From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 20 06:56:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17286 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 06:56:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from reliam.teaser.fr (reliam.teaser.fr [194.51.80.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17150 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 06:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from son@teaser.fr) Received: from teaser.fr (ppp1087-ft.teaser.fr [194.206.156.40]) by reliam.teaser.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA06578; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:55:46 +0100 (MET) Received: (from son@localhost) by teaser.fr (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA00443; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:31:17 GMT (envelope-from son) Message-ID: <19981220153117.60713@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:31:17 +0000 From: Nicolas Souchu To: Wm Brian McCane Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Printer problems References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Wm Brian McCane on Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 02:14:40PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD breizh 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 02:14:40PM -0600, Wm Brian McCane wrote: > >I have an HP PhotoSmart (DeskJet) printer that I want to attach to my >Samba Server. Everything is connected, and print jobs from the PC blindly >fly over to UNIX no problem. The problem is during the printing. I get >about 1/2" to 1" of my document printed out and then the printing stops >with that obnoxious blinking light. > >I think the problem is not the print job because: > lptest > /dev/lpt0 > >does NOTHING. I disabled the printer, and sent over my print job again >(Windows 98 Print Test Page). When I `cat' the file to the port I get the >same behavior. If I connect the printer to the PC and do a: > > type test.fil > lpt0: > >it works (okay, I forget the exact string, but it did work 8). > >It appears that the printer is reseting after UNIX drops the Print Request >line? > > help! > brian Ok, what's your configuration? FreeBSD release? Bootlogs? -- nsouch@teaser.fr / nsouch@freebsd.org FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 20 14:50:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01561 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01548 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:50:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id XAA17425 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:50:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id F3D6D15E1; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:35:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:35:50 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: Hardware Mailing list Subject: LaserWriter II/NTX doc anyone ? Message-ID: <19981220233550.A6036@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Hardware Mailing list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#4871 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know this is ancient (the one I just got was manufactured in '89) but is there anyone with a manual for the Apple Laserwriter II/NTX ? It has a set of jumpers but I don't know how to configure them. There is paper in it and a toner cartridge as well. Another thing, the printer is now connected on my machine's serial port and after switching it on, it tries to print the boot-up page and end up with two led flashing (out of 4). There is four leds : the 'data in' one, a second one probably lit when it is out of ink, the third one is probably when it is out of paper and the fourth one is maybe for some kind of problem. The last two are flashing and nothing gets out. Anyone with an idea ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #2: Sun Nov 8 01:22:20 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 23 10:10:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18799 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18794 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:10:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from krell@pcnet.com) Received: from ws01 (pm3-pt1.pcnet.net [206.105.29.75]) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) with SMTP id NAA22415 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:08:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE2E75.55F73BF0.rlinane@krellonline.com> From: "Richard J. Linane" Reply-To: "krell@krellonline.com" To: "'freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: SCSI TAPE Drives Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:08:29 -0500 Organization: Krell Industries, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am running FreeBSD 2.2.7. I have an Adaptec 1520 SCSI CONTROLLER and a TANDBURG TDC 3800 SCSI Tape Drive. Both the controller card and the tape drive are sensed and recognized. And the tape is showing that it is write enabled. When I try to list the contents of the tape using the command tar t the system appears to hang. A few minutes later I start receiving an error message /kernel: st0(aic0:2:0): timed out This will continue until I reboot the system. I am unable to kill the process tar t The drive and the card are known to be in good working order. I had removed them this morning from a system running SCO UNIX. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Rich Linane Krell Industries, Inc (203) 799-9954 Ext. 348 mailto:typh0on@concentric.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 23 16:22:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29474 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:22:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from epistolic.cynic.net (epistolic.cynic.net [199.175.137.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29467; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:22:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjs@cynic.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by epistolic.cynic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA08458; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:22:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:22:32 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Sampson To: Andrew Gallatin cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , jim@cgi.sstar.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hint benchmark on Multia VX40A In-Reply-To: <13939.64306.568854.66434@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Actually, the results were from Hint run on an AlphaStation 200 4/166, > not a Multia. I guess I didn't make that as clear as I should have. > The AlphaStation should be a bit faster than a Multia. The AlphaStation should be a *lot* faster. The 21066, which the Multia uses, differs from the 21064 in the AS200 in a couple of major respects. One is that it has PCI logic on board, so you don't need external circutry for that. The second is that its memory controller is *very* slow, 2-3 times slower than a Pentium. For general use, it feels more or less like a high-end (66 to 100 MHz) 486. cjs -- Curt Sampson 604 801 5335 De gustibus, aut bene aut nihil. The most widely ported operating system in the world: http://www.netbsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 23 17:56:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09977 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:56:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09970 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:56:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA10107; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:25:50 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA14706; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:25:52 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981224122552.F12346@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:25:52 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "krell@krellonline.com" , "'freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: SCSI TAPE Drives References: <01BE2E75.55F73BF0.rlinane@krellonline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <01BE2E75.55F73BF0.rlinane@krellonline.com>; from Richard J. Linane on Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 01:08:29PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 23 December 1998 at 13:08:29 -0500, Richard J. Linane wrote: > I am running FreeBSD 2.2.7. > > I have an Adaptec 1520 SCSI CONTROLLER and a TANDBURG TDC 3800 SCSI Tape Drive. > > Both the controller card and the tape drive are sensed and recognized. > And the tape is showing that it is write enabled. > > When I try to list the contents of the tape using the command > > tar t > the system appears to hang. > > A few minutes later I start receiving an error message > > /kernel: st0(aic0:2:0): timed out > > This will continue until I reboot the system. > > I am unable to kill the process > > tar t > > The drive and the card are known to be in good working order. > > I had removed them this morning from a system running SCO UNIX. I have one of these drives too, and I've never had any trouble with it. The symptoms look like SCSI chain problems. What else do you have connected? How is it terminated? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 00:08:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00443 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from toad.async.org (hun-al1-24.ix.netcom.com [205.184.6.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00438 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:08:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dono@async.org) Received: from localhost (dono@localhost) by toad.async.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA00550; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:06:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:06:47 -0600 (CST) From: Pilo Phlat To: questions@feebsd.org, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Keyboard (PS/2?) problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a PS/2 keyboard here, from "PC Concepts". It is the split-key (ergonomic), 107-key version (not the 109-key w/ touchpad). The keyboard is connected to a FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE machine, with syscons driver, psm driver for the PS/2 mouse, and so on (mail me if you need to see the entire kernel config). The problem is that somewhat randomly (I cannot repeat this on-demand), about every 2-3 days (sometimes not even 1 day, sometimes 4-5 days) of being up, the keyboard freezes. It is usually after switching virtual consoles (with alt+Fkey). I could not find a way to reset the keyboard after it froze, and had to reboot the machine remotely. When I un-plug the keyboard and plug it back in, the Num/Caps/Scroll lock LEDs flash, but the keyboard is still frozen. Only way I could get it back to work is by rebooting the machine. It seems, though, that this is a problem with the keyboard itself, not FreeBSD (I haven't verified this). I've had this problem with Linux and Windows 98 as well, but in those cases, simply un-plugging and plugging the keyboard back in fixes the problem. Assuming that this is a problem with the keyboard, is there way to prevent this somehow (I doubt it, but ...)? If not, is there any way to reset it, so that I could use the keyboard again without rebooting (something like /usr/sbin/kcon -R won't help, since I'm using the syscons driver, not pcvt)? If any of you readers have experienced a similar problem with the same kind of keyboard, or a different kind, I'd like to know. Thanks for your time. -d. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 05:51:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03507 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 05:51:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03485 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 05:51:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@mmrd.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id IAA21869; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:36:43 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma021867; Thu Dec 24 08:36:13 1998 Message-ID: <3682434A.978957F9@mmrd.com> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:36:10 -0500 From: "David W. Alderman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: "krell@krellonline.com" , "'freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: SCSI TAPE Drives References: <01BE2E75.55F73BF0.rlinane@krellonline.com> <19981224122552.F12346@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The 1520 is a fairly modest SCSI card. Could this have something to do with the problem? Greg Lehey wrote: > On Wednesday, 23 December 1998 at 13:08:29 -0500, Richard J. Linane wrote: > > I am running FreeBSD 2.2.7. > > > > I have an Adaptec 1520 SCSI CONTROLLER and a TANDBURG TDC 3800 SCSI Tape Drive. > > > > Both the controller card and the tape drive are sensed and recognized. > > And the tape is showing that it is write enabled. > > > > When I try to list the contents of the tape using the command > > > > tar t > > the system appears to hang. > > > > A few minutes later I start receiving an error message > > > > /kernel: st0(aic0:2:0): timed out > > > > This will continue until I reboot the system. > > > > I am unable to kill the process > > > > tar t > > > > The drive and the card are known to be in good working order. > > > > I had removed them this morning from a system running SCO UNIX. > > I have one of these drives too, and I've never had any trouble with > it. The symptoms look like SCSI chain problems. What else do you > have connected? How is it terminated? > > Greg > Dave Alderman - Democracy should not be capital intensive. dave@persprog.com is changing to dave@mmrd.com dwa@atlantic.net -or- dwald@earthlink.net -or- dalderman@compuserve.com (much to my shame) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 07:12:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10709 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from abby.skypoint.net (abby.skypoint.net [199.86.32.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10693 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:12:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bruce@zuhause.mn.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by abby.skypoint.net (8.8.7/jl 1.3) with UUCP id JAA11513; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:12:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (from bruce@localhost) by zuhause.mn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA78766; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:00:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bruce) From: Bruce Albrecht MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13954.22306.733363.415028@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:00:50 -0600 (CST) To: Mark turpin Cc: Brett Glass , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19981213163548.06cd3450@mail.lariat.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark turpin writes: > On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > > > I'm looking for some good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards which are > > supported by drivers included with FreeBSD. Unfortunately, the ones listed > > in the "Readme" are "name brands" -- and are going for $80-100 instead of > > the $20 that most people seem to be paying for Ethernet NICs for WinDoze. > > For example, the Netgear FA310TX is priced in the mid-$20's and comes from > > a reputable company, but I can't tell if it will work. > > > RealTek 8139 based card. They are 10/100Mbps PCI, work with > FreeBSD (rl0 driver), and you can get them for $15-$20. I have about > 20 of them. I have a $20 RealTek 8139 card, and while it's rock solid and gives reasonable transfer rates at 10 Mbps, it's only capable of doing about 50 Mbps sustained transfers in 100 Mbps mode and eats up 25% of a 200 MHz PPro's CPU. And that was before Bill Paul made it copy buffers nearly all the time because of alignment problems I reported with PPP traffic. If I find an Intel EtherExpress 100 for < $40, I'm going to replace the RealTek in a shot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 07:15:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11123 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:15:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from abby.skypoint.net (abby.skypoint.net [199.86.32.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11118 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:15:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bruce@zuhause.mn.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by abby.skypoint.net (8.8.7/jl 1.3) with UUCP id JAA11763; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:15:27 -0600 (CST) Received: (from bruce@localhost) by zuhause.mn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA78801; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:05:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bruce) From: Bruce Albrecht MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13954.22600.444777.718963@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:05:44 -0600 (CST) To: Jamie Bowden Cc: Mike Smith , Brett Glass , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: References: <199812150232.SAA01836@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jamie Bowden writes: > I have no idea who made it, or where it came from, as it was here when I > got here. I've never even put it in a machine to see how well it works, > but it's kinda cool, as I had never seen a 100mbit ISA card before. National made a chip set, and Intel sold a ISA card with a 10/100 Mbps, but the Linux Ethernet driver guru never got the specs out of anyone, and when I tried a couple of months ago, Intel told me to talk to National, and National told me to talk to my local distributers, and the two distributers' national document centers didn't have it. I guess National and Intel are both ashamed to have been involved in a card that can use 100% of the bandwidth of the ISA bus. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 10:17:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01286 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:17:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01277 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:17:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id LAA26884; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:17:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981224111327.05a4d230@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brett@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:14:19 -0700 To: Bruce Albrecht , Mark turpin From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <13954.22306.733363.415028@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> References: <4.1.19981213163548.06cd3450@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The best price I have found on the Intel 10/100 cards is BUY.COM in the low $40's. --Brett At 09:00 AM 12/24/98 -0600, Bruce Albrecht wrote: >Mark turpin writes: > > On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > I'm looking for some good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards which are > > > supported by drivers included with FreeBSD. Unfortunately, the ones listed > > > in the "Readme" are "name brands" -- and are going for $80-100 instead of > > > the $20 that most people seem to be paying for Ethernet NICs for WinDoze. > > > For example, the Netgear FA310TX is priced in the mid-$20's and comes from > > > a reputable company, but I can't tell if it will work. > > > > > RealTek 8139 based card. They are 10/100Mbps PCI, work with > > FreeBSD (rl0 driver), and you can get them for $15-$20. I have about > > 20 of them. > >I have a $20 RealTek 8139 card, and while it's rock solid and gives >reasonable transfer rates at 10 Mbps, it's only capable of doing about >50 Mbps sustained transfers in 100 Mbps mode and eats up 25% of a 200 >MHz PPro's CPU. And that was before Bill Paul made it copy buffers >nearly all the time because of alignment problems I reported with PPP >traffic. If I find an Intel EtherExpress 100 for < $40, I'm going to >replace the RealTek in a shot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 10:17:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01305 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:17:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01289 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:17:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id LAA26887; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:17:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981224111449.05a48100@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brett@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:16:11 -0700 To: Bruce Albrecht , Jamie Bowden From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: Mike Smith , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <13954.22600.444777.718963@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> References: <199812150232.SAA01836@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:05 AM 12/24/98 -0600, Bruce Albrecht wrote: >National made a chip set, and Intel sold a ISA card with a 10/100 >Mbps, but the Linux Ethernet driver guru never got the specs out of >anyone, and when I tried a couple of months ago, Intel told me to talk >to National, and National told me to talk to my local distributers, >and the two distributers' national document centers didn't have it. I >guess National and Intel are both ashamed to have been involved in a >card that can use 100% of the bandwidth of the ISA bus. That's assuming that you're using UDP, or some other protocol without pacing, exclusively. I think that 100 Mbps interfaces do make some sense for ISA because they at least eliminate some latency. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 12:52:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18513 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:52:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.seanet.com (dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18453 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:52:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@two.sabami.seaslug.org) Received: from two.sabami.seaslug.org (c2-sab.seanet.com [204.182.113.50]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13308; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from two.sabami.seaslug.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by two.sabami.seaslug.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA00391; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:50:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812242050.MAA00391@two.sabami.seaslug.org> To: Brett Glass cc: Bruce Albrecht , Mark turpin , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? References: <4.1.19981213163548.06cd3450@mail.lariat.org> <4.1.19981224111327.05a4d230@127.0.0.1> In-reply-to: <4.1.19981224111327.05a4d230@127.0.0.1> From: Scott Blachowicz Reply-to: Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <388.914532608.1@two.sabami.seaslug.org> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:50:09 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > The best price I have found on the Intel 10/100 cards is BUY.COM in the > low $40's. Don't know if it's worth considering, but a friend of mine recently had a bad experience with BUY.COM and sent out an email to all of his friends to avoid them. I think it was something about their promising delivery within a certain amount of time if the item was in stock and all of the items on their wite were "in stock". He wanted something by Christmas...now his order cancellation is "under review" and he won't hear back from them until after the 1st of the year. Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 15:10:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03160 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03100 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:09:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA14051; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:39:21 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA16895; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:39:22 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981225093922.Z12346@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:39:22 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "David W. Alderman" Cc: krell@pcnet.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI TAPE Drives References: <01BE2E75.55F73BF0.rlinane@krellonline.com> <19981224122552.F12346@freebie.lemis.com> <3682434A.978957F9@mmrd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3682434A.978957F9@mmrd.com>; from David W. Alderman on Thu, Dec 24, 1998 at 08:36:10AM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 24 December 1998 at 8:36:10 -0500, David W. Alderman wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 23 December 1998 at 13:08:29 -0500, Richard J. Linane wrote: >>> I am running FreeBSD 2.2.7. >>> >>> I have an Adaptec 1520 SCSI CONTROLLER and a TANDBURG TDC 3800 SCSI Tape Drive. >>> >>> Both the controller card and the tape drive are sensed and recognized. >>> And the tape is showing that it is write enabled. >>> >>> When I try to list the contents of the tape using the command >>> >>> tar t >>> the system appears to hang. >>> >>> A few minutes later I start receiving an error message >>> >>> /kernel: st0(aic0:2:0): timed out >>> >>> This will continue until I reboot the system. >>> >>> I am unable to kill the process >>> >>> tar t >>> >>> The drive and the card are known to be in good working order. >>> >>> I had removed them this morning from a system running SCO UNIX. >> >> I have one of these drives too, and I've never had any trouble with >> it. The symptoms look like SCSI chain problems. What else do you >> have connected? How is it terminated? > > The 1520 is a fairly modest SCSI card. Could this have something to do with the > problem? Not directly, but the driver support is not spectacular either. But as I said, the message implies problems with the SCSI chain. The way it handles it could theoretically be a problem with the driver. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 16:45:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13462 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:45:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13457 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:45:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA29310; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:45:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981224172827.03e08870@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brett@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:37:20 -0700 To: Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: Bruce Albrecht , Mark turpin , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812242050.MAA00391@two.sabami.seaslug.org> References: <4.1.19981224111327.05a4d230@127.0.0.1> <4.1.19981213163548.06cd3450@mail.lariat.org> <4.1.19981224111327.05a4d230@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:50 PM 12/24/98 -0800, Scott Blachowicz wrote: >Don't know if it's worth considering, but a friend of mine recently had a bad >experience with BUY.COM and sent out an email to all of his friends to avoid >them. I think it was something about their promising delivery within a >certain amount of time if the item was in stock and all of the items on their >wite were "in stock". He wanted something by Christmas...now his order >cancellation is "under review" and he won't hear back from them until after >the 1st of the year. BUY.COM clearly works on a low- or even zero inventory basis. You can get them to CANCEL an order or an item on an order just by calling their 800 number, but they are not as responsive to e-mail. Two days after I e-mailed them to cancel an item, they sent a message saying that it was backordered. I called and found out that they hadn't read the e-mail yet. At least if they mess up, and you ordered with a credit card, you DO have recourse. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 16:56:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14796 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:56:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13840; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:46:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wpaul) From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199812250046.QAA13840@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: <13954.22306.733363.415028@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> from Bruce Albrecht at "Dec 24, 98 09:00:50 am" To: bruce@zuhause.mn.org (Bruce Albrecht) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:46:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: mturpin@shadow.spel.com, brett@lariat.org, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mark turpin writes: > > On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > I'm looking for some good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards which are > > > supported by drivers included with FreeBSD. Unfortunately, the ones listed > > > in the "Readme" are "name brands" -- and are going for $80-100 instead of > > > the $20 that most people seem to be paying for Ethernet NICs for WinDoze. > > > For example, the Netgear FA310TX is priced in the mid-$20's and comes from > > > a reputable company, but I can't tell if it will work. > > > > > RealTek 8139 based card. They are 10/100Mbps PCI, work with > > FreeBSD (rl0 driver), and you can get them for $15-$20. I have about > > 20 of them. > > I have a $20 RealTek 8139 card, and while it's rock solid and gives > reasonable transfer rates at 10 Mbps, it's only capable of doing about > 50 Mbps sustained transfers in 100 Mbps mode and eats up 25% of a 200 > MHz PPro's CPU. And that was before Bill Paul made it copy buffers > nearly all the time because of alignment problems I reported with PPP > traffic. If I find an Intel EtherExpress 100 for < $40, I'm going to > replace the RealTek in a shot. The RealTek is a pretty cruddy chip. It's the only PCI bus master DMA ethernet chip that doesn't use a descriptor-based data transfer mechanism. You will get decent performance out of it if and only if you have a really mean CPU to drive it: on a Dell PowerEdge 2300/400 (dual Pentium II 400Mhz SMP box) I can actually get it to do 11.5MB/sec on transmit, however I suspect that's because of some bcopy() optimizations that are done by the kernel on PII processors. If I'm lucky I can get it to do 7MB/sec on a Pentium 200. Cache may also be an issue. Note that SMC also uses the RealTek in a board called the EZ Card 10/100 PCI 1211TX. The chip may have the RealTek logo covered up and they changed the PCI vendor and device ID in the EEPROM, but it's definately a RealTek. (Out of curiosity, if somebody uses these with LoseNT and can do some performance comparisons between the LoseNT driver and the FreeBSD driver, I'd be intersted in seeing the results. Granted LoseNT's networking is vastly different from FreeBSD's, but it would still be fun to compare them.) Other cut-rate boards that should work, in order of desirability: - ThunderLAN based cards (Compaq Netelligent, Olicom 2326). The Texas Instruments ThunderLAN is a nice chip, sadly underused. There aren't exactly cut-rate; pricing is often on par with the high-end cards (Intel, 3Com) but if you can find one cheap, grab it. Performance is comparable to the Intel and 3Com XL cards (uses the if_tl driver). - Boards based on the Macronix 98713A, 98715 and 98725 chips. These are DEC tulip clones and will work with the if_mx driver. Performance is pretty good. Note: the 98713 is different from the 98713A: the former has an MII bus for NWAY-capable PHYs while the latter has NWAY support built in. I have not been able to obtain a 98713 board for perper testing so I don't guarantee that the autoselection will work. However, the card should still work if you manually set the media with ifconfig. The 98713A, 98715 and 98725 cards should all autonegotiate properly. - The Netgear FA310TX Rev D1 with the PNIC chip will indeed work with FreeBSD using the if_pn driver. Speed should be good. The LinkSys LNE100TX and Matrox 10/100 FastNIC will also work. - VIA Rhine I/Rhine II cards such as the D-Link DFE530TX. These are reasonably reliable but performance will suck just like the RealTek. Why? Because although the Rhine chip uses descriptor-based DMA mechanism, it expects data buffers to be longword-aligned. In BSD networking, you aren't always guaranteed that packet fragments in mbufs will start on longword boundaries, which means you have to do buffer copies on transmit. The RealTek 8139 suffers from the same flaw, and I strongly suspect that the VIA Rhine chips began life as RealTek products. Works with the if_vr driver. - Winbond W89C840F cards, such as the Trendware T100-PCIE. This chip is a half-hearted tulip clone, however it suffers from some extreme brain damage. I recently discovered that it generates corrupt packets at 10Mbps half-duplex mode in some cases and I'm still trying to find a way around this problem. It does appear to work okay in 10Mbps full-duplex and at 100Mbps modes. If somebody dumps a bunch of these on your desk, give them a try, but don't expect too much. The receiver on the Winbond also appears to freak out sometimes when the link partnerswitches modes. For example, say you have a Winbond card connected via crossover cable to some other card at 10Mbps half duplex. You exchange some traffic; all seems well. Now you go to the other system and switch the card to 100Mbps full-duplex. The Winbond receiver will start scribbling all over its receive descriptors with garbage error frames. The if_wb driver tries to hit the chip over the head with a hammer as hard as it can in order to make it shut up, but it's amazingly persistent. Note that I also have plans to add driver support for another tulip clone made by ASIX Electronics. Mike Smith has promised to send me a sample board for testing, which will probably arrive after the holidays. There are literally dozens of cheap boards available from various vendors under various names and model numbers, so trying to list all of them is difficult. Often you will find the exact same card being sold by two different vendors under different names (and for different prices). Sometimes the same vendor will even sell two different cards under the same name (once their supply of one card dries up, they find another one and pack it in the same box). However most of them use one of the chips listed above, all of which are of course made in Taiwan (except the ThunderLAN). This means that before buying, ask the salesdroid if they can take the board out of the box and show it to you, then check the card's controller chip. This is still not a 100% sure way to tell if the board will work with FreeBSD since some vendors put their own markings on the chips just to confuse you, but it's better than relying on the vendor's model number or the picture on the box. -Bill P.S.: If someone actually has a Macronix 98713 card they're not using and would consider donating (or loaning) it to the FreeBSD project, or knows of somebody actually selling an MX98713 board, please let me know. The 98713 has been largely replaced by the 98713A, but I'd still like to support it properly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 20:46:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01352 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from venus.GAIANET.NET (venus.GAIANET.NET [207.211.200.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01342; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:46:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@venus.GAIANET.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by venus.GAIANET.NET (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA21531; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:46:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@venus.GAIANET.NET) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:46:17 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Paul cc: Bruce Albrecht , mturpin@shadow.spel.com, brett@lariat.org, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: <199812250046.QAA13840@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Bill Paul wrote: > > Mark turpin writes: > > > On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > I'm looking for some good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards which are > > > > supported by drivers included with FreeBSD. Unfortunately, the ones listed > > > > in the "Readme" are "name brands" -- and are going for $80-100 instead of > > > > the $20 that most people seem to be paying for Ethernet NICs for WinDoze. > > > > For example, the Netgear FA310TX is priced in the mid-$20's and comes from > > > > a reputable company, but I can't tell if it will work. > > > > > > > RealTek 8139 based card. They are 10/100Mbps PCI, work with > > > FreeBSD (rl0 driver), and you can get them for $15-$20. I have about > > > 20 of them. > > > > I have a $20 RealTek 8139 card, and while it's rock solid and gives > > reasonable transfer rates at 10 Mbps, it's only capable of doing about > > 50 Mbps sustained transfers in 100 Mbps mode and eats up 25% of a 200 > > MHz PPro's CPU. And that was before Bill Paul made it copy buffers > > nearly all the time because of alignment problems I reported with PPP > > traffic. If I find an Intel EtherExpress 100 for < $40, I'm going to > > replace the RealTek in a shot. > > The RealTek is a pretty cruddy chip. It's the only PCI bus master DMA > ethernet chip that doesn't use a descriptor-based data transfer mechanism. > You will get decent performance out of it if and only if you have a > really mean CPU to drive it: on a Dell PowerEdge 2300/400 (dual Pentium II > 400Mhz SMP box) I can actually get it to do 11.5MB/sec on transmit, > however I suspect that's because of some bcopy() optimizations that > are done by the kernel on PII processors. If I'm lucky I can get it > to do 7MB/sec on a Pentium 200. Cache may also be an issue. Where can I even find a 10/100Mbps NIC Card that uses the RealTek chip? So from what you're saying above, a AMD K6-200, 233 and Intel Pentium 75, 90, 100, 233MMX won't be able to drive it? > Note that SMC also uses the RealTek in a board called the EZ Card 10/100 > PCI 1211TX. The chip may have the RealTek logo covered up and they > changed the PCI vendor and device ID in the EEPROM, but it's definately > a RealTek. (Out of curiosity, if somebody uses these with LoseNT and > can do some performance comparisons between the LoseNT driver and the > FreeBSD driver, I'd be intersted in seeing the results. Granted LoseNT's > networking is vastly different from FreeBSD's, but it would still be > fun to compare them.) I always thought SMC has their own chipset besides using the Digital DEC before. Out of curiousity, I noticed that there is a SMSC, is that the same thing as SMC? > Other cut-rate boards that should work, in order of desirability: > > - ThunderLAN based cards (Compaq Netelligent, Olicom 2326). The > Texas Instruments ThunderLAN is a nice chip, sadly underused. > There aren't exactly cut-rate; pricing is often on par with the > high-end cards (Intel, 3Com) but if you can find one cheap, grab it. > Performance is comparable to the Intel and 3Com XL cards (uses > the if_tl driver). I haven't seen any of these around anywhere. > - Boards based on the Macronix 98713A, 98715 and 98725 chips. These > are DEC tulip clones and will work with the if_mx driver. > Performance is pretty good. Note: the 98713 is different from the > 98713A: the former has an MII bus for NWAY-capable PHYs while the > latter has NWAY support built in. I have not been able to obtain > a 98713 board for perper testing so I don't guarantee that the > autoselection will work. However, the card should still work if you > manually set the media with ifconfig. The 98713A, 98715 and 98725 > cards should all autonegotiate properly. Never seen these either. > - The Netgear FA310TX Rev D1 with the PNIC chip will indeed work > with FreeBSD using the if_pn driver. Speed should be good. The > LinkSys LNE100TX and Matrox 10/100 FastNIC will also work. Hmmm, which one is the PNIC chip? Is it the one that says DEC on it or is it the current model with Netgear printed on the chip? So the current Linksys LNE100TX does work? Are these boards as good as the 3Com and Intel? > - VIA Rhine I/Rhine II cards such as the D-Link DFE530TX. These > are reasonably reliable but performance will suck just like the > RealTek. Why? Because although the Rhine chip uses descriptor-based > DMA mechanism, it expects data buffers to be longword-aligned. In > BSD networking, you aren't always guaranteed that packet fragments > in mbufs will start on longword boundaries, which means you have > to do buffer copies on transmit. The RealTek 8139 suffers from the > same flaw, and I strongly suspect that the VIA Rhine chips began > life as RealTek products. Works with the if_vr driver. Hmmm, guess that one is out of the question even though I see it all over the place. > - Winbond W89C840F cards, such as the Trendware T100-PCIE. This chip > is a half-hearted tulip clone, however it suffers from some extreme > brain damage. I recently discovered that it generates corrupt packets > at 10Mbps half-duplex mode in some cases and I'm still trying to > find a way around this problem. It does appear to work okay in > 10Mbps full-duplex and at 100Mbps modes. If somebody dumps a bunch > of these on your desk, give them a try, but don't expect too much. I haven't seen much of these other than the 10BT NICs. > The receiver on the Winbond also appears to freak out sometimes when > the link partnerswitches modes. For example, say you have a Winbond > card connected via crossover cable to some other card at 10Mbps > half duplex. You exchange some traffic; all seems well. Now you > go to the other system and switch the card to 100Mbps full-duplex. > The Winbond receiver will start scribbling all over its receive > descriptors with garbage error frames. The if_wb driver tries to > hit the chip over the head with a hammer as hard as it can in order > to make it shut up, but it's amazingly persistent. Wow, now this is really bad. > Note that I also have plans to add driver support for another tulip > clone made by ASIX Electronics. Mike Smith has promised to send me a > sample board for testing, which will probably arrive after the holidays. > There are literally dozens of cheap boards available from various vendors > under various names and model numbers, so trying to list all of them > is difficult. Often you will find the exact same card being sold by two > different vendors under different names (and for different prices). > Sometimes the same vendor will even sell two different cards under the > same name (once their supply of one card dries up, they find another one > and pack it in the same box). However most of them use one of the > chips listed above, all of which are of course made in Taiwan (except > the ThunderLAN). This means that before buying, ask the salesdroid > if they can take the board out of the box and show it to you, then check > the card's controller chip. This is still not a 100% sure way to tell > if the board will work with FreeBSD since some vendors put their own > markings on the chips just to confuse you, but it's better than relying > on the vendor's model number or the picture on the box. That's very true but most places won't let a person buy the board and return it if it doesn't work. > -Bill > > P.S.: If someone actually has a Macronix 98713 card they're not using > and would consider donating (or loaning) it to the FreeBSD project, > or knows of somebody actually selling an MX98713 board, please let > me know. The 98713 has been largely replaced by the 98713A, but > I'd still like to support it properly. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 23:45:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15745 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:45:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15739; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:45:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA01462; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:44:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981225003737.059813b0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brett@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:43:29 -0700 To: Bill Paul , bruce@zuhause.mn.org (Bruce Albrecht) From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: mturpin@shadow.spel.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812250046.QAA13840@hub.freebsd.org> References: <13954.22306.733363.415028@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:46 PM 12/24/98 -0800, Bill Paul wrote: >- Winbond W89C840F cards, such as the Trendware T100-PCIE. This chip > is a half-hearted tulip clone, however it suffers from some extreme > brain damage. I recently discovered that it generates corrupt packets > at 10Mbps half-duplex mode in some cases and I'm still trying to > find a way around this problem. It does appear to work okay in > 10Mbps full-duplex and at 100Mbps modes. If somebody dumps a bunch > of these on your desk, give them a try, but don't expect too much. JDR is selling these as a DFI card; the prices are attractive. One of the big problems for driver writers seems to be that many chips require 32-bit alignment of packets (or parts thereof). How hard would it be to adapt FreeBSD's network stack to satisfy this requirement automatically? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 24 23:47:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16005 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:47:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15997; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:47:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA01488; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:47:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981225004417.0590f180@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brett@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:46:25 -0700 To: Vincent Poy , Bill Paul From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: Bruce Albrecht , mturpin@shadow.spel.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199812250046.QAA13840@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:46 PM 12/24/98 -0800, Vincent Poy wrote: > Where can I even find a 10/100Mbps NIC Card that uses the RealTek >chip? Egghead is auctioning off KTI boards based on the RealTek chip. (They also have a KTI board that's based on something else, so check the model number.) Typical price at the close of auction is $9-12. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 25 09:42:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21687 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:42:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21681; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:42:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wpaul) From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199812251742.JAA21681@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: from Vincent Poy at "Dec 24, 98 08:46:17 pm" To: vince@venus.GAIANET.NET (Vincent Poy) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:42:20 -0800 (PST) Cc: bruce@zuhause.mn.org, mturpin@shadow.spel.com, brett@lariat.org, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Where can I even find a 10/100Mbps NIC Card that uses the RealTek > chip? Again, they crop up in various places; it's hard to keep track. The only one I know of for sure is the SMC 1211TX. > So from what you're saying above, a AMD K6-200, 233 and Intel > Pentium 75, 90, 100, 233MMX won't be able to drive it? They should work with any CPU, and getting 10Mbps isn't a problem no matter what, but trying to get 100Mbps is going to be hard unless your CPU can do really fast buffer copies. Frankly, I was stunned that it worked as well as it did on the PII 400; so far I haven't seen anyone else try a RealTek card on a similar system and report the same results. > > Note that SMC also uses the RealTek in a board called the EZ Card 10/100 > > PCI 1211TX. The chip may have the RealTek logo covered up and they > > changed the PCI vendor and device ID in the EEPROM, but it's definately > > a RealTek. (Out of curiosity, if somebody uses these with LoseNT and > > can do some performance comparisons between the LoseNT driver and the > > FreeBSD driver, I'd be intersted in seeing the results. Granted LoseNT's > > networking is vastly different from FreeBSD's, but it would still be > > fun to compare them.) > > I always thought SMC has their own chipset besides using the > Digital DEC before. They still do: they still sell the EPIC-based Etherpower II cards. The EZ Card 10/100 PCI is supposed to be a low cost alternative. I think one of the reasons they feel they can get away with selling such a crappy card is that Micro$oft keeps increasing the 'minimum' system requirements for running Windoze. You can overcome the crappy performance of the RealTek chip by throwing more CPU power at it, but the result is that you end up paying a lot of money for a husky CPU because you thought you were getting a good deal on a $5 ethernet card. > Out of curiousity, I noticed that there is a SMSC, is > that the same thing as SMC? I'm not quite sure what happened to SMC, however SMSC (www.smsc.com) appears to be the chip-making portion of the company while SMC (www.smc.com) seems to be the retail sales and distribution arm. > > Other cut-rate boards that should work, in order of desirability: > > > > - ThunderLAN based cards (Compaq Netelligent, Olicom 2326). The > > Texas Instruments ThunderLAN is a nice chip, sadly underused. > > There aren't exactly cut-rate; pricing is often on par with the > > high-end cards (Intel, 3Com) but if you can find one cheap, grab it. > > Performance is comparable to the Intel and 3Com XL cards (uses > > the if_tl driver). > > I haven't seen any of these around anywhere. I got my Olicom 2326 card from CDW. I think they also have some of the Compaq ones. However Texas Instuments has designated the ThunderLAN as 'don't use in new designs' which means the chip is still in production but they may have plans to phase it out. I also think Compaq is now using Intel chips instead of the tlan these days. Too bad DEC sold off its networking division to Intel before Compaq gobbled them up, otherwise Compaq would have its own source of high- performance ethernet chips. > > - Boards based on the Macronix 98713A, 98715 and 98725 chips. These > > are DEC tulip clones and will work with the if_mx driver. > > Performance is pretty good. Note: the 98713 is different from the > > 98713A: the former has an MII bus for NWAY-capable PHYs while the > > latter has NWAY support built in. I have not been able to obtain > > a 98713 board for perper testing so I don't guarantee that the > > autoselection will work. However, the card should still work if you > > manually set the media with ifconfig. The 98713A, 98715 and 98725 > > cards should all autonegotiate properly. > > Never seen these either. The 98713A card I have is a SOHOware SFA100A from NDC Communications. A company called Cnet also sells some cards that use this chip. The SVEC PN102TX was also supposed to be a Macronix 98713, but when I ordered one it turned out to be a VIA Rhine II. > > - The Netgear FA310TX Rev D1 with the PNIC chip will indeed work > > with FreeBSD using the if_pn driver. Speed should be good. The > > LinkSys LNE100TX and Matrox 10/100 FastNIC will also work. > > Hmmm, which one is the PNIC chip? The one that says PNIC on it? :) > Is it the one that says DEC on > it or is it the current model with Netgear printed on the chip? DEC is DEC. The one that says Netgear on it is a PNIC (Lite-On 82c169). If you look closely it says '169B' on there somewhere; this is the only indication that it's an 82c169 Lite-On chip. It also has a Level One LXT970 PHY chip. > So the > current Linksys LNE100TX does work? Yes: the chip says LINKSYS and 82c169 on it. This is also a PNIC. The Matrox FastNIC 10/100 is the same exact card as the LinkSys LNE100TX, except the chip on that one actually says PNIC on it. The board layout and all the components are identical though. I'm not sure which one is cheaper. > Are these boards as good as the 3Com > and Intel? As good? No, I wouldn't say that. They're not bad, but the Intel and 3Com have a nicer design. > > - VIA Rhine I/Rhine II cards such as the D-Link DFE530TX. These > > are reasonably reliable but performance will suck just like the > > RealTek. Why? Because although the Rhine chip uses descriptor-based > > DMA mechanism, it expects data buffers to be longword-aligned. In > > BSD networking, you aren't always guaranteed that packet fragments > > in mbufs will start on longword boundaries, which means you have > > to do buffer copies on transmit. The RealTek 8139 suffers from the > > same flaw, and I strongly suspect that the VIA Rhine chips began > > life as RealTek products. Works with the if_vr driver. > > Hmmm, guess that one is out of the question even though I see it > all over the place. This one may actually be slightly better than the RealTek, however on my Pentium 200 test machine I can only get about 7MB/sec out of it on transmit. > > - Winbond W89C840F cards, such as the Trendware T100-PCIE. This chip > > is a half-hearted tulip clone, however it suffers from some extreme > > brain damage. I recently discovered that it generates corrupt packets > > at 10Mbps half-duplex mode in some cases and I'm still trying to > > find a way around this problem. It does appear to work okay in > > 10Mbps full-duplex and at 100Mbps modes. If somebody dumps a bunch > > of these on your desk, give them a try, but don't expect too much. > > I haven't seen much of these other than the 10BT NICs. The 10baseT versions use the W89C940F, which is an NE2000 clone. Slightly different model number, totally different chip. -Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 26 23:46:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20926 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:46:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20920 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:46:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10230; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:45:23 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19981227184522.C10072@caamora.com.au> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:45:22 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI TAPE Drives Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <01BE2E75.55F73BF0.rlinane@krellonline.com> <19981224122552.F12346@freebie.lemis.com> <3682434A.978957F9@mmrd.com> <19981225093922.Z12346@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19981225093922.Z12346@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 09:39:22AM +1030 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 09:39:22AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 24 December 1998 at 8:36:10 -0500, David W. Alderman wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > >> On Wednesday, 23 December 1998 at 13:08:29 -0500, Richard J. Linane wrote: > >>> I am running FreeBSD 2.2.7. > >>> > >>> I have an Adaptec 1520 SCSI CONTROLLER and a TANDBURG TDC 3800 SCSI Tape Drive. > >>> > >>> Both the controller card and the tape drive are sensed and recognized. > >>> And the tape is showing that it is write enabled. > >>> > >>> When I try to list the contents of the tape using the command > >>> > >>> tar t > >>> the system appears to hang. > >>> > >>> A few minutes later I start receiving an error message > >>> > >>> /kernel: st0(aic0:2:0): timed out > >>> > >>> This will continue until I reboot the system. > >>> > >>> I am unable to kill the process > >>> > >>> tar t > >>> > >>> The drive and the card are known to be in good working order. > >>> > >>> I had removed them this morning from a system running SCO UNIX. works well with linux, ms windows nt, novell netware, and with arcserve and arcsolo .. nearly forgot ibm os/2 any version. i've had several tandbergs, tdc3620 (scsi streamer - qic-250) and tdc3820 (scsi streamer - qic-525) i've tried to use my current tdc3820 fro several years with freebsd of all persuations. my use has been problematic at beast and at worst, will it took it out of teh machine and put it its shippin carton. part of teh problem that i have is that i cannot read or write c code, the problems as best as i can surmise is that the tnadberd dosn't supply the inofrmation that freebsd need's in the manner that freebsd expects it. on of teh core team, i forgot his name .. sorry. has, that is uses tandberg tdc4200 .. this is teh 2.5 gb raw 5 gb with onboard hardware compression. he also worked out a fix for tandberg drives and it was incorporated into teh operating system code. problem is that teh 'fix' is tdc4100-tdc4200 specific, teh 36's and 38's are subtly different .. he not having a 38 (36 either) .. sorry i digress. anyway, i've not setup a web server and wil be needing to use my tandberg, so i will digout my own notes realting to how i got mine to work. it revolves around telling freebsd specificallu what teh media capacities are. what is happening to the best of my knowledge is that teh tandberg is autosencing and it keeps this information to itself, reckoning teh os dosent need to know. the tenaberg will handle whatever the os will throw at it .. freebds sorta needs to know and chucks a dummy spit if i cannto get what it wants, whic is why the apparent hang .. if you were to force teh issue it will write but at teh drives lowest capacity, beig qic-80 ( teh dc600a cartridges) what i did was to use sysctl to make teh tandberg 'default' to several read write modes, i seltect teh ones fro whic i had readily available tapes, that being qic-150, qic-250 and qic-525's, i set these as st0.1 ... st0.3. i had worked out how to do this, by hand (i've now forgtten how), and worked out at teh time that including it in teh systes startup script would make teh dive avaiable right from startup (ok, just after bootup). or you could make a script to do a certain kind of backup and include teh relevent mode/density inofrmation ofr the drive right on teh command line. i tried to say this when the question was originally aired, by myself actually some 4 years ago. because i made a pigs breakfast of my explanation, whic i;ve done here, i got laguhed off teh list ..so i kept to myself. after that several people asked the same question and were givent eh tdc 4200 SPECIFIC fixes story .. pity they al had teh down market 36's/38's, don;t get me wrong these are so much better than any of teh colorado or hp or whatever they are called those days and al teh 8 mm and 4 mm's and dat's et all .. sory i'm very one eyed and don't have money to burn on warrenty repairs and unreadable tapes. i'm currently saving up for a second hand tdc4200 (for my webserver). i plan to use my tdc3820 as teh network config and general purpose small (500mb) backup device. sorry, fro teh messy writing, i;m not a good communicator. maybe greg, will flesh out what i have said (in an orderly manner) and give us both an easy way to use a good drive ... grin. unless you do have a specific hardware problem don;'t be put off, what you have sen is standard tandberg drive electronic's confusing freebsd as to what tape write/read density is actually being used. becasue teh tape drive can be told what read and write density to use, all you have t do is to actually tell it, either with a script or from teh commandline direct to mt. or with sysctl or some other vehicle that will tel teh drive what mode to use. as best as i can tell, teh 4100 seris has some sort of native intelligance that reads teh tape and reports back, or has a default mode 0x00 setting, whereas teh 36/38's seris have a blank spot that waits to be told ... teh 3600 are 10 year old (plus) technology and all this auto sencing auto this that and the other things was a dream maybe only in bill gates daydreams .. grin. sorry for teh length and teh confusing way its written, i'm not a computer wiz any more, i'am now a disabled person, this is why the spelling is a bit poor as well. > >> > >> I have one of these drives too, and I've never had any trouble with > >> it. The symptoms look like SCSI chain problems. What else do you > >> have connected? How is it terminated? > > > > The 1520 is a fairly modest SCSI card. Could this have something to do with the > > problem? actually, a aha1520 would be ideal as a teh host adapter for teh tandberg, from memory that is what teh '1520's were designed for, well that and readomly cdrom media. > Not directly, but the driver support is not spectacular either. But i can't argue, nor do i see a need too, teh 1520's were a simple read and write to scsi (one an possibly two) tape devices, nearly forgot cdrom drive weh they first came out .. it was adaptec's responce tot eh 'we would use scsi if their was a cheap scsi host adapter" .. ergo teh aha1520. > as I said, the message implies problems with the SCSI chain. The way > it handles it could theoretically be a problem with the driver. teh description is faily close to what i have seen over the years from several freebsd boxen connected to sever diferent tandbergs .. all acuurate configured, termination active or passive and correctly setup .. blah blaha. all i can say is that freebsd is getting its knickers in a know about data desnity mode teh dive is actually using. if you wouldn't mind sharing you how-to make a tandberg work, specifically if it is a ted3600 or tdc3800, i'm sure i would apreciate teh information. as i said, don;'t be put off my peol ewho havent a cluse nor know what a tandberg looks like let alone how it works ... i origianlly spent some 6 monts in torment over my inability to set a 'simple' scsi tape drive. i was constant;y told my harware was rubbish and or i was so stupid i couldn't even plug in a tape drive . all this was gleaned from my spelling, no one ever asked me. anyway, tak care and as tehy say keep teh faith, yo tandberg is a good drive and freebsd does support it all be it not as automatically as some of teh far less superior. er down market stuff. i'f, when i get my notes found i will post teh script details. umm eamil tehm. warmest regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message