From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 1 16:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA24333 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:53:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.trace.com.tw (root@mail.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24320 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:53:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ronald@trace.com.tw) Received: from ronald.trace.com.tw (ronald@ronald.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.30]) by mail.trace.com.tw (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA05156 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:51:26 +0800 Message-Id: <199801020051.IAA05156@mail.trace.com.tw> X-Comments: ****** Message sent through an Trace acount ****** X-http: ****** http://www.trace.com.tw ****** From: "Ronald Wiplinger" To: "FreeBSD-isp" Date: Fri, 02 Jan 98 08:54:59 +0800 Reply-To: "Ronald Wiplinger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Etinc cards and SNMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have finally successfully installed the Etinc router cards on my FreeBSD routers. BTW, the cards are good and stabled, but hopefully you do not need any support from Etinc. ------------- I try to use snmp to get information about the router traffic. MRTG is a nice graphic program, that can show the traffic. I can find via snmp the interface name, but there are no settings, like speed, bandwidth ... so that it does not gather information. Has anybody Etinc router cards (or other ones) in use with snmp ? bye Ronald Wiplinger Gen. Manager of Wang's Trace International Co., Ltd. (Taiwan: Taipei, Touyuan, Kaohsiung) Tel: +886 2 609-0652, Handy: +886 932 251430 Fax: +886 2 600-0132 http://www.trace.com.tw From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 1 17:58:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA27770 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:58:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns1.hiper.net (ns1.hiper.net [207.137.172.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA27765 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:58:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (pool41.hiper.net [207.137.172.41]) by ns1.hiper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15452; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:19:06 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980101175935.02ccf100@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:59:35 -0800 To: "Ronald Wiplinger" , "FreeBSD-isp" From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Etinc cards and SNMP In-Reply-To: <199801020051.IAA05156@mail.trace.com.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, At 08:54 AM 1/2/98 +0800, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: >I have finally successfully installed the Etinc router cards on my FreeBSD routers. > Finally? My installation(s) have always been very quick. >BTW, the cards are good and stabled, but hopefully you do not need any support from Etinc. > I disagree, though Dennis's tone is cold & calculated his ability to assist, quickly, in every technical instance which related directly to HIS product only was about the highest I found for any product. Yes, his tone is cold. No, he will not answer related questions like how to get routing running and how to do BGP peering and the like...but he shines on getting that connection working and the protocol up and tested. I worked with him for about 5-10 minutes each of 2 times (one for Frame Relay, the other for PPP)...that was it...the rest was standard routing which I didn't know and then had to learn some of (need to know more). >------------- > >I try to use snmp to get information about the router traffic. MRTG is a nice graphic program, that can show >the traffic. I can find via snmp the interface name, but there are no settings, like speed, bandwidth ... so that >it does not gather information. > Sure it does, plug in ucb-snmp on the Unix box and do cfgmaker from mrtg on public@ipaddress and away you will go...that's it. >Has anybody Etinc router cards (or other ones) in use with snmp ? > Yep. What's a General Manager doing playing with this stuff...shouldn't you be off managing and hire a techie to do this work? Take Care, Randy Katz From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 07:58:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA08844 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 07:58:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.trace.com.tw (root@mail.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA08839 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 07:58:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ronald@trace.com.tw) Received: from ronald.trace.com.tw (ronald@ronald.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.30]) by mail.trace.com.tw (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA08548; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:56:03 +0800 Message-Id: <199801021556.XAA08548@mail.trace.com.tw> X-Comments: ****** Message sent through an Trace acount ****** X-http: ****** http://www.trace.com.tw ****** From: "Ronald Wiplinger" To: "FreeBSD-isp" , "List linux-isp" , "dennis" Date: Fri, 02 Jan 98 23:59:41 +0800 Reply-To: "Ronald Wiplinger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: The tone of ETINC to his customers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:38:51 -0500, dennis wrote: The tone of ETINC to his customers or think twice before you buy have working cards !!!! >you are an idiot and so is your "lawyer". The screw and the "spring" >(whatever that is) aren't material >parts of the product (they function 100% without them)...but if you are >unhappy you can send them >back and we will repair it for you under warranty. bye Ronald Wiplinger Gen. Manager of Wang's Trace International Co., Ltd. (Taiwan: Taipei, Touyuan, Kaohsiung) Tel: +886 2 609-0652, Handy: +886 932 251430 Fax: +886 2 600-0132 http://www.trace.com.tw From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 08:03:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA09205 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:03:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA09200 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:03:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17505; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:05:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980102110608.00ec0100@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:06:09 -0500 To: "Ronald Wiplinger" , "FreeBSD-isp" , "List linux-isp" From: dennis Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:59 PM 1/2/98 +0800, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: >On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:38:51 -0500, dennis wrote: > > > >The tone of ETINC to his customers or think twice before you buy have working cards !!!! > > >>you are an idiot and so is your "lawyer". The screw and the "spring" >>(whatever that is) aren't material >>parts of the product (they function 100% without them)...but if you are >>unhappy you can send them >>back and we will repair it for you under warranty. > > >bye Most of my customers don't bombard me with moronic questions for weeks on end, argue with me about the answers I give and then threaten to sue me because a screw was missing from a cable. :-) Happy New Year! Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 08:19:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA10103 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:19:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.trace.com.tw (root@mail.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA10097 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:19:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ronald@trace.com.tw) Received: from ronald.trace.com.tw (ronald@ronald.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.30]) by mail.trace.com.tw (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA08703; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:16:39 +0800 Message-Id: <199801021616.AAA08703@mail.trace.com.tw> X-Comments: ****** Message sent through an Trace acount ****** X-http: ****** http://www.trace.com.tw ****** From: "Ronald Wiplinger" To: "List linux-isp" , "FreeBSD-isp" , "dennis" Date: Sat, 03 Jan 98 00:20:17 +0800 Reply-To: "Ronald Wiplinger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ETINC and their support Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >Received: by mail for ronald > (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Sat Jan 3 00:13:17 1998) >X-From_: dennis@etinc.com Sat Jan 3 00:04:44 1998 >Return-Path: >Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) > by mail.trace.com.tw (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP > id AAA08608 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:04:29 +0800 >X-Comments: ****** Message sent through an Trace acount ****** >X-http: ****** http://www.trace.com.tw ****** >Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17535 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:08:45 -0500 (EST) >Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980102110950.00ec06e0@etinc.com> >X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) >Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:09:51 -0500 >To: "Ronald Wiplinger" >From: dennis >Subject: Re: [et-users] MIB database for etinc cards? >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > You've pretty much stepped over the line, and since support is not required by any agreement we have, you're on your own from now on. Dennis ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== bye Ronald Wiplinger Gen. Manager of Wang's Trace International Co., Ltd. (Taiwan: Taipei, Touyuan, Kaohsiung) Tel: +886 2 609-0652, Handy: +886 932 251430 Fax: +886 2 600-0132 http://www.trace.com.tw From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 09:13:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA15263 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:13:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns1.hiper.net (ns1.hiper.net [207.137.172.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA15251 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:13:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (pool35.hiper.net [207.137.172.35]) by ns1.hiper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16299; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:33:57 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980102091401.00a76460@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:14:01 -0800 To: dennis , "Ronald Wiplinger" , "FreeBSD-isp" , "List linux-isp" From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980102110608.00ec0100@etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes, in this case, I agree completely with Dennis. You are an idiot. At 11:06 AM 1/2/98 -0500, dennis wrote: >At 11:59 PM 1/2/98 +0800, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: >>On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:38:51 -0500, dennis wrote: >> >> >> >>The tone of ETINC to his customers or think twice before you buy have >working cards !!!! >> >> >>>you are an idiot and so is your "lawyer". The screw and the "spring" >>>(whatever that is) aren't material >>>parts of the product (they function 100% without them)...but if you are >>>unhappy you can send them >>>back and we will repair it for you under warranty. >> >> >>bye > >Most of my customers don't bombard me with moronic questions for weeks >on end, argue with me about the answers I give and then threaten to sue >me because a screw was missing from a cable. > >:-) > >Happy New Year! > >Dennis > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 09:14:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA15420 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:14:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns1.hiper.net (ns1.hiper.net [207.137.172.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA15400 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:14:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (pool35.hiper.net [207.137.172.35]) by ns1.hiper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16306; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:35:10 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980102091514.00a21dd0@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:15:14 -0800 To: "Ronald Wiplinger" , "FreeBSD-isp" , "List linux-isp" , "dennis" From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers In-Reply-To: <199801021556.XAA08548@mail.trace.com.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk And your English stinks...and you should REALLY learn Taiwanese and hire local talent instead of trying to do it all yourself. At 11:59 PM 1/2/98 +0800, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: >On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:38:51 -0500, dennis wrote: > > > >The tone of ETINC to his customers or think twice before you buy have working cards !!!! > > >>you are an idiot and so is your "lawyer". The screw and the "spring" >>(whatever that is) aren't material >>parts of the product (they function 100% without them)...but if you are >>unhappy you can send them >>back and we will repair it for you under warranty. > > >bye > >Ronald Wiplinger >Gen. Manager of Wang's Trace International Co., Ltd. (Taiwan: Taipei, Touyuan, Kaohsiung) >Tel: +886 2 609-0652, Handy: +886 932 251430 Fax: +886 2 600-0132 >http://www.trace.com.tw > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 09:15:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA15599 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:15:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns1.hiper.net (ns1.hiper.net [207.137.172.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA15592 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:15:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (pool35.hiper.net [207.137.172.35]) by ns1.hiper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16310; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:36:17 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980102091622.0097b480@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:16:22 -0800 To: "Ronald Wiplinger" , "FreeBSD-isp" , "List linux-isp" , "dennis" From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers In-Reply-To: <199801021556.XAA08548@mail.trace.com.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FREEBSD-ISP List: Please accept my apology for the previous post, it really has NOTHING to do with this list or FreeBSD...just thought I needed to defend someone on the basis of humanity. Thanx, Randy Katz At 11:59 PM 1/2/98 +0800, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: >On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:38:51 -0500, dennis wrote: > > > >The tone of ETINC to his customers or think twice before you buy have working cards !!!! > > >>you are an idiot and so is your "lawyer". The screw and the "spring" >>(whatever that is) aren't material >>parts of the product (they function 100% without them)...but if you are >>unhappy you can send them >>back and we will repair it for you under warranty. > > >bye > >Ronald Wiplinger >Gen. Manager of Wang's Trace International Co., Ltd. (Taiwan: Taipei, Touyuan, Kaohsiung) >Tel: +886 2 609-0652, Handy: +886 932 251430 Fax: +886 2 600-0132 >http://www.trace.com.tw > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 09:32:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA17450 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:32:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA17430 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:32:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts1-cltnc-26.cetlink.net [209.54.58.26]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15124; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:31:39 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: dennis Cc: "Ronald Wiplinger" , "FreeBSD-isp" , "List linux-isp" Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 18:32:29 GMT Message-ID: <34ad30e4.198938@mail.cetlink.net> References: <3.0.32.19980102110608.00ec0100@etinc.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980102110608.00ec0100@etinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA17431 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:06:09 -0500, dennis wrote: >>>you are an idiot and so is your "lawyer". >Most of my customers don't bombard me with moronic questions for weeks >on end, argue with me about the answers I give and then threaten to sue >me because a screw was missing from a cable. > >Happy New Year! > >Dennis Anyone with such a poor attitude, insulting customers and potential customers, as you have insulted me in the past, will not last very long in business. You will likely never receive any of my money for your products or services. John From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 10:25:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA21127 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:25:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns1.hiper.net (ns1.hiper.net [207.137.172.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA21050 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:24:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (pool35.hiper.net [207.137.172.35]) by ns1.hiper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA16364; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:45:12 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980102102514.0375aea0@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:25:14 -0800 To: "Ronald Wiplinger" , "List linux-isp" , "FreeBSD-isp" , "dennis" From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: ETINC and their support In-Reply-To: <199801021616.AAA08703@mail.trace.com.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Way to go Dennis. People. Dennis has customers who call and ask about extended support possibilities where they pay extra because they thought the support they received was SO good. I am one of those customers. I just want the list to know that. Please, if you have any questions about Dennis, his adapter cards, or any routing stuff in general. I will answer if I can. This excludes, of course, Mr. Ronald Wiplinger, who didn't even have a word of thanx for the good advise I had given him and he used. Please don't give people like this the time of day. At 12:20 AM 1/3/98 +0800, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: >==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >>Received: by mail for ronald >> (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Sat Jan 3 00:13:17 1998) >>X-From_: dennis@etinc.com Sat Jan 3 00:04:44 1998 >>Return-Path: >>Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) >> by mail.trace.com.tw (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP >> id AAA08608 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:04:29 +0800 >>X-Comments: ****** Message sent through an Trace acount ****** >>X-http: ****** http://www.trace.com.tw ****** >>Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP >id LAA17535 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:08:45 -0500 (EST) >>Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980102110950.00ec06e0@etinc.com> >>X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com >>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) >>Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:09:51 -0500 >>To: "Ronald Wiplinger" >>From: dennis >>Subject: Re: [et-users] MIB database for etinc cards? >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> > > >You've pretty much stepped over the line, and since support is not >required by any agreement we have, you're on your own from now >on. > >Dennis > > >===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== > > >bye > >Ronald Wiplinger >Gen. Manager of Wang's Trace International Co., Ltd. (Taiwan: Taipei, Touyuan, Kaohsiung) >Tel: +886 2 609-0652, Handy: +886 932 251430 Fax: +886 2 600-0132 >http://www.trace.com.tw > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 10:25:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA21146 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:25:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns1.hiper.net (ns1.hiper.net [207.137.172.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA21135 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:25:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (pool35.hiper.net [207.137.172.35]) by ns1.hiper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA16368; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:46:28 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980102102631.03a66cd0@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:26:31 -0800 To: "Ronald Wiplinger" , "List linux-isp" , "FreeBSD-isp" , "dennis" From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: ETINC and their support Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Way to go Dennis. People. Dennis has customers who call and ask about extended support possibilities where they pay extra because they thought the support they received was SO good. I am one of those customers. I just want the list to know that. Please, if you have any questions about Dennis, his adapter cards, or any routing stuff in general. I will answer if I can. This excludes, of course, Mr. Ronald Wiplinger, who didn't even have a word of thanx for the good advise I had given him and he used. Please don't give people like this the time of day. Thanx, Randy Katz At 12:20 AM 1/3/98 +0800, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: >==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >>Received: by mail for ronald >> (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Sat Jan 3 00:13:17 1998) >>X-From_: dennis@etinc.com Sat Jan 3 00:04:44 1998 >>Return-Path: >>Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) >> by mail.trace.com.tw (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP >> id AAA08608 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:04:29 +0800 >>X-Comments: ****** Message sent through an Trace acount ****** >>X-http: ****** http://www.trace.com.tw ****** >>Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP >id LAA17535 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:08:45 -0500 (EST) >>Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980102110950.00ec06e0@etinc.com> >>X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com >>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) >>Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:09:51 -0500 >>To: "Ronald Wiplinger" >>From: dennis >>Subject: Re: [et-users] MIB database for etinc cards? >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> > > >You've pretty much stepped over the line, and since support is not >required by any agreement we have, you're on your own from now >on. > >Dennis > > >===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== > > >bye > >Ronald Wiplinger >Gen. Manager of Wang's Trace International Co., Ltd. (Taiwan: Taipei, Touyuan, Kaohsiung) >Tel: +886 2 609-0652, Handy: +886 932 251430 Fax: +886 2 600-0132 >http://www.trace.com.tw > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 10:39:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA22189 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:39:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [206.14.52.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA22177 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:39:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01385; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:39:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:39:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199801021839.KAA01385@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: dennis@etinc.com, jak@cetlink.net Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org, ronald@trace.com.tw Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Flames and etinc seem to go together like hot dogs and mustard. On a more substantive note, the SDL cards (http://www.sdlcomm.com) have worked well for us. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 11:12:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA24605 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:12:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.trace.com.tw (mail.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24556 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:12:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ronald@trace.com.tw) Received: from ronald.trace.com.tw (ronald@ronald.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.30]) by mail.trace.com.tw (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA09611; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:08:57 +0800 Message-Id: <199801021908.DAA09611@mail.trace.com.tw> X-Comments: ****** Message sent through an Trace acount ****** X-http: ****** http://www.trace.com.tw ****** From: "Ronald Wiplinger" To: "dennis@etinc.com" , "jak@cetlink.net" , "Jim Shankland" Cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" , "linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org" Date: Sat, 03 Jan 98 03:12:35 +0800 Reply-To: "Ronald Wiplinger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:39:06 -0800 (PST), Jim Shankland wrote: >Flames and etinc seem to go together like hot dogs and mustard. > >On a more substantive note, the SDL cards (http://www.sdlcomm.com) >have worked well for us. Thanks for the www page, .... The picture on the right uper side of the page http://www.sdlcomm.com/sales/uspl.html gets for me now a much better meaning, when I think on purchasing a router / router card. >Jim Shankland >Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. > bye Ronald Wiplinger Gen. Manager of Wang's Trace International Co., Ltd. (Taiwan: Taipei, Touyuan, Kaohsiung) Tel: +886 2 609-0652, Handy: +886 932 251430 Fax: +886 2 600-0132 http://www.trace.com.tw From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 2 11:54:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA28888 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:54:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28830 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:53:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA20636; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:37:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:37:23 -0500 (EST) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199801021937.OAA20636@sabre.goldsword.com> To: dennis@etinc.com, jak@cetlink.net, jas@flyingfox.com Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, jfarmer@goldsword.com, linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org, ronald@trace.com.tw Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think that the point that Dennis was making is that he was working with the client "above & beyond" the requirements of any support/ warrenty agreements that were in place. Then the client dumps _PRIVATE_E-MAIL_ between him & Dennis to several mailing lists, akin to opening _my_personal_mail_ & posting it in the town square... (A federal offense in the US...) Is Dennis arrogant, abrasive, rude? At times, yes. Guess what? Most of us are at times (just ask my wife :^> it's what the 2nd & I'm already on her list...) John (Just putting my 2 cents worht in...) ps. Whoever made the crappy remark about the guy's English skills... Not only was _that_ uncalled for, it ranks way below _anything_ Dennis was acqused of... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 06:58:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA14396 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:58:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from eharden.com (eharden.com [207.193.60.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA14390 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:58:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bad@uhf.wireless.net) Received: from uhf.wireless.net (pp1.eharden.com [207.193.60.147]) by eharden.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07412; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:59:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wireless.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA00889; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:05:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:05:20 -0600 (CST) From: Bernie Doehner To: Dru Nelson cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compression disabled by peer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Where are you guys located in the US? Dallas. Does this matter? > Are you using the user mode ppp? No. kernel pppd 2.3 patch level 1 on the client and one of the 2.2's on the server (remmember client is 3.0-971225-SNAP, server is 2.2.1-RELEASE). Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 08:20:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18070 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from True.Net (true.net [200.11.130.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA18065 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:20:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lem@cantv.net) Received: from fwb-1.true.net (fwb-2.true.net [200.11.130.3]) by True.Net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA02273 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:19:58 -0400 (AST) Received: (daemon@localhost) by fwb-1.true.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) id MAA22360 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:19:57 -0400 (VET) Received: from lem.dialup.true.net(200.11.160.2) by fwb-1.true.net via smap (V1.3) id smaa22352; Sat Jan 3 12:19:27 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980103121611.007af8f0@pop.cantv.net> X-Sender: lem@pop.cantv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:16:11 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= Subject: Designing for a very large ISP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi There: We're designing a quite large ISP with the usual requirements about reliability, performance, etc. One of the requirements calls for the capability to eventually support up to 1 million users. During the first year, it'll have to support some 100000 users. Of course, we've already chosen FreeBSD as the core OS for this after looking to Digital Unix, Solaris and Windows NT. Is any of you out there operating or designing something like this? I would love to share toughts/experiences about this. I will gladly summarize the result to the list if there's enough interest. Best regards. -lem From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 10:28:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA24580 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:28:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com ([207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA24574 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:28:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA28571; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:29:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980103133047.00dcf6c0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 13:30:48 -0500 To: "Randy A. Katz" , "John T. Farmer" , jak@cetlink.net, jas@flyingfox.com From: dennis Subject: Dennis' Tone Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, jfarmer@goldsword.com, linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org, ronald@trace.com.tw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm quite well-toned thank you :-) My "tone" is well documented, so why are you guys wasting so much bandwidth (or is business just really slow this time of year?). The last time I bought a product because I liked the salesman was from a busty brunette from SPRINT...and that turned out to be a big mistake! You can't damage ET with this nonsense, Ronald, because everyone already knows the story. Even you publically said we have good products, and most people on these lists are competent enough not to need the kind of hand-holding that you do. Intelligent people's opinions are set by experience, not by out-of-context story tellers, so cut the crap and stop filling hundreds of mailboxes with your whining because the rest of us have work to do. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 10:43:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA25351 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:43:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com ([207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25345 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA28682; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:46:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980103134708.00ab84d0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 13:47:08 -0500 To: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly), "Randy A. Katz" From: dennis Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers Cc: "Ronald Wiplinger" , "FreeBSD-isp" , "List linux-isp" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:42 AM 1/3/98 GMT, John Kelly wrote: >On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:16:22 -0800, "Randy A. Katz" > wrote: > >>FREEBSD-ISP List: Please accept my apology for the previous post, it really >>has NOTHING to do with this list or FreeBSD...just thought I needed to >>defend someone on the basis of humanity. > >If you're taking Dennis' side, I'll likely never buy anything from you >either. > Ohhhhh...Randy let me tell you that losing cetlink's business has had a profound effect on our business....so you'd better take his advice! I make or lose more that that in the stock market every 10 minutes. db From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 11:07:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA26546 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:07:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from semo.tio.net (trio@semo.tio.net [206.14.18.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA26541 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:07:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trio@semo.tio.net) Received: (from trio@localhost) by semo.tio.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA27277; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:08:28 -0800 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:08:25 -0800 (PST) From: trio To: dennis cc: John Kelly , "Randy A. Katz" , Ronald Wiplinger , FreeBSD-isp , List linux-isp Subject: Please stop wasting bandwidth about ETINC's misanthrope! In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980103134708.00ab84d0@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, dennis wrote: > >>FREEBSD-ISP List: Please accept my apology for the previous post, it really > >>has NOTHING to do with this list or FreeBSD...just thought I needed to > >>defend someone on the basis of humanity. > > > >If you're taking Dennis' side, I'll likely never buy anything from you > >either. > > Ohhhhh...Randy let me tell you that losing cetlink's business has had > a profound effect on our business....so you'd better take his advice! I make > or lose more that that in the stock market every 10 minutes. Okay, i've had enough. Obviously Dennis is a misanthrope. (A person who doesn't like people.) Does anyone else feel the need for a testimonial against him? He's saying he doesn't care. His lack of humanity is it's own punishment. Okay, i'll join the boycott of his products. Now, can we stop wasting the bandwidth please? Someone said they would put up a site with all the correspondence. I believe that will be sufficient. When Dennis loses enough money he'll learn to make believe he cares. Fine. I think we're all done now, right? ps If anyone would like to continue the discussion about what language "everyone on the 'net" speaks, i'd be happy to do it... off the list. ... universero trio... trio@tio.net... http://tio.net/~trio Learn and use The International Language Esperanto! http://esperanto.org From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 11:27:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA27808 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:27:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com ([207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27803 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:27:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA29036; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:29:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980103143047.00e1a900@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 14:30:48 -0500 To: trio From: dennis Subject: Re: Please stop wasting bandwidth about ETINC's misanthrope! Cc: John Kelly , "Randy A. Katz" , Ronald Wiplinger , FreeBSD-isp , List linux-isp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:08 AM 1/3/98 -0800, trio wrote: >On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, dennis wrote: > >> >>FREEBSD-ISP List: Please accept my apology for the previous post, it really >> >>has NOTHING to do with this list or FreeBSD...just thought I needed to >> >>defend someone on the basis of humanity. >> > >> >If you're taking Dennis' side, I'll likely never buy anything from you >> >either. >> >> Ohhhhh...Randy let me tell you that losing cetlink's business has had >> a profound effect on our business....so you'd better take his advice! I make >> or lose more that that in the stock market every 10 minutes. > > Okay, i've had enough. Obviously Dennis is a misanthrope. (A person who >doesn't like people.) We've all had enough. Obviously you're a dictionary. ( a book with definitions of words) Whats the word for people who dont like people who feel its necessary to publically post their opinions about other people? Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 11:59:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA29654 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:59:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from syrinx.jeffnet.org (taylor@syrinx.jeffnet.org [204.203.88.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA29648 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:59:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from taylor@syrinx.jeffnet.org) Received: from localhost (taylor@localhost) by syrinx.jeffnet.org (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id MAA31449; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:01:05 GMT Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:01:03 +0000 ( ) From: Mike Taylor To: dennis cc: trio , John Kelly , "Randy A. Katz" , Ronald Wiplinger , FreeBSD-isp , List linux-isp Subject: Re: Please stop wasting bandwidth about ETINC's misanthrope! In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980103143047.00e1a900@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, dennis wrote: > Whats the word for people who dont like people who feel its necessary > to publically post their opinions about other people? > List subscribers. \\|// ^^^^^ )))(( %%%%% ,,,,, (- -) (o o) (- o) (0-0) (* *) +--ooO-(_)-Ooo--oo0-(_)-0oo--ooO-(_)-Ooo--oo0-(_)-0oo--ooO-(_)-Ooo--+ | [un]subscription request to linuxisp-request@friendly.jeffnet.org | | mail to linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org | | List archive available at http://jeffnet.org/linuxisp/ | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 12:26:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA01029 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:26:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01023 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:26:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@online.barbour-index.co.uk) Received: from online.barbour-index.co.uk (host5-99-53-235.btinternet.com [195.99.53.235]) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17468 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:25:49 GMT Message-ID: <34AE9F01.2DFE9218@online.barbour-index.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 20:26:41 +0000 From: Scot Elliott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Enough already! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Look... Im getting pretty fed up of my mailbox being filled with rubish. Discussions about a guy's personality are not the reason I subscribed to this list.. and I doubt many other people did either. Scot. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 16:24:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA14040 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:24:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from smtp2.xs4all.nl (smtp2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA14033 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:24:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from albast@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs2.xs4all.nl (albast@xs2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.43]) by smtp2.xs4all.nl (8.8.6/XS4ALL) with ESMTP id BAA04250 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:24:41 +0100 (CET) Received: (from albast@localhost) by xs2.xs4all.nl (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA12927 for FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:24:40 +0100 (MET) From: albast Message-Id: <199801040024.BAA12927@xs2.xs4all.nl> Subject: your opinions To: FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:24:38 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk To whom it may concern, plz. discontinue the posting of unobjective and senseless garbage on the list about ETINC product support.. it keeps on popping up every once in a while and is getting very very VERY tiresome! BTW a happy new year to everyone! -Jeroen From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 16:43:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA14797 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:43:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from land.willinet.net (land.willinet.net [198.49.30.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA14786 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:43:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tboellst@willinet.net) Received: (qmail 17018 invoked from network); 3 Jan 1998 18:43:29 -0600 Received: from ps05sux.willinet.net (HELO moe.splarg.org) (198.49.30.70) by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 1998 18:43:29 -0600 Message-ID: <002501bd18aa$3ec75640$02010c0a@moe.splarg.org> From: "Tyson Boellstorff" To: "John Kelly" , "Randy A. Katz" , "dennis" Cc: "Ronald Wiplinger" , "FreeBSD-isp" , "List linux-isp" Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers .. ENOUGH!! Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:46:49 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Let me make this perfectly clear. It's obvious that this thread has struck a nerve, and wound up being one of those pissing matches that are hard to stay out of. I have worlked in support for years, and could entertain you for hours with stories of brittle customers, ego trips, and other misanthropical things. >From every indication, if you buy a product from etinc, you will get help setting it up and making sure it works. I personally couldn't ask for more. If you want to discuss the industry in general, Dennis ain't your man, not by choice, but maybe, just maybe, because he prefers to do his job. That, after all, is what he is getting paid to do. I know at the place I used to work, if you wasted your day in coddling egos, you could wind up losing your job. Maybe he is brusque of tone. Who really cares? You will only talk to the guy once if you have a problem. If a company had two technicians, one who is nice but knows nothing, and another who is extremely smart, chaotic evil, but will actually solve your problem (like me), and you had a problem you had to solve immediately, who will _you_ have paged? Nice don't pay the bills, guys, and that is what being an ISP is all about. I've had dozens of people mistake me for their mama, when I had to push that ol' new call button. Forgive a tech if he/she says that they're done. I'm sure they have nice salesmen somewhere for you to talk to when you get lonely. In the meantime, I will continue watching for Dennis' posts, along with other people who have a clue, and get the occasional chuckle out of the sheer audacity of his replies. (I still get a bang out of Theo de Raadt's quote as to which code sucks...) We're in an industry where prima donnas are common. Pay attention to the good ones. -----Original Message----- From: dennis To: John Kelly ; Randy A. Katz Cc: Ronald Wiplinger ; FreeBSD-isp ; List linux-isp Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 12:58 PM Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers >At 01:42 AM 1/3/98 GMT, John Kelly wrote: >>On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:16:22 -0800, "Randy A. Katz" >> wrote: >> >>>FREEBSD-ISP List: Please accept my apology for the previous post, it really >>>has NOTHING to do with this list or FreeBSD...just thought I needed to >>>defend someone on the basis of humanity. >> >>If you're taking Dennis' side, I'll likely never buy anything from you >>either. >> > >Ohhhhh...Randy let me tell you that losing cetlink's business has had >a profound effect on our business....so you'd better take his advice! I make >or lose more that that in the stock market every 10 minutes. > >db > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 18:59:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23297 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:59:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns1.hiper.net (ns1.hiper.net [207.137.172.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23292 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:59:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (pool37.hiper.net [207.137.172.37]) by ns1.hiper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA19099; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:21:10 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980103185948.0401f8b0@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:59:48 -0800 To: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers Cc: "Ronald Wiplinger" , "FreeBSD-isp" , "List linux-isp" , "dennis" In-Reply-To: <34ae964c.26167423@mail.cetlink.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19980102091622.0097b480@ccsales.com> <3.0.5.32.19980102091622.0097b480@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm not selling anything...but truth is truth, this guy DID abuse Dennis, but he abused me first...but then he publicized it. At 01:42 AM 1/3/98 GMT, John Kelly wrote: >On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:16:22 -0800, "Randy A. Katz" > wrote: > >>FREEBSD-ISP List: Please accept my apology for the previous post, it really >>has NOTHING to do with this list or FreeBSD...just thought I needed to >>defend someone on the basis of humanity. > >If you're taking Dennis' side, I'll likely never buy anything from you >either. > >It's not wise to join a fight which is not your own. > >John > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 3 22:53:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA06591 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:53:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.primelink.com (mail.primelink.com [206.24.58.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA06582 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:53:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kbrown@primelink.com) Received: from hack ([206.24.58.11]) by mail.primelink.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11777) with SMTP id AAA149 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:01:21 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980104005000.00698634@mail.primelink.com> X-Sender: darkstar@mail.primelink.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 00:50:02 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Kevin Brown Subject: Temporary Au-gratis dialup... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings... I am looking for someone who would offer me an au-gratis dialup account local to Atlanta from Jan 11-14th. I will be attending meetings those days and would like to use it to simply check email from time to time. If anyone could obligue, please respond directly to me at: kbrown@primelink.com Thanks. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Kevin Brown Networking Engineer Huber & Associates IBM Business Partner http://www.primelink.com/haa/haahome.htm Phone: 573-634-5000 ext 114 Fax: 573-634-5500 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// IBM, Cisco & Ascend Routers, Switches, HUBs, and related hardware. Windows 95/NT, AIX, BSDI, FreeBSD, OS/400. RS6000, AS/400 and basic PC troubleshooting. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ------------------------------------------------------------------ Pursuate to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, Sec. 227, any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US. Emailing denotes acceptance of these terms. ------------------------------------------------------------------