From owner-freebsd-smp Sun May 24 02:13:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18738 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 02:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18728; Sun, 24 May 1998 02:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spadger@best.com) Received: from best.com (dynamic9.pm11.sf3d.best.com [209.24.239.137]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with ESMTP id CAA25898; Sun, 24 May 1998 02:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3567E3F4.51BDE69D@best.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 02:10:12 -0700 From: Andy Sparrow Organization: Not likely. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Steve Passe , crb@ChrisBowman.com, dufault@hda.com, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: good deal on hardware References: <199805231806.UAA04502@sos.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Søren Schmidt wrote: > In reply to Steve Passe who wrote: > > > > pentium pros are more forgiving as to mixed revs than the pentiums were, > > but it can still be a problem with early silicon. Current pricing at atipa: > > Generally if they are step 7 or later, they will work together, and it > will be real hard to find anything but step 9's, unless its some reused > chips.. (I'd love to get my hands on two old 166Mhz/512K cpu's :)) Easy - check www.pricewatch.com A number of places are selling P6 166/512K for ~= $160. Micro Express were kind enough to check the stepping on the two they shipped me (turned up in two days, no complaints). I'm running them SMP @ 233Mhz, entirely stable (about 5 weeks 24/7). Just ensure that you use a good (read: big) heat sink/fan/compound if overclocking, 'coz the 200Mhz part is rated at > 40watts, and both sources I've seen quote the 166 at the same power consumption... This kind of makes an MMX look like a laptop device in comparison... > > Intel Pentium Pro 200 256K $425 Heat Sink/Fan $13 > > Intel Pentium Pro 180 256K $169 Heat Sink/Fan $13 > > > > The price on the 200 seems a bit steep... Yup, much too high. It's not far off the going rate though.... Try looking up the 1Mb L2 cache version for a belly-laugh sometime... :-) Actually, given that the Intel Providence 440FX board with an *integrated* 2940UW, EtherEtherpress 10/100 and sound can be had for ~= $100, I figure that you could readily build a twin CPU system with 128Mb and it would come out less than the Insight with 32Mb and a single CPU, without too much (or any) bargain hunting, just being a little shrewd. I just did this with a Micron W6-Li board. Assembly took a couple of hours, complete control over components/peripherals. Works great. YMMV. Cheers, AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun May 24 11:05:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19097 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 11:05:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from icicle.winternet.com (adm@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19092 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 11:05:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mestery@mail.winternet.com) Received: (from adm@localhost) by icicle.winternet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18923 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 13:05:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tundra.winternet.com(198.174.169.11) by icicle.winternet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018909; Sun, 24 May 98 13:05:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA02349 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 13:05:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: tundra.winternet.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:05:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Kyle Mestery To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: good deal on hardware In-Reply-To: <199805231806.UAA04502@sos.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA19093 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 23 May 1998, Søren Schmidt wrote: > In reply to Steve Passe who wrote: > > > > pentium pros are more forgiving as to mixed revs than the pentiums were, > > but it can still be a problem with early silicon. Current pricing at atipa: > > Generally if they are step 7 or later, they will work together, and it > will be real hard to find anything but step 9's, unless its some reused > chips.. (I'd love to get my hands on two old 166Mhz/512K cpu's :)) > I recently (last month) got two 166Mhz/512K cpus from Micro-Xpress for only $179 a piece, and they run fine at 200MHz. I even got them to run at 233MHz for a while. VEry good deal IMHO since the 180/256 were the same price. -- Kyle Mestery StorageTek's Network Systems Group "I'll take what you're willing to give, and I'll teach myself to live, with a walk-on part of a background shot from a movie I'm not in." - Blink 182, "Apple Shampoo" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun May 24 21:42:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14883 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 21:42:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rainier.cs.wustl.edu (root@cs.wustl.edu [128.252.165.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14876 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 21:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nanbor@lambada.cs.wustl.edu) Received: from lambada.cs.wustl.edu (nanbor@lambada.cs.wustl.edu [128.252.165.142]) by rainier.cs.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with ESMTP id XAA06585 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:41:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nanbor@localhost) by lambada.cs.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) id XAA10424; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:41:14 -0500 (CDT) To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pppd difficulties after recent make world From: Nanbor Wang Date: 24 May 1998 23:41:14 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, This may not be smp specific. It may not be a problem at all. But I'm desparate.. ;( I haven't been able to keep up with current for quite some time and was running current as of this Feb. on a Micron dual PPro box connecting to my school using a 3Com ImpactIQ TA with kernel ppp. It worked perfectly for me until two days ago when I cvsup'ed the latest source and did a make world and rebuilt my kernel. After rebooting my machine, I found that pppd stop working anymore. Well, it can still establish connection with my school's CISCO AS5300 in 128k but not a single packet can get thru the connection. If I drop the connection speed down to 56k, then it works more or less. I say that because I get tons of "silo overflow" messages on the console. Further investigation shows that sometime, I get "CPP Config-Request timeout" when connecting in 128K. Tried "noccp" option with pppd but no luck. Using NT to connect shows there's no hardware problem. As I haven't updated my system and keep up with the development of current for several months, I guess this may be something obvious to you guys. Can anyone please give me some hints on where to look for the problem? Any help will be greatly appreciated. If this is not the right place to raise this question, please let me know and redirect me to the proper mailing list. TIA, Nanbor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun May 24 22:55:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24512 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 22:55:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ren.dtir.qld.gov.au (firewall-user@ns.dtir.qld.gov.au [203.108.138.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24506 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 22:55:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from syspmc@dtir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au; id PAA15757; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:55:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma015752; Mon, 25 May 98 15:55:17 +1000 Received: from atlas.dtir.qld.gov.au (atlas.dtir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.9]) by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA05159; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:55:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au (nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au [167.123.10.10]) by atlas.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28959; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:55:16 +1000 (EST) Received: (from syspmc@localhost) by nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA12303; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:55:16 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from syspmc) From: Phil Chadwick Message-Id: <199805250555.PAA12303@nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au> Subject: Re: pppd difficulties after recent make To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:55:16 +1000 (EST) Cc: nanbor@cs.wustl.edu Organization: Department of Training and Industrial Relations X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nanbor Wang writes: > Hi All, > > This may not be smp specific. It may not be a problem at all. But > I'm desparate.. ;( > > I haven't been able to keep up with current for quite some time and > was running current as of this Feb. on a Micron dual PPro box > connecting to my school using a 3Com ImpactIQ TA with kernel ppp. It > worked perfectly for me until two days ago when I cvsup'ed the latest > source and did a make world and rebuilt my kernel. > > After rebooting my machine, I found that pppd stop working anymore. > Well, it can still establish connection with my school's CISCO AS5300 > in 128k but not a single packet can get thru the connection. If I > drop the connection speed down to 56k, then it works more or less. I > say that because I get tons of "silo overflow" messages on the > console. Further investigation shows that sometime, I get "CPP > Config-Request timeout" when connecting in 128K. Tried "noccp" option > with pppd but no luck. > > Using NT to connect shows there's no hardware problem. As I haven't > updated my system and keep up with the development of current for > several months, I guess this may be something obvious to you guys. > Can anyone please give me some hints on where to look for the problem? > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > If this is not the right place to raise this question, please let me > know and redirect me to the proper mailing list. > > TIA, > > Nanbor >From a 3.0-current SMP kernel built from the CVS tree as at April 20, 1998, HylaFAX's faxq daemon (which worked from the August 12, 1997 kernel) is broken on my Tyan Tomcat III. It goes into a CPU bound infinite loop at about the time it should be initialising a modem. No kernel trace yet, and I haven't tried a UP kernel, but first wild guess is a kernel tty code bug. Phil -- Phil Chadwick Email: syspmc@dtir.qld.gov.au ,-_|\ Supervisor, UNIX Support Phone: +61 7 3247 9239 / * Department of Training Fax: +61 7 3247 9111 \_,-._/ and Industrial Relations v To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon May 25 09:36:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17589 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rainier.cs.wustl.edu (root@cs.wustl.edu [128.252.165.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17583 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nanbor@cs.wustl.edu) Received: from cs.wustl.edu (onc-isdn-21.wustl.edu [128.252.41.21]) by rainier.cs.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with ESMTP id LAA17427; Mon, 25 May 1998 11:36:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35699D2B.EA29B63D@cs.wustl.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:32:43 -0500 From: Nanbor Wang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Chadwick CC: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pppd difficulties after recent make References: <199805250555.PAA12303@nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Phil, > >From a 3.0-current SMP kernel built from the CVS tree as at April 20, > 1998, HylaFAX's faxq daemon (which worked from the August 12, 1997 > kernel) is broken on my Tyan Tomcat III. It goes into a CPU bound > infinite loop at about the time it should be initialising a modem. > No kernel trace yet, and I haven't tried a UP kernel, but first wild > guess is a kernel tty code bug. Thanks for the response. I tried to build a UP kernel but still no luck. I'll see if I can build an older version of pppd and see what happens. Thanks, Nanbor > Phil > -- Phil Chadwick > Email: syspmc@dtir.qld.gov.au ,-_|\ Supervisor, UNIX Support > Phone: +61 7 3247 9239 / * Department of Training > Fax: +61 7 3247 9111 \_,-._/ and Industrial Relations To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon May 25 18:01:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15200 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:01:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rainier.cs.wustl.edu (root@cs.wustl.edu [128.252.165.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15181 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nanbor@lambada.cs.wustl.edu) Received: from lambada.cs.wustl.edu (nanbor@lambada.cs.wustl.edu [128.252.165.142]) by rainier.cs.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with ESMTP id UAA27944; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:01:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nanbor@localhost) by lambada.cs.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) id UAA13676; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:01:25 -0500 (CDT) To: Phil Chadwick Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pppd difficulties after recent make References: <199805252141.HAA01494@nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au> From: Nanbor Wang Date: 25 May 1998 20:01:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: Phil Chadwick's message of Tue, 26 May 1998 07:41:56 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Phil, > (except for the observed behaviour of HylaFAX). I actually got pppd to work by replacing it with an older version from maybe 980225-SNAP. The only problem is that I still see quite a few "silo overflow" warnings. pppstats shows there are bunch of VJERR, almost one every six packets. nanbor@fennec ~> pppstats IN PACK VJCOMP VJUNC VJERR | OUT PACK VJCOMP VJUNC NON-VJ 2591851 3954 0 0 457 | 296143 2462 0 0 2462 Imaginably, the link is slow. I was not able to get around this by specifying either novj or novjccomp flags to pppd. Thanks very much for your help, Nanbor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue May 26 10:00:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04069 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:00:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04049 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:00:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA17043 for smp@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:00:11 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199805261700.TAA17043@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: fix for systat -vmstat intr counts To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:00:11 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Here is a possible fix for the problem that systat -vmstat show half the real interrupt rate on a dual processor SMP machine. One thing I'm not sure about is if it is necessary to do more checking on the values that sysctl return and if the return value of any of the sysctl calls should be checked. Any comments? John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za --- usr.bin/systat/vmstat.c.org Thu Sep 25 03:14:25 1997 +++ usr.bin/systat/vmstat.c Tue May 26 13:52:22 1998 @@ -104,6 +104,7 @@ static void putfloat __P((double, int, int, int, int, int)); static int ucount __P((void)); +static int ncpu; static int ut; static char buf[26]; static time_t t; @@ -402,6 +403,7 @@ } failcnt = 0; etime /= hertz; + etime /= ncpu; inttotal = 0; for (i = 0; i < nintr; i++) { if (s.intrcnt[i] == 0) @@ -619,7 +621,7 @@ struct Info *s; enum state st; { - int mib[2], size; + int mib[2], size, smpmode; extern int errno; NREAD(X_CPTIME, s->time, sizeof s->time); @@ -642,6 +644,14 @@ error("Can't get kernel info: %s\n", strerror(errno)); bzero(&s->Total, sizeof(s->Total)); } + ncpu = 1; + smpmode = 0; + size = sizeof(ncpu); + sysctlbyname("hw.ncpu", &ncpu, &size, NULL, 0); + if (ncpu > 1) + sysctlbyname("machdep.smp_active", &smpmode, &size, NULL, 0); + if ((smpmode == 0) || (ncpu < 1)) + ncpu = 1; } static void To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 30 22:24:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05231 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:24:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05220 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:24:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05683 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805310524.WAA05683@implode.root.com> To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: General SMP Instability SNAP-0523 From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:24:25 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05092 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA21367; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:25:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 30 May 1998 20:23:17 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20732 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:23:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from moon.jic.com ([206.156.0.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20679 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mbriggs@switchboard.net) Received: from switchboard.net (alex-va-n013c109.moon.jic.com [208.135.210.119]) by moon.jic.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29387 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3570CD13.87BEDFA9@switchboard.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 23:22:59 -0400 From: "Matthew R. Briggs" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.103 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: General SMP Instability SNAP-0523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I'm new to FreeBSD, having come from the Debian GNU/Linux camp. I'm very impressed with what I have seen while working with the CURRENT snapshot from 0523, but stability has been an issue. I know that the CURRENT-3.0 branch is under heavy development, but I only run SMP boxen and to try FreeBSD out I had to go to CURRENT. Here is the issue: I am able to wedge the system fairly consistently (and often) with parallel makes of various pieces of software. Not the kernel, but "make world -j4" will crash it, as will compilation of FileRunner from the ports collection (along with a few other things). The system will lock hard and drop me to the kernel debugger. Since I'm new to this, what I'm asking for is a description of what information I should send to the right people to fix any bugs or to expose my own ignorance. Here is the hardware I am using to test things out: Tyan Tiger II w/2xPII-333 128MB SDRAM UDMA IDE disk (flags set to b0ffb0ff) Matrox Millenium II AGP PS/2 mouse (though I used an adapter for serial, trying to resolve conflict with the console...no improvement) Kingston KNE40T NIC (21040-based) Thanks for any and all help...I'd really like to get this to work! Matt Briggs mbriggs-at-switchboard.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message