From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 8 12:43:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19265 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 12:43:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA19258 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 12:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from canul7@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19981108204233.21689.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.105.235.17] by send1d; Sun, 08 Nov 1998 12:42:33 PST Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 12:42:33 -0800 (PST) From: Canul Podkopayeva Subject: little prob To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would like to know if it is possible, with picobsd, to dial-up with a Cirrus Logic PnP PCI modem. (I doubt that its a winmodem because with linux cat /proc/pci showed me that it was detected) When I tried running preview2.bin it just spat crap. (could I have a bad configuration?) How can I run this binary? Where can I get the binary for bsd? I could store them on my DOS or Linux partitions and access them from this picobsd. (I've looked for the bins of *BSD but they're all, for example the base utils, archived up into one big file! I just need the basics like mknod etc.. Thank you for reading this request any help would be greatly appreciated. :-] _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 8 21:33:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12819 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:33:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12814 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:33:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA14848 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:32:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:32:53 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Coleman To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PicoBSD articles. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am looking for people to write articles about PicoBSD. I'd like to see PicoBSD represented in the Daemon News. I see PicoBSD starting to take on a life of its own, with its own source tree and such. I'd like to see more people become involved with it from the other BSD camps. I need a PicoBSD logo, and two or more people to write articles on a regular basis. Regular meaning every other month. Please respond to editor@daemonnews.org Send articles to aritcle@daemonnews.org Chris Coleman Daemon News Chief Editor. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 9 00:10:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26119 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:10:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25836 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:09:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26233; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 09:15:21 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 09:15:20 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Chris Coleman cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD articles. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 9 Nov 1998, Chris Coleman wrote: > I am looking for people to write articles about PicoBSD. I'd like to see > PicoBSD represented in the Daemon News. I see PicoBSD starting to take on > a life of its own, with its own source tree and such. I'd like to see > more people become involved with it from the other BSD camps. Great idea! I can write an article for start... but I doubt I could keep up the pace on regular basis... ;-) > I need a PicoBSD logo, and two or more people to write articles on a I've put one on the main page (www.freebsd.org/~picobsd) - this one is approved by McKusick :-). I also thought of some other versions of the little guy inside a VLSI chip, or something - but I'm not an artist... This logo was created by Albert Yang. Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 9 03:35:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17573 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 03:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.biella.alpcom.it (www.biella.alpcom.it [194.243.65.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17388 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 03:32:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it) Received: from biella.alpcom.it (www1.biella.alpcom.it [194.243.65.2]) by www.biella.alpcom.it (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA29507 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:31:34 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3646D0B0.55D997F5@biella.alpcom.it> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:23:29 +0100 From: Cristian Angelini Reply-To: chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PC/104 and picobsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi everybody ! It's some months I read this mailing list just because I use freebsd happily and with much satisfaction, mine and of my customer, and because I'm a lot curious in small systems and small PC. Now, we've been committed to develop a small device that may allow to communicate the position of medical personnel and relavite cars to a central server via GSM phone calls and in the future probably some GPS devices. I won't discuss the details of this work, what is important is that I read in the last months about some little PC embedded in single, small cards called pc/104. I soon realized that this could be a great opportunity to start using picobsd and that cards for something completely different that router setup and so on (what I do mainly now). In few words, something extremely interesting. What I need now it's some more information about the use of picobsd in a pc/104 environment. I read the info on the Mesa site, but I still lack some basic startup hints: what items should I buy to completely develop a prototype and so on. Are all the devices implemented on that cards (Flash IDE, ethernet,..) completely supported by picobsd ? May I install something like PPP on that cards ? Someone with more experience than me could tell me what kind of problems I could find with such a setup ? Some hints would be a great help :) Christian Angelini To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 9 05:00:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29107 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 05:00:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29101 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 05:00:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA18977; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:36:30 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:36:30 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Cristian Angelini cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 and picobsd In-Reply-To: <3646D0B0.55D997F5@biella.alpcom.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 9 Nov 1998, Cristian Angelini wrote: > Hi everybody ! Hi, > What I need now it's some more information about the use of picobsd in a > pc/104 environment. I read the info on the Mesa site, but I still lack > some basic startup hints: what items should I buy to completely develop > a prototype and so on. Are all the devices implemented on that cards > (Flash IDE, ethernet,..) completely supported by picobsd ? May I install > something like PPP on that cards ? > Some hints would be a great help :) Well, I don't have a first-hand experience with PC/104 (yet :-), but as far as I understand it picobsd will run on such boards without any problems. PC/104 bus looks like any other ISA bus to the system. The only caveats which come to my mind are: * the startup media: if it's going to be a flash disk, make sure it's either IDE flash disk, or DiskOnChip (M-Systems) - otherwise you won't be able to mount/write/read it, * Ethernet controller: FreeBSD 3.0 contains driver for CSxxxx based ethernet cards, which are commonly used in embedded designs. For other chips you must consult LINT very carefully. * you can use PPP, of course, if you have something which looks like a serial port - be it a modem, or a null-modem cable... * my experiments have shown that it's possible to run quite a number of relatively big processes (such as /bin/sh, a number of getty's, SNMP daemon, PPP) on a 386SX with 4MB RAM. YMMV, of course, but the amount of RAM is the critical issue, not the CPU power. One comment here, though: if you _really_ want to use 386 _SX_, you should assume that the kernel is stored uncompressed - decompression takes ca. 90 secs, and it gets boring... Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 9 06:39:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07989 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:39:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Tasha.STARDreams.org (maccess-01-030.magna.com.au [203.111.85.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07981 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hwg@stardreams.dyn.ml.org) Received: from EventHorizon (EventHorizon.STARDreams.org [10.144.144.1]) by Tasha.STARDreams.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA20786 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 09:39:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hwg@stardreams.dyn.ml.org) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981110013935.03c879c0@Tasha.STARDreams.org> X-Sender: hwg@Tasha.STARDreams.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:39:35 +1100 To: small@FreeBSD.ORG From: K Subject: Re: PC/104 and picobsd In-Reply-To: <3646D0B0.55D997F5@biella.alpcom.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:23 11/9/98 +0100, Cristian Angelini wrote: >What I need now it's some more information about the use of picobsd in a >pc/104 environment. I read the info on the Mesa site, but I still lack >some basic startup hints: what items should I buy to completely develop >a prototype and so on. Are all the devices implemented on that cards >(Flash IDE, ethernet,..) completely supported by picobsd ? May I install >something like PPP on that cards ? I've also been looking at PC/104 devices and the way I see it is that they're actually full PCs, just much smaller, and they should behave pretty much as normal. The specific board I've been looking at is made by Aaeon, the PCM-5894 http://www.aaeon.com/pcm5894.htm The onboard peripherals are pretty much standard, IDE, floppy, serial ports, parallel ports.. even USB connectors (although I'm sure we won't be using those for a while yet :) The Ethernet controller is the Realtek RTL8139, which recently had driver support added thanks to the programming of Bill Paul. There are so many interesting things you could do with PC/104 systems and mobile power units for vehicles and even aircraft (some markings in the PC/104 power supply photos I've seen lead me to believe they make aircraft models), you could concievably build a portable MP3 player which could take Zip drives, LS120 drives, or CDROMs (after booting off the DiskOnChip ROM which contains PicoBSD and amp or something similar).. or a micro-router, or more.. What I'm primarily interested in is putting PicoBSD on larger media, specifically Zips/LS120, something around 100-120MB, it'd take only 2MB of space and we'd have the rest for whatever we wanted to do.. I'm testing this out, more information as it comes up. My test rig isn't quite a PC/104 implementation, but all we need is proof of concept, then it can be almost transparently adapted for that role :) Right now I'm having a slight problem building PicoBSD with the latest sources and a full source tree. I just completed a full source cvsup moments ago, the problem is still there, apparently. An attempt to build the dialup floppy with all the defaults as come preconfigured in the source, using the build script in the build directory results in this : loading kernel rearranging symbols text data bss dec hex 925696 1716224 99324 2741244 29d3fc ====================== stage1 started ===================== -> Preparing kernel... -> Preparing MFS filesystem... bash-2.02# The kernel is compiled properly, stage1 starts properly, the preparing MFS message pops up then the script immediately drops back to the bash prompt. It didn't use to do this in 0.31, what am I doing wrong, has the build procedure changed so vastly since I last worked on it? :) -- K "Deliver yesterday, code today, think tomorrow." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 9 06:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09020 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:48:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw.start.nl (gw.start.nl [193.67.139.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08951; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:48:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ruigrjer@start.nl) Received: from start.nl (mail.start.nl [172.16.0.32]) by gw.start.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA16040; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:47:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ruigrjer@start.nl) Received: from HOOFDKANTOOR_START-Message_Server by start.nl with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:48:32 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:32:34 +0100 From: "Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven" To: editor@daemonnews.org Cc: abial@FreeBSD.ORG, small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hi Chris, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id GAA09015 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Chris, I hope ye don't mind me CC:-ing to the appropriate lists and persons... As far as I can tell you I recently approached the other BSD techlists with a kind request to look at our effort and whether or not they were busy on similar projects. I got one response back of someone who was doing it with his company, but that's all he wanted to say due to NDA's. I have received no further mails on the subject from OpenBSD nor from NetBSD. Well, Andrzej remains the principal architect for picoBSD, while the Whistle -boys (hi Terry et al.), some others and myself provide Andrzej with feedback, ideas, help and some day source... I guess Terry would make an excellent writer as well, and I would love to try my hand a technical writing as well... Hope this helps, Regards, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Infrastructure & Networks Start To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 9 12:57:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20614 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:57:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20609 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:57:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00855; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:55:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199811092055.MAA00855@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 and picobsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:23:29 +0100." <3646D0B0.55D997F5@biella.alpcom.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:55:52 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > What I need now it's some more information about the use of picobsd in a > pc/104 environment. I read the info on the Mesa site, but I still lack > some basic startup hints: what items should I buy to completely develop > a prototype and so on. Are all the devices implemented on that cards > (Flash IDE, ethernet,..) completely supported by picobsd ? May I install > something like PPP on that cards ? This has been pretty well covered; most PC-104 boards are just miniature PC systems. The PC-104 "bus' is just ISA on a different connector. > Someone with more experience than me could tell me what kind of problems > I could find with such a setup ? Your biggset problems will be: - Onboard flash is often board-specific. If you don't need much/any nonvolatile storage, this is fine - just boot a big ramdisk image. - The PC-104 form factor was designed by a complete idiot; the boards are hard to mount, there is no standard for interface connectors, and if you want more than one or two boards, you end up with a very large, dense block which can be very difficult to fit into your unit. (I have heard several tales of stacks of 10 or more boards.) Aside from that, you can do almost all your early prototype work with a standard PC, cutting over at the last minute and saving lots of time and effort. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 9 15:00:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03493 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:00:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03482 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:00:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA06328; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:05:55 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:05:54 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: K cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 and picobsd In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981110013935.03c879c0@Tasha.STARDreams.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, K wrote: > Right now I'm having a slight problem building PicoBSD with the latest > sources and a full source tree. I just completed a full source cvsup > moments ago, the problem is still there, apparently. > > An attempt to build the dialup floppy with all the defaults as come > preconfigured in the source, using the build script in the build directory > results in this : > > loading kernel > rearranging symbols > text data bss dec hex > 925696 1716224 99324 2741244 29d3fc > > ====================== stage1 started ===================== > -> Preparing kernel... > -> Preparing MFS filesystem... > bash-2.02# This looks like one of two cases: 1. you're not root when doing build, or 2. your vn device is either missing or already in use Add 'set -x' at the beginning of stage1 to see where exactly it's dying. > The kernel is compiled properly, stage1 starts properly, the preparing MFS > message pops up then the script immediately drops back to the bash prompt. > It didn't use to do this in 0.31, what am I doing wrong, has the build > procedure changed so vastly since I last worked on it? :) Yes. No. Who knows... ;-) Seriously, it didn't change that much. I can't check it at the moment (I'm preparing for a trip abroad), so I'd appreciate if someone could confirm/deny whether it's a real bug... Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 9 18:36:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28206 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:36:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Tasha.STARDreams.org (maccess-01-030.magna.com.au [203.111.85.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28192 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:36:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hwg@stardreams.dyn.ml.org) Received: from EventHorizon (EventHorizon.STARDreams.org [10.144.144.1]) by Tasha.STARDreams.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA22381; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:36:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hwg@stardreams.dyn.ml.org) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981110133610.03c99100@Tasha.STARDreams.org> X-Sender: hwg@Tasha.STARDreams.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:36:10 +1100 To: Andrzej Bialecki From: K Subject: Re: PC/104 and picobsd Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19981110013935.03c879c0@Tasha.STARDreams.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 00:05 11/10/98 +0100, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: >1. you're not root when doing build, or bash-2.02# ? ;) (the #) >2. your vn device is either missing or already in use Oooops! Sorry, I didn't realize that the vn driver wasn't compiled into the kernel (somehow forgot to include it in the configuration file when rebuilding my system).. >Seriously, it didn't change that much. I can't check it at the moment (I'm >preparing for a trip abroad), so I'd appreciate if someone could >confirm/deny whether it's a real bug... Nope, not a real bug, operator error. -- K "Deliver yesterday, code today, think tomorrow." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 10 00:44:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26814 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:44:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cnct.com (earth.cnct.com [165.254.118.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26670 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:44:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@cnct.com) From: jose@cnct.com Received: from localhost (jose@localhost) by cnct.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA21454; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 03:49:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 03:49:24 -0500 (EST) To: Mike Smith cc: chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it, small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 and picobsd In-Reply-To: <199811092055.MAA00855@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > - The PC-104 form factor was designed by a complete idiot; the boards > are hard to mount, there is no standard for interface connectors, > and if you want more than one or two boards, you end up with a very > large, dense block which can be very difficult to fit into your unit. > (I have heard several tales of stacks of 10 or more boards.) on many occasions, i've found that a small standard motherboard with a riser takes up less space and is cheaper than a pc-104 solution.. for a current fluff project, i'm using an isa 386 mb i picked up at a swap-meet that's 1/2" wider that a 16bit slot and 8" long, and loading it with 2" high isa cards (so far: i/o controller, video card, and nic, searching for a suitable soundcard right now :). it's not a riser or pc-104 solution, but the small dimensions of the mb along with the short isa cards make it ideal. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 10 00:54:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28027 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:54:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.biella.alpcom.it (www.biella.alpcom.it [194.243.65.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27635 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:51:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it) Received: from biella.alpcom.it (www1.biella.alpcom.it [194.243.65.2]) by www.biella.alpcom.it (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19852 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:51:08 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3647FC9C.2895EAAB@biella.alpcom.it> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:43:09 +0100 From: Cristian Angelini Reply-To: chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 and picobsd References: <199811092055.MAA00855@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > - The PC-104 form factor was designed by a complete idiot; the boards > are hard to mount, there is no standard for interface connectors, > and if you want more than one or two boards, you end up with a very > large, dense block which can be very difficult to fit into your unit. > (I have heard several tales of stacks of 10 or more boards.) There will be only two boards: the PC and a I/O board, probably some trick on the parallel i/f. Then a serial GSM modem, but this a completely different story, we're still looking for good products and I don't think that exist one in pc/104 format. > Aside from that, you can do almost all your early prototype work with a > standard PC, cutting over at the last minute and saving lots of time > and effort. Yes, that's why we're choosing a pc board instead of some strange cpu with emulators and so on. What I need is the second step, a near final prototype: let's suppose I buy the 4c27 from Mesa (or some other card, but that it's still the first in our list). It's all I need, beside some power source - I was thinking to a classic second hand pc power supply - or should I buy something else ? Christian Angelini To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Nov 14 09:26:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00213 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:26:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jazz.seychelles.net ([209.25.29.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00205 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:26:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from muditha@seychelles.net) Received: from ATLAS.seychelles.net ([209.25.29.11]) by jazz.seychelles.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA19701 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:26:09 +0400 (SCT) (envelope-from muditha@seychelles.net) Message-ID: <364DBB0E.55470DE2@seychelles.net> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:17:02 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pico 0.41 router X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am trying to configure the above as a router...is it true that there are some problems with 0.41? If so which version should I download and where from? thanx -- -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Seychelles Ltd Phone:304060 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@creole.seychelles.net :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Nov 14 12:24:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13139 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:24:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13128 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:24:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16812; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:29:07 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:29:07 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Muditha Gunatilake cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pico 0.41 router In-Reply-To: <364DBB0E.55470DE2@seychelles.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to configure the above as a router...is it true that there > are some problems with 0.41? If so which version should I download and > where from? Yes, it's true.. :-( The repository copy of the sources contains the fixes, but thus far I didn't have enough time to build and send the new images... I\m overworked. :-( Sorry, I'll do it soon, and I'll announce it on the list. Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message