From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 17 01:42:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07905 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:42:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unitele.com.my ([202.185.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07900 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from s9812994@jc.unitele.com.my) Received: from cits.jc.unitele.com.my (root@cits.jc.unitele.com.my [202.185.131.5]) by unitele.com.my (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22447 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:41:28 GMT Received: from ultra-27 by cits.jc.unitele.com.my (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA04169; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:42:42 +0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980817083916.0067f570@jc.unitele.com.my> X-Sender: s9812994@jc.unitele.com.my X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:39:16 +0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dinesh a/l Sathyamoorthy Subject: Query Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have heard that the latest ip, ipv6 is now being tested. What are the advantages of this new version of ip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 17 14:21:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22669 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firestorm.exit109.com (firestorm.exit109.com [208.225.64.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22661 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@exit109.com) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by firestorm.exit109.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA19457 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:20:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: tape device busy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org every once in a while, i get this error when i go to perform a backup: mt: /dev/rst0: Device busy Is there anyway to reset the device on the machine without rebooting it? -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 17 16:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA15123 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:11:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from drew.doit.wisc.edu (drew.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.30.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15093; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeffb@doit.wisc.edu) Received: (from jeffb@localhost) by drew.doit.wisc.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/drew-v2) id RAA02163; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:49:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeffb) From: Jeff Bartig Message-Id: <199808172249.RAA02163@drew.doit.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: tape device busy In-Reply-To: from Chris at "Aug 17, 1998 5:20:45 pm" To: chris@exit109.com (Chris) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:49:14 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL45 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris said on freebsd-isp: > every once in a while, i get this error when i go to perform a backup: > > mt: /dev/rst0: Device busy > > Is there anyway to reset the device on the machine without rebooting it? I'm copying this response to freebsd-scsi also, since that is where I thought to search when I was having this problem recently. I have been having possibily the same problem with 3 Seagate STD28000N DAT drives. Two drives had version 6500 firmware, while the other had version 6280. Processes like mt and rmt (rdump or gtar initiated) were hanging on three similarily configured FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE systems. Once the process hung, I was unable to kill it. Running ps showed that the process was in the "D" STATe (disk or other short term, uninterruptible wait). Since these processes still had the /dev/rst0 device open, I would get the "Device busy" errors. The only solution I could find was to reboot the system. There wasn't any pattern to when the problem would occur. Some backups would work fine and the problem wouldn't appear for days at a time. Searching with DejaNews came up with some postings suggesting that the Archive Python DAT drives (which the Seagate is a decendant of) had problems with command tag queueing. I sent an e-mail to Seagate tech support about the problem. Seagate didn't answer many of the questions I asked, but did include the firmware upgrade I requested. I installed the firmware upgrade to version 658A. It required using a DOS boot disk with ASPI drivers loaded on it. I have now been running for 8 days using the new firmware. I have not had a single problem with the mt or rmt processes locking up. My busiest tape drive writes multiple tar/dumps onto 3 or more tapes a night. Since I did the upgrade, I seem to be having many less tape problems overall. I'm going to run for a while longer before I assume that I have found the solution to my problems. Hopefully this is the answer. Jeff -- Jeff Bartig | University of Wisconsin - Madison 1210 W Dayton, Rm 3219 | Division of Information Technology Work Phone: (608) 262-8336 | Network Engineering Technology E-Mail: jeffb@doit.wisc.edu | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 17 16:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA15829 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:16:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [207.217.224.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15820 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:15:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from admin (admin.westbend.net [207.217.224.195]) by mail.westbend.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA20062; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:15:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <006401bdca34$c32f2980$c3e0d9cf@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "Dinesh a/l Sathyamoorthy" Cc: Subject: Re: Query Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:14:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Dinesh a/l Sathyamoorthy >I have heard that the latest ip, ipv6 is now being tested. What are the >advantages of this new version of ip > The biggest advantage is that it allows more IP addresses than IPv4. As IPv4 is currently starting to run out of available IP Addresses. Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 17 22:34:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02236 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from io.jovian.net (io.jovian.net [216.0.129.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02227 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tpm@jovian.net) Received: from io.jovian.net (tpm@io.jovian.net [216.0.129.15]) by io.jovian.net (8.8.8/jovian-custom_v2.0-antispam-antirelay) with SMTP id BAA09531; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:36:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Mullaney To: Communications ITAB cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FrontPage for UNIX Mailing List In-Reply-To: <19980818152449.42638@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I will forward my post and your suggestion directly to the freebsd-isp list. Thanks for the heads up! Attention FreeBSD-ISP's: Below is a copy of a post I made to the BSDI-USERS list regarding a Front Page Extensions discussion list I hosts. -- Tom Mullaney Jovian Networks, LLC nic: TM6112 Townsend, MA 01469-1182 icq: 16671357 (978) 597-0200 aim: joviannet http://www.jovian.net -- Unix, networking, administration, consulting, programming, Internet services On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Communications ITAB wrote: > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:24:49 +1000 > From: Communications ITAB > To: Tom Mullaney > Subject: Re: FrontPage for UNIX Mailing List > > On Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 12:34:26AM -0400, Tom Mullaney wrote: > > There has been for quite sometime a listserv based Frontpage list on > > io.jovian.net called fpunix-l which was setup with digest ability and > > online searchable archives. > > > > If anyone cares to subscribe send email to listserv@jovian.net with > > 'subscribe fpunix-l' > > > > The list was created to support FreeBSD abd BSD/OS ISP's directly. We > > also have several dozen different mailing lists that cover everthing from > > CGI to SSI and more! > > There's a fairly large mailing list freebsd-isp@freebsd.org. You don't have > to subscribe to post to the list. If you feel like writing a brief note to > that address they might be pleased to hear of your list. > > > > -- > Regards, > -*Sue*- > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 03:04:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA28352 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:04:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA28347 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:04:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from pipeline.ch ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA343 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:02:21 +0200 Message-ID: <35D95137.26B429E7@pipeline.ch> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:02:31 +0200 From: Andre Oppermann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Measuring transferred bytes on a interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello guys I have a problem here with one of my customers, he dosn't accept our volume charged bill and I have to prove the used gigabytes. Let me describe the setup in short: FreeBSD router box Cisco1 ---256k---> | --> ar0 | | ipfw fxp0 --> | ---Hub---> Sun 2.5.1 UE Cisco2 ---256k---> | --> ar1 | OK, now I'm measuring the traffic with 'ipfw show' and 'netstat -ib'. The problem is that the customer simply looks into the logfile of his poorly set up (logs only some cgi's) webserver and refuses to pay my bill's because he says he sees only about 1/3 of the traffic. Now I don't want to loose that customer and I'm looking for a way to read out the bytecounter of the ethernet interface of the Sun. The problem is that netstat on Solaris 2.5.1 shows only the transmitted packets but not the transmitted bytes. Is there any way to get the bytecounts out of that crappy Solaris box? TIA -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 07:11:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23588 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:11:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23573 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:11:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13266; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:10:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Andre Oppermann cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Measuring transferred bytes on a interface In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:02:31 +0200." <35D95137.26B429E7@pipeline.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:10:39 -0400 Message-ID: <13262.903449439@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andre Oppermann wrote in message ID <35D95137.26B429E7@pipeline.ch>: > Is there any way to get the bytecounts out of that crappy Solaris > box? You may be able to get the stats if you put a freeware SNMP daemon on there, however last time someone at work did this they got total bytes (both in an out) in one var. I dunno if you can do what you want. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 14:21:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28349 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:21:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.craxx.com (craxx.com [195.108.198.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28336 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lva@dds.nl) Received: from uptight (classless.student.utwente.nl [130.89.230.96]) by mail.craxx.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA19313 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:21:00 +0200 From: "laurens van alphen" To: Subject: traffic accounting for interface aliases (how?) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:20:38 +0200 Message-ID: <001901bdcaee$0b8fe9d0$0a00a8c0@uptight.student.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hiya, we're a webdesign and hosting provider moving from linux to freebsd. while we're really satisfied with freebsd, we'd like you ideas about traffic accounting for interface aliases. example: for virtual hosting we alias up to a full c class to a single interface using the ifconfig ed0 inet a.b.c.d netmask 0xffffffff alias command. now we'd like to produce statistics on the amount of bytes (octets, not packets) transferred from and to each ip individually. thus if:ip:octetsin:octestout ed0:192.168.0.1:4342:3125 ed0:192.168.0.2:7654:5435 . . . etc. currently we're looking at a ucd-snmpd/mrtg solution but it seems snmp only provides numbers for the entire interface (ed0 in this case, not every single ip). we use ipfw for firewalling, can i add rules for octet counting? could someone provide examples? what do you guys use? cheers, -- laurens van alphen craxx e-consultants alphen@craxx.com http://craxx.com/ -- the information contained in this communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. it is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorised to receive it. if you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. craxx is either liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 14:51:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04639 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:51:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.eaznet.com ([216.19.20.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04612 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (admin.eaznet.com [216.19.20.16]) by amber.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22012 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:52:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35D9F830.C0A41637@eaznet.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:54:56 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: email & web slow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm a small ISP running FreeBSD 2.2.2 on a PP180, 64MB RAM, 3COM XL Combo NIC, Adaptec 2940UW, 2 - 2.1G Ultra SCSI Hard Drives. This server acts as a: 1) Radius Auth Server 2) Web Host (Apache) 3) Mail Host (Qpopper, SMTP) When our dial up service gets busy, qpopper and Apache tend to slow down noticably. I've checked things out with TOP and the CPU stays over 90% idle even during peak times. Would adding another NIC and moving mail to that interface help speed things up? I'm not real certain where the bottleneck lies. The console seems to run fine and disk activity isn't overabundant. Any ideas? We're running 10baseT at the moment but our collision rates don't seem high. Our PM3 reports the following: Name Ipkts Ierrs Opkts Oerrs Collis Resets Queue ether0 22518117 25 24316822 7 88014 16 0 Thanks -- Eddie Fry EAZNet Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 15:00:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07325 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07261 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA290183750; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:55:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:55:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Andre Oppermann Cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Measuring transferred bytes on a interface In-Reply-To: <35D95137.26B429E7@pipeline.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SNMP? Just a thought. On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Andre Oppermann wrote: > Now I don't want to loose that customer and I'm looking for a way to > read out the bytecounter of the ethernet interface of the Sun. The > problem is that netstat on Solaris 2.5.1 shows only the transmitted > packets but not the transmitted bytes. > > Is there any way to get the bytecounts out of that crappy Solaris > box? - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 16:05:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22830 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:05:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (aniwa.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22803 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:05:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA19936; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 03:16:47 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 03:16:47 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: laurens van alphen cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: traffic accounting for interface aliases (how?) In-Reply-To: <001901bdcaee$0b8fe9d0$0a00a8c0@uptight.student.utwente.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, laurens van alphen wrote: > currently we're looking at a ucd-snmpd/mrtg solution but it seems snmp only > provides numbers for the entire interface (ed0 in this case, not every > single ip). > > we use ipfw for firewalling, can i add rules for octet counting? could > someone provide examples? ipfw counts both packets and octets eg: ipfw add 1000 count ip from any to $ip1 ipfw add 1001 count ip from $ip1 to any ipfw add 1010 count ip from any to $ip2 ipfw add 1011 count ip from $ip2 to any ipfw add 1020 count ip from any to $ip3 ipfw add 1021 count ip from $ip3 to any ipfw add 1030 count ip from any to $ip4 ipfw add 1031 count ip from $ip4 to any etc. you then want a root crontab which does something like: ( echo ; date ; ipfw show ) >> traffic.log ; ipfw zero Finally you probably want a simple perl script to process the output and do something suitable with it. Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 16:37:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28593 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:37:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28577 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:36:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA21761; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:36:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) To: Eddie Fry cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: email & web slow In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:54:56 PDT." <35D9F830.C0A41637@eaznet.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:36:03 -0400 Message-ID: <21757.903483363@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eddie Fry wrote in message ID <35D9F830.C0A41637@eaznet.com>: > When our dial up service gets busy, qpopper and Apache tend to slow down > noticably. I've checked things out with TOP and the CPU stays over 90% > idle even during peak times. Would adding another NIC and moving mail > to that interface help speed things up? I'm not real certain where the > bottleneck lies. The console seems to run fine and disk activity isn't > overabundant. Any ideas? We're running 10baseT at the moment but our > collision rates don't seem high. Our PM3 reports the following: check systat -v 1 ... I bet you are bottling on Ddisk I/O... you may even be running out of memory in that configuration. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 16:39:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28986 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from s2.ijs.com (s2.ijs.com [205.149.188.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28981 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jivko@ijs.com) From: jivko@ijs.com Received: from lapatopa1 (laptop.ijs.com [205.149.188.23]) by s2.ijs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03900; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:38:36 GMT Message-Id: <199808181638.QAA03900@s2.ijs.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:38:52 -0700 To: Andre Oppermann Subject: Re: Measuring transferred bytes on a interface Cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" In-Reply-To: References: <35D95137.26B429E7@pipeline.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Now I don't want to loose that customer and I'm looking for a way to >> read out the bytecounter of the ethernet interface of the Sun. The >> problem is that netstat on Solaris 2.5.1 shows only the transmitted >> packets but not the transmitted bytes. >> >> Is there any way to get the bytecounts out of that crappy Solaris >> box? Take a look at trafshow (ftp://ftp.kiae.su/unix/tcpip/netmaint/) It is not the best way to do what you need, but it does a good job. For the things you need to do you might need to modify the code a bit (At least I needed to change it so that it would create a log file and make it run as a daemon). Also you may want to take a look at tcpdump - produces a lot more information than the above, which you would most likely not need. Jivko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 17:26:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08692 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (aniwa.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08616 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:26:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA21085; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:37:46 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:37:45 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Eddie Fry cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: email & web slow In-Reply-To: <35D9F830.C0A41637@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Eddie Fry wrote: > When our dial up service gets busy, qpopper and Apache tend to slow down > noticably. I've checked things out with TOP and the CPU stays over 90% > idle even during peak times. Would adding another NIC and moving mail > to that interface help speed things up? I'm not real certain where the > bottleneck lies. The console seems to run fine and disk activity isn't > overabundant. Any ideas? We're running 10baseT at the moment but our > collision rates don't seem high. Our PM3 reports the following: I don't know much about qpopper, but have been working on improving Apache's performance over the last few days. The httpd seems to be light on cpu, and I expect a disk bottleneck to kick in before I get close to a CPU bottleneck. The biggest win for me was finding the limit on the maximum number of child processes the httpd and children could spawn (the limit check is based on the number of processes currently running under the same UID, not the number of actual child processes, although the size of the limit is passed to children across suid boundaries). To check your current limit, run a cgi like so: ------------- #!/bin/sh echo Content-Type: text/plain echo limits ------------- You'll get something like this back: Resource limits (current): cputime infinity secs filesize infinity kb datasize-cur 16384 kb stacksize-cur 8192 kb coredumpsize infinity kb memoryuse-cur 30720 kb memorylocked-cur 10240 kb maxprocesses-cur 64 openfiles-cur 64 These values are dependent on the maxuser setting in your kernel. I haven't yet rebuiilt the kernel, but putting "ulimit -S -u 256" in my apachectl script just before starting the httpd seems to work ok. This doesn't effect other processes running under the same UID though, which for me affects mostly cron jobs. In some cases I've put the ulimit command into the cron job as well, and in others I'm happy to have them fail when the server is running hot. Most of the time the server runs only 15 or so httpd processes, but every so often it'll get busy doing something, and a couple of hundred httpd's appear. Andrew McNaughton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 18:25:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18498 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:25:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from visio.c3.hu (visio.c3.hu [194.38.96.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18478 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:25:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pisti@visio.c3.hu) Received: (from pisti@localhost) by visio.c3.hu (8.9.1/8.9.1/C3) id DAA14479; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 03:24:27 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 03:24:26 +0200 From: Pecsenyanszky Istvan X-Sender: pisti@visio.c3.hu To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: file system full Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, today my console filled up with "/home: file system full" messages. The /home partition is at 98%, near full, but and there is appr. 700MB free space yet, leastwise df shows so. Could anybody enlighten me, why can't use the system the rest 700MB? Thank you, Istvan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 19:12:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26809 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrtg.senet.com.au (mrtg.senet.com.au [203.56.239.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA26795 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@senet.com.au) Received: from foo.senet.com.au (IDENT:chris@foo.senet.com.au [203.34.34.35]) by mrtg.senet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA23283; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:41:56 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:41:14 +0930 (CST) From: Chris Foote To: Pecsenyanszky Istvan cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file system full In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Pecsenyanszky Istvan wrote: > today my console filled up with "/home: file system full" messages. > The /home partition is at 98%, near full, but and there is appr. 700MB > free space yet, leastwise df shows so. > > Could anybody enlighten me, why can't use the system the rest 700MB? Some space is reserved for root that normal users are unable to use. Using 'tunefs' with the -m option, you should be able to reduce the space reserved for root on an existing parition. Cheers, Chris Foote SE Net Technical Manager 222 Grote Street SE Network Access Adelaide SA 5000 e-mail chris@senet.com.au Australia phone : (08) 8221 5221 PGP Public Key available from fax: (08) 8221 5220 http://www.senet.com.au/PGP support: (08) 8221 5792 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 18 20:47:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11298 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:47:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11293 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: (from shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11674; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980818205101.63113@cpl.net> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:51:01 -0700 From: Shawn Ramsey To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: INV ARP REQUEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are getting the following about every minute : Aug 18 20:01:28 solo /kernel: INV ARP REQUEST received.. Can someone tell me where this might be coming from?? This is a router(ET Inc) running gated. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 05:51:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04816 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 05:51:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from med.osd.mil (dsserver.med.osd.mil [161.14.8.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA04810 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 05:51:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpotts@med.osd.mil) Received: from ae1970.med.osd.mil by med.osd.mil with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA07272; Wed, 19 Aug 98 08:48:10 -0400 From: "Ross Potts, CON, EDS/D-SIDDOMS" Message-Id: <9808190848.ZM-148297@161.14.168.22> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:48:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: Chris Foote "Re: file system full" (Aug 19, 11:41am) References: X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: Chris Foote , Pecsenyanszky Istvan Subject: Re: file system full Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Some space is reserved for root that normal users are unable to use. >Using 'tunefs' with the -m option, you should be able to reduce the >space reserved for root on an existing parition. That could come back to bite you when the filesystem does get full. That extra space reserved for root is very helpful in that sutuation. -- Potts, Ross A. Internet : Ross.Potts@med.osd.mil EDS-D/SIDDOMS Phone : (703) 824-7601 Skyline Two, Suite 1200 Beeper : (888) 687-2709 5113 Leesburg Pike, FAX : (703) 824-4155 Falls Church, VA 22041 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 06:39:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10673 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:39:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from visio.c3.hu (visio.c3.hu [194.38.96.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10667 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:39:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pisti@visio.c3.hu) Received: (from pisti@localhost) by visio.c3.hu (8.9.1/8.9.1/C3) id PAA14818; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:37:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:37:58 +0200 From: Pecsenyanszky Istvan To: Chris Foote cc: Pecsenyanszky Istvan , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file system full In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Old-From: Pecsenyanszky Istvan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Chris Foote wrote: > Some space is reserved for root that normal users are unable to use. > Using 'tunefs' with the -m option, you should be able to reduce the > space reserved for root on an existing parition. Even root cannot write on the file system. Incidentally I've created this file system with `newfs -m 0', so 0% reserved for root. # dd if=/dev/zero of=dummy.tmp /home: write failed, file system is full dd: dummy.tmp: No space left on device 15+0 records in 14+0 records out 7168 bytes transferred in 0.001444 secs (4964050 bytes/sec) # df . Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0s1e 36790190 35423783 1366407 96% /home # now I have 1.3GB unusable space :( Thank you, Istvan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 06:59:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15168 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from si-net.com (si-net.com [208.196.38.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15162 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:59:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mascott@si-net.com) Received: from si-net.com (ascend43.si-net.com [208.196.38.73]) by si-net.com (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27866 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:02:14 GMT Message-ID: <35DACCC1.A09FE086@si-net.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:01:54 -0400 From: Mike Scott Reply-To: mascott@si-net.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: e-mail time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a quick question. I have had some customers say the e-mail receive time is off by 5 hours or so(ahead). I have check the time on my server and everything looks file. Anyone have any ideas. Thanks, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 08:16:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27926 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hera.webcom.com (hera.webcom.com [209.1.28.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27904 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:16:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by hera.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA25574; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:15:33 -0700 Received: from [199.183.207.42] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 2863388; Wed Aug 19 08:14 PDT 1998 Message-Id: <35DB1584.1733@echidna.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:12:20 -0700 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: info@boatbooks.com Subject: Rate limiting HTTP requests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there any mechanism possible in FreeBSD or Apache, for limiting the rate at which HTTP GET requests are served? Specifically, we want to accommodate search engines that try to index a large site we will host. Unfortunately, experience indicates that they may fetch data at an uncomfortably high rate. The server will be fine with this. The problem is that our bandwidth charges will be based on the 95th percentile, 5-minute traffic average. For those who aren't familiar with this, the colocation service has their router log the total upstream and downstream bits transferred through our network connection in each 5-minute interval. At the end of each calendar month, the top 5% of these 5-minute intervals (traffic-wise) are discarded, and the remaining highest value determines the billable rate in Mbps. The problem here is that historical data (on the host where the site concerned is presently) indicates the search engines create undesirable (and potentially expensive) peaks. We don't want to lock the search engines out. Ideally, we would simply degrade service to them (while maintaining full service for regular users) so as to keep the peak data rate under some set limit. The rate limiting criterion could be based on degrading service for any accessor (remote IP) generating more than a certain level of traffic on a sustained basis. I hope this is not asking too much, but from our point of view, the dollars involved could be considerable! -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 09:06:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06740 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:06:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bangkok.office.cdsnet.net (bangkok.office.cdsnet.net [204.118.245.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06735 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:06:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cts@bangkok.office.cdsnet.net) Received: (from cts@localhost) by bangkok.office.cdsnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA22563; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808191604.JAA22563@bangkok.office.cdsnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig Spannring To: Chris Foote Cc: Pecsenyanszky Istvan , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file system full In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under Emacs 20.2.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Foote writes: > On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Pecsenyanszky Istvan wrote: > > Could anybody enlighten me, why can't use the system the rest 700MB? > > Some space is reserved for root that normal users are unable to use. > Using 'tunefs' with the -m option, you should be able to reduce the > space reserved for root on an existing parition. Having a large (10%) free space threshold allows the file system to use faster allocation techniques. From the tunefs(8) man page- This value can be set to zero, however up to a factor of three in throughput will be lost over the performance obtained at a 10% threshold. Settings of 5% and less force space optimization to always be used which will greatly increase the overhead for file writes. -- ======================================================================= Life is short. | Craig Spannring Ski hard, Bike fast. | cts@internetcds.com --------------------------------+------------------------------------ Any sufficiently perverted technology is indistinguishable from Perl. ======================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 09:13:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07312 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bmccane.maxbaud.net (baud225.maxbaud.net [12.13.66.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07307 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:13:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by bmccane.maxbaud.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21068 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:13:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:13:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Wm Brian McCane To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sendmail messages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, I am getting the following message (frequently) on my web server. I assume some idiot is trying to send me mail (or is trying to use me as a relay). Anybody else see this, or know what it is? brian Aug 19 11:08:43 bmccane sendmail[20920]: LAA20920: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=, relay=root@mail.maxbaud.net [12.13.66.238], reject=451 ... Domain does not resolve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 09:15:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07573 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from martini.office.cdsnet.net (martini.office.cdsnet.net [204.118.245.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA07565 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reich@martini.office.cdsnet.net) Received: (qmail 28443 invoked by uid 1000); 19 Aug 1998 16:22:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahlon Smith X-Sender: reich@martini.cdsnet.net To: Graeme Tait cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, info@boatbooks.com Subject: Re: Rate limiting HTTP requests In-Reply-To: <35DB1584.1733@echidna.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Check out thttpd at www.acme.com. -Mahlon On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Graeme Tait wrote: > Is there any mechanism possible in FreeBSD or Apache, for limiting the > rate at which HTTP GET requests are served? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 09:52:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13804 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13791 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00996; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:51:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35DB0290.EB6BCA0@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:51:28 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wm Brian McCane CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail messages References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wm Brian McCane wrote: > > Greetings, > > I am getting the following message (frequently) on my web server. > I assume some idiot is trying to send me mail (or is trying to use me as a > relay). Anybody else see this, or know what it is? > > brian > > Aug 19 11:08:43 bmccane sendmail[20920]: LAA20920: ruleset=check_mail, > arg1=, relay=root@mail.maxbaud.net > [12.13.66.238], reject=451 ... Domain > does not resolve Yes, that would appear to be the case... The domain the mail is originating from ("savespaper.com") doesn't exist, therefore sendmail (and it looks like your running an up to date version) will bin it... We get loads here, binned because the domain doesn't exist, because the sender didn't specify an domain at all etc... ;-) Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 10:34:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22371 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22360 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:34:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA13048; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013044; Wed Aug 19 10:33:05 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA22340; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:33:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199808191733.KAA22340@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: INV ARP REQUEST In-Reply-To: <19980818205101.63113@cpl.net> from Shawn Ramsey at "Aug 18, 98 08:51:01 pm" To: shawn@cpl.net (Shawn Ramsey) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Shawn Ramsey writes: > We are getting the following about every minute : > > Aug 18 20:01:28 solo /kernel: INV ARP REQUEST received.. > > Can someone tell me where this might be coming from?? This is a router(ET > Inc) running gated. Probably easiest to just use tcpdump(8) to see where it's coming from. You need the bpf device compiled into your kernel though. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 11:56:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05637 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:56:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [206.156.231.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05612 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh@frantastic.com) Received: from localhost (josh@localhost) by elvis.mu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA23523 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:56:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from josh@frantastic.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:56:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Franta X-Sender: josh@elvis.mu.org To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INV ARP REQUEST In-Reply-To: <199808191733.KAA22340@bubba.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Shawn Ramsey writes: > > We are getting the following about every minute : > > > > Aug 18 20:01:28 solo /kernel: INV ARP REQUEST received.. > > > > Can someone tell me where this might be coming from?? This is a router(ET > > Inc) running gated. It's probably coming from the other end of an atm/x25/framerelay vc which is using inverse arp to determine the address at your end of the vc (as opposed to using a static address map). josh franta mailto:josh@frantastic.com http://josh.frantastic.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 12:09:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09198 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09160 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:09:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA03682 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:14:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:14:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ANNOUNCE: PicoBSD 0.4 is out! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am pleased to announce that new release of one-floppy FreeBSD (a.k.a PicoBSD) is now available for download. See http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ for general idea what's this all about, and http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd/ for download. You can find detailed instructions and description in http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd/doc/intro.html What's new in this release? --------------------------- * All PicoBSD floppies now use DEVFS/SLICE code, which eliminates the need to manually create missing device nodes. * Each type of floppy contains the basic set of net utilities such as: ifconfig, route, netstat, ping, traceroute * There is new type of floppy (router) which is able to provide routing services with packet filtering on a 386SX equipped with only 4MB (!) of RAM * Included in PicoBSD Development Kit is a collection of small system utilities (TinyWare), which replace their full-blown counterparts giving you their basic functionality. This includes: netstat, ps, vmstat, sh, dset... * The TinyWare collection includes custom init(8) which allows for running truly minimal system, capable of single & multi-user operation. * The TinyWare collection includes also a console graphics viewer suitable for displaying graphical presentations (ideal for a demo-floppy). * Many, many, many things were updated (such as SSH and SNMPd) and/or fixed, thanks to the comments of FreeBSD community. Thank you - without your help this project would be much less mature... * The whole project now is under CVS, you can also get a copy of CVS repository. In short, I hope that you will enjoy this release of PicoBSD. Have fun! Andrzej Bialecki PS. PicoBSD is fully under BSD license which permits use in non-commercial as well as commercial applications. +---------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | When in problem or in | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { | | Research & Academic | doubt, run in circles, | fetch("FreeBSD"); | | Network in Poland | scream and shout. | } | + --------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 12:26:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13547 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:26:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.gwinnett.com (mail.gwinnett.com [204.89.227.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13542; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lee@gwinnett.com) Received: from venus.gwinnett.com ([204.89.227.91]) by mail.gwinnett.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA07907; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:25:20 -0400 Message-ID: <35DB258C.41C67EA6@gwinnett.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:20:44 -0400 From: Lee Reese X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Web Server Linux to FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I'm in the process of converting our web server from Slackware Linux to FreeBSD (Apache). We need a down and dirty way to transfer the /etc/passwd file to a format the FreeBSD understands. Please resopnd via e-mail. Thanks. Lee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 12:57:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17480 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:57:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17472 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06877; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808192008.QAA06877@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:07:06 -0400 To: Graeme Tait , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dennis Subject: Re: Rate limiting HTTP requests Cc: info@boatbooks.com In-Reply-To: <35DB1584.1733@echidna.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:12 AM 8/19/98 -0700, Graeme Tait wrote: >Is there any mechanism possible in FreeBSD or Apache, for limiting the >rate at which HTTP GET requests are served? > >Specifically, we want to accommodate search engines that try to index a >large site we will host. Unfortunately, experience indicates that they >may fetch data at an uncomfortably high rate. > >The server will be fine with this. The problem is that our bandwidth >charges will be based on the 95th percentile, 5-minute traffic average. >For those who aren't familiar with this, the colocation service has their >router log the total upstream and downstream bits transferred through our >network connection in each 5-minute interval. At the end of each calendar >month, the top 5% of these 5-minute intervals (traffic-wise) are >discarded, and the remaining highest value determines the billable rate >in Mbps. > >The problem here is that historical data (on the host where the site >concerned is presently) indicates the search engines create undesirable >(and potentially expensive) peaks. > >We don't want to lock the search engines out. Ideally, we would simply >degrade service to them (while maintaining full service for regular >users) so as to keep the peak data rate under some set limit. The rate >limiting criterion could be based on degrading service for any accessor >(remote IP) generating more than a certain level of traffic on a >sustained basis. > >I hope this is not asking too much, but from our point of view, the >dollars involved could be considerable! We sell a software add-in to freebsd that can limit traffic from or to specific IP addresses, hosts or networks. Info at http://www.etinc.com/bwmgr.htm dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 13:01:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18390 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18384 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06957; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808192013.QAA06957@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:11:20 -0400 To: Archie Cobbs , shawn@cpl.net (Shawn Ramsey) From: Dennis Subject: Re: INV ARP REQUEST Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199808191733.KAA22340@bubba.whistle.com> References: <19980818205101.63113@cpl.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:33 AM 8/19/98 -0700, Archie Cobbs wrote: >Shawn Ramsey writes: >> We are getting the following about every minute : >> >> Aug 18 20:01:28 solo /kernel: INV ARP REQUEST received.. >> >> Can someone tell me where this might be coming from?? This is a router(ET >> Inc) running gated. > >Probably easiest to just use tcpdump(8) to see where it's coming from. >You need the bpf device compiled into your kernel though. If you're using our boards than its coming from our driver...its a warning that you have to set static DLCIs on the other end instead of using Inverse ARP. dennis > >-Archie > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 13:20:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22752 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwembaz0001.honeywell.com (hwembaz0001.cas.honeywell.com [129.239.10.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22698 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:19:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Emmanuel.Gravel@CAS.honeywell.com) Received: by hwembaz0001.Honeywell.COM with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:19:23 -0700 Message-ID: <417E587B9C99D111A1010000F803B7CE186574@az77-revere.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> From: "Gravel, Emmanuel (AZ77)" To: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: FreeBSD and Oracle Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:18:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This may at first not seem to be related to ISP matters, but in my case it will be. I'll want to tie up CGI's to an oracle database, to be able to have the power behind oracle. The amount of info I'll be dealing with will be large to begin with, and will only grow very quickly, so I don't want to have to reinvent the whell when something already exists. The only problem is I don't know if Oracle has a version out for FreeBSD yet. I know they have software for many other platforms (and very shortly including Linux) but I haven't found anything yet for FreeBSD. I don't have much experience with Oracle and my learning curve will be steep, but I'd rather learn something solid running on something just as solid and secure, rather than have to deal with things I don't trust (i.e. M$) or creating something which will prove unreliable in the long run. In essence, I'd like to know where I can find a version of Oracle for FreeBSD... Any info (or suggestions) will be greatly appreciated. Emmanuel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 13:55:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29991 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:55:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.eaznet.com ([216.19.20.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29977 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (admin.eaznet.com [216.19.20.16]) by amber.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01062 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:56:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35DB3C88.F3C13D15@eaznet.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:58:48 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (off-topic) Trendnet switches Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone tried the Trendware Trendnet switches? If so, how are they? Thanks, -- Eddie Fry EAZNet Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 14:52:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10262 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:52:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10210 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA234869636; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:47:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Andrew McNaughton Cc: Eddie Fry , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: email & web slow In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Once there was an article in one of those 'webmagazines' about configuring apache for use with FreeBSD. I'd search in freebsd-announce for it, there was more to just bumping MAXUSERS, though that was the major point. (http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html) On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Andrew McNaughton wrote: > The biggest win for me was finding the limit on the maximum number of > child processes the httpd and children could spawn (the limit check is > based on the number of processes currently running under the same UID, not > the number of actual child processes, although the size of the limit is > passed to children across suid boundaries). > > I haven't yet rebuiilt the kernel, but putting "ulimit -S -u 256" in my > apachectl script just before starting the httpd seems to work ok. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 14:56:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11026 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:56:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10999 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:56:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA236639903; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:51:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:51:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file system full In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And always remember: You can tune a fs, but you can't tune a fish. On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Chris Foote wrote: > Some space is reserved for root that normal users are unable to use. > Using 'tunefs' with the -m option, you should be able to reduce the > space reserved for root on an existing parition. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 14:58:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11382 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from timbuk-fddi.cray.com (timbuk-e1.cray.com [128.162.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11349; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from orpheus@cray.com) Received: from ledzep.cray.com (ledzep.cray.com [137.38.226.97]) by timbuk-fddi.cray.com (8.8.8/CRI-gate-news-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA11846; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:53:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sooner.cray.com (sooner.cray.com [128.162.192.29]) by ledzep.cray.com (8.8.8/craymail-smart) with ESMTP id QAA2283537; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:53:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (orpheus@localhost) by sooner.cray.com (8.8.8/CRI-client-1.4) with SMTP id QAA122403; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:53:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:53:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey Dunitz X-Sender: orpheus@sooner To: Lee Reese cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web Server Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <35DB258C.41C67EA6@gwinnett.com> Message-ID: X-Blargh: This message is blargh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Lee Reese wrote: >Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:20:44 -0400 >From: Lee Reese >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Web Server Linux to FreeBSD > >Hi. I'm in the process of converting our web server from Slackware >Linux to FreeBSD (Apache). We need a down and dirty way to transfer the >/etc/passwd file to a format the FreeBSD understands. Please resopnd >via e-mail. Thanks. I wish I could go into lots of detail here, but I can't. The difference between a linux password file and a freebsd one is that all the same information is there, but one has more fields than the other does. I've converted password files between various unices using sed and awk scripts. Here's the quickest, vaguest sed/awk lesson you'll ever get: orpheus:vi3g/BUV6Y05.:500:100:Jeffrey Dunitz:/home/orpheus:/bin/bash orpheus:mz/.Rcl79oNnS:500:100::0:0:Jeffrey Dunitz:/home/orpheus:/bin/bash So there's two example password entries, one from a standard unix password file and one from a FreeBSD master.passwd. Note that freebsd has some extra :0:0: stuff. Also notice that the fields are separated by : characters. Also note bigtime that those encrypted passwords are made up and just look like actual passwords. I'm not stupid enough to mail out my actual password file entries so that you all can try to crack them. :) Anyway... You can use awk to spit out fields and arbitrary data: cat /etc/passwd | awk -F: '{print $1":"$2}' just prints the first two fields with the colon. You have to quote the colon like that, or it won't work right. You can then figure out how to add in the extra ":0:0" stuff on your own. Should be easy. Note that there are some religious fanatics who would insist that the only way to do this right is to use Perl. Other crazies will tell you that you must use sed. I know how to do it with awk, and it took me about 45 seconds to actually figure out how to do it. It would take me another 45 to actually generate a working password file with the extra stuff in there. I don't know if I could figure out how to make perl do that same thing. I'm not a perl god. Your mileage may vary. > >Lee > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > - -- -- --- --- --- ---- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ------| -------------- Jeffrey Dunitz (orpheus@cray.com) 612-683-7266 | it's hard times Information Services | befallen the ===== Cray Research, now Silicon Graphics = == === === =====| sole survivors. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 15:02:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12117 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:02:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tahoe.cinenet.net (ns1.cinenet.net [198.147.76.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12110 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:02:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sraja@cinenet.net) Received: from hollywood.cinenet.net (hollywood.cinenet.net [198.147.76.75]) by tahoe.cinenet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29523; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sraja@localhost) by hollywood.cinenet.net (SMI-8.6/) with SMTP id PAA01835; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:02:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hollywood.cinenet.net: sraja owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Suresh Rajagopalan To: "Gravel, Emmanuel (AZ77)" cc: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Oracle In-Reply-To: <417E587B9C99D111A1010000F803B7CE186574@az77-revere.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have not done this, however, I believe you can use Oracle on FreeBSD with IBCS emulation. If there is a easier solution please let me know. It is well known that Yahoo runs on FreeBSD, and their backend DB is Oracle. So there must be FreeBSD support somewhere for Oracle, unless Yahoo is doing it differently. Suresh On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Gravel, Emmanuel (AZ77) wrote: > This may at first not seem to be related to ISP matters, but in my case it > will be. > I'll want to tie up CGI's to an oracle database, to be able to have the > power behind > oracle. The amount of info I'll be dealing with will be large to begin > with, and will > only grow very quickly, so I don't want to have to reinvent the whell when > something > already exists. The only problem is I don't know if Oracle has a version > out for > FreeBSD yet. I know they have software for many other platforms (and very > shortly > including Linux) but I haven't found anything yet for FreeBSD. I don't have > much > experience with Oracle and my learning curve will be steep, but I'd rather > learn > something solid running on something just as solid and secure, rather than > have > to deal with things I don't trust (i.e. M$) or creating something which will > prove > unreliable in the long run. > > In essence, I'd like to know where I can find a version of Oracle for > FreeBSD... > Any info (or suggestions) will be greatly appreciated. > > Emmanuel > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 15:37:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18498 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:37:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18483 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:37:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07629; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:36:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13987; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04857; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:36:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199808192236.PAA04857@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:36:00 -0700 In-Reply-To: Pecsenyanszky Istvan "Re: file system full" (Aug 19, 3:37pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Pecsenyanszky Istvan , Chris Foote Subject: Re: file system full Cc: Pecsenyanszky Istvan , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Aug 19, 3:37pm, Pecsenyanszky Istvan wrote: } Subject: Re: file system full } On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Chris Foote wrote: } } > Some space is reserved for root that normal users are unable to use. } > Using 'tunefs' with the -m option, you should be able to reduce the } > space reserved for root on an existing parition. } } Even root cannot write on the file system. } Incidentally I've created this file system with `newfs -m 0', so 0% } reserved for root. } } # dd if=/dev/zero of=dummy.tmp } /home: write failed, file system is full } dd: dummy.tmp: No space left on device } 15+0 records in } 14+0 records out } 7168 bytes transferred in 0.001444 secs (4964050 bytes/sec) } # df . } Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on } /dev/sd0s1e 36790190 35423783 1366407 96% /home } # } } now I have 1.3GB unusable space :( You've run out of free blocks. The only space left on the disk is frags (partial blocks that are allocated to hold the last bit of a file so an entire block isn't wasted). I bet your filesystem performance really sucks now because the files recently created will have their blocks scattered all over the disk, so the disk heads will thrash madly around when you access these files. Allocating space for new files is also really slow because the amount of searching that needs to be done to find free blocks. You can get up to 100% by newfs'ing and making the frag size equal to the block size. This will result in more space being wasted at the end of each file, so you'll be able to store less usable data (with smaller frags the ends of multiple files can occupy the same block), but df will say 100%. The performance will still suck, too. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 16:28:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27775 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:28:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27767 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:28:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA18314; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:58:07 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA21908; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:58:06 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980820085805.H13676@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:58:05 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Karl Pielorz , Wm Brian McCane Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail messages References: <35DB0290.EB6BCA0@tdx.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <35DB0290.EB6BCA0@tdx.co.uk>; from Karl Pielorz on Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 05:51:28PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 19 August 1998 at 17:51:28 +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Wm Brian McCane wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> >> I am getting the following message (frequently) on my web server. >> I assume some idiot is trying to send me mail (or is trying to use me as a >> relay). Anybody else see this, or know what it is? >> >> >> Aug 19 11:08:43 bmccane sendmail[20920]: LAA20920: ruleset=check_mail, >> arg1=, relay=root@mail.maxbaud.net >> [12.13.66.238], reject=451 ... Domain >> does not resolve > > Yes, that would appear to be the case... The domain the mail is originating from > ("savespaper.com") doesn't exist, therefore sendmail (and it looks like your > running an up to date version) will bin it... > > We get loads here, binned because the domain doesn't exist, because the sender > didn't specify an domain at all etc... Assume that this is a spammer. sendmail is protecting you. And he's trying to mail to you, not use you as a relay. If somebody tries to use you as a relay, you don't get informed if he is rejected. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 17:46:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11097 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:46:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from visio.c3.hu (visio.c3.hu [194.38.96.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11073 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:46:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pisti@visio.c3.hu) Received: (from pisti@localhost) by visio.c3.hu (8.9.1/8.9.1/C3) id CAA25743; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:44:53 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:44:53 +0200 From: Pecsenyanszky Istvan To: Don Lewis cc: Chris Foote , Pecsenyanszky Istvan , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file system full In-Reply-To: <199808192236.PAA04857@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Message-ID: X-Old-From: Pecsenyanszky Istvan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Don Lewis wrote: > } > Some space is reserved for root that normal users are unable to use. > } > Using 'tunefs' with the -m option, you should be able to reduce the > } > space reserved for root on an existing parition. > } > } Even root cannot write on the file system. > } Incidentally I've created this file system with `newfs -m 0', so 0% > } reserved for root. > > You've run out of free blocks. The only space left on the disk is > frags (partial blocks that are allocated to hold the last bit of > a file so an entire block isn't wasted). Yesterday, when I noticed the disk fullness for the first time, I had 700MB "free space". After that I've deleted some files, there was 5GB free. But now, when I tried `dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/x.dat' to see, how many free disk space have I really, it became full at 1.3GB, I've lost 600MB in a day. Is there any explanation? Istvan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 19:56:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27746 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:56:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27741 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:56:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhawk@ohio.river.org) Received: (from dhawk@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id TAA25029 for isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:55:51 -0700 (PDT) From: David Hawkins Message-Id: <199808200255.TAA25029@ohio.river.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Oracle To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:55:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > already exists. The only problem is I don't know if Oracle has a version > out for FreeBSD yet. I don't think they do. That leaves you with a couple of options: 1. Run the Oracle SQL server on another Unix machine (Sun, HP, AIX, etc.) and have the CGI scripts send queries/updates/reads to that port on the other machine. If you want to use Intel hardware then check Solaris and see if Oracle/Sybase/Informix have a Solaris 86 port. True, it's not FreeBSD, but for that ... 2. Use a SQL server in the ports collection. You can go ahead and download one and play with it -- it's not going to be much different going to one of the big name SQL servers later if you need to. I believe Best uses msql on their FreeBSD machines. Taking a look in /usr/ports/databases: Makefile msql p5-Msql postgresql xmysql cdb mysql p5-Mysql py-PyGreSQL xmysqladmin db p5-DBD-Pg p5-Pg tkgnats gdbm p5-DBI pgaccess typhoon gnats p5-MLDBM pkg xmbase-grok Personally I'd use postgres if I was doing this on FreeBSD. Once you know SQL (updates, queries, bulk copies, etc.) it's fairly easy to move to a different SQL server later if you need to. Disclaimer: Yes, I work for Sybase. But use Oracle if you want to. I just don't think it works on FreeBSD -- yet. later, david -- David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org http://www.river.org/~dhawk "Trouble is like a sieve through which we sift our acquaintances. Those too big to pass through are our friends." -- Arlene Francis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 21:00:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07478 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07461 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17935; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:59:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19980819205958.C17826@mooseriver.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:59:58 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: David Hawkins , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Oracle Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <199808200255.TAA25029@ohio.river.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199808200255.TAA25029@ohio.river.org>; from David Hawkins on Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 07:55:50PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 07:55:50PM -0700, David Hawkins wrote: > > already exists. The only problem is I don't know if Oracle has a version > > out for FreeBSD yet. > > I don't think they do. That leaves you with a couple of options: > > 1. Run the Oracle SQL server on another Unix machine (Sun, HP, AIX, > etc.) and have the CGI scripts send queries/updates/reads to that port > on the other machine. If you want to use Intel hardware then check > Solaris and see if Oracle/Sybase/Informix have a Solaris 86 port. > True, it's not FreeBSD, but for that ... > There is a Linux port of Informix which can be downloaded now. I have just started to play with it so I can't form an opinion yet. The Linux port of Oracle is due out at "the end of the year". It is possible to get the SCO version of Oracle running on FreeBSD but the installation is vile. > 2. Use a SQL server in the ports collection. You can go ahead and > download one and play with it -- it's not going to be much different > going to one of the big name SQL servers later if you need to. > I believe Best uses msql on their FreeBSD machines. Taking a look in > /usr/ports/databases: > Makefile msql p5-Msql postgresql xmysql > cdb mysql p5-Mysql py-PyGreSQL xmysqladmin > db p5-DBD-Pg p5-Pg tkgnats > gdbm p5-DBI pgaccess typhoon > gnats p5-MLDBM pkg xmbase-grok > > Personally I'd use postgres if I was doing this on FreeBSD. > Once you know SQL (updates, queries, bulk copies, etc.) it's > fairly easy to move to a different SQL server later if you need to. > I use MySQL. It's pretty good but it is not fully ANSI SQL complient. The big things missing are; Triggers, Stored Procedures, Rollbacks, Transactions, and Select Into's. > > Disclaimer: Yes, I work for Sybase. But use Oracle if you want to. > I just don't think it works on FreeBSD -- yet. Maybe you should a bug in your bosses ear about a port to either Linux or FreeBSD ;-) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 19 23:41:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02424 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:41:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from main.piter.net (main.piter.net [195.201.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02395 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:41:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyril@main.piter.net) Received: (from cyril@localhost) by main.piter.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA23380; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:47:12 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from cyril) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:47:12 +0400 (MSD) From: "Cyril A. Vechera" Message-Id: <199808200647.KAA23380@main.piter.net> To: graeme@echidna.com Subject: Re: Rate limiting HTTP requests Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is there any mechanism possible in FreeBSD or Apache, for limiting the > rate at which HTTP GET requests are served? try to use ipltd version 2.0 or higher (with ipfw). It can limit as bandwidth, as packets number per second. [...] > users) so as to keep the peak data rate under some set limit. The rate > limiting criterion could be based on degrading service for any accessor > (remote IP) generating more than a certain level of traffic on a > sustained basis. with ipfw you can create rules, that filters out packets from search engines (depending on its' IPs) and than divert the packets to ipltd. last ipltd verios can be found on http://sply.piter.net Sincerely your, Cyril A. Vechera email:cyril@piter.net --------- http://sply.piter.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 06:11:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13349 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 06:11:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from med.osd.mil (dsserver.med.osd.mil [161.14.8.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA13343 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 06:11:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpotts@med.osd.mil) Received: from ae1970.med.osd.mil by med.osd.mil with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA22783; Thu, 20 Aug 98 09:10:32 -0400 From: "Ross Potts, CON, EDS/D-SIDDOMS" Message-Id: <9808200910.ZM-166833@161.14.168.22> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:10:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Gravel, Emmanuel (AZ77)" "FreeBSD and Oracle" (Aug 19, 1:18pm) References: <417E587B9C99D111A1010000F803B7CE186574@az77-revere.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: "Gravel, Emmanuel (AZ77)" , "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Oracle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Remember, FBSD will run Linux and SCO binaries (both of the latter are now supported by Oracle, I believe) -- Potts, Ross A. Internet : Ross.Potts@med.osd.mil EDS-D/SIDDOMS Phone : (703) 824-7601 Skyline Two, Suite 1200 Beeper : (888) 687-2709 5113 Leesburg Pike, FAX : (703) 824-4155 Falls Church, VA 22041 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 08:22:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26420 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:22:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyclone.degnet.baynet.de (www.degnet.baynet.de [194.95.214.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA26388; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malte.lance@gmx.net) Received: from neuron.webmore.de (unverified [194.95.214.184]) by cyclone.degnet.baynet.de (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:22:30 +0200 Received: (from malte.lance@gmx.net) by neuron.webmore.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02951; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:53:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Malte Lance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:53:05 +0200 (CEST) To: Jeffrey Dunitz Cc: Lee Reese , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web Server Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <35DB258C.41C67EA6@gwinnett.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13787.62792.159201.16202@neuron.webmore.de> Reply-To: malte.lance@gmx.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeffrey Dunitz writes: > On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Lee Reese wrote: > > >Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:20:44 -0400 > >From: Lee Reese > >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Web Server Linux to FreeBSD > > > >Hi. I'm in the process of converting our web server from Slackware > >Linux to FreeBSD (Apache). We need a down and dirty way to transfer the > >/etc/passwd file to a format the FreeBSD understands. Please resopnd > >via e-mail. Thanks. > > > I wish I could go into lots of detail here, but I can't. > > The difference between a linux password file and a freebsd one is that > all the same information is there, but one has more fields than the > other does. > > I've converted password files between various unices using sed and awk > scripts. Here's the quickest, vaguest sed/awk lesson you'll ever get: > > orpheus:vi3g/BUV6Y05.:500:100:Jeffrey Dunitz:/home/orpheus:/bin/bash > orpheus:mz/.Rcl79oNnS:500:100::0:0:Jeffrey Dunitz:/home/orpheus:/bin/bash > > So there's two example password entries, one from a standard unix password > file and one from a FreeBSD master.passwd. Note that freebsd has some > extra :0:0: stuff. > Also notice that the fields are separated by : characters. > > Also note bigtime that those encrypted passwords are made up and just look > like actual passwords. I'm not stupid enough to mail out my actual password > file entries so that you all can try to crack them. :) > Anyway... There is more than this. There is an essential difference between DES-encryption and MD5-encryption of passwords. Both is possible with FreeBSD. I don't know about Linux. So far there is no easy way to convert between DES- and MD5-encryption. BTW, Jeffrey, what version of FreeBSD are you running ? Malte. > > > You can use awk to spit out fields and arbitrary data: > cat /etc/passwd | awk -F: '{print $1":"$2}' > just prints the first two fields with the colon. You have to quote the > colon like that, or it won't work right. > You can then figure out how to add in the extra ":0:0" stuff on your own. > Should be easy. > > > Note that there are some religious fanatics who would insist that the only > way to do this right is to use Perl. Other crazies will tell you that you > must use sed. I know how to do it with awk, and it took me about 45 seconds > to actually figure out how to do it. It would take me another 45 to actually > generate a working password file with the extra stuff in there. I don't know > if I could figure out how to make perl do that same thing. I'm not a perl > god. Your mileage may vary. > > > > >Lee > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > - -- -- --- --- --- ---- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ------| -------------- > Jeffrey Dunitz (orpheus@cray.com) 612-683-7266 | it's hard times > Information Services | befallen the > ===== Cray Research, now Silicon Graphics = == === === =====| sole survivors. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 08:54:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00488 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:54:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from timbuk-fddi.cray.com (timbuk-e1.cray.com [128.162.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00483; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:54:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from orpheus@cray.com) Received: from ledzep.cray.com (ledzep.cray.com [137.38.226.97]) by timbuk-fddi.cray.com (8.8.8/CRI-gate-news-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA25497; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sooner.cray.com (sooner.cray.com [128.162.192.29]) by ledzep.cray.com (8.8.8/craymail-smart) with ESMTP id KAA2330821; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (orpheus@localhost) by sooner.cray.com (8.8.8/CRI-client-1.4) with SMTP id KAA128739; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:53:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:53:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey Dunitz X-Sender: orpheus@sooner To: Malte Lance cc: Lee Reese , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web Server Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <13787.62792.159201.16202@neuron.webmore.de> Message-ID: X-Blargh: This message is blargh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Malte Lance wrote: >Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:53:05 +0200 (CEST) >From: Malte Lance >To: Jeffrey Dunitz >Cc: Lee Reese , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, > freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Web Server Linux to FreeBSD > >Jeffrey Dunitz writes: > > On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Lee Reese wrote: > > > > >Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:20:44 -0400 > > >From: Lee Reese > > > > > >Hi. I'm in the process of converting our web server from Slackware > > >Linux to FreeBSD (Apache). We need a down and dirty way to transfer the > > >/etc/passwd file to a format the FreeBSD understands. Please resopnd > > >via e-mail. Thanks. > > > > > > I wish I could go into lots of detail here, but I can't. > > > > > > So there's two example password entries, one from a standard unix password > > file and one from a FreeBSD master.passwd. Note that freebsd has some > > extra :0:0: stuff. > > Also notice that the fields are separated by : characters. > >There is more than this. There is an essential difference >between DES-encryption and MD5-encryption of passwords. Both >is possible with FreeBSD. I don't know about Linux. >So far there is no easy way to convert between DES- and >MD5-encryption. that's true; I thought of that right after I sent that mail. yesterday or a few days ago, someone asked how to set up a FreeBSD machine so that it would recognize DES passwords, but when the user changed it, it would be encrypted with MD5. Look back a few days and you should find the thread I'm talking about. > >BTW, Jeffrey, what version of FreeBSD are you running ? 2.2.6, thinking of going to 3.0. > >Malte. > > > > > > > You can use awk to spit out fields and arbitrary data: > > cat /etc/passwd | awk -F: '{print $1":"$2}' > > just prints the first two fields with the colon. You have to quote the > > colon like that, or it won't work right. > > You can then figure out how to add in the extra ":0:0" stuff on your own. > > Should be easy. > > > > > > Note that there are some religious fanatics who would insist that the only > > way to do this right is to use Perl. Other crazies will tell you that you > > must use sed. I know how to do it with awk, and it took me about 45 seconds > > to actually figure out how to do it. It would take me another 45 to actually > > generate a working password file with the extra stuff in there. I don't know > > if I could figure out how to make perl do that same thing. I'm not a perl > > god. Your mileage may vary. > > > > > > > >Lee > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > - -- -- --- --- --- ---- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ------| -------------- > > Jeffrey Dunitz (orpheus@cray.com) 612-683-7266 | it's hard times > > Information Services | befallen the > > ===== Cray Research, now Silicon Graphics = == === === =====| sole survivors. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > - -- -- --- --- --- ---- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ------| -------------- Jeffrey Dunitz (orpheus@cray.com) 612-683-7266 | it's hard times Information Services | befallen the ===== Cray Research, now Silicon Graphics = == === === =====| sole survivors. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 09:03:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02192 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phear.net (phear.net [206.58.96.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02187 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@phrantic.phear.net) Received: from jmmock (slwag2p27.ozemail.com.au [203.108.157.75]) by phear.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA00429 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:00:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@phrantic.phear.net) Message-Id: <199808201600.JAA00429@phear.net> X-Sender: jim@mail.phear.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:02:26 +1000 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jim Mock Subject: lpd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was wondering if anyone could tell me why lpd is starting on reboot when it's not specified in rc.conf or anywhere else I can find? My rc.conf file looks like this.. ############################################################## ### Miscellaneous administrative options ################### ############################################################## cron_enable="YES" # Run the periodic job daemon. lpd_enable="NO" # Run the line printer daemon. lpd_flags="" # Flags to lpd (if enabled). yet on reboot, lpd is running. I've checked rc.local, and it's not there either. The machine this is happening on was attacked by the qpopper exploit before I patched it, and it seems to have started around that time. In the meantime, qpopper's been upgraded and I'm using tcp wrappers and ipfw to keep out attackers, so there's no one else starting the process. If I manually kill it, it seems to be fine, but I'd still like to know why it's starting. Another thing I've noticed is that if I'm telnetted into the box from somewhere else, and I get disconnected or my connection drops the user stays logged in even though I try to kill the process. Nothing shows when doing ps aux | grep user for the user who's supposedly still logged in. Looking at the processes however shows telnetd still running for that user and killing it doesn't log the user out either. Any help or explanation would be appreciated. Thanks. Jim --- jim@phrantic.phear.net http://www.phear.net/ http://www.kidzhaven.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 09:16:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04304 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:16:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04299 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:16:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA) Received: from Shevchenko.Kiev.UA (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05701; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:14:43 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <35DC4B71.A943CA08@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:14:41 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gravel, Emmanuel (AZ77)" CC: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Oracle References: <417E587B9C99D111A1010000F803B7CE186574@az77-revere.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gravel, Emmanuel (AZ77) wrote: > > This may at first not seem to be related to ISP matters, but in my case it > will be. > I'll want to tie up CGI's to an oracle database, to be able to have the > power behind > oracle. The amount of info I'll be dealing with will be large to begin > with, and will > only grow very quickly, so I don't want to have to reinvent the whell when > something > already exists. The only problem is I don't know if Oracle has a version > out for > FreeBSD yet. I know they have software for many other platforms (and very > shortly > including Linux) but I haven't found anything yet for FreeBSD. I don't have > much > experience with Oracle and my learning curve will be steep, but I'd rather > learn > something solid running on something just as solid and secure, rather than > have > to deal with things I don't trust (i.e. M$) or creating something which will > prove > unreliable in the long run. > > In essence, I'd like to know where I can find a version of Oracle for > FreeBSD... > Any info (or suggestions) will be greatly appreciated. > 1. Oracle 7.3 for SCO under emulation is work well eith FreeBSD. (You need enable in kernel sysv calls, very increase shared memory and number of semaphores) Search "Oracle" in freebsd mail list archives for detailed instructions, which was posted. 2. I have unfinished RPC bridge to Oracle, (which was working for retrieve information only). I can publish this code. 3. We have CORBA CosQuery interface for ORACLE, wich would be aviable in september. But it is planned to be commercical product. 4. thin JDBC driver for ORACLE is work under FreeBSD. > Emmanuel > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- @= //RSSH mailto:Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA CORBA in Ukraine & ex-USSR: http://www.corbadev.kiev.ua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 10:46:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20614 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:46:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redwood.etool.com (redwood.etool.com [204.27.77.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA20585 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:46:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drew@mail.etool.com) Received: from [204.27.77.30] (unverified [204.27.77.30]) by redwood.etool.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:51:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Linux vs. Solaris vs. FreeBSD? I could use some help - wanna comment? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:48:39 -0600 x-sender: drew@mail.etool.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Drew Mouton To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all, I could use some opinions. I've got a mixed bag of services running RHLinux for intel and alpha (two old boxes), and recently signed a couple bigish projects that are making me take my network more seriously. Part of this deal is we rec'd a pair of multi-proc PPro boxes. Most of the stuff I run is standard internet stuff, plus a bunch of perl and some mSQL. It was only sort of by accident we became a small "ISP," but we are now, so I've got to plan for it. Except for some wacky eth probs, these Linux boxes have been pretty stable for a couple years. Anyway, now I've got to swap in these quad-proc PPros (redundant power, hotswap disks, yippee!). I've got one guy telling me to go Solaris, because it fully supports SMP, and Sun claims their Webserver is fastest on the planet. But I've never admin'd a Solaris box (although we recently added a couple older Sparcs to the office). My understanding is that SMP under the Lin 2.0x kernel is still experimental; also, I feel like I only have mediocre UN*x admin skills - that's not my main bag - but what exp I have IS with Linux. Meanwhile, I'm hearing that FreeBSD has been really tweaked as a web-server (and that Yahoo is running FreeBSD - is this true?). Ultimately, I'm aiming for the capabilities - and most importantly the _scalability_ of a bigass ISP (even though we don't do mass-market stuff), but next-to-nil admin time. So...someone be willing to share some thoughts? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 12:18:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04541 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from med.osd.mil (dsserver.med.osd.mil [161.14.8.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA04536 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:18:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpotts@med.osd.mil) Received: from ae1970.med.osd.mil by med.osd.mil with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA29288; Thu, 20 Aug 98 15:17:32 -0400 From: "Ross Potts, CON, EDS/D-SIDDOMS" Message-Id: <9808201517.ZM-240305@161.14.168.22> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:17:36 -0700 In-Reply-To: Drew Mouton "Linux vs. Solaris vs. FreeBSD? I could use some help - wanna comment?" (Aug 20, 12:48pm) References: X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: Drew Mouton , Subject: Re: Linux vs. Solaris vs. FreeBSD? I could use some help - wanna comment? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think RedHat just got permitted to release Beowulf code for the Red Hat users. Further, I think I remember reading on the Goddard Space Center HIVE site that it works well with SMP boxes. -- Potts, Ross A. Internet : Ross.Potts@med.osd.mil EDS-D/SIDDOMS Phone : (703) 824-7601 Skyline Two, Suite 1200 Beeper : (888) 687-2709 5113 Leesburg Pike, FAX : (703) 824-4155 Falls Church, VA 22041 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 13:04:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14015 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:04:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14010 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with SMTP id MAA14392; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:32:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Drew Mouton cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. Solaris vs. FreeBSD? I could use some help - wanna comment? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sun does have a good SMP support but on their native sparc platform, not x86. I don't know how well they support SMP under x86. Also, you are correct: Yahoo! is running FreeBSD. So does Hotmail. We have our SMP work done and 3.0 (which supports SMP) will be released in a couple of month. You still can install 3.0 though, it is just not released yet. You should have NO problem what-so-ever running SMP under FreeBSD at this point: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #2: Sat Aug 15 02:26:08 GMT 1998 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfec08000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 12, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfec08000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 13, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000 If you can admin Linux, you should be OK admining FreeBSD. You might see some changes, but that is why there is a LOT of docs on www.freebsd.org and you can always ask on questions@freebsd.org mailing list for help. There is not better x86 OS right now to run web server then FreeBSD and folks at www.yahoo.com, www.hotmail.com, www.best.com, www.linkexchange.com, www.this.list.can.go.on.forever.com will tell you so. -- Yan www.best.com/~jkb/ Unix users of the world unite: www.{free,open,net}bsd.org | www.linux.org | www.apache.org | www.perl.com "Turn up the lights, I don't want to go home in the dark." On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Drew Mouton wrote: >Hey all, > >I could use some opinions. > >I've got a mixed bag of services running RHLinux for intel and alpha (two >old boxes), and recently signed a couple bigish projects that are making >me take my network more seriously. Part of this deal is we rec'd a pair >of multi-proc PPro boxes. > >Most of the stuff I run is standard internet stuff, plus a bunch of perl >and some mSQL. It was only sort of by accident we became a small "ISP," >but we are now, so I've got to plan for it. Except for some wacky eth >probs, these Linux boxes have been pretty stable for a couple years. > >Anyway, now I've got to swap in these quad-proc PPros (redundant power, >hotswap disks, yippee!). I've got one guy telling me to go Solaris, >because it fully supports SMP, and Sun claims their Webserver is fastest >on the planet. But I've never admin'd a Solaris box (although we recently >added a couple older Sparcs to the office). > >My understanding is that SMP under the Lin 2.0x kernel is still >experimental; also, I feel like I only have mediocre UN*x admin skills - >that's not my main bag - but what exp I have IS with Linux. Meanwhile, >I'm hearing that FreeBSD has been really tweaked as a web-server (and >that Yahoo is running FreeBSD - is this true?). > >Ultimately, I'm aiming for the capabilities - and most importantly the >_scalability_ of a bigass ISP (even though we don't do mass-market >stuff), but next-to-nil admin time. > >So...someone be willing to share some thoughts? > >Drew > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 13:11:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15471 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redwood.etool.com (redwood.etool.com [204.27.77.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15464 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:11:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drew@mail.etool.com) Received: from [204.27.77.30] (unverified [204.27.77.30]) by redwood.etool.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:16:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: BigTime FreeBSD; was Re: Linux vs. Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:13:28 -0600 x-sender: drew@mail.etool.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Drew Mouton cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Would someone mind sharing some info as far as how the big companies are dealing with performance/availability/redundancy issues? I'm wondering about RAID/RAIC setups and such. How - for instance - did Yahoo deal with scaling up to 100gazillion request per day, and still maintain the speed and availability that they have? Drew it appears that around 8/20/98 1:32 PM, Jan B. Koum said: > There is not better x86 OS right now to run web server then >FreeBSD and folks at www.yahoo.com, www.hotmail.com, www.best.com, >www.linkexchange.com, www.this.list.can.go.on.forever.com will tell you >so. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 13:43:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20317 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20288; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA158441924; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:38:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web Server Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <13787.62792.159201.16202@neuron.webmore.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To my knowledge there is NO way to convert between DES and MD5, short of cracking and then re-encrypting. On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Malte Lance wrote: > There is more than this. There is an essential difference > between DES-encryption and MD5-encryption of passwords. Both > is possible with FreeBSD. I don't know about Linux. > So far there is no easy way to convert between DES- and > MD5-encryption. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 14:44:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00590 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:44:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00567 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:44:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with SMTP id OAA11109; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:43:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Drew Mouton cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BigTime FreeBSD; was Re: Linux vs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org AFAIK Yahoo! has many web servers doing some sort of DNS round robin or some sort of load balancing. They are your plain P/Pro boxes - don't think they are doing SMP as of yet. They are all SCSI however. Setup like this allows you to have 100 gazillion hits per day since each machine only gets fraction of hits. -- Yan www.best.com/~jkb/ Unix users of the world unite: www.{free,open,net}bsd.org | www.linux.org | www.apache.org | www.perl.com "Turn up the lights, I don't want to go home in the dark." On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Drew Mouton wrote: >Would someone mind sharing some info as far as how the big companies are >dealing with performance/availability/redundancy issues? > >I'm wondering about RAID/RAIC setups and such. How - for instance - did >Yahoo deal with scaling up to 100gazillion request per day, and still >maintain the speed and availability that they have? > >Drew > >it appears that around 8/20/98 1:32 PM, Jan B. Koum said: > >> There is not better x86 OS right now to run web server then >>FreeBSD and folks at www.yahoo.com, www.hotmail.com, www.best.com, >>www.linkexchange.com, www.this.list.can.go.on.forever.com will tell you >>so. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 15:01:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04782 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:01:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redwood.etool.com (redwood.etool.com [204.27.77.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04775 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drew@mail.etool.com) Received: from [204.27.77.30] (unverified [204.27.77.30]) by redwood.etool.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BigTime FreeBSD; was Re: Linux vs. Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:03:57 -0600 x-sender: drew@mail.etool.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Drew Mouton To: "Jan B. Koum" cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cool. I love low-tech. So Yan - how does best.com do it? Drew it appears that around 8/20/98 3:43 PM, Jan B. Koum said: > AFAIK Yahoo! has many web servers doing some sort of DNS round >robin or some sort of load balancing. They are your plain P/Pro boxes - >don't think they are doing SMP as of yet. They are all SCSI however. > Setup like this allows you to have 100 gazillion hits per day >since each machine only gets fraction of hits. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 15:23:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09679 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:23:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09668 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:23:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with SMTP id PAA19346; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:22:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Drew Mouton cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BigTime FreeBSD; was Re: Linux vs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't work for Best, but one of their top engineering people wrote an article on how exactly do they do it. It is published in 2nd issue of FreeBSD NewsLetter: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/newsletter/ Anyone trying to run an ISP should probably read it. :) -- Yan www.best.com/~jkb/ Unix users of the world unite: www.{free,open,net}bsd.org | www.linux.org | www.apache.org | www.perl.com "Turn up the lights, I don't want to go home in the dark." On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Drew Mouton wrote: >Cool. I love low-tech. > >So Yan - how does best.com do it? > >Drew >it appears that around 8/20/98 3:43 PM, Jan B. Koum said: > >> AFAIK Yahoo! has many web servers doing some sort of DNS round >>robin or some sort of load balancing. They are your plain P/Pro boxes - >>don't think they are doing SMP as of yet. They are all SCSI however. >> Setup like this allows you to have 100 gazillion hits per day >>since each machine only gets fraction of hits. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 15:31:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10658 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10651 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:31:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA01577; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:30:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:30:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199808202230.PAA01577@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: drew@etool.com Subject: Re: BigTime FreeBSD; was Re: Linux vs. Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:13:28 -0600 >From: Drew Mouton >Would someone mind sharing some info as far as how the big companies are >dealing with performance/availability/redundancy issues? It's probably not as immediately helpful as anyone would like, but *next* month's BayLISA (see http://www.baylisa.org/) meeting, on 17 September, is to be a panel discussion on the care & feeding of UNIX(-like) OSs on Intel x86 boxen (and I posted an invitation for someone to represent FreeBSD on that panel to comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc just this morning). Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 18:04:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02602 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:04:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com (garbo.lodgenet.com [204.124.122.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA02587 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnp@lodgenet.com) Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (milo.lodgenet.com [10.0.122.42]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA12886; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:57:36 -0500 Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by milo.lodgenet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08755; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:02:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808210102.UAA08755@milo.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: johnp@vwebpage.com Subject: DHCP and PPP Reply-To: johnp@lodgenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:02:38 -0500 From: John Prince Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello.. Has anyone had any luck using ppp and DHCP?? I receive IP's via dhcp, and would like to dial in to my server and get assigned an IP from the DHCP server.. This would solve some reverse lookup issues. Any Suggestions? Thanks, --John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 20:50:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26307 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tahoe.cinenet.net (ns1.cinenet.net [198.147.76.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26298 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:50:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sraja@cinenet.net) Received: from hollywood.cinenet.net (hollywood.cinenet.net [198.147.76.75]) by tahoe.cinenet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA26587 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sraja@localhost) by hollywood.cinenet.net (SMI-8.6/) with SMTP id UAA07935 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:49:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hollywood.cinenet.net: sraja owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Suresh Rajagopalan To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: swap_pager:out of swap space In-Reply-To: <199808210102.UAA08755@milo.lodgenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On our PPro box, 64Mb RAM & 150Mb swap, we are seeing this message come up frequently. The machine gets totally locked up. We are running 2.2.5 and Apache 1.3.1. It has been stable for several months but the last couple of days there has been a spike in web traffic. Is it a RAM or a swap problem? There is some discussion of this on the mailing list archives, however, no one has posted a workaround yet. Thanks Suresh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 21:01:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27897 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:01:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from natsiq.nunanet.com (natsiq.nunanet.com [199.247.47.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27891 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:01:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@nunanet.com) Received: from natsiq.nunanet.com (natsiq.nunanet.com [199.247.47.3]) by natsiq.nunanet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA28704; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:55:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:55:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Marcel Mason {Personal} To: jivko@ijs.com cc: Andre Oppermann , "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Measuring transferred bytes on a interface In-Reply-To: <199808181638.QAA03900@s2.ijs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 jivko@ijs.com wrote: > >> Is there any way to get the bytecounts out of that crappy Solaris > >> box? > > Take a look at trafshow (ftp://ftp.kiae.su/unix/tcpip/netmaint/) I've made multiple attempts to reach this site and always receive a "server returned extended information" error, do you know of an alternate site? Tnx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 21:52:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03931 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roble.com (roble.com [207.5.40.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03926 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roble.com (Roble) with SMTP id VAA12026 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BigTime FreeBSD vs... In-Reply-To: <199808202230.PAA01577@pau-amma.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Drew Mouton wrote: > >Would someone mind sharing some info as far as how the big companies are > >dealing with performance/availability/redundancy issues? There are a zillion reasons why you'd want to try each of these Unixs out and decide for yourself. Some of the things you might find are: * Solaris has the easiest installation, best patching software (sunsolve.sun.com/sunsolve/patchdiag/), best disk RAID (with ODS and VXVM) and best all-around technical support (24*7 phone support and sunsolve1.sun.com). It is also the most expensive and most likely to support commercial application X. A half dozen administrators can easily manage 500 clients, 1,000 users, dozens of applications, software and hardware running Solaris and do it far easier than on any other Unix, probably any other OS, IMHO. * FreeBSD has a lot of features, especially security features, that nobody else has. The price is right. You can recommend it for production environments. The mailing lists at freebsd.org are great for technical questions (unless you need help at 1am). The packages are fantastic. On the other hand there are a lot of poorly written packages that spray files all over the filesystem and are simply not well written. FreeBSD really needs an integrated patch database/utility. The main gripe I have against FreeBSD and Linux vs. Solaris is backwards compatibility. Sun upgrades are almost always a piece of cake. (we're still using software compiled 5 years ago!) FreeBSD upgrades, on the other hand, breaks a substantial number of things with each upgrade. The price of being on the cutting edge I suppose. * Linux supports the developer / hacker community like no other Unix. This is great when you need to compile the latest cool tool but not generally worth the administrative hassle for servers or large environments (again, in my experience only). Your mileage may (and probably will) vary. Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 21:52:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03958 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:52:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03947 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12978; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:51:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Marcel Mason {Personal} cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Measuring transferred bytes on a interface In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:55:40 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:51:16 -0400 Message-ID: <12974.903675076@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marcel Mason {Personal} wrote in message ID : > I've made multiple attempts to reach this site and always receive a > "server returned extended information" error, do you know of an alternate > site? Don't use your web browser to go to ftp sites :) try a normal commandline ftp program. And the path was wrong. Its ftp://ftp.kiae.su/pub/unix/tcpip/netmaint Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 20 21:57:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04768 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:57:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (aniwa.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04720 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:57:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA02304; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:56:29 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:56:29 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Suresh Rajagopalan cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap_pager:out of swap space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Suresh Rajagopalan wrote: > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:49:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Suresh Rajagopalan > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: swap_pager:out of swap space > > On our PPro box, 64Mb RAM & 150Mb swap, we are seeing this message come > up frequently. The machine gets totally locked up. We are running 2.2.5 > and Apache 1.3.1. > > It has been stable for several months but the last couple of days there > has been a spike in web traffic. Is it a RAM or a swap problem? The message sounds pretty unambiguous. Your machine is running out of swap space. Either 1. Increase your physical ram 2. Increase the size of your swap space 3. limit the resources your system uses. Have a look at 'man limits' for the latter. Be aware though that CGI processes will start failing also. Apache can place limits on the number of httpd processes it will run, but extra users will come up with error messages. Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 01:21:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02917 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:21:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02909 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:21:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10423; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:20:47 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35DD2DD4.B4CACBF3@tdx.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:20:36 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jan B. Koum" CC: drew@etool.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. Solaris vs. FreeBSD? I could use some help - wanna comment? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan B. Koum wrote: > > You should have NO problem what-so-ever running SMP > under FreeBSD at this point: This isn't entirely true... I run FreeBSD-SMP, and have been running it for the past 8 months... You need to be aware of some 'quirks' with 3.0-CURRENT, the best way of doing this is to track the -current mailing list, and ask around a bit... For example, the new 'softupdates' code and SMP are still a definite no-no (though someone is working on them), to be honest - if it's anything like a production box I'd be tempted to leave switched 'off' all the 'new / cool' FreeBSD 3.0 features you don't absolutely need... Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 05:58:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29708 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ts.shopnet.com (ts.shopnet.com [208.131.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29699 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:58:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deichert@ts.shopnet.com) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id GAA14505; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:58:19 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:58:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Diana X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: Marcel Mason {Personal} cc: jivko@ijs.com, Andre Oppermann , "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Measuring transferred bytes on a interface In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org try ftp://ftp.kiae.su/pub/unix/tcpip/netmaint/ you should always try going to the root of a ftp site, then walk down it, sounds like you just triedgoing to that URL diana On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Marcel Mason {Personal} wrote: > > Take a look at trafshow (ftp://ftp.kiae.su/unix/tcpip/netmaint/) > > I've made multiple attempts to reach this site and always receive a > "server returned extended information" error, do you know of an alternate > site? > > Tnx > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Diana Eichert IT Manager McKinley Paper Company deeiche@mckinleypaper.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 07:24:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11187 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:24:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isot.com (ns.isot.com [208.24.245.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11182 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:24:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@isot.com) Received: from dialup04.isot.com (dialup04.isot.com [208.24.245.42]) by isot.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14411 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:22:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@isot.com) Received: by dialup04.isot.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BDCCE5.4C9433C0@dialup04.isot.com>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:23:04 -0500 Message-ID: <01BDCCE5.4C9433C0@dialup04.isot.com> From: FreeBSD ISOT To: "'FreeBSD ISP'" Subject: Squid Configuration Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:23:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA11183 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Got Squid installed properly but doesn't seem to work. I followed the QUICKSTART guide in modifing the configuration file. Does anyone have a configuration file that would cache everything comming in from the router? And allow all dialup users be enabled to use the cache? Would appreciate if you can share the config... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 07:47:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14142 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:47:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redwood.etool.com (redwood.etool.com [204.27.77.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA14122 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:47:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drew@mail.etool.com) Received: from [204.27.77.30] (unverified [204.27.77.30]) by redwood.etool.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:52:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re:vs FreeBSD? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:49:42 -0600 x-sender: drew@mail.etool.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Drew Mouton cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all, I just wanted to thank all the folks that chimed in on my q's re opinions on Linux/Solaris/NetBSD/FreeBSD...sorry to spark a mini-platform war in the process. Meanwhile, I'm still trying to wade through the copious responses and formulate a good opinion. Thanks. Drew Mouton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 08:17:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19417 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:17:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nak.myhouse.com (nak.myhouse.com [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19403 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:17:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.myhouse.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA07051; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:14:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.myhouse.com: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:14:41 -0400 (EDT) From: zoonie To: Bill Fumerola cc: Andrew McNaughton , Eddie Fry , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: email & web slow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org if i remember correctly there is a page somewhere on the apache web site on configuring the BSD kernel to improve web server performance...i think it was in the docs somewhere. apacheweek may have the article also. On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > Once there was an article in one of those 'webmagazines' about configuring > apache for use with FreeBSD. I'd search in freebsd-announce for it, there > was more to just bumping MAXUSERS, though that was the major point. > (http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html) > > > On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Andrew McNaughton wrote: > > > The biggest win for me was finding the limit on the maximum number of > > child processes the httpd and children could spawn (the limit check is > > based on the number of processes currently running under the same UID, not > > the number of actual child processes, although the size of the limit is > > passed to children across suid boundaries). > > > > I haven't yet rebuiilt the kernel, but putting "ulimit -S -u 256" in my > > apachectl script just before starting the httpd seems to work ok. > > - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - > - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - > > "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect > when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 11:52:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15819 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:52:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.ligos.com (red.ligos.com [207.238.131.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15808 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:52:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rwaldura@LIGOS.COM) Received: (qmail 1691 invoked by uid 102); 21 Aug 1998 18:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.ligos.com) (192.168.1.2) by 192.168.1.6 with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 18:51:37 -0000 Received: by server.ligos.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:51:37 -0700 Message-ID: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B1D75EB@server.ligos.com> From: FreeBSD ISP Mailing-list To: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: sub Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:51:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 16:26:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13593 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13587; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199808212326.QAA13587@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: [Q] what happens when 1 of N nameservers dies? To: isp Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:26:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org what happens when a domain with N nameservers loses one? let abc.org have 3 domain nameservers ns1.abc.org, ns2.abc.org, and ns3.abc.org. all are pointed to by the Internic. one dies. a person/program at another domain does a lookup on a host in abc.org. what happens? do 1/3 of the lookups return "host unknown"? does the resolver try one nameserver and if it does not receive a response try another? jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 17:05:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17302 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:05:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17254; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA15096; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:04:48 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: isp@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] what happens when 1 of N nameservers dies? In-Reply-To: <199808212326.QAA13587@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > what happens when a domain with N nameservers loses one? A sysadmin at that domain has some work to do. :) > let abc.org have 3 domain nameservers ns1.abc.org, ns2.abc.org, > and ns3.abc.org. all are pointed to by the Internic. > one dies. a person/program at another domain does a lookup > on a host in abc.org. > > what happens? Assuming abc.org has their servers configured correctly, everything works as usual. Looking at a `typical' whois listing :) germanium# whois freebsd.org [snip] Domain servers in listed order: WHO.CDROM.COM 204.216.27.3 NS1.CRL.COM 165.113.1.36 NS2.CRL.COM 165.113.1.37 NS1.IAFRICA.COM 196.7.0.139 NS2.IAFRICA.COM 196.7.142.133 WHO.CDROM.COM is configured as the primary server for the domain, all others are configured as secondary servers. When a DNS server at someother.domain wants to find www.freebsd.org's IP address it will first query WHO.CDROM.COM, if that fails it will try NS1.CRL.COM, if that also fails it will try NS2.CRL.COM, if that fails ..... > do 1/3 of the lookups return "host unknown"? No. All but the primary server are configured as secondaries and update from the primary periodically. They each have a `full listing' for the domain[s] they serve. > does the resolver try one nameserver and if it does not > receive a response try another? Yes, in "listed order". -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 17:17:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20692 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redfish.go2net.com (redfish.go2net.com [207.178.55.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA20677; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@go2net.com) Received: from marcs by redfish.go2net.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zA1M2-0007Cw-00; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:16:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:16:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@redfish To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: isp@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] what happens when 1 of N nameservers dies? In-Reply-To: <199808212326.QAA13587@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > what happens when a domain with N nameservers loses one? > > let abc.org have 3 domain nameservers ns1.abc.org, ns2.abc.org, > and ns3.abc.org. all are pointed to by the Internic. > one dies. a person/program at another domain does a lookup > on a host in abc.org. > > what happens? > > do 1/3 of the lookups return "host unknown"? No. > does the resolver try one nameserver and if it does not > receive a response try another? Yes. 1/3rd of the queries will pick that nameserver, try it, timeout, then try another. There will be delays but no false negatives unless timeouts are too short on the clients. There will actually be some weighting done with many name servers so it doesn't keep trying the one that is down time after time, but that is just optimization. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 18:30:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01461 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:30:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from socrates.i-pi.com (socrates.i-pi.com [198.49.217.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01446; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:30:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ingham@i-pi.com) Received: (from ingham@localhost) by socrates.i-pi.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA07773; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:26:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingham) Message-ID: <19980821192642.40798@i-pi.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:26:42 -0600 From: Kenneth Ingham To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , isp@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] what happens when 1 of N nameservers dies? References: <199808212326.QAA13587@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199808212326.QAA13587@hub.freebsd.org>; from Jonathan M. Bresler on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 04:26:13PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 04:26:13PM -0700, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > let abc.org have 3 domain nameservers ns1.abc.org, ns2.abc.org, > and ns3.abc.org. all are pointed to by the Internic. > one dies. a person/program at another domain does a lookup > on a host in abc.org. > > what happens? > > do 1/3 of the lookups return "host unknown"? Nope. > does the resolver try one nameserver and if it does not > receive a response try another? Yep. Kenneth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 18:30:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01511 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redfish.go2net.com (redfish.go2net.com [207.178.55.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA01498 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:30:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@go2net.com) Received: from marcs by redfish.go2net.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zA2TY-0007hV-00; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:28:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@redfish To: jack cc: isp@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] what happens when 1 of N nameservers dies? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, jack wrote: > germanium# whois freebsd.org > > [snip] > > Domain servers in listed order: > > WHO.CDROM.COM 204.216.27.3 > NS1.CRL.COM 165.113.1.36 > NS2.CRL.COM 165.113.1.37 > NS1.IAFRICA.COM 196.7.0.139 > NS2.IAFRICA.COM 196.7.142.133 > > WHO.CDROM.COM is configured as the primary server for the domain, > all others are configured as secondary servers. > > When a DNS server at someother.domain wants to find > www.freebsd.org's IP address it will first query WHO.CDROM.COM, > if that fails it will try NS1.CRL.COM, if that also fails it will > try NS2.CRL.COM, if that fails ..... No, there is no reason why it would do it in that order. It will normally be randomized to start, but even if it isn't you can't assume anything about the order. Everyone querying doesn't know or care who is the primary and who is the secondary. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 18:41:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02956 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02948; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:41:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA29917; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:41:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: isp@hub.freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: [Q] what happens when 1 of N nameservers dies? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:26:13 PDT." <199808212326.QAA13587@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:41:09 -0400 Message-ID: <29913.903750069@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jonathan M. Bresler" wrote in message ID <199808212326.QAA13587@hub.freebsd.org>: > what happens when a domain with N nameservers loses one? Depends on what you mean. BIND is clever enough to go to another (authoratitive) nameserver for the answer. The nameserver making the query won't return an error unless it can't contact any nameservers that the NIC lists... (or thats how its meant to work anyhow) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 21 20:27:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17322 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buddy.palomine.net (buddy.palomine.net [205.198.88.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA17316 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjohnson@palomine.net) Received: (qmail 22017 invoked by uid 500); 22 Aug 1998 03:26:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19980821232629.A21999@palomine.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:26:29 -0400 From: Chris Johnson To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Subject: Re: [Q] what happens when 1 of N nameservers dies? References: <199808212326.QAA13587@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from jack on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 08:04:48PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 08:04:48PM -0400, jack wrote: > Looking at a `typical' whois listing :) > > germanium# whois freebsd.org > > [snip] > > Domain servers in listed order: > > WHO.CDROM.COM 204.216.27.3 > NS1.CRL.COM 165.113.1.36 > NS2.CRL.COM 165.113.1.37 > NS1.IAFRICA.COM 196.7.0.139 > NS2.IAFRICA.COM 196.7.142.133 > > WHO.CDROM.COM is configured as the primary server for the domain, > all others are configured as secondary servers. > > When a DNS server at someother.domain wants to find > www.freebsd.org's IP address it will first query WHO.CDROM.COM, > if that fails it will try NS1.CRL.COM, if that also fails it will > try NS2.CRL.COM, if that fails ..... That's not the case. To the outside world, all listed name servers are considered equal -- there's no concept of primary and secondary. Primariness and secondariness matter only to the administrator: a primary is where the data live, and secondaries load their data from a primary. Any listed name server is considered to be as authoritative as any other. In BIND 8.1.x, they're not even called primary and secondary any more -- they're called master and slave, probably to avoid this confusion. In the case of FreeBSD.org, the SOA shows that the primary name server is implode.root.com, which isn't even listed as a name server for the domain. So all of the listed name servers are secondaries (or slaves). Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 22 10:41:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22356 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.eaznet.com ([216.19.20.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22345 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (admin.eaznet.com [216.19.20.16]) by amber.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00914 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:42:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35DF03BE.D13ED143@eaznet.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:45:35 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Kernel Error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm running 2.2.2 and have just recently started having my machine lockup with: Aug 22 03:00:00 amber /kernel: sd1(ahc0:6:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 Aug 22 03:00:00 amber /kernel: sd1(ahc0:6:0): Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred Aug 22 03:00:00 amber /kernel: , retries:4 Aug 22 03:19:14 amber /kernel: Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0x0 Aug 22 03:00:00 amber /kernel: SEQADDR == 0x12b Then the machine locks up. Do these errors indicate a drive problem or a controller problem? Any Ideas??? Eddie -- Eddie Fry EAZNet Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 22 19:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09788 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:58:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09700; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:58:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199808230258.TAA09700@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [Q] what happens when 1 of N nameservers dies? In-Reply-To: <35DECF3E.47E28B0F@pipeline.ch> from Andre Oppermann at "Aug 22, 98 04:01:34 pm" To: oppermann@pipeline.ch (Andre Oppermann) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@hub.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org thanks to everyone for their responses to my question. its good to see that "things work as they should" :) jmb > > Or yes if that nameserver isn't properly *configured*, but that > depends on how it is screwed up. > > 1. Unreachable (simply no answer, or UDP packet lost) > > No problem, the resolver asks another one (or again). > > 2. No secondary or primary statement (SOA) for that domain > > NS returns 'not authorative', the resolver tries the next one. > > 3. Bogus data in secondary (serial # not incremented after changes) > > This gives clearly problems, because the servers have different > information. Pilot error. > > > does the resolver try one nameserver and if it does not > > receive a response try another? > > Yes. > > -- > Andre > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message