From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 27 03:23:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA06809 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.bodensee.com (mail.bodensee.com [212.62.192.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA06772 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:22:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de) Received: from gw1.bodensee.com (root@gw1.konstanz.netsurf.de [194.163.242.39]) by mail.bodensee.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22513; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:22:03 +0100 Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf242.surf24.de [212.62.193.242]) by gw1.bodensee.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04119; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:22:02 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:06:36 +0100 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: Free Solaris To: Rick Hamell cc: FreeBSD-Newbies , Dennis Favro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA06777 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun 27 Dec, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > > Ok, I've had some time to muck about with FreeBSD and its been > > going pretty well. So now I've notice this free Solaris program > > offered by Sun and I'm wondering if its worth trying. > I could be wrong, but I believe Solaris only works on Sun Nope, there is Solaris/x86 - and you get it together with the SPARC-CD when you order the education-promo. Solaris on IA64 will be supported much more by SUN than the current IA32-release. > hardware. FreeBSD runs on Intel, Alpha, and soon Sun. OpenBSD will run on > anything. :) > Solaris and FreeBSD are going to be equally hard to use at first. > Once you learn one though, the other will be pretty simple. I'm just looking for a nice 9 Gig SCSI HD to try out both Solaris and Linux/Oracle. Is there a Netcape-Version for Solaris/x86, btw ? cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | Achtung: rainer.duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de | |(die alte E-Mail Adresse) verfällt zum 31.12.98 | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 27 04:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18372 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 04:37:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18359 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 04:37:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tomg@nrnet.org) Received: from mailhost.nrnet.org (root@mailhost.nrnet.org [166.84.192.39]) by mail1.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id HAA17553; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 07:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (tomg@localhost) by mailhost.nrnet.org (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA26177; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 07:15:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 07:15:17 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Good To: ML Duke cc: Dennis Favro , FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: Free Solaris In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 Dec 1998, ML Duke wrote: > > Ok, I've had some time to muck about with FreeBSD and its been > > going pretty well. So now I've notice this free Solaris program > > offered by Sun and I'm wondering if its worth trying. > > My Unix Mentor is an AIX Systems Engineer in Texas. His job is to install, > configure and administer a variety of commericial Unix flavors, Solaris > among them. He basically says its a bugger to install and a pain in the > but to administer as compared to FreeBSD. > > But, if its your desire to be a Unix administrator, it would be a > _definite_ plus on your resume, as would any other commercial variety. While you're at it you might want to pick up some SCO promos. OpenServer and UnixWare are available. UW is not that dissimilar from Solaris (both are pretty std SVR4.2). OpenServer is a entity unto itself. I run both systems (and have messed with Solaris before.) UnixWare is why I first tried Linux. To unlock each feature you need you must first pay SCO $695 US. (DOS Merge, Morningstar PPP, Netscape FastTrack...) Everything about UW (and Solaris really) is very obtuse when it comes to configuration. I recently got UUCP over TCP going on UW. What a dance I had to do! BTW, you will definitely want to get both the Unix System Administration Handbook (Nemeth, et al.) and Aeleen Frisch's Essential System Administration (pub by Tim O'Reilly). Solaris and UnixWare have quite a few similarities, including system initialisation and port management. They use ttymon instead of getty. As far as the resume goes it definitely doesn't hurt to know ttymon. However, of the three strategies I've tried - traditional BSD getty, UW ttymon and (Linux) getty/uugetty - I like the latter the best... but I'm in the minority here. Even on Linux mailing lists people argue over this point. Most linuxers prefer mgetty or agetty. Anyhow! The best discussion of the differing strategies I've ever seen is in the (red) Unix System Administration Handbook. That book is a gem. Lastly, Solaris makes it a little tougher to find essential log files. But have fun! It is a solid implementation. It is worth noting that Solaris was supposed to replace SunOS (the BSD variant). Just as SCO hoped every OpenServer box would be migrated to UnixWare. Neither has happened yet. ;-) Cheers, Tom BTW, you can order UnixWare 7 from www.sco.com - and get tons of ports (including perl, pine and bash) from www.freebird.org. I collect all of these freebies cause I'm an incurable pack rat. But after you run any std SVR4.2 flavour you will *really* appreciate FreeBSD! ----------- Sisters of Charity Medical Center ---------- Department of Psychiatry ---- Thomas Good, System Administrator North Richmond CMHC/Residential Services Phone: 718-354-5528 75 Vanderbilt Ave, Quarters 8 Fax: 718-354-5056 Staten Island, NY 10304 www.panix.com/~ugd ---- Powered by PostgreSQL 6.3.2 / Perl 5.004 / DBI-0.91::DBD-PG-0.69 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 27 05:13:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA22060 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 05:13:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geocities.com (mail9.geocities.com [209.1.224.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA22055 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 05:13:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennisip@geocities.com) Received: from speednet.net.speednet.net (241-9.speednet.net [202.69.241.9]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA14090 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 05:13:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812271313.FAA14090@geocities.com> From: "dennis" To: Subject: read mail.. Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 21:23:40 +0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=BIG5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi!as i had subscribed the mailing,I want to know how to read the list?thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 27 06:11:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26470 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:11:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26461 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:11:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id BAA20469; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:11:05 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19981228011101.61016@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:11:01 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: dennis Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: read mail.. References: <199812271313.FAA14090@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199812271313.FAA14090@geocities.com>; from dennis on Fri, Dec 27, 1996 at 09:23:40PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Dec 27, 1996 at 09:23:40PM +0800, dennis wrote: > Hi!as i had subscribed the mailing,I want to know how to read the > list?thanks! Whenever someone writes to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, all suscribers (that includes you now) get a copy sent to their email address. If you want to reply to one of these messages, our convention is to use the group reply or reply to all, so that both the list (freebsd-newbies) and the original sender each get a copy. If someone replies to your message, you'll probably end up with two copies of the reply, one sent direct and one arriving via the mailing list. If you are interested in reading about problems that newbies have had and their solutions, then you want freebsd-questions, not freebsd-newbies. Search the archives of freebsd-questions at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html or join freebsd-questions the same way you joined freebsd-newbies. Find out a lot more about freebsd-newbies at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ which also has some advice about using freebsd-questions for help. Note that freebsd-newbies is for chat and where-to-go, not support questions. We'll help you use the mailing lists or point you to ways to help yourself. Find out more about freebsd-questions at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html and for general advice about using email see http://www.lemis.com/email.html And if your eyes aren't worn out after all that reading :-) why not come back here and introduce yourself, tell us how you're using FreeBSD, what you hope to do with it in the future, or how you're spending your holidays! I'm not sure if that answers the question you asked. If not, ask us again. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 27 08:36:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08724 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:36:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (thor.enteract.com [207.229.143.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA08719 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:36:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrs@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 8205 invoked from network); 27 Dec 1998 16:36:02 -0000 Received: from adam.enteract.com (jrs@206.54.252.1) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 1998 16:36:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 10:36:01 -0600 (CST) From: John Sconiers To: Rainer M Duffner cc: Rick Hamell , FreeBSD-Newbies , Dennis Favro Subject: Re: Free Solaris In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm just looking for a nice 9 Gig SCSI HD to try out both Solaris and > Linux/Oracle. > Is there a Netcape-Version for Solaris/x86, btw ? Yep...They have version 3 and 4. k John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 29 17:43:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12129 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:43:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12124 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@newman.concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.184.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id UAA17757; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:42:00 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d40.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d40.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.148]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA08003; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:41:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:42:20 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke X-Sender: mlduke@concentric.net To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Jay Nelson , timot@alaska.net Subject: Too Good To Pass Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rarely, but sometimes, something comes along that is a bit on the extraordinary side. Things maybe good enough to jolt us away from our current OS and notice that the world is perhaps a growing place, after all. The following, I believe, fits all the above and more. ML Duke--begin the good stuff: >> To realize the value of one year: >> Ask a student who has failed >> a final exam. >> >> To realize the value of one month >> Ask a mother who has given birth >> to a premature baby. >> >> To realize the value of one week: >> Ask an editor of a weekly newspaper. >> >> To realize the value of one hour: >> Ask the lover who are waiting to meet. >> >> To realize the value of one minute: >> Ask a person who has missed the >> train, bus or plane. >> >> To realize the value of one second: >> Ask a person who has survived an accident. >> >> To realize the value of a millisecond: >> Ask the person who has won a >> silver medal at the Olympics >> >> Time waits for no one. Treasure every >> important monment you have. You will >> treasure weven more when ou can >> share it with someone special. >> >> The origin of this letter is unknown, but >> it brings good luck to eveyone who >> passes it on. Do not keep this letter. >> Do not send money. Just forward it >> to five of your friends to whom you >> wish good luck. You will see >> something good happens to you >> four days from now. >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message