From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 5 01:43:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08334 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:43:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay3.Austria.EU.net (relay3.Austria.EU.net [193.154.160.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA08329 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:43:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hfwirth@eunet.at) Received: from atlantis (a064.static.Vienna.AT.EU.net [193.154.186.64]) by relay3.Austria.EU.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA18943; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:43:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <359F3C98.446B9B3D@eunet.at> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 10:43:04 +0200 From: "Helmut F. Wirth" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Kevin Day Subject: 3Dfx Glide port, Status ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I would like to ask what is the status of the GLIDE port ? Also I volunteered to partizipate in the beta test.. Thanks Helmut -- Helmut F. Wirth Email: hfwirth@eunet.at To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 5 13:49:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02106 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:49:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (root@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02086 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:49:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA26710; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:54:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:54:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon X-Sender: cdillon@duey.hs.wolves.k12.mo.us To: "Helmut F. Wirth" cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Kevin Day Subject: Re: 3Dfx Glide port, Status ? In-Reply-To: <359F3C98.446B9B3D@eunet.at> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Helmut F. Wirth wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to ask what is the status of the GLIDE port ? > > Also I volunteered to partizipate in the beta test.. > > Thanks > Helmut > -- > Helmut F. Wirth > Email: hfwirth@eunet.at Ditto. Still waiting to test something out here, too. Boy, QuakeII on the VooDoo2 under FreeBSD will make my day. Now if only Unreal were ported to Linux or FreeBSD. Good stress reliever. :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) (http://www.freebsd.org) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 5 13:59:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05628 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:59:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (root@home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05621 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:59:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA29362; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:13:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199807051813.NAA29362@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: 3Dfx Glide port, Status ? In-Reply-To: from Chris Dillon at "Jul 5, 98 12:54:47 pm" To: cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us (Chris Dillon) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:13:47 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hfwirth@eunet.at, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Helmut F. Wirth wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I would like to ask what is the status of the GLIDE port ? > > > > Also I volunteered to partizipate in the beta test.. > > > > Thanks > > Helmut > > -- > > Helmut F. Wirth > > Email: hfwirth@eunet.at > > Ditto. Still waiting to test something out here, too. Boy, QuakeII > on the VooDoo2 under FreeBSD will make my day. Now if only Unreal > were ported to Linux or FreeBSD. Good stress reliever. :-) > I'm waiting for one more thing from 3Dfx, then I should have it available for them to approve before I can allow people to see it. Patience. :) Kevin Day To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 5 18:36:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05746 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05689 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:36:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA25127; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:05:32 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199807060135.LAA25127@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Chris Dillon cc: "Helmut F. Wirth" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Kevin Day Subject: Re: 3Dfx Glide port, Status ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 05 Jul 1998 12:54:47 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:05:32 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Ditto. Still waiting to test something out here, too. Boy, QuakeII > on the VooDoo2 under FreeBSD will make my day. Now if only Unreal > were ported to Linux or FreeBSD. Good stress reliever. :-) Well, you can get a new version of the Glide driver for Linux to support the Voodoo 2.. I _presume_ it would work with FreeBSD, as the early version does. I haven't tried it yet, but I may have a go later. (Not that I have a Voodoo 2, only a Voodoo 1) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 7 08:49:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16716 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from symbion.srrc.usda.gov ([199.78.118.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16711 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:49:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glenn@nola.srrc.usda.gov) Received: from nola.srrc.usda.gov (localhost.srrc.usda.gov [127.0.0.1]) by symbion.srrc.usda.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16961 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:49:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from glenn@nola.srrc.usda.gov) Message-Id: <199807071549.KAA16961@symbion.srrc.usda.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Glenn Johnson Subject: Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 Server vs. client adapter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:49:20 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have convinced our network administrator to set up a FreeBSD server and I am recommending that he install an Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 NIC. When I visited the Intel web page, I saw that they have both Server adapter and Client adapter versions of the board. Are any of the extra features of the Server version usable under FreeBSD, or should we get the Client adapter version and save money? Thanks in advance. -- Glenn Johnson Technician USDA, ARS, SRRC New Orleans, LA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 7 09:23:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22523 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:23:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22514 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:23:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26436; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807071616.JAA26436@implode.root.com> To: Glenn Johnson cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 Server vs. client adapter In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:49:20 CDT." <199807071549.KAA16961@symbion.srrc.usda.gov> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:16:09 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I have convinced our network administrator to set up a FreeBSD server and I am >recommending that he install an Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 NIC. When I visited >the Intel web page, I saw that they have both Server adapter and Client >adapter versions of the board. Are any of the extra features of the Server >version usable under FreeBSD, or should we get the Client adapter version and >save money? Thanks in advance. If the "server" adapter is the one with the 82556 NIC, then it is not supported and will not work with FreeBSD. Look for PCI "Pro/100B", "Pro/100 model B", or "Pro/100+" - all of those are supported. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 7 10:06:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29368 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29346 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:06:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@boothman.easynet.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27141 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 17:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Boothman.easynet.co.uk) (194.154.100.117) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 17:06:01 -0000 Received: by Boothman.easynet.co.uk (VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:23:00 +0100 Message-ID: <35A22A4A.AE77E6B7@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 15:01:46 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Old EGA Video Card & Monitor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d Unregistered Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! Still not got FreeBSD Installed. :-( I'm trying to get the hardware together, it's kind of difficult when your budget doesn't reach 3 figures! :) At the moment I've got a Gateway 2000 3 year old P5-90 (90 MHz Pentium non-MMX) with 16 MB EDO RAM. So what I did is I took the floppy drive, video card and monitor (EGA) from a very old 286. The trouble is that now when I turn the system on, it seems to recognise the floppy drive, but then it just stops. No "Please insert system disk" style message. If I press F1 to enter the BIOS setup utility, then a message pops up saying "Entering Setup.....", but then the machine stops again before reaching the setup program. Basically I'm wondering if a 7/8 year old EGA video card is OK in a relatively new PC? It's displaying text OK, but something is preventing the machine from completing it's POST checks. I'm going to try swapping around floppy drives and monitors/video cards from another machine to see if I can work out what's broken. Does anybody have any comments on what I'm trying to do? Are there any reasons why the old card or floppy drive can't work? Thanks!! P.S. Please e-mail answers back to me directly and CC to the list. Mind you, you guys probably do this anyway. -- Andrew Boothman http://www.boothman.easynet.co.uk/andrew/ PGP Key available from public servers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 7 10:44:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04558 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:44:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04547 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:44:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00908; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807071744.KAA00908@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Glenn Johnson cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 Server vs. client adapter In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:49:20 CDT." <199807071549.KAA16961@symbion.srrc.usda.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:44:29 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have convinced our network administrator to set up a FreeBSD server and I am > recommending that he install an Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 NIC. When I visited > the Intel web page, I saw that they have both Server adapter and Client > adapter versions of the board. Are any of the extra features of the Server > version usable under FreeBSD, or should we get the Client adapter version and > save money? Thanks in advance. You want the Pro 100/B or 100+, not the original 100. Paying more than about US$50 for either is too much. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 7 10:52:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05853 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:52:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.thinkwell.com (junior.thinkwell.com [207.8.90.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05834 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aa@thinkwell.com) Received: from localhost (aa@localhost) by junior.thinkwell.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09356; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:55:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:55:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Allan Alford X-Sender: aa@junior To: Andrew Boothman cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old EGA Video Card & Monitor In-Reply-To: <35A22A4A.AE77E6B7@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Your problems are happening before the operating system even has a chance to do anything. They're hardware and/or BIOS related. I bet you have a 720k floppy and that you told the BIOS it's a 1.44. - allan aa@thinkwell.com <<< "Hacking today for a better tomorrow..." >>> aa@jump.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 7 15:49:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14553 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA14548 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@boothman.easynet.co.uk) Received: (qmail 25744 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 22:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Boothman.easynet.co.uk) (194.154.100.117) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 22:49:37 -0000 Received: by Boothman.easynet.co.uk (VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:14:50 +0100 Message-ID: <35A29DDA.522704E5@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 23:14:50 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Alford CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old EGA Video Card & Monitor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d Unregistered Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Allan Alford wrote: > > Your problems are happening before the operating system even > has a chance to do anything. They're hardware and/or BIOS > related. Absolutely. I realise this has nothing to do with the OS, but I thought you folks would be able to answer my questions since they are hardware related. > I bet you have a 720k floppy and that you told the BIOS it's > a 1.44. You could well be right. But I can't even get the system to enter it's BIOS setup program, so I have no way to change this setting even if that's the problem. Another -hardware list member suggested that the BIOS setup program may use a VGA font, and that might prevent the setup program being used on EGA hardware. What would happen if I booted the machine with no drives? i.e. With nothing but a keyboard and video card/monitor? Would the machine enter its BIOS setup program OK? These questions may be BIOS specific so my BIOS is a AMIBIOS 1992 Version 1.00.03.BS0T Thanks for your help -- Andrew Boothman http://www.boothman.easynet.co.uk/andrew/ PGP Key available from public servers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 7 16:28:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19134 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:28:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.thinkwell.com (junior.thinkwell.com [207.8.90.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19129 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:28:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aa@thinkwell.com) Received: from localhost (aa@localhost) by junior.thinkwell.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09834; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:31:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:31:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Allan Alford X-Sender: aa@junior To: Andrew Boothman cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old EGA Video Card & Monitor In-Reply-To: <35A29DDA.522704E5@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You could well be right. But I can't even get the system to enter it's > BIOS setup program, so I have no way to change this setting even if > that's the problem. Another -hardware list member suggested that the > BIOS setup program may use a VGA font, and that might prevent the setup > program being used on EGA hardware. There is a faint possibility of that, but I have set up fairly modern systems with Hercules mono cards/monitors when I was desparate. System fonts usually don't assume vga/ega/etc. You have a menu option on AMIBIOS to tell it what kind of graphics you have, and you couldn't well toggle through those options if you can't see the font in the first place. > What would happen if I booted the machine with no drives? i.e. With > nothing but a keyboard and video card/monitor? Would the machine enter > its BIOS setup program OK? These questions may be BIOS specific so my > BIOS is a AMIBIOS 1992 Version 1.00.03.BS0T This it totally doable. Are you getting any keyboard errors, btw? That might explain the lack of F1 functionality as well. - allan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 7 16:31:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19508 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:31:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.thinkwell.com (junior.thinkwell.com [207.8.90.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19503 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aa@thinkwell.com) Received: from localhost (aa@localhost) by junior.thinkwell.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09850; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:34:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:34:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Allan Alford X-Sender: aa@junior To: Andrew Boothman cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old EGA Video Card & Monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One other thing in regards to the system font issue: Even the BIOS in most modern machines calls the 'vga' option 'ega/vga'. Only cga and mono have their own settings. - allan aa@thinkwell.com <<< "Hacking today for a better tomorrow..." >>> aa@jump.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 7 17:25:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26150 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:25:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sara.cpb.org (sara.cpb.org [198.187.60.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA26141 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:25:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mathison@cpb.org) Received: from localhost by sara.cpb.org; (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/04May95-0341PM) id AA31080; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:26:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Neil T. Mathison" To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: "Jan B. Koum" , hardware@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: overclocking PPro166-512kB In-Reply-To: <199807022111.OAA10035@hub.freebsd.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > it is a nice deal. take a look at > http://developer.intel.com/design/motherbd/pr/pr_confg.htm#2 > > seems that one just sets the jumpers for 200MHz cpu > I was wondering if anyone persued this and what the outcome was, especially on where to obtain the Pentium Pro CPUs. Can the CPUs offered by the various retailers listed on pricewatch in the price range of $135 - $150 be trusted (properly handled, etc). I talked to two of the retailers, but didn't leave the conversation with a good feeling (or with any purchase). Still deciding. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 7 17:41:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00975 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:41:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www1.asacomputers.com (gw2.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00944 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:41:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: from kedar.asacomputers.com (alan.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.86]) by www1.asacomputers.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06087; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:42:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980708003759.01505c50@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:37:59 -0700 To: "Neil T. Mathison" From: Kedar Rajadnya Subject: Re: overclocking PPro166-512kB Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, All you would need to do is ask if the CPU's are new or 'pulls'. Most of them are pulled from upgrade systems or so nowadays. They should have no problem in sharing that info with you. You can very easily tell if the CPU's are new or pulls once you receive them. Kedar. >I was wondering if anyone persued this and what the outcome was, >especially on where to obtain the Pentium Pro CPUs. Can the >CPUs offered by the various retailers listed on pricewatch in >the price range of $135 - $150 be trusted (properly handled, etc). > >I talked to two of the retailers, but didn't leave the conversation >with a good feeling (or with any purchase). Still deciding. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 7 18:19:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00573 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:19:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cynix.ecn.purdue.edu (cynix.ecn.purdue.edu [128.46.198.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00554 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from splite@purdue.edu) Received: (from splite@localhost) by cynix.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08619; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:14:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980707201402.A8592@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:14:02 -0500 From: Steven Plite To: "Neil T. Mathison" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking PPro166-512kB References: <199807022111.OAA10035@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Neil T. Mathison on Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 08:26:20PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 08:26:20PM -0400, Neil T. Mathison wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > it is a nice deal. take a look at > > http://developer.intel.com/design/motherbd/pr/pr_confg.htm#2 > > > > seems that one just sets the jumpers for 200MHz cpu > > > > I was wondering if anyone persued this and what the outcome was, > especially on where to obtain the Pentium Pro CPUs. Can the > CPUs offered by the various retailers listed on pricewatch in > the price range of $135 - $150 be trusted (properly handled, etc). > > I talked to two of the retailers, but didn't leave the conversation > with a good feeling (or with any purchase). Still deciding. Clifford Technology (http://www.computer123.com/) currently has the PR440FX on special for $88. The board with two 166MHz/512 P6s, VRM, fans/heatsinks is available for $322. I just ordered two of the board/CPU combos today; I can let you know how it turns out. They also have pretty good prices on individual P6s. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 8 02:31:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09476 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:31:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bedroom.saturn-tech.com (bedroom.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA09295 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@bedroom.saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by bedroom.saturn-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA09114; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@bedroom.saturn-tech.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:31:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Andrew Boothman cc: Allan Alford , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old EGA Video Card & Monitor In-Reply-To: <35A29DDA.522704E5@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Andrew Boothman wrote: > Allan Alford wrote: > > You could well be right. But I can't even get the system to enter it's > BIOS setup program, so I have no way to change this setting even if > that's the problem. Another -hardware list member suggested that the > BIOS setup program may use a VGA font, and that might prevent the setup > program being used on EGA hardware. That was my first thought, but I've never had that problem before. > What would happen if I booted the machine with no drives? i.e. With > nothing but a keyboard and video card/monitor? Would the machine enter > its BIOS setup program OK? These questions may be BIOS specific so my > BIOS is a AMIBIOS 1992 Version 1.00.03.BS0T I have never seen a BIOS that wouldn't. (That doesn't mean your BIOS will work, of course. :) ) Swap a VGA card in and see if you can get to setup. Most old BIOSes go through POST in co80 or mono mode based on a hardware jumper. (If it is REALLY old, it might have a jumper. :) ) Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 8 03:46:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11329 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bedroom.saturn-tech.com (bedroom.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11268 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:35:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@bedroom.saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by bedroom.saturn-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA09121; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:36:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@bedroom.saturn-tech.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:36:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Allan Alford cc: Andrew Boothman , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Old EGA Video Card & Monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Allan Alford wrote: > Even the BIOS in most modern machines calls the 'vga' option > 'ega/vga'. Only cga and mono have their own settings. Good point. Are you (Andrew) sure the EGA card works at all? DIP switches set correctly? Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 8 06:51:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02863 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from electric.tbe.net (electric.tbe.net [207.99.115.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA02857 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: (qmail 5022 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1998 13:49:49 -0000 Received: from electric.tbe.net (207.99.115.10) by electric.tbe.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 13:49:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:49:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Steven Plite cc: "Neil T. Mathison" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking PPro166-512kB In-Reply-To: <19980707201402.A8592@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually just ordered the same combo. Due in tomorrow, and I plan on pushing them up to 233 if it'll take it. I asked a similar question on the -smp list and got a couple of good responses from people who have the 166/512's clocked to 200 and 233... said as long as you have a decent fan, there should be no problem doing it. ______________________________________________________________ -Gary Margiotta Voice: (973) 835-9696 TBE Internet Services Fax: (973) 835-2133 http://www.tbe.net E-Mail: gary@tbe.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 8 11:45:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10077 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10063 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:45:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@boothman.easynet.co.uk) Received: (qmail 20200 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1998 18:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Boothman.easynet.co.uk) (194.154.100.117) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 18:44:58 -0000 Received: by Boothman.easynet.co.uk (VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:43:42 +0100 Message-ID: <35A3BDDE.4D7E04B7@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:43:42 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Russell CC: Allan Alford , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old EGA Video Card & Monitor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d Unregistered Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Russell wrote: > > Good point. Are you (Andrew) sure the EGA card works at all? > DIP switches set correctly? Wish I knew! The card worked in the 286 it was removed from, but no one can find a manual for it so I have no idea what the DIP switches do or what they should be set to. It seems to be displaying the BIOS copyright and "Keyboard detected" style messages OK though. -- Andrew Boothman http://www.boothman.easynet.co.uk/andrew/ PGP Key available from public servers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 8 11:46:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10363 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:46:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10085 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@boothman.easynet.co.uk) Received: (qmail 20185 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1998 18:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Boothman.easynet.co.uk) (194.154.100.117) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 18:44:56 -0000 Received: by Boothman.easynet.co.uk (VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:46:02 +0100 Message-ID: <35A3B05A.23BD8E84@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 18:46:02 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Alford CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Old EGA Video Card & Monitor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d Unregistered Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Allan Alford wrote: > > > You could well be right. But I can't even get the system to enter it's > > BIOS setup program, so I have no way to change this setting even if > > that's the problem. Another -hardware list member suggested that the > > BIOS setup program may use a VGA font, and that might prevent the setup > > program being used on EGA hardware. > > There is a faint possibility of that, but I have set up fairly modern > systems with Hercules mono cards/monitors when I was desparate. System > fonts usually don't assume vga/ega/etc. You have a menu option on AMIBIOS > to tell it what kind of graphics you have, and you couldn't well toggle > through those options if you can't see the font in the first place. You're right, I'm going to try an SVGA monitor/card back into the system to rule out that hardware from causing the problem. > > What would happen if I booted the machine with no drives? i.e. With > > nothing but a keyboard and video card/monitor? Would the machine enter > > its BIOS setup program OK? These questions may be BIOS specific so my > > BIOS is a AMIBIOS 1992 Version 1.00.03.BS0T > > This it totally doable. Are you getting any keyboard errors, btw? That > might explain the lack of F1 functionality as well. Nope. The keyboard is the original PS/2 GW2k that came with the system when it was new. It works on other systems and the BIOS seems to recognise it's presence when it's plugged in. -- Andrew Boothman http://www.boothman.easynet.co.uk/andrew/ PGP Key available from public servers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 8 19:10:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05294 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:10:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from monk.via.net (monk.via.net [209.81.9.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA05289 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@via.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by monk.via.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id TAA12235; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:08:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:08:51 -0700 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199807090208.TAA12235@monk.via.net> To: mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 Server vs. client adapter Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I believe the server adaptor has an I960 on board. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 8 23:59:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08787 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles309.castles.com [208.214.167.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA08778 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00347; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807090659.XAA00347@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Joe McGuckin cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 Server vs. client adapter In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:08:51 PDT." <199807090208.TAA12235@monk.via.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:59:24 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I believe the server adaptor has an I960 on board. Yes, it's a completely different animal. It's also about twenty times more expensive, IIRC. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 9 06:27:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13322 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:27:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ccsales.ccsales.com (ccsales.ccsales.com [207.137.172.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13317 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:27:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (b242.ecom.net [207.13.225.242]) by ccsales.ccsales.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA29571; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980709062331.00a3bb60@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 06:23:31 -0700 To: Mike Smith , Joe McGuckin From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 Server vs. client adapter Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199807090659.XAA00347@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Had to jump in on this one...these Intel EtherExpress Pro 100's have been flawless for me. The regular NE2000 compatibles have had their troubles here. I have not run into an Intel card that: 1. Didn't work. 2. Failed later. The cost of the adapters: NE2000 (regular) $14-16 Intel EEPro 100 $58-62 ...so the cost is 4 times as high...but well worth it. At 11:59 PM 7/8/98 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> >> I believe the server adaptor has an I960 on board. > >Yes, it's a completely different animal. It's also about twenty times >more expensive, IIRC. > >-- >\\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith >\\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au >\\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org >\\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 9 07:34:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20046 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:34:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19970 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01618 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:33:05 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA18942; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:33:30 +0800 Message-Id: <199807091433.WAA18942@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RealTek-based Ethernet chipsets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:33:30 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org They claim to have RTL8139 chips set that'll do 100Mbs in a PCI card. This is sold under the Skymaster name. Anybody have a clue if they're compatible with any of our drivers? The doco on the web site http://www.realtek.com.tw/cn/NEW/doc/RTL8139-new.htm is an EXE file, extracting out into a PDF file. I don't have a DOS box anywhere close by to extract it. Stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 9 09:00:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03676 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from symbion.srrc.usda.gov ([199.78.118.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03560 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glenn@nola.srrc.usda.gov) Received: from nola.srrc.usda.gov (localhost.srrc.usda.gov [127.0.0.1]) by symbion.srrc.usda.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26939; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:59:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from glenn@nola.srrc.usda.gov) Message-Id: <199807091559.KAA26939@symbion.srrc.usda.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Marc Rassbach cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Glenn Johnson Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 Server vs. client adapter In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Jul 1998 12:37:23 -0000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 10:59:20 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This is an interesting question. Could you be so kind as to forward a > summary to me on this one? > > > On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Glenn Johnson wrote: > >> I have convinced our network administrator to set up a FreeBSD server and I >> am recommending that he install an Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 NIC. When I >> visited the Intel web page, I saw that they have both Server adapter and >> Client adapter versions of the board. Are any of the extra features of the >> Server version usable under FreeBSD, or should we get the Client adapter >> version and save money? Thanks in advance. OK. Here is what I found out. Here is the URL for the server adapter: http://www.intel.com/network/doc/1868/index.html There are actually two versions of the "server" card. One has an 82556 chip and i960 processor, the other has just the 82556 controller chip. According to David Greenman: " If the "server" adapter is the one with the 82556 NIC, then it is not supported and will not work with FreeBSD." ^^^ ^^^ The client adapter uses the 82558 controller chip and this is the one supported in FreeBSD. I thank all who responded to this inquiry. One of the concerns our network administror had about "free" software was support. I told him that I get excellent support from the FreeBSD mailing lists. The quick and informative responses I got on this question are a testimonial to this. Thanks again. -- Glenn Johnson Technician USDA, ARS, SRRC New Orleans, LA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 9 10:24:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16324 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onyx.southwind.net (root@onyx.southwind.net [206.53.103.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16302 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:24:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sohel@southwind.net) Received: from southwind.net (ict24.southwind.net [206.53.100.24]) by onyx.southwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11271 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:24:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35A4FC9F.B3B54DF2@southwind.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:23:43 -0500 From: sohel Organization: N/A X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Newbie dumb question!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey Guys/Gals, I have a dumb newbie question regarding network cards. I have successfully configured a SMC EZ 10 card as NE2000 under my FreeBsd 2.2.1 and its working flawlessly. Now i see discussion about network card and their chipsets and processors. My question is how can find out these information by looking at my NICs that i have? How much information (processor..chip..manufacturer..make..model, MAC address etc) can be extracted by just looking at a network card and how?? I am asking for a little tutorial here. I would really appreciate your valuable information. Thank you. Best, sohel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 9 15:48:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09075 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.thinkwell.com (junior.thinkwell.com [207.8.90.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09070 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:48:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aa@thinkwell.com) Received: from localhost (aa@localhost) by junior.thinkwell.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA13331; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:51:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:51:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Allan Alford X-Sender: aa@junior To: sohel cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie dumb question!!! In-Reply-To: <35A4FC9F.B3B54DF2@southwind.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, sohel wrote: > Hey Guys/Gals, > > I have a dumb newbie question regarding network cards. I have > successfully configured a SMC EZ 10 card as NE2000 under my FreeBsd > 2.2.1 and its working flawlessly. Now i see discussion about network > card and their chipsets and processors. My question is how can find out > these information by looking at my NICs that i have? It depends largely upon two things: a) the individual manufacturer and b) whether or not the specific card is already included in the freebsd hardware list on their website. serial numbers and model numbers are often silk-screened in white on the green body of the card. also, the large square chip that is the 'main brain' of the card frequently has manufacturer name/numbers on it. get a model number and/or chipset, and cross-reference it with the list on the web site. sometimes the manufacturer's web site will give you more details as well. good luck. - allan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 9 16:26:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14734 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:26:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14728 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:26:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schofiel@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (root@xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.42]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA22111 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:26:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from excelsior (enterprise.xs4all.nl [194.109.14.215]) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA25067 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:26:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35A5518B.364B@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:26:03 +0200 From: Rob Schofield Reply-To: schofiel@xs4all.nl Organization: Knights of the Round Table, Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Oh dear... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes it's "We've been through this one before" time, so sorry in advance, guys. Although Fast Page and EDO memory are both DRAM, what's the real difference? Can EDO be parity, or non-parity? Or is this an oxymoron? Does the speed of EDO matter? If we have two FP and EDO blocks of the speed (say, 60ns), then which is better? Any opinions or comparisons would be welcome - but so would pointers to FAQs or decent comparitive articles so I can look it up myself. Thanks in advance, Rob Schofield To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 9 16:42:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16893 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:42:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geo.geocast.net (geo.geocast.net [128.177.240.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16884 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:42:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from castor@geocast.net) Received: from localhost (castor@localhost) by geo.geocast.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22046; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:42:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Castor Fu To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealTek-based Ethernet chipsets In-Reply-To: <199807091433.WAA18942@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > They claim to have RTL8139 chips set that'll do 100Mbs in a PCI card. This is > sold under the Skymaster name. Anybody have a clue if they're compatible with > any of our drivers? The doco on the web site > > http://www.realtek.com.tw/cn/NEW/doc/RTL8139-new.htm is an EXE file, > extracting out into a PDF file. I don't have a DOS box anywhere close by to > extract it. I'm pretty sure FreeBSD doesn't support it. I bought one of these for $20 at Fry's because I figured it'd be more of a pain to go back and get it, but it didn't autoconfig. Don Becker's group at NASA has a driver for Linux and he has a number of comments about how this is NOT something to get if you're at all interested in performance. I'd say spend the extra $15 and get a Netgear card which uses the DEC Tulip chipset if you're scrimping or spend $50 and get an Intel EtherExpress. This driver is for boards based on the RTL8129 and RTL8139 PCI ethernet chips. The author may be reached as becker@CESDIS.gsfc.nasa.gov, or C/O Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences Code 930.5, Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt MD 20771 Support and updates available at http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/rtl8139.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 9 17:03:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19434 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www1.asacomputers.com (gw2.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19421 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:03:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: from kedar.asacomputers.com (alan.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.86]) by www1.asacomputers.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA24882; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:05:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980710000045.00cb464c@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:00:45 -0700 To: schofiel@xs4all.nl From: Kedar Rajadnya Subject: Re: Oh dear... Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, This might, might not be exactly what you are looking for: http://www.kingston.com/tech/memo13.htm Kedar. At 01:26 AM 7/10/98 +0200, you wrote: >Yes it's "We've been through this one before" time, so sorry in advance, >guys. > >Although Fast Page and EDO memory are both DRAM, what's the real >difference? > >Can EDO be parity, or non-parity? Or is this an oxymoron? > >Does the speed of EDO matter? > >If we have two FP and EDO blocks of the speed (say, 60ns), then which is >better? > >Any opinions or comparisons would be welcome - but so would pointers to >FAQs or decent comparitive articles so I can look it up myself. > >Thanks in advance, > >Rob Schofield > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 10 21:17:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22315 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:17:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terror.hungry.com (qmailr@terror.hungry.com [199.181.107.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA22310 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toshok@hungry.com) From: toshok@hungry.com Received: (qmail 1861 invoked by uid 501); 11 Jul 1998 04:17:22 -0000 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: serial ports of toshiba libretto 100CT Date: 10 Jul 1998 21:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org anyone know how to see them? I have the PAO-980430 install (which works flawlessly in every other regard, I must say.) dmesg says: sio0 not found at 0x3f8 sio1 not found at 0x2f8 sio2 not found at 0x3e8 Thanks, Christoph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 11 10:36:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22299 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from clifford.inch.com (omar@clifford.inch.com [207.240.140.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22290 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from omar@clifford.inch.com) Received: (from omar@localhost) by clifford.inch.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12878; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:33:40 -0400 Message-ID: <19980711133340.A12836@clifford.inch.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:33:40 -0400 From: Omar Thameen To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64M SIMM differences References: <19980619134635.A21640@clifford.inch.com> <199806210259.UAA20389@panzer.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199806210259.UAA20389@panzer.plutotech.com>; from Kenneth D. Merry on Sat, Jun 20, 1998 at 08:59:22PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 20, 1998 at 08:59:22PM -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > Omar Thameen wrote... > > In addition to all the parity/nonparity, EDO issues, I've been made > > aware that there are 2 types of 64M SIMMs - one has 8 chips on it and > > the other has 32 chips. > > > > Is there a difference in performance for these two types? The fact > > that the 32 chip 64M SIMM is half the price of the 8 chip version > > indicates one thing, but OTOH I called Kingston and their tech > > support told me that the SIMMs perform the same. > > I think the performance will be the same for the two types of > SIMMs, but the thing to remember is that some motherboards can't take the > ones with more chips. In particular, most ASUS boards need SIMMs with 25 > chips or less each. > > So, if you've got an ASUS board or if your manufacturer says > something about it, get the SIMMs with the lower chip count. > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Merry > ken@plutotech.com Sorry for the delay in following-up, but I still wanted to let you all know how it turned out. We did have ASUS motherboards, and after Ken pointed out the dependency, we went to the website. The spec's said that they could take up to 100 chips on the SIMMs. We ordered one set of 64M SIMMs with 24 chips/SIMM and another set with 8 chips/SIMM. The 24 chip SIMMs were just plain ugly, looking like two 32M SIMMs on top of each other. We tried them since the 4x24 = 96 was under the 100 chip limit, but found our machine rebooting every hour and a half, presumably coinciding with more SIMM memory being used. We replaced them with the 8 chip SIMMs, and haven't had a problem since. Omar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 11 19:27:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06784 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:27:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from monk.via.net (monk.via.net [209.81.9.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA06772 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:27:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@via.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by monk.via.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id TAA15941; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:26:32 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:26:32 -0700 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199807120226.TAA15941@monk.via.net> To: omar@clifford.inch.com Subject: Re: 64M SIMM differences Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recently saw some 256M SDRAMS. They were composed of two layers of 64Meg parts stacked on top of each other. Looked neat. Now I can get 1G into any motherboard that has 4 memory slots. They were very expensive. About twice the price of 2 128M SDRAM parts. joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message