From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 22 09:02:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21539 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:02:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from castle.domain (ppp19.pm1.usu.edu [129.123.249.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21533 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:02:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sl5lh@cc.usu.edu) Received: from cc.usu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castle.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00332 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:02:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sl5lh@cc.usu.edu) Message-ID: <3658439D.ED94A763@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:02:21 -0700 From: Zane Paul Westover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WindowMaker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. I am currently running FreeBSD 2.2.6 with the upgrade package to 2.2.7 I am interested in running WindowMaker on my machine. I have downloaded 0.14.0 which is the latest version that has been made into a package for FreeBSD. When I try to start it under xserver, it cannot find libPropList.so.0.7 and will not run. Have any of you used WindowMaker on FreeBSD? Do you have a more current package or at least know where I can get this library file? Thanks Zane Paul Westover To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 22 09:43:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25504 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:43:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peanut.readington.com (peanut.readington.com [207.207.198.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25499 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:43:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chrismar@peanut.readington.com) Received: from localhost (chrismar@localhost) by peanut.readington.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA21114; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:40:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chrismar@peanut.readington.com) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:40:19 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Martino To: Zane Paul Westover cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WindowMaker In-Reply-To: <3658439D.ED94A763@cc.usu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You should probably head on over to www.windowmaker.org. I know that Window Maker 0.20.2 compiles straight out of the box for FreeBSD 2.2.6, and it should do the same for 2.2.7. Once you get it just read the INSTALL file and yer all set. Chris -- Chris Martino chrismar@readington.com On Sun, 22 Nov 1998, Zane Paul Westover wrote: > Hello. I am currently running FreeBSD 2.2.6 with the upgrade package to > 2.2.7 I am interested in > running WindowMaker on my machine. I have downloaded 0.14.0 which is > the latest version that > has been made into a package for FreeBSD. When I try to start it under > xserver, it cannot find > libPropList.so.0.7 and will not run. > Have any of you used WindowMaker on FreeBSD? Do you have a more current > package or at least > know where I can get this library file? > Thanks > Zane Paul Westover > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 22 11:30:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04835 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:30:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet.chipweb.ml.org (c1003518-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.1.82.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04821 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:30:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ludwigp@bigfoot.com) Message-Id: <199811221930.LAA04821@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (qmail 10573 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1998 19:29:38 -0000 Received: from speedy.chipweb.ml.org (172.16.1.1) by inet.chipweb.ml.org with SMTP; 22 Nov 1998 19:29:38 -0000 X-Sender: ludwigp2@mail-r X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:18:38 -0800 To: Rainer M Duffner , Paul From: Ludwig Pummer Subject: Re: Find and an editor Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <006801be1457$5732f460$0a00000a@pdc.frmt1.sfba.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:43 PM 11/21/98 +0100, Rainer M Duffner wrote: >On Fri 20 Nov, Paul wrote: >man find >will produce lots of text, which you'll only need at some point in the >future. >Basically, it goes like this: >find / -name file_name -print >will search the complete tree. This will take some time, depending on >the amount of source you have laing around, it will take some minutes >even with a fast SCSI-disk. > >find . -name file_name -print >will search from the current directory downward. > >find /usr/local -name file_name -print >will search /usr/local only. > >You can play with the size/age things later. and if your system has run the /etc/weekly script (normally every Saturday morning at 3:30am), then any files on your filesystem(s) will be listed in the locate database, so you can just do locate file_name and it's much faster than find. --Ludwig Pummer ( ludwigp@bigfoot.com ) ICQ UIN: 692441 ( ludwigp@email.com ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 22 14:25:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19764 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:25:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19758 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:25:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crg1@erols.com) Received: from dick (207-172-112-189.s189.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.189]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA12359 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:24:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811222224.RAA12359@smtp3.erols.com> X-Sender: crg1@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:20:12 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dick Griffin Subject: How to use FBSD for ISP access Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org
I'm REALly new at this FreeBSD stuff, so bear with me please,

I want to use my newly installed FBSD  2.2.6 to access my new ISP service.  I've successfully installed, and now have X running.

What should I do to

a) make the system dial out while I am in X windows, and log into my ISP

b) what files do I need to adjust?

c) Where can I find easy-to-understand instruction on how to proceed?

Thanks

dg
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 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 22 15:24:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24930 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:24:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24917 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:24:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gekk0@USA.NET) From: gekk0@USA.NET Received: from hellhole (ppp-207-214-212-24.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.212.24]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id PAA26815; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:23:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981122010721.00693cf8@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: gekk0@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:07:21 -0800 To: Dick Griffin Subject: Re: How to use FBSD for ISP access Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199811222224.RAA12359@smtp3.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Check out http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook213.html#505 for information on setting up ppp. Make sure your /etc/resolv.conf is set up properly. btw...it looks like they have a new web page design on www.freebsd.org At 05:20 PM 11/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >I'm REALly new at this FreeBSD stuff, so bear with me please, > I've successfully installed, and now have X running. > What should I do to > a) make the system dial out while I am in X windows, and log into my ISP > b) what files do I need to adjust? > c) Where can I find easy-to-understand instruction on how to proceed? > Thanks > dg > Dick Griffin > > I AM CHANGING MY EMAIL ADDRESS FROM EROLS. > >"" TO > > CRG1@NETKONNECT.NET. > > Thanks > > - At Home in Arlington VA, 703-685-0032 > - At Work in Washington DC 202-260-4079 > >"" >"" >"" > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe >freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ------------- gekk0@usa.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 22 19:23:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17008 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:23:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from s3000-01.magna.com.au (s3000-01.magna.com.au [203.4.212.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17002 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:23:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgreen@rainbow.net.au) Received: from pc005 (saccess-08-164.magna.com.au [203.111.73.164]) by s3000-01.magna.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Magna Data/1.2) with SMTP id OAA00751 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:23:13 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <01ae01be1690$ccfeb9a0$0500a8c0@pc005> From: "Richard Green" To: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: NEWBIE: Boot problems Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:24:35 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've installed FreeBSD on the following config: Pentiun AMI mb, IDE controllers turned off in BIOS & noe IDE devices connected One Adaptec 1540CF for CD-ROM and DDS drive (ISA) (BIOS off in firmware) One Adaptec 2940UWn for the single disk Wide SCSI disk drive Upon booting the 1540 is detected 1st. When I installed I selected the auto options for both the disk slice editor and the partitiong sheme. On different install attempts I select to use (a) the boot manager (default) and (b) no boot manager (boot directly). Upon the 1st reboot I find that in the caseof (a) I get the message F1 FreeBSD F1 Default and upon preesing F1 I amreturned the prompt F? Upon case (b) above, I simeply get the message 'operating system missing' I tried booting from floppy to and took what I thought was the likely SCSI disck to manually select to boot from at the 'boot: prompt, which I think is 0:sd(0,a), which then says can't find the drive and returns to the boot prompt (then the boot prompt and messages start to loop every few seconds unless something is typed at the boot: prompt - is this normal?) If I try 1:sd(0,a) 0x81 C:0 H:0 S:0) etc. I have tried various other combinations, and using the ? option to seeif I can get a list of files at least, to no avail. Questions: 1. What is my boot device? How could I work this out? 2. How can I correct my system having booted (its using the direct boot method currently) so I can boot from the hard disk? Thanks & regards Richard Green To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 22 20:38:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23828 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:38:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23821 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: from direct-source.com.direct-source.com (ppp120.pm3-0.pdx.dsinw.com [207.149.41.120]) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23453; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:33:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:30:47 -0800 () From: Rick Hamell To: Richard Green cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NEWBIE: Boot problems In-Reply-To: <01ae01be1690$ccfeb9a0$0500a8c0@pc005> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: hamellr@dsinw.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 2. How can I correct my system having booted (its using the direct boot > method currently) so I can boot from the hard disk? Since you've got the software installed, try pulling the 1542 card out, it may be confusing things. :( Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 22 23:08:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06575 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:08:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from s3000-01.magna.com.au (s3000-01.magna.com.au [203.4.212.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06539 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:08:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgreen@rainbow.net.au) Received: from pc005 (saccess-06-195.magna.com.au [203.111.72.195]) by s3000-01.magna.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Magna Data/1.2) with SMTP id SAA23115; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:07:20 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <030a01be16b0$1b434080$0500a8c0@pc005> From: "Richard Green" To: "Rick Hamell" , Subject: Re: NEWBIE: Boot problems Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:08:41 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for your reply... I tried using the dip switches to switch off the 1540CF BIOS, then I tried removing the card altogether, and still I get 'missing operating system'. Is it possible that my hardware config caused so issue during the set-up stage? I have worked out which device to specify - 0:sd(0,a) when using the boot floppy, and more importantly, how to spell kernal [sic] correctly ;) to tell the system which is the kernel file. Whatever cuaed the problem, now I can boot from floppy, the next stage is how do I change the system so the disk boot sector is correct and will boot easily without using a floppy... I'd imaging this would involve rewriting the mbr in some manner. I'm sure the mbr is being read from my SCSI disk upon boot, since with different install attempts, i tried using the boot loader program (1st attempt) and using the direct booting. Upon booting the 1st config I got the boot loader messages, on the second, I simply get 'operating system missing'. Thanks & regards Richard Green Repeated info on my hardware config follows: > Pentiun AMI mb, IDE controllers turned off in BIOS & noe IDE devices connected > One Adaptec 1540CF for CD-ROM and DDS drive (ISA) (BIOS off in firmware) > One Adaptec 2940UWn for the single disk Wide SCSI disk drive > > Upon booting the 1540 is detected 1st (when BIOS enabled). > > When I installed I selected the auto options for both the disk slice editor > and the partitiong sheme. On different install attempts I select to use (a) > the boot manager (default) and (b) no boot manager (boot directly). > > Upon the 1st reboot I find that in the caseof (a) I get the message > > F1 FreeBSD > F1 Default > > and upon preesing F1 I amreturned the prompt > > F? > > Upon case (b) above, I simeply get the message 'operating system missing' -----Original Message----- From: Rick Hamell To: Richard Green Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Monday, 23 November 1998 3:37 Subject: Re: NEWBIE: Boot problems > >> 2. How can I correct my system having booted (its using the direct boot >> method currently) so I can boot from the hard disk? > > Since you've got the software installed, try pulling the 1542 card >out, it may be confusing things. > > > > Rick > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 22 23:12:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07192 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mhs.mhs.rosmail.com (mhs.rosmail.com [195.90.130.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA07180 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:12:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 0824@08700000.mhs.rosmail.com) Received: from NetWare MHS (SMF70) by mhs.mhs.rosmail.com via Connect2-SMTP 4.32.03; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:11:36 +0300 Message-ID: <1B1BD2D781F0D57E%1B1BD2D781F0D57E@mhs.mhs.rosmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 9:58:15 +0300 From: Vladislav SAFRONOV <0824@08700000.mhs.rosmail.com> Organization: Rosnet To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD .. what's the difference?? X-SMF-Hop-Count: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="KOI8-R" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.32.03 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Would you explain what's the difference between these OSes? Are they all free? Which is the best? Vlad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 23 00:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15328 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:38:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15315; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:38:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.25.95]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13483; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:37:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36591E7A.3415BCD4@seattleu.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:36:10 -0800 From: Eric Hodel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Green CC: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NEWBIE: Boot problems References: <030a01be16b0$1b434080$0500a8c0@pc005> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm forwarding this to questions because they'll best be able to help, but you may need to specify 0:da(0,a)kernel instead of 0:sd(0,a)kernel. Of course I very very very highly doubt that this is the case, as the BIOS is unable to find the boot code. Is the partition with FreeBSD set active? Usually, when you get a "missing OS" error the bios is trying to find a bootable portion of the HDD, and can't. Its been so long since I've been playing with a system that said "missing OS" that I can't remember what causes it, but you may want to check active partitions and find just which device is supposed to be used with the 2940. I highly doubt that it is da0, as it can find that with the floppy, in fact, forget I said that, use it last. Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu Richard Green wrote: > > Thanks for your reply... I tried using the dip switches to switch off the > 1540CF BIOS, then I tried removing the card altogether, and still I get > 'missing operating system'. Is it possible that my hardware config caused so > issue during the set-up stage? > > I have worked out which device to specify - 0:sd(0,a) when using the boot > floppy, and more importantly, how to spell kernal [sic] correctly ;) to tell > the system which is the kernel file. > > Whatever cuaed the problem, now I can boot from floppy, the next stage is > how do I change the system so the disk boot sector is correct and will boot > easily without using a floppy... I'd imaging this would involve rewriting > the mbr in some manner. > > I'm sure the mbr is being read from my SCSI disk upon boot, since with > different install attempts, i tried using the boot loader program (1st > attempt) and using the direct booting. Upon booting the 1st config I got the > boot loader messages, on the second, I simply get 'operating system > missing'. > > Thanks & regards > > Richard Green > > Repeated info on my hardware config follows: > > > Pentiun AMI mb, IDE controllers turned off in BIOS & noe IDE devices > connected > > One Adaptec 1540CF for CD-ROM and DDS drive (ISA) (BIOS off in firmware) > > One Adaptec 2940UWn for the single disk Wide SCSI disk drive > > > > Upon booting the 1540 is detected 1st (when BIOS enabled). > > > > When I installed I selected the auto options for both the disk slice > editor > > and the partitiong sheme. On different install attempts I select to use > (a) > > the boot manager (default) and (b) no boot manager (boot directly). > > > > Upon the 1st reboot I find that in the caseof (a) I get the message > > > > F1 FreeBSD > > F1 Default > > > > and upon preesing F1 I amreturned the prompt > > > > F? > > > > Upon case (b) above, I simeply get the message 'operating system missing' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Hamell > To: Richard Green > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Monday, 23 November 1998 3:37 > Subject: Re: NEWBIE: Boot problems > > > > >> 2. How can I correct my system having booted (its using the direct boot > >> method currently) so I can boot from the hard disk? > > > > Since you've got the software installed, try pulling the 1542 card > >out, it may be confusing things. > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 23 01:55:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23195 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 01:55:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA23190 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 01:55:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mhenry@white.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au) Message-Id: <199811230955.BAA23190@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: NEWBIE: Boot problems To: rgreen@rainbow.net.au (Richard Green) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:54:25 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <030a01be16b0$1b434080$0500a8c0@pc005> from "Richard Green" at Nov 23, 98 06:08:41 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could you please continue this thread on -questions or another more suitable forum. Thanks. > > Thanks for your reply... I tried using the dip switches to switch off the > 1540CF BIOS, then I tried removing the card altogether, and still I get > 'missing operating system'. Is it possible that my hardware config caused so > issue during the set-up stage? > > I have worked out which device to specify - 0:sd(0,a) when using the boot > floppy, and more importantly, how to spell kernal [sic] correctly ;) to tell > the system which is the kernel file. > > Whatever cuaed the problem, now I can boot from floppy, the next stage is > how do I change the system so the disk boot sector is correct and will boot > easily without using a floppy... I'd imaging this would involve rewriting > the mbr in some manner. > > I'm sure the mbr is being read from my SCSI disk upon boot, since with > different install attempts, i tried using the boot loader program (1st > attempt) and using the direct booting. Upon booting the 1st config I got the > boot loader messages, on the second, I simply get 'operating system > missing'. > > Thanks & regards > > Richard Green > > Repeated info on my hardware config follows: > > > Pentiun AMI mb, IDE controllers turned off in BIOS & noe IDE devices > connected > > One Adaptec 1540CF for CD-ROM and DDS drive (ISA) (BIOS off in firmware) > > One Adaptec 2940UWn for the single disk Wide SCSI disk drive > > > > Upon booting the 1540 is detected 1st (when BIOS enabled). > > > > When I installed I selected the auto options for both the disk slice > editor > > and the partitiong sheme. On different install attempts I select to use > (a) > > the boot manager (default) and (b) no boot manager (boot directly). > > > > Upon the 1st reboot I find that in the caseof (a) I get the message > > > > F1 FreeBSD > > F1 Default > > > > and upon preesing F1 I amreturned the prompt > > > > F? > > > > Upon case (b) above, I simeply get the message 'operating system missing' > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Hamell > To: Richard Green > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Monday, 23 November 1998 3:37 > Subject: Re: NEWBIE: Boot problems > > > > > >> 2. How can I correct my system having booted (its using the direct boot > >> method currently) so I can boot from the hard disk? > > > > Since you've got the software installed, try pulling the 1542 card > >out, it may be confusing things. > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 23 02:15:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25216 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:15:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA25208 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:15:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mhenry@white.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au) Message-Id: <199811231015.CAA25208@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD .. what's the difference?? To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:15:16 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" In-Reply-To: <1B1BD2D781F0D57E%1B1BD2D781F0D57E@mhs.mhs.rosmail.com> from "Vladislav SAFRONOV" at Nov 23, 98 09:58:15 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Would you explain what's the difference between these OSes? As I understand it, the main difference between these OSs is their focus. The NetBSD team focuses on making a PORTABLE Operating System. That is, an operating system that will work on many different platforms. (ie Intel, PowerPC, Alpha). The OpenBSD team, which split from the NetBSD team, focuses on making a SECURE Operating System. The FreeBSD team focuses on making the BEST Operating System! Oh. Sorry. The FreeBSD team does not have a single focus, from what I observe. I guess they try to make a usable, STABLE Operating System. > Are they all free? Yes. > Which is the best? This question will bring many answers (depending on the open-mindedness of who you ask) and the most common anser you will recieve is "Try them and find out". I have only ever run FreeBSD, so I can't say. Cover-my-ass-statement: I take no responsibility for what I say. If I have made any errors, feel free to correct me. > > Vlad. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 23 02:18:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25546 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:18:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dimoni.upc.es (dimoni.upc.es [147.83.2.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25393 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 02:17:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sergi@si.ct.upc.es) Received: from selene.upc.es (selene.upc.es [147.83.83.65]) by dimoni.upc.es (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24585 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:17:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from si.ct.upc.es (TR-BEAN.upc.es [147.83.83.72]) by selene.upc.es (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01869 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:17:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <365934F1.DB1ABC47@si.ct.upc.es> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:12:01 +0100 From: Sergi Sales Llop Organization: UPC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ca,es,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth cffcc2d0 unsubscribe freebsd-newbies sergi@si.ct.upc.es To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 23 10:02:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13305 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:02:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from b.mx.crl.com (bmx.crl.com [165.113.1.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13295 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:02:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by b.mx.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id KAA04241 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:02:20 -0800 (PST) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:02:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Manes To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD .. what's the difference?? In-Reply-To: <199811231015.CAA25208@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What michael said is basicly what I understand, too. The best depends on what your usage is. I've heard that for networks, freebsd is best as an ftp/web/user server, openbsd as a firewall, and netbsd for odd hardware. I think all outperform Linux, just each greatly in different ways. FreeBSD is also bent on ease of use, so its probably the best for a personal desktop too. You can read the mission statements from each on their websites. I believe FreeBSD's is in its handbook.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 24 16:12:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28104 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:12:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luvewe.ops.us.eglobe.com (luvewe.ops.us.eglobe.com [198.93.57.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28089 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:12:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from slayer@luvewe.ops.us.eglobe.com) Received: (qmail 5580 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Nov 1998 00:12:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:12:29 -0700 (MST) From: Graey To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: um, hi Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I hope this is the right list. I'm trying to install freebsd 2.2.6 on a second harddrive (the first one has windows 95) and am having some difficulties, the biggest of which is I can't seem to boot into bsd. I can either boot into windows normally or boot into the install/configure setup with the bsd install boot disk. I'd like to be able to type in something like 1> windows 2> freebsd or use a floppy to get into bsd. Do I just use the install boot disk and use some certain options? If that's the case, what options, b/c I think I've tried them all. - Graey ----------------------------- | slayer@luvewe.eglobe.com | | luvewe.eglobe.com/~slayer | ----------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 27 14:32:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01154 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:29:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from legend.idworld.net (legend.idworld.net [209.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01146 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:29:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john01@idworld.net) Received: from idworld.net (dnas-02-31.sat.idworld.net [209.142.68.193]) by legend.idworld.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA07305 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:29:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <365F2791.7C54C211@idworld.net> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:28:34 -0600 From: John Garcia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: newbies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just want to say hello, I am new to FreeBSD( I was running Linux for a long time) and would like to help out with anything. If there is anything that newbies like myself can do to help spread the word about FreeBSD or perhaps assist other newbies with problems, just ask. John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 27 17:30:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18677 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18652 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:30:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA14020 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:30:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:30:16 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199811280130.MAA14020@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 28 02:54:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00521 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 02:54:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00490 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 02:54:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA01754; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:11:10 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id VAA08669; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:11:08 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981128211107.C6182@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:11:07 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Michael Henry , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD .. what's the difference?? References: <1B1BD2D781F0D57E%1B1BD2D781F0D57E@mhs.mhs.rosmail.com> <199811231015.CAA25208@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199811231015.CAA25208@hub.freebsd.org>; from Michael Henry on Mon, Nov 23, 1998 at 09:15:16PM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 23 November 1998 at 21:15:16 +1000, Michael Henry wrote: >> Would you explain what's the difference between these OSes? > > As I understand it, the main difference between these OSs is their focus. > > The NetBSD team focuses on making a PORTABLE Operating System. That is, > an operating system that will work on many different platforms. (ie Intel, > PowerPC, Alpha). > > The OpenBSD team, which split from the NetBSD team, focuses on making a > SECURE Operating System. > > The FreeBSD team focuses on making the BEST Operating System! > > Oh. Sorry. The FreeBSD team does not have a single focus, from what I > observe. I guess they try to make a usable, STABLE Operating System. > >> Are they all free? > > Yes. > >> Which is the best? > > This question will bring many answers (depending on the open-mindedness > of who you ask) and the most common anser you will recieve is > "Try them and find out". > > I have only ever run FreeBSD, so I can't say. > > Cover-my-ass-statement: > > I take no responsibility for what I say. If I have made any errors, > feel free to correct me. I'm currently trying to get the three advocacy groups (FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, NetBSD-advocacy@NetBSD.org, advocacy@OpenBSD.org) to come to an agreement about this question. Don't hold your breath. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 28 08:47:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25867 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:47:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from astor.interport.net (astor.interport.net [199.184.165.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25860 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:46:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from molbloo@interport.net) Received: from interport.net (molbloo@park.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.2]) by astor.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11528 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (molbloo@localhost) by interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19659 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:46:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:46:46 -0500 (EST) From: alissa bader Reply-To: alissa bader To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: installation problems In-Reply-To: <19981128211107.C6182@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, I've been having a heck of a time getting freebsd installed on my system. From what I can understand about this, i have some sort of hardware problem, but I'm not sure what it is. Basically, I can get it to go through the install, but I sometimes get kind of wonky things when I try to install a package. I get a a "fatal trap 12: page fault in kernel mode." Then the machine reboots. I have been tearing my hair out over this for the past 2 days. I've tried switching hard drives, I've made a new boot disk,I have disconnected and reconnected everything inside that computer at least a dozen times. Please help me. I mean, unix can't be THIS frustrating thanks alissa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 28 17:16:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05404 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:16:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fig.mail.easynet.net (fig.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA05399 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:16:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@sour.cream.org) Received: (qmail 6063 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1998 01:16:25 -0000 Received: from boothman.easynet.co.uk (HELO localhost) (194.154.100.117) by fig.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 1998 01:16:25 -0000 Received: from sour.cream.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00358; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 01:14:58 GMT (envelope-from andrew@sour.cream.org) Message-ID: <3660A011.68F02857@sour.cream.org> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 01:14:57 +0000 From: Andrew Boothman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alissa bader CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installation problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org alissa bader wrote: > Basically, I can get it to go through the install, but I sometimes get > kind of wonky things when I try to install a package. I get a a "fatal > trap 12: page fault in kernel mode." Then the machine reboots. > > I have been tearing my hair out over this for the past 2 days. I've tried > switching hard drives, I've made a new boot disk,I have disconnected and > reconnected everything inside that computer at least a dozen times. > > Please help me. I mean, unix can't be THIS frustrating It usually isn't! Weird random error messages are often caused by faulty memory, so you should try and replace that and see if it solves your poblem. I'm afraid I don't know anything about that spacific message, so if that doesn't help you'll have to try questions@freebsd.org and see if someone more experienced can help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 28 18:27:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10606 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:27:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10601 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:27:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mhenry@white.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au) Message-Id: <199811290227.SAA10601@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: installation problems To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:27:11 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" In-Reply-To: from "alissa bader" at Nov 28, 98 11:46:46 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I get a a "fatal trap 12: page fault in kernel mode." > Then the machine reboots. I had this exact problem. I don't remember what caused it, though :( I'll rack my brain and contact you if I remember. > I have been tearing my hair out over this for the past 2 days. I've tried > switching hard drives, I've made a new boot disk,I have disconnected and > reconnected everything inside that computer at least a dozen times. It's not a hardware problem. (At least, it wasn't for me). Is your hardware configured correctly? There might be a clash between devices somewhere. Now I see the value of keeping a diary of all the problems I encounter and their solutions. Ok brain, to the rack with you... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 28 19:34:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15552 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15539 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:34:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id OAA16698; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:34:11 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19981129143405.06059@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:34:06 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Andrew Boothman Cc: alissa bader , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installation problems References: <3660A011.68F02857@sour.cream.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3660A011.68F02857@sour.cream.org>; from Andrew Boothman on Sun, Nov 29, 1998 at 01:14:57AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 29, 1998 at 01:14:57AM +0000, Andrew Boothman wrote: > alissa bader wrote: > > > > I have been tearing my hair out over this for the past 2 days. If that happens, you know you've done something wrong. Not a FreeBSD mistake, but a seeking help mistake. Take a look at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ to find out how to deal with problems. Alissa, don't ever get yourself into this state, it's not worth it! :-) One of the worst things you can do when you have a problem is to blame yourself. The other is to write to the wrong place for help. This is the wrong place for help. freebsd-questions@freebsd.org is THE place for all support. Over a thousand experienced users will be checking every answer you get there. As Andrew said: > I'm afraid I don't know anything about that spacific message, so if that > doesn't help you'll have to try questions@freebsd.org and see if someone > more experienced can help you. See? That should be your first port of call, not your last hope! Please, people, if you see others asking for help here, send them to freebsd-questions or answer their questions *there* yourself. This is not a technical support group. It's a place to learn how to *get* help. You can help people learn that. If you try to answer support questions here you are robbing a new user of access to the best support that is available. Others on this list will copy you and it'll escalate. Ask here about using the mailing lists or where to find documentation, organise newbies activities, let off steam, or just chat. Help others learn to use the support system that is already available, or discuss ways to improve it. This is all set out in the list charters, the list subscription advice, and in the weekly reposting to this list which last came through yesterday. If that's not enough, I don't know what is. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 28 19:54:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17408 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:54:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from astor.interport.net (astor.interport.net [199.184.165.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17403 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:54:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from molbloo@interport.net) Received: from interport.net (molbloo@park.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.2]) by astor.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24410 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (molbloo@localhost) by interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA04198 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:54:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:54:25 -0500 (EST) From: alissa bader To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installation problems In-Reply-To: <19981129143405.06059@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org thanks for the pointers and the encouragement! I've since posted my query to the freebsd-questions list. I am fairly new to unix and to pc hardware, and I'm hoping I can get this problem solved pretty quickly. But it's turning out to be a learning experience, all of it. thanks again, alissa On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > If that happens, you know you've done something wrong. Not a FreeBSD > mistake, but a seeking help mistake. Take a look at > http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ to find out how to deal with > problems. Alissa, don't ever get yourself into this state, it's not worth > it! :-) > > One of the worst things you can do when you have a problem is to blame > yourself. The other is to write to the wrong place for help. This is > the wrong place for help. freebsd-questions@freebsd.org is THE place > for all support. Over a thousand experienced users will be checking > every answer you get there. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 28 20:01:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18067 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:01:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18043 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:01:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@newman.concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.119.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id XAA08243; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:01:04 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d41.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d41.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.53]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA01835; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:01:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:00:58 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke X-Sender: mlduke@cyberhighway.net To: Andrew Boothman cc: alissa bader , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installation problems In-Reply-To: <3660A011.68F02857@sour.cream.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > alissa bader wrote: > > Basically, I can get it to go through the install, but I sometimes get > > kind of wonky things when I try to install a package. I get a a "fatal > > trap 12: page fault in kernel mode." Then the machine reboots. > > > > I have been tearing my hair out over this for the past 2 days. I've tried The suggestion it might be faulty memory was a good one--been there done that, it can hose your entire system. The suggestion to take it to "questions" was not--unless you do some preparation first. Installing a package? From CD Rom, dos distribution or downloading/compile from ports? Define _everything_ or these guys will cream you. Not because they are bad guys, but because they are tired of attempting to answer incomplete questions. As yours stands it would stink to high heaven on questions. Not to say I learned this lesson when I should have. I got adopted by a Mentor--God knows why. Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 28 20:13:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19349 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:13:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19326 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA04693; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:42:40 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id OAA11082; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:42:40 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981129144239.F6182@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:42:39 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: ML Duke , Andrew Boothman Cc: alissa bader , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Where to ask questions (was: installation problems) References: <3660A011.68F02857@sour.cream.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from ML Duke on Sat, Nov 28, 1998 at 09:00:58PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 28 November 1998 at 21:00:58 -0700, ML Duke wrote: >> alissa bader wrote: >>> Basically, I can get it to go through the install, but I sometimes get >>> kind of wonky things when I try to install a package. I get a a "fatal >>> trap 12: page fault in kernel mode." Then the machine reboots. >>> >>> I have been tearing my hair out over this for the past 2 days. I've tried > > The suggestion it might be faulty memory was a good one--been there done > that, it can hose your entire system. > > The suggestion to take it to "questions" was not--unless you do some > preparation first. Installing a package? From CD Rom, dos distribution > or downloading/compile from ports? > > Define _everything_ or these guys will cream you. Not because they are > bad guys, but because they are tired of attempting to answer incomplete > questions. As yours stands it would stink to high heaven on questions. Yes, it's true that people on -questions get upset if you put in a badly formulated question. But the solution isn't to put in a badly formulated question to an inappropriate list--you may not get flamed, but chances are you won't get a useful answer either. For example, you and Andrew both suggested it could be memory. It may be. I've seen cases like this where it has been memory, I've seen cases where it wasn't. If Alissa believes you two guys, she might go out and buy new memory and find herself in exactly the same situation as before, just a couple of hundred dollars poorer. You can understand that the guys on -questions (myself included) want to give the right answer, and for that we need more details. There's really no alternative: the obvious solution is to find out how to ask questions correctly. http://www.lemis.com/questions.html is a good place to start. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message