From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Oct 11 21:55:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04618 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04601; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:55:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkulp@board66.cruzers.com) Received: from board66.cruzers.com (board66.cruzers.com [205.215.233.66]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26961; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dkulp@localhost) by board66.cruzers.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id VAA02154; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810120454.VAA02154@board66.cruzers.com> From: David Kulp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: rvplayer requires pcm for stable X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For the record, the linux rvplayer v5 only works if you have the pcm sound driver (instead of voxware) installed. I couldn't get rvplayer to work with voxware and a ktrace showed that it was failing on an ioctl SNDCTL_DSP_GETCAPS call. Donald Maddox found that this ioctl is missing from the voxware code in -stable, but is present in the pcm code. 3.0 does not have this problem. -d To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 00:41:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19767 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:41:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA19743; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id GAA19591; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:41:51 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199810120541.GAA19591@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable To: dkulp@neomorphic.com (David Kulp) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:41:50 +0100 (MET) Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810120454.VAA02154@board66.cruzers.com> from "David Kulp" at Oct 11, 98 09:54:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > For the record, the linux rvplayer v5 only works if you have the pcm > sound driver (instead of voxware) installed. > > I couldn't get rvplayer to work with voxware and a ktrace showed that > it was failing on an ioctl SNDCTL_DSP_GETCAPS call. Donald Maddox > found that this ioctl is missing from the voxware code in -stable, but > is present in the pcm code. 3.0 does not have this problem. the voxware driver is essentially unmaintained, unless we can find a volunteer (which i am not)... luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 01:26:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24776 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:26:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA24753; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:26:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([209.12.57.81]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA221; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:17:25 -0400 Received: (from dmaddox@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA01345; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:26:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dmaddox) Message-ID: <19981012042621.B1296@scsn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:26:21 -0400 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: Luigi Rizzo , David Kulp Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net References: <199810120454.VAA02154@board66.cruzers.com> <199810120541.GAA19591@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199810120541.GAA19591@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 06:41:50AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 06:41:50AM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > For the record, the linux rvplayer v5 only works if you have the pcm > > sound driver (instead of voxware) installed. > > > > I couldn't get rvplayer to work with voxware and a ktrace showed that > > it was failing on an ioctl SNDCTL_DSP_GETCAPS call. Donald Maddox > > found that this ioctl is missing from the voxware code in -stable, but > > is present in the pcm code. 3.0 does not have this problem. > > the voxware driver is essentially unmaintained, unless we can find a > volunteer (which i am not)... It may be 'unmaintained', but it works perfectly in -current, even for rvplayer, and it supports MIDI :-) I hope very much that some multimedia guru will pick up support of the Voxware driver, or add MIDI support to pcm... (I'm not a multimedia guru, before you suggest it :-) ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 06:38:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22311 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:38:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22306 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:38:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id PAA03966 for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:38:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19981012153806.A3939@cons.org> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:38:06 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DVD or CDROM under FreeBSD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm in need for a news CDROM drive and wonder if I shouold get a DVD instead. I'm not sure what the status of DVDs under FreeBSD is: Is tosha capable of reading audio data from DVD drives? Can DVDs read any media normal CD-Drives can in your experience? I'm also in need for good audio quality. Given the poor quality of most CDROM drives I wonder if DVDs maybe have better analog parts, given their higher price. My Yamaha burner has a much better analog part than my Teac CD, anyway :-) Thanks for comments. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 07:14:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27752 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:14:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27733; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:14:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from urdarbrunni.ifi.uio.no (2602@urdarbrunni.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.184]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id QAA28525; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:13:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by urdarbrunni.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:13:54 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dmaddox@scsn.net Cc: Luigi Rizzo , David Kulp , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable References: <199810120454.VAA02154@board66.cruzers.com> <199810120541.GAA19591@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <19981012042621.B1296@scsn.net> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 Oct 1998 16:13:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net's message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:26:21 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA27734 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) writes: > On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 06:41:50AM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > the voxware driver is essentially unmaintained, unless we can find a > > volunteer (which i am not)... > It may be 'unmaintained', but it works perfectly in -current, even for > rvplayer, and it supports MIDI :-) I hope very much that some multimedia > guru will pick up support of the Voxware driver, or add MIDI support to > pcm... (I'm not a multimedia guru, before you suggest it :-) ) IMHO the latter is the better choice. Luigi's pcm driver is much cleaner and thorougher than Voxware. I will not cry over Voxware when/if it's bobitted out of the tree. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 12:15:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16880 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:15:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16875 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:15:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03929; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:15:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Martin Cracauer cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DVD or CDROM under FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19981012153806.A3939@cons.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Martin Cracauer wrote: > I'm in need for a news CDROM drive and wonder if I shouold get a DVD > instead. DVD is not currently supported under FreeBSD, unless that drive has a CDROM emulation mode. Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 14:28:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19104 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:28:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19084; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:28:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([209.12.57.71]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA153; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:18:12 -0400 Received: (from dmaddox@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA01176; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:27:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dmaddox) Message-ID: <19981012172741.B1157@scsn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:27:41 -0400 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= Cc: Luigi Rizzo , David Kulp , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net References: <199810120454.VAA02154@board66.cruzers.com> <199810120541.GAA19591@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <19981012042621.B1296@scsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpbtnhvpem=2Efsf=40urdarbrunni=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_from_Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Mon=2C_Oct_12=2C_199?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?8_at_04:13:53PM_+0200?= Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 04:13:53PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) writes: > > On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 06:41:50AM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > the voxware driver is essentially unmaintained, unless we can find a > > > volunteer (which i am not)... > > It may be 'unmaintained', but it works perfectly in -current, even for > > rvplayer, and it supports MIDI :-) I hope very much that some multimedia > > guru will pick up support of the Voxware driver, or add MIDI support to > > pcm... (I'm not a multimedia guru, before you suggest it :-) ) > > IMHO the latter is the better choice. Luigi's pcm driver is much > cleaner and thorougher than Voxware. I will not cry over Voxware > when/if it's bobitted out of the tree. FWIW, I agree. The only reason I can think of to justify the continued existence of Voxware is the lack of MIDI support in pcm. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 14:33:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20129 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20112; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from dolgtvari.ifi.uio.no (2602@dolgtvari.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.8]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id XAA18756; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:32:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by dolgtvari.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:32:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dmaddox@scsn.net Cc: "Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=" , Luigi Rizzo , David Kulp , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable References: <199810120454.VAA02154@board66.cruzers.com> <199810120541.GAA19591@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <19981012042621.B1296@scsn.net> <19981012172741.B1157@scsn.net> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 Oct 1998 23:32:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net's message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:27:41 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA20113 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) writes: > On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 04:13:53PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > > dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) writes: > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 06:41:50AM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > the voxware driver is essentially unmaintained, unless we can find a > > > > volunteer (which i am not)... > > > It may be 'unmaintained', but it works perfectly in -current, even for > > > rvplayer, and it supports MIDI :-) I hope very much that some multimedia > > > guru will pick up support of the Voxware driver, or add MIDI support to > > > pcm... (I'm not a multimedia guru, before you suggest it :-) ) > > IMHO the latter is the better choice. Luigi's pcm driver is much > > cleaner and thorougher than Voxware. I will not cry over Voxware > > when/if it's bobitted out of the tree. > FWIW, I agree. The only reason I can think of to justify the continued > existence of Voxware is the lack of MIDI support in pcm. ...a situtation which will hopefully be remedied as soon as someone sits down and writes it. Did I hear you volunteer? ;) DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 15:15:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27228 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:15:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27207; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([209.12.57.71]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA160; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:06:02 -0400 Received: (from dmaddox@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA01474; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:15:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dmaddox) Message-ID: <19981012181529.H1157@scsn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:15:29 -0400 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= Cc: Luigi Rizzo , David Kulp , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net References: <199810120454.VAA02154@board66.cruzers.com> <199810120541.GAA19591@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <19981012042621.B1296@scsn.net> <19981012172741.B1157@scsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpu319lb43=2Efsf=40dolgtvari=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_f?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?rom_Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Mon=2C_Oct_12=2C_1998_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?at_11:32:44PM_+0200?= Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 11:32:44PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) writes: > > On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 04:13:53PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > > > dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) writes: > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 06:41:50AM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > > the voxware driver is essentially unmaintained, unless we can find a > > > > > volunteer (which i am not)... > > > > It may be 'unmaintained', but it works perfectly in -current, even for > > > > rvplayer, and it supports MIDI :-) I hope very much that some multimedia > > > > guru will pick up support of the Voxware driver, or add MIDI support to > > > > pcm... (I'm not a multimedia guru, before you suggest it :-) ) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Did you read this part? :-) > > > IMHO the latter is the better choice. Luigi's pcm driver is much > > > cleaner and thorougher than Voxware. I will not cry over Voxware > > > when/if it's bobitted out of the tree. > > FWIW, I agree. The only reason I can think of to justify the continued > > existence of Voxware is the lack of MIDI support in pcm. > > ...a situtation which will hopefully be remedied as soon as someone > sits down and writes it. Did I hear you volunteer? ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 15:21:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28143 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (port22.prairietech.net [208.141.230.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28100; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:21:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id RAA23174; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:20:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:20:20 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: dmaddox@scsn.net Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable References: <199810120454.VAA02154@board66.cruzers.com> <199810120541.GAA19591@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <19981012042621.B1296@scsn.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13858.21742.765298.160250@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Donald J. Maddox on Mon, 12 October: : : It may be 'unmaintained', but it works perfectly in -current, even for : rvplayer, and it supports MIDI :-) It also supports synth. PCM does not support the synth interface. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 15:55:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03103 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:55:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03024; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:54:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([209.12.57.71]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA179; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:44:32 -0400 Received: (from dmaddox@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA01660; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:53:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dmaddox) Message-ID: <19981012185359.I1157@scsn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:53:59 -0400 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= Cc: Luigi Rizzo , David Kulp , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net References: <199810120454.VAA02154@board66.cruzers.com> <199810120541.GAA19591@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <19981012042621.B1296@scsn.net> <19981012172741.B1157@scsn.net> <19981012181529.H1157@scsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981012181529.H1157@scsn.net>; from Donald J. Maddox on Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 06:15:29PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 06:15:29PM -0400, Donald J. Maddox wrote: > On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 11:32:44PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > > dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) writes: > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 04:13:53PM +0200, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > > > > dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) writes: > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 06:41:50AM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > > > the voxware driver is essentially unmaintained, unless we can find a > > > > > > volunteer (which i am not)... > > > > > It may be 'unmaintained', but it works perfectly in -current, even for > > > > > rvplayer, and it supports MIDI :-) I hope very much that some multimedia > > > > > guru will pick up support of the Voxware driver, or add MIDI support to > > > > > pcm... (I'm not a multimedia guru, before you suggest it :-) ) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Did you read this part? :-) > > > > IMHO the latter is the better choice. Luigi's pcm driver is much > > > > cleaner and thorougher than Voxware. I will not cry over Voxware > > > > when/if it's bobitted out of the tree. > > > FWIW, I agree. The only reason I can think of to justify the continued > > > existence of Voxware is the lack of MIDI support in pcm. > > > > ...a situtation which will hopefully be remedied as soon as someone > > sits down and writes it. Did I hear you volunteer? ;) No. I don't use it. Voxware does everything my sound card knows how to do. I'll be using Voxware till it rots, I expect. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 19:10:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05038 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:10:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04972; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29888; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: dmaddox@scsn.net cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , Luigi Rizzo , David Kulp , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:53:59 EDT." <19981012185359.I1157@scsn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:09:25 -0700 Message-ID: <29884.908244565@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > No. I don't use it. Voxware does everything my sound card > knows how to do. I'll be using Voxware till it rots, I expect. Voxware has already rotted. Someday soon it will even be removed entirely and you will then have the choice between either putting it back in yourself and maintaining it separately or switching to the new one. - Jordan P.S. This isn't open to debate, before you suggest it. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 20:32:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16412 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:32:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (hsv1-177.airnet.net [207.242.81.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16398 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:32:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03622; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:30:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Message-ID: <3622C944.5A3EA956@airnet.net> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:30:12 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable References: <29884.908244565@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [redirected to -multimedia. No reason to spam] Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Voxware has already rotted. Someday soon it will even be removed > entirely and you will then have the choice between either putting it > back in yourself and maintaining it separately or switching to the new > one. Jordan, I'm going to second your statement. The Media Vision stuff is long gone, and I don't know enough about UN*X to fix it. May Voxware Rest In Pieces. -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 21:12:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21379 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21347; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11907; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3622D303.99B06819@gorean.org> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:11:47 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-1009 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable References: <29884.908244565@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > No. I don't use it. Voxware does everything my sound card > > knows how to do. I'll be using Voxware till it rots, I expect. > > Voxware has already rotted. Someday soon it will even be removed > entirely and you will then have the choice between either putting it > back in yourself and maintaining it separately or switching to the new > one. Dropping voxware before pcm does everything that voxware does would be a mistake. There are zillions of SB16 cards and clones out there. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** Go PADRES! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 21:15:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22140 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22129 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:15:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkulp@board66.cruzers.com) Received: from board66.cruzers.com (board66.cruzers.com [205.215.233.66]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13244 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dkulp@localhost) by board66.cruzers.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id VAA07618; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810130415.VAA07618@board66.cruzers.com> From: David Kulp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable In-Reply-To: <3622C944.5A3EA956@airnet.net> References: <29884.908244565@time.cdrom.com> <3622C944.5A3EA956@airnet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby writes: > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Voxware has already rotted. Someday soon it will even be removed > > entirely and you will then have the choice between either putting it > > back in yourself and maintaining it separately or switching to the new > > one. > > Jordan, I'm going to second your statement. The Media Vision stuff is > long gone, and I don't know enough about UN*X to fix it. May Voxware > Rest In Pieces. I'm a little naive on this. Will departing from voxware make it more difficult to port audio applications to FreeBSD? I know that the pcm audio includes the voxware ioctls plus others. And OSS presumably has a few that it has added. More than once I have seen FreeBSD advocates recommend that apps be ported to linux first and this is likely to be the common practice as linux continues to increase in popularity. If our audio drivers begin to diverge from others, is this a good thing? -d To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Oct 12 21:43:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26014 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:43:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gloria.cord.edu (gloria.cord.edu [138.129.254.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26009 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from twschulz@gloria.cord.edu) Received: from localhost (twschulz@localhost) by gloria.cord.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA23932; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:42:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:42:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Trenton Schulz To: Kris Kirby cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable In-Reply-To: <3622C944.5A3EA956@airnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doh, and I was just gonna ask, how well my Pro Audio Spectrum would work with the PCM driver... I'm assuming that it doesn't work at all. *Sigh* I guess when the actual drop occurs, I'll have to scrape together some money and get a new soundcard. Any intention of including PCI cards in the sound code? thanks, Trenton Schulz twschulz@cord.edu On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Kris Kirby wrote: > [redirected to -multimedia. No reason to spam] > > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Voxware has already rotted. Someday soon it will even be removed > > entirely and you will then have the choice between either putting it > > back in yourself and maintaining it separately or switching to the new > > one. > > Jordan, I'm going to second your statement. The Media Vision stuff is > long gone, and I don't know enough about UN*X to fix it. May Voxware > Rest In Pieces. > -- > Kris Kirby > UAH Mail UAH CS > Home WWW > ------------------------------------------- > TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 00:15:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12335 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:15:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA12249 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id GAA22400; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:15:34 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199810130515.GAA22400@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable To: dkulp@neomorphic.com (David Kulp) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:15:34 +0100 (MET) Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810130415.VAA07618@board66.cruzers.com> from "David Kulp" at Oct 12, 98 09:15:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm a little naive on this. Will departing from voxware make it more > difficult to port audio applications to FreeBSD? I know that the pcm > audio includes the voxware ioctls plus others. And OSS presumably has > a few that it has added. More than once I have seen FreeBSD advocates > recommend that apps be ported to linux first and this is likely to be > the common practice as linux continues to increase in popularity. If > our audio drivers begin to diverge from others, is this a good thing? we are not diverging, just restricting to a subset of functionalities covering a reasonable number of applications. There is compatibility on the main audio ioctls, and most serious (and not serious) applications do work fine. Some games do not work until someone has the time and interest to add the required ioctls. Some cards are not supported because of lack of documentation. People who want full support have three choices: * buy OSS; it's cheap. * contribute fixes. It isn't cheap. * loudly demand that someone else does the dirty work. It's pointless. No more from me on this topic. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 00:53:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16536 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (port17.prairietech.net [208.141.230.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16530; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:53:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id WAA07665; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:40:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:40:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: dmaddox@scsn.net, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, dkulp@neomorphic.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable References: <19981012185359.I1157@scsn.net> <29884.908244565@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13858.51681.494614.790182@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, 12 October: : Voxware has already rotted. Someday soon it will even be removed : entirely and you will then have the choice between either putting it : back in yourself and maintaining it separately or switching to the new : one. : : - Jordan : : P.S. This isn't open to debate, before you suggest it. :-) Perhaps not, but it is obviously open to flaming -- and quite appropriately, I think. Is it out of sheer spite? Should we get a volunteer to maintain a cvsup snd tree, so that all the fm synth and midi users can keep operating when this happens? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 01:03:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17767 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:03:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (port17.prairietech.net [208.141.230.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA17761 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:03:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id DAA08316; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:01:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:01:00 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Cc: dkulp@neomorphic.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable References: <199810130415.VAA07618@board66.cruzers.com> <199810130515.GAA22400@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13859.1435.550424.328251@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Luigi Rizzo on Tue, 13 October: : we are not diverging, just restricting to a subset of functionalities : covering a reasonable number of applications. There is compatibility : on the main audio ioctls, and most serious (and not serious) : applications do work fine. You can't do any "serious" electronic music without talking MIDI. That's the most "serious" audio-oriented application of a compute box that I can think of, myself. : People who want full support have three : choices: : : * buy OSS; it's cheap. : * contribute fixes. It isn't cheap. I'd just like to point out how absurd it is to contribute new code to do something the old code already does. People don't write code for fun, generally, but to solve a real problem. When a satisfactory solution exists, they generally make the wise choice not to duplicate. And why should I expect my contribution to be positively recieved? If existing working code is rejected in favor of non-functionality, then isn't any new working code which restores function likely to be similarly lopped? : * loudly demand that someone else does the dirty work. It's pointless. You neglect a fourth option * loudly demand that the existing *working* code not be removed. Whether or not it is pointless, absent some countervailing consideration which no one has seen fit to reveal to this point, it is the *right* thing to do. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 01:11:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18372 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18353; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:11:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from cs.strath.ac.uk (posh.dmem.strath.ac.uk [130.159.202.3]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00653 Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:09:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <36230A9D.4FCE563D@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:09:01 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde Uni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-980520-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dmaddox@scsn.net CC: "Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav" , Luigi Rizzo , David Kulp , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable References: <199810120454.VAA02154@board66.cruzers.com> <199810120541.GAA19591@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <19981012042621.B1296@scsn.net> <19981012172741.B1157@scsn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Donald wrote: > > > IMHO the latter is the better choice. Luigi's pcm driver is much > > cleaner and thorougher than Voxware. I will not cry over Voxware > > when/if it's bobitted out of the tree. > > FWIW, I agree. The only reason I can think of to justify the continued > existence of Voxware is the lack of MIDI support in pcm. Few other small things like the voxware code initialises the Audio Excel DSP 16 into sound blaster mode at run time. (Dos users run a utility to do this). I don't think Luigi's driver does, but that is easy enough to add. Perhaps more of a deal could be struck with OSS. They really do have sound cards all wrapped up, hence their $20 fee. Bye Roger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 01:21:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20146 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20141 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA26924 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:21:16 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA26352; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:21:15 +0800 Message-Id: <199810130821.QAA26352@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:01:00 EST." <13859.1435.550424.328251@avalon.east> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:21:15 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Discussion about how soon voxware should be removed] Note that us people who (ahem!) like to play quake type games would object to having voxware removed. Add to this the fact that the pcm driver still doesn't support my PAS-16, and I think you'll see why I'm reluctant to let it go. Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 01:22:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20311 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:22:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20306 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:22:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA17768; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:20:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: alk@pobox.com cc: dmaddox@scsn.net, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, dkulp@neomorphic.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:40:28 CDT." <13858.51681.494614.790182@avalon.east> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:20:30 -0700 Message-ID: <17763.908266830@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [-stable trimmed off; -multimedia is more than enough] > Perhaps not, but it is obviously open to flaming -- and quite > appropriately, I think. Is it out of sheer spite? Uh, yeah. That's it, spite. Perish the thought that it might be for engineering reasons, dropping support for a driver which has had no owner for some time and has been almost entirely supplanted by another driver. Yes, the new driver has has no midi and fm synth capabilities, but it's also never going to get those abilities if those who are really keen to have such features never add them to the new unified sound code, choosing instead to remain with an increasingly crufty legacy interface. > Should we get a volunteer to maintain a cvsup snd tree, so that > all the fm synth and midi users can keep operating when this happens? It strikes me that such volunteer effort would be better applied to simply bringing such features into the new driver if you're now talking about actual 3rd party involvement in this area, something which has been rather extremely lacking in response to previous public requests of this nature. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 05:55:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19624 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:55:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rfc.comm.harris.com (adm01.rfc.comm.harris.com [147.177.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19619 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:55:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bad2@rfc.comm.harris.com) Received: (from bad2@localhost) by rfc.comm.harris.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA39426 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:55:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:55:03 -0400 From: Bernard A Doehner Message-Id: <199810131255.IAA39426@rfc.comm.harris.com> To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Millenium AGP and Fxtv (Hauppauge PCI). Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi: Are any of you succesffully running Millenium AGP card (which I understand is now somewhat? supported under X), and a TV capture board with fxtv? Is the throughput any better/worse than going to a PCI video card? Thanks. Bernie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 06:36:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24124 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24119 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:36:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05911; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:36:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA18493; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:36:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981013153616.31760@follo.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:36:16 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: flygt@sr.se, freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [gunnar@pluto.sr.se: Trying to compile bktr support] References: <19981010170729.A13753@sr.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19981010170729.A13753@sr.se>; from Gunnar Flygt on Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 05:07:29PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I made a compilation of the support for video chip bt848. After a while > the compiler complains about a missing .h file It's looking for: > > ../../pci/brooktree848.c:272: opt_bktr.h: No such file or directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 > > The file missing opt_bktr.h is nowhere in the source tree as far as I > can find. I even tried to compile with the file commented out. This > works fine (as far as compiling is concerned, but there is no > recognition of the TV card) Which version of source? This means that you're compiling brooktree848.c on something that hasn't got the brooktree options added to the conf/options - if this is a mismatch in the FreeBSD CVS repository, we have to fix it. If not, you just have to add some option to conf/options, pointing at opt_bktr.h - check out the cvs logs for src/sys/conf/options using CVSweb: http://www.freebsd.org/cg/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/conf/options The non-recognition of the TV card is a different issue - a dmesg from a boot -v would be useful for attempting to track this down. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 07:11:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27171 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27162 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:11:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from cs.strath.ac.uk (posh.dmem.strath.ac.uk [130.159.202.3]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17146 Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:11:00 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <36235F4A.56CC0306@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:10:18 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde Uni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-980520-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard A Doehner CC: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Millenium AGP and Fxtv (Hauppauge PCI). References: <199810131255.IAA39426@rfc.comm.harris.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernard A Doehner wrote: > > Are any of you succesffully running Millenium AGP card (which I understand > is now somewhat? supported under X), and a TV capture board with fxtv? > Well I run one FXTV with my AGP ATI Expert at Work card ok. > Is the throughput any better/worse than going to a PCI video card? It would be better on PCI as the Bt848 can do Bt848->VGA card direct DMA transfers, thus minimusing CPU overhead. However, this is only possible on XFree86. If you use Xaccel (which has no DGA support) or use an AGP card, FXTV has to get the bt848 to grab into main memory and then blit the image to the X window from there. In my BIOS there is an option to allow PCI to AGP direct transfers but I've not experimented with this (as I run Xaccel) bye roger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 07:53:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01343 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from trinity.radio-do.de (trinity.Radio-do.de [193.101.164.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01328 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:53:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fn@trinity.radio-do.de) Received: (from fn@localhost) by trinity.radio-do.de (8.9.1/8.8.5/RADIO-1.1) id QAA01491; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:52:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19981013165257.A1455@radio-do.de> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:52:57 +0200 From: Frank Nobis To: Bernard A Doehner , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Millenium AGP and Fxtv (Hauppauge PCI). References: <199810131255.IAA39426@rfc.comm.harris.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199810131255.IAA39426@rfc.comm.harris.com>; from Bernard A Doehner on Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 08:55:03AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 08:55:03AM -0400, Bernard A Doehner wrote: > Hi: > > Are any of you succesffully running Millenium AGP card (which I understand > is now somewhat? supported under X), and a TV capture board with fxtv? When I recently switched to an AGP board I pluged in a Matrox G200. Therefore I had to use the Xaccel Server. With full resolution fxtv this takes aprox. 25% of CPU, since the Xaccel has no DGA support, but that's not a big problem with SMP kernel. > > Is the throughput any better/worse than going to a PCI video card? Actually I have no way to do a real compare, but AGP should be the faster one. Regards Frank -- Frank Nobis Email: PGP AVAILABLE Landgrafenstr. 130 dg3dcn http://www.radio-do.de/~fn/ 44139 Dortmund Powered by SMP FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 12:28:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05540 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:28:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell3.ba.best.com (shell3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05535 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:28:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schrade@schrade.com) Received: from localhost (schrade@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shell3.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with ESMTP id MAA07406; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Krebs To: Luigi Rizzo cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable In-Reply-To: <199810130515.GAA22400@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: >Some games do not work until someone has the time and interest to >add the required ioctls. Some cards are not supported because of >lack of documentation. People who want full support have three >choices: > > * buy OSS; it's cheap. Sure, it's cheap but when it comes to replacing all that Voxware does, it's kinda wimpy. Take playing mp3s for example. I play mp3's almost constantly while I'm working. I have 4 virtual screens under X. When I run OSS and switch between the virtual screens or scroll in netscape or do anything that's intensive, the musicplaying drops out. This does not occur while using Voxware. I feel like I wasted $20.00 on OSS and have since switched to Voxware again in 3.0-current. I haven't tried OSS lately but I bet that still hasn't been fixed and besides, I hear it doesn't like 3.0-current anymore. > * contribute fixes. It isn't cheap. > * loudly demand that someone else does the dirty work. It's pointless. > > >No more from me on this topic. > > cheers > luigi IRC: Schrade E-Mail: schrade@schrade.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 14:12:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25458 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.scsn.net (scsn.net [206.25.246.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25433; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:12:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmaddox@scsn.net) Received: from rhiannon.scsn.net ([209.12.57.45]) by mail.scsn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with ESMTP id AAA192; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:03:16 -0400 Received: (from dmaddox@localhost) by rhiannon.scsn.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA01863; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:12:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dmaddox) Message-ID: <19981013171229.A1859@scsn.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:12:29 -0400 From: dmaddox@scsn.net (Donald J. Maddox) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , Luigi Rizzo , David Kulp , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable Reply-To: dmaddox@scsn.net References: <19981012185359.I1157@scsn.net> <29884.908244565@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <29884.908244565@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 07:09:25PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 07:09:25PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > No. I don't use it. Voxware does everything my sound card > > knows how to do. I'll be using Voxware till it rots, I expect. > > Voxware has already rotted. Someday soon it will even be removed > entirely and you will then have the choice between either putting it > back in yourself and maintaining it separately or switching to the new > one. It works amazingly well for rotten code... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 16:11:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17089 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:11:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nemesis.acronet.net (nemesis.acronet.net [207.7.26.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17084; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:10:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jnelson@acronet.net) Received: from acronet.net (jnelson@nemesis.acronet.net [207.7.26.2]) by nemesis.acronet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25477; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:10:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199810132310.SAA25477@nemesis.acronet.net> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:12:29 EDT." <19981013171229.A1859@scsn.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:10:40 -0500 From: Jeremy Nelson Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [cc's snipped to remane sane] [someone whose attributes have been lost said] ! No. I don't use it. Voxware does everything my sound card ! knows how to do. I'll be using Voxware till it rots, I expect. >On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 07:09:25PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: @ Voxware has already rotted. Someday soon it will even be removed @ entirely and you will then have the choice between either putting it @ back in yourself and maintaining it separately or switching to the new @ one. [someone else whose attributes have been lost said] >It works amazingly well for rotten code... I concur. I will be much saddened by the removal of voxware: It works exceptionally for my setup, a pnp awe32 with a yamaha daughterboard. I looked at the source to luigi's stuff and it still doesnt support the midi devices. While i have no complaint about that at all (after all, there's nothing that says it has to be supported), it strikes me as intriguing to remove a working sound driver that supports something as important as midi, in favor of a sound driver that does not. I suppose as Jordan says, if they remove voxware from freebsd, some of us users will have to conspire together to maintain it seperately. Anyone interested in such a project? I admit i would have to join; all i do with my sound card is 'playmidi'[1]. I cant be the only one. Jeremy [1] I know someone will point out timidity, but thats not really much of an option. The daughterboard I have on my sound card is much better than any patches I can get for timidity, and wont require all my CPU time to boot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 17:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25662 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:00:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25646; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA17693; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:58:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199810132358.BAA17693@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable In-Reply-To: <199810132310.SAA25477@nemesis.acronet.net> from Jeremy Nelson at "Oct 13, 98 06:10:40 pm" To: jnelson@acronet.net (Jeremy Nelson) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:58:02 +0200 (CEST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jeremy Nelson: > I concur. I will be much saddened by the removal of voxware: It works > exceptionally for my setup, a pnp awe32 with a yamaha daughterboard. > I looked at the source to luigi's stuff and it still doesnt support the > midi devices. While i have no complaint about that at all (after all, > there's nothing that says it has to be supported), it strikes me as > intriguing to remove a working sound driver that supports something as > important as midi, in favor of a sound driver that does not. > > I suppose as Jordan says, if they remove voxware from freebsd, some of us > users will have to conspire together to maintain it seperately. Anyone > interested in such a project? I admit i would have to join; all i do > with my sound card is 'playmidi'[1]. I cant be the only one. Actually, that was not what Jordan said at all. That was someone else. But the fact of the matter is that Jordan probably have good reasons to want to remove Voxware from FreeBSD. I really don't know much about the soundcode, but I suspect Luigi's i better designed, and brings something new to FreeBSD's soundcode. If not, I don't think Luigi would have bothered. So... (let's say) Luigi's code is better at what it DOES handle... Why have two soundcodes, that does basically the same thing? Ripping out out just to clean the tree up seems like a good idea to me. Now, you want midi and whatnot. Why not do as Jordan says and add midi support to the new code instead of wasting energy on a project to keep old code (which will rot more and more no matter what) alive? I suspect it should be a pretty straightforward cut'n'paste job from the old code with very little actual change needing to be done. Just find out where and how to hook the code in and see the old code for how to do it. Then again, i haven't looked too closely as I said. /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 17:56:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05409 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05376; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21574; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:56:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Mikael Karpberg cc: jnelson@acronet.net (Jeremy Nelson), stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:58:02 +0200." <199810132358.BAA17693@ocean.campus.luth.se> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:56:41 -0700 Message-ID: <21570.908326601@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Actually, that was not what Jordan said at all. That was someone else. > But the fact of the matter is that Jordan probably have good reasons to > want to remove Voxware from FreeBSD. I really don't know much about the > soundcode, but I suspect Luigi's i better designed, and brings something > new to FreeBSD's soundcode. If not, I don't think Luigi would have bothered. > > So... (let's say) Luigi's code is better at what it DOES handle... > Why have two soundcodes, that does basically the same thing? Ripping out > out just to clean the tree up seems like a good idea to me. Precisely. Having two separate sound drivers is simply confusing and increases the amount of cruft in the tree. Furthermore, if those who have complained so far would put even a tenth of the amount of effort into helping Luigi add MIDI and FM support to the new driver, we wouldn't even be having this little conversation. I hear a lot of counter-arguments about ability and time raised whenever I make that suggestion as well, but that's just bollocks. If someone is truly motivated and inclined then they'll make the time and they'll learn whatever has to be learned in order to make it happen. This isn't rocket science, it's just a sound driver, and I know that many people here have the ability to accomplish such things or they probably wouldn't even be in this industry. Whether they make it an actual priority or not, however, depends on how strongly they're pushed and they can consider my first shot across the bow of the old sound code to be the first strong nudge in that direction. The nudges will get stronger as soon as 3.0 is out the door. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 21:26:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04304 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:26:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.tds.edu (zeus.tds.edu [38.149.131.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04299 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from willow@tds.edu) Received: from zeus.tds.edu (willow@zeus.tds.edu [38.149.131.15]) by zeus.tds.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id AAA06312 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:25:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Willow To: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Roland MT-32 and FreeBSD 2.2.7 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone been able to use a Roland MT-32 with FreeBSD? I am also looking for software to download patch maps in various formats to the MT-32. I'd rather not load M$ Windoze to support this one device. The kernel has been compiled with support for the mpu-401 interface and it sees it. Thanks! -- willow@tds.edu -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Oct 13 23:58:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21964 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw1.fhg.de (mailgw1.fhg.de [153.96.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21958 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:58:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from runge@egd.igd.fhg.de) Received: by mailgw1.fhg.de (fhg.de); Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:57:59 +0200 (MET DST) X-ENV: (mailgw1.fhg.de) runge@egd.igd.fhg.de -> multimedia@freebsd.ORG.VIA-SMTP X-BULK-CHECK-1-981014.08.57.45: egd.egd.igd.fhg.de [153.96.43.2] Received: by mailgw1.fhg.de (fhg.de) with SMTP; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:57:38 +0200 (MET DST) from brussel.egd.igd.fhg.de Received: by brussel.egd.igd.fhg.de; Wed, 14 Oct 98 07:53:42 +0100 Message-Id: <36244A76.D4944CD4@rostock.zgdv.de> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:53:42 +0200 From: Thomas Runge Organization: http://www.rostock.zgdv.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ken Krebs wrote: > besides, I hear it doesn't like 3.0-current anymore. Just a guess: Wait for 3.0 release. Maybe one or two weeks after that, I'm sure, they will provide a more stable 3.0 version. -- Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Oct 14 01:59:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00952 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:59:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00947 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:59:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from muir-10 (roger@muir-10.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.148.10]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10654 Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:58:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <362467CB.167E@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:58:51 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: University of Strathclyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Runge CC: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable References: <36244A76.D4944CD4@rostock.zgdv.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thomas Runge wrote: > Ken Krebs wrote: > > Refereing to Luigi's Sound Code > > besides, I hear it doesn't like 3.0-current anymore. > No longer true. Luigi submitted a fix to 3.0-current about 6 days ago and got lots of positive replies back from the people who tested it. AFAIK, it fixed the problem introduced in the sound code by a fix to the isa dma code. Bye Roger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Oct 14 10:09:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22159 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dart.sr.se (dart.SR.SE [193.12.91.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22133 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:09:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: from honken.sr.se ([134.25.128.27]) by dart.sr.se (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA27997; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:08:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pluto.sr.se (pluto.SR.SE [134.25.193.91]) by honken.sr.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02810; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:08:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from gunnar@localhost) by pluto.sr.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08067; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:08:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar) Message-ID: <19981014190856.A7947@sr.se> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:08:56 +0200 From: Gunnar Flygt To: Eivind Eklund Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [gunnar@pluto.sr.se: Trying to compile bktr support] Reply-To: flygt@sr.se References: <19981010170729.A13753@sr.se> <19981013153616.31760@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981013153616.31760@follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 03:36:16PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In fact, since I wrote that question I've found that Roger Hardiman has taken over the development, and at his ftp-site there was a README that showed me what exactly to put in the options file. After that the code compiled cleanly. I even got the latest code from that site. On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 03:36:16PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > I made a compilation of the support for video chip bt848. After a while > > the compiler complains about a missing .h file It's looking for: > > > > ../../pci/brooktree848.c:272: opt_bktr.h: No such file or directory > > mkdep: compile failed > > *** Error code 1 > > > > The file missing opt_bktr.h is nowhere in the source tree as far as I > > can find. I even tried to compile with the file commented out. This > > works fine (as far as compiling is concerned, but there is no > > recognition of the TV card) > > Which version of source? > > This means that you're compiling brooktree848.c on something that > hasn't got the brooktree options added to the conf/options - if this > is a mismatch in the FreeBSD CVS repository, we have to fix it. If > not, you just have to add some option to conf/options, pointing at > opt_bktr.h - check out the cvs logs for src/sys/conf/options using CVSweb: > http://www.freebsd.org/cg/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/conf/options > > The non-recognition of the TV card is a different issue - a dmesg from > a boot -v would be useful for attempting to track this down. Now after I've got the thing to compile, I can start fxtv and get pictures out of it, but nothing is seen in a 'normal' dmesg (without the -v at boot). I thought I would see the TV-card detected? But it works, or rather one of my Miro cards work. It has a chip number starting with 7, the other one has a chip number starting with 5. I guess the first is a newer card. We were a bit confused by this, but have figured out that both cards are working (only tested on NT though) if the video card is Matrox of any kind, but not if the video card is ATI. On ATI's only the newer card is working. Strange enough they have exactly the same versions of (NT-)drivers delivered with them. -- __o regards, Gunnar ---_ \<,_ email: flygt@sr.se ---- (_)/ (_) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Oct 14 10:15:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23702 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dart.sr.se (dart.SR.SE [193.12.91.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23695 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: from honken.sr.se ([134.25.128.27]) by dart.sr.se (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA28057; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:14:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pluto.sr.se (pluto.SR.SE [134.25.193.91]) by honken.sr.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02889; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:14:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from gunnar@localhost) by pluto.sr.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08076; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:14:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar) Message-ID: <19981014191424.B7947@sr.se> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:14:24 +0200 From: Gunnar Flygt To: Roger Hardiman Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [gunnar@pluto.sr.se: Trying to compile bktr support] Reply-To: flygt@sr.se References: <19981010170729.A13753@sr.se> <36236BDC.167E@cs.strath.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36236BDC.167E@cs.strath.ac.uk>; from Roger Hardiman on Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 04:03:56PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 04:03:56PM +0100, Roger Hardiman wrote: > Hi, > If you get the error message opt_bktr.h missing, > add the following lines to /sys/conf/options > > # give bktr an opt_bktr.h file > OVERRIDE_CARD opt_bktr.h > OVERRIDE_TUNER opt_bktr.h > OVERRIDE_DBX opt_bktr.h > OVERRIDE_MSP opt_bktr.h > BROOKTREE_SYSTEM_DEFAULT opt_bktr.h > BKTR_USE_PLL opt_bktr.h Thank You! I did that after having looked at the README file in your ftp-site. Now it compiled and works fine, but I don't see any 'I've detected a TV-card' message when booting. Since it works that doesn't matter so much. Do you know, by the way, how I set the tuner to have it set to European standard concerning frequencies (I can't find the right word. Hope you understand)? As it is now I can see some stations and other just flicker by when the tuner goes past them and stops at the next 'preset' frequency. -- __o regards, Gunnar ---_ \<,_ email: flygt@sr.se ---- (_)/ (_) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Oct 14 16:20:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16464 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:20:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16445; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:20:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09814; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:20:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Message-ID: <362531B6.553C7781@gorean.org> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:20:22 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-1009 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Mikael Karpberg , Jeremy Nelson , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable References: <21570.908326601@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > Precisely. Having two separate sound drivers is simply confusing and > increases the amount of cruft in the tree. Ok, let me get this straight. Things like xten and qcam stay IN the tree, in spite of, 1) They are broken, and/or work in only a limited number of cases. 2) In the case of qcam can actually cause kernel panics. 3) Are only relevant to an extremely small subset of potential freebsd customers. Yet you plan to yank the voxware driver in spite of, 1) It works just fine, in fact it does more that luigi's alternative. 2) Is perfectly safe. 3) Supports a HUGE installed base of sound cards. And your logic for this is that it's confusing and adds to bloat? With all of the other useless, antiquated, nonsense that's in the tree now your answer is to delete something that works? > Furthermore, if those who > have complained so far would put even a tenth of the amount of effort > into helping Luigi add MIDI and FM support to the new driver, we > wouldn't even be having this little conversation. I was one of the first people to adopt the new driver in -Stable, and in fact I helped debug the problems with it in -Stable and I still use it. I don't need midi or synth support, so I'm not motivated to help add support for either, but if someone else does add it I will be glad to test it on my humble, 4 year old original SB 16. On the other hand, I AM strongly motivated by stupid management decisions. You've had about a dozen responses from people who are saying, "I use the voxware driver and I'd miss it if there were no suitable replacement." Given that most of the people who will be affected by this decision aren't reading the lists, you should consider that an overwhelming reason not to nuke voxware. I tried to be polite with this observation in my previous post, but your argument that, "If I delete voxware which works and people like then they will work on pcm instead" simply cannot go past without comment. While I can't code a new sound driver, I will be happy to use my documentation skills to help with keeping the two seperate drivers less "confusing" if anyone's interested. Just point me at what needs clarification. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** Go PADRES! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Oct 14 17:13:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23497 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23452; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.double-barrel.be (8.9.1/8.8.8) id CAA04450; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:11:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be(194.7.102.18) via SMTP by mail.double-barrel.be, id smtpdwQ4400; Thu Oct 15 02:11:17 1998 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:11:07 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" X-Sender: mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be To: Studded cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, Mikael Karpberg , Jeremy Nelson , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable In-Reply-To: <362531B6.553C7781@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just to say that the support for voxware should not be dropped. I think that keeping the two available should not cause any problems. Poeple will use what they like, if they got the choice. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Studded wrote: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > Precisely. Having two separate sound drivers is simply confusing and > > increases the amount of cruft in the tree. > > Ok, let me get this straight. Things like xten and qcam stay IN the > tree, in spite of, > > 1) They are broken, and/or work in only a limited number of cases. > 2) In the case of qcam can actually cause kernel panics. > 3) Are only relevant to an extremely small subset of potential freebsd > customers. > > Yet you plan to yank the voxware driver in spite of, > > 1) It works just fine, in fact it does more that luigi's alternative. > 2) Is perfectly safe. > 3) Supports a HUGE installed base of sound cards. > > And your logic for this is that it's confusing and adds to bloat? With > all of the other useless, antiquated, nonsense that's in the tree now > your answer is to delete something that works? > > > Furthermore, if those who > > have complained so far would put even a tenth of the amount of effort > > into helping Luigi add MIDI and FM support to the new driver, we > > wouldn't even be having this little conversation. > > I was one of the first people to adopt the new driver in -Stable, and > in fact I helped debug the problems with it in -Stable and I still use > it. I don't need midi or synth support, so I'm not motivated to help add > support for either, but if someone else does add it I will be glad to > test it on my humble, 4 year old original SB 16. On the other hand, I AM > strongly motivated by stupid management decisions. > > You've had about a dozen responses from people who are saying, "I use > the voxware driver and I'd miss it if there were no suitable > replacement." Given that most of the people who will be affected by this > decision aren't reading the lists, you should consider that an > overwhelming reason not to nuke voxware. I tried to be polite with this > observation in my previous post, but your argument that, "If I delete > voxware which works and people like then they will work on pcm instead" > simply cannot go past without comment. > > While I can't code a new sound driver, I will be happy to use my > documentation skills to help with keeping the two seperate drivers less > "confusing" if anyone's interested. Just point me at what needs > clarification. > > Doug > -- > *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** > > Go PADRES! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Oct 14 17:50:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28588 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:50:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA28578 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 425 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Oct 1998 00:52:28 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <362531B6.553C7781@gorean.org> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:52:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 14-Oct-98 Studded wrote to Jordan: > > You've had about a dozen responses from people who are saying, "I use > the voxware driver and I'd miss it if there were no suitable > replacement." Given that most of the people who will be affected by this > decision aren't reading the lists, you should consider that an > overwhelming reason not to nuke voxware. Not to mention those that haven't commented. I've not been able to get Luigi's driver to run on my old Gravis Ultrasound (the original, not the PNP). As well as it works I see no reason to replace it, either. Of course rvplayer doesn't work with it tho but that's a whole 'nother thing. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Searchable Campground Listings http://www.camping-usa.com "There is no outfit less entitled to lecture me about bloat than the federal government" -- Tony Snow ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Oct 15 06:37:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21399 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com (as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com [206.27.167.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21375; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA01239; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:34:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:34:07 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: conrads@neosoft.com Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. From: Conrad Sabatier To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Trash Voxware? (was Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I really must add my $.02 here. I would really hate to see the Voxware code dropped, as I need it to take full advantage of my AWE 64. The awedrv package (available from Randall Hopper's site at http://multiverse.com/~rhh/awedrv) depends on the Voxware code, as it is essentially nothing but a number of patches to same. I can't see giving up a driver that gives me *full* access to all of my soundcard's capabilities for one that provides only limited functionality. IF the pcm driver supported MIDI/synth, I might feel differently (probably not, actually, since I doubt it would ever support the AWE as well as awedrv), but I feel this decision to toss the Voxware code is *way* premature. I really don't understand the eagerness to drop Voxware at this point in time. Is it simply for the lack of maintainer? -- Conrad Sabatier A billion here, a couple of billion there -- first thing you know it adds up to be real money. -- Senator Everett McKinley Dirksen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Oct 15 08:03:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04864 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA04847; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:03:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA28238; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:04:04 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199810151304.OAA28238@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Trash Voxware? (was Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable) To: conrads@neosoft.com Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:04:04 +0100 (MET) Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Conrad Sabatier" at Oct 15, 98 08:33:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I really don't understand the eagerness to drop Voxware at this point in time. > Is it simply for the lack of maintainer? "simply" ? I am amazed, do people understand that the system is evolving so if a module works _now_ it does not mean it will work forever without mainteinance ? I really don't care if voxware stays or goes. At some point (maybe never...) it will happen to break because of changes in related parts of the system and then we will not have to decide. On the other hand people is not forced to upgrade, so even when a driver is removed they can happily stay with the last version that supported their favourite hardware. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Oct 15 09:12:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14247 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:12:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14242 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07643; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: conrads@neosoft.com cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trash Voxware? (was Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:34:07 CDT." Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:12:14 -0700 Message-ID: <7640.908467934@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [-stable dropped; I think we can stop cross-posting this subject now] > I really don't understand the eagerness to drop Voxware at this point in time . > Is it simply for the lack of maintainer? There hasn't been a voxware maintainer for several years now and even if it's not killed, I suspect that it will rot beyond the point of usability fairly soon. When that happens, it will be effectively dead because there's nobody around to fix it. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Oct 15 09:51:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19500 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19489 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA14097; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:51:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199810151651.SAA14097@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Trash Voxware? (was Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable) In-Reply-To: <7640.908467934@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Oct 15, 98 09:12:14 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:51:04 +0200 (CEST) Cc: conrads@neosoft.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who wrote: > [-stable dropped; I think we can stop cross-posting this subject now] > > > I really don't understand the eagerness to drop Voxware at this point in time > . > > Is it simply for the lack of maintainer? > > There hasn't been a voxware maintainer for several years now and even > if it's not killed, I suspect that it will rot beyond the point of > usability fairly soon. When that happens, it will be effectively dead > because there's nobody around to fix it. But the danish mafia will still be here and get rid of it :) (couldn't resist that one, sorry) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end? .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Oct 15 12:25:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14030 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:25:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f189.hotmail.com [207.82.251.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14022 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:24:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phackwer@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 24386 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 1998 19:24:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19981015192432.24385.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.130.74.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:24:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.130.74.130] From: "Pablo Sánchez" To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Video Editing Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:24:11 PDT Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings Commander!!! I couldn't find a software that is able to make video edition on Unix systems (despite of Softimage DS, wich is totally out of question). Did you ever heard or find something with a nice GUI on X that is capable of doing so (kind of Adobe Premiere)? If yes, please, let me know. Yours sincerely Pablo Santiago Sánchez ======================= Phackwer Web Art & Design http://www.phackwer.cjb.net phackwer@hotmail.com ======================= ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Oct 15 14:06:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02644 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02563; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:06:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00992; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:06:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Message-ID: <362663CF.5DF853A4@gorean.org> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:06:23 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-1015 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo CC: conrads@neosoft.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trash Voxware? (was Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable) References: <199810151304.OAA28238@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Luigi Rizzo wrote: [some snipping] > > I really don't understand the eagerness to drop Voxware at this point in time. > > Is it simply for the lack of maintainer? > > "simply" ? I am amazed, do people understand that the system is > evolving so if a module works _now_ it does not mean it will work > forever without mainteinance ? Some of us do understand that, yes. However, given that it works NOW it is foolish to consider removing it NOW. Also, if it does get broken at some point in the future a maintainer might become sufficiently motivated to step forward. > On the other hand people is not forced to upgrade, so even when a > driver is removed they can happily stay with the last version that > supported their favourite hardware. This argument is completely non sequitur. Removing the driver at some point X in the future means that you've denied access to it for everyone who installs freebsd at some point beyond X. Sure, a new user could theoretically go back and get the parts and install it himself, but this is horrible customer relations. If freebsd really wants to grow then it's going to have to start thinking along these lines. My point stated simply is that if it's not broken, don't remove it until there is a suitable, full featured replacement. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** Go PADRES! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Oct 15 14:38:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11508 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:38:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cae.uwm.edu (gw1.cae.uwm.edu [129.89.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11503 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:38:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from traveler@cae.uwm.edu) Received: from localhost (traveler@localhost) by mail.cae.uwm.edu (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA20945 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:38:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from traveler@cae.uwm.edu) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:38:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Keith Osowski To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: winnov av pci support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there currenlty support for this card under FreeBSD? It sound system is a crystal cs4218-kl and I believe that it uses the brooktree chipset, but I don't know which. Thanks for your help Keith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Oct 16 04:06:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13626 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA13619 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id GAA00449; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:24:17 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199810160524.GAA00449@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: winnov av pci support To: traveler@cae.uwm.edu (Keith Osowski) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:24:17 +0100 (MET) Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Keith Osowski" at Oct 15, 98 04:38:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is there currenlty support for this card under FreeBSD? It sound system > is a crystal cs4218-kl and I believe that it uses the brooktree chipset, > but I don't know which. why don't you first try ? luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Oct 16 05:14:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18265 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com (as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com [206.27.167.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18257 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:14:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id HAA14329 for multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:11:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810151304.OAA28238@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:11:12 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: conrads@neosoft.com Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. From: Conrad Sabatier To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trash Voxware? (was Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable) Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ stable dropped as per JHK's suggestion ] On 15-Oct-98 Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> I really don't understand the eagerness to drop Voxware at this point in >> time. >> Is it simply for the lack of maintainer? > > "simply" ? I am amazed, do people understand that the system is > evolving so if a module works _now_ it does not mean it will work > forever without mainteinance ? OK, maybe a poor choice of words. I meant "simply" in the sense of "only", as in, "if this is the only reason, then what we need to do is get someone to maintain the code". I would gladly volunteer, as I think it's well worth maintaining at this time, but I really don't think I'm up to the task (for that matter, I would gladly offer to help add MIDI functionality to the new driver as well, if only). My knowledge of the lower-level workings of FreeBSD (and of soundcards in general) leaves *much* to be desired. I *am* interested, nonetheless, in finding out more about what's involved in maintaining a module, and about device drivers in general. Any resources? And Luigi, I hope you don't take any of this personally. I just can't do without MIDI. :-) -- Conrad Sabatier Arithmetic is being able to count up to twenty without taking off your shoes. -- Mickey Mouse To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Oct 16 05:52:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA22151 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from math.berkeley.edu (math.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.183.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA22137; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:52:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@math.berkeley.edu) Received: (from dan@localhost) by math.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA06161; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: dan@math.berkeley.edu (Dan Strick) Message-Id: <199810161251.FAA06161@math.berkeley.edu> To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: Trash Voxware? (was Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable) Cc: dan@math.berkeley.edu, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On the other hand people is not forced to upgrade, so even when a > driver is removed they can happily stay with the last version that > supported their favourite hardware. That sounds like something Bill Gates would tell the DOJ. Dan Strick dan@math.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Oct 16 06:54:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29591 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA29568; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:54:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA00811; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:55:40 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199810161155.MAA00811@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Trash Voxware? (was Re: rvplayer requires pcm for stable) To: dan@math.berkeley.edu (Dan Strick) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:55:40 +0100 (MET) Cc: dan@math.berkeley.edu, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810161251.FAA06161@math.berkeley.edu> from "Dan Strick" at Oct 16, 98 05:51:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On the other hand people is not forced to upgrade, so even when a > > driver is removed they can happily stay with the last version that > > supported their favourite hardware. > > That sounds like something Bill Gates would tell the DOJ. $$$ hmmm... let's call Bill... $$$ luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Oct 17 23:10:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12788 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hme0.smtp05.sprint.ca (hme0.smtp05.sprint.ca [207.107.250.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12783 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:10:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wettoast@sprint.ca) Received: from sprint.ca (spc-isp-tor-uas-77-74.sprint.ca [209.148.140.75]) by hme0.smtp05.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08263 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 02:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <362985BA.21743F35@sprint.ca> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 02:07:55 -0400 From: WetToast Organization: Digital-Progression X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: C4232 Sound Drivers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, i just installed 3.0-RELEASE, and i was glad to see that it supports the cs4232 sound card. But when i reconfigured the kernel to use the sound card, i kept getting errors, it wont compile. This is my config file --- device css0 at isa? port 0x534 irq 5 drq 1 vector adintr This is the compile error i keep getting, this happens right after everything is done compiling, and the system load the kernel. (the compilation goes by smoothly) --- loading kernel cs4232.o: Undefined symbol `_probe_mpu401' referenced from text segment ... Error. Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message