Fireport SCSI controllers To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:58:13 -0800 (PST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803130004.QAA21030@george.arc.nasa.gov> from "Hugh LaMaster" at Mar 12, 98 04:04:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > Are these supported? I didn't see them on the hw compatibility list, > > > but I seem to remember someone mentioning them on -hackers or -current. > > > > Yes, I have successfully used both a Fireport 40 and a dual > > Fireport 40. The dual one may depend on your motherboard a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Which motherboard(s) did you use it on successfully? The Dual worked on : 1. ASUS P/I-P55T2P4 rev 3.1, BIOS #205. Bus at 75Mhz. 2. Abit AB-IT5H, Rev 1.5, BIOS #2A59FA1E. Bus ar 66MHz. Probe messages: ncr0 rev 20 int a irq 10 on pci0:12:0 ncr1 rev 20 int a irq 10 on pci0:12:1 It's a 53c876 chip. Look for 53c876ds.pdf on the symbios site. Symbios does not use the word bridge in the datasheet. They say: "True multi-function device as defined in PCI 2.1 specification - presents only one load to the PCI bus. Connects directly to the PCI bus without external logic. Functions as one 32 bit PCI DMA Bus Master. Supports 33 MHz PCI Bus zero wait state operation. Supports maximum burst transfer rate of 132 MB/s. Supports shared or separate interrupts on the PCI bus for maximum flexibility. PCI Subsystem Vendor ID and Subsystem ID support with 2-wire serial EEPROM port on each channel. Supports PCI extended access cycles. Supports 3.3Vand %V PCI interface." It can get 16-17 Megabytes/second write rate to a 10,200 rpm IBM DGVS09U disk, writing ~300 Megabytes. Tags are on. > > > little more. Also, I used the latest "demo" BIOS from DMM > > for both. > > You don't happen to know if the dual Fireport 40 looks like > it is bridged or not? > > I guess some dual-ported controllers appear to be PCI-bridged, > while, others appear not to be -- ? (e.g. Adaptec 3940AUW or > whatever it is). Rumor has it that it is better not to be > bridged... > > Regards, > Hugh LaMaster > > -- > Hugh LaMaster, M/S 233-21, ASCII Email: hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov > NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov > Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 > Phone: 650/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal *opinion*. > Mostyn Lewis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 13 17:43:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01987 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:43:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01884 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:43:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22519; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:43:22 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803140143.WAA22519@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Videoconferencing question In-Reply-To: <9803111738.ZM-178175@161.14.168.22> from "Ross Potts, CON, EDS/D-SIDDOMS" at "Mar 11, 98 05:38:01 pm" To: rpotts@med.osd.mil (Ross Potts CON EDS/D-SIDDOMS) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:43:22 -0300 (EST) Cc: FreeBSD-Hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Ross Potts, CON, EDS/D-SIDDOMS) // What equipment would I need for videoconferencing? Would it benecessary to get // a videocapture card, or is there a PC camera(eggcam, etc.) that is compatible // with both FreeBSD and win95? Does FreeBSD have drivers for the major vendors? // // My major concern is the video part. Take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/~ahasty/Bt848.html Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 14 00:53:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA04965 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:53:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (root@mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA04880 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:52:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvanloon@MindBender.serv.net) From: mvanloon@MindBender.serv.net Received: from lobotomy.HeadCandy.com (Lobotomy.HeadCandy.com [198.232.197.130]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25734; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by Lobotomy.HeadCandy.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:52:58 -0800 Message-ID: <226EB39D3C91D111B2F900A0C90543832998@Lobotomy.HeadCandy.com> To: dg@root.com, splite@purdue.edu Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: quiet 7200rpm disk recommendations? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:52:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I bought an (Quantum) Atlas II 2GB Ultra-Wide a couple months ago. Let me state for the record that it is a seriously kick-ass drive. I'm talking 11MB/s sustained transfers on a newly formatted filesystem (NetBSD 1.3). Of course, I was probably on the outer tracks, but I was still impressed... And, it's pretty quiet, too. :-) Quieter than the older Atlas 1, and the older Barracuda in the same machine. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Greenman [SMTP:dg@root.com] > Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 10:04 AM > > >Can anyone recommend a relatively quiet 2-4GB 7200RPM Ultra-SCSI > disk, > >suitable for office desktop use? I replaced a Barracuda 2LP (which > squeals > >like a pig on a dental drill) with an old 4GB Atlas (which sounds > like a > >blender full of gravel when it seeks), but I'd like something a bit > faster and > >quieter. > > The Atlas-II is fairly quiet; it doesn't make any squealing noises > and > isn't as loud at seeking compared to the Atlas. I wouldn't say that it > was anywhere near silent, however. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 16 06:39:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24164 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:39:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24148 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:39:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id JAA08976 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:36:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:39:00 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just got a wild idea to approach a couple of local places for doing CD archiving of their records, like the local courthouse, and wondered what CD-R (SCSI) seems to be the most popular with FreeBSD and the best. And what scanner would be recommended? The CD-R part I know people are using, the scanner seems to be a bit trickier. It looks to me that it's going to be XV with HP scanner support. Any opinions on a really good CD-R/Scanner combo for freebsd would be really appreciated. Thanks, Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.5 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 16 13:28:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29567 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:28:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29538 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:28:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id OAA10861; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:25:12 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:25:12 -0700 (MST) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199803162125.OAA10861@narnia.plutotech.com> To: Open Systems Networking cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-Reply-To: User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I just got a wild idea to approach a couple of local places for doing CD > archiving of their records, like the local courthouse, and wondered what > CD-R (SCSI) seems to be the most popular with FreeBSD and the best. > And what scanner would be recommended? Be aware that CD-R media is extremely fragile. I would not consider it for long term archival purposes. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 16 21:27:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25163 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:27:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from u2.farm.idt.net (root@u2.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25157 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:27:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garycorc@idt.net) Received: from idt.net (ppp-23.ts-1.mlb.idt.net [169.132.71.23]) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA06203 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:26:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <350E08D4.51CD5568@idt.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:23:32 -0500 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? References: <199803162125.OAA10861@narnia.plutotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > Be aware that CD-R media is extremely fragile. I would not consider it > for long term archival purposes. Could you explain a little? I thought some manufacturers were _claiming_ that their recorded disks would last 100 years! ? Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 04:56:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06382 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:56:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from usgcc.odu.edu (tortola.usgcc.odu.edu [128.82.234.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06349; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@usgcc.odu.edu) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by usgcc.odu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA11832; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:04:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:04:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Timothy M. Hughes" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RealTek RTL 8129 PCI Fast Ethernet Card Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone got one of these things to work yet?? I mailed questions@freebsd.org and got a response that it was "probably" a proprietary driver. If you have a driver or have gotten it to work, please email me directly (I dont subscibe). Any help is appreciated. Thanks Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 05:03:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07916 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:03:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA07896; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:03:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA02316; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:03:32 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07995; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:03:26 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980317140326.46869@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:03:26 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Timothy M. Hughes" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealTek RTL 8129 PCI Fast Ethernet Card References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Timothy M. Hughes on Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 08:04:15AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 08:04:15AM -0500, Timothy M. Hughes wrote: > Has anyone got one of these things to work yet?? I mailed > questions@freebsd.org and got a response that it was "probably" a > proprietary driver. If you have a driver or have gotten it to work, > please email me directly (I dont subscibe). RealTek is fairly good at supporting free OSes (even sometimes writing drivers themselves). I don't think you should have a problem getting info from them, but it is probably correct that it is a properitary chip (probably with an almost complete clone of the interface of a popular chipset, so making drivers work should be easy). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 05:27:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11849 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:27:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA11841 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:27:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id IAA13501; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:24:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:27:39 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: "Gary T. Corcoran" cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-Reply-To: <350E08D4.51CD5568@idt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > > Be aware that CD-R media is extremely fragile. I would not consider it > > for long term archival purposes. > > Could you explain a little? I thought some manufacturers were _claiming_ > that their recorded disks would last 100 years! ? I'm not sure exactly what part of CD-R technology justin is referring to, but I can say now from experimenting with CD-R's. This HAS to be some kind of MS scam! The CD-R media itself is about as reliable as using a paper hat to protect yourself from sustaining a direct hit from a mile wide asteroid. I have lost 50% of my CD-R discs during burning sessions because they were defective. That is pretty high. So I dont think I'll be using CD-R, maybe something more reliable, like punch cards :) Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.5 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 05:37:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13273 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:37:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA13268 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:37:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id GAA01519; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:33:38 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:33:38 -0700 (MST) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199803171333.GAA01519@narnia.plutotech.com> To: "Gary T. Corcoran" cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: <199803162125.OAA10861@narnia.plutotech.com> <350E08D4.51CD5568@idt.net> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <350E08D4.51CD5568@idt.net> you wrote: > Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >> Be aware that CD-R media is extremely fragile. I would not consider it >> for long term archival purposes. > > Could you explain a little? I thought some manufacturers were _claiming_ > that their recorded disks would last 100 years! ? The gold foil of most CD-Rs is un-protected by a layer of plastic. Catch the disc on the lid of it's case or something else and you've just trashed it. > Gary -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 05:45:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14803 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:45:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-115-231.la.inreach.net [206.18.115.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA14797 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:45:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA01987; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:48:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:48:11 -0800 (PST) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: "Timothy M. Hughes" Subject: RE: RealTek RTL 8129 PCI Fast Ethernet Card Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My secret spy satellite informs me that on 17-Mar-98, Timothy M. Hughes wrote: [ Cc: list trimmed; please try not to cross-post. -hardware is the most appropriate. ] > Has anyone got one of these things to work yet?? I mailed > questions@freebsd.org and got a response that it was "probably" a > proprietary driver. If you have a driver or have gotten it to work, > please email me directly (I dont subscibe). Are you sure it is really an "8129"? I have a RealTek 8029 (note the zero), which works perfectly (it is a NE-2000 clone, and uses the "ed" driver). - --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNQ5/GvjpixuAwagxAQF3GwQAjdxzK7wnEuHU1Q6kYVxOd5BaEcbHWWY/ aJWBTFgxPudKY4SjlNtjFWFP/ymNc/rdSoQyHbRAA9CmvXFJUs9kTldSRSovfwWf K5I1Jk4AhoD9Shg6dTnPZKdW44acaqI7SAew2PiFAAmtJ6M64SMYy0akBr5v4Q8N a4D47y3BI+g= =vCyO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 05:50:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15147 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:50:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk ([195.78.64.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15141 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:50:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01373; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:49:26 +0100 (CET) To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: "Gary T. Corcoran" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:33:38 MST." <199803171333.GAA01519@narnia.plutotech.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:49:25 +0100 Message-ID: <1371.890142565@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199803171333.GAA01519@narnia.plutotech.com>, "Justin T. Gibbs" writ es: >In article <350E08D4.51CD5568@idt.net> you wrote: >> Justin T. Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Be aware that CD-R media is extremely fragile. I would not consider it >>> for long term archival purposes. >> >> Could you explain a little? I thought some manufacturers were _claiming_ >> that their recorded disks would last 100 years! ? Kodak promises "eternal life" which a footnote explains is 30 years. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "Drink MONO-tonic, it goes down but it will NEVER come back up!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 07:31:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02034 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arg1.demon.co.uk (arg1.demon.co.uk [194.222.34.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01925; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:31:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Received: (from arg@localhost) by arg1.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15378; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:31:20 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:31:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Gordon X-Sender: arg@server.arg.sj.co.uk To: Eivind Eklund cc: "Timothy M. Hughes" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealTek RTL 8129 PCI Fast Ethernet Card In-Reply-To: <19980317140326.46869@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 08:04:15AM -0500, Timothy M. Hughes wrote: > > Has anyone got one of these things to work yet?? I mailed > > questions@freebsd.org and got a response that it was "probably" a > > proprietary driver. If you have a driver or have gotten it to work, > > please email me directly (I dont subscibe). > > RealTek is fairly good at supporting free OSes (even sometimes writing > drivers themselves). > > I don't think you should have a problem getting info from them, but it > is probably correct that it is a properitary chip (probably with an > almost complete clone of the interface of a popular chipset, so making > drivers work should be easy). Unlike the 8019/8029 (which are NE2000 clones), the 8129/8139 appear to be their own design and not compatible with anything else. However, datasheets that look complete enough to write a driver are available on their website (www.realtek.com.tw), and there also exists a Linux driver to crib from (see http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/misc/100mbs.html ) [Sorry if you see two copies of this - I think I killed the one with an incorrect URL, but it may have escaped] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 08:18:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13751 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:18:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from persprog.com (root@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13542 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:17:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@persprog.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id KAA21132; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:27:43 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma021128; Tue Mar 17 10:27:38 1998 Message-ID: <350E9614.A0146556@persprog.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:26:12 -0500 From: "David W. Alderman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Open Systems Networking CC: "Gary T. Corcoran" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You may be using crappy media or have a problem with your setup. Out of about 40CD-R's I have made so far, only one turned out to be defective, and that was the first one I made. Please note that while I am mastering a CD, I do nothing else with that computer. Maybe it's that "make world" you keep running in the background ;-) I have a Philips 2x6x2 CD-RW and it seems to work great for me. Under Windoze, beware of screen blankers. OPEN-GL is not the best thing to run while mastering a CD! Adaptec CD Creator is actually a decent program and their CD-copier works OK. Note: I apologize for mentioning products that work with the Evil Empire OS. Those that know me would be shocked as well. One final note: I have had problems with specific model of Plextor (yes, Plextor!) 12x SCSI cdroms when trying to read "gold" media. They seem to like "blue" media better. These units came in Gateway computers and I think maybe they were specially modified to be crappy as hell! The generic IDE drives we have at work seem much better than these units. Please don't write off CD-R's. A lot of us out here are having excellent results with them. May you never make a coaster again! Open Systems Networking wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > > > Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > > > > Be aware that CD-R media is extremely fragile. I would not consider it > > > for long term archival purposes. > > > > Could you explain a little? I thought some manufacturers were _claiming_ > > that their recorded disks would last 100 years! ? > > I'm not sure exactly what part of CD-R technology justin is referring to, > but I can say now from experimenting with CD-R's. This HAS to be some kind > of MS scam! The CD-R media itself is about as reliable as using a paper > hat to protect yourself from sustaining a direct hit from a mile wide > asteroid. I have lost 50% of my CD-R discs during burning sessions because > they were defective. That is pretty high. So I dont think I'll be using > CD-R, maybe something more reliable, like punch cards :) > Dave Alderman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 08:30:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15690 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:30:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from enigami.com (enigami.com [208.140.182.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15679 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:30:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ckempf@enigami.com) Received: from [208.140.182.45] (symphony.enigami.com [208.140.182.45]) by enigami.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA19684; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:24:55 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: ckempfm@enigami.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803171333.GAA01519@narnia.plutotech.com> References: <199803162125.OAA10861@narnia.plutotech.com> <350E08D4.51CD5568@idt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:23:33 -0500 To: "Justin T. Gibbs" , "Gary T. Corcoran" From: Cory Kempf Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:33 -0500 98.03.17, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: >The gold foil of most CD-Rs is un-protected by a layer of plastic. >Catch the disc on the lid of it's case or something else and you've >just trashed it. Put a label on the disk to protect the foil? +C -- Thinking of purchasing RAM from the Chip Merchant? Please read this first: Cory Kempf Macintosh / Unix Consulting & Software Development ckempf@enigami.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 08:34:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16559 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:34:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from persprog.com (root@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16509 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:34:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@persprog.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id KAA22305; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:52:25 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma022300; Tue Mar 17 10:52:02 1998 Message-ID: <350E9BCC.AD7647EF@persprog.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:50:36 -0500 From: "David W. Alderman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp CC: "Justin T. Gibbs" , "Gary T. Corcoran" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? References: <1371.890142565@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <199803171333.GAA01519@narnia.plutotech.com>, "Justin T. Gibbs" writ > es: > >In article <350E08D4.51CD5568@idt.net> you wrote: > >> Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >> > >>> Be aware that CD-R media is extremely fragile. I would not consider it > >>> for long term archival purposes. > >> > >> Could you explain a little? I thought some manufacturers were _claiming_ > >> that their recorded disks would last 100 years! ? > > Kodak promises "eternal life" which a footnote explains is 30 years. > Kodak discs definitely coat the laquer side with something you can write on. So does Verbatim and Ricoh. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 08:44:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20992 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:44:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com [205.134.253.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20841 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:43:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@mail.codegen.com) Received: from [192.168.100.101] (ppp-atmp03--112.sirius.net [207.44.198.112]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id IAA11589; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:40:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803171640.IAA11589@mail3.sirius.com> Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:41:09 -0800 x-sender: parag@mail.codegen.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Parag Patel To: "Open Systems Networking" , "Gary T. Corcoran" cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3/17/98 5:27 AM, Open Systems Networking (opsys@mail.webspan.net) said: >I have lost 50% of my CD-R discs during burning sessions because >they were defective. That is pretty high. So I dont think I'll be using >CD-R, maybe something more reliable, like punch cards :) Here's some info from a friend of mine who did some research into CD-Rs. Basically, there are (at least?) three slightly different technologies used for making the blanks - I assume three slightly different chemical/physical layouts. There's no tell which which brand uses what and doubtless they change formulas at the drop of a hat to save some pennies. You can look at the blanks and tell - they're slightly different shades of color. Anyway, my friend went through a bunch of different brands of CD-Rs and had most of the problems you had - the cheap CD-R blanks just aren't reliable. He also found that some CD-R brands just won't work in some CD-R drives. The Sony CD-R drives had no trouble burning anything nor did the Phillips (I think), but he had trouble with most other CD-R drives. However, some brands of CD-R blanks worked reliably in all CD-R drives. These include Sony, TDK, and I seem to remember Verbatim. There may be others. Of the known working brands, I've found the TDKs to be the cheapest and so have stuck with them. The only CD-R I've ever screwed up was my fault - I tried to put an image on it that was too big when experimenting with cdrecord. It warned me but but I just ignored it - if it's just a warning it can't be very important, right? I have also found that some older CD-ROM drives (read-only) will not reliably read CD-R, specifically my old Apple 4X CD-ROM on my Mac. I still haven't upgraded it as I can use the CD-R drive itself to read them when necessary. Newer 4X Apple drives with updated firmware work just fine, so it's basically just my luck to have lemon firmware. -- Parag Patel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 12:46:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06679 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:46:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06631; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:46:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gabor@acm.org) Received: from [144.92.209.37] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id OAA31720 (8.8.6/50); Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:46:18 -0600 Message-ID: <350EE1B8.41C67EA6@acm.org> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:48:56 -0600 From: Gabor Kincses X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Thinkpad and ppbus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to get my parallel port ZIP drive working with the new ppbus driver set, but I'm stuck. Here's the relevant portion of dmesg: ppc0 at 0x3bc irq 7 flags 0x4 on isa ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in EPP mode (EPP 1.9) ppi0: on ppbus 0 plip0: on ppbus 0 nlpt0: on ppbus 0 nlpt0: Interrupt-driven port vpo0: on ppbus 0 vpo0 waiting for scsi devices to settle npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Could an increased timeout value be necessary for this box (755CX, fall 1995)? Also, after the vpo lines show up, the console goes blank, until switching to ttyv1 and back to ttyv0. Then the background is bright red. I also had to hack syscons.h to a 37x100 console. -- Gabor Kincses (gabor@acm.org) FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE (early March) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 13:14:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18328 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:14:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp2.xs4all.nl (smtp2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18157 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:13:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from schofiel@xs4all.nl) Received: from diamond.xs4all.nl (enterprise.xs4all.nl [194.109.14.215]) by smtp2.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA17771 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:13:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <350EE7DC.78D6@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:15:08 +0100 From: Rob Schofield Reply-To: schofiel@xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? References: <199803171640.IAA11589@mail3.sirius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Comments: A significant number of "failures" in CD-R media are primarily due to operator problems (read the book!) If you mix IDE & SCSI read and write drives, you're GONNA have problems, so stick to SCSI & SCSI, IDE & IDE. The system basically should not be doing ANYTHING other than swap, so knock out EVERYTHING before you start. You need to have SIGNIFICANTLY more buffer space than is recommended (2-3X), and you are far better building an image on a hard disk rather than copy CD-CD. A bucket load of unecessarily free RAM helps too. Hard disks really need to to be in large block mode, or multi-sector; 7,200 RPM drives seem to be almost obligatory. DISABLE read cache on SCSI drives. Adjacent SCSI IDs are a good idea for the two drives involved in the read and write, with the Write drive at SCSI ID 6 (highest bus negotiation priority). It would not be possible to produce blanks without a conformal passivating layer below the foil coating; since it is vapour deposited gold with only a few microns thickness, this would simply rub off in your hand when you picked it up out of the jewel case (due to body fats and acids, and no, 10 um of gold is NOT sufficiently resistant to acid of any kind - think about the layer UNDER the pourous vapour deposit layer!) The quality of the lasers in many write drives is currently suspect; additionally, laser diodes do not take kindly to poorly-smoothed switched mode power supplies which are heavily loaded (as is typical in cheapo, 200W tower boxes). Reduce the number of cards in your box, and the number of drives. Alternatively, make sure you have a good power filter and a power supply of at least 320 W. What are you doing running a Pentium machine with under 300W, anyway? If anyone feels they have defective media, most of the reputable manufacturers offer some kind of replacement warranty; however, most of the time, there ISN'T anything wrong, so you'll probably be disappointed when yousend them back. Why, did you think the major manufacturers would risk their reputations by selling crap media? Ho ho Jolly Ho. If anyone has any "defective" CD-R blanks, then PLEASE send them to me, as I would find free disks to be a most attractive little perk! Sorry about the flame; this thread appears to be gaining mythical proportions, with a lot of hearsay entering reality as "fact". Please, ladies and gentlemen; do not attempt to accelerate the acceptance of myths. Research your facts properly before making unverifiable statements; also, bide your time and wait for the decent, second-generation WRITERS which is where the problem *really* lies. Rob Schofield M.Sc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 13:31:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24972 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:31:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24908 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:31:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id QAA27920; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:28:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:31:11 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Rob Schofield cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-Reply-To: <350EE7DC.78D6@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Rob Schofield wrote: > Comments: > > A significant number of "failures" in CD-R media are primarily due to > operator problems (read the book!) > > If you mix IDE & SCSI read and write drives, you're GONNA have problems, > so stick to SCSI & SCSI, IDE & IDE. > > The system basically should not be doing ANYTHING other than swap, so > knock out EVERYTHING before you start. > > You need to have SIGNIFICANTLY more buffer space than is recommended > (2-3X), and you are far better building an image on a hard disk rather > than copy CD-CD. A bucket load of unecessarily free RAM helps too. > > Hard disks really need to to be in large block mode, or multi-sector; > 7,200 RPM drives seem to be almost obligatory. DISABLE read cache on > SCSI drives. Adjacent SCSI IDs are a good idea for the two drives > involved in the read and write, with the Write drive at SCSI ID 6 > (highest bus negotiation priority). > > It would not be possible to produce blanks without a conformal > passivating layer below the foil coating; since it is vapour deposited > gold with only a few microns thickness, this would simply rub off in > your hand when you picked it up out of the jewel case (due to body fats > and acids, and no, 10 um of gold is NOT sufficiently resistant to acid > of any kind - think about the layer UNDER the pourous vapour deposit > layer!) > > The quality of the lasers in many write drives is currently suspect; > additionally, laser diodes do not take kindly to poorly-smoothed > switched mode power supplies which are heavily loaded (as is typical in > cheapo, 200W tower boxes). Reduce the number of cards in your box, and > the number of drives. Alternatively, make sure you have a good power > filter and a power supply of at least 320 W. What are you doing running > a Pentium machine with under 300W, anyway? > > If anyone feels they have defective media, most of the reputable > manufacturers offer some kind of replacement warranty; however, most of > the time, there ISN'T anything wrong, so you'll probably be > disappointed when yousend them back. Why, did you think the major > manufacturers would risk their reputations by selling crap media? Ho ho > Jolly Ho. > > If anyone has any "defective" CD-R blanks, then PLEASE send them to me, > as I would find free disks to be a most attractive little perk! > > Sorry about the flame; this thread appears to be gaining mythical > proportions, with a lot of hearsay entering reality as "fact". Please, > ladies and gentlemen; do not attempt to accelerate the acceptance of > myths. Research your facts properly before making unverifiable > statements; also, bide your time and wait for the decent, > second-generation WRITERS which is where the problem *really* lies. Rob, What you say above is probably true. But I think you have just backed up my 2nd post about using a more reliable media than CD-R like punchcards. I mean look at all the work involved in your steps above to do archiving. reliably :) It would be MUCH easier, and more reliable for me anyway to just grab a SCSI DAT drive and archive away. I dont mean to tear down your obvious love of CD-R, but your guidelines are like that of windows. You can run windows reliably! Just only run it on tuesdays, BUT you have to have a black cat ON the monitor, AND it has to be past sunset!! And some holy water never hurts :) I still say after my CD-R problems it's a better choice to just use a SCSI DAT tape drive. More storage, and will last far longer in my opinion than CD-R which is aparently quite finicky for more people than just myself. But as I said it's just my opinion! :) FLAME ON! Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." <---- True to my word! ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.5 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. 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Gibbs" Message-Id: <199803172204.PAA03130@narnia.plutotech.com> To: schofiel@xs4all.nl cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: <199803171640.IAA11589@mail3.sirius.com> <350EE7DC.78D6@xs4all.nl> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <350EE7DC.78D6@xs4all.nl> you wrote: > Comments: > .. > It would not be possible to produce blanks without a conformal > passivating layer below the foil coating; since it is vapour deposited > gold with only a few microns thickness, this would simply rub off in > your hand when you picked it up out of the jewel case (due to body fats > and acids, and no, 10 um of gold is NOT sufficiently resistant to acid > of any kind - think about the layer UNDER the pourous vapour deposit > layer!) Sure, but I have yet to see media that puts something protective against scratches on top of the foil. Take a key to the label side of a TDK CD-R. You don't even have to scratch hard. Oops. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 15:28:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25718 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:28:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA25711 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:28:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maddox@p-1.Eng.Sun.COM) Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1 [129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id PAA16148 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:28:04 -0800 Received: from taller.eng.sun.com (taller.Eng.Sun.COM [129.144.125.34]) by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) with SMTP id PAA08190 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:27:59 -0800 Received: from p-1.eng.sun.com by taller.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA21697; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:27:58 -0800 Received: from localhost by p-1.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA23340; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:19:22 -0800 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:19:22 -0800 (PST) From: William Maddox X-Sender: maddox@p-1 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Open Systems Networking wrote: > Rob, > > What you say above is probably true. But I think you have just backed up > my 2nd post about using a more reliable media than CD-R like punchcards. > I mean look at all the work involved in your steps above to do archiving. > reliably :) > It would be MUCH easier, and more reliable for me anyway to just grab a > SCSI DAT drive and archive away. I dont mean to tear down your obvious > love of CD-R, but your guidelines are like that of windows. You can run > windows reliably! Just only run it on tuesdays, BUT you have to have a > black cat ON the monitor, AND it has to be past sunset!! And some holy > water never hurts :) > > I still say after my CD-R problems it's a better choice to just use a SCSI > DAT tape drive. More storage, and will last far longer in my opinion than > CD-R which is aparently quite finicky for more people than just myself. Magnetic tape is *not* a satisfactory archival medium. Although I cannot report from personal experience, I believe that there is a consensus amongst storage professionals that CDR is a more stable medium than tape. In any case, I've seen enough horror stories on this mailing list in the past to convince me that tape is not a reliable archival medium. Leave a DDS or QIC tape on the shelf for a few years, and you will likely not be able to read it. CDR is not nearly as difficult as Rob makes it sound. Use a decent SCSI setup, always write from an image file with no other processes running, and use high-quality media. You don't need a 7200 RPM drive. Some older CDROM drives have problems reading CDR. This is understandable -- the optical properties of CDR are different than silver CDs, and drives designed before CDR was in widespread use were likely not designed for or tested for compatibility. Buy a new one. (My guess is that the automatic gain control used in a so-called "multi-read" CDROM drives to handle CD-RW media should also benefit CDR, which is somewhat less reflective than silver CDs, though not as much so as CD-RW. Anyone know for sure?) The objection raised earlier against CDR is that they are difficult to write successfully, or that they are easily damaged. Event granted that this is true, the most important question is "How stable is a successfully written, verified, and properly stored CDR over time?" I've seen archival lifespans quoted from between 30 and 100 years. What other medium would you suggest for 5 to 25 year storage? Another advantage of CDR worth considering is the popularity of the readers. It greatly increases your chances of maintaining your retrieval capability as your hardware ages and becomes obsolete. All of this aside, I question the wisdom of using *any* machine-readable medium for long-term archival documents such as court records. Archival paper properly cared for can last for centuries, while it is almost guaranteed that 20 or 30 years from now, any currently available technology will be so hopelessly obsolete that new readers will not be available. Even if you can scrounge up another antique to replace your own aging and broken reader, you might not be able to transfer the data to a more up-to-date medium. An example: I have two 9-track tapes from my student days at CMU, both about 15 years old. It would be a major effort for me now to track down a 9-track tape drive that I could use to transfer the data to a medium that I could use on a modern PC or workstation. It would not be worth buying such a drive, and most shops without legacy hardware or the need to interoperate with same would own one. --Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 16:08:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06698 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:08:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA06679 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:08:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id OAA12556; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:07:48 -1001 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:07:48 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199803180008.OAA12556@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: William Maddox "Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records?" (Mar 17, 3:19pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: William Maddox , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } An example: I have two 9-track tapes from my student days at CMU, both } about 15 years old. It would be a major effort for me now to track down } a 9-track tape drive that I could use to transfer the data to a medium } that I could use on a modern PC or workstation. It would not be worth } buying such a drive, and most shops without legacy hardware or the } need to interoperate with same would own one. } There is a large number of companies that will copy your 9-track tapes to a wide array of other media. Simple and reasonably priced. Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 17:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13507 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13499 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-121.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.121]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27000 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:09:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA19692 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:00:51 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803180100.TAA19692@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-reply-to: Message from "David W. Alderman" of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:50:36 EST." <350E9BCC.AD7647EF@persprog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:00:50 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "David W. Alderman" writes: > > Kodak discs definitely coat the laquer side with something you can write on. > So > does Verbatim > and Ricoh. We've used about 400 blue Verbatim's at work so coated. You have to be careful when writing on the coated side else you'll ruin the disk. Apparently the layer written by the CD-R is just under the top coating. Felt tip pens are OK. Anything sharp is sure to ruin the disk (I ruined the first bootable FreeBSD install disk I made, worked great before I wrote on it). It appears the top surface is more delicate than the bottom. Anyone have any advice about inkjet CD printers? Most appear to be modified Epson Stylus 600's and 800's. Any chance one works with Ghostscript? -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 17:32:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16931 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:32:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16849 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:32:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10101; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:02:02 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA09211; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:02:01 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980318120201.47709@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:02:01 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: David Kelly , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? References: <199803180100.TAA19692@nospam.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199803180100.TAA19692@nospam.hiwaay.net>; from David Kelly on Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 07:00:50PM -0600 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 March 1998 at 19:00:50 -0600, David Kelly wrote: > "David W. Alderman" writes: >> >> Kodak discs definitely coat the laquer side with something you can write on. >> So >> does Verbatim >> and Ricoh. > > We've used about 400 blue Verbatim's at work so coated. You have to be > careful when writing on the coated side else you'll ruin the disk. > Apparently the layer written by the CD-R is just under the top coating. Am I missing something here? People keep talking about writing on the coated side. Why would anybody want to do that? Surely you write on the other side? > Felt tip pens are OK. Anything sharp is sure to ruin the disk (I ruined > the first bootable FreeBSD install disk I made, worked great before I > wrote on it). It appears the top surface is more delicate than the > bottom. And I thought the bottom side was the coated side. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 17:45:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18238 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:45:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18227 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:44:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-121.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.121]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08060; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:44:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA20208; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:44:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803180144.TAA20208@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Greg Lehey cc: David Kelly , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-reply-to: Message from Greg Lehey of "Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:02:01 +1030." <19980318120201.47709@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:44:48 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey writes: > > Am I missing something here? People keep talking about writing on the > coated side. Why would anybody want to do that? Surely you write on > the other side? > > > Felt tip pens are OK. Anything sharp is sure to ruin the disk (I ruined > > the first bootable FreeBSD install disk I made, worked great before I > > wrote on it). It appears the top surface is more delicate than the > > bottom. > > And I thought the bottom side was the coated side. It appears the disks we're using start with a clear plastic disc, coat the material that gets "burned", then coat the "ink-write on" surface on top of that. The laser still shines thru the plastic which protects the "burned" layer from dirt and scratches. The thinest path thru to the burned layer is from the top. I've seen "gold" CD-R's which appear to have the burning layer sandwiched between plastic, just the way you expect a pressed silver CD. We don't use those because of widespread reports of high error rates in some readers, and in some writers. And blue Verbatim bulk disks were comarably priced. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 18:20:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22435 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (aca1-11.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.11] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22053; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:19:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (telmex@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA18376; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:17:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <350F3053.46225DB5@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:24:19 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabor Kincses CC: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Thinkpad and ppbus References: <350EE1B8.41C67EA6@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gabor Kincses wrote: > > I'm trying to get my parallel port ZIP drive working with the new ppbus > driver set, but I'm stuck. Here's the relevant portion of dmesg: > > ppc0 at 0x3bc irq 7 flags 0x4 on isa > ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in EPP mode (EPP 1.9) > ppi0: on ppbus 0 > plip0: on ppbus 0 > nlpt0: on ppbus 0 > nlpt0: Interrupt-driven port > vpo0: on ppbus 0 > vpo0 waiting for scsi devices to settle > npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > > Could an increased timeout value be necessary for this box (755CX, fall > 1995)? > > Also, after the vpo lines show up, the console goes blank, until > switching to ttyv1 and back to ttyv0. Then the background is bright > red. I also had to hack syscons.h to a 37x100 console. > > -- > Gabor Kincses > (gabor@acm.org) I don't see the reference to scbus0 something like scbus0 at vpo0 bus 0 or sd0 something like sd0 at scbus0 target 6 lun 0 sd0 type 0 removable SCSI 2 and a couple of other lines about the media. are scbus0 and sd0 in your kernel config file? controller scbus0 device sd0 in addition to controller ppbus0 controller ppc0 at isa? irq 7 vector ppcintr controller vpo0 at ppbus? device nlpt0 AT ppbus? that seem to be alright. Hope this helps. ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 17 22:19:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13554 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:19:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13547 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:19:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA01615; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:18:24 +0100 (CET) To: William Maddox cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:19:22 PST." Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:18:23 +0100 Message-ID: <1613.890201903@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message , William Maddox writes: > the most important question is "How stable is a >successfully written, verified, and properly stored CDR over time?" >I've seen archival lifespans quoted from between 30 and 100 years. >What other medium would you suggest for 5 to 25 year storage? Paper-tape, punched cards, barcode on microfilm ? :-) As for CDR living for 30 or 100 years, I'll belive that in 25 or 95 years respectively. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "Drink MONO-tonic, it goes down but it will NEVER come back up!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 01:07:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01094 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:07:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01089 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:07:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@mina.sr.hp.com) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com (srmail.sr.hp.com [15.4.45.14]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id BAA12786; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA042642042; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:07:23 -0800 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by mina.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA012672042; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:07:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199803180907.AA012672042@mina.sr.hp.com> To: Greg Lehey Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? Reply-To: darrylo@sr.hp.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:02:01 +1030." <19980318120201.47709@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:07:21 -0800 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tue, 17 March 1998 at 19:00:50 -0600, David Kelly wrote: > > > We've used about 400 blue Verbatim's at work so coated. You have to be > > careful when writing on the coated side else you'll ruin the disk. > > Apparently the layer written by the CD-R is just under the top coating. > > Am I missing something here? People keep talking about writing on the > coated side. Why would anybody want to do that? Surely you write on > the other side? I think everyone's getting confused with the terminology. You can write with a soft felt-tip pen on the top side of the disk -- the side that typically has the silk-screened (?) labels. As David wrote, you definitely do not want to use a hard-tip pen (such as a ballpoint) or a pencil. The top-side is very thin, and the data layer is easily damaged by pressure from any hard-tipped writing instrument. If you want to see something "scary", take a bad disk (or a CD that you don't mind losing), and lightly press your fingernail on the top side (the side with the label). Now, look at the bottom side, where your fingernail is lightly pressing from the other side. You'll see an extremely small "dot" where your fingernail is pressing against the disk; this is where the pressure is deforming the data layer. Move your finger around, and you'll see the "dot" move. If you press lightly, you probably won't damage the disk; if you press too hard, you'll do the same kind of damage that an hard-tipped instrument will do. It's amazing how little pressure can deform the data layer. This is also true of the stamped, mass-produced, aluminium CDs (such as compact audio disks). The silver CDs are just as susceptible to damage as the write-once or rewritable CDs. Still, for archival purposes, I'll trust a write-once CD made by a reputable manufacturer over tape, any day. However, the only real problem with CDRs is the low capacity (650MB). Yes, the writable DVD drives are supposed to fix this, but I'll believe that when the manufacturers deliver. If people are interested in more info, see: http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/FAQ.html In particular, see these for media life info: http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/FAQ07.html#[7-5] http://www.nml.org/Publications/TechnicalReports/MediaStability/DoculabsCDRCompatability/index.html -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 01:29:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03623 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:29:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03589 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@mina.sr.hp.com) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com (srmail.sr.hp.com [15.4.45.14]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id BAA19986 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA050733337; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:28:58 -0800 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by mina.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA014003337; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:28:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199803180928.AA014003337@mina.sr.hp.com> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? Reply-To: darrylo@sr.hp.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:15:08 +0100." <350EE7DC.78D6@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:28:56 -0800 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rob Schofield wrote: > The system basically should not be doing ANYTHING other than swap, so > knock out EVERYTHING before you start. > > You need to have SIGNIFICANTLY more buffer space than is recommended > (2-3X), and you are far better building an image on a hard disk rather > than copy CD-CD. A bucket load of unecessarily free RAM helps too. > > Hard disks really need to to be in large block mode, or multi-sector; > 7,200 RPM drives seem to be almost obligatory. DISABLE read cache on > SCSI drives. Adjacent SCSI IDs are a good idea for the two drives > involved in the read and write, with the Write drive at SCSI ID 6 > (highest bus negotiation priority). While these recommendations don't hurt, they're not always necessary. Joerg Wunsch (joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de) has put a lot of work into getting CDRs working well with FreeBSD. A few months back, he mentioned to me that he's burning CDROMs on a system that runs X11 and is being used as his company's lpd filter, running ghostscript rendering jobs. He did need 32MB RAM, though. I occasionally burn CDROMs on an ancient 16MB 386 (25MHz). It's running FreeBSD 2.2-960612-SNAP (yeah, it works, and so I'm too lazy to upgrade it). It's also using as ISA-based 1542C SCSI controller (slow) with a slow hard disk. I only have problems with it if I try to burn more than 2-3 CDRs in a row (the old drive that I'm using appears to overheat and the burn fails). [ The old drive I'm using (an HP4020i, which is, I believe, a renamed Phillips drive) is only rated to 85deg.F. Yes, that's not a typo -- that's eighty-five degrees Fahrenheit. ;-( ] You don't need the latest high-performance hardware to burn CDROMs, although it does help to have a decent burner ;-). -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 05:00:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28228 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:00:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp2.xs4all.nl (smtp2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA28220 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:00:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from schofiel@xs4all.nl) Received: from diamond.xs4all.nl (enterprise.xs4all.nl [194.109.14.215]) by smtp2.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26637 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:00:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <350FC5B5.55B1@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:01:41 +0100 From: Rob Schofield Reply-To: schofiel@xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Open Systems Networking wrote: > Rob, > > What you say above is probably true. But I think you have just backed up > my 2nd post about using a more reliable media than CD-R like punchcards. Sorry, I think I missed that! > I mean look at all the work involved in your steps above to do archiving. > reliably :) {8^D > It would be MUCH easier, and more reliable for me anyway to just grab a > SCSI DAT drive and archive away. Currently the best, most economical choice in my opinion. > I dont mean to tear down your obvious > love of CD-R, but your guidelines are like that of windows. You can run > windows reliably! Just only run it on tuesdays, BUT you have to have a > black cat ON the monitor, AND it has to be past sunset!! And some holy > water never hurts :) {8^D Well said! Naw, to be honest, I hate the damn things. They are just another way for people to break copyright without breaking into a sweat {8^( I wouldn't recommend them for either archive or backup. The cost is too high compared to other media forms. Plus, they really aren't suited to bulk storage - have you tried stacking the damn cases (which you DO need, unfortunately)? Considering You can only stash 4 X 640M in a volume equivalent to a box of 20, 4G DAT tapes, I think that says it all! Reality is, they are only useful for prototyping program delivery packages, etc. before you go to bulk production of the final distribution media. > I still say after my CD-R problems it's a better choice to just use a SCSI > DAT tape drive. More storage, and will last far longer in my opinion than > CD-R which is aparently quite finicky for more people than just myself. The problem is the power reaching the drives, which has to be hyper-smooth (have you ever seen the current spike on a 5V line caused by a modern disk performing a long cross-disk seek? Think of Everest/Buzz saw, you're along the right lines) and the production tolerances for the laser focussing; to deliver enough energy to the disk surface with a cheapo diode, it has to be pretty tightly focussed, which means the "spot size" is a bit titchy compared to the etched pits seen on press-mastered bulk CD ROM media. Readers like big, fat spots whizzing past to give 'em time to focus (or get their bifocals back on {8^). Net results? "Disk not readable" or some such..... > But as I said it's just my opinion! :) ... and genteely welcome to it! Nice one, Chris ;^) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 06:42:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20768 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:42:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skyserv.med.osd.mil (skyserv.med.osd.mil [199.209.8.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA20623 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:41:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpotts@med.osd.mil) Received: from 161.14.168.22 (ae1970.med.osd.mil [161.14.168.22]) by skyserv.med.osd.mil (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id JAA28866 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:41:44 -0500 From: "Ross Potts, CON, EDS/D-SIDDOMS" Message-Id: <9803180940.ZM-250013@161.14.168.22> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:40:44 -0800 X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Compatibilities Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a Motorola ModemSURFR 336. This card has a jumper that allows me to enable or disable PnP, plus jumpers for setting COM 1-4. Has anyone had pleasant experience with this piece of shi@*&#@#(OOPS, I mean piece of hardware)? I bought it to replace a jumperless Compaq card. Internal hardware is not my strong suit. Here is my configuration( minus the modem): Compaq Presario(What a phreakin' mistake!) P133 16 MB, 1 free parallel, 1 free serial, 1.6 Gig HD, PS/2 Mouse FBSD 2.2.5-Release(I stripped the default kernel down of all but the syscons and psm0 conflict, which is allowed), then enabled all the serials to see if they could be found. Didn't work. I got a borrowed external modem to work off the serial. Am I wasting my time with this? I know the easy way out is to buy an external. -- Potts, Ross A. Internet : Ross.Potts@med.osd.mil EDS-D/SIDDOMS Phone : (703) 824-7601 Skyline Two, Suite 1200 Beeper : (888) 687-2709 5113 Leesburg Pike, FAX : (703) 824-4155 Falls Church, VA 22041 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 07:47:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00456 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from EDISWITCH2.uninet.net.mx (EDISWITCH2.uninet.net.mx [200.33.150.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00426 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:47:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (aca1-6.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.6] (may be forged)) by EDISWITCH2.uninet.net.mx (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13033; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:39:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <350FED7F.16B98F1B@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:51:49 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ross Potts, CON, EDS/D-SIDDOMS" CC: FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compatibilities References: <9803180940.ZM-250013@161.14.168.22> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ross Potts, CON, EDS/D-SIDDOMS wrote: > > I have a Motorola ModemSURFR 336. This card has a jumper that allows me to > enable or disable PnP, plus jumpers for setting COM 1-4. Has anyone had > pleasant experience with this piece of shi@*&#@#(OOPS, I mean piece of > hardware)? I bought it to replace a jumperless Compaq card. Internal hardware > is not my strong suit. > > Here is my configuration( minus the modem): > > Compaq Presario(What a phreakin' mistake!) > P133 16 MB, 1 free parallel, 1 free serial, 1.6 Gig HD, PS/2 Mouse > FBSD 2.2.5-Release(I stripped the default kernel down of all but the syscons and > psm0 conflict, which is allowed), then enabled all the serials to see if they > could be found. Didn't work. > > I got a borrowed external modem to work off the serial. > > Am I wasting my time with this? I know the easy way out is to buy an external. > I just configured a noname internal modem as com3/sio2 with jumpers at 0x3e8 irq 11 and it works fine and leaves me with com1/sio0 for my mouse and com2/sio1 free :-) Maybe I was lucky because this piece of #@!"hardware" had jumpers, if it hadn't who knows? ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 08:48:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08058 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:48:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08033; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:48:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gabor@acm.org) Received: from [144.92.183.203] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id KAA10128 (8.8.6/50); Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:48:15 -0600 Message-ID: <350FFB6D.41C67EA6@acm.org> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:50:53 -0600 From: Gabor Kincses X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edwin Culp CC: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Thinkpad and ppbus References: <350EE1B8.41C67EA6@acm.org> <350F3053.46225DB5@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Edwin Culp wrote: > > Gabor Kincses wrote: > > > > I'm trying to get my parallel port ZIP drive working with the new ppbus > > driver set, but I'm stuck. Here's the relevant portion of dmesg: > > > > ppc0 at 0x3bc irq 7 flags 0x4 on isa > > ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in EPP mode (EPP 1.9) > > ppi0: on ppbus 0 > > plip0: on ppbus 0 > > nlpt0: on ppbus 0 > > nlpt0: Interrupt-driven port > > vpo0: on ppbus 0 > > vpo0 waiting for scsi devices to settle > > npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard > > npx0: INT 16 interface > > > > Could an increased timeout value be necessary for this box (755CX, fall > > 1995)? > > > > Also, after the vpo lines show up, the console goes blank, until > > switching to ttyv1 and back to ttyv0. Then the background is bright > > red. I also had to hack syscons.h to a 37x100 console. > > > > -- > > Gabor Kincses > > (gabor@acm.org) > I don't see the reference to scbus0 something like > > scbus0 at vpo0 bus 0 That is what I was expecting also. But I only get "vpo0 waiting for scsi devices to settle". Then the screen goes blank until a console switch. > > or sd0 something like > > sd0 at scbus0 target 6 lun 0 > sd0 type 0 removable SCSI 2 > > and a couple of other lines about the media. > > are scbus0 and sd0 in your kernel config file? > > controller scbus0 > device sd0 > > in addition to > > controller ppbus0 > controller ppc0 at isa? irq 7 vector ppcintr > controller vpo0 at ppbus? > device nlpt0 AT ppbus? > Unfortunately, I have all that. Thanks, -- Gabor Kincses (gabor@acm.org) FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 10:02:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22185 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:02:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from EDISWITCH2.uninet.net.mx (EDISWITCH2.uninet.net.mx [200.33.150.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21895; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:00:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (aca1-6.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.6] (may be forged)) by EDISWITCH2.uninet.net.mx (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02111; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:53:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <35100D0E.2EC25C80@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:06:06 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabor Kincses CC: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Thinkpad and ppbus References: <350EE1B8.41C67EA6@acm.org> <350F3053.46225DB5@ver1.telmex.net.mx> <350FFB6D.41C67EA6@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gabor Kincses wrote: > > Edwin Culp wrote: > > > > Gabor Kincses wrote: > > > > > > I'm trying to get my parallel port ZIP drive working with the new ppbus > > > driver set, but I'm stuck. Here's the relevant portion of dmesg: > > > > > > ppc0 at 0x3bc irq 7 flags 0x4 on isa The only difference that I can see is the 0x4 flag and the address on ppc0. Here is my config, just in case there is a difference, but it seems the problem is somewhere else. Sorry ed controller scbus0 device sd0 controller ppbus0 controller ppc0 at isa? port ? irq 7 vector ppcintr controller vpo0 at ppbus? device nlpt0 at ppbus? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 10:28:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27674 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:28:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.wavefront.com (daemon@ns.wavefront.com [204.73.244.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA27660 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:28:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ocean@wavefront.com) Received: by mail.wavefront.com (8.6.10/SMI-4.1.R931202) id MAA14310; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:30:42 -0600 Received: from UNKNOWN(204.73.244.214), claiming to be "wavefront.com" via SMTP by ns.wavefront.com, id smtpdAAAa14288; Wed Mar 18 18:30:34 1998 Message-ID: <35101227.A1274725@wavefront.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:27:51 -0600 From: Michael Porter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: schofiel@xs4all.nl CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? References: <350FC5B5.55B1@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The problem is the power reaching the drives, which has to be > hyper-smooth (have you ever seen the current spike on a 5V line caused > by a modern disk performing a long cross-disk seek? Think of > Everest/Buzz saw, you're along the right lines) Hmmm...Wouldn't a nice sized capacitor work well here? When I get another computer I'm going to link the P/Ss together with caps(P/S=power supply, and cap=capacitor in case you didn't know). That'll give me insurance from these things blowing out too. Since the computer will be controlling my house (when I build it starting next year :) I can't have that computer go off! I would think a couple of large caps would get rid of any transient problem (well, there is another kind of transient problem, but that's not in this discussion ;) As for the size of capacitors--come on, when was the last time the cover was on your computer?? Unless you're in a business environment, forget the cover, you'll often get better air circulation (not always) and it's easier to mess with the stuff. ( like overclocking and checking your CPU temp with your finger--come on, who's got $20 to blow on a little thermometer? I just spent $300 on my CD-R which I can't use yet because I didn't realize that FBSD doesn't support IDE CD-R yet and I don't have WinSloth95 which the drivers are for) By the way, Is anyone working of IDE CD-R support? I'll lend my drive for a couple of weeks if someone needs it. Thanks for listening to be babble, Michael Porter ocean@wavefront.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 10:36:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29678 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:36:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from grayling.erg.sri.com (grayling.erg.sri.com [128.18.4.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29665; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:36:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from templin@erg.sri.com) Received: by grayling.erg.sri.com (8.6.12/2.7davy) id KAA02717; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:37:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199803181837.KAA02717@grayling.erg.sri.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:37:23 -0800 From: "Fred L. Templin" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: templin@erg.sri.com Subject: L2 cache problems (??) on ThinkPad 560E Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm trying to debug a problem with a device driver I wrote for the Netwave PCMCIA radio networking card on an IBM ThinkPad 560E. The Netwave card is configured as both a memory and I/O mapped card (i.e. 33KB of control store on the card are memory-mapped into ISA bus memory space, and a block of registers on the card are mapped into ISA I/O port space.) The card and driver work fine on a wide variety of laptop and desktop systems, but when I tried it on the 560E I ran into problems which "smell" like cache coherency issues. Basically, reads from the card's memory work fine on the 560E; I can receive network packets and even display them with tcpdump to show that data integrity is preserved. But, writes to the card's memory (as the result of transmit packets) result in either corrupted data over the radio link or a loss of synchronization between the driver and card - which strongly suggests to me that the writes are being cached and not flushed out to the card's control store memory. I have declared all data structures which are written to the card as "volatile" in my driver - which I thought should have obviated any caching issues. But, are there any other low-level system primitives I might need to use to either flush the cache or avoid caching alltogether? Finally, I may be making a dangerous leap of faith here in assuming that caching is at the heart of the issue. Can anyone think of another scenario which might be causing the problems I'm seeing? Thanks much, Fred templin@erg.sri.com P.S. Another factor which makes me believe that caching is the issue is the fact that the 560E includes a L2 cache chip which I don't see on any of my other laptops (see the "dmesg" output below): > FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE #29: Tue Mar 17 10:00:06 GMT 1998 > templin@gloom.erg.sri.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/RAPI > CPU: Pentium (166.19-MHz 586-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x543 Stepping=3 > Features=0x8001bf > real memory = 50331648 (49152K bytes) > avail memory = 46112768 (45032K bytes) > Initializing PC-card drivers: aic gmc ed ep fe nw sn sio wdc ncv stg > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0 > chip1 rev 3 on pci0:1 > vga0 rev 211 int a irq ?? on pci0:3 > pcic0 rev 226 int a irq ?? on pci0:19 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 10:42:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00956 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:42:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.wavefront.com (daemon@ns.wavefront.com [204.73.244.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00942 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ocean@wavefront.com) Received: by mail.wavefront.com (8.6.10/SMI-4.1.R931202) id MAA15792; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:45:29 -0600 Received: from UNKNOWN(204.73.244.214), claiming to be "wavefront.com" via SMTP by ns.wavefront.com, id smtpdAAAa15729; Wed Mar 18 18:45:19 1998 Message-ID: <3510159F.82CE16D@wavefront.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:42:39 -0600 From: Michael Porter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kim Shrier CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chipsets vs memory support References: <3506D9F5.63FD2D68@createtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kim Shrier wrote: > Is there a concise summary of the different chipsets (lx, tx, hx, etc.) > and how much memory they support without me having to dig it out > of some carefully hidden hardware specs? > > -- > Kim Shrier - kim@createtech.com > Director of Development - CreateTech, Inc. > voice 214-748-2233 - fax 214-748-3377 > www.createtech.com - Custom Internet Solutions. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message Check out this month's edition of "Boot" (That's April edition I think, it just came out) You might not have heard of Boot, it's a little hard to find, but look at bookstores To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 10:46:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01490 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:46:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from persprog.com (root@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01485 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@persprog.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id NAA26095; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:25:19 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026089; Wed Mar 18 13:25:18 1998 Message-ID: <35101150.B0DDF674@persprog.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:24:16 -0500 From: "David W. Alderman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Open Systems Networking CC: Rob Schofield , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Open Systems Networking wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Rob Schofield wrote: > > It would be MUCH easier, and more reliable for me anyway to just grab a > SCSI DAT drive and archive away. I dont mean to tear down your obvious > love of CD-R, but your guidelines are like that of windows. You can run > windows reliably! Just only run it on tuesdays, BUT you have to have a > black cat ON the monitor, AND it has to be past sunset!! And some holy > water never hurts :) > > I still say after my CD-R problems it's a better choice to just use a SCSI > DAT tape drive. More storage, and will last far longer in my opinion than > CD-R which is aparently quite finicky for more people than just myself. DDS tapes have a fairly short shelf life (does anybody know what it is?).My biggest problem with DDS is its lack of reliability. Let me explain with a now all-too-familiar scenario: Generic Customer Site (aka GCS) is backing up daily with a DDS drive that just passed its one year old mark In that year they never had one problem with the backup and they use a backup program (like Lone Tar or BRU) that does a verify of the tape. One day you get a frantic call that Joe lost all his data and they cannot pull data off the backup. When you arrive on site, you find that the backup has been failing to verify for several days but since they use a reasonable rotation scheme you are able to obtain both a weekly and a monthly tape that supposedly verified. You install a new DDS drive and test it carefully - it works perfectly. It will not, however, read ANY of the site's backups. Needless to say the GCS is not happy and neither are you. You take the tapes back to the office and find that only one of the five identical drives you have in-house will read the backup. Quickly you make a CD-R of Joe's lost data and return that to the site thinking "what is wrong with these DDS drives?" OK. So I added the CD-R bit, but the fact remains that DDS drives seem to have problems with both longevity and unit-to-unit compatibility. My company has been burned many times by this and we switched our in-house backup to DLT for that reason. Does anybody know of a high capacity tape drive that is reliable and interunit-compatible and does not cost as much as a DLT (which you could probably trade in for two Pentium-II class computers)? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 11:33:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07959 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:33:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07811 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04325; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:30:07 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199803181930.UAA04325@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-Reply-To: <35101227.A1274725@wavefront.com> from Michael Porter at "Mar 18, 98 12:27:51 pm" To: ocean@wavefront.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:30:07 +0100 (MET) Cc: schofiel@xs4all.nl, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Michael Porter who wrote: > > By the way, Is anyone working of IDE CD-R support? I'll lend my drive for a > couple of weeks if someone needs it. Yes, I am, just got a EIDE CD-RW drive the other day, courtesy FreeBSD INC. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 12:15:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13437 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp2.xs4all.nl (smtp2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13425 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:15:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from schofiel@xs4all.nl) Received: from diamond.xs4all.nl (enterprise.xs4all.nl [194.109.14.215]) by smtp2.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA04808 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:15:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <35102BAE.D61@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:16:46 +0100 From: Rob Schofield Reply-To: schofiel@xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? References: <350FC5B5.55B1@xs4all.nl> <35101227.A1274725@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael Porter wrote: > > > The problem is the power reaching the drives, which has to be > > hyper-smooth (have you ever seen the current spike on a 5V line caused > > by a modern disk performing a long cross-disk seek? Think of > > Everest/Buzz saw, you're along the right lines) > > Hmmm...Wouldn't a nice sized capacitor work well here? When I get another > computer I'm going to link the P/Ss together with caps(P/S=power supply, and > cap=capacitor in case you didn't know). That'll give me insurance from these > things blowing out too. Since the computer will be controlling my house (when > I build it starting next year :) I can't have that computer go off! > > I would think a couple of large caps would get rid of any transient problem > (well, there is another kind of transient problem, but that's not in this > discussion ;) > As for the size of capacitors--come on, when was the last time the cover was on > your computer?? Errr... Michael, I hope you're not planning on connecting caps to the supply side (110 AC in the US) of your supply; if you are, then I think you're in for a nasty shock (sorry about the pun). Seriously, don't do it. If this is what you intend, then you should go and buy a good make UPS, rated at twice your required offline load rating. Rob Schofield To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 14:26:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07762 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.thinkwell.com (junior.thinkwell.com [207.8.90.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07680 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:26:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aa@thinkwell.com) Received: from localhost (aa@localhost) by junior.thinkwell.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00201 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:26:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:26:12 -0600 (CST) From: Allan Alford X-Sender: aa@junior To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sporadic Keyboard Failure with 2.2.2-RELEASE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm running a standard roll-your-own Penitum mid-tower system with a large 5-pin DIN keyboard, and periodically while in FreeBSD/XWindows the keyboard just suddenly fails to work. Mouse still works o.k. to exit X-Windows, but keyboard doesn't respond - don't even get numlock/capslock lights. I work mostly in X-Windows, so I'm not sure if it's valid to point out that: a) This never happens when the machine is in Win95 mode. b) This never happens when the machine is in unix command-prompt mode. Any ideas? - Allan aa@thinkwell.com <<< "Hacking today for a better tomorrow..." >>> aa@jump.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 14:37:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10479 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au [203.17.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10397 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:37:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.23.1]) by gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IUUFE3BSUO0039W7@gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:58:26 +1000 Received: from cbd.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #9238) with ESMTP id <01IUUFE1PXS090O3ZQ@cim.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:58:24 +1000 Received: from gsms01.alcatel.com.au by cbd.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IUUFDZENOWAZTHVU@cbd.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:58:21 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsms01.alcatel.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) id IAA29649 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:58:19 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:58:19 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <199803182158.IAA29649@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:18:23 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >In message , William Maddox writes: >>What other medium would you suggest for 5 to 25 year storage? >Paper-tape, punched cards, Most current paper contains enough acids to self-destruct over this time frame. You'd need to find someone willing to supply paper-tape or punch cards using archival quality paper. (And someone willing to find and maintain the tape/card readers). > barcode on microfilm ? If it used a silver base, I'd tend to agree. I don't know what current microfilm technology (if it still exists) uses. >As for CDR living for 30 or 100 years, I'll belive that in 25 or 95 years >respectively. I tend to agree. Another option is to use the current state-of-the art and be prepared to perform regular maintenance on the data - ie regularly copy it onto newer media. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 14:43:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12139 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soleil.uvsq.fr (soleil.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12085; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:43:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from son@cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr) Received: from cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr (rtc105.reseau.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.21]) by soleil.uvsq.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.3) with ESMTP id XAA03415 ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:43:09 +0100 (MET) Received: (from son@localhost) by cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00310; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:43:40 GMT Message-ID: <19980318214339.60220@coreff.prism.uvsq.fr> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:43:39 +0000 From: Nicolas Souchu To: Gabor Kincses Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Thinkpad and ppbus References: <350EE1B8.41C67EA6@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <350EE1B8.41C67EA6@acm.org>; from Gabor Kincses on Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 02:48:56PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD coreff 2.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Here are some actions... hope this helps. 1) try to force NIBBLE mode with flags = 0x1 2) try to configure your parallel port differently from BIOS (EPP only, SPP) > >Also, after the vpo lines show up, the console goes blank, until >switching to ttyv1 and back to ttyv0. Then the background is bright >red. I also had to hack syscons.h to a 37x100 console. ?! Any info about the chipset you have in the Thinkpad? -- Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 15:06:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16660 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from enst.enst.fr (enst.enst.fr [137.194.2.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16160 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:03:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fenyo@email.enst.fr) Received: from email.enst.fr (email.enst.fr [137.194.168.17]) by enst.enst.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27711; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:03:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from nikopol.enst.fr (nikopol.enst.fr [137.194.168.105]) by email.enst.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08081; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:03:04 +0100 (MET) Received: (from fenyo@localhost) by nikopol.enst.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12294; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:03:03 +0100 (MET) To: Kim Shrier , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-WWW: http://home.eowyn.fr.eu.org/~fenyo/documents/axel.html X-PGP-Key: finger alex@eowyn.fr.eu.org X-NIC-Handle: AF713 X-Whois: whois -h whois.internic.net fenyo X-Pager: 06-04-30-75-94 (for emergency only) Organization: Ecole Nationale Superieure des Telecommunications de Paris Subject: Re: chipsets vs memory support References: <3506D9F5.63FD2D68@createtech.com> <3510159F.82CE16D@wavefront.com> From: fenyo@email.enst.fr (Alex Fenyo (eowyn)) Date: 19 Mar 1998 00:03:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: Michael Porter's message of Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:42:39 -0600 Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Red Gnus v0.50/XEmacs 19.14 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kim Shrier wrote: > Is there a concise summary of the different chipsets (lx, tx, hx, etc.) > and how much memory they support without me having to dig it out > of some carefully hidden hardware specs? You can read "The Chipset Guide" at http://www.tomshardware.com/chipset.html that contains many tables comparing the different chipsets. Alexandre Fenyo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 17:06:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08257 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:06:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from grayling.erg.sri.com (grayling.erg.sri.com [128.18.4.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08251; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:06:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from templin@erg.sri.com) Received: from grayling.erg.sri.com by grayling.erg.sri.com (8.6.12/2.7davy) id RAA03159; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:07:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199803190107.RAA03159@grayling.erg.sri.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, templin@erg.sri.com Subject: Re: L2 cache problems (??) on ThinkPad 560E In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:37:23 PST." <199803181837.KAA02717@grayling.erg.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:07:01 -0800 From: "Fred L. Templin" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, This problem is solved. Matt Jacob gave me a gentle nudge in the right direction which led to the solution. By adding additional wait-states to the PCMCIA controller chip's memory window mapping for the Netwave card on the 560E the write-corruption problem disappeared. So, it really wasn't a caching problem at all, but rather a memory timing issue with the 560E's PC-CARD implementation. This may be something to watch out for with other memory-mapped PC-CARDs on the ThinkPad... Fred templin@erg.sri.com > Hello, > > I'm trying to debug a problem with a device driver I wrote for the Netwave > PCMCIA radio networking card on an IBM ThinkPad 560E. The Netwave card is > configured as both a memory and I/O mapped card (i.e. 33KB of control store > on the card are memory-mapped into ISA bus memory space, and a block of > registers on the card are mapped into ISA I/O port space.) The card and > driver work fine on a wide variety of laptop and desktop systems, but when > I tried it on the 560E I ran into problems which "smell" like cache coherency > issues. > > Basically, reads from the card's memory work fine on the 560E; I can receive > network packets and even display them with tcpdump to show that data integrity > is preserved. But, writes to the card's memory (as the result of transmit > packets) result in either corrupted data over the radio link or a loss of > synchronization between the driver and card - which strongly suggests to me > that the writes are being cached and not flushed out to the card's control > store memory. I have declared all data structures which are written to the > card as "volatile" in my driver - which I thought should have obviated any > caching issues. But, are there any other low-level system primitives I might > need to use to either flush the cache or avoid caching alltogether? Finally, > I may be making a dangerous leap of faith here in assuming that caching is > at the heart of the issue. Can anyone think of another scenario which might > be causing the problems I'm seeing? > > Thanks much, > > Fred > templin@erg.sri.com > > P.S. Another factor which makes me believe that caching is the issue is > the fact that the 560E includes a L2 cache chip which I don't see on > any of my other laptops (see the "dmesg" output below): > > > > FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE #29: Tue Mar 17 10:00:06 GMT 1998 > > templin@gloom.erg.sri.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/RAPI > > CPU: Pentium (166.19-MHz 586-class CPU) > > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x543 Stepping=3 > > Features=0x8001bf > > real memory = 50331648 (49152K bytes) > > avail memory = 46112768 (45032K bytes) > > Initializing PC-card drivers: aic gmc ed ep fe nw sn sio wdc ncv stg > > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > > chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0 > > chip1 rev 3 on pci0:1 > > vga0 rev 211 int a irq ?? on pci0:3 > > pcic0 rev 226 int a irq ?? on pci0:19 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 17:32:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12038 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:32:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from grayling.erg.sri.com (grayling.erg.sri.com [128.18.4.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA11898; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:30:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from templin@erg.sri.com) Received: from grayling.erg.sri.com by grayling.erg.sri.com (8.6.12/2.7davy) id RAA03194; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:30:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199803190130.RAA03194@grayling.erg.sri.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, templin@erg.sri.com Subject: Re: L2 cache problems (??) on ThinkPad 560E In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:07:01 PST." <199803190107.RAA03159@grayling.erg.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:30:45 -0800 From: "Fred L. Templin" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org P.S. > This problem is solved. Matt Jacob gave me a gentle nudge in the right > direction which led to the solution. By adding additional wait-states to > the PCMCIA controller chip's memory window mapping for the Netwave card > on the 560E the write-corruption problem disappeared. Also credit Kenjiro Cho who had also earlier theorized that the PCIC chip might somehow be involved. (I was too sold out on my own theory of cache corruption at the time to listen to him; sorry KJ!) Fred templin@erg.sri.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 18 17:39:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12945 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12857 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:39:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt3-60.HiWAAY.net [208.147.146.60]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA13136 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:38:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA16984 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:55:29 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803190055.SAA16984@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-reply-to: Message from Michael Porter of "Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:27:51 CST." <35101227.A1274725@wavefront.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:55:29 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael Porter writes: > > The problem is the power reaching the drives, which has to be > > hyper-smooth (have you ever seen the current spike on a 5V line caused > > by a modern disk performing a long cross-disk seek? Think of > > Everest/Buzz saw, you're along the right lines) > > Hmmm...Wouldn't a nice sized capacitor work well here? When I get another > computer I'm going to link the P/Ss together with caps(P/S=power supply, and > cap=capacitor in case you didn't know). That'll give me insurance from these > things blowing out too. Since the computer will be controlling my house (whe > n I build it starting next year :) I can't have that computer go off! You are asking for trouble. Placing additional capacitance on switching power supplies will disrupt its regulation. Even worse would be to attempt connecting multiple switching power supplies together in parallel. The ripple from one P/S will beat against the ripple of the other resulting in even worse ripple. The best solution for (if) CDR's are more sensitive to the quality of power than HD's, is to provide a separate P/S for the CDR. Just buy an external model. "Noisy power supply" should be a well known constraint to the designers of CD-R's. There is no excuse for them to design a product which fails in the crumby environment it is marketed at. Any additional filtering or regulation should have been placed on the critical internal components. Once that's said, I'll mention it is *hard* to eliminate noise in a noisy electrical environment. Much harder than simply "adding capacitors". -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 00:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15032 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:03:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from login.dknet.dk (fj@login.dknet.dk [193.88.44.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15025 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:03:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fj@login.dknet.dk) Received: (from fj@localhost) by login.dknet.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08080; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:02:59 +0100 (MET) From: Flemming Jacobsen Message-Id: <199803190802.JAA08080@login.dknet.dk> Subject: Re: Sporadic Keyboard Failure with 2.2.2-RELEASE To: aa@thinkwell.com (Allan Alford) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 9:02:52 MET Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Allan Alford wrote: > I'm running a standard roll-your-own Penitum mid-tower > system with a large 5-pin DIN keyboard, and periodically > while in FreeBSD/XWindows the keyboard just suddenly > fails to work. > > Mouse still works o.k. to exit X-Windows, but keyboard > doesn't respond - don't even get numlock/capslock lights. > > Any ideas? I know that this is vague, but since nobody else has responded ... I seem to remember that when using an earlier release my keyboard would lock-up too, and that the "cure" would be to switch to the console (using Ctrl-Alt-F1) and then back to X again (using Alt-F4). This would unlock the keyboard for me. I also remember that upgradeing solved the problem. This machine is now running 2.2.5, and I haven't had the problem since I upgraded. I hope this helps. Hyg' Flemming -- Flemming Jacobsen It'll probably say something like "Does not compute" or "Inoperative parameters". That's Email: fj@login.dknet.dk what it says when it doesn't know and doesn't Phone: +45 3916 1833 want to admit it. -- Terry Pratchett: Wings To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 00:40:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20420 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:40:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20411; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:40:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01793; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:39:47 +0100 (CET) To: "Fred L. Templin" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: L2 cache problems (??) on ThinkPad 560E In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:37:23 PST." <199803181837.KAA02717@grayling.erg.sri.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:39:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1791.890296787@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >But, are there any other low-level system primitives I might >need to use to either flush the cache or avoid caching alltogether? Finally, >I may be making a dangerous leap of faith here in assuming that caching is >at the heart of the issue. Can anyone think of another scenario which might >be causing the problems I'm seeing? pick up the tech-man from www.intel.com, dump the registers and see what it does to the area of memory you're using. I have a 560' here which works fine with a NE2000 (Infomover) card, but that doesn't prove much in this context of course... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "Drink MONO-tonic, it goes down but it will NEVER come back up!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 01:02:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23105 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:02:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.wavefront.com (daemon@ns.wavefront.com [204.73.244.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA22974; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:01:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ocean@wavefront.com) Received: by mail.wavefront.com (8.6.10/SMI-4.1.R931202) id DAA24819; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:04:21 -0600 Received: from UNKNOWN(204.73.244.214), claiming to be "wavefront.com" via SMTP by ns.wavefront.com, id smtpdAAAa24816; Thu Mar 19 09:04:20 1998 Message-ID: <3510DEF7.D82B3A0F@wavefront.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:01:43 -0600 From: Michael Porter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG CC: schofiel@xs4all.nl, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? References: <199803181930.UAA04325@sos.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org S?ren Schmidt wrote: > In reply to Michael Porter who wrote: > > > > By the way, Is anyone working of IDE CD-R support? I'll lend my drive for a > > couple of weeks if someone needs it. > > Yes, I am, just got a EIDE CD-RW drive the other day, courtesy FreeBSD INC. I hope you don't think I'm impatient or trying to rush you, but how long do you suppose it'll take for a somewhat-stable driver? I'm not asking for a timetable, just an idea--a couple of weeks, a couple of months, etc. I'm just trying to decide if it's worth it to buy (UGH!) WinSloth95 so I can burn some CDs Thank you, Michael Porter ocean@wavefront.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 01:39:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26545 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:39:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26406; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11512; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:37:36 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199803190937.KAA11512@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-Reply-To: <3510DEF7.D82B3A0F@wavefront.com> from Michael Porter at "Mar 19, 98 03:01:43 am" To: ocean@wavefront.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:37:36 +0100 (MET) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, schofiel@xs4all.nl, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Michael Porter who wrote: > S?ren Schmidt wrote: > > > In reply to Michael Porter who wrote: > > > > > > By the way, Is anyone working of IDE CD-R support? I'll lend my drive for a > > > couple of weeks if someone needs it. > > > > Yes, I am, just got a EIDE CD-RW drive the other day, courtesy FreeBSD INC. > > I hope you don't think I'm impatient or trying to rush you, but how long do you > suppose it'll take for a somewhat-stable driver? I'm not asking for a timetable, > just an idea--a couple of weeks, a couple of months, etc. I'm just trying to > decide if it's worth it to buy (UGH!) WinSloth95 so I can burn some CDs Erhm, well, lets se... It shouldn't take long to do the driver, its more how much time I can devote to it. Also the entire wd/atapi driver mess cries for a major overhaul. My plan is to get a working version with the current driver system, and then take the plunge on a new ide/atapi system. My guess is a (maybe limitted functionality) driver for -current as is in a couble of weeks if I dont get swamped in other (pay) work. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 01:52:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28251 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:52:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mindcrime.termfrost.org (mindcrime.termfrost.org [208.141.2.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28208 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:52:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mandrews@termfrost.org) Received: from localhost (mandrews@localhost) by mindcrime.termfrost.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/mindcrime-19980218) with SMTP id BAA19574; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:20:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mandrews@termfrost.org) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:20:34 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Andrews To: Open Systems Networking cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R and Scanner recomendations for CD archiving of records? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Putting aside for the moment everyone's religious points of view on the pros and cons of whether CD-R media is a good idea at all, can anyone recommend a good SCSI CD-R drive as originally requested? :) I'm looking for a replacement for my dead HP 4020i... One that handles CD-RW's as well would be extra spiffy. I'm under the impression the 4020i is discontinued. Anyone? Mike Andrews/MA12/ICQ6602506 (this chromosome intentionally left blank) mandrews@dcr.net -- mandrews@termfrost.org -- http://www.termfrost.org/ Senior Systems & Network Administrator, Digital Crescent, Frankfort, KY Providing x2 Internet Access in Franklin, Anderson, and Shelby Counties On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Open Systems Networking wrote: > > I just got a wild idea to approach a couple of local places for doing CD > archiving of their records, like the local courthouse, and wondered what > CD-R (SCSI) seems to be the most popular with FreeBSD and the best. > And what scanner would be recommended? > The CD-R part I know people are using, the scanner seems to be a bit > trickier. It looks to me that it's going to be XV with HP scanner support. > > Any opinions on a really good CD-R/Scanner combo for freebsd would be > really appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Chris > -- > "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." > > ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. > FreeBSD 2.2.5 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 > -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 > FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net > http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security > ===================================| http://open-systems.net > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te > gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC > foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z > d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb > NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv > CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 > b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= > =BBjp > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 07:06:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00605 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:06:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00320 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:05:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07960; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:05:25 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803191505.MAA07960@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Where's ASUS ? To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:05:25 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My local vendor is telling me that ASUS has discontinued it's KN97-X motherboard. I'm trying to check this in the WWW, but... aia::jonny [511] nslookup -q=any www.asus.com Server: localhost Address: 127.0.0.1 *** localhost can't find www.asus.com: Non-existent host/domain gaia::jonny [512] nslookup -q=any www.asus.com who.cdrom.com Server: who.cdrom.com Address: 204.216.27.3 *** who.cdrom.com can't find www.asus.com: Non-existent host/domain So, where's ASUS ? Have they gone bankrupcy for selling bad boards ? :) Also, which P2 board could you recommend for a medium sized server ? I tried TYAN S1682 Tahoe 2 ATX, but they say that Tyan has also discontinued this board. Has Intel discontinnued the 82440FX chipset ? Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 08:02:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12045 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:02:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11961 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:02:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11476; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:02:11 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA14376; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:02:08 GMT Message-ID: <19980319160208.60999@iii.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:02:08 +0000 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? References: <199803191505.MAA07960@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199803191505.MAA07960@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br>; from Joao Carlos Mendes Luis on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 12:05:25PM -0300 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 12:05:25PM -0300, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > My local vendor is telling me that ASUS has discontinued it's KN97-X > motherboard. I'm trying to check this in the WWW, but... I've just had a quick look. You'll need Javascript turned on, so I left in disgust. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 08:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12353 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:03:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12179 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:03:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.NoDak.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27813; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:03:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:03:02 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199803191603.KAA27813@plains.NoDak.edu> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > aia::jonny [511] nslookup -q=any www.asus.com > *** localhost can't find www.asus.com: Non-existent host/domain you can always use their original (Taiwan) site: Name: www.asus.com.tw Address: 192.72.126.7 ASUS still lists the board. I would suggest the P2L97 family (which uses the 440LX chipset) and take advantage of the SDRAM support. --mark. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 10:39:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12343 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:39:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12188 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:38:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17140; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:38:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:38:02 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199803191838.NAA17140@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stream_d benchmark... Wow, there really are differences in In-Reply-To: <199803191800.KAA01635@george.arc.nasa.gov> References: <199803191010.CAA21492@rah.star-gate.com> <199803191800.KAA01635@george.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > For the discussion of the chipsets, I refer to my previous post. > This is just to put the numbers in one place so that they can be > compared to previous numbers. This discussion should probably be > elsewhere - in - hardware perhaps? People might also want to try the HINT benchmark (). It's very good at revealing memory regimes. If anyone wants to send me their HINT numbers, I'll put together a compilation. I've already put together a collection of the three unique machine types I have (Intel BB440FX, a generic Orion-based Intel OEM machine, and my Micron TransPort XKE laptop); both the Intels peak at around 700,000 QUIPS when running out of the on-CPU cache. The BB440FX seems to do a bit better in that range. Perhaps this weekend I'll upgrade that machine to 3.0 (if it stabilizes) and try the shared-memory parallel version of HINT on it. I tweaked the HINT parameters, as suggested in the documentation, to get a couple percent additional improvement. I have not tried comparing different compilers in any serious manner. Here are some HINT numbers for the BB440FX (plot using gnuplot with ``using 5:2'' and ``set log x'' to reveal the memory regime): # time QUIPs problem size (bytes) 3.8952349424 348721 1358348 1372237 115267908 3.7189320326 348027 1294289 1306893 109779012 3.5326459408 349093 1233223 1244660 104551440 3.3733619452 348321 1175012 1185391 99572844 3.2034929991 349471 1119526 1128944 94831296 3.0628269911 348253 1066639 1075185 90315540 2.9071429968 349564 1016232 1023986 86014824 2.7711549997 349381 968189 975225 81918900 2.6325010061 350390 922402 928786 78018024 2.5177379847 349030 878767 884559 74302956 2.3983880281 349060 837182 842438 70764792 2.2756210566 350477 797553 802322 67395048 2.1764819622 349091 759790 764117 64185828 2.0602200031 351324 723806 727731 61129404 1.9757740498 348985 689516 693078 58218552 1.8703290224 351192 656844 660075 55446300 1.7903549671 349490 625711 628643 52806012 1.6941549778 351826 596048 598708 50291472 1.6213600636 350191 567786 570199 47896716 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Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 10:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13680 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:48:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13653 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:48:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21214; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:47:24 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803191847.PAA21214@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? In-Reply-To: <199803191603.KAA27813@plains.NoDak.edu> from Mark Tinguely at "Mar 19, 98 10:03:02 am" To: tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:47:24 -0300 (EST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Mark Tinguely) // you can always use their original (Taiwan) site: // // Name: www.asus.com.tw // Address: 192.72.126.7 // // ASUS still lists the board. I would suggest the P2L97 family (which uses // the 440LX chipset) and take advantage of the SDRAM support. The Intel Roadmap at www.tomshardware.com says that Intel is really stopping it's 440FX production at 98Q1. I'm afraid of 440LX. Does it support Parity or ECC ? Does AGP work without problems in FreeBSD ? Considering 440LX, Tyan's S169DLUA seems to be good. Is the SCSI onboard (AIC7895) supported by FreeBSD ? The aic sources at -stable does not list its PCI code. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 11:30:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20620 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:30:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.arc.nasa.gov (george.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.194.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20464 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:29:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov) Received: (from lamaster@localhost) by george.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA14317; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:24:07 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh LaMaster Message-Id: <199803191924.LAA14317@george.arc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Stream_d benchmark... Wow, there really are differences in To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:24:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Reply-To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: <199803191838.NAA17140@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Mar 19, 98 01:38:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote: > People might also want to try the HINT benchmark > (). It's very good at revealing memory > regimes. There is a performance graphing tool driven off a database of results. See: http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/cgi-bin/HINT/hint.pl I concur about HINT. I think it is particularly good at comparing the performance differences resulting from, for example, the different cache hierarchy choices on the PPro200 and the P-II. -- Hugh LaMaster, M/S 233-21, ASCII Email: hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 Phone: 650/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal *opinion*. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 11:58:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26064 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:58:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thunderdome.plutotech.com (root@thunderdome.plutotech.com [206.168.67.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26037 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:58:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by thunderdome.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10340; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:57:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA27200; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:57:48 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199803191957.MAA27200@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? In-Reply-To: <199803191847.PAA21214@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> from Joao Carlos Mendes Luis at "Mar 19, 98 03:47:24 pm" To: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br (Joao Carlos Mendes Luis) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:57:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote... > #define quoting(Mark Tinguely) > // you can always use their original (Taiwan) site: > // > // Name: www.asus.com.tw > // Address: 192.72.126.7 > // > // ASUS still lists the board. I would suggest the P2L97 family (which uses > // the 440LX chipset) and take advantage of the SDRAM support. > > The Intel Roadmap at www.tomshardware.com says that Intel is really > stopping it's 440FX production at 98Q1. I'm afraid of 440LX. Does > it support Parity or ECC ? Does AGP work without problems in FreeBSD ? > > Considering 440LX, Tyan's S169DLUA seems to be good. Is the SCSI > onboard (AIC7895) supported by FreeBSD ? The aic sources at -stable > does not list its PCI code. You have to run CAM if you want 7895 support. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 12:01:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27006 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:01:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au [203.17.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26834 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:00:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.23.1]) by gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IUVPJPQB74003JBN@gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:00:05 +1000 Received: from cbd.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #9238) with ESMTP id <01IUVPJLHVHS90O7TL@cim.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:00:00 +1000 Received: from gsms01.alcatel.com.au by cbd.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IUVPJJ0JHSAZTI2Y@cbd.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:59:56 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsms01.alcatel.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) id GAA22339 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:59:55 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:59:55 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <199803191959.GAA22339@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:02:08 +0000, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: >On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 12:05:25PM -0300, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: >> My local vendor is telling me that ASUS has discontinued it's KN97-X >> motherboard. I'm trying to check this in the WWW, but... > > > >I've just had a quick look. You'll need Javascript turned on, so I left >in disgust. I went a step further and looked at the source. If you use the url http://www.asus.com.tw/indexold.html you won't need JavaScript. The rest of the site seems to be OK. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 15:33:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28350 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:33:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au [203.17.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28242 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:33:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.23.1]) by gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IUVWYLXHVK003NHO@gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:32:08 +1000 Received: from cbd.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #9238) with ESMTP id <01IUVWYH4S0W90NG3M@cim.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:32:03 +1000 Received: from gsms01.alcatel.com.au by cbd.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IUVWYCB3SGAZTLBI@cbd.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:31:55 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsms01.alcatel.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) id KAA00764 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:31:54 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:31:54 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Motherboard/Ethernet/SCSI opinions sought To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <199803192331.KAA00764@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm currently looking for a new system (primarily to use as an X-terminal). So far, I've been offered the following (I'm having serious problems trying to find companies interested in actually selling a system that's not a `standard' configuration) and I'd appreciate opinions on their compatability and performance with FreeBSD. Motherboards: ASUS TX97-XE Elitegroup P5TX-Apro Elitegroup P6LX-A+ `Tekram Intel Triton TX' (ATX formfactor) - I don't have an exact model I realise that the socket-7 boards are all 430-TX and therefore (effectively) limited to 64M of RAM, but no-one seems to offer any non-Intel motherboards. SCSI Controllers: Mylex KT-958 - I don't think this is supported. ASUS SC-875 - This uses the Symbios controller so I believe it's supported. Ethernet: Intel 10/100 PCI (no exact model given) SMC EtherPower II PCI 10/100baseT Accton EN1207B (Cheetah) - I'm not sure of the chipset and so don't know if this is supported. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 15:44:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01131 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:44:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA01033 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:44:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id NAA26714; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:43:46 -1001 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:43:46 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199803192344.NAA26714@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Peter Jeremy "Re: Where's ASUS ?" (Mar 20, 6:59am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } > } > } >I've just had a quick look. You'll need Javascript turned on, so I left } >in disgust. } } I went a step further and looked at the source. If you use the url } http://www.asus.com.tw/indexold.html } you won't need JavaScript. The rest of the site seems to be OK. } What's so horrible about enabling Javascript? You're doing this from a Unix box aren't you? Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 16:16:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06129 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:16:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA06116 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:16:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yFp6t-0001BC-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:52:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:52:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: Mark Tinguely , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? In-Reply-To: <199803191847.PAA21214@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > #define quoting(Mark Tinguely) > // you can always use their original (Taiwan) site: > // > // Name: www.asus.com.tw > // Address: 192.72.126.7 > // > // ASUS still lists the board. I would suggest the P2L97 family (which uses > // the 440LX chipset) and take advantage of the SDRAM support. > > The Intel Roadmap at www.tomshardware.com says that Intel is really > stopping it's 440FX production at 98Q1. I'm afraid of 440LX. Does > it support Parity or ECC ? Does AGP work without problems in FreeBSD ? The 440LX supports both parity and ECC. There is no AGP driver yet, so FreeBSD doesn't even know the AGP port is there. > Considering 440LX, Tyan's S169DLUA seems to be good. Is the SCSI > onboard (AIC7895) supported by FreeBSD ? The aic sources at -stable > does not list its PCI code. The aic driver is for ISA cards. The ahc driver does not support the 7895, but the ahc driver in the CAM patch kit for current does. CAM may be back ported to 2.2-stable someday. > Jonny > > -- > Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br > +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br > Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI > PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 17:06:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15753 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:06:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15728 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:06:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id SAA11889; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:01:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:01:35 -0700 (MST) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199803200101.SAA11889@narnia.plutotech.com> To: Peter Jeremy cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Motherboard/Ethernet/SCSI opinions sought Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: <199803192331.KAA00764@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <199803192331.KAA00764@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> you wrote: > > SCSI Controllers: > Mylex KT-958 - I don't think this is supported. It is supported in current although that driver does not take full advantage of this cards features. I'm about 50% of the way through the CAM version of the driver for this card so support for it will improve shortly. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 21:25:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24704 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:25:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24644; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:25:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrs@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (jrs@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id XAA08166; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:25:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jrs@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA21867; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:25:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:25:16 -0600 (CST) From: "J.R.S. II" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: remote access solutions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I currently have a few (5) freebsd machines I'm using as servers. Two T-1 lines and a tcp/ip network. We have a shiva lan rover with 8 ports. This was installed about 6 months ago. I want to install a remote access device that will allow 15 to 30 people to dial in and also be expandable so if the need for more ever comes upgrading will be easy. Any suggestions would nice. JOHN ********************************* * Elocin Solutions * * Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II * * jrs@elocin.com * ********************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 22:14:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02954 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02931; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:14:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA12626; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma012620; Thu Mar 19 22:13:56 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA28703; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:13:56 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199803200613.WAA28703@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: remote access solutions In-Reply-To: from "J.R.S. II" at "Mar 19, 98 11:25:16 pm" To: jrs@Mcs.Net (J.R.S. II) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:13:56 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org J.R.S. II writes: > I currently have a few (5) freebsd machines I'm using as servers. Two > T-1 lines and a tcp/ip network. We have a shiva lan rover with 8 ports. > This was installed about 6 months ago. I want to install a remote access > device that will allow 15 to 30 people to dial in and also be expandable > so if the need for more ever comes upgrading will be easy. Any > suggestions would nice. To support that many people you might look at something like an Ascend MAX or equivalent connected to a T1. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 19 22:32:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05871 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:32:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.72.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05866; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:32:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA17691; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:32:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980320003241.40443@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:32:41 -0600 From: dannyman To: Archie Cobbs , "J.R.S. II" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: remote access solutions References: <199803200613.WAA28703@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199803200613.WAA28703@bubba.whistle.com>; from Archie Cobbs on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 10:13:56PM -0800 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 10:13:56PM -0800, Archie Cobbs wrote: > J.R.S. II writes: > > I currently have a few (5) freebsd machines I'm using as servers. Two > > T-1 lines and a tcp/ip network. We have a shiva lan rover with 8 ports. > > This was installed about 6 months ago. I want to install a remote access > > device that will allow 15 to 30 people to dial in and also be expandable > > so if the need for more ever comes upgrading will be easy. Any > > suggestions would nice. > > To support that many people you might look at something like > an Ascend MAX or equivalent connected to a T1. I've heard nothing bad against Livingston Portmasters. :) -- //Dan -=- This message brought to you by djhoward@uiuc.edu -=- \\/yori -=- Information - http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ -=- aiokomete -=- Our Honored Symbol deserves an Honorable Retirement To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 02:30:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03552 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 02:30:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beast.gu.net (beast-fxp0.gu.net [194.93.191.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03532; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 02:30:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stesin@gu.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beast.gu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA20180; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:23:41 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from stesin@gu.net) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:23:34 +0200 (EET) From: Andrew Stesin Reply-To: stesin@gu.net To: "J.R.S. II" cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: remote access solutions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Use either cisco 5300 (much recommended) or FreeBSD box with 32 async serial ports and modems (less recommended, but also is Ok). Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 07:14:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08026 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:14:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bigbrother (bigbrother.rstcorp.com [206.29.49.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA08013 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:14:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by bigbrother (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA04470 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:09:04 -0500 Received: from fault.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.18) by bigbrother.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004450; Fri, 20 Mar 98 11:08:24 -0500 Received: (from vshah@localhost) by rstcorp.com (8.8.1/8.8.1) id KAA05740; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:12:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:12:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803201512.KAA05740@rstcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Viren R. Shah" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ncr 53c710? X-Mailer: VM 6.40 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is the NCR 53c710 SCSI controller supported? It is an EISA card, I think. If not officially, does anyone have a rogue driver for it? Thanks Viren -- Viren R. Shah viren @ rstcorp . com "The amount of common sense is fixed, but the population keeps going up" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 07:16:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08177 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:16:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov (gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08147; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:16:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cshenton@gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov) Received: from wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (WireHead.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.88]) by gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29017; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18809; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:16:05 -0500 (EST) To: "J.R.S. II" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: remote access solutions References: From: Chris Shenton Date: 20 Mar 1998 10:16:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: "J.R.S. II"'s message of Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:25:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "J.R.S. II" writes: > I currently have a few (5) freebsd machines I'm using as servers. Two > T-1 lines and a tcp/ip network. We have a shiva lan rover with 8 ports. > This was installed about 6 months ago. I want to install a remote access > device that will allow 15 to 30 people to dial in and also be expandable > so if the need for more ever comes upgrading will be easy. Any > suggestions would nice. I like Livingston PortMasters. If all you want is POTS analog lines, the PM2e-30 does 30 lines. You should also be able to find them used and maybe discounted now that the PM4 has been released (what a monster!). If you plan on ISDN or 56K, look into the PM3. I support two ISPs with PM2s: they seem very stable, reliable, and cost effective. One of the ISPs is a complete FreeBSD shop :-) I don't like Ascends. I've found the firmware and their RADIUS to be buggy, with patches released at least weekly. They're expensive. Word on the net is they can't really handle all their lines at full speed. I've worked with them here at HQ. You should probably get hip to RADIUS for authentication. Livingston is the defacto, Ascend has their version, there are commercial versions now too, including ones wich will run on (shudder) NT. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 08:09:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15853 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:09:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15847 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:08:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29411; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:04:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803201604.IAA29411@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tom cc: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis , Mark Tinguely , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:52:29 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:04:12 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The 440LX supports both parity and ECC. There is no AGP driver yet, so > FreeBSD doesn't even know the AGP port is there. We have reports of AGP video working just fine under FreeBSD. Video cards work prettymuch the same no matter how they're connected. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 08:19:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17849 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:19:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17835; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:19:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrs@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (jrs@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA29195; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:19:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jrs@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA28692; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:19:28 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:19:28 -0600 (CST) From: "J.R.S. II" To: Chris Shenton cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: remote access solutions-little more info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I like Livingston PortMasters. If all you want is POTS analog lines, > the PM2e-30 does 30 lines. You should also be able to find them used > and maybe discounted now that the PM4 has been released (what a > monster!). If you plan on ISDN or 56K, look into > the PM3. I support two ISPs with PM2s: they seem very stable, > reliable, and cost effective. One of the ISPs is a complete FreeBSD > shop :-) > > I don't like Ascends. I've found the firmware and their RADIUS to be > buggy, with patches released at least weekly. They're expensive. Word > on the net is they can't really handle all their lines at full > speed. I've worked with them here at HQ. > > You should probably get hip to RADIUS for authentication. Livingston > is the defacto, Ascend has their version, there are commercial > versions now too, including ones wich will run on (shudder) NT. > Excuse the ignorance but this is the first time I'm going to attempt to do this. If i do go with a pm2 or pm3 is there any other equipment i will need that i should budget for?? JOHN ********************************* * Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II * * jrs@elocin.com * ********************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 09:23:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04965 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:23:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov (gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04877; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:23:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cshenton@gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov) Received: from wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (WireHead.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.88]) by gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29939; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19024; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:23:15 -0500 (EST) To: "J.R.S. II" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: remote access solutions-little more info References: From: Chris Shenton Date: 20 Mar 1998 12:23:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: "J.R.S. II"'s message of Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:19:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "J.R.S. II" writes: > Excuse the ignorance but this is the first time I'm going to attempt to do > this. If i do go with a pm2 or pm3 is there any other equipment i will > need that i should budget for?? Depends on what you want to do. PM2 talks to normal analog modems so you'll need those. PM3 and Ascend Max have internal digital modems. Both can do authentication against an internal database, but are usually configured to query a networked RADIUS server. So you'll need a box, or you can run RADIUS on an existing box. If you want to run an ISP, you'll need DNS, web, ftp srvers, etc. Lots of possibilities depending on what you're after. I really like the O'Reilly book "Getting Connected to the Internet at 56K and Up". It covers lots of topics for the budding ISP. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 16:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05433 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:00:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05355 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:00:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12515 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:00:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:00:34 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DPT kernel options Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I see that the DPT driver has been incorporated into -stable, but I'm a bit confused about some of the options: #options DPTOPT #will go away #options DPT_MEASURE_PERFORMANCE #Leave alone for now #options DPT_VERIFY_HINTR # Some hardware MUST hav e it! #options DPT_TRACK_CCB_STATES # Some hardware MUST have it! #options DPT_HANDLE_TIMEOUTS # Some hardware must have it! #options DPT_TIMEOUT_FACTOR=4 # Some hardware needs more I get the first two, but the rest aren't very clear. Can anyone comment on these options? Thanks, Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- "I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man Just a mortal with potential of a superman I'm living on" -DB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 16:42:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12023 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:42:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11865 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:41:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20969; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:41:30 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803210041.VAA20969@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? In-Reply-To: <199803190937370050.0086B110@mail.mindspring.com> from Jelai Wang at "Mar 19, 98 09:37:37 am" To: jelaiw@starmail.com (Jelai Wang) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:41:30 -0300 (EST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Jelai Wang) // >My local vendor is telling me that ASUS has discontinued it's KN97-X // >motherboard. I'm trying to check this in the WWW, but... // >So, where's ASUS ? Have they gone bankrupcy for selling bad boards ? :) // // ASUS is a Taiwan-based company (like most motherboard companies), so it's web address would be "www.asus.com.tw". So this site has also finally died ? :( traceroute to www.asus.com.tw (192.72.126.7), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 rt-ct-bloco-H.ufrj.br (146.164.5.193) 1.920 ms 1.640 ms 1.529 ms 2 rt-nce2.ufrj.br (146.164.1.5) 3.126 ms 2.086 ms 2.173 ms 3 cisco-ufrj.rederio.br (146.164.10.66) 4.512 ms 2.028 ms 1.918 ms 4 s2-0.san-gw1.cerf.net (134.24.26.100) 205.319 ms 209.346 ms 226.339 ms 5 f2-1-0.san-bb3.cerf.net (134.24.252.3) 201.311 ms 199.983 ms 211.430 ms 6 atm1-0-155M.san-bb1.cerf.net (134.24.32.6) 206.862 ms 199.764 ms 207.290 ms 7 fe0-0-0.san-bb2.cerf.net (134.24.29.102) 213.029 ms 244.174 ms 203.835 ms 8 fe0-0-0.san-bb2.cerf.net (134.24.29.102) 209.902 ms 219.800 ms 204.598 ms 9 pos6-0-0-155M.lax-bb2.cerf.net (134.24.29.74) 208.353 ms fe0-0-0.lax-bb1.cerf.net (134.24.29.78) 202.782 ms 202.875 ms 10 atm3-0-155M.sfo-bb1.cerf.net (134.24.29.42) 232.457 ms 234.816 ms 216.226 ms 11 fe2-0-0.sfo-bb2.cerf.net (134.24.29.114) 245.999 ms 237.170 ms 213.961 ms 12 fe2-0-0.sfo-bb2.cerf.net (134.24.29.114) 233.463 ms 223.963 ms 233.928 ms 13 atm3-0-155M.sjc-bb3.cerf.net (134.24.29.22) 246.052 ms paloalto-br1.bbnplanet.net (4.0.3.81) 235.760 ms 241.563 ms 14 su-bfr.bbnplanet.net (4.0.2.193) 244.611 ms 241.000 ms 232.560 ms 15 paloalto-cr13.bbnplanet.net (4.0.2.222) 307.581 ms 323.430 ms 502.494 ms 16 seednet.bbnplanet.net (131.119.43.146) 505.817 ms 425.070 ms 432.418 ms 17 R56-73.seed.net.tw (139.175.56.73) 414.253 ms 466.798 ms 447.425 ms 18 139.175.70.12 (139.175.70.12) 418.127 ms 450.135 ms 443.801 ms 19 139.175.70.12 (139.175.70.12) 453.423 ms * 458.637 ms 20 192.72.130.14 (192.72.130.14) 459.891 ms 443.386 ms 418.935 ms 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * ^C And it has been unreachable for the last two days, at least. It's time to seek new motherboard brands... Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 17:01:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13967 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:01:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from persprog.com (root@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13961 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:01:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@persprog.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id TAA24698; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:56:08 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma024687; Fri Mar 20 19:55:48 1998 Message-ID: <35130FC5.7F6171F1@persprog.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:54:29 -0500 From: "David W. Alderman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis CC: Jelai Wang , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? References: <199803210041.VAA20969@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > And it has been unreachable for the last two days, at least. > > It's time to seek new motherboard brands... > I think you are jumping to conclusions... >From http://www.asus.com @ 7:55PM EST on 1998/03/20: "Yes, with our rapid and successful growth in 1997, our old San Jose home just became way too small for us. So we've just moved into a bigger and better facility (40,000 sq. ft.) in Newark, California that suits us just fine. With this move, ASUS is now set to continue its commitment of delivering solid PC solutions, support and service to you in 1998 and into the next century." They are NOT going out of business! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 17:14:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16356 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:14:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16335 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:14:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21308; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:12:49 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803210112.WAA21308@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? In-Reply-To: <35130FC5.7F6171F1@persprog.com> from "David W. Alderman" at "Mar 20, 98 07:54:29 pm" To: dave@persprog.com (David W. Alderman) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:12:48 -0300 (EST) Cc: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, jelaiw@starmail.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(David W. Alderman) // I think you are jumping to conclusions... I hope so. // >From http://www.asus.com @ 7:55PM EST on 1998/03/20: How could you get there ? gaia::root [515] nslookup www.asus.com. who.cdrom.com. Server: who.cdrom.com Address: 204.216.27.3 *** who.cdrom.com can't find www.asus.com.: Non-existent host/domain gaia::root [516] nslookup www.asus.com. noc.cerf.net. Server: noc.cerf.net Address: 192.153.156.22 *** noc.cerf.net can't find www.asus.com.: Non-existent host/domain gaia::root [517] nslookup www.asus.com. Server: localhost Address: 127.0.0.1 *** localhost can't find www.asus.com.: Non-existent host/domain gaia::root [518] date -u Sat Mar 21 01:12:04 GMT 1998 Could you please send me their www IP address in private ? // They are NOT going out of business! Crossing my fingers. :) Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 17:24:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17971 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:24:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17910 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:24:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25453; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:22:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: dave@persprog.com (David W. Alderman), jelaiw@starmail.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:12:48 -0300." <199803210112.WAA21308@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:22:42 -0800 Message-ID: <25450.890443362@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > *** who.cdrom.com can't find www.asus.com.: Non-existent host/domain For starters, it's www.asus.com.tw during the U.S. office's move. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 20 18:38:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29878 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:38:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA29851 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:37:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGDmG-00026q-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:12:52 -0800 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:12:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: Jelai Wang , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? In-Reply-To: <199803210041.VAA20969@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > So this site has also finally died ? :( > > traceroute to www.asus.com.tw (192.72.126.7), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets ... > 20 192.72.130.14 (192.72.130.14) 459.891 ms 443.386 ms 418.935 ms > 21 * * * Traceroute is not a tool to determine web site reachability. Traceroute simply tests whether routers along the way, will return ICMP TTL expired messages. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 21 12:15:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19321 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:15:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from persprog.com (root@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19287 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:15:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@persprog.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id NAA14303; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:42:02 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma014299; Sat Mar 21 13:41:32 1998 Message-ID: <35140987.2EA1617E@persprog.com> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:40:08 -0500 From: "David W. Alderman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis CC: jelaiw@starmail.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? References: <199803210112.WAA21308@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > Could you please send me their www IP address in private ? > > // They are NOT going out of business! > > Crossing my fingers. :) Here is a traceroute to their web site in Taiwan. Their US site appears to be down again which is understandable since they are moving. Just because a web site is down for a day does not mean the company is in trouble! 1 340 ms 200 ms 201 ms gnv-ts1.atlantic.net [204.215.255.20] 2 280 ms 191 ms 190 ms border1-e0.Gainesville.atlantic.net [204.215.255 .10] 3 * 330 ms 200 ms 504.Hssi8-0-0.GW1.JAX1.ALTER.NET [157.130.65.129 ] 4 381 ms 390 ms 401 ms 131.ATM2-0-0.CR1.ATL1.Alter.Net [137.39.59.250] 5 391 ms 401 ms * 311.ATM12-0-0.BR1.ATL1.Alter.Net [137.39.21.73] 6 390 ms * 310 ms atlanta1-br1.bbnplanet.net [4.0.2.141] 7 411 ms 501 ms 400 ms atlanta1-br2.bbnplanet.net [4.0.1.170] 8 661 ms 430 ms 501 ms paloalto-br2.bbnplanet.net [4.0.3.170] 9 400 ms 401 ms 500 ms su-bfr.bbnplanet.net [4.0.2.197] 10 501 ms * * paloalto-cr13.bbnplanet.net [4.0.2.222] 11 791 ms 1503 ms 801 ms seednet.bbnplanet.net [131.119.43.146] 12 1192 ms 1392 ms 1803 ms R56-73.seed.net.tw [139.175.56.73] 13 791 ms 1202 ms 1992 ms 139.175.70.12 14 861 ms * 761 ms 139.175.70.12 15 841 ms * 661 ms 192.72.130.14 16 851 ms 701 ms 601 ms firewall.asus.com.tw [192.72.126.30] 17 691 ms 591 ms 791 ms www.asus.com.tw [192.72.126.7] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 21 15:45:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23432 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:45:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA23373 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:44:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id NAA10825; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:44:35 -1000 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:44:35 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199803212344.NAA10825@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: "David W. Alderman" "Re: Where's ASUS ?" (Mar 21, 1:40pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } Here is a traceroute to their web site in Taiwan. Their US site appears } to be down again } which is understandable since they are moving. Just because a web site } is down for a day } does not mean the company is in trouble! } Traceroute is inappropriate for showing that a site is up or down. A site can be up and still not reachable by traceroute. It is also pretty inept of a company to allow their long-time-working network site to be completely unavailable just because they're moving. Very poor planning. Considering how easy it is to avoid this, it's not all that unreasonable to wonder whether the company still exists. (And it's been way longer than `a day'.) Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 21 15:55:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24939 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:55:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24933 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:55:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id AAA14697; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:55:09 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:55:09 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? References: <199803212344.NAA10825@pegasus.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 22 Mar 1998 00:55:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: richard@pegasus.com's message of "Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:44:35 -1000" Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes: > } Here is a traceroute to their web site in Taiwan. Their US site appears > } to be down again > } which is understandable since they are moving. Just because a web site > } is down for a day > } does not mean the company is in trouble! > Traceroute is inappropriate for showing that a site is up or down. A site > can be up and still not reachable by traceroute. Or down, but still reachable by traceroute. > It is also pretty inept of a company to allow their long-time-working > network site to be completely unavailable just because they're moving. AOL. > Considering how easy it is to avoid this, it's not all that unreasonable > to wonder whether the company still exists. (And it's been way longer > than `a day'.) To put it bluntly, "They're moving" doesn't seem bloody likely. They wouldn't shut down the entire domain if they were just moving. According to the InterNIC, asus.com is on hold; there is another domain, asustek.com (created 1997/10/27) but my guess is it's a fraud. In my book, "on hold" is bureaucratese for "they didn't pay the bill so we shut them down". DES, aka. DS10339, who usually pays his bills on time :P -- fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 21 18:05:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14325 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:05:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA14315 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:05:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yGZlf-00039Q-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:41:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:41:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: Richard Foulk , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's ASUS ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id SAA14316 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 22 Mar 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan [iso-8859-1] Smørgrav wrote: > To put it bluntly, "They're moving" doesn't seem bloody likely. They > wouldn't shut down the entire domain if they were just moving. > According to the InterNIC, asus.com is on hold; there is another > domain, asustek.com (created 1997/10/27) but my guess is it's a fraud. > > In my book, "on hold" is bureaucratese for "they didn't pay the bill > so we shut them down". Or, it means that ASUS doesn't hold a US trademark on "asus" in the US and lawyers have come visiting InterNIC, so ASUS must fallback to its original, and much older domainname, asus.com.tw So, go visit http://www.asus.com.tw It has been working throughout this whole "where is ASUS thread". > DES, aka. DS10339, who usually pays his bills on time :P > -- > fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message