From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 31 10:41:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18721 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 31 May 1998 10:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.keyworld.net (root@mail.keyworld.net [194.21.164.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18706; Sun, 31 May 1998 10:41:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from psycho@keyworld.net) Received: from chrism (ppp71.keyworld.net [194.21.164.134]) by mail.keyworld.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA07000; Sun, 31 May 1998 19:36:32 +0200 Message-Id: <199805311736.TAA07000@mail.keyworld.net> From: "Christopher Martin at Home" To: "Blaine Minazzi" , "Gary Palmer" Cc: Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:41:16 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > That is because alter.net does not sell dialup directly. They sell > > them to resellers. While the reseller contract they use could probably > > be beefed up a bit, if the reseller doesn't act UUNet is kinda stuck. > > No, they could terminate the resellers connection if the reseller does > not enforce the AUP. > A reseller, if most of his customers are legit, will not risk loosing > his business over a few spammers. > > They appear to not be willing to do this, and, in turn, we all lose. > > We get spammed, and our services stolen. > They get the bucks for hosting the theives. > And we don't do anything about it, because it might cost us something. > > Sorry state of affairs, is it not? I agree totally. Being a recent victim illicit smtp server use for spam relaying in a region where shitty bandwidth costs big bucks, I assure you that I saw our transmissions (output) from our server farm max out for periods of 18 hours sometimes. I say the law is on the side of the upstream provider, and resellers are law-bound to follow their upstream's policies and ensure that their customers are doing so as well. Uniform code of ethics is probably required. Youse are all tecchies. Some good hardcore legal codexes should be applied though. More important. Otherwise no liability. -- Christopher Martin BDM -KeyWORLD http://www.keyworld.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message