From owner-freebsd-mozilla Mon Jun 29 09:48:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19165 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from io.uwinnipeg.ca (rurrea@io.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.1.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19095 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rurrea@UWinnipeg.ca) Received: from localhost (rurrea@localhost) by io.uwinnipeg.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA07007; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:47:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:47:50 -0500 (CDT) From: roberto urrea To: "Anthony C. Chavez" cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: please put my name on your list In-Reply-To: <87ogw3ky3u.fsf@magus.users.xmission.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG intermediate-level C programmer _________________________________________________________________________ Roberto Urrea rurrea@uwinnipeg.ca Technical Support Services University of Winnipeg 515 Portage Avenue Winnipeg, Manitoba, R3B 2E9 CANADA Tel:(204)786-9830 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 8 Jun 1998, Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > Joe Abley writes: > > > Is it worth doing a kind of "hands-up" on who is actually subscribed to > > this list _and_ interested in hacking the source? > > > > I'm keen to get my hands dirty - but there seems hardly any point doing > > anything on my own if other people are already checking source in and out > > on a regular basis. If there is nothing coordinated going on, and other > > people are interested, could we get something started? > > What a great idea. :-) All right, hands up who wants to get busy coding? > > > I'm definitely interested in putting some effort into the project. I'm an > intermediate-level C programmer who is just *aching* to get a real test of his > abilities. > > I believe in "deeds, not words," so I will appoint myself the following duty > unless anyone objects. > > I will start taking the names and corresponding e-mail addresses down for those > interested in putting work into the project. If you want your name and e-mail > put on the list, compose a message to the *mailing list*, not me directly. And > do it now, not tomorrow. Everybody should know everyone else (or at least have > a good idea of the numbers). > > A couple of questions: > > (1) Does anyone know if a certain individual is in charge of the Mozilla > project web page at http://www.FreeBSD.org/mozilla.html? > (2) If not, does anyone know how we are supposed to submit pages to the web > site? > (3) Who is currently working on the project? SPEAK UP! > > I would suggest that we start immediately on a web page for the project, > placing on it the list of names that I collect as a start. I would gladly > volunteer for this responsibility as well, if nobody objects. Eventually, > with college a (very) large factor, I won't be able to moderate the web page on > my own, so I'll need volunteers for assistance. > > We need to assimilate and start work (together) on the following items: > > (1) An agenda. Basically a list of needs, wants, and parallels to > mozilla.org's wish-list. Eventually this should tie in with the name > list to show appointed responsibilities. > (2) An advocacy group if necessary. This group would go around to various > FreeBSD newsgroups, mailing lists, IRC channels, etc. to find > *seriously* interested parties who would like to contribute. Once the > name list levels off and we have a clear idea of who (so far) is > interested, this group should be assembled and deployed. > (3) A FAQ. It's not too early to start work on a FAQ that we can place on > the web page and maintain as time goes by. > > It's a bit late here and I'm getting sleepy, so if anyone else has any other > ideas, feel free to contribute! Let's not let this project die a miserable, > flaming death! > > -- > Anthony Chavez > > Ph'nglui mglw'nafh "BOB" D'lyeh Wgah'nagl Dhobbz f'htagn. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Jul 3 19:54:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28693 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:54:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magus.users.xmission.com (magus.users.xmission.com [207.135.128.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28681 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:54:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from magus@xmission.com) Received: (from magus@localhost) by magus.users.xmission.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23778; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from magus) To: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: please put my name on your list References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: magus@xmission.com (Anthony C. Chavez) Date: 03 Jul 1998 20:54:12 -0600 In-Reply-To: roberto urrea's message of "Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:47:50 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: <87emw2xr56.fsf@magus.users.xmission.com> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "ru" == roberto urrea writes: ru> intermediate-level C programmer This was the first and only submission to the list, so I won't be adding it unless things change. Apparently (and quite sadly), there is no interest in coding Mozilla for FreeBSD. Please, correct me if I am wrong. -- ``You do what you do 'cause you WANT to. I do what I do 'cause ``BOB'' TOLD ME TO.'' -- Mantrium of the Hypercleats, from his first band, GENERATION OF DEGENERATES To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Jul 3 20:25:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01801 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:25:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from norquay.cal.shaw.wave.ca (norquay.cal.shaw.wave.ca [139.142.2.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01796 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:25:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from timp@orion.ab.ca) Received: from dedalus ([24.64.65.248]) by norquay.cal.shaw.wave.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA3606 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:22:44 -0600 From: "Tim Pushor" To: Subject: RE: please put my name on your list Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:24:42 -0600 Message-ID: <000401bda6fb$48c7d5e0$9801a8c0@dedalus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <87emw2xr56.fsf@magus.users.xmission.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It isn't sad for me.. FreeBSD is an exceptional server platform because of its stability and performance. People are running Linux predomenantly as a desktop UNIXish OS. I would rather see all development of Mozilla go to a *fantastic* Linux version and have FreeBSD programmers enhance the Linux compatibility. This way we have access to *all* Linux software if we choose to run FreeBSD as a desktop OS. Lets face it, very few commercial apps will come out for FreeBSD, but we are already seeing them come out for Linux. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Anthony C. Chavez > Sent: Friday, July 03, 1998 8:54 PM > To: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: please put my name on your list > > > >>>>> "ru" == roberto urrea writes: > > ru> intermediate-level C programmer > > This was the first and only submission to the list, so I won't be > adding it > unless things change. Apparently (and quite sadly), there is no > interest in > coding Mozilla for FreeBSD. Please, correct me if I am wrong. > > -- > ``You do what you do 'cause you WANT to. I do what I do 'cause > ``BOB'' TOLD ME > TO.'' > -- Mantrium of the Hypercleats, from his first band, GENERATION OF > DEGENERATES > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Jul 3 21:03:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05889 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05884 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:03:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with SMTP id VAA05719; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:03:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Tim Pushor cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: please put my name on your list In-Reply-To: <000401bda6fb$48c7d5e0$9801a8c0@dedalus> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, this is wrong list for this but: NO! FreeBSD is just starting to grow. We are picking up momentum. How do I know? I my humanities class last semester three other people knew what freebsd was and they weren't CS major. I don't mind helping Linux if it is Linux vs MS thing. But I will not promote Linux if it hurts FreeBSD. I do believe in promoting Linux ONLY BECAUSE is is part of free software and free software movement is something I belive in. But FreeBSD is also part of it and I like BSD more then Linux (personally). That is all. There are a lot of commercial apps for FreeBSD. AccelX, Netscape (they had one before they release the source), Blender, this list can go on. The point is, if we give up, the we won't see ANY apps. We have to keep bugging vendors until THEY give up. We can't stop. Especially not now when we are picking up speed and mass as an OS. -- Yan Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I don't want www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." ---------------------------------------+----------------------------------- ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you. On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Tim Pushor wrote: >It isn't sad for me.. > >FreeBSD is an exceptional server platform because of its stability and >performance. People are running Linux predomenantly as a desktop UNIXish OS. >I would rather see all development of Mozilla go to a *fantastic* Linux >version and have FreeBSD programmers enhance the Linux compatibility. This >way we have access to *all* Linux software if we choose to run FreeBSD as a >desktop OS. Lets face it, very few commercial apps will come out for >FreeBSD, but we are already seeing them come out for Linux. > >Tim > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Anthony C. Chavez >> Sent: Friday, July 03, 1998 8:54 PM >> To: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG >> Subject: Re: please put my name on your list >> >> >> >>>>> "ru" == roberto urrea writes: >> >> ru> intermediate-level C programmer >> >> This was the first and only submission to the list, so I won't be >> adding it >> unless things change. Apparently (and quite sadly), there is no >> interest in >> coding Mozilla for FreeBSD. Please, correct me if I am wrong. >> >> -- >> ``You do what you do 'cause you WANT to. I do what I do 'cause >> ``BOB'' TOLD ME >> TO.'' >> -- Mantrium of the Hypercleats, from his first band, GENERATION OF >> DEGENERATES >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Jul 3 21:41:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09485 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from norquay.cal.shaw.wave.ca (norquay.cal.shaw.wave.ca [139.142.2.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09476 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:41:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from timp@orion.ab.ca) Received: from dedalus ([24.64.65.248]) by norquay.cal.shaw.wave.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA2860 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:38:36 -0600 From: "Tim Pushor" To: Subject: RE: please put my name on your list Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:40:34 -0600 Message-ID: <000501bda705$e20e3960$9801a8c0@dedalus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG While this may not be directly on topic, it is definately relevant. I would much rather see people who develop for FreeBSD continue developing software that make it a great server. I'm not sure if the lack of interest is because of certain things that were said by Netscape corp (I hope not!) about their commitment to Linux, or because other people feel the same way I do. I run BSD boxes as servers and enjoy uptime measured in months and years. Features are being added all the time which contribute to its exceptional application as a server OS. You are right, Netscape had a BSD version, but I know it was sooo bad that I ran the Linux version under the emulator and was way better (they also offered native domestic security version for Linux). Linux should not be pitted against FreeBSD as they both have their advantages and disadvantages and if we can run the apps we want why waste time on pointless religious battles? Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan B. Koum [mailto:jkb@best.com] > Sent: Friday, July 03, 1998 10:04 PM > To: Tim Pushor > Cc: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: please put my name on your list > > > > Well, this is wrong list for this but: > NO! FreeBSD is just starting to grow. We are picking up momentum. > How do I know? I my humanities class last semester three other people knew > what freebsd was and they weren't CS major. I don't mind helping Linux if > it is Linux vs MS thing. But I will not promote Linux if it hurts FreeBSD. > I do believe in promoting Linux ONLY BECAUSE is is part of free software > and free software movement is something I belive in. But FreeBSD is also > part of it and I like BSD more then Linux (personally). That is all. > There are a lot of commercial apps for FreeBSD. AccelX, Netscape > (they had one before they release the source), Blender, this list can go > on. The point is, if we give up, the we won't see ANY apps. We have to > keep bugging vendors until THEY give up. We can't stop. Especially not now > when we are picking up speed and mass as an OS. > > -- Yan > > Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I > don't want > www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." > ---------------------------------------+-------------------------- > --------- > ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they > catch you. > > On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Tim Pushor wrote: > > >It isn't sad for me.. > > > >FreeBSD is an exceptional server platform because of its stability and > >performance. People are running Linux predomenantly as a desktop > UNIXish OS. > >I would rather see all development of Mozilla go to a *fantastic* Linux > >version and have FreeBSD programmers enhance the Linux > compatibility. This > >way we have access to *all* Linux software if we choose to run > FreeBSD as a > >desktop OS. Lets face it, very few commercial apps will come out for > >FreeBSD, but we are already seeing them come out for Linux. > > > >Tim > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG > >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Anthony > C. Chavez > >> Sent: Friday, July 03, 1998 8:54 PM > >> To: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG > >> Subject: Re: please put my name on your list > >> > >> > >> >>>>> "ru" == roberto urrea writes: > >> > >> ru> intermediate-level C programmer > >> > >> This was the first and only submission to the list, so I won't be > >> adding it > >> unless things change. Apparently (and quite sadly), there is no > >> interest in > >> coding Mozilla for FreeBSD. Please, correct me if I am wrong. > >> > >> -- > >> ``You do what you do 'cause you WANT to. I do what I do 'cause > >> ``BOB'' TOLD ME > >> TO.'' > >> -- Mantrium of the Hypercleats, from his first band, GENERATION OF > >> DEGENERATES > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message > >> > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Sat Jul 4 02:24:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05404 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 02:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05298 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 02:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12330; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 02:22:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Jan B. Koum " cc: Tim Pushor , freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: please put my name on your list In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Jul 1998 21:03:45 PDT." Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 02:22:35 -0700 Message-ID: <12326.899544155@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, this is wrong list for this but: > NO! FreeBSD is just starting to grow. We are picking up momentum. Guys. This is all moot. Nobody is working on mozilla right now for the simple reason that nobody is working on it. If you guys want to change that, start working on it. Organize yourselves, decide what needs to be done, find out what the other mozilla groups are doing already, and then do your part (whatever you decide that should be). All the whining and moaning in the world won't improve a thing and the real reason that people are probably ignoring mozilla is the fact that the Netscape binaries already available work far better than mozilla currently does and the impetus for doing this simply because we can just doesn't seem to be there. People have a working browser, they're reasonably happy with it, and absolutely nothing is going to change in the world of mozilla until/unless some seriously motivated (and skilled) hackers show up and start doing it as a labor of love or something. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message