From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 12 10:41:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23666 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:41:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from electric.tbe.net (electric.tbe.net [207.99.115.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23649 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:40:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: (qmail 26708 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1998 17:39:59 -0000 Received: from electric.tbe.net (207.99.115.10) by electric.tbe.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 1998 17:39:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:39:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Micronics W6-Li Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I boot up the machine after running the install (which completes fine, btw. 3.0-520-SNAP), I get a 'read error' message, and it won't boot. If I boot off the install floppy and specify the hard drive, it will boot fine. The drive is a 4.3 Gb Seagate Barracuda, narrow. I have also tried plugging in my older 4.3 Gb Seagate Hawk, but same message. I recall someone saying something about these boards having trouble recognizing a partition over 1 Gb, but not really sure... Anyone have any similar problems? ______________________________________________________________ -Gary Margiotta Voice: (973) 835-9696 TBE Internet Services Fax: (973) 835-2133 http://www.tbe.net E-Mail: gary@tbe.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 02:43:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06835 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from monk.via.net (monk.via.net [209.81.9.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA06830 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@via.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by monk.via.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id CAA26045 for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:42:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:42:04 -0700 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199807130942.CAA26045@monk.via.net> To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: crash X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just built smp for the first time this afternoon. What's the status - should I just reload 2.2.6-RELEASE? -current freshly built from todays sources... /usr/ports/lang/perl5 make panic: pmap_dispose_proc: upage already missing??? mplock = 01000001; cpuid=1 lapic.id=01000000 boot() called on cpu#1 Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 04:41:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19703 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:41:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from icicle.winternet.com (adm@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA19698 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:41:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mestery@mail.winternet.com) Received: (from adm@localhost) by icicle.winternet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07395; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:41:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tundra.winternet.com(198.174.169.11) by icicle.winternet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007379; Mon, 13 Jul 98 06:40:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id GAA28931; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:40:47 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: tundra.winternet.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:40:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Kyle Mestery To: "Gary D. Margiotta" cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Micronics W6-Li In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > When I boot up the machine after running the install (which completes > fine, btw. 3.0-520-SNAP), I get a 'read error' message, and it won't > boot. If I boot off the install floppy and specify the hard drive, it > will boot fine. The drive is a 4.3 Gb Seagate Barracuda, narrow. I have > also tried plugging in my older 4.3 Gb Seagate Hawk, but same message. > When you created the partitions, did you do it so the partitions are DOS compatible? If not, go back and reinstall and do it that way. Also make sure in the SCSI BIOS you are using DOS compatible partitions. -- Kyle Mestery StorageTek's Network Systems Group "I'll take what you're willing to give, and I'll teach myself to live, with a walk-on part of a background shot from a movie I'm not in." - Blink 182, "Apple Shampoo" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 08:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14079 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles231.castles.com [208.214.165.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14072 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21878; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807121825.LAA21878@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Gary D. Margiotta" cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Micronics W6-Li In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:39:58 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:25:49 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > When I boot up the machine after running the install (which completes > fine, btw. 3.0-520-SNAP), I get a 'read error' message, and it won't > boot. If I boot off the install floppy and specify the hard drive, it > will boot fine. The drive is a 4.3 Gb Seagate Barracuda, narrow. I have > also tried plugging in my older 4.3 Gb Seagate Hawk, but same message. > > I recall someone saying something about these boards having trouble > recognizing a partition over 1 Gb, but not really sure... If you're using an Adaptec 2940, try flipping the "BIOS translation for > 1GB" option. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 10:08:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27256 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:08:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from macs.mxim.com (macs.mxim.com [204.17.143.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27251 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaele@mxim.com) Received: from localhost (michaele@localhost) by macs.mxim.com (8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA07721; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:07:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Enkelis X-Sender: michaele@macs To: Mike Smith cc: "Gary D. Margiotta" , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Micronics W6-Li In-Reply-To: <199807121825.LAA21878@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > When I boot up the machine after running the install (which completes > > fine, btw. 3.0-520-SNAP), I get a 'read error' message, and it won't > > boot. If I boot off the install floppy and specify the hard drive, it > > will boot fine. The drive is a 4.3 Gb Seagate Barracuda, narrow. I have > > also tried plugging in my older 4.3 Gb Seagate Hawk, but same message. > > > > I recall someone saying something about these boards having trouble > > recognizing a partition over 1 Gb, but not really sure... I had the same problem with my Micronics P54E and a 4.x Gb Quantium drive. After doing some checking i found a note on the BIOS saying that they had made a mistake and were not saveing enuf bits in CMOS to allow for drives over 1Gb in size. The way i fixed my system was to boot up MS-DOS, and created a small DOS partition, and made it bootable. NOTE1: BIOS still would not boot directly to hard disk yet (READ ERROR)! I then booted to FreeBSD from startup floppy and setup system in the unused disk space KEEPING the MS-DOS partition. When asked for boot loader to be installed i selected the MULTI-OS boot loader, and then proceded with normal FreeBSD install. The Micronics MB now can boot to DOS or FreeBSD, since the OS-LOADER can correctly boot large disk drives. Since my P54 is EISA & PCI bus, i loaded the EISA config utils into the DOS partition to make my system configs easer. I also loaded some of my Adaptec SCSI diag tools into the DOS partition. NOTE2: I am using an Adaptec 2940-UW controller and enableing "large" drive support in the onboard bios was done. I also tried enabling the large drive support in the P54 BIOS (OS type= OTHER) and was still getting the "READ ERROR" up to the time I installed the MULTI-OS LOADER. _ _ _ __ michaele@mxim.com ' ) ) ) / /) / ` / /) Michael Enkelis / / / o _. /_ __. _ // /-- __ /_ _ // o _ (503) 641 - 3737 x2245 / ' (_(_(__/ /_(_(_(<_(/_ (___, /) )_/ <_(<_(/_(_/_)_ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 10:39:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03142 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:39:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tomservo.ee.calpoly.edu (tomservo.ee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03120 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kwayman@tomservo.ee.calpoly.edu) Received: (from kwayman@localhost) by tomservo.ee.calpoly.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01021 for freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:48:17 GMT (envelope-from kwayman) From: Kyle Wayman Message-Id: <199807131748.RAA01021@tomservo.ee.calpoly.edu> Subject: It Works!!! (almost...) To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:48:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just got a dual PPro 200 on a PR440FX working last night. Everything seems to be running smoothly. I've only had one glitch. When I went to configure X, it complained that there was no mouse configured. I looked in my conf filei, MY-SMP: device psm0 at isa? disable port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr Well, it's there, just like when I was running 2.2.2. It worked in the older version. But now it doesn't even show up in the dmesg. There a problem with mouses in general in 3.0, or in the psm device in specific? Anybody else had this problem? ----------------------------------------------------------------- = Kyle Wayman kwayman@ee.calpoly.edu = = System Administrator office: 805-756-1390 = = EE Department, Cal Poly, SLO page: 805-542-5777 = ----------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 10:58:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05437 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:58:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.hughes.net (mail.hughes.net [205.139.35.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05375; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jer@hughes.net) Received: from ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com (47-110.hughes.net [208.135.47.110]) by mail.hughes.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-13727) with SMTP id AAA1842; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:58:23 -0700 Message-ID: <009501bdae88$70e84f20$6e2f87d0@ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com> From: "Jeremy Domingue" To: , , , Subject: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:02:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all... First of all, parts of this message may sound like Linux bashing to some people... that's not my intent, so if I come across that way I apoligize. Also, this message is going to be pretty long... please bear with me. I started using Linux (RedHat) a year ago. At first, I had a lot of problems but I assumed that was simply because I was very unexperienced and had to go through the normal learning curve that everyone does. About 8 months ago, I got myself a brand new Gateway (ALR) Pentium II 266 server, and needless to say I was completely excited. I thought that with this new hardware linux was going to completely ROCK and fix some of the problems I was having with my previous (clone) server. Obviously, since I am here now, it did not. Ever since I first installed Linux a year ago I have been going back and forth from bug to bug, problem to problem, in a never ending battle of trying to get my server to stay up any more than a week. I have been told everything from "your hardware is bad" to "wait for the next version" to "that's not supported" to "there are bugs in that code and someone needs to fix it". Frankly, I am SICK of hearing this again and again! If I had some piece of crap clone hardware, I could probably understand some of the issues I have been having, but this is name brand (what I thought to be) quality hardware! I have replaced almost every piece of hardware in that server under the assumption it was bad and it has not helped one bit. When I started out with my new Gateway server, it was just a plain Pentium II 266 w/ 128mb of RAM. After googles of crashes, I thought, well, maybe it just isn't enough server for the load. So, I proceeded to get a second PII processor and upgraded to 512mb of RAM. More crashes, different errors, the story of my life with Linux. I have tried the latest release and development kernels, just about every patch I can find, and nothing works with it. It is the most unstable computer I have ever used in my entrie life... and I run an NT box as well (pretty sad the NT box stays up for months on end and I can't even keep the linux box running a week). So, at this point, I am looking for a fresh start, something that will allow the server to actually run a week or more without crashing. Finally, to my questions about FreeBSD: 1) First and foremost, I am wondering what issues I will face being a user very accustomed to linux. I know there will be differences between linux and FreeBSD, but can anyone outline some of the major ones? 2) Is there a way I can install FreeBSD without losing all of the stuff on the server right now such as user files, web pages, programs, etc? And possibly keep linux on there somewhere in case I ever decide to go back? 3) Is anyone using SMP on FreeBSD with an Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI controller? Linux people keep telling me that this is not a good configuration for Linux... how about for FreeBSD? 4) I know that the current build of FreeBSD is listed as development and should not be used in a mission critical environment, however, what are people's experiences with it so far? If it seems to be fairly stable, I would be willing to give it a shot... I really need the SMP support. 5) Are there any other problems or issues I may face with my hardware configuration (listed below)? I would also be very interested in hearing from other previous (or current) Linux users' experiences with FreeBSD, and what comments they may have about the differences and advantages (especially stability-wise) to using FreeBSD instead of Linux. Any input would be greatly appreciated.... Only 24 hours till the next Linux crash... woo hoo! TIA, Jeremy Domingue jer@hughes.net Hardware Configuration: Gateway (formerly ALR) NS-7000 Server Dual PII 266mhz 512mb EDO ECC SDRAM (all from the same lot, same manufacturer) Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI controller 3Com 10/100 Ethernet Card 2-4.1gb IBM SCSI hard drives To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 11:37:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12713 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:37:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ix.netcom.com (sil-wa3-03.ix.netcom.com [206.214.137.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12706 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:37:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean@ix.netcom.com) Received: (from tomdean@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00846; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807131836.LAA00846@ix.netcom.com> From: Thomas Dean To: kwayman@tomservo.ee.calpoly.edu CC: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199807131748.RAA01021@tomservo.ee.calpoly.edu> (message from Kyle Wayman on Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:48:17 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: It Works!!! (almost...) Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What does the pointer section of your XF86Config say? What do you see with # ls -l /dev/mouse /dev/psm* lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 9 Jul 22 1997 /dev/mouse@ -> /dev/psm0 crw------- 1 root wheel 21, 1 Mar 15 11:47 /dev/psm0 # grep -B1 -A2 "PS/2" /etc/XF86Config Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/mouse" # dmesg | grep psm psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 12:01:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16240 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:01:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kaori.communique.net (kaori.communique.net [204.27.67.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16233 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tjohnson@verio.net) Received: by kaori.INTERNAL with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:00:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tony Johnson To: "'Kyle Wayman'" , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: It Works!!! (almost...) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:00:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BDAE66.A0BF22E0" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDAE66.A0BF22E0 Content-Type: text/plain Looks like you have psm0 disabled. Remove the disable and recompile the kernel -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Wayman [mailto:kwayman@tomservo.ee.calpoly.edu] Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:48 PM To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: It Works!!! (almost...) Just got a dual PPro 200 on a PR440FX working last night. Everything seems to be running smoothly. I've only had one glitch. When I went to configure X, it complained that there was no mouse configured. I looked in my conf filei, MY-SMP: device psm0 at isa? disable port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr Well, it's there, just like when I was running 2.2.2. It worked in the older version. But now it doesn't even show up in the dmesg. There a problem with mouses in general in 3.0, or in the psm device in specific? Anybody else had this problem? ----------------------------------------------------------------- = Kyle Wayman kwayman@ee.calpoly.edu = = System Administrator office: 805-756-1390 = = EE Department, Cal Poly, SLO page: 805-542-5777 = ----------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDAE66.A0BF22E0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Tony Johnson.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Tony Johnson.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Johnson;Greg FN:Tony Johnson EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:tjohnson@gulfsouth.verio.net REV:19980326T195655Z END:VCARD ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDAE66.A0BF22E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 16:18:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01671 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from engulf.net (engulf.com [207.96.124.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01620; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brandon@engulf.net) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by engulf.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA10505; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:14:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Lockhart To: Jeremy Domingue cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <009501bdae88$70e84f20$6e2f87d0@ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First of all, I do not recommend Gateway 2k for server's. Get a COMPAQ or HP or SUN. RISC is the way to go. Second of all, no offense, but I don't need to hear your life story about your *server*, you could have just asked the questions. :1) First and foremost, I am wondering what issues I will face being a user :very accustomed to linux. I know there will be differences between linux and :FreeBSD, but can anyone outline some of the major ones? Well, let's see. Linux is a clone of SYSV, and FreeBSD a clone of BSD, is that major enough for you? Possibly different devices, different FS, different operating system, just to name a few. :2) Is there a way I can install FreeBSD without losing all of the stuff on :the server right now such as user files, web pages, programs, etc? And :possibly keep linux on there somewhere in case I ever decide to go back? Ever heard of a tape backup or multiple partitions? Possibly a nice CD-RW :3) Is anyone using SMP on FreeBSD with an Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI :controller? Linux people keep telling me that this is not a good :configuration for Linux... how about for FreeBSD? Most likely. I am not to experienced with it. :4) I know that the current build of FreeBSD is listed as development and :should not be used in a mission critical environment, however, what are :people's experiences with it so far? If it seems to be fairly stable, I :would be willing to give it a shot... I really need the SMP support. I love my 3.0-CURRENT, update every saturday. yes, sometimes I do need to patch some things, but hey, that's what you get when you have crappy hardware. :5) Are there any other problems or issues I may face with my hardware :configuration (listed below)? Read #1, difference device names and you may have faster access to the devices, if that is a problem for you. Your performance will most likely be boosted, and you will most likely have a more stable system, my suggestion, hit it with a stick twice a night or until it crashes to solve the stability problem. :I would also be very interested in hearing from other previous (or current) :Linux users' experiences with FreeBSD, and what comments they may have about :the differences and advantages (especially stability-wise) to using FreeBSD :instead of Linux. : :Any input would be greatly appreciated.... : :Only 24 hours till the next Linux crash... woo hoo! : :TIA, : :Jeremy Domingue :jer@hughes.net : :Hardware Configuration: : :Gateway (formerly ALR) NS-7000 Server :Dual PII 266mhz :512mb EDO ECC SDRAM (all from the same lot, same manufacturer) :Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI controller :3Com 10/100 Ethernet Card :2-4.1gb IBM SCSI hard drives : : :To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message : ,-----------------------------------------------------------------. | //// "Anything I say represents only my opinion." | | (o o) / | | ,---ooO--(_)--Ooo---------------------------------------------, | | | BRANDON LOCKHART | | | `-------------------------------------------------------------' | | brandon.lockhart@usinternetworking.com brandon@engulf.net | | Work: (410) 897-4551 Pager: (888) xxx-xxxx | `-----------------------------------------------------------------' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 17:04:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11068 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:04:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lucy.bedford.net (lucy.bedford.net [206.99.145.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10909; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:04:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from listread@lucy.bedford.net) Received: (from listread@localhost) by lucy.bedford.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02118; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:38:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from listread) Message-Id: <199807132338.TAA02118@lucy.bedford.net> Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <009501bdae88$70e84f20$6e2f87d0@ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com> from Jeremy Domingue at "Jul 13, 98 11:02:45 am" To: jer@hughes.net (Jeremy Domingue) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-no-archive: yes Reply-to: djv@bedford.net From: CyberPeasant X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeremy Domingue wrote: [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Hey all... > > tale of woe snipped... > Finally, to my questions about FreeBSD: > > 1) First and foremost, I am wondering what issues I will face being a user > very accustomed to linux. I know there will be differences between linux and > FreeBSD, but can anyone outline some of the major ones? Well, BSD is BSD and Linux is SysVish. You will find system startup procedures different. There are different systems calls, and slightly different file system semantics. There are a few conventional differences in where files go. (Mail folders in /var/mail, not /var/spool/mail, man pages in /usr/share/man, not /usr/man... stuff like that). These are all minor things. Ease the transition by using bash as your shell. Applications stay the same, by and large. Sendmail is sendmail, BIND is BIND. X is X. Apache is apache... > 2) Is there a way I can install FreeBSD without losing all of the stuff on > the server right now such as user files, web pages, programs, etc? And > possibly keep linux on there somewhere in case I ever decide to go back? Not a problem. See the webpage www.freebsd.org. Essentially, you need some free primary partition. FreeBSD will read your linux partitions just dandy. (You'll need to build a kernel for this, though, I think). Linux Intel binaries can (with some exceptions) be run efficiently under linux emulation. > 3) Is anyone using SMP on FreeBSD with an Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI > controller? Linux people keep telling me that this is not a good > configuration for Linux... how about for FreeBSD? I don't know about the SMP aspects, but for single processor use (in my case PPro 200), the 7880 has been the source of no problems. My impression from the list is that this is a "good" SCSI card/chip. Again, how that impacts on SMP, I don't know. > 4) I know that the current build of FreeBSD is listed as development and > should not be used in a mission critical environment, however, what are > people's experiences with it so far? If it seems to be fairly stable, I > would be willing to give it a shot... I really need the SMP support. don't know. Try it single processor with 2.2.6-RELEASE and see if you /really/ need SMP. *BSD* is rumored to work better under load than Linux. ;-) You'll probably want to tweak up a custom kernel, anyway. > 5) Are there any other problems or issues I may face with my hardware > configuration (listed below)? The only problem I see is with the NIC. If it's a 3C905B, there's trouble: not yet supported. Tell the list precisely what kind it is. I don't use a 3Com NIC of any type. Since you're a commercial site, forking out for a different NIC (Intel 100B seems to be the current "fave"), is a minor problem. > I would also be very interested in hearing from other previous (or current) > Linux users' experiences with FreeBSD, and what comments they may have about > the differences and advantages (especially stability-wise) to using FreeBSD > instead of Linux. I had very good stability experiences with Linux (lightly loaded machine, very very vanilla hardware); what drove me from Linux was the continual upgrade/configuration game. It seemed that, just to keep the machine in some semblence of "current" (i.e. bug removal) required a great deal of effort, newsgroup and mailinglist stalking, fussing with various packages/rpms/blah from a thousand places on the 'net. I had installed BSD (Open and Net) on other machines, and noticed that all I did with them was /boot them and use them/, that I just wasn't fussing around so much, that the machines that I could rely on weren't the one I was fooling around with. So I turned all the i86 hardware over to FreeBSD. Yup, no more configuration games. No more wondering which version of ld.so works this week. The BSD's behave much more like a commercial Unix: install, configure, test/checkout, put it into production. Then sit back and read the logs. There are no "distribution" nightmares or libc/glibc version shennanigans. The "distribution" is everything: kernel, source, userland. This may seem unimportant, until you realize how little of /your/ time and thought goes into using it. Slick, in other words. The other Linux misfeature that drove me away was the low quality and disinterest in the improvemnet of such unglamorous things as NFS, the r-commands, some userland security things. Despite the fact that the source code has been free for-- what? 10 years?-- linux still can't seem to read and write a unix filesystem. Why? Well, "ext2fs is superior! Use that! N.I.H.!" I don't think you can run an arbitrary *BSD* binary under Linux, either. "Just recompile it!" > Hardware Configuration: > > Gateway (formerly ALR) NS-7000 Server > Dual PII 266mhz > 512mb EDO ECC SDRAM (all from the same lot, same manufacturer) > Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI controller > 3Com 10/100 Ethernet Card See above. > 2-4.1gb IBM SCSI hard drives Dave -- Sancho Panza: `Microsoft Windows NT Server is the most secure network operating system available.' Don Quixote: `You are mistaken, Sancho.' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 17:56:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19632 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geeklab.globalserve.net ([209.90.144.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19619; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from philipp@globalserve.net) Received: from localhost (philipp@localhost) by geeklab.globalserve.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA18012; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:17:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: geeklab.globalserve.net: philipp owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:17:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Philipp To: Jeremy Domingue cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <009501bdae88$70e84f20$6e2f87d0@ws-47-110.selectaswitch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Jeremy Domingue wrote: > 3) Is anyone using SMP on FreeBSD with an Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI > controller? Linux people keep telling me that this is not a good > configuration for Linux... how about for FreeBSD? Where I work we have a dual PII with built in SCSI controller. In my opinion this was a bad buy, but that's the process of "gaining experience" I guess. First off look at what a built in SCSI can do to you... Imagine yourself in a scenario where it's a sunday morning and the built in adapter somehow dies. Not only do you have to replace the motherboard but you'll be looking all over town for a place that sells these dual cpu motherboards. It's much easier to find a place with an external scsi adapter, and you'll be off after replacing it (or if you're smart you'll have a spare scsi card lying around somewhere, and just replace the broken one...would you have a spare motherboard lying around for the price it is?).. I don't think we use the built in scsi on the box at all...it's just too much pain fiddling with it. I'd stay away from it. Hope that helps... Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 17:56:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19659 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wireless.wdc.net (wireless.wdc.net [204.140.136.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19631 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:56:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bad@wireless.wdc.net) Received: (from bad@localhost) by wireless.wdc.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) id SAA11060 for smp@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:12:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bernie Doehner Message-Id: <199807140112.SAA11060@wireless.wdc.net> To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe smp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 13 21:26:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14412 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:26:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles193.castles.com [208.214.165.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14407 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00484; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807140426.VAA00484@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Peter Philipp cc: Jeremy Domingue , smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:17:54 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:26:09 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Jeremy Domingue wrote: > > > 3) Is anyone using SMP on FreeBSD with an Adaptec 7880 on-board SCSI > > controller? Linux people keep telling me that this is not a good > > configuration for Linux... how about for FreeBSD? > > Where I work we have a dual PII with built in SCSI controller. In my > opinion this was a bad buy, but that's the process of "gaining experience" > I guess. This is ridiculously bogus. Integrated SCSI, and particularly a decent integrated SCSI controller, can be an excellent buy. > First off look at what a built in SCSI can do to you... > Imagine yourself in a scenario where it's a sunday morning and the > built in adapter somehow dies. Not only do you have to replace the > motherboard but you'll be looking all over town for a place that sells > these dual cpu motherboards. It's much easier to find a place with an > external scsi adapter, and you'll be off after replacing it (or if you're > smart you'll have a spare scsi card lying around somewhere, and just > replace the broken one...would you have a spare motherboard lying around > for the price it is?).. This is like saying that you shouldn't wear cotton underwear because maybe some aliens or them damn commies will suddenly infest your town with a lethal cotton-eating virus. "Pish tosh". > I don't think we use the built in scsi on the box at all...it's just too > much pain fiddling with it. I'd stay away from it. Well, having bought more than a few boards with integrated SCSI in my time, and never _not_ used it, I think your sample is unusefully small. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Jul 15 08:41:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04763 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:41:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA04753 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:41:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcmyers@concord.Corp.Sun.COM) Received: from Corp.Sun.COM ([129.145.35.78]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id IAA06720 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:40:50 -0700 Received: from concord.Corp.Sun.COM by Corp.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id IAA19392; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:40:49 -0700 Received: from concord.corp.sun.com by concord.Corp.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA15522; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:40:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199807151540.IAA15522@concord.Corp.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: david.myers@Corp.Sun.COM Subject: PCI Write Combining? To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks: Anybody notice that enabling PCI write combining (the so-called "fastvid" hack) causes the SMP kernel to lock up solid once X is running? In text mode, the kernel seems stable, but once X is started, it's like a counter starts ticking, and within about five minutes, it freezes. Disabling write combining lets X run without any difficulties. Known bug? I'm running SNAP-980523 on a Tyan 1662 with 5.01(?) BIOS. -David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Jul 15 11:56:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01619 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:56:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA01612 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcmyers@concord.Corp.Sun.COM) Received: from Corp.Sun.COM ([129.145.35.78]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id LAA04841; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:56:16 -0700 Received: from concord.Corp.Sun.COM by Corp.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id LAA17293; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:56:16 -0700 Received: from concord.corp.sun.com by concord.Corp.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA17384; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:56:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199807151856.LAA17384@concord.Corp.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT) From: david.myers@Corp.Sun.COM Subject: RE: PCI Write Combining? To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: tjohnson@verio.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org tjohnson@verio.net (Tony Johnson) wrote: > What type of video card do you have? I have the same motherboard and > same bios and after looking at this... > > http://www.fastgraphics.com/txt/boothd.txt > > I will try it and see if I have the same results. I have a Matrox Mil > w/8meg Wram. Thanks for pointing this out. Good point: video card is Matrox Millenium II, 8MB WRAM. I should also point out that write combining can be toggled on/off by the user in my BIOS. I'm not using the FastVid LKM that was floating around a while ago... -David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Jul 15 15:22:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25488 for freebsd-smp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk (exim@myrddin.demon.co.uk [158.152.54.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25454; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk) Received: from dom by myrddin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0ywLpN-0000MH-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:18:13 +0100 To: djv@bedford.net Cc: jer@hughes.net (Jeremy Domingue), current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disgruntled Linux User... questions about FreeBSD References: <199807132338.TAA02118@lucy.bedford.net> From: Dom Mitchell In-Reply-To: CyberPeasant's message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:38:41 -0400 (EDT)" X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:18:13 +0100 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org CyberPeasant writes: > The BSD's behave much more like a commercial Unix: No they don't; they crash less often and have more features. -- ``If make doesn't do what you expect it to, it's a good chance the makefile is wrong.'' -- Adam de Boor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message