From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 13 04:30:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21651 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 04:30:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21642 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 04:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.46.40] (helo=ragnet.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zIAMO-0005S7-00; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:30:28 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zI7Pm-0005k8-00; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:21:46 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199809122322.TAA00918@whizzo.transsys.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:21:46 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12-Sep-98 Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > >> PS. In the end I went for a TX MB, at the time the only Super 7 boards were >> MVP3 in the UK and where a bit flaky. The Tx had the advantage of being dirt >> cheap and providing me with lots of PCI and no AGP (I have a nice Millenium >> which would be a shame to waste). > > But this only supports 64MB of (cachable) memory, right? I'm thinking > about picking up a K6-2 and new motherboard, and while the TX-based > motherboards seem very popular and attractive due to the PCI slot > count, the memory limitation is of concern to me. > > louie Thats true, but for home use 64MB is fine (well it is for me anyway), even with Netscape and StarOffice I don't have any problems. I forget what you are buying for, I was going to say that if I was buying now I would go for a Ali 5 board, but I think I wouldn't bother. I tend to change MB+CPU every couple of years, disk and other toys are more interesting than CPU/RAM. The only reason I wanted more RAM was Netscape. Duncan --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 13 07:09:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05606 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geo.geocast.net (geo.geocast.net [128.177.240.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05595 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:09:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from castor@geocast.net) Received: from localhost (castor@localhost) by geo.geocast.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20795; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:08:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Castor Fu To: Duncan Barclay cc: spork , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Duncan Barclay wrote: > > The Ali chipsets, however, look much better. In general all of the buffers etc. > on the ALi 5 are twice as big as the MVP3, this may result in better system > performance. The ALi chipset also has part of the RAM needed for the cache on > chip (the tag RAM). This will help cost/stability, but not necessarily speed. > > Given a choice I would buy a Ali 5 chipset (Aladdin also re-spun the chipset to > help a boot problem with FreeBSD, that's what I call support). Has anyone done any actual performance measurements with these two chipsets? I was rather leary of the Ali5 because ALI is an acer subsidiary and Acer's motherboard arm, AOpen, uses the MVP-3 in their super 7 board. I figure if ALI couldn't get a design win with their own companies, there's something you don't want to find out. I also had a friend with a cheap ALI board which had various nasty problems which only cropped up as one started adding cards. -castor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 13 08:29:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10775 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:29:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from laker.net (jet.laker.net [205.245.74.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10770 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfriedri@laker.net) Received: from nt (digital-pbi-135.laker.net [208.0.233.35]) by laker.net (8.9.0/8.9.LAKERNET.NO-SPAM.SPAMMERS.AND.RELAYS.WILL.BE.TRACKED.AND.PROSECUTED.) with SMTP id LAA09829; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:29:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199809131529.LAA09829@laker.net> From: "Steve Friedrich" To: "Castor Fu" , "Duncan Barclay" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "spork" Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:29:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Steve Friedrich" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:08:39 -0700 (PDT), Castor Fu wrote: >I also had a friend with a cheap ALI board which had various nasty problems >which only cropped up as one started adding cards. But did you verify which chipset it had ?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 13 08:29:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10801 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from laker.net (jet.laker.net [205.245.74.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10788 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfriedri@laker.net) Received: from nt (digital-pbi-135.laker.net [208.0.233.35]) by laker.net (8.9.0/8.9.LAKERNET.NO-SPAM.SPAMMERS.AND.RELAYS.WILL.BE.TRACKED.AND.PROSECUTED.) with SMTP id LAA09836; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:29:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199809131529.LAA09836@laker.net> From: "Steve Friedrich" To: "Castor Fu" , "Duncan Barclay" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "spork" Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:28:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Steve Friedrich" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:08:39 -0700 (PDT), Castor Fu wrote: >I was rather leary of the Ali5 because ALI is an acer subsidiary and >Acer's motherboard arm, AOpen, uses the MVP-3 in their super 7 board. >I figure if ALI couldn't get a design win with their own companies, there's >something you don't want to find out. They might have lost simply on a cost basis. Anyone know for sure ?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 13 08:43:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12516 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com (gw-nl1.philips.com [192.68.44.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12511 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jos.Backus@nl.origin-it.com) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.philips.com with ESMTP id RAA25599 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:43:30 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from Jos.Backus@nl.origin-it.com) Received: from hal.mpn.cp.philips.com (hal.mpn.cp.philips.com [130.139.64.195]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with SMTP id RAA00641 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:43:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (qmail 23945 invoked by uid 666); 13 Sep 1998 15:43:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19980913174350.C23834@hal.mpn.cp.philips.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:43:50 +0200 From: Jos Backus To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buslogic/Mylex HAs References: <199809070221.UAA28199@narnia.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: ; from spork on Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 07:31:32PM -0400 X-Files: The Truth is out there! Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 07:31:32PM -0400, spork wrote: > Not to sound too redundant but how stable is the -stable cam? Random data point: a -stable system (cvsupped a few days after 2.2.7 was released) with the -stable CAM patch applied crashes reliably at the end of a cdrecord session with a ``freeing busy pages'' panic :-( -- Jos Backus _/ _/_/_/ "Reliability means never _/ _/ _/ having to say you're sorry." _/ _/_/_/ -- D. J. Bernstein _/ _/ _/ _/ Jos.Backus@nl.origin-it.com _/_/ _/_/_/ use Std::Disclaimer; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 13 10:36:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25354 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25348 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:36:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id LAA05042; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:36:21 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199809131736.LAA05042@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Buslogic/Mylex HAs In-Reply-To: <19980913174350.C23834@hal.mpn.cp.philips.com> from Jos Backus at "Sep 13, 98 05:43:50 pm" To: Jos.Backus@nl.origin-it.com (Jos Backus) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jos Backus wrote... > On Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 07:31:32PM -0400, spork wrote: > > Not to sound too redundant but how stable is the -stable cam? > > Random data point: a -stable system (cvsupped a few days after 2.2.7 was > released) with the -stable CAM patch applied crashes reliably at the end of a > cdrecord session with a ``freeing busy pages'' panic :-( That's not good. Did you send anything to the SCSI list about this? I don't remember seeing anything said about it. I've seen panics on -stable and -current with cdda2wav; they seem to be related to shared memory usage. It'll probably take someone more familiar with the VM system to sort them out, though. The problem doesn't seem to be directly attributable to CAM, but it my be exacerbated by CAM. It looks like cdrecord uses shared memory as well, so the panic may be similar. Can you send me a stack trace? Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 13 11:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00354 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles233.castles.com [208.214.165.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00348 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:03:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06566; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199809131809.LAA06566@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: Jos.Backus@nl.origin-it.com (Jos Backus), hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buslogic/Mylex HAs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:36:21 MDT." <199809131736.LAA05042@panzer.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:09:02 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've seen panics on -stable and -current with cdda2wav; they seem to be > related to shared memory usage. It'll probably take someone more familiar > with the VM system to sort them out, though. The problem doesn't seem to > be directly attributable to CAM, but it my be exacerbated by CAM. > > It looks like cdrecord uses shared memory as well, so the panic may be > similar. Can you send me a stack trace? Just out of curiosity, does the CAM stack use a lazy mechanism for cleaning up after transfers? It sounds very much like what's happening here is that the process has been doing I/O to the shared memory segment, finishes and attempts to delete the segment, but parts of it are still marked busy. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 13 11:50:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13952 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13935 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id MAA05382; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:49:40 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199809131849.MAA05382@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Buslogic/Mylex HAs In-Reply-To: <199809131809.LAA06566@word.smith.net.au> from Mike Smith at "Sep 13, 98 11:09:02 am" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Cc: ken@plutotech.com, Jos.Backus@nl.origin-it.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith wrote... > > I've seen panics on -stable and -current with cdda2wav; they seem to be > > related to shared memory usage. It'll probably take someone more familiar > > with the VM system to sort them out, though. The problem doesn't seem to > > be directly attributable to CAM, but it my be exacerbated by CAM. > > > > It looks like cdrecord uses shared memory as well, so the panic may be > > similar. Can you send me a stack trace? > > Just out of curiosity, does the CAM stack use a lazy mechanism for > cleaning up after transfers? It sounds very much like what's happening > here is that the process has been doing I/O to the shared memory > segment, finishes and attempts to delete the segment, but parts of it > are still marked busy. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. The thing is, though, the passthrough driver waits until I/O completion to return to the user. i.e. the ioctl will block until everything is done. If for some reason cdrecord tries to delete the shared memory segment before the last transaction is complete, I can see how there would be a problem. It's also possible that there's a problem with my usage of vmapbuf() and vunmapbuf(), although you'd think I would have seen it by now. (I've been using it for over a year.) It might take a VM expert to figure this one out... Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 13 14:24:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04812 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geo.geocast.net (geo.geocast.net [128.177.240.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04806 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:24:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from castor@geocast.net) Received: from localhost (castor@localhost) by geo.geocast.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21157; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:24:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Castor Fu To: Steve Friedrich cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: "Cacheable memory"?? In-Reply-To: <199809131529.LAA09829@laker.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:08:39 -0700 (PDT), Castor Fu wrote: > > >I also had a friend with a cheap ALI board which had various nasty problems > >which only cropped up as one started adding cards. > > But did you verify which chipset it had ?? The manufacturer was IWill and the chipset was an Aladdin V, (i.e. definitely the Super 7 chipset). I don't know what rev. I'm pretty sure it worked when the memory bus was clocked at 66 MHz. Same processor and PCI boards, and SDRAM worked fine in an MVP-3 based system. -castor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 13 14:46:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07571 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:46:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com (gw-nl1.philips.com [192.68.44.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07555 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:45:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jos.Backus@nl.origin-it.com) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.philips.com with ESMTP id XAA26382 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 23:45:43 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from Jos.Backus@nl.origin-it.com) Received: from hal.mpn.cp.philips.com (hal.mpn.cp.philips.com [130.139.64.195]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with SMTP id XAA09324 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 23:45:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (qmail 24862 invoked by uid 666); 13 Sep 1998 21:46:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19980913234603.A24841@hal.mpn.cp.philips.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 23:46:03 +0200 From: Jos Backus To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buslogic/Mylex HAs References: <19980913174350.C23834@hal.mpn.cp.philips.com> <199809131736.LAA05042@panzer.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199809131736.LAA05042@panzer.plutotech.com>; from Kenneth D. Merry on Sun, Sep 13, 1998 at 11:36:21AM -0600 X-Files: The Truth is out there! Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 13, 1998 at 11:36:21AM -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > That's not good. Did you send anything to the SCSI list about this? I > don't remember seeing anything said about it. No, I didn't. This is a system we need at work to burn CD's. At first we suspected some interaction with NFS so we took NFS out of the kernel, but the problem persisted. In the end we decided to do a reinstall using the 2.2.7-RELEASE CD-ROM, because we need this system to work. So unfortunately I'm no longer able to reproduce the problem :-( Side note: we tried to coerce the system into producing a core dump using dumpon, without success. We did get it to panic into ddb though. Wish I had written down the call stack /me slaps forehead <*thwap*> > I've seen panics on -stable and -current with cdda2wav; they seem to be > related to shared memory usage. It'll probably take someone more familiar > with the VM system to sort them out, though. The problem doesn't seem to > be directly attributable to CAM, but it my be exacerbated by CAM. This problem (at least this panic) isn't particularly new, it would seem; the archives show messages referring to it dating back as far as 1995. So purely intuitively, without being hampered by any relevant knowledge on this topic, I tend to agree ;-) > It looks like cdrecord uses shared memory as well, so the panic may be > similar. Can you send me a stack trace? Sorry :-( Thanks, -- Jos Backus _/ _/_/_/ "Reliability means never _/ _/ _/ having to say you're sorry." _/ _/_/_/ -- D. J. Bernstein _/ _/ _/ _/ Jos.Backus@nl.origin-it.com _/_/ _/_/_/ use Std::Disclaimer; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 14 02:24:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07449 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 02:24:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out.gcn.net.tw (jmail.gcn.net.tw [203.77.2.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07436 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 02:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith@email.gcn.net.tw) Received: from keith (host65.2106231.gcn.net.tw [210.62.31.65]) by out.gcn.net.tw (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAB13412; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:23:01 GMT Message-ID: <35FCE08E.C1AC73C1@email.gcn.net.tw> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:23:26 +0800 From: Keith Jang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tape drive? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recently decided to buy a tape drive for backup. After searching in the mailing lists, it seems that only SCSI ones are assured to be supported. I'm wondering which cheaper IDE/floppy/parallel are known to work under 3.0-current. Thanks in advance! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 15 05:35:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA25693 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.prosodie.com (firewall.prosodie.com [194.51.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25673; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:35:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fsegura@prosodie.com) Received: from multimedia.prosodie.com (multimedia.prosodie.com [194.51.95.48]) by firewall.prosodie.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19312; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:34:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fsegura@prosodie.com) Received: by multimedia.prosodie.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:34:47 +0200 Message-ID: <362276B8EFCAD11180ED00805F5C83F03BA3@multimedia.prosodie.com> From: Fabrice Segura To: "'FreeBSD - Hardware'" , "'Freebsd - Bugs'" Subject: SMC 9334BDT don't work at all at 100Mbps, and don't work properly at 10Mbps on a 3Com Dual Speed Hub Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:34:38 +0200 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <362276B8EFCAD11180ED00805F5C83F03BA3@multimedia.prosodie.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BDE0A5.39451830" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDE0A5.39451830 Content-Type: text/plain Hi, I have a Compaq 850R machine fitted with two SMC 9334BDT boards, that I use for firewalling purposes. I choose these cards to be able to speed up my network at 100Mbps I also bought a 3com dual speed hub, to be able to connect old machines at 10Mbps, and a plain 100Mbps 3com hub. When I use the dual speed hub, or the plain 100Mbps hub, The de driver autodetection seems OK, but at 100Mbps, the TX led of the board stays lit, and no communication seems to occur. The Hubs are OK because other machines (Compaq too) running NT do communicate together well. The use of ifconfig media and media-opt didn't solve the problem very much. I could obtain communications at 100Mbps, but with ping I had a 10% lost packets. But it seems that the requested options are not set-up in most cases. I couldn't try configuring with the dos utility since bringing this machine down brings the whole network down too (that's why I choose FreeBSD ! :-) Did anyone used these cards successfully at 100Mbps, and preferably with 3Com dual speed hub ( a friend of mine told me that he didn't like them because the switching engine was faulty ) ? If it worked properly, how ? Regards Fabrice Segura PS: Release notes for 2.2.7 said the compaq NetFlex 3 boards were supported. 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Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:30:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bastuba.partitur.se (bastuba.partitur.se [193.219.246.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20358 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Received: from partitur.se (solist.partitur.se [193.219.246.204]) by bastuba.partitur.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24868; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:29:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Message-ID: <35FEA412.B71FCA9E@partitur.se> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:29:54 +0200 From: Palle Girgensohn Organization: Partitur X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Adaptec "AHA 2940U2W PCI KIT LV"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! Will this card work with the regular 2940 (aha) driver? This is for a STABLE-2-2 machine. Regards, Palle Girgensohn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 15 10:44:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23021 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:44:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bastuba.partitur.se (bastuba.partitur.se [193.219.246.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22984 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Received: from partitur.se (solist.partitur.se [193.219.246.204]) by bastuba.partitur.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25004; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:44:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Message-ID: <35FEA767.774727C6@partitur.se> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:44:07 +0200 From: Palle Girgensohn Organization: Partitur X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: N440BX? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello again! I have aquestion about the intel motherboard N440BX. First, will I get trouble installing FreeBSD on it? I checked the mail archives, and at least one person had trouble installing it over ftp. I have a CD, so might not be an issue. This card has a built in SCSI adaptor, Symbios Logic* 53C876 Dual Channel Ultra. Will this work without CAM? I have found references in hardware.txt to 53xx75, but not ..76, (I think...) I have presumed that I need a separate SCSI controller. Is this false? Thanks in advance! /Palle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 15 12:47:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16947 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16902 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:46:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrl@teleport.com) From: mrl@teleport.com Received: (qmail 12894 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1998 19:46:20 -0000 Received: from user1.teleport.com (mrl@192.108.254.10) by smtp4.teleport.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 19:46:20 -0000 Received: (from mrl@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA16349; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809151946.MAA16349@user1.teleport.com> Subject: Re: N440BX? To: girgen@partitur.se (Palle Girgensohn) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <35FEA767.774727C6@partitur.se> from "Palle Girgensohn" at Sep 15, 1998 07:44:07 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This card has a built in SCSI adaptor, Symbios Logic* 53C876 Dual > Channel Ultra. Will this work without CAM? I have found references in > hardware.txt to 53xx75, but not ..76, (I think...) I have presumed that > I need a separate SCSI controller. Is this false? The Symbios Logic* 53C876 DualChannel Ultra chip works OK as found in the Diamond Fireport SCSI card - so I presume it will work OK on this board. Mostyn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 15 15:23:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24153 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:23:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24091 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id AAA02461 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:23:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (VMailer, from userid 101) id 0E0A91511; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:53:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:53:36 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: N440BX? Message-ID: <19980915235336.A9784@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <35FEA767.774727C6@partitur.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.4i In-Reply-To: <35FEA767.774727C6@partitur.se>; from Palle Girgensohn on Tue, Sep 15, 1998 at 07:44:07PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#4648 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Palle Girgensohn: > This card has a built in SCSI adaptor, Symbios Logic* 53C876 Dual > Channel Ultra. Will this work without CAM? I have found references in > hardware.txt to 53xx75, but not ..76, (I think...) I have presumed that > I need a separate SCSI controller. Is this false? Yes. A 876 is just two 875 on a single PCB w/o the need of a PCI-PCI bridge if I remember well. It should be found as two ncr875 cards. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #64: Fri Sep 11 23:22:44 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 15 15:53:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29015 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:53:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29009 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id QAA21032; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:52:42 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199809152252.QAA21032@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Adaptec "AHA 2940U2W PCI KIT LV"? In-Reply-To: <35FEA412.B71FCA9E@partitur.se> from Palle Girgensohn at "Sep 15, 98 07:29:54 pm" To: girgen@partitur.se (Palle Girgensohn) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:52:42 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Palle Girgensohn wrote... > Hi! > > Will this card work with the regular 2940 (aha) driver? > > This is for a STABLE-2-2 machine. No, it won't work in a stock -stable machine. You need CAM. See: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/cam/README Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 16 10:00:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14436 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from icsnet.com (icsnet.com [204.194.104.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14411 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeffrey@meltzer.org) Received: HReceived: from xu90.villagenet.com (xu90 [205.136.35.9]) by icsnet.com (ics mailserver) with SMTP id NAA07867 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35FFEBF6.E79D94D8@meltzer.org> Received: from sparc.icsnet.com by xu90.villagenet.com via smtpd (for icsnet.com [204.194.104.2]) with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 17:29:30 UT Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:48:54 -0400 From: Jeffrey Meltzer Organization: ICS Network Operations Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD on Libretto Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AD58FA8899E7F07D8A1666B7" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------AD58FA8899E7F07D8A1666B7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having some problems setting up FreeBSD on the Libretto 50CT with a Linksys Ethercard Combo, which is supposedly supported by FreeBSD. I run through the PAO install disk, and when it gets to the nic part, it finds the card as a Linksys Ethercard Combo, but says it is unsupported, and then aborts. Anybody have any idea what to try next? -- Jeffrey Meltzer http://www.meltzer.org ICS Network Operations Center Support Manager Phone 516-218-0700/Fax 516-218-0769 620 Johnson Ave. Bohemia, NY 11716 --------------AD58FA8899E7F07D8A1666B7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   
I'm having some problems setting up FreeBSD on the Libretto 50CT with a
 Linksys Ethercard Combo, which is supposedly supported by FreeBSD.  I
 run through the PAO install disk, and when it gets to the nic part, it
 finds the card as a Linksys Ethercard Combo, but says it is unsupported,
 and then aborts. Anybody have any idea what to try next?



-- 
Jeffrey Meltzer  http://www.meltzer.org
ICS Network Operations Center Support Manager
Phone 516-218-0700/Fax 516-218-0769
620 Johnson Ave. Bohemia, NY 11716

 

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On 1998-09-15 19:44 +0200, Palle Girgensohn  wrote:
> This card has a built in SCSI adaptor, Symbios Logic* 53C876 Dual
> Channel Ultra. Will this work without CAM? I have found references in
> hardware.txt to 53xx75, but not ..76, (I think...) I have presumed that
> I need a separate SCSI controller. Is this false?

The 876 is similar to two 875 chips, and will be attached as "ncr0" 
and "ncr1". This should work with any kernel as old as 2.2.5.

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I'm intertested in purchasing a cd writer. 

- which brand/model works best?

- What software do I use to burn a cdrom?

- What about CD-RW? Is this worth getting? Does it
  work well?

Thanks a log!

Joe



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My secret spy satellite informs me that on 16-Sep-98, Joe McGuckin wrote:
> 
> I'm intertested in purchasing a cd writer. 
> 
> - which brand/model works best?

I own the Sony CDU-926S SCSI CD-recorder.  It writes 2x, reads 6x, is
rock-solid and stable, and works very well with FreeBSD.  It was extremely
cheap (compared to similar units) when I bought it (paid $289 back in March
this year), and it's still very inexpensive.

Avoid ATAPI (IDE) devices at all costs.  True; there *is* a ALPHA quality
driver for them, but it requires you use 3.0-CURRENT, and like I said,
it's ALPHA quality (i.e. not guaranteed to work).  The Sony I mentioned,
on the other hand, has been absolutely rock solid and stable for me -- not
a single bad disk yet!

> - What software do I use to burn a cdrom?

Look at /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrecord.  This will allow you to burn either
audio, data, or mixed-mode (audio + data) CD's.

To grab audio tracks off of audio CD-ROMs (to make a "best of hits"
compilation type CD), use /usr/ports/audio/tosha.

> - What about CD-RW? Is this worth getting? Does it
>   work well?

Not too sure about this one, as I've had little to no experience with
CD-RW's.  They are expensive (you will see cheaper ones, but these are
invariable ATAPI/IDE, which you should avoid as outlined above).  They do
use a different type of media and a different recording format, which
(I've heard that) some CD-ROM drives and audio CD players cannot read
successfully; whereas, with CD-Recordables, I've never had a problem
reading any of my data or audio disks on any of the players/drives I own
(and I have quite a few older units).

> Thanks a log!

Actually, I think I'd rather have a sine or maybe a cosine instead. 
:)

> Joe
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 Donald Burr writes:
>I own the Sony CDU-926S SCSI CD-recorder.  It writes 2x, reads 6x, is
>rock-solid and stable, and works very well with FreeBSD.  It was extremely
>cheap (compared to similar units) when I bought it (paid $289 back in March
Hmm... It costs well over $300 in Moscow, now... Can anyone say something 
good/bad about Panasonics (4r/2w)? What brands work, what doesn't?

Alex.

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> 
> The 876 is similar to two 875 chips, and will be attached as "ncr0" 
> and "ncr1". This should work with any kernel as old as 2.2.5.

How do these controllers compare, performance and stability-wise, with the
popular Adaptec and Mylex controllers?

Thanks,

Charles

> 
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> From: Mike Smith 
> To: Igor Sysoev 
> Cc: Mike Smith ; freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 365X and 3C589D 
> Date: 27 Aug 1998, 19:46
> 
> > > The PCCARD standard doesn't allow for clean removal of an active
card.  
> > > Doing this is likely to cause you serious problems.
> > 
> > Today I found that ThinkPad hang if 'apmconf -e' running and I try to
> > remove 3C589D.
> 
> Ouch.  This sounds like it's a different problem though.
> 
> > So I disabled running 'apmconf -e' and pccardd at boot
> > time. So it's log:
> > 
> > Aug 27 11:25:16 zx /kernel: apm0 on isa
> > Aug 27 11:25:16 zx /kernel: apm: found APM BIOS version 1.1
> > Aug 27 11:25:16 zx /kernel: PC-Card Intel 82365 (5 mem & 2 I/O windows)
> > Aug 27 11:25:16 zx /kernel: pcic: controller irq 5
> > Aug 27 11:25:17 zx /kernel: Initializing PC-card drivers: ep sio
> > 
> > System booted, 'apmconf -e' isn't running. I started pccardd and
> > insert 3C589D:
> > 
> > Aug 27 11:25:51 zx pccardd[173]: pccardd started
> > Aug 27 11:25:55 zx /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0
> > Aug 27 11:26:05 zx /kernel: ep0: utp/bnc[*UTP*] address
00:60:08:95:2a:f6
> > 
> > For 3c589D pccardd runs echo only in /etc/pccard.conf.
> > I wait some time and remove card:
> > 
> > Aug 27 11:26:17 zx /kernel: ep0: unload
> > Aug 27 11:26:17 zx /kernel: Return IRQ=10
> > Aug 27 11:26:17 zx /kernel: Card removed, slot 0
> > Aug 27 11:26:17 zx /kernel: stray irq 10
> > 
> > I wait some time and insert card again:
> > 
> > Aug 27 11:27:17 zx /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0
> > Aug 27 11:27:28 zx /kernel: ep0: utp/bnc[*UTP*] address
00:60:08:95:2a:f6
> > 
> > Now I run 'ifconfig ep0 inet ...' then 'ifconfig ep0 delete' then
remove
> > card and system hang up. The single keys that working now is Fn-F7
(they
> > switch between LCD and external monitor).
> 
> If you try alt-ctrl-esc, what happens?  It sounds to me as though 
> you're in the interrupt routine for the 'ep' driver and spinning 
> endlessly.
> 
> > If I remove 3C589D with running 'apmconf -e' notebook hang up even I
> > didn't run 'ifconfig ep0 ..' before - without any network activity.
> 
> I think *this* may have something to do with the interaction between APM
> and your hardware; it seems to me that you might be getting an APM 
> event related to the card removal.
> 
> If you're able to pursue these issues a little further, I'd be
> interested to know if you turn anything up.  Needless to say, I use APM 
> and plug/remove cards on a regular basis (including a 3c589), so I know 
> it's _supposed_ to work.

Some days ago I'd installed PAO-980913 for FreeBSD 2.2.7 and all
my problems was solved. Is the correlation between PAO and
FreeBSD standard apm and pccard support ?

I still have one problem - when I start X for the first time, then suspend
ThinkPad, after resume screen is dark. I exit from X, then start X again
and all follwing suspend/resume works fine except some times
ThinkPad cannot suspend with error 96.

with best regards
Igor Sysoev


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Hello Experts

A quick question:

Can freebsd 2.2.7-stable support a cdrom connected to a laptop via a
PCMCIA card interface?

If it can, what hardware of this type is known to work (and not to
work)? I can't find any instance of this information in the handbook. 

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> Can freebsd 2.2.7-stable support a cdrom connected to a laptop via a
> PCMCIA card interface?

My Sony PRD-650 works with the AIC driver, which I ported from PAO in
version 2.2.6R.


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Alex Povolotsky writes:
> Hmm... It costs well over $300 in Moscow, now... Can anyone say something 
> good/bad about Panasonics (4r/2w)? What brands work, what doesn't?

I've been eyeing the Panasonic 7502B. Some research a while back
uncovered the fact that those who build parallel CD-R duplicators (were
more than one copy is made at a time) exclusively use the Panasonic CDR.
One engineer told me all other current production CDR's barfed when more
than one was on the SCSI bus.

Pricewatch and NetBuyer are turning up prices as low as $214 for the
Panasonic. Guess I'm going to have to buy soon.



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My secret spy satellite informs me that on 17-Sep-98, John wrote:
> Can freebsd 2.2.7-stable support a cdrom connected to a laptop via a
> PCMCIA card interface?
> 
> If it can, what hardware of this type is known to work (and not to
> work)? I can't find any instance of this information in the handbook. 

I remember using a CD-ROM made by EXP Computer.  It was a 2x *without* a
built-in soundcard.  I believe the model was EXP CD-940E.  It was actually
an ATAPI CD-ROM with an PCMCIA IDE interface.  I used this udner
Linux's PCMCIA support, and I believe it will also work with FreeBSD's
now, since it supports removable IDE interfaces.

There's also another CD-ROM (it's either a Panasonic or Sony) that is based
on a PCMCIA SCSI controller that the FreeBSD PCMCIA stuff supports.
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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 at 19:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Donald Burr wrote:
> . . . They do
> use a different type of media and a different recording format, which
> (I've heard that) some CD-ROM drives and audio CD players cannot read
> successfully; whereas, with CD-Recordables, I've never had a problem
> reading any of my data or audio disks on any of the players/drives I own
> (and I have quite a few older units).

You are correct, Donald.  CD-RW media reflects less light than CDRs and
normal CDs.  In order for a driver/player to read CD-RW media, they have to
have an amplifier to increase the light output.  Otherwise the reflected
light levels are often too low to generate an adequate electrical signal. 
Most newer drives and high-quality players come with such amplifiers. 
Drives that do have them are usually labeled as being able to read CD-RW.

The low-reflectivity problem may also occur with cheap CDR media (e.g., the
green-tinted ones).  Any comments?

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I've got a PR440FX which I'm trying to bring up.
There are two 32MB buffered DIMMs in the board,
and a pair of PP180's.

On power-up I get the one-beep POST code, 
'memory refresh failure'.  No memory speed jumper
changes have elicited any further response.
The S3V-DX video is black.

Is there any hope for this board?  Could it be that the 
EDO-ECC DIMMs are at fault?





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> 
> I've got a PR440FX which I'm trying to bring up.
> There are two 32MB buffered DIMMs in the board,
> and a pair of PP180's.
> 
> On power-up I get the one-beep POST code, 
> 'memory refresh failure'.  No memory speed jumper
> changes have elicited any further response.
> The S3V-DX video is black.
> 
> Is there any hope for this board?  Could it be that the 
> EDO-ECC DIMMs are at fault?

You have them in the right slots, and they're at least 60's?  The board
should be more than happy with those particular parts.

I'd try swapping the board and memory around (presuming you can find 
the parts to swap with); either could be fried.

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We have just bought a 256 meg dimm to boost our total ram up to 640 megs.
There is a problem, the system goes reallly slow. We've tried just about
everything, maxmem, iosiz, bouncebuffer, changing around the memory hole,
and nothing works except not going over 512 megs in our system. The 256
dimm works fine, but if we go over 512 megs, it goes slow. Has anyone else
experienced this before, or have any more ideas for us? 




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I am having problems with a Digiboard 16em.

I have been searching the mailing lists and found little information about
my problem, but it is mentioned and there may have been a fix.

This is there error I get on boot.

dgb0: PC/Xi 512K
dgb0 at 0x224-0x227 maddr 0xfc0000 msize 524288 flags 0x2 on isa
dgb0: 2nd reset failed



I played with memory size between 8 and 16 megs as I had read that this might
be the problem, as well as setting the flags in the kernel (0x01 0x02) to no
avail..

I have built all the /dev/cuaD0X enteries as well /as /dev/ttyD0X and added them to /etc/ttys.

I have the cable from the Digiboard pluged into EBI/in port on the breakout box
and have a modem pluged into port 1.

I try and talk to the modem using cu and this is what I get.
 

/root 103% cu -s 9600 -l /dev/cuaD00
cu: open (/dev/cuaD00): Device not configured
cu: /dev/cuaD00: Line in use


Am I talking to the card in the correct manner? is there some patch to make
the Xem cards work.. (ie the 16em).

Any help is much apreciated.

Thanks in advance

Richard Puga
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> We have just bought a 256 meg dimm to boost our total ram up to 640 megs.
> There is a problem, the system goes reallly slow. We've tried just about
> everything, maxmem, iosiz, bouncebuffer, changing around the memory hole,
> and nothing works except not going over 512 megs in our system. The 256
> dimm works fine, but if we go over 512 megs, it goes slow. Has anyone else
> experienced this before, or have any more ideas for us? 

Your motherboard/CPU combination is probably incapable of caching more 
than 512MB of memory.

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