From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Dec 20 08:10:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23455 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:10:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep02-svc.tin.it (mta02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23448 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:10:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.236.96]) by fep02-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981220161022.HSAM6147.fep02-svc@winworkstation>; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:10:22 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:14:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Why doesn't it compile? CC: Alfred Perlstein X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981220161022.HSAM6147.fep02-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'm going to try _to_ be nice here. > As you want. > > Now what I have done is: > > > > 1) build the binutils. (No prob here) > > > > 2) unpacked the egcs1.1b > > > > 3) updated using patch to 1.1.1 > > > > 4) configured with > > > > --prefix=.... --target=sparc64-elf and --host=i586-unknown-freebsd2.2.7 > > Why the hell are you working with 2.2.7? We are working on -current (3.0) > and even so, 2.2.8 has been out for quite a long time. Why? I'm poor, I'm a student and I have not a credit card. I cannot buy cdrom in USA (no credit card, remember) and here in Italy I have found only the 2.2.7 version. Actually I have ordered (3 weeks ago) the 3.0 version and still nothing here in my hands or on my desk. If you prefer I can stop trying to experiment and developing with this port effort. You said there are a few developers, now I'm seriously considering to decrease that number by one... There's no help from this group and everything seems like a "private club". Noone post documents where it's explained how to do things in the "cooking book" way. I have tried to write some documents, but mine seems an isolated effort. > This configure line is way broken. Why? Where? ( I'm not saying it's not broken, I don't know, but you could be of more help if you tell me why and where it's broken.) > > 5) given > > gmake LANGUAGES="c" LIBGCC2_INCLUDES=-I/usr/include > I'm unsure if you're totally ignoring my advice on how to build this > properly. **PLEASE** check the archives of this list for my email. I have read all emails. But I have no choose. If you prefer I can stop annoying you with my messages and try to do it by myself, but the meaning of the word "group" means "more than one". So I can develop and ignore email (not so much in the last days) of this group, and when in the next years I have finished freebsd-sparc I can post a message. Or, I can try to solve my problems asking someone else (you in this case) to help me, to tell me where I can find docs, etc... > I think you need to work on this a lot more before you get involved with > this effort. > As you want. Tell me where I can read more about what you think can improve my knolwdge. > Get 3.0, read my message, look at the archive for Kapil's hints and my > message. I asked, many times, to all developers, to do docs, a more omogenic source, and many other things. I know everyone has other things to do, but I prefer to have one doc more than having 30 lines of uncommented code. I want to learn and improve the port effort and (this is my opinion) I cannot do it with "blind" source code (uncommented code, or code whose meaning is known only by who wrote the code) > I'm not even close to an expert on this stuff, but following the posts > Kapil and I have made isn't that difficult. No prob. Maybe I'm stupid. But I prefer to work on all platforms trying to build a toolchain. About which version of FreeBSD I'm actually using. I don't remember no mex where we have said we need 3.0 to _compile_ the toolchain. I don't remember this constrain. Yes, we said we have to start with the 3.0 kernel code, but I'm not working on the kernel code (yet), only building the toolchain. And more: I'm trying to build a toolchain to do experiments on various platforms. If you are interested send me a private e-mail. Thanks for your time. P.S. If you (reader) are interested: I have compiled binutils1.9.1 and now working on egcs1.1.1 (egcs1.1b with diff to update 1.1.1). Binutils compile well under FreeBSD2.2.7 and RhapsodyDR2/Intel. Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Dec 22 01:03:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20136 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:03:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep03-svc.tin.it (mta03-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20129 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.94]) by fep03-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981222090251.CUQO18112.fep03-svc@winworkstation> for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:02:51 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 03:45:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Cross compiled code X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981222090251.CUQO18112.fep03-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone if this code is correct? ----- the original program prova.c (c code) ------- main(){ int a,b; a = 10; b = 20 + a; } -------------------------------------------- compiled with xgcc -S -------------------------------------------- .file "prova.c" .section ".text" .align 4 .global main .type main,#function .proc 04 main: !#PROLOGUE# 0 save %sp,-208,%sp !#PROLOGUE# 1 mov 10,%o0 st %o0,[%fp+2027] ld [%fp+2027],%o0 add %o0,20,%o1 st %o1,[%fp+2023] .LL1: return %i7+8 nop .LLfe1: .size main,.LLfe1-main .ident "GCC: (GNU) egcs-2.91.60 19981201 (egcs-1.1.1 release)" --------------------------------------------------------------- I have linked it and it seems ok. P.S. host=Linux-RedHat5.0 Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Dec 22 01:03:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20148 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:03:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep03-svc.tin.it (mta03-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20134 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:03:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.94]) by fep03-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981222090258.CURC18112.fep03-svc@winworkstation> for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:02:58 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 03:30:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: as is acting funny. References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981222090258.CURC18112.fep03-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Why is 'as' giving me: > > > > ./xgcc -B./ -DCROSS_COMPILE -DIN_GCC -g -I./include -I. -I. -I./config > > -g0 \ > > -finhibit-size-directive -fno-inline-functions \ > > -c ./crtstuff.c -DCRT_BEGIN -o crtbegin.o > > /usr/libexec/elf/as: option `-s' is ambiguous > I have the same prob. Which is the solution? I have used as-i386 and as-sparc64 ("cross-assembler") from binutils 2.9.1 but nothing, the xgcc pass the argument -s uncorrectly. Why? If I do it by hand it works... > You'll need to make a cross-assembler from binutils. > I have tried the cross-assembler and a genuine i386 assembler. The -s option is not present in both as. Why? Where am I wrong? Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Dec 22 06:42:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25243 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:42:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25227 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:42:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA53524; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:45:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:45:37 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Paolo Di Francesco cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cross compiled code In-Reply-To: <19981222090251.CUQO18112.fep03-svc@winworkstation> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try -fomit-frampointer (or equiv) %fp offset looks offwhack, but i'm not sure. the code looks ok and i commented it for you. (*) means i'm unsure, but i'll check my book on the way to work. -Alfred > Can someone if this code is correct? > > > ----- the original program prova.c (c code) ------- > > > main(){ > int a,b; > > a = 10; > b = 20 + a; > } > > -------------------------------------------- > > compiled with xgcc -S > > -------------------------------------------- > .file "prova.c" > .section ".text" > .align 4 > .global main > .type main,#function > .proc 04 > main: > !#PROLOGUE# 0 > save %sp,-208,%sp ! adjust stack fram > !#PROLOGUE# 1 > mov 10,%o0 ! a = 10 > st %o0,[%fp+2027] ! this looks fishy 2027 looks a bit high(*) > ld [%fp+2027],%o0 ! fishy (*) > add %o0,20,%o1 ! a + 20 -> > st %o1,[%fp+2023] ! fishy (*) > .LL1: > return %i7+8 > nop > .LLfe1: > .size main,.LLfe1-main > .ident "GCC: (GNU) egcs-2.91.60 19981201 (egcs-1.1.1 release)" > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have linked it and it seems ok. > > P.S. host=Linux-RedHat5.0 > > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Dec 22 06:44:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25598 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:44:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25585 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:44:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA53528; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:48:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:48:02 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Paolo Di Francesco cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: as is acting funny. In-Reply-To: <19981222090258.CURC18112.fep03-svc@winworkstation> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > > > > Why is 'as' giving me: > > > > > > ./xgcc -B./ -DCROSS_COMPILE -DIN_GCC -g -I./include -I. -I. -I./config > > > -g0 \ > > > -finhibit-size-directive -fno-inline-functions \ > > > -c ./crtstuff.c -DCRT_BEGIN -o crtbegin.o > > > /usr/libexec/elf/as: option `-s' is ambiguous > > > > I have the same prob. Which is the solution? > > I have used as-i386 and as-sparc64 ("cross-assembler") from binutils 2.9.1 > but nothing, the xgcc pass the argument -s uncorrectly. Why? > If I do it by hand it works... > > > You'll need to make a cross-assembler from binutils. > > > > I have tried the cross-assembler and a genuine i386 assembler. The -s option is > not present in both as. Why? > > Where am I wrong? > ok, if you have done it so it installs into: /usr/local/sparc64 then you need to prepend '/usr/local/sparc64/sparc64-elf/bin' to your path. -Alfred > > > > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Dec 22 14:36:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08636 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:36:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08567 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:36:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id OAA07882; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id OAA02592; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:35:49 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id PAA06942; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:35:48 -0700 Message-ID: <36801EC4.26276FD6@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:35:48 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Perlstein CC: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cross compiled code References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Try -fomit-frampointer (or equiv) > %fp offset looks offwhack, but i'm not sure. the code looks ok and i > commented it for you. (*) means i'm unsure, but i'll check my book on the > way to work. The 2027 and 2023 offsets are probably relocation symbols, not offsets. Link this into an executable and then dump the code with objdump -d from binutils if you want to see the real offsets. Paolo Di Francesco coded: > > > > ----- the original program prova.c (c code) ------- > > > > > > main(){ > > int a,b; > > > > a = 10; > > b = 20 + a; > > } > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > compiled with xgcc -S > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > .file "prova.c" > > .section ".text" > > .align 4 > > .global main > > .type main,#function > > .proc 04 > > main: > > !#PROLOGUE# 0 > > save %sp,-208,%sp ! adjust stack fram > > !#PROLOGUE# 1 > > mov 10,%o0 ! a = 10 > > st %o0,[%fp+2027] ! this looks fishy 2027 looks a bit high(*) > > ld [%fp+2027],%o0 ! fishy (*) > > add %o0,20,%o1 ! a + 20 -> > > st %o1,[%fp+2023] ! fishy (*) > > .LL1: > > return %i7+8 > > nop > > .LLfe1: > > .size main,.LLfe1-main > > .ident "GCC: (GNU) egcs-2.91.60 19981201 (egcs-1.1.1 release)" -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Dec 22 16:00:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20824 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:00:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hil-img-2.compuserve.com (hil-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.177.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20732 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:00:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 101355.2112@compuserve.com) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id TAA23318 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:00:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:58:07 -0500 From: Thierry Boudet <101355.2112@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Cross compiled code To: Free Sparc BSD Message-ID: <199812221900_MC2-647E-A1BB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The 2027 and 2023 offsets are probably relocation symbols, not offsets. Or maybe the stack is 'demand-paged' and 20xx bytes are preallocated ? Just my 2 milli-euros. Merry Xmas & Happy new year. Thierry. (Toulouse, France) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Dec 24 16:35:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12634 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:35:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep06-svc.tin.it (pop02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12615 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:34:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.236.104]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:11:12 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:14:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Read this... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about > > this, perhaps contact sun? > > Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on > limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be > prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people > who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither > financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, > you have to earn it. Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of view: 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" and read where "it's documented at page..." Thanks for youe time 8) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Dec 24 17:14:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16303 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:14:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16237 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:14:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA12052; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:14:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Paolo Di Francesco" cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Read this... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:14:17 GMT." <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:14:38 -0500 Message-ID: <12048.914548478@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Paolo Di Francesco" wrote in message ID <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation>: > 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a > Sun Ultra5, only to "play" with it. Curiosity begs me to ask why you are so eager to work on a USparc port if you neither have the hardware nor the funds to get the hardware? I can understand people who have hardware around, or people who have a need for some hardware which is better than PC and can buy some test hardware, but I can't readily think of a reason why I'd be so eager to port to hardware I don't have nor can't afford. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Dec 25 16:27:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16646 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:27:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep02-svc.tin.it (mta02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16641 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:27:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.236.104]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:11:12 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:14:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Read this... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about > > this, perhaps contact sun? > > Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on > limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be > prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people > who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither > financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, > you have to earn it. Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of view: 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" and read where "it's documented at page..." Thanks for youe time 8) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Dec 25 17:45:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21609 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from athena.bfmni.com (www.bfmni.com [206.172.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21604 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:45:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsmith@bfmni.com) Received: from whatzit ([206.172.20.175]) by athena.bfmni.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-30094U35) with SMTP id AAA190 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:44:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be3071$539ba6e0$6403a8c0@comstyle.com> From: bsmith@bfmni.com (Brad Smith) To: Subject: Re: Read this... Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:44:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there something wrong with the mailing list ?? Ive seen this same message 5 times now in 2 days. Brad > > >> Alfred Perlstein wrote: >> > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about >> > this, perhaps contact sun? >> > >> Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on >> limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be >> prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people >> who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither >> financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, >> you have to earn it. > >Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of >view: > >1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun >Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for >experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something >like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give >me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra >box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some >way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word >"Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. > >2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how >it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can >find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. >So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... > >3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the >harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) >with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" >and read where "it's documented at page..." > >Thanks for youe time 8) > > > >Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Dec 26 16:22:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18700 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:22:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep08-svc.tin.it (pop04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18695 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.236.104]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:11:12 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:14:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Read this... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about > > this, perhaps contact sun? > > Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on > limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be > prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people > who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither > financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, > you have to earn it. Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of view: 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" and read where "it's documented at page..." Thanks for youe time 8) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Dec 26 18:35:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28274 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:35:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28269 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:35:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA22281; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:04:12 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id NAA26449; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:04:14 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981227130414.K12346@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:04:14 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Read this... References: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 02:14:17AM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 10 December 1998 at 2:14:17 +0000, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > >> Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>> Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about >>> this, perhaps contact sun? >> > >> Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on >> limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be >> prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people >> who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither >> financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, >> you have to earn it. > > Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of > view: We did, several times. It appears that your machine keeps sending this message: > From owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 27 11:03:10 1998 > Received: from mail2.sol.net (mail@mail2.sol.net [206.55.64.73]) > by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA21932 > for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:03:06 +1030 (CST) > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) > by mail2.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id SAA09836; > Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:32:36 -0600 (CST) > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18786; > Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:24:22 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:22:45 -0800 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18700 > for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:22:44 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) > Received: from fep08-svc.tin.it (pop04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.67]) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18695 > for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) This is the one. It was resent yesterday from your machine. Could you please tell it to stop? > Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.236.104]) by fep01-svc.tin.it > (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP > id <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> > for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:11:12 +0100 > Comments: Authenticated sender is > From: "Paolo Di Francesco" > To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:14:17 +0000 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Subject: Re: Read this... > X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) > Message-Id: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> > Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Content-Length: 2018 > Lines: 48 Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message