From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 4 14:19:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27528 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from violet.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@violet.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27468 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bjc23@hermes.cam.ac.uk) Received: from bjc23.trin.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.212.250]) by violet.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org id 0yWSdZ-0001wK-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:19:01 +0100 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:19:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ben Cohen X-Sender: bjc23@bjc23.trin.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: bjc23@hermes.cam.ac.uk To: FreeBSD Newbies Mailing List Subject: FreeBSD Console Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I am using the default console driver in FreeBSD, that is, I haven't changed to the vt220 one in the kernel config. However, there are a few minor glitches which I would like to remove if possible. I'd prefer not to change to the vt220 driver as everything else seems fine under the default driver. What are the differences between the two drivers and what are the advantages and disadvantages of each? One is when telnet-ing to other machines, backspace gives ^H, rather than the desired effect (of deleting a character, which must then be done by delete). Is there any way of avoiding this? (Does telnet support emulation of another TERM type from the end it's run on rather than the telnetd end?) Also, there seems to be a problem when using Pine 3.96. I have disable-keymenus _enabled_ to display more lines on the screen, but this appears to cause display problems. For example, if I compose a message and then press ^C to cancel, the display moves one line up and an extra line is added at the bottom. I don't know whether or not this is a problem with Pine or the console driver, since (a) it's fine in an xterm and (b) it's fine with disable-keymenus _disabled_. Does anyone know what the problem could be? Thanks. Ben. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 4 18:57:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24283 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:57:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24225; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:57:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25426; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:57:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980505115716.21150@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:57:16 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: bjc23@hermes.cam.ac.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Console References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Ben Cohen on Mon, May 04, 1998 at 10:19:01PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ben, this is one for freebsd-questions so I'm answering there. On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 10:19:01PM +0100, Ben Cohen wrote: > I am using the default console driver in FreeBSD, that is, I haven't > changed to the vt220 one in the kernel config. I've never heard of anyone else changing either. I tried it once, out of curiosity, but went straight back. > However, there are a few minor glitches which I would like to remove if > possible. I'd prefer not to change to the vt220 driver as everything else > seems fine under the default driver. What are the differences between the > two drivers and what are the advantages and disadvantages of each? > > One is when telnet-ing to other machines, backspace gives ^H, rather than > the desired effect (of deleting a character, which must then be done by > delete). Is there any way of avoiding this? (Does telnet support > emulation of another TERM type from the end it's run on rather than the > telnetd end?) What sort of system are you telnetting to? Several people have had trouble with linux systems and there was a long, almost argumentative thread on it here about 18 months ago. I and a few others got sick of spending hours testing the "proper" solutions (some involving changes to the remote system) and quietly solved it as follows. If you run screen, then you'll have a VT100 that'll talk to almost anything without becoming annoyed. Install screen from the packages if it's not there already, then simply type 'screen' and hit enter, then telnet or whatever as usual. You can almost pretend that screen isn't there. Ctrl-a is special for screen so you'll have to use Ctrl-a-a until you're desperate enough to read screen's man page :-) > Also, there seems to be a problem when using Pine 3.96. I have > disable-keymenus _enabled_ to display more lines on the screen, but this > appears to cause display problems. For example, if I compose a message > and then press ^C to cancel, the display moves one line up and an extra > line is added at the bottom. I don't know whether or not this is a > problem with Pine or the console driver, since (a) it's fine in an xterm > and (b) it's fine with disable-keymenus _disabled_. Does anyone know what > the problem could be? Yep, I was having trouble with my ISP's pine until I used screen. Fixed. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 4 19:35:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02142 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wccserver.wilkes.cc.nc.us (wccserver.wilkes.cc.nc.us [204.84.96.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02103 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:34:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asura@xs3.dyn.ml.org) Received: from xs3.dyn.ml.org by wccserver.wilkes.cc.nc.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA04810; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:30:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199805050230.WAA04810@wccserver.wilkes.cc.nc.us> Received: from aster [206.74.44.93] by xs3.dyn.ml.org [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP1.R) for ; Mon, 04 May 98 22:33:58 -0400 X-Sender: asura@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:33:56 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: asura Subject: X and terminal emulators Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a question that I am unable answer- maybe I just haven't read the right source of information on this, but anyway- How do I get an X client for a win95 >eek< machine to connect and start an X session? Is there a quick method for setting this up? The configuration of the X server and the method of connecting...I've gotten quite confused with the available X systems for win95... I would like someone with a setup as I'm describing to offer any suggestions on software to use, setting up, etc. I know this sounds lazy of me, but I cannot figure this seemingly simple thing out!!! Any help would be appreciated Brian :| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 4 20:01:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06897 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:01:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06881 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pauper_i@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980505025709.10076.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [200.23.241.94] by send1d; Mon, 04 May 1998 19:57:09 PDT Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:57:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Pauper Subject: Domain extension *.udg To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, The *.udg (as opposed to .com, .org) extension refers to the University of Guadalajara (Universidad De Guadalajara) which is located here in the state of Jalisco, Mexico. Don't ask me how they did it - maybe its a class A domain, but don't quote me on it ! Dave Pauper on irc.dal.net _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 5 01:14:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20296 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:14:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apies.frd.ac.za (apies.frd.ac.za [137.214.80.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA20229 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpip@apies.frd.ac.za) Received: from mpip by apies.frd.ac.za with local (Exim 1.73 #3) id 0yWbyW-0002KE-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:17:16 +0200 Subject: Re: X and terminal emulators In-Reply-To: <199805050230.WAA04810@wccserver.wilkes.cc.nc.us> from asura at "May 4, 98 10:33:56 pm" To: asura@xs3.dyn.ml.org (asura) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:17:15 +0200 (GMT+0200) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Manoli Piperakis Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ) ) How do I get an X client for a win95 >eek< machine to connect ) and start an X session? Is there a quick method for setting this Try X-Win32, by Starnet (www.starnet.com) I think the evaluation version logs you out after 2 hours but it's well worth getting the registered version. Works like a charm, inlcuding all fonts and usual X tricks. I recommend it, especially if you are one of those forced to work from a Windoze box...but has a *nix one nearby :-) Manoli To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 6 21:12:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03466 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xs3.dyn.ml.org (dial-46.r6.ncwtmc.infoave.net [206.74.44.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA03435 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asura@xs3.dyn.ml.org) Received: from aster [206.74.44.116] by xs3.dyn.ml.org [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP1.R) for ; Thu, 07 May 98 00:11:57 -0400 Message-Id: X-Sender: asura@xs3.dyn.ml.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 00:00:18 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: asura Subject: Telnet / display speed question. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All, I have a question regarding the display of text in a telnet session... My machine runs FreeBSD 2.2.6 and is connected to the net via another machine using route/proxy software. This is done on a dedicated 56k link. Does anyone know why the scrolling / display of text is so slow when I telnet to the machine from any other machine on the net? When I telnet to it from a machine on our lan, the display seems fairly quick, but through the net, it's too slow! Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 6 21:12:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03475 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xs3.dyn.ml.org (dial-46.r6.ncwtmc.infoave.net [206.74.44.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA03434 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asura@xs3.dyn.ml.org) Received: from aster [206.74.44.116] by xs3.dyn.ml.org [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP1.R) for ; Thu, 07 May 98 00:11:57 -0400 Message-Id: X-Sender: asura@xs3.dyn.ml.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:55:23 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: asura Subject: Telnet / display speed question. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All, I have a question regarding the display of text in a telnet session... My machine runs FreeBSD 2.2.6 and is connected to the net via another machine using route/proxy software. This is done on a dedicated 56k link. Does anyone know why the scrolling / display of text is so slow when I telnet to the machine from any other machine on the net? When I telnet to it from a machine on our lan, the display seems fairly quick, but through the net, it's too slow! Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 6 22:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17831 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:37:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from led.zeppelin.net (root@led.zeppelin.net [208.15.36.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17784 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:37:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from connor@led.zeppelin.net) Received: from os2 (connor@[10.0.0.2]) by led.zeppelin.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA01034; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:36:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from connor@led.zeppelin.net) Message-Id: <199805070536.AAA01034@led.zeppelin.net> From: "Adam Brown" To: "asura" Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Thu, 07 May 98 00:37:18 -0600 Reply-To: "Adam Brown" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Telnet / display speed question. Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The reason the telnet display is lagged is usually caused by a slow link. That's why it looks find on the lan, fast speedy access. Over the Internet things get bogged down a little. It's basically a bandwidth/lag issue. On Thu, 07 May 1998 00:00:18 -0400, asura wrote: > >Hello All, > >I have a question regarding the display of text in a telnet session... >My machine runs FreeBSD 2.2.6 and is connected to the net via >another machine using route/proxy software. This is done on >a dedicated 56k link. Does anyone know why the scrolling / display >of text is so slow when I telnet to the machine from any other >machine on the net? When I telnet to it from a machine on our >lan, the display seems fairly quick, but through the net, it's too slow! > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! > >Thanks, > >Brian > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -- Adam Brown -- connor@led.zeppelin.net Zeppelin Internet Services -- where our motto is RTFM http://www.zeppelin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 6 23:13:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21972 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:13:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21910 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id CAA21051; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:12:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Adam Brown cc: asura , "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Telnet / display speed question. In-Reply-To: <199805070536.AAA01034@led.zeppelin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 7 May 1998, Adam Brown wrote: > >Hello All, > > > >I have a question regarding the display of text in a telnet session... > >My machine runs FreeBSD 2.2.6 and is connected to the net via > >another machine using route/proxy software. This is done on > >a dedicated 56k link. Does anyone know why the scrolling / display > >of text is so slow when I telnet to the machine from any other > >machine on the net? When I telnet to it from a machine on our > >lan, the display seems fairly quick, but through the net, it's too slow! While link speed usually does equate to alot of things running faster telnet shouldnt be THAT much slower, unless you have very poor connectivity to where your telneting to. On your FreeBSD box try the following to get better interactive response from your telnet sessions: ifconfig mtu 296 This gives you an MTU of 296. 256 bytes of data per packet plus a 20 byte IP header plus a 20 byte TCP header. Default MTU on your ethernet is 1500. This WILL help your interactive apps like telnet, but is NOT what you want for web browsing etc.. So when your just doing telnet sessions change the MTU to 296 and the rest of the time change it back to 1500. Try that and see if it helps. Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 8 19:30:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09188 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 19:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09176 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 19:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13949 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:30:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:30:10 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199805090230.MAA13949@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 24 April 1998) This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies. We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook317.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 8 22:39:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27440 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27426 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:39:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from mustang (pm3g-21.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.70]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA18039 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:38:24 -0700 (PDT) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:36:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Joey Garcia X-Sender: bear@mustang To: freebsd-newbies Subject: Neat Site for Unix Commands and Stuff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay here's a site that has a bunch of stuff for Unix. Actually, it's Linux-centric, but it seems that alot of the stuff can carry over to FreeBSD, such as general Unix commands and stuff like that. It also has some other neat things that you'd might like to play with. *grin* Be careful. :) Okay here it is: http://www.cheesi.net/vinux Have fun. Joey Bear Garcia =================================================== Joseph Garcia Downey, CA bear@pacificnet.net "Dont drink and drive, you might spill the beer." =================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 9 01:23:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA12248 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA12225 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:23:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA15363; Sat, 9 May 1998 18:22:31 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980509182227.59317@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 18:22:27 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Joey Garcia Cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: Neat Site for Unix Commands and Stuff References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Joey Garcia on Fri, May 08, 1998 at 10:36:11PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 08, 1998 at 10:36:11PM -0700, Joey Garcia wrote: > > Okay here's a site that has a bunch of stuff for Unix. Actually, it's > Linux-centric, but it seems that alot of the stuff can carry over to > FreeBSD, such as general Unix commands and stuff like that. It also has > some other neat things that you'd might like to play with. *grin* Be > careful. :) > > Okay here it is: > > http://www.cheesi.net/vinux Grrrr.... Yeah, great :-( v i n u x . f l i p m o d e . o r g [INLINE] welcome to the d i d j i t a l g a r d e n (vinux [ i e 4.0+(dhtml) | n e t s c a p e(-i e4) | l y n x (unix/linux) ] If they can't put a web page together without such a huge stuffup, I can't imagine what they could possibly have to teach me about unix. Actually, I can, and I don't want to know it let alone spread it. In an attempt to be fair, I fired up a GUI and tried to look at it. After waiting ages to download huge graphics, it looks like there are three words on the screen that are links. The words are not big enough to read, even with my eyeball right up against the screen, and when they show on the status line they don't look like they are correct links to anything much at all. Thanks, but I am not prepared to let wankers get in the way of my learning. Keep looking though, there will be lots more good responsible pages of helpful unix info out there. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 9 10:44:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03944 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:44:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay01.indigo.ie (relay01.indigo.ie [194.125.133.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03917 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:44:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from emmetor@indigo.ie) Received: (qmail 26996 messnum 238097 invoked from network[194.125.146.144/ts01-17.cork.indigo.ie]); 9 May 1998 17:44:13 -0000 Received: from ts01-17.cork.indigo.ie (HELO indigo.ie) (194.125.146.144) by relay01.indigo.ie (qp 26996) with SMTP; 9 May 1998 17:44:13 -0000 Message-ID: <35549646.52DFA231@indigo.ie> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 18:45:43 +0100 From: dayak Reply-To: emmetor@indigo.ie Organization: sfdgsdf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: Neat Site for Unix Commands and Stuff References: <19980509182227.59317@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeez, Sue!! Yer a bit harsh there, aren't ya? The page looks great from here, and the images dont take too long. I found some really good stuff here, where I haven't found anywhere else without reading through some complex stuff. I think this is a good resource, anyway. Thanks for posting it. Best Regards,dayak > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 9 16:57:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17989 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 16:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17981 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 16:56:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from ale (pm3h-41.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.138]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA12976; Sat, 9 May 1998 16:56:06 -0700 (PDT) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980509165342.00698e24@pacificnet.net> X-Sender: bear@pacificnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 16:53:42 -0700 To: emmetor@indigo.ie, freebsd-newbies From: Joey Garcia Subject: Re: Neat Site for Unix Commands and Stuff In-Reply-To: <35549646.52DFA231@indigo.ie> References: <19980509182227.59317@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dayak, I'm the one that posted the website...glad you found it useful...at least my efforts in posting didn't go to waste. :) Don't worry about Sue, because she's a bit right in her critism with the font size. I also think it's a bit small, but the info is at least pretty good. Joey Bear Garcia At 06:45 PM 5/9/98 +0100, dayak wrote: >Jeez, Sue!! > >Yer a bit harsh there, aren't ya? The page looks great from here, and the >images dont take too long. >I found some really good stuff here, where I haven't found anywhere else >without reading through some >complex stuff. I think this is a good resource, anyway. >Thanks for posting it. > >Best Regards,dayak > > >> Regards, >> -*Sue*- >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message