From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 05:27:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18857 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18852 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:27:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.10] (user10.dataplex.net [208.2.87.10]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27750; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:27:52 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35552667.55DF@wna-linknet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:23:03 -0500 To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: homenetwork Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:00 PM -0500 5/9/98, Arnold J. Rimmer wrote: >i am trying to setup a 2 box network in my home with the object of using >the freebsd box as a gateway for a dialup internet connection. i have >followed the instructions in the ppp tutorial. the second box is >running windoze nt 4.0 and each box has an smc 8416 ethernet card on >isa bus. >each box seems to be setup properly, but they do not acknowledge each >others existence. ping to localhost and hostname work on each end, but >ping from freebsd box to windoze box results: host is down. ping from >windoze box to freebsd box results: timed out. i have even checked the >cable for breaks...none. > >any suggestions as to what i am doing wrong will be greatly appreciated. What is the physical medium (ethernet, I presume)? What have you configured as the IP and netmask on each end? What does "ifconfig -a" show? How about "arp -a"? With some additional info, I may be able to help. Reply directly (not to the list) since I am sure that, at this point, others will not care about the details. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 06:04:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21002 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rodent.crp.com.au (rodent.crp.com.au [203.13.222.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20995 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:04:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pedro@crp.com.au) Received: from senator (senator.crp.com.au [203.13.222.42]) by rodent.crp.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22803; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:59:44 GMT Message-ID: <3554556B.A410D3DF@crp.com.au> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 23:09:00 +1000 From: David Peterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Wackerbarth CC: "freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: homenetwork X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Isn't that what the list is for, so that any others with the same > question can get the same information > instead of having to ask the same questions again? David Peterson. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 07:38:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28223 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28215 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.10] (user10.dataplex.net [208.2.87.10]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27918; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:38:37 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3554556B.A410D3DF@crp.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:38:42 -0500 To: David Peterson From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: homenetwork Cc: "freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 8:09 AM -0500 5/9/98, David Peterson wrote: >> Isn't that what the list is for, so that any others with the same >> question can get the same information > >> instead of having to ask the same questions again? Yes, and no. IMHO, the list should be a place to gain information. I feel that I provided some information that is of general value. I indicated to the list a willingness to see that the enquirer received assistance. I also provided general information that someone needs to examine in order to isolate the problem. This is of general value. However, the details of this individual's particular problem are not likely to be of value for most readers until we isolate the problem. At that point, a synopsis of the situation, posted to the list, would provide a concise summary for everyone's benefit. If you feel differently, that is your privledge. Would you prefer to handle this query? I can always add you to my kill list so that I am not bothered by the traffic. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 09:32:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06647 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:32:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wna1.wna-linknet.com (root@wna1.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06578 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com) Received: from RED_DWARF (cust94.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.94]) by wna1.wna-linknet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22205 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 12:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3555D587.BE1@wna-linknet.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:27:51 -0500 From: "Arnold J. Rimmer" Reply-To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Organization: Jupiter Mining Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: home network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i have a single bnc cable straight from 1 ethernet card to the other. did i overlook something in the tutorial? In the tutorial, item 2.2 Assumptions about the Local Area Network states... workstations and a server are connected with ethernet cabling... subnet mask is set to 255.255.255.0. bsd box is 192.168.1.2, windoze box is 192.168.1.1. ifconfig -a results: ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 lp0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 tun0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 sl0: flags=c010 mtu 552 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 arp -a results nothing just goes back to # prompt. thanx to all for your interest in helping me solve my problem. AJR / If you get to it / and you cannot do it / there you jolly well are / aren't you? ...Lord Buckley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 10:09:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10790 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 10:09:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10740; Sun, 10 May 1998 10:08:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199805101708.KAA10740@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: home network In-Reply-To: <3555D587.BE1@wna-linknet.com> from "Arnold J. Rimmer" at "May 10, 98 11:27:51 am" To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Arnold J. Rimmer wrote: > i have a single bnc cable straight from 1 ethernet card to the other. > did i overlook something in the tutorial? are you using terminators? you cannot connect 10Base2 (thin coax ethernet) from one card directly to another. you must attach a T-connector to each card. one end of the T-connector attaches to teh 10Base2 coax cable. the other end attaches to a terminator. ------ terminator | v [--+------------------- coax cable ----------------------+---] | | ------- ------- | | | | | ethernet card | ethernet card jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 11:37:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19647 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 11:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19627 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 11:37:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id UAA03785; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:37:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:37:31 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: home network References: <3555D587.BE1@wna-linknet.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 10 May 1998 20:37:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Arnold J. Rimmer"'s message of "Sun, 10 May 1998 11:27:51 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Arnold J. Rimmer" writes: > ifconfig -a results: > ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 You should have two lines here with the IP and MAC addresses, something like: ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 ether 01:23:45:67:89:ab (the actual numbers on the second line will of course be different) If these lines are missing, make sure you have the appropriate entries in /etc/rc.conf: network_interfaces="lo0 ed0" ifconfig_lo0="inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000" ifconfig_ed0="inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xffffff00" If that is indeed the problem, you can fix it by typing the following as root: # ifconfig ed0 inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xffffff00 (but remember to add the appropriate lines to /etc/rc.conf as well) -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 13:29:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07190 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wna1.wna-linknet.com (root@wna1.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07178 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:29:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com) Received: from RED_DWARF (cust129.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.129]) by wna1.wna-linknet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12821 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35560D1F.40F8@wna-linknet.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 15:25:03 -0500 From: "Arnold J. Rimmer" Reply-To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Organization: Jupiter Mining Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: home network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sorry i was imprecise. there ARE T-connectors with terminators at each ethernet card. but there is no hub. opps, actual result of ifconfig -a is: ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 192.168.1.255 ether 00:00:c0:0f:62:9b the addresses were assigned as per tutorial by going into /etc/hosts. after changes to /etc/hosts and etc/rc.conf i rebooted. i've done nothing to rc.network. it was not mentioned in the tutorial. nor was multiuser mode. i boot up the box and login as root. i guess i am in single user mode. how is multiuser mode started? AJR / If you get to it / and you cannot do it / there you jolly well are / aren't you? ...Lord Buckley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 14:08:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11428 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:08:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (jonny@roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11390 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:07:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonny@coe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04000; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:07:52 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199805102107.SAA04000@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: home network In-Reply-To: <35560D1F.40F8@wna-linknet.com> from "Arnold J. Rimmer" at "May 10, 98 03:25:03 pm" To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:07:51 -0300 (EST) Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Arnold J. Rimmer) // ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 // inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 192.168.1.255 // ether 00:00:c0:0f:62:9b Hey, your netmask is wrong ! If you need the equivalent of a class A address, use net 10.0.0.0 Quoted from RFC1918: 3. Private Address Space The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the following three blocks of the IP address space for private internets: 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (10/8 prefix) 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (172.16/12 prefix) 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix) We will refer to the first block as "24-bit block", the second as "20-bit block", and to the third as "16-bit" block. Note that (in pre-CIDR notation) the first block is nothing but a single class A network number, while the second block is a set of 16 contiguous class B network numbers, and third block is a set of 256 contiguous class C network numbers. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@coppe.ufrj.br M.Sc. Student Electrical Engineering Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 15:23:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19432 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 15:23:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19391; Sun, 10 May 1998 15:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199805102223.PAA19391@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: home network In-Reply-To: <35560D1F.40F8@wna-linknet.com> from "Arnold J. Rimmer" at "May 10, 98 03:25:03 pm" To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 15:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Arnold J. Rimmer wrote: > sorry i was imprecise. there ARE T-connectors with terminators at each > ethernet card. but there is no hub. > ahhhh....sorry. > opps, actual result of ifconfig -a is: > > ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 192.168.1.255 > ether 00:00:c0:0f:62:9b this looks good. what does the other machine show? both machines have to be on the same network, in your case 192.168.1.x. what is the result of "ping 192.168.1.255"? you should get DUPlicate response packets, one for each machine on the network. for instance: (on my network) Aspen:[11] ping 198.35.135.255 PING 198.35.135.255 (198.35.135.255): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 198.35.135.3: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=239.406 ms 64 bytes from 198.35.135.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=254 time=279.755 ms (DUP!) 64 bytes from 198.35.135.7: icmp_seq=0 ttl=254 time=299.321 ms (DUP!) 64 bytes from 198.35.135.6: icmp_seq=0 ttl=254 time=309.806 ms (DUP!) > the addresses were assigned as per tutorial by going into /etc/hosts. > after changes to /etc/hosts and etc/rc.conf i rebooted. > > i've done nothing to rc.network. it was not mentioned in the tutorial. > nor was multiuser mode. i boot up the box and login as root. i guess i > am in single user mode. how is multiuser mode started? the machine will automatcailly boot into multiuser mode, unless there is a problem that prevents it or you have instructed it to boot single user. (using "-s" at the boot prompt). in multiuser mode there is a "login: " prompt. in single user mode there is not. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 15:38:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21333 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 15:38:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from avrasya.ispro.net.tr (avrasya.ispro.net.tr [195.174.18.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20842 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 15:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net.tr) Received: from localhost (yurtesen@localhost) by avrasya.ispro.net.tr (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA19976 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:32:15 +0300 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 02:32:15 +0300 (EET DST) From: Evren Yurtesen To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: router Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org how can I use freebsd like a router between 2 interfaces or gateway like ed0 and ed1 ? hmm, my network configuration is like ed1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 195.174.18.16 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 195.174.18.255 ether 00:80:48:eb:ac:2b ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 ether 00:20:18:10:86:1b I want to connect my windows boxes to ed0 and set gateway to 192.168.1.1 hmm how can I do that? I tried it with natd and ipfw and it is working but I want to do it withoud using ipfw! how can I do it? +--------------------------------------------------------+ | Name : Evren Yurtesen - yurtesen@ispro.net.tr | | S-mail: Mithatpasa Cad. No:1079/13 35290 Guzelyali | | Home:+90-232-2857604 Work:+90-232-2463992 Izmir/TURKEY | +--------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 15:40:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21659 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 15:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21595; Sun, 10 May 1998 15:39:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199805102239.PAA21595@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: home network In-Reply-To: <199805102107.SAA04000@roma.coe.ufrj.br> from Joao Carlos Mendes Luis at "May 10, 98 06:07:51 pm" To: jonny@coe.ufrj.br (Joao Carlos Mendes Luis) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 15:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Cc: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > #define quoting(Arnold J. Rimmer) > // ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > // inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 192.168.1.255 > // ether 00:00:c0:0f:62:9b > > Hey, your netmask is wrong ! no! it is not wrong! the netmask is limited by two factors: upper limit: address space that you are allowed to use from rfc1918 the maximal netmask is 255.255.0.0 or 192.169/16, to use the correct description. lower limit: 4 addresses which is a /30. our network connections to uunet and crl are both /30 networks (if they could use /31 or /32 networks they would) between those two limits you are free to define the netmask on whatever bit boundary suits your needs. jmb > > If you need the equivalent of a class A address, use net 10.0.0.0 > > Quoted from RFC1918: > > 3. Private Address Space > > The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the > following three blocks of the IP address space for private internets: > > 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (10/8 prefix) > 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (172.16/12 prefix) > 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix) > > We will refer to the first block as "24-bit block", the second as > "20-bit block", and to the third as "16-bit" block. Note that (in > pre-CIDR notation) the first block is nothing but a single class A > network number, while the second block is a set of 16 contiguous > class B network numbers, and third block is a set of 256 contiguous > class C network numbers. > > Jonny > > -- > Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br > +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@coppe.ufrj.br > M.Sc. Student Electrical Engineering > Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 15:58:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23581 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 15:58:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (jonny@roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23518; Sun, 10 May 1998 15:58:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonny@coe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01239; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:57:58 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199805102257.TAA01239@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: home network In-Reply-To: <199805102239.PAA21595@hub.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "May 10, 98 03:39:31 pm" To: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:57:58 -0300 (EST) Cc: jonny@coe.ufrj.br, x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Jonathan M. Bresler) // Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: // > #define quoting(Arnold J. Rimmer) // > // ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 // > // inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 192.168.1.255 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ // > // ether 00:00:c0:0f:62:9b // > // > Hey, your netmask is wrong ! // // no! it is not wrong! // // the netmask is limited by two factors: // upper limit: address space that you are allowed to use // from rfc1918 the maximal netmask is 255.255.0.0 // or 192.169/16, to use the correct description. // lower limit: 4 addresses which is a /30. // our network connections to uunet and crl // are both /30 networks (if they could use /31 or /32 // networks they would) // // between those two limits you are free to define the // netmask on whatever bit boundary suits your needs. Hi Jonathan, Look again: 0xff000000 is /8, which is not between /16 and /30. The broadcast address indicates a netmask of /24, but it may have been set manually. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@coppe.ufrj.br M.Sc. Student Electrical Engineering Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 16:11:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25011 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:11:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24977; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199805102310.QAA24977@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: home network In-Reply-To: <199805102257.TAA01239@roma.coe.ufrj.br> from Joao Carlos Mendes Luis at "May 10, 98 07:57:58 pm" To: jonny@coe.ufrj.br (Joao Carlos Mendes Luis) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, jonny@coe.ufrj.br, x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > #define quoting(Jonathan M. Bresler) > // Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > // > #define quoting(Arnold J. Rimmer) > // > // ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > // > // inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 192.168.1.255 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > // > // ether 00:00:c0:0f:62:9b > // > > // > Hey, your netmask is wrong ! > // > // no! it is not wrong! > // > // the netmask is limited by two factors: > // upper limit: address space that you are allowed to use > // from rfc1918 the maximal netmask is 255.255.0.0 > // or 192.169/16, to use the correct description. > // lower limit: 4 addresses which is a /30. > // our network connections to uunet and crl > // are both /30 networks (if they could use /31 or /32 > // networks they would) > // > // between those two limits you are free to define the > // netmask on whatever bit boundary suits your needs. > > Hi Jonathan, > > Look again: 0xff000000 is /8, which is not between /16 and /30. > > The broadcast address indicates a netmask of /24, but it may have > been set manually. gack!!!!!! my apologies. you are clearly correct. gawd how did i miss that....must hvae jumped right to the broadcast address. Arnold J. Rimmer you have got to fix your netmask. take a look in /etc/rc.conf. try: ifconfig_ed0="inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0...." "..." because i dont know if you have additional arguments or not. my 3c509 has AUI/BNC/UTP so i use ifconfig_ep0="inet 192.168.250.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 link2" jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 19:28:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20345 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:28:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wna1.wna-linknet.com (root@wna1.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20340 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:28:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com) Received: from RED_DWARF (cust129.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.129]) by wna1.wna-linknet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01673 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35566154.1E53@wna-linknet.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:24:20 -0500 From: "Arnold J. Rimmer" Reply-To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Organization: Jupiter Mining Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: home network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org located a typo in /etc/rc.conf; have set: ifconfig_ed0="inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" after reboot ifconfig -a results: ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 ether 00:00:c0:0f:62:9b ping 192.168.1.255 from freebsd box results: PING 192.168.1.255(192.168.1.255): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_seq=0 ttl=266 time=0.169 ms (this line repeats only time changes a bit and icmp_seq increments; no response from other box) /etc/rc.conf Network configuration section reads: hostname="arnold.my.domain" nisdomainname="NO" firewall="NO" tcp_extensions="YES" network_interfaces="lo0 ed0" ifconfig_lo0="inet 127.0.0.1" ifconfig_ed0="inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" further down in Network routing options only change i made was: gateway_enable="YES" on the windoze end tcp/ip is set as follows: ip address: 192.168.1.1 subnet mask: 255.255.255.0 default gateway: 192.168.1.2 /etc/hosts reads (on both boxes): 192.168.1.1 missarlene missarlene.my.domain #Windows NT 192.168.1.2 arnold arnold.my.domain #FreeBSD System 127.0.0.1 localhost according to diagnostics on the windoze box, tcp/ip starts at boot and is runnung. ping 192.168.1.255 from windoze box results: timed out ping 192.168.1.1 from windoze box results: pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data: reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<10ms ttl=128 ping localhost results: pinging missarlene.my.domain [127.0.0.1] with 32 bytes of data: reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<10ms ttl=128 AJR / If you get to it / and you cannot do it / there you jolly well are / aren't you? ...Lord Buckley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 19:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21586 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rodent.crp.com.au (rodent.crp.com.au [203.13.222.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21575 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pedro@crp.com.au) Received: from pedro (pedro.crp.com.au [203.13.222.4]) by rodent.crp.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24030; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:34:20 GMT Message-ID: <3556658D.7A1776B2@crp.com.au> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:42:21 +1000 From: pedro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Wackerbarth CC: "\"freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG\"" Subject: Re: homenetwork X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > At 8:09 AM -0500 5/9/98, David Peterson wrote: > >> Isn't that what the list is for, so that any others with the same > >> question can get the same information > > > >> instead of having to ask the same questions again? > > Yes, and no. > > IMHO, the list should be a place to gain information. > I feel that I provided some information that is of general value. > I indicated to the list a willingness to see that the enquirer > received assistance. I also provided general information that > someone needs to examine in order to isolate the problem. > This is of general value. > > However, the details of this individual's particular problem > are not likely to be of value for most readers until we isolate > the problem. At that point, a synopsis of the situation, posted > to the list, would provide a concise summary for everyone's > benefit. > > If you feel differently, that is your privledge. Would you prefer to > handle this query? I can always add you to my kill list so that I am > not bothered by the traffic. > > Richard Wackerbarth Add me to your kill list?????? Sorry.....Did I miss something? I was not making any sort of attack on your knowledge or information, and I'm sure that you could provide the list with quite a detailed synopsis of the situation. I was making a general comment about the 'willingness' of others to also help track down a problem (I think that the last count was 5 independent users with help for this particular inquiry) and the benefit it would have for others with issues in the same area. I'm sorry but I don't have anything as elaborate as a 'KILL LIST' that I can offer to add you to. Thank you for all your time. David Peterson. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 20:15:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25708 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25699 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.10] (user10.dataplex.net [208.2.87.10]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04923; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:13:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3556658D.7A1776B2@crp.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:10:08 -0500 To: pedro From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: homenetwork Cc: "\"freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG\"" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 9:42 PM -0500 5/10/98, pedro wrote: >Richard Wackerbarth wrote: >> Would you prefer to handle this query? I can always add you to my >> kill list so that I am not bothered by the traffic. >Add me to your kill list?????? Sorry.....Did I miss something? Only that, if I am not the one helping this individual, I could care less about the details of his problem. It will be nice to know when you have managed to get him fixed up and the nature of the fundamental problem. However, the dozen or so transactions it usually takes to step a new user through the maze are just clutter in my in-basket. I'll divert them to the ultra-low priority pile and then, in a few days, read only the last message or two of the thread. >I was making a general comment about the 'willingness' > of others to also help track down a problem (I think that the last count > was 5 independent users with help for this particular inquiry) and the > benefit it would have for others with issues in the same area. And, I suspect that is three or four more than are necessary. Too many cooks .... IMHO, one knowledgable, willing mentor is adequate. More may cause as much confusion as they eliminate because they are not working in a coordinated manner. If you are willing to take the assignment, be my guest. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 20:26:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27094 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wna1.wna-linknet.com (root@wna1.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27061 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:26:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com) Received: from RED_DWARF (cust129.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.129]) by wna1.wna-linknet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA06691; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35566ECF.72DE@wna-linknet.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:21:51 -0500 From: "Arnold J. Rimmer" Reply-To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Organization: Jupiter Mining Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Wackerbarth CC: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: home network References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > > At 9:24 PM -0500 5/10/98, Arnold J. Rimmer wrote: > > >ping 192.168.1.255 from windoze box results: > >timed out > > No one answers pings to the broadcast address. > > > > >ping 192.168.1.1 from windoze box results: > >pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data: > >reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<10ms ttl=128 > > > >ping localhost results: > >pinging missarlene.my.domain [127.0.0.1] with 32 bytes of data: > >reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<10ms ttl=128 > > But the "ping" of interest is ping 192.168.1.2 > > Richard Wackerbarth ping 192.168.1.2 from windoze box results: timed out ping 192.168.1.1 from freebsd box results: PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56 data bytes: ping: send to: Host is down ping: wrote 192.168.1.1 64 chars, ret=-1 AJR / If you get to it / and you cannot do it / there you jolly well are / aren't you? ...Lord Buckley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 20:42:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28690 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:42:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28658 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (localhost.softweyr.com [127.0.0.1]) by softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA10662; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35567386.7E493152@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:41:58 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dg@root.com CC: Julian Elischer , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Have I left something out? References: <199805100532.WAA16228@implode.root.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Greenman wrote: > >"The Right Way" to fix it is with a function that walks the route table > >and deletes all the routes whose ifp points to the ifnet being detached. > >I haven't had time to poke into the FreeBSD sources yet. If nobody else > >gets this, I'll look into it as soon as I get my plate cleared at work > >a bit. > > This is normally done by the routing daemon. In the case of routed, it > scans the list of interfaces periodically for changes. For gated, it has > a socket open for up/down change events and takes care of business as soon > as it sees the change. I'm inclined to think that this functionality > should stay in the route daemon where it has always been since deleting > the routes to the interface may not be the correct course of action. There was some naive code in the 4.2-based VxWorks stack that would actually attempt to route code through these "dangling" ifp pointers. This apparently led to occasional system crashes. We should at least make certain this is not the case in the FreeBSD code. Our IP routing team decided it was never appropriate to leave routes through detached interfaces in the current routing table. Your mileage may vary. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun May 10 20:50:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01108 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01072 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (localhost.softweyr.com [127.0.0.1]) by softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA10704; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35567577.3AFFEA12@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:50:15 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Evren Yurtesen CC: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: router References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Evren Yurtesen wrote: > > how can I use freebsd like a router between 2 interfaces > or gateway > like ed0 and ed1 ? > hmm, my network configuration is like > ed1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 195.174.18.16 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 195.174.18.255 > ether 00:80:48:eb:ac:2b > ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 > ether 00:20:18:10:86:1b > I want to connect my windows boxes to ed0 > and set gateway to 192.168.1.1 > > hmm how can I do that? > I tried it with natd and ipfw and it is working > but I want to do it withoud using ipfw! > how can I do it? In /etc/rc.conf, setup your machine to be a gateway: ### Network routing options: ### defaultrouter="204.68.178.2" # Set to default gateway (or NO). static_routes="" # Set to static route list (or leave empty). gateway_enable="NO" # Set to YES if this host will be a gateway. Change gateway_enable to "YES". This will turn on IP packet forwarding on the next system boot. In the meantime, you can turn it on (as root) with: sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon May 11 01:21:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02717 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:21:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02709 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:21:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.10] (user10.dataplex.net [208.2.87.10]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA05487; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:21:08 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35566ECF.72DE@wna-linknet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 03:21:33 -0500 To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: home network Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:21 PM -0500 5/10/98, Arnold J. Rimmer wrote: >> But the "ping" of interest is ping 192.168.1.2 >ping 192.168.1.2 from windoze box results: >timed out > >ping 192.168.1.1 from freebsd box results: >PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56 data bytes: >ping: send to: Host is down >ping: wrote 192.168.1.1 64 chars, ret=-1 :-( I thought that the netmask was the culprit. To recap: On the FreeBSD box, ifconfig -a netstat -rn arp -a On the windoze box, (anything that you can provide) Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon May 11 04:09:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA22578 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:09:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from avrasya.ispro.net.tr (avrasya.ispro.net.tr [195.174.18.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA22040 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:08:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net.tr) Received: from localhost (yurtesen@localhost) by avrasya.ispro.net.tr (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03790; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:04:32 +0300 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:04:32 +0300 (EET DST) From: Evren Yurtesen To: Wes Peters cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: router In-Reply-To: <35567577.3AFFEA12@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I did it but it is not working as a gateway.... I do not know what I am doing wrong, what should I do? +--------------------------------------------------------+ | Name : Evren Yurtesen - yurtesen@ispro.net.tr | | S-mail: Mithatpasa Cad. No:1079/13 35290 Guzelyali | | Home:+90-232-2857604 Work:+90-232-2463992 Izmir/TURKEY | +--------------------------------------------------------+ On Sun, 10 May 1998, Wes Peters wrote: > Evren Yurtesen wrote: > > > > how can I use freebsd like a router between 2 interfaces > > or gateway > > like ed0 and ed1 ? > > hmm, my network configuration is like > > ed1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > > inet 195.174.18.16 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 195.174.18.255 > > ether 00:80:48:eb:ac:2b > > ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > > inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 > > ether 00:20:18:10:86:1b > > I want to connect my windows boxes to ed0 > > and set gateway to 192.168.1.1 > > > > hmm how can I do that? > > I tried it with natd and ipfw and it is working > > but I want to do it withoud using ipfw! > > how can I do it? > > In /etc/rc.conf, setup your machine to be a gateway: > > ### Network routing options: ### > defaultrouter="204.68.178.2" # Set to default gateway (or NO). > static_routes="" # Set to static route list (or leave empty). > gateway_enable="NO" # Set to YES if this host will be a gateway. > > Change gateway_enable to "YES". This will turn on IP packet forwarding > on the next system boot. In the meantime, you can turn it on (as root) > with: > > sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon May 11 05:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01439 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 05:25:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA01431 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 05:24:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.10] (user10.dataplex.net [208.2.87.10]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07822; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:24:36 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <35567577.3AFFEA12@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:23:41 -0500 To: Evren Yurtesen From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: router Cc: Wes Peters , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 7:04 AM -0500 5/11/98, Evren Yurtesen wrote: >I did it but it is not working as a gateway.... >I do not know what I am doing wrong, >what should I do? The default router is not connected to your machine. >> defaultrouter="204.68.178.2" # Set to default gateway (or NO). is not on either the 195.174.18.0/24 or 192.168.1.0/24 network. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon May 11 12:59:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10098 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from clutch.accrue.com (mail.accrue.com [207.86.139.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10080 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@accrue.com) Received: from seatbelt.accrue.com (seatbelt.accrue.com [207.86.139.217]) by clutch.accrue.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18104 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from accrue.com (localhost.accrue.com [127.0.0.1]) by seatbelt.accrue.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00374 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35575801.985C55ED@accrue.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:56:49 -0700 From: Andrew Sharp Organization: Accrue Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: home network References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm going to jump in here and add another cook. Hopefully I won't make a complete fool of meeself. It seems that the software is "working" on both systems, as the pings to x.x.1.1 would seem to indicate. so the problem is that the two systems can't actually see each other: ie., a hardware problem. start checking hardware-related stuff: are the drivers on both systems capable of auto-detecting/setting media types? are either of the cards not in auto-media mode and hard-configured for TP or AUI/thick-net or somesuch? perhaps one or more of the cards is sufficiently old that it doesn't even have the capability of auto-media-ing, and has to be configured to one media or another using some utility. do the cards in question have link-leds? check them to see that they are on. do you have more than one cable/terminator(s) that you can switch around to see if one or more is bad? where did you get the cable? it needs to be the right impedence...ie., leftover cable from when the TV cable installation guy was there won't work. Just kidding. It IS a home network... are the cards known good? I've had more than one "it's just dead" ISA networking card from 3com in my day. if you've got diagnostics, try them. you can put a terminator on both ends of the t-conn and do card/loopback diags. on the freeBSD box, arp -a should say something about both the dos and bsd interfaces on your network. if it just returns w/ no output, your arp is worse than your byte. sorry. if arp -a gives no output, then it seems to me that your hardware link isn't working. a Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > > At 10:21 PM -0500 5/10/98, Arnold J. Rimmer wrote: > >> But the "ping" of interest is ping 192.168.1.2 > > >ping 192.168.1.2 from windoze box results: > >timed out > > > >ping 192.168.1.1 from freebsd box results: > >PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56 data bytes: > >ping: send to: Host is down > >ping: wrote 192.168.1.1 64 chars, ret=-1 > > :-( > I thought that the netmask was the culprit. > > To recap: > On the FreeBSD box, > ifconfig -a > netstat -rn > arp -a > > On the windoze box, > (anything that you can provide) > > Richard Wackerbarth > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon May 11 14:53:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28182 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28175 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:53:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: (from wes@localhost) by softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA12212 for freebsd-net@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes) From: Wes Peters Message-Id: <199805112153.PAA12212@softweyr.com> Subject: Help with RAW sockets... To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:53:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to write a program to send specially formatted ARP requests and replies to the ethernet broadcast address. This tool will be used to debug ARP responses. I think I should be able to do this with a SOCK_RAW,IPPROTO_RAW socket, but just do not grock what address to use in the sendto calls. Can anyone here in FreeBSD net land help me? Suggestions, snippets of source, any help at all will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon May 11 20:42:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21612 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21597 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:42:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id UAA00558; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000556; Mon May 11 20:41:38 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA23360; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:41:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199805120341.UAA23360@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Help with RAW sockets... In-Reply-To: <199805112153.PAA12212@softweyr.com> from Wes Peters at "May 11, 98 03:53:22 pm" To: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters writes: > I'm trying to write a program to send specially formatted ARP > requests and replies to the ethernet broadcast address. This tool > will be used to debug ARP responses. I think I should be able to > do this with a SOCK_RAW,IPPROTO_RAW socket, but just do not grock > what address to use in the sendto calls. > > Can anyone here in FreeBSD net land help me? Suggestions, snippets > of source, any help at all will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Your task might be easier by using BPF.. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 00:00:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16424 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16349 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:59:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (localhost.softweyr.com [127.0.0.1]) by softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12972; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3557F363.640C98C2@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:59:47 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Archie Cobbs CC: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with RAW sockets... References: <199805120341.UAA23360@bubba.whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters lamented: > I'm trying to write a program to send specially formatted ARP > requests and replies to the ethernet broadcast address. This tool > will be used to debug ARP responses. I think I should be able to > do this with a SOCK_RAW,IPPROTO_RAW socket, but just do not grock > what address to use in the sendto calls. Archie Cobbs wrote: % Your task might be easier by using BPF.. Yeah, it just might. I'll take a lot at it. Thanks! -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 00:20:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19991 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:20:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA19980 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:20:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (localhost.softweyr.com [127.0.0.1]) by softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA13041; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:19:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3557F813.BC9F0C9E@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:19:47 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Evren Yurtesen CC: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: router References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Evren Yurtesen wrote: > > I did it but it is not working as a gateway.... > I do not know what I am doing wrong, > what should I do? What do your routes look like? Send me/us the output of: ifconfig -a netstat -rn so we can see what's happening on your machine. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 01:00:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24193 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.iki.rssi.ru (mx.iki.rssi.ru [193.232.212.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23985 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richi@tdis.gctc.rssi.ru) Received: from tdis.gctc.rssi.ru (tdis.gctc.rssi.ru [193.232.26.70]) by mx.iki.rssi.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19145 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:59:51 +0500 (MSD) Received: from tdis by tdis.gctc.rssi.ru (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01314; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:55:27 -0300 Message-Id: <355862DE.35A4CC5E@tdis.gctc.rssi.ru> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:55:26 -0300 From: "Andrew A.Karjagin" Organization: Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: aui/utp/bnc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2AB06BE82B2160FD6D4DFCE3" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------2AB06BE82B2160FD6D4DFCE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a FreeBSD 2.2.5 and ethernet card 3c509. It card have three connectors : aui/utp/bnc. By default it card work with utp-connector, but my LAN work with bnc-connectors. How can I configure it card from utp to bnc-connector? Thank you very much! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Best regards Andrew A.Karjagin Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center Star town, Russia ICQ = 4744622 --------------2AB06BE82B2160FD6D4DFCE3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a FreeBSD 2.2.5 and ethernet card 3c509. It card have three connectors : aui/utp/bnc. By default it card work with utp-connector, but my LAN work with bnc-connectors. How can I configure it card from utp to bnc-connector? Thank you very much!
Best regards    Andrew A.Karjagin
Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center
Star town, Russia
ICQ = 4744622

  --------------2AB06BE82B2160FD6D4DFCE3-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 02:45:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05681 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:45:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gras-varg.worldgate.com (skafte@gras-varg.worldgate.com [198.161.84.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05676 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:45:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skafte@worldgate.com) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by gras-varg.worldgate.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id DAA04882; Tue, 12 May 1998 03:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19980512034502.A4812@worldgate.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:45:03 -0600 From: Greg Skafte To: "Andrew A.Karjagin" , "freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: aui/utp/bnc References: <355862DE.35A4CC5E@tdis.gctc.rssi.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <355862DE.35A4CC5E@tdis.gctc.rssi.ru>; from Andrew A.Karjagin on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 11:55:26AM -0300 Organization: WorldGate Inc. X-PGP-Fingerprint: 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 X-URL: http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Andrew A.Karjagin (richi@tdis.gctc.rssi.ru) On Subject: aui/utp/bnc Date: Tue, May 12, 1998 at 11:55:26AM -0300 > I have a FreeBSD 2.2.5 and ethernet card 3c509. It card have three > connectors : aui/utp/bnc. By default it card work with utp-connector, > but my LAN work with bnc-connectors. How can I configure it card from > utp to bnc-connector? Thank you very much! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Best regards Andrew A.Karjagin > Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center > Star town, Russia > ICQ = 4744622 > > man 4 ep ifconfig ep0 -link0 link1 that should do it -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 05:38:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA24938 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 05:38:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA24894; Tue, 12 May 1998 05:36:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from yggdrasil.ifi.uio.no (2602@yggdrasil.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.182]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id OAA04640; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:36:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by yggdrasil.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:36:50 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 May 1998 14:36:49 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Weee, a lot of things have been happening lately. To sum it up briefly, the Department of Informatics (Ifi) at the University of Oslo has an IPng research lab (Norway's first IPv6 installation). And one of the computers (fixus) there is running FreeBSD... Being one of the very few FreeBSD-competent persons at Ifi, and the only one daring enough (or stupid enough) to just walk in and ask for an account, I am now sysadmin on fixus :) The problem is that the INRIA IPv6 stack (which, according to our IPv6 experts, is the best one available) only runs on FreeBSD 2.2.5R, and I really, really want to run 3.0-CURRENT (or at the very least 2.2.6-STABLE) on it. So I have three choices (in descending order of workload): - upgrade to STABLE or CURRENT, and port INRIA IPv6 to that. - switch to a different IPv6 implementation (the other people using this machine might object). - forget it. Naturally, I would prefer the first alternative. It is MHO (and I have voiced it before) that FreeBSD should jump on board the IPv6 train as soon as possible. I have just sent an e-mail to Francis Dupont (author of the INRIA IPv6 stack) expressing more or less what I am writing here. So how do you feel about integrating the INRIA IPv6 stack into FreeBSD CURRENT? -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 06:34:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01768 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:34:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01673; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:32:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id QAA07424; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:32:39 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:32:39 +0300 (EEST) From: Petri Helenius To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav ) Cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13656.20319.45529.52989@silver.sms.fi> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id GAA01676 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav ) writes: > > Naturally, I would prefer the first alternative. It is MHO (and I have > voiced it before) that FreeBSD should jump on board the IPv6 train as > soon as possible. I have just sent an e-mail to Francis Dupont (author > of the INRIA IPv6 stack) expressing more or less what I am writing > here. > > So how do you feel about integrating the INRIA IPv6 stack into FreeBSD > CURRENT? > I would definetly like to see that happen. Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 06:46:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03808 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:46:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03482; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:43:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id VAA15063; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:40:55 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805121340.VAA15063@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Petri Helenius cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ), net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 16:32:39 +0300." <13656.20319.45529.52989@silver.sms.fi> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:40:54 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Petri Helenius wrote: > dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm=F8rgrav ) writes: > > = > > Naturally, I would prefer the first alternative. It is MHO (and I ha= ve > > voiced it before) that FreeBSD should jump on board the IPv6 train a= s > > soon as possible. I have just sent an e-mail to Francis Dupont (auth= or > > of the INRIA IPv6 stack) expressing more or less what I am writing > > here. > > = > > So how do you feel about integrating the INRIA IPv6 stack into FreeB= SD > > CURRENT? > > = > I would definetly like to see that happen. > = > Pete I believe one of the NetBSD folks suggested that they were intending on = using the INRIA stack as their baseline. I don't know if that's still th= e = plan there or not. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 07:13:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07544 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07373; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:12:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00159; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "12 May 1998 14:36:49 +0200." Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:11:14 -0700 Message-ID: <155.894982274@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The problem is that the INRIA IPv6 stack (which, according to our IPv6 > experts, is the best one available) only runs on FreeBSD 2.2.5R, and I > really, really want to run 3.0-CURRENT (or at the very least > 2.2.6-STABLE) on it. So I have three choices (in descending order of > workload): I believe that the WIDE stuff already runs under -current. > Naturally, I would prefer the first alternative. It is MHO (and I have > voiced it before) that FreeBSD should jump on board the IPv6 train as > soon as possible. I have just sent an e-mail to Francis Dupont (author > of the INRIA IPv6 stack) expressing more or less what I am writing > here. > > So how do you feel about integrating the INRIA IPv6 stack into FreeBSD > CURRENT? Erm, unfortunately, the WIDE project in Japan recently approached us (well, Mike, myself and DG at any rate) with essentially the exact same proposal and now we're seriously stuck trying to figure out what to do. Obviously there can't be TWO IPv6 implementations in -current, so which to choose? :-( - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 07:23:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09854 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:23:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08734; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:19:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from yggdrasil.ifi.uio.no (2602@yggdrasil.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.182]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id QAA18890; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:19:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by yggdrasil.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:19:28 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <155.894982274@time.cdrom.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 May 1998 16:19:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 07:11:14 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > So how do you feel about integrating the INRIA IPv6 stack into FreeBSD > > CURRENT? > Erm, unfortunately, the WIDE project in Japan recently approached us > (well, Mike, myself and DG at any rate) with essentially the exact > same proposal and now we're seriously stuck trying to figure out what > to do. Obviously there can't be TWO IPv6 implementations in -current, > so which to choose? :-( Hmm... both? shouldn't really be too difficult as long as you don't try to compile a kernel with both of them together. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 07:47:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13773 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:47:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wna1.wna-linknet.com (root@wna1.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13752 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:47:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com) Received: from RED_DWARF (cust122.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.122]) by wna1.wna-linknet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03534 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35586010.5E26@wna-linknet.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:43:28 -0500 From: "Arnold J. Rimmer" Reply-To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Organization: Jupiter Mining Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: home network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org arp -a on windoze box: no entries found on bsd box: missarlene(192.168.1.20) incomplete netstat -rn on windoze box: network address for bsd box missing; gateways, netmask, interfaces all appear appropriate. on bsd box: same except address for windoze box is absent. ifconfig -a is as i indicated previously (after correcting typo): ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 ether 00:00:c0:0f:62:9b no such command in windoze ok as to hardware. loopback test with T-connector and 2 terminators failed on windoze box. auto media detect is on. LED's are present and flash. cables are not leftovers from cable guy. they are new. as are terminators and T-connectors., but i only have the 2 of each, so i cannot test if they are good. diagnostics seemed ok on windize box, except failed loopback test. BUT on bsd box i had a failed ram test/memory conflict. the setup program allows 2 addressing modes: ram base and i/o mapped. i set to ram base and used 0d800 and set kernal to this as well. the setup only allows a range of c000 - ee00 step 200. kernal apparently has much larger range 000000 - ffffff (?). is there provision for i/o mapping? auto media detection is on; PnP is off. testing would not progress to loopback: stopped when ram test failed. i tried setting the address base to i/o mapping on the setup program and of course, not the bsd box won't boot. don't have time to fiddle with it now...it's off to work i go. hopefully someone will point me in the right direction between now and the time i get home. thanx all... AJR To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 07:48:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13989 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:48:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13721; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:47:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00352; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "12 May 1998 16:19:28 +0200." Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:46:20 -0700 Message-ID: <348.894984380@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hmm... both? shouldn't really be too difficult as long as you don't > try to compile a kernel with both of them together. Well, is there any possibility that someone from INRIA could "get together" with someone from the WIDE project in the near future to discuss commonalities of implementation? As Garrett said, things which are pertinent to _both_ implementations would certainly be more than welcome at this time. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 08:16:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17749 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:16:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rodent.crp.com.au (rodent.crp.com.au [203.13.222.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17739 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pedro@crp.com.au) Received: from senator (senator.crp.com.au [203.13.222.42]) by rodent.crp.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA03052; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:17:07 GMT Message-ID: <35571778.1908360F@crp.com.au> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:21:28 +1000 From: David Peterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Skafte CC: "freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: aui/utp/bnc X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <355862DE.35A4CC5E@tdis.gctc.rssi.ru> <19980512034502.A4812@worldgate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Skafte wrote: > Quoting Andrew A.Karjagin (richi@tdis.gctc.rssi.ru) > On Subject: aui/utp/bnc > Date: Tue, May 12, 1998 at 11:55:26AM -0300 > > > I have a FreeBSD 2.2.5 and ethernet card 3c509. It card have three > > connectors : aui/utp/bnc. By default it card work with > utp-connector, > > but my LAN work with bnc-connectors. How can I configure it card > from > > utp to bnc-connector? Thank you very much! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Best regards Andrew A.Karjagin > > Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center > > Star town, Russia > > ICQ = 4744622 > > > > > > man 4 ep > > ifconfig ep0 -link0 link1 > > that should do it > > -- > Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 > 421 4929 > #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J > 3H1 > -- > > -- > When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a > whole > lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the > simplest > thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet > Morris) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message I had the same problem with a 3c509tp (2ports utp/aui). When FreeBSD 2.2.6 loaded the drivers for thecard it would give me the message to 'Turn off auto-detect'. The way I got around it was to create a dos bootable disk. Download the latest 3Com Config utilities for the card. Start up with the boot disk, run the config util. and set whichever port I wanted to use and rebooted FreeBSD. I know it's prtty long winded, but it's a pretty stable alternative. David Peterson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 08:33:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20723 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20533; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:32:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA11104; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805121520.IAA11104@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Peter Wemm Cc: Petri Helenius , dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ), net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:20:40 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 May 1998 21:40:54 +0800 Peter Wemm wrote: > I believe one of the NetBSD folks suggested that they were intending on = > > using the INRIA stack as their baseline. I don't know if that's still th= > e = > > plan there or not. Yes, we plan on integrating INRIA into our source tree. Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: +1 408 866 1912 NAS: M/S 258-5 Work: +1 650 604 0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: +1 650 428 6939 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 10:41:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13024 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:41:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12599; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:39:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id TAA12209; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:39:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:39:34 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <348.894984380@time.cdrom.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 May 1998 19:39:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 07:46:20 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > Hmm... both? shouldn't really be too difficult as long as you don't > > try to compile a kernel with both of them together. > Well, is there any possibility that someone from INRIA could "get > together" with someone from the WIDE project [...] In the meantime, (and concerning my more immediate problem of running IPv6 on something newer than 2.2.5) Francis Dupont has told me that he has finished porting his stack to FreeBSD 2.2.6, so at least I won't have to run 2.2.5. But I still would like to run STABLE, and any attempt to cvsup will clobber the IPv6 code... I have also taken a look at the WIDE stack, and at first glance it seems to be much better packaged than the INRIA stack, but I am not in a position to compare the quality of the two implementations. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 10:49:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15183 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:49:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14600; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:46:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05691; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:45:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199805121745.KAA05691@austin.polstra.com> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "12 May 1998 19:39:34 +0200." Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:45:55 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > But I still would like to run STABLE, and any attempt to cvsup will > clobber the IPv6 code... I'd suggest: CVSup the CVS repository "cvs checkout" the -stable sources Apply the IPv6 patches in your working directory In the future, use "cvs update" to update your sources CVS update usually does a pretty good job of merging with any local changes that you have in your working directory. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 11:06:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20180 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:06:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gvr.gvr.org (root@gvr.gvr.org [194.151.74.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19352; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from guido@gvr.org) Received: (from guido@localhost) by gvr.gvr.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA18013; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:02:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: Guido van Rooij Message-Id: <199805121802.UAA18013@gvr.gvr.org> Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199805121340.VAA15063@spinner.netplex.com.au> from Peter Wemm at "May 12, 98 09:40:54 pm" To: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:02:27 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pete@sms.fi, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I believe one of the NetBSD folks suggested that they were intending on = > > using the INRIA stack as their baseline. I don't know if that's still th= > e = > > plan there or not. Same for OpenBSD. I once brought up the subject but the general feeling of otehrs was that it would not have the encryption stuff in. I don't really care. We can bring it in from somewhere else. >From what I've heart, the INRIA stack is indeed a good one so I would opt for the INRIA one (I do not have personal experience with it though). -Guido To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 11:07:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20283 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:07:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19850; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id UAA14630; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:05:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:05:04 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: John Polstra Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <199805121745.KAA05691@austin.polstra.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 May 1998 20:05:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: John Polstra's message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 10:45:55 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra writes: > > But I still would like to run STABLE, and any attempt to cvsup will > > clobber the IPv6 code... > [...] > CVS update usually does a pretty good job of merging with any local > changes that you have in your working directory. I know; I have a repository at home. Unfortunately, I don't have 450 MB of disk space available on fixus. I can try to get permission to store my repository somewhere else though... -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 11:12:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21983 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:12:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (jonny@roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21966 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:12:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonny@coe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11465; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:11:57 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199805121811.PAA11465@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: home network In-Reply-To: <35586010.5E26@wna-linknet.com> from "Arnold J. Rimmer" at "May 12, 98 09:43:28 am" To: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:11:57 -0300 (EST) Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Arnold J. Rimmer) // ifconfig -a is as i indicated previously (after correcting typo): // ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 // inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 // ether 00:00:c0:0f:62:9b // // no such command in windoze winipcfg, at least on winblows 95. // ok as to hardware. loopback test with T-connector and 2 terminators // failed on windoze box. auto media detect is on. LED's are present and // flash. cables are not leftovers from cable guy. they are new. as are // terminators and T-connectors., but i only have the 2 of each, so i // cannot test if they are good. Can't you find a ohmmeter around ? It's still the most useful tool and cost/benefit ratio for coax cable analysis. :) // diagnostics seemed ok on windize box, except failed loopback test. BUT // on bsd box i had a failed ram test/memory conflict. the setup program // allows 2 addressing modes: ram base and i/o mapped. i set to ram base // and used 0d800 and set kernal to this as well. the setup only allows a // range of c000 - ee00 step 200. kernal apparently has much larger range // 000000 - ffffff (?). is there provision for i/o mapping? auto media // detection is on; PnP is off. testing would not progress to loopback: // stopped when ram test failed. I strongly suspect of hardware problems. If you can fix this, try also the remote repeater test. Hope your card's diagnostic program has this test. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@coppe.ufrj.br M.Sc. Student Electrical Engineering Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 11:35:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27802 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:35:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27164; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:33:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02994; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:31:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Guido van Rooij cc: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm), pete@sms.fi, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 20:02:27 +0200." <199805121802.UAA18013@gvr.gvr.org> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:31:42 -0700 Message-ID: <2990.894997902@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From what I've heart, the INRIA stack is indeed a good one so I would > opt for the INRIA one (I do not have personal experience with it though). And that's the real essence of the problem here... Most of the people who've even bothered to formulate an opinion on this issue so far have also yet to actually seriously _look_ at any of the available implementations. :-( I appreciate that people's time is limited, especially for bleeding-edge issues like IPv6, but perhaps a working group could be formed at this point to go actually study the various options far more substantially before we move on to the stage of talking seriously about committing anything? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 12:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11702 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from clutch.accrue.com (mail.accrue.com [207.86.139.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11524 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:51:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@accrue.com) Received: from seatbelt.accrue.com (seatbelt.accrue.com [207.86.139.217]) by clutch.accrue.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15722; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from accrue.com (localhost.accrue.com [127.0.0.1]) by seatbelt.accrue.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03032; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3558A7AE.13565C19@accrue.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:49:02 -0700 From: Andrew Sharp Organization: Accrue Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG CC: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Subject: Re: home network References: <199805121811.PAA11465@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > > #define quoting(Arnold J. Rimmer) > // ifconfig -a is as i indicated previously (after correcting typo): > // ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > // inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 > // ether 00:00:c0:0f:62:9b > // > // no such command in windoze > > winipcfg, at least on winblows 95. ipconfig on NT. use winipcfg -a or /a or \a or whatever their problem is. > > // ok as to hardware. loopback test with T-connector and 2 terminators > // failed on windoze box. auto media detect is on. LED's are present and > // flash. cables are not leftovers from cable guy. they are new. as are > // terminators and T-connectors., but i only have the 2 of each, so i > // cannot test if they are good. > > Can't you find a ohmmeter around ? It's still the most useful tool > and cost/benefit ratio for coax cable analysis. :) > > // diagnostics seemed ok on windize box, except failed loopback test. BUT > // on bsd box i had a failed ram test/memory conflict. the setup program > // allows 2 addressing modes: ram base and i/o mapped. i set to ram base > // and used 0d800 and set kernal to this as well. the setup only allows a > // range of c000 - ee00 step 200. kernal apparently has much larger range > // 000000 - ffffff (?). is there provision for i/o mapping? auto media > // detection is on; PnP is off. testing would not progress to loopback: > // stopped when ram test failed. > > I strongly suspect of hardware problems. If you can fix this, > try also the remote repeater test. Hope your card's diagnostic > program has this test. the chances are zero - none that your card will work in normal operation if it can't even pass a loopback test. you've got to solve that on the dos box before you will get any of this to work. do what you need to do to get that to work. also, remember that freebsd drivers rarely (never?) handle auto-media sensing. so get the utility and set it to bnc or use the ifconfig command someone mentioned in one of the other messages posted on this list. that looks pretty nifty if it works, actually, i have use for it myself. a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 12:55:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12438 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12164; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id VAA25125; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:53:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:53:04 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Guido van Rooij , peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm), pete@sms.fi, net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <2990.894997902@time.cdrom.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 12 May 1998 21:53:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 11:31:42 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > I appreciate that people's time is limited, especially for > bleeding-edge issues like IPv6, but perhaps a working group could be > formed at this point to go actually study the various options far more > substantially before we move on to the stage of talking seriously > about committing anything? That is indeed a good idea. I have myself little experience with IPv6 - though I plan to get some fast :) - but my general impression is that the INRIA stack is, for the time being, better than the WIDE stack, but that the WIDE stack is catching up. Also, the packaging of the WIDE stack is such that integrating it into FreeBSD would be far less work than integrating the INRIA stack (amongst other things, it is much better documented, and is distributed as a set of patches rather than a collection of replacement files). Then again, the INRIA stack is being developed in France, so naturally I am slightly partial to it ;) -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 16:24:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22118 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:24:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21899; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id BAA03087; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:23:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id AAA17930 for core@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:58:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980513005824.B17879@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:58:24 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD Mail-Followup-To: core@FreeBSD.ORG References: <348.894984380@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: <348.894984380@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 07:46:20AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4274 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jordan K. Hubbard: > discuss commonalities of implementation? As Garrett said, things > which are pertinent to _both_ implementations would certainly be more > than welcome at this time. If I remember well, there are at least two WIDE implementations, one kernel-based and one using a user-mode daemon. I've not tried the WIDE ones but the INRIA code is heavily used in France where FreeBSD is one of the most used IPv6 platforms... FWIW IBM has chosen the INRIA as its IPv6 stack for AIX. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #8: Tue Apr 21 02:45:53 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 16:25:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22359 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:25:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21856; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:22:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id BAA03086; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:22:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id AAA17923 for core@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:56:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980513005604.A17879@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:56:04 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD Mail-Followup-To: core@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpk97r64ym=2Efsf=40yggdrasil=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_f?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?rom_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Tue=2C_May_12=2C_199?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?8_at_02:36:49PM_+0200?= X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4274 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav : > - upgrade to STABLE or CURRENT, and port INRIA IPv6 to that. Already been done for CURRENT by a friend of mine and new committer (Pierre Beyssac), and available at . -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #8: Tue Apr 21 02:45:53 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 17:10:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01236 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:10:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00646; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:06:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id DAA08559; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:06:13 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:06:13 +0300 (EEST) From: Petri Helenius To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Guido van Rooij , peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm), dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <2990.894997902@time.cdrom.com> References: <199805121802.UAA18013@gvr.gvr.org> <2990.894997902@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13656.58219.715765.24138@silver.sms.fi> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > From what I've heart, the INRIA stack is indeed a good one so I would > > opt for the INRIA one (I do not have personal experience with it though). > > And that's the real essence of the problem here... Most of the people > who've even bothered to formulate an opinion on this issue so far have > also yet to actually seriously _look_ at any of the available > implementations. :-( I've been using the INRIA stuff for >6 months now and I'm happy with that with the exception of the pain I've to go through when I need to match -stable patches to the INRIA code which gets up-ported only every now and then. > > I appreciate that people's time is limited, especially for > bleeding-edge issues like IPv6, but perhaps a working group could be > formed at this point to go actually study the various options far more > substantially before we move on to the stage of talking seriously > about committing anything? > IPv6 is going to hit the road sometime later this year and it'd be sad to see freebsd sitting on a bus stop at that time. Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue May 12 22:48:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16572 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:48:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kit.isi.edu (kit.isi.edu [128.9.160.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16529 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:48:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eddy@kit.isi.edu) Received: (from eddy@localhost) by kit.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA01244; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:50:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eddy) From: Rusty Eddy Message-Id: <199805130550.WAA01244@kit.isi.edu> Subject: Re: Help with RAW sockets... In-Reply-To: <3557F363.640C98C2@softweyr.com> from Wes Peters at "May 12, 98 00:59:47 am" To: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: archie@whistle.com, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Wes Peters lamented: > > I'm trying to write a program to send specially formatted ARP > > requests and replies to the ethernet broadcast address. This tool > > will be used to debug ARP responses. I think I should be able to > > do this with a SOCK_RAW,IPPROTO_RAW socket, but just do not grock > > what address to use in the sendto calls. > > Archie Cobbs wrote: > > % Your task might be easier by using BPF.. > > Yeah, it just might. I'll take a lot at it. Thanks! > Hello, I'm in the tail end of writting a program that will do the above. it's still rough around the edges but works well enough that i've been actively using it. http://www.isi.edu/~eddy/pkt/pkt-0.0.tgz it's not specific to ARP, rather it's a "general" purpose protocol tester. i use it for testing routing software i'm developing. it uses BPF (libpcap) for reading and writing. it's a Tcl extension, that allows the creation of arbitrary packets and read/write to and from devices... it's really easy to use. i'm actively polishing it up, so things will be changing pretty fast. you may find it overkill (but then again you may not :) feel free to check it out. i'll be away for the next couple days so i'm don't know how often i'll get to my email - rusty eddy@isi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 00:53:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03751 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03545; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no (2602@hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.130]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id JAA26467; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:51:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:51:16 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Petri Helenius Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Guido van Rooij , peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm), net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <199805121802.UAA18013@gvr.gvr.org> <2990.894997902@time.cdrom.com> <13656.58219.715765.24138@silver.sms.fi> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 13 May 1998 09:51:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: Petri Helenius's message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 03:06:13 +0300 (EEST)" Message-ID: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Petri Helenius writes: > > I appreciate that people's time is limited, especially for > > bleeding-edge issues like IPv6, but perhaps a working group could be > > formed at this point to go actually study the various options far more > > substantially before we move on to the stage of talking seriously > > about committing anything? > IPv6 is going to hit the road sometime later this year and it'd be sad > to see freebsd sitting on a bus stop at that time. Precisely. I think we need to say, "FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE will have full IPv6 support" and start doing something to make it happen. I am going to discuss this with some of the IPv6 researchers here and try to determine, in the course of the next few weeks, what the differences between the two implementions are and how significant they are. It seems clear to me that the WIDE implementation would be far easier to integrate than the INRIA implementation, so we might choose that if we're pressed for time. But we should also keep in mind that both stacks have different interfaces (e.g. different locations for IPv6 header files; INRIA places its headers in /usr/include/netinet/ and modifies some of the existing headers, whereas WIDE places its headers in /usr/include/netinet6/ and tries to modify as few existing files as possible). This means that whichever stack we choose, everyone developing software based on the other stack will either be stuck with 2.2.6 or forced to rewrite their software to some extent. The sooner we merge IPv6 into our tree, the fewer people will be inconvenienced. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 00:57:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA04757 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:57:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (root@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA04697 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:57:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W) with ESMTP id QAA12905 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:57:00 +0900 (JST) To: net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: v6 issues X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:57:00 +0900 Message-ID: <12901.895046220@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry that I was dead silent on this issue. I believed that I was subscribed to net@freebsd.org, but the subscription request email was lost somewhere in the cyberspace... I'm one of core programmer at WIDE IPv6 project. I'll try to answer many emails at once... jordan>> The problem is that the INRIA IPv6 stack (which, according to our IPv6 jordan>> experts, is the best one available) only runs on FreeBSD 2.2.5R, and I jordan>> really, really want to run 3.0-CURRENT (or at the very least jordan>> 2.2.6-STABLE) on it. So I have three choices (in descending order of jordan>> workload): jordan> I believe that the WIDE stuff already runs under -current. Current situation for WIDE IPv6 stack: Our primary release is for 2.2.6-RELEASE because it is too hard to keep track of 3.0-current, without merging our IPv6 stack into the repository in freefall. (two moving target in one repository is a hard one) Now I'm working on WIDE IPv6 stack on 3.0-SNAP980311, I'm doing my best to release this soon. And then there will be 3.0-current port. jordan> > Hmm... both? shouldn't really be too difficult as long as you don't jordan> > try to compile a kernel with both of them together. jordan> Well, is there any possibility that someone from INRIA could "get jordan> together" with someone from the WIDE project in the near future to jordan> discuss commonalities of implementation? As Garrett said, things jordan> which are pertinent to _both_ implementations would certainly be more jordan> than welcome at this time. Contact me anytime, I was looked at INRIA stack in the past but I thought that there were many things to be cleaned up. I should look into the recent snapshot to provide comparison report for two implementation. (of course it is better if somebody in neutral position can provide a comparison, maybe my eye is biased...) jordan> Erm, unfortunately, the WIDE project in Japan recently approached us jordan> (well, Mike, myself and DG at any rate) with essentially the exact jordan> same proposal and now we're seriously stuck trying to figure out what jordan> to do. Obviously there can't be TWO IPv6 implementations in -current, jordan> so which to choose? :-( After talking to Mike, he noted that we should say more about what we (WIDE IPv6 efforts) are aimed. I wrote up (draft) project overview for you. Any questions are welcome. WIDE IPv6 stack is now called KAME project, and it is full-time project for core workers. We can commit to maintain sys/netinet6 part if our stack is get merged into 3.0-current. http://www.kame.net/project-overview.html itojun@itojun.org itojun@kame.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 00:59:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA05018 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA04929; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:58:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA06880; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Ollivier Robert cc: core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 00:58:24 +0200." <19980513005824.B17879@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:57:23 -0700 Message-ID: <6876.895046243@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If I remember well, there are at least two WIDE implementations, one > kernel-based and one using a user-mode daemon. I've not tried the WIDE ones > but the INRIA code is heavily used in France where FreeBSD is one of the > most used IPv6 platforms... > > FWIW IBM has chosen the INRIA as its IPv6 stack for AIX. Sigh.. If we're to get any further with this, we really really need to get out of the realm of the political ("xxx is running our stack! We're #1!" :-) and into the realm of the technical. WHY is it better than the WIDE stuff? How and where? What are the _specific points of comparison_ that we need to be aware of? We've gotten to the stage where we're at now through the various IPv6 folks failing to talk to one another or look at the competing offerings, choosing instead to go focus exclusively on one specific favored implementation. That has to change or FreeBSD likely as not won't be adopting _anyone_'s IPv6 implementation because we're never going to get past the vague handwaving stage. Is it too much to ask that someone at INRIA take a look at the WIDE stuff in *detail* and vice-versa? Sorry to sound peeved, but it's been a frustrating exercise trying to get the various IPv6 camps to even consider working together and it seems that it's always been a "use OUR stack!" issue rather than "we'll get together,work something out and get back to you" with IPv6. This wouldn't fly in any other area of FreeBSD development and I fail to see why IPv6 should be any different. You folks have GOT to start working together because the current situation we have is just ludicrous! :-( :-( - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 01:09:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07332 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07286 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:09:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no (2602@hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.130]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id KAA28861; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:09:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:09:20 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues References: <12901.895046220@coconut.itojun.org> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 13 May 1998 10:09:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh's message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 16:57:00 +0900" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh writes: > After talking to Mike, he noted that we should say more about > what we (WIDE IPv6 efforts) are aimed. > I wrote up (draft) project overview for you. Any questions are > welcome. WIDE IPv6 stack is now called KAME project, and it is > full-time project for core workers. We can commit to maintain > sys/netinet6 part if our stack is get merged into 3.0-current. > http://www.kame.net/project-overview.html *bang* there, you just bought my soul. I have only two things to say: - The INRIA stack is being developed by a single person in a not-for- profit governmentatl research organisation. - The WIDE stack is being developed by a largish group of programmers backed by several of the world's largest technology corporations. I rest my case. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 01:13:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07905 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07835; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:12:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06979; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:11:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Petri Helenius cc: Guido van Rooij , peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm), dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 03:06:13 +0300." <13656.58219.715765.24138@silver.sms.fi> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:11:05 -0700 Message-ID: <6974.895047065@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've been using the INRIA stuff for >6 months now and I'm happy with > that with the exception of the pain I've to go through when I need to > match -stable patches to the INRIA code which gets up-ported only > every now and then. Great, great, now go run the WIDE stuff and tell us how it compares! :-) Seriously, that's the problem here. We don't need advocates who have tried only ONE implementation comprehensively - we can find plenty of such folks already and they don't help us at all in making a decision about which implementation to back. :-( - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 01:14:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08365 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:14:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07845; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no (2602@hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.130]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id KAA29269; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:12:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:12:19 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Ollivier Robert , core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <6876.895046243@time.cdrom.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 13 May 1998 10:12:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 00:57:23 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > Sigh.. If we're to get any further with this, we really really need > to get out of the realm of the political ("xxx is running our stack! > We're #1!" :-) and into the realm of the technical. WHY is it better > than the WIDE stuff? How and where? What are the _specific points of > comparison_ that we need to be aware of? Jordan, this is precisely what I am trying to do: compare the two implementations and find out where and how they differ. However, I need approval from above to do that. I'm going to do everything I can to get that approval. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 01:50:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14192 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13750; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07251; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: Ollivier Robert , core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "13 May 1998 10:12:18 +0200." Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:47:55 -0700 Message-ID: <7247.895049275@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Jordan, this is precisely what I am trying to do: compare the two > implementations and find out where and how they differ. However, I > need approval from above to do that. I'm going to do everything I can > to get that approval. Excellent! Approval from above, eh? Hey Dag, I'm not a priest, but I'm SURE that God would approve of you doing this work! :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 02:06:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16389 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (root@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16359 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:06:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W) with ESMTP id SAA13917; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:06:01 +0900 (JST) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: dag-erli's message of 13 May 1998 10:09:19 +0200. X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: v6 issues From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:06:01 +0900 Message-ID: <13913.895050361@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > - The WIDE stack is being developed by a largish group of programmers > backed by several of the world's largest technology corporations. It is true that researchers are from some corporations, but that is not my point. The key point is is aim of our research project is *to implement BSD-licensed IPv6 stack*. that's all. (those corporations MAY bring back the BSD-licensed source code and put that into routers/whatever) itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 02:07:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16705 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:07:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16431; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id LAA06844; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:05:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:05:50 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Ollivier Robert , core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <7247.895049275@time.cdrom.com> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 13 May 1998 11:05:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 01:47:55 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > Jordan, this is precisely what I am trying to do: compare the two > > implementations and find out where and how they differ. However, I > > need approval from above to do that. I'm going to do everything I can > > to get that approval. > Excellent! Approval from above, eh? Hey Dag, I'm not a priest, but Please use my *entire* first name :) > I'm SURE that God would approve of you doing this work! :-) I mean approval from the researchers who use fixus. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 02:10:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17397 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (itojun@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17116; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:09:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W/smtpfeed 0.63) with ESMTP id SAA13959; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:09:28 +0900 (JST) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: Petri Helenius , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Guido van Rooij , peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm), net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: dag-erli's message of 13 May 1998 09:51:15 +0200. X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:09:28 +0900 Message-ID: <13955.895050568@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I am going to discuss this with some of the IPv6 researchers here and >try to determine, in the course of the next few weeks, what the >differences between the two implementions are and how significant they >are. Looking forward to hearing from you, >both stacks have different interfaces (e.g. different locations for >IPv6 header files; INRIA places its headers in /usr/include/netinet/ >and modifies some of the existing headers, whereas WIDE places its >headers in /usr/include/netinet6/ and tries to modify as few existing >files as possible). This means that whichever stack we choose, All we have to conform for header file placement is two RFCs (RFC2133 and RFC2292). WIDE stack for 2.2.6 is aimed for plug-and-play installation so we do want to patch small number of files as possible so we have chosen to put those files into sys/netinet6. (of course, we are flexible about this and may try to move those into sys/netinet, if there's any significant differences) itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 02:22:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19120 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:22:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18941 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id LAA09152; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:21:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:21:55 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues References: <13913.895050361@coconut.itojun.org> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 13 May 1998 11:21:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh's message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 18:06:01 +0900" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh writes: > > - The WIDE stack is being developed by a largish group of programmers > > backed by several of the world's largest technology corporations. > It is true that researchers are from some corporations, but that > is not my point. It's not really mine either. My point is that there is a lot more effort being put into the WIDE stack than into the INRIA stack. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 02:22:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19299 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19236 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:22:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA12951; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:22:22 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id LAA08542; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:22:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980513112215.39031@follo.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:22:15 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Andrew Sharp , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: x5gb7uk9@wna-linknet.com Subject: Re: home network References: <199805121811.PAA11465@roma.coe.ufrj.br> <3558A7AE.13565C19@accrue.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <3558A7AE.13565C19@accrue.com>; from Andrew Sharp on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 12:49:02PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 12:49:02PM -0700, Andrew Sharp wrote: > also, remember that freebsd drivers rarely (never?) handle auto-media > sensing. This is wrong. I've not yet seen an NE2000 not auto-sense correctly. I believe (but I'm not going to be any money ;-) that the only drivers that have problems with auto-sense are the 3COM drivers. I made an attempt at adding auto-sense support to the vx driver (3C90X et al), but dropped it due to (a) the protocol for doing autosense seeming to be nonsensically specified (deadlocks, IIRC), and (b) somebody else saying they had started work on writing an entire new driver (which made further work meaningless). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 02:26:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20027 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:26:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19783; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id LAA09483; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:24:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:24:38 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Cc: Petri Helenius , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Guido van Rooij , peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm), net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <13955.895050568@coconut.itojun.org> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 13 May 1998 11:24:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh's message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 18:09:28 +0900" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh writes: > > both stacks have different interfaces (e.g. different locations for > > IPv6 header files; INRIA places its headers in /usr/include/netinet/ > > and modifies some of the existing headers, whereas WIDE places its > > headers in /usr/include/netinet6/ and tries to modify as few existing > > files as possible). This means that whichever stack we choose, > > All we have to conform for header file placement is two RFCs > (RFC2133 and RFC2292). WIDE stack for 2.2.6 is aimed for > plug-and-play installation so we do want to patch small number > of files as possible so we have chosen to put those files into > sys/netinet6. (of course, we are flexible about this and may try to > move those into sys/netinet, if there's any significant differences) My position on this is that if you consider IPv6 as a new, separate protocol (as I do) then it should go into a separate directory. If you consider it as an update of an older protocol, it should go into the same directory. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 03:43:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01504 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:43:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk ([212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01393; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02431; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:40:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805131040.MAA02431@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= at "May 13, 98 11:05:49 am" To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:40:42 +0200 (CEST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav who wrote: > > Excellent! Approval from above, eh? Hey Dag, I'm not a priest, but > > Please use my *entire* first name :) OK, I know what Dag-Erling is like, but what do you turn into when it gets dark ?? Nat-Erling ??? (Couldn't resist that one, sorry) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 03:52:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02881 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02609; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:51:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id MAA22286; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:51:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:51:06 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <199805131040.MAA02431@sos.freebsd.dk> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 13 May 1998 12:51:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Schmidt=27s?= message of =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Wed=2C?= 13 May 1998 =?iso-8859-1?Q?12=3A40=3A42?= +0200 (CEST)=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22?= Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA02620 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Søren Schmidt writes: > In reply to Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav who wrote: > > > Excellent! Approval from above, eh? Hey Dag, I'm not a priest, but > > Please use my *entire* first name :) > OK, I know what Dag-Erling is like, but what do you turn into when it > gets dark ?? Nat-Erling ??? Well, I haven't really thought about that but the good thing about my name is everybody keeps saying I'm good :) > (Couldn't resist that one, sorry) You're not the first one :) -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 05:53:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA22094 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA22034 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:53:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.10] (user10.dataplex.net [208.2.87.10]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05072; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:15:00 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13913.895050361@coconut.itojun.org> References: dag-erli's message of 13 May 1998 10:09:19 +0200. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:48:03 -0500 To: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: v6 issues Cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ), net@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id FAA22036 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav ) wrote: >> - The WIDE stack is being developed by a largish group of programmers >> backed by several of the world's largest technology corporations. At 4:06 AM -0500 5/13/98, Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh replied: > It is true that researchers are from some corporations, but that > is not my point. > The key point is is aim of our research project is *to implement > BSD-licensed IPv6 stack*. that's all. > (those corporations MAY bring back the BSD-licensed source code > and put that into routers/whatever) I think that the point that Dag-Erling was making is that your project has a larger resource pool dedicated to it. "group of programmers backed by .. corporations" as opposed to "a single person in a not-for-profit governmental research organisation." Personally, I think that the quality of the backing should not be considered lacking in either case. INRIA is well established and respected. Its backing is more than adequate to assure funding of its effort. As for the quality of the effort, "largish group" and "corporate funding" might work against the effort as much as it helps. Therefore, the only conclusion that I see fitting as that EITHER project is on better grounds that the FreeBSD project itself. We should compare the projects on their technical merits. These comparisons would include technical aspects such as accuracy and speed, and less technical, but important, things such as general compatability with our implementation methodology. I do not think that, at this point, either implementation is clearly superior. Adoption of either would be better than avoiding both. Of course, to the extent that the two implementations can agree on commonality of implementation, we have a "no brainer" in adopting that common component. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 11:35:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17761 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17399; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:33:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27541; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd027527; Wed May 13 18:26:34 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:26:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Petri Helenius , Guido van Rooij , Peter Wemm , dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <6974.895047065@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I guess the NRL version is no longer being used or what? On Wed, 13 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I've been using the INRIA stuff for >6 months now and I'm happy with > > that with the exception of the pain I've to go through when I need to > > match -stable patches to the INRIA code which gets up-ported only > > every now and then. > > Great, great, now go run the WIDE stuff and tell us how it compares! :-) > > Seriously, that's the problem here. We don't need advocates who have > tried only ONE implementation comprehensively - we can find plenty of > such folks already and they don't help us at all in making a decision > about which implementation to back. :-( > > - Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 12:24:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27432 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:24:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27408 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:24:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA02837 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:24:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WIDE/KAMI IPv6 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, for kicks I've been reviewing the KAMI and INRIA IPv6 stuff and have a few questions/comments on the KAMI code I've seen so far. What kind of crack prompted the need to do this: + #ifdef INET6 + in6_ifattach(&sc->arpcom.ac_if, IN6_IFT_802, + (caddr_t)sc->arpcom.ac_enaddr, 0); + #endif /* INET6 */ + in -every- 'supported' network driver's XXinit function. Is there any reason this code does not belong in ifattach() or ether_ifattach()? I may have an ungrounded opinion here but IMHO none of the networking protocols should have to muck with the actual drivers that transport their packets (save SLIP and PPP maybe and even then.) I was more or less under the impression (from reading code) that the established means of passing data from one layer to another was via XXX_output() / XXX_input() routines. /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 12:33:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28997 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from avrasya.ispro.net.tr (avrasya.ispro.net.tr [195.174.18.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28968 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net.tr) Received: from localhost (yurtesen@localhost) by avrasya.ispro.net.tr (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA22536 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:31:04 +0300 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:31:03 +0300 (EET DST) From: Evren Yurtesen To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello sorry maybe this is not a freebsd related problem but I do not know where else I can ask this question... at my office I want to expand my network with installing new hubs, how many hubs I can connect together? like this HUB------HUB------HUB-----... and what can happen if I install too many hubs like this? would it cause collusion on my network? (well another thing I should ask it, why does collusion occurs on a network?) again I am so sorry that I ask a question not really related to FreeBSD (well my server uses FreeBSD eh...) +--------------------------------------------------------+ | Name : Evren Yurtesen - yurtesen@ispro.net.tr | | S-mail: Mithatpasa Cad. No:1079/13 35290 Guzelyali | | Home:+90-232-2857604 Work:+90-232-2463992 Izmir/TURKEY | +--------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 13:21:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08621 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08616 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:20:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA03625 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:20:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WIDE/KAME IPv6 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One nit I have with KAME (other than the one I already posted) is that the distribution includes a far amount of ATM code (both network layer and hardware device driver.) The ATM sources should be a separate package IMHO. Those people using them should also be making a push to have them incorporated into Current (if they are not already there). Other than that, it looks good (so far). /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 14:20:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18573 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cortex.NSMA.Arizona.EDU (cortex.NSMA.Arizona.EDU [128.196.180.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18542 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:20:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ddw@cortex.NSMA.Arizona.EDU) Received: from cortex (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cortex.NSMA.Arizona.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id OAA27971; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:24:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199805132124.OAA27971@cortex.NSMA.Arizona.EDU> To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: ddw@cortex.NSMA.Arizona.EDU Subject: Number of hubs on a net... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 23:31:03 +0300." Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:24:58 -0700 From: Doug Wellington Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Previously: >at my office I want to expand my network with installing >new hubs, how many hubs I can connect together? Hubs are just multiport repeaters, and we follow the "four repeater rule" - that is, no more than four repeaters between any two devices. Of course, once you get to a bridge, switch (which is just a multiport bridge) or router, you can start counting all over again... >and what can happen if I install too many hubs like this? >would it cause collusion on my network? No, it won't cause a collision, and that is the very problem. Computers at the ends of the network won't realize that the last packet they sent really did result in a collision, and they won't know to resend it. >(well another thing I should ask it, why does collusion >occurs on a network?) Ethernet is designed that way. It's like being at a party. Anyone can talk at any time, and sometimes more than one person will start to talk at the same time. Then each person, or each network device, will wait a small period of time and then start to listen again to see if anyone else is talking. If nobody else is talking, then that one can try again. The other way to set up a network is with each computer passing a "token" around. Only the computer with the token can talk. If that computer doesn't need to talk, it just passes the token on. (Token ring or token bus...) Doug Wellington ddw@nsma.arizona.edu Network and System Administrator ARL, Division of Neural Systems, Memory and Aging The University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ (520) 626-6023 (520) 291-0481 pager (520) 626-2618 fax I DON'T buy anything from spammers, and I KEEP TRACK OF WHO SPAMS ME. I put up with ads on the TV because they pay for programming. When spammers pay for the Internet, then I'll start putting up with spam. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 15:25:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01884 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA01845 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:25:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trost@cloud.rain.com) Received: (qmail 25493 invoked by uid 4); 13 May 1998 22:24:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 5113 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 22:06:15 -0000 Received: from localhost.cloud.rain.com (HELO cloud.rain.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.cloud.rain.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 22:06:15 -0000 To: Julian Elischer cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 13 May 1998 11:26:21 PDT. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5109.895097174.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:06:15 -0700 Message-ID: <5110.895097175@cloud.rain.com> From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Julian Elischer writes: I guess the NRL version is no longer being used or what? The NRL version contains IPsec and is therefore at least partially export-controlled. I talked with one of their project leads about a year ago (and can't remember his name )-: ), though, and he was talking about making the NRL implementation more "FreeBSD friendly" (NRL's code is based on NetBSD, as I recall). That brings up an issue in the INRIA-vs-WIDE debate, though. WIDE explicitly states they have partially implemented IPSEC. As I understand it, INRIA cannot provide IPSEC because of French crypto controls (which are worse than even the NSA's...er, I mean Commerce Department's). If I am right, then this should be considered a strike against INRIA's IP6 -- and a big one, IMHO, as IPsec is more important to me than IP6 per se. Or, I may be wrong -- at least it's an extrinsic technical criterium we can use.... (-: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 15:55:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07758 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07641; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id AAA07877; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:54:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id AAA06650; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:51:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980514005135.A6349@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:51:35 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpk97r64ym=2Efsf=40yggdrasil=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_f?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?rom_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Tue=2C_May_12=2C_199?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?8_at_02:36:49PM_+0200?= Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 02:36:49PM +0200, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > The problem is that the INRIA IPv6 stack (which, according to our IPv6 > experts, is the best one available) only runs on FreeBSD 2.2.5R, and I > really, really want to run 3.0-CURRENT (or at the very least > 2.2.6-STABLE) on it. So I have three choices (in descending order of > workload): > > - upgrade to STABLE or CURRENT, and port INRIA IPv6 to that. Does the following answer your question ? 00:47:35 /u2/users/pb $ uname -a FreeBSD fasterix.frmug.fr.net 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #90: Sat May 2 13:28:52 CEST 1998 pb@fasterix.frmug.fr.net:/u2/usr/src/sys/compile/ASTERIX i386 00:47:39 /u2/users/pb $ ping6 ::1 trying to get source for ::1 source should be ::1 PING ::1 (::1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from ::1: icmp6_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.251 ms 64 bytes from ::1: icmp6_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.146 ms ^C --- ::1 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 0.146/0.198/0.251 ms I've ported the INRIA stuff to -current a while ago. Patches are available at ftp://frmug.org/pub/ipv6/ (patches to -current as of beginning of April 1998). I haven't had time to make a release recently based on a more recent -current, but will give it a try soon (hopefully before next Monday). Now regarding integrating this in "official" -current, that's another matter entirely of course. Regarding the crypto stuff, I believe someone in England has written patches to implement the missing stuff in the INRIA implementation, but haven't tried this yet. All I can say is that all the hooks are there already. -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 16:07:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10341 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10292 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:07:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id BAA08962; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:06:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id BAA07583; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:06:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980514010619.B6349@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:06:19 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues References: <13913.895050361@coconut.itojun.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpyaw6zft9=2Efsf=40hrotti=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_from?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Wed=2C_May_13=2C_1998_a?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t_11:21:54AM_+0200?= Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 11:21:54AM +0200, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > It's not really mine either. My point is that there is a lot more > effort being put into the WIDE stack than into the INRIA stack. I really don't think we should compare implementations on such premises. If we did, we would all be running Microsoft stuff, beginning with Windows NT, and we would laugh at free implementations with source. I think we would be better off comparing these on technical grounds, i.e. which one is more modular, better integrated, and so on. After all, once it's integrated, the _FreeBSD_ team will have to maintain it in -current, nobody else. -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 16:51:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18213 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:51:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (root@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18207 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:51:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W) with ESMTP id IAA25227; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:51:42 +0900 (JST) To: "Matthew N. Dodd" cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: winter's message of Wed, 13 May 1998 15:24:36 -0400. X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: WIDE/KAMI IPv6 From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:51:42 +0900 Message-ID: <25223.895103502@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Ok, for kicks I've been reviewing the KAMI and INRIA IPv6 stuff and have a >few questions/comments on the KAMI code I've seen so far. >What kind of crack prompted the need to do this: >+ #ifdef INET6 >+ in6_ifattach(&sc->arpcom.ac_if, IN6_IFT_802, >+ (caddr_t)sc->arpcom.ac_enaddr, 0); >+ #endif /* INET6 */ >+ >in -every- 'supported' network driver's XXinit function. The above claim is not true. You'll need to have the above line in attach routine for *pccard* network drivers. For normal interfaces, in6_ifattach() is called from in6_ifattach_802(), which is called from ip6_init2() in sys/netinet6/ip6_input.c. >Is there any reason this code does not belong in ifattach() or >ether_ifattach()? in6_ifattach() must be called after *all* the initialization for the interface. If we can guarantee that ether_ifattach() is called in the very last part of xxattach(), we can bury in6_ifattach() call into ether_ifattach. At this moment there's no such guarantee so we have added in6_ifattach() into attach routine, for pccard network cards. itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 17:21:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23607 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:21:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23345; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id CAA12212; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:19:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id CAA10569; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:18:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980514021834.C6349@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:18:34 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Ollivier Robert Cc: core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <19980513005824.B17879@keltia.freenix.fr> <6876.895046243@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 In-Reply-To: <6876.895046243@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 12:57:23AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 12:57:23AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > We've gotten to the stage where we're at now through the various IPv6 > folks failing to talk to one another or look at the competing > offerings, choosing instead to go focus exclusively on one specific > favored implementation. That has to change or FreeBSD likely as not Disclaimer: I'm not from INRIA. I ported their implementation to -current in my SPARE time. It went easier than I expected so I distributed the patches. I'm "biased by design" since, from the start, I decided the IPv6 I wanted was the INRIA stuff. One of the reasons for this was that it had been available for a long time and it was available both for NetBSD and FreeBSD. Another reason is that I tried it more than a year ago under 2.2.something and it worked pretty well for me. So when I began to feel like I wanted to play with IPv6 at home, I pretty naturally came to the INRIA stuff. However I've had a quick look at the WIDE implementation from a few weeks ago (when I began the INRIA porting). Back then, I was under the impression that it was slightly less integrated with common FreeBSD tools than the INRIA stuff. The INRIA approach is to patch existing tools to make them IPv6-compliant. This holds for sendmail, ftpd, ftp, telnet, rlogin, inetd, for example. For tools for which this doesn't make as much sense (ping, traceroute...), separate versions are provided (ping6...). The INRIA code is available for NetBSD and FreeBSD. The WIDE approach, from what I understand, is to provide new tools for a lot (not all: some are integrated too) of these. They have a separate inet6d for IPv6 daemons, for example. I think (but I can be wrong) it only exists for FreeBSD. The WIDE approach is probably better in the short term (less integration headaches). The INRIA stuff, IMHO, is the way to go in the long run (the ease of use of a common inetd is good illustration of this). The INRIA stuff is apparently (as I said above, I'm not aware of any ports of the WIDE stuff but it can be just ignorance) available on more systems and more architectures (NetBSD) so they have an advantage on portability. > won't be adopting _anyone_'s IPv6 implementation because we're never > going to get past the vague handwaving stage. Is it too much to ask > that someone at INRIA take a look at the WIDE stuff in *detail* and > vice-versa? > > Sorry to sound peeved, but it's been a frustrating exercise trying to > get the various IPv6 camps to even consider working together and it > seems that it's always been a "use OUR stack!" issue rather than Jordan, I really think this is too much asking. I think it's perfectly understandable that people working on an implementation don't bother with details of the other implementation. They don't have time to. Besides, comparisons from anyone working on a given implementation would logically stand the risk of being considered biased. The mere fact that you consider previous discussions on the matter as "use OUR stack!" is very telling :-) A while ago, someone on freebsd-security (quite sorry I forgot his name) said he had written (or was working on) a report on performance and implementation issues after comparing both implementations. I don't know what it became. IIRC, his conclusion was that the INRIA stack was better. Not having seen the report, I'm sorry I can't exactly say how (on what measurements) he determined that. > "we'll get together,work something out and get back to you" with IPv6. > This wouldn't fly in any other area of FreeBSD development and I fail > to see why IPv6 should be any different. You folks have GOT to start I don't think the ball is in INRIA's or WIDE's camp. They have working implementations, they maintain these according to the evolution of IPv6, that's their goal, period. We can be glad and proud they considered FreeBSD a good platform for their experimentations, but I don't think we can ask for more. Obviously, having a single implementation to choose from would make FreeBSD's choice easier, but that's not gonna happen unless WE (FreeBSD) decide to work on it for our own purposes. _BUT_ I honestly think that reinventing yet a new wheel is a complete waste of time except for people pursuing religious concerns such as "BSD network code sucks so I write my own, cleaner code so I can mess up with socket semantics and ICMP includes" (this is a purely theoretical example, obviously :-) In conclusion, anyway, the ball is in OUR camp and unless we realize that, we're gonna be late for the IPv6 boat. -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 18:09:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01998 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01992 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:09:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25033; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:08:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:08:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199805140108.VAA25033@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Pierre Beyssac Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh , net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues In-Reply-To: <19980514010619.B6349@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> References: <13913.895050361@coconut.itojun.org> <19980514010619.B6349@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > After all, once it's integrated, the _FreeBSD_ team will have to > maintain it in -current, nobody else. Which is the best reason I've heard so far for not integrating any IPv6 code. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 18:49:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07215 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:49:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07206 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA06915; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:49:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WIDE/KAMI IPv6 In-Reply-To: <25223.895103502@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 May 1998, Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh wrote: > The above claim is not true. You'll need to have the above line in > attach routine for *pccard* network drivers. > For normal interfaces, in6_ifattach() is called from > in6_ifattach_802(), which is called from ip6_init2() > in sys/netinet6/ip6_input.c. Ah! My bad. I simply looked at the drivers I happen to use (which all seem to have PCCARD support in them as well. :) This is a good thing. /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 19:24:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12904 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12646; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id EAA17230; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:22:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id BAA24151; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:10:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980514011052.A24142@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:10:52 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD Mail-Followup-To: core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980513005824.B17879@keltia.freenix.fr> <6876.895046243@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: <6876.895046243@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 12:57:23AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4274 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jordan K. Hubbard: > We're #1!" :-) and into the realm of the technical. WHY is it better > than the WIDE stuff? How and where? What are the _specific points of I don't know, I've not compared the two. And I have too little time to really play with Francis' stuff. What I know is from the french IPv6 group ("G6") users. It runs well, is fairly complete (apart from the crypto stuff but even that could be obtained) and is used. > going to get past the vague handwaving stage. Is it too much to ask > that someone at INRIA take a look at the WIDE stuff in *detail* and > vice-versa? I'll ask Francis (and the G6) if he could do something... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #8: Tue Apr 21 02:45:53 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 19:43:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15414 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:43:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15267; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA14966; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd014962; Thu May 14 02:36:33 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Petri Helenius , Guido van Rooij , Peter Wemm , dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <6974.895047065@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What about Dassault's FreeBSD IPv6 inplementation, or NRL's *BSD version (at one stage there was a freebsd version) or Ipsilon's FreeBSD IPv6 stack (just bought by nokia for $120Million) That gives us 5 that I know of, and I think there may be others in the shadows. julian On Wed, 13 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I've been using the INRIA stuff for >6 months now and I'm happy with > > that with the exception of the pain I've to go through when I need to > > match -stable patches to the INRIA code which gets up-ported only > > every now and then. > > Great, great, now go run the WIDE stuff and tell us how it compares! :-) > > Seriously, that's the problem here. We don't need advocates who have > tried only ONE implementation comprehensively - we can find plenty of > such folks already and they don't help us at all in making a decision > about which implementation to back. :-( > > - Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 19:55:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17175 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:55:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17019; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:54:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15111; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd015108; Thu May 14 02:42:10 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:42:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer Reply-To: Julian Elischer To: Pierre Beyssac cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Ollivier Robert , core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <19980514021834.C6349@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Obviously, having a single implementation to choose from would make > FreeBSD's choice easier, but that's not gonna happen unless WE > (FreeBSD) decide to work on it for our own purposes. _BUT_ I honestly > think that reinventing yet a new wheel is a complete waste of time > except for people pursuing religious concerns such as "BSD network > code sucks so I write my own, cleaner code so I can mess up with > socket semantics and ICMP includes" (this is a purely theoretical > example, obviously :-) > > In conclusion, anyway, the ball is in OUR camp and unless we realize > that, we're gonna be late for the IPv6 boat. I think we should start by getting both groups to talk with each other and work out a set of INCLUDE files that we can include that will work for both. That at least settles the interface. This is largely defined by RFCs anyhow so they SHOULD be able to agree with that. then we can pick and choose from the utilities. Inria: Francis.Dupont@inria.fr, ipv6-bsd-core@imag.fr, There is the dassault IPV6 group.. (no idea what they have) contacts: Pierre.Cathelin@dassault-elec.fr, Eric.Carmes@dassault-elec.fr, WIDE:From: (there must be a better mailing list to get to these people) NRL: (did have a freebsd version at one stage I think) IPSILON (now Nokia): FreeBSD based IPv6 Router.. they may have something to contribute. (Robert Hinden from there was the co-chair of the IPng Working group for IETF) should we get these peopl,e into a mailing list somewhere? can we make a short-term IPV6 mailng list for FreBSD integration that they can all be subscribed to (if they wish) julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 20:47:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25644 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:47:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (itojun@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25360; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W/smtpfeed 0.63) with ESMTP id MAA27675; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:44:11 +0900 (JST) To: Julian Elischer cc: Pierre Beyssac , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Ollivier Robert , core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: julian's message of Wed, 13 May 1998 19:42:07 MST. X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:44:11 +0900 Message-ID: <27671.895117451@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >WIDE:From: > > (there must be a better mailing list to get to these people) kame@kame.net, or v6@wide.ad.jp itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 20:53:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26544 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26531 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id GAA12830; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:53:23 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:53:22 +0300 (EEST) From: Petri Helenius To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Pierre Beyssac , Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav , Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh , net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues In-Reply-To: <199805140108.VAA25033@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <13913.895050361@coconut.itojun.org> <19980514010619.B6349@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <199805140108.VAA25033@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13658.27284.20359.164715@silver.sms.fi> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Garrett Wollman writes: > < said: > > > After all, once it's integrated, the _FreeBSD_ team will have to > > maintain it in -current, nobody else. > > Which is the best reason I've heard so far for not integrating any > IPv6 code. > > -GAWollman > If we would all migrate to Linux the maintenance burden would be even less :-) Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 20:54:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26799 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:54:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26504; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA07811; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:53:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Bill Trost cc: Julian Elischer , net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <5110.895097175@cloud.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One might also add that the form in which INRIA is distributed (foo-orig.x and foo-new.x) is somewhat unfriendly as well. The fact that INRIA also wants to live in sys/netinet is also a bit annoying. I spent some time this evening reading code and my bias at this point is leaning towards WIDE. On Wed, 13 May 1998, Bill Trost wrote: > That brings up an issue in the INRIA-vs-WIDE debate, though. WIDE > explicitly states they have partially implemented IPSEC. As I > understand it, INRIA cannot provide IPSEC because of French crypto > controls (which are worse than even the NSA's...er, I mean Commerce > Department's). If I am right, then this should be considered a strike > against INRIA's IP6 -- and a big one, IMHO, as IPsec is more important > to me than IP6 per se. > > Or, I may be wrong -- at least it's an extrinsic technical criterium we > can use.... (-: /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 21:03:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28561 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28330; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA10946; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:00:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Pierre Beyssac cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Ollivier Robert , core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <19980514021834.C6349@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 May 1998, Pierre Beyssac wrote: > The WIDE approach, from what I understand, is to provide new tools > for a lot (not all: some are integrated too) of these. They have > a separate inet6d for IPv6 daemons, for example. I think (but I > can be wrong) it only exists for FreeBSD. The inet6d code appears no different than the code currently in -current. I may be missing something but I don't think WIDE requires a different inetd. Either way that is an asthetic issue that is solveable. > The WIDE approach is probably better in the short term (less > integration headaches). The INRIA stuff, IMHO, is the way to go in > the long run (the ease of use of a common inetd is good illustration > of this). The INRIA stuff is apparently (as I said above, I'm not > aware of any ports of the WIDE stuff but it can be just ignorance) > available on more systems and more architectures (NetBSD) so they > have an advantage on portability. I've not seen any code in WIDE that appeared to be 'FreeBSD' centric (in the sense that porting to NetBSD or updating for BSDi would be a problem. > In conclusion, anyway, the ball is in OUR camp and unless we realize > that, we're gonna be late for the IPv6 boat. Indeed. AIX 4.3 is currently shipping with IPv6 code. Solaris has code available as well as Digital Unix. Actually, from looking at all the IPv6 resources I'd say that most everybody has -something-. (I particulary liked Mentat's STREAMS implementation myself. *gah* ) /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 21:37:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02891 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:37:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (itojun@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02858; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:36:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W/smtpfeed 0.63) with ESMTP id NAA28416; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:35:58 +0900 (JST) To: Pierre Beyssac cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Ollivier Robert , core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: pb's message of Thu, 14 May 1998 02:18:34 +0200. <19980514021834.C6349@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:35:58 +0900 Message-ID: <28412.895120558@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >The WIDE approach, from what I understand, is to provide new tools >for a lot (not all: some are integrated too) of these. They have >a separate inet6d for IPv6 daemons, for example. I think (but I >can be wrong) it only exists for FreeBSD. WIDE IPv6 stack is for FreeBSD, BSDI and NetBSD. (NetBSD version is not tgz'ed for public distribution yet, but is working in-house) The way we compiled the kit for 2.2.6-RELEASE is aimed for "easy start-up". If we mandate "make world" for everybody to play with WIDE stack, less people will try to play with our stack. We may, however, try different ways in for-3.0 release depending on how we can release our kit.... itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 21:49:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04403 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:49:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04337; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id MAA11059; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:47:19 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805140447.MAA11059@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Matthew N. Dodd" cc: Bill Trost , Julian Elischer , net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 23:53:01 -0400." Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:47:18 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Matthew N. Dodd" wrote: > > One might also add that the form in which INRIA is distributed (foo-orig.x > and foo-new.x) is somewhat unfriendly as well. > > The fact that INRIA also wants to live in sys/netinet is also a bit > annoying. > > I spent some time this evening reading code and my bias at this point is > leaning towards WIDE. I guess the real question is... where do we want to end up? Do we want to end up with a seamlessly integrated IPv6, or something that's kept at arm's length? Also, there are other IPv6 implementations out there, perhaps the most important is the Linux 2.1.x version. Where do they put there include files? Putting our includes in a gratuitously different location is only going to cause us pain. > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Bill Trost wrote: > > That brings up an issue in the INRIA-vs-WIDE debate, though. WIDE > > explicitly states they have partially implemented IPSEC. As I > > understand it, INRIA cannot provide IPSEC because of French crypto > > controls (which are worse than even the NSA's...er, I mean Commerce > > Department's). If I am right, then this should be considered a strike > > against INRIA's IP6 -- and a big one, IMHO, as IPsec is more important > > to me than IP6 per se. > > > > Or, I may be wrong -- at least it's an extrinsic technical criterium we > > can use.... (-: Due to the nature of the US regulations, this is almost irrelevant since FreeBSD is distributed from US soil. If IPSEC and/or IPv6 crypto is going to be implemented in FreeBSD, then it *must* be done as a stand-alone package otherwise FreeBSD will cause major export nightmares for people outside of the San Francisco area. US based mirrors would not be able to carry open mirrors of FreeBSD. This problem is almost a strike against WIDE unless their ipsec/crypto stuff is very easily and completely paritioned. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 22:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07147 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:04:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07087; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:04:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA11266; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:58:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Peter Wemm cc: Bill Trost , Julian Elischer , net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199805140447.MAA11059@spinner.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 May 1998, Peter Wemm wrote: > I guess the real question is... where do we want to end up? Do we want > to end up with a seamlessly integrated IPv6, or something that's kept at > arm's length? Also, there are other IPv6 implementations out there, > perhaps the most important is the Linux 2.1.x version. Where do they put > there include files? Putting our includes in a gratuitously different > location is only going to cause us pain. I think 'seamless integration' would be the correct goal. I envision a system where one may type 'ping foo.bar.com' and have it just work. > Due to the nature of the US regulations, this is almost irrelevant since > FreeBSD is distributed from US soil. If IPSEC and/or IPv6 crypto is > going to be implemented in FreeBSD, then it *must* be done as a > stand-alone package otherwise FreeBSD will cause major export nightmares > for people outside of the San Francisco area. US based mirrors would > not be able to carry open mirrors of FreeBSD. This problem is almost a > strike against WIDE unless their ipsec/crypto stuff is very easily and > completely paritioned. It would appear that their crypto code resides in sys/crypto and is enabled via config file options. I don't see this being any less seamless than the current soft-update hoops we have to jump through. /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed May 13 22:06:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07415 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:06:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07207; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:05:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id MAA11164; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:56:01 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805140456.MAA11164@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Pierre Beyssac cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 00:51:35 +0200." <19980514005135.A6349@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:56:00 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pierre Beyssac wrote: [..] > = > Regarding the crypto stuff, I believe someone in England has written > patches to implement the missing stuff in the INRIA implementation, > but haven't tried this yet. All I can say is that all the hooks are > there already. Just out of interest.. Are these hooks for "payload encapsulation" or "encryption"? Naming could matter.. PPP's CCP hooks can be used for providing encryption. However, if there were explicit encryption hooks, there would be problems since crypto hooks apparently fall under the ITAR= regulations while generic hooks do not. Not that this seems to be a majo= r = problem in practice though, a large number of net tools seem to have = #ifdefs etc for calling encryption stuff (eg: kerberos). Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 02:32:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18183 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:32:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itesec.hsc.fr (root@itesec.hsc.fr [192.70.106.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17714; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:29:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@hsc.fr) Received: from mars.hsc.fr (pb@mars.hsc.fr [192.70.106.44]) by itesec.hsc.fr (8.8.8/8.8.5/itesec-1.12-nospam) with ESMTP id LAA06062; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:28:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from pb@localhost) by mars.hsc.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5/pb-19970301) id LAA21169; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:28:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980514112831.TK11966@mars.hsc.fr> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:28:31 +0200 From: Pierre.Beyssac@hsc.fr (Pierre Beyssac) To: thorpej@nas.nasa.gov (Jason Thorpe) Cc: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm), pete@sms.fi (Petri Helenius), dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?=), net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <199805121520.IAA11104@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1e Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805121520.IAA11104@lestat.nas.nasa.gov>; from Jason Thorpe on May 12, 1998 08:20:40 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jason Thorpe: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > I believe one of the NetBSD folks suggested that they were intending on > > using the INRIA stack as their baseline. > > Yes, we plan on integrating INRIA into our source tree. Can you explain the reasons why you made this choice ? That would be very interesting. -- Pierre.Beyssac@hsc.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 02:47:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20517 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:47:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20512 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:47:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03805; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Petri Helenius cc: Garrett Wollman , Pierre Beyssac , Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav , Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh , net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 06:53:22 +0300." <13658.27284.20359.164715@silver.sms.fi> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:45:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3801.895139158@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If we would all migrate to Linux the maintenance burden would be even > less :-) I think what he meant was that there'd be no real advantage in just tossing one of the implementations into the lap of FreeBSD.ORG and saying "you guys maintain it" - we've done that bit before with chunks of code like that for the first ISDN card support, code which then only rotted and had to be removed again. The "winning" IPv6 implementation should be, IMHO, the one who's implementors are willing to maintain it directly in -current as committers. That sounds like the WIDE project to me, frankly. They seemed both willing and eager to do this when I met with some of them in Japan a couple of months back, but let's see what the INRIA folks have to say on the same subject. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 02:54:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22058 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:54:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21893; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03870; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Peter Wemm cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , Bill Trost , Julian Elischer , net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 12:47:18 +0800." <199805140447.MAA11059@spinner.netplex.com.au> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:52:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3866.895139535@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I guess the real question is... where do we want to end up? Do we want > to end up with a seamlessly integrated IPv6, or something that's kept at Seamless works for me, anyway. :) > arm's length? Also, there are other IPv6 implementations out there, > perhaps the most important is the Linux 2.1.x version. Where do they put > there include files? Putting our includes in a gratuitously different We're so different than Linux from the API perspective that this may well end up being something of a fool's errand. Sure, we could take substantial pains to be header-compatible with IPv6, but I think we'd only find that we were still incompatible with most of their other networking headers. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 05:14:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15543 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.zilker.net (jump-k56flex-0093.jumpnet.com [207.8.6.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15460; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:12:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marquard@zilker.net) Received: (from marquard@localhost) by localhost.zilker.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id HAA13799; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:12:27 -0500 (CDT) From: marquard@austin.ibm.com To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav ) Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Guido van Rooij , peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm), pete@sms.fi, net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <2990.894997902@time.cdrom.com> Date: 14 May 1998 07:11:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no's message of "12 May 1998 21:53:03 +0200" Message-ID: <85vhr9hx1l.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.22/XEmacs 19.16 - "Lille" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav ) writes: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > I appreciate that people's time is limited, especially for > > bleeding-edge issues like IPv6, but perhaps a working group could be > > formed at this point to go actually study the various options far more > > substantially before we move on to the stage of talking seriously > > about committing anything? > > That is indeed a good idea. > > I have myself little experience with IPv6 - though I plan to get some I'd be willing to be part of this working group. I work on IBM's AIX, and our IPv6 code is a port of INRIA's stack. I've been through a few interoperability sessions, and I understand IPv6 fairly well at this point. My own bias is towards INRIA, because that's what we picked to port. At the time the only other choice was NRL, and our lawyer's were very nervous about NRL's code (They would have been nervous about INRIA's code too, but we got rights to it from a French business partner). Well, a third choice was to write our own, but due to time to market and resource constraints that fell by the wayside. So, sign me up! -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 05:14:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15746 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:14:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.zilker.net (jump-k56flex-0093.jumpnet.com [207.8.6.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15483; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marquard@zilker.net) Received: (from marquard@localhost) by localhost.zilker.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id HAA13811; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:13:06 -0500 (CDT) To: Ollivier Robert Cc: core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <348.894984380@time.cdrom.com> <19980513005824.B17879@keltia.freenix.fr> From: Dave Marquardt Date: 14 May 1998 07:13:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ollivier Robert's message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 00:58:24 +0200" Message-ID: <85somdhwz1.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.22/XEmacs 19.16 - "Lille" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ollivier Robert writes: > According to Jordan K. Hubbard: > > discuss commonalities of implementation? As Garrett said, things > > which are pertinent to _both_ implementations would certainly be more > > than welcome at this time. > > If I remember well, there are at least two WIDE implementations, one > kernel-based and one using a user-mode daemon. I've not tried the WIDE ones > but the INRIA code is heavily used in France where FreeBSD is one of the > most used IPv6 platforms... > > FWIW IBM has chosen the INRIA as its IPv6 stack for AIX. Yes. At the time of the choice, WIDE wasn't really available yet, so it was INRIA vs. NRL. I sent another note that talked about how we ended up with INRIA rather than NRL. -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 05:15:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15932 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:15:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.zilker.net (jump-k56flex-0093.jumpnet.com [207.8.6.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15524; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:13:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marquard@zilker.net) Received: (from marquard@localhost) by localhost.zilker.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id HAA13819; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:13:55 -0500 (CDT) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Ollivier Robert , core@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <6876.895046243@time.cdrom.com> From: Dave Marquardt Date: 14 May 1998 07:13:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 00:57:23 -0700" Message-ID: <85pvhhhwxp.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.22/XEmacs 19.16 - "Lille" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > If I remember well, there are at least two WIDE implementations, one > > kernel-based and one using a user-mode daemon. I've not tried the WIDE ones > > but the INRIA code is heavily used in France where FreeBSD is one of the > > most used IPv6 platforms... > > > > FWIW IBM has chosen the INRIA as its IPv6 stack for AIX. > > Sigh.. If we're to get any further with this, we really really need > to get out of the realm of the political ("xxx is running our stack! > We're #1!" :-) and into the realm of the technical. WHY is it better > than the WIDE stuff? How and where? What are the _specific points of > comparison_ that we need to be aware of? Jordan, I agree. As I said, WIDE wasn't available at the time IBM chose INRIA, so we didn't do that comparison. -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 05:18:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16809 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.zilker.net (jump-k56flex-0098.jumpnet.com [207.8.6.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16789 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:18:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marquard@zilker.net) Received: (from marquard@localhost) by localhost.zilker.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id HAA13849; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:17:41 -0500 (CDT) From: marquard@austin.ibm.com To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav ) Cc: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh , net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues References: <12901.895046220@coconut.itojun.org> Date: 14 May 1998 07:17:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no's message of "13 May 1998 10:09:19 +0200" Message-ID: <85n2clhwre.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.22/XEmacs 19.16 - "Lille" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav ) writes: > Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh writes: > > After talking to Mike, he noted that we should say more about > > what we (WIDE IPv6 efforts) are aimed. > > I wrote up (draft) project overview for you. Any questions are > > welcome. WIDE IPv6 stack is now called KAME project, and it is > > full-time project for core workers. We can commit to maintain > > sys/netinet6 part if our stack is get merged into 3.0-current. > > http://www.kame.net/project-overview.html > > *bang* there, you just bought my soul. I have only two things to say: > > - The INRIA stack is being developed by a single person in a not-for- > profit governmentatl research organisation. Well, Francis Dupont does have some input from Groupe Bull and IBM. IBM continues to modify the INRIA stack to fit into AIX and suggest improvements to Francis. > - The WIDE stack is being developed by a largish group of programmers > backed by several of the world's largest technology corporations. > > I rest my case. > > -- > Noone else has a .sig like this one. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 05:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19322 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19281 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:33:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00162 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:32:53 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id OAA08389 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:56:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id OAA23423; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:32:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980514143208.15101@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:32:08 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IPFW + natd -redirect_port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I've succesfully been running IPFW + divert + natd, with simple NAT turned on -- it's worked without a glitch so far. What I'm trying to do is: / / (internet) / [R] R = router | -----+----+-----outside | [A] A = IPFW box | -----+----+-----inside | [B] B = some box (www) I would like to redirect any incoming connections from `outside' to [A] to be redirected to [B] on an arbitrary port. Example: redirect tcp port 80 on outside-A to tcp port 80 on B. I've played around a bit but haven't got anything significant other than natd effectively logging packets, with the following setup: ipfw add 100 divert 6668 tcp from any to outside-A 80 and natd -log -redirect_port B:80 80 -interface ep0 (ep0 being the outside-A NIC). What am I missing ? Will this work both ways ? (replies) Also, the natd manpage is a bit obscure regarding the exact definition of "target, alias and remote" addresses. Thks for any help -- feel free to redirect to -security if this is more appropriate. -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 06:22:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27280 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (itojun@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27073; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:21:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W/smtpfeed 0.63) with ESMTP id WAA05101; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:21:33 +0900 (JST) To: marquard@austin.ibm.com cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm rgrav ), "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Guido van Rooij , peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm), pete@sms.fi, net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: marquard's message of 14 May 1998 07:11:34 EST. <85vhr9hx1l.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:21:33 +0900 Message-ID: <5097.895152093@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> > I appreciate that people's time is limited, especially for >> > bleeding-edge issues like IPv6, but perhaps a working group could be >> > formed at this point to go actually study the various options far more >> > substantially before we move on to the stage of talking seriously >> > about committing anything? I would like to sign up for the working group, I'll try to grab a machine and to install INRIA stack for comparison, itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 08:53:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22819 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA22808 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:53:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trost@cloud.rain.com) Received: (qmail 4563 invoked by uid 4); 14 May 1998 15:53:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 11289 invoked from network); 14 May 1998 15:52:38 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (HELO cloud.rain.com) (127.0.0.1) by softdnserror with SMTP; 14 May 1998 15:52:38 -0000 To: net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 13 May 1998 19:42:07 PDT. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <11285.895161157.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:52:37 -0700 Message-ID: <11286.895161157@cloud.rain.com> From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Julian Elischer writes: NRL: (did have a freebsd version at one stage I think) You may be thinking of Portland State University's port of NRL's IPsec implementation (IPv6 was not included). It can still be gotten at via www.cs.pdx.edu/research/SMN/. Disclaimer: I worked on this project for a while. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 12:09:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24277 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:09:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from osku.suutari.iki.fi (kn6-045.ktvlpr.inet.fi [194.197.169.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24262 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:09:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ari@suutari.iki.fi) Received: from suutari.iki.fi (raisa.home.suutari.iki.fi [192.168.0.1]) by osku.suutari.iki.fi (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10408; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:09:19 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <355B3384.55681C04@suutari.iki.fi> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:10:12 +0300 From: Ari Suutari X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philippe Regnauld CC: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFW + natd -redirect_port References: <19980514143208.15101@deepo.prosa.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Philippe Regnauld wrote: > Example: redirect tcp port 80 on outside-A to tcp port 80 on B. > > I've played around a bit but haven't got anything significant > other than natd effectively logging packets, with the following setup: > > ipfw add 100 divert 6668 tcp from any to outside-A 80 This rule handles only incoming packets, not outgoing ones. I have usually used ipfw add divert 6668 ip from any to any via ep0 to make all traffic on internet interface to go through natd. Passing only some packets through nat and others directly might give you a conflict with port numbers. > > and > > natd -log -redirect_port B:80 80 -interface ep0 (ep0 being the outside-A NIC). > This should be quite OK, remember that you must also have rule that allows traffic from external hosts to B:80. Like this: ipfw add pass tcp from any to any established ipfw add pass tcp from any to B 80 setup Ari S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 12:41:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28413 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28396 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02740; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:40:33 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA08964; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:04:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id VAA27189; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:39:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980514213951.60414@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:39:51 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Ari Suutari Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFW + natd -redirect_port References: <19980514143208.15101@deepo.prosa.dk> <355B3384.55681C04@suutari.iki.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <355B3384.55681C04@suutari.iki.fi>; from Ari Suutari on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 09:10:12PM +0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ari Suutari writes: > > > > ipfw add 100 divert 6668 tcp from any to outside-A 80 > > This rule handles only incoming packets, not outgoing ones. > I have usually used > > ipfw add divert 6668 ip from any to any via ep0 In the meantime I figured this out and got it to work with several different ports -- it works great! > ipfw add pass tcp from any to any established > ipfw add pass tcp from any to B 80 setup Thanks for the tip -- I was testing with an open FW. now I'm hitting another interesting problem -- I'd like to do "transparent" proxy redirection, i.e.: I would like outgoing traffic to any 80 to be silently redirected to the Squid (on the local net or on the firewall). This should work, since modern WWW clients include the full url (vor VHosts reasons) in the request. I've first tried something simple like adding redirect_port tcp squid.addr:8080 0:80 but this didn't work... I've then tried to add a special rule before the general divert (divert all from any to any): divert 6789 tcp from any to any 80 [via ep1] (ep1 is inside) And created a nice loop! :-) I even tried hacks like 10 skipto 30 tcp from any to any 80 20 divert natd all from any to any via ep0 30 divert 6789 tcp from any to any 80 out via [ep0|ep1] To no avail. I'm obviously missing something, but I can't grasp what. I can include logs of natd -v if necessary. -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 13:08:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03067 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adinet.com.uy (suncueva.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03054 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:08:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ang@adinet.com.uy) Received: from 31867 by adinet.com.uy (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA10920; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:56:50 +0300 Message-ID: <355B4E87.EC74A9CE@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:05:27 -0300 From: Angelo Nardone X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philippe Regnauld CC: Ari Suutari , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFW + natd -redirect_port X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19980514143208.15101@deepo.prosa.dk> <355B3384.55681C04@suutari.iki.fi> <19980514213951.60414@deepo.prosa.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Philippe Regnauld wrote: > now I'm hitting another interesting problem -- I'd like > to do "transparent" proxy redirection, i.e.: > I would like outgoing traffic to any 80 to be silently > redirected to the Squid (on the local net or on the > firewall). This should work, since modern WWW clients > include the full url (vor VHosts reasons) in the request. > > I developed a special "transparent" proxy software, and now is work in a many SP in Argentina. Would you buy it ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 14:05:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11923 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fax.ceniai.inf.cu (fax.ceniai.inf.cu [169.158.128.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11895 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from one!intranet.one.gov.cu!elie@ceniai.inf.cu) Received: from ceniai.inf.cu by fax.ceniai.inf.cu with esmtp (Smail3.2) id m0ya5Ax-000OVWC; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:04:27 -0400 (CDT) Received: from one.UUCP by ceniai.inf.cu with UUCP (Smail3.2) id m0ya5DL-000ApqC; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:06:55 -0400 (CDT) Received: from intranet.one.gov.cu by one.one.gov.cu with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0ya7xG-0002DVC; Thu, 14 May 98 17:02 PDT Received: from localhost (2090 bytes) by intranet.one.gov.cu via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:57:31 -0400 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.97 1997-Aug-19 #7 built 1998-Apr-29) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:57:30 -0400 (CDT) From: Eliezer Rodriguez Gonzalez To: Evren Yurtesen cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ======================================= Ing. Eliezer Rodri'guez Gonza'lez Oficina Nacional de Estadisticas E-mail: elie@intranet.one.gov.cu Voz: 30-00-75; 30-50-21 ext: 254 ======================================= On Wed, 13 May 1998, Evren Yurtesen wrote: > hello > sorry maybe this is not a freebsd related problem but > I do not know where else I can ask this question... > > at my office I want to expand my network with installing > new hubs, how many hubs I can connect together? > > like this > > HUB------HUB------HUB-----... > You can connect up to four hubs in a daisy-chained fashion. I mean in a serie, one exactly behind the other. Beware, the cable to connect one hub to another is crossover cable, not a straight-through one. Some brands states you can connect up to five, like Accton's. I think this is call something like network diameter, for 10baseT network it is 500 meters long. This means a host in the first hub can "talk" to a host 500 meters away at the final hub of the chain. In fact it is not compulsory to hook one hub to another in a serie, you can use the topology you want as long as you respect the network diameter and you use the proper cable. Of course this can cause and increase collisions in your network, decreasing the amount of available bandwith to a given host in a given time. Collisions occur because Ethernet is a share media network, hosts listen to the cable (I mean NIC) to see if they can "write" their data to it. When to host perform this at the same time a collision occurs and they both deferred the operation a ramdom amount of time and everything begins. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 14:32:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16359 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:32:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16332 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21779; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd021774; Thu May 14 21:23:47 1998 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Richard Wackerbarth cc: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh , Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 May 1998, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > I do not think that, at this point, either implementation is clearly > superior. Adoption of either would be better than avoiding both. Of course, > to the extent that the two implementations can agree on commonality of > implementation, we have a "no brainer" in adopting that common component. > We have a WIDE representative.. We should ask Francis if he wishes to discuss this with us as well. it may turn out that they can actually agree on a lot.... julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 16:13:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04706 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:13:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04691 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:13:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id BAA15504; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:11:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id AAA06618; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:37:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980515003707.A18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:37:07 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Petri Helenius Cc: Garrett Wollman , Pierre Beyssac , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh , net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues References: <13658.27284.20359.164715@silver.sms.fi> <3801.895139158@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 In-Reply-To: <3801.895139158@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 02:45:58AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 02:45:58AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > saying "you guys maintain it" - we've done that bit before with chunks > of code like that for the first ISDN card support, code which then > only rotted and had to be removed again. There's a BIG difference: almost everybody on the Internet will have to run IPv6 sooner or later. The potential user base is much bigger than for a ISDN driver for a specific card, it's much less likely to be forgotten or unmaintained. > the WIDE project to me, frankly. They seemed both willing and eager > to do this when I met with some of them in Japan a couple of months > back, but let's see what the INRIA folks have to say on the same > subject. I can't provide 24/24 7/7 support on IPv6, but I'd be glad to support the INRIA IPv6 code for -current if there is a need for committers. That's what I'm already doing with my set of patches I need to update every now and then, it can only be easier for me if that code is integrated in the main tree. -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 16:16:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05496 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:16:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05018; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:14:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id BAA15545; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:13:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id AAA11013; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:45:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980515004527.B18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:45:27 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Guido van Rooij , Peter Wemm , pete@sms.fi, net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <2990.894997902@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpk97r6zc0=2Efsf=40hrotti=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_from?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Tue=2C_May_12=2C_1998_a?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t_09:53:03PM_+0200?= Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 09:53:03PM +0200, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > catching up. Also, the packaging of the WIDE stack is such that > integrating it into FreeBSD would be far less work than integrating > the INRIA stack (amongst other things, it is much better documented, > and is distributed as a set of patches rather than a collection of > replacement files). It's true that the INRIA distribution method is rather unusual. But believe it or not, it made my life much easier when porting this to -current, because I had the complete original source files at hand rather than having to download a full 2.2.5 source release. I assume that's why this method was chosen. OTOH, for the end user, this complicates the process a lot. Anyway it's not difficult at all to generate patches from these, that's what I do for my port to -current. Regarding the docs, I agree that WIDE has an edge on this. -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 16:19:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06165 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05789; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id BAA15854; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:15:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id AAA11351; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:58:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980515005841.C18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:58:41 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Cc: Petri Helenius , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Guido van Rooij , Peter Wemm , net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <13955.895050568@coconut.itojun.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpwwbqzfoq=2Efsf=40hrotti=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_from?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Wed=2C_May_13=2C_1998_a?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t_11:24:37AM_+0200?= Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 11:24:37AM +0200, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > My position on this is that if you consider IPv6 as a new, separate > protocol (as I do) then it should go into a separate directory. If you > consider it as an update of an older protocol, it should go into the > same directory. In a sense, it's both of these at the same time :-) The IP part is brand new, the TCP and UDP parts are mostly identical to IPv4. For /usr/include this doesn't make much of a difference anyway, except philosophical and practical for the applications programmer. For the kernel (/sys/netinet), this does make much of a difference in implementation modularity. My feeling is that, ideally, tcp_*.c and udp_*.c source files should be shared, but it's easier said than done. If they are not shared, this duplicates any maintenance work we have to do on these protocols. The latest INRIA IPv6 for NetBSD mentions that they now share the TCP source files. I don't know to what extent or exactly how this is achieved, but I like that. -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 18:05:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24882 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (itojun@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24747; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W/smtpfeed 0.63) with ESMTP id KAA12667; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:04:15 +0900 (JST) To: Pierre Beyssac cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Guido van Rooij , Peter Wemm , pete@sms.fi, net@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: pb's message of Fri, 15 May 1998 00:45:27 +0200. <19980515004527.B18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:04:15 +0900 Message-ID: <12663.895194255@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >It's true that the INRIA distribution method is rather unusual. >But believe it or not, it made my life much easier when porting >this to -current, because I had the complete original source files >at hand rather than having to download a full 2.2.5 source release. >I assume that's why this method was chosen. OTOH, for the end user, >this complicates the process a lot. >Anyway it's not difficult at all to generate patches from these, >that's what I do for my port to -current. would this be enough? :-) http://www.kame.net/dev/cvsweb.cgi itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 18:42:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02551 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (root@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02336 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W) with ESMTP id KAA13261; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:41:37 +0900 (JST) To: "Matthew N. Dodd" cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: winter's message of Wed, 13 May 1998 16:20:59 -0400. X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: WIDE/KAME IPv6 From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:41:37 +0900 Message-ID: <13257.895196497@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >One nit I have with KAME (other than the one I already posted) is that the >distribution includes a far amount of ATM code (both network layer and >hardware device driver.) >The ATM sources should be a separate package IMHO. Those people using >them should also be making a push to have them incorporated into Current >(if they are not already there). This was because there was no good specification for IPv6 over PVC ATM, and we use bare ATM line for carrying IPv6 packets in Japan 6bone. Since IPv6 on PVC ATM was clearly interoperability problem, WIDE group submitted an IETF internet-draft on this. After bunch of debate (because ATM drafts and IPv6 drafts are worked in separete working group), the content of draft is merged into . We will be supplying patch (rather than a whole source code) for 3.0-current IPv6, since midway.c is already merged into 3.0 (sys/dev/en). itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 19:57:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16926 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16893 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:57:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29412; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:56:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:56:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199805150256.WAA29412@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Pierre Beyssac Cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues In-Reply-To: <19980515003707.A18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> References: <13658.27284.20359.164715@silver.sms.fi> <3801.895139158@time.cdrom.com> <19980515003707.A18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > There's a BIG difference: almost everybody on the Internet will > have to run IPv6 sooner or later. More likely later than sooner. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 20:01:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17843 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (root@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17831 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W) with ESMTP id LAA01093; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:59:55 +0900 (JST) To: Pierre Beyssac cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: pb's message of Fri, 15 May 1998 00:58:41 +0200. <19980515005841.C18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:59:55 +0900 Message-ID: <1089.895201195@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >For the kernel (/sys/netinet), this does make much of a difference >in implementation modularity. My feeling is that, ideally, tcp_*.c >and udp_*.c source files should be shared, but it's easier said >than done. If they are not shared, this duplicates any maintenance >work we have to do on these protocols. >The latest INRIA IPv6 for NetBSD mentions that they now share the >TCP source files. I don't know to what extent or exactly how this >is achieved, but I like that. Hello, a small question... I'm now looking into INRIA for FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE (4/29/98 I think) but I see both sys/netinet/tcp_input.c and sys/netinet/tcp6_input.c, which are almost identical. Am I mistaking something, or obsoleted source is left in the tree? (Or the merge is just for "INRIA for NetBSD" at this moment?) WIDE stack is also thinking about tcp4/6 and udp4/6 merge too and about good/bad points of merged one and separate one. Problem for us is that we have to do the merge for FreeBSD, NetBSD and BSDI separately (since they modified tcp/udp code separately...) itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 21:47:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05084 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:47:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05076 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id HAA15752; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:47:39 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:47:38 +0300 (EEST) From: Petri Helenius To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Pierre Beyssac , net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues In-Reply-To: <199805150256.WAA29412@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <13658.27284.20359.164715@silver.sms.fi> <3801.895139158@time.cdrom.com> <19980515003707.A18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <199805150256.WAA29412@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13659.51336.457818.157020@silver.sms.fi> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Garrett Wollman writes: > < said: > > > There's a BIG difference: almost everybody on the Internet will > > have to run IPv6 sooner or later. > > More likely later than sooner. > This should be going off onto a *-chat list but I would say that IPv6 is likely to happen sooner than one might think. It's the usual way with many things. Then we'll all be running WinNT if you keep your attitude. Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu May 14 22:10:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09105 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from osku.suutari.iki.fi (kn6-045.ktvlpr.inet.fi [194.197.169.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09083 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ari@suutari.iki.fi) Received: from suutari.iki.fi (mocha.intranet.syncrontech.com [192.168.2.3]) by osku.suutari.iki.fi (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10949; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:10:29 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <355BD073.971B3EED@suutari.iki.fi> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:19:47 +0300 From: Ari Suutari X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philippe Regnauld CC: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, cmott@srv.net Subject: Re: IPFW + natd -redirect_port References: <19980514143208.15101@deepo.prosa.dk> <355B3384.55681C04@suutari.iki.fi> <19980514213951.60414@deepo.prosa.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Philippe Regnauld wrote: > > now I'm hitting another interesting problem -- I'd like > to do "transparent" proxy redirection, i.e.: > I would like outgoing traffic to any 80 to be silently > redirected to the Squid (on the local net or on the > firewall). This should work, since modern WWW clients > include the full url (vor VHosts reasons) in the request. > We (most work done by Charles Mott, the author of libalias and I) have been working on transparent proxying. The code hasn't been released yet, but I have been running it succesfully for a couple of weeks now. Ari S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri May 15 00:52:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01802 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:52:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01795 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA09339; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd009337; Fri May 15 07:41:30 1998 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:41:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Ari Suutari cc: Philippe Regnauld , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, cmott@srv.net Subject: Re: IPFW + natd -redirect_port In-Reply-To: <355BD073.971B3EED@suutari.iki.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I say an announcement a few weeks ago of transparent proxying... was that you? julian On Fri, 15 May 1998, Ari Suutari wrote: > Hi, > > Philippe Regnauld wrote: > > > > now I'm hitting another interesting problem -- I'd like > > to do "transparent" proxy redirection, i.e.: > > I would like outgoing traffic to any 80 to be silently > > redirected to the Squid (on the local net or on the > > firewall). This should work, since modern WWW clients > > include the full url (vor VHosts reasons) in the request. > > > > We (most work done by Charles Mott, the author of libalias and I) > have been working on transparent proxying. The code hasn't been > released > yet, but I have been running it succesfully for a couple of weeks now. > > Ari S. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri May 15 02:39:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18154 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itesec.hsc.fr (root@itesec.hsc.fr [192.70.106.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18111 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:39:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@hsc.fr) Received: from mars.hsc.fr (pb@mars.hsc.fr [192.70.106.44]) by itesec.hsc.fr (8.8.8/8.8.5/itesec-1.12-nospam) with ESMTP id LAA23750; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:38:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from pb@localhost) by mars.hsc.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5/pb-19970301) id LAA23867; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:39:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980515113859.CU28873@mars.hsc.fr> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:38:59 +0200 From: Pierre.Beyssac@hsc.fr (Pierre Beyssac) To: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh) Cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: INRIA IPv6 on FreeBSD References: <19980515005841.C18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <1089.895201195@coconut.itojun.org> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1e Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1089.895201195@coconut.itojun.org>; from Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh on May 15, 1998 11:59:55 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh: > I'm now looking into INRIA for FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE (4/29/98 I think) > but I see both sys/netinet/tcp_input.c and sys/netinet/tcp6_input.c, > which are almost identical. > Am I mistaking something, or obsoleted source is left in the tree? What you're seeing is the "older" implementation. They only did the sharing for NetBSD yet. I have no idea how much work it would be port this to FreeBSD-current (or even 2.2.x), but that would certainly be interesting. > WIDE stack is also thinking about tcp4/6 and udp4/6 merge too and > about good/bad points of merged one and separate one. Problem for > us is that we have to do the merge for FreeBSD, NetBSD and BSDI > separately (since they modified tcp/udp code separately...) Yes, I experienced that too: even between FreeBSD 2.2.5 and -current, you have substantial differences, especially in the TCP code organization. The ones I remember are: - PCB hash table - tcp_rspsomething vs tcp_respond - usrreq handling (switch vs function table) - multicast addresses recognition - little details such as time_second/getmicrotime stuff and there are certainly a couple of others I forget about. Adapting all this is not very difficult but it takes some work and checking. I haven't finished checking yet there are no places I left some older code. -- Pierre.Beyssac@hsc.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri May 15 03:37:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25739 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:37:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25734 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:36:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id MAA04672; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:36:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:36:02 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Eliezer Rodriguez Gonzalez Cc: Evren Yurtesen , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail References: Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 15 May 1998 12:36:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: Eliezer Rodriguez Gonzalez's message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 16:57:30 -0400 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eliezer Rodriguez Gonzalez writes: > You can connect up to four hubs in a daisy-chained fashion. I mean in a > serie, one exactly behind the other. Beware, the cable to connect one > hub to another is crossover cable, not a straight-through one. Boink. That depends on the particular type of hub. Most modern hubs have a port (usually the last, or rightmost, port) with either two connectors (one of which is crossed internally) or a switch to enable or disable crossing. With these hubs, it doesn't matter if the cable is crossed or not. You just plug in the cable, and if the link light doesn't come on, you flip the switch. All Accton hubs (at least the 16, 16i and 16mi), to mention just one brand, have this functionality. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri May 15 03:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26272 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26258 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:39:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA01815; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:39:29 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA24138; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:39:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980515123927.11796@follo.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:39:27 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Garrett Wollman Cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues References: <13658.27284.20359.164715@silver.sms.fi> <3801.895139158@time.cdrom.com> <19980515003707.A18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <199805150256.WAA29412@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805150256.WAA29412@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>; from Garrett Wollman on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 10:56:52PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 10:56:52PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > There's a BIG difference: almost everybody on the Internet will > > have to run IPv6 sooner or later. > > More likely later than sooner. I believe we'll need to have IPv6 in -stable sometime in the 3.0 timeframe (ie, 3.0.5-stable is likely to _need_ to have IPv6), so getting it in is actually something that should have quite a bit of priority. Of course, if we can't find somebody that will maintain it, we can't - but then we seriously risk loosing the bandwagon :-( Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri May 15 03:42:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26806 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:42:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26799 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:42:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id MAA05004; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:38:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:38:33 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Petri Helenius Cc: Garrett Wollman , Pierre Beyssac , net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues References: <13658.27284.20359.164715@silver.sms.fi> <3801.895139158@time.cdrom.com> <19980515003707.A18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <199805150256.WAA29412@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <13659.51336.457818.157020@silver.sms.fi> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 15 May 1998 12:38:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: Petri Helenius's message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 07:47:38 +0300 (EEST)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Petri Helenius writes: > This should be going off onto a *-chat list but I would say that IPv6 > is likely to happen sooner than one might think. It's the usual way > with many things. Then we'll all be running WinNT if you keep your > attitude. *giggle* Windows NT doesn't have an IPv6 stack, and there are no third-party stacks for NT either AFAIK. There is one for Windows '95 but it sucks rocks through straws. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri May 15 04:22:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03742 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:22:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03726 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:22:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from pipeline.ch ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA68; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:21:14 +0200 Message-ID: <355C2548.B919F473@pipeline.ch> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:21:44 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav" CC: Petri Helenius , Garrett Wollman , Pierre Beyssac , net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues References: <13658.27284.20359.164715@silver.sms.fi> <3801.895139158@time.cdrom.com> <19980515003707.A18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <199805150256.WAA29412@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <13659.51336.457818.157020@silver.sms.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > > Petri Helenius writes: > > This should be going off onto a *-chat list but I would say that IPv6 > > is likely to happen sooner than one might think. It's the usual way > > with many things. Then we'll all be running WinNT if you keep your > > attitude. > > *giggle* Windows NT doesn't have an IPv6 stack, and there are no > third-party stacks for NT either AFAIK. There is one for Windows '95 > but it sucks rocks through straws. Thats not true for NT, there is an implementation avail *WITH* source for NT4, http://research.microsoft.com/. FTP Software has also an IPv6 implementation for 95/NT but it seems to be a bit outdated. -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri May 15 04:29:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05192 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05163 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:28:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09117; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:28:40 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id NAA10008; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:52:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id NAA15106; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:27:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980515132753.11371@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:27:53 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: Petri Helenius , Garrett Wollman , Pierre Beyssac , net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues References: <13658.27284.20359.164715@silver.sms.fi> <3801.895139158@time.cdrom.com> <19980515003707.A18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <199805150256.WAA29412@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <13659.51336.457818.157020@silver.sms.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpyaw3akew=2Efsf=40hrotti=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_from?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Fri=2C_May_15=2C_1998_a?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t_12=3A38=3A31PM_+0200?= X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav writes: > > with many things. Then we'll all be running WinNT if you keep your > > attitude. > > *giggle* Windows NT doesn't have an IPv6 stack, and there are no > third-party stacks for NT either AFAIK. Oops. It's there alright. And you can get the sources to it. > There is one for Windows '95 > but it sucks rocks through straws. That's gotta beat dead gophers through mile of steel conduit :-) -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri May 15 06:11:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20854 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20849 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:11:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id QAA17529; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:11:02 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:11:02 +0300 (EEST) From: Petri Helenius To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav ) Cc: Garrett Wollman , Pierre Beyssac , net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: v6 issues In-Reply-To: References: <13658.27284.20359.164715@silver.sms.fi> <3801.895139158@time.cdrom.com> <19980515003707.A18577@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <199805150256.WAA29412@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <13659.51336.457818.157020@silver.sms.fi> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13660.16038.858204.323034@silver.sms.fi> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id GAA20850 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav ) writes: > Petri Helenius writes: > > This should be going off onto a *-chat list but I would say that IPv6 > > is likely to happen sooner than one might think. It's the usual way > > with many things. Then we'll all be running WinNT if you keep your > > attitude. > > *giggle* Windows NT doesn't have an IPv6 stack, and there are no > third-party stacks for NT either AFAIK. There is one for Windows '95 > but it sucks rocks through straws. What do you call the thing that is available at: http://research.microsoft.com/msripv6/ ? Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri May 15 06:34:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23542 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from osku.suutari.iki.fi (kn6-045.ktvlpr.inet.fi [194.197.169.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23254 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ari@suutari.iki.fi) Received: from suutari.iki.fi (mocha.intranet.syncrontech.com [192.168.2.3]) by osku.suutari.iki.fi (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11536; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:32:40 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <355C4626.5B8EAF27@suutari.iki.fi> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:41:58 +0300 From: Ari Suutari X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer CC: Philippe Regnauld , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, cmott@srv.net Subject: Transparent proxying (was: IPFW + natd -redirect_port) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Julian Elischer wrote: > > I say an announcement a few weeks ago of transparent proxying... > was that you? > There was some discussion about it a few weeks ago which lead to Charles starting to write transparent proxying part for libalias and me starting to integrate it into natd. After that, we ended up with a test version (which mostly works) but it has been quite silent after that (for me, the reason was being busy at work). There is still some work left in address encoding, but the basic things work quite well and the system is quite usable with squid and browsers that send Host: -line. Also, someone should modify the 'transproxy' to understand destination encoding done by libalias if the system should support transparent proxying with older browsers that don't send Host: -line. I have also been using this to transparently tunnel TCP connections to customers who offer only ssh logon to one host at their network. Works great (we are running http, telnet, oracle and netbios over it at work). I was going to do transproxy modifications because of this, but transproxy wasn't suitable this kind of weird operation (I ended up in writing a simple tcp connection forwarder myself). Ari S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri May 15 11:44:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15242 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15211 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:44:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Mailer-Daemon@East.Sun.COM) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id LAA04797; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:44:13 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id OAA16738; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:44:11 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA03034; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:44:08 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA14225; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:54:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:54:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805151854.NAA14225@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: ari@suutari.iki.fi Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Transparent proxying (was: IPFW + natd -redirect_port) References: <355C4626.5B8EAF27@suutari.iki.fi> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a problem which I imagine to be fairly common, and this talk of transparent proxies suggests that the best solution is to be found by querying this list: I use various IP providers. Depending on the nonce provider, my smtp relay host varies, and my http/ftp proxy varies or becomes null. Currently I use a ppp linkup/linkdown pair to switch /etc/sendmail.cf, (but this means that I can't run sendmail as a daemon, which is a problem for other hosts on my lan, for which I route) and turn proxies on/off manually. Ideally, I think I should like to transparently proxy http/ftp for both the router and other LAN clients, or disable proxying entirely, depending on the route, and similarly to translate some dummy IP to the current relay host depending upon the route. What is the best current and the best near-future solution? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri May 15 16:52:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27534 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:52:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27488 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:52:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id QAA12928; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Evren Yurtesen cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 May 1998, Evren Yurtesen wrote: >hello >sorry maybe this is not a freebsd related problem but >I do not know where else I can ask this question... > >at my office I want to expand my network with installing >new hubs, how many hubs I can connect together? > >like this > >HUB------HUB------HUB-----... [I hope people on this list will correct me if I am wrong] This depends on a hub and media you use (fiber, 10Base, 100Base) In the old ethernet people follow the 5-4-3 rule: No more then five segments interconnected with four hubs, and no more then three segments populated with hosts. Consider you have two computers A and B which each connect to hub HA and HB like this: A----HA === HB----B Then the total length between A and B should be no longer then 100 meters for 10BaseT (copper), 412 meters for 100BaseF (fiber media) and 205 meters for 100BaseT (copper). You should really look at the web site of your hub manufacturer to get more info... > >and what can happen if I install too many hubs like this? They won't propagate the ethernet signal or will propagate it poorly. Ever noticed why 10BaseT cables are not 500 meters long? *grin* > >would it cause collusion on my network? >(well another thing I should ask it, why does collusion >occurs on a network?) > No, collisions are caused by for example two computer trying to send a packet at the same time, or a hub trying to send a packet to a computer and computer is trying to send a packet to a hub. Since a hub can't send packets at the same time (think of it as electricity going through the wire, that is all), it has a collision. See if you can find out more on the web about CSMA/CD standard and look at Exponential Binary Back-off principle. >again I am so sorry that I ask a question not really related We are here to help... Most of the time. *grin* -- Yan >to FreeBSD (well my server uses FreeBSD eh...) > >+--------------------------------------------------------+ >| Name : Evren Yurtesen - yurtesen@ispro.net.tr | >| S-mail: Mithatpasa Cad. No:1079/13 35290 Guzelyali | >| Home:+90-232-2857604 Work:+90-232-2463992 Izmir/TURKEY | >+--------------------------------------------------------+ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sat May 16 05:11:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07061 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:11:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from avrasya.ispro.net.tr (avrasya.ispro.net.tr [195.174.18.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA07031 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net.tr) Received: from localhost (yurtesen@localhost) by avrasya.ispro.net.tr (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21103 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:08:03 +0300 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:08:03 +0300 (EET DST) From: Evren Yurtesen To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: hello Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello I have a machine with adaptec pci 2920 scsi adapter... and I want to install freebsd as operating system but when I boot with freebsd startup disk it does not see the ethernet card (also it is not listed in supported ethernet cards list) how can I solve this problem? +--------------------------------------------------------+ | Name : Evren Yurtesen - yurtesen@ispro.net.tr | | S-mail: Mithatpasa Cad. No:1079/13 35290 Guzelyali | | Home:+90-232-2857604 Work:+90-232-2463992 Izmir/TURKEY | +--------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sat May 16 08:09:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23837 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from po.pacific.net.ph (po.pacific.net.ph [210.23.234.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23809 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:09:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xichrome@pacific.net.ph) Received: from pacific.net.ph ([210.23.240.72]) by po.pacific.net.ph (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11140) with ESMTP id AAA7817; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:09:28 +0800 Message-ID: <355DAD21.B23C9B83@pacific.net.ph> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:13:38 +0000 From: Joubert Uriarte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Evren Yurtesen CC: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hello References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Evren, Is the problem with your SCSI card or with the Ethernet Card? The reason I am asking, is that you started your message stating your SCSI adapter then proceeded with ethernet card problem. What is your ethernet card anyway? I may be able to help. Joubert Uriarte Evren Yurtesen wrote: > hello > I have a machine with adaptec pci 2920 scsi adapter... > and I want to install freebsd as operating system > but when I boot with freebsd startup disk it does not > see the ethernet card (also it is not listed in supported > ethernet cards list) > how can I solve this problem? > > +--------------------------------------------------------+ > | Name : Evren Yurtesen - yurtesen@ispro.net.tr | > | S-mail: Mithatpasa Cad. No:1079/13 35290 Guzelyali | > | Home:+90-232-2857604 Work:+90-232-2463992 Izmir/TURKEY | > +--------------------------------------------------------+ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sat May 16 08:23:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25849 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from po.pacific.net.ph (po.pacific.net.ph [210.23.234.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25833 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:23:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xichrome@pacific.net.ph) Received: from pacific.net.ph ([210.23.240.28]) by po.pacific.net.ph (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11140) with ESMTP id AAA8841; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:23:07 +0800 Message-ID: <355DB054.24EE3A09@pacific.net.ph> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:27:17 +0000 From: Joubert Uriarte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Evren Yurtesen , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hello References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you have the complete FreeBSD set consisting of 4 CD-ROMs, you will find the proper source code driver for your kernel in the fourth disk. You will also find a boot disk image in that directory. If you don't have the complete set, you can check at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org. There is an xpermnt directory there. Sorry, but I don't quite remember the exact path. You will find the proper drivers there as well. Take note that this is experimental code. I also have an Adaptec AHA-2920 on my machine. I am using the exact same code. It works for me with no problems. Good luck. Evren Yurtesen wrote: > ops! > sorry it is my scsi card... > sorry for the mistake... > I wanted to say "it is not listed in the supported scsi cards list" > > = ) > > +--------------------------------------------------------+ > | Name : Evren Yurtesen - yurtesen@ispro.net.tr | > | S-mail: Mithatpasa Cad. No:1079/13 35290 Guzelyali | > | Home:+90-232-2857604 Work:+90-232-2463992 Izmir/TURKEY | > +--------------------------------------------------------+ > > On Sat, 16 May 1998, Joubert Uriarte wrote: > > > Evren, > > > > Is the problem with your SCSI card or with the Ethernet Card? The > > reason I am asking, is that you started your message stating your SCSI > > adapter then proceeded with ethernet card problem. > > > > What is your ethernet card anyway? I may be able to help. > > > > Joubert Uriarte > > > > Evren Yurtesen wrote: > > > > > hello > > > I have a machine with adaptec pci 2920 scsi adapter... > > > and I want to install freebsd as operating system > > > but when I boot with freebsd startup disk it does not > > > see the ethernet card (also it is not listed in supported > > > ethernet cards list) > > > how can I solve this problem? > > > > > > +--------------------------------------------------------+ > > > | Name : Evren Yurtesen - yurtesen@ispro.net.tr | > > > | S-mail: Mithatpasa Cad. No:1079/13 35290 Guzelyali | > > > | Home:+90-232-2857604 Work:+90-232-2463992 Izmir/TURKEY | > > > +--------------------------------------------------------+ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sat May 16 20:52:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26394 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:52:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26383; Sat, 16 May 1998 20:52:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from newman.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA26317; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:52:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805170352.VAA26317@softweyr.com> Subject: Fastest ISA ethernet card? From: Wes Peters To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.5 (TrialWare) X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trolling for recommendations for a faster ethernet card for a 486 dx2/66 system. This system is being 'sidegraded' to a server, and the NE2000 in it is pretty poky. Please review your experiences with 10Base-T cards for FreeBSD on the ISA bus. Thanks in advance. (Yes, I've searched the archives, and am a victim of our success. Far too many messages, most of which have nothing to do with the performance of 10Base-T ISA cards. Grin.) -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr Softweyr llc mailto:wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message