From owner-freebsd-smp Mon May 18 13:38:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27407 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk ([212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27356 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00389 for smp@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 May 1998 22:38:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805182038.WAA00389@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: TYAN 1661 & 1668 owners beware!! To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:38:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org TYAN has released a new BIOS for these boards on maj 8'th.. It looks VERY good so far, it has taken care of the problems with UDMA & PIOmode4 disks, and you can now select between MP-1.1 & MP-1.4 and it doesn't leave sporious entries in the MP tables... A good day.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon May 18 15:04:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16803 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 15:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kaori.communique.net (kaori.communique.net [204.27.67.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16666; Mon, 18 May 1998 15:04:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tjohnson@verio.net) Received: by kaori.communique.net with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 18 May 1998 17:02:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tony Johnson To: "'sos@FreeBSD.ORG'" , smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: TYAN 1661 & 1668 owners beware!! Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:02:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD827E.CB6E1000" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD827E.CB6E1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does this award bios fix the pci-to-pci bridge incompatibility problem? I can tell you that as soon as I flashed my bios to award , my smp kernels would panic. -----Original Message----- From: Sxren Schmidt [mailto:sos@FreeBSD.ORG] Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 3:39 PM To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TYAN 1661 & 1668 owners beware!! TYAN has released a new BIOS for these boards on maj 8'th.. It looks VERY good so far, it has taken care of the problems with UDMA & PIOmode4 disks, and you can now select between MP-1.1 & MP-1.4 and it doesn't leave sporious entries in the MP tables... A good day.... -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D- S=F8ren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD = Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD827E.CB6E1000 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Tony Johnson.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Tony Johnson.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Johnson;Greg FN:Tony Johnson EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:tjohnson@gulfsouth.verio.net REV:19980326T195655Z END:VCARD ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD827E.CB6E1000-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon May 18 15:13:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18794 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 15:13:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk ([212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18380; Mon, 18 May 1998 15:11:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00645; Tue, 19 May 1998 00:10:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805182210.AAA00645@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: TYAN 1661 & 1668 owners beware!! In-Reply-To: from Tony Johnson at "May 18, 98 05:02:51 pm" To: tjohnson@verio.net (Tony Johnson) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:10:38 +0200 (CEST) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Tony Johnson who wrote: > Does this award bios fix the pci-to-pci bridge incompatibility problem? > I can tell you that as soon as I flashed my bios to award , my smp > kernels would panic. What did that panic say ?? I've only seen panics due to "funny" mptables -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri May 22 12:43:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00978 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:43:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00962 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:43:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03672 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:43:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805221943.NAA03672@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: good deal on hardware Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:43:28 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:50:36 -0400 To: current@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: SMP, Intel PR440FX, cpu monitoring, etc Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay. For those who can't seem to find the machine I'm talking about at insight, the URL is: http://www.insight.com/cgi-bin/bp/1480860161/web/technote.html?a=f&f=p&d=TODT10 2 6U More details on the machine are at: http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Home.woa/-/Product.wo?component=K e yFeatures&partNumber=PV1026U-01A&from=Business although that doesn't mention that the machine uses the PR440FX motherboard (and the deal from insight does not include any monitor). I just ordered a second one of these $800 boxes yesterday, and I think they still have a thousand left in stock (that's with just the single PPro, of course, for SMP you'd have to buy another processor). I imagine it is to my advantage to have many many of these sold to freebsd folks, as it will increase the number of people interested in freebsd support for them :-) - - - But I really was interested in whether there's anything I need to watch out for when buying the second processor, in case I want to try for SMP in the fall, and whether there's a way to read the temperature sensors inside the box while freebsd is running. If not, would it be hard to add that, and where would I start looking for details on how those sensors work from a programming standpoint? (hmm, maybe intel's web site would have something...). - --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 23 05:16:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16593 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 05:16:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16583 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 05:16:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dufault@hda.hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA06265; Sat, 23 May 1998 07:52:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199805231152.HAA06265@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-Reply-To: <199805221943.NAA03672@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> from Steve Passe at "May 22, 98 01:43:28 pm" To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 07:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ------- Forwarded Message > > I just ordered a second one of these $800 boxes yesterday, and I think > they still have a thousand left in stock (that's with just the single > PPro, of course, for SMP you'd have to buy another processor). I > imagine it is to my advantage to have many many of these sold to > freebsd folks, as it will increase the number of people interested > in freebsd support for them :-) Given John Dyson's warning about the second CPU, can you comment about the requirements on the second processor? I checked and Insight doesn't list 200MHz PIIs, and the 233 MHz they list says 512K cache instead of the 256K on the Toshiba (I don't follow the CPU hardware closely and wouldn't know a misprint if I saw one). I'm reluctant to get a good deal on the box if I have to buy two new CPUS for it instead of 1. If many people are looking at this it is worth asking Insight about the cost of a "12 pack" (or 25 or whatever) with a second compatable CPU. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 23 07:45:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03066 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 07:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from abby.skypoint.net (abby.skypoint.net [199.86.32.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03061 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 07:45:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bruce@zuhause.mn.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by abby.skypoint.net (8.8.7/jl 1.3) with UUCP id JAA09508; Sat, 23 May 1998 09:45:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from bruce@localhost) by zuhause.mn.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA25691; Sat, 23 May 1998 09:38:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Bruce Albrecht Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 09:38:12 -0500 (CDT) To: Peter Dufault Cc: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe), smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-Reply-To: <199805231152.HAA06265@hda.hda.com> References: <199805221943.NAA03672@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> <199805231152.HAA06265@hda.hda.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13670.56929.643140.106138@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Dufault writes: > Given John Dyson's warning about the second CPU, can you comment > about the requirements on the second processor? I checked and > Insight doesn't list 200MHz PIIs, and the 233 MHz they list says > 512K cache instead of the 256K on the Toshiba (I don't follow the > CPU hardware closely and wouldn't know a misprint if I saw one). > I'm reluctant to get a good deal on the box if I have to buy two > new CPUS for it instead of 1. This box has a 200 MHz PPro with 256 KB cache. The 233 MHz PII's are a totally different beast, and won't work in this machine. When I went to Pricewatch and ESP, they indicated that there are several companies out there selling 200 MHz PPros for $250-$350. Some of the cheaper merchants are pulling them from machines, so caveat emptor. > If many people are looking at this it is worth asking Insight about > the cost of a "12 pack" (or 25 or whatever) with a second compatable > CPU. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 23 09:24:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08464 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 09:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quark.ChrisBowman.com (crbowman.erols.com [209.122.47.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08458 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 09:24:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Received: from localhost (crb@localhost) by quark.ChrisBowman.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00485; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:24:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) X-Authentication-Warning: quark.ChrisBowman.com: crb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 12:24:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher R. Bowman" To: Peter Dufault cc: Steve Passe , smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-Reply-To: <199805231152.HAA06265@hda.hda.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 23 May 1998, Peter Dufault wrote: >> ------- Forwarded Message >> >> I just ordered a second one of these $800 boxes yesterday, and I think >> they still have a thousand left in stock (that's with just the single >> PPro, of course, for SMP you'd have to buy another processor). I >> imagine it is to my advantage to have many many of these sold to >> freebsd folks, as it will increase the number of people interested >> in freebsd support for them :-) > >Given John Dyson's warning about the second CPU, can you comment >about the requirements on the second processor? I checked and >Insight doesn't list 200MHz PIIs, and the 233 MHz they list says >512K cache instead of the 256K on the Toshiba (I don't follow the >CPU hardware closely and wouldn't know a misprint if I saw one). >I'm reluctant to get a good deal on the box if I have to buy two >new CPUS for it instead of 1. > >If many people are looking at this it is worth asking Insight about >the cost of a "12 pack" (or 25 or whatever) with a second compatable >CPU. This is a Pentium PRO system, you are going to need a second pentium pro, a pentium II or MMX won't work. As I recall, Insight didn't sell lone Pentium Pro processors. --------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@ChrisBowman.com My home page To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 23 10:11:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21924 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 10:11:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21898 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 10:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smp@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10626; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805231710.LAA10626@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: "Christopher R. Bowman" cc: Peter Dufault , smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 May 1998 12:24:35 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:10:40 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > On Sat, 23 May 1998, Peter Dufault wrote: > > >> ------- Forwarded Message > >> > >> I just ordered a second one of these $800 boxes yesterday, and I think > >> they still have a thousand left in stock (that's with just the single > >> PPro, of course, for SMP you'd have to buy another processor). I > >> imagine it is to my advantage to have many many of these sold to > >> freebsd folks, as it will increase the number of people interested > >> in freebsd support for them :-) > > > >Given John Dyson's warning about the second CPU, can you comment > >about the requirements on the second processor? I checked and > >Insight doesn't list 200MHz PIIs, and the 233 MHz they list says > >512K cache instead of the 256K on the Toshiba (I don't follow the > >CPU hardware closely and wouldn't know a misprint if I saw one). > >I'm reluctant to get a good deal on the box if I have to buy two > >new CPUS for it instead of 1. > > > >If many people are looking at this it is worth asking Insight about > >the cost of a "12 pack" (or 25 or whatever) with a second compatable > >CPU. > > This is a Pentium PRO system, you are going to need a second pentium pro, > a pentium II or MMX won't work. As I recall, Insight didn't sell lone > Pentium Pro processors. I forwarded the mail from current to smp as it looked of interest to that group. I have no knowledge of the particular box being discussed, but the price looked good. pentium pros are more forgiving as to mixed revs than the pentiums were, but it can still be a problem with early silicon. Current pricing at atipa: Intel Pentium Pro 200 256K $425 Heat Sink/Fan $13 Intel Pentium Pro 180 256K $169 Heat Sink/Fan $13 The price on the 200 seems a bit steep... I've been running a pair of 180's @ 200 for over a year now. One could buy the box and a pair of 180's and sell the original to someone else, or possibly buy a pair of 200's and sell the original to someone else buying the same box. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 23 10:20:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23683 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 10:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23607 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 10:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dufault@hda.hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06727; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:56:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199805231656.MAA06727@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-Reply-To: <199805231710.LAA10626@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> from Steve Passe at "May 23, 98 11:10:40 am" To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 12:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > pentium pros are more forgiving as to mixed revs than the pentiums were, > but it can still be a problem with early silicon. Current pricing at atipa: > > Intel Pentium Pro 200 256K $425 Heat Sink/Fan $13 > Intel Pentium Pro 180 256K $169 Heat Sink/Fan $13 > > The price on the 200 seems a bit steep... Yeah, buy two of the systems and have spare parts. With the memory and extra disk space it is a better deal than that 200. Now that I've proven my ignorance of Intel's Pentium line my final question is are Pentium Pro 200's a current item likely to be available for, say, six months and hopefully at lower prices than $425.00? Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 23 10:54:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02873 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 10:54:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02814 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 10:54:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smp@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10766; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805231753.LAA10766@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Peter Dufault cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 May 1998 12:56:28 EDT." <199805231656.MAA06727@hda.hda.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:53:52 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > > The price on the 200 seems a bit steep... > > Yeah, buy two of the systems and have spare parts. With the memory > and extra disk space it is a better deal than that 200. > > Now that I've proven my ignorance of Intel's Pentium line > my final question is are Pentium Pro 200's a current > item likely to be available for, say, six months and hopefully > at lower prices than $425.00? They are definately on the way out. 6 months, probably... The "buy 2 systems" is a good idea. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 23 11:07:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10383 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:07:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10311 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04502; Sat, 23 May 1998 20:06:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805231806.UAA04502@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-Reply-To: <199805231710.LAA10626@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> from Steve Passe at "May 23, 98 11:10:40 am" To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 20:06:15 +0200 (CEST) Cc: crb@ChrisBowman.com, dufault@hda.com, smp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Steve Passe who wrote: > > pentium pros are more forgiving as to mixed revs than the pentiums were, > but it can still be a problem with early silicon. Current pricing at atipa: Generally if they are step 7 or later, they will work together, and it will be real hard to find anything but step 9's, unless its some reused chips.. (I'd love to get my hands on two old 166Mhz/512K cpu's :)) > Intel Pentium Pro 200 256K $425 Heat Sink/Fan $13 > Intel Pentium Pro 180 256K $169 Heat Sink/Fan $13 > > The price on the 200 seems a bit steep... > I've been running a pair of 180's @ 200 for over a year now. One could buy > the > box and a pair of 180's and sell the original to someone else, or possibly > buy a pair of 200's and sell the original to someone else buying the same box. I've run a TYAN S1662D with a 200 and a 180 CPU for 4 month, now it is two 180 running at 200 (the 200 is running 233 in a UP system). Prices here in DK land are "somewhat" lower for the 200/256K about $300, they are dropping prices on the PPro's right now as intel would like you to buy a crippled PPro aka PII... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 23 11:08:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11148 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11094 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12963; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Peter Dufault cc: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe), smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 May 1998 12:56:28 EDT." <199805231656.MAA06727@hda.hda.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:08:19 -0700 Message-ID: <12960.895946899@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Now that I've proven my ignorance of Intel's Pentium line > my final question is are Pentium Pro 200's a current > item likely to be available for, say, six months and hopefully > at lower prices than $425.00? No and no. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 23 11:30:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23033 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:30:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [207.149.232.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23001 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25935; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:30:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rgrimes) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199805231830.LAA25935@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-Reply-To: <199805231152.HAA06265@hda.hda.com> from Peter Dufault at "May 23, 98 07:52:54 am" To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: smp@csn.net, smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > ------- Forwarded Message > > > > I just ordered a second one of these $800 boxes yesterday, and I think > > they still have a thousand left in stock (that's with just the single > > PPro, of course, for SMP you'd have to buy another processor). I > > imagine it is to my advantage to have many many of these sold to > > freebsd folks, as it will increase the number of people interested > > in freebsd support for them :-) > > Given John Dyson's warning about the second CPU, can you comment > about the requirements on the second processor? I checked and > Insight doesn't list 200MHz PIIs, and the 233 MHz they list says > 512K cache instead of the 256K on the Toshiba (I don't follow the > CPU hardware closely and wouldn't know a misprint if I saw one). > I'm reluctant to get a good deal on the box if I have to buy two > new CPUS for it instead of 1. > > If many people are looking at this it is worth asking Insight about > the cost of a "12 pack" (or 25 or whatever) with a second compatable > CPU. My understanding is that these boxes are Pentium PRO, not Pentium II. Now the sad news is that Intel stopped production of the Pentium PRO chip back in Decemeber or there abouts, so finding the chips is not so easy, and finding a ``match'' for what you get in your box is even harder, since most people selling chips don't have a clue about how to read S-Spec numbers, or worse don't even know what they are :-(. Perhaps once you all get your machines when can pool the S-Spec numbers and arrange for those with identical chips to sell there current chip to another and then purchase an identical pair from someone (like me, yea, okay, so I had an alternative motive in this reply). If there is interest in this I can call the chip brokers who often have ``clean pulls'' of PPRO-200/256K & 512K chips, and even on occasion have PPRO-180's (anyone looking for a PPRO-180 S-Spec SL22U I've got one of those here for $169.00). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD http://www.aai.dnsmgr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 23 11:39:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26611 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:39:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [207.149.232.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26600 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25956; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:38:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rgrimes) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199805231838.LAA25956@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-Reply-To: <199805231753.LAA10766@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> from Steve Passe at "May 23, 98 11:53:52 am" To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dufault@hda.com, smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > > > The price on the 200 seems a bit steep... > > > > Yeah, buy two of the systems and have spare parts. With the memory > > and extra disk space it is a better deal than that 200. > > > > Now that I've proven my ignorance of Intel's Pentium line > > my final question is are Pentium Pro 200's a current > > item likely to be available for, say, six months and hopefully > > at lower prices than $425.00? > > They are definately on the way out. 6 months, probably... I would say 3 months maybe, 2 months probably. Understand most of what you are seeing on the market now are ``clean pulls'' from scrapping of high end server systems and/or dead inventory dumping. > The "buy 2 systems" is a good idea. > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 23 13:47:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29321 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 13:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA29316 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 13:47:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 28148 invoked by uid 1017); 23 May 1998 19:44:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:44:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Atipa To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Peter Dufault , smp@csn.net, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-Reply-To: <199805231830.LAA25935@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BTW - Our price for the PPro 200 is stale. It should be significantly lower next week, but it will be the newest rev. I am thinking it will be in the $290 range (from what I overheard last week), but it is not my place to say. Availability may be limitied. But everyone is right about the Pro being ushered out. Too bad. A PPro server will still take as much crap as any T3 will feed it. As far as pricing goes, I would think you could put together a PPro 180 for about the same price: Tyan 1668 dual pro MB $265 Pro 180 w/ fan $182 64MB EDO DRAM $ 92 Case, KB, Floppy $125 2MB S3 ViRGE $ 39 Fujitsu 3.2GB U-DMA $139 --------------------- ---- Total $842 Then you'd just need to buy a Pro 180 CPU for SMP capability. If there would be an interest, we could do a dual Pro-180 bundle for under $1000. As I recall, the prefab system uses the PR440FX, which has SCSI and network built-in, so that really is a good deal. The new BX boards are much faster, but you pay the price. That 100MHz sync memory bus adds noticable improvement over PPro's 66MHz. Kevin On Sat, 23 May 1998, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > ------- Forwarded Message > > > > > > I just ordered a second one of these $800 boxes yesterday, and I think > > > they still have a thousand left in stock (that's with just the single > > > PPro, of course, for SMP you'd have to buy another processor). I > > > imagine it is to my advantage to have many many of these sold to > > > freebsd folks, as it will increase the number of people interested > > > in freebsd support for them :-) > > > > Given John Dyson's warning about the second CPU, can you comment > > about the requirements on the second processor? I checked and > > Insight doesn't list 200MHz PIIs, and the 233 MHz they list says > > 512K cache instead of the 256K on the Toshiba (I don't follow the > > CPU hardware closely and wouldn't know a misprint if I saw one). > > I'm reluctant to get a good deal on the box if I have to buy two > > new CPUS for it instead of 1. > > > > If many people are looking at this it is worth asking Insight about > > the cost of a "12 pack" (or 25 or whatever) with a second compatable > > CPU. > > My understanding is that these boxes are Pentium PRO, not Pentium II. > Now the sad news is that Intel stopped production of the Pentium PRO > chip back in Decemeber or there abouts, so finding the chips is not > so easy, and finding a ``match'' for what you get in your box is > even harder, since most people selling chips don't have a clue about > how to read S-Spec numbers, or worse don't even know what they are :-(. > > Perhaps once you all get your machines when can pool the S-Spec numbers > and arrange for those with identical chips to sell there current chip > to another and then purchase an identical pair from someone (like me, > yea, okay, so I had an alternative motive in this reply). > > If there is interest in this I can call the chip brokers who often > have ``clean pulls'' of PPRO-200/256K & 512K chips, and even on occasion > have PPRO-180's (anyone looking for a PPRO-180 S-Spec SL22U I've got one > of those here for $169.00). > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD > http://www.aai.dnsmgr.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message