From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 2 04:27:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02909 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 04:27:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyclops.xtra.co.nz (cyclops.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA02903; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 04:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by cyclops.xtra.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA07859; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:27:30 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199808021127.XAA07859@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:27:29 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: This diary I'm keeping.... Reply-to: junkmale@xtra.co.nz X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message has been posted to both newbies and questions. Feel free to trim if you see the need. Followups should go to one or the other, which one, I don't know. Some of you will be familiar with this diary of mine that I'm keeping. As I go through the installation processes of my FreeBSD box, I keep a relatively detailed diary of what I'm doing. I'd like to make the diary more widely available to the FreeBSD community if it is seen as a useful resource. It might be useful to newbies as they will be doing the same stuff I am. And gurus might find it interesting to see what steps we newbies actually take when trying to do something a guru would find intuitive. [laughing at some bits is expected] I've been submitting the site to the search engines, but I wanted to know what other steps I can take to get at the FreeBSD community. Is a link from the FreeBSD site[s] appropriate? -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.dvl-software.com/freebsd : my [mis]adventures To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 2 13:45:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18612 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:45:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www0g.netaddress.usa.net (www0g.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18607 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:45:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gekk0@usa.net) Received: (qmail 25430 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 1998 20:45:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19980802204517.25429.qmail@www0g.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 206.170.24.5 by mail.netaddress.com via web-mailer(3.1) on Sun Aug 2 20:45:17 GMT 1998 Date: 2 Aug 98 13:45:17 PDT From: gekk0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Why is it so hard to find information?] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why not just use the ports collection to install Apache, DEs, etc? 'make install' --------------------------------------- owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: Is anyone else finding it difficult to find information? For example, I went to install apache today. I had to search the mailing list archives to find a list of steps to follow in order to install it. That's great! But then apache reports that I must have DES first. Not a problem. But I've just spend two hours trying to find instructions on how to install DES. I've found nothing. It's so frustrating! I can't be the only one that finds this difficult to the extreme of frustration. I can follow instructions. If only the instructions are there to be found. arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! I'm off for a bike ride. This is too much. -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.dvl-software.com/freebsd : my [mis]adventures To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 2 19:20:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12549 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12544 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:20:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from genisis@istar.ca) Received: from ts8-06.kin.istar.ca ([207.216.1.117] helo=genisis) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with smtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org id 0z3AEd-0003jn-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:20:28 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01bdbe85$d2dbf440$7501d8cf@genisis> From: "Dru" To: Subject: RE: What tipped the balance Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:24:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Someone asked me in private mail why I chose FreeBSD instead of another >> OS, and I thought it might make an interesting topic. Sorry to take so long to add my bit; I had to recuperate after reading David Wolfskill's two cents . I'm at the opposite end of the newbies spectrum. Never touched so much as a computer keyboard til 2 years ago when the family decided it was time to buy a PC for Xmas and join the rest of the computer generation. Hold the groans, but it was a Radio Shack special (which I'm still paying for) that was loaded with (what else) but Windows. In fact, it was Compaq's beta version of Windows, but that's another story. It didn't take me long to figure out that I had a knack for this computer stuff and I soon mastered all the Windows tips, tweaks, and Registry hacks I could get my hands on. At the time I was in a deadbeat job, so I took the plunge and decided to go back to school and networking sounded challenging. The only school in my area was offering Novell certifications, so I obtained my CNE. Then they began to offer Microsoft certifications, so I started my MCSE. Along the way, I discovered the Internet and found a greater wealth of information there. Around school, you would sometimes hear the word Unix (usually whispered in hushed, reverent tones) and how anyone who learned this strange language would achieve demigod status. I figured it was time for a Yahoo search, and guess which was the first site I encountered? Thank god for Yahoo search engines. Anyways, the word free was a good hook for a starving student; the home Web site for freebsd.org was just as intriguing. I knew I had to get my hands on this system and wrap my brain around Unix. That was in March, I finally got installed in June, and hope to have my own kernel and ppp working by the end of summer and say goodbye to Windows forever. As a side note, I'm finding it very hard to concentrate on my MCSE studies as freebsd is much more interesting; I've had to relegate freebsd time to my limited leisure time; once I graduate in September, I'll have more spare time as I'll only have to balance work and freebsd. Why the delay from March til present? I started out with Greg Lehey's Complete Freebsd but had a problem with blindly following commands when I didn't have a clue what I was doing (sort of like ordering off a menu written in Chinese; I like to know what I'm getting into beforehand). Took some time off to read Unix Unleashed to get some basic understanding of Unix commands and syntax. Armed with that and my networking knowledge and the increasing info on freebsd on the Internet, I should be ok. Well, that's it for now; hope I didn't put you all to sleep, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 2 21:31:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23384 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:31:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neptune.kt.rim.or.jp (neptune.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23379 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel@kt.rim.or.jp) Received: (from daniel@localhost) by neptune.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.4W3-rim1.1) id NAA25022; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:31:06 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:31:06 +0900 (JST) From: "Daniel M. Saito" Message-Id: <199808030431.NAA25022@neptune.kt.rim.or.jp> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Apache Documentation Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I guess I will put up a BSD Primer and proper installation documentation online my site when I get it up later this month. Daniel daniel@kt.rim.or.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 3 00:08:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08976 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:08:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyclops.xtra.co.nz (cyclops.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08956 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:08:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by cyclops.xtra.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12566 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:07:51 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199808030707.TAA12566@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:08:05 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [Why is it so hard to find information?] Reply-to: junkmale@xtra.co.nz In-reply-to: <19980802204517.25429.qmail@www0g.netaddress.usa.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2 Aug 98, at 13:45, gekk0 wrote: > Why not just use the ports collection to install Apache, DEs, etc? > 'make install' That's just what I wound up doing. -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.dvl-software.com/freebsd : my [mis]adventures To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 3 13:07:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00576 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:07:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00563 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:07:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jochen.Solbrig@urz.uni-heidelberg.de) Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06582 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:03:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aixterm8.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (fk1@aixterm8.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.48]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14984 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:03:07 +0200 Received: (from fk1@localhost) by aixterm8.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id WAA62932 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:03:01 +0200 (METDST) From: Jochen Solbrig Message-Id: <199808032003.WAA62932@aixterm8.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Subject: curious printer setup To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG (fbsd-newbies) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:03:01 +0200 (METDST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello! a few weeks ago I installed freebsd 2.2.6 on my computer. after configuring x-windows and some other programs I decided to set up my printer. I did every step the book "the complete freebsd" and the handbook explaines. I also new about /etc/printcap, lpd and lpr because I used linux for two years, but... first I set up a raw printer in /etc/printcap (just the default). nothing happened when I tried to print a file using "lpr file". I checked if the printer was connected to the pc (yes) if it was switched on (yes) and if I could print directly to the printer port (cat file > /dev/ttyd0) (yes). very funny. I tried lpq and lpc to find out what was going on. well I can't remember exactly each step I tried but finally I found out that lpd was not running. after I started it by hand I could print. I already read about the file rc.conf so I thought there must be some entry to start lpd at at boot time. nothing is mentioned about editing rc.conf to start lpd, neither in "the complete freebsd" nor in the online-handbook or the faq! ok, first problem solved. here comes the second one. I wanted to print ps-files on my deskjet. in "the complete freebsd" there are only a few lines concerning this important topic. the online handbook gives more information. Again, I could profit from my linux experience. I knew already about ghostscript and how to write filters. I wrote the following filter : #!/bin/sh gs -q -sDEVICE=cdjmono -sOutputFile=- - Then I made a spool directory and an error file to log errors. result: an error message saying something like "file: connect: not found" nothing mentioned in the man pages for lpd, lpq, lp or lpc. I also thought that there may be an incorrect path to the spool directory or the log file. then I discovered somewhere that I should use exit 0 and/or exit 2 in the filter. I also found a script for printing ps-documents on non-ps-printers in the online handbook and finally it worked. second problem solved. next, I wanted to install apsfilter. I couldn't find it as a precompiled packages, so I performed the steps for installing ports listed listed in the handbooks but every time I called make there are only some error messages complaining about a missing apsfilter.??.tar.gz. hm, I searched for the file in /cdrom/ports/distfiles but nothing was there. I even didn't find this funny file on any of the four cdroms! At first I thought cdrom.com forgot this file while mastering the cdroms. Actually I wondered why there are _two_ source directories, /cdrom/ports/distfiles and /cdrom/ports. I later found out that there are no source files in /cdrom/ports/... ??? the explanation is somewhere in the documentation. the faq (I read it _hours_ later. I know, I should have done it first) explained that for copyright reasons some files could not be distributed on cdrom. I decided that I don't need apsfilter and was happy for the last remaining 4 hours of the weekend. ciao, jochen -- god is real -- unless declared integer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 3 21:38:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27969 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27962 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:38:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from ale (pm3g-30.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.79]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08440 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:38:19 -0700 (PDT) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980803214436.0069d360@pacificnet.net> X-Sender: bear@pacificnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:44:36 -0700 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Joey Garcia Subject: Graphical Shell (my ideas) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all! The other day I was at work doing my thing, and waiting for 4:30 to come (going home time). Well, I was thinking about Unix, Graphics, and Unix GUI's. I was thinking....okay, there's a Bourne shell, C shell, Korn shell, etc. Why wasn't a graphical shell created? A Graph Shell perhaps? Sure that's what X was created for, to provide for the gaphical user interface type system. Although, I always though it was kind of awkward of a system - I mean you can start it from a shell session with `startx` or you can use the `xdm` thing at boot-up (which doesn't seem like a bad idea, although I never have tried it that way). Well, back to my "graphical shell"... You know how there's an entry in your passwd file that initiates the shell that you like when you log in...well this "graphical shell" would also be started up this way. It could be called: guish or something. So anyways...when you log in the "graphical shell" starts up and you can do your GUI stuff there. I think this graphical shell should be like X and a Window Manager combined. I was thinking something like KDE and X put into one. The biggest problem I see with this is the X servers for each video card there is. I mean...you can't have a "graphical shell" program for practically every video card on the market right? Hmmm, maybe the "shell" can start an X-like process (a child process) to provide all the graphical stuff. Anyways...so this graphical shell would provide all the window widgets and stuff like that. All the configurations would be kept in it's own directory within the users home directory. Sort of like an *rc file pretty much, but alot more than that. I like the way KDE does it, although it can use some streamlining I think. Well, I decided to post this "vision" of mine to the newbies list because I figured newbies might like GUI's. And maybe I can get some feedback to my wacky idea. Just keep in mind that I'm not a programmer (not yet at least), and I don't know the technical inner workings of Unix. Although, I'm learning....slowly. :/ heh Well, take care. Joey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 3 22:26:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02716 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:26:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from norquay.tor.shaw.wave.ca (mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca [24.64.63.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02707 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:26:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from purebeef@shaw.wave.ca) Received: from purebeef.shaw.wave.ca ([24.64.141.183]) by norquay.tor.shaw.wave.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA10019; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:27:10 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <199808032003.WAA62932@aixterm8.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 01:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: purebeef@shaw.wave.ca Organization: York Hill Foods From: Lanny Baron To: Jochen Solbrig Subject: RE: curious printer setup Cc: (fbsd-newbies) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 03-Aug-98 Jochen Solbrig wrote: > ciao, > jochen > > -- > god is real -- unless declared integer > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message i personally don't like comments to the ONE that created this world amongst others. However, take a look at apsfilter in /usr/ports/print Worked excellently for me. Lanny ----- ----- \ / \ / \ / /------\ Pure BEEF / \ | 0 0 | is \ / \ / DELICIOUS \ / \ / OO ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Lanny Baron Date: 04-Aug-98 Time: 01:20:56 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 4 02:06:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20516 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 02:06:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from email.mcmail.com (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20510 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 02:06:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rtwyman@mcmail.com) Received: from mcmail.com (asn3-7.mcmail.com [195.44.3.7]) by email.mcmail.com (9.9.9/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28556 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:05:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35C6343A.515CAAD@mcmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:05:47 +0100 From: Rick Twyman Reply-To: rtwyman@mcmail.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: All those configure files. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org O.K. I am slowly getting the hang of a number of bits and pieces. It would help if there was a guide to finding likely places that need configuring. I have got as far as recognising that anything that starts with a '.' and ends in 'rc' might be worth looking at. But for the rest? Wow! There seem to be dozens of the little blighters hidden in all sorts of places. Any simple statement of principle out there? Help! (in a small voice, of course.) Rick Twyman. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 4 06:19:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23389 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23379 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:19:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de) Received: from duffner.konstanz.netsurf.de (surf85.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.85]) by gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16279; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:19:05 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:07:02 +0200 (MESZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: RE: curious printer setup To: Lanny Baron cc: "(fbsd-newbies)" , Jochen Solbrig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue 04 Aug, Lanny Baron wrote: > i personally don't like comments to the ONE that created this world amongst > others. However, take a look at apsfilter in /usr/ports/print Usually, yes. I think, though that make'ing and install'ing apsfilter might fail for 2.2.6-release. At least, it did for me on the last 2.2.6-release install I did. So getting -stable first might not be a bad idea, too. cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 4 06:19:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23417 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23405 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de) Received: from duffner.konstanz.netsurf.de (surf85.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.85]) by gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16303; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:19:23 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:57:03 +0200 (MESZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: Graphical Shell (my ideas) To: Joey Garcia cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980803214436.0069d360@pacificnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue 04 Aug, Joey Garcia wrote: > > Hey all! > > The other day I was at work doing my thing, and waiting for 4:30 to come > (going home time). Well, I was thinking about Unix, Graphics, and Unix > GUI's. I was thinking....okay, there's a Bourne shell, C shell, Korn > shell, etc. Why wasn't a graphical shell created? A Graph Shell perhaps? CDE -Common Desktop Environment (Commercial, Motif-based, resource-hog) It provides access to the 54 most often used Unix-commands via a GUI. It's not that bad - you can do some pretty nice things and it is rather nicely laid out - if you have a reasonably new Workstation and reasonably much memory (>>64MB...). (That didn't stop the people here from installing it on 7 year old HP-UX 'Workstations' with 32MB RAM, together with HP-UX10.20) IMO, a shell is a shell and a GUI is a GUI. You can't have both in one ('two in one') 'thingy'. I am writing this on a computer that has the best and fastest GUI on planet ever - but the OS doesn't have a (real, powerful) shell (and some other - for today's users almost unbelievable - constraints that make it really difficult to use in certain occasions). --I like it nevertheless as it is very productive. Free Unix has had enough attempts for nifty 'Window-Managers', that accumulated many features, much functionality and clever tricks. But what-ever window-manger you write and however clever the GUI you create is: it is useless without the support of a huge number of applications specifically written for this specific window-manager. Instead of writing the fifteenth clone to fvwm, people had better started on _real_ problems. As of now, KDE seems to cure some of the shortcomings and ommitions of 5 years free Unix development (at last). cheers, Rainer [partly inspired by JKH's 'freshmeat' editorial recently....] -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 4 08:08:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15924 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (info1.info.tampere.fi [212.63.6.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15918 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:08:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (pc038.soitto.info.tampere.fi [212.63.8.38]) by info1.info.tampere.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA18565 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:08:22 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <35C7248B.FD21CF9@info1.info.tampere.fi> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 18:11:07 +0300 From: "Jukka Similä" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2.6 - rel - bugs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, i'm back Connection at last, the misery is over. - a lightning hit too close 4 weeks ago and my modem broke, i just got a new one. (the modem that was broken was 4 weeks old - my typical luck) My friend just gave me the 2.2.6 - four-cd-pack(he's got plenty of them) i tried to install it, but it didn't like my cdrom, it is matsushita 5.63 2 speed. it gave error number 5(input/output) - oh, yeah, The Error Number Five, of course, i just love when any installing programs explain the errors so clearly.. well, i tried to upgrade from 2.2.5, cdrom worked fine with it. Now my previous installation is totally dead, after few rounds with installation. Well, I'm about to buy a new cdrom so i'll install fbsd then . but is this a known problem with 2.2.6 or do i have a dud cd? Jukka To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 4 11:26:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00865 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:26:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nd2.san.rr.com (dt053nd2.san.rr.com [204.210.34.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00755 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:26:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nd2.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05088; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:25:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <35C75217.48DB485@dal.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:25:27 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0507 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rtwyman@mcmail.com CC: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: All those configure files. References: <35C6343A.515CAAD@mcmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rick Twyman wrote: > > O.K. I am slowly getting the hang of a number of bits and pieces. > > It would help if there was a guide to finding likely places that need > configuring. > I have got as far as recognising that anything that starts with a '.' > and ends in 'rc' might be worth looking at. > But for the rest? Wow! There seem to be dozens of the little blighters > hidden in all sorts of places. Welcome to unix. :) The most important system configuration files are placed by default in /etc and /usr/local/etc. Beyond that, poking around in the system, reading the documentation (including man pages) and asking questions when you get stuck on something specific is the way to go. At first it does seem that there are files scattered all over the place, however after a while you will find the hang of it. You might want to try reading 'man hier' as a start on where things go and why. Good luck, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** When you don't know where you're going, every road will take you there. - Yiddish Proverb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 5 08:10:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29080 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:10:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (info1.info.tampere.fi [212.63.6.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28862 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:09:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lmkjuksi@info1.info.tampere.fi) Received: from info1.info.tampere.fi (pc093.soitto.info.tampere.fi [212.63.8.93]) by info1.info.tampere.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA11016 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:09:37 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <35C8765C.407A3FC0@info1.info.tampere.fi> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:12:28 +0300 From: "Jukka Similä" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: rewrited 2.2.6 problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hiagain Gosh when I read my own message my eyes were about to run fast and far away.. i couldn't understand it myself before i read it third time. But it was because of 8 hours of physical work. God it's hard. Thank God I'm gonna be a scumback that just nibbles with his computer all day long. And all night even longer. Anyway If some of you wants a nicer version of the same problem(I don't care if u didn't want), here it comes: I tried to upgrade my 2.2.5-REL to 2.2.6-REL with a 'brand new' 2.2.6 four cd pack. everything went fine until the installation program started to install /bin files. Installation program just told me something like this: "Error 5:(Input/Output)" - I can't just now remember the exact phrase. Then I tried to install everything from bottom to top, with same error message. Then I tried to install with 2.2.5's bootdisk and 2.2.6's cd's. - the previous installation was gone anyway, and I GOT "PROPER BACKUPS"! - thank god. (Okay, I didn't remember to backup /etc but I can live with that... and I have to live with that.. besides it's important to re-study :). Well, with 2.2.5's bootdisk it almost installed the whole thing - except when it started to extract files to their right places it said: Error 11 - If you can regenerate this problem please do it blaa blaa blaa... It maybe was an interesting problem to someone programming freebsd, but i thought that because i created the problem myself maybe it wasn't so important, and I really had enough problems without regenerating this one. Then I called my friend that gave me this 2.2.6 packet and he supposed it could be a broken cdrom disk, but he wasn't so sure because it was an unopened packet. Personally I think it can be anything but my best guess is somekind of problem with Matsushita 5.63 cdrom device. What do you think, was this letter easier to read (and understand) than the previous? Oh, and about my modemproblems, well, that's an other story, maybe I'll write it someday. Jukka Similä To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 5 08:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04055 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from setup.com.ar ([200.5.103.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA04047 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:39:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soporte@setup.com.ar) Received: from setup-Message_Server by setup.com.ar with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:38:47 -0300 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:33:24 -0300 From: Maximiliano Eschoyez To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Midnight Commander - Thanxs God!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA04051 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Newbies: Yesterday I red the e-mails with the subject 'Midnight Commander'. So, then I installed it. It makes me feel at home; Why? When I started in PC's world I used to use Norton Commander, then I learnt how to use the DOS shell (wierd, no :-) ) Lot of keys have the same meaning, so, if you know how to use NC is easy to use MC. Now I like to type commands, especially if they make me mix different actions ( using logical connectors i.e. ) I like MC very much, but I'm trying to learn how to prompt 'cause lot of Unix & *nix don't have it installed. Question: between Un*x and *nix exists a difference or it depends on the 'costumer' habits? --->Learning to learn; just training the brain<--- Sometimes Free software is better than commercial Free-BSD - The power to Serve Email address in the list: meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar Atentamente: Maximiliano Eschoyez SETUP Av. Caraffa 2597 (5008) Córdoba Tel/Fax +54 51 80-0888 E-Mail: soporte@setup.com.ar http://www.automusica.com.ar/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 5 13:46:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21641 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:46:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21614 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@montenegro.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA11405 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:45:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(206.175.42.2) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011245; Wed Aug 5 15:45:22 1998 Message-ID: <00cf01bdc0b2$426d1a40$27caae10@obradoa.fnic> From: "Aleksandar Obradovic" To: Subject: ppp through AOL Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:46:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is it possible to set up ppp dialup connection for America On Line? (I am just interested for a web access, and I'd like to use an existing account). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 5 14:41:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28625 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from f434.n5020.z2.fidonet.org (gw2.mtelecom.ru [195.90.159.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28588 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seva@mtelecom.ru) From: seva@mtelecom.ru Received: from p1.f434.n5020.z2.fidonet.org (p1 [192.168.4.37]) by f434.n5020.z2.fidonet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25687 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:30:11 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from seva@mtelecom.ru) Received: from localhost (seva@localhost) by p1.f434.n5020.z2.fidonet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA05506 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:36:49 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from seva@mtelecom.ru) X-Authentication-Warning: p1.f434.n5020.z2.fidonet.org: seva owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:36:49 +0400 (MSD) X-Sender: seva@p1 Reply-To: seva@mtelecom.ru To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: examples lkm: what differences between the misc and syscall? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 5 20:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20435 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA20427 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:57:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cometman_98@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980806035644.7981.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [153.36.94.90] by send1b; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:56:44 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Bailey Subject: Re: Graphical Shell (my ideas) To: Joey Garcia , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ---Joey Garcia wrote: I was thinking....okay, there's a Bourne shell, C shell, Korn > shell, etc. Why wasn't a graphical shell created? A Graph Shell perhaps? Sounds like a good idea to me. Or at least worth a debate. Here's my inner monologue. Please realize that my progress is super slow ("permanent newbie") & my attainment very minimal, so my conclusions are subject to change. Against: Because I couldn't do anything, I have been learning all kinds of stuff about operating systems and programming. One day I might even make some money doing it (recouping the investment) If it were easy to use I would probably just be using applications programs on the GUI shell. For: It would be nice to not have to know everything before you can do anything. I am still messing with getting ppp set-up digression (I can access the modem & make it dial: that took about a year. (thank goodness for the day job) I can call the ISP and login. Once I even got a response that seemed to indicate ppp was working. But then, are you supposed to be able to fire up Lynx on another terminal? I tried and Lynx didn't seem to know there was an internet connection open. The FAQs and the Handbook and the man all kind of stop when ppp is connected, so it must be obvious to most people.) end digression and although I got X to work there are a million things to set up and frankly I'm daunted. I'm going to work through my reference books using the command line & vi, but it seems sometimes like a honking great shame that there isn't something as easy as W95 setup wizard and "dial-up networking" to get the pretty pictures & follow the mailing lists using FreeBSD instead of Windows95. Conclusion: At this stage, I have invested so much in books and classes that I am going to plug away at my own slow speed until I get everything working. Then I will write things like GUI shells for my own use & put them on my web site (when I have a web site) for anybody to use. I would have downloaded a FreeBSD "dial-up networking" a la W95 a year ago. Now I have a need to figure it out myself. A command line and lynx still have a lot to teach me. (Finally got lynx able to browse the /usr/share/doc stuff & it feels good. It will feel even better when I can post without using W95) Peace, Michael Lee Bailey _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 6 12:24:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07464 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:24:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from emi.net (emi.net [208.10.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07366 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:24:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from SteveFriedrich@Hot-Shot.com) Received: from nt (tc1-42.emi.net [208.10.129.58]) by emi.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09509; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:02:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199808061902.PAA09509@emi.net> From: "Steve Friedrich" To: "Michael Bailey" Cc: "newbies@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 15:24:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Steve Friedrich" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.00.1500) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PPP: what next??? Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:56:44 -0700 (PDT), Michael Bailey wrote: >digression (I can access the modem & make it >dial: that took about a year. (thank goodness for the day job) I can >call the ISP and login. Once I even got a response that seemed to >indicate ppp was working. But then, are you supposed to be able to >fire up Lynx on another terminal? I tried and Lynx didn't seem to >know there was an internet connection open. The FAQs and the Handbook >and the man all kind of stop when ppp is connected, so it must be >obvious to most people.) >end digression After you have established a PPP connection, your PPP prompt will change from a lowercase ppp to uppercase PPP, if you're using it interactively. If you invoked it in auto mode "ppp -auto ISP" where ISP is the label you used in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf, you won't see that prompt. In either case, go to another virtual terminal (Alt-Fn, usually F1,F2, or F3) and try to ping a host, such as 204.146.15.5 If the ping packets come back, then you have in fact established a connection to the Internet thru your ISP. If not, then we need to troubleshoot your ppp config files. After successfully ping a host on the Internet with an IP address, try to use a hostname, such as www.ibm.net If it comes back saying it doesn't know who www.ibm.net is, you need to add a nameserver entry to /etc/resolv.conf (this is the FreeBSD filename, other operating systems use similiar names). Ask your ISP what nameserver you should use when connected to them. Any more questions ?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 6 18:52:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28981 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:52:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from infobahn.ibahn.net (infobahn.ibahn.net [207.19.254.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28623 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:51:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spud@ibahn.net) Received: from backup (backup.ibahn.net [207.19.254.5]) by infobahn.ibahn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA15121 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:51:06 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980807095110.0077af44@admin.ibahn.net> X-Sender: spud@admin.ibahn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:51:10 +0800 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Raul Ocampo Subject: Telnet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello, I'm a new user to FreeBsd. I'm trying to telnet from my FreeBsd box to a linux box, it does not seem to work whenever i'm in text mode. But when I'm in X it works. What is the problem here ? Any help would be appreciated. BTW Are there any HOWTO documents available on the net. Thanks. Raul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 6 19:17:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03707 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03688; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01044; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:16:34 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980807121630.14329@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:16:30 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Raul Ocampo Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Telnet References: <3.0.3.32.19980807095110.0077af44@admin.ibahn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980807095110.0077af44@admin.ibahn.net>; from Raul Ocampo on Fri, Aug 07, 1998 at 09:51:10AM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 07, 1998 at 09:51:10AM +0800, Raul Ocampo wrote: > > hello, > > I'm a new user to FreeBsd. > I'm trying to telnet from my FreeBsd box to > a linux box, it does not seem to work whenever i'm in > text mode. But when I'm in X it works. > What is the problem here ? > > Any help would be appreciated. I'm forwarding this to freebsd-questions where you'll get a "right" answer, and adding info about my newbie workaround :-) I simply installed the screen package, and run 'screen' before 'telnet linux.host.name'. It is easy and works very well. No doubt others will offer more technical solutions which you could try too. > BTW Are there any HOWTO documents available on the net. A good place to start is the FreeBSD web site, especially http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html It points to most of the documentation, tutorials, etc. If you can't find the answers you're looking for from there, come back and ask freebsd-questions. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 7 16:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16069 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:08:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-q1.pcmagic.net (mail-q1.pcmagic.net [206.117.211.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA16051 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:08:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louis@pcmagic.net) From: louis@pcmagic.net Received: (qmail 11854 invoked by uid 3301); 7 Aug 1998 16:08:15 -0700 Received: from mail.pcmagic.net (206.117.211.6) by mail-q1.pcmagic.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 1998 16:08:15 -0700 Received: from louis ([207.151.70.122]) by mail.pcmagic.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA190 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:08:13 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980807160800.006dabf4@mail.pcmagic.net> X-Sender: louis@mail.pcmagic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:08:00 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 7 19:30:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15689 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15677 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:30:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06448 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199808080230.MAA06448@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 18 July 1998) This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies. We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 8 12:16:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14966 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14908 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id PAA06441; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Dusk Auriel Sykotik cc: Charlie Root , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A CRAZY idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Dusk Auriel Sykotik wrote: TAKEN OFF CURRENT WHERE IT DOESNT BELONG > lol. > A quick question... Why would we need linux binaries to run? Just get the > source and compile it yourself on FreeBSD. Anything that won't compile... > well, thats why so many people learn to code :) And just how do you compile things like star office? or Oracle database for linux? Or applixware? :-) Thats a tad difficult with no source. Dont you think :-) Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 8 14:19:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26376 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:19:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26364; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08553; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:19:02 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980809071859.00153@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:18:59 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Open Systems Networking Cc: Dusk Auriel Sykotik , Charlie Root , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A CRAZY idea References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Sat, Aug 08, 1998 at 03:13:12PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 08, 1998 at 03:13:12PM -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > > TAKEN OFF CURRENT WHERE IT DOESNT BELONG Hey! Who opened that door? We're trying to study in peace here. Please don't attempt to insult us by throwing your brawls at -newbies! We don't want to know about it, and we're learning that we don't have to. Take your petty bickering to -chat, or better, kiss and make up. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 8 14:29:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27201 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27194 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08602 for newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:28:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08589 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:25:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id RAA22705; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:24:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Sue Blake cc: Dusk Auriel Sykotik , Charlie Root , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A CRAZY idea In-Reply-To: <19980809071859.00153@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > Take your petty bickering to -chat, or better, kiss and make up. Your right sue i should have thrown it to -chat, again acting before thinking. My apologies to -newbies. Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 8 16:53:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10083 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10078 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA15080; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CCE62A.BF579D3D@milkyway.org> Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:58:34 -0400 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A CRAZY idea References: <19980809071859.00153@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't hold back Sue. Tell 'em what you really think! Sue Blake wrote: > On Sat, Aug 08, 1998 at 03:13:12PM -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: > > > > TAKEN OFF CURRENT WHERE IT DOESNT BELONG > > Hey! Who opened that door? We're trying to study in peace here. > > Please don't attempt to insult us by throwing your brawls at -newbies! > We don't want to know about it, and we're learning that we don't have to. > > Take your petty bickering to -chat, or better, kiss and make up. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message