From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 00:03:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03457 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:03:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03442 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:03:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from suleyman@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (suleyman@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA23324 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 03:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 03:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Seggerman To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New to the list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everybody: I have had FreeBSD 2.2.2 installed for about six months now, but hadn't been using it much until I got a new modem. I only joined the questions mailing list last week. Thanks to Sue Blake, I heard about this list. I doubt I would have found it browsing the FreeBSD.org web site. So freebsd-questions is just for technical questions relating to FreeBSD, and this is for everything else such as the frustrations and triumphs of the FreeBSD learning curve. First of all, I am really impressed with the dedication and quality of expertise shown by those who answer the questions in freebsd-questions. I was bowled over to actually get series of answers to my questions from the author of The Complete FreeBSD. I am overwhelmed by the volume of the mail I receive from the freebsd-questions list. I now have it filtered into its own mailbox, which I can empty from time to time. I barely have the time to read the titles of everything that comes in before deleting. I still feel that I might be missing something that I might be able to use later. I suppose I can always ask for help when I need it. I would welcome any advise or suggestions about managing the information overload. I have Windows 95 and FreeBSD installed on a Gateway 2000 133mHz machine with a 2gb hard drive. My next project is to add more RAM, install a second hard drive (4gb) and upgrade from 2.2.2 to 2.2.5. I have CDs for both. I need to keep Windows as I am taking C & C++ programming classes and writing and compiling for DOS or Windows. Anyway, it's great to be a newbie. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 01:10:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13537 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:10:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13523 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:10:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19361; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:10:13 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980426181008.64910@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:10:08 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE References: <19980425152512194.AAA218.270@webmail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980425152512194.AAA218.270@webmail>; from Maximiliano A. Eschoyez on Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 12:25:12PM -0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 12:25:12PM -0300, Maximiliano A. Eschoyez wrote: > I'm Maxi, a student of Telecomunications (engineer) [I'm trying > to learn english because here, Argentina, we speak spanish, so > excuse my errors] Hi Maxi, I'm in Australia. Not many people speak Spanish here but I tried to learn it once. You would laugh at me, but my cat always purred when I practised :-) It's the world's best language for making jokes! The one about Gill Bates nearly made me drop my coffee :-) > You know, I'm a newbie because I've been istalling Free-BSD > since 15th of April (my PC only boots, that's a good goal). It's > very hard to move from DOS to UNIX-like OS with only one book > (The Complete Free-BSD). That's the only book you need for FreeBSD itself, but if you're like most of us you need a really easy book to learn unix commands. Some time next week we'll have a Newbies Resources web page on the FreeBSD site, but meanwhile you can grab it from http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/resources.html It mentions some on line sources of info about learning unix, and has links to places where you can find a whole lot more. There are some good tutorials on line but get a unix book one day if you can. If you are unfamiliar with unix in general as well as FreeBSD, these things should help a lot. > I'm doing a hard work, because I'm studying Free-BSD alone, but > it's interesting 'cause I want to learn about networks (for my > career) and always UNIXs are the most estable System for that. Most of us newbies seem to be learning FreeBSD and unix alone too. At least we can come here and complain to each other now :-) And you already know that for networking you've made a great choice of operating system. Let us know how you get on! And if you find any more good info for learning (or Spanish computer jokes), share it with us :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 01:28:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17054 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:28:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA17019 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:28:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (dialB01.aei.ca [206.123.6.85]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA19354; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 04:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3542EFE1.A0908999@aei.ca> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 04:27:13 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Seggerman CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to the list References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ken Seggerman wrote: > Anyway, it's great to be a newbie. > Absolutly :-) Malartre -- -------------------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ FreeBSD 4 Newbies project Windows_95-B Unix FreeBSD-2.2.5 -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 01:33:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17556 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:33:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA17548 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:32:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19410; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:32:41 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980426183235.52252@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:32:36 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Ken Seggerman Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to the list References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Ken Seggerman on Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 03:03:51AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 03:03:51AM -0400, Ken Seggerman wrote: > Hello everybody: > > I have had FreeBSD 2.2.2 installed for about six months now, but hadn't > been using it much until I got a new modem. I only joined the questions > mailing list last week. > > Thanks to Sue Blake, I heard about this list. I doubt I would have found > it browsing the FreeBSD.org web site. That'll change soon. The list has been going for a month. The only way that anyone knew about it (someone correct me if I'm wrong) was a single message sent to freebsd-announce when it started. I'm almost surprised there's anyone here at all :-) A few days ago I dropped a couple of hints on the newsgroup and we'll be visible on the web site next week. > I am overwhelmed by the volume of the mail I receive from the > freebsd-questions list. I now have it filtered into its own mailbox, which > I can empty from time to time. I barely have the time to read the titles > of everything that comes in before deleting. I still feel that I might be > missing something that I might be able to use later. > > I suppose I can always ask for help when I need it. I would welcome any > advise or suggestions about managing the information overload. I find the messages I save from freebsd-questions very useful, especially if I save only a few and go through them every now and then and sort them into topic areas. But no need to be too worried about missing something. All of -questions is archived and you can search through it at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html If you feel like playing with software you could install mutt and check out how it sorts mail into threads for delet^H^H^H^H^H reading.I couldn't cope with freebsd-questions any other way now, I'm so hooked on mutt. > Anyway, it's great to be a newbie. Sometimes :-) It's also great to be not the only newbie. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 06:32:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29524 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:26:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server4.mpcbbs.com.br (server4.mpc.com.br [200.246.0.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA28713 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:17:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from capriotti@geocities.com) Received: from hot_nt (node28.mpc.com.br [200.246.0.28]) by server4.mpcbbs.com.br (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA20895; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:15:43 -0300 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00ba8750@pop.mpc.com.br> X-Sender: capriotti@pop.mpc.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:14:57 -0300 To: Rainer M Duffner , "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" From: Capriotti Subject: Re: KDE Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, now I thin this one deserves a good position. >I wonder anyway; all these South-American countries that are cronically >'broke' would be 10000 times better served (pun intended) buy moving >large parts of their IT-infrastructure to FreeBSD/Linux. Technicaly, yes. > How can your >University afford all these NT/Win95 licenses, how can it afford the >24-months HW-upgrades ? Pretty simple. Mr. Gates offers NT-based stuff for free, sources included; All SW developed using those sources become MS's property. and about the HW upgrade, we simply don't upgrade. We run slow machines. Now, though you may say that the Latin-American countries are broken, there is always a way to buy new computer, specially when you want to build a new mentality, product or tendency. I mean that if the industry need some more ppl to work with NT, they just give NT and the needed HW for free to Universities. Pretty easy, isn't it ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 08:24:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09414 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 08:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (root@gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09294 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de) Received: from duffner.konstanz.netsurf.de (surf68.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.68]) by gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA21468; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:19:27 +0200 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:19:04 +0200 (MESZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: KDE To: Capriotti cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00ba8750@pop.mpc.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun 26 Apr, Capriotti wrote: > Hey, now I thin this one deserves a good position. > and about the HW upgrade, we simply don't upgrade. We run slow machines. Ermmm..... isn't this......'unproductive', to say the least ? > Now, though you may say that the Latin-American countries are broken, there > is always a way to buy new computer, specially when you want to build a new > mentality, product or tendency. > > I mean that if the industry need some more ppl to work with NT, they just > give NT and the needed HW for free to Universities. OK, pretty much the same here, though (at least here at the very south end of Germany) industry doesn't donate _that_ much hardware.... > Pretty easy, isn't it ? I'd fdisk NT pretty fast from 'em...... ;-) cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 09:42:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15499 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:14:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15373 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from ale (pm3g-33.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.82]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03449; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:10:27 -0700 (PDT) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980426091048.006a0000@pacificnet.net> X-Sender: bear@pacificnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:10:48 -0700 To: Sue Blake , "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" From: Joey Garcia Subject: Re: KDE Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980426181008.64910@welearn.com.au> References: <19980425152512194.AAA218.270@webmail> <19980425152512194.AAA218.270@webmail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:10 PM 4/26/98 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > >That's the only book you need for FreeBSD itself, but if you're like most >of us you need a really easy book to learn unix commands. Some time next >week we'll have a Newbies Resources web page on the FreeBSD site, but >meanwhile you can grab it from >http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/resources.html Talking about learning unix commands, I had a url to some hackers website that had a good list of usable unix commands and what they did. Problem is, his website is like not working or something. I'll email him to see what's up and then I'll post it to the list. It was a nice list, and because of his list I increase the number of commands that I used in order to get the job done (system administration or what not). I'll try to keep you guys/gals posted. See ya. Joey Bear Garcia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 11:26:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29327 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:25:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server4.mpcbbs.com.br (server4.mpc.com.br [200.246.0.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25719 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:52:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from capriotti@geocities.com) Received: from hot_nt (node58.mpc.com.br [200.246.0.58]) by server4.mpcbbs.com.br (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA29098; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:50:12 -0300 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980426144619.00939250@pop.mpc.com.br> X-Sender: capriotti@pop.mpc.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:49:19 -0300 To: Joey Garcia , Sue Blake , "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" From: Capriotti Subject: Re: KDE Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, joey ! Make ure you cc it to -question too, ok ? At 09:10 AM 4/26/98 -0700, Joey Garcia wrote: >At 06:10 PM 4/26/98 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: >> >>That's the only book you need for FreeBSD itself, but if you're like most >>of us you need a really easy book to learn unix commands. Some time next >>week we'll have a Newbies Resources web page on the FreeBSD site, but >>meanwhile you can grab it from >>http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/resources.html > > >Talking about learning unix commands, I had a url to some hackers website >that had a good list of usable unix commands and what they did. Problem >is, his website is like not working or something. I'll email him to see >what's up and then I'll post it to the list. It was a nice list, and >because of his list I increase the number of commands that I used in order >to get the job done (system administration or what not). I'll try to keep >you guys/gals posted. See ya. > >Joey Bear Garcia > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 11:49:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29565 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:27:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postman.true.net (s1.admin.true.net [161.196.66.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27924 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from defaultuser@domain.com) Received: from s2.admin.true.net (mail.cantv.net [161.196.66.21]) by postman.true.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA19663 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:08:04 -0400 (VET) Received: from domain.com (root@localhost) by s2.admin.true.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA13949 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:03:55 -0400 (VET) X-BlackMail: tc2-cha-47.ras.cantv.net.63.196.161.in-addr.arpa, domain.com, defaultuser@domain.com, 161.196.63.51 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 14:03:55(VET) on April 26, 1998 Message-ID: <354379E2.C9E88D1A@domain.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:16:03 -0400 From: simon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE References: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00ba8750@pop.mpc.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Some more thoughts about this..... > >I wonder anyway; all these South-American countries that are cronically > >'broke' would be 10000 times better served (pun intended) buy moving > >large parts of their IT-infrastructure to FreeBSD/Linux. > > Technicaly, yes. > > > How can your > >University afford all these NT/Win95 licenses, how can it afford the > >24-months HW-upgrades ? > > Pretty simple. Mr. Gates offers NT-based stuff for free, sources included; > All SW developed using those sources become MS's property. > > and about the HW upgrade, we simply don't upgrade. We run slow machines. > > Now, though you may say that the Latin-American countries are broken, there > is always a way to buy new computer, specially when you want to build a new > mentality, product or tendency. > > I mean that if the industry need some more ppl to work with NT, they just > give NT and the needed HW for free to Universities. > > Pretty easy, isn't it ? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message Hi most of you have never seen my name around the list although Iīve dropping by almost two months ago (minus the week I spent on my honeymoon, for obvious reasons I couldnīt get in touch), Iīm a sysems engineer working in Caracas, Venezuela, and for those of you who donīt know the reality about the software industries in many LatinAmerican countries I will try to explain it to you in a few words: Not enough source of information and NOT A SINGLE SOUL willing to search and find it and as a second fact I will say that the software industry (as mostly all bussinesses down here) wants ROI at the maximum speed and profitability at 150% or more. Under these conditions you might view the scenario: "work with dummies that can learn just the simple facts of the trade and exploit them to the bones, the less they know the more profitable they are since they can be well managed (like cattle) and besides why bother using something that you have to spend some time learning, while we have an 'american product' (in our very poor mentality is a synonym of "good quality", no offense intended..believe me) which is used there (USA) for all the computer industry, is fast to set up and can give me the profits I want in no time, without having to spend a single coin or a nanosec. in training..." While you meditate about these ideas I am sharing with all of you, I will say that there are a lot of us who do not agree with this philosophy and are working very hard to try to change it. Like for example in the place I work right now, I am trying to push the idea of a FreeBSD server to be used as a Firewall for our network once we end up the installation of a few routers. Believe me, itīs very hard to explain the benefits to people accustomed to work in a MSWindows95/NT enviroment with that gregarious mentality. But since I am the only one who has spent some time working at first with IBM AIX and now installing the FreeBSD unix here at home, I am the one with the "information" and all tends toward having my idea accepted in the company. Now the only way to change this is by showing, not how good is one compared to the other (FreeBSD-Win/NT) but how profitable and efficient the product is. I will start by giving them just a peek to heaven, when I succeed, FreeBSD unix will gain a battle in this very complicated War scenario, and probably I will gain some adepts among my colleagues and clients. Finally, as I read this letter to my wife (who is also a collegue and works in MVS in a bank) she quickly stepped into the room and brought me a small book given to her while she took a week course in IBM OS/390 and showed me a very beatiful quote in brasillian portuguese that I will translate to all of you: "Quando voce nao sabe onde quer ir, qualquer caminho lhe leva la. Use Unix..." which translates into: "When you donīt know where to go, any road leads you there. Use Unix." Greetings to all of you. Simon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 13:40:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14229 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:31:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11377 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28711; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:00:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <3543926A.9F8A4EDC@san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:00:42 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0420 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE References: <19980425152512194.AAA218.270@webmail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maximiliano A. Eschoyez wrote: > * Why people under UNIX-like OS try to emulate a MS 'Operative > System' * We don't necessarily. :) > Well, Who am I? > > I'm Maxi, a student of Telecomunications (engineer) [I'm trying > to learn english because here, Argentina, we speak spanish, so > excuse my errors] Bienvenidos amigo. :) Many people have posted lots of good advice for helping you to learn FreeBSD, so I won't cover that topic again. I do want to talk about the idea of KDE emulating Windows. I am searching for a window manager that I really like, and haven't found one that has everything I want yet. I am currently trying KDE, so I read up on it quite a bit. What the developer claims (and I have no reason to doubt him) is that he has never seen the Windows 95 interface, so he is not trying to emulate it. In fact, KDE looks a lot more like OS/2 than it looks like Windows 95. There is another important point here though. There is a big difference between the *user interface* and the *operating system*. In Windows 95, the operating system is still (mostly) DOS. There is a more sophisticated user interface and a slightly more sophisticated application starting/scheduling engine when compared to Windows 3.1, but the operating system itself is still basically DOS. (Windows NT is a whole different story, but I digress.) However, in spite of all of Windows' faults in its various incarnations, the user interface is pretty good. In fact, Windows 95's user interface borrowed a lot of ideas from macintosh and several ideas from OS/2 and came up with a fairly good mix. The fact that the operating system crashes on a fairly regular basis is a whole different pot of beans. :) Now that memory and disk space are both pretty cheap, there is no reason not to put a more friendly face on the power of unix for the desktop user. It is still important to know the command line, and I use it every day. But you also can't deny that it is easier to be productive when you can have many projects (command line or otherwise) instantly available to you at the same time with just a few clicks of the mouse. This is the reason that emacs became very popular in the unix world as a user interface (in addition to its other functions) long before it became possible to run X on almost every desktop. Having a good graphical user interface doesn't pollute the beauty of unix, it makes it accessible to a whole new group of people. I think that's a good thing. :) As David Greenman said recently (and I'm paraphrasing a bit :), it's not FreeBSD vs. the rest of the world, it's free software vs. those who would try to force us into their model so that they can profit from our misery. Hasta luego, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 14:10:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18047 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17583 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:56:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26993; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:56:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <35439F7B.E87B96B5@san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:56:27 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0420 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Seggerman CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New to the list References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [some snippage] Ken Seggerman wrote: > > Hello everybody: Welcome. :) > So freebsd-questions is just for technical questions relating to FreeBSD, > and this is for everything else such as the frustrations and triumphs of > the FreeBSD learning curve. Basically, that's how things are. > First of all, I am really impressed with the dedication and quality of > expertise shown by those who answer the questions in freebsd-questions. May I suggest then that you post briefly to that effect on freebsd-questions? There are some who have attacked various elements of how things happen on -questions lately, and although there are problems that need to be addressed it is always useful (and uplifting :) to hear words of praise for the things that go well. > I am overwhelmed by the volume of the mail I receive from the > freebsd-questions list. I now have it filtered into its own mailbox, which > I can empty from time to time. I barely have the time to read the titles > of everything that comes in before deleting. I still feel that I might be > missing something that I might be able to use later. One of my main sources for learning about freebsd was reading -questions and trying the stuff that people suggested. As you learn more about the system you will more easily recognize the things that might be relevant or useful to you and the things that you can easily ignore. > I suppose I can always ask for help when I need it. Of course. :) Good luck, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 26 16:40:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06453 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:36:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02730 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:55:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bjc23@hermes.cam.ac.uk) Received: from bjc23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for newbies@freebsd.org id 0yTaKK-0004Uv-00; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:55:16 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:55:16 +0100 (BST) From: Ben Cohen X-Sender: bjc23@red.csi.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: bjc23@hermes.cam.ac.uk To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: System shutdown message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! When I shutdown the system (2.2.5) using shutdown -h now the system normally gives me a message "Power off or press any key to reboot" (or words to that effect). However, sometimes the system does not display the message (although it has clearly reached the same stage because pressing any key reboots and it doesn't show that the system was not shutdown properly on rebooting). Why is this? Ben. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 27 06:54:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15094 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:54:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from login-2.eunet.no (0@login-2.eunet.no [193.71.71.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15066 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:54:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from havardjv@gudmund.vgs.no) Received: from arwen.myst.no (pc46.bergen-pm2-1.eunet.no [193.75.12.53]) by login-2.eunet.no (8.8.8/8.8.3/Torbjorn) with ESMTP id PAA05860 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:27:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (hjv@localhost) by arwen.myst.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA00586 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:50:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from havardjv@gudmund.vgs.no) X-Authentication-Warning: arwen.myst.no: hjv owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:50:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Haavard Vaagstoel X-Sender: hjv@arwen.myst.no Reply-To: Haavard Vaagstoel To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE In-Reply-To: <354379E2.C9E88D1A@domain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, simon wrote: Simon, you really should set a proper email address; this message appeared to come from "defaultuser@domain.com". > Now the only way to change this is by showing, not how good is one > compared to the other (FreeBSD-Win/NT) but how profitable and efficient > the product is. I will start by giving them just a peek to heaven, when > I succeed, FreeBSD unix will gain a battle in this very complicated War > scenario, and probably I will gain some adepts among my colleagues and > clients. Well, it is indeed a war that needs to be fought. From what you are describing here, you could say that FreeBSD is used as a weapon; not only versus Microsoft and Bill Gates, but versus foreign capitalistic interests (such as MS' interests in the software market) in poor countries in general. Perhaps you could think of it as a symbol :-) Keep up the good work! -- Haavard Vaagstoel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 27 13:46:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03192 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:46:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03156 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:46:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03400 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com(207.76.205.64) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003396; Mon Apr 27 13:46:03 1998 Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA00739 for newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:45:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199804272045.NAA00739@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD mentioned (favorably) in SunExpert Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Received my copy of SunExpert over the weekend; Rich Morin's column mentions Eric Raymond's "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" paper (in connection with the source-code release for Netscape's Web browsers), and points out that the FreeBSD model lies between the "Cathedral" and the "Bazaar" models of software development. I found it a useful way of looking at the way the FreeBSD "core" team works (though I'm sure there are some differences in perception as to how the core team works -- probably even (especially!) within the core team...). For what it might be worth in some universe, david To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 28 09:17:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26141 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.cityip.co.za (ns.cityip.co.za [196.25.223.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25994; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjv@cityip.co.za) Received: from wjv by ns.cityip.co.za with local (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yUD3U-0000oU-00; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:16:28 +0200 Subject: Re: Eureka! Pasting into netscape In-Reply-To: <353D8EFD.CE0DAD3E@san.rr.com> from Studded at "Apr 21, 98 11:32:29 pm" To: Studded@san.rr.com (Studded) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:16:28 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-PGP: ftp://ftp.cityip.co.za/users/wjv/pubkey.asc X-URL: http://www.cityip.co.za/~wjv/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Johann Visagie Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Studded wrote: > > I love netscape and use it in X for mail, news and of course, web > browsing. The only thing I didn't like about it was that I couldn't > paste into netscape from other parts of X. It was making me batty. What > I was doing was what I learned somewhere, swiping with mouse button one > to highlight what I wanted, clicking once with mouse button one to copy > the text to the clipboard and then clicking once with the middle button > to paste. This worked fine for EVERY app except netscape. [ snip ] > remember why I wanted to try this idea, but anyway what I did was > highlight the text in the xterm and *leave* it highlighted. Then I > clicked in netscape with the middle button and Voila! It pasted. You > can't imagine my joy. :) When you select something (whether using click&drag, double-click[&drag], triple-click[&drag] or click&shift-rightclick), the selected text is automatically and immediately copied to the global cut buffer and the selection named PRIMARY. This is (AFAIK) default behaviour for X apps. If you select text and then click again, the selected text remains in the cut buffer, but the PRIMARY selection is once again empty. If you paste using the (usually) middle button, then xterm (and many other X apps) will first try to paste from the PRIMARY selection, then from the cut buffer. However, it seems that Netscape _only_ tries to paste from the PRIMARY selection. No, I didn't know any of this... ;-) But when I read your posting I thought "Hello, I've never tried to click again after selecting...", and then I did a little reading through man pages and the like... See, for instance, the section on POINTER USAGE in xterm(1). -- V Johann Visagie | Email: wjv@CityIP.co.za | Tel: +27 21 419-7878 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 28 09:41:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02556 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:41:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from servicios.ubp.edu.ar (2.95.32.200.in-addr.arpa [200.32.95.2] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02513 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:41:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from webmail ([200.32.95.2]) by servicios.ubp.edu.ar (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 137; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:44:13 -0300 From: "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" To: Studded Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 1.0x [Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I)] Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:44:13 -0300 Message-ID: <19980428164413935.AAA216.137@webmail> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wrote: >> * Why people under UNIX-like OS try to emulate a MS 'Operative >> System' * Studded wrote: > We don't necessarily. :) Studded: Thanks for the welcome. I know the differences, and I donīt think that WIN95 is a bad idea, it tries to make things easier. Thatīs why I agree with you in trying to emulate it, but I prefer to use a system that doesnīt look like Windows. > Now that memory and disk space are both pretty cheap, there is no >reason not to put a more friendly face on the power of unix for the >desktop user. It is still important to know the command line, and I use >it every day. But you also can't deny that it is easier to be productive >when you can have many projects (command line or otherwise) instantly >available to you at the same time with just a few clicks of the mouse. >This is the reason that emacs became very popular in the unix world as a >user interface (in addition to its other functions) long before it >became possible to run X on almost every desktop. > > Having a good graphical user interface doesn't pollute the beauty of >unix, it makes it accessible to a whole new group of people. I think >that's a good thing. :) As David Greenman said recently (and I'm >paraphrasing a bit :), it's not FreeBSD vs. the rest of the world, it's >free software vs. those who would try to force us into their model so >that they can profit from our misery. Thatīs true, if we want a good OS we could take the best points of the others and try to emulate and improve. The reason that I donīt want to use WIN95 is because you have to have the newest PC, and for me thatīs not the point. I think: if your PC covers your necessities, still using it. I donīt need the best PC īcause Iīm only a student, if I need Iīll buy it. Now I have a i486 dx2 66Mhz, but my grandpa is going to give me a Pentium 166Mhz (my 486 have three years with my). Well, I donīt like Microsoft policy īcause itīs part of a cruel system. Regards. Maxi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 28 10:04:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07454 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:04:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from servicios.ubp.edu.ar (2.95.32.200.in-addr.arpa [200.32.95.2] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07332 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from webmail ([200.32.95.2]) by servicios.ubp.edu.ar (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 40; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:07:06 -0300 From: "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" To: Sue Blake Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: News across the Pacific X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 1.0x [Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I)] Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:07:06 -0300 Message-ID: <19980428170706448.AAA216.40@webmail> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue: Hi, I could see that you are in the south of the world too. Here, we say that we are in "el culo del mundo" (the butt of the world). >Let us know how you get on! And if you find any more good info for >learning (or Spanish computer jokes), share it with us :-) Sue, You know why all the Microsoft Products have a lot bugs and drives the users mad, īcause they are MS-... (a mess, je) English is good to make jokes too. Iīll be sending jokes īcause here I read a magazine call īPC Usersī that is based in learning and enjoying at the same time. Cheers. Maxi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 28 10:18:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10744 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:18:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from servicios.ubp.edu.ar (2.95.32.200.in-addr.arpa [200.32.95.2] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09851 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from webmail ([200.32.95.2]) by servicios.ubp.edu.ar (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 424; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:16:59 -0300 From: "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" To: "Leon Felipe Rodriguez J. -CENCAR" Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Saludos manito! X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 1.0x [Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I)] Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:16:59 -0300 Message-ID: <19980428171659321.AAA179.424@webmail> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leon: Por fin puedo escribir una carta completamente en castellano. Una preguntita, cual es el significado de .udg? Por ejemplo .org es de Organization, .com de Commercial, cierto? Saludos. Maxi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 28 10:27:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12360 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:27:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from servicios.ubp.edu.ar (2.95.32.200.in-addr.arpa [200.32.95.2] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11695 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from webmail ([200.32.95.2]) by servicios.ubp.edu.ar (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 534; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:26:43 -0300 From: "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" To: Joey Garcia Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Saludos X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 1.0x [Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I)] Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:26:43 -0300 Message-ID: <19980428172642960.AAA216.534@webmail> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Duros? hmmm, bueno si un poco. Es que "Gill Bates" tiene desmasiado de >dinero y trata de comprar cada compania que el crea que le puede a tumbar. >Eso es la problema del capitolismo y democracia en los estados unidos, que >un solo hombre puede tener tanto dinero y poder. Parece imposible de >tumbar al Bill Gates de su monopoly (en ingles). El software del tiene >errores pero son bien facil para aprender y usar. Por eso son muy >populares. Vamos a ver que trae el futuro. Que tenga un buen dia! Joey: I know, Bill looks like a boy playing MONOPOLY, he donīt care on the others programmers. Bill is a great businessman, he knows how to create new habits to the pc-users and make dependecy īcause heīs the only one who could satisfied them in a short time (he has lots of programmers working for him). See ya. Maxi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 28 10:36:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13818 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:36:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from servicios.ubp.edu.ar (2.95.32.200.in-addr.arpa [200.32.95.2] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13791 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:35:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from webmail ([200.32.95.2]) by servicios.ubp.edu.ar (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 499; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:36:44 -0300 From: "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" To: Ken Seggerman Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hello, new in the list X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 1.0x [Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I)] Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:36:44 -0300 Message-ID: <19980428173644295.AAA216.499@webmail> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ken: Hello and welcome to newbies. >as I am taking C & C++ programming classes and writing and compiling for >DOS or Windows. If I could help you, I know how to program under Borland C++ for DOS (not all) using the low level I could reach (I donīt like to use libraries if I could use the bios or memory) >Anyway, it's great to be a newbie. Yes, Iīm a newbie too and I very proud. Regards. Maxi (Argentina) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 28 10:50:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16405 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:50:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from servicios.ubp.edu.ar (2.95.32.200.in-addr.arpa [200.32.95.2] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16317 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from webmail ([200.32.95.2]) by servicios.ubp.edu.ar (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 330 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:53:24 -0300 From: "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I donīt know how to put here X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 1.0x [Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I)] Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:53:24 -0300 Message-ID: <19980428175324363.AAA179.330@webmail> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Newbies: Iīm writing this mail because sometimes Iīll could reply the messages quickly. The problem (well, isnīt a problem) is that I havenīt Internet at home, I use it at the college under an HTTP page (like HotMail, NetAddress). Sometimes is very difficult to me to surf over the net īcause some Internuts are surfing too and the University network slows down. Our servers are two Pentiums (one in the Campus and other in the Center). The two servers are connected via point-to-point in C band, and it administrates about 200 machines. Other point is that here in Argentina we only have tho phones channel (128kbits per second) to access internet for the whole country (could someone believe that). My University (Blas Pascal http://www.ubp.edu.ar) is building a teleport to take Internet directly from the satellite, to improve speed and could do teleconferencies and education in distance (non commercial purposes). Well, I'll always reply the messages but that's why I could response quickly. Cheers. Maxi PD: What happens with the characters that we delete? They goes to the heaven or hell of ASCII's? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 30 12:36:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05028 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:36:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from servicios.ubp.edu.ar (200.32.95.2.impsat.net.ar.95.32.200.in-addr.arpa [200.32.95.2] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04976 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from webmail ([200.32.95.2]) by servicios.ubp.edu.ar (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 246; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:36:41 -0300 From: "Maximiliano A. Eschoyez" To: Joey Garcia Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Saludos manito! X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 1.0x [Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I)] Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:36:41 -0300 Message-ID: <19980430193641698.AAA299.246@webmail> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wrote: >> Una preguntita, cual es el significado de .udg? Por ejemplo .org >> es de Organization, .com de Commercial, cierto? Joey wrote: >Hmmm... .udg? No tengo idea. Yo nunca le a visto. Interesante. Donde lo >vistes? Joey: I couldn't find the e-mail where I saw '.udg', but it was on a Leon's mail. It doesn't matter, the point is that I've never saw it. Cheers. Maxi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 1 19:30:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14310 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:30:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14252 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13404 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199805020230.MAA13404@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 24 April 1998) This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies. We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook317.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 2 03:53:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04938 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:53:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04933 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:53:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14749; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:53:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980502205340.21553@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:53:41 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: searching mail archives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org New! Improved! Check it out! :-) http://www.freebsd.org/search.html (I wonder if I missed an announcement or if this is a sneak preview) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message