From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 6 13:43:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08178 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:43:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from castor.chuck (lucy.bedford.net [206.99.145.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08172 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from listread@bedford.net) Received: (from listread@localhost) by castor.chuck (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08466; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:37:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from listread) Message-Id: <199812062137.QAA08466@castor.chuck> Subject: Re: What to do with new hardware... In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981204101933.0090cda0@spectre.honk.org> from "M. Poulin" at "Dec 4, 98 10:19:33 am" To: mpoulin@honk.org (M. Poulin) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:37:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-no-archive: yes Restrict: no-external-archive X-Echelon: anthrax marburg ebola aerosol Reply-to: djv@bedford.net From: "Woodchuck" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org M. Poulin wrote: > > I would like a nice X workstation running KDE or another nice-looking window manager (I've tried FVWM2, and will probably also try Enlightenment and AfterStep) - the 486 is just a little too slow for graphic-intensive X sessions. > Oh? This may be more a problem of video cards rather than CPU. Of course, it depends on what you mean by "slow". With a lightweight window manager (fvwm 1.x or maybe icewm) it is tolerable with mostly text applications. The prob. will probably be that the monitor is too small or too low resolution. X on a 680x480 vanilla VGA really sucks. (I've actually run X on a Hercules monochrome monitor and on mono VGA on 386SX-16 machines, which is, er, "interesting"). > What I am thinking is to set up my machines as follows: > > > - Install FreeBSD on the 486 500MB HD. (no X) > > - Network the two, using NFS if needed, and when I get the cable modem, I will turn the 486 into a firewall / proxy server. > > Any thoughts? Definitely network the two, it's a piece of cake. With two machines, you can get away with a "null modem" (crossover) cable for twisted pair ethernet, or use coax. NFS performance is adequate even over coax. If you're buying new cards, look for Tulip cards or Intel Etherexpress depending on budget. Avoid coax for new installations. I say that even though I run about 6 machines here, 5 of them on coax, and have had no problems. I routinely run an X over 10MHz coax (to an old DECStation), with very satisfactory results. Re X on the 486... if you have the two boxes netted, there is no problem to "install" X on the 486; the /usr/X11R6 directory may be exported, and symbolic links to configuration files (recommend /etc/X or something local to each machine) used. Of course, the rational way to run things is as you have suggested: run the 486 headless and networked, and use rlogin/xterm/and so on to access that machine. Also, /usr/src and /usr/obj are naturals to export: you can keep current on the bigger box with cvsup, and easily update the wee box. Of course, the entire /usr fs can be exported to the 486, possibly (probably) readonly. I'm running a more-or-less similar setup, a couple of PPro's hiding behind a 486. Once set up, this is a "foolproof --hands off -- it runs itself" situation. Look for posts by Dan Langille (?) on -questions, he has a web page with some very useful info about small home networking setups. Dave -- Strangers know your loved ones' phone numbers!!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 7 18:27:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23196 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:27:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb2-atm.maine.rr.com (proxyb2-atm.maine.rr.com [204.210.64.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23191 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:27:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from smohr1@maine.rr.com) Received: from maine.rr.com (dt074n1a.maine.rr.com [24.93.136.26]) by proxyb2-atm.maine.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17846 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:32:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366B3CEE.BCB85D65@maine.rr.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 21:26:55 -0500 From: Arashi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Questions: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently, I heard of this OS from a friend. He raved about it. I decided to give it a try. Unfortunately, I know close to zero about UNIX (the basic commands, how it works, etc - I know none of this!). However, I am trying to learn. So my question is this: which UNIX is FreeBSD compatible with? I am trying to download Netscape for UNIX and have no idea which version to download. And another problem is getting my cable modem working......... I subscribe to a cable Internet service from Time Warner Cable of Maine. I have called them up and they said that they ight be able to dig up a UNIX client for me, but is this all I need? Can I just run the script or binary executable or do I need to configure anything else? Keep in mind, I a a DOS/Win95 person so I may use terminology that is exclusive to DOS-based systems, so forgive me if I a not using the correct terms. I also understand that UNIX is not for those without motivation to learn a new operating system. Believe me, after the horrors of Win95, I am able and willing......... BTW, as a closing note, is it possible to use my HP CD-writer Plus 8100i under BSD to burn CDs? I would like to learn how to do this...... And to ask a real question of the stereotypical newbie: what is the command to change drives? and how do I get the OS to display the path before the command prompt? It is kind of confusing not being able to tell what directory you are in after you cd 5X-6X........ Can I read DOS-formatted media easily with the above command? I have bought your software from Walnut Creek CDROM so I need answers to these questions. But there is no hurry........ they are back ordered about 2 weeks so I will not be receiving my CDs for a while - probably not until after Christmas. Thank you for your time. For now, I will live with the atrocities of Windows 95 (or until I can get FreeBSD installed with ALL ports and XWindows, man pages, etc. As of now, I just have the OS binaries. No XWindows, no nothing except the CLI. And keep in mind that I know an extremely minimal amount about UNIX so it is fairly hard for me to learn. However, I have a book which seems promising and maybe by the middle of next year I may have half the commands down :-). cya To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 7 21:07:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10418 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:07:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet.chipweb.ml.org (c1003518-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.1.82.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA10409 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:07:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ludwigp@bigfoot.com) Received: (qmail 8783 invoked from network); 8 Dec 1998 05:06:53 -0000 Received: from speedy.chipweb.ml.org (HELO speedy) (172.16.1.1) by inet.chipweb.ml.org with SMTP; 8 Dec 1998 05:06:53 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.19981207204859.00aee890@mail-r> X-Sender: ludwigp2@mail-r X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:06:49 -0800 To: Arashi , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ludwig Pummer Subject: Re: Questions: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <366B3CEE.BCB85D65@maine.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:26 PM 12/6/98 , Arashi wrote: >Recently, I heard of this OS from a friend. He raved about it. I >decided to give it a try. Unfortunately, I know close to zero about >UNIX (the basic commands, how it works, etc - I know none of this!). >However, I am trying to learn. That's what this mailing list is for! I've forwarded to you the Newbies First Aid Kit, which is posted to this list every few weeks. >So my question is this: which UNIX is >FreeBSD compatible with? FreeBSD is gaining enough popularity that there are versions specifically for it. If there's no FreeBSD-native version, you can try Linux or BSDI versions. I've never tried to run any BSDI versions, but (for example) the Linux version of RealPlayer, quake2, and quake work under FreeBSD's Linux emulator. >I am trying to download Netscape for UNIX and >have no idea which version to download. If you search around in ftp.netscape.com, you can find a FreeBSD-specific version. It may still be in the development subdirectory (as opposed to the shipping subdirectory), but it's fully functional. >And another problem is getting >my cable modem working......... I subscribe to a cable Internet service >from Time Warner Cable of Maine. I have called them up and they said >that they ight be able to dig up a UNIX client for me, but is this all I >need? Can I just run the script or binary executable or do I need to >configure anything else? I assume from the 'rr.com' that it's the RoadRunner cable modem service. For help with RoadRunner cable modem setup, search the mailing list archive (the link is given in the Newbies FAK). >Keep in mind, I a a DOS/Win95 person so I may >use terminology that is exclusive to DOS-based systems, so forgive me if >I a not using the correct terms. I also understand that UNIX is not for >those without motivation to learn a new operating system. Believe me, >after the horrors of Win95, I am able and willing......... There are a lot of newbies moving over from other GUIs... I myself am/was a DOS/Windows user. I've found my DOS knowledge to be quite useful (and a hindrance...I have an alias for dir set up because I'm so used to typing it). >BTW, as a closing note, is it possible to use my HP CD-writer Plus 8100i >under BSD to burn CDs? I would like to learn how to do this...... Again, check the mailing list archives and resource listed in the FAK. >And >to ask a real question of the stereotypical newbie: what is the command >to change drives? Unix file systems don't have drive letters. There is a single root directory, /, and all other physical drives and filesystems are "mounted" to it, so they appear as subdirectories. Again, check the FAQ and the www.freebsd.org's new user tutorial. >and how do I get the OS to display the path before >the command prompt? That's shell-specific. One similarity between DOS and Unix is the separation of the command interpreter (the shell) from the Kernel. For example, in DOS there is COMMAND.COM, but you can use other command interpreters like 4DOS. In Unix there are many different shells. Each shell can have its own system for setting the prompt. If you want to get the current directory, 'pwd' will tell you. I know this has been asked a few times in the -questions mailing list. >Can I read >DOS-formatted media easily with the above command? To get DOS-formatted media, working, you need to use the mount command. Check www.freebsd.org's tutorials. Also, www.daemonnews.org has a newbies section in every issue, and at least one issue's section dealt with working with floppy disks (including dos-formatted ones) >Thank you for your time. For now, I will live with the atrocities of >Windows 95 (or until I can get FreeBSD installed with ALL ports and you probably don't want to install ALL of the ports...just a few, as you need them. >XWindows, man pages, etc. As of now, I just have the OS binaries. No >XWindows, no nothing except the CLI. I first used FreeBSD without XWindows (the computer only had a VGA card). It wasn't until I installed FreeBSD on my second computer that I even got into X. >And keep in mind that I know an >extremely minimal amount about UNIX so it is fairly hard for me to >learn. However, I have a book which seems promising and maybe by the >middle of next year I may have half the commands down :-). I'm afraid I would have to disagree that it's hard to learn _because_ you're a newbie. Being a newbie just means you have a lot to learn. And I'm afraid to say, you probably won't learn half of the commands by the middle of next year (nor will you need to). As I've mentioned, check the Newbies First Aid Kit, the www.freebsd.org tutorials, the FAQ, the Handbook, and www.daemonnews.org. I also recommend subscribing to the -questions and -newbies mailing list. You may not understand what's being said on the -questions list, but just reading the messages gives you an idea what's going on. After a while things start falling in place. Sometime in the future, you will have a question on how to do something and remember seeing it in -questions a long time ago. So you search the archives... Good Luck! I've been using FreeBSD for nearly two years and I still sometimes feel like a newbie (at certain things). --Ludwig Pummer ( ludwigp@bigfoot.com ) ICQ UIN: 692441 ( ludwigp@email.com ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 7 21:35:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13236 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:35:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from b.mx.crl.com (bmx.crl.com [165.113.1.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13231 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:35:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by b.mx.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id VAA26032; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:35:42 -0800 (PST) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:35:41 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Manes To: Arashi cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Questions: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <366B3CEE.BCB85D65@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Recently, I heard of this OS from a friend. He raved about it. I > decided to give it a try. Unfortunately, I know close to zero about > UNIX (the basic commands, how it works, etc - I know none of this!). > However, I am trying to learn. So my question is this: which UNIX is > FreeBSD compatible with? I am trying to download Netscape for UNIX and > have no idea which version to download. And another problem is getting > my cable modem working......... Well, UNIX is (from my understanding) basicly compatable. Emulators are needed to run some software, such as Linux stuff, but they are light interms of the emulation (ie, not neerly as agrivating as running win32 apps in UNIX). I'm just as new, all that I know is the history, and the basic use from years on a shell, but fairly little. I'd recomend getting a book or two. I've gotten 3 free postscript books now, none I've had a chance to read (Complete FreeBSD, FreeBSD for Newbies, and another floating somewhere on my hd). I can get you the ftp sites (or upload them) if you want.. just grab gostscript.. I subscribe to a cable Internet service > from Time Warner Cable of Maine. I have called them up and they said > that they ight be able to dig up a UNIX client for me, but is this all I > need? Can I just run the script or binary executable or do I need to > configure anything else? ASk FreeBSD-questions.. > BTW, as a closing note, is it possible to use my HP CD-writer Plus 8100i > under BSD to burn CDs? I would like to learn how to do this...... And >From what I've heard, there is a package to create iso images (which you can burn in windoze), and I believe there is a tool to burn cds. I don't trust to much cdr tools, mostly just Adaptec Ez-CD. > to ask a real question of the stereotypical newbie: what is the command > to change drives? and how do I get the OS to display the path before > the command prompt? It is kind of confusing not being able to tell what > directory you are in after you cd 5X-6X........ Can I read > DOS-formatted media easily with the above command? Well, hard drives are under directories, not drive letters. Confusing, but in someways better. I first thought this meant automoatic software raid, but sadly was mistaken. You mount your partitions to directories, and your fine. ie. you do mount sda1 /mnt/pcdos on my machine, which mounts the partition of scsi drive 1 (my dos) to that directory. 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Zuk RVN 66~68 Khe Sanh "TetVet" Note: Possible banner considerations: http://vetring.com/banner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 10 08:10:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09111 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:10:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcol.humberc.on.ca (hcol.humberc.on.ca [142.214.101.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09106 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:10:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scqdaf@globalserve.net) X-ROUTED: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:10:18 -0500 Received: from [142.214.65.175] [142.214.65.175] by hcol.humberc.on.ca with smtp id $T103596 ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:09:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: scqdaf@mail.globalserve.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:30:06 -0500 To: FreeBSD-Newbies From: Dennis Favro Subject: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd like to upgrade my version of FreeBSD, but I'm not sure which would be the most effective way to do it: should I try woring over the Internet (over my pokey,old 28.8k modem) or should I just byte the bullet and get 2.2.8 on CD from Walnut Creek? The shipping and exchange rates would put the cost up a little higher than I'd like to pay, but if going from 2.2.6 to the current release would be too excruciatingly slow... --Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 10 09:16:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16765 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:16:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16749 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:16:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpoland@execpc.com) Received: from pop01.execpc.com (pop01.execpc.com [169.207.2.114]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.0) id LAA16714 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:15:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from 584354 (altair-9.mdm.apl.execpc.com [207.250.71.74]) by pop01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id LAA28297 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:15:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199812101715.LAA28297@pop01.execpc.com> From: "Doug Poland" To: Subject: Re: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:18:55 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dennis, As an alternative, you may want to check the BSD CD Giveaway List (http://visar.csustan.edu/) The recipient pays shipping and would be cheaper than buying new. -- Doug Poland dpoland@execpc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 10 14:41:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01080 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:41:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.htg.net (mail.htg.net [209.136.26.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01073 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from diablo@intelexis.com) Received: from mail (mail [209.136.26.18]) by mail.htg.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04970 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:47:13 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:47:13 -0700 (MST) From: Carlos Madrigal X-Sender: diablo@mail To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Newbie questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How can I make the numerica pad work under X? How can I make my apps use a proxy server? How can I make my FBSD machine act as a proxy server between my LAN and the Internet? How can I make py prompt shows the working directory? Thanks for all your support. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 10 20:05:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08976 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:05:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tekincisnts-4.teklogix.com ([207.219.2.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08971 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:05:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@teklogix.com) Received: from mail.teklogix.com (ms02-214.tor.istar.CA [137.186.227.214]) by tekincisnts-4.teklogix.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id Y3VN8NYL; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:04:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:09:15 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin To: Dennis Favro Subject: RE: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It depends, if you ask me. I have a 28.8 modem, and I don't have too much trouble doing a complete install over FTP, but then I do get my internet access for free. I don't know what your per-hour costs are, but if you have the usual package most ISPs give away, you should be getting about 90 - 100 hours/month for about $30. (Assuming you are somewhere in north america - GlobalServe is here in the GTA isn't it?) So the online cost may or may not be worth it to you. Anyway, a complete install including ports and X takes about 8-10 hours over a 28.8 modem, which I usually start about an hour before I go to bed. That way I can go through all of the preliminary setup config, and make sure that the FTP is well underway, and when I wake up in the morning, all of the downloads and most of the compiling on my 486 is done. On 09-Dec-98 Dennis Favro wrote: > I'd like to upgrade my version of FreeBSD, but I'm not sure which > would be the most effective way to do it: should I try woring over > the Internet (over my pokey,old 28.8k modem) or should I just byte > the bullet and get 2.2.8 on CD from Walnut Creek? > > The shipping and exchange rates would put the cost up a little > higher than I'd like to pay, but if going from 2.2.6 to the current > release would be too excruciatingly slow... > > --Dennis > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Marty Poulin Date: 10-Dec-98 Time: 23:03:13 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 11 04:04:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA25471 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:04:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from castor.chuck (lucy.bedford.net [206.99.145.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA25463 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:04:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from listread@bedford.net) Received: (from listread@localhost) by castor.chuck (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10860; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:54:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from listread) Message-Id: <199812111154.GAA10860@castor.chuck> Subject: Re: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs In-Reply-To: from Dennis Favro at "Dec 8, 98 09:30:06 pm" To: scqdaf@globalserve.net (Dennis Favro) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:54:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-no-archive: yes Restrict: no-external-archive X-Echelon: anthrax marburg ebola aerosol Reply-to: djv@bedford.net From: "Woodchuck" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dennis Favro wrote: > I'd like to upgrade my version of FreeBSD, but I'm not sure which > would be the most effective way to do it: should I try woring over > the Internet (over my pokey,old 28.8k modem) or should I just byte > the bullet and get 2.2.8 on CD from Walnut Creek? > > The shipping and exchange rates would put the cost up a little > higher than I'd like to pay, but if going from 2.2.6 to the current > release would be too excruciatingly slow... > > --Dennis It depends how comfortable you are with Unix. The easiest way is to bite the bullet, and order a CD, but I'd wait for 3.1 or so. Unless, of course, there is some feature in 2.2.8 that you have to have. But there probably isn't; 2.2.6-->2.2.8 is mostly bug fixes. On the other hand, cvsup is rather painless. This would allow you to update the source code from 2.2.6 to 2.2.8, after which you would make the world from source (a few hours on a PPro 200), and install it. You have to have all the source (/usr/src...) installed, of course. After a cvsup, you *will* have it all installed, of course, but the advantage of cvsup'ping the source is that the amount of traffic is very small if your 2.2.6 already is installed ... only the differences between the version you have and the version you're updating to are transmitted. cvsup is described in its man page, and in Greg Lehey's "Complete FreeBSD". Dave -- Strangers know your loved ones' phone numbers!!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 11 04:40:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01212 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:40:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server2.rad.net.id (server2.rad.net.id [202.154.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA01202 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:40:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Leonard_Ong@iname.com) Received: from AncientChinese (dyn3008a.dialin.rad.net.id [202.154.44.8]) by server2.rad.net.id (8.8.5/RADNET) with SMTP id TAA24323; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:36:00 +0700 (WIB) Message-Id: <4.1.19981211073354.00be3a60@pop.rad.net.id> X-Sender: ong@pop.rad.net.id X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:35:46 +0700 To: djv@bedford.net From: Leonard Ong Subject: Re: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs Cc: scqdaf@globalserve.net (Dennis Favro), freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812111154.GAA10860@castor.chuck> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm from a country that affected by Currency Crisis. I can't upgrade by CVS or CD in cheap manner. However, How long should i spend d/ling hte sources from 2.2.6 to 2.2.8 ? Can i update to 3.0 ? Thanks At 1854 12/11/98 , Woodchuck wrote: >Dennis Favro wrote: >> I'd like to upgrade my version of FreeBSD, but I'm not sure which >> would be the most effective way to do it: should I try woring over >> the Internet (over my pokey,old 28.8k modem) or should I just byte >> the bullet and get 2.2.8 on CD from Walnut Creek? >> >> The shipping and exchange rates would put the cost up a little >> higher than I'd like to pay, but if going from 2.2.6 to the current >> release would be too excruciatingly slow... >> >> --Dennis > >It depends how comfortable you are with Unix. The easiest way is >to bite the bullet, and order a CD, but I'd wait for 3.1 or so. >Unless, of course, there is some feature in 2.2.8 that you have to >have. But there probably isn't; 2.2.6-->2.2.8 is mostly bug fixes. > >On the other hand, cvsup is rather painless. This would allow you >to update the source code from 2.2.6 to 2.2.8, after which you >would make the world from source (a few hours on a PPro 200), and >install it. You have to have all the source (/usr/src...) installed, >of course. After a cvsup, you *will* have it all installed, of >course, but the advantage of cvsup'ping the source is that the >amount of traffic is very small if your 2.2.6 already is installed >... only the differences between the version you have and the >version you're updating to are transmitted. > >cvsup is described in its man page, and in Greg Lehey's "Complete FreeBSD". > >Dave >-- > Strangers know your loved ones' phone numbers!!!! > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 11 05:24:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA05311 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 05:24:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from castor.chuck (lucy.bedford.net [206.99.145.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA05277 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 05:24:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djv@bedford.net) Received: (from djv@localhost) by castor.chuck (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12950; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:17:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from djv) From: Woodchuck Message-Id: <199812111317.IAA12950@castor.chuck> Subject: Re: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981211073354.00be3a60@pop.rad.net.id> from Leonard Ong at "Dec 11, 98 07:35:46 am" To: Leonard_Ong@iname.com (Leonard Ong) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:17:05 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leonard Ong wrote > > I'm from a country that affected by Currency Crisis. I can't upgrade by > CVS or CD in cheap manner. However, How long should i spend d/ling hte > sources from 2.2.6 to 2.2.8 ? > > Can i update to 3.0 ? > I'm not sure that I can answer this accurately; I run cvs periodically (every week or so), rather than one big job to go from 2.2.6-->2.2.8. Maybe if you ask on the freebsd-stable list, you could get an estimate of the download time to go from 2.2.6 to 2.2.8, assuming you have 2.2.6 sources already installed. One question to ask yourself, is if you need to upgrade at all. If 2.2.6 is working, then perhaps you don't need to upgrade, or to upgrade everything. To go to 3.0, a CD is probably best. 3.x has many new things. Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 11 14:11:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08029 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:11:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.bodensee.com (mail.bodensee.com [212.62.192.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08024 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:11:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de) Received: from gw1.bodensee.com (root@gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.39]) by mail.bodensee.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15831; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:45:51 +0100 Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf252.surf24.de [212.62.193.252]) by gw1.bodensee.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA30491; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:45:52 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:27:25 +0100 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs To: Leonard Ong cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981211073354.00be3a60@pop.rad.net.id> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA08025 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri 11 Dec, Leonard Ong wrote: > > I'm from a country that affected by Currency Crisis. I can't upgrade by > CVS or CD in cheap manner. However, How long should i spend d/ling hte > sources from 2.2.6 to 2.2.8 ? > > Can i update to 3.0 ? Are your phonecalls "free" ? I'm certainly not affected by a currency crisis, but _installing_ via ftp I can only do at work, ATM, where I have 4xISDN leased-line and get at least 25K from ftp.cdrom.com. (Germany has absolutely no free local calls) To get the sources (bare-bone system) doesn't take very long (I run cvs on a 2-4 week basis) , but just think of getting the X-Sources (50Megs, 20Megs as pkg or so) via modem - that's silly, if you pay at least 1 USD/hour (it's actually a bit more). Or install KDE - 20+ Megs. Or other large ports. If you have the time, and your phone-calls are cheap enough, you can do it. (I think even the transition to 3.0 is relatively smooth). You could also look into the cheap-bytes CD (5 USD), though the costs of customs and post may actually make this an expensive "bargain". (My "free" Solaris 7 CD cost 34 USD in the end). Don't you know somebody with an account at a university or so ? You could do the download there, and burn a CD with ports and X and KDE. cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | Achtung: rainer.duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de | |(die alte E-Mail Adresse) verfällt zum 31.12.98 | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 11 14:27:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09301 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:27:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.bvinet.com ([208.239.76.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09296 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:27:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msierra@bvinet.com) Received: by mail with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:26:42 -0500 Message-ID: <211D0157FD1FD21190DB00104B8765E906D0CB@mail> From: Miguel Sierra To: "'Rainer M Duffner'" , Leonard Ong Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BE2555.53CC0660" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2555.53CC0660 Content-Type: text/plain Is it hard for me to Upgrade from 2.2.7 to 3.0 or 2.2.8. Or do I just have to download the files and upgrade them. I'm brand new in Unix and need to find out how things go, even tell me a Website that has this information if possible. Thank you, Miguel. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2555.53CC0660 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs

Is it hard for me to Upgrade from 2.2.7 to 3.0 or = 2.2.8. Or do I just have to download the files and upgrade them. I'm = brand new in Unix and need to find out how things go, even tell me a = Website that has this information if possible.

Thank you,

Miguel.

------ =_NextPart_001_01BE2555.53CC0660-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 11 17:30:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26532 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:30:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26525 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:30:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA03497 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:30:19 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:30:19 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199812120130.MAA03497@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. 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If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. 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The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. 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Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 11 19:12:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06200 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:12:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06195 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpoland@execpc.com) Received: from pop05.execpc.com (pop05.execpc.com [169.207.3.82]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.0) id UAA29966 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:38:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from egypt (castria-34.mdm.apl.execpc.com [207.250.71.162]) by pop05.execpc.com (8.8.8) id UAA02829 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:38:02 -0600 Message-ID: <004f01be2578$70ac8410$01646464@egypt> From: "Doug Poland" To: Subject: Re: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:37:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't forget the BSD Giveaway list. People will send you the CD's for FREE. All you have to do is pay the postage. http://visar.csustan.edu/giveaway.html -----Original Message----- From: Rainer M Duffner To: Leonard Ong Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 16:37 Subject: Re: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs >On Fri 11 Dec, Leonard Ong wrote: >> >> I'm from a country that affected by Currency Crisis. I can't upgrade by >> CVS or CD in cheap manner. However, How long should i spend d/ling hte >> sources from 2.2.6 to 2.2.8 ? >> >> Can i update to 3.0 ? > >Are your phonecalls "free" ? >I'm certainly not affected by a currency crisis, but _installing_ via >ftp I can only do at work, ATM, where I have 4xISDN leased-line and get >at least 25K from ftp.cdrom.com. (Germany has absolutely no free local >calls) >To get the sources (bare-bone system) doesn't take very long (I run cvs >on a 2-4 week basis) , but just think of getting the X-Sources (50Megs, >20Megs as pkg or so) via modem - that's silly, if you pay at least 1 >USD/hour (it's actually a bit more). >Or install KDE - 20+ Megs. Or other large ports. > >If you have the time, and your phone-calls are cheap enough, you can do >it. (I think even the transition to 3.0 is relatively smooth). > >You could also look into the cheap-bytes CD (5 USD), though the costs of >customs and post may actually make this an expensive "bargain". >(My "free" Solaris 7 CD cost 34 USD in the end). > >Don't you know somebody with an account at a university or so ? You >could do the download there, and burn a CD with ports and X and KDE. > > >cheers, >Rainer >-- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >|Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | >| & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | >|Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | >|"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | >| Achtung: rainer.duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de | >|(die alte E-Mail Adresse) verfällt zum 31.12.98 | >| WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 12 11:45:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21074 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:45:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21069 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:44:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from durang@u.washington.edu) Received: from goodall2.u.washington.edu (durang@goodall2.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.168]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA04596; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:44:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (durang@localhost) by goodall2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA88350; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:44:47 -0800 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:44:47 -0800 (PST) From: "K. Marsh" To: Miguel Sierra cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs In-Reply-To: <211D0157FD1FD21190DB00104B8765E906D0CB@mail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Miguel Sierra wrote: > Is it hard for me to Upgrade from 2.2.7 to 3.0 or 2.2.8. Or do I just > have to download the files and upgrade them. I'm brand new in Unix and > need to find out how things go, even tell me a Website that has this > information if possible. It's not hard to upgrade, Miguel, but it's not as easy as just downloading the files either. There is a great tutorial on the subject. Go to www.freebsd.org, click on "tutorials", and then on "Upgrading FreeBSD from source" However, if you are new to UNIX, you should ask yourself WHY you want to upgrade. There is a lot of upgrading hype in the DOS/WIN world, but a new version of FreeBSD comes out every few months, and for a new user, you will see little difference from version to version. If you do feel the need to upgrade, I'd go with 2.2.8. 3.0 being the first 3.x release with many big changes, it's bound to have a few difficulties you won't find in 2.2.8. I'm still running 2.2.2, and I plan to upgrade to 2.2.6 this weekend because I have the CDs. Kenneth J. Marsh University of Washington durang@u.washington.edu Chemical Engineering To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 12 14:33:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05336 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:33:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.bodensee.com (mail.bodensee.com [212.62.192.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05327 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:33:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de) Received: from gw1.bodensee.com (root@gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.39]) by mail.bodensee.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08783; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:33:21 +0100 Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf227.surf24.de [212.62.193.227]) by gw1.bodensee.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05643; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:33:21 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:12:27 +0100 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: RE: Upgrade: Over Internet or Just Get New CDs To: Miguel Sierra cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <211D0157FD1FD21190DB00104B8765E906D0CB@mail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA05330 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri 11 Dec, Miguel Sierra wrote: > > > Is it hard for me to Upgrade from 2.2.7 to 3.0 or 2.2.8. No, not really. But why would you want to upgrade ? I mean, what feature do you need. ? 2.2.7 has, IIRC got almost all features the avarage user would want (e.g. long-filenames-support in FAT). 2.2.8 is a maintainance release mostly. If you have a Dual-Board, and your performance needs are so demanding that a single-Pentium-whatever can't handle them, then you could opt for 3.0. >From a user perspective, there is (IMHO) absolutely no difference. > Or do I just have to download the files and upgrade them. You don't even need all the files, just the source-diffs. Checkout the CVS-section in the handbook. There is a small package somewhere on the ftp-site, that lets you configure cvs via a console-based menu. A total no-brainer. Then, if you've updated your source, you can look at this web-site: http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html Normally, there are absolutely no problems. I only get problems, when I try experimental things (like the -j -switch to the make-process, that starts more compile-sessions at once - the process then stops at some stage. It's always the same stage, though. But if you run into problems, you may end up with a totally unsuable system, that only a reinstall could bring back to life. > I'm brand new in Unix and need to find out how things go, There is _the_ book about this : Unix System Administration (2nd ed.) 1995 by Evi Nemeth et. al. I've been informed that a new edition will surface in 99, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It took them 6 years to write the 2nd edition... ;-) You shouldn't read this book like you read a MS-Windows book ("point here and click this button to receive the following error-message"), rather like a (good) cook-book, where you get ideas and inspiration. > even tell me a Website that has this information if possible. If there was one single website, that explained "it" all, I'm sure we wouldn't need this list at all ;-) >From my experience (which is only 4 years of Unix-use and a single year as a "wanna-be"-administator) and from a "guru" I know, I can say that the one thing you need most is time. Time and patience. The more you work with the system, the more you'll understand. As a good source of information, www.dejanews.com is always a good starting-point. I must admit, that it often returns more relevant articles then the maillist-archive search @ freebsd.org, which often displays only totally irrelevant articles. cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | Achtung: rainer.duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de | |(die alte E-Mail Adresse) verfällt zum 31.12.98 | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message