From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 16 03:15:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22663 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:15:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22651 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.58.190]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA3FF8; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:14:53 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:19:08 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: picoBSD , Andrzej Bialecki Subject: Modular set-up Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, time to get some ideas flowing again ;) Biggest problem we now have is the maintenance of four versions instead of providing a modular set-up script/thinghy. I was discussing this with a friend of mine who is a freelance consultant for UNIX systems and he suggested m4. After some thinking about how and why, I think that this might be a good idea. This way we can provide the user with a frontend/menu in which he/she can select options which then result in the creation of a file which can build the necessary `package' into a workdir/picobsd/ and which is ready for tftp'ing/ftp'ing/cp'ing to the specified device. Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions/additions? --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 16 03:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22760 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:16:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22738; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:15:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.58.190]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA4060; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:15:27 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199811161103.MAA05530@mea.isim.univ-montp2.fr> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:19:38 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: MONTANER Patrick , picoBSD Subject: RE: Cc: freeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 16-Nov-98 MONTANER Patrick wrote: > > Can we program the network (TCP/IP) under PicoBSD ? (can we use functions > like > send, receive ...) > If so, how much memory do we need ? (we want to connect an embbeded PC on the > network and control the serials ports) picoBSD as of lately is 4 MB I thought (mayhaps Andrzej might want to correct me). Also picoBSD supports almost every networking function FreeBSD has. For info ye might want to review: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 16 06:23:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14990 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:23:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fw.tue.le (pC19F231F.dip.t-online.de [193.159.35.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14946 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:23:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thz@Lennartz-Electronic.DE) Received: from mezcal.tue.le (mezcal.tue.le [192.168.201.20]) by fw.tue.le (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01064 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:17:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from thz@mezcal.tue.le) Received: (from thz@localhost) by mezcal.tue.le (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21331 for small@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:17:27 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from thz) Message-ID: <19981116151726.A21210@tue.le> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:17:26 +0100 From: Thomas Zenker To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: "make" for small/modified systems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, is this forum for Pico only or for issues concerning all small FreeBSD derived systems? Anyway. I use FreeBSD for a relatively small (not as small as picoBSD :-) embedded system (around 12Mb binaries). Development tools and programs not really necessary to run and maintain a unix system are ripped off. To gain lots of space all programs on /, apart of sh, init and ldconfig, are linked against shared libs located in /lib. All the shared libraries, needed by the programs in /bin & /sbin are put there. This needs modifications in to crt.o, ld.so ... (speaking a.out so far) Now, to administer the changed parts and have the possibility to do "make world" independent of the standard source tree I have patched make to have the possibility to do a "three directories make": .CURDIR, .OBJDIR and sources in .SRCDIR This way I have duplicated the source tree hierarchie with the Makefiles and modified source files. This is my .CURDIR tree - the one where I do the make. .SRCDIR points to the corresponding dir in the source tree, so I have to change some of the references to ${.CURDIR} in the original Makefiles to ${.SRCDIR}. Source files in .CURDIR take precedence over the files in .SRCDIR allowing to maintain modified sources locally. .SRCDIR is set similar as .OBJDIR by environment variables. Is there anybody, who has done similar things or is interrested in discussing this. The patch to make is rather small, does no harm with the environment variables not set. If anybody is interrested, drop me a mail. cheers -- Thomas Zenker at work thz@lennartz-electronic.de private thz@tuebingen.netsurf.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 16 08:50:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00432 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:50:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00393 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07023; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:55:50 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:55:49 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai cc: picoBSD Subject: Re: Modular set-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > OK, time to get some ideas flowing again ;) > > Biggest problem we now have is the maintenance of four versions instead of > providing a modular set-up script/thinghy. > > I was discussing this with a friend of mine who is a freelance consultant for > UNIX systems and he suggested m4. > > After some thinking about how and why, I think that this might be a good idea. > This way we can provide the user with a frontend/menu in which he/she can > select options which then result in the creation of a file which can build the > necessary `package' into a workdir/picobsd/ and which is ready for > tftp'ing/ftp'ing/cp'ing to the specified device. > > Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions/additions? Yes (mainly thoughts & additions :-) As I see the direction of the picobsd in general, we should try to further integrate it with the release building system - which means, that we should concentrate on changing the presently used set of scripts to set of Makefiles, for example, not to mention the need to get rid of those abominable patches.... Then basing on this infrastructure, it could be much easier to write some utility to set up the floppy contents. As for the modularity itself: although we need a frontend to the building process, it's not the biggest difficulty. the main problem is that we don't have a way to place separate modules on the floppy instead of one big binary called "kernel". There should be a way to easily change the contents of the floppy, and with crunched binaries it's impossible. So, for me any way to build a frontend is suitable, as far as it doesn't require installing yet additional ports. If you can write it - that;s great. But let's do the transition to Makefiles first. Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 16 11:31:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25648 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:31:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25602 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:31:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.58.8]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA1DCA; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:30:42 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19981116151726.A21210@tue.le> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:35:07 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Thomas Zenker Subject: RE: "make" for small/modified systems Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 16-Nov-98 Thomas Zenker wrote: > Hi, Hello =) > is this forum for Pico only or for issues concerning all small > FreeBSD derived systems? All small derived systems... Although the picoBSD'ers use it as `their' playground ;) > Anyway. I use FreeBSD for a relatively small (not as small as > picoBSD :-) embedded system (around 12Mb binaries). Development > tools and programs not really necessary to run and maintain a unix > system are ripped off. To gain lots of space all programs on /, > apart of sh, init and ldconfig, are linked against shared libs > located in /lib. All the shared libraries, needed by the programs > in /bin & /sbin are put there. This needs modifications in to crt.o, > ld.so ... (speaking a.out so far) What ye do to the /etc and /dev entries in / ? Just curious... > Now, to administer the changed parts and have the possibility to do > "make world" independent of the standard source tree I have patched > make to have the possibility to do a "three directories make": > .CURDIR, .OBJDIR and sources in .SRCDIR Cool... If ye are cvsupping CURRENT, ye have no doubt seen the picobsd entry ;) At least ye have the makefiles *G* (Hey Andrzej, mayhaps we oughtta get him to work on the files ;) > This way I have duplicated the source tree hierarchie with the > Makefiles and modified source files. This is my .CURDIR tree - > the one where I do the make. .SRCDIR points to the corresponding > dir in the source tree, so I have to change some of the references > to ${.CURDIR} in the original Makefiles to ${.SRCDIR}. > > Source files in .CURDIR take precedence over the files in .SRCDIR > allowing to maintain modified sources locally. .SRCDIR is set similar > as .OBJDIR by environment variables. We simply link to CURRENT with our own sources afaik... =) > Is there anybody, who has done similar things or is interrested in > discussing this. The patch to make is rather small, does no harm > with the environment variables not set. If anybody is interrested, > drop me a mail. Well, I don't know if ye caught my mail, but I was suggesting some sort of modular set-up for picoBSD. Mayhaps ye like to colaborate? (Or we could try to convert him to `our' belief... Terry might want to try his seducing ways =P ) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 16 13:45:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18890 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18854; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:45:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07517; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:49:57 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:49:56 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai cc: MONTANER Patrick , picoBSD , freeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > On 16-Nov-98 MONTANER Patrick wrote: > > > > Can we program the network (TCP/IP) under PicoBSD ? (can we use functions > > like > > send, receive ...) > > If so, how much memory do we need ? (we want to connect an embbeded PC on the > > network and control the serials ports) > > picoBSD as of lately is 4 MB I thought (mayhaps Andrzej might want to correct > me). If you don\t keep your binaries on an MFS, you perhaps may go as low as 2MB, if your application very tightly controls its memory consumption. If you can have 4MB, you can actually run quite a number of things.. among them of course all of TCP/IP - FreeBSD will always contain IP support, unlike QNX where you have to buy it separately. Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 17 02:46:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22243 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:46:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from leo.webcorp.com.pl (leo.webcorp.com.pl [195.116.39.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA22205 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:45:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from .SirLancelot@rubikon.net.pl) Received: from -8-- (pppb107.rzeszow.tpnet.pl [195.205.250.107]) by leo.webcorp.com.pl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA26570 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:46:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000701be1217$38a15ec0$6bfacdc3@-8--> From: "SirLancelot" <.SirLancelot@rubikon.net.pl> To: Subject: Re: pico 0.41 router Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:49:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! >Yes, it's true.. :-( The repository copy of the sources contains the >fixes, but thus far I didn't have enough time to build and send the new >images... I\m overworked. :-( Sorry, I'll do it soon, and I'll announce it >on the list. > By the way, link to binary image is somehow broken. When I try to get it (from different hosts too) only 15kb downloads, after that I received errors and transmission stopped! -- __________________________ SirLancelot@rubikon.net.pl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 17 05:09:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09167 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:09:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09032 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:08:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.58.47]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5B01; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:08:31 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981112180219.009e8580@mail.ra.pae.osd.mil> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:13:04 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Matthew Patton Subject: Re: Small/embedded set-ups Cc: picoBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for not replying sooner, work and illness, etc... On 12-Nov-98 Matthew Patton wrote: > Maybe I should study what pico-bsd is doing but frankly I can get all I > really care to run (httpd/ftpd/sshd) off of a single floppy boot using the > standard distribution building tools. Purhaps you can fill me in on what > great benefit I'm missing? picoBSD is a step further than a single disk... Sure enough we can make a disk, but we're aiming at embedded systems (flash and the likes) or low-level (old) systems. The reason I addressed the OpenBSD and NetBSD lists is that we want picoBSD to be a combined effort and not simply yet another FreeBSD project, which could mean we would be missing some insights our fellow *BSD developers might have... If ye want to take a look: www.freebsd.org/~picobsd regards, --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 17 11:06:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25130 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:06:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (quartz.nbnet.nb.ca [198.164.200.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25120 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:06:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cameron.Lemon@asgtechnologies.com) Received: from asgtechnologies.com ([198.164.220.73]) by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 607-54382U75000L75000S0V35) with ESMTP id AAA17540 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:06:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3651CAE8.122DEF4C@asgtechnologies.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:13:44 -0400 From: Cameron Lemon Organization: Atlantic Systems Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A06352482D803AD53CCAB46E" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A06352482D803AD53CCAB46E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit subscribe --------------A06352482D803AD53CCAB46E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="Cameron.Lemon.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Cameron Lemon Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Cameron.Lemon.vcf" begin:vcard n:Lemon;Cameron tel;fax:506.460.5411 tel;work:506.460.5400 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.asgtechnologies.com org:Atlantic Systems Group;Professional Services version:2.1 email;internet:Cameron.Lemon@asgtechnologies.com title:Systems & Network Architect adr;quoted-printable:;;Garland Court=0D=0AIncuTech Centre;Fredericton;New Brunswick;E3B 6C2;Canada fn:Cameron Lemon end:vcard --------------A06352482D803AD53CCAB46E-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 18 16:24:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10194 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:24:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ganymede.or.intel.com (ganymede.or.intel.com [134.134.248.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10171 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:23:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steven.s.bateman@intel.com) Received: from orsmsx29.jf.intel.com (orsmsx29.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.29]) by ganymede.or.intel.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07779 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:23:30 GMT Received: by ORSMSX29 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:23:30 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Bateman, Steven S" To: "'freebsd-small@freebsd.org'" Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:23:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Nov 20 17:52:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21672 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:52:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21666 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:52:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (ppp-109-176.mtl.aei.ca [207.107.109.176]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21474 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:52:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36561C92.9C726E04@aei.ca> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:51:14 -0500 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Minimal Install vs User Install on na 486 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I finaly got that school project! http://www.lowrent.org/freebsd/malartre/lada.html It's in french but you can read that I called it "The Lada Porject" :-) I have requested a 486, 400 mo of space and 32 meg of ram. I don't know how much space/ram the school will give me for now. I will set it has a server. It will do various function: e-mail, http, ftp, telnet(eventually ssh, when I will take the time to learn it). It won't have a screen/keyboard after the first install. 1) How big is the minimal install? I did go through /stand/sysinstall on this system and in the FAQ/Handbook, but I didn't find info on how big it was. 2) How big is the User Install 3) Would the minimal install do all the job I want? 4) What's not in the minimal install? 5) Would PicoBSD be faster? I can mount a swap partition. Also, they have a lot of 486 who are in a closed room and who do nothing. I'm sure that's waiting for another project :-) Maybe a distributed system? Thank You -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.lowrent.org/freebsd/malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Nov 20 23:21:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19029 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:21:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19022 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.58.107]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA954; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 07:21:11 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <36561C92.9C726E04@aei.ca> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 08:25:47 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Malartre Subject: RE: Minimal Install vs User Install on na 486 Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21-Nov-98 Malartre wrote: > Hi all, I finaly got that school project! Weeeeeeeeeeeeee! Way to go ;) > http://www.lowrent.org/freebsd/malartre/lada.html > It's in french but you can read that I called it "The Lada Porject" :-) > I have requested a 486, 400 mo of space and 32 meg of ram. Lada Project? Ye referring to the cars? > I don't know how much space/ram the school will give me for now. I will > set it has a server. It will do various function: e-mail, http, ftp, > telnet(eventually ssh, when I will take the time to learn it). It won't > have a screen/keyboard after the first install. Hmmm... OK, could be done... > 1) How big is the minimal install? I did go through /stand/sysinstall on > this system and in the FAQ/Handbook, but I didn't find info on how big > it was. View this, my / is 256 MB and its capacity is 9% ;) /usr is near 2 GB due to cvsup and packages and is at 40 % So I guess ye can go a long way with 400 MB. Problem being only when ye will start to proxy the thing... > 2) How big is the User Install 40 MB? I'm taking a wild guess here. > 3) Would the minimal install do all the job I want? Well, the sources and packages are the biggest problem regarding space. So I would say that binaries only would suffice to do all ye need to do. > 4) What's not in the minimal install? Sources, X... > 5) Would PicoBSD be faster? I can mount a swap partition. picoBSD differs only from FreeBSD in that it's kernel and binaries are crunched. And in some of the set-up (for now at least). > Also, they have a lot of 486 who are in a closed room and who do > nothing. I'm sure that's waiting for another project :-) OMG, he's on a rampage ;) > Maybe a distributed system? Could be, but with what gain? I would go for a proxy/firewall first ;) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Nov 21 10:42:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08233 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:42:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08226 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:42:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (ppp-110-105.mtl.aei.ca [207.107.110.105]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15530; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:41:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36570922.56E2387E@aei.ca> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:40:34 -0500 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai CC: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minimal Install vs User Install on na 486 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > On 21-Nov-98 Malartre wrote: > > Hi all, I finaly got that school project! > > Weeeeeeeeeeeeee! Way to go ;) > > > http://www.lowrent.org/freebsd/malartre/lada.html > > It's in french but you can read that I called it "The Lada Porject" :-) > > I have requested a 486, 400 mo of space and 32 meg of ram. > > Lada Project? Ye referring to the cars? > > > I don't know how much space/ram the school will give me for now. I will > > set it has a server. It will do various function: e-mail, http, ftp, > > telnet(eventually ssh, when I will take the time to learn it). It won't > > have a screen/keyboard after the first install. > > Hmmm... OK, could be done... > > > 1) How big is the minimal install? I did go through /stand/sysinstall on > > this system and in the FAQ/Handbook, but I didn't find info on how big > > it was. > > View this, my / is 256 MB and its capacity is 9% ;) > /usr is near 2 GB due to cvsup and packages and is at 40 % > > So I guess ye can go a long way with 400 MB. Problem being only when ye will > start to proxy the thing... > > > 2) How big is the User Install > > 40 MB? I'm taking a wild guess here. > > > 3) Would the minimal install do all the job I want? > > Well, the sources and packages are the biggest problem regarding space. So I > would say that binaries only would suffice to do all ye need to do. > > > 4) What's not in the minimal install? > > Sources, X... > > > 5) Would PicoBSD be faster? I can mount a swap partition. > > picoBSD differs only from FreeBSD in that it's kernel and binaries are > crunched. And in some of the set-up (for now at least). > > > Also, they have a lot of 486 who are in a closed room and who do > > nothing. I'm sure that's waiting for another project :-) > > OMG, he's on a rampage ;) > > > Maybe a distributed system? > > Could be, but with what gain? I would go for a proxy/firewall first ;) > > --- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai > asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, > Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur > *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... Yup, the Lada car. It will be cheap like the reputation of that car ;-) Ok, so if I use the "minimal" install, I guess I won't have the source so I simply cvsup it if I wan't to makeworld? I don't really want to makeworld on a 486, but if I need to upgrade :-) Thank You -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.lowrent.org/freebsd/malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Nov 21 15:50:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03318 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03313 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Jochen.Solbrig@urz.uni-heidelberg.de) Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21106 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:49:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from aixterm11.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (fk1@aixterm11.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.51]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA129564 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:49:39 +0100 Received: (from fk1@localhost) by aixterm11.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id AAA41444 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:49:36 +0100 (CET) From: Jochen Solbrig Message-Id: <199811212349.AAA41444@aixterm11.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Subject: cons25 error (picobsd) To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:49:35 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello! i just installed picobsd 0.41 (dialup), set up networking via an ethernet and tried to telnet into an aix server on the network. when calling elm on the aix system i got the termcap error "can't find termcap entry for cons25". first i checked /etc/ttys on the picobsd floppy which contained all the cons25 entries but i found out that the termcap file on the aix system didn't contain any cons25 entry. i then set the TERM variable to "vt100" and it worked. (though there are still some errors). a little bit confusing is that telnet -e vt100 breaks while entering the password on the aix system. what is going on there and what can i do ? thanks, jochen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message