From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Feb 22 12:15:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03270 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 12:15:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03262 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 12:15:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from StevenR362@aol.com) From: StevenR362@aol.com Received: from StevenR362@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id HEEDa20648 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:14:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41b1c3da.34f0870e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:14:01 EST To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Deadlock/Disk wedge on yesterday's SMP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been trying to complete a make world on yesterday's current with a smp kernel. The machine seems to wedge on disk activity. It compiles for 10-20 minutes and then no longer touches the disks. The machine is still ping-able and you can switch vty's and a "top" is still running on one vty. The top program still responds to keystrokes but I can't login on another vty or over the network. I have completed two make worlds on friday's current with a unikernel and had wanted to try the worldstone on a smp kernel for benchmarking. So I beleive the new hardware is fine. The hardware is a Tyan Tomcat IV with two identical stepping P5-200 MMX's and 32 MB EDO with / and /usr on a NEC 1.7 GB IDE disk on wdc0,wd0 DMA 32 bit multiblock 16 and /usr/obj symlinked to /spare on a WDC 850 MB disk on wdc1,wd2 32bit multiblock 16 mounted sync,noatime. Additional hardware, one floppy, one diamond stealth trio64 card and a torisan/sanyo atapi cdrom mounted as slave with the WDC 850 drive on the secondary ide controller and finally an ed1 ethernet card. The config file is basically SMP-GENERIC with all the scsi and other nonpresent hardware ripped out. I do have DDB compiled in but don't know how to break into it from the keyboard. The running "top" shows top as running, two make's in select and everything else in wait. Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Feb 23 03:59:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA28192 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 03:59:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bird.te.rl.ac.uk (bird.te.rl.ac.uk [130.246.19.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA28163 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 03:58:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Received: from rcru.rl.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bird.te.rl.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00780 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:58:10 GMT (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Message-Id: <199802231158.LAA00780@bird.te.rl.ac.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SMP success on W6-LI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:58:10 +0000 From: Mark Blackman Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just a quick note for the mail archives to say that SMP from 3.0-122597-SNAP works brilliantly for me on a Micronics W6-LI Motherboard (builtin-SCSI (7880) but no sound) 128MB RAM 2 x 200 PPro (overclocked from 180) I did, however, have to flash a new version of the BIOS and go from 4.05 --> 4.06 so that the interrupt assignments were handled properly. (see http://www.micronics.com). to the appropriate coders, I owe you several drinks. Let the Bessel functions begin... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Feb 23 09:35:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04701 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:35:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (web4.rocketmail.com [205.180.57.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04695 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:35:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikesta@rocketmail.com) Message-ID: <19980223173232.10327.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [12.70.40.86] by web4; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:32:32 PST Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:32:32 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Vlassis Subject: Has anyone tried running FreeBSD on a dual pII motherboard? To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone tried running FreeBSD on a dual pII motherboard, like the supermicro or asus or tyan motherboards? Mike _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Feb 23 09:48:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06411 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:48:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (root@[209.54.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06406 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral-gw (mjacob@gw100.feral.com [192.67.166.129]) by feral.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA19084; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:47:17 -0800 Message-ID: <34F1B625.40E3CE2C@feral.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:47:17 -0800 From: Matthew Jacob Organization: Feral Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Vlassis CC: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Has anyone tried running FreeBSD on a dual pII motherboard? References: <19980223173232.10327.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, the SuperMicro P6NDH (which is a dual PPro, not Dual PII). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Feb 23 13:47:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19531 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:47:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from irbs.irbs.com (irbs.irbs.com [209.36.62.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19509 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:47:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jc@irbs.com) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15351; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:46:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980223164652.02528@irbs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:46:52 -0500 From: John Capo To: Michael Vlassis , smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Has anyone tried running FreeBSD on a dual pII motherboard? References: <19980223173232.10327.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980223173232.10327.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>; from Michael Vlassis on Mon, Feb 23, 1998 at 09:32:32AM -0800 X-Organization: IRBS Engineering, (954) 463-3771 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The Supermicro P6DLF presents a few challenges. :-( Serach the mail archive for: SMP results with a P6DLF and 686DLX John Capo Quoting Michael Vlassis (mikesta@rocketmail.com): > > Has anyone tried running FreeBSD on a dual pII > motherboard, like the supermicro or asus or tyan > motherboards? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Feb 23 18:04:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13858 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:04:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13841 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:04:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from StevenR362@aol.com) From: StevenR362@aol.com Received: from StevenR362@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id HEGa016134 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:56:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <71647c7a.34f22926@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:56:13 EST To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Deadlock/Disk wedge on yesterday's SMP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry about replying to my own posting but then no one else has :) I figured out how to break into DDB and from a ps within DDB everything that is deadlocked is in one of the following states wmesg wchan vmwait f0223968 cc1 8 copies, find, getty 2 copies,moused,cron,named sendmail,inetd,update,swapper,syslogd or wait f44fxxxx & f46cxxxx sh,as,cc with xxxx being slightly different for each one. I can actually continue from DDB and the top program still continues to run so the kernel is still working but everything else is frozen and the disks can not be accessed. If there is anything that anyone would have me do from within DDB let me know soon. Otherwise, I will reboot the system Tuesday night. Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Feb 23 22:18:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14942 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14937 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:18:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA23309; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:18:13 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199802240618.IAA23309@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: Has anyone tried running FreeBSD on a dual pII motherboard? In-Reply-To: <19980223173232.10327.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> from Michael Vlassis at "Feb 23, 98 09:32:32 am" To: mikesta@rocketmail.com (Michael Vlassis) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:18:13 +0200 (SAT) Cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Has anyone tried running FreeBSD on a dual pII > motherboard, like the supermicro or asus or tyan > motherboards? I have an Asus P2L97-DS with two 266MHz PII's running current with no problems.... Well the clock did run a little quick over the weekend, but Bruce found that bug and it wasn't really SMP related. The machine is doing two simultaneous "make release" each night, one for -current and one for -stable and it has been very stable. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 02:04:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08855 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 02:04:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08849 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 02:04:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01613 for smp@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:04:10 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199802241004.LAA01613@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: mpfps Base Table HOSED! To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:03:45 +0100 (MET) From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've just updated the BIOS on my TYAN 1662D board to 4.0E with NCR SCSI extensions, and this is what I'm told: PANIC: mpfps Base Table HOSED! This is because there is some new entries in the tabel with type # 176 and the system doesn't understand those (mp_machdep.c). I've temporarily disabled the panic for those values and the system runs without problems... Any ideas of what those values mean ?? Should we let them pass without panic'ing ?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 03:21:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA19807 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 03:21:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bird.te.rl.ac.uk (bird.te.rl.ac.uk [130.246.19.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA19795 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 03:21:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Received: from rcru.rl.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bird.te.rl.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03913 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:21:14 GMT (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Message-Id: <199802241121.LAA03913@bird.te.rl.ac.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP success on W6-LI In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:58:10 GMT." <199802231158.LAA00780@bird.te.rl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:21:14 +0000 From: Mark Blackman Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Just a quick note for the mail archives to say that SMP > from 3.0-122597-SNAP works brilliantly for me on a > > Micronics W6-LI Motherboard (builtin-SCSI (7880) but no sound) > 128MB RAM > 2 x 200 PPro (overclocked from 180) > > I did, however, have to flash a new version of the BIOS and > go from 4.05 --> 4.06 so that the interrupt assignments > were handled properly. (see http://www.micronics.com). > Forgot to mention that that the 4.06 Phoenix BIOS won't let me boot FreeBSD from either the IDE or SCSI hard drive, so I'm compelled to use the floppy just to get things kicked off. This Phoenix BIOS boot problem has been alluded to in a couple of the other mail messages on some of the other lists. It's an annoyance but a tolerable one. Mark Blackman Radio Communications Research Unit Rutherford-Appleton Lab. Didcot Oxfordshire UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 05:46:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07974 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:46:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA07956 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:46:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA15456; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:42:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802241342.FAA15456@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mark Blackman cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP success on W6-LI In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:21:14 GMT." <199802241121.LAA03913@bird.te.rl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:42:50 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Forgot to mention that that the 4.06 Phoenix BIOS won't let me boot > FreeBSD from either the IDE or SCSI hard drive, so I'm compelled > to use the floppy just to get things kicked off. This Phoenix > BIOS boot problem has been alluded to in a couple of the > other mail messages on some of the other lists. It's an > annoyance but a tolerable one. On the previous occasion, the problem was with the Intel AL440LX board; they claim to have a fix in production. You may want to agitate Micronics to see if they plan to update their BIOS. The bug is in violation of one of the fundamental standards that governs boot time operations on PC systems; I can forward you the mail I exchanged with Intel over this issue if you have a mind to pursue it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 06:16:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11115 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:16:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bird.te.rl.ac.uk (bird.te.rl.ac.uk [130.246.19.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11099 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:16:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Received: from rcru.rl.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bird.te.rl.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04419; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:14:20 GMT (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Message-Id: <199802241414.OAA04419@bird.te.rl.ac.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP success on W6-LI In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:42:50 PST." <199802241342.FAA15456@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:14:19 +0000 From: Mark Blackman Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Forgot to mention that that the 4.06 Phoenix BIOS won't let me boot > > FreeBSD from either the IDE or SCSI hard drive, so I'm compelled > > to use the floppy just to get things kicked off. This Phoenix > > BIOS boot problem has been alluded to in a couple of the > > other mail messages on some of the other lists. It's an > > annoyance but a tolerable one. > > On the previous occasion, the problem was with the Intel AL440LX board; > they claim to have a fix in production. You may want to agitate > Micronics to see if they plan to update their BIOS. The bug is in > violation of one of the fundamental standards that governs boot time > operations on PC systems; I can forward you the mail I exchanged with > Intel over this issue if you have a mind to pursue it. I remember seeing some of those messages on -chat a while ago. This refers to the same problem then? If it's a straightforward question of irrefutably saying to Phoenix/Micronics "your BIOS violates agreed standard X" then I'll pursue it. I can pester for weeks without even trying hard. :) I'd really rather have a machine that boots up properly. The messages I referred to was one where jkh pointed out that he had a laptop that needed to be booted via floppy, but if it's all the same disease that's handy to know. Mark Blackman Radio Communications Research Unit Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory Didcot Oxfordshire UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 10:16:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11330 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:16:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from odd.qualcomm.com (odd.qualcomm.com [129.46.2.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11323 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from t_sritte@qualcomm.com) Received: from t-sritte (t-sritte.qualcomm.com [129.46.151.245]) by odd.qualcomm.com (8.8.5/1.4/8.7.2/1.14) with SMTP id KAA14163 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:15:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980224101505.00a26740@happy.qualcomm.com> X-Sender: t_sritte@happy.qualcomm.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:15:05 -0800 To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Stephen Ritter Subject: ASUS P2L97DS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (Note: this was previously posted to -hardware, several people suggested I post it here.) Hello, I am fairly new to FreeBSD (a linux convert!) and would like to know if any of you have experience putting together a machine using the ASUS P2L97DS motherboard? I would like to build a machine which would initially only have one PII300 on the board, but eventually I would add the second. My questions: 1) Will this board work with FreeBSD SMP? 2) Will the FreeBSD kernel be able to detect/use the on-board SCSI controller? 3) Does anyone on this group have experience with this board or ASUS in general? Thanks in advance for any information!! P.S. If my questions can be answered in a FAQ somewhere please let me know (i.e. RTFM is a perfectly good answer). ----------------------------------------------------------- Stephen Ritter t_sritte@qualcomm.com (619)658-3601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 11:01:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17043 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:01:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16904; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:01:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00331; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:01:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802241901.MAA00331@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mpfps Base Table HOSED! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:03:45 +0100." <199802241004.LAA01613@sos.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:01:20 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA16957 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > > I've just updated the BIOS on my TYAN 1662D board to 4.0E with > NCR SCSI extensions, and this is what I'm told: > > PANIC: mpfps Base Table HOSED! > > This is because there is some new entries in the tabel with type # 176 > and the system doesn't understand those (mp_machdep.c). > I've temporarily disabled the panic for those values and the system > runs without problems... > Any ideas of what those values mean ?? > Should we let them pass without panic'ing ?? I just searched the Intel site, nothing newer than MPspec 1.4 there. Page 4-6 of the 1-4 spec lists the legal types, and says "All other type codes are reserved". So if we want to be correct this should probably be handled as a "rogue hardware" situation till we have reason to believe otherwise. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 11:17:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19579 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:17:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19520 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:16:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.7) id VAA14478; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:16:13 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199802241916.VAA14478@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980224101505.00a26740@happy.qualcomm.com> from Stephen Ritter at "Feb 24, 98 10:15:05 am" To: t_sritte@qualcomm.com (Stephen Ritter) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:16:13 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hello, I am fairly new to FreeBSD (a linux convert!) and would like to know > if any of you have experience putting together a machine using the ASUS > P2L97DS motherboard? I would like to build a machine which would initially > only have one PII300 on the board, but eventually I would add the second. > > My questions: > > 1) Will this board work with FreeBSD SMP? Yes, no problems for me with a dual 266MHz PII. > 2) Will the FreeBSD kernel be able to detect/use the on-board SCSI controller? Yes, I have a wide and 2 narrow devices attached to it. > 3) Does anyone on this group have experience with this board or ASUS in > general? Just remember to enable MP 1.4 in the CMOS setup. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 11:27:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20683 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:27:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20663; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:26:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from smp@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00440; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:26:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802241926.MAA00440@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mpfps Base Table HOSED! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:08:13 +0100." <199802241908.UAA00375@sos.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:26:29 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA20671 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > In reply to Steve Passe who wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > I've just updated the BIOS on my TYAN 1662D board to 4.0E with > > > NCR SCSI extensions, and this is what I'm told: > > > > > > PANIC: mpfps Base Table HOSED! > > > > > > This is because there is some new entries in the tabel with type # 176 > > > and the system doesn't understand those (mp_machdep.c). > > > I've temporarily disabled the panic for those values and the system > > > runs without problems... > > > Any ideas of what those values mean ?? > > > Should we let them pass without panic'ing ?? > > > > I just searched the Intel site, nothing newer than MPspec 1.4 there. > > Page 4-6 of the 1-4 spec lists the legal types, and says "All other type > > codes are reserved". So if we want to be correct this should probably > > be handled as a "rogue hardware" situation till we have reason to believe > > otherwise. > > Well, I've put in a case for 176 to just ignore that value, the system > is rock stable still, so its not of much importance... > Is there any precedence on how we handle these, by config option ?? Traditionally I've used config options, perhaps 'IGNORE_MPTABLE_176' would be good. Then document it in LINT in the SMP section. At the very least I would want an informational message to come out to the console about "ignoring invalid MPtable entry: #xx: during boot if this goes into the tree. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 11:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21159 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:32:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21074; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:31:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00456; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:31:29 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199802241931.UAA00456@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: mpfps Base Table HOSED! In-Reply-To: <199802241926.MAA00440@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> from Steve Passe at "Feb 24, 98 12:26:29 pm" To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:31:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Steve Passe who wrote: > > > > > > > > This is because there is some new entries in the tabel with type # 176 > > > > and the system doesn't understand those (mp_machdep.c). > > > > I've temporarily disabled the panic for those values and the system > > > > runs without problems... > > > > Any ideas of what those values mean ?? > > > > Should we let them pass without panic'ing ?? > > > > > > I just searched the Intel site, nothing newer than MPspec 1.4 there. > > > Page 4-6 of the 1-4 spec lists the legal types, and says "All other type > > > codes are reserved". So if we want to be correct this should probably > > > be handled as a "rogue hardware" situation till we have reason to believe > > > otherwise. > > > > Well, I've put in a case for 176 to just ignore that value, the system > > is rock stable still, so its not of much importance... > > Is there any precedence on how we handle these, by config option ?? > > Traditionally I've used config options, perhaps 'IGNORE_MPTABLE_176' > would be good. Then document it in LINT in the SMP section. Well, I'll keep it in my tree for now, lets see if it shows up on other systems. In the meantime I'll try to find out what its there for... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 11:34:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21436 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:34:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21398; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:34:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00375; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:08:13 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199802241908.UAA00375@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: mpfps Base Table HOSED! In-Reply-To: <199802241901.MAA00331@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> from Steve Passe at "Feb 24, 98 12:01:20 pm" To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:08:13 +0100 (MET) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Steve Passe who wrote: > Hi, > > > > I've just updated the BIOS on my TYAN 1662D board to 4.0E with > > NCR SCSI extensions, and this is what I'm told: > > > > PANIC: mpfps Base Table HOSED! > > > > This is because there is some new entries in the tabel with type # 176 > > and the system doesn't understand those (mp_machdep.c). > > I've temporarily disabled the panic for those values and the system > > runs without problems... > > Any ideas of what those values mean ?? > > Should we let them pass without panic'ing ?? > > I just searched the Intel site, nothing newer than MPspec 1.4 there. > Page 4-6 of the 1-4 spec lists the legal types, and says "All other type > codes are reserved". So if we want to be correct this should probably > be handled as a "rogue hardware" situation till we have reason to believe > otherwise. Well, I've put in a case for 176 to just ignore that value, the system is rock stable still, so its not of much importance... Is there any precedence on how we handle these, by config option ?? Wonder if it is Award or TYAN that decided that this should be changed. BTW: at bios V3.03 the CPU&APIC was found in the order 1-0-2, now they are ordered 0-1-2, so they did change some of the SMP stuff... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 12:29:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00808 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:29:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from intrail.de (image19.all.de [195.35.6.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00791 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:29:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kwcom.in-berlin.de!kwcom.in-berlin.de!matthaei@kwcom1.in-berlin.de) Received: from kwcom1.in-berlin.de (uucp@localhost) by intrail.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id VAA17180; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:28:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from kwcom.in-berlin.de by kwcom1.in-berlin.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0y7RUk-000HBpC; Tue, 24 Feb 98 21:02 GMT Received: from kwcom.in-berlin.de by kwcom.in-berlin.de with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0y7Coo-000aYzC; Tue, 24 Feb 98 05:22 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980223173232.10327.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:22:14 -0000 (GMT) From: Olaf Matthaei To: Michael Vlassis Subject: RE: Has anyone tried running FreeBSD on a dual pII motherboard? Cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 23-Feb-98 Michael Vlassis wrote: > > Has anyone tried running FreeBSD on a dual pII > motherboard, like the supermicro or asus or tyan > motherboards? MSI 6114 with 2x PII 23 MHz, running since 20 days. No scsi or sound onboard, 2 slots for ISA, 4 PCI, 4 SDRAM. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 14:55:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27468 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:55:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fxp0.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27455 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:55:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 13130 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Feb 1998 21:15:18 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-021598 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199802241121.LAA03913@bird.te.rl.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:15:18 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mark Blackman Subject: Re: SMP success on W6-LI Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 24-Feb-98 Mark Blackman wrote: ... > Forgot to mention that that the 4.06 Phoenix BIOS won't let me boot > FreeBSD from either the IDE or SCSI hard drive, so I'm compelled > to use the floppy just to get things kicked off. This Phoenix > BIOS boot problem has been alluded to in a couple of the > other mail messages on some of the other lists. It's an > annoyance but a tolerable one. Did you try to low-level format the drives? The cause is too sinister to verbalize. Try to swap drives beween machines too. Hint: BIOS-MBR-M$ Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 15:08:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29868 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:08:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29837 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:07:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16863; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:05:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802242305.PAA16863@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: Mark Blackman , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP success on W6-LI In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:15:18 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:05:35 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On 24-Feb-98 Mark Blackman wrote: > > ... > > > Forgot to mention that that the 4.06 Phoenix BIOS won't let me boot > > FreeBSD from either the IDE or SCSI hard drive, so I'm compelled > > to use the floppy just to get things kicked off. This Phoenix > > BIOS boot problem has been alluded to in a couple of the > > other mail messages on some of the other lists. It's an > > annoyance but a tolerable one. > > Did you try to low-level format the drives? > > The cause is too sinister to verbalize. Try to swap drives beween machines > too. Hint: BIOS-MBR-M$ The problem here is most likely actually a known bug in the Phoenix BIOS core where they fail to correctly initialise the register which holds the BIOS drive ID of the boot device. Because FreeBSD is one of the few operating systems that actually supports booting any disk using the same bootblock, this causes some problems. Especially when the value that is erroneously inserted is 0 (BIOS drive ID for the floppy). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 15:16:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02490 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fxp0.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA02472 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 17201 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Feb 1998 23:22:42 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-021598 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199802242305.PAA16863@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:22:42 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: SMP success on W6-LI Cc: Mark Blackman , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 24-Feb-98 Mike Smith wrote: >> >> On 24-Feb-98 Mark Blackman wrote: >> >> ... >> >> > Forgot to mention that that the 4.06 Phoenix BIOS won't let me boot >> > FreeBSD from either the IDE or SCSI hard drive, so I'm compelled >> > to use the floppy just to get things kicked off. This Phoenix >> > BIOS boot problem has been alluded to in a couple of the >> > other mail messages on some of the other lists. It's an >> > annoyance but a tolerable one. >> >> Did you try to low-level format the drives? >> >> The cause is too sinister to verbalize. Try to swap drives beween >> machines >> too. Hint: BIOS-MBR-M$ > > The problem here is most likely actually a known bug in the Phoenix > BIOS core where they fail to correctly initialise the register which > holds the BIOS drive ID of the boot device. > > Because FreeBSD is one of the few operating systems that actually > supports booting any disk using the same bootblock, this causes some > problems. > > Especially when the value that is erroneously inserted is 0 (BIOS drive > ID for the floppy). This is another problem than what I was thinking about. I was thinking about where the BIOS declares (silently) the MBR to be R/O, and only boots Win95, unless you zap the MBR. ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 15:20:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03665 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:20:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03638 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16968; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:17:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802242317.PAA16968@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: Mike Smith , Mark Blackman , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP success on W6-LI In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:22:42 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:17:56 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This is another problem than what I was thinking about. I was thinking > about where the BIOS declares (silently) the MBR to be R/O, and only boots > Win95, unless you zap the MBR. Fortunately, the BIOS has no say in the matter while FreeBSD is running. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 15:26:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04637 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:26:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fxp0.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04630 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:26:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 17742 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Feb 1998 23:32:55 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-021598 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199802242317.PAA16968@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:32:55 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: SMP success on W6-LI Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG, Mark Blackman Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 24-Feb-98 Mike Smith wrote: >> This is another problem than what I was thinking about. I was thinking >> about where the BIOS declares (silently) the MBR to be R/O, and only >> boots >> Win95, unless you zap the MBR. > > Fortunately, the BIOS has no say in the matter while FreeBSD is running. Me and my futile attempts to be brief; We had a case where installing FreeBSD on a machine would succeed perfectly well except that upon re-boot, the MBR would still try to boot Win95, find FreeBSD instead and barf. The short version of it is that there is some protection in the BIOS against trying to install non-M$ operating system in the machine. This was confirmed by the vendor's support and empirically by swapping drives, or LL format, both which succeed in confusing the check; Turns out there is some signature in the MBR that the BIOS records when first encountering the disk. The excuse is virus protection, but the reality is that even with ``Virus Protection''' OFF, the feature is still alive. I hesitate to quote names here as this is a major little-i partner and I do not have the proof in my hand anymore. ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 15:33:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06103 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:33:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eagle.ais.net (adoane@eagle.ais.net [199.0.154.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06095 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:33:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adoane@eagle.ais.net) Received: (from adoane@localhost) by eagle.ais.net (8.8.8/AIS) id RAA29661; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:33:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Andrew J. Doane" Message-Id: <199802242333.RAA29661@eagle.ais.net> Subject: Dual proc PII MB of choice? To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:33:07 -0600 (CST) Cc: adoane@eagle.ais.net (Andrew J. Doane) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone have any suggestions as to the motherboard of choice for dual PII under fbsd? I'm looking at: 1. ASUS P2L97-DS Has older AIC-7880 chipset, should be 2940UW compatible, and work w/fbsd out of the box. I've had ASUS boards before and did have problems. Have they improved over the past year? Comments? 2. Super Micro D6DLS I read from the verious newsgroups that Super Micro boards may have problem w/SMP and fbsd. I also have no personal experience with super micro MBs. It also has the older AIC-7880. Comments? 3. Tyan S1696DLUA Uses the AIC-7895 which I've had conflicting reports on fbsd support. One person said no, while another said it was beta within the cam scsi drivers and had it working on this very board. Its a nice motherboard; it gives you two ultra wide buses AND a narrow bus. The only thing I've found in the manual that I don't like is that it appears you cannot independantly set the CPU and bus speeds (for overclocking). You can on the ASUS and Super Micro. The Tyan supports SPD (Serial Presence Detect) which the ASUS and Super Micro make no reference of. Nice for proper RAM timing configuration. Comments? Anyone tried one of these boards and ditched it for another? Thanks, /ajd/ -- _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Andrew J. Doane _/ _/ _/ _/ Director, Network Operations _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ American Information Systems, Inc. _/ _/ _/ _/ Email: adoane@ais.net, http://www.ais.net _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ (312) 255-8500 Voice, (312) 255-8501 Fax For my PGP public key, email me with the subject "pgp request" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 16:18:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14146 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:18:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user5741@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA14124 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:18:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 25 Feb 1998 00:26:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:26:37 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: "Andrew J. Doane" cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG, "Andrew J. Doane" Subject: Re: Dual proc PII MB of choice? In-Reply-To: <199802242333.RAA29661@eagle.ais.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Avoid the SuperMicro like the Plague. I'd recommend GA-686DLS #1, ASUS P2L97DS #2, then Tyan. You do not want AMI (or Phoenix) BIOS, so no Micronics, Intel, SuperMicro, etc. Kevin On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Andrew J. Doane wrote: > Anyone have any suggestions as to the motherboard of choice for dual PII > under fbsd? > > I'm looking at: > > 1. ASUS P2L97-DS > > Has older AIC-7880 chipset, should be 2940UW compatible, and work > w/fbsd out of the box. I've had ASUS boards before and did have > problems. Have they improved over the past year? Comments? > > 2. Super Micro D6DLS > > I read from the verious newsgroups that Super Micro boards may have > problem w/SMP and fbsd. I also have no personal experience with > super micro MBs. It also has the older AIC-7880. Comments? > > 3. Tyan S1696DLUA > > Uses the AIC-7895 which I've had conflicting reports on fbsd support. > One person said no, while another said it was beta within the cam scsi > drivers and had it working on this very board. Its a nice > motherboard; it gives you two ultra wide buses AND a narrow bus. > The only thing I've found in the manual that I don't like is that > it appears you cannot independantly set the CPU and bus speeds (for > overclocking). You can on the ASUS and Super Micro. The Tyan > supports SPD (Serial Presence Detect) which the ASUS and Super Micro > make no reference of. Nice for proper RAM timing configuration. > > Comments? Anyone tried one of these boards and ditched it for another? > > Thanks, > /ajd/ > -- > _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Andrew J. Doane > _/ _/ _/ _/ Director, Network Operations > _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ American Information Systems, Inc. > _/ _/ _/ _/ Email: adoane@ais.net, http://www.ais.net > _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ (312) 255-8500 Voice, (312) 255-8501 Fax > For my PGP public key, email me with the > subject "pgp request" > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 16:24:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16062 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:24:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user6005@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA16055 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:24:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 25 Feb 1998 00:33:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:33:07 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: "Andrew J. Doane" cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG, "Andrew J. Doane" Subject: Re: Dual proc PII MB of choice? In-Reply-To: <199802242333.RAA29661@eagle.ais.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org {...} > The only thing I've found in the manual that I don't like is that > it appears you cannot independantly set the CPU and bus speeds (for > overclocking). You can on the ASUS and Super Micro. {...} Unless you like wasting your time troubleshooting and annoying your distributors, overclocking is a very very bad idea. Products are given a specific rating on purpose; it is not "random" as some may make it sound. Although it is in style to overclock, it should be strongly discouraged. Our failure rates on CPUs have jumped by an order of magnitude since people have started oc'ing. Overclocking voids most distributors warranties, and is not worth the risk. The CPU is hardly ever the bottleneck anyway. Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 17:11:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22904 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:11:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22887 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:11:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05674; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:09:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199802250109.UAA05674@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Dual proc PII MB of choice? In-Reply-To: from Atipa at "Feb 24, 98 05:33:07 pm" To: freebsd@atipa.com (Atipa) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:09:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: adoane@eagle.ais.net, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Atipa said: > > Our failure rates on CPUs have jumped by an order of magnitude since > people have started oc'ing. Overclocking voids most distributors > warranties, and is not worth the risk. The CPU is hardly ever the > bottleneck anyway. > Are you sure? It is probably that many of those who feel that they must overclock are running lmbench and dhrystone all day. Indeed, overclocking often improves lmbench performance significantly, and the amount of work done with that additional lmbench performance means that even more pages of performance reports can be output each day!!! :-). (Sorry, I couldn't resist :-)). -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 18:03:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03287 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:03:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user7838@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA03268 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:03:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 25 Feb 1998 02:11:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:11:17 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: "John S. Dyson" cc: adoane@eagle.ais.net, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual proc PII MB of choice? In-Reply-To: <199802250109.UAA05674@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you could overclock a hard drive I'd have to agree.. :) (... Lets see how this Cheetah does at 15,000 RPM... ) Kevin On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, John S. Dyson wrote: > Atipa said: > > > > Our failure rates on CPUs have jumped by an order of magnitude since > > people have started oc'ing. Overclocking voids most distributors > > warranties, and is not worth the risk. The CPU is hardly ever the > > bottleneck anyway. > > > Are you sure? It is probably that many of those who feel that > they must overclock are running lmbench and dhrystone all day. > Indeed, overclocking often improves lmbench performance significantly, > and the amount of work done with that additional lmbench performance > means that even more pages of performance reports can be output > each day!!! :-). > > (Sorry, I couldn't resist :-)). > > -- > John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, > dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, > jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 19:14:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14940 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:14:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from abby.skypoint.net (abby.skypoint.net [199.86.32.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14857; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:13:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bruce@zuhause.mn.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by abby.skypoint.net (8.8.7/jl 1.3) with UUCP id VAA00508; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:13:47 -0600 (CST) Received: (from bruce@localhost) by zuhause.mn.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id VAA20706; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:09:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:09:31 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802250309.VAA20706@zuhause.mn.org> From: Bruce Albrecht To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe), smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mpfps Base Table HOSED! In-Reply-To: <199802241908.UAA00375@sos.freebsd.dk> References: <199802241901.MAA00331@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> <199802241908.UAA00375@sos.freebsd.dk> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id TAA14925 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Søren Schmidt writes: > Wonder if it is Award or TYAN that decided that this should be changed. > > BTW: at bios V3.03 the CPU&APIC was found in the order 1-0-2, now they > are ordered 0-1-2, so they did change some of the SMP stuff... Is this a new BIOS for just the AT1662, or is it also for the ATX1668? Any idea what things it fixes? If I've already got an ASUS SC875, would that conflict with the BIOS's SCSI extensions? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 19:39:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18265 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:39:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley63.res.iastate.edu (friley63.res.iastate.edu [129.186.189.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18249 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:39:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mystify@friley63.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley63.res.iastate.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by friley63.res.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13209 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:39:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802250339.VAA13209@friley63.res.iastate.edu> To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Current SMP status Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:39:18 -0600 From: Patrick Hartling Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org About three months ago, Steve Passe announced he was going to be devoting a lot of time to doing FreeBSD SMP development. Since then, I don't recall seeing any updates (mail or commits) on his valiant efforts. I've only just recently started reading this list after getting my own SMP machine, so I could very easily have missed something. Is there any news regarding his work or other development? Thanks. -Patrick Patrick L. Hartling | Research Assistant, ICEMT mystify@friley63.res.iastate.edu | SE Lab - 1117 Black Engineering http://www.public.iastate.edu/~oz | http://www.icemt.iastate.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 21:38:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA06206 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:38:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06182 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA12403; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:37:22 -0800 (PST) To: Atipa cc: "Andrew J. Doane" , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual proc PII MB of choice? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:33:07 MST." Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:37:18 -0800 Message-ID: <12397.888385038@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Unless you like wasting your time troubleshooting and annoying your > distributors, overclocking is a very very bad idea. Which brings up a related point: If you have a "bug" in FreeBSD where the system is randomly hanging/crashing/misbehaving and you're overclocking, DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO REPORT IT unless you can reproduce the error with overclocking turned OFF. That may seem harsh, but you wouldn't believe the sheer number of FreeBSD developer hours completely WASTED by people who shot themselves in the feet and then complained that FreeBSD was giving them a bad limp. The developers of FreeBSD have far, far more important things to do than chase red herrings and if you waste our time with a bogus failure report because of overclocking, you WILL be flamed by, at the very minimum, me! :) You'll also be hammering the first nail in your own coffin when in comes to FreeBSD tech support since we only deal with people crying wolf so many times before we simply whap "delete" on anything we might see from them. Fair warning! Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 21:50:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10071 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:50:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10012 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:50:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA15006; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:49:42 -0800 (PST) To: Patrick Hartling cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Current SMP status In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:39:18 CST." <199802250339.VAA13209@friley63.res.iastate.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:49:42 -0800 Message-ID: <15002.888385782@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > About three months ago, Steve Passe announced he was going to be devoting > a lot of time to doing FreeBSD SMP development. Since then, I don't recall > seeing any updates (mail or commits) on his valiant efforts. I've only just Steve Passe has been taken offline again due to work overload and is actually looking for someone else to play "SMP chief" for awhile in order to take things to the next level. Any knowledgeable volunteers? :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 23:02:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25521 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:02:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25509 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA02585; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:02:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802250702.AAA02585@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Patrick Hartling cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Current SMP status In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:39:18 CST." <199802250339.VAA13209@friley63.res.iastate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:02:22 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > About three months ago, Steve Passe announced he was going to be devoting > a lot of time to doing FreeBSD SMP development. Since then, I don't recall > seeing any updates (mail or commits) on his valiant efforts. I've only just > recently started reading this list after getting my own SMP machine, so I > could very easily have missed something. Is there any news regarding his > work or other development? Thanks. Life doesn't always go the way we want... Later I announced that I had taken on a barn-burner project and would have NO time in the forseeable future for SMP work... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Feb 24 23:15:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27849 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:15:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27844; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:15:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01259; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:15:10 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199802250715.IAA01259@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: mpfps Base Table HOSED! In-Reply-To: <199802250309.VAA20706@zuhause.mn.org> from Bruce Albrecht at "Feb 24, 98 09:09:31 pm" To: bruce@zuhause.mn.org (Bruce Albrecht) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:15:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@csn.net, smp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Bruce Albrecht who wrote: > Søren Schmidt writes: > > Wonder if it is Award or TYAN that decided that this should be changed. > > > > BTW: at bios V3.03 the CPU&APIC was found in the order 1-0-2, now they > > are ordered 0-1-2, so they did change some of the SMP stuff... > > Is this a new BIOS for just the AT1662, or is it also for the ATX1668? > Any idea what things it fixes? If I've already got an ASUS SC875, > would that conflict with the BIOS's SCSI extensions? They have the 4.0 BIOS for both the 1662 and the 1668 on their web site. TYAN doesn't ship with a NCR BIOS in it, so I used a little nice util from the net to add that to the image, works like a charm. I did it mostly because I needed the bios to be able to boot from CD's and SCSI, which the old 3.03 BIOS didn't allow. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 00:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06961 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:26:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA06952 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:26:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02169; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:21:49 +0100 (CET) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Atipa , "Andrew J. Doane" , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual proc PII MB of choice? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:37:18 PST." <12397.888385038@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:21:47 +0100 Message-ID: <2167.888394907@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <12397.888385038@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >> Unless you like wasting your time troubleshooting and annoying your >> distributors, overclocking is a very very bad idea. > >Which brings up a related point: If you have a "bug" in FreeBSD where >the system is randomly hanging/crashing/misbehaving and you're >overclocking, Can we add it as a question in send-pr, and have gnats send an auto- reply with what you just said it people tick that box ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "Drink MONO-tonic, it goes down but it will NEVER come back up!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 01:11:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA12078 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:11:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA12058 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:11:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26756; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:11:43 GMT (envelope-from joe) Message-ID: <19980225091143.26221@pavilion.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:11:43 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: QDI anyone? PPro dual processor motherboard. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm just about to build a pentium pro dual processor machine, and have two mother boards to choose from. The choice is between: QDI Commander 4 Supermicro P6-DNF The Freebsd-SMP website says that the Supermicro should work fine. I can get them but they are an older board and I'd much prefer to run the QDI. Does anyone here have experience of FreeBSD-SMP on a QDI board? Thanks in advance for advice, Regards, Joe -- Josef Karthauser Technical Manager FreeBSD: The power to serve (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 01:23:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13237 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:23:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13231 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:22:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA18940; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:21:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802250921.BAA18940@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Josef Karthauser cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: QDI anyone? PPro dual processor motherboard. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:11:43 GMT." <19980225091143.26221@pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:21:17 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm just about to build a pentium pro dual processor machine, and have > two mother boards to choose from. > > The choice is between: > QDI Commander 4 > Supermicro P6-DNF Any particular reason you can't go outside the square and get something else? > The Freebsd-SMP website says that the Supermicro should work fine. I can > get them but they are an older board and I'd much prefer to run the QDI. How so? The DNF is a solid 440FX board; it'll serve you fine unless you have a bad case of hot-rod envy. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 02:02:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16685 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 02:02:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16680 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 02:02:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA26642; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:03:55 GMT Message-ID: <019901bd41d3$e505a820$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: "Josef Karthauser" , "Mike Smith" Cc: Subject: Re: QDI anyone? PPro dual processor motherboard. Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:58:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I'm just about to build a pentium pro dual processor machine, and have >> two mother boards to choose from. >> >> The choice is between: >> QDI Commander 4 >> Supermicro P6-DNF > >Any particular reason you can't go outside the square and get something >else? > >> The Freebsd-SMP website says that the Supermicro should work fine. I can >> get them but they are an older board and I'd much prefer to run the QDI. > >How so? The DNF is a solid 440FX board; it'll serve you fine unless >you have a bad case of hot-rod envy. 8) shhhhh..... beta testers are our friends :) -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 04:14:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01507 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:14:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsd.synx.com (rt.synx.com [194.167.81.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA01468 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:14:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from remy@synx.com) Received: from s3.synx.com (s3 [192.1.1.247]) by bsd.synx.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA20921; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:18:28 +0100 Received: from rs1 by s3.synx.com id aa28388; 25 Feb 98 13:04 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:03:14 -0100 (GMT) From: Remy NONNENMACHER To: Stephen Ritter cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980224101505.00a26740@happy.qualcomm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Stephen Ritter wrote: > (Note: this was previously posted to -hardware, several people suggested I > post it here.) > > Hello, I am fairly new to FreeBSD (a linux convert!) and would like to know > if any of you have experience putting together a machine using the ASUS > P2L97DS motherboard? I would like to build a machine which would initially > only have one PII300 on the board, but eventually I would add the second. > > My questions: > > 1) Will this board work with FreeBSD SMP? OK for me. > 2) Will the FreeBSD kernel be able to detect/use the on-board SCSI controller? Yes. There is only one problem: multiples 2940 cards are initialized/probed by the bios in different order than the one during the FreeBSD boot probing. This gave me good time when the 'bios boot' disk were the last one seen by the kernel !!... By inverting cards, cables and so on, i got the 'bios boot' disk as sd0. (I run 2x2940 each for 4x9Gb disks and use the internal 7880 for DLT, CD-RW and tapes All works great). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 04:39:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03750 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:39:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsd.synx.com (rt.synx.com [194.167.81.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA03713; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:39:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from remy@synx.com) Received: from s3.synx.com (s3 [192.1.1.247]) by bsd.synx.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA21057; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:41:44 +0100 Received: from rs1 by s3.synx.com id aa28548; 25 Feb 98 13:27 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:26:30 -0100 (GMT) From: Remy NONNENMACHER To: Atipa cc: "John S. Dyson" , adoane@eagle.ais.net, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual proc PII MB of choice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Atipa wrote: > > If you could overclock a hard drive I'd have to agree.. :) > (... Lets see how this Cheetah does at 15,000 RPM... ) > use ccd. i got more than 50MB/s using 4 disks and 34MB/s with 2 (IBM DGVS 9GB - 10050 RPM). > Kevin > > On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, John S. Dyson wrote: > > > Atipa said: > > > > > > Our failure rates on CPUs have jumped by an order of magnitude since > > > people have started oc'ing. Overclocking voids most distributors > > > warranties, and is not worth the risk. The CPU is hardly ever the > > > bottleneck anyway. > > > > > Are you sure? It is probably that many of those who feel that > > they must overclock are running lmbench and dhrystone all day. > > Indeed, overclocking often improves lmbench performance significantly, > > and the amount of work done with that additional lmbench performance > > means that even more pages of performance reports can be output > > each day!!! :-). > > The big problem seems to be the heating. AMD and Cyrix procs goes very high. For exemple, running the RC5 client on an AMD make the temp goes to hell in only 2 minutes. On the other hand, i Oc'd a PII 300 to 337Mh and seen no noticeable temperature change. The idle state of a Unix machine is very helpfull. All Unix running procs, here, are cold and same procs running M$ stuffs are very hot. (At the point we got problems with Cyrix procs at native frequencies). I would recommand that an Overclocking operation will be followed by a week of loading, testing, etc... And that returning to normal operation would be done in case of any, even little, incident that can't be explained. (Note that M$ stuff, by itself, is not stable enought to be a pertinent tool). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 07:28:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05582 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:28:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05570 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:28:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08257 for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:28:33 GMT (envelope-from joe) Message-ID: <19980225092846.12151@pavilion.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:28:46 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: QDI anyone? PPro dual processor motherboard. References: <19980225091143.26221@pavilion.net> <199802250921.BAA18940@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199802250921.BAA18940@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 01:21:17AM -0800 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 01:21:17AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > I'm just about to build a pentium pro dual processor machine, and have > > two mother boards to choose from. > > > > The choice is between: > > QDI Commander 4 > > Supermicro P6-DNF > > Any particular reason you can't go outside the square and get something > else? No I suppose not, I'd have to go to a different supplier though. > > The Freebsd-SMP website says that the Supermicro should work fine. I can > > get them but they are an older board and I'd much prefer to run the QDI. > > How so? The DNF is a solid 440FX board; it'll serve you fine unless > you have a bad case of hot-rod envy. 8) My supplier's got some DNF's in stock that he can't get rid of (no demand from ppro's) but they've not got much warranty on them. :( You rate them then? Joe -- Josef Karthauser Technical Manager FreeBSD: The power to serve (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 08:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17960 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:40:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user14351@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA17928 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 25 Feb 1998 16:48:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:48:36 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: Remy NONNENMACHER cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual proc PII MB of choice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Remy NONNENMACHER wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Atipa wrote: > > > > > If you could overclock a hard drive I'd have to agree.. :) > > (... Lets see how this Cheetah does at 15,000 RPM... ) > > > > use ccd. i got more than 50MB/s using 4 disks and 34MB/s with 2 (IBM DGVS > 9GB - 10050 RPM). Cool! > > > > Our failure rates on CPUs have jumped by an order of magnitude since > > > > people have started oc'ing. Overclocking voids most distributors > > > > warranties, and is not worth the risk. The CPU is hardly ever the > > > > bottleneck anyway. > > The big problem seems to be the heating. AMD and Cyrix procs goes very > high. For exemple, running the RC5 client on an AMD make the temp goes to > hell in only 2 minutes. On the other hand, i Oc'd a PII 300 to 337Mh and > seen no noticeable temperature change. You are correct that heating is the _primary_ enemy, but it does not change the realilty that operating processors outside of their specification increases the chance of electron migration and error, and should not be condoned. > The idle state of a Unix machine is very helpfull. In other words, oc'ing usually won't make your system noticably faster. :) > All Unix running procs, here, are cold and same procs > running M$ stuffs are very hot. (At the point we got problems with Cyrix > procs at native frequencies). I would recommand that an Overclocking > operation will be followed by a week of loading, testing, etc... And that > returning to normal operation would be done in case of any, even little, > incident that can't be explained. What about the long term effect on the processors? There is a good chance you are shortening the longevity of the processor, even if it does not initially produce errors. > (Note that M$ stuff, by itself, is not > stable enought to be a pertinent tool). That is precisely why I don't recommend overclocking; there are so mary variables to deal with that adding one more big one is a big pain in the ass. I agree that _most_ the time oc'ed processors do their job, but it may take several hours to resolve such intermittancies. OC'ing problems are horribly unpredictable. Do you honestly notice enough of a performance gain to justify the potential headaches and expenses? I _had_ been an overclocker, but have realized it just ain't worth it :) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 09:57:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06318 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:57:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06312 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:56:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04822; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:56:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802251756.KAA04822@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Josef Karthauser cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: QDI anyone? PPro dual processor motherboard. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:11:43 GMT." <19980225091143.26221@pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:56:36 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > I'm just about to build a pentium pro dual processor machine, and have > two mother boards to choose from. > > The choice is between: > QDI Commander 4 > Supermicro P6-DNF > > The Freebsd-SMP website says that the Supermicro should work fine. I can > get them but they are an older board and I'd much prefer to run the QDI. > > Does anyone here have experience of FreeBSD-SMP on a QDI board? No, I don't, but for clarification, the most recent generation of supermicro boards DON'T run very well at all. See archives for the details. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 10:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12079 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:16:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bird.te.rl.ac.uk (bird.te.rl.ac.uk [130.246.19.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12029 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:15:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Received: from rcru.rl.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bird.te.rl.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17467; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:14:23 GMT (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Message-Id: <199802251814.SAA17467@bird.te.rl.ac.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP success on W6-LI In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:32:55 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:14:22 +0000 From: Mark Blackman Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > We had a case where installing FreeBSD on a machine would succeed perfectly > well except that upon re-boot, the MBR would still try to boot Win95, find > FreeBSD instead and barf. > > The short version of it is that there is some protection in the BIOS > against trying to install non-M$ operating system in the machine. This was > confirmed by the vendor's support and empirically by swapping drives, or LL > format, both which succeed in confusing the check; Turns out there is some > signature in the MBR that the BIOS records when first encountering the > disk. The excuse is virus protection, but the reality is that even with > ``Virus Protection''' OFF, the feature is still alive. > > I hesitate to quote names here as this is a major little-i partner and I do > not have the proof in my hand anymore. that's useful to know, but I'm pretty sure it's not an issue in my case. For the record, I performed a low-level format of the SCSI disk before use. More importantly, the disk never got anywhere near any degenerate MS "products" and was completely unsullied when FreeBSD was introduced to it. -- ************************************************************************* * Mark Blackman * * Radar Meteorologist, Radar Group * * Radio Communications Research Unit * * Rutherford Appleton Laboratory E-mail: tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk * * Chilton, Didcot Tel: +44-1235-446126 * * Oxon OX11 0QX, United Kingdom Fax: +44-1235-446140 * ************************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 11:57:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00433 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:57:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from csvax.cs.caltech.edu (csvax.cs.caltech.edu [131.215.131.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA00419 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:57:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mika@stun4p.cs.caltech.edu) Received: from stun4p.cs.caltech.edu by csvax.cs.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA13583; Wed, 25 Feb 98 11:55:15 PST Received: from localhost.cs.caltech.edu (localhost.cs.caltech.edu [127.0.0.1]) by stun4p.cs.caltech.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16742; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:55:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802251955.LAA16742@stun4p.cs.caltech.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: stun4p.cs.caltech.edu: Host localhost.cs.caltech.edu [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Atipa , adoane@eagle.ais.net, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dual proc PII MB of choice? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:33:07 MST." Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:55:05 -0800 From: Mika Nystrom Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Atipa writes: > >{...} >> The only thing I've found in the manual that I don't like is that >> it appears you cannot independantly set the CPU and bus speeds (for >> overclocking). You can on the ASUS and Super Micro. >{...} > >Unless you like wasting your time troubleshooting and annoying your >distributors, overclocking is a very very bad idea. > >Products are given a specific rating on purpose; it is not "random" as >some may make it sound. Although it is in style to overclock, it should >be strongly discouraged. > >Our failure rates on CPUs have jumped by an order of magnitude since >people have started oc'ing. Overclocking voids most distributors >warranties, and is not worth the risk. The CPU is hardly ever the >bottleneck anyway. This is interesting. I would tend to think that if the CPU in question exists in a version that supports the higher clock speed, and if the same cooling is used as on a standard installation at the higher clock speed to dissipate the heat that is generated at that speed, the only problems you might see from overclocking are soft errors. This is because the only Bad Things that really increase on the CPU when you up the clock speed are current draw and power consumption, and if the chip in question exists for the higher clock speed, it is obviously designed to handle that. The reason it is sold as a slower part is because of variations in manufacturing that makes the transistors slightly slower, variations that may be offset by superior cooling or fewer heat sources in the vicinity of the CPU, allowing a lower operating temperature than called for in the spec, and consequently higher clock speed. Mika > >Kevin > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 12:21:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06172 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:21:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (toasty@home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06144 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:21:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA29766; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:21:14 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199802252021.OAA29766@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: Dual proc PII MB of choice? In-Reply-To: <199802251955.LAA16742@stun4p.cs.caltech.edu> from Mika Nystrom at "Feb 25, 98 11:55:05 am" To: mika@cs.caltech.edu (Mika Nystrom) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:21:14 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd@atipa.com, adoane@eagle.ais.net, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This is interesting. I would tend to think that if the CPU in question > exists in a version that supports the higher clock speed, and if the > same cooling is used as on a standard installation at the higher > clock speed to dissipate the heat that is generated at that speed, > the only problems you might see from overclocking are soft errors. > This is because the only Bad Things that really increase on the > CPU when you up the clock speed are current draw and power consumption, > and if the chip in question exists for the higher clock speed, it is > obviously designed to handle that. The reason it is sold as a slower > part is because of variations in manufacturing that makes the > transistors slightly slower, variations that may be offset by > superior cooling or fewer heat sources in the vicinity of the > CPU, allowing a lower operating temperature than called for in the spec, > and consequently higher clock speed. > > Mika AFAIK, you are partially corrent, but there *are* major differences in chips, even in the same family. The pentium has gone through 3 die shrinks, and several changes along the way. A P/200 chip is completely different, than say a P/100. But, within the same revision, you are correct. They mass produce chips, test them, the ones that run at a higher spec without a problem are sold as such. If not, they lower the speed at test again. (At least, this is they way they were doing it before, if this has changed, let me know) Some older Pentiums don't have some of the divisor pins hooked to anything, even. :) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 20:12:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28925 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:12:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28794 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:12:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mrcpu@cdsnet.net) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA29273; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:11:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:11:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Remy NONNENMACHER cc: Stephen Ritter , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Remy NONNENMACHER wrote: > Yes. There is only one problem: multiples 2940 cards are > initialized/probed by the bios in different order than the one during the > FreeBSD boot probing. This gave me good time when the 'bios boot' disk > were the last one seen by the kernel !!... By inverting cards, cables > and so on, i got the 'bios boot' disk as sd0. (I run 2x2940 each for 4x9Gb > disks and use the internal 7880 for DLT, CD-RW and tapes All works great). I complained about this a long time ago, and I was informed it was a "feechur", and that the DOS way was completely wrong, and the FreeBSD solution was superior. Nevermind the arguments about quantity vs quality. If you have the patience, you can install on a single drive in the system with everything else unplugged, which gets you sd0, then you can hardwire the devices in the kernel to match your new configuration once everything is plugged in. I still think the FreeBSD way is broke. NT can figure it out, Windows can figure it out, Solaris gets it the same way, but then there's FreeBSD out on the fringe. Right, but difficult to use. Once you get things hardwired, it all works swimmingly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 21:28:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20127 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:28:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20111 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:28:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA00950; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:27:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802260527.VAA00950@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Jaye Mathisen cc: Remy NONNENMACHER , Stephen Ritter , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 25 Feb 98 20:11:35 -0800. Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:27:21 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Remy NONNENMACHER wrote: >> Yes. There is only one problem: multiples 2940 cards are >> initialized/probed by the bios in different order than the one during the >> FreeBSD boot probing. This gave me good time when the 'bios boot' disk >> were the last one seen by the kernel !!... By inverting cards, cables >> and so on, i got the 'bios boot' disk as sd0. (I run 2x2940 each for 4x9Gb >> disks and use the internal 7880 for DLT, CD-RW and tapes All works great). >I complained about this a long time ago, and I was informed it was a >"feechur", and that the DOS way was completely wrong, and the FreeBSD >solution was superior. [...] >I still think the FreeBSD way is broke. NT can figure it out, Windows can >figure it out, Solaris gets it the same way, but then there's FreeBSD out >on the fringe. Right, but difficult to use. Uh, to be honest, this isn't necessarily true. I haven't seen this happen with 2940s, but I *have* seen it happen with multiple NCR53c810 cards. DOS saw them in the order the BIOS decided they should be probed, which was high address card first, then the lower one. Not only did *BSD get it the other way around, but so did Windows NT. It was annoying as hell. But in this case, *both* *BSD and NT got it "right", and DOS got it "wrong". I don't remember how Windows 95 handled the situation (I probably didn't even have it on any of those machines). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon mvanloon@exmsft.com michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 22:39:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01384 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:39:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01379 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:39:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19358; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:38:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802260638.XAA19358@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Jaye Mathisen , Remy NONNENMACHER , Stephen Ritter , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:27:21 PST." <199802260527.VAA00950@MindBender.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:35:49 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >[...] >>I still think the FreeBSD way is broke. NT can figure it out, Windows can >>figure it out, Solaris gets it the same way, but then there's FreeBSD out >>on the fringe. Right, but difficult to use. > >Uh, to be honest, this isn't necessarily true. > >I haven't seen this happen with 2940s, but I *have* seen it happen >with multiple NCR53c810 cards. DOS saw them in the order the BIOS >decided they should be probed, which was high address card first, then >the lower one. Actually, the PCI BIOSes may be installed anywhere. The slot probe order, however was probably the problem. Both FreeBSD and NT probe in a hard coded way which may not match the way the BIOS did it. For EISA/ISA/VL cards where you can determine that they installed a BIOS, you can reorder the default bus probe to follow ascending BIOS address which is how 99% of the motherboards in the world scan and execute BIOSes. CAM has provisions for handling a controller defined ordering for attaching buses that does not necessarily match probe order, but it may be better to sit down with one of the PnP books and attempt to make FreeBSD's attach order match, as closely as possible, to what the PnP spec suggests for BIOSes. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Feb 25 22:54:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03438 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:54:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03432 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:54:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22816; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:52:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802260652.WAA22816@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BIOS PCI probe order (was Re: ASUS P2L97DS ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:35:49 MST." <199802260638.XAA19358@pluto.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:52:44 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >[...] > >>I still think the FreeBSD way is broke. NT can figure it out, Windows can > >>figure it out, Solaris gets it the same way, but then there's FreeBSD out > >>on the fringe. Right, but difficult to use. As noted, NT gets it wrong too. > Actually, the PCI BIOSes may be installed anywhere. The slot probe order, > however was probably the problem. Both FreeBSD and NT probe in a hard > coded way which may not match the way the BIOS did it. This is because neither can rely on hardware in a market where the ability to interoperate with the Win95 PCI enumerator is the only real criteria for widespread distribution. > not necessarily match probe order, but it may be better to sit down with > one of the PnP books and attempt to make FreeBSD's attach order match, as > closely as possible, to what the PnP spec suggests for BIOSes. It would be much easier just to call the BIOS PCI entrypoint (which is obtained in -current but not used), however Stefan will tell you all sorts of horror stories about nonconforming PCI BIOSsen. Unfortunately, unless you can second-guess the BIOS you can't guarantee that you'll pick the same ordering that it does. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message