From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 00:50:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01701 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:50:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01688 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.8/) via SMTP id AAA10752 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:50:10 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:50:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: laptops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org there's been a lot of stuff going about having BSD on a laptop, and even though I don't intend to do it myself, found one article that may just help. Now, again, this is intended for linux, but i expect that it can help. *nixs are roughly the same, so some tips may just help you out. Here's the page, it consists of a few general links, and a whole hell of a lot of specific ones.. http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 08:59:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17275 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:59:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vanessa.eliuk.org (pme82.sunshine.net [209.17.178.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17268 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:59:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by vanessa.eliuk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01042; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:58:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cagey@vanessa.eliuk.org) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:58:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Reply-To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" To: "Peter D. Pawelek" cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Why use XFree86 (was: Top Ten (here's mine...)) In-Reply-To: <19980704214244.B317@axess.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Peter D. Pawelek wrote: => Actually, I spend most of my time at the console. Besides using vim for => programming, I prefer using slrn/mutt/Lynx for most of my Internet => activities. Although I've got nothing against X, sometimes I just want => to cut to the chase and not put up with the bloat that comes with it; I've => got 64MB of RAM and it's depressing to do a 'top' whilst in X and see that => most of my RAM has been gobbled up before even starting up an app like => Netscape (which takes about 5-10 seconds to load on my P133). I have to agree with that. Quite often when cranking up Netscape I think to myself I should be starting up Lynx in an xterm. Most of the time I am only interested in the text of the pages I am going to anyways. That is what I like about the OS as a whole, having that choice. Actually: [ Clip from /usr/local/etc/Lynx.cfg ] #SUFFIX:.ps:application/postscript #SUFFIX:.eps:application/postscript #SUFFIX:.ai:application/postscript #SUFFIX:.rtf:application/x-rtf #SUFFIX:.snd:audio/basic #SUFFIX:.gif:image/gif #SUFFIX:.rgb:image/x-rgb #SUFFIX:.pict:image/x-pict #SUFFIX:.xbm:image/x-xbitmap #SUFFIX:.tiff:image/x-tiff #SUFFIX:.jpg:image/jpeg #SUFFIX:.jpeg:image/jpeg #SUFFIX:.mpg:video/mpeg #SUFFIX:.mpeg:video/mpeg #SUFFIX:.mov:video/quicktime #SUFFIX:.hqx:application/octet-stream #SUFFIX:.bin:application/octet-stream #SUFFIX:.exe:application/octet-stream #SUFFIX:.tar:application/octet-stream #SUFFIX:.Z:application/octet-stream I will have to uncomment some of these and see what other configs are available in Lynx that can let me toggle images only if I find that they are pertinent to the content of the text. Might be able to lower my use of Netscape a lot, and boy would you have a great deal more control over images with something like Image Magic or xv. => Having multiple xterms and a big virtual desktop is the nice => thing about X. But, when I use it I prefer to use a minimal window => manager like wm2 (check it out...a tiny little C++ program that => occupies very little system real estate). In the end, however, I con- => sider X to be an enormously unnecessary for my purposes. => => Of course, I would not be so presumptuous as to dissuade a newbie from => using X, nor would I encourage him/her. Everyone has different needs => and interests. The best thing about FreeBSD (and Linux) is that it => is able to accomodate just about every taste and preference imagin- => able. And the best thing for a newbie is to explore and try out as => much as possible to see what floats his/her boat. Or `point unit', I will never again will I try to install X on a 386 with 5Mb of ram and no co-processor :) => Peter Pawelek (ppawel@axess.com) Regards, Discover Rock Solid Kevin G. Eliuk Discover FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.Org --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==----==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 13:49:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02192 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:49:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02161 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:49:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA09371; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359FD02B.4E0BDB3A@milkyway.org> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 15:12:43 -0400 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: do I need a POP server for this? References: <199807050523.RAA27852@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Dan Langille wrote: > . . . I'd like to set my freebsd box up so that I can read the mail which fbsd generates > (the logs etc). . . . But which one would you recommend given what I wish to do? If you want to read FreeBSD mail from your NT box(es), you could just telnet to the FreeBSD box and use a mail reader. To use a reader on an NT box you would need to install a "post office". I use qpopper. I believe the Makefile is included with FreeBSD, but not the source code. If your FreeBSD box is connected to the internet the make process will retrieve what it needs from Qualcomm's server. I have "cd to /ports/mail/popper" then "cp -rp * /usr/popper and run make there" in my notes. I seem to remember just running make while in the /ports/mail/popper directory tries to install qpopper on the CD, which fails obviously. The README file explains how to modify your system to get the pop3 server running. Tell us how it goes. Toby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 13:50:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02325 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:50:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02193 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:49:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA09326 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359FC78C.501B7F4E@milkyway.org> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 14:35:56 -0400 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recent Events in FreeBSD-newbies mailing list References: <199807050416.VAA18224@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 4 Jul 1998 Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > Therefore, Ian O'Friel has been banned . . . > Tim Gerchmez, . . . has been suspended . . . The bad boys have been spanked. If you can't play nice, don't play at all. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 14:08:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07722 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07699 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA24029; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 06:21:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 06:21:42 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Midnight Commander Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We're seeing a few common favourites among the top tens. It might be helpful to hear a bit about how people are using them. Midnight Commander is something that has as many uses as there are people using it. It's great for poking around directories, copying and moving files, and you've still got a command prompt there all the time. I use it a lot for reading documents. Formatted documents like man pages come up really nicely when you hit F3 on them. That's handy when snooping inside a gzipped file like a FreeBSD package. Recently I discovered how easy it makes FTP. I like the normal FTP most of the time because it's quick and simple, but with Midnight Commander you can browse and tag files on the remote system and then shoot them across to the chosen local directory with a single keystroke. There's a nasty trick in the new version: previously the command to start it was 'mc' but they changed that to 'midc' recently. And no, you've never needed linux emulation to run it. Just install from the package, type 'midc' and go for it! When you want to get out press F10 (or Esc 0 if your function keys don't work). And if you start exploring and get into something you regret, pressing Esc twice quickly usually backs you out, and of course F1 is Help. BTW, has anyone noticed that it's always easy to find out how to start something but you have to dig around for ages to work out how to exit? Few doccos remember to tell us that right up front where we need it. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 14:23:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10237 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyclops.xtra.co.nz (cyclops.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10219 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:23:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by cyclops.xtra.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16825; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:22:30 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199807052122.JAA16825@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Toby Swanson Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:23:27 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: do I need a POP server for this? Reply-to: junkmale@xtra.co.nz In-reply-to: <359FD02B.4E0BDB3A@milkyway.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Jul 98, at 15:12, Toby Swanson wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Dan Langille wrote: > > > . . . I'd like to set my freebsd box up so that I can read the mail > > which fbsd generates (the logs etc). . . . But which one would you > > recommend given what I wish to do? > > If you want to read FreeBSD mail from your NT box(es), you > could just telnet to the FreeBSD box and use a mail reader. I'd prefer *not* to telnet. The mail reader I'm using on NT is Pegagus, which will work with a pop server. From your comments and the notes on qpopper, it sounds like that's what qpopper is, a pop server. If I install qpopper, will the log messages [which freebsd generates] arrive at that pop server? I'm assuming that I'll be able to read from that POP server from my NT box. Will I need to telnet with the solution you are suggesting? -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.dvl-software.com : for race timing solutions To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 16:46:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18944 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:46:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyclops.xtra.co.nz (cyclops.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18921 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:46:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by cyclops.xtra.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21696; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:45:34 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199807052345.LAA21696@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Toby Swanson Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:45:31 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: do I need a POP server for this? Reply-to: junkmale@xtra.co.nz In-reply-to: <359FD02B.4E0BDB3A@milkyway.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Jul 98, at 15:12, Toby Swanson wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Dan Langille wrote: > > > . . . I'd like to set my freebsd box up so that I can read the mail > > which fbsd generates (the logs etc). . . . But which one would you > > recommend given what I wish to do? > > If you want to read FreeBSD mail from your NT box(es), you > could just telnet to the FreeBSD box and use a mail reader. To use > a reader on an NT box you would need to install a "post office". > I use qpopper. I've run the install, modified inetd.conf, and restarted inetd. When I try to telnet to localhost 110, I get: cannot execute /usr/etc/popper: No such file or directory. There is no /usr/etc directory. What's gone wrong with the install? Unfortunately, the README contains a disclaimer: "It assumes that you are not only familiar with Unix but also capable fo preforming Unix system administration". LOL! Clearly, I am not. -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.dvl-software.com : for race timing solutions To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 16:53:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19884 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:53:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.axess.com (root@mail.axess.com [204.19.206.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19877 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ppawel@axess.com) Received: from my.domain (ppp-32.axess.com [204.19.207.32]) by mail.axess.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id UAA04534; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:00:58 -0400 Received: (from ppawel@localhost) by my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02510; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:35:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ppawel) Message-ID: <19980705193555.A2497@axess.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:35:55 -0400 From: "Peter D. Pawelek" To: Sue Blake , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Midnight Commander References: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 06:21:42AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Sue Blake (sue@welearn.com.au): > We're seeing a few common favourites among the top tens. > It might be helpful to hear a bit about how people are using them. > > Midnight Commander is something that has as many uses as there are > people using it. It's great for poking around directories, copying and > moving files, and you've still got a command prompt there all the time. > I just wonder whether MC is good for a newbie. If our prototypical newbie was using FreeBSD to better understand UNIX and how to navigate around UNIX filesystems, MC might be a crutch that would cause more harm in the longrun (nothing like having to get down and dirty with ls, rm, mv, etc.). But, as I've mentioned in a previous post, each and every newbie comes to FreeBSD with different needs and goals. In the case of my girlfriend, she wants to learn UNIX properly and I've installed FreeBSD2.2.6 on her system to help her with this. She's now getting such a good fundamental understanding of the basic UNIX commands that I wouldn't want to let her *near* MC at this stage (and she wouldn't have it any other way :) ). Of course, nethack is a different story. ;) Peter Pawelek (ppawel@axess.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 17:04:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21499 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21484 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24506; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:04:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980706100424.64956@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:04:25 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "Peter D. Pawelek" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Nethack References: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au> <19980705193555.A2497@axess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980705193555.A2497@axess.com>; from Peter D. Pawelek on Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 07:35:55PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 07:35:55PM -0400, Peter D. Pawelek wrote: > > Of course, nethack is a different story. ;) Then you'd better tell it :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 17:35:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26272 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:35:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.apk.net (stuart@junior.apk.net [207.54.158.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26247 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@junior.apk.net) Received: from localhost (stuart@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA09673; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:31:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Stuart Krivis To: Toby Swanson cc: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recent Events in FreeBSD-newbies mailing list In-Reply-To: <359FC78C.501B7F4E@milkyway.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Toby Swanson wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jul 1998 Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > Therefore, Ian O'Friel has been banned . . . > > > Tim Gerchmez, . . . has been suspended . . . > > The bad boys have been spanked. If you can't play nice, > don't play at all. I'm glad to see that they're toast. :-) -- Stuart Krivis stuart@krivis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 18:03:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00388 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.auracom.net (root@mail1.auracom.net [165.154.140.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00352 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:02:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arthur@col.auracom.com) Received: from outpost.col.auracom.com (ts1-17.tru.auracom.com [165.154.114.49]) by mail1.auracom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23955; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:03:19 -0300 (ADT) From: arthur To: Sue Blake Subject: RE: Midnight Commander Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Jul-98 Sue Blake wrote: > We're seeing a few common favourites among the top tens. > It might be helpful to hear a bit about how people are using them. > I like midnight commander cause it was there for me when I tried my first unix varient and it was a nice find when I came to FreeBSD. When I first installed FreeBSD all I had was the basic setup, and of course that means no X, so having midnight commander was pretty convenient. > Midnight Commander is something that has as many uses as there are > people using it. It's great for poking around directories, copying and > moving files, and you've still got a command prompt there all the time. > I also liked the command line option, I found that you could also run other programs from within mc, nice when you're in a rush. > I use it a lot for reading documents. Formatted documents like man > pages come up really nicely when you hit F3 on them. That's handy > when snooping inside a gzipped file like a FreeBSD package. > When I first guified my desktop with X I found filerunner, and used that for awhile. I noticed that when I went back to mc in an xterm it was actually quicker and alot better for viewing things like the handbook and FAQ, since then I've added mc back to my desktop and use filerunner only when I'm in a lazy mood. > Recently I discovered how easy it makes FTP. I like the normal FTP most > of the time because it's quick and simple, but with Midnight Commander > you can browse and tag files on the remote system and then shoot them > across to the chosen local directory with a single keystroke. > FTP, yes another nice little feature, I guess you can say midnight commander is quite the little powerhouse. > There's a nasty trick in the new version: previously the command to > start it was 'mc' but they changed that to 'midc' recently. > > And no, you've never needed linux emulation to run it. Just install > from > the package, type 'midc' and go for it! When you want to get out press > F10 (or Esc 0 if your function keys don't work). And if you start > exploring and get into something you regret, pressing Esc twice quickly > usually backs you out, and of course F1 is Help. > I've got an old vt220 (dumb terminal) that I use from time to time, mc works great in that situation, also that's where I first ran into not having the fkeys and had to get into the habit of the esc + num combination. > BTW, has anyone noticed that it's always easy to find out how to start > something but you have to dig around for ages to work out how to exit? > Few doccos remember to tell us that right up front where we need it. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - arthur@col.auracom.com In a world without fences, is there a need for gates --end-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 18:23:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02970 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:23:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.axess.com (root@mail.axess.com [204.19.206.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02959 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ppawel@axess.com) Received: from my.domain (ppp-4.axess.com [204.19.207.4]) by mail.axess.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id VAA06575; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:30:58 -0400 Received: (from ppawel@localhost) by my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02623; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:09:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ppawel) Message-ID: <19980705210908.A2609@axess.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:09:08 -0400 From: "Peter D. Pawelek" To: Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nethack References: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au> <19980705193555.A2497@axess.com> <19980706100424.64956@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980706100424.64956@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 10:04:25AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Sue Blake (sue@welearn.com.au): > On Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 07:35:55PM -0400, Peter D. Pawelek wrote: > > > > Of course, nethack is a different story. ;) > > Then you'd better tell it :-) > Well, let's just say that after spending a few hours each night learning how to use various shells, set environment variables, set file permissions, etc (not to mention all the X-windows esoterica) she likes to unwind by cruising around an ASCII rendered dungeon skewering orcs and kobolds... at this rate she'll be a UNIX wizard in no time... :)) Peter Pawelek (ppawel@axess.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 18:23:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02991 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:23:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.axess.com (root@mail.axess.com [204.19.206.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02964 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:23:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ppawel@axess.com) Received: from my.domain (ppp-4.axess.com [204.19.207.4]) by mail.axess.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id VAA06578; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:31:02 -0400 Received: (from ppawel@localhost) by my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02649; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:16:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ppawel) Message-ID: <19980705211622.B2609@axess.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:16:22 -0400 From: "Peter D. Pawelek" To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why use XFree86 (was: Top Ten (here's mine...)) References: <19980704214244.B317@axess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Kevin G. Eliuk on Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 08:58:25AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Kevin G. Eliuk (kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net): > > #SUFFIX:.ps:application/postscript > #SUFFIX:.eps:application/postscript > #SUFFIX:.ai:application/postscript > #SUFFIX:.rtf:application/x-rtf > #SUFFIX:.snd:audio/basic > #SUFFIX:.gif:image/gif > #SUFFIX:.rgb:image/x-rgb > #SUFFIX:.pict:image/x-pict > #SUFFIX:.xbm:image/x-xbitmap > #SUFFIX:.tiff:image/x-tiff > #SUFFIX:.jpg:image/jpeg > #SUFFIX:.jpeg:image/jpeg > #SUFFIX:.mpg:video/mpeg > #SUFFIX:.mpeg:video/mpeg > #SUFFIX:.mov:video/quicktime > #SUFFIX:.hqx:application/octet-stream > #SUFFIX:.bin:application/octet-stream > #SUFFIX:.exe:application/octet-stream > #SUFFIX:.tar:application/octet-stream > #SUFFIX:.Z:application/octet-stream > > I will have to uncomment some of these and see what other configs are > available in Lynx that can let me toggle images only if I find that they > are pertinent to the content of the text. Might be able to lower my use > of Netscape a lot, and boy would you have a great deal more control over > images with something like Image Magic or xv. > > Hmm..I've never actually looked into using xv to actually view images on a lynx-rendered web page. Let us know what happens after playing around with lynx.cfg for a while! :) Peter Pawelek (ppawel@axess.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 18:55:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09024 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09019 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:55:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24842; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:54:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980706115419.02576@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:54:19 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Toby Swanson Subject: Email [was: do I need a POP server for this?] References: <359FD02B.4E0BDB3A@milkyway.org> <199807052345.LAA21696@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199807052345.LAA21696@cyclops.xtra.co.nz>; from Dan Langille on Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 11:45:31AM +1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 11:45:31AM +1300, Dan Langille wrote: > On 5 Jul 98, at 15:12, Toby Swanson wrote: > [reformatting to 74 characters] > There is no /usr/etc directory. What's gone wrong with the install? > Unfortunately, the README contains a disclaimer: "It assumes that you > are not only familiar with Unix but also capable fo preforming Unix > system administration". LOL! Clearly, I am not. Nor is any newbie, but you're asking newbies?! You really should be seeking help from freebsd-questions. They might ask you for more information, for example any error messages that occurred during the installation, so anticipate and tell them all you can. When someone answers, two things will happen: the answer will be seen and evaluated by hundreds of experts who are quick to correct any misinformation or ambiguity, and the answer will be archived so that the next person in your situation doesn't have to ask again. Nobody's going to look in a -newbies archive for an answer to a question, let alone one about setting up qpopper. It'd be a good idea to fix up your line lengths first, or they might have a little dig at you :-) Many of us can't easily read or reply unless the line length is kept well under 80 characters, and easy to read mail gets read first. But I'm really curious about why this is happening. I used and supported Pegasus Mail for years, and always found it to be pretty standards compliant, cross-platform-friendly and full of features and defaults that made real good sense. I haven't used it for a while now, and suddenly I see Pegasus users coming out with huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge line lengths. Have they changed the default or something? I'd really like to know whether or not to keep recommending it (ahem... to those windoze users who are about to convert to FreeBSD, of course! :-). Can you fill us in on what's changed, and if we're real lucky, how hard it is to fix? Some of us need to know these things to get our email presentable for posting to FreeBSD lists anyway. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 19:08:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11575 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:08:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from photon.soltec.net (photon.soltec.net [206.148.208.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11483 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:08:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlr@soltec.net) Received: from jeff (ppp29.cu.soltec.net [206.148.209.29]) by photon.soltec.net (8.8.8/8.8.9) with SMTP id VAA13020 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:07:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199807052106510990.01387C31@mail.soltec.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.40 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 21:06:51 -0500 From: "Jeff Rogers" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Symbios SCSI card question Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am preparing to install FreeBSD on my Pentium P200. I have an HP Scanjet 4P. The standard SCSI card that came with the scanner is a Symbios Logic 53C416 SCSI Adapter. I don't see it in the supported hardware list. Can anyone tell me any good news about this? Does anyone use this card/scanner combination w/ FreeBSD? Kindest Regards, Jeff Rogers jlr@soltec.net www.soltec.net/~jlr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 19:20:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13010 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:20:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from photon.soltec.net (photon.soltec.net [206.148.208.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12910 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlr@soltec.net) Received: from jeff (ppp29.cu.soltec.net [206.148.209.29]) by photon.soltec.net (8.8.8/8.8.9) with SMTP id VAA13513 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:19:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199807052118260080.014313CB@mail.soltec.net> In-Reply-To: <000001bda881$4d1c74c0$3c0678cc@minerva.athenet.net> References: <000001bda881$4d1c74c0$3c0678cc@minerva.athenet.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.40 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 21:18:26 -0500 From: "Jeff Rogers" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: free DSB Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 7/5/98, at 8:56 PM, Jon Groves wrote: >I do not understand how you can say that "Free DSB" is free, If it cost $40 >to get the CD-ROM from Walnut Creek CD-ROM CO. I would like to get a copy of >the software, is there some one other than Walnut Creek to get it from?? I >prefer the 3.5'' DISKS because I do not have a CD-ROM drive on the computer >I plan to install on, and not FTP because the speed of my connection and >distance from your server to me is to slow and to far for a fast download. Well, I looked around and found an owner who could take the files and burn me a copy on a CDR. it didn't take long; I just had to be persistent, and willing to dig, or pay any costs involved. If you could find a friend with it installed, you could do something like LapLink, although I too am a newbie and may be way off here. Anyhow, hope I might've helped your situation. Kindest Regards, Jeff Rogers jlr@soltec.net www.soltec.net/~jlr Truth: It only conflicts with falsehood. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 19:50:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16793 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16686; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA10139; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A03C75.B0FFFEA0@milkyway.org> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:54:45 -0400 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: do I need a POP server for this? References: <199807052345.LAA21696@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 6 Jul 1998, Dan Langille wrote: > I've run the install, modified inetd.conf, and restarted inetd. When I try to telnet to > localhost 110, I get: > > cannot execute /usr/etc/popper: No such file or directory. > > There is no /usr/etc directory. What's gone wrong with the install? . . . Try changing the pop3 entry in inetd.conf to reflect where the file "popper" actually resides. I put a copy of popper in /usr/local/lib and edited inetd.conf to reflect this. Make sure permissions are -rwxr-xr-x, then restart inetd. We should probably move this conversation to questions since we have gone beyond "where do I find out how to do this". Toby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 19:53:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17177 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17090 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:52:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.8/) via SMTP id TAA00939 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:52:28 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:52:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: free DSB In-Reply-To: <199807052118260080.014313CB@mail.soltec.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Jeff Rogers wrote: > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 7/5/98, at 8:56 PM, Jon Groves wrote: > > >I do not understand how you can say that "Free DSB" is free, If it > cost $40 > >to get the CD-ROM from Walnut Creek CD-ROM CO. I would like to get a > copy of > >the software, is there some one other than Walnut Creek to get it > from?? I > >prefer the 3.5'' DISKS because I do not have a CD-ROM drive on the > computer > >I plan to install on, and not FTP because the speed of my connection > and > >distance from your server to me is to slow and to far for a fast > download. > > Well, I looked around and found an owner who could take the files and > burn me a copy on a CDR. it didn't take long; I just had to be > persistent, and willing to dig, or pay any costs involved. If you > could find a friend with it installed, you could do something like > LapLink, although I too am a newbie and may be way off here. Anyhow, > hope I might've helped your situation. > > Kindest Regards, > Jeff Rogers jlr@soltec.net www.soltec.net/~jlr > Truth: It only conflicts with falsehood. Trust me, laplink is a little to slow a nice size installation. The best I've seen a parrellel port do is 40mg/m, and thats with both machines being fast, or going to a removable device (ie. zip, hd). I had to move over about 1.5gs, slightly more then the freeBSD cds, and it took days. Not to mention, if you try to use Windows95's direct-connect, it wil crash the machine after a while, corrupting the transfered files (for some reason, Windows has a hard time moving, or copying, a large number of small files). If you want FreeBSD, you can get it that way, just don't expect it to be quick, and since the parrellel port bases its flow on the cpu, you wont even be able to play freecell. Even on all scsi, its not to pretty, but a good game can be played. If you can, do the cd trick. What I did was download it from an isdn line, use a cdr, fry up the two cds, and take it home. If you can't get a clean cd, copy a friends (I would have, but it was 2.2.5). Oh, and if you expect to do it via floppies, heh, well, I wont even go there. Like Jeff said, use laplink, just don't expect any miracles... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 20:21:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21872 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:21:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21811; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA10189; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A043B7.90B63800@milkyway.org> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 23:25:44 -0400 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: do I need a POP server for this? References: <199807052122.JAA16825@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 Dan Langille wrote: > If I install qpopper, will the log messages [which > freebsd generates] arrive at that pop server? > If I understand your question to read "Will the file /var/log/messages arrive at that pop server?" the answer is no. If you are asking if the daily run message, weekly run message, etc. be available for retrieval from the pop server the answer is _yes_. What a pop server does is make mail on the server available to a pop client. To retrieve root's mail you will have to; 1) configure your pop client (Pegagus) to use your FreeBSD box as the pop server. 2) log onto your NT box as root and retrieve root's mail, or use a .forward file to forward root's mail to your account on the FreeBSD box and then retrieve the mail as you. If you want to get the /var/log/messages file via email regularly you will have to write a script to send it. > I'm assuming that I'll be able to read from that POP server from my NT box. Will I > need to telnet with the solution you are suggesting? You will be able to get your mail from the FreeBSD box the same wayyou get mail from your ISP. Telnet will not be necessary. We need to move this conversation to questions since we have gone beyond "where do I find out how to do this?" Toby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 22:20:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04476 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyclops.xtra.co.nz (cyclops.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04405 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by cyclops.xtra.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08561; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:18:23 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199807060518.RAA08561@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: Sue Blake Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:18:29 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Email [was: do I need a POP server for this?] Reply-to: junkmale@xtra.co.nz CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19980706115419.02576@welearn.com.au> References: <199807052345.LAA21696@cyclops.xtra.co.nz>; from Dan Langille on Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 11:45:31AM +1300 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 6 Jul 98, at 11:54, Sue Blake wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 11:45:31AM +1300, Dan Langille wrote: > > On 5 Jul 98, at 15:12, Toby Swanson wrote: > > > > [reformatting to 74 characters] > > > There is no /usr/etc directory. What's gone wrong with the install? > > Unfortunately, the README contains a disclaimer: "It assumes that you > > are not only familiar with Unix but also capable fo preforming Unix > > system administration". LOL! Clearly, I am not. > > Nor is any newbie, but you're asking newbies?! You really should be > seeking help from freebsd-questions. They might ask you for more > information, for example any error messages that occurred during the > installation, so anticipate and tell them all you can. When someone > answers, two things will happen: the answer will be seen and evaluated by > hundreds of experts who are quick to correct any misinformation or > ambiguity, and the answer will be archived so that the next person in your > situation doesn't have to ask again. Nobody's going to look in a -newbies > archive for an answer to a question, let alone one about setting up > qpopper. Right you are. This has been fixed. I've started directing these questions to freebsd-questions. As for the original problem, that's been fixed by a suggestion in a previous post. > > It'd be a good idea to fix up your line lengths first, or they might have > a little dig at you :-) Many of us can't easily read or reply unless the > line length is kept well under 80 characters, and easy to read mail gets > read first. It's all because of proportional fonts. Now that I've stopped using them for message composition, all of this has been cleared up. Thanks for your help in this. Much appreciated. > But I'm really curious about why this is happening. I used and supported > Pegasus Mail for years, and always found it to be pretty standards > compliant, cross-platform-friendly and full of features and defaults that > made real good sense. I haven't used it for a while now, and suddenly I > see Pegasus users coming out with huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge line > lengths. Have they changed the default or something? I'd really like to > know whether or not to keep recommending it (ahem... to those windoze > users who are about to convert to FreeBSD, of course! :-). Can you fill us > in on what's changed, and if we're real lucky, how hard it is to fix? Some > of us need to know these things to get our email presentable for posting > to FreeBSD lists anyway. The solution is to set the message editor font by going: Message/Font and selecting something like Courier or Courier New. I *think* the problem appeared in version 3.0 when the message composer was vastly improved. I think this was a side effect. But easily fixed. -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.dvl-software.com : for race timing solutions To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 5 23:59:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15970 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from armstrong-bh.armstrong.com (armstrong-bh.armstrong.com [198.76.107.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA15953 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:59:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Edmund_L_Mulligan@armstrong.com) From: Edmund_L_Mulligan@armstrong.com Received: (from uucp@localhost) by armstrong-bh.armstrong.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id CAA00417 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 02:59:11 -0400 Received: from mailex01.armstrong.com by armstrong-bh.armstrong.com via smap (3.2) id xma000412; Mon, 6 Jul 98 02:59:03 -0400 Received: by mailex01.Armstrong.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256639.002FB674 ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 03:05:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ARMSTRONG To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <85256639.001EC06D.00@mailex01.Armstrong.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:59:37 -0400 Subject: Install seems OK, then freezes. . . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm installing 2.2.6 on a Packard-Bell computer (P100, ST31220A hard drive, 24MB ram, AT-1700T network card, Matsu/Pana CDROM). Following this list and the questions list got me through the PS2 mouse "conflict" and the "can't find kernel" error caused by the disk geometry. However, I'm stuck again. The FTP install seems to go just fine, I can config everything without errors. When I exit the install screens, remove the boot floppy, and the machine reboots, I get the spinning cursor as \ and then | and that's it - the machine freezes at that point with the floppy drive light on. When setting up the disk, I used the eometry option to make the geometry match the setting in the machine's BIOS. I'm not trying to run anything other than 2.2.6 on this machine, so I used the whole disk defaults. With or without the boot manager, I the frozen cursor. Segate's datasheet says C/H/S = 524/64/63 The BIOS is set for 524/64/63 The option is set for 524/64/63 pfdisk shows 524/64/63 FWIW, the BIOS gives the options of "Standard CHS", "Extended CHS", "Logical Block", or "Auto Detected". Elsewhere in Segate's manual, it shows the CHS setting as 2099/16/63 for 2,115,792 sectors. When allowed to autodetect, this is what the BIOS finds for the drive. I have tried a few hours worth of mix and match settings, but I now admit I'm stuck. Any ideas? Thanks! Ed Mulligan elmulligan@armstrong.com ----------------------------------------- Speaking for me, not for Armstrong. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 01:39:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02558 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02527 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by mail.crl.com (8.8.8/) via SMTP id BAA08669 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:39:38 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install seems OK, then freezes. . . In-Reply-To: <85256639.001EC06D.00@mailex01.Armstrong.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hmm, my general rule of thumb is don't use Award's large setting, and unless the drive is less then half a gig, don't use normal. Auto generally uses the lba mode, which is the best of the three. Do the auto-detect in the bios, and choose the one it suggests, thats always lba in my experience. Also don't set it at auto on bootup, just to be safe.. What else? I guess that cdrom is an ATAPI-compatable, so it wont screw it there. Might was well go through your bios, and turn off features. You could also do the bios's saved settings, or the setups (manafacturer's) settings, though the latter often adds more. I'd personally use the bios's, and go through it. turn off 'stop on all erros' (though ment for the bios check). Just disable anything that looks 'featury,' and hell, even take the chipset down to fx, no added features. This is all just in hopes you can get past this, and then trouble shoot and see what might be causing the problem.. good luck! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 03:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA14719 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 03:10:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi [212.63.6.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA14675 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 03:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi) Received: (from lmkjuksi@localhost) by info1.info.tampere.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA26845; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:10:28 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:04:05 +0300 (EEST) From: Jukka Simila To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: free DSB Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you have no cd-rom or fast network, I would say that try to find that friend and grab your harddisk out from your machine and take it to your friend and copy the fbsd straightly from hd to another. i suppose it is possible, my friend suggested it to me when I decided to have fbsd, but afterall he sold me a fbsd2.2.5-rel CD , that he had burned earlier, so i haven't exactly tested it. at least it is faster than any line connection. On 06-Jul-98 Ben Manes wrote: >On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Jeff Rogers wrote: > >> >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 7/5/98, at 8:56 PM, Jon Groves wrote: >> >> >I do not understand how you can say that "Free DSB" is free, If it >> cost $40 >> >to get the CD-ROM from Walnut Creek CD-ROM CO. I would like to get a >> copy of >> >the software, is there some one other than Walnut Creek to get it >> from?? I >> >prefer the 3.5'' DISKS because I do not have a CD-ROM drive on the >> computer >> >I plan to install on, and not FTP because the speed of my connection >> and >> >distance from your server to me is to slow and to far for a fast >> download. >> >> Well, I looked around and found an owner who could take the files and >> burn me a copy on a CDR. it didn't take long; I just had to be >> persistent, and willing to dig, or pay any costs involved. If you >> could find a friend with it installed, you could do something like >> LapLink, although I too am a newbie and may be way off here. Anyhow, >> hope I might've helped your situation. >> >> Kindest Regards, >> Jeff Rogers jlr@soltec.net www.soltec.net/~jlr >> Truth: It only conflicts with falsehood. > > >Trust me, laplink is a little to slow a nice size installation. The best >I've seen a parrellel port do is 40mg/m, and thats with both machines >being fast, or going to a removable device (ie. zip, hd). I had to move >over about 1.5gs, slightly more then the freeBSD cds, and it took days. >Not to mention, if you try to use Windows95's direct-connect, it wil >crash the machine after a while, corrupting the transfered files (for >some reason, Windows has a hard time moving, or copying, a large number >of small files). If you want FreeBSD, you can get it that way, just don't >expect it to be quick, and since the parrellel port bases its flow on the >cpu, you wont even be able to play freecell. Even on all scsi, its not to >pretty, but a good game can be played. If you can, do the cd trick. What >I did was download it from an isdn line, use a cdr, fry up the two cds, >and take it home. If you can't get a clean cd, copy a friends (I would >have, but it was 2.2.5). Oh, and if you expect to do it via floppies, >heh, well, I wont even go there. Like Jeff said, use laplink, just don't >expect any miracles... > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message --- Jukka Simila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 05:02:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28251 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 05:02:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.dod.niss.gov.ua ([194.93.188.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA27992 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 05:02:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vova@relay.dod.niss.gov.ua) Received: from localhost (vova@localhost) by relay.dod.niss.gov.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA06810; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:03:34 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from vova@relay.dod.niss.gov.ua) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:03:34 +0300 (EEST) From: "Vladimir V. Tkatchenko" Reply-To: "Vladimir V. Tkatchenko" To: Doug White cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sio0&sio1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, mr. White and friends-newbies! Thank you mr. White for your help it's working now! Thank you for all, who propose me solutions with my serial ports problem! I hope that in February 1999 I shall be in San-Antonio, Texas. I can take some beer for mr. Doug White and Greg Lehem and Philippe Regunauld and Peter D. Pawelek. Thank you all one more... Vladimir V. Tkatchenko admin@dod.niss.gov.ua 2:463/131.10@Fidonet On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Doug White wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Vladimir V. Tkatchenko wrote: > > > Are anybody tell me or help in such question. Our organization puts a new > > PC Pentium-166MMX (motherboard with TX Chipset which is called > > KM-T5-T1). Problem in this machines bigan when I installing FreeBSD 2.2.5 > > or 2.2.6. During the bootstrap process Free tells that sio0 and sio1 not > > found at its IRQ3 and 4. Thus serial ports not available on this computer > > which must be router! Its bad. But BIOS settings are right and when we > > working with other system such as Linux and Windows95 all serial ports > > working correctly. If you have any suggestions for that problem please > > answer. > > We currently have problems finding the Acer UART; if the Motherboard is > based on it, then the sio ports won't be found. See > http://www.lemis.com/serial-port-patch.html for a fix. > > Doug White | University of Oregon > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 11:21:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24420 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24402; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA27887; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:20:02 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199807061820.LAA27887@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nethack Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980705210908.A2609@axess.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:09:08 -0400 >From: "Peter D. Pawelek" >> > Of course, nethack is a different story. ;) >> Then you'd better tell it :-) >Well, let's just say that after spending a few hours each night learning how to use various shells, >set environment variables, set file permissions, etc (not to mention all the X-windows esoterica) >she likes to unwind by cruising around an ASCII rendered dungeon skewering orcs and kobolds... >at this rate she'll be a UNIX wizard in no time... :)) :-) I can relate -- the promise of letting Lynette (my wife) be able to play NetHack without waiting for the Sun 3/60 so much was one of the justifications for buying the SS5.... Of course, I built it with the X interface enabled.... :-) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 16:31:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11016 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11010 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:31:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA04429; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:08:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980707000842.25413@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:08:42 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Peter D. Pawelek" , Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nethack References: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au> <19980705193555.A2497@axess.com> <19980706100424.64956@welearn.com.au> <19980705210908.A2609@axess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980705210908.A2609@axess.com>; from Peter D. Pawelek on Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 09:09:08PM -0400 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 09:09:08PM -0400, Peter D. Pawelek wrote: > Well, let's just say that after spending a few hours each night > learning how to use various shells, set environment variables, set > file permissions, etc (not to mention all the X-windows esoterica) > she likes to unwind by cruising around an ASCII rendered dungeon > skewering orcs and kobolds... at this rate she'll be a UNIX wizard > in no time... :)) Just as an aside: if you're using the nethack I know and love, you're probably using the the 'h', 'j', 'k', and 'l' keys to move around the dungeon, right? If so, keep in mind that this is an excellent way to learn the cursor movement keys for 'vi' as well. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 16:43:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12283 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:43:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12274 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28428; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:42:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980707094242.15217@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:42:42 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Peter D. Pawelek" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nethack References: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au> <19980705193555.A2497@axess.com> <19980706100424.64956@welearn.com.au> <19980705210908.A2609@axess.com> <19980707000842.25413@nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980707000842.25413@nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 12:08:42AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 12:08:42AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 09:09:08PM -0400, Peter D. Pawelek wrote: > > Well, let's just say that after spending a few hours each night > > learning how to use various shells, set environment variables, set > > file permissions, etc (not to mention all the X-windows esoterica) > > she likes to unwind by cruising around an ASCII rendered dungeon > > skewering orcs and kobolds... at this rate she'll be a UNIX wizard > > in no time... :)) > > Just as an aside: if you're using the nethack I know and love, you're > probably using the the 'h', 'j', 'k', and 'l' keys to move around the > dungeon, right? Clearly I'm not :-( I tried installing it last night and... well... when I cheer up I might tell the tale of woe. I've got nethack-3.2.2.tgz and nethack-qt-3.2.2.tgz here, and this qt business means nothing at all to me. Is one the X version or what?? > If so, keep in mind that this is an excellent way to learn the cursor > movement keys for 'vi' as well. Eh, you're not going to put me off nethack before I've tried it! :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 16:53:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13997 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:53:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13991 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:53:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from suleyman@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (suleyman@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA07155; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:52:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Seggerman To: Sue Blake cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Midnight Commander In-Reply-To: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Midnight Commander sound fun, and usefil. Is it a port or a package? Is it on the CD or would I have do download it from somewhere? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 16:59:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14824 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:59:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14819 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:59:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28536; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:58:49 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980707095845.18037@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:58:45 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Ken Seggerman Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Midnight Commander References: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Ken Seggerman on Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 07:52:52PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 07:52:52PM -0400, Ken Seggerman wrote: > Midnight Commander sound fun, and usefil. > > Is it a port or a package? Both. Also it'll be installed by the upcoming package for newbies, if it's ever finished :-) Hmm, I must get on and learn how to do this package stuff... > Is it on the CD or would I have do download it from somewhere? Yes it's on the CD (any version), but you can download it from the ports section of www.freebsd.org too. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 20:14:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05883 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:14:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.axess.com (root@mail.axess.com [204.19.206.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05858 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:14:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ppawel@axess.com) Received: from my.domain (ppp-71.axess.com [204.19.207.71]) by mail.axess.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id XAA29155; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:22:50 -0400 Received: (from ppawel@localhost) by my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10940; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:56:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ppawel) Message-ID: <19980706225645.A10918@axess.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:56:45 -0400 From: "Peter D. Pawelek" To: Sue Blake , Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nethack References: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au> <19980705193555.A2497@axess.com> <19980706100424.64956@welearn.com.au> <19980705210908.A2609@axess.com> <19980707000842.25413@nothing-going-on.org> <19980707094242.15217@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <19980707094242.15217@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 09:42:42AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Sue Blake (sue@welearn.com.au): > > Clearly I'm not :-( I tried installing it last night and... well... when > I cheer up I might tell the tale of woe. > > I've got nethack-3.2.2.tgz and nethack-qt-3.2.2.tgz here, and this qt > business means nothing at all to me. Is one the X version or what?? > Yes, the qt version is for X and it requires that the qt libraries have already been installed. The qt libraries provide a lot of gui objects and other X graphical elements for programs written to use them; be- sides nethack-qt, KDE was written with the qt libraries. Anyway, I digress. I just installed nethack-qt on my FreeBSD box to see if it would work (on my girlfriends machine it was installed as a package during the initial CDROM install (the non-qt version, that is)) and I didn't have any problems. What I did was to first install the qt port followed by the nethack-qt port; the nethack-qt port pulled down a few other programs, so I wonder if this is where you had your problem (ie. did you try to install it as a package?). The install went flawlessly and I just finished a bit of hacking and slashing to make sure everything was alright. ;) Personally, I'd recommend installing the NON-qt version of nethack in- stead. This is the original console mode version (it will run in an xterm as well) in all of its ASCII glory. The qt version adds a lot of pretty tiled graphics, but it just doesnt *feel* right to me. :) If you want a flawless install as well, try installing as a port whilst connected to the net so that the port can pull down whatever other files it needs. As well, nethack-qt seemed to want to use gmake, so I'd recommend making sure that you have gmake installed as well (it's available as a port/package). If all else fails, try installing angband which is a nethack clone (I would probably get crucified by some angband fans for saying that) set in the Tolkien universe (/usr/ports/games/angband). It's pretty good as well. Hope this helps! Peter (ppawel@axess.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 21:17:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15776 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15768 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA29498; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:16:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980707141648.22213@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:16:49 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "Peter D. Pawelek" Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nethack References: <19980706062142.09447@welearn.com.au> <19980705193555.A2497@axess.com> <19980706100424.64956@welearn.com.au> <19980705210908.A2609@axess.com> <19980707000842.25413@nothing-going-on.org> <19980707094242.15217@welearn.com.au> <19980706225645.A10918@axess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980706225645.A10918@axess.com>; from Peter D. Pawelek on Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 10:56:45PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 10:56:45PM -0400, Peter D. Pawelek wrote: > Quoting Sue Blake (sue@welearn.com.au): > > > > Clearly I'm not :-( I tried installing it last night and... well... when > > I cheer up I might tell the tale of woe. > > > > I've got nethack-3.2.2.tgz and nethack-qt-3.2.2.tgz here, and this qt > > business means nothing at all to me. Is one the X version or what?? > > > > Yes, the qt version is for X and it requires that the qt libraries have > already been installed. The qt libraries provide a lot of gui objects > and other X graphical elements for programs written to use them; be- > sides nethack-qt, KDE was written with the qt libraries. Aah, well I don't want that one. > Anyway, I digress. I just installed nethack-qt on my FreeBSD box to > see if it would work (on my girlfriends machine it was installed as > a package during the initial CDROM install (the non-qt version, that > is)) and I didn't have any problems. What I did was to first install > the qt port followed by the nethack-qt port; the nethack-qt port pulled > down a few other programs, so I wonder if this is where you had your > problem (ie. did you try to install it as a package?). Yeah, yeah, it all makes sense now! I tried to install the wrong package for me. > The install went flawlessly and I just finished a bit of hacking and > slashing to make sure everything was alright. ;) I just installed the _correct_ package, and yes it went flawlessly. Dunno about any hacking and slashing though. It complains about permissions somewhere but I can run it as root OK until I sort that out. Ooh, this is exciting.... well here I am, past the preamble, and suddenly there's this big blank screen with a few funny marks on it, and down the bottom there's the single instruction: Root the Troglodite I guess I'd better read the manual to work out how to do it. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 21:30:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17711 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vanessa.eliuk.org (pme28.sunshine.net [209.17.178.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17701 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by vanessa.eliuk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA00501; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:29:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cagey@vanessa.eliuk.org) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:29:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Reply-To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" To: "Peter D. Pawelek" cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why use XFree86 (was: Top Ten (here's mine...)) In-Reply-To: <19980705211622.B2609@axess.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 5 July 1998, Peter D. Pawelek wrote: => Hmm..I've never actually looked into using xv to actually view images on => a lynx-rendered web page. Let us know what happens after playing around => with lynx.cfg for a while! :) Well a little experimentation and very little configuration. Below are the required diffs to allow for it. 1099c1099 < #MAKE_LINKS_FOR_ALL_IMAGES:FALSE --- > MAKE_LINKS_FOR_ALL_IMAGES:TRUE I'm not sure if uncommenting this was neccesary. 1113c1113 < #MAKE_PSEUDO_ALTS_FOR_INLINES:TRUE --- > MAKE_PSEUDO_ALTS_FOR_INLINES:TRUE Of course: 1254,1260c1254,1260 < #SUFFIX:.gif:image/gif < #SUFFIX:.rgb:image/x-rgb < #SUFFIX:.pict:image/x-pict < #SUFFIX:.xbm:image/x-xbitmap < #SUFFIX:.tiff:image/x-tiff < #SUFFIX:.jpg:image/jpeg < #SUFFIX:.jpeg:image/jpeg --- > SUFFIX:.gif:image/gif > SUFFIX:.rgb:image/x-rgb > SUFFIX:.pict:image/x-pict > SUFFIX:.xbm:image/x-xbitmap > SUFFIX:.tiff:image/x-tiff > SUFFIX:.jpg:image/jpeg > SUFFIX:.jpeg:image/jpeg 1304c1304 < #XLOADIMAGE_COMMAND:xv %s --- > XLOADIMAGE_COMMAND:xv %s The rest is fairly self explanatory :) This isn't going to be to everyones liking I guess, but it certainly makes for faster info retrieval and lynx in an xterm loads up a whole lot faster and requires less resources. Personally I really have always liked the lynx flavour of browsing for the most part. Regards, Discover Rock Solid Kevin G. Eliuk Discover FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.Org --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==----==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- All of my opinions are my own and in no way reflect those of my employers, past, present, or future, either real or imagined. --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 22:41:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28538 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:41:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28519 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.184.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/04/23 5.10)) id BAA00828; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 01:41:03 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from default (ts001d14.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.26]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.8) id BAA15515; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 01:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A1B603.4C76@concentric.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:45:39 -0600 From: ML Duke Reply-To: mlduke@concentric.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-GZone (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" CC: "Peter D. Pawelek" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Lynx--was something else References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kevin G. Eliuk wrote: > > On Sun, 5 July 1998, Peter D. Pawelek wrote: > Partial to Lynx, myself. Don't quite remember how it happened, but pre Unix days I learned to do web pages with alternate text for such browers. Post Unix, once tried to explain this to another design "expert" which I am not and received the very strangest look. The statement "you could be losing 10% of your customers" received more attention. Don't know if he changed it because the site wasn't worth a visit, anyway--why is that not surprising--but the lack of awareness text browser users exist make some sites useless. So, netscape running in x on another terminal saves the day when a text useless site looks maybe to be of interest. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 22:45:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29429 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:45:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29421 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:45:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA29768; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:45:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980707154520.28303@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:45:20 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Cc: "Peter D. Pawelek" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why use XFree86 (was: Top Ten (here's mine...)) References: <19980705211622.B2609@axess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Kevin G. Eliuk on Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 09:29:01PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 09:29:01PM -0700, Kevin G. Eliuk wrote: > On Sun, 5 July 1998, Peter D. Pawelek wrote: > > => Hmm..I've never actually looked into using xv to actually view images on > => a lynx-rendered web page. Let us know what happens after playing around > => with lynx.cfg for a while! :) > > Well a little experimentation and very little configuration. > Below are the required diffs to allow for it. > > 1099c1099 > < #MAKE_LINKS_FOR_ALL_IMAGES:FALSE > --- > > MAKE_LINKS_FOR_ALL_IMAGES:TRUE > > I'm not sure if uncommenting this was neccesary. Or just as a user, press * while in lynx to toggle image links on (and off again) > > 1113c1113 > < #MAKE_PSEUDO_ALTS_FOR_INLINES:TRUE > --- > > MAKE_PSEUDO_ALTS_FOR_INLINES:TRUE Or, while running lynx, type [ to toggle pseudo-alts on (or off) Well, I think that's all I do. Press k while running lynx and you see all sorts of neat stuff! I used the blasted thing for years before discovering there that you can move up and down less than a full page. Grrr... Take a looky, before you work too hard :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- still looking for a troglodyte.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 6 22:52:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00809 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bag-1.mail.digex.net (bag-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.99.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00794 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from guetzkow@access.digex.net) Received: from roadside (dcc12493.slip.digex.net [205.197.203.144]) by bag-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA23327 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 01:52:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel Guetzkow" To: Subject: RE: Nethack Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 01:48:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bda96b$2dd72070$9001010a@roadside> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19980707094242.15217@welearn.com.au> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 'vi', the VIsual editor, is pronounced "vee-eye" by the way. [Microsoft is having fun calling their Visual InterDev product by that name, just to encroach on traditions, I'm told.] ditto 'cu', the Communications Utility, a remote terminal emulator. say "cee-you". and 'rc' was the "Run Command" file. Then it became a whole set of them, with rc tucked away in the name (look in /etc). Just some nomenclature history to help indoctrinate newbies. From: Daniel Guetzkow just click here: mailto:guetzkow@access.digex.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Sue Blake Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 7:43 PM To: Nik Clayton Cc: Peter D. Pawelek; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nethack On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 12:08:42AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 09:09:08PM -0400, Peter D. Pawelek wrote: > > Well, let's just say that after spending a few hours each night > > learning how to use various shells, set environment variables, set > > file permissions, etc (not to mention all the X-windows esoterica) > > she likes to unwind by cruising around an ASCII rendered dungeon > > skewering orcs and kobolds... at this rate she'll be a UNIX wizard > > in no time... :)) > > Just as an aside: if you're using the nethack I know and love, you're > probably using the the 'h', 'j', 'k', and 'l' keys to move around the > dungeon, right? Clearly I'm not :-( I tried installing it last night and... well... when I cheer up I might tell the tale of woe. I've got nethack-3.2.2.tgz and nethack-qt-3.2.2.tgz here, and this qt business means nothing at all to me. Is one the X version or what?? > If so, keep in mind that this is an excellent way to learn the cursor > movement keys for 'vi' as well. Eh, you're not going to put me off nethack before I've tried it! :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 7 01:41:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22860 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 01:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pasebo.nnettown.or.jp (pasebo.nnettown.or.jp [202.229.198.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA22843 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 01:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sean@pasebo.nnet.ne.jp) Received: from mail.nnet.ne.jp ([202.229.198.15] (may be forged)) by pasebo.nnettown.or.jp (8.8.6/3.5Wpl7-pasebo-97/08/31/18) with ESMTP id RAA23043 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:41:11 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <35A1DF7D.C12974AD@mail.nnet.ne.jp> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:42:37 +0900 From: Sean Bennett Reply-To: sean@pasebo.nnet.ne.jp Organization: N-NET (Nakamura Shoji Co.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Netatalk info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks.... Is there *any* info on actually *using* netatalk on FreeBSD anywhere on the net? Sure, pkg_add is convienient, but then what. I can find no info, or readme files, or anything else on my system or on the net regarding what to do after a netatalk pkg_add on FreeBSD. ...yeah, maybe its time for a coffee break... Sean sean@mail.nnet.ne.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 7 09:03:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18475 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panix2.panix.com (xHPZ4Xi/QNkdtUv+iKJKNJblpwf+ycsZ@panix2.panix.com [166.84.1.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18457 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:03:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmw@panix.com) Received: from localhost (jmw@localhost) by panix2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.8.8/PanixU1.4) with SMTP id MAA02891 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:04:13 -0400 (EDT) From: jmw To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Editor suggestions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Now that I've been using FreeBSD for a few weeks, and feeling a bit more comfortable with it, I would like to start porting over some of my own DOS based utilities to FreeBSD. However, I've been spoiled up to this point by using the varies development environments that both Borland and DJGPP's RHide provide. I am curious what most Unix folk use for the "ideal" programmers editor. Ideal is rather subjective, but at least it will give me some ideas as to what I should be looking for. :) Suggestions? Thanks again for your time, John Wilson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 7 09:12:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20579 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20563 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:12:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA02155; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199807071611.JAA02155@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: ppawel@axess.com, sue@welearn.com.au Subject: Re: Nethack Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980707141648.22213@welearn.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:16:49 +1000 >From: Sue Blake >I just installed the _correct_ package, and yes it went flawlessly. >Dunno about any hacking and slashing though. It complains about >permissions somewhere but I can run it as root OK until I sort that out. Not too good. "make install" (done as root) ought ot set the proper permissions. >Ooh, this is exciting.... well here I am, past the preamble, and suddenly >there's this big blank screen with a few funny marks on it, and down the >bottom there's the single instruction: Root the Troglodite > I guess I'd better read the manual to work out how to do it. Ah -- a Cave[wo]man...! :-) The "?" command is useful. BTW, one of the nice things about NetHack is the ability to specify preferences (in the file ~/.nethackrc, as I recall -- I don't have it installed here at work). Among those is which gender you prefer to be addressed as, whether you prefer your pet to be a cat or a dog, and a myriad (well, nearly) of other things. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 7 09:57:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27351 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27334 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (pm03-03.aei.ca [206.123.6.153]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24328; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A25268.849A8049@aei.ca> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 12:52:56 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmw CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Editor suggestions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jmw wrote: > > Hello, > > Now that I've been using FreeBSD for a few weeks, and feeling a bit > more comfortable with it, I would like to start porting over some > of my own DOS based utilities to FreeBSD. > > However, I've been spoiled up to this point by using the varies > development environments that both Borland and DJGPP's RHide provide. > I am curious what most Unix folk use for the "ideal" programmers editor. > Ideal is rather subjective, but at least it will give me some ideas as to > what I should be looking for. :) > > Suggestions? > > Thanks again for your time, > John Wilson Maybe you can ask that question on hackers@freebsd.org. No need to subscribe, they will Cc you the reply. -- [Malartre] [malartre@aei.ca][ICQ#4224434][www.aei.ca/~malartre/][www.FreeBSD.ORG] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 7 10:06:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29398 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:06:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29369 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@boothman.easynet.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27187 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 17:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Boothman.easynet.co.uk) (194.154.100.117) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 17:06:10 -0000 Received: by Boothman.easynet.co.uk (VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:23:01 +0100 Message-ID: <35A22A82.AB4C4F85@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 15:02:42 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Newbies Discussion List Subject: WOW! Passive Learning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d Unregistered Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! Still not got FreeBSD Installed. :-( I'm trying to get the hardware together, it's kind of difficult when your budget doesn't reach 3 figures! :) Anyway, even though I don't even have FreeBSD installed yet, I've been reading freebsd-newbies, -questions, and comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc and I think it's really amazing how much I've learned even though I've never actually had any exposure to the OS. I think that lurking about on the mailing lists and the newsgroups is the best way to prepare yourself for installing FreeBSD. I can actually *understand* most of the messages that fly about on -questions and c.u.b.freebsd.misc, and feel that I could actually answer them sometimes. And I've not even touched a FreeBSD system. Don't get me wrong, I don't consider myself any kind of expert, and I wouldn't answer anything on -questions until I have much more experience. I just think it shows how much someone can learn from just reading forums like -questions, and without even asking anything! I call it Passive Learning. I think I could probably market it on cable TV..... :) -- Andrew Boothman http://www.boothman.easynet.co.uk/andrew/ PGP Key available from public servers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 7 10:31:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02948 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:31:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02941 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id NAA27893; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: jmw cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Editor suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, jmw wrote: > Now that I've been using FreeBSD for a few weeks, and feeling a bit > more comfortable with it, I would like to start porting over some > of my own DOS based utilities to FreeBSD. > > However, I've been spoiled up to this point by using the varies > development environments that both Borland and DJGPP's RHide provide. > I am curious what most Unix folk use for the "ideal" programmers editor. > Ideal is rather subjective, but at least it will give me some ideas as to > what I should be looking for. :) Emacs? XWPE? both in ports. Chris -- "Linux... The choice of a GNUtered generation." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 7 10:33:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03300 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zephyr.cybercom.net (zephyr.cybercom.net [209.21.146.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03294 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:33:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from shell1.cybercom.net (ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net [209.21.136.6]) by zephyr.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA24868; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by shell1.cybercom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22353; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:33:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.cybercom.net: ksmm owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:33:13 -0400 (EDT) From: The Classiest Man Alive X-Sender: ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net To: jmw cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Editor suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org emacs is the consummate editor which will allow you to do everything from editing/compiling code to reading e-mail. Its platform independence makes it a good choice if you plan to use other UNIX systems as well. Learning to use the advanced features will take some time, however. K.S. On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, jmw wrote: : : Hello, : : Now that I've been using FreeBSD for a few weeks, and feeling a bit : more comfortable with it, I would like to start porting over some : of my own DOS based utilities to FreeBSD. : : However, I've been spoiled up to this point by using the varies : development environments that both Borland and DJGPP's RHide provide. : I am curious what most Unix folk use for the "ideal" programmers editor. : Ideal is rather subjective, but at least it will give me some ideas as to : what I should be looking for. :) : : Suggestions? : : Thanks again for your time, : John Wilson : : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 7 11:02:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07393 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.auracom.net (root@mail1.auracom.net [165.154.140.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07283 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arthur@col.auracom.com) Received: from outpost.col.auracom.com (ts2-25.tru.auracom.com [165.154.114.89]) by mail1.auracom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15890; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 15:02:32 -0300 (ADT) From: arthur To: jmw Subject: RE: Editor suggestions Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 07-Jul-98 jmw wrote: > > Hello, > > Now that I've been using FreeBSD for a few weeks, and feeling a bit > more comfortable with it, I would like to start porting over some > of my own DOS based utilities to FreeBSD. > > However, I've been spoiled up to this point by using the varies > development environments that both Borland and DJGPP's RHide provide. > I am curious what most Unix folk use for the "ideal" programmers > editor. > Ideal is rather subjective, but at least it will give me some ideas as > to > what I should be looking for. :) > > Suggestions? > ... Well when it comes to editors, there are a few to choose from, but if you're looking for one that you'll find in most unix varients you might want to take the time to learn vi. pico and ee are also nice, my personal favorite is ee. > Thanks again for your time, > John Wilson - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - arthur@col.auracom.com In a world without fences, is there a need for gates --end-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 7 11:07:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08064 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08058 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:07:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lurkie@wxs.nl) Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.36.141]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA2383; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:47:38 +0200 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:48:44 +0200 From: Marc Veldman To: sean@pasebo.nnet.ne.jp Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netatalk info X-Mailer: AK-Mail 3.0b [eng] (unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <771823BD1282.AAA2383@smtp01.wxs.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Sean, > Is there *any* info on actually *using* netatalk on FreeBSD anywhere on > the net? Sure, pkg_add is convienient, but then what. > I can find no info, or readme files, or anything else on my system or on > the net regarding what to do after a netatalk pkg_add on FreeBSD. > ...yeah, maybe its time for a coffee break... Try: http://www.umich.edu/~rsug/netatalk/ Think you do need a coffee break. When you look in http://www.freebsd.org/ports/net.html under netatalk-1.4b2, the long description gets you there...... Good Luck, Marc Veldman. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 7 11:21:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10405 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:21:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gutenberg.uoregon.edu (gutenberg.uoregon.edu [128.223.56.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10387 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:21:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sharding@gutenberg.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (sharding@localhost) by gutenberg.uoregon.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05875; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Harding Reply-To: Sean Harding To: jmw cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Editor suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, jmw wrote: > development environments that both Borland and DJGPP's RHide provide. > I am curious what most Unix folk use for the "ideal" programmers editor. I personally like emacs (or xemacs if you don't mind slow and want context coloring) for programming. vi is good if you want to do a quick edit of a configuration file, and some people like it better for programming too (it is much leaner than emacs). Sean -- Sean Harding sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu|"It's not a habit, it's cool. http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ | I feel alive." NeXTMail OK! | --k's Choice To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 7 18:21:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00714 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.axess.com (root@mail.axess.com [204.19.206.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00705 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ppawel@axess.com) Received: from my.domain (ppp-19.axess.com [204.19.207.19]) by mail.axess.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id VAA18090; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:25:10 -0400 Received: (from ppawel@localhost) by my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00727; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:21:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ppawel) Message-ID: <19980707182114.A713@axess.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:21:14 -0400 From: "Peter D. Pawelek" To: David Wolfskill , sue@welearn.com.au Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nethack References: <19980707141648.22213@welearn.com.au> <199807071611.JAA02155@pau-amma.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <199807071611.JAA02155@pau-amma.whistle.com>; from David Wolfskill on Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 09:11:20AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting David Wolfskill (dhw@whistle.com): > >Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:16:49 +1000 > >From: Sue Blake > > >I just installed the _correct_ package, and yes it went flawlessly. > >Dunno about any hacking and slashing though. It complains about > >permissions somewhere but I can run it as root OK until I sort that out. > > Not too good. "make install" (done as root) ought ot set the proper > permissions. My girlfriend had this problem when installing Nethack as a package from the CDROM. If you do a clean install (after removing the previously installed package, of course) via the port, the permis- sions should be set up properly. BTW, did I mention angband? In some ways I like it better than nethack. As well, there's *another* nethack-alike called adom. Adom, IIRC, is only available as a Linux binary but I suppose it should run okay under Linux emulation. Peter (ppawel@axess.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 8 02:13:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA02526 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:13:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02488 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirat@center.oaep.go.th) Received: from prime.oaep.go.th (slip202-135-22-183.sy.au.ibm.net [202.135.22.183]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA55376; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:37:15 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:38:20 +0700 (ICT) From: pirat sriyotha X-Sender: pirat@prime.oaep.go.th To: jmw cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Editor suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, jmw wrote: > I am curious what most Unix folk use for the "ideal" programmers editor. > i dare not say that i am *nix folk but sure i use to write some codes or programmes in mikro$oft realm. > > Ideal is rather subjective, but at least it will give me some ideas as to > what I should be looking for. :) > > Suggestions? > try xemacs (in X window) or simply emacs and spend your time in reading tutorial. oh yes, there are some suggestions on this also in freebsd home page but i forget the link, forgive me. Pirat Sriyotha pirat@center.oaep.go.th To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 8 02:40:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13169 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:40:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bamboo.verinet.com (root@bamboo.verinet.com [204.144.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA13135 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:40:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: from struct. (daisy2.verinet.com [199.45.181.226]) by bamboo.verinet.com (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA06984; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:21:40 -0600 Received: (from allenc@localhost) by struct. (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13949; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:21:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from allenc) Message-ID: <19980707202137.A13804@verinet.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:21:37 -0600 From: allen campbell To: jmw Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Editor suggestions References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from jmw on Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 12:04:13PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 12:04:13PM -0400, jmw wrote: > > Hello, > > Now that I've been using FreeBSD for a few weeks, and feeling a bit > more comfortable with it, I would like to start porting over some > of my own DOS based utilities to FreeBSD. > > However, I've been spoiled up to this point by using the varies > development environments that both Borland and DJGPP's RHide provide. > I am curious what most Unix folk use for the "ideal" programmers editor. > Ideal is rather subjective, but at least it will give me some ideas as to > what I should be looking for. :) > > Suggestions? > > Thanks again for your time, > John Wilson > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > I began developing in the DOS/Windows world of Borland's IDE and later the various Microsoft Visual C/C++ systems. Since then, I have found my lively-hood in database applications development on various Unix platforms, so I am versed in both modes of thought. Many Unix developers are unfamiliar with the notion of an integrated development environment. Almost any Unix developer, even those who are using some sort of IDE, will be comfortable using a wide variety of small utilities. Many rely entirely on this model. When I consider my own behavior, I find that everything is done with some generalized tool; xterm, vi, make, awk, sed, grep, ksh, cpp, m4, ar, lint, tkman, fmt, etc. Taken together these tools allow high productivity. One on the advantages of this method is portability; most of these tools are very consistent across Unix platforms. One disadvantage is a steep learning curve relative to a comprehensive IDE. I work hard to keep a level head about this. When I find it necessary to deal with some IDE (Oracle Developer/2000 being a recent example,) I keep the end result in focus and adapt to the tools. The notion of 'some IDE' should be considered; about the time you become proficient with some integrated system, it changes or you move on to something else (i.e. you moving away from wintel.) On the other hand, I doubt I'll live long enough to see the core behavior of vi change much. Be flexible. Learn to work without an IDE for starters, and then look around and see what you like. In the end, what matters is what you write. Not how you write it. -- Allen Campbell allenc@verinet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 8 03:50:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06022 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05812 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@aeiusrI-42.aei.ca [206.186.205.192]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA12806; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A32308.4CD16590@aei.ca> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 03:43:04 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Boothman CC: FreeBSD Newbies Discussion List Subject: Re: WOW! Passive Learning References: <35A22A82.AB4C4F85@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Anyway, even though I don't even have FreeBSD installed yet, I've been > reading freebsd-newbies, -questions, and comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc and > I think it's really amazing how much I've learned even though I've never > actually had any exposure to the OS. > > I think that lurking about on the mailing lists and the newsgroups is > the best way to prepare yourself for installing FreeBSD. I can actually > *understand* most of the messages that fly about on -questions and > c.u.b.freebsd.misc, and feel that I could actually answer them > sometimes. And I've not even touched a FreeBSD system. I currently read all e-mail on questions@freebsd.org and sometimes I find something interesting (like that really stupid problem it taked me 2 week to correct/understand =) and I even answer! -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 8 12:56:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19673 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19668; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from suleyman@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (suleyman@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA04829; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Seggerman To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: FreeBSD Newbies Mailing List Subject: more modem trouble Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings: I have 2.2.5 runing on my Toshiba Laptop. The Xirocm CreditCard Modem that came with it is apparently no good for FreeBSD. I have a kernel re-built from the PAO-boot.flp. Until I get a new PCMCIA modem, I would like to borrow the external modem from my PC and use it to access the ports collection. Merely plugging in the external modem to a serial port and selecting cuaa0 (that's what it is on the PC, and there's only one serial port on the laptop) in either ppp.conf or setting the device from the PPP prompt, gives me the message "device not configured." Will this require a kernel re-build? Thanks, Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 8 19:41:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08616 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:41:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08555 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:40:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA20702; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:40:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:40:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman X-Sender: chrisc@vnode Reply-To: Chris Coleman To: Ken Seggerman cc: FreeBSD Newbies Mailing List Subject: Re: more modem trouble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Will this require a kernel re-build? It shouldn't, the serial drivers should be in your kernel. type: dmesg | grep sio This will tell you if the sio0 (COM1) driver is in your kernel. If this reveals nothing, you can try talking to the COM port using cu. cu -l /dev/cuaa0 This will connect you to the modem. You can try the other different com ports cuaa1 cuaa2 etc.. If the device is there, but not configured, you can try this. cd /dev sh MAKEDEV cuaa0 This will rebuild your COM port device. -Chris > > Thanks, > Ken > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 10 06:28:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09326 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA09321 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon_v_mendoza@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980710132715.11165.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [128.58.111.30] by send1a; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:27:15 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:27:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Mendoza Subject: StarOffice-3_1 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everyone, Has anyone tried to install this package with any success whatsoever? This is because, I have installed it but unfourtunately I keep getting the "ELF" message. ELF not found Would anybody know this lad (ELF)? Is it Mythical? am I the Myth for not being able to know what is happening? Greetings to all and thank you Simon. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 10 15:46:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04792 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:46:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04774; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from suleyman@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (suleyman@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA25384; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:45:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Seggerman To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: FreeBSD Newbies Mailing List Subject: sgmlfmt not found Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings: When I installed 2.2.5, I chose a minimal installation. I have since copied the handbook and the FAQ off of the cdrom into /usr/share/doc on my hard drive, did a pkg_add of lynx to read them. Greg Lehey's book says that the handbook and FAQ will be in the form of .html files. They are in .sgml files. The make command attempts to convert them into .html files using the smglfmt command. Make fails becaues the sgmlfmt command isn't there. Any idea where I can find the sgmlfmt command and load it into my system? Thanks, Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 10 17:08:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20371 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20245 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:08:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA29936; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:08:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:08:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman X-Sender: chrisc@vnode To: Simon Mendoza cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: StarOffice-3_1 In-Reply-To: <19980710132715.11165.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You need to install the linux emulation. Its in the ports collection. There are two options. Kernel support for linux emulation, or lkm support. If you choose kernel support, you need to rebuild your kernel. For either one, you need to install the linux libs from the ports collection. If you use the linux lkm, you adtivate it /etc/rc.local "linux = YES" -Chris On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Simon Mendoza wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Has anyone tried to install this package with any success whatsoever? > This is because, I have installed it but unfourtunately I keep getting > the "ELF" message. > > ELF not found > > Would anybody know this lad (ELF)? > Is it Mythical? > am I the Myth for not being able to know what is happening? > > Greetings to all and thank you > > Simon. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 10 17:10:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20712 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20631; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA29954; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:09:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman X-Sender: chrisc@vnode To: Ken Seggerman cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Newbies Mailing List Subject: Re: sgmlfmt not found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Ken Seggerman wrote: > Greetings: > > When I installed 2.2.5, I chose a minimal installation. > > I have since copied the handbook and the FAQ off of the cdrom into > /usr/share/doc on my hard drive, did a pkg_add of lynx to read them. > > Greg Lehey's book says that the handbook and FAQ will be in the form > of .html files. > > They are in .sgml files. The make command attempts to convert them into > .html files using the smglfmt command. > > Make fails becaues the sgmlfmt command isn't there. > > Any idea where I can find the sgmlfmt command and load it into my system? cd /usr/ports/textproc/sgmlformat make install -Chris > > Thanks, > Ken > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 10 19:30:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12139 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:30:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12132 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17568 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:30:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:30:10 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199807110230.MAA17568@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 6 June 1998) This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies. We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook344.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html Other resources [Updated! New links to info on ppp and the X Window System] A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 10 20:29:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18648 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18643 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:29:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17761; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:29:35 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980711132932.27793@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:29:32 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Top Ten References: <19980704000007.20605@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980704000007.20605@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Sat, Jul 04, 1998 at 12:00:07AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jul 04, 1998 at 12:00:07AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > ... I'm putting together a single package for > newbies that will install some extra documentation and then cause a few > other packages to be installed... This is getting very close to happening. > As a newbie without X, if you could only install ten FreeBSD packages, > which ones would be essential for everyday use? Last call for your top ten lists! -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 10 23:10:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01551 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01541 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA01181; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:10:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:10:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman X-Sender: chrisc@vnode To: Sue Blake cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Top Ten In-Reply-To: <19980711132932.27793@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > As a newbie without X, if you could only install ten FreeBSD packages, > > which ones would be essential for everyday use? > > Last call for your top ten lists! tcsh (My Shell!) pine (Need E-mail) cvsup-bin (Can't upgrade with out it.) colorls (Tells me what's what) cops (taught me how to configure my system) ssh (No Telnet) -Chris > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 10 23:46:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03635 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03630 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA01268 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:46:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:46:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman X-Sender: chrisc@vnode To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Linux Emulation. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have put together a very small set of instructions on how to setup linux emulation. (It's very easy to install, but people need to know how.) Could somebody look it over and tell me if it works? I just kinda threw it together and want some feedback. It's easy to miss a step when you have done it several times. http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/configure.phtml Its section 6. "How to install Linux Emulation". Thanks. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 11 04:27:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26525 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.axess.com (root@mail.axess.com [204.19.206.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA26520 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:27:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ppawel@axess.com) Received: from ppawel (ppp-1.axess.com [204.19.207.1]) by mail.axess.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id HAA02218; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:27:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980711072237.0079b5f0@mail.axess.com> X-Sender: ppawel@mail.axess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:22:37 -0400 To: Sue Blake From: "Peter D. Pawelek" Subject: Re: Nethack Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980711134239.05898@welearn.com.au> References: <19980707182114.A713@axess.com> <19980707141648.22213@welearn.com.au> <199807071611.JAA02155@pau-amma.whistle.com> <19980707182114.A713@axess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:42 PM 7/11/98 +1000, you wrote: >If it shouldn't be necessary to be in the games group to play nethack, >and if the port and the package really do set permissions differently, >maybe the package needs looking at. > >Which is it? Well, I checked out DejaNews to see what other people have had to say about this: ------ BEGIN MESSAGE------ Subject: Re: No write permission to lock perm From: s.c.sprong@student.utwente.nl (S.C.Sprong) Date: 1997/09/02 Message-ID: <5uh9j6$dnc@dinkel.civ.utwente.nl> Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.nethack [More Headers] [Subscribe to rec.games.roguelike.nethack] Janne Anttila wrote: >I installed Nethack 3.2.2, and when I try to run it, I get the subject's >error message (even the file 'perm' has full write permissions). >How do I install Nethack properly? OS is Linux RedHat 4.2. I did a search in Dejanews, but I didn't find any authorative answer. This is from the Nethack Makefile: permission GAMESPERM 04755 FILEPERM 0644 EXEPERM 0755 DIRPERM 0755 The owner of all the files and the directory is games:games This is the standard setting when you're installing the binary distribution, but it gives the error you described, except for root. Try the following: - invite your personal account to the group 'games' - make the directory '../nethackdir' and '../nethackdir/save' group- and/or worldwritable - SUID nethack on execution I'm lazy and toggled just all of the above. I would be very interested hearing from you about the minimal changes necessary. My OS is FreeBSD 3.0, which is comparable to Linux. ------END MESSAGE------- ------BEGIN MESSAGE------ Subject: Re: Setting up for Multiuser system.. From: jmf9936@is4.nyu.edu (Josh) Date: 1997/08/15 Message-ID: Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.nethack [More Headers] [Subscribe to rec.games.roguelike.nethack] In article , Felius wrote: > I'm wondering if people could give me tips on setting up nethack on a > multiuser (FreeBSD) system. At the moment it's just sitting there owned > by root, and as our sysadmin doesn't play it (I'm working on him ;)) I > want to install it so I have wiz power, and can set stuff up.. > > I'm thinking that the best way may be to create a user named 'nethack', > and install it in their home directory.. What permissions would I have to > set to allow people to play it without letting them go crazy with > anything? (except maybe to copy their savefiles - as a means of backup > only. I recently lost a kick-ass V because the dungeon collapsed and I > didn't have privs to recover it before someone else played.. why doesn't > nethack check for existing lock files or whatever they are on a multiuser > system??) > > So, suggestions from anyone who's done this would be very welcome.. Call the user "wizard" or change the name (GAMEUID = xxx) in the Makefile. If you have a group that all your users belong to, put wizard in that group, so he has no abnormal permissions (on my Linux system, it's "users"). Again, change the Makefile (GAMEGID = xxx) to reflect whichever group you like. chown -R wizard:users /usr/local/nethack-3.2.2 (if that's the directory with all the sources) It's probably a good idea to edit include/config.h and #define SECURE so that lock-file thing will work... I don't #define MAX_NO_OF_USERS (or whatever it is), so I don't know how well that works, but if you're so successful at evangelizing nethack that it plays unacceptably slow, you might consider it. then do a "make install" and enjoy! Hope this helps, Josh ------END MESSAGE------ Unfortunately, I'm slumming it at the moment (ie. I'm in Windows95), so I'm not able to check the permissions of ~ and the nethack dirs on my system, but I'm speculating that the port has a script in it that sets up everything properly (unlike the package). Don't you just love DejaNews? You can find an answer to *anything* there! Peter Pawelek (ppawel@axess.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 11 07:29:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06365 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:29:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06357 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrI-22.aei.ca [206.186.205.172]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15220 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A77576.F449D9D1@aei.ca> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:23:50 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Vacancy in London Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I go to england(London) for 3 week, cya all ;-) I espect to have thousands of e-mail when I will be back :-/ -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 11 07:33:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06672 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:33:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06666 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:33:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA19038; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:33:39 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980712003336.12414@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:33:36 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "Peter D. Pawelek" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nethack References: <19980707182114.A713@axess.com> <19980707141648.22213@welearn.com.au> <199807071611.JAA02155@pau-amma.whistle.com> <19980707182114.A713@axess.com> <19980711134239.05898@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19980711072237.0079b5f0@mail.axess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980711072237.0079b5f0@mail.axess.com>; from Peter D. Pawelek on Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 07:22:37AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 07:22:37AM -0400, Peter D. Pawelek wrote: > At 01:42 PM 7/11/98 +1000, you wrote: > > Unfortunately, I'm slumming it at the moment (ie. I'm in Windows95), so > I'm not able to check the permissions of ~ and the nethack dirs on my > system, but I'm speculating that the port has a script in it that sets > up everything properly (unlike the package). Interesting quotes, thanks. Not a big worry for me now though, my installation works. I just have to figure out how to play it :-) DejaNews might be good for that too. Now I'm mainly curious about the FreeBSD side, which I hope will be clarified in -questions because my full question about the FreeBSD issues (which we don't see here) is now in their archives. > Don't you just love DejaNews? You can find an answer to *anything* there! Yeah, I have used it to find out about monsters before, but never thought it'd have info about nethack! -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 11 19:54:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14328 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from river.netrover.com (river.netrover.com [204.50.56.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14303; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:54:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eletech@netrover.com) Received: from netrover.com (qc1-55.netrover.com [198.168.87.55]) by river.netrover.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04898; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A7C590.4BFFBFD4@netrover.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:05:37 -0400 From: Nicolas Blais Organization: Elemental Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I have 4 questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org These may be stupid questions, be aware! (I'm new to UNIX) 1) I downloaded GNULS and I like it a lot. How do I change ls to GNULS so that I don't have to type GNULS? 2) What is the best port for reading and sending text email, I tried Pine but I think it's not good. 3) How do I read content from the floppy drive? (I'm new to UNIX) 4) What do I have to add to .cshrc so that my prompt shows the UPDATED current directory and %? Thanks, Nicolas Blais To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 11 20:10:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17133 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:10:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from online.no (pilt.online.no [193.212.1.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17125 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from havardjv@gudmund.vgs.no) Received: from arwen.myst.no (ti21a24-0099.dialup.online.no [130.67.196.227]) by online.no (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA02637; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:08:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (hjv@localhost) by arwen.myst.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00806; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:09:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from havardjv@gudmund.vgs.no) X-Authentication-Warning: arwen.myst.no: hjv owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:09:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Haavard Vaagstoel X-Sender: hjv@arwen.myst.no To: Sue Blake cc: "Peter D. Pawelek" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nethack In-Reply-To: <19980712003336.12414@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > Yeah, I have used it to find out about monsters before, but never > thought it'd have info about nethack! rec.games.rougelike.nethack is (or at least it was last time I checked) a very active newgroup, with regular postings and such. Not very strange, perhaps, considering the quality of the game ;-) -- Haavard Vaagstoel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 11 21:30:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00109 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from harfang.CC.UMontreal.CA (harfang.CC.UMontreal.CA [132.204.2.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29989; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beaupran@JSP.UMontreal.CA) Received: from epsom.jsp.umontreal.ca (epsom.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.25]) by harfang.CC.UMontreal.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09182; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outpost.nada.org (derby.jsp.umontreal.ca [132.204.45.26]) by epsom.jsp.umontreal.ca via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/JSP1789) id AAA00801; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:30:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:32:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Spidey X-Sender: beaupran@outpost.nada.org To: Nicolas Blais cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I have 4 questions In-Reply-To: <35A7C590.4BFFBFD4@netrover.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Nicolas Blais wrote: > These may be stupid questions, be aware! (I'm new to UNIX) > > 1) I downloaded GNULS and I like it a lot. How do I change ls to GNULS > so that I don't have to type GNULS? First, find out where GNULS is but typing: which GNULS or whereis GNULS. second, you can either: make an alias by typing alias ls {pathToGNULS}/GNULS make a link to GNULS by typing ln {pathToGNULS}/GNULS ls see man ln, and man alias for details. (type man man if you really don't get it... ;) BTW, what is GNULS, and what is so nice about it? > 2) What is the best port for reading and sending text email, I tried > Pine but I think it's not good. I'm using Pine since I know UNIX, and I am pretty satisfied... What is the problem with it? There are many other mail readers (Elm, netscape , ...) see /usr/ports/mail/README.html if you installed the ports, or www.freebsd.org/ports/ > 3) How do I read content from the floppy drive? (I'm new to UNIX) > You _mount_ the floppy drive in a "directory". If it's a dos floppy, try mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt Explanations: -t is the type of floppy (filesystem) you're mounting /dev/fd0 is the device you're mounting, in occurence the floppy. /mnt is the place where it should be mounted. Then you can cd to /mnt and ls (or GNULS!) to see what's inside. > 4) What do I have to add to .cshrc so that my prompt shows the UPDATED > current directory and %? Ahhhh! The funny part! you must change the "prompt" variable, which is set ine .cshrc to 'hostname -s' by set prompt = 'hostname -s'. You might like to comment this line out and put: set prompt = "%n@%m [%t] %c3%# %L" it gives me: beaupran@outpost [12:26am] ~> ^ ^ ^ ^ | | | \_________ my logname the hostname the time the tree top dirs of the current dir (%n) @ (%m) [%t] %c 3 > hope this helps! reply if something's bad... Spidey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 11 23:07:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13147 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:07:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [207.51.48.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13136 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:06:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevink@mindless.com) From: kevink@mindless.com Received: from hellhole (ppp-206-170-7-236.rdcy01.pacbell.net [206.170.7.236]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id BAA24688 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980711224143.0068f9d4@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: gekk0@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:41:43 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I have 4 questions In-Reply-To: <35A7C590.4BFFBFD4@netrover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >2) What is the best port for reading and sending text email, I tried >Pine but I think it's not good. > check out XFmail http://burka.netvision.net.il/xfmail/xfmail.html a nice gui app, even checks your POP account for you...and I believe the guy who wrote it runs fbsd (and ports it to other OS's). ------------- gekk0@usa.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 11 23:09:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13311 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13306; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:09:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA06549; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:08:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman X-Sender: chrisc@vnode To: Nicolas Blais cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I have 4 questions In-Reply-To: <35A7C590.4BFFBFD4@netrover.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 3) How do I read content from the floppy drive? (I'm new to UNIX) http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/running.phtml#s1-3-2 Tell me how you like it. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message