From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 05:49:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA28425 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 05:49:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hq.seicom.net (mail.seicom.net [194.97.200.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA28419 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 05:49:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from udesign!lukas@hq.seicom.net) Received: from udesign.UUCP by hq.seicom.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with UUCP id OAA25986; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:40:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by reactor.design.de id m0xopqE-000BijC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:11:46 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980104141146.32430@reactor> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:11:46 +0100 From: Lukas Wunner To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP References: <3.0.5.32.19980103121611.007af8f0@pop.cantv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C3=2E0=2E5=2E32=2E19980103121611=2E007af8f0=40pop=2Ecan?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?tv=2Enet=3E=3B_from_=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22_on_Sat=2C_Jan?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_03=2C_1998_at_12=3A16=3A11PM_-0400?= Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > During the first year, it'll have to support some 100000 users. > Of course, we've already chosen FreeBSD as the core OS for this > after looking to Digital Unix, Solaris and Windows NT. My suggestion would be to look at an SGI Origin 200/2000 or Sun U2 box instead of a PC box running FreeBSD. We have experienced severe problems with PCs wrt expandability/scalability. E.g., we currently have 256MB of RAM in our news box but would love to go to 512MB, but the motherboard is not capable of doing that although the documentation and the webpages state the contrary (it's a Tyan Tomcat III or IV). If you want to go to something like 1GB or 2GB of RAM, you're stuck with a PC. The only solution seem to be PPro based machines, but the chipsets available so far are really ugly wrt memory and PCI performance in my opinion (as compared to good old Pentium based boards). The only chipset which seems to be able to support lots of RAM and more than 4 PCI cards seems to be the Orion GX, one implementation being the AMI Goliath board (cf. www.ami.com). However, I have not been able so far to get my hands on one of these boards *without* buying a large expensive box from Compaq et al (it seems AMI only sells these boards to OEMs, at least I have not found a distributor here in Germany, if you know of one, please drop me a line). The Goliath board also requires special (read: expensive) DIMMs, you can not use standard PS/2s or SDRAMs. Experience also has shown that usually you have to invest more time into getting a PC based server running as compared to a machine which was designed from scratch to be a high performance/bandwidth server like the SGI Origin 2000, and time is money (I have spent *several* hours trying to get the Tomcat board running with more than 256MB of RAM). Note: this is no FreeBSD-bashing. I'd always prefer a FreeBSD-based machine to an SGI Origin 2000 if it wasn't that difficult to find PC hardware which suits our needs wrt scalability/performance. Any recommendations for high-end PC hardware are welcome. Thanks, Lukas. -- lukas wunner unix, internetworking and security engineer lukas@wunner.de LW26-RIPE http://www.wunner.de/~lukas/ Funkmodems mit 2.4GHz FAQ http://www.wunner.de/~lukas/funk/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 06:56:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA01585 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:56:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA01580 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:56:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA20595; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:55:13 GMT Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:55:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: Lukas Wunner cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <19980104141146.32430@reactor> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Lukas Wunner wrote: > My suggestion would be to look at an SGI Origin 200/2000 or Sun U2 box > instead of a PC box running FreeBSD. We have experienced severe problems > with PCs wrt expandability/scalability. E.g., we currently have 256MB of > RAM in our news box but would love to go to 512MB, but the motherboard > is not capable of doing that although the documentation and the webpages > state the contrary (it's a Tyan Tomcat III or IV). If you want to go to > something like 1GB or 2GB of RAM, you're stuck with a PC. The only I've had problems with lack of PCI slots in motherboards too. But in terms of memory, SuperMicro claim to support 512MB in some boards - their boards seem to have more SIMM slots then most other boards. You can also get hold of boards which have SIMM slots and one DIM slot, which lets you put a big 64MB DIM in along side the rest of the your memory. ftp.cdrom.com claims to have 1G or RAM - so ask them how they managed it ;-) The problem I have with the lack of PCI slots is usually when I want lots of network cards in a machine.. With two SCSI controllers you can only have two other cards. People on this list keep going on about multi-port DEC cards, but I jut can't get hold of them - DEC claim they don't do them - and if they did then they'd apparently only work in a DEC PC. God knows why. So if anyone in the UK has any info on that then I'd much appreciate it ;-) In terms of CPU performance, I guess it depends on what the application of the machine is.. if it's a web server then you could propable run two PCs with a shared load - and get a similar performace to a bigger machine, but with pretty major redundancy. But of course not all tasks can be as easily shared as that. Scot ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)1344 899401 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 07:33:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA03347 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:33:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from nak.myhouse.com (nak.myhouse.com [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA03337 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:33:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zoonie@nak.myhouse.com) Received: (qmail 14628 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Jan 1998 15:35:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:35:24 -0500 (EST) From: zoonie To: Scot Elliott cc: Lukas Wunner , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Scot Elliott wrote: > The problem I have with the lack of PCI slots is usually when I want lots of > network cards in a machine.. With two SCSI controllers you can only have two > other cards. People on this list keep going on about multi-port DEC cards, > but I jut can't get hold of them - DEC claim they don't do them - and if they > did then they'd apparently only work in a DEC PC. God knows why. So if anyone > in the UK has any info on that then I'd much appreciate it ;-) i don't remember a discussion about DEC multi-port ethernet cards. what i remember being discussed was multi-port ethernet cards based on a DEC controller chip. one of the brands was ZNYX and the website is http://www.znyx.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 07:52:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA04180 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:52:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA04168 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:52:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20840; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:52:06 GMT Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:52:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: zoonie cc: Scot Elliott , Lukas Wunner , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, zoonie wrote: > On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Scot Elliott wrote: > > > The problem I have with the lack of PCI slots is usually when I want lots of > > network cards in a machine.. With two SCSI controllers you can only have two > > other cards. People on this list keep going on about multi-port DEC cards, > > but I jut can't get hold of them - DEC claim they don't do them - and if they > > did then they'd apparently only work in a DEC PC. God knows why. So if anyone > > in the UK has any info on that then I'd much appreciate it ;-) > > i don't remember a discussion about DEC multi-port ethernet cards. what i > remember being discussed was multi-port ethernet cards based on a DEC > controller chip. one of the brands was ZNYX and the website is > http://www.znyx.com > > Right... sorry. I got the wrong end 'o the stick there ;-) Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)1344 899401 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 08:10:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA05163 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:10:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from artorius.sunflower.com (artorius.sunflower.com [24.124.0.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA05157 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:10:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@artorius.sunflower.com) Received: from artorius.sunflower.com (artorius.sunflower.com [24.124.0.6]) by artorius.sunflower.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA11525; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:10:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from lists@artorius.sunflower.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:10:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Stephen D. Spencer" Reply-To: "Stephen D. Spencer" To: Lukas Wunner cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <19980104141146.32430@reactor> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Lukas Wunner wrote: > Hi, > > > During the first year, it'll have to support some 100000 users. > > Of course, we've already chosen FreeBSD as the core OS for this > > after looking to Digital Unix, Solaris and Windows NT. > > My suggestion would be to look at an SGI Origin 200/2000 or Sun U2 box > instead of a PC box running FreeBSD. Hrm... > We have experienced severe problems > with PCs wrt expandability/scalability. E.g., we currently have 256MB of > RAM in our news box but would love to go to 512MB, but the motherboard > is not capable of doing that although the documentation and the webpages > state the contrary (it's a Tyan Tomcat III or IV). I will put in an anti-plug for SGI machines as internet servers: for base price + cost of "approved SGI hardware" + price of the C compiler (so one can compile updated ip servers such as INND, BIND, Sendmail, popper, etc...) + time required to vodoo the said software into compiling on Irix 6.x, we could have purchased a seperate PC to receive news for each of the major seven usenet trees. I've had aweful 3rd party vendor support for extra equipment (had a 4 gig external die on our Indy running INND and found out that it costs $400 (non refundable) for Falcon (an approved SGI 3rd party drive vendor) to drop ship a new drive. "Approved" 3rd party (kingston) 32 meg SIMMs cost around $280 a piece) Other problems I've had with the SGI platform: they have two speeds when it comes to correcting internal security holes--slow and stop--anyone remember exactly when the xlock and xdm buffer overflows were first reported? (If you run IRIX, forget about offering shell access to anyone outside your local admin ring) > If you want to go to > something like 1GB or 2GB of RAM, you're stuck with a PC. The only > solution seem to be PPro based machines, but the chipsets available so > far are really ugly wrt memory and PCI performance in my opinion (as > compared to good old Pentium based boards). [interesting information brevitized ;)] > > Experience also has shown that usually you have to invest more time > into getting a PC based server running as compared to a machine which > was designed from scratch to be a high performance/bandwidth server > like the SGI Origin 2000, and time is money (I have spent *several* hours > trying to get the Tomcat board running with more than 256MB of RAM). > Hmmm... when was the last time you had to reload/configure an IRIX system? I would suggest looking into a high-performance server system (Sun or DEC Alpha) running Open or NetBSD if you're concerned with fancy hardware. Otherwise, do lots of research into PC hardware and accept the fact that you will have a few more machines laying about. You might also want to contact someone at Walnut creek to inquire about their hardware. My 2 cts... Regards, Stephen ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Stephen Spencer finger gladiatr@artorius.sunflower.com for - - administrator PGP key. - - Sunflower Datavision http://www.sunflower.com - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 08:12:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA05343 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:12:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA05328 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:12:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id RAA08951; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:00:11 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA03272; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:49:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980104164912.63008@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:49:12 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Lukas Wunner Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP References: <3.0.5.32.19980103121611.007af8f0@pop.cantv.net> <19980104141146.32430@reactor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <19980104141146.32430@reactor>; from Lukas Wunner on Sun, Jan 04, 1998 at 02:11:46PM +0100 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jan 04, 1998 at 02:11:46PM +0100, Lukas Wunner wrote: > Hi, > > > During the first year, it'll have to support some 100000 users. > > Of course, we've already chosen FreeBSD as the core OS for this > > after looking to Digital Unix, Solaris and Windows NT. > > My suggestion would be to look at an SGI Origin 200/2000 or Sun U2 box > instead of a PC box running FreeBSD. We have experienced severe problems > with PCs wrt expandability/scalability. E.g., we currently have 256MB of > RAM in our news box but would love to go to 512MB, but the motherboard > is not capable of doing that although the documentation and the webpages > state the contrary (it's a Tyan Tomcat III or IV). If you want to go to > something like 1GB or 2GB of RAM, you're stuck with a PC. The only > solution seem to be PPro based machines, but the chipsets available so > far are really ugly wrt memory and PCI performance in my opinion (as > compared to good old Pentium based boards). The only chipset which seems > to be able to support lots of RAM and more than 4 PCI cards seems to be > the Orion GX, one implementation being the AMI Goliath board (cf. www.ami.com). The question is, if the PCI bus performance of PPro and PII boards is really so worse as you tell. Look at companies, that drive huge freebsd Servers (cdrom.com, Yahoo, ...). Login on ftp.freebsd.org as anonymous ftp user and watch the login message: 230-Welcome to wcarchive - home ftp site for Walnut Creek CDROM. 230-There are currently 1603 users out of 2750 possible. ... 230-This machine is a P6/233 with 1GB of memory & 142GB of disk online. 230-The operating system is FreeBSD... What counts is reliability, service and to get the "best bang for the buck". I think for an ISP it's crucially important to have fast connectivity and fast routers. So I personally would spend more money in the network infrastructure (buy fast ciscos and invest in good lines), then to spend too much money in high end machines, if FreeBSD Server as a nice rack mounted system perform excellent. I personally don't believe, that buying Suns or SGI's bring you a better server if you compare price/performance... Please read the FreeBSD Newsletter, where one of the Yahoo founders describe, why they choosed FreeBSD as their overall Web Server platform. As a really good example .... > Note: this is no FreeBSD-bashing. I'd always prefer a FreeBSD-based > machine to an SGI Origin 2000 if it wasn't that difficult to find > PC hardware which suits our needs wrt scalability/performance. > Any recommendations for high-end PC hardware are welcome. People are working on a FreeBSD Ultra Sparc port ;-) Maybe this might attract you in the future ... But I'd really recommend, that you get a test system with a PPro 233 MHz, 1 GB RAM, one or more 3940, one or more Seagate Barracudas and create for the news partition a stripe set using ccd ... It should perform nicely ;-) And then compare price and performance and then we speak again about scalability and price ;-)) Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 08:44:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA06583 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:44:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hq.seicom.net (mail.seicom.net [194.97.200.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06566 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:44:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from udesign!lukas@hq.seicom.net) Received: from udesign.UUCP by hq.seicom.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with UUCP id RAA28023; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:35:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by reactor.design.de id m0xotBR-000BijC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:45:53 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980104174553.57475@reactor> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:45:53 +0100 From: Lukas Wunner To: Andreas Klemm Cc: Lukas Wunner , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP References: <3.0.5.32.19980103121611.007af8f0@pop.cantv.net> <19980104141146.32430@reactor> <19980104164912.63008@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980104164912.63008@klemm.gtn.com>; from Andreas Klemm on Sun, Jan 04, 1998 at 04:49:12PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, > The question is, if the PCI bus performance of PPro and PII boards > is really so worse as you tell. In my opinion, if you are going to set up a serious system, you can completely forget about PentiumII based systems as they are still in customer beta-testing if you know what I mean. As for PPro based systems, I suggest you take a look at the PPro board tests in the German c't magazine and compare the PCI and memory performance they measured with the figures they measured with Pentium boards. The bottom line is that Natoma boards are actually slower wrt PCI/memory bandwidth than 430HX (Pentium) boards (forget about TX or VX boards for any serious use as they only allow up to 64MB of RAM and have extremely poor memory performance, especially the VX chipset). Now consider that we'd put say, 512MB of RAM in the PPro based system, so that's twice as much as in our Pentium based news box. If there is more real memory, there is of course also more data to be transferred between the CPU and the memory per second, but as the PPro boards' memory bandwidth is actually smaller than the Pentium boards', the memory interface will become a real bottleneck. As I said, OrionGX boards seem to be a lot better in that respect, but they are also hard to get. At least that is my experience. > 230-This machine is a P6/233 with 1GB of memory & 142GB of disk online. > 230-The operating system is FreeBSD... Any ideas which motherboard they are using and where they got it? > I think for an ISP it's crucially important to have fast connectivity > and fast routers. As an ISP, we have to offer both, IP connectivity, and the whole palette of internet services to our customers. That includes a decent news server, proxy etc pp. > then to spend too much > money in high end machines, if FreeBSD Server as a nice rack mounted > system perform excellent. Yes, we currently have quite a few of those, but with PCs, we are constantly crashing against the ceiling wrt expandability. > I personally don't believe, that buying Suns or SGI's bring you a > better server if you compare price/performance... The question is probably not price/performance, but rather if and where PC hardware is available which supports the same amount of real memory that I can put into e.g. an Origin 200 (and that has a decent memory interface). At the moment, it is a pain-you-know-where to find PC hardware which supports more than 128MB *reliably* (usually it only works with certain SIMMs and the "try and see if it runs stable" method) and which offer the same cpu<->memory bandwidth that you get with e.g. an Origin 200 (again, any recommendations for decent motherboards and a German outlet are welcome :-) ). > People are working on a FreeBSD Ultra Sparc port ;-) > Maybe this might attract you in the future ... Definitely. > But I'd really recommend, that you get a test system with a > PPro 233 MHz, 1 GB RAM, one or more 3940, one or more > Seagate Barracudas and create for the news partition a > stripe set using ccd ... It should perform nicely ;-) So which motherboard supports 1GB reliably? As for the 3940's, I'd probably prefer to put a DPT into the machine and have the controller do the striping. I don't like Adaptec anyway, but that's a different story. :-) Thanks, Lukas Wunner / seicom.NET -- lukas wunner unix, internetworking and security engineer lukas@wunner.de LW26-RIPE http://www.wunner.de/~lukas/ Funkmodems mit 2.4GHz FAQ http://www.wunner.de/~lukas/funk/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 09:21:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08286 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 09:21:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08272 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 09:21:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (root@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id MAA25400 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA18288 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:23:22 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199801041723.MAA18288@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: from "Stephen D. Spencer" at "Jan 4, 98 10:10:09 am" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:23:22 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Recently Stephen D. Spencer said: > On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Lukas Wunner wrote: > I will put in an anti-plug for SGI machines as internet servers: for base > price + cost of "approved SGI hardware" + price of the C compiler (so one > can compile updated ip servers such as INND, BIND, Sendmail, popper, > etc...) + time required to vodoo the said software into compiling on Irix > 6.x, we could have purchased a seperate PC to receive news for each of the > major seven usenet trees. It all depends on what you want to do. SGI is damned expensive, but a company I work for just bought two SGI Challenge's at bargains basement prices. No way would we have paid list for them. These people at one time were an SGI dealer, and even at dealer prices the pieces are expensive. > I've had aweful 3rd party vendor support for > extra equipment (had a 4 gig external die on our Indy running INND and > found out that it costs $400 (non refundable) for Falcon (an approved SGI > 3rd party drive vendor) to drop ship a new drive. "Approved" 3rd party > (kingston) 32 meg SIMMs cost around $280 a piece) If you are out of warrany or buy used, then you don't have to put any approved hardware on the system. > Hmmm... when was the last time you had to reload/configure an IRIX system? Once about 3 months ago when the boot drive died. Again 3 weeks ago on the (above) used system. It took me quite awhile to find the magic incantation to run FX from the CD, depending on HW platform. The last time was because 2 of the 3 HDs we bought in the used system were dead. (Price was so good that was not a problem). > I would suggest looking into a high-performance server system (Sun or DEC > Alpha) running Open or NetBSD if you're concerned with fancy hardware. > Otherwise, do lots of research into PC hardware and accept the fact that > you will have a few more machines laying about. You might also want to > contact someone at Walnut creek to inquire about their hardware. We're only going to be running catalog on the SGI's and run the normal web serving from the FreeBSD. -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 09:22:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08354 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 09:22:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08348 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 09:22:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrs@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (jrs@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id LAA29390; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:22:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jrs@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA02393; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:22:43 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:22:43 -0600 (CST) From: JB Reply-To: JB To: "Stephen D. Spencer" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I read your comments to the gentlemen trying to design a very large isp and i thought if possible you could answer a question for me. I am currently in the process of setting up a *small* isp. I'll really just be a domain name, webhosting, secondary email account company. I will offer very few pops (at first) and really want to cater to commercial web hosting and secondary isp usage. I have 6 servers (*all 200mhz, 128ram, cdrom*for freebsd installs*, generic nic and graphics card). My setup will look something like this: ****backbone***** *NTSERVER* *CLUSTER* *dns&nfs* *web-serv* *SMTP/POP3* *fpt-serv* *news* 2nd DNS I'm in the final stages and i want to ask a couple questions. 1. I want to use nfs so i can mount all the user directories accross my mail, web and ftp server--should i use a one large or multiple scsi hard drive on the nfs machine so i could mount that one user directory accross all machines so it will be common or am i going or think in the wrong direction. 2. Has anyone had any experience with tools that allow unix nt intergration that actually works. 3. can you control the amount of bandwith machines eat up or the rate of connection it gives?? i have only two t1's and the news machine can eat one t1 by itself. I've heard of smart switches and things of that nature can you give me any advice on that. 4, I've had conversations with people who say i should use different unix flavors on special machines like my mail, and uucp box is this true. 5. any insight on terminal servers 6. any other insight you could give me would be helpful. Thank YOU for your help john jrs@mcs.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 09:55:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA11117 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 09:55:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA11104 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 09:55:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts1-cltnc-19.cetlink.net [209.54.58.19]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29589; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:55:12 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: "Tyson Boellstorff" Cc: , Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers .. ENOUGH!! Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 18:55:58 GMT Message-ID: <34afd855.2885429@mail.cetlink.net> References: <002501bd18aa$3ec75640$02010c0a@moe.splarg.org> In-Reply-To: <002501bd18aa$3ec75640$02010c0a@moe.splarg.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA11105 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:46:49 -0600, "Tyson Boellstorff" wrote: >Nice don't pay the bills, guys, and that is what being an ISP is all about. >I've had dozens of people mistake me for their mama, when I had to push that >ol' new call button. Though foolish arrogance may seem acceptable to you, it will be punished nevertheless. What goes around comes around. >We're in an industry where prima donnas are common. Pay attention to the >good ones. Why? There's always someone else who can perform just as well or better without a bad attitude. If I'm a customer, I can change suppliers, and if I'm an employer I can fire and hire. John From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 10:38:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA13930 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:38:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user785@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA13924 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:38:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 4 Jan 1998 18:45:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:45:02 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: "Stephen D. Spencer" cc: Lukas Wunner , lem , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > My suggestion would be to look at an SGI Origin 200/2000 or Sun U2 box > > instead of a PC box running FreeBSD. > > Hrm... > > I will put in an anti-plug for SGI machines as internet servers: for base > price + cost of "approved SGI hardware" + price of the C compiler (so one > can compile updated ip servers such as INND, BIND, Sendmail, popper, > etc...) + time required to vodoo the said software into compiling on Irix > 6.x, we could have purchased a seperate PC to receive news for each of the > major seven usenet trees. I've had aweful 3rd party vendor support for > extra equipment (had a 4 gig external die on our Indy running INND and > found out that it costs $400 (non refundable) for Falcon (an approved SGI > 3rd party drive vendor) to drop ship a new drive. "Approved" 3rd party > (kingston) 32 meg SIMMs cost around $280 a piece) I have had similar luck with Sun. I am still sticking to my guns with the PCs. I also agree that you will have more physical boxes lying around, but it will be much easier to support them inexpensively. Steer clear of proprietarty systems unless you have some real money to burn. If you put multiple net cards in each machine and include static routes between your most used hosts, you can keep your net load manageable. If you use DNS pools, you can have www.yourdomain.com actually be spread out over 8 or so machines. Same with shell accounts. Have each user's local space NFS exported (over several NFS servers if needed), and mount them on a pool of shell boxes. The tricky thing will be user validation / management. I think you'd need to tie together NIS+ and Radius. Should not be a problem, but I haven't ever had to. The things I would not recommend using a PC for are as a Router (and/or CSU/DSU), or as a terminal server. Get a nice Cisco router and use Livingston terminal servers. For large scales, PC serial-based boards will give you headaches. Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 10:57:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA15154 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:57:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA15148 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:57:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbws.etinc.com ([207.252.1.62]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA07803; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:00:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980102135747.006ff558@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:57:50 -0500 To: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) From: Dennis Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers .. ENOUGH!! Cc: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 06:55 PM 1/4/98 GMT, you wrote: >On Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:46:49 -0600, "Tyson Boellstorff" > wrote: > >>Nice don't pay the bills, guys, and that is what being an ISP is all about. >>I've had dozens of people mistake me for their mama, when I had to push that >>ol' new call button. > >Though foolish arrogance may seem acceptable to you, it will be >punished nevertheless. What goes around comes around. Perhaps, but the "punishers" are usually little nobodies that are insignficant and not likely to become significant. I've never had a Telco or Fortune 500 company refuse to buy something because they didn't like me. If you think that you are punishing ET by having to spend $25,000 on an 8-port Cisco 4500 because you dont want to buy $3200. worth of boards from an ogre like me then you have more principles (or money) than brains. > >>We're in an industry where prima donnas are common. Pay attention to the >>good ones. .> >Why? There's always someone else who can perform just as well or >better without a bad attitude. If I'm a customer, I can change >suppliers, and if I'm an employer I can fire and hire. There are more customers than suppliers. Its much more likely that you will be damaged by burning your bridges with a supplier than the other way around. Your concept that all products are equal and that firing an outstanding employee because he has an attitude is a good idea implies that the the color of the sky in your world is different than mine. If a bad employee shows up late he's fired; if a good one shows up late I call him in my office and tell him that I'd appreciate it if he would show up on time. I dont like Bill Gates but I'm not willing to struggle with X-Win to prove my point. Bill will not be damaged if I dont buy a few copies of Windows. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 11:39:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA17751 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:39:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org (host77-28.airnet.net [209.64.77.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA17742 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:39:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org) Received: from ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00832; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:38:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34AFE54B.E9004F21@ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 13:38:51 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Reply-To: kris@airnet.net Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Klemm CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP References: <3.0.5.32.19980103121611.007af8f0@pop.cantv.net> <19980104141146.32430@reactor> <19980104164912.63008@klemm.gtn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andreas Klemm wrote: > > 230-This machine is a P6/233 with 1GB of memory & 142GB of disk online. > 230-The operating system is FreeBSD... > But I'd really recommend, that you get a test system with a > PPro 233 MHz, 1 GB RAM, one or more 3940, one or more > Seagate Barracudas and create for the news partition a > stripe set using ccd ... It should perform nicely ;-) I think it is important to point out that this (the wuarchive) is a 200 PPro overclocked. I dug up some info and found (Quote): Its configuration is as follows: SuperMicro P6DNF multiprocessor motherboard The motherboard has on it: Natoma chipset 5 PCI slots 4 ISA slots Two CPU sockets 8 SIMM slots 2 serial ports 1 parallel port 2 IDE interfaces One 200MHz P6 CPU ("Pentium Pro") w/512K L2 cache 1GB of main memory (8 * 128MB 60ns EDO SIMMs) 1 Adaptec AHA-3940 PCI dual-channel narrow FastSCSI controller 1 Adaptec AHA-3940UW PCI dual-channel wide UltraSCSI controller 1 Intel Pro/100B PCI 100Mbps Fast Ethernet controller 1 StorQuest ISA SVGA adapter 14 4.3GB fast-narrow SCSI drives (Quantum, Seagate) 9 9.1GB ultra-wide SCSI drives (Micropolis, Quantum) Rack mounted color SVGA monitor Personally, I'd love to have just one of the pieces of the remarkable machine. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- A Person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it. -- Kay, in MiB, copyright Sony Pictures Imageworks From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 12:12:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA20790 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:12:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA20785 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:12:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts1-cltnc-35.cetlink.net [209.54.58.35]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09501; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:12:03 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: , Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers .. ENOUGH!! Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:12:52 GMT Message-ID: <34b0f911.11260613@mail.cetlink.net> References: <3.0.32.19980102135747.006ff558@etinc.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980102135747.006ff558@etinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA20786 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:57:50 -0500, Dennis wrote: >>Why? There's always someone else who can perform just as well or >>better without a bad attitude. If I'm a customer, I can change >>suppliers, and if I'm an employer I can fire and hire. > >There are more customers than suppliers. And those customers will drop a supplier like a horse drops manure just as soon as the first reasonable alternative comes along. >Its much more likely that you will be damaged by burning your >bridges with a supplier than the other way around. What arrogance. On the contrary, it's much more likely that new suppliers will appear on the market to displace the bad ones. That's called competition. John From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 12:25:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA21672 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:25:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from subcellar.mwci.net (subcellar.mwci.net [205.254.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA21658 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:24:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbutt@subcellar.mwci.net) Received: from jdb.mwci.net (jdb.mwci.net [205.254.160.17]) by subcellar.mwci.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22797 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:25:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801042025.OAA22797@subcellar.mwci.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James D. Butt" Organization: MWCI.Net To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:16:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP Reply-to: jbutt@mwci.net Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > out over 8 or so machines. Same with shell accounts. Have each user's > local space NFS exported (over several NFS servers if needed), and mount > them on a pool of shell boxes. How stable is the NFS in FreeBSD.. I know that BSDI 2.0 had some real NFS problems (escapes me now as to what they were). Is the NFS in FreeBSD just as stable as the SUN's ect.. We have just made a huge move to freeBSD but I have not had time to beat NFS.. I would expect it to be good because I know that one of the Big RAID NFS boxes that is out there is freeBSD based.. ----------------------------------------------------------- James 'J.D.' Butt Voice 319.557.8463 Network Engineer pager 319.557.6347 MidWest Communications, Inc. fax 319.557.9771 241 Main St. noc@mwci.net Dubuque, IA 52001 jbutt@mwci.net ----------------------------------------------------------- "I used up all my sick days... so I'm calling in dead" "Lets fight against continental drift!" From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 12:34:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA22495 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22488 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:34:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts1-cltnc-35.cetlink.net [209.54.58.35]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA10998; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: Atipa Cc: "Stephen D. Spencer" , Lukas Wunner , lem , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:34:46 GMT Message-ID: <34b1fe28.12562940@mail.cetlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA22489 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:45:02 -0700 (MST), Atipa wrote: >The things I would not recommend using a PC for are as a Router (and/or >CSU/DSU), or as a terminal server. Get a nice Cisco router and use >Livingston terminal servers. For large scales, PC serial-based boards >will give you headaches. I'm doing some simple testing to see if FreeBSD is feasible as a terminal server. My first test of 2.2.5-stable, using only two ports simultaneously, indicates there is considerable efficiency loss due to transmit underruns. Next I'm going back to 2.2.2-release which reputedly performed better, and I'll try the same test on a different box to rule out hardware contributing to the problem. John From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 12:39:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA23064 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23051 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:39:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01086; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:39:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199801042039.PAA01086@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <19980104174553.57475@reactor> from Lukas Wunner at "Jan 4, 98 05:45:53 pm" To: lukas@design.de (Lukas Wunner) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:39:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: andreas@klemm.gtn.com, lukas@design.de, lem@cantv.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Lukas Wunner said: > performance, especially the VX chipset). Now consider that we'd put > say, 512MB of RAM in the PPro based system, so that's twice as much as > in our Pentium based news box. If there is more real memory, there is > of course also more data to be transferred between the CPU and the memory > per second, but as the PPro boards' memory bandwidth is actually smaller > than the Pentium boards', the memory interface will become a real > bottleneck. As I said, OrionGX boards seem to be a lot better in that > respect, but they are also hard to get. At least that is my experience. > I have done some analysis on PPro memory usage, and one thing that is fairly impressive is that the processor is very well decoupled from memory by the L1/L2 cache. I think that you'd find that a PPro bus is quite a bit less occupied than a typical P5 MB (due to a dual bus, cache/memory) approach. A normal dual P5 will pretty much fully occupy it's memory bus, while a dual P6 will often not. The decoupling appears to be applicable to the PII also, due to it's dual bus architecture, even though the L2 cache is slower than on a P6. That isn't to disagree with you about the lower Natoma memory bandwidth, however, the PPro doesn't need quite as much of it, while leaving more for peripherals. Note that writes happen a lot less often on a PPro/PII, due to the writeback caching, while the write performance of Natoma is where it is most deficient. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 12:53:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA24192 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:53:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA24182 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:53:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00816 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:51:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:51:24 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: radiusd stuff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if it is possible to configure radius in a way that if someone puts in a wrong password/username, that it will check a secondary radius server? Also, has anyone compiled Radius 2.0.1 on FreeBSD??? If anyone has a Makefile that will compile it I would appreciate it.... thanks From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 13:03:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA25083 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:03:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@sdn-ts-005coauroP05.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA25066 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:03:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bminazzi@w3page.com) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08984 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:06:13 -0700 Message-ID: <34AFF9C5.78FCBFCF@w3page.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:06:13 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ISP@FreeBSD.org Subject: ENOUGH!! ( in other words, shut up. ) References: <3.0.32.19980102135747.006ff558@etinc.com> <34b0f911.11260613@mail.cetlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think I speak for many on this list when I say: TAKE YOUR PERSONAL ARGUMENTS TO PRIVATE MAIL AND LEAVE IT OFF THE LIST! This has strayed FAR away from anything to do with FreeBSD. Thank you. ( Apologies for even more bandwidth pissed away. ) From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 13:07:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA25444 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:07:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au (root@flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.AU [129.78.97.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA25422 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:07:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from srn@flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.AU) Received: from flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au (srn@flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.97.129]) by flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA27027; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:55:03 +1100 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:55:03 +1100 (EST) From: Stephen Robert Norris Reply-To: Stephen Robert Norris Subject: Re: Please stop wasting bandwidth about ETINC's misanthrope! To: dennis cc: trio , John Kelly , "Randy A. Katz" , Ronald Wiplinger , FreeBSD-isp , List linux-isp In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980103143047.00e1a900@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We've all had enough. > > Obviously you're a dictionary. ( a book with definitions of words) > > Whats the word for people who dont like people who feel its necessary > to publically post their opinions about other people? > > Dennis Annoying gits? No, wait that's two words. Hmm. Bozos? I particularly liked the collection of non-English words in the rant about how good people's English is. I especially liked the revelation that idiot is slang :) Stephen From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 13:16:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA26145 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:16:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user2207@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA26140 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:16:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 4 Jan 1998 21:23:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:23:20 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: John Kelly cc: "Stephen D. Spencer" , Lukas Wunner , lem , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <34b1fe28.12562940@mail.cetlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What getty are you using? Kevin > On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:45:02 -0700 (MST), Atipa > wrote: > > >The things I would not recommend using a PC for are as a Router (and/or > >CSU/DSU), or as a terminal server. Get a nice Cisco router and use > >Livingston terminal servers. For large scales, PC serial-based boards > >will give you headaches. > > I'm doing some simple testing to see if FreeBSD is feasible as a > terminal server. My first test of 2.2.5-stable, using only two ports > simultaneously, indicates there is considerable efficiency loss due > to transmit underruns. Next I'm going back to 2.2.2-release which > reputedly performed better, and I'll try the same test on a different > box to rule out hardware contributing to the problem. > > John > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 13:28:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA26929 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:28:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26914 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:28:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts1-cltnc-35.cetlink.net [209.54.58.35]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14228; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:26:20 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: Atipa Cc: "Stephen D. Spencer" , Lukas Wunner , lem , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 22:27:10 GMT Message-ID: <34b30bdb.16044965@mail.cetlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id NAA26919 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:23:20 -0700 (MST), Atipa wrote: >> I'm doing some simple testing to see if FreeBSD is feasible as a >> terminal server. My first test of 2.2.5-stable, using only two ports >> simultaneously, indicates there is considerable efficiency loss due >> to transmit underruns. Next I'm going back to 2.2.2-release which >> reputedly performed better, and I'll try the same test on a different >> box to rule out hardware contributing to the problem. >What getty are you using? None whatsoever. This is a PPPD-only terminal server. My ttys entries look like this: ttyd3 "/usr/sbin/pppd +pap -detach 57600" unknown on secure John From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 13:45:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA28241 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:45:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user2725@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA28227 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:44:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 4 Jan 1998 21:51:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:51:32 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: John Kelly cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <34b30bdb.16044965@mail.cetlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, John Kelly wrote: > On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:23:20 -0700 (MST), Atipa > wrote: > > >> I'm doing some simple testing to see if FreeBSD is feasible as a > >> terminal server. My first test of 2.2.5-stable, using only two ports > >> simultaneously, indicates there is considerable efficiency loss due > >> to transmit underruns. Next I'm going back to 2.2.2-release which > >> reputedly performed better, and I'll try the same test on a different > >> box to rule out hardware contributing to the problem. > > >What getty are you using? > > None whatsoever. This is a PPPD-only terminal server. My ttys > entries look like this: > > ttyd3 "/usr/sbin/pppd +pap -detach 57600" unknown on secure I use both pppd and userland PPP (ijppp), and I have gotten a bit more consistent results with ijppp. I have gotten very good results with ijppp running at 115200, like 35k / sec on web access logs (very highly compressible) using normal rockwell 33.6 modems (on 3 ports, local COM2-4). ijppp does quite well in conjunction with mgetty, since the newer mgetty autosenses PAP/CHAP, etc., and is very configurable. The portion I would be more worried about would be the multiport serial cards. I know Cyclades has some pretty cool PCI multiport boards, but it adds a whole diferent dimension of possible headaches. Anyone used these (or similar) multiport boards? Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 13:50:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA28760 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:50:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from zen.triax.com (mfred@zen.triax.com [206.58.96.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA28708 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:49:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mfred@zen.triax.com) Received: from localhost (mfred@localhost) by zen.triax.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16154 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:50:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:50:07 -0800 (PST) From: MegaFred To: freebsd mailing list Subject: ISP Conversion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello fellow FreeBSD users! I'm with a growing ISP who's about to do a mass OS conversion from NT to FreebSD. We've got most of the fine details down, except just a couple things I thought I might run by pros like yourselves: 1) NIS, NIS+, et al. I've been pulling my hair trying to set up NIS. I'm aware of the security issues involved with this, so I was wondering if anyone could tell me specifically why I should use NIS+, or not use NIS at all, if I'm going to be using it just for our local machines, one of which offers shell access (which wont be a master nor a slave). Also, does anyone know of a good place to read an FAQ on setting this up? I'm aware of the ORA book "NIS and NFS", but since I'm just expirimenting now I'd like to save that $30 for other books. I do believe I've got the concept of NIS down, basically it acts like the NT LanManager domain principle. There a Primary Domain Controller (or Master NIS server) that has all the accounts on it, the Backup Domain Controllers (or Slave NIS servers) replicate this information on a 10-minute interval, and all the domain members (or ypbind clients) connect to the master server for password authentication, username/shell/GECOS changes, etc. Can anyone tell me if I'm missing a crucial point? Anything you can add may help the man pages and the (lack of) documentation in non-NIS ORA books make more sense. 2) As I said, we're running an NT domain now and looking to convert to FreeBSD. Does anyone know of any way to convert the NT accounts over to FreeBSD? Money's no object, since the alternative is to hire temps for a week to do data entry. 3) Services. Right now we're running a mail server in NT (Post.Office, www.software.com), and looking to run that same software on BSDi. Has anyone ever run Post.Office in bsdi? Is it as bad as it is in NT? Would I be better off using qpopper/sendmail? What kind of resources would this alternative take for 500 or so concurrent pop3 connections? 100 concurrent smtp? (x86). Is there a good e-mail paging solution I could use in conjunction with either? Would FreeBSD be okay for these, or am I better off with BSDi? I would appreciate hearing any success/failure stories from people running Post.Office under BSDi, and anyone running qpopper/sendmail under freebsd with around the same load. 4) NFS. I'm looking to have an NFS machine which will house pretty much everything. All our customers web pages will be stored here, all the news, all the mail, etc. The actual service machines (mail server, web server, etc.) will just mount their respective directories on this server to deliver the requested data. Is this viable? The NFS server is going to be a custom-built, dual Ppro with 200mb ram (probably DIMM's), 8 4-gig drives using an Adaptec 2940UW, combining all drives into a single partition via ccp, will be running BSDi, all on a 100mbps LAN. Will this be a good enough solution for that much data? Will this give us room enough for expansion? If ANONE sees a problem with this, please let me know (I'm begging!), because if this baby can't cut it, it could mean my hide. :) 5) Lastly, I'm looking into building my own router for pop sites. I'm thinking of using a 486DX with 8 megs ram, internal T1 CSU card, and FreeBSD as its core components. This router will be handling probably nothing more then 48 33.6 lines over a Frame Relay connection to our main backbone. Will a computer be a reliable enough solution for routing IP? Thanks in advance to whoever takes the time to reply. Joe Read TRIAX Internet Services mfred@zen.triax.com, joer@triax.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 13:50:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA28804 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA28793 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:50:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22636; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:50:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:50:19 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: jbutt@mwci.net cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <199801042025.OAA22797@subcellar.mwci.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > How stable is the NFS in FreeBSD.. I know that BSDI 2.0 had some real > NFS problems (escapes me now as to what they were). Is the NFS in > FreeBSD just as stable as the SUN's ect.. We've not yet used it widely, as we still see problems with lockups or panics. I'm upgrading about 10 machines tomorrow to stable from a few days ago to see if the old problems are still there. We're currently running stable from a month or so ago and see behaviour like this: Start an nfs mount, either v3 or v2, UDP or TCP Leave client mounted Get rid of server by either killing mountd, pulling net access, or shutting down the machine Execute either mount or df on Client At this point we see different behaviour. The client sometimes panics (haven't been at the console to see why), or the command hangs and is un-killable. The only way to get rid of the phantom mount seems to be a reboot of the client.... Seems to work well except for this behaviour, but I wouldn't want to put it in production. After the upgrade tomorrow, I'll repeat while at the console to see what happens. FWIW, I haven't seen this on 2.1.7. It takes some work to get the mount back, but usually doesn't require a boot of the client to clear the "stale" mount... Charles > ----------------------------------------------------------- > James 'J.D.' Butt Voice 319.557.8463 > Network Engineer pager 319.557.6347 > MidWest Communications, Inc. fax 319.557.9771 > 241 Main St. noc@mwci.net > Dubuque, IA 52001 jbutt@mwci.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- > "I used up all my sick days... so I'm calling in dead" > "Lets fight against continental drift!" > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 14:25:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA01927 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:25:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns1.castlenet.com (ns1.castlenet.com [209.63.23.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA01922 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:25:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from efinley@castlenet.com) Received: from ip48.castlenet.com (ip48.castlenet.com [209.63.23.48]) by ns1.castlenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02751 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:31:42 GMT From: efinley@castlenet.com (Elliot Finley) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Rocket Port cards Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 22:28:38 GMT Organization: Hiawatha Coal Company Reply-To: efinley@castlenet.com Message-ID: <34b10cbb.6317810@castlenet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA01923 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Has anyone here had any experience using the 32 port PCI rocket port cards? If so, could you share your experience, good or bad? thanx in advance -- All views, opinions, or random rantings are mine, and mine alone. They are not to be taken seriously under any circumstances! Elliot Finley (efinley@castlenet.com) President Hiawatha Coal Company From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 14:34:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02564 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:34:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ts.shopnet.com (ts.shopnet.com [208.131.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA02558 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:34:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deichert@ts.shopnet.com) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id PAA24607; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:35:41 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:35:40 -0700 (MST) From: Diana X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: John Kelly cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <34b30bdb.16044965@mail.cetlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, John Kelly wrote: > >> I'm doing some simple testing to see if FreeBSD is feasible as a > >> terminal server. My first test of 2.2.5-stable, using only two ports > >> simultaneously, indicates there is considerable efficiency loss due > >> to transmit underruns. Next I'm going back to 2.2.2-release which > >> reputedly performed better, and I'll try the same test on a different > >> box to rule out hardware contributing to the problem. Are you using the standard ISA serial ports for your test? There are several multiport cards out there that have onboard processors. Also there are some "enhanced" 16550 based cards that someone has written a patch to the sio driver to enable up 460kbps. A terminal server will need more than 2 ports that are standard on PC motherboards. I've been running several boxes with the Cyclades cards for over a year and am just bring up a new terminal server using the Cyclades 16z card which is "supposed" to support up to 920kbps. diana Diana Eichert IT Manager McKinley Paper Company deeiche@mckinleypaper.com Tele: 505/290-0153 PGP public key finger: deichert@ts.shopnet.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 15:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05722 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:22:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from galatea.neptune.on.ca (root@mail.neptune.on.ca [205.233.176.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA05709 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:22:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@neptune.on.ca) Received: from triton.neptune.on.ca (triton.neptune.on.ca [205.233.176.2]) by galatea.neptune.on.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28835; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:25:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:18:29 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Mickeler To: Dennis cc: John Kelly , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org Subject: Re: The tone of ETINC to his customers .. ENOUGH!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980102135747.006ff558@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Enough of this thread in this group, its not appropriate nor welcome. Please private email those you wish to address, rather than spam a list. I am sure you all get well more than enought email in your box to want to deal with this stupidity on top of it all. Thanks. PS. Don't reply to this email !! .-------------------------------------------------------------------. | Steve Mickeler -- Steve@Neptune.On.Ca | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Neptune Internet Services - Voice: 905-895-0898 Fax: 905-895-1759 | `-------------------------------------------------------------------' From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 16:04:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA08722 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:04:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08715 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:04:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from unknown (ts1-cltnc-29.cetlink.net [209.54.58.29]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25643; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:04:14 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: Atipa Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PPPD terminal server on FreeBSD, NATD Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 01:04:56 GMT Message-ID: <34b02cb1.200036@mail.cetlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id QAA08717 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:51:32 -0700 (MST), Atipa wrote: >> >> I'm doing some simple testing to see if FreeBSD is feasible as a >> >> terminal server. My first test of 2.2.5-stable, using only two ports >> >> simultaneously, indicates there is considerable efficiency loss due >> >> to transmit underruns. >> >What getty are you using? >> >> None whatsoever. This is a PPPD-only terminal server. My ttys >> entries look like this: >> >> ttyd3 "/usr/sbin/pppd +pap -detach 57600" unknown on secure > >I use both pppd and userland PPP (ijppp), and I have gotten a bit more >consistent results with ijppp. I ran a another test with 2.2.2-release, a different machine, and a different multiport serial card. Although I got the same result, I learned something new. The first port is connected to the Internet, ISDN 128k with 230k DTE speed, and the second port is null modem to another local machine at 56k. While downloading from the Internet to the test machine, and simultaneously downloading from the test machine to another local machine, I can saturate both serial ports at full speed, with no apparent efficiency loss. The ISDN port runs about 13kb/s, and the null modem port runs about 5.4kb/s. But when I try to download *through* the test box, the null modem port drops to about 4.0kb/s. Since I don't have static IP addresses for this test setup, I'm using NATD to get connectivity to the outside world, via the test box. So NATD seems to be causing the efficiency loss. Without NATD in the mix, a FreeBSD terminal server might scale to 24 or 32 ports, since it scaled to 2 ports with no apparent loss. But more testing is needed to know for sure. John From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 16:08:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA09071 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:08:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA09055 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:08:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from unknown (ts1-cltnc-29.cetlink.net [209.54.58.29]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25935; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:08:02 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: Diana Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 01:08:51 GMT Message-ID: <34b13225.1596230@mail.cetlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id QAA09058 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:35:40 -0700 (MST), Diana wrote: >On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, John Kelly wrote: > >> >> I'm doing some simple testing to see if FreeBSD is feasible as a >> >> terminal server. My first test of 2.2.5-stable, using only two ports >> >> simultaneously, indicates there is considerable efficiency loss due >> >> to transmit underruns. Next I'm going back to 2.2.2-release which >> >> reputedly performed better, and I'll try the same test on a different >> >> box to rule out hardware contributing to the problem. > >Are you using the standard ISA serial ports for your test? An 8-port multiport serial card from Byterunner. But after further testing, the problem appears to be related to NATD, not SIO. I just posted another message with more detail. John From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 18:17:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA19280 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:17:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from float.eli.net (float.eli.net [208.131.4.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA19274 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:16:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blkirk@float.eli.net) Received: from localhost (blkirk@localhost) by float.eli.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13392; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:17:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:17:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Ben Kirkpatrick, ELI" To: Shawn Ramsey cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: radiusd stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Merit's radiusd has some support for handing off authentication failures to secondary server. Look around ftp.merit.edu... been a long time since I played with their stuff though. --Ben Kirkpatrick On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > Does anyone know if it is possible to configure radius in a way that if > someone puts in a wrong password/username, that it will check a secondary > radius server? > > Also, has anyone compiled Radius 2.0.1 on FreeBSD??? If anyone has a > Makefile that will compile it I would appreciate it.... > > > thanks > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 19:14:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA23313 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:14:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from True.Net (true.net [200.11.130.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23305 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:14:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lem@cantv.net) Received: from fwa-1.true.net (fwa-2.true.net [200.11.130.1]) by True.Net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA19951; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:13:58 -0400 (AST) Received: (daemon@localhost) by fwa-1.true.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) id XAA04359; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:13:57 -0400 (VET) Received: from unknown(161.196.105.69) by fwa-1.true.net via smap (V1.3) id smae04324; Sun Jan 4 23:13:27 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980104225625.007bb280@pop.cantv.net> X-Sender: lem@pop.cantv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 22:56:25 -0400 To: spork From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP Cc: jbutt@mwci.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199801042025.OAA22797@subcellar.mwci.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:50 PM 04/01/1998 -0500, spork wrote: [snip] >At this point we see different behaviour. The client sometimes panics >(haven't been at the console to see why), or the command hangs and is >un-killable. The only way to get rid of the phantom mount seems to be a >reboot of the client.... A panic is definitely not correct, however a command waiting forever is normal. These are the semantics of a 'hard' mount on NFS. If you want the processes to timeout, you need a 'soft' mount. This should only be done if you really know for sure that you want that. Picture a mail server trying to deliver mail to a failed NFS mailbox. The actual timeout might be in the close() call. If this fails, probably will go undetected and the mail will be lost in the bit bucket. This is why the default mount stile is 'hard'. You also cannot unmount a FS while there are operations queued for the NFS server. You need the server to be back up before you can unmount. If this doesn't happen, then we have another abnormal situation... As a rule of thumb, I assume that the clients will be down of the NFS server dies for some reason. Sometimes you may think that the client may continue with other tasks unrelated to the unresponsive filesystems, but eventually there are going to be enough blocked processes so as to stop the client. We've only sporadically used NFS mounts to export CDs and other stuff in our lab from FreeBSD 2.2.5 servers, with excellent behavior. >Seems to work well except for this behaviour, but I wouldn't want to put >it in production. Nor do I. I tend to dislike NFS on an ISP core :) [snip] -lem From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 19:14:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA23328 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:14:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from True.Net (true.net [200.11.130.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23322 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:14:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lem@cantv.net) Received: from fwa-1.true.net (fwa-2.true.net [200.11.130.1]) by True.Net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA19939; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:13:55 -0400 (AST) Received: (daemon@localhost) by fwa-1.true.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) id XAA04343; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:13:54 -0400 (VET) Received: from unknown(161.196.105.69) by fwa-1.true.net via smap (V1.3) id smac04324; Sun Jan 4 23:13:19 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980104222917.007b9810@pop.cantv.net> X-Sender: lem@pop.cantv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 22:29:17 -0400 To: MegaFred From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= Subject: Re: ISP Conversion Cc: freebsd mailing list In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:50 PM 04/01/1998 -0800, MegaFred wrote: [snip] >3) Services. Right now we're running a mail server in NT (Post.Office, >www.software.com), and looking to run that same software on BSDi. Has >anyone ever run Post.Office in bsdi? Is it as bad as it is in NT? Would >I be better off using qpopper/sendmail? What kind of resources would this >alternative take for 500 or so concurrent pop3 connections? 100 >concurrent smtp? (x86). Is there a good e-mail paging solution I could >use in conjunction with either? Would FreeBSD be okay for these, or am I >better off with BSDi? I would appreciate hearing any success/failure >stories from people running Post.Office under BSDi, and anyone running >qpopper/sendmail under freebsd with around the same load. Do you *really* have 500 concurrent pop3 connections? currently we serve 7500 users aprox and we have 5 concurrent pop3 sessions at most during peak hours. I've seen many people using sendpage... Haven't tried it myself, but certainly will. We run qpopper/sendmail with much success. If you configure it correctly, a couple (or even a single!) Pentium 200, 256Meg RAM could provide all that you need. >4) NFS. I'm looking to have an NFS machine which will house pretty much >everything. All our customers web pages will be stored here, all the >news, all the mail, etc. The actual service machines (mail server, web >server, etc.) will just mount their respective directories on this server >to deliver the requested data. Is this viable? I tend to dislike this design. This will create a single point of failure and probably create a lot of security holes in your setup. The performance will also suffer because of the massive ammounts of info you'll have bouncing in your network back and forth. Picture this: (1) User request a given article from your news server (2) news server reads the file from the NFS server (3) news server replies to the client This duplicates (or triplicates if you consider the download of your news traffic) the ammount of data sent over your net. Now, this might be acceptable depending on your particular scenario. >The NFS server is going >to be a custom-built, dual Ppro with 200mb ram (probably DIMM's), 8 4-gig >drives using an Adaptec 2940UW, combining all drives into a single >partition via ccp, will be running BSDi, all on a 100mbps LAN. Will this >be a good enough solution for that much data? This is probably a good fileserver, but keep in mind that anyway the prior paragraphs are still true. Also I'm sure that many on this list have much more space just for news service. You also have all your eggs on a single basket; if one of your 4Gig disks die, all of your services will go down though they might have survived (you still have perfectly good servers). Please don't get me wrong, as I'm biased towards a more distributed design strategy ;) >Will this give us room >enough for expansion? If ANONE sees a problem with this, please let me >know (I'm begging!), because if this baby can't cut it, it could mean my >hide. :) > >5) Lastly, I'm looking into building my own router for pop sites. I'm >thinking of using a 486DX with 8 megs ram, internal T1 CSU card, and >FreeBSD as its core components. This router will be handling probably >nothing more then 48 33.6 lines over a Frame Relay connection to our main >backbone. Will a computer be a reliable enough solution for routing IP? It *might* be reliable enough. Computers are too complex for this. For instance, you only need your HD for booting the OS. After this, the HD becomes a critical point. If it fails, your router goes down. If you're under a cost constraint, try to get a few used Cisco 2501. They're *much* more reliable than servers for this job (in my opinion and experience). They have a single ethernet (10 Mbps) port and two independent T1/E1 sync serial ports. The most basic software set allows for Frame Relay and the speak BGP4, so you can build a rather complex network when the need arises. You can also upgrade them up to 16Mb RAM using standard 72-pin SIMMS (70ns, no parity worked fine for us). > Thanks in advance to whoever takes the time to reply. Good luck! -lem From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 19:14:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA23364 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:14:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from True.Net (true.net [200.11.130.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23300; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:14:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lem@cantv.net) Received: from fwa-1.true.net (fwa-2.true.net [200.11.130.1]) by True.Net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA19953; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:13:58 -0400 (AST) Received: (daemon@localhost) by fwa-1.true.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) id XAA04358; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:13:57 -0400 (VET) Received: from unknown(161.196.105.69) by fwa-1.true.net via smap (V1.3) id smaf04324; Sun Jan 4 23:13:30 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980104231115.0085f740@pop.cantv.net> X-Sender: lem@pop.cantv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 23:11:15 -0400 To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP Cc: lukas@design.de (Lukas Wunner), andreas@klemm.gtn.com, lukas@design.de, lem@cantv.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801042039.PAA01086@dyson.iquest.net> References: <19980104174553.57475@reactor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 03:39 PM 04/01/1998 -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: >Lukas Wunner said: >> performance, especially the VX chipset). Now consider that we'd put >> say, 512MB of RAM in the PPro based system, so that's twice as much as >> in our Pentium based news box. If there is more real memory, there is >> of course also more data to be transferred between the CPU and the memory >> per second, but as the PPro boards' memory bandwidth is actually smaller >> than the Pentium boards', the memory interface will become a real >> bottleneck. As I said, OrionGX boards seem to be a lot better in that >> respect, but they are also hard to get. At least that is my experience. >> >I have done some analysis on PPro memory usage, and one thing that is >fairly impressive is that the processor is very well decoupled from memory >by the L1/L2 cache. I think that you'd find that a PPro bus is quite a >bit less occupied than a typical P5 MB (due to a dual bus, cache/memory) >approach. A normal dual P5 will pretty much fully occupy it's memory bus, >while a dual P6 will often not. The decoupling appears to be applicable to >the PII also, due to it's dual bus architecture, even though the L2 cache is >slower than on a P6. > >That isn't to disagree with you about the lower Natoma memory bandwidth, >however, the PPro doesn't need quite as much of it, while leaving more >for peripherals. Note that writes happen a lot less often on a PPro/PII, >due to the writeback caching, while the write performance of Natoma is >where it is most deficient. This (very informative) discussion reminds me one of my favorite arguments about using PCs, which I would like you all to comment. I think that the servers at an ISP are needed only to copy data (using certain protocols) among the network and the disks. This is essentially what they do, so I'm not so concerned about the CPU power that sales-people tend to emphasize. If we get a high end server, for instance, an Alpha Server, we get a PCI bus (same bus on high end PC servers, probably at the same speed?). Sun is also in the works for a PCI Ultra (or so have I heard). Some high end workstations use 70ns memory, the same (or even slower) than the memory we place at the PC servers. The disk subsystems are built of the same hardware and has the same specs. I know there are significant differences in the internal architecture of those servers and the PCs we use, however I tend to believe they provide no significant advantage in our bussines. To ilustrate this, I currently run two POP3 servers. One runs on an high-end alpha server, the other on a Pentium 100. Both of them provide exactly the same performance. All of this adds up to my belief that for customers behind 56K or even 128K modems there are no diferences if the services are delivered by crays or by cheaper PCs. Customers behind fatter pipes ussualy have their own servers anyway ;) I will be glad to see comments on these ideas... -lem From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 19:19:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA23797 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:19:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from subcellar.mwci.net (subcellar.mwci.net [205.254.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23790 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:19:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbutt@mwci.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by subcellar.mwci.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA06180; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:19:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:19:35 -0600 (CST) From: "James D. Butt" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980104225625.007bb280@pop.cantv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Nor do I. I tend to dislike NFS on an ISP core :) It scares me to death... I know that we will have to do it very soon though.... I can not think of any other solution for some situations... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- James D. Butt 'J.D.' Network Engineer Voice 319-557-8463 Network Operations Center Fax 319-557-9771 MidWest Communications, Inc. Pager 319-557-6347 241 Main St. noc@mwci.net Dubuque, IA 52001 jbutt@mwci.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 19:51:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA26230 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:51:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from True.Net (true.net [200.11.130.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA26215 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:51:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lem@cantv.net) Received: from fwa-1.true.net (fwa-2.true.net [200.11.130.1]) by True.Net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA21126 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:51:29 -0400 (AST) Received: (daemon@localhost) by fwa-1.true.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) id XAA04841 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:51:29 -0400 (VET) Received: from lem.dialup.true.net(200.11.160.2) by fwa-1.true.net via smap (V1.3) id sma004834; Sun Jan 4 23:51:09 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980104235044.00862830@pop.cantv.net> X-Sender: lem@pop.cantv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 23:50:44 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= Subject: Passwd formats Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there: How are the passwords stored on FreeBSD? I like the MD5 model as seems quite robust, but can someone throw in more detail regarding how is the password composed/processed? Thanks in advance. -lem From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 20:47:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA01079 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:47:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from subcellar.mwci.net (subcellar.mwci.net [205.254.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA01072 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:47:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbutt@mwci.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by subcellar.mwci.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA15483 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:47:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:47:06 -0600 (CST) From: "James D. Butt" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISP Conversion In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980104222917.007b9810@pop.cantv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >4) NFS. I'm looking to have an NFS machine which will house pretty much > I tend to dislike this design. This will create a single point of failure With a NetApp of falcon NFS server that is 100% redundant a failure is unlikely. Yet I think that it would be nutzo to put all services on one box.... > The performance will also suffer because of the massive ammounts of > info you'll have bouncing in your network back and forth. Picture this: > > (1) User request a given article from your news server > (2) news server reads the file from the NFS server > (3) news server replies to the client > > This duplicates (or triplicates if you consider the download of your > news traffic) the ammount of data sent over your net. > No.. Put multiple NIC's in 100BaseT or FDDI.. to connect "client" machines to NFS server.. and isolate the NFS server on a seperate network. If this is done right files coming out of cache on the NFS Boxes should be faster than local HD's.. > > You also have all your eggs on a single basket; if one of your 4Gig > disks die, all of your services will go down though they might have > survived (you still have perfectly good servers). RAID on NFS Box (NetApp or Falcon Box's are good) > > Please don't get me wrong, as I'm biased towards a more distributed > design strategy ;) I think that for most things that distributed computing is the best but some applications *MAIL* has to have some type of centralization.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- James D. Butt 'J.D.' Network Engineer Voice 319-557-8463 Network Operations Center Fax 319-557-9771 MidWest Communications, Inc. Pager 319-557-6347 241 Main St. noc@mwci.net Dubuque, IA 52001 jbutt@mwci.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 21:01:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01909 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:01:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01900 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:01:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id AAA06951; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:00:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980105000037.49046@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:00:37 -0500 From: Norman C Rice To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= Cc: spork , jbutt@mwci.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP References: <199801042025.OAA22797@subcellar.mwci.net> <3.0.5.32.19980104225625.007bb280@pop.cantv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C3=2E0=2E5=2E32=2E19980104225625=2E007bb280=40pop=2Ecan?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?tv=2Enet=3E=3B_from_=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22_on_Sun=2C_Jan?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_04=2C_1998_at_10=3A56=3A25PM_-0400?= Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jan 04, 1998 at 10:56:25PM -0400, "Luis E. Muñoz" wrote: > At 04:50 PM 04/01/1998 -0500, spork wrote: > [snip] > >At this point we see different behaviour. The client sometimes panics > >(haven't been at the console to see why), or the command hangs and is > >un-killable. The only way to get rid of the phantom mount seems to be a > >reboot of the client.... > > A panic is definitely not correct, however a command waiting forever > is normal. These are the semantics of a 'hard' mount on NFS. If you > want the processes to timeout, you need a 'soft' mount. This should I have used soft, interruptible NFS mounts under FreeBSD 2.1.5, 2.16, 2.2.2, 2.2.5 (RELEASE and STABLE) and have never experienced a panic, but the "freezing" *does* occur. I have found no way to interrupt it and it doesn't time out (at least within a 48 hour period). :-( Whenever the NFS server goes down a `df' will faithfully reproduce the problem. An `ls' of a directory below the mount point will also reproduce the "freeze." I have to resort to the reset button, power switch, or power cord to recover (Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't work). I cannot get any response from rlogin, telnet, or serial terminal sessions after the system freezes. Strobe reports that many services are running, but for all I can tell, they're not. Under identical circumstances, Linux 2.x.x boxes do not exhibit the problem; df works, and ls shows a either a cached directory listing or nothing. FWIW, my advice is don't use NFS mounts under FreeBSD unless you want the reliability of a Win95 system. ;-) > only be done if you really know for sure that you want that. Picture > a mail server trying to deliver mail to a failed NFS mailbox. The > actual timeout might be in the close() call. If this fails, probably > will go undetected and the mail will be lost in the bit bucket. > This is why the default mount stile is 'hard'. > > You also cannot unmount a FS while there are operations queued for > the NFS server. You need the server to be back up before you can > unmount. If this doesn't happen, then we have another abnormal > situation... IMHO, this sounds like a good way to take an entire network down from a single point of failure. > > As a rule of thumb, I assume that the clients will be down of the > NFS server dies for some reason. Sometimes you may think that > the client may continue with other tasks unrelated to the > unresponsive filesystems, but eventually there are going to be > enough blocked processes so as to stop the client. > > We've only sporadically used NFS mounts to export CDs and other stuff > in our lab from FreeBSD 2.2.5 servers, with excellent behavior. > > >Seems to work well except for this behaviour, but I wouldn't want to put > >it in production. > > Nor do I. I tend to dislike NFS on an ISP core :) > > [snip] > > -lem -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 21:29:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA03953 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:29:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user7320@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA03936 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:29:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 5 Jan 1998 05:35:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:35:52 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: "James D. Butt" cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For a client/workstation environment, NFS is really cool. For an ISP, I do not see any place it would be _required_ or recommended unless you were maintaining user shell space, which most places don't do. It adds lots of network and CPU overhead, and a considerable risk, so it is best suited for a "trusted" or secure environment, like behind a firewall, where it doesn't get hit by the outside world. Them maintenance is fairly simple. If you can figure out serial networking, NFS is a breeze! :) Kevin On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, James D. Butt wrote: > > Nor do I. I tend to dislike NFS on an ISP core :) > > It scares me to death... I know that we will have to do it very soon > though.... I can not think of any other solution for some situations... > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > James D. Butt 'J.D.' > Network Engineer Voice 319-557-8463 > Network Operations Center Fax 319-557-9771 > MidWest Communications, Inc. Pager 319-557-6347 > 241 Main St. noc@mwci.net > Dubuque, IA 52001 jbutt@mwci.net > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 21:38:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA04527 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:38:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA04522 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:38:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts1-cltnc-23.cetlink.net [209.54.58.23]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA20747 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:38:43 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPPD terminal server on FreeBSD, NATD Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 06:39:32 GMT Message-ID: <34b07d97.643666@mail.cetlink.net> References: <34b02cb1.200036@mail.cetlink.net> In-Reply-To: <34b02cb1.200036@mail.cetlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id VAA04523 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 01:04:56 GMT, jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) wrote: >>> >> I'm doing some simple testing to see if FreeBSD is feasible as a >>> >> terminal server. My first test of 2.2.5-stable, using only two ports >>> >> simultaneously, indicates there is considerable efficiency loss due >>> >> to transmit underruns. >I ran a another test with 2.2.2-release, a different machine, and a >different multiport serial card. Although I got the same result, I >learned something new. >So NATD seems to be causing the efficiency loss. Whoops! After more testing, NATD is not causing any problem. My test client on the second port seems to have been misconfigured, running an untouchable piece of software which purports to be an OS. I changed that client to FreeBSD and the efficiency loss disappeared. I still don't know yet if FreeBSD will scale to a 32 port terminal server with the SIO driver and cheap multiport serial cards like the one I use, but with no efficiency loss on 2 ports, it has some hope. John From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 21:49:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA05228 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:49:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from subcellar.mwci.net (subcellar.mwci.net [205.254.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA05221 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:49:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbutt@mwci.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by subcellar.mwci.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA20610; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:48:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:48:51 -0600 (CST) From: "James D. Butt" To: Atipa cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > For a client/workstation environment, NFS is really cool. For an ISP, I > do not see any place it would be _required_ or recommended unless you MAIL.. Lets say that you have like lots of incomming mail more than one machine will handle... At that point you will have to have more than one MX host and possibly more than one popper machines.. All reading off of a common spool.. I know that BSDI had some file locking issues.. It has been a bit since I have thought about this... If I remember right it did not support any type of file locking. What about FreeBSD?? > were maintaining user shell space, which most places don't do. It adds > lots of network and CPU overhead, and a considerable risk, so it is best > suited for a "trusted" or secure environment, like behind a firewall, > where it doesn't get hit by the outside world. A trusted/secure enviroment is not difficult... > Them maintenance is fairly simple. If you can figure out serial > networking, NFS is a breeze! :) I should have defined my scares me to death more.. I have used NFS lots but I have never thought of the reliablity as very good... I have had a few instances of real problems caused by NFS some odd file coruption ect. We also had some really nasty situations come up with BSDI 2.0 where we would have to reboot the machine to make NFS work after clients crashing.. > > It scares me to death... I know that we will have to do it very soon > > though.... I can not think of any other solution for some situations... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- James D. Butt 'J.D.' Network Engineer Voice 319-557-8463 Network Operations Center Fax 319-557-9771 MidWest Communications, Inc. Pager 319-557-6347 241 Main St. noc@mwci.net Dubuque, IA 52001 jbutt@mwci.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 22:02:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA05972 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:02:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user7454@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA05955 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:02:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 5 Jan 1998 06:08:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:08:58 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: "James D. Butt" cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, James D. Butt wrote: > > > > For a client/workstation environment, NFS is really cool. For an ISP, I > > do not see any place it would be _required_ or recommended unless you > > MAIL.. > > Lets say that you have like lots of incomming mail more than one machine > will handle... At that point you will have to have more than one MX host > and possibly more than one popper machines.. All reading off of a common > spool.. Well, think of a news server as a "big mail host". How many people use NFS on a news server? None that I am aware of. A PPro 200MHz can handle all the mail 3 T3's can dump on it. How much mail are we talking about? Storage may be an issue, but thats a whole different ball game. You can also use qmail to queue your jobs and spool them to a single repository for local deliveries. > I know that BSDI had some file locking issues.. It has been a bit since I > have thought about this... If I remember right it did not support any type > of file locking. What about FreeBSD?? I would think that the all the UFS info from the hosting partition (including locks) would be transmitted over NFS. I could be wrong though. > I should have defined my scares me to death more.. I have used NFS lots > but I have never thought of the reliablity as very good... I have had a > few instances of real problems caused by NFS some odd file coruption ect. That's what DATs are for. I know what you mean, though. You want a system you set up and NOT WORRY ABOUT. Our NFS server has had in excess of 250 days uptime, but I am not doing anything fancy on it. It is exporting NFS and samba, and I have not had ANY lockups, freezes, or corruptions so far (knock on wood!). > We also had some really nasty situations come up with BSDI 2.0 where we > would have to reboot the machine to make NFS work after clients crashing.. Yuck. That would be a definite problem. I still think you can avoid NFS if you want to. I also think FreeBSD's NFS kicks the shit out of Linux's for speed, reliability, and security. I give Kudos to the guys who have worked on it. Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 22:11:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA06608 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:11:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA06593 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:11:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04334; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:11:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from localhost (ejs@localhost) by harlie.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA29369; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:11:05 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: harlie.bfd.com: ejs owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:11:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= cc: MegaFred , freebsd mailing list Subject: Re: ISP Conversion In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980104222917.007b9810@pop.cantv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id WAA06599 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, "Luis E. Muñoz" wrote: > I've seen many people using sendpage... Haven't tried it myself, but > certainly will. check out qpage as well, it compiles cleanly under FreeBSD, and while I gave up on sendpage before the 0.8.X versions came out, I never did get earlier versions to work under FreeBSD. Oh, there's a port of qpage. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 22:33:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA08296 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:33:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.island.net.au (mail.island.net.au [203.102.137.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA08287 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:33:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hugh@island.net.au) Received: from solo.island.net.au (solo.island.net.au [203.102.137.8]) by mail.island.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA23018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:33:30 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980105173242.00686f7c@mail.island.net.au> X-Sender: hugh@mail.island.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:32:42 +1100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Hugh Blandford Subject: ISPs in Spain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, I'm looking for some info on the ISP situation in Spain. My main concern is the area surrounding the Grenada university. What is the situation with webpages, local call tariffs, phone line provision and quality. Does the university provide accounts for members etc. I had a bit of a look but could not find a web site for the uni. If anyone can help please contact me at hugh@island.net.au Thanks, Hugh From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 22:38:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA08714 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from subcellar.mwci.net (subcellar.mwci.net [205.254.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA08704 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:38:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbutt@mwci.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by subcellar.mwci.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA26752; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:38:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:38:06 -0600 (CST) From: "James D. Butt" To: Atipa cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Well, think of a news server as a "big mail host". How many people use > NFS on a news server? None that I am aware of. > > A PPro 200MHz can handle all the mail 3 T3's can dump on it. How much > mail are we talking about? Storage may be an issue, but thats a whole > different ball game. Oshh... About a year ago or so we tested a BSDI 2.0 machine with sendmail (It was a P120 with I forget how much ram) we tried to kill it will mail to find out how much mail it could do....SMTP wise.. We figured that at 15,000 users or so that we would have the server maxed out during some periods of the day.. If I remember right the machine had slow disks.. We did all sorts of calculations based on our mail at that time.. I guess that it is possible... Hmmm that gives me something to think about.. We have noticed that the performance of FreeBSD is a bit better than BSDI 2.0.. What about UID's what is the max number of users you can throw on one system?? > That's what DATs are for. I know what you mean, though. You want a system > you set up and NOT WORRY ABOUT. Our NFS server has had in excess of 250 > days uptime, but I am not doing anything fancy on it. It is exporting NFS > and samba, and I have not had ANY lockups, freezes, or corruptions so far > (knock on wood!). We had a BSDI server at 400 some days and then we had a nic go bad (real strange).. > I still think you can avoid NFS if you want to. I also think FreeBSD's NFS > kicks the shit out of Linux's for speed, reliability, and security. I > give Kudos to the guys who have worked on it. I will have to say that I am so impressed with FreeBSD... I just did not realize...when we started looking at it. We have replaced all of out BSDI and Linux boxes with FreeBSD and we are very very happy. Way to go guys.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- James D. Butt 'J.D.' Network Engineer Voice 319-557-8463 Network Operations Center Fax 319-557-9771 MidWest Communications, Inc. Pager 319-557-6347 241 Main St. noc@mwci.net Dubuque, IA 52001 jbutt@mwci.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 4 23:18:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA11075 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:18:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA11067 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:18:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29382; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:18:25 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:18:25 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: John Kelly cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPPD terminal server on FreeBSD, NATD In-Reply-To: <34b07d97.643666@mail.cetlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I still don't know yet if FreeBSD will scale to a 32 port terminal > server with the SIO driver and cheap multiport serial cards like the > one I use, but with no efficiency loss on 2 ports, it has some hope. I have a 686-200 with 1 16-port cyclades and 2 TC-800 (Byterunners). The main problem I have is with mpd running really hard, taking 6% of CPU, trying to serve 3 downstream small ISPs all at peak time. In other words, for normal use, using kernel pppd, the TC-800 from Byterunner is fine. However, one of those downstream ISPs put his MPD onto two ports of his TC-800 and it would not work. The second TC-800 sio port on the mpd was hardly serviced at all, and data flow was abysmal. Moving his mpd to sio0 and sio1 fixed the problem, and he has users dialling into the TC-800 fine. In other words, TC-800 is fine for transmitting data, but not so good on receiving it. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 00:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA14867 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:20:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from radford.i-plus.net (root@NS.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA14856 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rewt@i-Plus.net) Received: from b.nu (old@b.nu [208.24.67.58]) by radford.i-plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA00592; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:20:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <010f01bd19b3$d7a38460$3a4318d0@b.nu> From: "Troy Settle" To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" Cc: "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Paging Software (WAS: Re: ISP Conversion) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:28:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I looked at qpage, but it appeared only to be for sending requests to a SNPP server. Have you sucessfully set up a SNPP server? I can't seem to find any software for it except hylafax, which connects, but can't seem to communicate with the TAP server at my paging company. -- Troy Settle -- - -- - -- -- Got 'Net? -- Network Administrator | This Space | Explore the world with st@i-Plus.net | For Rent | iPlus Internet Services ICQ: 1625842 -- - -- - -- http://www.i-Plus.net -----Original Message----- From: Eric J. Schwertfeger To: Luis E. Muñoz Cc: MegaFred ; freebsd mailing list Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:55 AM Subject: Re: ISP Conversion >On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, "Luis E. Muñoz" wrote: > >> I've seen many people using sendpage... Haven't tried it myself, but >> certainly will. > >check out qpage as well, it compiles cleanly under FreeBSD, and while I >gave up on sendpage before the 0.8.X versions came out, I never did get >earlier versions to work under FreeBSD. Oh, there's a port of qpage. > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 00:45:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA15924 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:45:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mailhost.interact.se (mailhost.interact.se [194.18.135.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA15919 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:45:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonas@interact.se) Received: from interact.se (dracula.utb.interact.se [194.18.135.198]) by mailhost.interact.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11937 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:43:34 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34B0ABAD.E8119073@interact.se> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 09:45:17 +0000 From: Jonas Eriksson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: pppd with SQL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello I wonder if it is possible to get pppd/autodetecting pap to read logins and passwords from a (my)SQL database?. (terminalserver) Is this possible without hacking pppd sources? -- Jonas E / System Administrator From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 01:49:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA19299 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:49:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA19293 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:49:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA29591; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:48:59 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:48:59 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Jonas Eriksson cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pppd with SQL In-Reply-To: <34B0ABAD.E8119073@interact.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Jonas Eriksson wrote: > I wonder if it is possible to get pppd/autodetecting pap to read > logins and passwords from a (my)SQL database?. (terminalserver) > > Is this possible without hacking pppd sources? No, I don't believe it is possible without hacking pppd, but it should not be too hard to do, by merging in the appropriate bits of mysql. Danny /* Daniel O'Callaghan */ /* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ /* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 04:06:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA25682 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:06:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA25667 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 04:06:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (beBop) id WAA22900; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:36:08 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:36:08 +1030 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199801051206.WAA22900@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPPD terminal server on FreeBSD, NATD In-Reply-To: <68q3rt$cm7$1@al.imforei.apana.org.au> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971224 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/2.2-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <68q3rt$cm7$1@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: >> I still don't know yet if FreeBSD will scale to a 32 port terminal >> server with the SIO driver and cheap multiport serial cards like the >> one I use, but with no efficiency loss on 2 ports, it has some hope. > I have a 686-200 with 1 16-port cyclades and 2 TC-800 (Byterunners). > The main problem I have is with mpd running really hard, taking 6% of CPU, > trying to serve 3 downstream small ISPs all at peak time. In other words, > for normal use, using kernel pppd, the TC-800 from Byterunner is fine. FWIW our 486dx33/8mb ram with 2 16-port cyclades cards + a dumb 4 port card + 2 onboard ports = 38 ports works ok as a _terminal server_ We managed to pick the Cyclades up for around $AUS 700 each new in May96 so all I can say is _impressive_ We usually have 9-10 slip/cslip connections, 2 kernel ppp, 3 or 4 permenant's via userppp and 7 lines for dialup userppp. Some basic subnet routing is handled by gated.. This seems ok, although it could probably use some more tweaking. We had some problems with it initially, but once we moved it from 2.1-RELEASE to 2.1.5-STABLE it firmed up. 61 days uptime at current, and for probably a year it hasn't had a _unplanned_ reboot. Some of the ports on this box run _flat_ strap all day, and it does an brilliant job (ie one newsfeed running full throttle). Its my gateway to the internet from home and I don't have a problem with it at all! I've installed FreeBSD on a 386sx/8mb with two modems hanging off it that was a dns server, samba server, and dialup server for a commercial site (*groan*) -- it did very well considering :) Peter -- Peter Childs - finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for PGP public key We are FreeBSD, resistance is related to current and voltage... From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 07:43:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA11625 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:43:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA11619 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:43:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13498; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:43:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:43:17 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Troy Settle cc: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" , "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: Paging Software (WAS: Re: ISP Conversion) In-Reply-To: <010f01bd19b3$d7a38460$3a4318d0@b.nu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA11620 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I looked at qpage, but it appeared only to be for sending requests to a SNPP > server. It is a full paging package, both client and server. You run the qpage daemon on the machine with an attached modem, and you can either only run the client on that machine and have it invoke pages by mail, or you can put the client on each monitored machine and have your various monitoring scripts call it to alert you... I compiled it from the source, but the author noted that it is now a port/pkg in -current. Worked great for me, much easier to set up than any other package I've used. Charles Have you sucessfully set up a SNPP server? I can't seem to find > any software for it except hylafax, which connects, but can't seem to > communicate with the TAP server at my paging company. > > -- > Troy Settle -- - -- - -- -- Got 'Net? -- > Network Administrator | This Space | Explore the world with > st@i-Plus.net | For Rent | iPlus Internet Services > ICQ: 1625842 -- - -- - -- http://www.i-Plus.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric J. Schwertfeger > To: Luis E. Muñoz > Cc: MegaFred ; freebsd mailing list > > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:55 AM > Subject: Re: ISP Conversion > > > >On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, "Luis E. Muñoz" wrote: > > > >> I've seen many people using sendpage... Haven't tried it myself, but > >> certainly will. > > > >check out qpage as well, it compiles cleanly under FreeBSD, and while I > >gave up on sendpage before the 0.8.X versions came out, I never did get > >earlier versions to work under FreeBSD. Oh, there's a port of qpage. > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 07:59:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA12589 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:59:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA12582 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:59:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrs@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (jrs@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id JAA23686; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:59:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jrs@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA10353; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:59:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:59:37 -0600 (CST) From: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II Reply-To: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jhupp@gensys.com, jbutt@mwci.net, Lyle Evans Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large isp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thankyou for your help and suggestions. I just really have one more last topic i would like to discuss further. I read all the comments about NFS and based on comments i want to know of any practical alternatives. If i use common machines (as suggested) for mail, web and ftp --(ie) **NT** **ftp** **smtp** **cluster** **WWW** **POP3** **DNS1***** **DNS2** I was under the impression that the only way to share the files local to the users (*their directories with their mail, uploaded files, html etc*) was to use nfs and mount the directories accrosss each machine allowing accesss to the same information. If i wanted the desired effect but didn't want to use NFS is ccd an option if i expect to grow extremely quickly?? What other options have i not looked at for sharing user directories?? Thankyou for your help. JOHN ********************************* * M C S N E T * * Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II * * jrs@mcs.net * ********************************* From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 08:44:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA16968 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:44:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16961 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:44:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08415; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:44:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from localhost (ejs@localhost) by harlie.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07424; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:44:03 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: harlie.bfd.com: ejs owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Troy Settle cc: "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: Paging Software (WAS: Re: ISP Conversion) In-Reply-To: <010f01bd19b3$d7a38460$3a4318d0@b.nu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Troy Settle wrote: > I looked at qpage, but it appeared only to be for sending requests to a SNPP > server. Have you sucessfully set up a SNPP server? I can't seem to find > any software for it except hylafax, which connects, but can't seem to > communicate with the TAP server at my paging company. qpage can be set up to do either. I think our qpage port needs to be more flexible, but all the info is in the man pages and other documentation. We've got qpage installed on several machines, all feeding to one machine which does the actual TAP connection, all installed using just qpage. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 11:59:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA06163 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:59:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06156 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:59:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00636 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:38:36 GMT Message-ID: <34B13CDA.AF845AFD@tdx.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:04:42 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Ifconfig & 2nd IP address - weird... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, If I do the following on my BSD box (to serve as a secondary IP for a virtual web-server):- ifconfig de0 192.168.100.2 alias "ifconfig -a" then shows:- de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 inet 192.168.100.2 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 ether 00:00:c0:eb:a3:0b lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 etc... (netmask should be 255.255.255.224 - which the above seems to be - this puts me on a net of 30 hosts...) I can ping the .2 address fine from other machines, but I can't ping that address from the machine itself... I've checked the arp table - which shows the ARP for 192.168.100.2 as being 'incomplete', but even if I manually edit the arp table and put the right ethernet address in there - the machine can't ping itself on the 2ndry IP address... I'm running ipfw but with 'add allow all from any to any' as the only rule, and I'm also running 'gateway_enable="YES"' in my rc.conf... netstat -r shows:- 192.168.100.1 0:0:c0:eb:a3:b UHLW 1 1008 lo0 192.168.100.2 link#2 UHLW 0 2 If I'm really unlucky (i.e. after a while) I get: (root) caladan>ping 192.168.100.2 PING 192.168.100.2 (192.168.100.2): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: Host is down ping: wrote 192.168.100.2 64 chars, ret=-1 ping: sendto: Host is down ping: wrote 192.168.100.2 64 chars, ret=-1 ping: sendto: Host is down ping: wrote 192.168.100.2 64 chars, ret=-1 Though other external machines continue to ping it fine... :-( (Traceroute displays the same info - host is down). The system's running 2.2.2-RELEASE... - and also has 1 other interface, "fxp0" - which works fine - and only has 1 IP address bound to it... Any suggestions? (I'm sure this is something simple & silly ;-) Regards, Karl Pielorz From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 13:58:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA18262 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:58:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18251 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:58:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00771; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:57:55 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:57:54 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large isp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II wrote: > **NT** **ftp** **smtp** **cluster** > **WWW** **POP3** **DNS1***** > **DNS2** Will you be multi-homed? If not, you really should not act as your own DNS secondary. You should arrange with another (remote) ISP to swap secondary services. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 14:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA18505 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:01:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.202.137.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18498 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:01:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10262; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:00:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:00:14 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: Karl Pielorz cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ifconfig & 2nd IP address - weird... In-Reply-To: <34B13CDA.AF845AFD@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Hi All, > > If I do the following on my BSD box (to serve as a secondary IP for a virtual > web-server):- > > ifconfig de0 192.168.100.2 alias > > "ifconfig -a" then shows:- > > de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > inet 192.168.100.2 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > ether 00:00:c0:eb:a3:0b Use netmask 0xffffffff (255.255.255.255) for 2nd and additional addresses on the same interface. Regards, Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 14:01:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA18544 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:01:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from s02.admin.cantv.net (s02.admin.cantv.net [161.196.66.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18535 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:01:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lem@cantv.net) Received: from lemtop.cantv.net ([161.196.66.20]) by s02.admin.cantv.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA11937; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:59:06 -0400 (GMT-0400) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980105175925.0085e9a0@pop.cantv.net> X-Sender: lem@pop.cantv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:59:25 -0400 To: Karl Pielorz From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= Subject: Re: Ifconfig & 2nd IP address - weird... Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <34B13CDA.AF845AFD@tdx.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:04 PM 05/01/1998 +0000, Karl Pielorz wrote: >Hi All, > >If I do the following on my BSD box (to serve as a secondary IP for a virtual >web-server):- > >ifconfig de0 192.168.100.2 alias > >"ifconfig -a" then shows:- > >de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > inet 192.168.100.2 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > ether 00:00:c0:eb:a3:0b >lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 >etc... > >(netmask should be 255.255.255.224 - which the above seems to be - this puts >me on a net of 30 hosts...) > >I can ping the .2 address fine from other machines, but I can't ping that >address from the machine itself... You need to add a route to the new 'virtual' address via the loopback address. Something like $ route add 192.168.100.2 127.0.0.1 will probably work. -lem From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 14:13:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA19479 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:13:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA19471 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:13:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00830; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:12:36 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:12:35 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Karl Pielorz cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ifconfig & 2nd IP address - weird... In-Reply-To: <34B13CDA.AF845AFD@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > If I do the following on my BSD box (to serve as a secondary IP for a virtual > web-server):- > > ifconfig de0 192.168.100.2 alias > > "ifconfig -a" then shows:- > > de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > inet 192.168.100.2 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > ether 00:00:c0:eb:a3:0b See what happens if you do: ifconfig de0 192.168.100.2 netmask 0xffffffff alias Sometimes I have had to add a host route to the alias address: route add 192.168.100.2 127.0.0.1 Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 14:22:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA20313 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:22:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20290 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:21:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00502; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:00:28 GMT Message-ID: <34B15E1A.EE0854C6@tdx.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:26:34 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrew@pubnix.net CC: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ifconfig & 2nd IP address - weird... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to yourself, and the numerous other people who replied... Changing the netmask to 255.255.255.255 (0xffffffff) did indeed fix the problem... I'd not seen this mentioned anywhere - or if I did it must have been long forgotten... Regards, Karl Pielorz Andrew Webster wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > > > de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > > inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > > inet 192.168.100.2 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > > ether 00:00:c0:eb:a3:0b > > Use netmask 0xffffffff (255.255.255.255) for 2nd and additional addresses > on the same interface. > > Regards, > > Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 14:29:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA20818 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:29:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20801 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:29:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id XAA08396; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:15:11 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id WAA27901; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:29:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980105222939.65169@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:29:39 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= Cc: spork , jbutt@mwci.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2-STABLE client hangs after a NFS server (2.2-STABLE) reboot (was: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP) References: <199801042025.OAA22797@subcellar.mwci.net> <3.0.5.32.19980104225625.007bb280@pop.cantv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C3=2E0=2E5=2E32=2E19980104225625=2E007bb280=40pop=2Ecan?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?tv=2Enet=3E=3B_from_=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22_on_Sun=2C_Jan?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_04=2C_1998_at_10=3A56=3A25PM_-0400?= X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jan 04, 1998 at 10:56:25PM -0400, "Luis E. Muñoz" wrote: > At 04:50 PM 04/01/1998 -0500, spork wrote: > > A panic is definitely not correct, however a command waiting forever > is normal. These are the semantics of a 'hard' mount on NFS. If you > want the processes to timeout, you need a 'soft' mount. When using hard mounts the client should only wait for the server to come up again. I also noticed with FreeBSD-stable, that the client still hangs, if the server was down and reboots afterwards ... this was using the amd automounter. The soft mount only makes it possible for the NFS client not to wait for the server, which is really not recommended because of the possibility of data lossage. When using Solaris 1 or 2 I'm used, that the clients can continue to work, if the NFS server comes uo again. FreeBSD fails here. Is this a known problem ? -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 15:10:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA24213 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:10:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hermes (hermes.uninet.net.mx [200.33.146.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA24189 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix by hermes (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA08696; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:11:46 -0600 Message-ID: <34B16955.64BF3B38@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:14:29 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Pielorz CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ifconfig & 2nd IP address - weird... References: <34B13CDA.AF845AFD@tdx.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Karl Pielorz wrote: > > Hi All, > > If I do the following on my BSD box (to serve as a secondary IP for a virtual > web-server):- > > ifconfig de0 192.168.100.2 alias TRY ifconfig de0 192.168.100.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 alias provecho ed > > "ifconfig -a" then shows:- > > de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > inet 192.168.100.2 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > ether 00:00:c0:eb:a3:0b > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > etc... > > (netmask should be 255.255.255.224 - which the above seems to be - this puts > me on a net of 30 hosts...) > > I can ping the .2 address fine from other machines, but I can't ping that > address from the machine itself... > > I've checked the arp table - which shows the ARP for 192.168.100.2 as being > 'incomplete', but even if I manually edit the arp table and put the right > ethernet address in there - the machine can't ping itself on the 2ndry IP > address... > > I'm running ipfw but with 'add allow all from any to any' as the only rule, > and I'm also running 'gateway_enable="YES"' in my rc.conf... > > netstat -r shows:- > > 192.168.100.1 0:0:c0:eb:a3:b UHLW 1 1008 lo0 > 192.168.100.2 link#2 UHLW 0 2 > > If I'm really unlucky (i.e. after a while) I get: > > (root) caladan>ping 192.168.100.2 > PING 192.168.100.2 (192.168.100.2): 56 data bytes > ping: sendto: Host is down > ping: wrote 192.168.100.2 64 chars, ret=-1 > ping: sendto: Host is down > ping: wrote 192.168.100.2 64 chars, ret=-1 > ping: sendto: Host is down > ping: wrote 192.168.100.2 64 chars, ret=-1 > > Though other external machines continue to ping it fine... :-( (Traceroute > displays the same info - host is down). > > The system's running 2.2.2-RELEASE... - and also has 1 other interface, "fxp0" > - which works fine - and only has 1 IP address bound to it... > > Any suggestions? (I'm sure this is something simple & silly ;-) > > Regards, > > Karl Pielorz From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 17:04:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA05722 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:04:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com (wicked.eaznet.com [209.75.156.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05666 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:04:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (as1-15.eaznet.com [209.75.156.219]) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05219; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:06:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34B1833F.CFC1E900@eaznet.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 18:05:03 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" CC: Troy Settle , "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: Paging Software (WAS: Re: ISP Conversion) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Where can I get the full source? Thanks, Eddie Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Troy Settle wrote: > > > I looked at qpage, but it appeared only to be for sending requests to a SNPP > > server. Have you sucessfully set up a SNPP server? I can't seem to find > > any software for it except hylafax, which connects, but can't seem to > > communicate with the TAP server at my paging company. > > qpage can be set up to do either. I think our qpage port needs to be more > flexible, but all the info is in the man pages and other documentation. > We've got qpage installed on several machines, all feeding to one machine > which does the actual TAP connection, all installed using just qpage. -- Eddie Fry eddie@eaznet.com EAZNet Internet Services http://www.eaznet.com 220 West 7th Street (520) 348-0292 Safford, AZ 85546 EAZing you into the future... There is only one success -- to be able to spend your life in your own way. -Christopher Morley From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 18:09:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA11213 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:09:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA11203 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:09:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrs@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (jrs@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id UAA00117; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:09:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jrs@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA07789; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:09:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:09:11 -0600 (CST) From: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large isp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I will not be multihomed for the 1st 6 months but will open a second office and site in late 1998. john ********************************* * M C S N E T * * Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II * * jrs@mcs.net * ********************************* On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:57:54 +1100 (EST) > From: Daniel O'Callaghan > To: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large isp > > > On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II wrote: > > > **NT** **ftp** **smtp** **cluster** > > **WWW** **POP3** **DNS1***** > > **DNS2** > > Will you be multi-homed? If not, you really should not act as your own > DNS secondary. You should arrange with another (remote) ISP to swap > secondary services. > > Danny > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 18:37:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA14013 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:37:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.202.137.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA14005 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:37:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA19283; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:37:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:37:20 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: Karl Pielorz cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ifconfig & 2nd IP address - weird... In-Reply-To: <34B15E1A.EE0854C6@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Karl, I'm glad it worked! When you are running 2.2.5 or later, the rc.conf file has a sample entry that looks like this: #ifconfig_lo0_alias0="inet 127.0.0.254 netmask 0xffffffff" # Sample alias entry. so it is documented, just not in 2.2.2 which is what you are running. On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Thanks to yourself, and the numerous other people who replied... Changing the > netmask to 255.255.255.255 (0xffffffff) did indeed fix the problem... > > I'd not seen this mentioned anywhere - or if I did it must have been long > forgotten... > > Regards, > > Karl Pielorz > > > Andrew Webster wrote: > > > > On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > > > > > > de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > > > inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > > > inet 192.168.100.2 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 192.168.100.31 > > > ether 00:00:c0:eb:a3:0b > > > > Use netmask 0xffffffff (255.255.255.255) for 2nd and additional addresses > > on the same interface. > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net > Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 18:42:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA14740 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:42:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wizard.teksupport.net.au (wizard.teksupport.net.au [203.17.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA14683 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:42:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robseco@wizard.teksupport.net.au) Received: from warlock.teksupport.net.au (warlock.teksupport.net.au [203.26.69.3]) by wizard.teksupport.net.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA16803; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:41:09 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801060241.NAA16803@wizard.teksupport.net.au> From: "Rob Secombe" To: Cc: "FreeBSD ISP LIst" Subject: iijppp and stac compression Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:39:03 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, We are currently using FreeBSD with iijppp to implement simple firewalls for a number of our customers over 33k6 dialup lines. We have recently switched to using the Livingston PM3's which supports STAC compression. The following was taken from the Livingston Website: "Livingston's implementation of data compression utilizes the IETF proposed standard RFC 1962 PPP Compression Control Protocol for negotiation of data compression over dial-up and dedicated PPP links and the proposed standard RFC 1974 PPP Stac LZS Compression Protocol for actual data payload compression. The ComOS implementation supports both sequence number as well as extended mode error checking for full Microsoft Windows 95 interoperability. Full interoperability has been tested between Livingston products and 46 other data communications, networking and computer hardware manufacturers' products." The ability to use this feature would enable us to provide our users with better thoughput without them incurring the expense of having to shift to ISDN. My question is "does the latest version of iijppp support STAC, and if not, is there any posibility that support for STAC may be included in the near future?" I understand that STAC is a commercial product but also have read somewhere that licences may be obtained to include the code for no charge. Rob Secombe Engineering Director Teksupport Pty. Ltd. 7 Warwick Avenue, Springvale, Melbourne 3171 Victoria Australia Email: robseco@wizard.teksupport.net.au World Wide Web: http://www.teksupport.net.au/ PGP Public Key: http://www.teksupport.net.au/~robseco/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 19:57:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA22443 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:57:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bridge.millstream.net (bridge.millstream.net [208.12.120.211] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA22415 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:56:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bgeraty@millstream.net) Received: from luke.millstream.net (ppp-001-017.millstream.net [192.168.1.17]) by bridge.millstream.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10833 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:47:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801060347.VAA10833@bridge.millstream.net> Reply-To: From: "Brian Geraty" To: Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:50:18 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian M. Geraty Intellicom, Inc. and "The Geraty House" From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 5 22:03:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA05063 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:03:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from zen.triax.com (zen.triax.com [206.58.96.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA05044 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:02:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mfred@zen.triax.com) Received: from localhost (mfred@localhost) by zen.triax.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA23826; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:02:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:02:33 -0800 (PST) From: MegaFred To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= cc: freebsd mailing list Subject: Re: ISP Conversion In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980104222917.007b9810@pop.cantv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've seen many people using sendpage... Haven't tried it myself, but > certainly will. Anyone know if it has TAP support? > (1) User request a given article from your news server > (2) news server reads the file from the NFS server > (3) news server replies to the client Well, I definately wouldn't save the new traffic on a centralized NFS server, just maybe the web pages, the user home directories, etc. Is this still a flawed idea? > You also have all your eggs on a single basket; if one of your 4Gig > disks die, all of your services will go down though they might have > survived (you still have perfectly good servers). What about data mirroring? I'm not sure of all the raid levels, what they mean and what they do, nor even what the terminology is, but what about 12 hot-swappable 4-gig drives, 6 of which are live, the other 6 mirroring the previous ones? That way, if one of the drives goes bad, the OS instantly starts using the 'replicated' drive, allowing you time to pull the bad one out, replace it, and put a new one in for a live drive. Is there a term for this? Is this common practice? Is it feasable, cost-effective, or am I better off just going distributed? My hopes in this was to avoid re-partitioning drive when the need for more space arrives. > It *might* be reliable enough. Computers are too complex for this. > For instance, you only need your HD for booting the OS. After this, > the HD becomes a critical point. If it fails, your router goes down. True, but for all intents and purposes, would it work smoothly to route IP over frame-relay, serving nothing more then a terminal server of 16-32 ports? How about using it for nothing more then a gateway for a lan? All i need it for is network throughput... Reason I'm even considering this is we have so many 486 motherboards, CPU's, cases, et. al, that if all I needed were CSU cards to have an instant router, we'd probably save ALOT of money in the long run making our own. > If you're under a cost constraint, try to get a few used Cisco 2501. > They're *much* more reliable than servers for this job (in my opinion I was looking into these, and could not find anything other then there "enterprise" solutions (the 32k-50k high-end routers). Anyone know of a URL to get a catalogue of cisco's line of routers? TIA Joe From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 06:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA14553 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from nak.myhouse.com (nak.myhouse.com [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA14538 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:19:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zoonie@nak.myhouse.com) Received: (qmail 21413 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Jan 1998 14:21:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: zoonie To: MegaFred cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd mailing list Subject: Re: ISP Conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, MegaFred wrote: > I was looking into these, and could not find anything other then there > "enterprise" solutions (the 32k-50k high-end routers). Anyone know of a > URL to get a catalogue of cisco's line of routers? why not try www.cisco.com? in fact the exact link for a product listing is http://www.cisco.com/public/products_prod.shtml. you should find all of the products listed there by category..... From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 07:51:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA24714 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:51:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bert.club-web.com (bert.club-web.com [207.176.196.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA24696 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:51:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@club-web.com) Received: from club-web.com (ernie.club-web.com [207.176.196.12]) by bert.club-web.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14616; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:55:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B255C6.F4160FE8@club-web.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:03:18 -0500 From: Mark Segal Organization: Club-Web Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Pielorz , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ifconfig & 2nd IP address - weird... References: <34B15E1A.EE0854C6@tdx.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Karl Pielorz wrote: > > Thanks to yourself, and the numerous other people who replied... Changing the > netmask to 255.255.255.255 (0xffffffff) did indeed fix the problem... > > I'd not seen this mentioned anywhere - or if I did it must have been long > forgotten... > It's a bug in freebsd (not sure if it has been documented.. but it's just past on :).. every aliased ip after the first one has to have a netmask of 255.255.255.255 (or 0xffffffff)... mark -- Mark Segal mark@club-web.com System Administrator - Club-Web Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 08:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA27513 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:32:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com ([207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA27500 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:32:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com ([207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00423; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:33:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980106113514.00f3b100@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:35:14 -0500 To: MegaFred , "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E._Mu=F1oz=22?=" From: dennis Subject: Re: ISP Conversion Cc: freebsd mailing list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:02 PM 1/5/98 -0800, MegaFred wrote: >> I've seen many people using sendpage... Haven't tried it myself, but >> certainly will. > >Anyone know if it has TAP support? > >> (1) User request a given article from your news server >> (2) news server reads the file from the NFS server >> (3) news server replies to the client > >Well, I definately wouldn't save the new traffic on a centralized NFS >server, just maybe the web pages, the user home directories, etc. Is this >still a flawed idea? > >> You also have all your eggs on a single basket; if one of your 4Gig >> disks die, all of your services will go down though they might have >> survived (you still have perfectly good servers). > >What about data mirroring? I'm not sure of all the raid levels, what they >mean and what they do, nor even what the terminology is, but what about >12 hot-swappable 4-gig drives, 6 of which are live, the other 6 mirroring >the previous ones? That way, if one of the drives goes bad, the OS >instantly starts using the 'replicated' drive, allowing you time to pull >the bad one out, replace it, and put a new one in for a live drive. Is >there a term for this? Is this common practice? Is it feasable, >cost-effective, or am I better off just going distributed? My hopes in >this was to avoid re-partitioning drive when the need for more space >arrives. > >> It *might* be reliable enough. Computers are too complex for this. >> For instance, you only need your HD for booting the OS. After this, >> the HD becomes a critical point. If it fails, your router goes down. Routers are computers...I hate to bust your bubble. You'll be spending big bucks on higher end ciscos before you know it, so you might as well get familiar with freebsd routers now. You might have to replace the fan in your power supply once a year, but thats about it. this is so silly. Please read http://www.etinc.com/routers.htm for the other side of this ridiculous set of arguments. >> If you're under a cost constraint, try to get a few used Cisco 2501. >> They're *much* more reliable than servers for this job (in my opinion And why do you think there are so many used ciscos for sale? :-) Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 09:10:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA00727 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:10:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00700 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:09:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tomthai@future.net) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA13225; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:08:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:08:23 -0600 (CST) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Elliot Finley cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rocket Port cards In-Reply-To: <34b10cbb.6317810@castlenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have it. Works flawlessly, but it's in a Linux box. At the time, there was no FreeBSD (or maybe I didn't look hard enough). On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Elliot Finley wrote: > Hello, > Has anyone here had any experience using the 32 port PCI rocket > port cards? If so, could you share your experience, good or bad? > > thanx in advance > -- > All views, opinions, or random rantings are mine, and mine alone. > They are not to be taken seriously under any circumstances! > > Elliot Finley (efinley@castlenet.com) > President > Hiawatha Coal Company > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 11:13:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA11788 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:13:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from gonzo.tbf.net (gonzo.tbf.net [204.112.101.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11779 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgunkel@gonzo.tbf.net) Received: (from jgunkel@localhost) by gonzo.tbf.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29473; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:13:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:13:14 -0600 (CST) From: "John O. Gunkel" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: unsubscribe jgunkel@tbf.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe jgunkel@tbf.net Bye! |------------------------------------------------------------| |John O. Gunkel | FreeBSD 2.2.1 | |jgunkel@tbf.net | UNIX for the masses | |System Administrator | | |The Business Factory | Another day closer to a | |http://www.tbf.net | Micro$oft free world | |------------------------------------------------------------| From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 11:22:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA12428 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:22:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bridge.millstream.net (bridge.millstream.net [208.12.120.211] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA12405 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:22:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bgeraty@millstream.net) Received: from nt-3.millstream.net (nt-3.millstream.net [192.168.254.5]) by bridge.millstream.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08194 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:24:21 -0600 (CST) Received: by nt-3.millstream.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1AA6.6A572030@nt-3.millstream.net>; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:24:28 -0600 Message-ID: <01BD1AA6.6A572030@nt-3.millstream.net> From: "Brian M. Geraty" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:24:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 11:40:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA13991 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:40:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ecpi.com (ns1.ecpi.com [208.21.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA13976 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tushar@ecpi.com) Received: (from tushar@localhost) by ecpi.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16260 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:45:54 -0600 (CST) From: Tushar Patel Message-Id: <199801061945.NAA16260@ecpi.com> Subject: How will I find the version number for sendmail To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:45:53 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, How do I find the version number of the senmail we are running.? Man sendmail indicates we have sendmail 8, but it does not give me anything like 8.5 or 8.6 etc? We need to install the latest version of sendmail 8.8 so, we can take some measures againt spamer. Thanks, Tushar tushar@ecpi.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 11:44:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA14291 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:44:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from zen.triax.com (mfred@zen.triax.com [206.58.96.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14284 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:44:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mfred@zen.triax.com) Received: from localhost (mfred@localhost) by zen.triax.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA26837; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:44:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:44:09 -0800 (PST) From: MegaFred To: dennis cc: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E._Mu=F1oz=22?=" , freebsd mailing list Subject: Re: ISP Conversion In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980106113514.00f3b100@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Routers are computers...I hate to bust your bubble. You'll be spending > big bucks on higher end ciscos before you know it, so you might as > well get familiar with freebsd routers now. You might have to replace > the fan in your power supply once a year, but thats about it. > > this is so silly. Please read http://www.etinc.com/routers.htm for the other > side of this ridiculous set of arguments. I'm reading this page, and can't really tell. Are you for or against the idea of custom-built PC routers? Joe From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 13:44:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA24676 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:44:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.mel.aone.net.au (mail.mel.aone.net.au [203.12.176.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA24662 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:43:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from normh@aone.com.au) Received: from pc-normh.office.adl.aone.com.au (pc-normh.adl.aone.com.au [203.12.181.67]) by mail.mel.aone.net.au (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA26044; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:43:42 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801062143.IAA26044@mail.mel.aone.net.au> From: "Norman Hoy" To: "Tushar Patel" , Subject: Re: How will I find the version number for sendmail Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:13:09 +1030 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk telnet to your smtp port and look at the header response ie telnet localhost 25 you will get a response like esmtp spoken here sendmail version 8.8.9 etc regards Norman ---------- > From: Tushar Patel > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: How will I find the version number for sendmail > Date: Wednesday, 7 January 1998 6:15 > > Hi, > > How do I find the version number of the senmail we are running.? > > Man sendmail indicates we have sendmail 8, but it does not give me > anything like 8.5 or 8.6 etc? > > We need to install the latest version of sendmail 8.8 so, we can take > some measures againt spamer. > > Thanks, > Tushar > > tushar@ecpi.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 14:17:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29440 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:17:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bridge.millstream.net (bridge.millstream.net [208.12.120.211] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29420 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:17:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bgeraty@millstream.net) Received: from nt-3.millstream.net (nt-3.millstream.net [192.168.254.5]) by bridge.millstream.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA19238 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:19:51 -0600 (CST) Received: by nt-3.millstream.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1ABE.EE5B9650@nt-3.millstream.net>; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:19:58 -0600 Message-ID: <01BD1ABE.EE5B9650@nt-3.millstream.net> From: "Brian M. Geraty" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Still trying to unsubscribe Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:19:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe freebsd-isp From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 14:37:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02012 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:37:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA01967 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:36:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03339; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:35:19 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:35:18 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Tushar Patel cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How will I find the version number for sendmail In-Reply-To: <199801061945.NAA16260@ecpi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Tushar Patel wrote: > How do I find the version number of the senmail we are running.? Telnet to port 25 on your mail server. It will say something like 8.7.5/8.7.4, which means 8.7.5 running with an 8.7.4 config file. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 14:48:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA03006 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:48:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from land.willinet.net (land.willinet.net [198.49.30.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA02990 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:48:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tboellst@willinet.net) Received: (qmail 17978 invoked from network); 6 Jan 1998 16:44:49 -0600 Received: from ps38sux.willinet.net (HELO moe.splarg.org) (198.49.30.105) by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 1998 16:44:49 -0600 Message-ID: <002301bd1af5$38efef00$02010c0a@moe.splarg.org> From: "Tyson Boellstorff" To: "MegaFred" , "dennis" Cc: "Luis E. Muñoz" , "freebsd mailing list" Subject: Re: ISP Conversion Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:48:34 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >> this is so silly. Please read http://www.etinc.com/routers.htm for the other >> side of this ridiculous set of arguments. > >I'm reading this page, and can't really tell. Are you for or against the >idea of custom-built PC routers? I think that when each can be an appropriate tool in the appropriate situation. I've used PC routers in the past with great success. I also use them as centrally located places for network access tools. If the load gets too heavy, I move the load off. Simple as that. I get really high loads, I might go with Cisco, but then again, it all depends on how I'm setting things up. Failure can affect many things, routers and PC's are no exception. A lower MTBF can be compensated for. Plan carefully regardless of how you route. There are too many idiotic myths being perpetrated. Saying you are for or against a piece of hardware is like saying you are for or against hammers. Someday, in this best of all possible worlds, we will no longer get vendors slandering other products because they: a) Don't understand it. b) Don't want to support it. c) Want you to buy their product. It's one thing to promote your company's products, and another thing entirely to slander your competitors. I just dealt with another OS war rumor today: It seems that a certain software vendor's technical support is saying UNIX is obsolete because it can't support modern PC hardware (couldn't keep up with that fast hardware). I asked him if his boss knew he/she'd hired an idiot, or was an idiot as well. ;-) I refuse to buy products from people like that. I and my products may be next in line to be slandered, and I'd rather they go broke before that happens. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 15:01:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04133 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:01:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA03588 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:55:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25031; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:24:35 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA20844; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:24:35 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980107092435.56811@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:24:35 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Tushar Patel Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How will I find the version number for sendmail References: <199801061945.NAA16260@ecpi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801061945.NAA16260@ecpi.com>; from Tushar Patel on Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 01:45:53PM -0600 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 01:45:53PM -0600, Tushar Patel wrote: > Hi, > > How do I find the version number of the senmail we are running.? > > Man sendmail indicates we have sendmail 8, but it does not give me > anything like 8.5 or 8.6 etc? > > We need to install the latest version of sendmail 8.8 so, we can take > some measures againt spamer. Hmmm. ident should do it, but it doesn't. Try: $ strings /usr/sbin/sendmail | grep version.c @(#)version.c 8.8.8.1 (Berkeley) 10/24/97 Maybe somebody else can come up with a more elegant method. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 16:20:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA11448 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (0@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA11404 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:20:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01754; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:19:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980106161957.49702@agora.rdrop.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:19:58 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: Greg Lehey Cc: Tushar Patel , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How will I find the version number for sendmail References: <199801061945.NAA16260@ecpi.com> <19980107092435.56811@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary="ibTvN161/egqYuK8" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76 In-Reply-To: <19980107092435.56811@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 09:24:35AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 09:24:35AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > Received: from ns3.harborcom.net (ns3.harborcom.net [206.158.4.7]) > by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01064 ^^^^^^^^^^^ > for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:11:20 -0800 (PST) > Received: from hub.freebsd.org [204.216.27.18] > by ns3.harborcom.net with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) > id 0xpj56-0003jg-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:10:48 -0500 > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA04272; ^^^^^^^^^^^ > Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:01:39 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) > Received: (from root@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04133 ^^^^^^^^^^^ > for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:01:01 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) > Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA03588 ^^^^^^^^^^^ > for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:55:46 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) > Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) > by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25031; ^^^^^^^^^^^ > Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:24:35 +1030 (CST) > Received: (from grog@localhost) > by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA20844; ^^^^^^^^^^^ > Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:24:35 +1030 (CST) ... > Maybe somebody else can come up with a more elegant method. Indeed, the silly thing must be around somewhere... -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNLLKLYv4wNua7QglAQHCMgP+Jf63Hcc8sIj/DN3GkjVqW7BKTHl9c+P4 qqHi7602Y9VH61BVRa6Z0lQYMVDRNPg8ni1IDcf4hfRlJKwUtYAZ2t14SxbTdRlr GueNrapraBqQ9JcAtwWx+6fQk8ep32znWEp4rsMUSdSHhvUXdAunyq6xqLDMG2lr 5oTAaofnvB4= =qQud -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ibTvN161/egqYuK8-- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 16:39:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA12840 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:39:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA12822 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:39:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from suecat@juno.com) Received: (from suecat@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TPH25501; Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:38:24 EST To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:34:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Still trying to unsubscribe Message-ID: <19980106.194058.30366.1.SueCat@juno.com> References: <01BD1ABE.EE5B9650@nt-3.millstream.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,7 From: suecat@juno.com (Sue M MacNeil) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Would someone please tell this jerk how to unsub so he stops filling my mailbox with junk?? You'd think someone who was subbed to a list about ISP software would have enough of a clue to know how to unsub himself! I'm sorry to complain, but there's been too much junk on this list lately. -Sue- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 17:23:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA16094 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:23:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com ([207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA16088 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com ([207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA02187; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:24:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980106202619.00e0eae0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:26:19 -0500 To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E._Mu=F1oz=22?=" From: dennis Subject: Re: ISP Conversion Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id RAA16090 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:33 PM 1/6/98 -0400, Luis E. Muñoz wrote: >At 11:35 AM 06/01/1998 -0500, you wrote: >[snip] >>You'll be spending >>big bucks on higher end ciscos before you know it, so you might as >>well get familiar with freebsd routers now. You might have to replace >>the fan in your power supply once a year, but thats about it. >> >>this is so silly. Please read http://www.etinc.com/routers.htm for the other >>side of this ridiculous set of arguments. > >>>> If you're under a cost constraint, try to get a few used Cisco 2501. >>>> They're *much* more reliable than servers for this job (in my opinion >> >>And why do you think there are so many used ciscos for sale? :-) > >Why don't you tell us ;) 'cause they can't do what you really need to do, so you'll be selling them and buying something bigger shortly. what is IBM screeching about these days...scalability. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 17:26:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA16696 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:26:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com ([207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA16667 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:26:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zeus@nysingles.com) Received: from ntws ([207.252.1.19]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA02214 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:28:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980106202544.00922950@nysingles.com> X-Sender: zeus@nysingles.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:25:45 -0500 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Zeus Subject: DNS - subnet question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a reverse entry for subnetted class c addresses? ie: if a class C is subnetted for 4 different customers who all run their own name servers...what is the entry for each customer so they can reliably access each others nets... 14.17.208.IN-ADDR.ARPA filename covers the whole class c...how would the local nameservers know to go to other servers for specific subnets? zm From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 17:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA16713 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:26:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from limbo.rtfm.net (rtfm.net [204.141.125.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA16664 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:26:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nathan@limbo.rtfm.net) Received: (from nathan@localhost) by limbo.rtfm.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19679; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:25:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980106202514.10998@rtfm.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:25:14 -0500 From: Nathan Dorfman To: Alan Batie Cc: Greg Lehey , Tushar Patel , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How will I find the version number for sendmail References: <199801061945.NAA16260@ecpi.com> <19980107092435.56811@lemis.com> <19980106161957.49702@agora.rdrop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <19980106161957.49702@agora.rdrop.com>; from Alan Batie on Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 04:19:58PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk $ /usr/sbin/sendmail -d0.1 -bt < /dev/null Version 8.8.8 Compiled with: LOG MATCHGECOS MIME7TO8 MIME8TO7 NAMED_BIND NETINET NETUNIX NEWDB NIS QUEUE SCANF SMTP USERDB XDEBUG ============ SYSTEM IDENTITY (after readcf) ============ (short domain name) $w = limbo (canonical domain name) $j = limbo.rtfm.net (subdomain name) $m = rtfm.net (node name) $k = limbo ======================================================== ADDRESS TEST MODE (ruleset 3 NOT automatically invoked) Enter
So let it be written, so let it be done: _Sendmail, 2nd Ed._, Bryan Costales, O'Reilly and Associates a.k.a. The Bat Book. -- ________________ _______________________________ / Nathan Dorfman V PGP: finger nathan@rtfm.net / / nathan@rtfm.net | http://www.rtfm.net / / 15th Birthday, March 12, 1998: 62 days left / From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 17:29:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA17284 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:29:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from theonlynet.com (rock-08.theonlynet.com [206.29.203.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17251 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:29:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rricci@theonlynet.com) Received: from theonlynet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by theonlynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11707 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:42:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34B27AF7.FA2CF60F@theonlynet.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:41:59 -0700 From: Robert Ricci Organization: Kruton, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Giving users static IP adresses with pppd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have a terminal server we've built that uses cyclades cards and pppd to handle incoming calls. Right now, people dialing in get an IP adress based on which modem they happen to connect to. Is there a way to set up pppd so that it will give certain users their own IP? For example, I would get the IP adress 206.29.203.20 , no matter which modem I connect to? Thanks. Robert Ricci rricci@theonlynet.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 17:33:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA18034 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:33:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18017 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:33:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id UAA19765; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:32:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980106203244.17300@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:32:44 -0500 From: Norman C Rice To: Greg Lehey Cc: Tushar Patel , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How will I find the version number for sendmail References: <199801061945.NAA16260@ecpi.com> <19980107092435.56811@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <19980107092435.56811@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 09:24:35AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 09:24:35AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 01:45:53PM -0600, Tushar Patel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > How do I find the version number of the senmail we are running.? > > > > Man sendmail indicates we have sendmail 8, but it does not give me > > anything like 8.5 or 8.6 etc? > > > > We need to install the latest version of sendmail 8.8 so, we can take > > some measures againt spamer. > > Hmmm. ident should do it, but it doesn't. Try: > > $ strings /usr/sbin/sendmail | grep version.c > @(#)version.c 8.8.8.1 (Berkeley) 10/24/97 > > Maybe somebody else can come up with a more elegant method. > > Greg Well, I don't know if this is more elegant, but try sendmail -d0.1 < /dev/null -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 17:37:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA18858 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:37:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com ([207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18848 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:37:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com ([207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA02263; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:38:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980106204036.00a29740@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:40:37 -0500 To: "Tyson Boellstorff" , "MegaFred" From: dennis Subject: Re: ISP Conversion Cc: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E._Mu=F1oz=22?=" , "freebsd mailing list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:48 PM 1/6/98 -0600, Tyson Boellstorff wrote: >>> >>> this is so silly. Please read http://www.etinc.com/routers.htm for the >other >>> side of this ridiculous set of arguments. >> >>I'm reading this page, and can't really tell. Are you for or against the >>idea of custom-built PC routers? > > >I think that when each can be an appropriate tool in the appropriate >situation. I've used PC routers in the past with great success. I also use >them as centrally located places for network access tools. If the load gets >too heavy, I move the load off. Simple as that. I get really high loads, I >might go with Cisco, but then again, it all depends on how I'm setting >things up. Failure can affect many things, routers and PC's are no >exception. A lower MTBF can be compensated for. Plan carefully regardless of >how you route. A 25XX series with really heavy loads (particularly with 2 ethernets) is a much less capable box than a unix router, so what fuels that choice? Is it the company you are going with?...they have lots of different products. We're arguing about what's appropriate. PC routers are just are reliable as standalones when used only as a router, the question with a unix box is how much other server stuff (if any) do you put on it. db From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 17:39:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA19253 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:39:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19234 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:39:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25290; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:08:44 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA21635; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:08:44 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980107120844.29490@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:08:44 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Norman C Rice Cc: Tushar Patel , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How will I find the version number for sendmail References: <199801061945.NAA16260@ecpi.com> <19980107092435.56811@lemis.com> <19980106203244.17300@emu.sourcee.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980106203244.17300@emu.sourcee.com>; from Norman C Rice on Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 08:32:44PM -0500 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 08:32:44PM -0500, Norman C Rice wrote: > On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 09:24:35AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 01:45:53PM -0600, Tushar Patel wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> How do I find the version number of the senmail we are running.? >>> >>> Man sendmail indicates we have sendmail 8, but it does not give me >>> anything like 8.5 or 8.6 etc? >>> >>> We need to install the latest version of sendmail 8.8 so, we can take >>> some measures againt spamer. >> >> Hmmm. ident should do it, but it doesn't. Try: >> >> $ strings /usr/sbin/sendmail | grep version.c >> @(#)version.c 8.8.8.1 (Berkeley) 10/24/97 >> >> Maybe somebody else can come up with a more elegant method. >> >> Greg > > Well, I don't know if this is more elegant, but try > > sendmail -d0.1 < /dev/null Nice. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 18:03:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA22719 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:03:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [208.15.104.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA22713 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:03:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from arky.voltage.net (ArkyLady@arky.voltage.net [208.15.104.72]) by voltage.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA09542 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:59:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980106200031.007dc570@voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@voltage.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:00:31 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: Still trying to unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <19980106.194058.30366.1.SueCat@juno.com> References: <01BD1ABE.EE5B9650@nt-3.millstream.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 07:34 PM 1/6/98 -0500, Sue M MacNeil wrote: >Would someone please tell this jerk how to unsub so he stops filling my >mailbox with junk?? You'd think someone who was subbed to a list about >ISP software would have enough of a clue to know how to unsub himself! >I'm sorry to complain, but there's been too much junk on this list >lately. Why didn't you just tell him yourself? Surely since you're subscribed to this list you know how to unsubscribe correct? ;) Send an email to majordomo@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-isp in the body. Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 18:21:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA24512 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:21:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from land.willinet.net (land.willinet.net [198.49.30.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA24503 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:21:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tboellst@willinet.net) Received: (qmail 3381 invoked from network); 6 Jan 1998 20:20:28 -0600 Received: from ps73sux.willinet.net (HELO moe.splarg.org) (198.49.28.14) by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 1998 20:20:28 -0600 Message-ID: <00b401bd1b13$59fb1e40$02010c0a@moe.splarg.org> From: "Tyson Boellstorff" To: "MegaFred" , "dennis" Cc: "Luis E. Muñoz" , "freebsd mailing list" Subject: Re: ISP Conversion Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:24:14 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >A 25XX series with really heavy loads (particularly with 2 ethernets) is a >much >less capable box than a unix router, so what fuels that choice? Is it the >company >you are going with?...they have lots of different products. The company you're working with fuels that choice. If I walk into an outfit and see 25 Cisco routers in operation, I am not likely to start a spiel about how much better PC's are (unless asked). Training & support costs at that point dictate that I just add another Cisco, and go away, mumbling. If they tell me that they want to have me design their net, now that's a different matter entirely. I get very frustrated when I talk to people who throw everything out the window just because the current consultant hated his predecessor's products, and manipulated an easily swayed customer into wasting cash by the barrel. I certainly do say that you should use what a significant percentage of other users are using. That's the dog tail theory: If you're a member of a tiny tail, you have no chance to wag the support dog. If you manipulate your hardware into what the support people are familiar with, odds are that you will not experience some of the weird problems I have inherited at my current job. Just like with Unix, if you use standard building blocks, you find you have no limits (except those imposed by poor network planning). The question then is how standard can you be and stilll get performance. Also, bear in mind how large the hardware vendor is in relation to their chosen market. The FX chipset is not better than the HX even though the FX sells better. See what percentage of servers are HX machines, and the proportions change dramatically. There is a human factor we all deal with. If you acknowledge it, you will find that some choices are made for you. If you don't, your users will be frustrated. I have never had a problem telling my customers my product's limits. They seem to find it refreshing. In addition, they are much more likely to buy from me, because they get candid information from me. If I were to swear that every product I sold was the best in the land, I would not be believed, and I would create an adversarial relationship. > >We're arguing about what's appropriate. PC routers are just are reliable as >standalones when used only as a router, the question with a unix box is >how much other server stuff (if any) do you put on it. > Well... The problem is that you have this attractive box just sitting there with 3% utilization. Something gets "temporarily" added to it, and it stays there forever. The best way around that is having a plan and sticking with it. I have two RS6000's at work, but I will not load perl on either, for that reason alone. I will get another box, because the beauty of PC's is that they are cheap and extremely reliable if you configure them correctly. My boss is cool on this, because we have already inherited many problems that "happened" when we grew too large to conveniently extricate ourselves from poorly placed applications. I say to advise them that while they _can_ add apps to their PC router, they should not if they ever plan on growing for the above reasons. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 19:04:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA28049 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:04:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mars.abcinternet.net (drow@mars.abcinternet.net [205.216.244.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA28044 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:04:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drow@drow.net) Received: from localhost (drow@localhost) by mars.abcinternet.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01071; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:02:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:02:44 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Jacobowitz X-Sender: drow@mars.abcinternet.net To: Zeus cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DNS - subnet question In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980106202544.00922950@nysingles.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Essentially, you can't. What you have to do is specify each individual delegated IP witha NS record and have each IP its own zone with its own SOA on the delagee (must be a better word than that....) There may be a better way in the latest bind 8.x, although I do not think so. DNS is not fond of arbitrary subnets. On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Zeus wrote: > > Is there a reverse entry for subnetted class c addresses? > > ie: if a class C is subnetted for 4 different customers who all run > their own name servers...what is the entry for each customer so > they can reliably access each others nets... > > 14.17.208.IN-ADDR.ARPA filename > > covers the whole class c...how would the local nameservers > know to go to other servers for specific subnets? > > zm > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 19:36:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA01385 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:36:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA01371 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:36:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id DAA20151; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 03:36:10 GMT Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:36:09 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Zeus cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS - subnet question In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980106202544.00922950@nysingles.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Zeus wrote: > ie: if a class C is subnetted for 4 different customers who all run > their own name servers...what is the entry for each customer so > they can reliably access each others nets... See http://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsind-classless-inaddr-03.txt Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 19:40:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA01917 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:40:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA01886 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA21834; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:02:45 GMT Message-ID: <34B1BAEF.76340760@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 05:02:42 +0000 From: Ruslan Shevchenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zeus CC: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS - subnet question References: <3.0.32.19980106202544.00922950@nysingles.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------564A53704317322862423252" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --------------564A53704317322862423252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zeus wrote: > Is there a reverse entry for subnetted class c addresses? > > ie: if a class C is subnetted for 4 different customers who all run > their own name servers...what is the entry for each customer so > they can reliably access each others nets... > > 14.17.208.IN-ADDR.ARPA filename > > covers the whole class c...how would the local nameservers > know to go to other servers for specific subnets? > "Classless IN-ADDR.ARPA delegation"( ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsind-classless-inaddr-03.txt ) It is not yet standart (few month ago, now I don't know). Good primer in DNS FAQ. (comp.protocols.dns) Another common practic is simply insert such parts in rev zone of provider. > zm -- @= //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA --------------564A53704317322862423252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zeus wrote:
Is there a reverse entry for subnetted class c addresses?

ie: if a class C is subnetted for 4 different customers who all run
their own name servers...what is the entry for each customer so
they can reliably access each others nets...

14.17.208.IN-ADDR.ARPA   filename

covers the whole class c...how would the local nameservers
know to go to other servers for specific subnets?
 

  "Classless IN-ADDR.ARPA delegation"(
ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsind-classless-inaddr-03.txt
)

It is not yet standart  (few month ago, now I don't know).

Good primer in DNS FAQ.  (comp.protocols.dns)

Another common practic is simply insert such parts in rev zone of provider.
 

zm

  
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    @=                                   
     //RSSH                              mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA
  --------------564A53704317322862423252-- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 19:42:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA02073 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:42:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from xenu.denverweb.net (xenu.denverweb.net [199.45.153.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02065 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:42:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bminazzi@w3page.com) Received: from orion (blaine@sdn-ts-067txfwoRP15.dialsprint.net [206.133.156.82]) by xenu.denverweb.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA23357 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:43:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34B2F9A0.647F69DB@w3page.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:42:24 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Conversion References: <00b401bd1b13$59fb1e40$02010c0a@moe.splarg.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well... The problem is that you have this attractive box just sitting there > with 3% utilization. Something gets "temporarily" added to it, and it stays > there forever. The best way around that is having a plan and sticking with > it. I have two RS6000's at work, but I will not load perl on either, for > that reason alone. I will get another box, because the beauty of PC's is > that they are cheap and extremely reliable if you configure them correctly. > My boss is cool on this, because we have already inherited many problems > that "happened" when we grew too large to conveniently extricate ourselves > from poorly placed applications. > > I say to advise them that while they _can_ add apps to their PC router, they > should not if they ever plan on growing for the above reasons. I see similar situations all the time with PC's. Set one up to handle a specific task, and off load the work from some other machines or network, and some know it all comes along and decides that we can use machine XXX, since _ALL_ it is doing is thus and thus.... That, or some bean counter who does not know beans about technical or reliability issues.... They can SAVE ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS! ( we won't even get into what that kind of thinking ends up costing them in the long run. ) So, the real problem is usually people who dont know a burrow from a Burro. :-) All you can do at times is smile and shake your head, hoping that someone, someday, will invent a pill, and be thankfull if you get paid by the hour. Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 20:00:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA03935 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA03911 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:00:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03999; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:59:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:59:29 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Robert Ricci cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Giving users static IP adresses with pppd In-Reply-To: <34B27AF7.FA2CF60F@theonlynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Robert Ricci wrote: > We have a terminal server we've built that uses cyclades cards and pppd > to handle incoming calls. Right now, people dialing in get an IP adress > based on which modem they happen to connect to. Is there a way to set up > pppd so that it will give certain users their own IP? For example, I > would get the IP adress 206.29.203.20 , no matter which modem I connect Get ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/pppkit.tgz and look at ppplogin.sh for scripted login style static IPs. For autoppp getty detection add entries like the following to /etc/ppp/pap-secrets danny * "" 192.168.1.2 * * "" Note that the * * "" entry needs to be last in the file. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 20:09:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA04535 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:09:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA04528 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:09:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts1-cltnc-56.cetlink.net [209.54.58.56]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA03386; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:09:09 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: Robert Ricci Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Giving users static IP adresses with pppd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 05:09:57 GMT Message-ID: <34b60d4c.6275126@mail.cetlink.net> References: <34B27AF7.FA2CF60F@theonlynet.com> In-Reply-To: <34B27AF7.FA2CF60F@theonlynet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id UAA04530 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:41:59 -0700, Robert Ricci wrote: >We have a terminal server we've built that uses cyclades cards and pppd >to handle incoming calls. Right now, people dialing in get an IP adress >based on which modem they happen to connect to. Is there a way to set up >pppd so that it will give certain users their own IP? For example, I >would get the IP adress 206.29.203.20 , no matter which modem I connect >to? >Thanks. > >Robert Ricci >rricci@theonlynet.com > place a .ppprc file in each user's home directory containing xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy # ip's of local and remote hosts where: xx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP address of the server (the FreeBSD machine) yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy is the IP address of this user For either of the above the user's (client) ppp MUST be set up to negotiate a dynamic IP address. Implementation of this varies from client to client, but usually it involves setting 0.0.0.0 in the client's PPP setup. (From Doug White's web page http://resnet.uoregon.edu/ppp/) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 20:16:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA05227 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:16:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA05218 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:16:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04051; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:15:59 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:15:58 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Dan Jacobowitz cc: Zeus , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DNS - subnet question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Dan Jacobowitz wrote: > Essentially, you can't. > > What you have to do is specify each individual delegated IP witha NS > record and have each IP its own zone with its own SOA on the delagee (must > be a better word than that....) No, you can do it with CNAMEs $ORIGIN 12.168.192.in-addr.arpa. 8 IN NS ns.customer.net. 8 IN NS ns.isp.net. 9 IN CNAME 9.8 10 IN CNAME 10.8 11 IN CNAME 11.8 12 IN CNAME 12.8 13 IN CNAME 13.8 14 IN CNAME 14.8 Delegate 8.12.168.192.in-addr.arpa to the customer and have them maintain a file like: $ORIGIN 8.12.168.192.in-addr.arpa. IN NS ns.customer.net. IN NS ns.isp.net. 9 IN PTR host1.customer.net. 10 IN PTR host2.customer.net. With appropriate SOA etc. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 21:51:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA13916 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:51:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from email.polaccess.com (polaccess.com [205.166.42.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA13904 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:51:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webmaster@polaccess.com) Received: from [205.166.42.125] by email.polaccess.com (SMTPD32-3.03) id A0D9F04C015C; Sat, 06 Sep 1997 23:43:05 -0500 Message-ID: <34B31606.7110@polaccess.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 23:43:34 -0600 From: Marcin Pasek Reply-To: webmaster@polaccess.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FREEBSD and Windows NT... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I know there is a pice of software that will allow file sharing with WINDOWS system but was someone fully sucesfull in setting up such a system...I am looking for a pointers ar software that would allow me to do so... Thanks Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 22:41:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA17246 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:41:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from theonlynet.com (rock-31.theonlynet.com [206.29.203.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA17219 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:41:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rricci@theonlynet.com) Received: from theonlynet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by theonlynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00691; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:44:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34B32435.DD3B321@theonlynet.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 23:44:05 -0700 From: Robert Ricci Organization: Kruton, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" CC: freebsd-isp@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: Giving users static IP adresses with pppd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Robert Ricci wrote: > > > We have a terminal server we've built that uses cyclades cards and pppd > > to handle incoming calls. Right now, people dialing in get an IP adress > > based on which modem they happen to connect to. Is there a way to set up > > pppd so that it will give certain users their own IP? For example, I > > would get the IP adress 206.29.203.20 , no matter which modem I connect > > Get ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/pppkit.tgz and look at ppplogin.sh for > scripted login style static IPs. > > For autoppp getty detection add entries like the following to > /etc/ppp/pap-secrets > > danny * "" 192.168.1.2 > * * "" > > Note that the * * "" entry needs to be last in the file. > > Danny Hmm... It doesn't seem to be working for me. After creating the pap-secrets file on our server with the following in it: rricci * "" 206.29.203.20 * * "" I can't connect correctly using ijppp. ppp dials, connects, gives me an IP address (not the one I had asked for), and disconnects without giving me time to do anything! Logging on under any other username still works correctly. Here's what shows up in the ppp log on my machine: Jan 6 23:05:08 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: Using interface: tun0 Jan 6 23:05:08 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: PPP Started. Jan 6 23:05:12 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: Connected! Jan 6 23:05:12 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: Phone: 93557788 Jan 6 23:05:37 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: NewPhase: Authenticate Jan 6 23:05:37 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: his = PAP, mine = none Jan 6 23:05:37 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: PAP: rricci Jan 6 23:05:37 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: PapInput: ACK Jan 6 23:05:37 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: Received PAP_ACK (Login ok) Jan 6 23:05:37 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: NewPhase: Network Jan 6 23:05:37 deepthought ppp[16989]: Link: myaddr = 206.29.203.196 hisaddr = 206.29.203.164 Jan 6 23:05:37 deepthought ppp[16989]: Link: OsLinkup: 206.29.203.164 Jan 6 23:05:40 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: NewPhase: Terminate Jan 6 23:05:40 deepthought ppp[16989]: Link: OsLinkdown: 206.29.203.164 Jan 6 23:05:40 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: NewPhase: Terminate Jan 6 23:05:41 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: Modem: Connect time: 29 secs: 344 octets in, 399 octets out Jan 6 23:05:41 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: total 25 bytes/sec Jan 6 23:05:41 deepthought ppp[16989]: Phase: NewPhase: Dead On the server, we have an options file for each modem. For example, options.ttyc00 contains the line 206.29.203.133:206.29.203.165 . Is this interfering with the IP address I put in pap-secrets? Can I stop it from doing so? (Putting a .ppprc file in each user's directory is not an option - I only want to give select users their own IP.) Any ideas? Thanks. Robert Ricci rricci@theonlynet.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 6 22:55:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA18216 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:55:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA18194 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:55:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04490; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:55:23 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:55:22 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Robert Ricci cc: freebsd-isp@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: Giving users static IP adresses with pppd In-Reply-To: <34B32435.DD3B321@theonlynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Robert, On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Robert Ricci wrote: > > For autoppp getty detection add entries like the following to > > /etc/ppp/pap-secrets > > > > danny * "" 192.168.1.2 > > * * "" > > > > Note that the * * "" entry needs to be last in the file. > > Hmm... It doesn't seem to be working for me. After creating the > pap-secrets file on our server with the following in it: > > rricci * "" 206.29.203.20 > * * "" eerrk! Mea culpa. You should specify localipaddr:remoteipaddr (from the terminal server's point of view). Leave out the localipaddr to use the default, but you must put in the colon. So... > rricci * "" :206.29.203.20 > * * "" Sorry about that. cheers, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 00:00:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA24317 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:00:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA24311; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:00:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08854; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:00:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801070800.AAA08854@implode.root.com> To: Dave Smith cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remote power cycle In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Jan 1998 23:05:59 PST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 00:00:05 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >together for me so I can set it up. I hope it works. I scoured the list >and it was either Digiboard (or whatever it is called, starts with Digi) >or Cyclades. I use a Cyclades ISA multiport here to connect to my various development machines, but the Digiboard should work nicely as well. >> a laptop. The remote console machine also has an internal modem that I hacked >> to function as a reset switch whenever it goes off hook to dial - I use this >> to reset wcarchive if necessary. I have a watchdog process running on the >> remote console which pings wcarchive every minute or so, and if the pings >> start failing, wcarchive is automatically reset (I have a kermit dialout >> script for this :-)). >> ... > >This I do not do, and I would like to know more about the watchdog process >and how you do the auto reset. And how did you hack an internal modem to >act as a reset switch? It was quite easy for me to do, but the level of difficulty will depend on your ability to use a soldering iron and knowledge of electronics. What I did was reconfigure the hook relay so that the switch simply shorts the tip/ring wires rather than connect them to the isolation transformer. It took about 10 minutes, most of which was trying to figure out where the traces ran on the multilayer circuit board. Configured this way, I just plug a regular RJ11 modular cable in as the 'phone line', with the other end of the cable hooked up to the reset contacts on wcarchive's motherboard (actually, it's wired in parallel with the reset switch so that it can be manually reset as well). >Pings would be difficult for me because of our configuration it looks like >machines are up all the time. We use a product called BigIP from >f5.com. It does fancy load-balancing like the Cisco LocalDirector. > >However some sort of ping to port 23 would work for me. Hmmm. Can you configure the thing to pass ICMP echo request/reply through to the real host? If not, then you'd need to write something to do a TCP or UDP test on a special port. In any case, my script on the remote console is: (Warning: I'm not a shell programmer! Looking at the following my cause permanent brain damage! :-)) .......the watchdog #!/bin/sh while true ; do if (! ping -s 8 -c 1 165.113.121.81 > /dev/null 2>&1) && (! ping -s 8 -c 1 165.113.121.81 > /dev/null 2>&1) && (! ping -s 8 -c 1 165.113.121.81 > /dev/null 2>&1) && (! ping -s 8 -c 15 165.113.121.81 > /dev/null 2>&1) && (ping -s 8 -c 5 165.113.121.82 > /dev/null 2>&1) && (! ping -s 8 -c 5 165.113.121.81 > /dev/null 2>&1) ; then ./resetwc-wait ; fi sleep 60 done .......resetwc-wait #!/bin/sh echo `date` Resetting wcarchive >> log kermit reset.kerm < /dev/null > /dev/null sleep 900 .......and the kermit script, reset.kerm set line /dev/cuaa2 set modem hayes dial 1 ....... ...this is a hack, of course. The idea is to attempt several single pings so that packet loss and short term (a few second) network problems don't result in a machine reset. The second to last ping command on the .82 address was added recently: it's the IP address of the Cisco on the other end of the fast ethernet cable. I was having a problem with wcarchive getting reset every time our ISP rebooted their router (rare, but it happened more than once in the last 2 years)...so now I make sure that the remote console gets a response from the router before assuming that wcarchive is down. Ideally, I'd have the remote console and wcarchive connect to a switch and not involve any other hardware; this is planned in the future. After resetting the machine, it waits 15 minutes before resuming the watchdog - this gives the machine plenty of time to do filesystem checks and come back online. Of course, I have to disable the watchdog whenever I want to reboot the machine for maintanence purposes. >> It's never been necessary to power cycle the machine, and considering how >> much hardware is involved, that's a good thing. :-) > >I know it is a bad thing. I could only think of a good swift power cycle >when machines are not responding. I understand. I've actually had a fair number of problems getting all the hardware up to speed after a power failure, so reset is definately prefered over power cycling if it can be arranged. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 01:11:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA04455 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:11:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from r1.boston.juno.com (r1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA04450 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:11:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from suecat@juno.com) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by r1.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id WAAAA22802 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from suecat@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id W]I25501; Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:12:39 EST To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:14:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Still trying to unsubscribe Message-ID: <19980106.221442.19358.0.SueCat@juno.com> References: <199801062047.UAA01450@aenima.unixgeeks.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,8 From: suecat@juno.com (Sue M MacNeil) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk EXCUSE ME.... But I would have told him had *I* known myself. So go jump down someone elses throat. Unlike most of you, I have to PAY for the phone call to get my e-mail. Every piece of junk I'm forced to download costs me money. -Sue- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 05:00:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA23529 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 05:00:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from intra.vafibre.com ([205.139.223.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA23450 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:59:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbrown@vafibre.com) Received: from IS01 by intra.vafibre.com (Unoverica 2.11a) id 00001C01; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:00:31 -0500 Received: by IS01 with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1B41.1F75A5F0@IS01>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:51:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1B41.1F75A5F0@IS01> From: John Brown To: "'webmaster@polaccess.com'" , "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: FREEBSD and Windows NT... Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:51:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id FAA23517 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk SAMBA Will allow this connection...It's in the ports. I have used it to transfer files between the two and share netbios printers to the Unix a few times. -----Original Message----- From: Marcin Pasek [SMTP:webmaster@polaccess.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 12:44 AM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: FREEBSD and Windows NT... I know there is a pice of software that will allow file sharing with WINDOWS system but was someone fully sucesfull in setting up such a system...I am looking for a pointers ar software that would allow me to do so... Thanks Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 05:17:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA24446 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 05:17:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA24437 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 05:17:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pantzer@brother.ludd.luth.se) Received: from brother.ludd.luth.se (pantzer@brother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.78]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08519; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:16:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199801071316.OAA08519@zed.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Jan 1998 23:11:15 -0400." <3.0.5.32.19980104231115.0085f740@pop.cantv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:16:10 +0100 From: Mattias Pantzare Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If we get a high end server, for instance, an Alpha Server, we > get a PCI bus (same bus on high end PC servers, probably at the > same speed?). Sun is also in the works for a PCI Ultra (or so > have I heard). No, not the same speed. They use 64Mhz 64 bit PCI buss (and usualy some slots that are 33Mhz), that is 4 times faster. Plus the internal busses are faster. The bigger boxes has not one PCI buss, but several. Sun Enterprise 450 has 6 PCI busses... > Some high end workstations use 70ns memory, the same (or even slower) And often uses interleaving to get the speed up. If you realy need the speed, that is a diffrent thing. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 06:34:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA03763 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:34:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from skyserv.med.osd.mil (skyserv.med.osd.mil [199.209.8.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA03755 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:34:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpotts@med.osd.mil) Received: from (ae1970.med.osd.mil [161.14.168.22]) by skyserv.med.osd.mil (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id JAA14182; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:33:50 -0500 From: "Ross Potts" Message-Id: <9801070933.ZM7575@unknown.zmail.host> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:33:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: suecat@juno.com (Sue M MacNeil) "Re: Still trying to unsubscribe" (Jan 6, 10:14pm) References: <199801062047.UAA01450@aenima.unixgeeks.net> <19980106.221442.19358.0.SueCat@juno.com> X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: suecat@juno.com (Sue M MacNeil) Subject: Re: Still trying to unsubscribe Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Everyone gets a full set of instructions as the first reply from from majordomo -- UNIX Rules!!! Ross Potts Internet : Ross.Potts@med.osd.mil EDS-D/SIDDOMS Phone : (703) 824-7601 Skyline Two, Suite 1200 Beeper : 5203 Leesburg Pike, Falls Church, VA 22041 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 06:52:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA05122 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:52:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from didda.est.is (didda.est.is [194.144.208.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA05085; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:52:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from totii@est.is) Received: from est.is (didda.est.is [192.168.255.1]) by didda.est.is (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00432; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:51:12 GMT (envelope-from totii@est.is) Message-ID: <34B3965F.3B7592E2@est.is> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:51:11 +0000 From: "Þorður Ivarsson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dg@root.com CC: Dave Smith , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote power cycle References: <199801070800.AAA08854@implode.root.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Greenman wrote: > It was quite easy for me to do, but the level of difficulty will depend > on your ability to use a soldering iron and knowledge of electronics. What > I did was reconfigure the hook relay so that the switch simply shorts the > tip/ring wires rather than connect them to the isolation transformer. It Small advice on modems to use! Many of the newer modems do have 'solid state' switching and the tend to not work! Find modem with large relay on and you should just short the transformer at the line side. > took about 10 minutes, most of which was trying to figure out where the > traces ran on the multilayer circuit board. Configured this way, I just plug > a regular RJ11 modular cable in as the 'phone line', with the other end of > the cable hooked up to the reset contacts on wcarchive's motherboard > (actually, it's wired in parallel with the reset switch so that it can > be manually reset as well). -- Þórður Ívarsson Thordur Ivarsson Rafeindavirki Electronic technician Norðurgötu 30 Nordurgotu 30 Box 309 Box 309 602 Akureyri 602 Akureyri Ísland Iceland --------------------------------------------- FreeBSD has good features, Some others are full of unwanted features! --------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 08:55:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA14510 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:55:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from theonlynet.com (rock-24.theonlynet.com [206.29.203.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14455 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:54:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rricci@theonlynet.com) Received: from theonlynet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by theonlynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04692; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:56:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34B3B3CA.80571CDD@theonlynet.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 09:56:42 -0700 From: Robert Ricci Organization: Kruton, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Giving users static IP adresses with pppd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: * "" > > eerrk! Mea culpa. You should specify localipaddr:remoteipaddr (from the > terminal server's point of view). Leave out the localipaddr to use the > default, but you must put in the colon. So... > > > rricci * "" :206.29.203.20 > > * * "" > > Sorry about that. > > cheers, > > Danny Hmm..... same result as before. What I believe pppd is doing with this line is not allowing me to connect unless my IP is 206.29.203.20. Any more ideas? BTW: Here's the server's /etc/ppp/options file, in case it makes a difference: crtscts modem proxyarp defaultroute dns1 206.29.203.3 domain theonlynet.com kdebug 0 auth -chap +pap login passive silent asyncmap 000a0000 pap-timeout 30 Robert Ricci rricci@theonlynet.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 09:12:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA16134 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:12:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com (q6UkSfDW1FNn9fqgJ3vgQKL3cjNswyR6@link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA16123 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:12:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khetan@link.freebsd.os.org.za) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA04208; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:12:01 +0200 (SAT) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:12:01 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar X-Sender: khetan@link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: Mark Segal cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ifconfig & 2nd IP address - weird... In-Reply-To: <34B255C6.F4160FE8@club-web.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Mark Segal wrote: >> I'd not seen this mentioned anywhere - or if I did it must have been long >> forgotten... >> >It's a bug in freebsd (not sure if it has been documented.. but it's >just past on :).. every aliased ip after the first one has to have a >netmask of 255.255.255.255 (or 0xffffffff)... I simply add to rc.local route add ip.add.re.ss -interface lo0 Is there something inherently wrong in that ? --- Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) khetan@iafrica.com (w); khetan@os.org.za (h) http://www.os.org.za/~khetan | Finger: khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za UUNET Internet Africa Support | FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org The system requirements said Windows 95 or better; so I installed FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 10:13:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA23569 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:13:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from monet.artisan.calpoly.edu (jheywood@monet.artisan.calpoly.edu [129.65.60.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23552 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jheywood@polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu) Received: from localhost (jheywood@localhost) by monet.artisan.calpoly.edu with SMTP (8.8.6/8.7.1) id KAA00759 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:13:13 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: monet.artisan.calpoly.edu: jheywood owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:13:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Lynn Heywood X-Sender: jheywood@monet.artisan.calpoly.edu To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still trying to unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Sue M MacNeil wrote: > > EXCUSE ME.... > > But I would have told him had *I* known myself. So go jump down > someone elses throat. Unlike most of you, I have to PAY for the phone > call to get my e-mail. Every piece of junk I'm forced to download costs > me money. > > > -Sue- > > BOO HOO. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 10:13:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA23598 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:13:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from terror.hungry.com (fn@terror.hungry.com [169.131.1.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23591 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:13:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fn@LISP-READER.Hungry.COM) Received: (from fn@localhost) by terror.hungry.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA10478; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:13:46 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still trying to unsubscribe References: <199801062047.UAA01450@aenima.unixgeeks.net> <19980106.221442.19358.0.SueCat@juno.com> From: Faried Nawaz Date: 07 Jan 1998 10:13:46 -0800 In-Reply-To: suecat@juno.com's message of 7 Jan 1998 01:50:31 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk suecat@juno.com (Sue M MacNeil) writes: EXCUSE ME.... But I would have told him had *I* known myself. "You'd think someone who was subbed to a list about ISP software would have enough of a clue to know how to unsub himself!" From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 10:44:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA26628 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:44:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA26621 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:44:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA23835; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:44:30 GMT Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:44:29 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Khetan Gajjar cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ifconfig & 2nd IP address - weird... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Khetan Gajjar wrote: > I simply add to rc.local > route add ip.add.re.ss -interface lo0 > > Is there something inherently wrong in that ? No, but you also need to manually add an arp entry when the alias is added to lo0 instead of an enet interface. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 10:53:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA27305 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:53:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from gonzo.tbf.net (gonzo.tbf.net [204.112.101.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA27259 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:52:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgunkel@gonzo.tbf.net) Received: (from jgunkel@localhost) by gonzo.tbf.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01280; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:52:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:52:38 -0600 (CST) From: "John O. Gunkel" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: some apparently obvious stuff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A friend of mine told me that the little (read overly coded and terse) goodbye note that I dropped to my friends on the list was thought of as an attempt to unsubscribe, so here's one that's a bit more *obvious*: Iv'e loved subscribing to (read lurking on) this list for the past while. It's informative, entertaining, and on overall great resource. I would love to see this list "Digested" or archived somewhere. Perhaps later when there is a bit more time in my schedule, I might even volunteer some space on this server and some of my time for it. But until then, I won't have time to go through the (at times) 40 or so posts/day and hope that when I do, noone will object to me subscribing to this list again. If someone has allready started on an archive of whatever sorts and is interested in some more space or wants to share ideas or just tell me it's allready been done, you can get ahold of me via e-mail ttyl, John. |------------------------------------------------------------| |John O. Gunkel | FreeBSD 2.2.1 | |jgunkel@tbf.net | UNIX for the masses | |System Administrator | | |The Business Factory | Another day closer to a | |http://www.tbf.net | Micro$oft free world | |------------------------------------------------------------| From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 11:38:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA02059 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:38:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [208.15.104.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA01980 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:37:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from voltage (ppp8.voltage.net [208.15.104.80]) by voltage.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA16365 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:33:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980107134108.006c152c@mail.voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@mail.voltage.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:41:10 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: Still trying to unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:14 PM 1/6/98 -0500, Sue M MacNeil wrote: >EXCUSE ME.... > > But I would have told him had *I* known myself. So go jump down >someone elses throat. You're the one who was jumping down that poor guys throat, I merely felt compelled to point out the irony in your statements considering the fact you obviously didn't know how to unsub either or surely you would have told him how in the first place :) >Unlike most of you, I have to PAY for the phone call to get my e-mail. Every >piece of junk I'm forced to download costs me money. That's unfortunate ... but fear no more, if the telcos get their way *everyone* will be paying extra for their online time! http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,17860,00.html?dtn.head http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Public_Notices/1998/da980002.html Susie From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 11:42:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA02560 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:42:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bert.club-web.com (bert.club-web.com [207.176.196.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA02494 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:41:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@club-web.com) Received: from club-web.com (ernie.club-web.com [207.176.196.12]) by bert.club-web.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27041; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:45:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B3DD37.A05F34F2@club-web.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:53:27 -0500 From: Mark Segal Organization: Club-Web Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: webmaster@polaccess.com, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FREEBSD and Windows NT... References: <34B31606.7110@polaccess.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Marcin Pasek wrote: > > I know there is a pice of software that will allow file sharing with > WINDOWS system but was someone fully sucesfull in setting up such a > system...I am looking for a pointers ar software that would allow me to > do so... samba... (it's in the packages/ports collection) mark -- Mark Segal mark@club-web.com System Administrator - Club-Web Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 12:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA09299 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:57:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from chain.freebsd.os.org.za (iHSrXRNO4OjpiXUTU/Gg+LEWo/PjF6Xb@chain.freebsd.os.org.za [196.7.74.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09276 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:57:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain.freebsd.os.org.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01730; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:56:45 +0200 (SAT) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:56:44 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar X-Sender: khetan@chain Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: Dan Busarow cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ifconfig & 2nd IP address - weird... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Dan Busarow wrote: >> Is there something inherently wrong in that ? > >No, but you also need to manually add an arp entry when the alias >is added to lo0 instead of an enet interface. I've never had to do that, and it appears to work fine. --- Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) khetan@iafrica.com (w); khetan@os.org.za (h) http://www.os.org.za/~khetan | Finger: khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za UUNET Internet Africa Support | FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org The system requirements said Windows 95 or better; so I installed FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 13:23:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA11782 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:23:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from zen.triax.com (mfred@zen.triax.com [206.58.96.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA11758 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:23:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mfred@zen.triax.com) Received: from localhost (mfred@localhost) by zen.triax.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA07982; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:24:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:24:26 -0800 (PST) From: MegaFred To: Marcin Pasek cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FREEBSD and Windows NT... In-Reply-To: <34B31606.7110@polaccess.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I know there is a pice of software that will allow file sharing with > WINDOWS system but was someone fully sucesfull in setting up such a > system...I am looking for a pointers ar software that would allow me to > do so... Look into samba.. comes with FreeBSD. If you installed it, just edit /etc/smb.conf. Joe From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 13:27:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA12098 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:27:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from tao.agoron.com (root@tao.agoron.com [206.181.233.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA11994; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:26:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc@bythehand.net) Received: from bc (rem23.agoron.com [207.86.97.154]) by tao.agoron.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA06530; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:25:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B3F2E1.56ED@bythehand.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:25:53 -0500 From: "Bernard J. Courtney" Reply-To: bc@bythehand.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, I am installing a mail server on my FreeBSD 2.2.1 box, and have done the following: 1. edit the /etc/group file with pico and adding the following qmail:*:2107: nofiles:*:2108: 2. then I used vipw to edit the passwd. file and added the following to that: alias:*:7790:2108::/var/qmail/alias:/bin/true qmaild:*:7791:2108::/var/qmail:/bin/true qmaill:*:7792:2108::/var/qmail:/bin/true qmailp:*:7793:2108::/var/qmail:/bin/true qmailq:*:7794:2107::/var/qmail:/bin/true qmailr:*:7795:2107::/var/qmail:/bin/true qmails:*:7796:2107::/var/qmail:/bin/true Then I get this error: "/etc/pw.010045" 26 lines, 1546 characters vipw: rebuilding the database... pwd_mkdb: corrupted entry pwd_mkdb: at line #20 pwd_mkdb: /etc/pw.010045: Inappropriate file type or format re-edit the password file? [y]: The line 20 that is refered to would be the line above that was added that read alias, and is the beginning of where the changes started. What am I doing wrong? Please respond via e-mail as I am NOT currently on the list. Thanks In advance, Bernard Courtney From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 14:22:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA18119 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:22:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from limbo.rtfm.net (nathan@rtfm.net [204.141.125.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18056 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:22:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nathan@limbo.rtfm.net) Received: (from nathan@localhost) by limbo.rtfm.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21752; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:21:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980107172119.29535@rtfm.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:21:19 -0500 From: Nathan Dorfman To: Susie Ward Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Still trying to unsubscribe References: <3.0.32.19980107134108.006c152c@mail.voltage.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980107134108.006c152c@mail.voltage.net>; from Susie Ward on Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 01:41:10PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 01:41:10PM -0600, Susie Ward wrote: > At 10:14 PM 1/6/98 -0500, Sue M MacNeil wrote: > >EXCUSE ME.... > > > > But I would have told him had *I* known myself. So go jump down > >someone elses throat. > > You're the one who was jumping down that poor guys throat, I merely felt > compelled to point out the irony in your statements considering the fact > you obviously didn't know how to unsub either or surely you would have told > him how in the first place :) > > >Unlike most of you, I have to PAY for the phone call to get my e-mail. > Every >piece of junk I'm forced to download costs me money. > > That's unfortunate ... but fear no more, if the telcos get their way > *everyone* will be paying extra for their online time! > > http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,17860,00.html?dtn.head > > http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Public_Notices/1998/da980002.html > > Susie This really needs to be taken somewhere else. *Speaking* of filling mailboxes with junk. -- ________________ _______________________________ / Nathan Dorfman V PGP: finger nathan@rtfm.net / / nathan@rtfm.net | http://www.rtfm.net / From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 14:28:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA18766 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:28:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from uranus.intrastar.net (jsuter@uranus.intrastar.net [206.136.25.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18628 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:27:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jsuter@uranus.intrastar.net) Received: from localhost (jsuter@localhost) by uranus.intrastar.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA16938; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:26:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jsuter@uranus.intrastar.net) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:26:27 -0600 (CST) From: Jacob Suter To: Ronald Wiplinger cc: List linux-isp , FreeBSD-isp , dennis Subject: Re: ETINC and their support In-Reply-To: <199801021616.AAA08703@mail.trace.com.tw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The question is, what did YOU say to piss him off? Dennis is a very smart and level headed person, just don't go out of your way to piss him off. JS On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== > >Received: by mail for ronald > > (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Sat Jan 3 00:13:17 1998) > >X-From_: dennis@etinc.com Sat Jan 3 00:04:44 1998 > >Return-Path: > >Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) > > by mail.trace.com.tw (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP > > id AAA08608 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:04:29 +0800 > >X-Comments: ****** Message sent through an Trace acount ****** > >X-http: ****** http://www.trace.com.tw ****** > >Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP > id LAA17535 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:08:45 -0500 (EST) > >Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980102110950.00ec06e0@etinc.com> > >X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com > >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) > >Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:09:51 -0500 > >To: "Ronald Wiplinger" > >From: dennis > >Subject: Re: [et-users] MIB database for etinc cards? > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > You've pretty much stepped over the line, and since support is not > required by any agreement we have, you're on your own from now > on. > > Dennis > > > ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== > > > bye > > Ronald Wiplinger > Gen. Manager of Wang's Trace International Co., Ltd. (Taiwan: Taipei, Touyuan, Kaohsiung) > Tel: +886 2 609-0652, Handy: +886 932 251430 Fax: +886 2 600-0132 > http://www.trace.com.tw > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 15:23:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA23729 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:23:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from uranus.intrastar.net (jsuter@uranus.intrastar.net [206.136.25.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23704 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:22:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jsuter@uranus.intrastar.net) Received: from localhost (jsuter@localhost) by uranus.intrastar.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA17029; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:25:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jsuter@uranus.intrastar.net) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:25:29 -0600 (CST) From: Jacob Suter To: Lukas Wunner cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <19980104141146.32430@reactor> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My suggestion would be to look at an SGI Origin 200/2000 or Sun U2 box > instead of a PC box running FreeBSD. We have experienced severe problems > with PCs wrt expandability/scalability. E.g., we currently have 256MB of > RAM in our news box but would love to go to 512MB, but the motherboard > is not capable of doing that although the documentation and the webpages > state the contrary (it's a Tyan Tomcat III or IV). If you want to go to > something like 1GB or 2GB of RAM, you're stuck with a PC. The only I've seen 1GB ram in an Alpha Server (Dual processor), running *cough cough* OpenVMS 7.2. > solution seem to be PPro based machines, but the chipsets available so > far are really ugly wrt memory and PCI performance in my opinion (as > compared to good old Pentium based boards). The only chipset which seems > to be able to support lots of RAM and more than 4 PCI cards seems to be > the Orion GX, one implementation being the AMI Goliath board (cf. www.ami.com). > However, I have not been able so far to get my hands on one of these > boards *without* buying a large expensive box from Compaq et al (it seems > AMI only sells these boards to OEMs, at least I have not found a > distributor here in Germany, if you know of one, please drop me a line). > The Goliath board also requires special (read: expensive) DIMMs, you > can not use standard PS/2s or SDRAMs. Interesting. I've seen VIA VP2 boards that will do 512mb on the board, apparently assuming you put in two 128MB dimm/sdram and four 64mb SIMM sticks... Not a terribly fast but a situation that should work... > Experience also has shown that usually you have to invest more time > into getting a PC based server running as compared to a machine which > was designed from scratch to be a high performance/bandwidth server > like the SGI Origin 2000, and time is money (I have spent *several* hours > trying to get the Tomcat board running with more than 256MB of RAM). SGI Origin 2000... Irix... Server? Not really. > Note: this is no FreeBSD-bashing. I'd always prefer a FreeBSD-based > machine to an SGI Origin 2000 if it wasn't that difficult to find > PC hardware which suits our needs wrt scalability/performance. > Any recommendations for high-end PC hardware are welcome. wcarchive seems to run fine on their single P6/233 - 512MB system... I am pretty sure its not packed with special components JKH made with a soldering iron :) JS From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 15:27:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA24118 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:27:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24081 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:27:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06352; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:26:55 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:26:55 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Robert Ricci cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Giving users static IP adresses with pppd In-Reply-To: <34B3B3CA.80571CDD@theonlynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Robert Ricci wrote: > Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > * "" > > > > eerrk! Mea culpa. You should specify localipaddr:remoteipaddr (from the > > terminal server's point of view). Leave out the localipaddr to use the > > default, but you must put in the colon. So... > > > > > rricci * "" :206.29.203.20 > > > * * "" > > > > Hmm..... same result as before. What I believe pppd is doing with this > line is not allowing me to connect unless my IP is 206.29.203.20. Any > more ideas? Well, the only difference I can see in your setup and mine is that you use options.c00 and I use a horrible case statement to assign ip addresses on the command line in a by-modem situation. What OS release are you using? Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 18:15:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA11556 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:15:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA11521; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:15:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18561; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:33:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801080133.RAA18561@implode.root.com> To: " or ur Ivarsson" cc: Dave Smith , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote power cycle In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:51:11 GMT." <34B3965F.3B7592E2@est.is> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:33:09 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >David Greenman wrote: > >> It was quite easy for me to do, but the level of difficulty will depend >> on your ability to use a soldering iron and knowledge of electronics. What >> I did was reconfigure the hook relay so that the switch simply shorts the >> tip/ring wires rather than connect them to the isolation transformer. It > >Small advice on modems to use! > >Many of the newer modems do have 'solid state' switching and the tend to >not work! Find modem with large relay on and you should just short the >transformer at the line side. Hmmm...if these modems use a "solid state relay", then it should work. In any case, I used a cheap 14.4K internal modem (I don't recall the maker) that had a normal miniature relay. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 18:15:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA11564 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:15:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA11531 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:15:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18480; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:27:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801080127.RAA18480@implode.root.com> To: Jacob Suter cc: Lukas Wunner , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:25:29 CST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:27:32 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Note: this is no FreeBSD-bashing. I'd always prefer a FreeBSD-based >> machine to an SGI Origin 2000 if it wasn't that difficult to find >> PC hardware which suits our needs wrt scalability/performance. >> Any recommendations for high-end PC hardware are welcome. > >wcarchive seems to run fine on their single P6/233 - 512MB system... I am >pretty sure its not packed with special components JKH made with a >soldering iron :) Actually, wcarchive has 1GB of RAM and was assembled by me. The hardware list can be found in ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/archive-info/wcarchive.txt. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 20:39:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA27868 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:39:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from theonlynet.com (rock-08.theonlynet.com [206.29.203.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27855 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rricci@theonlynet.com) Received: from theonlynet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by theonlynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09120; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:41:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34B458EE.3D2F2CA3@theonlynet.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:41:18 -0700 From: Robert Ricci Organization: Kruton, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Giving users static IP adresses with pppd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > Well, the only difference I can see in your setup and mine is that you > use options.c00 and I use a horrible case statement to assign ip > addresses on the command line in a by-modem situation. > > What OS release are you using? > > Danny On that machine, we have 2.1.7 - I'd love to upgrade it, but right now, 90% of our modems are attached to that machine, so I can't really afford to take it down for the time it would take to upgrade. Have you ever looked at the "ipcp-accept-remote" option? It looks to me like it lets anybody insist on whatever IP they want. It doesn't sound like a good thing to me, but maybe it could be used for letting people use their own address. Here's some other things I can think of that might make my setup different from yours: 1) We use mgetty, instead of plain old getty to answer modems 2) In the options.ttyc0* files, each modem has its own host IP, as well as unique client ID. The guy who set up our cyclades cards (and has since left) assured me giving each modem its own host IP was necessary, but I haven't seen anyhting to support this claim. Could this be a problem? One more question - Do you have your ppp client set up to still try to negotiate its IP, or do you explicitly set it? (I use user-mode ppp to dial from my 2.2.1 system). Thanks for all the help! Robert Ricci rricci@theonlynet.com  From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 7 20:52:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA29436 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:52:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29240 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:51:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06789; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:50:24 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:50:23 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Robert Ricci cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Giving users static IP adresses with pppd In-Reply-To: <34B458EE.3D2F2CA3@theonlynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Robert Ricci wrote: > Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Well, the only difference I can see in your setup and mine is that you > > use options.c00 and I use a horrible case statement to assign ip > > addresses on the command line in a by-modem situation. > > > > What OS release are you using? > > On that machine, we have 2.1.7 - I'd love to upgrade it, but right now, The specific user override was put into pppd by David Nugent after 2.2.2 was released. Unless you want to merge the changes yourself, give up. I can probably dig the changes out for you if you like. > looked at the "ipcp-accept-remote" option? It looks to me like it lets > anybody insist on whatever IP they want. It doesn't sound like a good > thing to me, but maybe it could be used for letting people use their own > address. Does not sound good to me, either. > Here's some other things I can think of that might make my setup > different from yours: > 1) We use mgetty, instead of plain old getty to answer modems Irrelevant, as mgetty just answers the phone and starts login or pppd. > 2) In the options.ttyc0* files, each modem has its own host IP, as well > as unique client ID. The guy who set up our cyclades cards (and has > since left) assured me giving each modem its own host IP was necessary, > but I haven't seen anyhting to support this claim. Could this be a > problem? The guy is right. Each remote machine needs its own IP address, but they should all use the same IP address as their gateway (the IP address of the FreeBSD box). > One more question - Do you have your ppp client set up to still try to > negotiate its IP, or do you explicitly set it? (I use user-mode ppp to > dial from my 2.2.1 system). Negotiation is generally easier, if one end is insisting on something specific. If you are using usermode ppp, perhaps you could make the static IP people use a login style connection, where they login with username and password, and their shell starts pppd with the correct options. Have a look at my pppkit for an example. Cheers, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 8 04:09:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA07907 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:09:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hartley.mintel.co.uk (hartley.mintel.co.uk [194.217.87.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA07901; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:09:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason.thomson@mintel.co.uk) Received: from mintel.co.uk ([10.0.0.233]) by hartley.mintel.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11296; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:05:33 GMT Message-ID: <34B4C1E5.D9E4FCBF@mintel.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:09:09 +0000 From: Jason Thomson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Philip.Ward@mintel.co.uk Subject: OFFTOPIC: Computer supplier in Chicago area. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This may be a bit off topic, but I trust the people who read these lists to give some sensible answers. The company I work for, (Mintel International Group Ltd.) is setting up a venture in Chicago. We will require equipment (PCs, scanners, notebooks etc), an internet connection and support. So if anyone can supply these services or recommend someone, I would be most appreciative. Below is an idea of what we would want (nothing has been finally decided yet): Hardware: 4 PCs (P166MMXs, 32MB Ram, Win95). 2 Servers (P200MMX, 64MB Ram, 1 NT, 1 FreeBSD). A4 Scanner. Digital Camera. Laser Printer. Ethernet Network. (i.e. cabling, cards, hub). (Probably 10BaseT with Cat 5 cabling). Software: MS Office95 x 4. Internet Connection: Dial-up or leased line. (Not decided yet). Fixed IP address preferable. (Perhaps even a 8 or 16 addresses). Secondary DNS (maybe). Configured FreeBSD box (Not fully decided on this one either yet - I'm not coming over to do it myself - so we may want a fully configured box we can just drop in). Support: This is an important one. We will be doing most of the support from the UK (over the telephone and using PC Anywhere or something similar and telnet or ssh for the FreeBSD box). However, if anything catastrophic happens (as it sometimes does - e.g. Disk crash / OS corruption etc. / Hardware failure) we would need to be able to rely on someone to go in and sort things out. And now for the fun part - we want to get all this together and put it in during the first week of February. It's probably best if replies don't go to back to the list. (It's not that interesting for most of the people on the list). So please reply direct to me (jason.thomson@mintel.co.uk). Thanks for your help (hopefully), Jason Thomson Director Of IT Mintel International Group Ltd. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 8 06:00:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA17135 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:00:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from white.netsurf.net (root@White.NetSurf.Net [204.92.236.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA17124 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:00:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beltrix!bsc!peters@white.netsurf.net) Received: from beltrix.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by white.netsurf.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id IAA16856 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:56:31 -0500 Received: by beltrix.guild.org (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 08 Jan 98 08:46:21 EST for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: by belsys.com (rnr) via rnr; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:33:38 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Original-Message-From: David Greenman Subject: Re: Remote power cycle From: peters@belsys.com (Peter Sleggs) Message-ID: <19980108.083338.5O6.rnr.w165w@belsys.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:33:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <199801080133.RAA18561@implode.root.com> Organization: Bellatrix Systems Corp. Mississauga, ONT Canada X-Newsreader: rnr v2.30 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>David Greenman wrote: >> >>> It was quite easy for me to do, but the level of difficulty will depend >>> on your ability to use a soldering iron and knowledge of electronics. What >>> I did was reconfigure the hook relay so that the switch simply shorts the >>> tip/ring wires rather than connect them to the isolation transformer. It >> >>Small advice on modems to use! >> >>Many of the newer modems do have 'solid state' switching and the tend to >>not work! Find modem with large relay on and you should just short the >>transformer at the line side. > > Hmmm...if these modems use a "solid state relay", then it should work. > In any case, I used a cheap 14.4K internal modem (I don't recall the > maker) that had a normal miniature relay. For my systems in house and a couple of other projects I've been considering 2 projects. 1. Watchdog card, or box of some sort 2. Reset controller box serial input [ modem maybe ] with 8 relays to allow the reset of computers remotely Is there a demand for these sorts of hardware ? Wish lists for features ? I will be doing the reset controller box, for my own use at some point soon, making a small board that could be mounted in a box or in the equipment rack. The watchdog card is a possibility but not as useful for me, but maybe moresuitable for others. Ideas and gotcha would be welcome. -- Peter Sleggs VA3SLE Bellatrix Systems Corp. peters@belsys.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 8 07:46:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA26023 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hack.babel.dk (shredder@hack.babel.dk [194.255.106.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA26013 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:46:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shredder@hack.babel.dk) Received: from localhost (shredder@localhost) by hack.babel.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA05001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:46:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:46:46 +0100 (CET) From: chrw To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: recovering tar archieve / ssh Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I hope someone can help me out or give me a hint on the following problem. I thought i finally had a working effective way of makign backups using tar, with several machines located physically away from my office, using a single streamer mounted on a host on my desk. Ive been using tar thru an ssh pipe to the fbsd streamer host, like tar cvfpl - * | ssh -c blowfish molly 'cat > /dev/nrst0' everything seemed to work fine, but today i tried doing a desaster recovery test.. It start extracting fine, but after 1 or 2 mins tar terminates with "tar: Unexpected EOF on archive file" :( this is defintly NOT good. Its a brand new tape. I havent tried with another tape so far, could be a bad tape? (yeah, when u cant explain why things go wrong, blame it on the hardware).. the setup is, im doing backup from several sgi servers, onto the freebsd streamer host. I cant see this should be a problem. Anyway, EVEN if it is a tape error, i cannot rest assure that my backups are good untill i have to verified every single tape i got :( Maybe tar can verify each archieve it makes automatically, in the future..? Ill go check the man page. Anyone have any hints or comments? Christoffer Walther Unix Admin PROVENTUM From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 8 09:22:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA04443 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:22:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mole (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA04432 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:22:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dnelson@slip.net) Received: from slip-3.slip.net [207.171.193.17] (dnelson) by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xqLfL-00001b-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:22:47 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: Dru Nelson X-Sender: dnelson@slip-3 To: Peter Sleggs cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remote power cycle In-Reply-To: <19980108.083338.5O6.rnr.w165w@belsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there already a standard for watchdog timer cards? As in for the embedded market? Dru > For my systems in house and a couple of other projects I've been > considering 2 projects. > > 1. Watchdog card, or box of some sort > > 2. Reset controller box > serial input [ modem maybe ] with 8 relays to allow the reset of > computers remotely > > Is there a demand for these sorts of hardware ? > Wish lists for features ? > > I will be doing the reset controller box, for my own use at some point > soon, making a small board that could be mounted in a box or in the > equipment rack. The watchdog card is a possibility but not as useful for > me, but maybe moresuitable for others. > > Peter Sleggs VA3SLE > Bellatrix Systems Corp. > peters@belsys.com > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 8 09:32:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA05436 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA05423 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:32:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03522; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:30:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:30:03 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: Peter Sleggs cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote power cycle In-Reply-To: <19980108.083338.5O6.rnr.w165w@belsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > considering 2 projects. > > 1. Watchdog card, or box of some sort > > 2. Reset controller box > serial input [ modem maybe ] with 8 relays to allow the reset of > computers remotely > > Is there a demand for these sorts of hardware ? > Wish lists for features ? We bought jobbers off the shelf for this - for approx $250 you get a central control jobber and a bunch of jobbies you plug into outlets and then the cpu into that - I DONT USE THEM EVER because I have found that more times than not (unless it is my 1 last SCO box) is that something serious, that requires my prescence went wrong - like a bad hard disk - and power cyclingly blindly in many cases would not only hide the evidence of what is up, but could actually make matters worse. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 8 09:47:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA06864 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:47:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from nash.pr.mcs.net (nash.pr.mcs.net [204.95.47.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06858 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:47:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@nash.pr.mcs.net) Received: (from alex@localhost) by nash.pr.mcs.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA16764; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:44:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from alex) Message-Id: <199801081744.LAA16764@nash.pr.mcs.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:44:23 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Nash Reply-To: nash@mcs.net Subject: Re: recovering tar archieve / ssh To: shredder@hack.babel.dk cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 8 Jan, chrw wrote: > > Hello, > > I hope someone can help me out or give me a hint on the following > problem. I thought i finally had a working effective way of makign backups > using tar, with several machines located physically away from my > office, using a single streamer mounted on a host on my desk. > > Ive been using tar thru an ssh pipe to the fbsd streamer host, like > > tar cvfpl - * | ssh -c blowfish molly 'cat > /dev/nrst0' Throw in '-e none' to the ssh command line. It's possible that ssh is seeing the escape character followed by an exit command ("~."). Alex From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 8 11:42:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA20290 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:42:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from fly.com (fly.com [192.147.46.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA20275 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:42:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garyb@fly.com) Received: from localhost (garyb@localhost) by fly.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01771; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:46:25 -1000 (HST) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:46:25 -1000 (HST) From: Gary Blumenstein Reply-To: Gary Blumenstein To: chrw cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: recovering tar archieve / ssh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, chrw wrote: > Ive been using tar thru an ssh pipe to the fbsd streamer host, like > > tar cvfpl - * | ssh -c blowfish molly 'cat > /dev/nrst0' > > everything seemed to work fine, but today i tried doing a desaster > recovery test.. It start extracting fine, but after 1 or 2 mins tar > terminates with "tar: Unexpected EOF on archive file" :( > Try also including the -B option to tar. This allows tar to read "full blocks" when using pipes. -Gary -- Gary Blumenstein, President Fly Technologies, Inc. garyb@fly.com http://www.fly.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 8 14:23:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA08523 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:23:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from capecod.net (ostb113.capecod.net [207.19.28.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA08511 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:23:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crtb@capecod.net) Received: from localhost (crtb@localhost) by capecod.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01598; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:19:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:19:49 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Reply-To: Chuck To: chrw cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: recovering tar archieve / ssh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sounds familiar. I have a FreeBSD 2.2.2 PC, Tomato, with a TR4 (SCSI) drive named nrst0. I run dump on it whenever I feel like it, and have restored files from way down the tape. It goes from one end to the other, then turns around and goes the other way. I don't know how many tracks there are --it takes quite a few end-to-end trips-- but it works. But, when I run dump over the (thinwire) Ethernet from my other FreeBSD 2.2.2 PC, Daisy, to the same nrst0 via rmt, first, it hiccups about every two seconds, and averages about 50 kBps. *** AND *** it only goes to the end of the tape once and does not turn around. It says that Tomato's operator should mount a fresh tape. This in spite of dump's -a option. So I've taken to running dump from Daisy to a BIG file on Tomato, and then writing that file to tape using dd. Very fast. Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, chrw wrote: > > Hello, > > I hope someone can help me out or give me a hint on the following > problem. I thought i finally had a working effective way of makign backups > using tar, with several machines located physically away from my > office, using a single streamer mounted on a host on my desk. > > Ive been using tar thru an ssh pipe to the fbsd streamer host, like > > tar cvfpl - * | ssh -c blowfish molly 'cat > /dev/nrst0' > > everything seemed to work fine, but today i tried doing a desaster > recovery test.. It start extracting fine, but after 1 or 2 mins tar > terminates with "tar: Unexpected EOF on archive file" :( > > this is defintly NOT good. Its a brand new tape. I havent tried with > another tape so far, could be a bad tape? (yeah, when u cant explain why > things go wrong, blame it on the hardware).. > > the setup is, im doing backup from several sgi servers, onto the freebsd > streamer host. I cant see this should be a problem. > > Anyway, EVEN if it is a tape error, i cannot rest assure that my backups > are good untill i have to verified every single tape i got :( > > Maybe tar can verify each archieve it makes automatically, in the > future..? Ill go check the man page. > > > Anyone have any hints or comments? > > Christoffer Walther > Unix Admin > PROVENTUM From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 8 16:06:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA21359 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:06:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from br01.acw-web.com (br01.acw-web.com [156.46.248.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA21316 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:06:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from info@bentreality.com) Received: from br02.acw-web.com (br02.acw-web.com [156.46.248.99]) by br01.acw-web.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA02029; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:06:14 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980108180550.0070d59c@acw-web.com> X-Sender: jwenger@acw-web.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:05:50 -0600 To: Gary Blumenstein From: Jack Wenger Subject: Re: recovering tar archieve / ssh Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a way to do tar over a ftp link? I've got a Jaz drive on a Mac, and I'd like to be able to do that. My main webserver is a FreeBSD 2.2.2 release box. No tape. At 09:46 AM 1/8/98 -1000, you wrote: > >On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, chrw wrote: >> Ive been using tar thru an ssh pipe to the fbsd streamer host, like >> >> tar cvfpl - * | ssh -c blowfish molly 'cat > /dev/nrst0' >> >> everything seemed to work fine, but today i tried doing a desaster >> recovery test.. It start extracting fine, but after 1 or 2 mins tar >> terminates with "tar: Unexpected EOF on archive file" :( >> > >Try also including the -B option to tar. This allows tar to read >"full blocks" when using pipes. > >-Gary > >-- >Gary Blumenstein, President Fly Technologies, Inc. >garyb@fly.com http://www.fly.com/ > > > > > ------------- Excellence in Web Design -------------- Bent Reality Graphics Jack Wenger, Owner info@bentreality.com http://www.bentreality.com 608-233-8571 or 1-888-701-1026 IBM Business Partner - Internet Specialist From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 8 22:03:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA17137 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:03:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA17060 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:03:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09276; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:02:43 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:02:43 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Jack Wenger cc: Gary Blumenstein , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recovering tar archieve / ssh In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980108180550.0070d59c@acw-web.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Jack Wenger wrote: > Is there a way to do tar over a ftp link? I've got a Jaz drive on a Mac, > and I'd like to be able to do that. My main webserver is a FreeBSD 2.2.2 > release box. > No tape. tar into a tgz file and ftp it to the Mac manually. You might also look at the extended options such as --newer-mtime. Get ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/gnu/usr.bin/tar/tar.1 which has better documentation than the released tar.1 Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 06:11:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA03476 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:11:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA03470 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:11:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhawk@ohio.river.org) Received: (from dhawk@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id GAA17813 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:11:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:11:10 -0800 (PST) From: David Hawkins Message-Id: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: How to lock out a nonpaying user? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc Suggestions? later, david -- David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org http://www.river.org Clever people seem not to feel the natural pleasure of bewilderments, and are always answering questions when the chief relish of life is to go on asking them. -- Frank Moore Colby From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 07:01:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA07754 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:01:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from kubrick.nwe.ufl.edu (kubrick.nwe.ufl.edu [128.227.243.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA07726 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:01:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from northrup@nwe.ufl.edu) Received: from ronell.nwe.ufl.edu (ronell.nwe.ufl.edu [128.227.243.237]) by kubrick.nwe.ufl.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20489; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:58:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from northrup@nwe.ufl.edu) Received: from localhost (northrup@localhost) by ronell.nwe.ufl.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14418; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:01:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: ronell.nwe.ufl.edu: northrup owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:01:19 -0500 (EST) From: Dylan Northrup To: David Hawkins cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: :=How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively :=easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their :=respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message :=but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers :=so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc := :=Suggestions? Give them an invalid shell (i.e. one that doesn't work and isn't listed in /etc/shells). /bin/true works well but I'm always a fan of /usr/games/fortune with Babylon 5 quotes :-) -- Dylan Northrup <*> northrup@nwe.ufl.edu <*> http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~northrup <*> --------------- Random B5 Quote "You're always scared. It's part of the job." -- Lt. Keffer, "GROPOS" From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 07:12:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA09492 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:12:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA09394 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:11:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sderdau@xtdl.com) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA25668; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:13:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:13:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: David Hawkins cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try changing their password. When they want to reactivate ask them what they want for a password or what their password was. Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 10 Chestnut Dr. Bedford, NH 03110 603 4714700 "If it wasn't for something I would have nothing!:)" On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc > > Suggestions? > > later, david > -- > David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org http://www.river.org > Clever people seem not to feel the natural pleasure of bewilderments, > and are always answering questions when the chief relish of life is to > go on asking them. -- Frank Moore Colby > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 07:23:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA10404 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:23:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA10379 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:23:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id KAA09810; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:23:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980110102326.26066@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:23:26 -0500 From: Norman C Rice To: David Hawkins Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? References: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org>; from David Hawkins on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 06:11:10AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 06:11:10AM -0800, David Hawkins wrote: > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc > > Suggestions? > > later, david > -- > David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org http://www.river.org > Clever people seem not to feel the natural pleasure of bewilderments, > and are always answering questions when the chief relish of life is to > go on asking them. -- Frank Moore Colby I use `vipw' to place an asterisk (*) in the first character of their password field. deadbeat:*$1$B0i0:1008:69::0:0:Slow Pay:/home/spay:/bin/csh ^ You could use vipw to change their login program to /usr/bin/false or /nonexistent. deadbeat:$1$B0i0:1008:69::0:0:Slow Pay:/home/spay:/nonexistent ^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 07:25:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA10507 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:25:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA10472; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:25:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rls@mail.id.net) Received: from server.id.net (server.id.net [199.125.2.20]) by mail.id.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24852; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:36:00 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA06146; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:26:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801101526.KAA06146@server.id.net> Subject: ** SDL RISCom/N2 & Frame Relay ** To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:26:17 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk To whom it may concern; I *REALLY* need to get frame relay working under AT LEAST 2.2.x or even 3.0-SNAP. I seen the SDL wrote a driver awhile ago to work under 2.1, and I've tried (for about 30 minutes) to get it to work under 3.0 but there appears to be too many changes to various system files for me to get it to work easily. Not to mention, I'm *SURE* someone else has already looked into this, as the if_sr.c driver makes mention to it in numerous places. Please, please, please let me know what the current status of this project is. --> SEND E-MAIL TO: rls@mail.id.net, I am NOT on this list anymore. -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services, Inc. Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (248)855-0404 / Fax: (248)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 07:50:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA11894 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:50:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from chaos.winternet.com (jstepka@chaos.winternet.com [204.246.64.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA11886 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:50:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jstepka@chaos.winternet.com) Received: from localhost (jstepka@localhost) by chaos.winternet.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10584; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:49:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:49:46 -0600 (CST) From: Justen Stepka To: David Hawkins cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc > > Suggestions? 'vipw', place a '*' in front of their passwd. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 07:53:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA12046 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:53:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com ([207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA12016; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:53:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com ([207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA16403; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:55:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980110105641.00e2fcb0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:56:42 -0500 To: Robert Shady , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: Re: ** SDL RISCom/N2 & Frame Relay ** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:26 AM 1/10/98 -0500, Robert Shady wrote: >To whom it may concern; > > I *REALLY* need to get frame relay working under AT LEAST 2.2.x or >even 3.0-SNAP. I seen the SDL wrote a driver awhile ago to work under >2.1, and I've tried (for about 30 minutes) to get it to work under 3.0 >but there appears to be too many changes to various system files for me >to get it to work easily. Not to mention, I'm *SURE* someone else has >already looked into this, as the if_sr.c driver makes mention to it in >numerous places. Please, please, please let me know what the current >status of this project is. > >--> SEND E-MAIL TO: rls@mail.id.net, I am NOT on this list anymore. If you REALLY need it...you know where to find us. :-) db Emerging Technologies, Inc. www.etinc.com ISA and PCI Sync Cards for FreeBSD, LINUX and BSD/OS ET/BWMGR Bandwidth Manager From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 07:55:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA12238 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:55:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA12214 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:55:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mfisher@harborcom.net) Received: from d117-h041.rh.rit.edu (mfisher@d117-h041.rh.rit.edu [129.21.117.169]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24770; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:55:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:55:36 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Fisher X-Sender: mfisher@d117-h041.rh.rit.edu To: David Hawkins cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc Adding an asterisk to the beginning of their password generally seems to do the job. You'd keep receiving mail and serving web pages for them (if applicable). Then you can just remove the asterisk to let them back in. -- Mike "Science triumphs again!" -- Dr. H. M. Schey From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 08:13:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA13726 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from didda.est.is (didda.est.is [194.144.208.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA13688 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:13:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from totii@est.is) Received: from est.is (didda.est.is [192.168.255.1]) by didda.est.is (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01633; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:10:45 GMT (envelope-from totii@est.is) Message-ID: <34B79D84.E8A9F2A2@est.is> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:10:44 +0000 From: "Þorður Ivarsson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Hawkins CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? References: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Hawkins wrote: > > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc > > Suggestions? You can disable the user with changeing password field of his through 'vipw', we add '$' in front of the password field to see if user is enabled or disabled. -- Þórður Ívarsson Thordur Ivarsson Rafeindavirki Electronic technician Norðurgötu 30 Nordurgotu 30 Box 309 Box 309 602 Akureyri 602 Akureyri Ísland Iceland --------------------------------------------- FreeBSD has good features, Some others are full of unwanted features! --------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 08:45:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA15832 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:45:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ts.shopnet.com (ts.shopnet.com [208.131.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15812 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:44:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deichert@ts.shopnet.com) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id JAA26135; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:46:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:46:44 -0700 (MST) From: Diana X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: "Stephen A. Derdau" cc: David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For that matter, just change the last several characters of their encrypted password via vipw, and when they pay put back the original characters you removed. You could put the removed characters in the comment field so you don't have to use your memory. ;-) There are many ways to do this, just be creative. :-) On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > Try changing their password. When they want to reactivate ask them > what they want for a password or what their password was. > > On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: > > > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their Diana Eichert IT Manager McKinley Paper Company deeiche@mckinleypaper.com Tele: 505/290-0153 PGP public key finger: deichert@ts.shopnet.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 08:48:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA16018 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:48:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from xenu.denverweb.net (xenu.denverweb.net [199.45.153.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15978 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:47:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bminazzi@w3page.com) Received: from orion (blaine@sdn-ts-003coauroP10.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.61]) by xenu.denverweb.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA05361 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:49:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34B7A6D8.20AF0AB@w3page.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:50:32 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mike Fisher wrote: > Adding an asterisk to the beginning of their password generally seems to do > the job. You'd keep receiving mail and serving web pages for them (if > applicable). Then you can just remove the asterisk to let them back in. > > -- > Mike > "Science triumphs again!" -- Dr. H. M. Schey Personally, I think that turning OFF their web page, and having e-mail bounce gets them to pony up a lot quicker, if they are going to pay at all. Also, you might want to work with them... If a customer is having a temporary finacial difficulty, and is serious, they can stay connected as long as they pay me _something_. That will build customer loyalty, and your not really out anything. ( something > nothing ). On the other hand, once a customer starts not returning my phone calls, or answering e-mails, then I find it is account disconnect time. Those customers are usually beyond salvage, and simply have to be turned off, then accounts turned over to collections, if it is a large enough account. Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 09:02:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA17283 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:02:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA17251 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:02:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA04786; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:01:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:01:50 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: Norman C Rice cc: David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <19980110102326.26066@emu.sourcee.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Norman C Rice wrote: > I use `vipw' to place an asterisk (*) in the first character of their > password field. > > deadbeat:*$1$B0i0:1008:69::0:0:Slow Pay:/home/spay:/bin/csh > ^ > You could use vipw to change their login program to /usr/bin/false or > /nonexistent. > > deadbeat:$1$B0i0:1008:69::0:0:Slow Pay:/home/spay:/nonexistent We do something similar, but didn't trust multiple people hacking at the password file with a text editor. After being tired of being the bottle neck, I put a script together to do it and gave sudo previlidges to everyone down to level1 support to activate/reavtivate logins. It also makes it easy search for dead beats in the system that haven't paid and eventually clear them out. This also provides additional protection from POP mail, the deadbeats can't continue to use your mail server from another provider, futher pressing the issue of resolving the non-paynment issue. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 09:18:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA19639 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:18:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from email.polaccess.com (polaccess.com [205.166.42.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA19627 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:18:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcin@v-m.com) Received: from [205.166.42.125] by email.polaccess.com (SMTPD32-3.03) id A666217D01EC; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:10:14 -0500 Message-ID: <34B7ABC4.C4E@v-m.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:11:32 -0600 From: Marcin Pasek Reply-To: marcin@v-m.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Limit directory access..... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is anyone know how to restrict a user from browsing diffrent directories so if the person has a home directory set to /home/user1 he would not be able to go to other directories /home/user2 or / ...Maybe I am duing soemthing wrong with the chmod command...And if there is a way around this can I applay that to telnet and FTP sessions... Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 09:20:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA19869 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:20:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user4903@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA19845 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:20:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 10 Jan 1998 17:27:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:27:03 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: Justen Stepka cc: David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 1) Change shell to /usr/local/bin/locksh 2) Make the above file, similar to this: #!/bin/sh echo "You have an administrative hold on your account." echo "Please contact Customer Service to reactivate services." echo " " echo -n "Logging attempt..." mail -s "$USER tried to log in `date`" root < /dev/null > /dev/null echo "Done." exit 0 3) add their name to /etc/ftpusers 4) chown root /home/their_home_directory 5) chmod 700 /home/their_home_directory 6) make sure their personal web page is similarly moded. 7) nuke any radius or other PPP passwords they may have Kevin On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Justen Stepka wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: > > > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 09:29:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA20741 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:29:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from nash.pr.mcs.net (nash.pr.mcs.net [204.95.47.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20709 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:28:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@nash.pr.mcs.net) Received: (from alex@localhost) by nash.pr.mcs.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA07557; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:26:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from alex) Message-Id: <199801101726.LAA07557@nash.pr.mcs.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:26:56 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Nash Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? To: totii@est.is cc: dhawk@river.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34B79D84.E8A9F2A2@est.is> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 10 Jan, Þorður Ivarsson wrote: > David Hawkins wrote: >> >> How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively >> easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their >> respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message >> but one has gotten around that. If they have a friend on the same system with an unlocked account, they can bypass the .cshrc and .profile with 'su -m'. >> Suggestions? > > You can disable the user with changeing password field of his through > 'vipw', we add '$' in front of the password field to see if user is > enabled or disabled. Note that both rsh and ssh can be setup to allow people in without checking the password field. Alex From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 09:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA21964 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:37:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21945 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id MAA10178; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:36:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980110123645.13588@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:36:45 -0500 From: Norman C Rice To: Jeff Lynch Cc: David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? References: <19980110102326.26066@emu.sourcee.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Jeff Lynch on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 11:01:50AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 11:01:50AM -0600, Jeff Lynch wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Norman C Rice wrote: > > > I use `vipw' to place an asterisk (*) in the first character of their > > password field. > > > > deadbeat:*$1$B0i0:1008:69::0:0:Slow Pay:/home/spay:/bin/csh > > ^ > > You could use vipw to change their login program to /usr/bin/false or > > /nonexistent. > > > > deadbeat:$1$B0i0:1008:69::0:0:Slow Pay:/home/spay:/nonexistent > > We do something similar, but didn't trust multiple people hacking > at the password file with a text editor. After being tired of being > the bottle neck, I put a script together to do it and gave sudo > previlidges to everyone down to level1 support to activate/reavtivate > logins. It also makes it easy search for dead beats in the system > that haven't paid and eventually clear them out. > > This also provides additional protection from POP mail, the deadbeats > can't continue to use your mail server from another provider, futher > pressing the issue of resolving the non-paynment issue. > > ========================================================================= > Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet > email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider > Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 > Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com Sounds very interesting.... I know that RedHat Linux has a similar feature accessible from their control-panel. Would you consider publishing your script to simplify this task for other providers? -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 09:53:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA23890 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:53:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23861 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:53:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA13081; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:53:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:53:36 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: David Hawkins cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc > > Suggestions? The expire field in /etc/master.passwd. passwd(5) for details. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 09:55:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA24075 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:55:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA24064 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:54:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id JAA04551; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:53:40 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:53:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Koum X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: David Hawkins cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Why don't you run "vipw" and put a * at the begegining of thier password. For example, change this: luser:$1$xtp9K$gPT1/ii2srm2mm4OXQDnt.:1006:1006::0:0:Luser:/home/luser:/bin/csh to this: luser:*$1$xtp9K$gPT1/ii2srm2mm4OXQDnt.:1006:1006::0:0:Luser:/home/luser:/bin/csh ^^^ this will not allow them to login, but once they pay, you take the start out and they can login back again with the same password. -- Yan On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: >How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively >easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their >respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message >but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers >so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc > >Suggestions? > >later, david >-- >David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org http://www.river.org >Clever people seem not to feel the natural pleasure of bewilderments, >and are always answering questions when the chief relish of life is to >go on asking them. -- Frank Moore Colby > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 10:34:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA27978 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:34:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hermes.uninet.net.mx (hermes.uninet.net.mx [200.33.146.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA27967 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:34:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (ver1_154.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.154] (may be forged)) by hermes.uninet.net.mx (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16993; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:36:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34B7C04C.6426ECA6@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:39:08 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Diana CC: "Stephen A. Derdau" , David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Diana wrote: > > For that matter, just change the last several characters of their > encrypted password via vipw, and when they pay put back the original > characters you removed. You could put the removed characters in the > comment field so you don't have to use your memory. ;-) There are many > ways to do this, just be creative. :-) > This is a very interesting thread, but the only creativity I've seen is how to quickly eliminate a customer. Why not create a state of limbo that will maintain internal communications with the customer but only permite external communications that you authorize that can be reduced by time frame until he is automatically cut off after having tried everything. He could inicially only loose external not internal web, chat and ftp. In 3-7 days take away external mail, not internal because you should be sending automatic emails convencing him to pay. The same should hold true on your web site. I think that might be a little more creative and do what Blaine Minazzi suggested. IMHO the best answer I have seen. Provecho ed > On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > > > Try changing their password. When they want to reactivate ask them > > what they want for a password or what their password was. > > > > On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: > > > > > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > > > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > > Diana Eichert > IT Manager > McKinley Paper Company > deeiche@mckinleypaper.com > Tele: 505/290-0153 > PGP public key finger: deichert@ts.shopnet.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 10:39:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA28412 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:39:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (0@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA28402 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:39:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00394; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:38:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980110103848.00312@agora.rdrop.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:38:48 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: Norman C Rice Cc: David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? References: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> <19980110102326.26066@emu.sourcee.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=Agd0e35j3NYeGe4z X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76 In-Reply-To: <19980110102326.26066@emu.sourcee.com>; from Norman C Rice on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 10:23:26AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --Agd0e35j3NYeGe4z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 10:23:26AM -0500, Norman C Rice wrote: > I use `vipw' to place an asterisk (*) in the first character of their > password field. > > You could use vipw to change their login program to /usr/bin/false or > /nonexistent. All these complicated solutions when there's one already built into the password file: the expiration date. I set up user's accounts so they expire at a certain time, and when they send more money, I adjust the expiration accordingly. That way the system automatically handles it, and all I have to is the odd "oh please the check's in the mail and I really need my email" extensions at the beginning of the month. I keep the paid-for expiration date in a separate file with scripts to munge things in batches for payment processing. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. --Agd0e35j3NYeGe4z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNLfAOIv4wNua7QglAQF8dgP/QWZfAtNHe0m9QFbcmkKzJes30oSU3TqO 4zqEkUIU8xDwB+haCF8fccqBjiO/QcvCh2xZi1AbVhVVO9vW8iSMvL/sjbTriBhx /FIFxpInVri9rfIYglU9cTQyMT8eF5r8z6FxmKTpI9YtvVacBi5PP4AXisQmAEFh dPwmG1NMxEU= =ilH1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Agd0e35j3NYeGe4z-- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 10:45:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA29068 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:45:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from cobalt.impulse.net (cobalt.impulse.net [204.188.6.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA29057 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:45:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@cobalt.impulse.net) Received: (qmail 21905 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Jan 1998 18:44:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19980110184451.21904.qmail@cobalt.impulse.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:44:51 -0800 (PST) To: dhawk@river.org Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Christopher L. Cousins" Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.2-971023-FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Hawkins wrote: > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc I use the "chpass" command from within a shell script. ex chpass -e "$todays-date" $username Many programs don't check the expire date so you have to play with them a bit to get it work. (Radius and Qpopper come to mind) When you want to re-activate the account. chpass -e "0" $username > > Suggestions? > > later, david > -- > David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org http://www.river.org > Clever people seem not to feel the natural pleasure of > bewilderments, > and are always answering questions when the chief relish of life is > to > go on asking them. -- Frank Moore Colby > Christopher L. Cousins ____ Impulse Internet Services / \ ____________________________/ \_____ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 10:56:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00599 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:56:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00490 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:55:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id NAA10460; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:55:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980110135535.19480@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:55:35 -0500 From: Norman C Rice To: Alan Batie Cc: Norman C Rice , David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? References: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> <19980110102326.26066@emu.sourcee.com> <19980110103848.00312@agora.rdrop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <19980110103848.00312@agora.rdrop.com>; from Alan Batie on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 10:38:48AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 10:38:48AM -0800, Alan Batie wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 10:23:26AM -0500, Norman C Rice wrote: > > I use `vipw' to place an asterisk (*) in the first character of their > > password field. > > > > You could use vipw to change their login program to /usr/bin/false or > > /nonexistent. > > All these complicated solutions when there's one already built into the > password file: the expiration date. I set up user's accounts so they > expire at a certain time, and when they send more money, I adjust the > expiration accordingly. That way the system automatically handles it, > and all I have to is the odd "oh please the check's in the mail and I > really need my email" extensions at the beginning of the month. I keep > the paid-for expiration date in a separate file with scripts to munge > things in batches for payment processing. > > -- > Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy > batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! > +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert > PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 > > It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which > use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. Perhaps they are complicated. Perhaps the automation of selectively updating the expiration date field for all users every month isn't trivial either. Perhaps it's not trivial to enter the "paid-for expiration date" for all users. Who knows? Everyone is contributing some very good ideas. Hopefully, David finds a suggestion that works for him. -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 10:56:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00614 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:56:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mx.calweb.com (mx.calweb.com [208.131.56.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00593 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdugaue@calweb.com) Received: by mx.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA02349; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:55:44 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo web2.calweb.com from rdugaue@calweb.com server rdugaue@web2.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.52 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:55:43 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Du Gaue To: "Stephen A. Derdau" cc: David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Try changing their password. When they want to reactivate ask them > what they want for a password or what their password was. Better yet. We add the word 'SUSPEND' as part of their password string. This way we can easily grep and see who is suspended, the string changes their PW encryption so they can't login and when we want to unsuspend them we remove the string and their PW is what is was before. > > > Stephen A. Derdau > XTDL inc > 10 Chestnut Dr. Bedford, NH 03110 > 603 4714700 "If it wasn't for something I would have nothing!:)" > > > On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: > > > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc > > > > Suggestions? > > > > later, david > > -- > > David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org http://www.river.org > > Clever people seem not to feel the natural pleasure of bewilderments, > > and are always answering questions when the chief relish of life is to > > go on asking them. -- Frank Moore Colby > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Du Gaue - rdugaue@calweb.com http://www.calweb.com President, CalWeb Internet Services Inc. (916) 641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 10:59:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01020 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:59:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from limbo.rtfm.net (nathan@rtfm.net [204.141.125.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA01000 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:59:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nathan@limbo.rtfm.net) Received: (from nathan@localhost) by limbo.rtfm.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09788; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:59:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980110135919.13041@rtfm.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:59:19 -0500 From: Nathan Dorfman To: David Hawkins Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? References: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org>; from David Hawkins on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 06:11:10AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 06:11:10AM -0800, David Hawkins wrote: > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc > > Suggestions? > > later, david > -- > David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org http://www.river.org > Clever people seem not to feel the natural pleasure of bewilderments, > and are always answering questions when the chief relish of life is to > go on asking them. -- Frank Moore Colby Run /usr/sbin/vipw, and put a * character in front of their encrypted password field. The reason everyone uses * for this purpose is that the hash never generates a * in the hashed password string--thus the user will not be able to log in. If you just add it to the password instead of replacing, you can easily re-enable the account by removing one character. -- ________________ _______________________________ / Nathan Dorfman V PGP: finger nathan@rtfm.net / / nathan@rtfm.net | http://www.rtfm.net / From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 11:40:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA05991 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:40:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA05917 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:40:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhawk@ohio.river.org) Received: (from dhawk@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA26174 for isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:39:34 -0800 (PST) From: David Hawkins Message-Id: <199801101939.LAA26174@ohio.river.org> Subject: Thanks! (on locking out nonpaying users) To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:39:34 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Lots of good ideas there and I've saved them all. I went ahead and locked out this particular user with a shell of /nonexistent and will write a wrapper shell that prints out a warning and use that as a shell. Will experiement with login.conf later. Thanks again for all the input. later, david -- David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org http://www.river.org Clever people seem not to feel the natural pleasure of bewilderments, and are always answering questions when the chief relish of life is to go on asking them. -- Frank Moore Colby From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 11:58:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07702 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:58:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07691 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:57:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA06377; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:56:10 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <34B69CED.27617A1D@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:56:01 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: marcin@v-m.com CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limit directory access..... References: <34B7ABC4.C4E@v-m.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Marcin Pasek wrote: > Is anyone know how to restrict a user from browsing diffrent directories > so if the person has a home directory set to /home/user1 he would not be > able to go to other directories /home/user2 or / ...Maybe I am duing > soemthing wrong with the chmod command...And if there is a way around > this can I applay that to telnet and FTP sessions... > > Marcin it's depends from users default umode setting. default is wr--r--r, user can set it to wr----, by putting umask command to his(her) profile -- @= //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 13:18:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA12859 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:18:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from didda.est.is (didda.est.is [194.144.208.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA12826 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:18:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from totii@est.is) Received: from est.is (didda.est.is [192.168.255.1]) by didda.est.is (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02545; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:17:29 GMT (envelope-from totii@est.is) Message-ID: <34B7E569.6EE16600@est.is> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:17:29 +0000 From: "Þorður Ivarsson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jack CC: David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jack wrote: > > On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: > > > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc > > > > Suggestions? > > The expire field in /etc/master.passwd. passwd(5) for details. > Radius does not use the expire field, therefor users are able to call in if radius authenticated terminalservers are used. -- Þórður Ívarsson Thordur Ivarsson Rafeindavirki Electronic technician Norðurgötu 30 Nordurgotu 30 Box 309 Box 309 602 Akureyri 602 Akureyri Ísland Iceland --------------------------------------------- FreeBSD has good features, Some others are full of unwanted features! --------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 19:15:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA00359 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:15:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from moat.teksupport.net.au (moat.teksupport.net.au [203.17.1.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA00352 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:15:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robseco@wizard.teksupport.net.au) Received: from magician.teksupport.net.au (magician.teksupport.net.au [192.168.1.2]) by moat.teksupport.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03949 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:45:47 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801102245.JAA03949@moat.teksupport.net.au> X-Sender: robseco@moat.teksupport.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:45:36 +1000 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Rob Secombe Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 06:11 10-01-98 -0800, you wrote: >How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively >easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their >respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message >but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers >so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc > >Suggestions? > We suspend accounts by prepending the user's password with an '*' followed by the initials of the person that did it. Our accounting system also does this once a prepaid facility has beed exhausted. eg. in the case of md5 1$1........ gets set to *rs1$1.......... Rob. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 19:15:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA00394 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:15:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA00389 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:15:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA16796; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma016792; Sat Jan 10 15:09:15 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA24825; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:09:15 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199801102309.PAA24825@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> from David Hawkins at "Jan 10, 98 06:11:10 am" To: dhawk@river.org (David Hawkins) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:09:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Hawkins writes: > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc Don't change their .cshrc or .profile.. those are personal files. Instead, using vipw(8), change their shells and/or replace their password fields with an asterisk. For example, look at the "bin" password entry: bin:*:3:7:Binaries Commands and Source,,,:/:/nonexistent -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 19:16:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA12859 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:18:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from didda.est.is (didda.est.is [194.144.208.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA12826 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:18:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from totii@est.is) Received: from est.is (didda.est.is [192.168.255.1]) by didda.est.is (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02545; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:17:29 GMT (envelope-from totii@est.is) Message-ID: <34B7E569.6EE16600@est.is> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:17:29 +0000 From: "Þorður Ivarsson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jack CC: David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jack wrote: > > On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: > > > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their > > respective .cshrc and .profile with exec /bin/cat goaway.message > > but one has gotten around that. I also add them to /etc/ftpusers > > so they can't use delete in ftp to remove the .cshrc > > > > Suggestions? > > The expire field in /etc/master.passwd. passwd(5) for details. > Radius does not use the expire field, therefor users are able to call in if radius authenticated terminalservers are used. -- Þórður Ívarsson Thordur Ivarsson Rafeindavirki Electronic technician Norðurgötu 30 Nordurgotu 30 Box 309 Box 309 602 Akureyri 602 Akureyri Ísland Iceland --------------------------------------------- FreeBSD has good features, Some others are full of unwanted features! --------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 19:22:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA01612 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:22:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from gargoyle.bazzle.com (gargoyle.bazzle.com [206.103.246.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA01603 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:22:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejc@bazzle.com) Received: (qmail 11763 invoked from network); 11 Jan 1998 01:29:06 -0000 Received: from gargoyle.bazzle.com (206.103.246.189) by gargoyle.bazzle.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 1998 01:29:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Eric J. Chet" To: Marcin Pasek cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Limit directory access..... In-Reply-To: <34B7ABC4.C4E@v-m.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello With ftp you can chroot to there home directory. Eric Chet -- ejchet@lucent.com || ejc@bazzle.com Systems Analysts - Specializing in OOA, OOD and CORBA Bazzle Systems Consulting, Inc. Software Engineering Services Empowering Your Business for Internet Commerce On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Marcin Pasek wrote: > Is anyone know how to restrict a user from browsing diffrent directories > so if the person has a home directory set to /home/user1 he would not be > able to go to other directories /home/user2 or / ...Maybe I am duing > soemthing wrong with the chmod command...And if there is a way around > this can I applay that to telnet and FTP sessions... > > Marcin > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 19:25:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA02444 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:25:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02420 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:25:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14931; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:57:20 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:57:19 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: David Hawkins cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <199801101411.GAA17813@ohio.river.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, David Hawkins wrote: > How do you lock out a person for nonpay so that it's relatively > easy to reactivate their account later? I tried replacing their Run 'chsh fred' where fred is the name of the user, and set Expire to 1. That means that their account expired in 1970 and they can't log in. To reinstate the account, remove the expiry time. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 20:47:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA12281 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:47:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from eharden.com (eharden.com [207.193.60.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA12263 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bad@uhf.wireless.net) Received: from uhf.wireless.net (pp1.eharden.com [207.193.60.147]) by eharden.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12991; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:49:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wireless.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA02260; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:54:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:54:55 -0600 (CST) From: Bernie Doehner To: Alan Batie cc: Norman C Rice , David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <19980110103848.00312@agora.rdrop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/SIGNED; PROTOCOL="application/pgp-signature"; MICALG=pgp-md5; BOUNDARY=Agd0e35j3NYeGe4z Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --Agd0e35j3NYeGe4z Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: > All these complicated solutions when there's one already built into the > password file: the expiration date. I set up user's accounts so they > expire at a certain time, and when they send more money, I adjust the > expiration accordingly. That way the system automatically handles it, > and all I have to is the odd "oh please the check's in the mail and I > really need my email" extensions at the beginning of the month. I keep > the paid-for expiration date in a separate file with scripts to munge > things in batches for payment processing. > I was going to say the same thing, however I tested it and for some stupid reason you can still ssh into an expired account.. Haven't looked into it yet. Bernie --Agd0e35j3NYeGe4z Content-Type: APPLICATION/PGP-SIGNATURE Content-ID: Content-Description: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNLfAOIv4wNua7QglAQF8dgP/QWZfAtNHe0m9QFbcmkKzJes30oSU3TqO 4zqEkUIU8xDwB+haCF8fccqBjiO/QcvCh2xZi1AbVhVVO9vW8iSMvL/sjbTriBhx /FIFxpInVri9rfIYglU9cTQyMT8eF5r8z6FxmKTpI9YtvVacBi5PP4AXisQmAEFh dPwmG1NMxEU= =ilH1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Agd0e35j3NYeGe4z-- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 22:40:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA23947 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:40:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mx.calweb.com (mx.calweb.com [208.131.56.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA23873 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:40:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdugaue@calweb.com) Received: by mx.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA08765; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:38:49 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo web1.calweb.com from rdugaue@calweb.com server rdugaue@web1.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.51 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Du Gaue To: Alan Batie cc: Norman C Rice , David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <19980110103848.00312@agora.rdrop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > All these complicated solutions when there's one already built into the > password file: the expiration date. I set up user's accounts so they > expire at a certain time, and when they send more money, I adjust the I believe this only works for a shell user. When the user PPPs in using Radius authentication from some terminal server like a Portmaster I don't believe Radius uses the exp date. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 22:58:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA26195 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:58:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (0@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA26181 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:58:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05021; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:57:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980110225745.16698@agora.rdrop.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:57:45 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: Edwin Culp Cc: Diana , "Stephen A. Derdau" , David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? References: <34B7C04C.6426ECA6@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary="jkv9qwOGw/5FxP+3" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76 In-Reply-To: <34B7C04C.6426ECA6@ver1.telmex.net.mx>; from Edwin Culp on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 12:39:08PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --jkv9qwOGw/5FxP+3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 12:39:08PM -0600, Edwin Culp wrote: > Why not create a state of limbo that > will maintain internal communications with the customer but only permite > external communications that you authorize that can be reduced by time I have a captive login "message" that allows them to enter a message which is sent to me. If there's a dispute, I can extend the account for a few days while it's resolved. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. --jkv9qwOGw/5FxP+3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNLhtaIv4wNua7QglAQHUDwP/SjHkCQQqYRL5ybgCpW6pCrAdm65hHQXL kCNh7BR8dRi/ZjKEXrYQy+8mzQ8RkVP1JbTf6GW9oVgkkATrYq1eMijBN1aD2Np3 wTW0ussoNLtKF3UfXsQo7GvoiNNg7Z/JVHOvVWjx4Svd0PqWl1p0KJEpYBguRtbt SBfAmp9mHy8= =xiWd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jkv9qwOGw/5FxP+3-- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 10 23:02:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA26613 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from c-serv1.sopris.net (c-serv1.sopris.net [209.38.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA26590 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:02:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@comsys.com) From: alex@comsys.com Received: from alexhupp.comsys.com (201-170-209.ipt.aol.com [152.201.170.209]) by c-serv1.sopris.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA07022 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:02:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34B86D45.643D@comsys.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:02:22 -0800 Reply-To: alex@comsys.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: multi-port Ethernet cards ?? Anyone have them or want to develop them? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We're again looking at the requirements for a ISP box that has 8 Ethernet ports. We'd like to run FreeBSD in the box, prefer Intel or Digital 10/100 Mbit Ethernet controllers - 4 per board would be good. Priced around $300 each. If there's someone interested in developing such a card we'd can participate. Please contact me directly. If there's something out there already that fits the bill, we'd buy rather than build. -Alex ------ CSR Communication Systems Research, Corp. 503-224-4789