From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 13 00:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29580 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29575 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:08:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA00824; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:08:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19981213000812.44548@rdrop.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:08:12 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: Rowan Crowe Cc: Dean Hollister , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail morons References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Rowan Crowe on Sun, Dec 13, 1998 at 06:43:50PM +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Dec 13, 1998 at 06:43:50PM +1100, Rowan Crowe wrote: > Also, adding in IPs requires periodic review of the database by a human. Since the offending address changes every time (at least in my case), what I want is a limit on the number of simultaneous connections from the same domain. These things fill up memory until the whole system is paging. Until then, I'm going to have script something to implement such a restriction. -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/batie Me batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ www.anti-spam.net NO SPAM! --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNnN17Iv4wNua7QglAQH/swQAtAvLjfkUSgYlHRaNZXe2cHgsejDgGKoA h5GKZ7thOPo/aswH77XBL46GtAMUJGrTxhPVmpYDOGRxmQoOJ22t8Y4sL6divVIY xHUCNXgCgrX5sj/VkgJd20D2uwr51ggFPKRNn6gvLgwLpIxITZq/+iTBvecysghX +vz/KJ3OIq8= =fN+O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 13 00:19:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00307 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:19:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from defiant.apana.org.au (defiant.apana.org.au [203.11.114.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00301 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:19:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Received: from odyssey.apana.org.au (odyssey.apana.org.au [203.11.114.1]) by defiant.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18099; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:18:26 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:18:25 +0800 (WST) From: Dean Hollister To: Alan Batie cc: Rowan Crowe , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail morons In-Reply-To: <19981213000812.44548@rdrop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Alan Batie wrote: > Since the offending address changes every time (at least in my case), > what I want is a limit on the number of simultaneous connections from > the same domain. These things fill up memory until the whole system > is paging. Until then, I'm going to have script something to implement > such a restriction. >From the *same* domain. I'm not aware that Sendmail is capable. You can only limit the total number of connections. Regards, d. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 13 00:22:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00632 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:22:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from odyssey.apana.org.au (odyssey.apana.org.au [203.11.114.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00627 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:22:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Received: from odyssey.apana.org.au (odyssey.apana.org.au [203.11.114.1]) by odyssey.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16877; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:21:56 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:21:55 +0800 (WST) From: Dean Hollister To: Rowan Crowe cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail morons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Rowan Crowe wrote: > Note that I specified "machine performance issue". I'd rather have my > server have an absolute known limit where it no longer accepts new > connections rather than a steady decline as more and more sendmail > processes appear with each new connection. Seeing a machine run out of > swap space is not fun. ;\ If you're worried about performance, then limit the number of connections right down to 10-20. > This absolute limit could also be of use in something like a SYN flood > attack. (Note that limiting to 30 is probably _way_ too low, that's just > something I've started with. Still experimenting). I disagree with your suggestion that 30 is too low. If anything, 30 is too high. > Also, adding in IPs requires periodic review of the database by a human. You can block by class-c, btw, not just single ips. Regards, d. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 13 00:36:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02031 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:36:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02019 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:36:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29178; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:36:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07727; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA23774; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:35:58 -0800 (PST) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199812130835.AAA23774@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:35:58 -0800 In-Reply-To: Dean Hollister "Re: sendmail morons" (Dec 13, 4:21pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Dean Hollister , Rowan Crowe Subject: Re: sendmail morons Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Dec 13, 4:21pm, Dean Hollister wrote: } Subject: Re: sendmail morons } > Also, adding in IPs requires periodic review of the database by a human. } } You can block by class-c, btw, not just single ips. Since these connections generally are coming from some ISP's dialin ports, you should also investigate . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 13 00:43:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02618 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from main.piter.net (main.piter.net [195.201.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02612 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:43:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cyril@main.piter.net) Received: (from cyril@localhost) by main.piter.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/sply) id LAA28072; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:49:29 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from cyril) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:49:29 +0300 (MSK) From: "Cyril A. Vechera" Message-Id: <199812130849.LAA28072@main.piter.net> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, toasty@home.dragondata.com Subject: Re: sendmail morons Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 13 09:35:56 1998 > From: Kevin Day > Subject: sendmail morons > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:03:44 -0600 (CST) > > > Somehow, we're on some spam software's list of open relays, I think. We > aren't open to relaying, but people sure try. > > I'm guessing this is a bug in the software, but... when it can't relay, it > leaves the connection open, then goes and tries again, and again..... > > I'll end up with hundreds of these sometimes.. They timeout in 15-20 mins, > but my server is thrashing so badly at that point, it's unusable. > > Anyone see this? Anyone know what I can do? > > Sendmail is almost always sitting in 'cmd read' or 'child wait'. try to run ipltd with limitation of packet not bytes, reasonable enough to set buffer size about 10 packets and and say ipltd to limit about 1 packet per second. others ones are to be buffered. and set up ipfw-divertion with rules something like ipfw add {proper_number} divert ipltd tcp from any to my_sendmail_host smtp setup > > > Kevin Day > DragonData > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 13 03:36:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA18347 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:36:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA18328; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:36:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:36:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812131136.DAA18328@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: dean@odyssey.apana.org.au CC: toasty@home.dragondata.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Dean Hollister on Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:41:35 +0800 (WST)) Subject: Re: sendmail morons References: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:41:35 +0800 (WST) > From: Dean Hollister > cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Kevin Day wrote: > > > Somehow, we're on some spam software's list of open relays, I think. We > > aren't open to relaying, but people sure try. > > > > I'm guessing this is a bug in the software, but... when it can't relay, it > > leaves the connection open, then goes and tries again, and again..... > > [snippity] > > > I'll end up with hundreds of these sometimes.. They timeout in 15-20 mins, > > but my server is thrashing so badly at that point, it's unusable. > > > > Anyone see this? Anyone know what I can do? > > Yes, I added the IP to our local database of blocked ip's. The server > returns a permission denied error (550). > > > Sendmail is almost always sitting in 'cmd read' or 'child wait'. > > Eventually, it will timeout. you can refuse connections from any IP or domain that you choose. thisis one way that we keep spam out of the mailing lists. checkout the files in /etc/mail. or add these to your sendmail.cf [beware of converting tabs to spaces using cut-n-paste] jmb Kdenyip hash -o -a.REJECT /etc/mail/denyip.db Kfakenames hash -o -a.REJECT /etc/mail/fakenames.db Kspamsites hash -o -a.REJECT /etc/mail/spamsites.db # helper rulsesets; useful for debugging sendmail configurations # # Scheck_rbl # lookup up an ip address in the Realtime Blackhole List. R$-.$-.$-.$- $: $(host $4.$3.$2.$1.rbl.maps.vix.com. $:OK $) Scheck_dul R$-.$-.$-.$- $: $(host $4.$3.$2.$1.dul.orca.bc.ca. $:OK $) Sxlat # for sendmail -bt # sendmail treats "$" and "|" as two distinct tokens # this rule "pastes" them together into one token # and then calls check_relay. R$* $$| $* $: $1 $| $2 R$* $| $* $@ $>check_relay $1 $| $2 Scheck_relay # called with "hostname.tld $| IP address" of connecting host. # hostname.tld is the fully-qualified domain name # IP address is dotted-quad with surrounding "[]" brackets. # # each group of rules in this ruleset is independent. # each accepts and return "hostname.tld $| IP address" # use the ones that you want comment out the rest # you may rearrange the groups but not the rules in each group. # each group is preceded and followed by a comment # # host must NOT be in the "spamsites" database--BEGIN R$* $| $* $: <$1 $| $2> $1 R<$*> $+.$+.$+ $: <$1> $(spamsites $2.$3.$4 $) R<$*> $*.REJECT $#error $: "521 blocked. contact postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG" R<$*> $+.$+.$+ <$1> $3.$4 R<$*> $+.$+ $: <$1> $(spamsites $2.$3 $) R<$*> $*.REJECT $#error $: "521 blocked. contact postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG" R<$*> $* $: $1 # host must NOT be in the "spamsites" database--END # ip address must NOT be in the "denyip" database--BEGIN R$* $| $* $: $1 $| $(denyip $2 $) R$* $| $*.REJECT $#error $: "521 blocked. contact postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG" # ip address must NOT be in the "denyip" database--END # ip address must NOT be in Paul Vixie's RBL--BEGIN R$* $| $* $: <$1 $| $2> $>check_rbl $2 R$*.com. $#error $: "550 Mail refused, see http://maps.vix.com/rbl" R<$*> $* $: $1 # ip address must NOT be in Paul Vixie's RBL--END # ip address must NOT be in the Dialup Users List--BEGIN R$* $| $* $: <$1 $| $2> $>check_dul $2 R$*.com. $#error $: "550 Mail refused, see http://www.orca.bc.ca/dul/dul.htm R<$*> $* $: $1 # ip address must NOT be in the Dialup Users List--END R$* $@ OK Scheck_mail # called with envelope sender (everything after ":") in # "Mail From: xxx", of SMTP conversation # may or may not have "<" ">" # the groups of rules in this ruleset ARE NOT independent. # "remove all RFC-822 comments" must come first # "Connecting Host" and "Paul Vixie's RBL" must be last # # use the ones that you want comment out the rest # each group is preceded and followed by a comment # # remove all RFC-822 comments--BEGIN # MUST be first rule in check_mail rulseset. R$* $: $>3 $1 # remove all RFC-822 comments--END # mail must come from a DNS resolvable host--BEGIN R$* < @ $+ . > $: $1 @ $2 R$* < @ $+ > $#error $: "451 Domain does not resolve" # mail must come from a DNS resolvable host--END # mail must NOT come from a known source of spam--BEGIN # resolved. second check: one of the know spam sources? R$+ @$+ $: <$1@$2> $2 R<$*> $+.$+.$+ $: <$1> $(spamsites $2.$3.$4 $) R<$*> $*.REJECT $#error $: "521 blocked. contact postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG" R<$*> $+.$+.$+ <$1> $3.$4 R<$*> $* $: $(spamsites $2 $: OK $) R$+.REJECT $#error $: "521 blocked. contact postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG" R<$*> $* $: $1 # mail must NOT come from a known source of spam--END # Connecting Host must resolve--BEGIN R$* $: $1 $: $(dequote "" $&{client_name} $) R$* $: $>3 foo@$1 R<$*> $*<@$*> $#error $: "451 Domain does not resolve" # Connecting Host must resolve--END R$* $@ OK Scheck_rcpt # called with envelope recipient (everything after ":") in # "Rcpt To: xxx", of SMTP conversation # may or may not have "<" ">" and or RFC-822 comments. # let ruleset 3 clean this up for us. # # mail must NOT be addressed "fakenames"--BEGIN R$* $: <$1> $>3 $1 R<$*> $+ < @ $+ > $: <$1> $(fakenames $2 $: OK $) R$+.REJECT $#error $: 521 $1 R<$*> $* $: $1 # mail must NOT be addressed "fakenames"--END # # mail must come from or go to this machine or machines we allow to relay--BEGIN R$+ $: $(dequote "" $&{client_addr} $) $| $1 R0 $| $* $@ ok R$={LocalIP}$* $| $* $@ ok # not local, check rcpt R$* $| $* $: $>3 $2 # remove local part, maybe repeatedly R$+ $:$>removelocal $1 # still something left? R$*<@$+>$* $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: 550 we do not relay # Sremovelocal # remove RelayTo part (maybe repeatedly) # R$*<@$*$={RelayTo}.>$* $>3 $1 $4 R$*<@$=w.>$* $: $>removelocal $>3 $1 $3 R$*<@$*>$* $@ $1<@$2>$3 # dequote local part R$- $: $>3 $(dequote $1 $) R$*<@$*>$* $: $>removelocal $1<@$2>$3 # mail must come from or go to this machine or machines we allow to relay--END To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 13 06:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03352 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:22:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jcarter.cais.com (jcarter.cais.com [205.252.8.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03347 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:22:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patton@sysnet.net) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (saturn.falcon.com [192.168.1.10]) by jcarter.cais.com (8.9.1a/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29813 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:02:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199812130849.LAA28072@main.piter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:27:47 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Matthew Patton Subject: Re: sendmail morons Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hey guys! Doesn't anybody look at the .cf file? #O Timeout.initial=5m #O Timeout.connect=5m #O Timeout.iconnect=5m #O Timeout.helo=5m #O Timeout.mail=10m #O Timeout.rcpt=1h #O Timeout.datainit=5m #O Timeout.datablock=1h #O Timeout.datafinal=1h #O Timeout.rset=5m #O Timeout.quit=2m #O Timeout.misc=2m #O Timeout.command=1h #O Timeout.ident=30s #O Timeout.fileopen=60s O Timeout.queuereturn=5d #O Timeout.queuereturn.normal=5d #O Timeout.queuereturn.urgent=2d #O Timeout.queuereturn.non-urgent=7d O Timeout.queuewarn=4h #O Timeout.queuewarn.normal=4h #O Timeout.queuewarn.urgent=1h #O Timeout.queuewarn.non-urgent=12h #O Timeout.hoststatus=30m Start messing with these in addition to RBL and other blocking. Using smtpd and enforcing issues like reverse DNS exists, or a proper NS record is helpful too. you can see from the above listing, the timeout values are WAY!!! too long for practically everything. -------- OpenBSD - Because security matters... (http://www.openbsd.org/) "There is one terrifying word in the world of nuclear physics, Oops." - Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theator 3000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 14 09:28:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14475 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:28:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14419; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:28:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wpeters@xylan.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id JAA25638; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:28:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id JAA04386; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:28:28 -0800 Received: from xylan.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id KAA28905; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:28:27 -0700 Message-ID: <36754AC1.5F05F9F1@xylan.com> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:28:33 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Xylan Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ISDN for FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My PPP dial-in server is now working quite well. So well, in fact, that the user who is sponsoring it (and buying all the hardware) wants to upgrade to ISDN. This shouldn't be a problem, we already have a couple of ISDN lines here that aren't being used. Her ISDN line is in, but hasn't been tested yet. I need to equip my FreeBSD server for ISDN, so I'm looking for suggestions. I use user-mode PPP, and would like to support either bonding or MP so I can give her 128K throughput. Please advise on TAs, internal or external, that work well with PPP on FreeBSD. If I get an external TA, do I need to get either a sync serial card or a 16750 based async card? -- Wes Peters Who's going to save you Principal Engineer When you're a slave to Xylan Corporation A diamond as big as the Ritz wpeters@xylan.com -- Jimmy Buffett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 14 10:57:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25889 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:57:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25882 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:57:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04151; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:56:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) X-Envelope-Recipient: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:56:23 -0800 (PST) From: David Babler To: Kevin Day cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail morons In-Reply-To: <199812130603.AAA14915@home.dragondata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Kevin Day wrote: > > Somehow, we're on some spam software's list of open relays, I think. We > aren't open to relaying, but people sure try. > > I'm guessing this is a bug in the software, but... when it can't relay, it > leaves the connection open, then goes and tries again, and again..... > > root 14170 0.0 1.2 636 736 ?? I 11:47PM 0:00.02 sendmail: server guy78@van-wa1-17.ix.netcom.com [205.184.177.49] cmd read (sendmail) In addition to cutting down the delay time and blocking the IP range as others have suggested, this is coming from a Netcom dialup in Vancouver, Washington. There aren't all THAT many dialup ports there, so finding the clueless moron won't be difficult - call Netcom and report a network security problem and DoS (which this is) and have the bozo nuked. -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 14 11:01:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26773 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:01:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26741 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:01:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA23537; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:00:39 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199812141900.NAA23537@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: sendmail morons In-Reply-To: from David Babler at "Dec 14, 1998 10:56:23 am" To: dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com (David Babler) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:00:38 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Kevin Day wrote: > > > > > Somehow, we're on some spam software's list of open relays, I think. We > > aren't open to relaying, but people sure try. > > > > I'm guessing this is a bug in the software, but... when it can't relay, it > > leaves the connection open, then goes and tries again, and again..... > > > > root 14170 0.0 1.2 636 736 ?? I 11:47PM 0:00.02 > sendmail: server guy78@van-wa1-17.ix.netcom.com [205.184.177.49] cmd read > (sendmail) > > In addition to cutting down the delay time and blocking the IP range as > others have suggested, this is coming from a Netcom dialup in Vancouver, > Washington. There aren't all THAT many dialup ports there, so finding the > clueless moron won't be difficult - call Netcom and report a network > security problem and DoS (which this is) and have the bozo nuked. > > -Dave > > I've dropped down the timeouts, and I've blocked IP's... However... I must be on some list somewhre, as we get 20-30 people a day doing this to us, all from different dialups/providers. I'm thinking about hacking sendmail to drop the connection after it says 'relay not permitted' so they don't hang on like this. Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 14 12:18:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06010 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:18:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail5.realtime.net (mail5.realtime.net [205.238.128.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05969 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:17:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gee2@realtime.net) Received: from pit ([205.238.164.35]) by mail5.realtime.net ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:17:59 -600 Message-ID: <36757294.4116@realtime.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:18:28 -0600 From: George Wenzel Reply-To: gee2@realtime.net Organization: Real/Time Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Batie CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail morons References: <19981213000812.44548@rdrop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alan Batie wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 13, 1998 at 06:43:50PM +1100, Rowan Crowe wrote: > > Also, adding in IPs requires periodic review of the database by a human. > > Since the offending address changes every time (at least in my case), > what I want is a limit on the number of simultaneous connections from > the same domain. These things fill up memory until the whole system > is paging. Until then, I'm going to have script something to implement > such a restriction. > I put up a new mail firewall (www.mailshield.com) and saw something very troubling in my logs as they flew by in real-time. I was seeing a pattern where I would reject a message from a specific ip (a UUNET or PSI dialup IP address for example). Then the SAME rejection pattern would occur again 1/4th of a second later on another IP address (another dialup IP, this time from a different ISP). THEN another and another... Over a 2 second period the same message would attempt to get delivered 8 different times by 8 dialup IP addresses on 8 different ISP's. Then 20 minutes later the pattern would come again, from a NEW set of 8 IP addresses. Now these are some serious spam-bots running. They hammer /hard/ when they hammer. This year I went from a level of comfort to 24/7 overload, over a three week period starting in mid November. The holiday season is bringing out a new crop of spammers, only now they are better armed. I replaced my mail server with something running smarter software, and with the Mailshield product I'm starting to think I might get to stop wrestling with mail long enough to have a holiday myself! Previous attempts to firewall using perimeter MXing caused the problem to get worse when our mailqueues were clogging with undeliverable bounce messages. Mailshield pushes unknown user rejections to the edge of your mail network, allowing you to keep the responsibility of bounce processing limited to the sending mail server. In the short time we have been running Mailshield it has made the difference between a server that is useless, and a server that has room to grow by almost an order of magnatude. George Death to spam! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 14 12:29:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07596 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:29:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07563; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:29:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06202; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:29:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:29:03 +0100 Message-ID: <6200.913667343.1@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: testers wanted: E1 / Nx64 interface card for FreeBSD. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa" Content-Description: Blind Carbon Copy Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Original Message Subject: testers wanted: E1 / Nx64 interface card for FreeBSD. From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:29:03 +0100 Message-ID: <6200.913667343@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@critter.freebsd.dk Bcc: Blind Distribution List: ; I am working on a driver for a E1/Nx64 interface card for FreeBSD. The card is PCI bus-mastering, can do 31 HDLC channels, and has a balanced E1 interface (G.703 120 Ohm). A T1 version is possible if there is sufficient interest (send me email!). The driver exists and performs well, but the framework in the FreeBSD kernel needs much more work before support for this kind of stuff can be called "serious". To further this cause, I am offering the card and driver (binary) for USD1100 (or DKR7000) to any interested and qualified testers. The majority of the profit from this sale will go into improving the FreeBSD kernels support for serial line routing use, a minor part of the profit will go into making sure my family don't starve in the meantime. The card is currently NOT approved for connection to any networks anywhere, so use it only where you are allowed to (by applicable rules and/or morals). If there is sufficient interest, I will also be interested in finding a company who can produce and possibly market these cards for me. I don't really want to be in the hardware business if I can avoid it. Send me email if you are interested in any of this. Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 14 13:22:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14323 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:22:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14312; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:22:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA29094; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com( 207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029088; Mon, 14 Dec 98 13:20:39 -0800 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA22342; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:20:39 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199812142120.NAA22342@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: ISDN for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <36754AC1.5F05F9F1@xylan.com> from Wes Peters at "Dec 14, 98 10:28:33 am" To: wpeters@xylan.com (Wes Peters) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:20:39 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters writes: > I use user-mode PPP, and would like to support either bonding or MP so > I can give her 128K throughput. Please advise on TAs, internal or > external, that work well with PPP on FreeBSD. > > If I get an external TA, do I need to get either a sync serial card or > a 16750 based async card? BitSURFR Pro EZ works pretty well.. also 3Com Impact IQ. You can do up to 115Kbps on a standard 16550A, which is close to 128Kbps.. No US-ISDN internal (ie, non-TA) ISDN cards are supported. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 14 14:03:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18759 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:03:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from s2.ijs.com (s2.ijs.com [205.149.188.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18750 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:03:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jivko@ijs.com) From: jivko@ijs.com Received: from lapatopa1 (laptop.ijs.com [205.149.188.23]) by s2.ijs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20791 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:57:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981214135448.00d62bb0@ijs.com> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:03:06 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NT rexec question In-Reply-To: References: <199810280328.LAA02807@trans.hk.hi.cn.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Sorry for this not very relevant question. I thought one of you might have a quick answer for me. I am trying to get a perl script running on an NT machine, which executes commands on one of our FreeBSD servers. Unfortunately the rexec command, which comes with NT, does not want to take the UNIX account password from the command line or at least I cannot figure out how to do it. It would not take the password from pipe ether and I am kind of stuck with it.... Does anybody know how to do something like this? Perhaps there is another rexec for NT somewhere I can use? Thanks! Jivko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 14 15:31:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00136 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:31:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhub.ainet.com (mailhub.ainet.com [204.30.40.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00131 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:31:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmscott@ainet.com) Received: from shell.ainet.com (jmscott@shell.ainet.com [204.30.40.108]) by mailhub.ainet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA28133; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by shell.ainet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14357; for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 14 Dec 98 15:33:27 PST Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:33:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Scott" To: jivko@ijs.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NT rexec question In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981214135448.00d62bb0@ijs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wrote a perl script that used the telnet module to log into a FreeBSD machine and do some stuff. If worked well, you may want to look at that. Really this doesn't have anything to do with FreeBSD, you may get more info/help from the perl newsgroups. * Joseph M. Scott * jmscott@ainet.com * American InfoMetrics * Modesto, CA On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 jivko@ijs.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Sorry for this not very relevant question. I thought one of you might have > a quick answer for me. > > I am trying to get a perl script running on an NT machine, which executes > commands on one of our FreeBSD servers. Unfortunately the rexec command, > which comes with NT, does not want to take the UNIX account password from > the command line or at least I cannot figure out how to do it. It would not > take the password from pipe ether and I am kind of stuck with it.... > > Does anybody know how to do something like this? Perhaps there is another > rexec for NT somewhere I can use? > > Thanks! > Jivko > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 14 17:46:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17784 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:46:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cscfx.sytex.com (cscfx.sytex.com [205.147.190.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17774 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:46:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rwc@cscfx.sytex.com) Received: (from rwc@localhost) by cscfx.sytex.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA08575; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:46:16 -0500 From: Richard Cramer Message-Id: <199812150146.UAA08575@cscfx.sytex.com> Subject: Re: ISDN for FreeBSD To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:46:15 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: rcramer@sytex.net In-Reply-To: <199812142120.NAA22342@bubba.whistle.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at Dec 14, 98 01:20:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Archie, I have been trying to search out an isdn solution for FreeBSD, and in the course of doing this I have found that Motorola is no longer selling any of the BitSurfer products as well as certain other consumer adapters. You should check their web site for more information. Dick -- Richard Cramer rcramer@sytex.net Phone: 703-425-2515 President Fax: 703-425-4585 SytexNet(tm) Sytex Access Ltd. POB 2385, Fairfax, VA 22031-0385 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 14 17:47:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18079 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www ([203.95.3.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18054 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:47:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hye@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: by www (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00245; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:38:32 +0800 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:38:32 +0800 From: hye@www.xh.sh.cn (Ye Hong) Message-Id: <9812150038.AA00245@www> To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: hello Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org just a test by abc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 14 18:20:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23192 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:20:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ts.shopnet.com (ts.shopnet.com [208.131.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23126; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:20:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deichert@wildponies.org) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id TAA29931; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:22:49 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:22:49 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: Archie Cobbs cc: Wes Peters , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199812142120.NAA22342@bubba.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org there is a patch for higher speed serial cards, Zyxel for one. dod a search through the archives. I jusst posted the URL a couple of weeks ago. diana On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Archie Cobbs wrote: > Wes Peters writes: > > I use user-mode PPP, and would like to support either bonding or MP so > > I can give her 128K throughput. Please advise on TAs, internal or > > external, that work well with PPP on FreeBSD. > > > > If I get an external TA, do I need to get either a sync serial card or > > a 16750 based async card? > > BitSURFR Pro EZ works pretty well.. also 3Com Impact IQ. > You can do up to 115Kbps on a standard 16550A, which is close > to 128Kbps.. > > No US-ISDN internal (ie, non-TA) ISDN cards are supported. > > -Archie > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Diana Eichert IT Manager McKinley Paper Company deeiche@mckinleypaper.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 15 08:52:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18762 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:52:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from veronet.net (ns.veronet.net [199.227.78.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18756 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:52:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mmoran@veronet.net) Received: from columbia (pm1-19.veronet.net [199.227.80.19]) by veronet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07593 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:59:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19981215115241.007a45b0@veronet.net> X-Sender: mmoran@veronet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:52:41 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Michael Moran Subject: Strange message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone can tell me what is meant? Dec 15 11:39:42 veronet named[74]: Lame server on '249.128/25.231.31.209.in-addr .arpa' (in '128/25.231.31.209.in-addr.arpa'?): [209.31.231.129].53 'ns1.newthoug ht.net': learnt (A=206.173.119.72,NS=206.173.119.72) - Mike Moran ------------------------------------------------ Michael Moran - VeroNet - http://www.veronet.net P.O. Box 650222 - Vero Beach, Florida 32965-0222 E-Mail: mmoran@veronet.net - Fax: (561) 978-0686 ------------------------------------------------ "Go ahead, make my day." - Harry Callahan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 15 15:40:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14086 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:40:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14079 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:40:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06250; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:40:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07246; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00778; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:40:21 -0800 (PST) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199812152340.PAA00778@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:40:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: Michael Moran "Strange message" (Dec 15, 11:52am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Michael Moran , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange message Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Dec 15, 11:52am, Michael Moran wrote: } Subject: Strange message } } Anyone can tell me what is meant? } } Dec 15 11:39:42 veronet named[74]: Lame server on } '249.128/25.231.31.209.in-addr } .arpa' (in '128/25.231.31.209.in-addr.arpa'?): [209.31.231.129].53 } 'ns1.newthoug } ht.net': learnt (A=206.173.119.72,NS=206.173.119.72) It means that your name server was asking about 249.128/25.231.31.209.in-addr.arpa. The server at IP address 206.173.119.72 (tycho.concentric.net) told your server to send this query to ns1.newthought.net because ns1.newthought.net is supposed to be an authoritative server for the zone 128/25.231.31.209.in-addr.arpa, and the server at IP address 206.173.119.72 also told your server that the IP address of ns1.newthought.net is 209.31.231.129. When your server sent the query to 209.31.231.129, the response that it got indicated that the server at 209.31.231.129 is not authoritative for the zone 128/25.231.31.209.in-addr.arpa. This means that either tycho.concentric.net has the wrong server name for the zone 128/25.231.31.209.in-addr.arpa. The server should not be ns1.newthought.net, but something else. tycho.concentric.net sent your server the incorrect IP address for ns1.newthought.net, possibly because its cache picked up the incorrect address from another server. ns1.newthought.net is supposed to be authoritative for 128/25.231.31.209.in-addr.arpa but is somehow misconfigured. Your choices are to either contact the operators of the broken servers to let them know that they need to fix their problem, or to ignore this message and the possible failure of your server to find the answer to the query it is attempting to resolve. This should all be documented in the BIND book. Be glad that this long explanation isn't syslogged every time your name server encounters a broken server. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 15 20:13:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17235 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:13:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17229 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:13:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dswartz@druber.com) Received: from manticore (manticore.druber.com [207.180.95.108]) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA25649 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:13:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981215231329.00966ae0@mail.kersur.net> X-Sender: druber@mail.kersur.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:13:29 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dan Swartzendruber Subject: RAID solutions? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What are folks using for RAID for 2.2.x systems for news servers? I'm currently running a 2.2.7 box. A P300 with 512MB RAM. 11 2GB UW drives on 2 2940 controllers. 8 of the drives are striped with CCD. One for spool, one for INN db files and one for OS use. It had been okay for most of this year, but the amount of binary garbage has gotten to the point where we can't keep articles for but a couple of days max. Management wants to do whatever will make this issue go away. I told them that meant at least 90GB of news spool. Their reply was "Okay, whatever. What HW do you want us to get?" I've been thinking of vinum (possibly the RAID5 variant). I had been shying away from hardware based solutions, due to cost. One concern I had about a SW solution: most likely we would be adding 8 9GB drives, to make a total of 88GB of spool. The question is: this makes about 20 drives. Will FreeBSD handle this? Does anyone here have any experience that this level of disk-farm? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 02:50:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23030 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:50:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.vecom.com ([209.3.32.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23025 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:50:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mavit@vecom.com) Received: from work (ppp69.intervista.com.br [200.245.102.69]) by ns.vecom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA23115 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:50:05 GMT Message-ID: <009701be28e1$cbcb3f00$0600000a@work.eca> From: "Marcos Viterbo" To: Subject: CGI problems Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:49:42 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings. I am facing some problems with CGIs (freebsd_2.2.6 + apache_1.3.0). When the system reaches about 55 apache instances the CGIs won't execute anymore and returns a 500 error. I recompiled the kernel and libc altring FD_SETSIZE=1024, maxusers=256, open_max, max_proc (child_max) in the kernel and login.conf, maxconn to 256, nmbclusters=8192, recompiled apache with a higher maxclients. The system has 128 MB RAM (it never goes beyond 50MB). It happens only with external CGIs (PHP3 supports as many instances as the apache is configured to). Thank you for any help. Marcos Viterbo mavit@vecom.com Vecom Net 55 11 884 0605 Sao Paulo - Brazil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 03:12:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25188 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:12:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.palnet.com (mail.palnet.com [192.116.16.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25172 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:12:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjebara@palnet.com) Received: from localhost (rjebara@localhost) by mail.palnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16141 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:12:10 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:12:10 +0200 (IST) From: Rami Abu Jebara To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ORACLE on FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I know this might be off topic, but I heard a rumor that Oracle might be available for FreeBSD soon. I have a new WEB<->database project and I will have to use oracle. I have oracle for linux, but I prefere FreeBSD .. :) cheers Rami **************************** Rami Abu Jebara Network/System Administrator Palnet Communications Ltd e-mail : rjebara@palnet.com Tel: ++ 972 2 583 5666 Fax: ++ 972 2 583 6354 w w w . p a l n e t . c o m To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 03:44:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA28236 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:44:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from main.piter.net (main.piter.net [195.201.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA28223 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:44:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cyril@main.piter.net) Received: (from cyril@localhost) by main.piter.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/sply) id OAA13514; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:44:01 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from cyril) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:44:01 +0300 (MSK) From: "Cyril A. Vechera" Message-Id: <199812161144.OAA13514@main.piter.net> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, mavit@vecom.com Subject: Re: CGI problems Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 16 14:10:40 1998 > From: "Marcos Viterbo" > To: > Subject: CGI problems > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:49:42 -0200 > > Greetings. > > I am facing some problems with CGIs (freebsd_2.2.6 + apache_1.3.0). When the > system reaches about 55 apache instances the CGIs won't execute anymore and > returns a 500 error. I recompiled the kernel and libc altring > FD_SETSIZE=1024, maxusers=256, open_max, max_proc (child_max) in the kernel > and login.conf, maxconn to 256, nmbclusters=8192, recompiled apache with a > higher maxclients. The system has 128 MB RAM (it never goes beyond 50MB). > It happens only with external CGIs (PHP3 supports as many instances as the > apache is configured to). see limits try set limits and then exec apache for example #!/bin/sh # apache.sh from rc.d ulimit -t unlimited ulimit -f unlimited ulimit -S -d 94208 ulimit -S -s 32768 ulimit -c unlimited ulimit -S -m 94208 ulimit -S -l 32768 ulimit -S -u 256 ulimit -S -n 256 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -f /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf # end Sincerely your, Cyril A. Vechera email:cyril@piter.net --------- http://sply.piter.net > > Thank you for any help. > > Marcos Viterbo > mavit@vecom.com > Vecom Net > 55 11 884 0605 > Sao Paulo - Brazil > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 04:36:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06283 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:36:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06278 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:36:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rewt@i-Plus.net) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (rewt@Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA29111 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:36:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:36:22 -0500 (EST) From: Troy Settle To: "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Aliased IPs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all, As our web hosting business grows, I'm finding myself aliasing more and more IP addresses to accomodate. FreeBSD and apache are holding up like champs, but my local routing tables are getting a little big. Example: 208.24.86.128/25 208.24.67.4 UGc 0 0 fxp0 208.24.86.130 208.24.67.4 UGH 0 0 fxp0 208.24.86.131 208.24.67.4 UGH 0 0 fxp0 ... ... 208.24.86.253 208.24.67.4 UGH 0 0 fxp0 208.24.86.254 208.24.67.4 UGH 0 0 fxp0 I'm about to dedicate a full /24 to hosting, and would like to get it configured in such a way that I only see a summary route to cover the whole subnet, and not each individual /32. If it helps, I'm running gated (needed for OSPF until I can get our NAS onto a seperate ethernet segment). Thanks for any pointers on this, -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 07:52:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00899 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:52:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from liquid.tpb.net (drum-n-bass.party-animals.com [194.134.94.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00894 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:52:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niels@bakker.net) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by liquid.tpb.net (8.9.1a/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id QAA30170; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:52:04 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:52:03 +0100 (CET) From: N To: Troy Settle cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <981216164530.29668A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > As our web hosting business grows, I'm finding myself aliasing more and > more IP addresses to accomodate. FreeBSD and apache are holding up like > champs, but my local routing tables are getting a little big. Why do you need one IP address per website? You can use Apache's ability to distinguish between different virtual hosts based on the server name passed by almost all browsers currently in use. > I'm about to dedicate a full /24 to hosting, and would like to get it > configured in such a way that I only see a summary route to cover the > whole subnet, and not each individual /32. > > If it helps, I'm running gated (needed for OSPF until I can get our NAS > onto a seperate ethernet segment). If you need to configure gated to only announce a summary, ask on gated-people@merit.edu. -- Niels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 07:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01426 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:57:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from liquid.tpb.net (drum-n-bass.party-animals.com [194.134.94.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01409 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:57:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niels@bakker.net) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by liquid.tpb.net (8.9.1a/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id QAA30247; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:57:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:57:02 +0100 (CET) From: N To: Dan Swartzendruber cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981215231329.00966ae0@mail.kersur.net> Message-ID: <981216165425.29668B-100000@liquid.tpb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [..] > about 20 drives. Will FreeBSD handle this? Does anyone here have any > experience that this level of disk-farm? I have a box with 20 disks, split over four controllers (yes, you guessed it: a news server). Running 3.0-CURRENT from somewhere last month. Very happy with FreeBSD, very unhappy with INN. I think you'd be better off with 4 GB disks - less latency when you have to do a *lot* of seeks (like you have to for a news swerver), but that's more a question for news.software.nntp. -- Niels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 08:00:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02178 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:00:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02171 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:00:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from druber@mail.kersur.net) Received: from localhost (druber@localhost) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA17009; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:00:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:00:39 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Swartzendruber To: N cc: Dan Swartzendruber , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: <981216165425.29668B-100000@liquid.tpb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, N wrote: > [..] > > about 20 drives. Will FreeBSD handle this? Does anyone here have any > > experience that this level of disk-farm? > > I have a box with 20 disks, split over four controllers (yes, you guessed > it: a news server). Running 3.0-CURRENT from somewhere last month. Very > happy with FreeBSD, very unhappy with INN. Unhappy how? Why? > I think you'd be better off with 4 GB disks - less latency when you have > to do a *lot* of seeks (like you have to for a news swerver), but that's > more a question for news.software.nntp. That is my first choice, but that requires twice the hardware. I'll have to run that by management... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 08:20:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04526 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:20:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from liquid.tpb.net (drum-n-bass.party-animals.com [194.134.94.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04518 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:20:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niels@bakker.net) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by liquid.tpb.net (8.9.1a/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id RAA30441; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:20:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:20:05 +0100 (CET) From: N To: Dan Swartzendruber cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <981216170313.30310A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I have a box with 20 disks, split over four controllers (yes, you guessed >> it: a news server). Running 3.0-CURRENT from somewhere last month. Very >> happy with FreeBSD, very unhappy with INN. > Unhappy how? Why? CNFS isn't too fast. See news.software.nntp and the inn-workers@isc.org archives, among others. >> I think you'd be better off with 4 GB disks - less latency when you have >> to do a *lot* of seeks (like you have to for a news swerver), but that's >> more a question for news.software.nntp. > That is my first choice, but that requires twice the hardware. I'll have > to run that by management... On the other hand, the hardware is cheaper. You can run Diablo on 9GB disks, but a reader machine is a different beast altogether, especially if you use traditional spool. And didn't mgt. give you a bag of money to throw at the problem anyway? :-) -- Niels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 08:23:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05169 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:23:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05145 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from druber@mail.kersur.net) Received: from localhost (druber@localhost) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18285; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:23:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:23:11 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Swartzendruber To: N cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: <981216170313.30310A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, N wrote: > >> I have a box with 20 disks, split over four controllers (yes, you guessed > >> it: a news server). Running 3.0-CURRENT from somewhere last month. Very > >> happy with FreeBSD, very unhappy with INN. > > Unhappy how? Why? > > CNFS isn't too fast. See news.software.nntp and the inn-workers@isc.org > archives, among others. Oh, you too? I gave CNFS a shot for a couple of months. Beaucoup complaints from users about horrible speed. Auto-expiration is cool, but not at this price. Two days ago, I switched back to traditional, although I'm thinking of trying timehash. Anyone have any opinions on that? > >> I think you'd be better off with 4 GB disks - less latency when you have > >> to do a *lot* of seeks (like you have to for a news swerver), but that's > >> more a question for news.software.nntp. > > That is my first choice, but that requires twice the hardware. I'll have > > to run that by management... > > On the other hand, the hardware is cheaper. You can run Diablo on 9GB > disks, but a reader machine is a different beast altogether, especially > if you use traditional spool. > > And didn't mgt. give you a bag of money to throw at the problem anyway? :-) Well, yeah, but there are limits :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 08:25:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05582 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:25:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from yucca.diva.nl (yucca.diva.nl [195.86.38.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05577 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:25:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michiel@carmel.diva.nl) Received: from carmel.diva.nl (carmel.diva.nl [195.86.39.25]) by yucca.diva.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26690; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:25:13 +0100 Received: from localhost (michiel@localhost) by carmel.diva.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29988; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:24:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michiel@carmel.diva.nl) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:24:22 +0100 (CET) From: Michiel Boland To: Troy Settle cc: "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. > Hey all, > > As our web hosting business grows, I'm finding myself aliasing more and > more IP addresses to accomodate. FreeBSD and apache are holding up like > champs, but my local routing tables are getting a little big. I can't answer your specific problem but I feel I must react to what you are doing here. :) Personally, I don't use apache, but it should not be a problem in the latest apache versions to add virtual hosts that share an IP address with other servers. This will save you from the problems you are experiencing now + it will also save a lot of valuable IP address space. Cheers Michiel -- Michiel Boland Digital Valley Internet Professionals Duivendaal 4, Wageningen, The Netherlands Phone: +31 317 465555, Fax: +31 317 460276 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 09:49:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17016 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:49:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17011 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:49:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA36239; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:48:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: N cc: Dan Swartzendruber , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:20:05 +0100." <981216170313.30310A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:48:53 -0500 Message-ID: <36235.913830533@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org N wrote in message ID <981216170313.30310A-100000@liquid.tpb.net>: > CNFS isn't too fast. See news.software.nntp and the inn-workers@isc.org > archives, among others. I think that thats not 100% accurate ... the problem as I understand it is that accessing overview data in a CNFS system is really really bad. The rest of it is fine. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 10:00:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18123 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (deepwell.com [209.63.174.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA18116 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@deepwell.com) Received: (qmail 19524 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1998 18:27:50 -0000 Received: from terry.dcomm.net (HELO terry) (209.63.174.33) by deepwell.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 18:27:50 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.19981216100101.00c66af0@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: freebsd@mail.deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:01:20 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Deepwell Internet Subject: Re: Aliased IPs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:52 PM 12/16/98 +0100, you wrote: >> As our web hosting business grows, I'm finding myself aliasing more and >> more IP addresses to accomodate. FreeBSD and apache are holding up like >> champs, but my local routing tables are getting a little big. > >Why do you need one IP address per website? You can use Apache's ability >to distinguish between different virtual hosts based on the server name >passed by almost all browsers currently in use. ALMOST being the defining factor. We find that webhosting covers a whole range of people. While we get a whole range of webhost accounts the majority are small businesses operated by people with very little or no knowledge of computers or the internet. I do everything I can to make their sites work 100% of the time for ALL customers. This means if someone hits the site with some goofy browser that doesn't pass the sitename to the server, it should still function. We have a ton of open IP's. Because of this I just assign a separate IP to each site. We'll be starting on our third class-C soon and I don't see a problem continuing this way. Why do you need to run OSPF? Is your webserver on the same ethernet segment as your dialup traffic? As far as the webserver goes, just make a static route for the whole /24 and let it go. Are there people running full production webserver off of one IP address? Have you had any problems? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 10:26:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21416 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:26:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hecate.webcom.com (hecate.webcom.com [209.1.28.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21411 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:26:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: from eresh.webcom.com (eresh.webcom.com [209.1.28.49]) by hecate.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA06437; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:26:36 -0800 Received: from [209.122.117.150] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 15669082; Wed Dec 16 10:24 PST 1998 Message-Id: <3677FB7E.7C08@echidna.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:27:10 -0500 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Michiel Boland Cc: Troy Settle , "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: Aliased IPs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michiel Boland wrote: > > Hi. > > > Hey all, > > > > As our web hosting business grows, I'm finding myself aliasing more and > > more IP addresses to accomodate. FreeBSD and apache are holding up like > > champs, but my local routing tables are getting a little big. > > I can't answer your specific problem but I feel I must react to what you > are doing here. :) > > Personally, I don't use apache, but it should not be a problem in the > latest apache versions to add virtual hosts that share an IP address with > other servers. This will save you from the problems you are experiencing > now + it will also save a lot of valuable IP address space. I use one host that has well over 10,000 domains served from one machine with all mapped to a single IP. It's a great idea in principle, but when you use it on any scale, you can run into problems. Here are some of the downsides: Some search engines won't list sites from this host - they treat the multitudinous submissions with multiple hostnames resolving to one IP as SPAMming. Others have taken similar action in the past, and had to be persuaded to reverse their restriction. Access control software is often set to ban on IP address. It only takes one bad apple to get you banned, and often banning is done on commonplace material (like corporations restricting access to sports sites). For sensitive categories (like access for children), fairly innocent material can lead to banning. In one case Switzerland mandated the banning of the the entire server mentioned above from its ISP's, because of one site with racist content. Reverse lookups don't resolve to the correct hostname. Some users, especially resellers, are concerned that this happens, as it "blows their cover". And there's the occasional browser that doesn't pass the host header required for this form of virtual hosting. -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 10:37:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22807 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:37:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soho.london.virgin.net (soho.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22789 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:37:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by soho.london.virgin.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06317; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:33:15 GMT (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:33:14 +0000 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: Deepwell Internet cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981216100101.00c66af0@mail1.dcomm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Deepwell Internet wrote: > Are there people running full production webserver off of one IP address? > Have you had any problems? There are, yes. One very large ISP in the UK does this and their customers hate them. Host-based vhosts are considered to be 'cheap' and off less value than IP based ones, by a lot of customers. I hate the idea of wasting IP space as much as the next guy, but I wouldn't loose customers over it. Yours. Scot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 10:49:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24236 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:49:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (deepwell.com [209.63.174.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24229 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:49:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@deepwell.com) Received: (qmail 22069 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1998 19:16:35 -0000 Received: from terry.dcomm.net (HELO terry) (209.63.174.33) by deepwell.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 19:16:35 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.19981216104635.00b4b780@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: freebsd@mail.deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:50:04 -0800 To: Dan Mahoney , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Deepwell Internet Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: <19981216104707.C18920@wolf.com> References: <4.1.19981216100101.00c66af0@mail1.dcomm.net> <4.1.19981216100101.00c66af0@mail1.dcomm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes. The ability to track bandwidth to an IP is very nice. Right now, aside from running the normal webstats I also have IPFW in place with a separate count rule for each IP. I parse these numbers every 30 minutes and can get numbers as to how much traffic each IP does. This works great. We can use these numbers to see if someone is using so much traffic that we need to move them to a webserver with a smaller customer load. At 10:47 AM 12/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >> Are there people running full production webserver off of one IP address? >> Have you had any problems? > >I'm running a couple dozen web domains off a single domain, >but plan to move to IP-based virtual domains pretty soon. >I have absolutely no problems using name-based virtuals; >it works wonderfully and I've never received even a single >complaint from people with HTTP 0.9 browsers. > >The reason I'm moving to IP-based virtuals is that I want to >be able to track/limit bandwidth usage per domain. My >preferred solution for this is dummynet, and doing so >with dummynet required distinct IP addresses. > >Dan Mahoney >dan@wolf.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 12:15:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04341 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:15:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04336 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:15:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from cityscope.net (194.cityscope.net [209.16.49.194]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA02274 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:32:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36781478.1DCBA5FB@cityscope.net> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:13:44 -0600 From: Ingrid Kast Fuller Reply-To: ingrid@cityscope.net Organization: CityScope Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Backup server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wondering what would be the best method to backup a server on the same network that doesn't have it's own tape drive? I'd like to use some cron job to either move a particular directory (a couple small data directories) to another server and then just let it's tape drive do it's backup. Or possibly have the tape backup (dump script) pull the data across and append to the end. -- *********************************************************** Ingrid Kast Fuller (ingrid@cityscope.net) CityScope Computer Services Since 1984 CityScope Net (http://www.cityscope.net) 1(713)477-6161 109 West Southmore, Pasadena, TX 77502-1001 *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 12:41:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07305 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:41:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from liquid.tpb.net (drum-n-bass.party-animals.com [194.134.94.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07292; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:41:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niels@bakker.net) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by liquid.tpb.net (8.9.1a/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id VAA32483; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:41:14 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:41:14 +0100 (CET) From: N To: Gary Palmer cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: <36235.913830533@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: <981216213424.32382A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> CNFS isn't too fast. See news.software.nntp and the inn-workers@isc.org >> archives, among others. > I think that thats not 100% accurate ... the problem as I understand it is > that accessing overview data in a CNFS system is really really bad. The rest > of it is fine. However - the unified overview database is an integral part of CNFS. If one part of CNFS is slow, you can say that CNFS is slow. Only one thing counts - what the users perceive. If you choose INN 2.x with storageapi (and if you're a largish ISP) they'll see slowness beyond belief. With, say, 250 unique users daily it's bearable, above that you'll have to buy enough memory to cache ~ 2 GB of overview data for that to happen. Although it proves again that some newsreaders (slrn) are better than all others. :) (slrn doesn't suck in the complete overview data, only the new articles.) Several people are working on different solutions for the problem; see inn-workers@isc.org archives for more details and discussion, and (of course) news.software.nntp. Two of the paths currently being explored by non-ISC people are the reintroduction of traditional overview data and a change in the database format of the history.{dir,pag} files to also include the token (and still turn extendeddbz off, to keep things manageable). Anyway, to get back to the thread, do you think you need any sort of redundancy for the spool? If not, I suggest you use ccd (or if you're brave, vinom ) to stripe some disks together and mount them in various places (alt, alt.binaries, and the rest sound like good choices). -- Niels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 12:42:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07462 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:42:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07382 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:42:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA17973; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:41:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19981216144136.A17493@futuresouth.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:41:36 -0600 From: Tim Tsai To: Dan Swartzendruber , N Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? References: <981216170313.30310A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Dan Swartzendruber on Wed, Dec 16, 1998 at 11:23:11AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 16, 1998 at 11:23:11AM -0500, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > Oh, you too? I gave CNFS a shot for a couple of months. Beaucoup > complaints from users about horrible speed. Auto-expiration is cool, but > not at this price. Two days ago, I switched back to traditional, although > I'm thinking of trying timehash. Anyone have any opinions on that? Try Diablo at http://www.backplane.com. Having messed around with INN for a number of years at various configurations I am never going back. It was constantly in need of attention. With Diablo we don't ever touch or look at the news server anymore. Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 12:47:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08225 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from liquid.tpb.net (drum-n-bass.party-animals.com [194.134.94.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08220 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:47:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niels@bakker.net) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by liquid.tpb.net (8.9.1a/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id VAA32546; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:47:07 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:47:07 +0100 (CET) From: N To: Deepwell Internet cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981216100101.00c66af0@mail1.dcomm.net> Message-ID: <981216214420.32382B-100000@liquid.tpb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Deepwell Internet: > Are there people running full production webserver off of one IP address? > Have you had any problems? I definitely *won't* have any problems when I deplete my assigned IP space and go to RIPE (living in Europe) to request more. You *will* have trouble getting new space if you've assigned all of your space to web hosts to cater for a very, very tiny minority of people who can be easily taken care of just as easily and almost as transparent in other ways. Yes. One IP address (to bind them all), no complaints. It has the added advantage that you can keep a 'hot spare' box with identical configuration in storage, and if a web server craps out, just bring up an alias interface with that IP address and continue with virtually no downtime. -- Niels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 12:53:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09224 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:53:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from electric.tbe.net ([216.25.158.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA09210 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:53:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: (qmail 5269 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1998 20:53:48 -0000 Received: from electric.tbe.net (gary@216.25.158.8) by electric.tbe.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 20:53:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:53:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Ingrid Kast Fuller cc: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Backup server In-Reply-To: <36781478.1DCBA5FB@cityscope.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are looking into the smae thing... I believe we will be using the 'dump' command for this. It is my understanding that the commands are simple and allow full backups of entire filesystems. I believe it uses the r* commands, so mamke sure they are enabled, (mostly rcp). Some people are using ssh in place of rsh, that way it is much more secure. Do a man of dump, and it is pretty explanatory. ______________________________________________________________ -Gary Margiotta Voice: (973) 835-9696 TBE Internet Services Fax: (973) 835-2133 http://www.tbe.net E-Mail: gary@tbe.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 12:58:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10183 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:58:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10172 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:58:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from druber@mail.kersur.net) Received: from localhost (druber@localhost) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA05405; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:58:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:58:07 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Swartzendruber To: Ingrid Kast Fuller cc: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Backup server In-Reply-To: <36781478.1DCBA5FB@cityscope.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Ingrid Kast Fuller wrote: > Wondering what would be the best method to backup a server on the same > network that doesn't have it's own tape drive? I'd like to use some cron > job to either move a particular directory (a couple small data > directories) to another server and then just let it's tape drive do it's > backup. Or possibly have the tape backup (dump script) pull the data > across and append to the end. Run amanda. It's a little more work to set up, but it's worth it. Look at www.amanda.org. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 13:12:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12510 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (p23-nas1.wlg.ihug.co.nz [216.100.145.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12495 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:12:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12277; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:10:39 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:10:39 +1300 (NZDT) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Marcos Viterbo cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CGI problems In-Reply-To: <009701be28e1$cbcb3f00$0600000a@work.eca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Marcos Viterbo wrote: > Greetings. > > I am facing some problems with CGIs (freebsd_2.2.6 + apache_1.3.0). When the > system reaches about 55 apache instances the CGIs won't execute anymore and > returns a 500 error. I recompiled the kernel and libc altring > FD_SETSIZE=1024, maxusers=256, open_max, max_proc (child_max) in the kernel > and login.conf, maxconn to 256, nmbclusters=8192, recompiled apache with a > higher maxclients. The system has 128 MB RAM (it never goes beyond 50MB). > It happens only with external CGIs (PHP3 supports as many instances as the > apache is configured to). Sounds familiar. I had problems first with number of processes and then with number of file handles. It's not your system wide resources that are limited, but your per-process limits. If you set up a CGI like this you'll see it: #!/bin/sh echo Content-type: text/html echo limits My solution was to put some ulimit statements near the head of apachectl. Andrew McNaughton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 13:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14013 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:25:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14006 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:25:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA15388; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:23:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:23:50 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199812162123.NAA15388@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: gary@tbe.net, ingrid@cityscope.net Subject: Re: Backup server Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:53:47 -0500 (EST) >From: "Gary D. Margiotta" >We are looking into the smae thing... I believe we will be using the >'dump' command for this. It is my understanding that the commands are >simple and allow full backups of entire filesystems. Yes, that is what dump does. >I believe it uses >the r* commands, so mamke sure they are enabled, (mostly rcp). Some >people are using ssh in place of rsh, that way it is much more secure. Yes, but I encourage you to see below. >Do a man of dump, and it is pretty explanatory. (Except that historically -- not sure about the FreeBSD implementation(s) -- the relationships among the various metrics that one might think would affect how much data can actually fit on the medium of choice -- size & density -- has seemed to have a rather tenuous attachment to any sort of objective reality. In other words, the numbers need to be tweaked to meet one's expectations.) We have a rather different problem, as far as scope and all: I'm doing backups for the engineering net (servers & most of the UNIX workstations) here at Whistle. Given that, I'm using "amanda" (it's in the ports, but I built it from source, since I have a somewhat heterogeneous set of machines, and I wanted to be sure I was using the same sources for all of them). It may be configured (on a per-filesystem basis) to use "dump" or GNU tar as the program that does the actual data copying. This part of amanda runs on the host that's being backed up (generally; if you get involved in the SAMBA support, tat's a rather different matter), and sends the backup image to the amanda server (which spools the image to a "holding disk" for parallelism and to implement a speed-matching buffer); once the image has been written to the holding disk, that image is scheduled for copying to tape. Amanda uses UDP to accomplish the communication, and need not use the r* approach. I've been pretty happy with it so far. Additional information may be found at http://www.amanda.org/. david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 13:30:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14743 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:30:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14731; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:30:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from druber@mail.kersur.net) Received: from localhost (druber@localhost) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA07358; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:30:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:30:00 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Swartzendruber To: N cc: Gary Palmer , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: <981216213424.32382A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, N wrote: > Anyway, to get back to the thread, do you think you need any sort of > redundancy for the spool? If not, I suggest you use ccd (or if you're > brave, vinom ) to stripe some disks together and mount them in various > places (alt, alt.binaries, and the rest sound like good choices). Okay, as the person who started this: I still have the concern that if I throw 20+ drives on the system, will FreeBSD be able to cope with a large number of drives like this? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 14:08:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19685 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:08:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com ([206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19498 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:07:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA115294195; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:03:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:03:15 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Dan Swartzendruber Cc: Ingrid Kast Fuller , FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Backup server In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > Run amanda. It's a little more work to set up, but it's worth it. Look > at www.amanda.org. Or check out ``/usr/ports/misc/amanda'' - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 14:08:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19744 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:08:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19722; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:08:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA07436; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:38:03 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA02341; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:38:01 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981217083800.K486@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:38:01 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Dan Swartzendruber , N Cc: Gary Palmer , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? References: <981216213424.32382A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Dan Swartzendruber on Wed, Dec 16, 1998 at 04:30:00PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 16 December 1998 at 16:30:00 -0500, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, N wrote: > >> Anyway, to get back to the thread, do you think you need any sort of >> redundancy for the spool? If not, I suggest you use ccd (or if you're >> brave, vinom ) to stripe some disks together and mount them in various >> places (alt, alt.binaries, and the rest sound like good choices). > > Okay, as the person who started this: I still have the concern that if I > throw 20+ drives on the system, will FreeBSD be able to cope with a large > number of drives like this? FreeBSD won't have a problem. You'd need to look more carefully at the hardware to see whether you could keep them busy. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 14:54:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25328 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:54:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from liquid.tpb.net (drum-n-bass.party-animals.com [194.134.94.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25321 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:54:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niels@bakker.net) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by liquid.tpb.net (8.9.1a/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id XAA01217; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:54:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:54:09 +0100 (CET) From: N To: Dan Swartzendruber cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <981216231603.899A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Okay, as the person who started this: I still have the concern that if I > throw 20+ drives on the system, will FreeBSD be able to cope with a large > number of drives like this? Like I said, I have 20 disks spread over 4 controllers. Running 3.0-CURRENT, so with CAM. The only caveat I encountered was that boot.flp doesn't have enough inodes free to create all /dev entries on the ram disk, so I had to do the initial install with two of the three external SCSI casings disconnected from their respective controllers. (Jordan is aware of the problem, but I agree with him that it's not a situation many people will find themselves in. It'll probably be fixed at the same time when the GENERIC kernel exceeds one floppy...) 'dmesg' output is longish, with all the softupdates filesystem messages it's almost large enough to wrap the ring buffer. -- Niels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 15:09:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27323 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:09:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27318 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:09:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from druber@mail.kersur.net) Received: from localhost (druber@localhost) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA12870; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:09:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:09:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Swartzendruber To: N cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: <981216231603.899A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, N wrote: > > Okay, as the person who started this: I still have the concern that if I > > throw 20+ drives on the system, will FreeBSD be able to cope with a large > > number of drives like this? > > Like I said, I have 20 disks spread over 4 controllers. Running > 3.0-CURRENT, so with CAM. The only caveat I encountered was that boot.flp > doesn't have enough inodes free to create all /dev entries on the ram > disk, so I had to do the initial install with two of the three external > SCSI casings disconnected from their respective controllers. Do you really need 4 controllers? We have two currently (with 10 disks present). > (Jordan is aware of the problem, but I agree with him that it's not a > situation many people will find themselves in. It'll probably be fixed > at the same time when the GENERIC kernel exceeds one floppy...) Does this cause the excess disks to not be visible? I think I discovered this myself, albeit with fewer drives than 20... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 15:15:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28223 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:15:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from liquid.tpb.net (drum-n-bass.party-animals.com [194.134.94.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28217 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:15:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niels@bakker.net) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by liquid.tpb.net (8.9.1a/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id AAA01437; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:15:31 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:15:31 +0100 (CET) From: N To: Dan Swartzendruber cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <981217001101.899B-100000@liquid.tpb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Like I said, I have 20 disks spread over 4 controllers. Running >> 3.0-CURRENT, so with CAM. The only caveat I encountered was that boot.flp >> doesn't have enough inodes free to create all /dev entries on the ram >> disk, so I had to do the initial install with two of the three external >> SCSI casings disconnected from their respective controllers. > Do you really need 4 controllers? We have two currently (with 10 > disks present). And I have 20, with four controllers. Scales nicely. The most important reason for me for more controllers is SCSI cable length restrictions. >> (Jordan is aware of the problem, but I agree with him that it's not a >> situation many people will find themselves in. It'll probably be fixed >> at the same time when the GENERIC kernel exceeds one floppy...) > Does this cause the excess disks to not be visible? I think I discovered > this myself, albeit with fewer drives than 20... You don't really need them when you install FreeBSD. Of course you will have to run MAKEDEV by hand later on to be able to actually access the drives. -- Niels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 16:06:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05982 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:06:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wopr.inetu.net (wopr.inetu.net [207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05971 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:06:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dev@wopr.inetu.net) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA14551; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:06:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: Dev To: Marcos Viterbo cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CGI problems In-Reply-To: <009701be28e1$cbcb3f00$0600000a@work.eca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a start script for apache that goes a little something like this: #!/usr/local/bin/bash ulimit -u 500 ulimit -n 500 /usr/local/sbin/apache -d /apache -f conf/apache.conf You get the idea. There is a soft resource limit, and hard resource limit. I'd guess your up against a soft, or user definable, limit. Best regards, Dev Dev Chanchani - INetU, Inc.(tm) - http://www.INetU.net Electronic commerce - Web development - Web hosting dev@INetU.net - Phone: (610) 266-7441 On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Marcos Viterbo wrote: > Greetings. > > I am facing some problems with CGIs (freebsd_2.2.6 + apache_1.3.0). When the > system reaches about 55 apache instances the CGIs won't execute anymore and > returns a 500 error. I recompiled the kernel and libc altring > FD_SETSIZE=1024, maxusers=256, open_max, max_proc (child_max) in the kernel > and login.conf, maxconn to 256, nmbclusters=8192, recompiled apache with a > higher maxclients. The system has 128 MB RAM (it never goes beyond 50MB). > It happens only with external CGIs (PHP3 supports as many instances as the > apache is configured to). > > Thank you for any help. > > Marcos Viterbo > mavit@vecom.com > Vecom Net > 55 11 884 0605 > Sao Paulo - Brazil > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 16:18:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07643 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:18:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07638 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:18:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id TAA19608 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA23505 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:20:17 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199812170020.TAA23505@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: <981217001101.899B-100000@liquid.tpb.net> from N at "Dec 17, 98 00:15:31 am" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:20:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org N recently said: > >> Like I said, I have 20 disks spread over 4 controllers. Running > >> 3.0-CURRENT, so with CAM. The only caveat I encountered was > >> that boot.flp doesn't have enough inodes free to create > >> all /dev entries on the ram disk, so I had to do the > >> initial install with two of the three external SCSI casings > >> disconnected from their respective controllers. > > Do you really need 4 controllers? We have two currently (with 10 > > disks present). > And I have 20, with four controllers. Scales nicely. The most > important reason for me for more controllers is SCSI cable length > restrictions. If you go with differential SCSI you are limited to 25 Meters (a bit over 75 feet). Using wide differntial you'd have no problem with 60 drives on the four controllers. Unless you used one of the multi-channel controlers. On four 3-channel boards you could get up to 180 drives. (I can just imagine some DOS/Win person asking how you get more than 26 drives when the letters stop at Z!). :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 17:51:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16558 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:51:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16553 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:51:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA09117; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:23:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:23:54 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: N cc: Deepwell Internet , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: <981216214420.32382B-100000@liquid.tpb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, N wrote: > I definitely *won't* have any problems when I deplete my assigned IP space > and go to RIPE (living in Europe) to request more. You *will* have > trouble getting new space if you've assigned all of your space to web > hosts to cater for a very, very tiny minority of people who can be easily > taken care of just as easily and almost as transparent in other ways. Not true. ARIN, on this side of the pond, recognizes web sites as valid uses of IP space. Too many services common to web sites (ftp, RealAudio/Video, LivePicture ...) require unique IPs for virtual hosts. Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, Inc. dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 18:31:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20638 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:31:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.ligos.com (red.ligos.com [207.238.131.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA20633 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:31:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rwaldura@LIGOS.COM) Received: (qmail 1605 invoked from network); 17 Dec 1998 02:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.ligos.com) (192.168.1.2) by 192.168.1.6 with SMTP; 17 Dec 1998 02:31:46 -0000 Received: by server.ligos.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:31:42 -0800 Message-ID: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B28E75B@server.ligos.com> From: Renaud Waldura To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: (Way Off Topic) Assigning an IP address to an Asante' Switch Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:31:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys, How do I assign an IP address to an Asante' ReadySwitch 5104? (in order to telnet to it and use SNMP). Connected through the console port, I can list different parameters and their values with "miblist" and "getnext", but whenever I try to set a value, I get "Object read-only". >miblist ipa ipAdEntAddr ipAdEntIfIndex ipAdEntNetMask ipAdEntBcastAddr ipAdEntReasmMaxSize >set ipAdEntAddr 192.168.1.31 Object read-only >getnext ipAdEntAddr Name : ipAdEntAddr.0.0.0.0 Value: 0.0.0.0 >set ipAdEntAddr.0.0.0.0 192.168.1.31 Object read-only Obviously I'm missing something here. Is there some kind of supervisor mode I need to be in? You can probably tell I'm new to this... I inherited this switch a long time ago, and the documentation is long gone. I did extensively search the Asante' Web site, but couldn't find anything even remotely related. Even your flames will be appreciated, ;) -- -- Renaud Waldura - IS Manager, Ligos Technology -- -- rwaldura@ligos.com ---- http://www.ligos.com/ -- -- Phone: (415) 437-6137 --- Fax: (415) 437-6139 -- -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 22:15:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10315 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jcarter.cais.com (jcarter.cais.com [205.252.8.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10309 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:15:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patton@sysnet.net) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (saturn.falcon.com [192.168.1.10]) by jcarter.cais.com (8.9.1a/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA04612; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:54:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981215231329.00966ae0@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:05:29 -0500 To: Dan Swartzendruber From: Matthew Patton Subject: Re: RAID solutions? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org for a news spool you want SPEED, SPEED, and SPEED!! You do *NOT* want RAID5 (it's damn slow on writes) and most definately NOT in software. Get a slew of disks and use raid 10 (stripe + mirror) for utmost speed. Given modern disks, 4 on a channel will tend to saturate the bus. Theoretical performance numbers will not be reached due to firmware bugs in drives (common) or inefficient drivers. Here are my suggestions, all are predominantly HW based. In all cases, 1 hot spare per channel. Plenty of ambient cooling and power regulation is needed. In addition to the simple 'art' of RAID selection there is also 'slice/interleave' size to factor in. With drives doing full track read aheads with their own fancy algorithms and varying lamounts of onboard cache, precise numbers are very difficult to come up with. It depends on what kinds of IO you do. On a database, I would probably use 16 or 32kb. A media server (large files) 64kb or more. On boxes with lots of small sizes, accessed randomly and rapidly, 8 or 16kb. But you dont' want to fill up the controller's command queue with too many commands. 1 FAST!! SCSI controller in host. 2 or 3 channel RAID card with 32MB RAM. 4 active disks per channel, 1 hot spare per channel. with 2 channel card: preferred: interlace disks (stripe same letter [A1-A4], mirror across letters [A->B]) you can afford to loose a whole channel and it will stay up. theoretical maximum READ thruput (forced balancing) slightly more involved ASIC computational overhead A1 A2 A3 A4 B2 B1 B4 B3 next best: strip the disks (raid 0) per channel Mirror across the SCSI channels higher probability for IO contention on reads (high load on SCSI queue) RAID controller may favor one bus instead of using both conceptually simpler design, less computational overhead in RAID ASIC A1 B1 A2 B2 A3 B3 A4 B4 With the 3 channel card you can do RAID 50 two ways: preferred: stripe disks (raid 0) per channel raid 5 across the 3 channels (A->B->C) near maximum READ thruput A1 B1 C1 A2 B2 C2 A3 B3 C3 A4 B4 C4 next best: raid 5 the drives per channel stripe (raid 0) across channels heavy IO contention per write on channel A1 A2 A3 B1 B2 B3 C1 C2 C3 D1 D2 D3 Or you can interlace the stripe and mirror drives across the busses for RAID 10. A1 A2 A3 B2 B3 B1 A4 A5 A6 B5 B6 B4 2 FAST!! scsi controllers in host 2 independant RAID units (2 or maybe three channel) with drives (see above for arrangement options) preferred: (you can afford to loose a whole scsi card in the host) raid 1 across host scsi cards next best: stripe (raid 0) across host scsi cards probably not smart at all -------- OpenBSD - Because security matters... (http://www.openbsd.org/) "There is one terrifying word in the world of nuclear physics, Oops." - Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theator 3000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 16 23:56:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20515 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:56:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arka.mtl.pl (arka.mtl.pl [195.116.4.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20510 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:56:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@arka.mtl.pl) Received: from localhost (tom@localhost) by arka.mtl.pl (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA27185; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:55:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:55:08 +0100 (CET) From: Tomasz Zin To: Dan Swartzendruber cc: Ingrid Kast Fuller , FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Backup server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Ingrid Kast Fuller wrote: > > > Wondering what would be the best method to backup a server on the same > > network that doesn't have it's own tape drive? I'd like to use some cron > > job to either move a particular directory (a couple small data > > directories) to another server and then just let it's tape drive do it's > > backup. Or possibly have the tape backup (dump script) pull the data > > across and append to the end. > You can backup data from one server on another via ssh. Tomek To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 00:43:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24965 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:43:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from yucca.diva.nl (yucca.diva.nl [195.86.38.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24960 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:43:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michiel@carmel.diva.nl) Received: from carmel.diva.nl (carmel.diva.nl [195.86.39.25]) by yucca.diva.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01001; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:43:05 +0100 Received: from localhost (michiel@localhost) by carmel.diva.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05060; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:42:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michiel@carmel.diva.nl) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:42:13 +0100 (CET) From: Michiel Boland To: Scot Elliott cc: Deepwell Internet , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Scot Elliott wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Deepwell Internet wrote: > > Are there people running full production webserver off of one IP address? > > Have you had any problems? > > There are, yes. One very large ISP in the UK does this and their > customers hate them. Host-based vhosts are considered to be 'cheap' and > off less value than IP based ones, by a lot of customers. Some user education would be in order then. Ie. tell them about the forthcoming Demise Of The Net because of IP numbers running out because everyone needs their own address, etc. Also, according to RIPE, and if memory serves me correctly, you cannot request IP address space just to host virtual web sites (well, you can request it but you will have to return it one day.) I'm really not going to fill in a ripe-141 and waste yet another /24 just so that all our customers can have their own ip address. Cheers Michiel -- Michiel Boland Digital Valley Internet Professionals Duivendaal 4, Wageningen, The Netherlands Phone: +31 317 465555, Fax: +31 317 460276 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 01:37:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00285 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:37:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from yucca.diva.nl (yucca.diva.nl [195.86.38.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00277 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:37:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michiel@carmel.diva.nl) Received: from carmel.diva.nl (carmel.diva.nl [195.86.39.25]) by yucca.diva.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01980; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:37:17 +0100 Received: from localhost (michiel@localhost) by carmel.diva.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05405; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:36:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michiel@carmel.diva.nl) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:36:24 +0100 (CET) From: Michiel Boland To: Dan Busarow cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Dan Busarow wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, N wrote: > > I definitely *won't* have any problems when I deplete my assigned IP space > > and go to RIPE (living in Europe) to request more. You *will* have > > trouble getting new space if you've assigned all of your space to web > > hosts to cater for a very, very tiny minority of people who can be easily > > taken care of just as easily and almost as transparent in other ways. > > Not true. ARIN, on this side of the pond, recognizes web sites as > valid uses of IP space. Too many services common to web sites > (ftp, RealAudio/Video, LivePicture ...) require unique IPs for > virtual hosts. This argument is not entirely correct. Just because someone needs a unique number to host realaudio/whatever does not mean that he/she also needs a unique number for his/her web site. I would be *very* surprised (not to mention appalled :) if the practice of handing out IP addresses *just* for virtual HTTP servers is actually condoned by ARIN. -- Michiel Boland Digital Valley Internet Professionals Duivendaal 4, Wageningen, The Netherlands Phone: +31 317 465555, Fax: +31 317 460276 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 03:04:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08440 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:04:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail5.realtime.net (mail5.realtime.net [205.238.128.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA08434 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:04:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gee2@realtime.net) Received: from pit ([205.238.164.35]) by mail5.realtime.net ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:04:54 -600 Message-ID: <3678E57E.12B2@realtime.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:05:34 -0600 From: George Wenzel Reply-To: gee2@realtime.net Organization: Real/Time Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Patton wrote: > > for a news spool you want SPEED, SPEED, and SPEED!! You do *NOT* want RAID5 > (it's damn slow on writes) and most definately NOT in software. Get a slew > of disks and use raid 10 (stripe + mirror) for utmost speed. Given modern > disks, 4 on a channel will tend to saturate the bus. Theoretical > performance numbers will not be reached due to firmware bugs in drives > (common) or inefficient drivers. > This is all very true... Unless the entire application is designed from top to bottom to take advantage of every cpu cycle and every disk rotation, theoretical perfprmance numbers mean nearly nothing. The last INN machine I ran went through a file by file analysis of performance so we could tune things to the best advantage. We went so far as to have mirrored load-spread filesystems for single files. In INN1.4 days, the active file was 85% of all IO, so our solution was to use the smallest drive we could find that had the largest on-drive cache we could find. We ended up with the active file being smaller than the memory cache on the drives, so we avoided rotational latency issues and though the file was still served off the scsi bus, we were able to squeek past one of the theoretical performance limits of the drives. As we saw Usenet growing, we were very concerned that INN wasn't growing with Usenet. INN was improving, but Usenet was growing faster. For a fraction of the cost of yahu (yet another hardware upgrade) we purchased better software. The result? I'm using Dnews, a commercial software package costing less than $500... and my hardware appears idle. I pull in about 2 megabits average on this machine, yet the load remains very low, and the filesystem has plenty of idle cycles. This machine has the appearance of doing a fraction of the work my old INN workhorse was doing. Dnews was more than a major performance gain. In the INN days, being a news administrator was a big part of my daily job. With Dnews I check on news when *I* have time. I never find myself doing the kind of work i did under INN. It took me 30 minutes to bring the Dnews machine on-line, and over the course of a year and a half I have spent a total of about 4 hours maintaining it. I hazard to guess I would have spent 400 to 1000 hours had I still been running INN, and there would have been numerous software upgrades and other events resulting in downtime. We did invest about 20 hours of programming time wiring Dnews into our user authentication system, which included custom software mods added by the Dnews programmers. The Dnews guys did my mods for free, turning them around in about 2 days! The <$500 price tag I paid for the software was way too low for what I got. Dnews is not the only software out there that is better than INN... it is just the one I tried. I have heard similar things about several other packages, but I'll let those software users speak for themselves. I have pointed other ISP's at Dnews, and so far I have heard nothing but good things from them. I run my Dnews on a dual pentium pro (180MHZ) system, using the Dmulti feature of Dnews to run 4 copies of the executable... 1 for incoming news, and three for readers. The SMP was not needed for this application after all, were I rebuilding the machine today I would stick to a single CPU. Dnews handles article storage across multiple filesystems using a small number of files per drive (article files are grouped together in larger clusters called "buckets" keeping the filecount low). It is just a guess, but I'd venture that a 100mhz pentium with a medium speed filesystem would be enough to make a full feed work through Dnews. Raid 10 on super-servers with lots and lots of performance tuning.... Seems like too much work and money to me. Oh and the Dnews guys do mail servers too... You guys being shut-down because spammers are hammering your sendmail... There ARE performance options for you out there... Find out about Dnews and Dmail from www.netwinsite.com. While we are talking about news, I should mention SkyCache. (www.skycache.com) Through Skycache, for a fraction of what I nomally pay for bandwidth, I get a full news feed pulled off of a dish sitting on my roof. The news I get off of the dish is fresh and always here before news from any of my NNTP peers and backbone feeds (CWIX and Sprint). For a small monthly payment these guys take a solid two megabits off of my backbone load... and provide the hardware. Skycach is meant to be a web cach pre-load service, but I won't get into that part here... find out more about skycache on your own by going to their web site. Bottom line, a few well spent dollars on the right products can make your life easier. INN was a GREAT improvement over Cnews (how many of you out there remember Cnews?)... and the guys at ISC deserve a lot of thanks for the work they have done. Dnews is a departure from the old ways of doing things, so if you are willing to accept some new ideas about news, Dnews is what you need. One suggestion though... Dnews has this concept of a "sucking" feed... If you want to be a productive member of the Usenet community, I skip the part about the sucking feed and set Dnews up with normal NNTP peer sessions... sucking feeds are for end users running their own news server at home (yes, Dnews is targeted for end users who want to run mini servers on their win95 machine at home, with a <$50 price tag for the home user). (and yes, an inexperienced ISP could be very successful running Dnews on a win95 machine) George (very happy Netwin and Skycache customer) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 03:22:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09812 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:22:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from claret.cisco.com (claret.cisco.com [161.44.2.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09807 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:22:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fty@cisco.com) Received: (fty@localhost) by claret.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) id GAA21862 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:21:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:21:02 -0500 (EST) From: Frank Terhaar-Yonkers Message-Id: <199812171121.GAA21862@claret.cisco.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: smtp "polling" thru a firewall X-Face: ,fjtWiMPydUaSQl%8[eTg`u:^BXt&T)Sny(6w\*U"5D9H[Z$kG%Q/z;Z=NwrPiXf-aMF3R) Rsand$,]26-8>5@HD(A3A79gN|0%NHsdek4mT8E,>j+\w!~d2#nH;~NV!5a0"`5$Cj8d\or(Jy/JQ_ |uc;C[filmZ(~#lre*l:|O%d/PJFy`.5w8)sMZ-)QI3TaV"j'k X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.0] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks - I've a situation where a domain sits behind a firewall. I'd like to set up a "polling" situation so the mail server inside the FW can grab mail from the MX'd server outside the firewall. It appears that "fetchmail" may do this with newer sendmails that are configured to use ESMTP. The other problem is the IP # that the inside server has will be dynamic (assigned by the firewall) WRT the outside. It seems this will cause validation problems as there will be no DNS mapping. Was wondering if anyone had any recomendations on this? TIA - Frank \\\\////\\\\////\\\\\////\\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\ Frank Terhaar-Yonkers Cisco Systems, Inc. TISU/NSITE 7025 Kit Creek Road PO Box 14987 Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709 fty@cisco.com voice(919)472-2101 fx(919)472-5600 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 03:45:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12264 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA12256 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:45:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 20227 invoked by uid 1001); 17 Dec 1998 11:44:54 +0000 (GMT) To: gee2@realtime.net Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:05:34 -0600" References: <3678E57E.12B2@realtime.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:44:54 +0100 Message-ID: <20225.913895094@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > For a fraction of the cost of yahu (yet another hardware upgrade) > we purchased better software. The result? I'm using Dnews, a > commercial software package costing less than $500... and my > hardware appears idle. I pull in about 2 megabits average on this > machine, yet the load remains very low, and the filesystem has > plenty of idle cycles. This machine has the appearance of doing > a fraction of the work my old INN workhorse was doing. This is probably not the best place to discuss the various types of News software. But let me just mention that at a customer of mine (a large Norwegian ISP) is basically throwing out Dnews (running on BSD/OS boxes), and replacing it with Diablo and Typhoon (running on FreeBSD boxes) due to all of the problems they've had with Dnews. Dnews may be a good choice in some situations, but clearly not in all situations. As always, YMMV. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 03:58:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA13315 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:58:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA13309 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:58:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA18010; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:58:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:57:41 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: George Wenzel cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) In-Reply-To: <3678E57E.12B2@realtime.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, George Wenzel wrote: > Matthew Patton wrote: > > > > for a news spool you want SPEED, SPEED, and SPEED!! You do *NOT* want RAID5 > > (it's damn slow on writes) and most definately NOT in software. Get a slew > > of disks and use raid 10 (stripe + mirror) for utmost speed. Given modern > > disks, 4 on a channel will tend to saturate the bus. Theoretical > > performance numbers will not be reached due to firmware bugs in drives > > (common) or inefficient drivers. > > > For a fraction of the cost of yahu (yet another hardware upgrade) > we purchased better software. The result? I'm using Dnews, a > commercial software package costing less than $500... and my We had to do this too.. for reference, on 1 machine here, a pentium 133, regular adaptec 2940s, with INN a 'full' weeks postings could be held for almost a week over 4, 4gig drives. When I put dnews in, no other enhancements or changes, I overflowed the drives twice a day.. so I had to purchase 8's to replace the 4's, and could still only retain 2 days tops, setting dnews to clean out groups no one ever went into. With INN, each update slowed stuff down, my backlogs were horrendous, and INN started using MMAP no matter how you set compilation options, and with 128MB of ram, that machine would hit the MMAP problems with INN of corrupted active file numbers. Also dnews can be set to not slow down readers while running its expire process. My users were doing back flips of joy! And that freaked me out cause they usually only bother to through rocks! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Hovey Chief Network Administrator BuffNET More Than Just a Connection! ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 04:15:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17339 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:15:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17334 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:15:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id HAA01567 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA00175 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:12:53 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199812171212.HAA00175@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) In-Reply-To: <3678E57E.12B2@realtime.net> from George Wenzel at "Dec 17, 98 05:05:34 am" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:12:53 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org George Wenzel recently said: > Dnews was more than a major performance gain. Thanks for the real-world experience of using that. > While we are talking about news, I should mention SkyCache. > (www.skycache.com) Through Skycache, for a fraction of what > I nomally pay for bandwidth, I get a full news feed pulled off > of a dish sitting on my roof. The news I get off of the dish > is fresh and always here before news from any of my NNTP peers > and backbone feeds (CWIX and Sprint). How much later were the CWIX/Sprint articles than Skycache. What about missing things because of weather problems, etc. Is there a way to fill-in missing items. >INN was a GREAT improvement over Cnews (how many of you out > there remember Cnews?)... Remeber it? I'm still running it. It's just a home news feed now - and only a good deal of comp and about 3 other threads. It's only for me and one friend. I must spend all of 15 minutes connect time getting this to my desktop :-) It did it's job in those days feeding about 20 other sites. Prior to that I was using Bnews. Six MB day was considered realy a big news day. And on a 4Mhz 68000 BPU with 1MB memory - you had to use minimum compression on the transmitted files, or else it would take longer to decompress them than it would for transmit. Thanks for the Dnews comment and the heads-up on SkyCache Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 04:20:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17880 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:20:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17875 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:20:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA26664; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:20:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13130; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA07088; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:20:31 -0800 (PST) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199812171220.EAA07088@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:20:30 -0800 In-Reply-To: George Wenzel "Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?)" (Dec 17, 5:05am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: gee2@realtime.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Dec 17, 5:05am, George Wenzel wrote: } Subject: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) } As we saw Usenet growing, we were very concerned that INN wasn't } growing with Usenet. INN was improving, but Usenet was growing faster. INN works amazingly well with CAM and softupdates in FreeBSD 3.0, at least if you don't let the directory sizes get too out of hand. --- Truck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 04:48:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21080 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:48:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21068 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:48:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rewt@i-Plus.net) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (rewt@Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA03789 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:40:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:40:00 -0500 (EST) From: Troy Settle To: "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ya know, the days of being able to get IPs at the drop of a hat are indeed over. But, not because we're running out. I'd hazard to say that as much as 40% of all IP space is still unallocated. What then, is the purpose of conservation? It's simple, go to your router, and do a 'sh ip bgp'. That should tell you everything you need to know about why IP conservation is a good thing. When we recently got our new T1, our provider gave us a /22. I quickly renumbered into it, and found that I still needed another /24 so that I could assign each virtual web site a unique address. My upstream didn't even bat an eye at this, and gave me another /22 based on the fact that I had already been efficient in how I used the first one. If you want to talk about inefficient use of IP space, look at the people who still hold their Class-{A,B,C} networks. Having this portable space is insane, especially when a university has 2 Class-B networks, and then subnets it out so that a lab with 24 workstations has a full /24. A Class-A has >16 million addresses. Can anyone on this list suggest any organization that can make _efficient_ use of it? No? Didn't think so. -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Michiel Boland wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Dan Busarow wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, N wrote: > > > I definitely *won't* have any problems when I deplete my assigned IP space > > > and go to RIPE (living in Europe) to request more. You *will* have > > > trouble getting new space if you've assigned all of your space to web > > > hosts to cater for a very, very tiny minority of people who can be easily > > > taken care of just as easily and almost as transparent in other ways. > > > > Not true. ARIN, on this side of the pond, recognizes web sites as > > valid uses of IP space. Too many services common to web sites > > (ftp, RealAudio/Video, LivePicture ...) require unique IPs for > > virtual hosts. > > This argument is not entirely correct. Just because someone needs a unique > number to host realaudio/whatever does not mean that he/she also needs a > unique number for his/her web site. I would be *very* surprised (not to > mention appalled :) if the practice of handing out IP addresses *just* for > virtual HTTP servers is actually condoned by ARIN. > > -- > Michiel Boland > Digital Valley Internet Professionals > Duivendaal 4, Wageningen, The Netherlands > Phone: +31 317 465555, Fax: +31 317 460276 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 04:54:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21775 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:54:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mother.sneaker.net.au (sneaker.net.au [61.8.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21672 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:53:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@sneaker.net.au) Received: from goodluck (ppp04.sneaker.net.au [61.8.14.35]) by mother.sneaker.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA27527 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:18:31 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:51:44 +0800 From: richard To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) In-Reply-To: <3678E57E.12B2@realtime.net> References: <3678E57E.12B2@realtime.net> Message-Id: <367928901FE.23E8RICHARD@mail.sneaker.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > For a fraction of the cost of yahu (yet another hardware upgrade) > we purchased better software. The result? I'm using Dnews, a > commercial software package costing less than $500... and my > hardware appears idle. I pull in about 2 megabits average on this > machine, yet the load remains very low, and the filesystem has > plenty of idle cycles. This machine has the appearance of doing > a fraction of the work my old INN workhorse was doing. > > Dnews was more than a major performance gain. In the INN days, being > a news administrator was a big part of my daily job. With Dnews I > check on news when *I* have time. I never find myself doing the > kind of work i did under INN. It took me 30 minutes to bring the > Dnews machine on-line, and over the course of a year and a half I > have spent a total of about 4 hours maintaining it. I hazard to guess > I would have spent 400 to 1000 hours had I still been running INN, > and there would have been numerous software upgrades and other events > resulting in downtime. We did invest about 20 hours of programming > time wiring Dnews into our user authentication system, which included > custom software mods added by the Dnews programmers. The Dnews > guys did my mods for free, turning them around in about 2 days! > The <$500 price tag I paid for the software was way too low for > what I got. > > Dnews is not the only software out there that is better than INN... > it is just the one I tried. I have heard similar things about > several other packages, but I'll let those software users speak > for themselves. I have pointed other ISP's at Dnews, and so far > I have heard nothing but good things from them. > > I run my Dnews on a dual pentium pro (180MHZ) system, using the > Dmulti feature of Dnews to run 4 copies of the executable... > 1 for incoming news, and three for readers. The SMP was not > needed for this application after all, were I rebuilding the > machine today I would stick to a single CPU. Dnews handles article > storage across multiple filesystems using a small number of files > per drive (article files are grouped together in larger clusters > called "buckets" keeping the filecount low). > > It is just a guess, but I'd venture that a 100mhz pentium with a > medium speed filesystem would be enough to make a full feed work > through Dnews. Raid 10 on super-servers with lots and lots of > performance tuning.... Seems like too much work and money to me. > > Oh and the Dnews guys do mail servers too... You guys being > shut-down because spammers are hammering your sendmail... There > ARE performance options for you out there... Find out about > Dnews and Dmail from www.netwinsite.com. > > I came across a ISP using DNEWS, whenever I access a group, my requests will be placed into a long queue waiting for a long long fetching the group ....... I didn't like it and left the ISP. Surely, as the administrator or owner of ISP , people love DNEWS, but as a user, you might have different view over the DNEWS. regards, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 04:58:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA22308 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from claret.cisco.com (claret.cisco.com [161.44.2.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA22303 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:58:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fty@cisco.com) Received: (fty@localhost) by claret.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) id HAA24958; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:57:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:57:08 -0500 (EST) From: Frank Terhaar-Yonkers Message-Id: <199812171257.HAA24958@claret.cisco.com> To: tups@novobcs.ee Subject: RE: smtp "polling" thru a firewall Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: ,fjtWiMPydUaSQl%8[eTg`u:^BXt&T)Sny(6w\*U"5D9H[Z$kG%Q/z;Z=NwrPiXf-aMF3R) Rsand$,]26-8>5@HD(A3A79gN|0%NHsdek4mT8E,>j+\w!~d2#nH;~NV!5a0"`5$Cj8d\or(Jy/JQ_ |uc;C[filmZ(~#lre*l:|O%d/PJFy`.5w8)sMZ-)QI3TaV"j'k X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.0] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I understand. But in my case I cannot do the MXing on the firewall machine. It's a "political" decision. So, the only way to get mail into the machine inside the FW is to open a socket connection from inside, which then allows two way communication with an smtp server anywhere on the outside. thanks - Frank >> I've a situation where a domain sits behind a firewall. I'd >> like to set >> up a "polling" situation so the mail server inside the FW can >> grab mail >> from the MX'd server outside the firewall. It appears that >> "fetchmail" >> may do this with newer sendmails that are configured to use >> ESMTP. The >> other problem is the IP # that the inside server has will be dynamic >> (assigned by the firewall) WRT the outside. It seems this will cause >> validation problems as there will be no DNS mapping. > >In our Company, MS Exchange server stands inside behind FBSD firewall. >FBSD machine is MX for our domain, and its /etc/mailertable has entry: > >novobcs.ee smtp:[exchange.novobcs.ee] > >exchange.novobcs.ee is declared by dns as IP for our inside exchange machine >It may be 192.168.x.x or whatever > >If anyone sends email for our domain, it will be first sent to firewall >which is MX , and then firewall will send it directly to inside machine > > \\\\////\\\\////\\\\\////\\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\ Frank Terhaar-Yonkers Cisco Systems, Inc. TISU/NSITE 7025 Kit Creek Road PO Box 14987 Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709 fty@cisco.com voice(919)472-2101 fx(919)472-5600 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 05:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA27003 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:37:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26998 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:37:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA25789; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:36:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:35:23 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: Bill Vermillion cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) In-Reply-To: <199812171212.HAA00175@bilver.magicnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Bill Vermillion wrote: > George Wenzel recently said: > > > Dnews was more than a major performance gain. > > Thanks for the real-world experience of using that. > > > While we are talking about news, I should mention SkyCache. > > (www.skycache.com) Through Skycache, for a fraction of what > > I nomally pay for bandwidth, I get a full news feed pulled off > > of a dish sitting on my roof. The news I get off of the dish > > is fresh and always here before news from any of my NNTP peers > > and backbone feeds (CWIX and Sprint). Thats the function of having multiple peers - 2 really isnt enough. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Hovey Chief Network Administrator BuffNET More Than Just a Connection! ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 05:37:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA27120 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:37:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (p10-max11.wlg.ihug.co.nz [209.78.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA27109 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:37:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA27788; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:36:25 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:36:25 +1300 (NZDT) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Frank Terhaar-Yonkers cc: tups@novobcs.ee, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: smtp "polling" thru a firewall In-Reply-To: <199812171257.HAA24958@claret.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is not what ETRN does. ETRN allows you to trigger an immediate queue run on the remote server, but the mail is not going to get sent to you via the existing connection. If you can't alias or proxy an external port through to your internal mail serve then you can't in general use smtp. There are of course ways to set up tunnels, such that you open a connection out to a machine which tunnels inbound connections in, but this probably is not consistent with the security policies you're trying to work with. Perhaps you could use uucp? I don't know much about this. It's mostly before my time. I seem to remember seeing it suggested for this sort of situation though. Be wary of approaches based on pop/procmail. You'll probably find someone who suggests it if you look around, but because it uses the mail headers rather than the SMTP envelope it behaves incorrectly. eg most mailing lists, including the freebsd ones, do not have the recipient addresses in the headers. Andrew McNaughton On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Frank Terhaar-Yonkers wrote: > I understand. But in my case I cannot do the MXing on the firewall > machine. It's a "political" decision. So, the only way to get mail > into the machine inside the FW is to open a socket connection from > inside, which then allows two way communication with an smtp server > anywhere on the outside. > > thanks - Frank > > >> I've a situation where a domain sits behind a firewall. I'd > >> like to set > >> up a "polling" situation so the mail server inside the FW can > >> grab mail > >> from the MX'd server outside the firewall. It appears that > >> "fetchmail" > >> may do this with newer sendmails that are configured to use > >> ESMTP. The > >> other problem is the IP # that the inside server has will be dynamic > >> (assigned by the firewall) WRT the outside. It seems this will cause > >> validation problems as there will be no DNS mapping. > > > >In our Company, MS Exchange server stands inside behind FBSD firewall. > >FBSD machine is MX for our domain, and its /etc/mailertable has entry: > > > >novobcs.ee smtp:[exchange.novobcs.ee] > > > >exchange.novobcs.ee is declared by dns as IP for our inside exchange machine > >It may be 192.168.x.x or whatever > > > >If anyone sends email for our domain, it will be first sent to firewall > >which is MX , and then firewall will send it directly to inside machine > > > > > > > \\\\////\\\\////\\\\\////\\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\ > Frank Terhaar-Yonkers > Cisco Systems, Inc. > TISU/NSITE > 7025 Kit Creek Road PO Box 14987 > Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709 > fty@cisco.com voice(919)472-2101 fx(919)472-5600 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 06:42:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03838 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:42:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hartley.mintel.co.uk (hartley.mintel.co.uk [194.217.87.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03833 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:42:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason.thomson@mintel.co.uk) Received: from mintel.co.uk ([10.0.0.233]) by hartley.mintel.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20016; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:35:01 GMT Message-ID: <36791751.38AFB680@mintel.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:38:09 +0000 From: Jason Thomson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrew@squiz.co.nz CC: Frank Terhaar-Yonkers , tups@novobcs.ee, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: smtp "polling" thru a firewall References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can run uucp over TCP/IP. I don't know how to set it up, but here is a pointer... http://www.freebsd.org/info/uucp/uucp.info.Top.html Andrew McNaughton wrote: > This is not what ETRN does. ETRN allows you to trigger an immediate queue > run on the remote server, but the mail is not going to get sent to you via > the existing connection. If you can't alias or proxy an external port > through to your internal mail serve then you can't in general use smtp. > > There are of course ways to set up tunnels, such that you open a > connection out to a machine which tunnels inbound connections in, but this > probably is not consistent with the security policies you're trying to > work with. > > Perhaps you could use uucp? I don't know much about this. It's mostly > before my time. I seem to remember seeing it suggested for this sort of > situation though. > > Be wary of approaches based on pop/procmail. You'll probably find someone > who suggests it if you look around, but because it uses the mail headers > rather than the SMTP envelope it behaves incorrectly. eg most mailing > lists, including the freebsd ones, do not have the recipient addresses in > the headers. > > Andrew McNaughton > > On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Frank Terhaar-Yonkers wrote: > > > I understand. But in my case I cannot do the MXing on the firewall > > machine. It's a "political" decision. So, the only way to get mail > > into the machine inside the FW is to open a socket connection from > > inside, which then allows two way communication with an smtp server > > anywhere on the outside. > > > > thanks - Frank > > > > >> I've a situation where a domain sits behind a firewall. I'd > > >> like to set > > >> up a "polling" situation so the mail server inside the FW can > > >> grab mail > > >> from the MX'd server outside the firewall. It appears that > > >> "fetchmail" > > >> may do this with newer sendmails that are configured to use > > >> ESMTP. The > > >> other problem is the IP # that the inside server has will be dynamic > > >> (assigned by the firewall) WRT the outside. It seems this will cause > > >> validation problems as there will be no DNS mapping. > > > > > >In our Company, MS Exchange server stands inside behind FBSD firewall. > > >FBSD machine is MX for our domain, and its /etc/mailertable has entry: > > > > > >novobcs.ee smtp:[exchange.novobcs.ee] > > > > > >exchange.novobcs.ee is declared by dns as IP for our inside exchange machine > > >It may be 192.168.x.x or whatever > > > > > >If anyone sends email for our domain, it will be first sent to firewall > > >which is MX , and then firewall will send it directly to inside machine > > > > > > > > > > > > \\\\////\\\\////\\\\\////\\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\////\\\\ > > Frank Terhaar-Yonkers > > Cisco Systems, Inc. > > TISU/NSITE > > 7025 Kit Creek Road PO Box 14987 > > Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709 > > fty@cisco.com voice(919)472-2101 fx(919)472-5600 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 07:17:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07774 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:17:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vic.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07769 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:17:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: (from steve@localhost) by vic.cioe.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA48213 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:17:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steve) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:17:09 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199812171517.KAA48213@vic.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Transparent Proxy: FBSD 3.0, Squid and NAT Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to get transparent proxying to work on my home network before trying to deploy it more widescale. My gateway machine is running FBSD 3.0 (about a week after release). I have natd configured and operational and am using an internal network of 192.168.9.0/24. The gateway is 192.168.9.1. My real IP address is 204.120.165.254. OK. So FBSD is connecting to the net fine (using the real IP). The rest of the machines on my network are working fine (using natd via the gateway). I installed squid 2.0. I changed a copy of netscape to use squid as a proxy server and that went pretty well. I chaned it back to 'no proxy' and went to work on getting things to work transparently. I start with the Squid page on transparent proxy (even has a section on FreeBSD 3.0): http://squid.nlanr.net/Squid/FAQ/FAQ-17.html. This doesn't seem to address working while NAT is enabled but it seemed a good starting place. My final configuration looked like this: squid.conf ---------- http_port 80 httpd_accel_host virtual httpd_accel_port 80 httpd_accel_with_proxy on httpd_accel_uses_host_header on ipfw list --------- 00049 allow ip from 204.120.165.254 to any 00050 fwd 127.0.0.1 tcp from 192.168.9.0/24 to any 80 00100 divert 8668 ip from any to any via ed0 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 65000 allow ip from any to any 65535 deny ip from any to any 49 & 50 are the ones I added. It would seem that you'd want to do the proxy before natd got it via the divert. This worked... kinda. It was really, really slow (much slower than just natd alone). Thoughts? Please? -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 07:52:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11759 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:52:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imap.ncsa.es (imap.ncsa.es [194.179.50.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11753 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:52:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jesusr@ncsa.es) Received: from piolin.ncsa.es (piolin.ncsa.es [194.179.50.134]) by imap.ncsa.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11567; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:52:06 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: "Jesus Rodriguez" From: "Jesus Rodriguez" To: "Steve Ames" , Subject: RE: Transparent Proxy: FBSD 3.0, Squid and NAT Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:58:20 +0100 Message-ID: <01be29d6$11c64820$8632b3c2@piolin.ncsa.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I start with the Squid page on transparent proxy (even has a section >on FreeBSD 3.0): http://squid.nlanr.net/Squid/FAQ/FAQ-17.html. Hello... I have it working using Squid2.0 compiled with -enable-ipf-transparent and IP Filter. It works ok. You can use Transproxy too. JesusR. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 08:18:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14755 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:17:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14748 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:17:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id KAA26801 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA02009 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:19:53 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199812171519.KAA02009@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: from Troy Settle at "Dec 17, 98 07:40:00 am" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:19:53 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Troy Settle recently said: > > Ya know, the days of being able to get IPs at the drop of a hat > are indeed over. But, not because we're running out. I'd hazard to > say that as much as 40% of all IP space is still unallocated. ... > A Class-A has >16 million addresses. Can anyone on this list > suggest any organization that can make _efficient_ use of it? No? > Didn't think so. But a class B has only 65K addresses. Before the days of classless this made sense for people such as IBM, AT&T, GE, and the few others that have A's. It could be efficient for them to be apportion B's and C's from that lot for their global reach. I don't know how efficient that would be - and they could probably use supernetted B's. There are class B's out there too with under 1% usage. One I'm famiar with could easily spin-off 254 of their C's with no impact on their operation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 08:18:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14920 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial0-velvet.Brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14901 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA15664 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:15:40 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:15:39 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: voice information services / voicemail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I guess this isn't strictly ISP related but perhaps ISPs have diversified into something like this: Does anyone have a FreeBSD + voice modem(s) setup which allows basic menus (using DTMF) and pre-recorded audio responses? For a W95 machine with the pretty software that comes with the modem installed this is probably elementary stuff, but the W95 machine that's here doesn't have a modem connected to it, plus I don't want to rely on a Windows machine for information serving at the customer's cost. Does similar exist for FreeBSD? Does it support multiple modems working together simultaneously? (From memory there was something in the ports that provided voicemail functionality...?) Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe Sensation Internet Services, Melbourne Aust fidonet: 3:635/728 +61-3-9388-9260 http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ http://www.sensation.net.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 10:06:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25321 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25316; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:06:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jer@jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jer@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA18350; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:06:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:06:20 -0600 (CST) From: Jeremy Shaffner To: Gary Palmer cc: ryanm , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Qpopper + Sendmail graphing Utility In-Reply-To: <9369.913237166@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > ryanm wrote in message ID > <366EC5D9.1F762F27@accn.org>: > > Does anyone know of any tools that take popper and sendmail > > logfiles, parse them and generate .html output?? I am looking > > to put some stat's up on our website so I thought I would > > see if there were any tools already available to do this. > > If you have any info you can pass on I would appreciate it. > > There is a thing in the MRTG distribution to allow you to feed the > output of the mailstats command into MRTG for graphing. It looks > pretty raw... > > No idea about qpopper ... we graph some qpopper stuff, but thats more > a feature of our network monitoring software than it is anything else. > Haven't looked at this yet, but it might help. ---- >From john@arnie.jfive.com Thu Dec 17 12:04:00 1998 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:46:33 -0600 (CST) From: John Heyer To: ryanm@accn.org Cc: krl@rtmx.com, dima@stv.ee, baroti@icmct.uvt.ro, jer@jorsm.com Subject: Popper Traffic Script This is all I have so far - it's nothing much and unfortunately doesn't graph or sort, but does give you the accesses based on username and has decent runtime. I am looking to create one that graphs and sorts, but I really have no idea how to do that in Perl, so it will be a C or C++ program coming in late Decemeber. Since I'm sharing it with others, I can't develop it on company time. -- "Mr. Spock, your mind is incedibly logical and analytical!" "Thank you." #!/usr/bin/perl # Popper stats by Username # Designed to spot high frequencies of mail access through POP server # by John Heyer = jfive@jfive.com print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; print "\n"; print "\n"; $logfile = "/var/log/messages"; @entries = `grep \'popper\' $logfile | grep -i stats | awk -F\: '{print \$5}'`; $i, $biggest = 0; foreach $entry (@entries) { ($null,$username,$stats) = split(/ /,$entry); if(!$times{$username}) { # New access for today @accesses[$i] = "$username"; $times{$username} = 1; } else { # Another access $times{$username} = $times{$username} + 1; } $i++; } print "

Popper Stats by username

\n"; print "\n"; foreach $username (@accesses) { if ($username) { print ""; print "\n"; } } print "
$username$times{$username}
\n\n\n"; -===================================================================- Jeremy Shaffner JORSM Internet Senior Technical Support Northwest Indiana's Premium jer@jorsm.com Internet Service Provider support@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com -===================================================================- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 10:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25549 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:08:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25544 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:08:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jer@jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jer@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA18657; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:08:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:08:16 -0600 (CST) From: Jeremy Shaffner To: "Alexander V. Tischenko" cc: Steve Ames , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Urgent Qpopper Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If it does it as soon as you open the port it wouldn't be the mailbox would it? On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Alexander V. Tischenko wrote: > Try checking out mailbox separation mode (Unix vs. MMDF). > It is very likely, that your delivery program stores mail into > mailbox separating it with From_ lines and qpopper expects mail > to be separated with ^A's or vice versa... > > On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Steve Ames wrote: > > > > > One of our servers is giving some really bizarre qpopper errors. > > Its running qpopper 2.52. > > > > Everytime you attempt to retrieve email (or just telnet to the > > pop3 port) it gives the following error: > > > > > Protocol pop3, server response ":Err - > > > unable to process from lines (envelope), change recognition modes. > > > port 110, secure (SSL), no server error 0x800CCC90, Error number 0x800CCC92" > > > > Anyone have any clues on that at all? This is a real mess as none of > > the users can get e-mail right now. > > > > -Steve > > -===================================================================- Jeremy Shaffner JORSM Internet Senior Technical Support Northwest Indiana's Premium jer@jorsm.com Internet Service Provider support@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com -===================================================================- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 11:19:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03762 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:19:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from RWSystems.net (commie.rwsystems.net [209.197.192.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03757 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:19:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystr.RWSystems.net) Received: from rwsystr.RWSystems.net([209.197.192.108]) (2390 bytes) by RWSystems.net via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:02:48 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1998-Jul-31) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:03:32 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Rowan Crowe cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: voice information services / voicemail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Rowan Crowe wrote: > I guess this isn't strictly ISP related but perhaps ISPs have diversified > into something like this: > > Does anyone have a FreeBSD + voice modem(s) setup which allows basic menus > (using DTMF) and pre-recorded audio responses? I know vgetty reputes the ability to do this. I used to use it on my old Linix (1.2.1!) box with a Cyclades board and it was buggy. A few months ago our answering machine went epileptic(sp?) and I tried again with FreeBSD and a DigiBoard. This time it works great for answering machine use! Both were on 486 ISA machines with the ZyXEL 1496E modem. I don't use the DTMF facilities *yet*, but a friend had used for a menu that did things like trigger a PPP call to his ISP and Text-To-Speech his dynamic IP address. I intend to use it to allow remote X-10 access and multi-box voicemail. Another friend is also using it for an answering machine, but hints that the latest release may not be as nice as the older ones. DTMF can cause shell-script interaction and it supports the Rockwell voice-modems which are cheaper than the ZyXEL. I have really liked the ZyXEL modem longterm, though. I have a Hayes Optima (as well as a cheap Rockwell modem) I will be experimenting-with later. vgetty also supports ANI/CallerId(tm) and Differential/RingMaster(tm) protocols. FWIW: It makes a great answering machine for voice and FAX messaging. A small CGI script allows on-the-fly conversion from the modem-format (compressed!) voicemail file and G3 FAX file to .wav and .tiff so Navigator and WaterMark(FileNet now) viewers work well. Some of us are beginning work on a MySQL+Java client to improve user and admin features and speed. Hope this helps - Jy@ (jwyatt@rwsystems.net) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 12:10:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10328 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:10:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10323 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:10:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04188; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdQh4182; Thu Dec 17 20:01:38 1998 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:01:35 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Steve Ames cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Transparent Proxy: FBSD 3.0, Squid and NAT In-Reply-To: <199812171517.KAA48213@vic.cioe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you are using FreeBSD 3.0 then why not use the kernel's built-in transproxy support? what machine is the proxy server running on? If on the gateway machine, then all you need is the firewall rule: ipfw add 2 fwd 127.0.0.1,3128 tcp from any to 0.0.0.0/0 80 in recv ed1 out xmit ed0 where ed0 is your internet interface, and ed1 is your internal interface 3128 is the squid listenning port. your kernel needs option IPFIREWALL_FORWARD On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Steve Ames wrote: > > I'm trying to get transparent proxying to work on my home network > before trying to deploy it more widescale. My gateway machine is > running FBSD 3.0 (about a week after release). I have natd configured > and operational and am using an internal network of 192.168.9.0/24. > The gateway is 192.168.9.1. My real IP address is 204.120.165.254. > > OK. So FBSD is connecting to the net fine (using the real IP). The > rest of the machines on my network are working fine (using natd > via the gateway). I installed squid 2.0. I changed a copy of netscape > to use squid as a proxy server and that went pretty well. I chaned it > back to 'no proxy' and went to work on getting things to work > transparently. > > I start with the Squid page on transparent proxy (even has a section > on FreeBSD 3.0): http://squid.nlanr.net/Squid/FAQ/FAQ-17.html. > > This doesn't seem to address working while NAT is enabled but it > seemed a good starting place. My final configuration looked like > this: > > squid.conf > ---------- > http_port 80 > httpd_accel_host virtual > httpd_accel_port 80 > httpd_accel_with_proxy on > httpd_accel_uses_host_header on > > ipfw list > --------- > 00049 allow ip from 204.120.165.254 to any > 00050 fwd 127.0.0.1 tcp from 192.168.9.0/24 to any 80 > 00100 divert 8668 ip from any to any via ed0 > 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 > 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 > 65000 allow ip from any to any > 65535 deny ip from any to any > > 49 & 50 are the ones I added. It would seem that you'd want to > do the proxy before natd got it via the divert. This worked... > kinda. It was really, really slow (much slower than just natd > alone). > > Thoughts? Please? Use the built in tproxy support? > > -Steve > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 12:38:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13586 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from commnet.accn.org (commnet.accn.org [207.73.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13570 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:38:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ryanm@accn.org) Received: from accn.org (nt1.accn.org [207.73.64.8]) by commnet.accn.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13114 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:37:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36796B46.D2B5E5AC@accn.org> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:36:22 -0500 From: ryanm X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Class C References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could someone tell me how I can get as much information pertaining to a specific class C as possible?? I have an unresolveable IP address and want to find out who owns it or administers it. A user has attempted to hack into one of my machines and I would like to contact the place were he gets I'net service through. If anyone has any info they can feed back to me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 12:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15227 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:53:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from loviatar.webcom.com (loviatar.webcom.com [209.1.28.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15221 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:53:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by loviatar.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA12183; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:53:24 -0800 Received: from [209.122.117.150] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 15702406; Thu Dec 17 12:51 PST 1998 Message-Id: <36796F8D.403E@echidna.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:54:37 -0500 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ryanm Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Class C References: <36796B46.D2B5E5AC@accn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ryanm wrote: > > Could someone tell me how I can get as much information pertaining > to a specific class C as possible?? I have an unresolveable IP address > and want to find out who owns it or administers it. A user has attempted > to hack into one of my machines and I would like to contact the place > were he gets I'net service through. If anyone has any info they can > feed back to me I would appreciate it. whois -h whois.arin.net ip# (if from the American registry) and go from there. In general: American Registry for Internet Numbers - whois.arin.net European IP Address Allocations - whois.ripe.net Asia Pacific IP Address Allocations - whois.apnic.net Also, dig -x can give quick answers, even when there is no PTR record for the full IP. -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 13:45:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21369 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:45:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21364 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:45:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA21047 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:44:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:44:25 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199812172144.NAA21047@pau-amma.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Class C Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <36796F8D.403E@echidna.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:54:37 -0500 >From: Graeme Tait >In general: > American Registry for Internet Numbers - whois.arin.net > European IP Address Allocations - whois.ripe.net > Asia Pacific IP Address Allocations - whois.apnic.net And for Canada, it's www.cdnnet.ca (as a correspondent informed me, and as I verified). (Well, he said "http://www.cdnnet.ca/" and what I tried was "whois -h www.cdnnet.ca" -- which worked. I usually don't have time to deal with Web browsers.) Working clues for Central & South America, as well as Africa, would be welcome. david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 13:47:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21581 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:47:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21566 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:47:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09618; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:47:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:46:35 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: ryanm cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Class C In-Reply-To: <36796B46.D2B5E5AC@accn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The easiest way to find the origin, without ending up having to comb your hair with a towel, is to run a traceroute - the in-addr.arpa function of the traceroute as it goes thru the various hops, should provide a domain name at or very near that IP, such that it would give you someone to complain to. Failing that, or if you dont mind combing your hair with a towel, you can see who owns that chucnk of address space, with rwhois, or maybe still whois look ups, stepping up an octet as you go.. for instance whois 100.1.1 if nothing whois 100.1 if nothing whois 100 if nothing, then give in and run a traceroute! :) On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, ryanm wrote: > Could someone tell me how I can get as much information pertaining > to a specific class C as possible?? I have an unresolveable IP address > and want to find out who owns it or administers it. A user has attempted > to hack into one of my machines and I would like to contact the place > were he gets I'net service through. If anyone has any info they can > feed back to me I would appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Ryan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Hovey Chief Network Administrator BuffNET More Than Just a Connection! ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 13:49:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21848 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:49:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mjhb.asc-net.com (mjhb.asc-net.com [204.254.69.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21842 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:49:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marty@mjhb.asc-net.com) Received: (from marty@localhost) by mjhb.asc-net.com (8.9.1-MJHB/8.9.1) id NAA01688 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:49:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marty) Message-ID: <19981217134903.A1630@asc-net.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:49:03 -0800 From: Marty Bower To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Class C References: <36796B46.D2B5E5AC@accn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36796B46.D2B5E5AC@accn.org>; from ryanm on Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 03:36:22PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 03:36:22PM -0500, ryanm wrote: > Could someone tell me how I can get as much information pertaining > to a specific class C as possible?? I have an unresolveable IP address > and want to find out who owns it or administers it. See http://mjhb.marina-del-rey.ca.us/cgi-bin/ipw.pl. This is a web interface to a program that queries the regional IP registries for this type of information. -- Marty Bower | http://mjhb.marina-del-rey.ca.us | marty@mjhb.mdr.ca.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 13:53:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22669 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:53:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22639; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:53:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wpeters@xylan.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id NAA02739; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id NAA02962; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:53:26 -0800 Received: from xylan.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id OAA03688; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:53:25 -0700 Message-ID: <36797D5B.B6E00968@xylan.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:53:31 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Xylan Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PPP and mgetty vs. MicroSloth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a user attempting to dial in via ISDN from an NoTworkstation 4.0 machine. We've switched her connection from analog modems to ISDN, using two 3Com Impact IQ TAs. mgetty, which has been working flawlessly until now, will not start AutoPPP for love nor money. I'm at my wits end, and she's driving me crazy wanting to have this working tomorrow, so she can spend the day at home cooking and (ahem) working from home. Any help? Any magic incantations? Another engineer in the office has been able to dial in easily using Linux, so this appears to be associated with MicroSloth's infamously screwed PPP startup. Curiously, though, the same configuration work(ed) via analog modem. Help! -- Wes Peters Who's going to save you Principal Engineer When you're a slave to Xylan Corporation A diamond as big as the Ritz wpeters@xylan.com -- Jimmy Buffett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 15:35:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04435 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:35:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roble.com (gw4.roble.com [199.108.85.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04430 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:35:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble3.roble.com (roble3.roble.com [207.5.40.53]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id PAA10257 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:35:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:35:11 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Class C In-Reply-To: <19981217134903.A1630@asc-net.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Marty Bower wrote: > See http://mjhb.marina-del-rey.ca.us/cgi-bin/ipw.pl. This is a > web interface to a program that queries the regional IP registries > for this type of information. Though not as powerful as ipw.pl there's also a whois wrapper script at ftp://ftp.roble.com/unix/whoiss Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 15:49:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06232 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:49:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hecate.webcom.com (hecate.webcom.com [209.1.28.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06227 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:49:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by hecate.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA05943 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:49:46 -0800 Received: from [209.122.117.150] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 15939297; Thu Dec 17 15:47 PST 1998 Message-Id: <367998D1.2EC0@echidna.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:50:41 -0500 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Graeme@echidna.com Subject: Re: Class C References: <199812172144.NAA21047@pau-amma.whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Wolfskill wrote: > > >Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:54:37 -0500 > >From: Graeme Tait > > >In general: > > > American Registry for Internet Numbers - whois.arin.net > > European IP Address Allocations - whois.ripe.net > > Asia Pacific IP Address Allocations - whois.apnic.net > > And for Canada, it's www.cdnnet.ca (as a correspondent informed me, and > as I verified). (Well, he said "http://www.cdnnet.ca/" and what I tried > was "whois -h www.cdnnet.ca" -- which worked. I usually don't have time > to deal with Web browsers.) > > Working clues for Central & South America, as well as Africa, would be > welcome. See http://www.arin.net/otheregisties.html [sic] Does not ARIN include Canada? AFAIK, the "America" means all of N & S America. -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 15:57:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07530 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:57:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dnai.com (dnai.com [207.181.194.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07522; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:57:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from miket@dnai.com) Received: from desktop (dnai-207-181-255-44.dialup.dnai.com [207.181.255.44]) by dnai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00540; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:55:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812172355.PAA00540@dnai.com> X-Sender: miket@mail.dnai.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:54:30 -0800 To: Wes Peters , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Thompson Subject: Re: PPP and mgetty vs. MicroSloth In-Reply-To: <36797D5B.B6E00968@xylan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:53 PM 12/17/98 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: >I have a user attempting to dial in via ISDN from an NoTworkstation 4.0 >machine. We've switched her connection from analog modems to ISDN, >using two 3Com Impact IQ TAs. Wes, Try adding the "-D 9" setting to the mgetty entry in your /etc/ttys file and then signal init "kill -1 1" and restart mgetty. This should create a debug file in the /tmp directory where you can do a "tail -f" command to follow the communication sequence between the serial port and the 3Com Impact. You will probably see something pretty obvious in the AT commands that are exchanged between mgetty and the 3Com Impact. If I had to guess, I would bet the 3Com Impact may not be returning a "RING" string that mgetty uses to trigger the "ATA" command for the Impact to pick up the line. Or, the Impact is not returning a proper "CONNECT" once the line is answered for mgetty to continue the login sequence. The debug log should make the problem obvious. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 17:06:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16764 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:06:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16753 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:06:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA12463; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:27:44 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA11577; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:27:42 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981218112742.B486@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:27:42 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Matthew Patton , Dan Swartzendruber Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? References: <3.0.5.32.19981215231329.00966ae0@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew Patton on Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 01:05:29AM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 17 December 1998 at 1:05:29 -0500, Matthew Patton wrote: > for a news spool you want SPEED, SPEED, and SPEED!! You do *NOT* want RAID5 > (it's damn slow on writes) and most definately NOT in software. Why not? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 18:31:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27547 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:31:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ts.shopnet.com (ts.shopnet.com [208.131.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27542 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:31:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deichert@wildponies.org) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id TAA02355; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:34:01 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:34:01 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: James Wyatt cc: Rowan Crowe , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: voice information services / voicemail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I haven't tried the following but it looks interesting. http://www-internal.alphanet.ch/~schaefer/mvm/ A modem independent voice mail system using vgetty. diana To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 18:45:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28994 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28984 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:45:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA12912; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:14:42 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id NAA11935; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:14:34 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981218131434.M486@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:14:34 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Matthew Patton , Dan Swartzendruber Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? References: <3.0.5.32.19981215231329.00966ae0@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew Patton on Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 01:05:29AM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 X-Mutt-References: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 17 December 1998 at 1:05:29 -0500, Matthew Patton wrote: > for a news spool you want SPEED, SPEED, and SPEED!! You do *NOT* want RAID5 > (it's damn slow on writes) and most definately NOT in software. Get a slew > of disks and use raid 10 (stripe + mirror) for utmost speed. Striping (``RAID 0'') will give you better speed for concurrent access, which is what you are talking about here. Mirroring (RAID-1) will give you better read performance, assuming your system balances reads across the mirror, but worse write performance. > Given modern disks, 4 on a channel will tend to saturate the > bus. Theoretical performance numbers will not be reached due to > firmware bugs in drives (common) or inefficient drivers. Correct. Consider also the extreme effect of latency in a multi-access system such as a news server. > Here are my suggestions, all are predominantly HW based. In all cases, 1 > hot spare per channel. Plenty of ambient cooling and power regulation is > needed. In addition to the simple 'art' of RAID selection there is also > 'slice/interleave' size to factor in. With drives doing full track read > aheads with their own fancy algorithms and varying lamounts of onboard > cache, precise numbers are very difficult to come up with. It depends on > what kinds of IO you do. On a database, I would probably use 16 or > 32kb. On FreeBSD, this is too small. > A media server (large files) 64kb or more. On boxes with lots of > small sizes, accessed randomly and rapidly, 8 or 16kb. Far too small > But you dont' want to fill up the controller's command queue with > too many commands. That's not the big problem. The fact is that the block I/O system issues requests of between .5kB and 60 kB; a typical mix is somewhere round 8 kB. You can't stop any striping system from breaking a request into two physical requests, and if you do it wrong it can be broken into several. This will result in a significant drop in performance: the decrease in transfer time per disk is offset by the order of magnitude greater increase in latency. With modern disk sizes and the FreeBSD block I/O system, you can expect to have a reasonably small number of fragmented requests with a stripe size between 256 kB and 512 kB; I can't see any reason not to increase the size to 2 or 4 MB on a large disk. The easiest way to consider the impact of any transfer is the total time it takes: since just about everything is cached, the time relationship between the request and its completion is not important. Consider, then, a typical news article of 24 kB, which will probably be read in a single I/O. Take disks with a transfer rate of 6 MB/s and an average positioning time of 8 ms, and a file system with 4 kB blocks. Since it's 24 kB, we don't have to worry about fragments, so the file will start on a 4 kB boundary. The number of transfers required depends on where the block starts: it's (S + F - 1) / S, where S is the stripe size in file system blocks, and F is the file size in file system blocks. 1: Stripe size of 4 kB. You'll have 6 transfers. Total subsystem load: 48 ms latency, 2 ms transfer, 50 ms total. 2: Stripe size of 8 kB. On average, you'll have 3.5 transfers. Total subsystem load: 28 ms latency, 2 ms transfer, 30 ms total. 3: Stripe size of 16 kB. On average, you'll have 2.25 transfers. Total subsystem load: 18 ms latency, 2 ms transfer, 20 ms total. 4: Stripe size of 256 kB. On average, you'll have 1.08 transfers. Total subsystem load: 8.6 ms latency, 2 ms transfer, 10.6 ms total. These calculations are borne out in practice. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 19:03:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01614 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:03:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01609 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:03:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dswartz@druber.com) Received: from manticore (manticore.druber.com [207.180.95.108]) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA21311; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:02:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981217220152.009c6100@mail.kersur.net> X-Sender: druber@mail.kersur.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:01:52 -0500 To: Greg Lehey From: Dan Swartzendruber Subject: Re: RAID solutions? Cc: Matthew Patton , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981218131434.M486@freebie.lemis.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19981215231329.00966ae0@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg, are there any performance ramifications with RAID5? When not in degraded mode, of course... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 19:06:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02000 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:06:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01978 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:06:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA13012; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:35:23 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id NAA12018; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:35:02 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981218133502.Q486@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:35:02 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Dan Swartzendruber Cc: Matthew Patton , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? References: <3.0.5.32.19981215231329.00966ae0@mail.kersur.net> <19981218131434.M486@freebie.lemis.com> <3.0.5.32.19981217220152.009c6100@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981217220152.009c6100@mail.kersur.net>; from Dan Swartzendruber on Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 10:01:52PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 17 December 1998 at 22:01:52 -0500, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > Greg, are there any performance ramifications with RAID5? When not in > degraded mode, of course... Yes, big ones. Every write in normal mode requires at least one additional I/O to the parity block. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 19:10:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02507 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:10:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02499 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dswartz@druber.com) Received: from manticore (manticore.druber.com [207.180.95.108]) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA21572; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:08:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981217220842.009d5cf0@mail.kersur.net> X-Sender: druber@mail.kersur.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:08:42 -0500 To: Greg Lehey From: Dan Swartzendruber Subject: Re: RAID solutions? Cc: Matthew Patton , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981218133502.Q486@freebie.lemis.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19981217220152.009c6100@mail.kersur.net> <3.0.5.32.19981215231329.00966ae0@mail.kersur.net> <19981218131434.M486@freebie.lemis.com> <3.0.5.32.19981217220152.009c6100@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:35 PM 12/18/98 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >On Thursday, 17 December 1998 at 22:01:52 -0500, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >> >> Greg, are there any performance ramifications with RAID5? When not in >> degraded mode, of course... > >Yes, big ones. Every write in normal mode requires at least one >additional I/O to the parity block. That's what I wondered about. Probably not worth it for a news spool... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 19:13:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03168 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:13:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03135 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA13062; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:42:09 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id NAA12044; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:41:59 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981218134159.S486@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:41:59 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Dan Swartzendruber Cc: Matthew Patton , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? References: <3.0.5.32.19981217220152.009c6100@mail.kersur.net> <3.0.5.32.19981215231329.00966ae0@mail.kersur.net> <19981218131434.M486@freebie.lemis.com> <3.0.5.32.19981217220152.009c6100@mail.kersur.net> <19981218133502.Q486@freebie.lemis.com> <3.0.5.32.19981217220842.009d5cf0@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981217220842.009d5cf0@mail.kersur.net>; from Dan Swartzendruber on Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 10:08:42PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 17 December 1998 at 22:08:42 -0500, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > At 01:35 PM 12/18/98 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Thursday, 17 December 1998 at 22:01:52 -0500, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >>> >>> Greg, are there any performance ramifications with RAID5? When not in >>> degraded mode, of course... >> >> Yes, big ones. Every write in normal mode requires at least one >> additional I/O to the parity block. > > That's what I wondered about. Probably not worth it for a news spool... It depends. Matthew was recommending RAID-1 (mirroring). That requires significantly more disk. If you are concerned about the integrity of your news spool, you have the choice between RAID-5 and RAID-1. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 19:44:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07335 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:44:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07329 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:44:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dswartz@druber.com) Received: from manticore (manticore.druber.com [207.180.95.108]) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA21869; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:15:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981217221528.009cb980@mail.kersur.net> X-Sender: druber@mail.kersur.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:15:28 -0500 To: Greg Lehey From: Dan Swartzendruber Subject: Re: RAID solutions? Cc: Matthew Patton , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981218134159.S486@freebie.lemis.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19981217220842.009d5cf0@mail.kersur.net> <3.0.5.32.19981217220152.009c6100@mail.kersur.net> <3.0.5.32.19981215231329.00966ae0@mail.kersur.net> <19981218131434.M486@freebie.lemis.com> <3.0.5.32.19981217220152.009c6100@mail.kersur.net> <19981218133502.Q486@freebie.lemis.com> <3.0.5.32.19981217220842.009d5cf0@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:41 PM 12/18/98 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >On Thursday, 17 December 1998 at 22:08:42 -0500, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >> At 01:35 PM 12/18/98 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >>> On Thursday, 17 December 1998 at 22:01:52 -0500, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >>>> >>>> Greg, are there any performance ramifications with RAID5? When not in >>>> degraded mode, of course... >>> >>> Yes, big ones. Every write in normal mode requires at least one >>> additional I/O to the parity block. >> >> That's what I wondered about. Probably not worth it for a news spool... > >It depends. Matthew was recommending RAID-1 (mirroring). That >requires significantly more disk. If you are concerned about the >integrity of your news spool, you have the choice between RAID-5 and >RAID-1. Mirroring sucks for this, no? Twice the space, and you still have to do an extra write, don't you? I know it can be faster when reading (I work at a company that does fault-tolerant TP systems, so we have to deal with these issues...) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 23:05:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29560 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:05:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA29555 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 5414 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Dec 1998 07:05:35 +0000 (GMT) To: grog@lemis.com Cc: patton@sysnet.net, dswartz@druber.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:14:34 +1030" References: <19981218131434.M486@freebie.lemis.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:05:35 +0100 Message-ID: <5412.913964735@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Striping (``RAID 0'') will give you better speed for concurrent > access, which is what you are talking about here. Mirroring (RAID-1) > will give you better read performance, assuming your system balances > reads across the mirror, but worse write performance. ... and the FreeBSD ccd mirroring does *not* balance the reads. It always reads from the first disk in a mirror. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 17 23:36:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02276 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:36:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail5.realtime.net (mail5.realtime.net [205.238.128.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA02267 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:36:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gee2@realtime.net) Received: from pit ([205.238.164.35]) by mail5.realtime.net ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:35:27 -600 Message-ID: <367A05E9.2AE2@realtime.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:36:09 -0600 From: George Wenzel Reply-To: gee2@realtime.net Organization: Real/Time Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Vermillion CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) References: <199812171212.HAA00175@bilver.magicnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Vermillion wrote: > > George Wenzel recently said: > > > While we are talking about news, I should mention SkyCache. > > (www.skycache.com) Through Skycache, for a fraction of what > > I nomally pay for bandwidth, I get a full news feed pulled off > > of a dish sitting on my roof. The news I get off of the dish > > is fresh and always here before news from any of my NNTP peers > > and backbone feeds (CWIX and Sprint). > > How much later were the CWIX/Sprint articles than Skycache. What > about missing things because of weather problems, etc. Is there a > way to fill-in missing items. Well, that is the beauty of the whole thing. Skycache feeds me most of the articles. The articles are several minutes fresher than both CWIX and Sprint. But this is /not/ to bash Sprint and CWIX, because their news admins have done a bang-up job of stepping up to the task... A backbone network must go through fan-out to distribute news. Sprint and CWIX use distributed server farms of some sort. Skycache uses a satellite. The difference is that end to end latency is lower if the only latency is getting to and from a satellite, and dealing with the packet latency of satellite related electronics. So even if Sprint is real fast, they are racing something that uses no CPU. In any event the stats show the whole story, every article that Skycach delivers is at my server first, no exceptions. Sprint and CWIX can then serve as fill, which works perfectly. I refuse most of what the pair offer, keeping my bandwidth consumption due to news limited to background noise. > > >INN was a GREAT improvement over Cnews (how many of you out > > there remember Cnews?)... > > Remeber it? I'm still running it. It's just a home news feed now - > and only a good deal of comp and about 3 other threads. It's only > for me and one friend. I must spend all of 15 minutes connect time > getting this to my desktop :-) It did it's job in those days feeding > about 20 other sites. Prior to that I was using Bnews. Six MB day > was considered realy a big news day. And on a 4Mhz 68000 BPU with > 1MB memory - you had to use minimum compression on the transmitted > files, or else it would take longer to decompress them than it would > for transmit. Well.. I must be a youngster... I didn't start playing with news untill Bnews was yesterday's server... I remember cnews being mostly shell scripts, though the last version I think had a lot more compiled code making it faster... Dejavu, At one point I was excited because I got a satellite link to receive news on to save bandwidth... 9600 baud from satellite delivered about 90% of the news (eventually they had to go with compression which ate precious CPU... now CPU outstrips IO). I think I was posting the same articles back then... in a different era it seems. George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 00:26:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07396 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:26:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07391 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:26:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA13971; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:56:37 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id SAA18562; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:56:37 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981218185636.Z486@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:56:36 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: patton@sysnet.net, dswartz@druber.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? References: <19981218131434.M486@freebie.lemis.com> <5412.913964735@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <5412.913964735@verdi.nethelp.no>; from sthaug@nethelp.no on Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 08:05:35AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 18 December 1998 at 8:05:35 +0100, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: >> Striping (``RAID 0'') will give you better speed for concurrent >> access, which is what you are talking about here. Mirroring (RAID-1) >> will give you better read performance, assuming your system balances >> reads across the mirror, but worse write performance. > > ... and the FreeBSD ccd mirroring does *not* balance the reads. It always > reads from the first disk in a mirror. Correct. But that's about the only package that does. Use vinum instead; it's much more advanced. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 00:33:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08427 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:33:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail5.realtime.net (mail5.realtime.net [205.238.128.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA08404 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:33:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gee2@realtime.net) Received: from pit ([205.238.164.35]) by mail5.realtime.net ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:32:50 -600 Message-ID: <367A135D.471A@realtime.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:33:33 -0600 From: George Wenzel Reply-To: gee2@realtime.net Organization: Real/Time Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) References: <3678E57E.12B2@realtime.net> <367928901FE.23E8RICHARD@mail.sneaker.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org richard wrote: > > > I came across a ISP using DNEWS, whenever I access a group, my requests > will be placed into a long queue waiting for a long long fetching the > group ....... I didn't like it and left the ISP. > > Surely, as the administrator or owner of ISP , people love DNEWS, but > as a user, you might have different view over the DNEWS. > Actually, there are a lot of ways to use Dnews. Dnews has lots of options I simply don't use. I am using Dnews in the same way I was using INN. I do peer to peer NNTP, and users read live hot news. Dnews has the option to use a "sucking" feed. A sucking feed emulates a user while connecting to the upstream site. For someone with a small number of users, this is MUCH more efficient than a full feed. however if you provide feeds, or have enough users that sucking is impractical, you simply don't use it. I tested the sucking feed against my INN server when I first evaluated Dnews. I agree with the theory behind it, but I could tell within a few minutes that I didn't want that. I have thousands of users trained to expect news on demand, and the sucking feed configuration would have been unexciting to them. I'd write your experience off as an inexperienced ISP making a management decision destined for unpopularity. Just because you /can/ shoot yourself in the foot doesn't mean you should. I guess that is the universal caveat... Your milage is dependant on how YOU drive more than what you drive. Few of the complaints I get about news have anything to do with the server. In fact, I can't think of any complaints that were because of the software. Perhaps complaints on how I configured expire or something, but then not everyone understands that carrying a month of binaries is impractical. My largest problems have been that the whole thing seems clogged and poorly managed... Usenet that is... but I wouldn't have it any other way ;) George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 00:33:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08437 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:33:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail5.realtime.net (mail5.realtime.net [205.238.128.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA08411 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:33:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gee2@realtime.net) Received: from pit ([205.238.164.35]) by mail5.realtime.net ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:57:05 -600 Message-ID: <367A0AFC.49D5@realtime.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:57:48 -0600 From: George Wenzel Reply-To: gee2@realtime.net Organization: Real/Time Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troy Settle CC: "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: Aliased IPs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Troy Settle wrote: > > If you want to talk about inefficient use of IP space, look at the people > who still hold their Class-{A,B,C} networks. Having this portable space > is insane, especially when a university has 2 Class-B networks, and then > subnets it out so that a lab with 24 workstations has a full /24. > > A Class-A has >16 million addresses. Can anyone on this list suggest any > organization that can make _efficient_ use of it? No? Didn't think so. > I have several corporate customers with B's. Most of them got the addresses well before connecting to the Internet. These are medium to small firms. I've got huge clients existing on much less. There is a LOT of space that needs to be harvested from inefficient allocation. ISP's need to be the leaders of efficiency. If we were to do our job correctly, those inefficient allocations should be able to be eliminated in a painless manner... no one should have to renumber. NAT has it's flaws, but sooner or later we will all be using it. ISP's should be able to maintain their own address space consisting of as many full address spaces as they feel like translating. Part of what we need is better central site software and systems, but that is coming. I'm confident the world will never run out of ip addresses. When we think we are out, we will learn to multiply. It is really a simple engineering problem. There are no limits except those in our heads. George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 00:57:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11515 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:57:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn ([202.96.234.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11510 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:57:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xiyuan@unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn) Received: (from root@localhost) by unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA02333 for isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2022 11:44:07 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from xiyuan) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 11:44:07 +0800 (CST) From: xiyuan Message-Id: <202204290344.LAA02333@unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn> To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: All network ports in use. Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I just encounted with a problem. When I telnet to my server(SCO Unix), the server told me: telnetd: All network ports in use. Why? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 02:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22300 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:40:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rossel.saarnet.de (rossel.saarnet.de [145.253.240.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA22166 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:39:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doehrm@aubi.de) Received: from igate.aubi.de (root@igate.aubi.de [145.253.242.249]) by rossel.saarnet.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16582; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:41:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from soraya.aubi.de ([170.56.121.252]) by igate.aubi.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA11420; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:51:35 +0100 Received: from exchange.aubi.de (EXCHANGE.aubi.de [170.56.121.91]) by soraya.aubi.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13226; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:43:59 +0100 (CET) Received: by EXCHANGE.aubi.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:32:47 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Markus_D=F6hr?= To: "'xiyuan'" , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: All network ports in use. Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:31:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id CAA22169 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > When I telnet to my server(SCO Unix), the server told me: > telnetd: All network > ports in use. Have you the 'free academic license' of SCO? They don't let more than one incoming connection (telnet) to the server. -- Markus Doehr IT Admin AUBI Baubeschläge GmbH Tel.: +49 6503 917 152 Fax : +49 6503 917 119 e-Mail: doehrm@aubi.de MD1139-RIPE ************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 03:06:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA24462 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:06:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA24457 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:06:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 7949 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Dec 1998 11:06:20 +0000 (GMT) To: grog@lemis.com Cc: patton@sysnet.net, dswartz@druber.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:56:36 +1030" References: <19981218185636.Z486@freebie.lemis.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:06:20 +0100 Message-ID: <7947.913979180@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > ... and the FreeBSD ccd mirroring does *not* balance the reads. It always > > reads from the first disk in a mirror. > > Correct. But that's about the only package that does. Use vinum > instead; it's much more advanced. We haven't really looked at vinum because we've gotten the impression that it's not quite ready for prime time yet. If you think it can offer stability and write performance similar to ccd, *and* better performance on reads (for a mirrored file system), it's definitely something we should consider. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 04:43:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA04159 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:43:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA04152 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:43:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA68924; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:42:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Dan Swartzendruber cc: Greg Lehey , Matthew Patton , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: RAID solutions? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:15:28 EST." <3.0.5.32.19981217221528.009cb980@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:42:48 -0500 Message-ID: <68920.913984968@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Swartzendruber wrote in message ID <3.0.5.32.19981217221528.009cb980@mail.kersur.net>: > Mirroring sucks for this, no? Twice the space, and you still have to do an > extra write, don't you? I know it can be faster when reading (I work at a > company that does fault-tolerant TP systems, so we have to deal with these > issues...) I'm no expert on this, but my understanding is as follows (for normal mode ... degraded mode is something else entirely) For systems with sequential writes, random reads (e.g. CNFS): RAID5 is not a bad choice. The parity block is normally in cache, so there is only on extra write. The read operation incurs 0 overhead. There is no penalty on an unclean shutdown. Operation under degraded mode depends if you have a hot spare immediately available for the parity rebuild or you have to replace the disk first. The parity rebuild is normally expensive. RAID 0+1 (or 1+0) (depending *very* much on how the mirror is written), then you can see a performance gain, as the reads can be interleaved between the two plexes in the mirror set. Performance will very much depend on if you are a read-mostly (e.g. news) or write-mostly (e.g. logs) scenario, and how effecient your software is. Recovery can be a pain. Veritas Volume Manager, if you don't have something called a DRL (Dirty Region Log) will re-sync the entire plex after an unclean shutdown. (Of course, hardware solutions don't suffer from the rebuild penalty, in theory, thanks to the battery backed cache). On systems at work this takes over an hour (even for relatively ``small'' plexes of 18gigs), and during this time disk performance is really degraded. For systems with random reads, random writes (e.g. Oracle) RAID5 is a BAD BAD choice. There is a very good chance that the parity block that needs to be updated is not in cache, so it incurs a read and a write (minimum). This tends to thrash the cache (especially on hardware controllers, even if they're designed for RAID5), and can degrade performance even more than you'd think at first. On the other hand, RAID 0+1 is a relatively safe choice for this application. With the addition of a DRL (or some similar feature, for software RAID anyhow), recovery time is small (a few minutes at most). If the software is intelligent, it can also optimize disk I/O by interleaving reads and writes to the plexes, so your read can go to one plex, while a write is happening to another plex in the mirror. Now the usual caveats: I've not had a chance to look at Vinum, so the only experience I have is CCD (last looked at over a year ago), VxVM and the high-end Symbios (now LSI) SCSI2SCSI RAID controllers (both under Solaris). Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 06:15:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12662 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:15:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12657 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:15:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id JAA01705 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA13567 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:18:46 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199812181418.JAA13567@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: <367A0AFC.49D5@realtime.net> from George Wenzel at "Dec 18, 98 01:57:48 am" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:18:46 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org George Wenzel recently said: > I'm confident the world will never run out of ip addresses. When > we think we are out, we will learn to multiply. It is really a > simple engineering problem. And at one time no one could see that anyone would ever use the entire 640K memory address space in a PC. The design of the IPv6 is intersting. The there will be enough IP's so that your toaster and coffee-pot each have their own :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 07:34:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20806 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:34:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from salmon.hei.net (salmon.hei.net [209.222.163.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20800 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:34:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@salmon.hei.net) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by salmon.hei.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21536; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:34:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: "John A. Hengstler" To: George Wenzel cc: Troy Settle , "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: <367A0AFC.49D5@realtime.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here Here! John Hengstler On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, George Wenzel wrote: > Troy Settle wrote: > > > > If you want to talk about inefficient use of IP space, look at the people > > who still hold their Class-{A,B,C} networks. Having this portable space > > is insane, especially when a university has 2 Class-B networks, and then > > subnets it out so that a lab with 24 workstations has a full /24. > > > > A Class-A has >16 million addresses. Can anyone on this list suggest any > > organization that can make _efficient_ use of it? No? Didn't think so. > > > I have several corporate customers with B's. Most of them got the > addresses > well before connecting to the Internet. These are medium to small > firms. > I've got huge clients existing on much less. > > There is a LOT of space that needs to be harvested from inefficient > allocation. ISP's need to be the leaders of efficiency. If we were to > do our job correctly, those inefficient allocations should be able to > be eliminated in a painless manner... no one should have to renumber. > NAT has it's flaws, but sooner or later we will all be using it. ISP's > should be able to maintain their own address space consisting of as many > full address spaces as they feel like translating. Part of what we need > is better central site software and systems, but that is coming. > > I'm confident the world will never run out of ip addresses. When we > think > we are out, we will learn to multiply. It is really a simple > engineering > problem. > > There are no limits except those in our heads. > > George > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 10:09:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07612 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:09:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from easeway.com (ns1.easeway.com [209.69.71.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07607 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:09:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@easeway.com) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by easeway.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA15724 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:51:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812181751.MAA15724@easeway.com> Subject: livingston radius startup question To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:51:16 -0500 (EST) From: mwlucas@exceptionet.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm attempting to upgrade a radius server from the merit radius to Livingston 2.0.1. The build went OK, per instructions from this lists' archive. However, when I run builddbm, it only generates a users.db file, rather than the users.pag and users.dir. If I run radiusd with only the users.db, all authentication requests fail with "unknown user". Is this a problem with the FreeBSD hack on Livingston Radius, or is this a general Radius issue? How can I fix this? Thanks, ==ml -- Michael Lucas | Exceptionet, Inc. | www.exceptionet.com "Exceptional Networking" | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 10:32:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10769 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:32:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail5.realtime.net (mail5.realtime.net [205.238.128.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10764 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:32:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gee2@realtime.net) Received: from pit ([205.238.164.35]) by mail5.realtime.net ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:32:30 -600 Message-ID: <367A9FF4.5D0E@realtime.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:33:24 -0600 From: George Wenzel Reply-To: gee2@realtime.net Organization: Real/Time Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Vermillion CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Aliased IPs References: <199812181418.JAA13567@bilver.magicnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Vermillion wrote: > > George Wenzel recently said: > > > I'm confident the world will never run out of ip addresses. When > > we think we are out, we will learn to multiply. It is really a > > simple engineering problem. > > And at one time no one could see that anyone would ever use the > entire 640K memory address space in a PC. > > The design of the IPv6 is intersting. The there will be enough > IP's so that your toaster and coffee-pot each have their own :-) With working NAT, I can give my toaster a class A... an ip address for every crumb (dynamically reassigned after cleaning the toaster, of course). With working NAT, the IPv4 world could be quite large. If you are saying NAT will never work, that is a different issue. George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 13:31:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04235 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:31:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04230 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:31:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ratbert@phoenix.aye.net) Received: (qmail 918 invoked by uid 2800); 18 Dec 1998 21:28:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Dec 1998 21:28:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:28:45 -0500 (EST) From: Barrett Richardson To: Andrew McNaughton cc: Marcos Viterbo , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CGI problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Andrew McNaughton wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Marcos Viterbo wrote: > > > Greetings. > > > > I am facing some problems with CGIs (freebsd_2.2.6 + apache_1.3.0). When the > > system reaches about 55 apache instances the CGIs won't execute anymore and > > returns a 500 error. I recompiled the kernel and libc altring > > FD_SETSIZE=1024, maxusers=256, open_max, max_proc (child_max) in the kernel > > and login.conf, maxconn to 256, nmbclusters=8192, recompiled apache with a > > higher maxclients. The system has 128 MB RAM (it never goes beyond 50MB). > > It happens only with external CGIs (PHP3 supports as many instances as the > > apache is configured to). > > Sounds familiar. I had problems first with number of processes and then > with number of file handles. > > It's not your system wide resources that are limited, but your per-process > limits. If you set up a CGI like this you'll see it: > > #!/bin/sh > echo Content-type: text/html > echo > limits > > My solution was to put some ulimit statements near the head of apachectl. > > Andrew McNaughton > I was able resolve similar issues by raising some parameters in login.conf. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 14:38:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11746 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:38:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11741 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:38:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA18287; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:07:35 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA23775; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:07:33 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981219090733.D486@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:07:33 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: patton@sysnet.net, dswartz@druber.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID solutions? References: <19981218185636.Z486@freebie.lemis.com> <7947.913979180@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <7947.913979180@verdi.nethelp.no>; from sthaug@nethelp.no on Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 12:06:20PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 18 December 1998 at 12:06:20 +0100, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: >>> ... and the FreeBSD ccd mirroring does *not* balance the reads. It always >>> reads from the first disk in a mirror. >> >> Correct. But that's about the only package that does. Use vinum >> instead; it's much more advanced. > > We haven't really looked at vinum because we've gotten the impression > that it's not quite ready for prime time yet. This is very much a matter of opinion. Yes, Vinum will continue to develop for a while. On the other hand, by my standards ccd isn't ready for prime time either. > If you think it can offer stability and write performance similar to > ccd, Well, I hope the stability is better. But write performance is pretty much the same for a configuration similar to those supported by ccd > *and* better performance > on reads (for a mirrored file system), Definitely. > it's definitely something we should consider. Indeed. You should get the latest version from -stable, though. Greg - See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 14:44:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12713 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:44:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (p55-max6.wlg.ihug.co.nz [209.78.48.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12702 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:44:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09290; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:42:59 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:42:58 +1300 (NZDT) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Barrett Richardson cc: Marcos Viterbo , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CGI problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Barrett Richardson wrote: > On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Andrew McNaughton wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Marcos Viterbo wrote: > > > > > Greetings. > > > > > > I am facing some problems with CGIs (freebsd_2.2.6 + apache_1.3.0). When the > > > system reaches about 55 apache instances the CGIs won't execute anymore and > > > returns a 500 error. I recompiled the kernel and libc altring > > > FD_SETSIZE=1024, maxusers=256, open_max, max_proc (child_max) in the kernel > > > and login.conf, maxconn to 256, nmbclusters=8192, recompiled apache with a > > > higher maxclients. The system has 128 MB RAM (it never goes beyond 50MB). > > > It happens only with external CGIs (PHP3 supports as many instances as the > > > apache is configured to). > > > > Sounds familiar. I had problems first with number of processes and then > > with number of file handles. > > > > It's not your system wide resources that are limited, but your per-process > > limits. If you set up a CGI like this you'll see it: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > echo Content-type: text/html > > echo > > limits > > > > My solution was to put some ulimit statements near the head of apachectl. > > > > Andrew McNaughton > > > > I was able resolve similar issues by raising some parameters in > login.conf. This has a more general effect which might or might not be good. For instance it means that cron jobs run as the user will still fork OK when there are a lot of httpd's and cgi's going. I've raised the login.conf limits a bit, but by specifying stuff per process I can give some priority to what fails first. eg log analysis fails before our cgi based publishing engine. Andrew McNaughton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 14:54:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14115 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:54:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14063 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:54:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA18344; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:21:30 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA23820; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:21:26 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981219092126.G486@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:21:26 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: xiyuan , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: All network ports in use. References: <202204290344.LAA02333@unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <202204290344.LAA02333@unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn>; from xiyuan on Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 11:44:07AM +0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 11:44:07 +0800, xiyuan wrote: > > Hi, I just encounted with a problem. > > When I telnet to my server(SCO Unix), the server told me: telnetd: All network > ports in use. > > Why? What part of "All network ports in use" don't you understand? All the network ports are in use. To make it quite clear, this is on the SCO side. I can't recall the SCO parameters offhand; they're hidden somewhere in /etc/cf.d/conf. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 15:33:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19387 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:33:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.seidata.com (ns1.seidata.com [208.10.211.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19376 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:33:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@seidata.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by ns1.seidata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24050 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:33:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:33:10 -0500 (EST) From: Administrator To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RAID 5 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm wanting to setup a centralized Raid 5 disk array... I would like to use something along the lines of the Mylex 960SXI. I'm new to RAID setups as a whole, so I need some info as to what parts are needed, what goes where, etc. Has anyone configured a system with the 960SXI that would be willing to give me some detailed info on installation, etc.? It would be much appreciated. I would like to have a 960SXI (or better, per reccomendation) with a single drive array (7 drives, for now). I'm obviously going to need the drive chassis, drives, cabling, and Mylex controller... but would appreciate more specifics as well as cautions/warnings. Thanks in advance, -Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 16:17:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26505 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:17:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.eaznet.com (amber.eaznet.com [216.19.20.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26486 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:17:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (admin.eaznet.com [216.19.20.16]) by amber.eaznet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01233; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:20:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <367AEE9F.16FA1555@eaznet.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:09:03 -0700 From: Eddie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Administrator CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID 5 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To the best of my knowledge, Mylex controllers are not supported, only DPT. The first thing I'd do is check out DPT's web site. They also have a knowledgable tech support staff. You might want to send them an e-mail to see what they suggest. Eddie Administrator wrote: > Hello, > > I'm wanting to setup a centralized Raid 5 disk array... I would like to > use something along the lines of the Mylex 960SXI. > > I'm new to RAID setups as a whole, so I need some info as to what parts > are needed, what goes where, etc. > > Has anyone configured a system with the 960SXI that would be willing to > give me some detailed info on installation, etc.? It would be much > appreciated. > > I would like to have a 960SXI (or better, per reccomendation) with a > single drive array (7 drives, for now). I'm obviously going to need the > drive chassis, drives, cabling, and Mylex controller... but would > appreciate more specifics as well as cautions/warnings. > > Thanks in advance, > > -Mike > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Eddie Fry EAZNet Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 16:22:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27145 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:22:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.eaznet.com (amber.eaznet.com [216.19.20.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27139 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:22:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (admin.eaznet.com [216.19.20.16]) by amber.eaznet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01300; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:25:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <367AEFC0.672E9E9F@eaznet.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:13:52 -0700 From: Eddie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mwlucas@exceptionet.com CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: livingston radius startup question References: <199812181751.MAA15724@easeway.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Livingston Radius uses a "users" file and a clients file. Make sure the secrets are properly set in the clients file, and you have a proper entry in the users file for authentication. Eddie mwlucas@exceptionet.com wrote: > Hello, > > I'm attempting to upgrade a radius server from the merit radius to > Livingston 2.0.1. The build went OK, per instructions from this lists' > archive. However, when I run builddbm, it only generates a users.db file, > rather than the users.pag and users.dir. > > If I run radiusd with only the users.db, all authentication requests fail > with "unknown user". > > Is this a problem with the FreeBSD hack on Livingston Radius, or is this a > general Radius issue? How can I fix this? > > Thanks, > ==ml > > -- > Michael Lucas | > Exceptionet, Inc. | www.exceptionet.com > "Exceptional Networking" | > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Eddie Fry EAZNet Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 17:00:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01114 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01100 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:00:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA01515; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:59:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Message-ID: <19981218165918.A17687@TelcoSucks.org> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:59:18 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Eddie , Administrator Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID 5 Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <367AEE9F.16FA1555@eaznet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <367AEE9F.16FA1555@eaznet.com>; from Eddie on Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 05:09:03PM -0700 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-19980930-BETA Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 05:09:03PM -0700, Eddie wrote: > To the best of my knowledge, Mylex controllers are not supported, only DPT. > The first thing I'd do is check out DPT's web site. They also have a > knowledgable tech support staff. You might want to send them an e-mail to > see what they suggest. He is talking about the Mylex 960XSI, whcih are SCSI-2-SCSI and are supported fine, as they present itself as one disk. > > Eddie > > Administrator wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm wanting to setup a centralized Raid 5 disk array... I would like to > > use something along the lines of the Mylex 960SXI. > > > > I'm new to RAID setups as a whole, so I need some info as to what parts > > are needed, what goes where, etc. > > > > Has anyone configured a system with the 960SXI that would be willing to > > give me some detailed info on installation, etc.? It would be much > > appreciated. > > > > I would like to have a 960SXI (or better, per reccomendation) with a > > single drive array (7 drives, for now). I'm obviously going to need the > > drive chassis, drives, cabling, and Mylex controller... but would > > appreciate more specifics as well as cautions/warnings. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > -Mike > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > -- > Eddie Fry > EAZNet Internet Services > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 17:03:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01583 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:03:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01576 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:03:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA18701; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:33:30 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA24022; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:33:29 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981219113329.P486@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:33:29 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Eddie , Administrator Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID 5 References: <367AEE9F.16FA1555@eaznet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <367AEE9F.16FA1555@eaznet.com>; from Eddie on Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 05:09:03PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Format recovered at freebie.lemis.com] On Friday, 18 December 1998 at 17:09:03 -0700, Eddie wrote: > Administrator wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm wanting to setup a centralized Raid 5 disk array... I would like to >> use something along the lines of the Mylex 960SXI. >> >> I'm new to RAID setups as a whole, so I need some info as to what parts >> are needed, what goes where, etc. >> >> Has anyone configured a system with the 960SXI that would be willing to >> give me some detailed info on installation, etc.? It would be much >> appreciated. >> >> I would like to have a 960SXI (or better, per reccomendation) with a >> single drive array (7 drives, for now). I'm obviously going to need the >> drive chassis, drives, cabling, and Mylex controller... but would >> appreciate more specifics as well as cautions/warnings. >> > To the best of my knowledge, Mylex controllers are not supported, only DPT. > The first thing I'd do is check out DPT's web site. They also have a > knowledgable tech support staff. You might want to send them an e-mail to > see what they suggest. Check out http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~md/ida/, which describes a Compaq RAID controller which has apparently been working for years without anybody finding out about it. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 17:41:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05358 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:41:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from easeway.com (ns1.easeway.com [209.69.71.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05353 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:41:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@easeway.com) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by easeway.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA16599; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:22:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812190122.UAA16599@easeway.com> Subject: Re: livingston radius startup question In-Reply-To: <367AEFC0.672E9E9F@eaznet.com> from Eddie at "Dec 18, 98 05:13:52 pm" To: eddie@eaznet.com (Eddie) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:22:15 -0500 (EST) Cc: mwlucas@exceptionet.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: mwlucas@exceptionet.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have both of those. The users file works fine under an older Radius. I'm trying to use builddbm, though. ==ml > Livingston Radius uses a "users" file and a clients file. Make sure the > secrets are properly set in the clients file, and you have a proper entry in > the users file for authentication. > > Eddie > > mwlucas@exceptionet.com wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm attempting to upgrade a radius server from the merit radius to > > Livingston 2.0.1. The build went OK, per instructions from this lists' > > archive. However, when I run builddbm, it only generates a users.db file, > > rather than the users.pag and users.dir. > > > > If I run radiusd with only the users.db, all authentication requests fail > > with "unknown user". > > > > Is this a problem with the FreeBSD hack on Livingston Radius, or is this a > > general Radius issue? How can I fix this? > > > > Thanks, > > ==ml > > > > -- > > Michael Lucas | > > Exceptionet, Inc. | www.exceptionet.com > > "Exceptional Networking" | > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > -- > Eddie Fry > EAZNet Internet Services > > > -- Michael Lucas | Exceptionet, Inc. | www.exceptionet.com "Exceptional Networking" | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 18:29:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09648 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:29:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [156.46.203.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09641 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:29:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from admin (admin.westbend.net [156.46.203.13]) by mail.westbend.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA17770; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:29:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <004f01be2af7$64453b20$0dcb2e9c@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: Cc: References: <199812181751.MAA15724@easeway.com> Subject: Re: livingston radius startup question Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:29:22 -0600 Organization: West Bend Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.1012.1001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.1012.1001 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: > I'm attempting to upgrade a radius server from the merit radius to > Livingston 2.0.1. The build went OK, per instructions from this lists' > archive. However, when I run builddbm, it only generates a users.db file, > rather than the users.pag and users.dir. > > If I run radiusd with only the users.db, all authentication requests fail > with "unknown user". > Are you using "./radiusd -b"? > Is this a problem with the FreeBSD hack on Livingston Radius, or is this a > general Radius issue? How can I fix this? > Check out: http://www.livingston.com/tech/docs/radius/UserInfo.fm.html and do a search for builddbm on the page. Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 19 11:34:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09019 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from manor.msen.com (manor.msen.com [148.59.4.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09010 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:34:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wayne@staff.msen.com) Received: (from wayne@localhost) by manor.msen.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07053 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:34:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wayne) Message-ID: <19981219143429.A7038@msen.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:34:29 -0500 From: "Michael R. Wayne" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID 5 References: <367AEE9F.16FA1555@eaznet.com> <19981219113329.P486@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <19981219113329.P486@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Sat, Dec 19, 1998 at 11:33:29AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Dec 19, 1998 at 11:33:29AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Check out http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~md/ida/, which describes a Compaq > RAID controller which has apparently been working for years without > anybody finding out about it. Is there something preventing this work from being merged into -current? /\/\ \/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message