From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 30 02:30:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01143 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from barney.webace.com.au ([203.25.160.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01137; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:30:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jasonm@barney.webace.com.au) Received: from localhost (jasonm@localhost) by barney.webace.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06226; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:51:17 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from jasonm@barney.webace.com.au) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:51:17 +0800 (WST) From: Jason McKay To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sending Mail to All Users Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I urgently need to send a message to all users on my FreeBSD system. I understand there is a way using aliases, and a script that makes up a listing of all users. How do I setup this up? Thanking in advance, Jason McKay. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 30 04:12:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13594 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 04:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13567; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 04:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199808301111.EAA13567@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Sending Mail to All Users In-Reply-To: from Jason McKay at "Aug 30, 98 05:51:17 pm" To: jasonm@barney.webace.com.au (Jason McKay) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 04:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason McKay wrote: > > Hello, > > I urgently need to send a message to all users on my FreeBSD system. I > understand there is a way using aliases, and a script that makes up a > listing of all users. > /etc/aliases: everyone: "| /usr/local/bin/mail.everyone" /usr/local/bin/mail.everyone: !/usr/bin/perl # # collect a mail message from STDIN # edit headers # send it out to everyone on this machine # # # set these to match your system # $debug = 0; $mailcmd = "/usr/bin/mail"; # # list all your non-user accounts here # %daemons = ( "root", 1, "toor", 1, "daemon", 1, "operator", 1, "bin", 1, "games", 1, "man", 1, "uucp", 1, "ingres", 1, "falcon", 1, "nobody", 1 ); # # collect the list of people # to receive the mail message # while ( $user = getpwent ) { (! $daemons{$user} ) && $targets .= " $user"; } # # collect the headers # junk lines that we dont need or want # while ( ) { last if ( /^$/o ); # end of headers next if ( /^Received: /o ); # remove these next if ( /^From /o ); # remove this line if ( ( $key, $value ) = ( /^(\S+):\s*(.*)/ ) ) { ; } $header{$key} = $value; } if ( $debug ) { open( OUT, "> /tmp/mailcatcher.$$") || die("$0 can't open output file"); foreach $key ( sort keys(%header) ) { print OUT "$key = $header{$key}\n" ; } } open( MAIL, "| /usr/bin/mail -s \"$header{'Subject'}\" $targets"); # # do the real work # while ( ) { $debug && print OUT; print MAIL; } jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 30 13:23:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29806 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:23:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rachel.paradise.net.nz (rachel.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29772; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shane.cole@staff.paradise.net.nz) Received: from shane (shane.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.6]) by rachel.paradise.net.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA21704; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:22:56 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from shane.cole@staff.paradise.net.nz) From: "Shane Cole" To: "Jason McKay" , Cc: Subject: RE: Sending Mail to All Users Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:23:02 +1200 Message-ID: <00a501bdd453$fd06d760$069860cb@shane.paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What I do is add all.users: :include:/etc/ftpchroot to my /etc/aliases file and then mail to that (commenting it out once it has finished). With the way I run my system, /etc/ftpchroot has a copy of all the usernames that are in /etc/passwd though. Regards Shane > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason McKay > Sent: Sunday, 30 August 1998 21:51 > To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Sending Mail to All Users > > > > Hello, > > I urgently need to send a message to all users on my FreeBSD system. I > understand there is a way using aliases, and a script that makes up a > listing of all users. > > How do I setup this up? > > Thanking in advance, > Jason McKay. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 30 14:10:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06694 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:10:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jaguar.ir.miami.edu (jaguar.ir.miami.edu [129.171.32.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06675; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:10:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcus@miami.edu) Received: from jaguar.ir.miami.edu ("port 2333"@jaguar.ir.miami.edu) by jaguar.ir.miami.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24029) with SMTP id <0EYI00LOCTG4V1@jaguar.ir.miami.edu>; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:09:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Joe \"Marcus\" Clarke" Subject: RE: Sending Mail to All Users In-reply-to: <00a501bdd453$fd06d760$069860cb@shane.paradise.net.nz> To: Shane Cole Cc: Jason McKay , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've done something a little different. I modified rmuser and adduser to add and delete new/old users to/from a .forward file. This .forward file belongs to a user "everyone." To send mail to "All Active Users" people just send mail to everyone. If you want, I'll forward the modified files from a 2.2.6-RELEASE machine. Joe Clarke On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Shane Cole wrote: > What I do is add > > all.users: :include:/etc/ftpchroot > > to my /etc/aliases file and then mail to that (commenting it out once it has > finished). With the way I run my system, /etc/ftpchroot has a copy of all > the usernames that are in /etc/passwd though. > > Regards > Shane > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason McKay > > Sent: Sunday, 30 August 1998 21:51 > > To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Sending Mail to All Users > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I urgently need to send a message to all users on my FreeBSD system. I > > understand there is a way using aliases, and a script that makes up a > > listing of all users. > > > > How do I setup this up? > > > > Thanking in advance, > > Jason McKay. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 30 14:42:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10838 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from serveri.netti.fi (serveri.netti.fi [195.16.192.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10815; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yurtesen@turkey.ispro.net.tr) Received: from turkey.ispro.net.tr (dyn-6-129.tku.netti.fi [195.16.194.130]) by serveri.netti.fi (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA28344; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:40:15 +0300 Message-ID: <35E9C63E.24377BF@turkey.ispro.net.tr> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:38:06 +0300 From: Evren Yurtesen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Joe \"Marcus\" Clarke" CC: Shane Cole , Jason McKay , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sending Mail to All Users References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org what if somebody send email to your everyone user??? all users see it? is not it a problem if somebody does that? Joe "Marcus" Clarke wrote: > I've done something a little different. I modified rmuser and adduser to > add and delete new/old users to/from a .forward file. This .forward file > belongs to a user "everyone." To send mail to "All Active Users" people > just send mail to everyone. If you want, I'll forward the modified files > from a 2.2.6-RELEASE machine. > > Joe Clarke > > On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Shane Cole wrote: > > > What I do is add > > > > all.users: :include:/etc/ftpchroot > > > > to my /etc/aliases file and then mail to that (commenting it out once it has > > finished). With the way I run my system, /etc/ftpchroot has a copy of all > > the usernames that are in /etc/passwd though. > > > > Regards > > Shane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason McKay > > > Sent: Sunday, 30 August 1998 21:51 > > > To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > > Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > Subject: Sending Mail to All Users > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I urgently need to send a message to all users on my FreeBSD system. I > > > understand there is a way using aliases, and a script that makes up a > > > listing of all users. > > > > > > How do I setup this up? > > > > > > Thanking in advance, > > > Jason McKay. > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 30 14:50:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12073 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jaguar.ir.miami.edu (jaguar.ir.miami.edu [129.171.32.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12068; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:50:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcus@miami.edu) Received: from jaguar.ir.miami.edu ("port 2428"@jaguar.ir.miami.edu) by jaguar.ir.miami.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24029) with SMTP id <0EYI00A02VA5AF@jaguar.ir.miami.edu>; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Joe \"Marcus\" Clarke" Subject: Re: Sending Mail to All Users In-reply-to: <35E9C63E.24377BF@turkey.ispro.net.tr> To: Evren Yurtesen Cc: Shane Cole , Jason McKay , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is an office setup and they wanted an alis so they could send email quickly to everyone without having to worry if their Netscape address books were up to date. It works for them, and, yes, in other situations, I can see how having a permanent alias for sending everyone email could be a problem. Joe Clarke On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Evren Yurtesen wrote: > what if somebody send email to your everyone user??? > all users see it? is not it a problem if somebody does that? > > Joe "Marcus" Clarke wrote: > > > I've done something a little different. I modified rmuser and adduser to > > add and delete new/old users to/from a .forward file. This .forward file > > belongs to a user "everyone." To send mail to "All Active Users" people > > just send mail to everyone. If you want, I'll forward the modified files > > from a 2.2.6-RELEASE machine. > > > > Joe Clarke > > > > On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Shane Cole wrote: > > > > > What I do is add > > > > > > all.users: :include:/etc/ftpchroot > > > > > > to my /etc/aliases file and then mail to that (commenting it out once it has > > > finished). With the way I run my system, /etc/ftpchroot has a copy of all > > > the usernames that are in /etc/passwd though. > > > > > > Regards > > > Shane > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason McKay > > > > Sent: Sunday, 30 August 1998 21:51 > > > > To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Subject: Sending Mail to All Users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I urgently need to send a message to all users on my FreeBSD system. I > > > > understand there is a way using aliases, and a script that makes up a > > > > listing of all users. > > > > > > > > How do I setup this up? > > > > > > > > Thanking in advance, > > > > Jason McKay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 30 15:55:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18263 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:55:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dialup.voltage.net (ns1.voltage.net [204.214.227.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18257 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:55:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from arky (arky.voltage.net [204.214.227.12]) by dialup.voltage.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA01989 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:00:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Message-Id: <199808302300.SAA01989@dialup.voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@mail.voltage.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:49:16 -0500 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: Sending Mail to All Users In-Reply-To: References: <35E9C63E.24377BF@turkey.ispro.net.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:49 PM 8/30/98 -0400, Joe \"Marcus\" Clarke wrote: >This is an office setup and they wanted an alis so they could send email >quickly to everyone without having to worry if their Netscape address >books were up to date. It works for them, and, yes, in other situations, >I can see how having a permanent alias for sending everyone email could be >a problem. You can do the same thing a bit more securely by having adduser add users to a majordomo list file that is setup so noone but you can post to it. Be sure to have rmuser remove users from the list too :) Susie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 31 07:53:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00312 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:53:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00294; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:53:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA06473; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:51:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:51:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch To: Evren Yurtesen cc: "Joe \"Marcus\" Clarke" , Shane Cole , Jason McKay , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sending Mail to All Users In-Reply-To: <35E9C63E.24377BF@turkey.ispro.net.tr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Evren Yurtesen wrote: > what if somebody send email to your everyone user??? > all users see it? is not it a problem if somebody does that? That's what Bcc: is for. mail -s "subject is.." -b everyone < message ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 31 14:45:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08451 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:45:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08440 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:45:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from terry@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20944; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tlambert.whistle.com(207.76.205.208) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdd20933; Mon Aug 31 21:42:55 1998 Message-ID: <35EB17AE.3749@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:37:50 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG CC: terry@whistle.com Subject: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone actually doing this? Any horror stories? Any success stories? Are you using Linux or BSDI version of the stuff? -- Terry Lambert -- Whistle Communications, Inc. -- terry@whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 31 16:05:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24780 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:05:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ainet.com (ainet.com [204.30.40.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24763 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmscott@ainet.com) Received: from perl.ainet.com (perl.ainet.com [204.30.40.14]) by ainet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA05015; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980831160516.00a05100@mail.ainet.com> X-Sender: jmscott@mail.ainet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:05:16 -0700 To: Terry Lambert , isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Joseph M. Scott" Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? Cc: terry@whistle.com In-Reply-To: <35EB17AE.3749@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm using it. I installed it quite awhile ago, the machine that it's on only has very, very light traffic so I don't know how stable it is. There is a port ( apache-fp I believe ? ) that seems to do the job ( I've only tried the port a few times ). It's the BSDI version of the extensions that are being used. Here's the web page for the guy who put together the port : http://www.westbend.net/~hetzels/apache-fp/ Joseph Scott jmscott@ainet.com At 02:37 PM 8/31/98 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: >Anyone actually doing this? > >Any horror stories? > >Any success stories? > >Are you using Linux or BSDI version of the stuff? > >-- Terry Lambert >-- Whistle Communications, Inc. >-- terry@whistle.com > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 31 16:06:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24983 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from slaterm.amitar.com.au (slaterm.amitar.com.au [203.57.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24955 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from slaterm@slaterm.amitar.com.au) Received: from localhost (slaterm@localhost) by slaterm.amitar.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA14821; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:04:50 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from slaterm@slaterm.amitar.com.au) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:04:50 +0800 (WST) From: Michael Slater To: Terry Lambert cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? In-Reply-To: <35EB17AE.3749@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am using the BSDI version of FrontPage on 2.2.6-RELEASE .. It works perfectly, and i have had no problems :) Michael On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > Anyone actually doing this? > > Any horror stories? > > Any success stories? > > Are you using Linux or BSDI version of the stuff? > > -- Terry Lambert > -- Whistle Communications, Inc. > -- terry@whistle.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 31 16:13:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26473 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26465 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21900; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:11:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <35EB2DBA.D3D10213@dal.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:11:54 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-0827 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? References: <35EB17AE.3749@whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > > Anyone actually doing this? > > Any horror stories? A good friend/customer of mine who is an ISV for windows told me that he wouldn't go near that pile of with a 10 foot pole. Good luck, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** At Barry (a small town in south Wales) hidden cameras have had to be installed to keep watch on the town's CCTV [Closed Circuit Television] to record acts of vandalism against the CCTV. - Privacy Forum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 31 17:14:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07613 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:14:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nexus.astro.psu.edu (nexus.astro.psu.edu [128.118.147.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA07527 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:14:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@astro.psu.edu) Received: from mstar.astro.psu.edu by nexus.astro.psu.edu (4.1/Nexus-1.3) id AA18461; Mon, 31 Aug 98 20:13:19 EDT Received: by mstar.astro.psu.edu (SMI-8.6/Client-1.3) id UAA00123; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:13:10 -0400 Message-Id: <19980831201309.A112@astro.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:13:09 -0400 From: Matthew Hunt To: Terry Lambert , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? References: <35EB17AE.3749@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <35EB17AE.3749@whistle.com>; from Terry Lambert on Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 02:37:50PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 02:37:50PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Anyone actually doing this? > > Any horror stories? > > Any success stories? > > Are you using Linux or BSDI version of the stuff? Not me, but it's in the Ports Collection. The fellow who did the port seemed to know his stuff, and he's helped people on the lists enough that I expect other people are using it. I think the port uses the BSDI version. -- Matthew Hunt * Stay close to the Vorlon. http://www.pobox.com/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 31 19:44:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03018 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.flinet.com (shell.flinet.com [205.216.85.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03010 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:44:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mdintgrp@flinet.com) Received: from localhost (mdintgrp@localhost) by shell.flinet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA28970; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:43:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan Weaver To: Studded cc: Terry Lambert , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? In-Reply-To: <35EB2DBA.D3D10213@dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My ISP runs Apache/Frontpage on 3 of our web servers. All we had to do to get it running was Download Apache, apply the FP patch, (and extensions) and we were up and running. No problems, didn't take much time at all. In comparison I've also setup a IIS server on NT.. I wouldn't touch THAT with a ten foot pole. The installation was click happy, it's just the part about it crashing under even moderate loads. IMHO, Frontpage works better under unix than it does on IIS. =) The machines serve many domains, and rarely ever crash. And when they do it's almost never because of web serving. The machines are all low end pentiums running BSD/OS 3.1 - Jonathan On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Studded wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Anyone actually doing this? > > > > Any horror stories? > > A good friend/customer of mine who is an ISV for windows told me that > he wouldn't go near that pile of with a 10 foot > pole. > > Good luck, > > Doug > -- > *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** > > At Barry (a small town in south Wales) hidden cameras have had to be > installed to keep watch on the town's CCTV [Closed Circuit Television] > to record acts of vandalism against the CCTV. - Privacy Forum > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 02:24:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17105 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 02:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17100 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 02:24:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from pipeline.ch ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA279; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:21:58 +0200 Message-ID: <35EBBCC3.C98B5F30@pipeline.ch> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 11:22:11 +0200 From: Andre Oppermann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert CC: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? References: <35EB17AE.3749@whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > > Anyone actually doing this? Yes :-( > Any horror stories? I tried the new Apache/FP 1.3.1 port on FBSD 2.2.5 and get core dumps all the time... > Any success stories? It works fine on a 2.2.7... > Are you using Linux or BSDI version of the stuff? The BSDI3 ones, take a look on the port, it's a really good one. The only bitchy thing with all the F*ç"/&ç%" stuff are the permissions you have to set on the directories... Well, it's typical M$ crap software... -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 05:49:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07893 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from omnix.net (omnix.net [194.183.217.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA07888 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:49:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from didier@omnix.net) Received: from localhost (didier@localhost) by omnix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA15783 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:48:08 GMT (envelope-from didier@omnix.net) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:48:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Didier Derny To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: qmail/ezmlm Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm really tired of sendmail/majordomo and I'm wondering wether qmail/ezmlm could replace sendmail/majordomo. the managment of virtual hosting seems easier with qmail. do you have any experience with these products ? -- Didier Derny didier@omnix.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 05:51:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08227 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dsm.net (dsm1.dsm.net [204.90.102.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA08215 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbrackett@dsm.net) Received: from DSM#u#OFFICE-Message_Server by dsm.net with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:49:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:49:10 -0400 From: Richard Brackett To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2.5 - 2.2.7 Upgrade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please forgive if this seems an assinine question , but is there a simple way to accomplish this? I've looked in the handbook, but it's not entirely clear to me. I don't develop so it didn't seem like CVS was the way to go and if I run sysinstall and tell it to upgrade it just tells me that it can't find the 2.2.5-release directory. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 07:21:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19151 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:21:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from joshua.enteract.com (joshua.enteract.com [207.229.129.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA19146 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djhoward@joshua.enteract.com) Received: (qmail 2620 invoked by uid 1032); 1 Sep 1998 14:20:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901092046.C1202@enteract.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:20:46 -0500 From: dannyman To: Didier Derny , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm Mail-Followup-To: Didier Derny , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Didier Derny on Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 02:48:08PM +0200 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 02:48:08PM +0200, Didier Derny wrote: > Hi, > > I'm really tired of sendmail/majordomo and I'm wondering wether > qmail/ezmlm could replace sendmail/majordomo. > > the managment of virtual hosting seems easier with qmail. I haven't tried ezmlm yet, but it definately looks far more featureful than majordomo, except possibly for digests. If you go for it, please share your experience. :) -danny -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 09:07:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01400 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:07:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01380 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:07:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 16548 invoked by uid 1003); 1 Sep 1998 15:44:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901174407.B12010@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:44:07 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Didier Derny , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm References: <19980901092046.C1202@enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19980901092046.C1202@enteract.com>; from dannyman on Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 09:20:46AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue 1998-09-01 (09:20), dannyman wrote: > I haven't tried ezmlm yet, but it definately looks far more featureful than > majordomo, except possibly for digests. If you go for it, please share your > experience. :) ezmlm can most assuredly do digests. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 09:08:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01563 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01532 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:08:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 16445 invoked by uid 1003); 1 Sep 1998 15:43:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901174337.A12010@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:43:37 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Didier Derny , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Didier Derny on Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 02:48:08PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue 1998-09-01 (14:48), Didier Derny wrote: > I'm really tired of sendmail/majordomo and I'm wondering wether > qmail/ezmlm could replace sendmail/majordomo. Definately. Not to mention that there will soon be an excellent web interface for ezmlm lists available, the current version is available from http://moria.org/contrib/ or thereabouts. > the managment of virtual hosting seems easier with qmail. Definately much easier. > do you have any experience with these products ? We use the combination for hundreds of lists over 40 ips, mostly for societies at Rhodes University (the one in South Africa, at least). It's been much easier to manage and modify than our previous sendmail and exim configurations, and hasn't misbehaved much at all once we set it up correctly. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 10:10:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12358 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from piggy.rz.tu-ilmenau.de (piggy.rz.tu-ilmenau.de [141.24.4.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12177 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Oliver.Thuns@Mt.Stud.TU-Ilmenau.DE) Received: from brocken.RZ.TU-Ilmenau.DE (brocken.rz.tu-ilmenau.de [141.24.190.22]) by piggy.rz.tu-ilmenau.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00852; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:08:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thuns@localhost) by brocken.RZ.TU-Ilmenau.DE (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA13971; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:08:45 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199809011708.TAA13971@brocken.RZ.TU-Ilmenau.DE> From: "Oliver Thuns" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "Didier Derny" Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:03:20 +0100 Reply-To: "Oliver Thuns" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.00.1500) For Windows 95 (4.0.950) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I'm really tired of sendmail/majordomo and I'm wondering wether >qmail/ezmlm could replace sendmail/majordomo. > >the managment of virtual hosting seems easier with qmail. > >do you have any experience with these products ? If you don't like sendmail/majordomo then try qmail/ezmlm. Both are great programs and the configuration is not very difficult (but rather different to sendmail/majordomo). I ran qmail and ezmlm only on RedHat, but I'm sure that they run on FreeBSD, too (there should be a package or port). More information can be found at www.qmail.org and www.ezmlm.org. Make sure that you also get the ezmlm-idx patches, which extends ezmlm with many useful features. - Oliver - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 10:22:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14471 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.ligos.com (red.ligos.com [207.238.131.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA14442 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:22:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rwaldura@LIGOS.COM) Received: (qmail 6209 invoked by uid 102); 1 Sep 1998 17:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.ligos.com) (192.168.1.2) by 192.168.1.6 with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 17:21:37 -0000 Received: by server.ligos.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:21:37 -0700 Message-ID: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B205A37@server.ligos.com> From: Renaud Waldura To: "'Didier Derny'" Cc: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: qmail/ezmlm Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:21:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, and qmail is awesome. Pros: blazingly fast (so that it's sometimes hard to believe), *easy* to configure (goodbye sendmail.cf with its "H?F?Resent-From: $?x$x <$g>$|$g$." and such), and it seems to be much more secure than sendmail (I'm no security expert, but we all know about sendmail's holes). Cons: migrating from sendmail is not totally pain-free, especially in userland. The "mailbox" model is different (no /var/mail/user), and hence MUAs need to be either reconfigured or -gasp- recompiled. The documentation tries to help, but it could be more elaborated. Fortunately I didn't have to deal with that, since we use qmail essentially as a proxy/smarthost. It works just great. And the configuration of qmail itself is brain-dead easy, especially virtual hosting. A couple of $ echo domain.com:user >> /var/qmail/control/virtualhosts and you're set. I don't know anything about ezmlm. Check out http://www.qmail.org/. --Renaud > -----Original Message----- > From: Didier Derny [SMTP:didier@omnix.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 5:48 AM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: qmail/ezmlm > > Hi, > > I'm really tired of sendmail/majordomo and I'm wondering wether > qmail/ezmlm could replace sendmail/majordomo. > > the managment of virtual hosting seems easier with qmail. > > > do you have any experience with these products ? > > > -- > Didier Derny > didier@omnix.net > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 10:41:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19543 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:41:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19526 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:41:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA25618 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:40:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:40:12 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Stock pppd - overiding IP addresses? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have a now 'slightly-aging' (OK, I prefer 'mature') 2.2.2 system running the stock FreeBSD pppd. In my /etc/ppp/ppp.conf I have listed all the options I need. In addition to this I have files in /etc/ppp such as: options.ttyd0 options.ttyd1 etc. These assign the addresses used for my dialin modem pool... I now have a customer who wants/needs a static address, so I've put a '.ppprc' file in their home directory which simply says: " :195.188.177.129 " I thought this would give that 1 user a static address (following the 'flow' of Config files checked in the man page) but it doesn't appear to work... The system connecting to it is another FreeBSD box, the server doesn't offer the client the .129 address, and if the client asks for the .129 address it gets refused... Am I able to set things up this way? (The thought 'almost too good to be true' springs to mind re. using just 'simple' config files) Thanks for any help, Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 12:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03909 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:02:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from carp.gbr.epa.gov (carp.gbr.epa.gov [204.46.159.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03900 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:02:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjenkins@carp.gbr.epa.gov) Received: (from mjenkins@localhost) by carp.gbr.epa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22579; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:01:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mjenkins) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:01:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Jenkins Message-Id: <199809011901.OAA22579@carp.gbr.epa.gov> To: kpielorz@tdx.co.uk Subject: Re: Stock pppd - overiding IP addresses? Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:40:12 +0100 (BST) > From: Karl Pielorz > > Hi, > > I have a now 'slightly-aging' (OK, I prefer 'mature') 2.2.2 system running > the stock FreeBSD pppd. > > In my /etc/ppp/ppp.conf I have listed all the options I need. In addition Careful. There are two ppp's in FreeBSD and they store their configs in the same directory, /etc/ppp. The ppp.conf file is used by User PPP. pppd uses options as the main config file. > to this I have files in /etc/ppp such as: > > options.ttyd0 > options.ttyd1 > > etc. > > These assign the addresses used for my dialin modem pool... I now have a > customer who wants/needs a static address, so I've put a '.ppprc' file in > their home directory which simply says: > > " > :195.188.177.129 > " > > I thought this would give that 1 user a static address (following the > 'flow' of Config files checked in the man page) but it doesn't appear to > work... Looking in the FILES section of the pppd manual page the order of processing config files is options, ~/.ppprc, cmd line, options.ttyname. Since options.ttyname is overriding ~/.ppprc, the user gets the IP address specified in options.ttyname. > > The system connecting to it is another FreeBSD box, the server doesn't > offer the client the .129 address, and if the client asks for the .129 > address it gets refused... > > Am I able to set things up this way? (The thought 'almost too good to be > true' springs to mind re. using just 'simple' config files) > Since local-IP:remote-IP is specified, IP address negotiation is disabled. The ipcp-accept-remote option (in ~/.ppprc) will allow address negotiation. See the manual page where it describes local_ip_address:remote_ip_address. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 12:03:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04041 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA04018 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manar@ivision.co.uk) Received: from pretender.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.43] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0zDvgg-00049M-00; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:01:54 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980901200118.009bd5c0@stingray.ivision.co.uk> X-Sender: manarpop@stingray.ivision.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 20:01:18 +0100 To: Renaud Waldura From: Manar Hussain Subject: RE: qmail/ezmlm Cc: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" In-Reply-To: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B205A37@server.ligos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd advise just about anyone who spends any time configuring their mail server to go for one of qmail or exim (www.exim.org). Qmail probably holds the lead in terms of security, Exim on ease of use (it's a lot more sendmail like). Both a *much* easier to configure and give *much* better performance. Manar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 12:20:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06894 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from joshua.enteract.com (joshua.enteract.com [207.229.129.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06888 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djhoward@joshua.enteract.com) Received: (qmail 13348 invoked by uid 1032); 1 Sep 1998 19:19:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901141936.G1202@enteract.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:19:36 -0500 From: dannyman To: Renaud Waldura , "'Didier Derny'" Cc: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm Mail-Followup-To: Renaud Waldura , 'Didier Derny' , "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" References: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B205A37@server.ligos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B205A37@server.ligos.com>; from Renaud Waldura on Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 10:21:36AM -0700 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 10:21:36AM -0700, Renaud Waldura wrote: > Cons: migrating from sendmail is not totally pain-free, especially in > userland. The "mailbox" model is different (no /var/mail/user), and hence > MUAs need to be either reconfigured or -gasp- recompiled. The documentation > tries to help, but it could be more elaborated. procmail delivery kicks butt, and there's a utility to honor .forward files, one of it's bugs being that it's more stable than sendmail. :) -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 13:13:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16191 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:13:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16141 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA09309 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:11:12 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35EC54D9.99D31C04@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:11:05 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stock pppd - overiding IP addresses? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to all that replied... I've solved the problem (sort of) - the system reads the config files in the 'wrong' order to do what I want (i.e. it reads the local config first for the user, then overrides that with the next file etc.) I have it working at the moment by allowing the client to specify the IP address... This will get me by for now... Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 13:14:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16429 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:14:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16408 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA097966855; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:07:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:07:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Jonathan Weaver Cc: Studded , Terry Lambert , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Jonathan Weaver wrote: > All we had to do to get it running was Download Apache, apply the FP > patch, (and extensions) and we were up and running. No problems, didn't > take much time at all. In comparison I've also setup a IIS server on NT.. > I wouldn't touch THAT with a ten foot pole. The installation was click > happy, it's just the part about it crashing under even moderate loads. For stability and such, unix whomps NT, but... > IMHO, Frontpage works better under unix than it does on IIS. =) Three words: Active Server Pages, try them in *nix. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 13:39:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19609 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [12.9.219.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19581 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:38:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from HARLIE.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [12.9.219.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA13656; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Bill Fumerola cc: Jonathan Weaver , Studded , Terry Lambert , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Bill Fumerola wrote: > For stability and such, unix whomps NT, but... > > > IMHO, Frontpage works better under unix than it does on IIS. =) > > Three words: Active Server Pages, try them in *nix. You mean the Microsoft things, or just equivilent technology. If the former, I don't miss them, if the latter, we've got it just as good, but with different tools. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 13:43:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20669 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:43:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20568 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:42:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA109708686; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:38:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > Three words: Active Server Pages, try them in *nix. > > You mean the Microsoft things, or just equivilent technology. If the > former, I don't miss them, if the latter, we've got it just as good, but > with different tools. The former. It's hard to convince someone (a boss, in my case) to switch to a different platform when I just can't copy the files over. I find shell scripting and other such nonsense much easier then ASP, but when everything is already programmed.... - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 14:34:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29220 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.intercom.com ([207.51.55.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29210 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:34:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from intercom.com (shagalicious.com [206.98.165.250]) by mail.intercom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA26251; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EC684A.B6F5FFC5@intercom.com> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 17:34:02 -0400 From: "Jason J. Horton" X-Sender: "Jason J. Horton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en]C-NECCK (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BUGTRAQ@netscape.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bug in login References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org how is it possible to enable long passwords in FreeBSD? -J Jason Ackley wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Justin Priestley wrote: > > > Not sure if this is known yet. > > > > > > I use FreeBSD and also work on BSDI. If a user has numbers on the end > > of their passwd, this is not recognised. Add a user and telnet to your > > machine. Make sure the passwd has numbers on the end. > > Unable to replicate on BSDI 3.1, how long was the password before the > numbers started? What is the password length setting in /etc/login.conf? > > After the default setting of 8 chars, nothing matters, BSDI does support > 'widepasswords' of 128 chars though that you must enable in > /etc/login.conf. See login.conf(5) > > -- > jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 14:53:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01982 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01969 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:53:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from terry@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01531 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tlambert.whistle.com(207.76.205.208) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdVX1523; Tue Sep 1 21:46:16 1998 Message-ID: <35EC69F3.5A5E@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:41:07 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? References: <35EB17AE.3749@whistle.com> <35EBBCC3.C98B5F30@pipeline.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lots of responses; apparently it works with 2.2.6-Release and later, and all the "gotcha's" are fairly well known. To answer the other questions I had: It doesn't work on 2.2.5, and it uses the BSDI version of the Microsoft code. Thanks to all who responded! -- Terry Lambert -- Whistle Communications, Inc. -- terry@whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 15:37:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08544 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:37:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.intercom.com ([207.51.55.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08528 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from intercom.com (shagalicious.com [206.98.165.250]) by mail.intercom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA16906; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EC7715.29886974@intercom.com> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:37:09 -0400 From: "Jason J. Horton" X-Sender: "Jason J. Horton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en]C-NECCK (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, isp-tech@isp-tech.com Subject: webbased email/adding new users Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A client wants to do a Hotmail type service(doesn't everyone?) and I am wondering how to add new users via forms, like hotmail does, with the webserver running as a non-privilidged user and without opening a whole bunch of security problems for the system. Any ideas? Please email me or the list -J To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 15:56:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12269 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:56:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (aniwa.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12254 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:55:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA23538; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:53:43 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:53:42 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: "Jason J. Horton" cc: BUGTRAQ@netscape.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bug in login In-Reply-To: <35EC684A.B6F5FFC5@intercom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Jason J. Horton wrote: > how is it possible to enable long passwords in FreeBSD? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the MD5 based passwd entries cater to this? Andrew McNaughton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 17:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22126 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22102 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhawk@ohio.river.org) Received: (from dhawk@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id RAA29250; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:00:23 -0700 (PDT) From: David Hawkins Message-Id: <199809020000.RAA29250@ohio.river.org> Subject: Re: webbased email/adding new users In-Reply-To: <35EC7715.29886974@intercom.com> from "Jason J. Horton" at "Sep 1, 98 06:37:09 pm" To: jason@intercom.com (Jason J. Horton) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, isp-tech@isp-tech.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > A client wants to do a Hotmail type service(doesn't > everyone?) and I am wondering how to add new users via > forms, like hotmail does, with the webserver running > as a non-privilidged user and without opening a whole > bunch of security problems for the system. Any ideas? > Please email me or the list I have about a 400 line perl script that use CGI.pm to put up a form and get all the necessary fields filled in and do some data checking. It then uses sendmail to mail to a special account. Every line is prefixed with XXX to avoid any special escape tricks. The other account has a procmail filter running that extracts the data. We then have someone check the account, but if you're not doing a $$$ deal then you could have that account hand it off to a suid-perl script that would install the account. later, david -- David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org http://www.river.org/~dhawk "How I wait for my good is more important than what I wait for. Life is not living in a 'waiting room', but rather waiting in a 'living room'." -- Dr. Dorothy Kobak To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 17:15:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24762 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:15:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (aniwa.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24745 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA25439; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:12:03 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:12:03 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: dannyman cc: Renaud Waldura , "'Didier Derny'" , "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm In-Reply-To: <19980901141936.G1202@enteract.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, dannyman wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 10:21:36AM -0700, Renaud Waldura wrote: > > > Cons: migrating from sendmail is not totally pain-free, especially in > > userland. The "mailbox" model is different (no /var/mail/user), and hence > > MUAs need to be either reconfigured or -gasp- recompiled. The documentation > > tries to help, but it could be more elaborated. > > procmail delivery kicks butt, and there's a utility to honor .forward files, > one of it's bugs being that it's more stable than sendmail. :) Has anyone investigated the buffer overflow problems in procmail? I saw a recent message about buffer overflows from the command line which looked to be exploitable. Not suid, so probably not important. It would be a different case if these could be reached by a specially constructed email sent to a machine using procmail as a local delivery agent. Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 17:26:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27077 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ainet.com (ainet.com [204.30.40.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27072 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmscott@ainet.com) Received: from perl.ainet.com (perl.ainet.com [204.30.40.14]) by ainet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04226; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980901172653.009bed50@mail.ainet.com> X-Sender: jmscott@mail.ainet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 17:26:53 -0700 To: "Jason J. Horton" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, isp-tech@isp-tech.com From: "Joseph M. Scott" Subject: Re: webbased email/adding new users In-Reply-To: <35EC7715.29886974@intercom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is a web based admin tool called webmin. Check out : http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ I've tested it out some and it seems to work quite well. Security wise, well the whole idea of doing something like this should raise some flags. It's all a matter of give and take. This tool is geared more for admin'ing the whole machine, much wider than just adding users. What I'd like is a good tool for reading pop mail on the web ( like Hotmail :-) ). Dealing with attachments seems to be the tricky part. Joseph Scott jmscott@ainet.com At 06:37 PM 9/1/98 -0400, Jason J. Horton wrote: >A client wants to do a Hotmail type service(doesn't >everyone?) and I am wondering how to add new users via >forms, like hotmail does, with the webserver running >as a non-privilidged user and without opening a whole >bunch of security problems for the system. Any ideas? >Please email me or the list > > -J > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 17:41:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28585 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (aniwa.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28574 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA26120; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:40:42 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:40:42 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" cc: Manar Hussain Subject: RE: qmail/ezmlm In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980901200118.009bd5c0@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Manar Hussain wrote: > I'd advise just about anyone who spends any time configuring their mail > server to go for one of qmail or exim (www.exim.org). Qmail probably holds > the lead in terms of security, Exim on ease of use (it's a lot more > sendmail like). Both a *much* easier to configure and give *much* better > performance. > > Manar Does anyone have any pointers to a step by step guide to doing the transition to either of these? I'd like to move away from sendmail, but there's very little room for error on my system, and not knowing all that much about any of the packages involved, I've been a bit hesitant about it. My system has a small ammount of incoming mail, and large ammounts of automated outgoing mail. I have inhouse software providing customized news feeds (current affairs, not nntp) via email. ie every message goes out to a different list of people. I want to be able to have tens of deliveries running in parallel, but I don't want this to meant that deliveries are attempted over-frequently for queued messages. I'd also like good control over how long messages sit in the queue before the next delivery attempt. I want to be able to make a second attempt after 5 minutes, and then progressively increase the waiting time for successive attempts. If parallel delivery for a single messages recipient list that would be a bonus. Any suggestions on what I should be using for outgoing mail? Incoming mail is a separate problem, and may or not be migrated to the same software. Handling error messages is the main problem there. Andrew McNaughton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 17:49:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00319 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:49:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.theinternet.com.au (zeus.theinternet.com.au [203.34.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00297 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:49:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akm@zeus.theinternet.com.au) Received: (from akm@localhost) by zeus.theinternet.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA21049; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:42:48 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from akm) From: Andrew Kenneth Milton Message-Id: <199809020042.KAA21049@zeus.theinternet.com.au> Subject: Re: webbased email/adding new users In-Reply-To: <35EC7715.29886974@intercom.com> from "Jason J. Horton" at "Sep 1, 98 06:37:09 pm" To: jason@intercom.com (Jason J. Horton) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:42:48 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, isp-tech@isp-tech.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org +----[ Jason J. Horton ]--------------------------------------------- | A client wants to do a Hotmail type service(doesn't | everyone?) and I am wondering how to add new users via | forms, like hotmail does, with the webserver running | as a non-privilidged user and without opening a whole | bunch of security problems for the system. Any ideas? | Please email me or the list We do the same type of thing for user addition, we process users into a database, they are 'scrutinised' by humans first, and then once approved they are placed into another database. This section of the website is restricted to staff only. A cron job runs every 5 minutes (as root) and creates the pending users by calling adduser in batch mode. The databases are cross-checked with adduser log file to look for entries that have been created not using the web interface and to look for entries that exist in the database but don't have a corresponding account. If you have a networkable database you can place the database on a foreign machine behind a firewall and have various machines access it from the DMZ. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | Milton ACN: 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 |72 Col .Sig PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068 |akm@theinternet.com.au|Specialist To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 18:14:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04001 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA03973 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manar@ivision.co.uk) Received: from pretender.ivision.co.uk [194.112.61.117] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0zE1UJ-0006nc-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 02:13:32 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980902021258.009a4490@stingray.ivision.co.uk> X-Sender: manarpop@stingray.ivision.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 02:12:58 +0100 To: andrew@squiz.co.nz From: Manar Hussain Subject: RE: qmail/ezmlm Cc: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980901200118.009bd5c0@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Does anyone have any pointers to a step by step guide to doing the >transition to either of these? I'd like to move away from sendmail, but >there's very little room for error on my system, and not knowing all that >much about any of the packages involved, I've been a bit hesitant about >it. As I said - IMHO Exim is a friendlier migration from sendmail but both exim and qmail should not require too much work to get into. The Exim docs and mailing list have repeatedly proved to be a truly excellent resource. >I want to be able to have tens of deliveries running in parallel, but I >don't want this to meant that deliveries are attempted over-frequently for >queued messages. I'd also like good control over how long messages sit in >the queue before the next delivery attempt. I want to be able to make a >second attempt after 5 minutes, and then progressively increase the >waiting time for successive attempts. > >If parallel delivery for a single messages recipient list that would be a >bonus. > >Any suggestions on what I should be using for outgoing mail? Both exim and qmail will give you easily configured parallel delivery (across the queue and on each message), configurable retry times etc. (e.g. in exim you can set things like "try every ten minutes for the first hour, every 30 minutes for the next 6 hours, every 6 hours for the next 4 days and then give up" very easily). Exim at least does cute things like notice if a host has multiple messages waiting for it in the queue - such that when you finally get through it can stream all the other messages in the same connection (useful for servers that are hard to get a connection on). Manar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 18:49:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11184 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:49:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kapmail.com ([206.31.219.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA11171 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:49:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from satya@dspsoft.com) Received: (qmail 24929 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 01:50:25 -0000 Received: from simba.dspsoft.com (206.31.219.210) by simba.dspsoft.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 01:50:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:50:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Satya Devireddy X-Sender: satya@srv.kapmail.com To: "Jason J. Horton" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, isp-tech@isp-tech.com Subject: Re: webbased email/adding new users In-Reply-To: <35EC7715.29886974@intercom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > A client wants to do a Hotmail type service(doesn't > everyone?) and I am wondering how to add new users via > forms, like hotmail does, with the webserver running > as a non-privilidged user and without opening a whole > bunch of security problems for the system. Any ideas? > Please email me or the list I was looking at similar setup for a friend of mine. The setup was going to be a web based email system. No POP3 or any other kind of access. My experiences: 1) Do not create users on the system. Adding users when you above 10K users takes an awful long time (>1 min each). I tried a simple perl script to add 10K users took about a day and half. But deleting them got done overnight. I haven't tried NIS I am running FreeBSD CURRENT-3.0 2) Since I decided to use qmail for the mail server, I am looking at two options: a) use the .qmail-user type mapping for these virtual users or b) hack qmail to lookup a mysql database if the users are not regular users. I tested this hack out and was satisfied. I think by not creating users on the system, I will be reducing a whole lot (if not all) of security holes. Any suggestions/comments welcome... Implemnting the CGI for adding users is as simple as creating a dir and a file (for case a) and inserting a couple of records in the database (for case b). I am still scratching my head of how to implement the mail reading/sending front end (especially MIME stuff)... I could definitely use some help at this mailbox format. Any one has more suggestions please post... ;) -Satya ----------------- Satya Devireddy satya@dspsoft.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 18:55:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12288 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:55:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dialup.voltage.net (ns1.voltage.net [204.214.227.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12282 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:55:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from arky (arky.voltage.net [204.214.227.12]) by dialup.voltage.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA06652 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:59:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Message-Id: <199809020159.UAA06652@dialup.voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@mail.voltage.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 20:48:49 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: webbased email/adding new users In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980901172653.009bed50@mail.ainet.com> References: <35EC7715.29886974@intercom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:26 PM 9/1/98 -0700, Joseph M. Scott wrote: > What I'd like is a good tool for reading pop mail on the web ( like >Hotmail :-) ). Dealing with attachments seems to be the tricky part. I assume you've probably already seen MailMan? http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ It's not quite as good as Hotmail, but it's not too bad. The earlier versions weren't quite as good, but he has a 2.0 out now that is much better and works with attachments somewhat at least, but the latest versions aren't free anymore .. I think it's $250 now (exact pricing is on their website). I'm testing out the 2.0 beta version and so far it seems good, I see they have the 2.0 final release out now. Susie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 20:02:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21036 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:02:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from joshua.enteract.com (joshua.enteract.com [207.229.129.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA21031 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:02:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djhoward@joshua.enteract.com) Received: (qmail 2403 invoked by uid 1032); 2 Sep 1998 03:01:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901220129.A2253@enteract.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:01:29 -0500 From: dannyman To: andrew@squiz.co.nz, "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm Mail-Followup-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz, "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" References: <19980901141936.G1202@enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew McNaughton on Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 12:12:03PM +1200 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 12:12:03PM +1200, Andrew McNaughton wrote: > Has anyone investigated the buffer overflow problems in procmail? I saw a > recent message about buffer overflows from the command line which looked > to be exploitable. Not suid, so probably not important. It would be a > different case if these could be reached by a specially constructed email > sent to a machine using procmail as a local delivery agent. Hadn't heard about that, but I see it's SUID so this concern is extremely valid. Our concern is/was that procmail supposedly reads the entire message into memory, which implicates performance issues as well. *shrug* For mere mortals, it's good enough. :) -danny -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 20:46:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26377 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (aniwa.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26348 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:46:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA01435; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:44:30 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:44:29 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: dannyman cc: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: procmail (was Re: qmail/ezmlm) In-Reply-To: <19980901220129.A2253@enteract.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, dannyman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 12:12:03PM +1200, Andrew McNaughton wrote: > > > Has anyone investigated the buffer overflow problems in procmail? I saw a > > recent message about buffer overflows from the command line which looked > > to be exploitable. Not suid, so probably not important. It would be a > > different case if these could be reached by a specially constructed email > > sent to a machine using procmail as a local delivery agent. > > Hadn't heard about that, but I see it's SUID so this concern is extremely > valid. Our concern is/was that procmail supposedly reads the entire message > into memory, which implicates performance issues as well. You're right, it is suid as installed. $ man procmail [...] If running suid root or with root privileges, procmail will be able to perform as a functionally enhanced, back- wards compatible mail delivery agent. [...] I've removed the suid bit on my machines since I only use it to organise stuff into mailboxes on the same account. If it's used as a system wide local delivery agent it needs to be root, but will be invoked as root so doesn't need suid. I don't see much reason to run suid/sgid though, particularly while there are buffer overflow problems. I haven't yet seen exploit code, but evidence of probable exploitability was tacked onto stuff about mincom in a BUGTRAQ item on monday. I've confirmed that the registers get corrupted in my version of procmail (3.11) under FreeBSD (2.2.5). --------------- Forwarded message follows ---------------- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:13:38 +0200 From: "M.C.Mar" Reply-To: "M.C.Mar" To: BUGTRAQ@netspace.org Subject: Re: Buffer overflows in Minicom 1.80.1 On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Eduardo Navarro wrote: > I have found some buffer overflows in Minicom 1.80.1 which comes setuid > root with Slackware 3.5. I known that were discussed some overflows in > other versions of minicom ( no setuid root) but i think it's "new" and > more dangerous. > Hi! I found that overflows about 2 moths ago and it does not seem to be exploitable in easy way. Look at this: woozle:~> gdb ./minicom [...] (gdb) r -t /dev/ttyp`perl -e 'print "A" x 9000'` [...] Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x400ae057 in strcpy () (gdb) backtrace #0 0x400ae057 in strcpy () #1 0xbfffd638 in ?? () #2 0x804981e in free () [...] (gdb) x/i 0x400ae057 0x400ae057 : movb %al,(%ecx,%edx,1) [...] (gdb) info registers eax 0x4806dc41 1208409153 [...] I tryed to play with data to bypass that, but with no success :( Same with TERM, and HOME. Another interesting think is that procmail also contains similar bug: woozle:~> gdb ./procmail [...] (gdb) r `perl -e 'print "A" x 5000'` Starting program: /home/emsi/./procmail `perl -e 'print "A" x 5000'` [You need to type ^D here!!!] procmail: Couldn't create "/var/spool/mail/emsi" (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x4008a107 in malloc () Interesting, isn't it? But look at this: (gdb) r `perl -e 'print "A" x 7000'` [...] Starting program: /home/emsi/./procmail `perl -e 'print "A" x 7000'` procmail: Couldn't create "/var/spool/mail/emsi" Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x4007dfa3 in strncmp () But this time, there is something more interesting: (gdb) x/i 0x4007dfa3 0x4007dfa3 : lodsb %ds:(%esi),%al (gdb) info registers eax 0x41414141 1094795585 esi 0x41414141 1094795585 ds 0x2b 43 Also malloc looks interesting. As in case of minicom it seems imposible to me to exploit it, in case of procmail it is much interesting and I would like to discuss posibility of exploiting it. Oh, I almost forgot: woozle:~> ./procmail -v procmail v3.10 1994/10/31 written and created by Stephen R. van den Berg berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de All has been tested on slackware 3.5. RegardZ, Kil3r -- ___________________________________________________________________________ M.C.Mar An NT server can be run by an idiot, and usually is. emsi@it.pl "If you can't make it good, make it LOOK good." - Bill Gates Moze to nie miejsce, ale tak np. programy M$ to swoiste pomniki glupoty. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 21:49:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA06696 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06689 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:49:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@rainey.blueneptune.com) Received: (from michael@localhost) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id VAA17358; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:38:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael) Message-Id: <199809020438.VAA17358@rainey.blueneptune.com> Subject: Re: procmail (was Re: qmail/ezmlm) In-Reply-To: from Andrew McNaughton at "Sep 2, 98 03:44:29 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: andrew@squiz.co.nz From: michael@blueneptune.com Reply-To: michael@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tried the following using version 3.11pre7 of procmail, under FreeBSD 2.2.6, and did not see any corruption. It just said it couldn't open the file, and exited normally. > I haven't yet seen exploit code, but evidence of probable exploitability > was tacked onto stuff about mincom in a BUGTRAQ item on monday. I've > confirmed that the registers get corrupted in my version of procmail > (3.11) under FreeBSD (2.2.5). > > --------------- Forwarded message follows ---------------- > [...] > > woozle:~> gdb ./procmail > [...] > (gdb) r `perl -e 'print "A" x 5000'` > Starting program: /home/emsi/./procmail `perl -e 'print "A" x 5000'` > > [You need to type ^D here!!!] > > procmail: Couldn't create "/var/spool/mail/emsi" > (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... > Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. -- Michael Bryan michael@blueneptune.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 22:27:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13002 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:27:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (aniwa.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12986 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA03934; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:25:55 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:25:55 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: michael@blueneptune.com cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: procmail (was Re: qmail/ezmlm) In-Reply-To: <199809020438.VAA17358@rainey.blueneptune.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try increasing the ammount of input. I used 15000 rather than the 5000 used by the author of the original post. Andrew On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 michael@blueneptune.com wrote: > I tried the following using version 3.11pre7 of procmail, under > FreeBSD 2.2.6, and did not see any corruption. It just said it > couldn't open the file, and exited normally. > > > I haven't yet seen exploit code, but evidence of probable exploitability > > was tacked onto stuff about mincom in a BUGTRAQ item on monday. I've > > confirmed that the registers get corrupted in my version of procmail > > (3.11) under FreeBSD (2.2.5). > > > > --------------- Forwarded message follows ---------------- > > [...] > > > > woozle:~> gdb ./procmail > > [...] > > (gdb) r `perl -e 'print "A" x 5000'` > > Starting program: /home/emsi/./procmail `perl -e 'print "A" x 5000'` > > > > [You need to type ^D here!!!] > > > > procmail: Couldn't create "/var/spool/mail/emsi" > > (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... > > Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. > > -- > Michael Bryan > michael@blueneptune.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 1 23:49:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27194 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:49:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27189 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@rainey.blueneptune.com) Received: (from michael@localhost) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id XAA23701; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael) Message-Id: <199809020638.XAA23701@rainey.blueneptune.com> Subject: Re: procmail (was Re: qmail/ezmlm) In-Reply-To: from Andrew McNaughton at "Sep 2, 98 05:25:55 pm" To: andrew@squiz.co.nz Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Cc: michael@blueneptune.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: michael@blueneptune.com Reply-To: michael@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Try increasing the ammount of input. I used 15000 rather than the 5000 > used by the author of the original post. 15000 worked for me, but 50000 did crash and burn. Whatever it is, the trigger point is version-sensitive, but it appears to be in all of them... -- Michael Bryan michael@blueneptune.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 01:57:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17518 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:57:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA17509 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:57:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from pipeline.ch ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA380; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:55:18 +0200 Message-ID: <35ED0808.10F7DAA1@pipeline.ch> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:55:36 +0200 From: Andre Oppermann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrew@squiz.co.nz CC: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" , Manar Hussain Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew McNaughton wrote: -snip- > Does anyone have any pointers to a step by step guide to doing the > transition to either of these? I'd like to move away from sendmail, but > there's very little room for error on my system, and not knowing all that > much about any of the packages involved, I've been a bit hesitant about > it. Take a look on www.qmail.org and my "big-qmail-picture" to get how qmail works. You can find it on http://www.nrg4u.com. > My system has a small ammount of incoming mail, and large ammounts of > automated outgoing mail. I have inhouse software providing customized > news feeds (current affairs, not nntp) via email. ie every message goes > out to a different list of people. Qmail was originally developed and designed to run a huge mailing list... > I want to be able to have tens of deliveries running in parallel, but I > don't want this to meant that deliveries are attempted over-frequently for > queued messages. I'd also like good control over how long messages sit in > the queue before the next delivery attempt. I want to be able to make a > second attempt after 5 minutes, and then progressively increase the > waiting time for successive attempts. Qmail does 20 concurrent deliveries by default, you can set that up to 200 and more. It also maintains a list of unreachable hosts so it simply jumps over additional deliveries to the same destination. I don't know of top of my head the delay for the second delivery, but it's a compile time option. > If parallel delivery for a single messages recipient list that would be a > bonus. Qmail does one SMTP connection for *every* message (some consider that as an DoS). So if you have 20 messages to one receipient it will open 20 remote deliveries at the same time. > Any suggestions on what I should be using for outgoing mail? Qmail :-) > Incoming mail is a separate problem, and may or not be migrated to the > same software. Handling error messages is the main problem there. ezmlm does a great job here, it handles unreachable receipients, hosts and other stuff by itself. You don't even have to deal with bounces. Some really big lists are driven by qmail/ezmlm, for example one list of the library association (or so) with 110,000 subscribers. Or the qmail list itself with about 700 subscribers. The turnaround times for a message are under 3 minutes in average. Remember the times where the freebsd lists with sendmail/majordomo had times of 2-4 hours (with ~300 subscribers (I don't know exactly but I think jmb siad something like this))? -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 03:25:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27729 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:25:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.shellnet.co.uk (smtp.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA27724 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@shellnet.co.uk) Received: from eth2-fw1.bolton.shellnet.co.uk (eth2-fw1.bolton.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.8]) by smtp.shellnet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1-shellnet.stevenf) with SMTP id LAA10508; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:25:29 +0100 (BST) Posted-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:25:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:25:43 +0100 (BST) From: Steven Fletcher X-Sender: root@eth2-fw1.bolton.shellnet.co.uk To: "Jason J. Horton" cc: BUGTRAQ@netscape.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bug in login In-Reply-To: <35EC684A.B6F5FFC5@intercom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had a similar problem not very long ago, only the first 8 charachters of a password were being authenticated. To fix this I was told to remove kerberos from my servers (or something similar), as this authentication can only carry an 8 byte password. -Steven Fletcher steven@shellnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 04:01:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01241 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arc.netlab.sk (arc.netlab.sk [195.168.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA01211 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from palo.adamec@tecton.sk) Received: from PCNTWS1 ([195.168.13.18]) by arc.netlab.sk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA15762 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:59:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from palo.adamec@tecton.sk) Received: by PCNTWS1 with Microsoft Mail id <01BDD671.F4EF64A0@PCNTWS1>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:02:36 +0200 Message-ID: <01BDD671.F4EF64A0@PCNTWS1> From: Pavol Adamec To: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Frame Relay Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:02:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id EAA01232 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everybody, I've searched through archives and found out that there are serial cards working with FBSD that support frelay connections (ETINC, Digi, Cronyx, SDL). But I don't know, whether there are drivers for these cards, that would support frame-relay encapsulation. And if there are such, how to set them up. If you have any knowledge or experience, please, let me know. Thanks in advance ------------------------------------------------------------------- Pavol Adamec AZC, a.s. Kukucinova 22, Bratislava, Slovakia tel: ++421 7 5252688 fax: ++421 7 5252679 email: palo.adamec@tecton.sk ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 05:16:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07328 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:16:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07320; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:16:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199809021216.FAA07320@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm In-Reply-To: from Didier Derny at "Sep 1, 98 02:48:08 pm" To: didier@omnix.net (Didier Derny) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Didier Derny wrote: > Hi, > > I'm really tired of sendmail/majordomo and I'm wondering wether > qmail/ezmlm could replace sendmail/majordomo. > wait a little while longer for wietse venema's VMailer www.porcupine.org/vmailer/ jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 05:48:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11754 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from faust27-s.rz.uni-frankfurt.de (faust27-s.rz.uni-frankfurt.de [141.2.149.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA11740; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oliver.thuns@gmx.de) Message-Id: <199809021248.FAA11740@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from virt.dyn.ml.org (actually NAFp2-044.rz.uni-frankfurt.de) by faust27-eth.rz.uni-frankfurt.de with Local SMTP (PP); Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:46:43 +0000 From: Oliver Thuns To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "Jonathan M. Bresler" Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:38:14 +0100 Reply-To: Oliver Thuns X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.00.1500) For Windows 95 (4.0.950) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I'm really tired of sendmail/majordomo and I'm wondering wether >> qmail/ezmlm could replace sendmail/majordomo. > > wait a little while longer for wietse venema's VMailer > www.porcupine.org/vmailer/ You cannot use ezmlm with VMailer. (VMailer is great, but I miss an ezmlm which works with VMailer). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 06:24:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18132 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:24:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hawk.dfa.net (cdsl210.mpls.uswest.net [207.109.3.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18126 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:24:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpanula@mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net) Received: from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net (eagle.dfa.net [10.0.1.2]) by hawk.dfa.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA08323 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:22:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35ED4635.1F6F7B3F@mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 08:20:53 -0500 From: Russ Panula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Fumerola wrote: > Three words: Active Server Pages, try them in *nix. The CPAN module Apache-ASP-0.02 can supposedly do perl ASP's... >From the readme: DESCRIPTION This module provides a Active Server Pages port to Apache. Active Server Pages is a web application platform that originated with Microsoft's IIS server. Under Apache for both Win32 and Unix, it allows a developer to create web applications with session management and perl embedded in static html files. I have not used the module however. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 07:16:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25267 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:16:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from joshua.enteract.com (joshua.enteract.com [207.229.129.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA25260 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djhoward@joshua.enteract.com) Received: (qmail 20345 invoked by uid 1032); 2 Sep 1998 14:15:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19980902091529.B19795@enteract.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:15:30 -0500 From: dannyman To: Oliver Thuns , "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm Mail-Followup-To: Oliver Thuns , "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "Jonathan M. Bresler" References: <199809021248.FAA11740@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199809021248.FAA11740@hub.freebsd.org>; from Oliver Thuns on Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 02:38:14PM +0100 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 02:38:14PM +0100, Oliver Thuns wrote: > >> I'm really tired of sendmail/majordomo and I'm wondering wether > >> qmail/ezmlm could replace sendmail/majordomo. > > > > wait a little while longer for wietse venema's VMailer > > www.porcupine.org/vmailer/ > > You cannot use ezmlm with VMailer. (VMailer is great, but I miss > an ezmlm which works with VMailer). I wasn't aware that anything worked with VMailer, considering it's not out yet. It gives extra meaning to the V ... :) -danny -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 07:19:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25673 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:19:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from the.oneinsane.net (gw.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25653 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from insane@the.oneinsane.net) Received: (from insane@localhost) by the.oneinsane.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id HAA27322 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980902071802.B26360@oneinsane.net> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:18:02 -0700 From: "Ron 'The Insane One' Rosson" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frame Relay Reply-To: insane@oneinsane.net Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <01BDD671.F4EF64A0@PCNTWS1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <01BDD671.F4EF64A0@PCNTWS1>; from Pavol Adamec on Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 01:02:30PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD the.oneinsane.net 2.2.6-STABLE X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a ETInc card 5025 8bit that will do upto 2Mb. They have their own drivers and are supported under FreeBSD. They come with instructions in M$ Windows doc files (dennis I wish these were more crossplatform). and is quite easy to follow. There web site is http://www.etinc.com TTYl Ron On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 01:02:30PM +0200, Pavol Adamec wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I've searched through archives and found out that there are serial cards working with FBSD that support frelay connections (ETINC, Digi, Cronyx, SDL). > But I don't know, whether there are drivers for these cards, that would support frame-relay encapsulation. And if there are such, how to set them up. > If you have any knowledge or experience, please, let me know. > > Thanks in advance > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pavol Adamec > AZC, a.s. > Kukucinova 22, Bratislava, Slovakia > tel: ++421 7 5252688 > fax: ++421 7 5252679 > email: palo.adamec@tecton.sk > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- -------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was null and void -------------------------------------------------------- It's so nice to be insane, nobody asks you to explain. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 07:59:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02055 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:59:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from omnix.net (omnix.net [194.183.217.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02038; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from didier@omnix.net) Received: from localhost (didier@localhost) by omnix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA11411; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:58:41 GMT (envelope-from didier@omnix.net) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:58:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Didier Derny To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm In-Reply-To: <199809021216.FAA07320@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > Didier Derny wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm really tired of sendmail/majordomo and I'm wondering wether > > qmail/ezmlm could replace sendmail/majordomo. > > > > wait a little while longer for wietse venema's VMailer > www.porcupine.org/vmailer/ > > jmb > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -- Didier Derny didier@omnix.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 08:40:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08677 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:40:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (aniwa.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08671 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA13079; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 03:38:06 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 03:38:04 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Russ Panula cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? In-Reply-To: <35ED4635.1F6F7B3F@mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Russ Panula wrote: > Bill Fumerola wrote: > > Three words: Active Server Pages, try them in *nix. > > The CPAN module Apache-ASP-0.02 can supposedly do perl ASP's... > > >From the readme: > > DESCRIPTION > This module provides a Active Server Pages port to Apache. > Active Server Pages is a web application platform that > originated with Microsoft's IIS server. Under Apache for both > Win32 and Unix, it allows a developer to create web applications > with session management and perl embedded in static html files. Many of my CGI programs use templates with embedded perl. Assuming you trust the code, it's a simple matter to pass the template through a regex to produce something exec'able. This can be done in advance also, storing both the template and the executable code. It's imperfect. Syntax errors can wind up being oddly reported, and embedding a single curly brace to mark the end of a loop is a bit ugly. Various embellishments are possible, but for a simple hack it seems pretty cool to me. Andrew McNaughton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 11:38:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09653 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:38:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from faust27-s.rz.uni-frankfurt.de (faust27-s.rz.uni-frankfurt.de [141.2.149.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09639 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oliver.thuns@gmx.de) Message-Id: <199809021838.LAA09639@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from virt.dyn.ml.org (actually NAFp2-123.rz.uni-frankfurt.de) by faust27-eth.rz.uni-frankfurt.de with Local SMTP (PP); Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:37:06 +0000 From: Oliver Thuns To: dannyman , "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:03:36 +0100 Reply-To: Oliver Thuns X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.00.1500) For Windows 95 (4.0.950) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> > wait a little while longer for wietse venema's VMailer >> > www.porcupine.org/vmailer/ >> >> You cannot use ezmlm with VMailer. (VMailer is great, but I miss >> an ezmlm which works with VMailer). > >I wasn't aware that anything worked with VMailer, considering it's not out >yet. It gives extra meaning to the V ... :) There is no public release of VMailer, but this does not mean VMailer does not exist :) It's not vaporware, I'm using it. Why should he wait for VMailer? ;-) If I had to host large mailinglists, I would switch to qmail/ezmlm immediately (ezmlm is the best mailinglist manager I know). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 12:44:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22190 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:44:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ts.shopnet.com (ts.shopnet.com [208.131.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22183 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deichert@ts.shopnet.com) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id NAA26862; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:44:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Diana X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: webbased email/adding new users In-Reply-To: <199809020159.UAA06652@dialup.voltage.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You could install the PHP module in Apache then run the webmail app that is available at www.php.net in the projects area. This webmail app supports POP and IMAP. diana Diana Eichert IT Manager McKinley Paper Company deeiche@mckinleypaper.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 13:11:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25200 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:11:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25189 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:11:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA049223200; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:06:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:06:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Russ Panula Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? In-Reply-To: <35ED4635.1F6F7B3F@mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank you, I'm trying this as we speak(type?). On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Russ Panula wrote: > Bill Fumerola wrote: > > Three words: Active Server Pages, try them in *nix. > > The CPAN module Apache-ASP-0.02 can supposedly do perl ASP's... > > >From the readme: > > DESCRIPTION > This module provides a Active Server Pages port to Apache. > Active Server Pages is a web application platform that > originated with Microsoft's IIS server. Under Apache for both > Win32 and Unix, it allows a developer to create web applications > with session management and perl embedded in static html files. > > > I have not used the module however. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 15:34:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17788 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:34:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hawk.dfa.net (cdsl210.mpls.uswest.net [207.109.3.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17735 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpanula@mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net) Received: from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net (eagle.dfa.net [10.0.1.2]) by hawk.dfa.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09920 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:31:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35EDC70D.B54CC72E@mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:30:37 -0500 From: Russ Panula X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew McNaughton wrote: > Many of my CGI programs use templates with embedded perl. Assuming you > trust the code, it's a simple matter to pass the template through a regex > to produce something exec'able. This can be done in advance also, storing > both the template and the executable code. > > It's imperfect. Syntax errors can wind up being oddly reported, and > embedding a single curly brace to mark the end of a loop is a bit ugly. > Various embellishments are possible, but for a simple hack it seems pretty > cool to me. My latest favorite toy has been Apache built with Frontpage+mod_perl+Embperl+DBI. If you haven't used Embperl or mod_perl, check them out! It's loads faster than standard CGI, and you can use your favorite HTML editor to embed perl in your documents. (Did I mention persistent database connectivity? 8-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 21:02:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08466 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:02:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08458; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199809030402.VAA08458@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: qmail/ezmlm In-Reply-To: <19980902091529.B19795@enteract.com> from dannyman at "Sep 2, 98 09:15:30 am" To: dannyman@dannyland.org (dannyman) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: oliver.thuns@gmx.de, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dannyman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 02:38:14PM +0100, Oliver Thuns wrote: > > >> I'm really tired of sendmail/majordomo and I'm wondering wether > > >> qmail/ezmlm could replace sendmail/majordomo. > > > > > > wait a little while longer for wietse venema's VMailer > > > www.porcupine.org/vmailer/ > > > > You cannot use ezmlm with VMailer. (VMailer is great, but I miss > > an ezmlm which works with VMailer). > > I wasn't aware that anything worked with VMailer, considering it's not out > yet. It gives extra meaning to the V ... :) > shhhhh.....dont tell the freebsd-chat mailing list, they have been using it for a couple months jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 21:24:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11261 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:24:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11256 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA10094; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:23:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Bill Fumerola cc: Jonathan Weaver , Studded , Terry Lambert , isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Sep 1998 15:07:35 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 00:23:22 -0400 Message-ID: <10090.904796602@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Fumerola wrote in message ID : > Three words: Active Server Pages, try them in *nix. ASPs should be discouraged at any rate. They are not cachable content. Perhaps M$ likes having more traffic to their web servers than they really need, but as an ISP I'd rather keep the traffic local... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 23:18:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25090 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pouncequick.sisd.com ([207.106.146.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA25084 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:18:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ivan@sisd.com) Received: (qmail 14575 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Sep 1998 06:19:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19980903061932.14540.qmail@pouncequick.sisd.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: ivan-freebsd-isp@sisd.com Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1998 02:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm pleased to announce the 1.1.0 release of Freeside. Freeside is an open-source billing and account administration package for ISPs. The 1.1.0 release includes significant enhancements over the 1.0.0 version. The installation process and documentation have received particular attention. You may download the package from http://www.sisd.com/freeside -- Ivan Kohler - finger for PGP key Silicon Interactive Software Design - http://www.sisd.com/ Open-source billing and administration for ISPs - http://www.sisd.com/freeside 20 4,16 * * * saytime # consciousness is the missing symmetry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 2 23:25:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26991 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:25:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.tassie.net.au (zeus.tassie.net.au [203.19.156.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26970 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:25:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@tassie.net.au) From: freebsd-isp@tassie.net.au Received: from zeus.tassie.net.au (zeus.tassie.net.au [203.19.156.71]) by zeus.tassie.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA26943 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:24:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@tassie.net.au) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:24:11 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199809030624.QAA26943@zeus.tassie.net.au> X-Authentication-Warning: zeus.tassie.net.au: zeus.tassie.net.au [203.19.156.71] didn't use HELO protocol To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SUBSCRIBE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 01:38:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13212 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:38:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hecate.webcom.com (hecate.webcom.com [209.1.28.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13165; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from u@webcom.com) Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by hecate.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA27380; Wed, 27 Feb 2036 21:23:36 -0800 Received: from [199.183.207.57] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 3340035; Thu Sep 03 01:36 PDT 1998 Message-Id: <35EE7E99.298E@webcom.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 04:33:45 -0700 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Palmer , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: info@boatbooks.com Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? References: <10090.904796602@gjp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gary Palmer wrote: > > Bill Fumerola wrote in message ID > : > > Three words: Active Server Pages, try them in *nix. > > ASPs should be discouraged at any rate. They are not cachable content. Perhaps > M$ likes having more traffic to their web servers than they really need, but > as an ISP I'd rather keep the traffic local... I have never understood why this needs to be (that the content is not cacheable). For content that is quasi-static, why could not the ASP pages be served so as to be cacheable? Perhaps pages could be served with an expiry date (or last modified date) set from a database field on a per-page basis. This could also allow a intelligent response to if-modified-since requests that would avoid the need to transfer content unnecessarily. We have an application where a very large number of HTML pages are presently generated offline from a database every month and uploaded. I want to change this to a system where the database itself is uploaded monthly, and the pages generated on the fly. But it is essential that the pages appear static, and be listable by search engines. In the majority of pages, the content changes relatively little - it is rather details like pricing that change frequently. Any suggestions? -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 05:01:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06634 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:01:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (aniwa.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06624; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:01:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA21580; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:59:35 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:59:34 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Graeme Tait cc: Gary Palmer , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? In-Reply-To: <35EE7E99.298E@webcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Graeme Tait wrote: > Gary Palmer wrote: > > We have an application where a very large number of HTML pages are presently > generated offline from a database every month and uploaded. I want to change this > to a system where the database itself is uploaded monthly, and the pages generated > on the fly. But it is essential that the pages appear static, and be listable by > search engines. In the majority of pages, the content changes relatively little - > it is rather details like pricing that change frequently. Any suggestions? I suspect setting squid as an http accelerator might solve this as well as possibly speeding up your server. So long as your CGI's, ASP's or whatever supply an expiry date, squid should be able to handle the decision making on when to get a fresh copy. I think that if there is no if-modified-since in the request then squid will fetch a fresh copy. Andrew McNaughton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 06:45:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16879 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:45:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA16871 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manar@ivision.co.uk) Received: from pretender.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.43] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0zEZgs-0002jg-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:44:46 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980903144403.00902490@stingray.ivision.co.uk> X-Sender: manarpop@stingray.ivision.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:44:03 +0100 To: Diana From: Manar Hussain Subject: Re: webbased email/adding new users Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199809020159.UAA06652@dialup.voltage.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 13:44 02/09/98 -0600, Diana wrote: >You could install the PHP module in Apache then run the webmail app that >is available at www.php.net in the projects area. This webmail app supports >POP and IMAP. I thought it only supported IMAP, PHP that is. A quick look at the sites seem to confirm this. Damn - thought I could get rid of one of the 100 "gt around to some time" tasks (a few simple POP php commands). Manar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 07:22:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22354 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:22:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22349 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:22:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA17947; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:20:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Graeme Tait cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, info@boatbooks.com From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Sep 1998 04:33:45 PDT." <35EE7E99.298E@webcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:20:43 -0400 Message-ID: <17943.904832443@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Graeme Tait wrote in message ID <35EE7E99.298E@webcom.com>: > I have never understood why this needs to be (that the content is not > cacheable). For content that is quasi-static, why could not the ASP pages > be served so as to be cacheable? Because ASP pages can make decisions on what to return depending on browser-specific or IP specific information? I have never seen ASP, but if its similar to Apache's SHTML, then that would be a problem ... caches *cannot* cache browser-specific content and then return it to all browsers hitting that cache. That would return incorrect content and the pages wouldn't display properly. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 07:23:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22572 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ts.shopnet.com (ts.shopnet.com [208.131.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22567 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:23:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deichert@ts.shopnet.com) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id IAA05160; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:21:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Diana X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: Manar Hussain cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: webbased email/adding new users In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980903144403.00902490@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can also use the IMAP commands to access a POP server. Goto the php mailing list archive site and search for POP and/or IMAP. You should find quite a few references to just what you are looking for. diana On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Manar Hussain wrote: > At 13:44 02/09/98 -0600, Diana wrote: > >You could install the PHP module in Apache then run the webmail app that > >is available at www.php.net in the projects area. This webmail app supports > >POP and IMAP. > > I thought it only supported IMAP, PHP that is. A quick look at the sites > seem to confirm this. Damn - thought I could get rid of one of the 100 "gt > around to some time" tasks (a few simple POP php commands). > > Manar > Diana Eichert IT Manager McKinley Paper Company deeiche@mckinleypaper.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 13:04:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10261 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from easeway.com (ns1.easeway.com [209.69.71.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10237 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@easeway.com) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by easeway.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA02781 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809031950.PAA02781@easeway.com> Subject: merit radius detail files? To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: mwlucas@exceptionet.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a 2.2.6 box running Merit Radius straight from the ports collection. It isn't logging a detail file -- indeed, any sort of logging. I've started it with: radiusd -t0 -a /var/log/radius -g syslog Any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong here? I don't care about the format of the detail files; I just want *some* sort of log. Thanks, Michael -- Michael Lucas | Exceptionet, Inc. | www.exceptionet.com "Exceptional Networking" | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 13:10:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11051 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10955; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:10:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA294879520; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:05:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone running FrontPage with Apache on stable/current? In-Reply-To: <10090.904796602@gjp.erols.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't advocate the technology, I'm [was] merely stating that it's hard to move from NT --> FreeBSD, because the lack of ASP support. On a side note, perhaps apache::asp should be fetched and built by default by the apache*-fp ports. It has a few dependencies but would be really neat to see. On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > Bill Fumerola wrote in message ID > : > > Three words: Active Server Pages, try them in *nix. > > ASPs should be discouraged at any rate. They are not cachable content. Perhaps > M$ likes having more traffic to their web servers than they really need, but > as an ISP I'd rather keep the traffic local... - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 13:42:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16440 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:42:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from merit.edu (merit.edu [198.108.1.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16428 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from web@merit.edu) Received: from ohm.merit.edu (ohm.merit.edu [198.108.60.65]) by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06454; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:41:04 -0400 (EDT) From: William Bulley Received: (web@localhost) by ohm.merit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA07716; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:41:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199809032041.QAA07716@ohm.merit.edu> Subject: Re: merit radius detail files? To: mwlucas@exceptionet.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809031950.PAA02781@easeway.com> from "mwlucas@exceptionet.com" at Sep 3, 98 03:50:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to mwlucas@exceptionet.com: > > I have a 2.2.6 box running Merit Radius straight from the ports > collection. It isn't logging a detail file -- indeed, any sort of > logging. > > I've started it with: > radiusd -t0 -a /var/log/radius -g syslog > > Any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong here? I don't care about the > format of the detail files; I just want *some* sort of log. The ports collection is old and out of date. Upgrade to our 3.6B (latest) basic Merit AAA Server version by browsing at: http://www.merit.edu/aaa/ It should be there under "About..." | "Information..." | "The Basic..." The old one (2.4.23) is old/obsolete/buggy/non-RFC-conformant/unavailable/etc... Regards, web... -- William Bulley Senior Systems Research Programmer Merit Network, Inc. Email: web@merit.edu 4251 Plymouth Road, Suite C Phone: (734) 764-9993 Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105-2785 Fax: (734) 647-3185 [ Reuters, London, February 29, 1998: Scientists have announced discovering ] [ a meteorite which will strike the earth in March, 2028. Millions of UNIX ] [ coders expressed relief for being spared the UNIX epoch "crisis" of 2038. ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 13:46:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17350 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:46:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from merit.edu (merit.edu [198.108.1.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17345 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from web@merit.edu) Received: from ohm.merit.edu (ohm.merit.edu [198.108.60.65]) by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06552; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:45:32 -0400 (EDT) From: William Bulley Received: (web@localhost) by ohm.merit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA07743; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:46:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199809032046.QAA07743@ohm.merit.edu> Subject: Re: merit radius detail files? To: mwlucas@exceptionet.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809031950.PAA02781@easeway.com> from "mwlucas@exceptionet.com" at Sep 3, 98 03:50:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to mwlucas@exceptionet.com: > > I have a 2.2.6 box running Merit Radius straight from the ports > collection. It isn't logging a detail file -- indeed, any sort of > logging. > > I've started it with: > radiusd -t0 -a /var/log/radius -g syslog > > Any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong here? I don't care about the > format of the detail files; I just want *some* sort of log. Opps, sorry, I didn't answer your question... :-( Check out our FAQ at: http://www.merit.edu/aaa/faq/html for information on how to get Livingston-style call detail records. The basic Merit AAA Server only produces these kinds of records BTW, so I don't quite understand your problem situation. Are you certain the NAS is sending Accounting-Requests to the Merit AAA Server? And, also, in the future send technical Merit AAA Server questions directly to aaa-support@merit.edu for fastest response... :-) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Senior Systems Research Programmer Merit Network, Inc. Email: web@merit.edu 4251 Plymouth Road, Suite C Phone: (734) 764-9993 Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105-2785 Fax: (734) 647-3185 [ Reuters, London, February 29, 1998: Scientists have announced discovering ] [ a meteorite which will strike the earth in March, 2028. Millions of UNIX ] [ coders expressed relief for being spared the UNIX epoch "crisis" of 2038. ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 14:04:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21737 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:04:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zet.internet.dk (zet.internet.dk [194.19.140.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21701 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:04:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@internet.dk) Received: from PC_leifn.image.dk (mail.swimsuit.internet.dk [194.255.12.232]) by zet.internet.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16134 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:26:59 +0200 Message-ID: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "freebsd-isp" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Leif Neland" Subject: "Temperature measurement" Date: Thu, 03 Sep 98 22:03:25 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA21731 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm running big brother to monitor our servers, but I would like something to do more than just a go/no-go test. Does there exist something which can measure how fast the webserver serves pages, the nameserver serves names, and the popserver pops? (Perhaps numbers can persuade the bosses to try freebsd instead of linux...) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 15:49:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10716 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:49:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.shellnet.co.uk (smtp.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10658 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@freebsd.co.uk) Received: from mailhost.shellnet.co.uk (mailhost.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.3]) by smtp.shellnet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1-shellnet.stevenf) with ESMTP id XAA23253 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:49:06 +0100 (BST) Posted-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:49:06 +0100 (BST) ceived: by mailhost.shellnet.co.uk with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3-Server (v2.10) for at Thu, 3 Sep 98 23:47:56 +0100 From: steve@freebsd.co.uk (Steven Fletcher) To: "Leif Neland" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Temperature measurement" Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:48:15 GMT Message-ID: <35ef18d9.9207979@mailhost.shellnet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id PAA10690 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 03 Sep 98 22:03:25 PDT, "Leif Neland" shaped the electrons to say: >I'm running big brother to monitor our servers, but I would like something to do more than just a go/no-go test. Does there exist something which can measure how fast the webserver serves pages, the nameserver serves names, and the popserver pops? > >(Perhaps numbers can persuade the bosses to try freebsd instead of linux...) I think we're on the same wavelength here... If your Hub/Router whatever supports SNMP read management (i.e, Cisco kit does), you can use a program, called the Multi Router Traffic Grapher, (MRTG), from http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html. You setup a cron job for every 5 minutes or so, and the program queries your routers/hubs/dialin boxes for information and will then graph it in nicely formatted HTML pages, with GIF's and the like. >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message Hope this helps you out as much as it helped me explain where are the unexpected bandwidth surges came from :) -Steven Fletcher (steven@shellnet.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 3 21:24:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22161 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from RWSystems.net (Commie.RWSystems.net [204.251.23.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22156 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:24:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystr.RWSystems.net) Received: from rwsystr.RWSystems.net([204.251.23.1]) (1604 bytes) by RWSystems.net via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:09:49 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1998-Jul-31) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:01:13 -0500 (CDT) From: James Wyatt To: Leif Neland cc: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: "Temperature measurement" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Leif Neland wrote: > I'm running big brother to monitor our servers, but I would like something to do more than just a go/no-go test. Does there exist something which can measure how fast the webserver serves pages, the nameserver serves names, and the popserver pops? [ Hard to cut much when the editor sees it as one line... 8{) ] What I would like to see is some dependency information. If our T1 router is out, maybe it should just report that, instead of reporting everything connected to it is down. HP's OpenView (a.k.a IBM's NetView/6000, etc...) and Tivoli have this kind of database but they are all fairly costly. Of course it is a cool package as it is: The best API can be having the source code! It is also nice to automagicly page LAN customers when their router or link is toes-up and not have to bother your NOC folk. btw: They also do autodiscovery well fairly well - sometimes too well. Just my two minutes worth - Jy@ (jwyatt@rwsystems.net) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 4 08:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03820 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.craxx.com (taz.craxx.com [195.108.198.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03780; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lva@dds.nl) Received: from uptight (cal050106.student.utwente.nl [130.89.230.96]) by mail.craxx.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01417; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:17:35 +0200 (CEST) From: "laurens van alphen" To: Cc: Subject: small LDA c program requested Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:17:20 +0200 Message-ID: <000501bdd817$1c440870$60e65982@uptight.student.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, working with cucipop-1.31 and the new vpop features. there are numerous bugs in the implementation that i basically fixed. my next move was a LDA that will deliver the way cucipop wants it: /var/mail/domain/user: #!/bin/sh umask 077 cat - >> /var/mail/${1}/${2} this indeed works. all i need now i a port to c for speed and security. things that need to be added are: - regex $1 and $2 to match a-z and - and . - check $1 (directory) exists, if not bail - check symlinks in $1 and $2 probably? the sendmail backend is this /etc/mail/virtusertable: user@domain: domain-user /etc/mail/aliases: domain-user: "|/path/to/script domain user" can i boil this in a sendmail Mmailer? am i missing something? can anyone help? suggestions welcome -- laurens van alphen craxx® e-consultants alphen@craxx.com http://craxx.com/ -- de informatie verzonden met dit e-mail bericht is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. gebruik van deze informatie door anderen dan de geadresseerde is verboden. openbaarmaking, vermenigvuldiging, verspreiding en/of verstrekking van deze informatie aan derden is niet toegestaan. craxx staat niet in voor de juiste en volledige verbrenging van de inhoud van een verzonden e-mail, noch voor tijdige ontvangst daarvan. -- the information contained in this communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. it is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorised to receive it. if you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. craxx is either liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 4 12:58:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22353 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:58:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from barney.webace.com.au ([203.25.160.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22348; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jasonm@barney.webace.com.au) Received: from localhost (jasonm@localhost) by barney.webace.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA22197; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 04:21:00 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from jasonm@barney.webace.com.au) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 04:21:00 +0800 (WST) From: Jason McKay To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Urgent, please help! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have just brought a Stallion Easy Connection 8/32 ISA, and are attempting to install it. We currently running a DIGIboard 8 in the same machine which works fine. When FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE boots, it reports: stl0: port 0x2a0 irq 10 on isa stlo: EC8/32-AT (driver 0.0.5) nrunit=0 nrboard=1 nrports=16 So it detects the Stallion ok, but when I try adding the devices: /dev/MAKEDEV /dev/ttyE0 it reports, no device name. I would be greatful for any suggestions. Thank You, Jason McKay. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 4 16:04:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21415 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:04:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from slaterm.amitar.com.au (slaterm.amitar.com.au [203.57.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21396; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:04:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from slaterm@slaterm.amitar.com.au) Received: from localhost (slaterm@localhost) by slaterm.amitar.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA03474; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 07:02:52 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from slaterm@slaterm.amitar.com.au) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 07:02:52 +0800 (WST) From: Michael Slater To: Jason McKay cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Urgent, please help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Working kinda late :) Anyway, you have to use the either the script supplied by stallion, or make them by hand.. cd /dev mknod ttyE1 c major minor for every device you need, i dont remember what the major number is, as i dont use stallion boards any more, but if you look in the stallion.c file, you will be able to find it. Michael On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Jason McKay wrote: > Hello, > > I have just brought a Stallion Easy Connection 8/32 ISA, and are > attempting to install it. We currently running a DIGIboard 8 in the same > machine which works fine. > > When FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE boots, it reports: > > stl0: port 0x2a0 irq 10 on isa > stlo: EC8/32-AT (driver 0.0.5) nrunit=0 nrboard=1 nrports=16 > > So it detects the Stallion ok, but when I try adding the devices: > > /dev/MAKEDEV /dev/ttyE0 > > it reports, no device name. > > > I would be greatful for any suggestions. > > Thank You, > Jason McKay. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 4 17:05:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01837 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01802; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.1 [OUT])) id PAA11925; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA12204; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:35:04 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id QAA16261; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:35:00 -0600 Message-ID: <35F1BBD9.7E2A42F@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 16:31:53 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: laurens van alphen CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: small LDA c program requested References: <000501bdd817$1c440870$60e65982@uptight.student.utwente.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org laurens van alphen wrote: > > hi all, > > working with cucipop-1.31 and the new vpop features. there are numerous bugs > in the implementation that i basically fixed. > > my next move was a LDA that will deliver the way cucipop wants it: > /var/mail/domain/user: > > #!/bin/sh > umask 077 > cat - >> /var/mail/${1}/${2} > > this indeed works. all i need now i a port to c for speed and security. > things that need to be added are: OK, I've hacked up a quick little program to do this. The error checking is fairly good, but it could use some logging capabilities. I've attached a Berkeley-style copyright, so you're free to extend it if you wish. If this is something that is of general interest to cucipop users, let me know so I can send it to Mr. van den Berg, or at least to the FreeBSD port maintainer. > - regex $1 and $2 to match a-z and - and . Got that -- I didn't use regex, it's too expensive in this simple case. I assumed you meant A-Z a-z . - for domain and user names. If not, remove the uppercase characters from the string validChars in function invalidName. > - check $1 (directory) exists, if not bail Got that, too. I didn't check for writability, since that will happen when we try to open() the file anyhow. > - check symlinks in $1 and $2 probably? I can add that, if you can tell me what you want. What I have here will work fine even if both the domain directory and the user file are symlinks; it is symlink-unaware. > suggestions welcome No suggestions, just code. ;^) > -- the information contained in this communication is confidential and > may be legally privileged. it is intended solely for the use of the > individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorised to > receive it. if you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified > that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in > reliance of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and > may be unlawful. craxx is either liable for the proper and complete > transmission of the information contained in this communication nor > for any delay in its receipt. This has got to be the most draconian .sig I've ever seen. What, precisely, do you expect to accomplish with this? ;^) Here's the program, for your compiling enjoyment: /*================================================================ * * LDA: a small Local Delivery Agent for email. * *---------------------------------------------------------------- * * Copyright 1998 Softweyr LLC, South Jordan Utah USA. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are * met: * * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, * this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY SOFTWEYR LLC ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR * IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES * OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. * IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, * INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES * (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR * SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) * HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, * STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN * ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE * POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. * *---------------------------------------------------------------- * * Author: Wes Peters, wes@softweyr.com * Date: 3 Sept 1998 * *================================================================*/ #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include char *programName; void abort(char *why, ...) { va_list ap; fprintf(stderr, "%s: ", programName); va_start(ap, why); vfprintf(stderr, why, ap); va_end(ap); exit(-1); } int invalidName(char *name) { static char *validChars = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYSabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz-."; if (strlen(name) > NAME_MAX) { return 1; } return strcspn(name, validChars); } int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char *domain, *user; int fd, nbytes; struct stat S; char mailbox[PATH_MAX + 1]; char buffer[BUFSIZ]; programName = argv[0]; domain = argv[1]; user = argv[2]; /* * Verify we have two arguments, and that they are valid domain/user * names. */ if (argc != 3) { abort("wrong number of arguments.\nusage: %s domain-name user-name", programName); } if (invalidName(argv[1])) { abort("incorrect domain name \"%s\".\n", domain); } if (invalidName(user)) { abort("incorrect user name \"%s\".\n", user); } /* * Make sure the domain directory exists and is writable. */ snprintf(mailbox, PATH_MAX, "/var/mail/%s", domain); if (stat(mailbox, &S) == -1) { abort("Cannot stat domain directory \"%s\".\n", mailbox); } if (!S_ISDIR(S.st_mode)) { abort("Domain directory \"%s\" is NOT a directory.\n", mailbox); } /* * Create the file and prepare to write. */ snprintf(mailbox, PATH_MAX, "/var/mail/%s/%s", domain, user); if ((fd = open(mailbox, O_WRONLY | O_APPEND | O_CREAT, 0600)) < 0) { abort("Cannot open user mailbox \"%s\" for appending.\n", mailbox); } /* * OK, copy stdin until exhausted. */ while ((nbytes = read(STDIN_FILENO, buffer, BUFSIZ)) > 0) { if (write(fd, buffer, nbytes) != nbytes) { abort("Error writing mailbox \"%s\".\n", mailbox); } } close(fd); return 0; } -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 4 17:50:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08303 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:50:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07625 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA125492315; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:51:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: James Wyatt Cc: Leif Neland , freebsd-isp Subject: Re: "Temperature measurement" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, James Wyatt wrote: > What I would like to see is some dependency information. If our T1 router > is out, maybe it should just report that, instead of reporting everything > connected to it is down. HP's OpenView (a.k.a IBM's NetView/6000, etc...) > and Tivoli have this kind of database but they are all fairly costly. Honestly, for asolution like this, I'd make some sort of homebrewed software using snmpget and snmpgetnext. My SNMP book is at work, and I don't feel like treading through a MIB database, but there are two field (ifOperStatus and ifAdminStatus, in the public/interface tree) that I think you should look into. One tells you want you want, the other is what you get. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 4 18:01:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10535 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:01:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10529 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA123311817; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:43:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:43:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Steven Fletcher Cc: Leif Neland , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Temperature measurement" In-Reply-To: <35ef18d9.9207979@mailhost.shellnet.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Steven Fletcher wrote: > I think we're on the same wavelength here... > If your Hub/Router whatever supports SNMP read management (i.e, Cisco > kit does), you can use a program, called the Multi Router Traffic > Grapher, (MRTG), from > http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html. You setup a > cron job for every 5 minutes or so, and the program queries your > routers/hubs/dialin boxes for information and will then graph it in > nicely formatted HTML pages, with GIF's and the like. # (cd /usr/ports/net/mrtg && make all install) This is a much more pleasant way to install this. MRTG is one of the best things I've ever seen. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 4 18:43:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17918 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:43:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from odyssey.apana.org.au (odyssey.apana.org.au [203.11.114.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17909; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:43:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Received: from localhost (dean@localhost) by odyssey.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06719; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:42:33 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:42:33 +0800 (WST) From: Dean Hollister To: Jason McKay cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Urgent, please help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Jason McKay wrote: > I have just brought a Stallion Easy Connection 8/32 ISA, and are > attempting to install it. We currently running a DIGIboard 8 in the same > machine which works fine. > > When FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE boots, it reports: > > stl0: port 0x2a0 irq 10 on isa > stlo: EC8/32-AT (driver 0.0.5) nrunit=0 nrboard=1 nrports=16 > > So it detects the Stallion ok, but when I try adding the devices: > > /dev/MAKEDEV /dev/ttyE0 I've resolved this with Jason. For the Stallion panels, you need a special script to create the devices. I've sent it to him... Regards, d. +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dean Hollister, | dean@mushka.ml.org | | Perth, Western Australia. | dean@wa.apana.org.au | +-------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 4 18:46:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18447 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:46:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from odyssey.apana.org.au (odyssey.apana.org.au [203.11.114.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18437; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:46:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Received: from localhost (dean@localhost) by odyssey.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA07427; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:45:04 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:45:04 +0800 (WST) From: Dean Hollister To: Michael Slater cc: Jason McKay , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Urgent, please help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Michael Slater wrote: > Working kinda late :) Anyway, you have to use the either the script > supplied by stallion, or make them by hand.. > > cd /dev > mknod ttyE1 c major minor for every device you need, i dont remember what > the major number is, as i dont use stallion boards any more, but if you > look in the stallion.c file, you will be able to find it. Stallion's special script can be obtained from ftp://ftp.wa.apana.org.au/pub/pc/unix/freebsd/stlmknod Regards, d. +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dean Hollister, | dean@mushka.ml.org | | Perth, Western Australia. | dean@wa.apana.org.au | +-------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 4 21:27:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09276 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:27:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09255; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:27:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20989; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:26:07 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199809050426.BAA20989@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: small LDA c program requested In-Reply-To: <35F1BBD9.7E2A42F@softweyr.com> from Wes Peters at "Sep 5, 98 04:31:53 pm" To: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:26:07 -0300 (EST) Cc: lva@dds.nl, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Wes Peters) // /* // * Create the file and prepare to write. // */ // snprintf(mailbox, PATH_MAX, "/var/mail/%s/%s", domain, user); // if ((fd = open(mailbox, O_WRONLY | O_APPEND | O_CREAT, 0600)) < 0) // { // abort("Cannot open user mailbox \"%s\" for appending.\n", mailbox); // } // // /* // * OK, copy stdin until exhausted. // */ // while ((nbytes = read(STDIN_FILENO, buffer, BUFSIZ)) > 0) // { // if (write(fd, buffer, nbytes) != nbytes) // { // abort("Error writing mailbox \"%s\".\n", mailbox); // } // } // // close(fd); // return 0; Shouldn't you lock the file ? O_APPEND is only good for atomic writes, IIRC. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis M.Sc. Student jonny@jonny.eng.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and Unix. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 5 00:09:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22843 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zet.internet.dk (zet.internet.dk [194.19.140.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22836 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:09:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@internet.dk) Received: from PC_leifn.image.dk (mail.swimsuit.internet.dk [194.255.12.232]) by zet.internet.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13511 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:08:49 +0200 Message-ID: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "freebsd-isp" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Leif Neland" Subject: something wrong with our dns? Some servers can't send mail to a client. Date: Thu, 03 Sep 98 22:14:04 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id AAA22839 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are the isp for a client which we hold mail for. The mx records are client.dom mx 50 mail.client.dom client.dom mx 100 mail.our.dom These are real names, not cnames. But sometimes, this client can't receive mail; the sender gets a message from qmail, I think, complaining it can't find the host client.dom client.dom doesn't have an ip-adress, only the mx'es shown above. Is the senders MTA broken? Do I have to make a workaround by giving client.dom a cname or an ip-adress too? If so, it probably should be mail.our.dom, I guess To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 5 00:29:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24959 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:29:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from odyssey.apana.org.au (odyssey.apana.org.au [203.11.114.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24935 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:29:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Received: from localhost (dean@localhost) by odyssey.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22427; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 15:26:42 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 15:26:40 +0800 (WST) From: Dean Hollister To: Leif Neland cc: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: something wrong with our dns? Some servers can't send mail to a client. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Leif Neland wrote: > We are the isp for a client which we hold mail for. > The mx records are > client.dom mx 50 mail.client.dom > client.dom mx 100 mail.our.dom Ummm, this should read: client.dom mx 50 mail.client.dom. client.dom mx 100 mail.our.dom. Otherwise, you'll find the domain appended again, if there is no trailing period. > client.dom doesn't have an ip-adress, only the mx'es shown above. Does the MX host itself have an "A" record in DNS? Regards, d. +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dean Hollister, | dean@mushka.ml.org | | Perth, Western Australia. | dean@wa.apana.org.au | +-------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 5 01:28:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02901 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netmug.org (netmug.org [207.88.43.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02891 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:28:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perl@netmug.org) Received: from localhost (perl@localhost) by netmug.org (8.8.8/NetMUG_1.0.0) with SMTP id BAA10638; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: perl To: Dean Hollister cc: Leif Neland , freebsd-isp Subject: Re: something wrong with our dns? Some servers can't send mail to a client. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org shouldn't it be client.dom. in mx 50 mail.client.dom. ^ ^^ Michael On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Dean Hollister wrote: > On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Leif Neland wrote: > > > We are the isp for a client which we hold mail for. > > The mx records are > > client.dom mx 50 mail.client.dom > > client.dom mx 100 mail.our.dom > > Ummm, this should read: > > client.dom mx 50 mail.client.dom. > client.dom mx 100 mail.our.dom. > > Otherwise, you'll find the domain appended again, if there is no trailing > period. > > > client.dom doesn't have an ip-adress, only the mx'es shown above. > > Does the MX host itself have an "A" record in DNS? > > Regards, > > d. > > +-------------------------------------------------------+ > | Dean Hollister, | dean@mushka.ml.org | > | Perth, Western Australia. | dean@wa.apana.org.au | > +-------------------------------------------------------+ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 5 01:37:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04052 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from odyssey.apana.org.au (odyssey.apana.org.au [203.11.114.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04039 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Received: from localhost (dean@localhost) by odyssey.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09414; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:35:03 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:35:03 +0800 (WST) From: Dean Hollister To: perl cc: Leif Neland , freebsd-isp Subject: Re: something wrong with our dns? Some servers can't send mail to a client. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, perl wrote: > shouldn't it be > > client.dom. in mx 50 mail.client.dom. > ^ ^^ Yep. Typo. ;-) Regards, d. +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dean Hollister, | dean@mushka.ml.org | | Perth, Western Australia. | dean@wa.apana.org.au | +-------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 5 22:53:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01757 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01739; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:53:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (wes@zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01170; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 00:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35F2248F.87CE70FC@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:58:39 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis CC: lva@dds.nl, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: small LDA c program requested References: <199809050426.BAA20989@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > > #define quoting(Wes Peters) > // /* > // * Create the file and prepare to write. > // */ > // snprintf(mailbox, PATH_MAX, "/var/mail/%s/%s", domain, user); > // if ((fd = open(mailbox, O_WRONLY | O_APPEND | O_CREAT, 0600)) < 0) > // { > // abort("Cannot open user mailbox \"%s\" for appending.\n", mailbox); > // } > // > // /* > // * OK, copy stdin until exhausted. > // */ > // while ((nbytes = read(STDIN_FILENO, buffer, BUFSIZ)) > 0) > // { > // if (write(fd, buffer, nbytes) != nbytes) > // { > // abort("Error writing mailbox \"%s\".\n", mailbox); > // } > // } > // > // close(fd); > // return 0; > > Shouldn't you lock the file ? O_APPEND is only good for atomic > writes, IIRC. You're right. A quick fix would be to open the file with O_EXLOCK and puke if the filesystem doesn't support locking; this would rule out NFS-mounted mailboxes. It would be better, IMHO, to collect the entire input and write it in a single call, but this might get expensive in terms of memory allocation. You could do it by allocating a number of large, fixed-size buffers and using writev for output, but what about some bonehead who mails a 40 Meg "Word" document? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 5 23:10:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03727 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03705; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01265; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 03:10:40 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199809060610.DAA01265@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: small LDA c program requested In-Reply-To: <35F2248F.87CE70FC@softweyr.com> from Wes Peters at "Sep 5, 98 11:58:39 pm" To: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 03:10:40 -0300 (EST) Cc: jonny@jonny.eng.br, lva@dds.nl, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Wes Peters) // > Shouldn't you lock the file ? O_APPEND is only good for atomic // > writes, IIRC. // // You're right. A quick fix would be to open the file with O_EXLOCK // and puke if the filesystem doesn't support locking; this would rule // out NFS-mounted mailboxes. Which should not be used anyway, at least with the current implementation in FreeBSD. I've already lost lots of email by reading it over NFS. Now I just ssh the mail server and call elm from there. // It would be better, IMHO, to collect the entire input and write it in a // single call, but this might get expensive in terms of memory allocation. // You could do it by allocating a number of large, fixed-size buffers and // using writev for output, but what about some bonehead who mails a 40 Meg // "Word" document? Users are always ahead of managers in terms of finding new problems :) But I'm not sure. Wouldn't NFS break the write in smaller ones ? Is there such atomic write in NFS, even for VERY large blocks ? Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis M.Sc. Student jonny@jonny.eng.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and Unix. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 5 23:46:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09345 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:46:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09288 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:46:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16773; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters), lva@dds.nl, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: small LDA c program requested In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 06 Sep 1998 03:10:40 -0300." <199809060610.DAA01265@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:45:40 -0700 Message-ID: <16768.905064340@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 1. Please don't cross-post to both -isp and -security. One list or the other please, but not both. 2. This quote: > "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and Unix. > We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Has always bugged me because LSD never even came close to being a Berkeley thing and Mr. Anderson is being cute at the expense of the facts. :) LSD came from Sandoz in Switzerland of all places and was probably popularized by Tim Leary at HARVARD more than anything else. Berkeley gets unfair (and somewhat inexplicable) credit for this one, being more known for its political demonstrations than LSD in the 60's. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message