From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 6 06:17:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16129 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 06:17:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frida.mra.si ([193.2.116.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16109; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 06:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brane@mra.si) Received: from frida.mra.si (frida.mra.si [193.2.116.133]) by frida.mra.si (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12310; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:25:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from brane@mra.si) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:25:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Branko Kmetec To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PCMCIA cards Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have LEO 5200 notebook with Compex LinkPort 10MB and Rockwel V.34 fax/modem PCMCIA Cards. Are these PCMCIA cards supported by FreeBSD? Anybody have experience with similar hardware? Brane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 6 10:38:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06799 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:38:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roam.psg.com (roam.psg.com [147.28.2.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA06793 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: by roam.psg.com id m0zFiih-00000CC; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:35:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail3.2.0.96#1) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sharp a100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org anyone running on a sharp a100 laptop? randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 6 17:59:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18164 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18149 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:59:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA03910; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:58:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA26679; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:58:51 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:58:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199809070058.CAA26679@surf.IAE.nl> To: brane@mra.si Subject: Re: PCMCIA cards X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: Organization: Internet Access Eindhoven, the Netherlands Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article you write: >I have LEO 5200 notebook with Compex LinkPort 10MB and Rockwel V.34 >fax/modem PCMCIA Cards. Are these PCMCIA cards supported by FreeBSD? >Anybody have experience with similar hardware? My lowbrand laptop works perfectly with the Compex LinkPort ANET 10Mb PCcard. I'll have to fire up my laptop if you need the configs, but it was reasonably straightforward, once I got a kernel with PCcard stuff. It is a NE compatible de0 device. --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 6 19:27:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00179 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00174 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:27:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id UAA28199; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:21:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:21:24 -0600 (MDT) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199809070221.UAA28199@narnia.plutotech.com> To: spork cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buslogic/Mylex HAs Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article you wrote: > > On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >> The BT-948, as well as all MultiMaster products, are supported by FreeBSD. >> There is even a new, more feature rich, driver for these cards in the CAM >> SCSI layer which will be integrated into -current a few weeks from now. > > Interesting, Netscape under FreeBSD just does not like the Mylex website. > I eventually found a link to the 958. We have all 948s now, and they've > been very well-behaved, I'm assuming I can expect the same with the 958? Yes. The 958 should be well behaved. It is not the fastest adapter you can use though. > Will CAM be back-ported to -stable, or is it just best to wait for 3.0? CAM is already available for -stable: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam/... > What are some of the advantages I'd see with this particular card? It has a wide port? 8-) I'd personally use an aic7890 based adapter for your particular configuration. The command overhead for these adapters is much lower than for the Mylex cards. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 6 21:21:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10996 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bmccane.maxbaud.net (baud225.maxbaud.net [12.13.66.225] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10990 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:21:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by bmccane.maxbaud.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA23491 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:20:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:20:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Wm Brian McCane To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Modem Lockups Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, I have a machine with 3-33.6 Modems in it for dialins. About every 3rd or 4th time, the second modem locks up. Mgetty cannot get it to reset. I can `cu' to it but everything I type is ignored. Basically, is there anything when it gets in this state to make it recover? brian Specifics Intel Pentium OverDrive 83.33MHz 32MB RAM -current as of yesterday (started with older version) 3 - 33.6 Atlas Fax/Data modems ttyd1 0x2f8, 3 ttyd2 0x3e8, 7 (LPT1 disabled) ttyd3 0x2e8, 12 (No Mouse port) Mgetty 1.1.16 set to use modems in data-only mode To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 6 22:21:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17745 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17737 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA27072; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:21:01 +1000 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:21:01 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199809070521.PAA27072@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, root@bmccane.maxbaud.net Subject: Re: Modem Lockups Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have a machine with 3-33.6 Modems in it for dialins. About >every 3rd or 4th time, the second modem locks up. Mgetty cannot get it to >reset. I can `cu' to it but everything I type is ignored. Basically, is >there anything when it gets in this state to make it recover? > > brian > > Specifics > >Intel Pentium OverDrive 83.33MHz >32MB RAM >-current as of yesterday (started with older version) >3 - 33.6 Atlas Fax/Data modems > ttyd1 0x2f8, 3 > ttyd2 0x3e8, 7 (LPT1 disabled) > ttyd3 0x2e8, 12 (No Mouse port) Are you sure irq7 is really disabled? lpt0 normally uses it. Swap hardware to eliminate possibility of bugs in the second modem. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 7 07:05:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06448 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from raven.ravenbrook.com (ravenbrook-gw.beyond2000.co.uk [193.123.246.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06438 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from raven.ravenbrook.com (nb@raven.ravenbrook.com [193.112.142.1]) by raven.ravenbrook.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA26998; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:04:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nb@raven.ravenbrook.com) From: Nick Barnes To: Rob Hartill cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Dell Inspiron 3000/3200 portable Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:04:29 +0100 Message-ID: <26994.905177069@raven.ravenbrook.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did you get any reply to this? > Anyone have any success/horror stories regarding FreeBSD on a Dell > Inspiron 3000 or 3200 ? I have an Inspiron 3000 on which I would like to install FreeBSD. The main problem seems to be the NeoMagic display chipset. Because NeoMagic don't publish their specs, XFree86 doesn't support it. Jeff Shorey has done a port: . RedHat have done a binary-only port for Linux:. And Xi Graphics have a $200 X server which supports NeoMagic. I haven't even started to think about the network/modem card. Nick B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 7 08:52:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17501 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:52:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bmccane.maxbaud.net (baud225.maxbaud.net [12.13.66.225] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17496 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:52:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by bmccane.maxbaud.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00767; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:52:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:52:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Wm Brian McCane To: Bruce Evans cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Modem Lockups In-Reply-To: <199809070521.PAA27072@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Bruce Evans wrote: > > I have a machine with 3-33.6 Modems in it for dialins. About > >every 3rd or 4th time, the second modem locks up. Mgetty cannot get it to > >reset. I can `cu' to it but everything I type is ignored. Basically, is > >there anything when it gets in this state to make it recover? > > > > brian > > > > Specifics > > > >Intel Pentium OverDrive 83.33MHz > >32MB RAM > >-current as of yesterday (started with older version) > >3 - 33.6 Atlas Fax/Data modems > > ttyd1 0x2f8, 3 > > ttyd2 0x3e8, 7 (LPT1 disabled) > > ttyd3 0x2e8, 12 (No Mouse port) > > Are you sure irq7 is really disabled? lpt0 normally uses it. Swap hardware > to eliminate possibility of bugs in the second modem. > > Bruce > Yes, I am sure. This computer is so old that it doesn't lpt0 on the motherboard. I have a IDE card installed, not a Multi-IO card. There are no com ports or printer ports in this machine (unless you count the modems). I do have an old SB-16 installed, but not being used/recognized. It is there to provide the 2ndary IDE bus for my CD-ROM. brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 7 09:13:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20508 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20481 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA21343; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:12:53 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35F405E7.8386CB7F@tdx.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 17:12:23 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wm Brian McCane CC: Bruce Evans , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Modem Lockups References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wm Brian McCane wrote: > > Are you sure irq7 is really disabled? lpt0 normally uses it. Swap hardware > > to eliminate possibility of bugs in the second modem. > > > > Bruce > > > Yes, I am sure. This computer is so old that it doesn't lpt0 on the > motherboard. I have a IDE card installed, not a Multi-IO card. There are > no com ports or printer ports in this machine (unless you count the > modems). I do have an old SB-16 installed, but not being used/recognized. > It is there to provide the 2ndary IDE bus for my CD-ROM. Didn't SB16's used to ship using IRQ7 by default? - This often used to clash with printer ports (the only reason it would 'sometimes' work is because LPT ports don't use the IRQ 99% of the time for 'standard' mode / printing ;-) Try making sure the SB16 isn't using IRQ7, or try removing it, and see if they still lockup then... Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 7 10:04:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28470 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28425 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:04:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:iN3Oqb9BvChGl9Cmp3vR5d37Vobi4HBI@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA29296; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:03:06 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199809071703.TAA29296@gratis.grondar.za> To: Wm Brian McCane cc: Bruce Evans , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Modem Lockups In-Reply-To: Your message of " Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:52:09 EST." References: Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:03:02 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wm Brian McCane wrote: > > Are you sure irq7 is really disabled? lpt0 normally uses it. Swap hardwar e > > to eliminate possibility of bugs in the second modem. > > > > Bruce > > > Yes, I am sure. This computer is so old that it doesn't lpt0 on the > motherboard. I have a IDE card installed, not a Multi-IO card. There are > no com ports or printer ports in this machine (unless you count the > modems). I do have an old SB-16 installed, but not being used/recognized. > It is there to provide the 2ndary IDE bus for my CD-ROM. Call me crazy, but check that the sound card is not on IRQ 7. I know it is uninitialised, but old hardware is funny... If necessary, put a piece of sticky tape over IRQ7 on the card to make sure. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 7 14:00:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04544 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bmccane.maxbaud.net (baud225.maxbaud.net [12.13.66.225] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04509 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:00:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by bmccane.maxbaud.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04702; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:59:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:59:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Wm Brian McCane To: Mark Murray cc: Bruce Evans , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Modem Lockups In-Reply-To: <199809071703.TAA29296@gratis.grondar.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Mark Murray wrote: > Wm Brian McCane wrote: > > > Are you sure irq7 is really disabled? lpt0 normally uses it. Swap hardwar > e > > > to eliminate possibility of bugs in the second modem. > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > Yes, I am sure. This computer is so old that it doesn't lpt0 on the > > motherboard. I have a IDE card installed, not a Multi-IO card. There are > > no com ports or printer ports in this machine (unless you count the > > modems). I do have an old SB-16 installed, but not being used/recognized. > > It is there to provide the 2ndary IDE bus for my CD-ROM. > > Call me crazy, but check that the sound card is not on IRQ 7. I know > it is uninitialised, but old hardware is funny... > > If necessary, put a piece of sticky tape over IRQ7 on the card to make > sure. > > M > -- > Mark Murray > Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org > SB16 is set for IRQs 5, 10 and 15. Don't understand the 5 AND 10, but the 15 is for the IDE. I am now seeing occasional lockups on /dev/ttyd1 which is standard IRQ 3. Any other ideas? I am trying the "comcontrol" function, setting the dtrwait to 500 msec and drainwait to 180 msec. I was wondering if it might help to enable the "losses output interrupts" code in the kernel by setting the appropriate flag. Unfortunately, it is either 0x40000 or 0x00008 according to what I have seen in the code. During closer inspection this code looks a lot like Uwe Doering's FAS drivers for SCO/ISC/etal. Is this corect? I used to use that on ISC and never had these kinds of problems. brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 7 19:37:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18292 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:37:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from theprisoner.net (niggaz.org [206.251.12.128] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18287 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:37:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@theprisoner.net) Received: from localhost (freebsd@localhost) by theprisoner.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00770 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@theprisoner.net) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:39:02 -0700 (PDT) From: FreeBSD To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IDE TIMEOUTS and other MISC problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've been noticing some "errors" for the last few months with my drives. I am going to try to provide as much information as I can so that I don't bother you with any stupid questions. First, if the drives partition have no been accessed in a while (minutes/hours), it takes about 5 seconds to get an access performed. For instance, /saved/system1/ has not been accessed, and an "ls /saved/system1/log.4" would hang for quite awhile, and finally report its results. My first assumption is that it has to do with the timeout messages I've been getting in my syslog. > wd2: interrupt timeout: > wd2: status 50 error 1 I looked on the documentation on www.freebsd.org and searched for ide timeouts, and found some information about a workaround for a CMD640 timeout problem dealing with not being able to handle both channels as once. 4.4. What's up with this CMD640 IDE controller? It's broken. It cannot handle commands on both channels simultaneously. There's a workaround available now and it is enabled automatically if your system uses this chip. For the details refer to the manual page of the disk driver (man 4 wd). If you're already running FreeBSD 2.2.1 or 2.2.2 with a CMD640 IDE controller and you want to use the second channel, build a new kernel with options "CMD640" enabled. This is the default for 2.2.5 and later. Now, I looked into my kernel config from the last time I compiled it, and I do have that enabled. bash# grep CMD640 KNIGHT options "CMD640" # work around CMD640 chip deficiency So what could be causing this problem, and is there another resource with information about this specific problem? I've done quite a bit searching, and I'm sorry if I overlooked something that was obvious. Knight To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 7 22:05:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01896 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:05:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tuan.cse.rmit.EDU.AU (tuan.cse.rmit.edu.au [131.170.118.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01875 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:05:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from s9507886@tuan.cse.rmit.EDU.AU) Received: from dropbear.cse.rmit.EDU.AU (s9507886@dropbear.cse.rmit.edu.au [131.170.118.20]) by tuan.cse.rmit.EDU.AU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02721; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:05:09 +1000 (EST) Received: (s9507886@localhost) by dropbear.cse.rmit.EDU.AU (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA12753; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:05:03 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:05:03 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199809080505.PAA12753@dropbear.cse.rmit.EDU.AU> From: Tony Alexander Frank To: freebsd@theprisoner.net CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from FreeBSD on Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:39:02 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: IDE TIMEOUTS and other MISC problems Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > First, if the drives partition have no been accessed in a while > (minutes/hours), it takes about 5 seconds to get an access performed. For > instance, /saved/system1/ has not been accessed, and an "ls > /saved/system1/log.4" would hang for quite awhile, and finally report its > results. > > My first assumption is that it has to do with the timeout messages I've > been getting in my syslog. Do you have anything like power management on your system? Perhaps your bios is doing some kind of power management, and shutting your drive down? (I know this happens on some of my systems with "other" O/S's installed) -- | Tony Frank | Mobile: +61-412-481-029 | | 4th Year Computer Systems Engineering | Fax: +61-3-9720-4672 | | RMIT, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia | Email: s9507886@cse.rmit.edu.au | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 7 22:45:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05138 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:45:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from EventHorizon.STARDreams.org (maccess-01-017.magna.com.au [203.111.85.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05130 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:45:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevla@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au) Received: from EventHorizon (maccess-01-017.magna.com.au [203.111.85.17]) by EventHorizon.STARDreams.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 319; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:45:36 +1000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980908154521.00990490@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au> X-Sender: kevla@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 15:45:21 +1000 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kevin Lam Subject: Slow 3C905A-TX under -SNAP Cc: mcdougall@ameritech.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I seem to have a problem with the transmission rates to and from a FreeBSD 3.0-19980831-SNAP box using a 3Com 905A-TX NIC, and I was wondering if anybody could possibly shed some light on the situation. 10.144.144.1 is an NT workstation (*cough* excuse me ;) running a ftpd, using a 3Com 905B-TX, with no problems. It's the nearest convenient test box I could grab in a pinch :P For test purposes, I loaded the FreeBSD box with a well-supported generic PCI Realtek NE2000-compatible NIC. All tests were performed with standard Category 5 UTP cable and an SMC EtherEZ hub at 10Mbps half-duplex, this setup hasn't caused any problems in other situations. ed1: rev 0x00 int a irq 10 on pci0.10.0 ed1: address 00:40:05:66:90:5d, type NE2000 (16 bit) 10.144.144.1 sending to Realtek 8029 (device ed1) ftp> get ports.tgz local: ports.tgz remote: ports.tgz 200 Port command okay. 150 Sending "/ports/ports.tgz" (6334320 bytes). Mode STREAM Type BINARY. 100% |**************************************************| 6185 KB 00:00 ETA 226 Transfer finished successfully. Data connection closed. 6334320 bytes received in 6.52 seconds (948.64 KB/s) 10.144.144.1 receiving from Realtek 8029 (device ed1) ftp> get ports.tgz 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'ports.tgz' (6334320 bytes). 226 Transfer complete. 6334320 bytes received in 5.61 seconds (1129.51 Kbytes/sec) All seems well, SO FAR. Performance is roughly about what you'd normally expect from 10BaseT Ethernet, as this test was made to ascertain. However, the following results happen after I exchange the Realtek NIC for a 3C905A-TX, which is the NIC I hope to be using on a regular basis with the FreeBSD box. xl0: <3Com 3c905 Fast Etherlink XL 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x00 int a irq 10 on pci0.10.0 xl0: Ethernet address: 00:60:97:37:93:3a xl0: autoneg complete, link status good 10.144.144.1 sending to 3C905A (device xl0) ftp> get ports.tgz local: ports.tgz remote: ports.tgz 200 Port command okay. 150 Sending "/ports/ports.tgz" (6334320 bytes). Mode STREAM Type BINARY. 100% |**************************************************| 6185 KB 00:00 ETA 226 Transfer finished successfully. Data connection closed. 6334320 bytes received in 186.34 seconds (33.20 KB/s) 10.144.144.1 receiving from 3C905A (device xl0) ftp> get ports.tgz 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'ports.tgz' (6334320 bytes). 226 Transfer complete. 6334320 bytes received in 761.84 seconds (8.31 Kbytes/sec) The network performs well until I switch the Realtek for the 3C905A in the FreeBSD box, then it drops out of the bucket... somehow, I don't think 33KB/sec is what you'd realistically expect from 10BaseT ;) I have previously used this particular 3C905A with FreeBSD -RELEASEs dating all the way back to 2.2.5 last year, with no problems whatsoever, this has only just become apparent in the move to the xl0 driver. I've already tried downloading the newest versions of the drivers (September 6th) from http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/3Com/3.0, and compiling a custom kernel with them, but it doesn't seem to make any difference with kernel.GENERIC, the stock 3.0-SNAP drivers, or the latest drivers. Hub lights indicate a very low level of activity, if at all. Traffic is bursty, and very, VERY slow. However, the strangest thing is, I performed an FTP install under the same conditions using the 3Com 905A and device xl0, and during the FTP installation, I was getting normal Ethernet transfer rates - not 30KB/sec. I've attempted to revert to the vx0 drivers, which have served me well in the past, but under 3.0 they apparently fail to detect the 905 series (detection disabled in favor of xl0, I guess). -- K To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 8 00:08:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13369 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles249.castles.com [208.214.165.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13356 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15436; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:14:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809080714.AAA15436@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: FreeBSD cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE TIMEOUTS and other MISC problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:39:02 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 00:14:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hi, > > I've been noticing some "errors" for the last few months with my drives. > I am going to try to provide as much information as I can so that I don't > bother you with any stupid questions. > > > First, if the drives partition have no been accessed in a while > (minutes/hours), it takes about 5 seconds to get an access performed. For > instance, /saved/system1/ has not been accessed, and an "ls > /saved/system1/log.4" would hang for quite awhile, and finally report its > results. > > My first assumption is that it has to do with the timeout messages I've > been getting in my syslog. > > > wd2: interrupt timeout: > > wd2: status 50 error 1 > > I looked on the documentation on www.freebsd.org and searched for ide > timeouts, and found some information about a workaround for a CMD640 > timeout problem dealing with not being able to handle both channels as > once. No, this probably has to do with your disks spinning down. You may be able to turn this off in your BIOS setup. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 8 04:05:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10364 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 04:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from EventHorizon.STARDreams.org (maccess-01-017.magna.com.au [203.111.85.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA10287; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 04:05:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevla@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au) Received: from EventHorizon (maccess-01-017.magna.com.au [203.111.85.17]) by EventHorizon.STARDreams.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 248; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:05:47 +1000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980908210541.00955500@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au> X-Sender: kevla@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:05:41 +1000 To: Mike Smith From: Kevin Lam Subject: Re: Slow 3C905A-TX under -SNAP Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mcdougall@ameritech.net, wpaul@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809080738.AAA15575@word.smith.net.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 00:38 9/8/98 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >It would be useful to start by seeing the interface stats ('netstat >-i') with the 905, in case you're seeing lots of noise. Also the >output of 'ifconfig xl0'. Firstly, thanks to all concerned for the swift and timely response.. *sheepish grin* But the problem seems to have mysteriously solved itself without operator intervention. The only things that changed during this time were four hours.. and that was it. No kernel changes, no driver changes on either end, both systems up throughout the four hours. In 10BaseT half-duplex mode: 226 Transfer finished successfully. Data connection closed. 221453084 bytes received in 211.14 seconds (1.00 MB/s) In 100BaseTX full-duplex mode: 226 Transfer finished successfully. Data connection closed. 6334320 bytes received in 0.99 seconds (6391.85 Kbytes/sec) "That looks about right" My sincere apologies if this has unduly inconvenienced anybody. Thanks once again :) -- K To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 8 05:54:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA25061 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:54:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from theprisoner.net (niggaz.org [206.251.12.128] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25055 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@theprisoner.net) Received: from localhost (freebsd@localhost) by theprisoner.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA29624; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:55:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@theprisoner.net) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:55:55 -0700 (PDT) From: FreeBSD To: Tony Alexander Frank , Mike Smith cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE TIMEOUTS and other MISC problems In-Reply-To: <199809080505.PAA12753@dropbear.cse.rmit.EDU.AU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank you Tony and Mike. I am not currently where my server is located, but I will take a look at it as soon as I am. Much appreciated. knight On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Tony Alexander Frank wrote: > Hi, > > > First, if the drives partition have no been accessed in a while > > (minutes/hours), it takes about 5 seconds to get an access performed. For > > instance, /saved/system1/ has not been accessed, and an "ls > > /saved/system1/log.4" would hang for quite awhile, and finally report its > > results. > > > > My first assumption is that it has to do with the timeout messages I've > > been getting in my syslog. > > Do you have anything like power management on your system? Perhaps your > bios is doing some kind of power management, and shutting your drive down? > > (I know this happens on some of my systems with "other" O/S's installed) > > -- > | Tony Frank | Mobile: +61-412-481-029 | > | 4th Year Computer Systems Engineering | Fax: +61-3-9720-4672 | > | RMIT, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia | Email: s9507886@cse.rmit.edu.au | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 8 06:06:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26241 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:06:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26225; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul) From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199809081306.GAA26225@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Slow 3C905A-TX under -SNAP In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980908210541.00955500@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au> from Kevin Lam at "Sep 8, 98 09:05:41 pm" To: kevla@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au (Kevin Lam) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 00:38 9/8/98 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > >It would be useful to start by seeing the interface stats ('netstat > >-i') with the 905, in case you're seeing lots of noise. Also the > >output of 'ifconfig xl0'. > > Firstly, thanks to all concerned for the swift and timely response.. > > *sheepish grin* > > But the problem seems to have mysteriously solved itself without operator > intervention. The only things that changed during this time were four > hours.. and that was it. No kernel changes, no driver changes on either > end, both systems up throughout the four hours. The symptoms you described sound a lot like the the 3c905's duplex mode wasn't set to match that of the NIC on the other side. In your first message, you showed the following: > xl0: autoneg complete, link status good This is actually wrong: it's supposed to tell you the speed and duplex mode that was selected on this same line. The fact that it didn't means that the duplex setting was probably programmed incorrectly by the driver. Sometimes, the 3c905-TX adapters take too long to finish autonegotiation; the driver only waits about 3 seconds for it to complete, and in some cases this isn't long enough. The latest driver revision in -current waits 5 seconds, which seems to work better. As a workaround, you can use ifconfig to force the adapter into a given mode so that it will work correctly with its link partner. To select 10Mbps/half-duplex, use: # ifconfig xl0 media 10baseT/UTP mediaopt half-duplex For 100Mbps/full-duplex: # ifconfig xl0 media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex You can use other combinations as well. -Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 8 09:03:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23328 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:03:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles301.castles.com [208.214.167.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23312; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:03:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15575; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809080738.AAA15575@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Kevin Lam cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mcdougall@ameritech.net, wpaul@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slow 3C905A-TX under -SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Sep 1998 15:45:21 +1000." <3.0.3.32.19980908154521.00990490@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 00:38:04 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (Bill, not sure if you're on -hardware) It would be useful to start by seeing the interface stats ('netstat -i') with the 905, in case you're seeing lots of noise. Also the output of 'ifconfig xl0'. > I seem to have a problem with the transmission rates to and from a FreeBSD > 3.0-19980831-SNAP box using a 3Com 905A-TX NIC, and I was wondering if > anybody could possibly shed some light on the situation. > > 10.144.144.1 is an NT workstation (*cough* excuse me ;) running a ftpd, > using a 3Com 905B-TX, with no problems. It's the nearest convenient test > box I could grab in a pinch :P > > > For test purposes, I loaded the FreeBSD box with a well-supported generic > PCI Realtek NE2000-compatible NIC. All tests were performed with standard > Category 5 UTP cable and an SMC EtherEZ hub at 10Mbps half-duplex, this > setup hasn't caused any problems in other situations. > > ed1: rev 0x00 int a irq 10 on pci0.10.0 > ed1: address 00:40:05:66:90:5d, type NE2000 (16 bit) > > 10.144.144.1 sending to Realtek 8029 (device ed1) > > ftp> get ports.tgz > local: ports.tgz remote: ports.tgz > 200 Port command okay. > 150 Sending "/ports/ports.tgz" (6334320 bytes). Mode STREAM Type BINARY. > 100% |**************************************************| 6185 KB 00:00 > ETA > 226 Transfer finished successfully. Data connection closed. > 6334320 bytes received in 6.52 seconds (948.64 KB/s) > > 10.144.144.1 receiving from Realtek 8029 (device ed1) > > ftp> get ports.tgz > 200 PORT command successful. > 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'ports.tgz' (6334320 bytes). > 226 Transfer complete. > 6334320 bytes received in 5.61 seconds (1129.51 Kbytes/sec) > > All seems well, SO FAR. Performance is roughly about what you'd normally > expect from 10BaseT Ethernet, as this test was made to ascertain. However, > the following results happen after I exchange the Realtek NIC for a > 3C905A-TX, which is the NIC I hope to be using on a regular basis with the > FreeBSD box. > > xl0: <3Com 3c905 Fast Etherlink XL 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x00 int a irq 10 on > pci0.10.0 > xl0: Ethernet address: 00:60:97:37:93:3a > xl0: autoneg complete, link status good > > 10.144.144.1 sending to 3C905A (device xl0) > > ftp> get ports.tgz > local: ports.tgz remote: ports.tgz > 200 Port command okay. > 150 Sending "/ports/ports.tgz" (6334320 bytes). Mode STREAM Type BINARY. > 100% |**************************************************| 6185 KB 00:00 > ETA > 226 Transfer finished successfully. Data connection closed. > 6334320 bytes received in 186.34 seconds (33.20 KB/s) > > 10.144.144.1 receiving from 3C905A (device xl0) > > ftp> get ports.tgz > 200 PORT command successful. > 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'ports.tgz' (6334320 bytes). > 226 Transfer complete. > 6334320 bytes received in 761.84 seconds (8.31 Kbytes/sec) > > > The network performs well until I switch the Realtek for the 3C905A in the > FreeBSD box, then it drops out of the bucket... somehow, I don't think > 33KB/sec is what you'd realistically expect from 10BaseT ;) I have > previously used this particular 3C905A with FreeBSD -RELEASEs dating all > the way back to 2.2.5 last year, with no problems whatsoever, this has only > just become apparent in the move to the xl0 driver. I've already tried > downloading the newest versions of the drivers (September 6th) from > http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/3Com/3.0, and compiling a custom kernel with > them, but it doesn't seem to make any difference with kernel.GENERIC, the > stock 3.0-SNAP drivers, or the latest drivers. > > Hub lights indicate a very low level of activity, if at all. Traffic is > bursty, and very, VERY slow. > > However, the strangest thing is, I performed an FTP install under the same > conditions using the 3Com 905A and device xl0, and during the FTP > installation, I was getting normal Ethernet transfer rates - not 30KB/sec. > > I've attempted to revert to the vx0 drivers, which have served me well in > the past, but under 3.0 they apparently fail to detect the 905 series > (detection disabled in favor of xl0, I guess). > > -- > K > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 8 10:00:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04495 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from laker.net (jet.laker.net [205.245.74.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04469 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:00:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfriedri@laker.net) Received: from nt (digital-pbi-167.laker.net [208.0.233.67]) by laker.net (8.9.0/8.9.LAKERNET.NO-SPAM.SPAMMERS.AND.RELAYS.WILL.BE.TRACKED.AND.PROSECUTED.) with SMTP id NAA08948 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:00:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199809081700.NAA08948@laker.net> From: "Steve Friedrich" To: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:00:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Steve Friedrich" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Availability of CPU chips... Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know of a good source for discounted (lowest price) CPU chips. I build my own systems and I like to buy CPUs seperate from moboards. I know of many places that charge near list price. I'm looking for a hobbyist type place, that will fill small orders. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 8 11:12:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17041 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ryouko.nas.nasa.gov (ryouko.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.34.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17034 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:12:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greg@nas.nasa.gov) Received: from ryouko.nas.nasa.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ryouko.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.7/NAS.6.1) with ESMTP id LAA27352; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809081812.LAA27352@ryouko.nas.nasa.gov> To: "Steve Friedrich" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Availability of CPU chips... In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:00:39 EDT." <199809081700.NAA08948@laker.net> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 11:12:05 -0700 From: "Gregory P. Smith" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try searching on www.pricewatch.com > Does anyone know of a good source for discounted (lowest price) CPU > chips. I build my own systems and I like to buy CPUs seperate from > moboards. I know of many places that charge near list price. I'm > looking for a hobbyist type place, that will fill small orders. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 9 09:32:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06788 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:32:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles197.castles.com [208.214.165.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06783 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03008; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:38:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809091638.JAA03008@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Michael Richards cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Drive problem? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Sep 1998 12:19:15 -0300." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 09:38:25 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I realise this isn't a SCSI drive, but all the same... If it's not a SCSI problem, why not post it to -hardware (where I've redirected this). Don't apologise for using the wrong list - use the right one. > While doing a buildworld I got: > wd0: interrupt timeout: > wd0: status 58 error 0 > wd0: wdtimeout() DMA status 4 > > This is a Brand-Spanking-New Quantum drive. It misbahaves in NT because NT > thinks it's 8025mb when it's only 5.1 gigs, but it wouldn't be the first > time that a Mirco$oft product didn't work right. Does the disk make ugly "clunk" noises before you get this message? We tend to time out on IDE disks before they've finished trying to handle a hard error. Put the disk in another system, dd over it (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ wd1) and then try again. It may have an unrecoverable read error, in which case this should let it reallocate the block and move on. The disk may also be completely stuffed, in which case you should return it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 9 20:59:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22764 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:59:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from laker.net (jet.laker.net [205.245.74.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22749; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:59:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfriedri@laker.net) Received: from nt (digital-pbi-141.laker.net [208.0.233.41]) by laker.net (8.9.0/8.9.LAKERNET.NO-SPAM.SPAMMERS.AND.RELAYS.WILL.BE.TRACKED.AND.PROSECUTED.) with SMTP id XAA28914; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:59:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199809100359.XAA28914@laker.net> From: "Steve Friedrich" To: "Craig Beasland" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" , "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:59:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Steve Friedrich" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: High speed serial cards Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:24:10 +0800, Craig Beasland wrote: >we need a high speed serial card to run it at 230400. There's also a freebsd-hardware list, I believe. So you might want to ask there. Probably more hardware geeks (like me) over there anyway. I haven't used any sio above 115K myself... Also, maybe check the Internet, like www.tomshardware.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 10 12:27:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04901 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:27:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04860 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:27:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA16767 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma016765; Thu Sep 10 12:26:39 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA02835 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:26:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199809101926.MAA02835@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: laptop To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:26:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have any success/failure stories regarding running FreeBSD on this laptop ? Model WinBook XLi CPU Intel mobile module Pentuim II Chipset Intel 440BX/FW82371EB(PIIX4e) Display Trident 9397 with 4 MB SGRAM Soundcard ESS 1869 SoundBlaster Pro, MS Sound System I/O Chipset National Semiconductor NS87338 All specs: http://12.2.252.108/wbcommerce/techxli.html Thanks, -Arcie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 11 00:18:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23807 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gate.bulinfo.net (gate.bulinfo.net [195.10.36.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23772 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from krassi@bulinfo.net) Received: (qmail 28241 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1998 07:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bulinfo.net) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 07:18:30 -0000 Message-ID: <35F8CEC7.B9545E48@bulinfo.net> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:18:32 +0300 From: Krassimir Slavchev Organization: Bulinfo Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fujitsu M2512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I have SCSI controler AHA1522 and Fujitsu M2512A optical disk and don't configure it. aic0 at 0x340-0x35f irq 9 on isa (aic0:1:0): "FUJITSU M2512A 1303" type 0 removable SCSI 1 uk0(aic0:1:0): Unknown Can everybody help me ? Thanx Krassimir Slavchev krassi@bulinfo.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 11 12:29:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23336 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:29:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23310 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01311 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:29:17 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: "Cacheable memory"?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We're split here between whether to go with the new AMD K6-2 or the Pentium II as our new standard build. The pros and cons are pretty simple: Pentium II: Less L2 cache (512K max) Good, stable ASUS mainboards available (we've had excellent results with Asus so far) 100MHz bus AMD K6-2: Up to 1MB L2 cache No time-tested mainboards available (the Asus model only does 384M and only offers 512K cache) 100MHz bus Now how much difference does the L2 cache make in a typical web/mail/news server? What is meant by the term "cacheable memory"? ie: "with 512K cache you have 64MB cacheable memory" or "with 1M cache, you have 128MB cacheable memory". I've also heard things like "this motherboard can only cache 64MB of memory"... What does it mean? What's the real world impact? Thanks, Charles Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 11 14:24:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13058 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:24:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lodgenet.com (cline.lodgenet.com [204.124.122.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13051 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lee.mckenna@lodgenet.com) Received: from chaplin.lodgenet.com (chaplin.lodgenet.com [10.0.104.215]) by lodgenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25428 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:24:14 -0500 Received: by chaplin.lodgenet.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDDDA0.B6B56910@chaplin.lodgenet.com>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:24:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: "McKenna, Lee" To: "'freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: SB Awe 64 Gold & ATI All-in-wonder TV drivers? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:24:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just subscribed to this list today, so pardon my abrupt interuption... Are there drivers out for the following devices: Sound Blaster Awe 64 Gold ATI All-In-Wonder Pro (with TV Tuner) I know 4fron-tech.com has OSS drivers that support the Awe 64, but thought I would ask if thats the best way to go to support all the features of the Awe 64 Gold card -- sound, synth, midi, et.al. I'm fairly new to FreeBSD, and I'm trying to get support for some of the "windows friendly" type cards like these so I can prove to myself that FreeBSD can do great audio & video like Win95... Any TV Tuner software apps out there and what adapters are supported? Should I be referencing a FAQ somewhere instead of bugging this group? :) Is there a digest for freebsd-hardware & freebsd-multimedia? Thanks! --Lee McKenna lee.mckenna@lodgenet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 11 16:12:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25729 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:12:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA25700 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manar@ivision.co.uk) Received: from pretender.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.43] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0zHcMJ-0005Uo-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:12:08 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980912001114.00afd720@stingray.ivision.co.uk> X-Sender: manarpop@stingray.ivision.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:11:14 +0100 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Manar Hussain Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org re: PII vs K6-2 We were makign the exact same decisions here and settled on the k6-2 as more cost effective but lower likely top performance. >AMD K6-2: > >Up to 1MB L2 cache You can get boards with 2Mb of cache (http://www.anandtech.com/reviews/motherboards/california_graphics/photon100 hc-1mb-atx.html) >Now how much difference does the L2 cache make in a typical web/mail/news >server? What is meant by the term "cacheable memory"? ie: "with 512K >cache you have 64MB cacheable memory" or "with 1M cache, you have 128MB >cacheable memory". I've also heard things like "this motherboard can only >cache 64MB of memory"... > >What does it mean? What's the real world impact? It means that any RAM above that level can not be 2nd level cached - it's to do with how the cache works. For something that is expected to be pushed in terms of hardware I'd say it was very important to try and get all the RAM 2nd level cacheable. A 1Mb board will *normally* be able to cache up to 256Mb of RAM. manar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 11 16:32:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27553 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27541 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA27002; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buslogic/Mylex HAs In-Reply-To: <199809070221.UAA28199@narnia.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > CAM is already available for -stable: > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam/... Not to sound too redundant but how stable is the -stable cam? > It has a wide port? 8-) I'd personally use an aic7890 based adapter > for your particular configuration. The command overhead for these > adapters is much lower than for the Mylex cards. My worry with the Adaptec stuff is that it seems like there are (generally) more problems with the adaptec drivers than the buslogic/mylex driver. We have mostly 948's here now, and everything has been great with them for the past few years while I see adaptec running around changing chipsets and revisions on their various cards... Are most folks happy with Adaptec? We just don't have any, and the Buslogic stuff has worked so well for so long... Thanks, Charles > > -- > Justin > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 11 16:59:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29996 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29991 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29063; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:58:08 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Manar Hussain cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980912001114.00afd720@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Manar Hussain wrote: > re: PII vs K6-2 > > We were makign the exact same decisions here and settled on the k6-2 as > more cost effective but lower likely top performance. So even though you can get more cache with the AMD, it's slower at the same clocking as a PII? > You can get boards with 2Mb of cache > (http://www.anandtech.com/reviews/motherboards/california_graphics/photon100 > hc-1mb-atx.html) The problem I have with this is "who is california graphics??"... Where were they a year ago and where will they be 3 years from now... > It means that any RAM above that level can not be 2nd level cached - it's > to do with how the cache works. Does anyone know the performance impact this has on a typical web/mail/news server? > For something that is expected to be pushed in terms of hardware I'd say it > was very important to try and get all the RAM 2nd level cacheable. A 1Mb > board will *normally* be able to cache up to 256Mb of RAM. Does anyone know what determines how much RAM is cacheable? I've seen different amounts with the same size cache. Is it a chipset issue? We have a few machines that would really like about 512M of RAM, is it a waste if it's not cacheable? Thanks, Charles > manar > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 11 19:19:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14080 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from laker.net (jet.laker.net [205.245.74.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14069 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:19:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfriedri@laker.net) Received: from nt (digital-pbi-129.laker.net [208.0.233.29]) by laker.net (8.9.0/8.9.LAKERNET.NO-SPAM.SPAMMERS.AND.RELAYS.WILL.BE.TRACKED.AND.PROSECUTED.) with SMTP id WAA27389; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:18:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199809120218.WAA27389@laker.net> From: "Steve Friedrich" To: "Manar Hussain" , "spork" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:18:58 -0400 Reply-To: "Steve Friedrich" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:58:08 -0400 (EDT), spork wrote: >Does anyone know what determines how much RAM is cacheable? I've seen >different amounts with the same size cache. Is it a chipset issue? We >have a few machines that would really like about 512M of RAM, is it a >waste if it's not cacheable? Yes, it is a chipset issue, as in, which Triton chipset or ALI, Alladin, etc. You can read about these chipsets at www.tomshardware.com and it appears that the new BX based motherboards for PIIs don't have these considerations. Also, it's not a waste if it's not cacheable at the L2 level. I've seen the performance hit expressed as anywhere between 2% and 15% for a cache miss at the L2 level. You'll still be getting many cache hits at the L1 level. Up until Intel released the latest Celeron WITH cache, I would have easily recommended the K6 over any Intel chip. But the 300a Celeron is extremely overclockable and appears to be quite stable when overclocked, and of course, it's much cheaper than the rest of the PII line. I'd avoid the original Celeron like the plague (the version with NO cache). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 12 04:31:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24597 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA24591 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:31:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (beBop) id VAA16291; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:00:33 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:00:33 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199809121130.VAA16291@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: Krassimir Slavchev , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fujitsu M2512 In-Reply-To: <35F8CEC7.B9545E48@bulinfo.net> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971224 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <35F8CEC7.B9545E48@bulinfo.net> you wrote: > I have SCSI controler AHA1522 and Fujitsu M2512A optical disk and don't > configure it. > aic0 at 0x340-0x35f irq 9 on isa > (aic0:1:0): "FUJITSU M2512A 1303" type 0 removable SCSI 1 > uk0(aic0:1:0): Unknown From my dmesg od0 at scbus1 target 6 lun 0 od0: type 7 removable SCSI 2 od0: Optical od0: 5.0 MB/s (200 ns, offset 8)od0 at scbus1 target 6 lun 0 od0: type 7 removable SCSI 2 od0: Optical od0: 5.0 MB/s (200 ns, offset 8) don't forget "device od" in your kernel config file... and you _may_ need to set the jumpers on the disk so that its recognised as a removable media type (it will probably work either way..) Peter -- Peter Childs - finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for PGP public key We are FreeBSD, resistance is related to current and voltage... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 12 08:48:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12640 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12635 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA23964 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:48:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA15855 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:48:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199809121548.RAA15855@surf.IAE.nl> Subject: Compex PCMCIA Ethernet net-A configuration To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:48:07 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: wjw@IAEhv.nl X-NCC-RegID: nl.iae X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi,, I promissed to lookup what I had in my /etc/pccard.conf file to get my Ethernet card working. It could be that the io, irq and memory confis are different. --WjW # Sample PCCARD configuration file # # Removing all IRQ conflicts from this file can't be done because of some # IRQ-selfish PC-cards. So if you want to use some of these cards in # your machine, you will be forced to modify their IRQ parameters from # the following list. # # IRQ == 0 means "allocate free IRQ from IRQ pool" # IRQ == 16 means "do not use IRQ (e.g. PIO mode)" # # $Id: pccard.conf.sample,v 1.4.2.5 1998/02/10 01:02:06 msmith Exp $ # Generally available IO ports io 0x240-0x360 # Generally available IRQs (Built-in sound-card owners remove 5) irq 3 10 11 13 15 # Available memory slots memory 0xd4000 96k #Compex card "Ethernet" "Adapter" config 0x1 "ed0" 11 ether 0xff0 insert echo Compex PCMCIA Ethernet inserted insert /etc/pccard_ether ed0 remove echo Compex PCMCIA Ethernet removed remove /sbin/ifconfig ed0 delete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 12 08:51:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13008 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:51:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13002 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:51:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09046; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Steve Friedrich cc: Manar Hussain , "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? In-Reply-To: <199809120218.WAA27389@laker.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks very much for your replies, this is making the decision much easier. I have another answer in private email that I will post if I get the author's permission. Charles Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Steve Friedrich wrote: > On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:58:08 -0400 (EDT), spork wrote: > > >Does anyone know what determines how much RAM is cacheable? I've seen > >different amounts with the same size cache. Is it a chipset issue? We > >have a few machines that would really like about 512M of RAM, is it a > >waste if it's not cacheable? > > Yes, it is a chipset issue, as in, which Triton chipset or ALI, > Alladin, etc. You can read about these chipsets at > www.tomshardware.com and it appears that the new BX based motherboards > for PIIs don't have these considerations. Also, it's not a waste if > it's not cacheable at the L2 level. I've seen the performance hit > expressed as anywhere between 2% and 15% for a cache miss at the L2 > level. You'll still be getting many cache hits at the L1 level. > > Up until Intel released the latest Celeron WITH cache, I would have > easily recommended the K6 over any Intel chip. But the 300a Celeron is > extremely overclockable and appears to be quite stable when > overclocked, and of course, it's much cheaper than the rest of the PII > line. I'd avoid the original Celeron like the plague (the version with > NO cache). > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 12 09:04:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14271 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from veronet.net (ns.veronet.net [199.227.78.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14265; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:04:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mmoran@veronet.net) From: mmoran@veronet.net Received: from columbia (pm1-06.veronet.net [199.227.80.6]) by veronet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02714; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980912120026.00888dd0@veronet.net> X-Sender: mmoran@veronet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:00:26 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 56k/ISDN terminal server? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While browsing the mail-order catalog, I noticed the new product can offer 56k/ISDN remote access on 24 port board in the server. That product called: Hayes' Century S/RAZ 24 port 56k boards. It has two boards (PCI) & 24 56k modems and sells for $6,429 according to the mail-order catalog. The problem is it only run on (ugh!) WinNT server. Now, I wondering are there anybody aware of this or working & testing that product with FreeBSD drivers or scripts like mgetty? That would be nice to see how well that product run by FreeBSD. I checked out the web sites of Cyclades, Comtrol and Digiboard to see if they offer simliar product or not. They didn't. Only time will tell. - Mike Moran To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 12 09:27:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16179 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:27:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16173 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA13169 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:27:11 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I checked with the author and he OK'd posting this, it's a good answer... Charles ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:13:48 +1000 From: Kevin Lam To: spork Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? At 15:29 9/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >Pentium II: >Less L2 cache (512K max) >Good, stable ASUS mainboards available (we've had excellent results with >Asus so far) >100MHz bus Pentium II - less L2 cache, however, far greater cacheable memory range, up to a full 4GB on the newer 100Mhz (official bus speed) series chips. Overclocking a 333 on a 100Mhz FSB won't get ya this ;) For some strange reason the VIA MVP3 only seems to be able to cache up to 256MB of RAM with a 1MB L2 cache - crippling, if you ask me, hence the full-blown Pentium II always wins hands down over AMD for 98% of my commercial server applications. >AMD K6-2: >No time-tested mainboards available (the Asus model only does 384M and >only offers 512K cache) Very good point here. No time tested boards and generally, manufacturers have concentrated far more effort in the PII board line, many PII boards are built to server/workstation reliability standards, whereas the impression I get from the S7 market is "consumer grade". While I believe S7 still exists to compete against Intel and that is a good thing, and I still deploy S7 boards at home, I wouldn't bet my server's future on them. >Now how much difference does the L2 cache make in a typical web/mail/news >server? What is meant by the term "cacheable memory"? ie: "with 512K >cache you have 64MB cacheable memory" or "with 1M cache, you have 128MB >cacheable memory". I've also heard things like "this motherboard can only >cache 64MB of memory"... You take performance hits once you go over the limit, ie. putting 128MB of RAM in a 64MB-limit box leaves 64MB cached, and 64MB uncached. Whenever the CPU needs data from the part of RAM which is uncached, it results in the "Celeron Effect" ;) >What does it mean? What's the real world impact? Significant enough that I wouldn't deploy S7 or a Celeron in a production server environment. Performance takes a dip. -- K To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 12 09:45:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18249 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18241 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:45:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patl@phoenix.volant.org) From: patl@phoenix.volant.org Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with smtp (Exim 1.92 #8) id 0zHsnj-0003SV-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:45:31 -0700 Received: from localhost by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA27441; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:45:28 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? To: Manar Hussain cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980912001114.00afd720@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > re: PII vs K6-2 > > We were makign the exact same decisions here and settled on the k6-2 as > more cost effective but lower likely top performance. The performance comparisions should change dramaticly later this year when AMD releases the K6-3 with on-chip L2 cache... (Or at least that's the rumor I've heard.) -Pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 12 15:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19927 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19919 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:28:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.46.40] (helo=ragnet.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHy9Q-0003up-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:28:16 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zHwBD-0000Lk-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:21:59 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:21:59 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: spork Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A few random comments about chipsets etc. A couple of months ago I was looking to upgrade and looked in the Super Socket 7 stuff a lot. The MVP3 is actually not very good. The VP3 is the orginal version and is okay, but doesn't do the 100MHz bus. THe MVP3 does, but the M stands for "Mobile". The MVP3 is a cut down version of a VP£ with some new features! I summize that VIA started development work on the VP3, once that got going started a project to develop a version attractive to laptop makers and did a cut down (i.e. smaller package -> less pins -> less address lines), but this coincided with the Super Socket 7 specs. so they did the design for 100MHz. The design of the VP3 was too far gone to add the 100MHz stuff (maybe process). The Ali chipsets, however, look much better. In general all of the buffers etc. on the ALi 5 are twice as big as the MVP3, this may result in better system performance. The ALi chipset also has part of the RAM needed for the cache on chip (the tag RAM). This will help cost/stability, but not necessarily speed. Given a choice I would buy a Ali 5 chipset (Aladdin also re-spun the chipset to help a boot problem with FreeBSD, that's what I call support). Duncan PS. In the end I went for a TX MB, at the time the only Super 7 boards were MVP3 in the UK and where a bit flaky. The Tx had the advantage of being dirt cheap and providing me with lots of PCI and no AGP (I have a nice Millenium which would be a shame to waste). --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 12 16:23:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24420 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24414 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:23:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00918; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:22:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <199809122322.TAA00918@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Duncan Barclay cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? References: In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:21:59 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:22:50 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id QAA24416 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > PS. In the end I went for a TX MB, at the time the only Super 7 boards were > MVP3 in the UK and where a bit flaky. The Tx had the advantage of being dirt > cheap and providing me with lots of PCI and no AGP (I have a nice Millenium > which would be a shame to waste). But this only supports 64MB of (cachable) memory, right? I'm thinking about picking up a K6-2 and new motherboard, and while the TX-based motherboards seem very popular and attractive due to the PCI slot count, the memory limitation is of concern to me. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message