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Hehehe, Sue!

With Netscape under a GUI, there is a little fonction for people like you :-)

I think its "Ctrl ]" and "Ctrl ["

Anyway, its in the "View" option: Increase Font ~ Decrease Font

And there is a Lynx version of the page if you have not finded it
http://www.cheesi.net/vinux/side.html

Cya

Sue Blake wrote:

> On Fri, May 08, 1998 at 10:36:11PM -0700, Joey Garcia wrote:
> >
> > Okay here's a site that has a bunch of stuff for Unix.  Actually, it's
> > Linux-centric, but it seems that alot of the stuff can carry over to
> > FreeBSD, such as general Unix commands and stuff like that.  It also has
> > some other neat things that you'd might like to play with.  *grin*  Be
> > careful. :)
> >
> > Okay here it is:
> >
> > http://www.cheesi.net/vinux
>
> Grrrr.... Yeah, great :-(
>
> <screenshot>
>                                        v i n u x . f l i p m o d e . o r g
>
>                                   [INLINE]
>             welcome to the d i d j i t a l   g a r d e n (vinux
>
>     [     i   e   4.0+(dhtml)       |      n e t s c a p e(-i e4)     |
>                           l y n x (unix/linux)     ]
>
> </screenshot>
>
> If they can't put a web page together without such a huge stuffup,
> I can't imagine what they could possibly have to teach me about unix.
> Actually, I can, and I don't want to know it let alone spread it.
>
> In an attempt to be fair, I fired up a GUI and tried to look at it.
> After waiting ages to download huge graphics, it looks like there are
> three words on the screen that are links. The words are not big enough to
> read, even with my eyeball right up against the screen, and when they
> show on the status line they don't look like they are correct links to
> anything much at all.
>
> Thanks, but I am not prepared to let wankers get in the way of my learning.
>
> Keep looking though, there will be lots more good responsible pages of
> helpful unix info out there.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>         -*Sue*-
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On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 08:16:10PM -0400, Gregory Wilson wrote:
> hi can some one tell me where i can get some help... i setup up the
> program in my computer and it ask me to log and and a pass word i try to
> give it a pass word but it won't do nothing i really don't understand
> how do i get pass that point .....so i can run the system
> thank you
> Gregory
> ps. i using FreeBSD 2.2.6


There is a tutorial on the FreeBSD web site that is perfect for you:

http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/newuser/newuser.html

Then have a good look around the web site for other documentation,
particularly the Handbook, FAQ, and links to basic unix tutorials and
manuals that are on other web sites.

Soon there will be another web page especially for "newbies" with
information about resources that are good for beginners. At the moment
the information is scattered around a bit, but you'll find lots of
interesting stuff if you look around the web site.

When you want help to find manuals and tutorials that you need to study,
write to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org and ask us to suggest what we've
found useful. Many of us have a book called The Complete FreeBSD which
keeps us out of trouble. http://www.cdrom.com/titles/os/bsdbook2.htm

When you have already read the relevant documentation and something still
doesn't work, the people at freebsd-questions@freebsd.org can help you.

Have fun!

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Hi Sue, what appen to newbies@freebsd.org?

Cya
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On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 10:27:43PM -0400, Malartre wrote:
> Hi Sue, what appen to newbies@freebsd.org?

We've been sitting around in freebsd-advocacy waiting for you to come
back here :-)

How's your project going?


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Sue Blake wrote:

> On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 10:27:43PM -0400, Malartre wrote:
> > Hi Sue, what appen to newbies@freebsd.org?
>
> We've been sitting around in freebsd-advocacy waiting for you to come
> back here :-)
>
> How's your project going?

Dont know, maybe I will write it in french first ;-)
Sue, what do you think about that:

Tell Win95 user: First, work with Dos and fdisk some hours, start to
understand what's a
command and what's a world without mouse, then, buy a big book on
FreeBSD, read it
and install FreeBSD.

That's the way I see it, because it taked me some times to understand the
first time why it was a black screen with a #.
Finaly, I finded after a reinstall than

# = <C:\>

:-)

Maybe I was really to much newbie!

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Not quite, but we are getting ourselves organised :-)
http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html

It is meant to be a starting point, a short list of only those resources
most relevant to beginners with little background, to help them to take
control of their own learning right from the start.

This page will be updated frequently and feedback is always welcome.
Obvious omissions are installation, ppp (update is on its way) and X
(still hunting for very easy material - does it exist??). Please send
comments to the newbies mailing list, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org.

Thanks to all the newbies who have already evaluated the content, and
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                         FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit
                          (Last updated 15 May 1998)
                                       
   This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list.
   It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ 
   
   FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies. We cover any of the
   activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere.
   Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding
   and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help
   elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general
   chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but
   not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD
   community. We take our problems and support questions to
   freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are
   doing the same things that we do as newbies.
   
   One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find
   help when we need it. Here are some suggestions:
   
When something doesn't work the way you expect

    1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at
       http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and
       security advisories.
    2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at
       http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html
    3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of
       `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question
       to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG.
       
Mailing lists

   When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only
   one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG.
   
   You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a
   question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you
   personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and
   followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them
   different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to
   freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the
   recent questions and their answers.
   
   Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at
   http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer
   FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when
   they get questions which are difficult to understand.
   http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too.
   
   If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and
   ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to
   the support mailing list.
   
   Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing
   list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might
   get the answer right away. It's always worth trying.
   
   Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook317.html)
   cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll
   need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's
   probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for
   advice about where to post a more specialised question.
   
Manuals

   You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use
   the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always
   as easy as it sounds!
   
   If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a
   brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need,
   always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you
   do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction.
   
   Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is
   encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at
   http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html
   
Other resources

   A resource list is available to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD
   users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line
   documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies
   have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good
   material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us
   about it.
   
But I have seen people asking questions here!

   It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a
   mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from
   time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't
   belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose
   job it is to sort these problems out privately.
   
   The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It
   is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies
   so we all make mistakes. That's OK.
   
   One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions,
   believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies,
   not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the
   situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to
   redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently.
   There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either.
   
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Sue,

I've seen a couple good books on the shelves for newbies.  "Student Guide
to Unix" from Harley Hahn was pretty interesting.  It had commands for both
users and for root.  I have one of those "Dummies" guides books, but it's
just a command reference book which really helps when you're stuck and are
too lazy to read a man page.  It tells you stuff about commands (listed in
alphabetical order) and what command line options you can use.

For the really technical stuff (basically for the programmer) there's that
"Design and Implementation for BSD 4.4", but that's already been mentioned.
 Books on C programming and Perl programming are pretty good reading.
There was this book I found in the library that was about C programming but
explicitly for Unix systems.  It was really neat, but I forgot the name of
it.  I'll have to check it out and post it later.

Anyways, maybe you could add that Harley Hahn book to your list of books on
the web page.  I think it did talk about BSD systems a bit. If I see any
more books around, I'll let ya know. :)

Joey Garcia



At 04:39 AM 5/16/98 +1000, Sue Blake wrote:
>
>Not quite, but we are getting ourselves organised :-)
>http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html
>
>It is meant to be a starting point, a short list of only those resources
>most relevant to beginners with little background, to help them to take
>control of their own learning right from the start.
>
>This page will be updated frequently and feedback is always welcome.
>Obvious omissions are installation, ppp (update is on its way) and X
>(still hunting for very easy material - does it exist??). Please send
>comments to the newbies mailing list, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org.
>
>Thanks to all the newbies who have already evaluated the content, and
>the non-newbies who have helped us figure out how to share it.
>
>-- 
>
>Regards,
>        -*Sue*-
>
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Joey Garcia wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> There was this book I found in the library that was about C programming but
> explicitly for Unix systems.  It was really neat, but I forgot the name of
> it.  I'll have to check it out and post it later.

Well, one book that meets those criteria is W. R. Stevens "Advanced
Programming in the Unix Environment."  It is a must-read for C
programmers who are experienced under other OS's and want to come
up to speed in both the Unix style, and Unix system calls. This
one is a ***** book.  Examples are given in both BSD and SysV. Big,
thick, and thorough. The mysteries of fork() explained. How to
write a real daemon. etc. etc. A good advertising blurb would be:
"How to write real Unix programs."

The same author's recent (2nd?) edition of "Unix Network Programming"
is another fine book.  Again, good for the experienced programmer,
but networking newbie. ****

Kernighan and Pike's "The Unix Programming Environment" is good
for those with less programming experience, and who want to get their
feet wet without messing around in other, inferior, OS's with
"helpful" "visual" tools.  It is introductory in nature, dealing
with make, shell commands, some utils like awk, maybe sed, and yacc. ****

But Stevens' A.P.U.E. is a real gem.

Anybody know a good X app programming text?

> >This page will be updated frequently and feedback is always welcome.
> >Obvious omissions are installation, ppp (update is on its way) and X
> >(still hunting for very easy material - does it exist??). Please send
> >comments to the newbies mailing list, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org.
> >
> >Thanks to all the newbies who have already evaluated the content, and
> >the non-newbies who have helped us figure out how to share it.
> >

Dave
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