From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Feb 15 01:02:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26896 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:02:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net ([209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26855 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:02:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA04812; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:59:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:59:29 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: Tom cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stable broken In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > working lately. I have not been able to compile stable for about the last > ... > > Stable has been fine duing this period. > > > cd: can't cd to /disk2/usr/src/include.i386 > > If /usr/src and /usr/obj are not real directories on your system, > compiling is tricky. It will work if /usr/src and /usr/obj are real > directories, otherwise you will have to understand the build processes a > bit and do the appropiate things. Symlinks for /usr/src and /usr/obj work > for me the last time I did this. The thing is, it used to work just fine. /usr/obj is a real directory, /usr/src is a symlink, because I don't have the room on /usr. Has something changed that would cause stable not to work on a symlink'd /usr/src ?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Feb 15 01:12:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29914 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:12:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA29904 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:12:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA20566; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:10:59 -0800 (PST) To: Shawn Ramsey cc: Tom , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stable broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:59:29 PST." Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:10:59 -0800 Message-ID: <20563.887533859@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > working lately. I have not been able to compile stable for about the last > > ... > > > > Stable has been fine duing this period. > > > > > cd: can't cd to /disk2/usr/src/include.i386 No, there's something more wrong with your tree. Why would it even be searching for such a path, for instance? There has *never* been a /usr/src/include.i386 directory in FreeBSD. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Feb 15 01:23:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01302 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:23:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net ([209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01297 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:22:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA04877; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:20:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:20:30 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stable broken In-Reply-To: <20563.887533859@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > working lately. I have not been able to compile stable for about the last > > > ... > > > > > > Stable has been fine duing this period. > > > > > > > cd: can't cd to /disk2/usr/src/include.i386 > > No, there's something more wrong with your tree. Why would it > even be searching for such a path, for instance? There has > *never* been a /usr/src/include.i386 directory in FreeBSD. /disk2/usr/src is where my source tree is. I have /usr/src symlink'd to this directory. It has always worked before. /usr/obj is a real directory. Should it work like that? It seems to have stopped working when I upgraded the machine from an AMD 5x86-133 to a P120. All I did was take the HD's from the AMD and put them in the Pentium. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Feb 15 01:28:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02088 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:28:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02078 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:28:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA20699; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:26:56 -0800 (PST) To: Shawn Ramsey cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stable broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:20:30 PST." Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:26:56 -0800 Message-ID: <20695.887534816@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It's more than possible to have, for example: /a/src (real sources) /usr/src -> /a/src /usr/obj (real objs) But what it looks like here is that you've got is some wild symlinks *under* the source directory which are confusing things. To continue my example, if I were to see anything other than this: root@time-> ls -l /usr/src lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 6 Aug 26 08:17 /usr/src -> /a/src root@time-> ls -l /usr/src/ total 55 -rw-r--r-- 1 jkh wheel 3425 Sep 11 1994 COPYRIGHT drwxr-xr-x 2 jkh wheel 512 Feb 13 07:22 CVS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 21723 Feb 7 13:45 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 jkh wheel 2334 Aug 19 05:47 README drwxr-xr-x 33 jkh wheel 1024 Feb 13 07:12 bin drwxr-xr-x 23 jkh wheel 512 Feb 13 07:14 contrib drwxr-xr-x 9 jkh wheel 512 Feb 13 07:14 eBones drwxr-xr-x 10 jkh wheel 1536 Feb 13 07:14 etc drwxr-xr-x 42 jkh wheel 1024 Feb 13 07:15 games drwxr-xr-x 9 jkh wheel 512 Feb 13 07:15 gnu drwxr-xr-x 7 jkh wheel 1536 Feb 7 13:51 include drwxr-xr-x 41 jkh wheel 1024 Feb 13 07:17 lib drwxr-xr-x 31 jkh wheel 1024 Feb 13 07:17 libexec drwxr-xr-x 32 jkh wheel 1024 Feb 13 07:17 lkm drwxr-xr-x 6 jkh wheel 512 Feb 13 10:50 release drwxr-xr-x 56 jkh wheel 1536 Feb 13 07:18 sbin drwxr-xr-x 6 jkh wheel 512 Feb 13 07:18 secure drwxr-xr-x 17 jkh wheel 512 Feb 13 07:19 share drwxr-xr-x 28 jkh wheel 512 Feb 13 07:19 sys drwxr-xr-x 8 jkh wheel 512 Feb 13 07:20 tools drwxr-xr-x 199 jkh wheel 3584 Feb 13 07:21 usr.bin drwxr-xr-x 109 jkh wheel 2048 Feb 13 07:22 usr.sbin Then I would consider my source tree to be hosed and in need of repair. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Feb 15 02:11:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06223 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:11:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net ([209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06217 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:11:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA05500; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:09:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:09:13 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stable broken In-Reply-To: <20695.887534816@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It's more than possible to have, for example: > > /a/src (real sources) > /usr/src -> /a/src > /usr/obj (real objs) > > But what it looks like here is that you've got is some wild symlinks > *under* the source directory which are confusing things. To continue > my example, if I were to see anything other than this: > > root@time-> ls -l /usr/src > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 6 Aug 26 08:17 /usr/src -> /a/src /usr> ls -l /usr/src lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 14 Oct 14 20:38 src -> /disk2/usr/src > root@time-> ls -l /usr/src/ > total 55 > -rw-r--r-- 1 jkh wheel 3425 Sep 11 1994 COPYRIGHT > drwxr-xr-x 2 jkh wheel 512 Feb 13 07:22 CVS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 21723 Feb 7 13:45 Makefile > -rw-r--r-- 1 jkh wheel 2334 Aug 19 05:47 README ls -l /usr/src/ total 57 -rw-rw-r-- 1 shawn wheel 3425 Sep 11 1994 COPYRIGHT -rw-rw-r-- 1 shawn wheel 21723 Feb 6 01:52 Makefile -rw-rw-r-- 1 shawn wheel 2334 Aug 13 1997 README drwxrwxr-x 32 shawn wheel 512 Feb 15 01:39 bin drwxrwxr-x 22 shawn wheel 512 Feb 15 01:45 contrib drwxrwxr-x 8 shawn wheel 512 Feb 15 02:00 eBones drwxrwxr-x 9 shawn wheel 1536 Feb 15 01:45 etc drwxrwxr-x 41 shawn wheel 1024 Feb 15 01:46 games drwxrwxr-x 8 shawn wheel 512 Feb 15 01:48 gnu drwxrwxr-x 6 shawn wheel 1536 Feb 15 01:48 include drwxrwxr-x 40 shawn wheel 1024 Feb 15 01:50 lib drwxrwxr-x 30 shawn wheel 1024 Feb 15 01:50 libexec drwxrwxr-x 31 shawn wheel 1024 Feb 15 01:50 lkm drwxrwxr-x 5 shawn wheel 512 Feb 15 01:50 release drwxrwxr-x 55 shawn wheel 1024 Feb 15 01:51 sbin drwxrwxr-x 5 shawn wheel 512 Feb 15 02:01 secure drwxrwxr-x 16 shawn wheel 512 Feb 15 01:52 share -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3519 Feb 15 01:36 stable-supfile drwxrwxr-x 27 shawn wheel 512 Feb 15 01:55 sys drwxrwxr-x 7 shawn wheel 512 Feb 15 01:55 tools drwxrwxr-x 198 shawn wheel 3584 Feb 15 01:57 usr.bin drwxrwxr-x 107 shawn wheel 2048 Feb 15 02:00 usr.sbin ?? :( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Feb 15 19:28:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13017 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:28:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca37-18.ix.netcom.com [207.93.141.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12883 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:26:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id TAA06475; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:26:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:26:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802160326.TAA06475@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: nate@mt.sri.com CC: mvh@netcom.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199802131805.LAA11379@mt.sri.com> (message from Nate Williams on Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:05:24 -0700) Subject: Re: a warning about libc.so.3.1 From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk * > libc.so.3.0 older than expected... using it anyways... * Yes, or if you re-run 'ldconfig -R' as root. I asked before, but got no response to this. What do people think about adding "/sbin/ldconfig -R" at the end of installworld? Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Feb 15 19:33:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13839 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:33:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13821 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:33:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA09796; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:32:51 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA29315; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:32:50 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980216043249.55682@follo.net> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:32:49 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Satoshi Asami , nate@mt.sri.com Cc: mvh@netcom.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a warning about libc.so.3.1 References: <199802131805.LAA11379@mt.sri.com> <199802160326.TAA06475@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802160326.TAA06475@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU>; from Satoshi Asami on Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 07:26:19PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, Feb 15, 1998 at 07:26:19PM -0800, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * > libc.so.3.0 older than expected... using it anyways... > > * Yes, or if you re-run 'ldconfig -R' as root. > > I asked before, but got no response to this. What do people think > about adding "/sbin/ldconfig -R" at the end of installworld? Sounds good to me. And you're not alone - I've given up getting go aheads - I jsut assume that if nobody protests within a reasonable time, then it is OK. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Feb 15 19:39:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14937 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca37-18.ix.netcom.com [207.93.141.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14921 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:39:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id TAA06558; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:39:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:39:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802160339.TAA06558@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: blkfree: freeing free block From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Just got this from last week's 2.2-stable. I had sudo start seg faulting, and when I did a "make install" in the sudo port, it crashed. --- ## gdb -k *.31 GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-freebsd), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found)... IdlePTD 1fd000 current pcb at 1e3b58 panic: blkfree: freeing free block #0 0xf0111463 in boot () (kgdb) bt #0 0xf0111463 in boot () #1 0xf0111722 in panic () #2 0xf0194f23 in ffs_blkfree () #3 0xf0196ee3 in ffs_truncate () #4 0xf019a8c9 in ufs_inactive () #5 0xf012ff7f in vrele () #6 0xf01acf61 in vnode_pager_dealloc () #7 0xf01ac466 in vm_pager_deallocate () #8 0xf01a81f0 in vm_object_terminate () #9 0xf01a802b in vm_object_deallocate () #10 0xf012fec8 in vrele () #11 0xf012fe73 in vput () #12 0xf019e7bf in ufs_rename () #13 0xf0133634 in rename () #14 0xf01b8553 in syscall () #15 0x4a95 in ?? () #16 0x122e in ?? () #17 0x107e in ?? () --- It died somewhere between the install and chmod, as when the system came back up, sudo complained that it needs to be setuid root. Looking at a log from a good installation, it's this line in the sudo install: === ./install-sh -c -o 0 -g 0 -m 4111 -s sudo /usr/local/bin/sudo === Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 07:07:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15623 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:07:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Sperry-Sun.COM (ns.lafayette.sperry-sun.com [198.64.217.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15581 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:07:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rich@rich.Sperry-Sun.COM) Received: from rich.Sperry-Sun.COM ([10.216.65.2]) by firewall.Sperry-Sun.COM with ESMTP id <34576-1>; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:20:15 -0600 Received: (from rich@localhost) by rich.Sperry-Sun.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA13205; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:04:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rich) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:04:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199802161504.JAA13205@rich.Sperry-Sun.COM> From: Rich Murphey To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? Reply-to: rich@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Can anyone recomend a 4-port fast ethernet card for FreeBSD-stable? I'm looking at the full duplex 100Mb/s Adaptec Quartet ANA-2944A/TX. Matt Thomas' driver supports this card but I haven't seen any comments about how well the card works. Please CC me.. Thanks, Rich To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 07:17:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18947 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:17:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18882; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:17:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA00573; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:16:38 -0800 (PST) To: rich@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:04:45 CST." <199802161504.JAA13205@rich.Sperry-Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:16:38 -0800 Message-ID: <570.887642198@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Can anyone recomend a 4-port fast ethernet card for > FreeBSD-stable? Zynx 4-port. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 08:16:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02274 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:16:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (fw1.enc.edu [207.95.42.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02236; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:16:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owensc@enc.edu) Received: from itsdsv2.enc.edu (itsdsv2.enc.edu [10.1.1.9]) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24464; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:12:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:12:00 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Owens To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: rich@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? In-Reply-To: <570.887642198@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Can anyone recomend a 4-port fast ethernet card for > > FreeBSD-stable? > > Zynx 4-port. > > Jordan What's the name of this card's driver? Any suggested vendors for this beastie? None of my usual sources have it. Thanks, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles N. Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu http://www.enc.edu/~owensc Network & Systems Administrator Information Technology Services "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's Eastern Nazarene College best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 08:20:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03197 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03103; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:19:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA00885; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:19:25 -0800 (PST) To: Charles Owens cc: rich@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:12:00 EST." Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:19:25 -0800 Message-ID: <881.887645965@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Can anyone recomend a 4-port fast ethernet card for > > > FreeBSD-stable? > > > > Zynx 4-port. > > > > Jordan > > What's the name of this card's driver? Any suggested vendors for this > beastie? None of my usual sources have it. It's driven by the de driver and I've always gotten mine direct from Zynx (their HQ is a 40 minute drive from my house) so I can't offer much more in the way of sales pointers except http://www.znyx.com/ Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 09:14:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17342 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:14:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uranus.planet-three.com (homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17225; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:13:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by uranus.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA15345; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:13:07 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:13:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Charles Owens , rich@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? In-Reply-To: <881.887645965@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I can't find these cards anywhere either. Their web-site seems to specialise in medical stuff - not computer hardware. I can't find any mention of Zynx and NIC in Altavista either. So the question is still how good the Adaptec cards are (because I can actually just order one of those) - or if there are any resellers of the Zynx cards (I'm UK based so its a tad more than 40 minutes to get to Zynx's offices ;-). Cheers. Scot On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > > Can anyone recomend a 4-port fast ethernet card for > > > > FreeBSD-stable? > > > > > > Zynx 4-port. > > > > > > Jordan > > > > What's the name of this card's driver? Any suggested vendors for this > > beastie? None of my usual sources have it. > > It's driven by the de driver and I've always gotten mine direct from > Zynx (their HQ is a 40 minute drive from my house) so I can't offer > much more in the way of sales pointers except http://www.znyx.com/ > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)1344 899401 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 09:45:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25955 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:45:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from demon.net (internal.mail.demon.net [193.195.224.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25920 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:44:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darren@demon.net) Received: from office.demon.net (office.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by demon.net with SMTP id RAA10711; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:46:49 GMT Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? To: Scot Elliott Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:44:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Darren Byrne Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Scot Elliott" at Feb 16, 98 05:13:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <887651084.007717.0@office.demon.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Scot Elliott said: > > I can't find these cards anywhere either. Their web-site seems to > specialise in medical stuff - not computer hardware. I can't find any > mention of Zynx and NIC in Altavista either. > > So the question is still how good the Adaptec cards are (because I can > actually just order one of those) - or if there are any resellers of the > Zynx cards (I'm UK based so its a tad more than 40 minutes to get to Zynx's > offices ;-). We've used 4 port Zynx cards here, had alot of problems with them under other BSD's such as OpenBSD 2.1. Simply could not get more than one port working, as soon as I config up a second port the box would reboot. However I came to the conclusion that it was the OpenBSD drivers causing this. We tested OpenBSD 2.2 and they work okay so... I have a FreeBSD stable box here. I slammed 2 (maybe 3) 4 port Zynx cards into it and they worked a dream. I've been interested in finding another multiport 10/100 full duplex solution for a while though and haven't really seen much else around... recommendations welcome. Darren Byrne Senior Network Engineer Think I slipped the net, but I cut myself Demon Internet Limited free. I'm not loosing it, so don't forget me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 10:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29693 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:02:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29662; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:02:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA01842; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:39:51 -0800 (PST) To: Scot Elliott cc: Charles Owens , rich@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:13:06 GMT." Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:39:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1837.887650791@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I can't find these cards anywhere either. Their web-site seems to > specialise in medical stuff - not computer hardware. I can't find any > mention of Zynx and NIC in Altavista either. Hmmm. Really? I just went straight there and found this: http://www.znyx.com/zx346.htm In 3 clicks. :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 10:22:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06785 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:22:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Sperry-Sun.COM (ns.lafayette.sperry-sun.com [198.64.217.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06441 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:21:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rich@rich.home.sperry-sun.com) Received: from rich.home.sperry-sun.com ([10.216.65.2]) by firewall.Sperry-Sun.COM with ESMTP id <34613-2>; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:19:55 -0600 Received: (from rich@localhost) by rich.home.sperry-sun.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA13791; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:03:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rich) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:03:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199802161803.MAA13791@rich.home.sperry-sun.com> From: Rich Murphey To: scot@poptart.org CC: jkh@time.cdrom.com, owensc@enc.edu, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Scot Elliott on Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:13:06 +0000 (GMT)) Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? Reply-to: rich@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk |Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:13:06 +0000 (GMT) |From: Scot Elliott |cc: Charles Owens , rich@FreeBSD.ORG, | freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG | |I can't find these cards anywhere either. Their web-site seems to |specialise in medical stuff - not computer hardware. I can't find any |mention of Zynx and NIC in Altavista either. | |So the question is still how good the Adaptec cards are (because I can |actually just order one of those) - or if there are any resellers of the |Zynx cards (I'm UK based so its a tad more than 40 minutes to get to Zynx's |offices ;-). Try 'znyx' in the spelling on the web site. I was able to find the cards there. They sell retail direct to the public. The 'netblaster zx346' has a suggested retail price of $799 US. Rich To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 10:44:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17288 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:44:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16804 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:42:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA26842; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:50:58 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199802161750.TAA26842@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? In-Reply-To: from Scot Elliott at "Feb 16, 98 05:13:06 pm" To: scot@poptart.org (Scot Elliott) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:50:58 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I can't find these cards anywhere either. Their web-site seems to > specialise in medical stuff - not computer hardware. I can't find any > mention of Zynx and NIC in Altavista either. > Hmm. Try ZNYX. That will probably work a little better. :-) John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 11:41:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05489 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:41:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from noao.edu (noao.edu [140.252.1.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05373 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:41:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Received: from mirfak.tuc.noao.edu (grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu [140.252.1.9]) by noao.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7/SAG-02Dec97) with SMTP id MAA20065 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:41:10 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Grandi X-Sender: grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu Reply-To: Steve Grandi To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk My STABLE system hasn't been very stable: I've been averaging one system crash a day for the past week or so. The frequency of crashes is increasing with perhaps one crash a week averaged the past 3 months. I need some help in devising a stratey to make things stable... The hardware: PentiumPro-200 (Venus MotherBoard), 128 MB of RAM, Adaptec 2940 Ultra-Wide SCSI controller, two Seagate ST32155W 2GB disks, a Micropolis 3391WS 9GB disk, Plextor SCSI CD-ROM, Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B Ethernet card. The System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE kept up-to-date via CVSUP What's the system doing: DNS server, Semdmail server, FTP server, Net News server. Ever since I upgraded to 2.2.5-RELEASE in late November, I've seen far too many system crashes. About half the time, the crash would be followed by a reboot. The other half of the time the system would just hang with no response from the console keyboard or active rlogin sessions (but sometimes the system would still answer PINGs). Crashes seemed to follow heavy disk I/O and/or paging (usually soon after an INN expire with a 200MB+ history file). Despite nearly 15 years experience with BSD (going back to 4.1BSD on VAX 11/750s), I am sometimes not a very bright lad and it took me a LONG time to realize that system panics are not noted in any system logs after a reboot. I finally wised up and started playing some games. I compiled DDB into the kernel and had several crashes that caused a drop into the debugger with the result: Fatal Trap 12 page fault while in kernel mode ... supervisor read, page not present ... current process = 4 (update) ... I still haven't managed to capture a core file so I won't attempt to type in the traceback. I think I have dumpon configured properly through the dumpdev variable in /etc/rc.conf; but today's perusal of the man pages seems to indicate that savecore won't save a crash dump if /kernel isn't the same as the kernel running at the time of the crash. So I need to stop tweaking things. So what strategy should I follow to make the system stable and make the Users happy again? Thoughts that I have had: 1) Capture a crash dump and see where that leads me. 2) Start swapping hardware (I have some new memory --- Parity memory this time! -- on order and I do have a spare Adapatec board I can lay my hands on). 3) Keep tweaking the kernel config file. So far, I have increased values for MAXDSIZ, DFLDSIZ and NMBCLUSTERS and deleted the options MFS and AHC_ALLOW_MEMIO. The next item on my hit list would be deleting AHC_TAGENABLE. Any advice out there? Steve Grandi, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, Arizona USA Internet: grandi@noao.edu Voice: +1 520 318-8228 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 12:11:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13659 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:11:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13450 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA02937; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:09:35 -0800 (PST) To: Steve Grandi cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:41:10 MST." Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:09:35 -0800 Message-ID: <2933.887659775@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > What's the system doing: DNS server, Semdmail server, FTP server, Net News > server. Is it at all possible to get the Net News server moved temporarily onto another asset? It would be good to know if it's specifically the kind of I/O that NNTP does (and it is somewhat unique in the panopaly of possible network services a FreeBSD box can run) or something unrelated to it. Failing that, and I do realize that this box has run earlier incarnations of FreeBSD without qualm, but..., please verify that your SCSI termination is correct for all the devices on have on the chain, including the controller of course. I've seen almost no spontaneous reboots as a result of SCSI problems, I'll admit as much, but it's still something I'd want to verify if I were in your shoes and has as many devices as you do on the SCSI bus. I notice that you're also using a 2940UW controller and can only hope that you're not using any wide<->narrow drive conversion connectors... :) Also, since you upgraded, has *anything* been done to the system hardware? Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 12:13:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15011 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:13:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uranus.planet-three.com (homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14556; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:13:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by uranus.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA15780; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:12:24 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:12:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Scot Elliott , Charles Owens , rich@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? In-Reply-To: <1837.887650791@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Erm yeah you're right, Jordan. It seems my fingers prefer typing zynx rather than znyx ;-) Sorry. On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I can't find these cards anywhere either. Their web-site seems to > > specialise in medical stuff - not computer hardware. I can't find any > > mention of Zynx and NIC in Altavista either. > > Hmmm. Really? I just went straight there and found this: > > http://www.znyx.com/zx346.htm > > In 3 clicks. :-) > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)1344 899401 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 12:25:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19093 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:25:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Dorm-35861.RH.UH.EDU (Dorm-35861.RH.UH.EDU [129.7.140.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19033 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:25:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wotan@Dorm-35861.RH.UH.EDU) Received: from localhost (wotan@localhost) by Dorm-35861.RH.UH.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29422; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:24:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:24:51 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Fosburgh Reply-To: jef53313@bayou.uh.edu To: Steve Grandi cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > My STABLE system hasn't been very stable: I've been averaging one system > crash a day for the past week or so. The frequency of crashes is > increasing with perhaps one crash a week averaged the past 3 months. I > need some help in devising a stratey to make things stable... > > The hardware: PentiumPro-200 (Venus MotherBoard), 128 MB of RAM, Adaptec > 2940 Ultra-Wide SCSI controller, two Seagate ST32155W 2GB disks, a > Micropolis 3391WS 9GB disk, Plextor SCSI CD-ROM, Intel EtherExpress Pro > 10/100B Ethernet card. > > The System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE kept up-to-date via CVSUP > > What's the system doing: DNS server, Semdmail server, FTP server, Net News > server. > > Ever since I upgraded to 2.2.5-RELEASE in late November, I've seen far too > many system crashes. About half the time, the crash would be followed by > a reboot. The other half of the time the system would just hang with no > response from the console keyboard or active rlogin sessions (but > sometimes the system would still answer PINGs). Crashes seemed to follow > heavy disk I/O and/or paging (usually soon after an INN expire with a > 200MB+ history file). > > Despite nearly 15 years experience with BSD (going back to 4.1BSD on VAX > 11/750s), I am sometimes not a very bright lad and it took me a LONG > time to realize that system panics are not noted in any system logs > after a reboot. I finally wised up and started playing some games. > > I compiled DDB into the kernel and had several crashes that caused a drop > into the debugger with the result: > > Fatal Trap 12 page fault while in kernel mode > ... > supervisor read, page not present > ... > current process = 4 (update) > ... > > I still haven't managed to capture a core file so I won't attempt to type > in the traceback. I think I have dumpon configured properly through the > dumpdev variable in /etc/rc.conf; but today's perusal of the man pages > seems to indicate that savecore won't save a crash dump if /kernel isn't > the same as the kernel running at the time of the crash. So I need to > stop tweaking things. > > So what strategy should I follow to make the system stable and make the Users > happy again? Thoughts that I have had: > > 1) Capture a crash dump and see where that leads me. > > 2) Start swapping hardware (I have some new memory --- Parity memory > this time! -- on order and I do have a spare Adapatec board I can lay > my hands on). > > 3) Keep tweaking the kernel config file. So far, I have increased > values for MAXDSIZ, DFLDSIZ and NMBCLUSTERS and deleted the options MFS > and AHC_ALLOW_MEMIO. The next item on my hit list would be deleting > AHC_TAGENABLE. > > Any advice out there? I was having this problem with 2.2.5-R (as did a few other people who cropped up on this list from time to time) and my solution (since I haven't the diskspace to use CVS) was to upgrade using the snapshots on releng22.freebsd.org. Snapshots after about mid-December have been quite stable for me overall, without suffering a crash sincevery early in January (after moving the machine a few hundred miles .. so maybe that could have caused problems) and I have currently been having no problems abd the machine has been up ~14 days since my last reboot. My advice is to get a snapshot from early January (my last upgrade) and see what happens. This is done from the upgrade option under /stand/sysinstall. I am using 2.2-980101-SNAP right now. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBNOigmPx1aCmcyaTdAQHGPwH8DfZMbe02u5iH7ew5Qeer9Qbud93YHbig S6ZUXV95lKEaPAVjzNiBggxg1R0vZYg2jJVGDn7MEW7nQ3iYHFE3tQ== =CKON -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 12:26:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19532 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:26:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite.sentex.ca [199.212.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19391 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:26:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mdtancsa@sentex.net) Received: (from mdtancsa@localhost) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) id PAA10483; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:19:43 -0500 (EST) From: Mike D Tancsa Message-Id: <199802162019.PAA10483@granite.sentex.net> Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-Reply-To: from Steve Grandi at "Feb 16, 98 12:41:10 pm" To: grandi@noao.edu Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:19:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The hardware: PentiumPro-200 (Venus MotherBoard), 128 MB of RAM, Adaptec > 2940 Ultra-Wide SCSI controller, two Seagate ST32155W 2GB disks, a Its a long shot, but I found that turning down the SCSI controller speed in my news server to 8 instead of 10 made a HUGE difference for me. The problem was not there in the 2.1 tree but surfaced when I upgraded the machine to the 2.2 tree.... ---Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 12:48:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23462 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:48:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from noao.edu (noao.edu [140.252.1.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23388 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:48:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Received: from mirfak.tuc.noao.edu (grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu [140.252.1.9]) by noao.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7/SAG-02Dec97) with SMTP id NAA28649; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:43:54 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Grandi X-Sender: grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu Reply-To: Steve Grandi To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-Reply-To: <2933.887659775@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan: Thanks for your response. Moving the Net News server to a different machine is possible, but would be operationally very traumatic. I've certainly contemplated such a move but put it farther down the list. Points well taken about the SCSI chain (and no, no wide to narrow converters) and any hardware changes. I will make sure no ribbon cables have worked loose and commune with the SCSI controller's firmware the next chance I get to verify proper termination. As far as hardware changes are concerned the one change that I made was to pull out two 64MB memory SIMMs and replace them with two 32MB SIMMs. This change was about three weeks ago and was in response to the frequent crashes. I did change Ethernet cards from a 3Com to the Intel card before I upgraded to 2.2.5-RELEASE but my fading memory tells me that it was at least a month before the upgrade and the system was stable in that interim. On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > What's the system doing: DNS server, Semdmail server, FTP server, Net News > > server. > > Is it at all possible to get the Net News server moved temporarily > onto another asset? It would be good to know if it's specifically the > kind of I/O that NNTP does (and it is somewhat unique in the panopaly > of possible network services a FreeBSD box can run) or something > unrelated to it. Failing that, and I do realize that this box has run > earlier incarnations of FreeBSD without qualm, but..., please verify > that your SCSI termination is correct for all the devices on have on > the chain, including the controller of course. I've seen almost no > spontaneous reboots as a result of SCSI problems, I'll admit as much, > but it's still something I'd want to verify if I were in your shoes > and has as many devices as you do on the SCSI bus. I notice that > you're also using a 2940UW controller and can only hope that you're > not using any wide<->narrow drive conversion connectors... :) > > Also, since you upgraded, has *anything* been done to the system > hardware? > > Jordan > Steve Grandi, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, Arizona USA Internet: grandi@noao.edu Voice: +1 520 318-8228 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 12:52:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24208 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:52:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from noao.edu (noao.edu [140.252.1.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24074 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:51:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Received: from mirfak.tuc.noao.edu (grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu [140.252.1.9]) by noao.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7/SAG-02Dec97) with SMTP id NAA29710; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:51:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:51:27 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Grandi X-Sender: grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu To: jef53313@bayou.uh.edu cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Thanks, Jonathan for your response. Since I started having the crashes, I started updating the system sources via cvsup. So I am running an up-to-date kernel that has been upgraded since 2.2.5-RELEASE. I admit I haven't done a "make world" to rebuild all the utilities and such, though. I highly recommend, by the way, Jordan's "painless" technique for firing up cvs updates of your source tree: pkg_add -f ftp://freebsd.org/pub/CVSup/cvsupit.tgz Works wonderfully! On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jonathan Fosburgh wrote: > > I was having this problem with 2.2.5-R (as did a few other people who > cropped up on this list from time to time) and my solution (since I > haven't the diskspace to use CVS) was to upgrade using the snapshots on > releng22.freebsd.org. Snapshots after about mid-December have been quite > stable for me overall, without suffering a crash sincevery early in > January (after moving the machine a few hundred miles .. so maybe that > could have caused problems) and I have currently been having no problems > abd the machine has been up ~14 days since my last reboot. My advice is to > get a snapshot from early January (my last upgrade) and see what happens. > This is done from the upgrade option under /stand/sysinstall. I am using > 2.2-980101-SNAP right now. > Steve Grandi, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, Arizona USA Internet: grandi@noao.edu Voice: +1 520 318-8228 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 12:55:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25523 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:55:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from noao.edu (noao.edu [140.252.1.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25438 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:55:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Received: from mirfak.tuc.noao.edu (grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu [140.252.1.9]) by noao.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7/SAG-02Dec97) with SMTP id NAA29982; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:54:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:54:56 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Grandi X-Sender: grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu To: Mike D Tancsa cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-Reply-To: <199802162019.PAA10483@granite.sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Now there is a thought! Thanks, Mike, for the suggestion. I have been running the Adaptec with "Ultra" speed enabled. Probably worth a try to to set 10 MBps instead of 20 (and then perhaps 8?) and see what happens. On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Mike D Tancsa wrote: > > The hardware: PentiumPro-200 (Venus MotherBoard), 128 MB of RAM, Adaptec > > 2940 Ultra-Wide SCSI controller, two Seagate ST32155W 2GB disks, a > > Its a long shot, but I found that turning down the SCSI controller speed in > my news server to 8 instead of 10 made a HUGE difference for me. The problem > was not there in the 2.1 tree but surfaced when I upgraded the machine to the > 2.2 tree.... > > ---Mike > Steve Grandi, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, Arizona USA Internet: grandi@noao.edu Voice: +1 520 318-8228 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 19:22:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15550 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:22:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from king.kinotrope.co.jp (king.kinotrope.co.jp [203.136.35.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15444 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:21:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toshi@kinotrope.co.jp) Received: from jack.kinotrope.co.jp (jack.kinotrope.co.jp [203.136.35.12]) by king.kinotrope.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id MAA00525 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:21:09 +0900 (JST) Received: (from toshi@localhost) by jack.kinotrope.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) id MAA00383 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:22:25 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199802170322.MAA00383@jack.kinotrope.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1Jmach v149.1) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1Jmach (Enhance 2.1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.149.1) From: Toshimi Aoki Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 12:22:25 +0900 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD-stable X-fingerprint: 9F E9 B9 D8 74 79 DD 28 20 48 2B D0 68 B8 4A 5D X-URL: http://www.kinotrope.co.jp/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 22:21:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05975 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:21:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rimmer.viewsnet.com (rimmer.viewsnet.com [38.153.104.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05905 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:21:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@viewsnet.com) Received: from twikki.argos.org (twikki.argos.org [38.153.104.15]) by rimmer.viewsnet.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA18384; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:53:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004901bd3b69$c13dce60$0f689926@twikki.argos.org> From: "Mike Nowlin" To: "Steve Grandi" , "Mike D Tancsa" Cc: Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:03:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >I have been running the Adaptec with "Ultra" speed enabled. Probably worth a >try to to set 10 MBps instead of 20 (and then perhaps 8?) and see what happens. Not directly related, but I have had similar problems using Adaptec 1540B/C SCSI controllers on certain 486 motherboards under both Linux and FreeBSD 2.1 & 2.2... Basically, the SCSI bus would get stuck, while the rest of the system tried to continue running... (Kinda hard without hard drives!) I messed around with it more on the Linux machines, and was getting "SCSI command timeout" messages -- the kernel was still running, but the rest of the system was basically not doing much of anything else. I noticed that adjusting the I/O speed of the controller would change the frequency of the lockups, but never got rid of the problem completely. Depending on the motherboard, sometimes decreasing the speed would help, while other times increasing it would help, but it still happened like clockwork under heavy SCSI activity... (Like "cat /dev/cd0a > /dev/null"...) Finally, I just got sick of the problem, picked up a couple Pentium 200s, and the same SCSI controllers run great on the new motherboards... Go figure... --Mike mike@argos.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 22:30:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07382 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:30:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07375; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:30:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA02527; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:27:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:27:12 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Scot Elliott cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Charles Owens , rich@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk How about Matrox? It's the card Ipsilon throws in their FreeBSD "traffic shaper" box. Looks like the DEC chipset, I can boot the Ipso and paste in some of the boot messages. The box seems to be 2.1.x vintage. Hell, they even got Checkpoint to port Firewall-1 to FreeBSD as an LKM. Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- "I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man Just a mortal with potential of a superman I'm living on" -DB On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Scot Elliott wrote: > I can't find these cards anywhere either. Their web-site seems to > specialise in medical stuff - not computer hardware. I can't find any > mention of Zynx and NIC in Altavista either. > > So the question is still how good the Adaptec cards are (because I can > actually just order one of those) - or if there are any resellers of the > Zynx cards (I'm UK based so its a tad more than 40 minutes to get to Zynx's > offices ;-). > > Cheers. > > Scot > > > > On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > > > > Can anyone recomend a 4-port fast ethernet card for > > > > > FreeBSD-stable? > > > > > > > > Zynx 4-port. > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > What's the name of this card's driver? Any suggested vendors for this > > > beastie? None of my usual sources have it. > > > > It's driven by the de driver and I've always gotten mine direct from > > Zynx (their HQ is a 40 minute drive from my house) so I can't offer > > much more in the way of sales pointers except http://www.znyx.com/ > > > > Jordan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)1344 899401 > PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org > or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Feb 16 22:37:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09500 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:37:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.unet.ru (root@ns.unet.ru [195.9.254.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09492 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vick@unet.ru) Received: from atom (atom.unet.ru [195.9.254.10]) by ns.unet.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11629; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:01:58 +0300 Message-Id: <199802170801.LAA11629@ns.unet.ru> From: "Victor Ponomarev" To: "Steve Grandi" , Cc: Subject: RE: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:36:07 +0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've more interisting behaviour with 2.2.5-RELEASE. When I tried install the release from Walnut Greek cdrom pack on my mashine it's hang up during transfer files to disk. The same was happened with 2.2.2-RELEASE. Hardware: Intel Venus, P6-200-256, 64MB ECC FPM, Adaptec 2940 Ultra (BIOS 1997), Sony CDU 415 12x SCSI, IBM UltraStart 2ES 4,3GB Ultra SCSI, 3COM 3C900 ExtherLink XL. I've tried to lower the transfer rate on SCSI bus to 10Mbps. The problem still exist. I've made an attempt to accomodate the hardware. 1) First change Sony CD-ROM -> Philips 8x CDROM Nothing changed. 2) I took a old AHA 2940 Ultra from my friend (BIOS 1996) . Well! All is fine. But I'm not sure that trasfer rate was 20 Mbps on SCSI bus. 3) Take another AHA adapter with new version of SCSI BIOS The story repeate again independely of transfer rate. 4) Change IBM UltraStar to Seagate Hawk Ultra 34555 N. If transfer rate is 20Mbps the instalation is hang up. If transfer rate is 10MBps the one finish sucseffuly. But the behavior of PC didn't suit me I feel that somethig work bad and performance is not well. The SCSI terminators is fine (AHA is in automatic mode). May be something changed in SCSI BIOS that hungs up the SCSI bus? Vick e-mail: (vick@unet.ru) , voice +7-095-9569225. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 02:34:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22167 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:34:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsd.mbp.ee (bsd.mbp.ee [194.204.12.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA22121 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:33:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mauri@mbp.ee) Received: from nw1.mbp.ee (nw1.mbp.ee [194.204.12.68]) by bsd.mbp.ee (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01753 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:33:39 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199802171033.MAA01753@bsd.mbp.ee> Received: from SERVER/SpoolDir by nw1.mbp.ee (Mercury 1.31); 17 Feb 98 12:33:01 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by SERVER (Mercury 1.31); 17 Feb 98 12:32:35 +0200 From: "Lauri Laupmaa" Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C4rip=E4eva_Kirjastuse_AS?= To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:32:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: libc.so.3.1 ver libc.so.3.0 ?? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id CAA22138 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi Yesterday made world and kernel, rebooted... and now i get funny errors about libc.so.3 minor number expected 1 got 0 or smth. like that. Could anyone please explain ? TIA p.s. please cc to me. ______________ Lauri Laupmaa Äripäev mauri@mbp.ee Ph. +372 6 505 127 +372 5 013 369 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 02:45:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23457 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:45:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23444 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:45:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA08295; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:44:50 -0800 (PST) To: "Lauri Laupmaa" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: libc.so.3.1 ver libc.so.3.0 ?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:32:24 +0200." <199802171033.MAA01753@bsd.mbp.ee> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:44:49 -0800 Message-ID: <8291.887712289@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk cd /usr/src/lib/libc cvs log Makefile .. revision 1.16.2.4 date: 1998/02/12 01:45:58; author: nate; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 - MFC: Minor number bump due to addition of stringlist functions (which were brought into -stable as well.) > Hi > > Yesterday made world and kernel, rebooted... and now i get funny > errors about libc.so.3 minor number expected 1 got 0 or smth. like > that. Could anyone please explain ? > > TIA > > p.s. please cc to me. > > ______________ > Lauri Laupmaa > Äripäev > mauri@mbp.ee > Ph. +372 6 505 127 > +372 5 013 369 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 02:50:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA24600 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:50:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-51.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24563 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id CAA06791; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:50:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:50:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802171050.CAA06791@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: mauri@mbp.ee, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <8291.887712289@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: libc.so.3.1 ver libc.so.3.0 ?? From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk * cd /usr/src/lib/libc * cvs log Makefile * ... * revision 1.16.2.4 * date: 1998/02/12 01:45:58; author: nate; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 * - MFC: Minor number bump due to addition of stringlist functions (which * were brought into -stable as well.) * * * > Hi * > * > Yesterday made world and kernel, rebooted... and now i get funny * > errors about libc.so.3 minor number expected 1 got 0 or smth. like * > that. Could anyone please explain ? Um, that doesn't answer the question. He said he made world and rebooted, so the new libraries should be in the place and in the ld.so hints file. Lauri, what does "ldconfig -r | grep libc\\." say? Also, we'd like to see the output of "ls -l /usr/lib/libc.*". Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 03:15:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29264 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:15:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsd.mbp.ee (bsd.mbp.ee [194.204.12.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29252; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:14:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mauri@mbp.ee) Received: from nw1.mbp.ee (nw1.mbp.ee [194.204.12.68]) by bsd.mbp.ee (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01926; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:14:52 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199802171114.NAA01926@bsd.mbp.ee> Received: from SERVER/SpoolDir by nw1.mbp.ee (Mercury 1.31); 17 Feb 98 13:14:14 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by SERVER (Mercury 1.31); 17 Feb 98 13:13:49 +0200 From: "Lauri Laupmaa" Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C4rip=E4eva_Kirjastuse_AS?= To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:13:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: libc.so.3.1 ver libc.so.3.0 ?? CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199802171050.CAA06791@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> References: <8291.887712289@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA29257 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 17 Feb 98 at 2:50, Satoshi Asami wrote: > rebooted, so the new libraries should be in the place and in the ld.so > hints file. That's what I think... > Lauri, what does "ldconfig -r | grep libc\\." say? Also, we'd like to bash-2.01# ldconfig -r | grep libc\\. 19:-lc.3.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.3.1 bash-2.01# > see the output of "ls -l /usr/lib/libc.*". bash-2.01# ls -l /usr/lib/libc.* -r--r--r-- 1 bin bin 562934 Feb 16 13:18 /usr/lib/libc.a -r--r--r-- 1 bin bin 451557 Jan 30 03:50 /usr/lib/libc.so.3.0 -r--r--r-- 1 bin bin 451557 Feb 16 13:18 /usr/lib/libc.so.3.1 bash-2.01# ______________ Lauri Laupmaa Äripäev mauri@mbp.ee Ph. +372 6 505 127 +372 5 013 369 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 03:29:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02910 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:29:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-51.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02854 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:28:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id DAA06942; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:24:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:24:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802171124.DAA06942@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: mauri@mbp.ee CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199802171114.NAA01926@bsd.mbp.ee> (mauri@mbp.ee) Subject: Re: libc.so.3.1 ver libc.so.3.0 ?? From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk * bash-2.01# ldconfig -r | grep libc\\. * 19:-lc.3.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.3.1 * bash-2.01# ls -l /usr/lib/libc.* * -r--r--r-- 1 bin bin 562934 Feb 16 13:18 /usr/lib/libc.a * -r--r--r-- 1 bin bin 451557 Jan 30 03:50 /usr/lib/libc.so.3.0 * -r--r--r-- 1 bin bin 451557 Feb 16 13:18 /usr/lib/libc.so.3.1 Well, that looks perfectly fine. I'm stumped, to be honest. Which program is complaining? (If program "foo" is complaining, can you send us the output of "ldd $(which foo)"?) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 03:36:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04520 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:36:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flint.cyweb.com (root@[209.83.135.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04452 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:36:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from harry@visiontm.com) Received: from harry (dial-16.r05.scbuft.InfoAve.Net [207.144.97.216]) by flint.cyweb.com (8.8.0/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA29222 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:47:25 -0600 From: "Harry Patterson" To: "stable freebsd.org" Subject: FTP and Telnet pblms with Ethernet Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:35:38 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3b98$2bd837a0$d86190cf@harry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have a nagging problem getting Telnet and FTP to connect in reasonable time frame (ws-ftp won't at all). I am using Windows95 with a 10MB Ethernet connection to a FreeBSD 2.2.5 box. Apache works fine (fast) so it doesn't seem to be a DNS thing (simple DNS with only one box, one domain, nslookup and ping are fast from the win95 box). It appears to be taking inetd a long time to issue the login and causes timeouts. (just remembered mail does the same thing, all login dependant). I've seen this question posted in a couple of places (I've been virtually everywhere) and the only response was possibly DNS. If it was DNS, why would http work fine? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, I've spent at least 8 hours on this. Thanks Harry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 03:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08492 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:58:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsd.mbp.ee (bsd.mbp.ee [194.204.12.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA08454; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:57:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mauri@mbp.ee) Received: from nw1.mbp.ee (nw1.mbp.ee [194.204.12.68]) by bsd.mbp.ee (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00309; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:56:41 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199802171156.NAA00309@bsd.mbp.ee> Received: from SERVER/SpoolDir by nw1.mbp.ee (Mercury 1.31); 17 Feb 98 13:56:17 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by SERVER (Mercury 1.31); 17 Feb 98 13:56:01 +0200 From: "Lauri Laupmaa" Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C4rip=E4eva_Kirjastuse_AS?= To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:55:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: libc.so.3.1 ver libc.so.3.0 ?? CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199802171124.DAA06942@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> References: <199802171114.NAA01926@bsd.mbp.ee> (mauri@mbp.ee) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA08485 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 17 Feb 98 at 3:24, Satoshi Asami wrote: > Well, that looks perfectly fine. I'm stumped, to be honest. > > Which program is complaining? (If program "foo" is complaining, can > you send us the output of "ldd $(which foo)"?) The program was atrun and there were 106 messages mailed to root, but after your suggested commands it went away... something strange... probably error on my side... bash-2.01# ldd /usr/libexec/atrun /usr/libexec/atrun: -lc.3 => /usr/lib/libc.so.3.1 (0x20020000) ______________ Lauri Laupmaa Äripäev mauri@mbp.ee Ph. +372 6 505 127 +372 5 013 369 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 04:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11443 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:10:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11347 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:10:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA02963; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:58:45 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:58:45 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Harry Patterson cc: "stable freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FTP and Telnet pblms with Ethernet In-Reply-To: <01bd3b98$2bd837a0$d86190cf@harry> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Harry Patterson wrote: > connection to a FreeBSD 2.2.5 box. Apache works fine (fast) so it doesn't > seem to be a DNS thing (simple DNS with only one box, one domain, nslookup Apache could be set to not do reverse lookups. Is ping/nslookup fast from the FreeBSD when resolving reverse domains, e.g. the IP address of your win95 box? > I've seen this question posted in a couple of places (I've been virtually > everywhere) and the only response was possibly DNS. If it was DNS, why > would http work fine? Because apache is not doing reverse lookups, and other things are. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 04:16:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13064 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:16:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-51.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA12997 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:16:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id EAA07178; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:15:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:15:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802171215.EAA07178@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: mauri@mbp.ee CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199802171156.NAA00309@bsd.mbp.ee> (mauri@mbp.ee) Subject: Re: libc.so.3.1 ver libc.so.3.0 ?? From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk * The program was atrun and there were 106 messages mailed to root, but * after your suggested commands it went away... something strange... * probably error on my side... Well, unless you did not reboot the machine as you said first, and you mis-typed the command as "ldconfig -R" or something, that doesn't make sense. ;) * bash-2.01# ldd /usr/libexec/atrun * /usr/libexec/atrun: * -lc.3 => /usr/lib/libc.so.3.1 (0x20020000) It's finding the correct one now (obviously). Maybe the errors were mailed after the make world but before the reboot? Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 04:20:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13603 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:20:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flint.cyweb.com (root@[209.83.135.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA13507 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:19:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from harry@visiontm.com) Received: from harry (dial-35.r05.scbuft.InfoAve.Net [207.144.97.235]) by flint.cyweb.com (8.8.0/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA29626; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:31:04 -0600 From: "Harry Patterson" To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" Cc: Subject: Re: FTP and Telnet pblms with Ethernet Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:19:18 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3b9e$450ea0a0$d86190cf@harry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Danny, Another reader had the same question. This certainly makes sense, but (please exuse a newbie to FreeBSD) the Win95 box doesn't run DNS. What needs to be set where in Win95 to allow the reverse DNS to take place. It pings fine. Do I need the win95 dns settings in tcp/ip (sounds like a dumb question with the direction you are heading). Are these dns settings created automatically by win95 dial up networking when you connect through an isp? Thanks Harry > >On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Harry Patterson wrote: > >> connection to a FreeBSD 2.2.5 box. Apache works fine (fast) so it doesn't >> seem to be a DNS thing (simple DNS with only one box, one domain, nslookup > >Apache could be set to not do reverse lookups. Is ping/nslookup fast >from the FreeBSD when resolving reverse domains, e.g. the IP address of >your win95 box? > >> I've seen this question posted in a couple of places (I've been virtually >> everywhere) and the only response was possibly DNS. If it was DNS, why >> would http work fine? > >Because apache is not doing reverse lookups, and other things are. > >Danny > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 04:21:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13800 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:21:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from five-bells.plsys.co.uk (root@five-bells.plsys.co.uk [195.224.29.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA13695 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:20:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Matthew_Seaman@plsys.co.uk) Received: from ivyhouse.plsys.co.uk (matthew@ivyhouse.plsys.co.uk [195.224.29.12]) by five-bells.plsys.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12369; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:20:04 GMT Received: (from matthew@localhost) by ivyhouse.plsys.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10909; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:20:03 GMT Message-Id: <199802171220.MAA10909@ivyhouse.plsys.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01bd3b98$2bd837a0$d86190cf@harry> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: Matthew Seaman Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 12:19:58 GMT To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FTP and Telnet pblms with Ethernet cc: "Harry Patterson" References: <01bd3b98$2bd837a0$d86190cf@harry> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "Harry Patterson" wrote: > I have a nagging problem getting Telnet and FTP to connect in reasonable > time frame (ws-ftp won't at all). I am using Windows95 with a 10MB Ethernet > connection to a FreeBSD 2.2.5 box. Apache works fine (fast) so it doesn't > seem to be a DNS thing (simple DNS with only one box, one domain, nslookup > and ping are fast from the win95 box). It appears to be taking inetd a long > time to issue the login and causes timeouts. (just remembered mail does the > same thing, all login dependant). Sounds like a problem to do with inetd. Are you by any chance using tcp_wrappers on the FreeBSD box? It could be to do with ident (RFC 931) timeouts --- the tcp_wrappers source mentions this as a problem with certain OS's. From the Makefile: # The default username lookup timeout is 10 seconds. This may not be long # enough for slow hosts or networks, but is enough to irritate PC users. RFC931_TIMEOUT = 10 You can work around this, and still use tcp_wrappers if (a) you compile tcp_wrappers *without* the -DALWAYS_RFC931 definition and (b) you set up your hosts.allow and hosts.define files not to use anything that will trigger an ident lookup for those hosts --- ie. don't use the `rfc931' flag or the `%u' special. > I've seen this question posted in a couple of places (I've been virtually > everywhere) and the only response was possibly DNS. If it was DNS, why > would http work fine? DNS timeouts can also be a problem with wrapped services: the wrappers will attempt to do a gethostbynumber() and then a gethostbyname() on the result of that to detect spoofing. httpd's are usually configured not to lookup the hosts that connect to them for maximum performance. For apache, that's the HostnameLookups off directive in httpd.conf. Cheers, MAtthew -- Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate nin iam adesse. Matthew Seaman P&L Systems, 12 The Broadway, Amersham, Bucks., HP7 0HP, UK Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 04:24:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14303 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:24:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from not.caput.dk ([194.182.253.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA14204 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:23:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cedric@caput.com) Received: (from cedric@localhost) by not.caput.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25067; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:37:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cedric) Message-ID: <19980217133726.13148@caput.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:37:26 +0100 From: Cedric Valignat To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Lauri Laupmaa Subject: Re: libc.so.3.1 ver libc.so.3.0 ?? References: <199802171033.MAA01753@bsd.mbp.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199802171033.MAA01753@bsd.mbp.ee>; from Lauri Laupmaa on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 12:32:24PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Lauri Laupmaa wrote: > Yesterday made world and kernel, rebooted... and now i get funny > errors about libc.so.3 minor number expected 1 got 0 or smth. like > that. Could anyone please explain ? I'd the same problem and i resolved it by a "ldconfig -R" -- Cedric Valignat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 05:13:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20483 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:13:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from murkwood.gaffaneys.com (dialup7.gaffaneys.com [208.155.161.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20477 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:13:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zach@gaffaneys.com) Received: (from zach@localhost) by murkwood.gaffaneys.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) id HAA27708; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:13:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980217071306.47614@gaffaneys.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:13:06 -0600 From: Zach Heilig To: Steve Grandi Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Steve Grandi on Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 12:41:10PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 12:41:10PM -0700, Steve Grandi wrote: > The hardware: PentiumPro-200 (Venus MotherBoard), 128 MB of RAM, Adaptec > 2940 Ultra-Wide SCSI controller, two Seagate ST32155W 2GB disks, a > Micropolis 3391WS 9GB disk, Plextor SCSI CD-ROM, Intel EtherExpress Pro ^^^^^^^^^^ I have a SCSI chain that works great (at Ultra speeds) with just about every device I can plug into it (async, 200ns, 100ns, 50ns speeds), except my solitary Micropolis disk. It negotiates ultra speeds, but it causes much grief when there is much activity on the bus. The symptoms I noticed started with the kernel refusing to communicate with anything in /dev (I usually run X, which continued to work... at least long enough to see what was happening), followed by an optional spew of many messages something like 'ncr: device timed out...' in xconsole. At this point, opening windows for programs already in the cache that also don't use anything from /dev still worked. As soon as I touched anything that also touched the disk or anything in /dev, the machine completely locked up. Moving said Micropolis disk to a fast-scsi controller fixed the problem. -- Zach Heilig -- zach@gaffaneys.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 06:09:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26871 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:09:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26860 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:09:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20017; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:09:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:09:21 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Steve Grandi cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Are you running any old LKMs with your new kernel? That one bit me really hard... In my case the linux LKM was out of date; bringing it up to the same rev as the kernel fixed things. Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- "I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man Just a mortal with potential of a superman I'm living on" -DB On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Steve Grandi wrote: > Thanks, Jonathan for your response. > > Since I started having the crashes, I started updating the system sources > via cvsup. So I am running an up-to-date kernel that has been upgraded since > 2.2.5-RELEASE. I admit I haven't done a "make world" to rebuild all the > utilities and such, though. > > I highly recommend, by the way, Jordan's "painless" technique for firing up > cvs updates of your source tree: > > pkg_add -f ftp://freebsd.org/pub/CVSup/cvsupit.tgz > > Works wonderfully! > > On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jonathan Fosburgh wrote: > > > > > I was having this problem with 2.2.5-R (as did a few other people who > > cropped up on this list from time to time) and my solution (since I > > haven't the diskspace to use CVS) was to upgrade using the snapshots on > > releng22.freebsd.org. Snapshots after about mid-December have been quite > > stable for me overall, without suffering a crash sincevery early in > > January (after moving the machine a few hundred miles .. so maybe that > > could have caused problems) and I have currently been having no problems > > abd the machine has been up ~14 days since my last reboot. My advice is to > > get a snapshot from early January (my last upgrade) and see what happens. > > This is done from the upgrade option under /stand/sysinstall. I am using > > 2.2-980101-SNAP right now. > > > > Steve Grandi, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, Arizona USA > Internet: grandi@noao.edu Voice: +1 520 318-8228 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 06:19:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28029 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:19:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from noao.edu (noao.edu [140.252.1.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA28023 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:19:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Received: from mirfak.tuc.noao.edu (grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu [140.252.1.9]) by noao.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7/SAG-02Dec97) with SMTP id HAA17823; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:19:39 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Grandi X-Sender: grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu To: spork cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Charles: I discovered the possible LKM problem when I searched my collected FreeBSD email...but I'm not running any LKMs (in other words, modstat shows nothing). Thanks for the suggestion! On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, spork wrote: > Are you running any old LKMs with your new kernel? That one bit me really > hard... In my case the linux LKM was out of date; bringing it up to the > same rev as the kernel fixed things. > > Charles Sprickman > spork@super-g.com > ---- Steve Grandi, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, Arizona USA Internet: grandi@noao.edu Voice: +1 520 318-8228 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 06:28:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29341 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:28:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from noao.edu (noao.edu [140.252.1.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29336 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:28:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Received: from mirfak.tuc.noao.edu (grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu [140.252.1.9]) by noao.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7/SAG-02Dec97) with SMTP id HAA18694; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:28:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from grandi@noao.edu) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:28:34 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Grandi X-Sender: grandi@mirfak.tuc.noao.edu To: Zach Heilig cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-Reply-To: <19980217071306.47614@gaffaneys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Zach: Interesting! Something else to try.... On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Zach Heilig wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 12:41:10PM -0700, Steve Grandi wrote: > > The hardware: PentiumPro-200 (Venus MotherBoard), 128 MB of RAM, Adaptec > > 2940 Ultra-Wide SCSI controller, two Seagate ST32155W 2GB disks, a > > Micropolis 3391WS 9GB disk, Plextor SCSI CD-ROM, Intel EtherExpress Pro > ^^^^^^^^^^ I have a SCSI chain that works great (at Ultra speeds) > with just about every device I can plug into it (async, 200ns, 100ns, > 50ns speeds), except my solitary Micropolis disk. It negotiates ultra > speeds, but it causes much grief when there is much activity on the bus. > > The symptoms I noticed started with the kernel refusing to communicate > with anything in /dev (I usually run X, which continued to work... at > least long enough to see what was happening), followed by an optional > spew of many messages something like 'ncr: device timed out...' in > xconsole. At this point, opening windows for programs already in the > cache that also don't use anything from /dev still worked. As soon as > I touched anything that also touched the disk or anything in /dev, the > machine completely locked up. > > Moving said Micropolis disk to a fast-scsi controller fixed the problem. > > -- > Zach Heilig -- zach@gaffaneys.com > Steve Grandi, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, Arizona USA Internet: grandi@noao.edu Voice: +1 520 318-8228 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 07:31:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11678 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:31:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [141.39.224.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11573 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:31:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bs@devnull.ruhr.de) Received: (from admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with UUCP id QAA03396; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:24:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from rm.devnull.ruhr.de [192.168.22.75] by devnull.ruhr.de with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0y4kDd-0000Ip-00; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:25:41 +0100 Received: from bs by rm.devnull.ruhr.de with local (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0y4kJ3-0000BD-00; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:31:17 +0100 To: "Victor Ponomarev" Cc: Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable References: <199802170801.LAA11629@ns.unet.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Benedikt Stockebrand Date: 17 Feb 1998 11:31:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Victor Ponomarev"'s message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:36:07 +0300" Message-ID: <87pvkmtte2.fsf@devnull.ruhr.de> Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "Victor Ponomarev" writes: > Hardware: [...] Adaptec 2940 Ultra (BIOS 1997), > > [snip] > > 2) I took a old AHA 2940 Ultra from my friend (BIOS 1996) . > Well! All is fine. But I'm not sure that trasfer rate was 20 Mbps on > SCSI bus. Could it be that the old one was a 2940 U but the new one a 2940 AU? IIRC the OpenBSD people had some nasty surprises with that --- the old 2940 U works, but the 2940 AU uses a "simplified" chipset and didn't work with their 2940 U-based drivers. > The SCSI terminators is fine (AHA is in automatic mode). In case of doubt, use real terminators. Ben -- Ben(edikt)? Stockebrand Runaway ping.de Admin---Never Ever Trust Old Friends My name and email address are not to be added to any list used for advertising purposes. Any sender of unsolicited advertisement e-mail to this address im- plicitly agrees to pay a DM 500 fee to the recipient for proofreading services. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 08:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18078 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:08:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18014 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cy@cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.10) id IAA03583; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca(142.31.240.113), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpdaacmoa; Tue Feb 17 08:08:05 1998 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.8.8/8.6.10) id IAA12427; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:08:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802171608.IAA12427@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpd012418; Tue Feb 17 16:07:44 1998 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 Reply-to: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: cy To: "Mike Nowlin" cc: "Steve Grandi" , "Mike D Tancsa" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:03:22 EST." <004901bd3b69$c13dce60$0f689926@twikki.argos.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:07:42 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >I have been running the Adaptec with "Ultra" speed enabled. Probably worth > a > >try to to set 10 MBps instead of 20 (and then perhaps 8?) and see what > happens. > > > Not directly related, but I have had similar problems using Adaptec 1540B/C > SCSI controllers on certain 486 motherboards under both Linux and FreeBSD > 2.1 & 2.2... Basically, the SCSI bus would get stuck, while the rest of the > system tried to continue running... (Kinda hard without hard drives!) I > messed around with it more on the Linux machines, and was getting "SCSI > command timeout" messages -- the kernel was still running, but the rest of > the system was basically not doing much of anything else. I noticed that > adjusting the I/O speed of the controller would change the frequency of the > lockups, but never got rid of the problem completely. Depending on the > motherboard, sometimes decreasing the speed would help, while other times > increasing it would help, but it still happened like clockwork under heavy > SCSI activity... (Like "cat /dev/cd0a > /dev/null"...) > > Finally, I just got sick of the problem, picked up a couple Pentium 200s, > and the same SCSI controllers run great on the new motherboards... > > Go figure... > > --Mike > mike@argos.org I used to have this same problem with my 486DX33 and subsequently P120 while using a Plextor 4-spin CDROM attached to an Adaptec 1540CF. The problem was there in 2.0.5 and 2.1.0. It went away in 2.1.5 but came back in 2.1.6 and still exists in 2.2.x (I'm currently running 2.2.5+patches). What eventually solved the problem was to set a jumper on the Plextor CDROM drive to force it to run in single spin mode only. Every time I upgrade to a new release I remove the jumper to see whether the SCSI bus hang still exists. To date only 2.1.5 was able to use the CDROM drive at 4-spin speed. I've also noticed that I was able to more consistently reproduce the problem by running concurrent processes against the CDROM drive in 4-spin mode. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 UNIX Support OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) ITSD BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET Government of BC Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 10:33:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19618 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:33:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from milf18.bus.net (milf18.bus.net [207.41.25.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19588 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:32:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cao@bus.net) Received: from localhost (cao@localhost) by milf18.bus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA02149 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:32:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cao@bus.net) X-Authentication-Warning: milf18.bus.net: cao owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:32:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Chuck O'Donnell" Reply-To: "Chuck O'Donnell" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Benedict Stockebrand wrote: > "Victor Ponomarev" writes: > > > Hardware: [...] Adaptec 2940 Ultra (BIOS 1997), > > > > [snip] > > > > 2) I took a old AHA 2940 Ultra from my friend (BIOS 1996) . > > Well! All is fine. But I'm not sure that trasfer rate was 20 Mbps on > > SCSI bus. > > Could it be that the old one was a 2940 U but the new one a 2940 AU? > IIRC the OpenBSD people had some nasty surprises with that --- the old > 2940 U works, but the 2940 AU uses a "simplified" chipset and didn't > work with their 2940 U-based drivers. > I would concur with this. I have a number of 2940U boards that worked fine, but I had to shelve an Adaptec 2940AU until the ahc driver was updated (in 2.2.5 ?). The 2940AU works great now (2.2.5-RELEASE and 2.2.5-STABLE). Chuck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 10:45:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22636 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:45:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22582 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27457; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA28934; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:41:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:41:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199802171841.LAA28934@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Lauri Laupmaa" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: libc.so.3.1 ver libc.so.3.0 ?? In-Reply-To: <199802171033.MAA01753@bsd.mbp.ee> References: <199802171033.MAA01753@bsd.mbp.ee> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Yesterday made world and kernel, rebooted... and now i get funny > errors about libc.so.3 minor number expected 1 got 0 or smth. like > that. Could anyone please explain ? RTFML (Read the Fine Mailing List). This was discussed earlier this week. Reboot and/or run ldconfig -R. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 12:46:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18241 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:46:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18039 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:46:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14526; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:45:31 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199802171841.LAA28934@mt.sri.com> References: <199802171033.MAA01753@bsd.mbp.ee> <199802171033.MAA01753@bsd.mbp.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:42:44 -0600 To: Nate Williams From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: libc.so.3.1 ver libc.so.3.0 ?? Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 12:41 PM -0600 2/17/98, Nate Williams wrote: >> Yesterday made world and kernel, rebooted... and now i get funny >> errors about libc.so.3 minor number expected 1 got 0 or smth. like >> that. Could anyone please explain ? > >RTFML (Read the Fine Mailing List). This was discussed earlier this >week. Reboot and/or run ldconfig -R. Is there any reason why we should NOT add the "ldconfig -R" to the installation portion of the Makefiles? Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 13:19:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22872 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22847 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:18:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14668; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:17:51 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199802172117.TAA14668@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: a warning about libc.so.3.1 In-Reply-To: <199802160326.TAA06475@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from Satoshi Asami at "Feb 15, 98 07:26:19 pm" To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:17:50 -0200 (EDT) Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, mvh@netcom.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Satoshi Asami) // * > libc.so.3.0 older than expected... using it anyways... // // * Yes, or if you re-run 'ldconfig -R' as root. // // I asked before, but got no response to this. What do people think // about adding "/sbin/ldconfig -R" at the end of installworld? I wonder why it is not already there... :) Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 13:23:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24181 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:23:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24160 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:23:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14746; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:23:33 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199802172123.TAA14746@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: blkfree: freeing free block In-Reply-To: <199802160339.TAA06558@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from Satoshi Asami at "Feb 15, 98 07:39:43 pm" To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:23:33 -0200 (EDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Satoshi Asami) // Just got this from last week's 2.2-stable. I had sudo start seg // faulting, and when I did a "make install" in the sudo port, it // crashed. Funny you say this. I've just got one of these: panic: blkfree: freeing free frag After upgrading to -stable from 12 Feb. This happened while I was cleaning (rm) a 1.5G squid cache that was corrupted. I though the corruption was a sideeffect of an ungraceful shutdown, but now I'm curious. Unfortunatly, I don't have a crash dump around. I swear to wait the whole 128M to dump next time. :) (Why is dump so slow ?) Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 14:40:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07389 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:40:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07335 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:40:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03242; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:39:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802172239.OAA03242@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Benedikt Stockebrand cc: "Victor Ponomarev" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-reply-to: Your message of "17 Feb 1998 11:31:17 +0100." <87pvkmtte2.fsf@devnull.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:39:24 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > "Victor Ponomarev" writes: > > The SCSI terminators is fine (AHA is in automatic mode). > > In case of doubt, use real terminators. The Adaptec cards/drivers (not sure which is guilty) are reported to get "auto" termination wrong. Try setting it manually. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 16:39:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01244 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:39:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netcom1.netcom.com (mvh@netcom3.netcom.com [192.100.81.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01231 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:39:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@netcom.com) Received: (from mvh@localhost) by netcom1.netcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01892; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:39:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:39:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802180039.QAA01892@netcom1.netcom.com> From: "Michael V. Harding" To: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br CC: asami@cs.berkeley.edu, nate@mt.sri.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199802172117.TAA14668@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> (message from Joao Carlos Mendes Luis on Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:17:50 -0200 (EDT)) Subject: Re: a warning about libc.so.3.1 References: <199802172117.TAA14668@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Well, if 'make world' bothers to do a makewhatis, why not? From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:17:50 -0200 (EDT) Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, mvh@netcom.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: 7181d85921006d0a2d24ab22fd36afe1 #define quoting(Satoshi Asami) // * > libc.so.3.0 older than expected... using it anyways... // // * Yes, or if you re-run 'ldconfig -R' as root. // // I asked before, but got no response to this. What do people think // about adding "/sbin/ldconfig -R" at the end of installworld? I wonder why it is not already there... :) Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 17:02:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04975 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:02:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04805 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:02:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) id RAA27673; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:02:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:02:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802180102.RAA27673@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> To: nate@mt.sri.com CC: mauri@mbp.ee, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199802171841.LAA28934@mt.sri.com> (message from Nate Williams on Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:41:45 -0700) Subject: Re: libc.so.3.1 ver libc.so.3.0 ?? From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk * > Yesterday made world and kernel, rebooted... and now i get funny ^^^^^^^^ * > errors about libc.so.3 minor number expected 1 got 0 or smth. like * > that. Could anyone please explain ? * * RTFML (Read the Fine Mailing List). This was discussed earlier this * week. Reboot and/or run ldconfig -R. I don't know why people keep replying to mails without reading it (or the subsequent discussion). Yes, it's probably a pilot error (and it's resolved already), but that's not the answer you should be giving to that question. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 17:22:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10444 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:22:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (root@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10362 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:21:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.xmission.com) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.7/8.7.5) id RAA14978; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:29:48 -0700 (MST) From: Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199802180029.RAA14978@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: FTP and Telnet pblms with Ethernet To: harry@visiontm.com (Harry Patterson) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:29:47 -0700 (MST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <01bd3b9e$450ea0a0$d86190cf@harry> from "Harry Patterson" at Feb 17, 98 07:19:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Harry Patterson asked: > Another reader had the same question. This certainly makes sense, but > (please exuse a newbie to FreeBSD) the Win95 box doesn't run DNS. What needs > to be set where in Win95 to allow the reverse DNS to take place. It pings Nothing needs to be setup in Win95 to allow reverse DNS; this has to be configured at your DNS server. A "forward" lookup is "find me the address for this name", an "reverse" lookup is "find me the name for this address." > fine. Do I need the win95 dns settings in tcp/ip (sounds like a dumb > question with the direction you are heading). Are these dns settings created > automatically by win95 dial up networking when you connect through an isp? The ISP would have to have setup their DNS server to support both types of lookups. If you're experiencing problems, they probably haven't. Try this: dial in and check your IP address. We'll assume you were given the address 204.203.202.201, because it's fun to type. Login to a good UNIX system somewhere and type 'nslookup -type=ptr 204.203.202.201'. If you get an name back quickly, and can 'nslookup name' and get 204.203.202.201 as the IP address, you're correctly configured. If not, your ISP is at fault and needs to fix their DNS server. As several others have pointed out, the reason ping and http work quickly is because they are not doing reverse DNS lookups. If you want to really test your ability to do reverse DNS, try logging into ftp.uu.net as user 'anonymous'. If they let you login, you're probably doing just fine. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 17:29:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11673 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:29:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11523 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:28:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) id RAA27745; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:28:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:28:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802180128.RAA27745@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> To: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199802172123.TAA14746@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> (message from Joao Carlos Mendes Luis on Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:23:33 -0200 (EDT)) Subject: Re: blkfree: freeing free block From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk * Funny you say this. I've just got one of these: * * panic: blkfree: freeing free frag * * After upgrading to -stable from 12 Feb. * * This happened while I was cleaning (rm) a 1.5G squid cache that was * corrupted. I though the corruption was a sideeffect of an ungraceful * shutdown, but now I'm curious. That sounds exactly like my problem. Finally someone else is seeing the same thing I am! Anyway, here's more info for those who would want to look at it. First, the dmesg: === Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE #0: Tue Feb 10 07:54:51 PST 1998 asami2@leia.cs.berkeley.edu:/ccd/src/sys/compile/CCD CPU: Pentium Pro (199.43-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x616 Stepping=6 Features=0xf9ff real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) avail memory = 261328896 (255204K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 0 on pci0:7:0 chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 vga0 rev 3 on pci0:11 fxp0 rev 2 int a irq 10 on pci0:15 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:72:96:8b chip3 rev 2 on pci0:17 ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:19 ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle ahc0: target 0 synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST15150W 0023" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 4095MB (8388315 512 byte sectors) Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: ahc1 rev 0 int a irq 10 on pci1:4 ahc1: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc1 waiting for scsi devices to settle ahc1: target 8 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc1: target 8 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc1:8:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(ahc1:8:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc1: target 9 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc1: target 9 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc1:9:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2(ahc1:9:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc1: target 10 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc1: target 10 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc1:10:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd3(ahc1:10:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc1: target 11 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc1: target 11 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc1:11:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd4(ahc1:11:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc1: target 12 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc1: target 12 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc1:12:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd5(ahc1:12:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc1: target 13 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc1: target 13 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc1:13:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd6(ahc1:13:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc1: target 14 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc1: target 14 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc1:14:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd7(ahc1:14:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc1: target 15 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc1: target 15 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc1:15:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd8(ahc1:15:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc2 rev 0 int a irq 10 on pci1:5 ahc2: aic7880 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc2 waiting for scsi devices to settle ahc2: target 8 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc2: target 8 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc2:8:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd9(ahc2:8:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc2: target 9 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc2: target 9 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc2:9:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd10(ahc2:9:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc2: target 10 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc2: target 10 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc2:10:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd11(ahc2:10:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc2: target 11 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc2: target 11 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc2:11:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd12(ahc2:11:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc2: target 12 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc2: target 12 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc2:12:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd13(ahc2:12:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc2: target 13 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc2: target 13 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc2:13:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd14(ahc2:13:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc2: target 14 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc2: target 14 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc2:14:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd15(ahc2:14:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) ahc2: target 15 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc2: target 15 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc2:15:0): "IBM OEM DCHS09Y 2424" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd16(ahc2:15:0): Direct-Access 8689MB (17796077 512 byte sectors) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 not found at 0x1f0 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface changing root device to sd0a ccd0-7: Concatenated disk drivers === And the trackback: === ## gdb -k kernel /var/crash/vmcore.31 GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-freebsd), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc... IdlePTD 1fd000 current pcb at 1e3b58 panic: blkfree: freeing free block #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:266 266 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:266 #1 0xf0111722 in panic (fmt=0xf0194d51 "blkfree: freeing free block") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:390 #2 0xf0194f23 in ffs_blkfree (ip=0xf1477e00, bno=19080, size=8192) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_alloc.c:1230 #3 0xf0196ee3 in ffs_truncate (ap=0xefbffd0c) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_inode.c:343 #4 0xf019a8c9 in ufs_inactive (ap=0xefbffd38) at vnode_if.h:1003 #5 0xf012ff7f in vrele (vp=0xf1568e80) at vnode_if.h:699 #6 0xf01acf61 in vnode_pager_dealloc (object=0xf1750600) at ../../vm/vnode_pager.c:203 #7 0xf01ac466 in vm_pager_deallocate (object=0xf1750600) at ../../vm/vm_pager.c:177 #8 0xf01a81f0 in vm_object_terminate (object=0xf1750600) at ../../vm/vm_object.c:416 #9 0xf01a802b in vm_object_deallocate (object=0xf1750600) at ../../vm/vm_object.c:353 #10 0xf012fec8 in vrele (vp=0xf1568e80) at ../../kern/vfs_subr.c:881 #11 0xf012fe73 in vput (vp=0xf1568e80) at ../../kern/vfs_subr.c:858 #12 0xf019e7bf in ufs_rename (ap=0xefbffea0) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:1128 #13 0xf0133634 in rename (p=0xf0e5b400, uap=0xefbfff94, retval=0xefbfff84) at vnode_if.h:519 #14 0xf01b8553 in syscall (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = -272643953, tf_esi = -272644520, tf_ebp = -272645732, tf_isp = -272629788, tf_ebx = -272644528, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = -272643994, tf_eax = 128, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 7, tf_eip = 19093, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 514, tf_esp = -272645868, tf_ss = 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:914 #15 0x4a95 in ?? () #16 0x122e in ?? () #17 0x107e in ?? () (kgdb) === As I said before, the system was already behaving funny before the crash (sudo dying with seg fault), so this may or may not be the real problem. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 19:42:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05728 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:42:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05509; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:39:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00623; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:39:17 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199802180339.BAA00623@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: blkfree: freeing free block In-Reply-To: <199802180308.BAA18436@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> from Joao Carlos Mendes Luis at "Feb 18, 98 01:08:54 am" To: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br (Joao Carlos Mendes Luis) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:39:17 -0200 (EDT) Cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Joao Carlos Mendes Luis) // This is also new. Although it's possible to be a hardware problem, // it's too much coincidence to happen just after the upgrade. // // Feb 18 00:51:25 gaia /kernel: bad block 262144, ino 38502 // Feb 18 00:51:25 gaia /kernel: pid 18182 (rm), uid 0 on /var: bad block // // Consequences: I have a stuck file at /var/spool/mqueue/.hoststat, // purgestat wastes lots of CPU, and never stops, except ^C. ... // Will try a reboot right now, hoping fsck solves this problem. Rebooted, single user. fsck found no problem. Mounted /var, and tried to rm again. No luck. Fortunately, there's always clri around. umount /var, clri stuck file inode, clri stuck dir inode, fsck find an error. mount again. dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/tmp/foo, no error dd if=/var/tmp/foo of=/dev/null, no error umount /var, dd if=/dev/rsd0e of=/dev/null, no error (No, no, no. I'll not dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd0e !!! :) ) So, what was the problem ? (Is it time to go -hackers, or is this the right forum ?) Jonny PS: Please, somebody remove the "Clri is obsoleted for normal file system repair work by fsck(8)." from clri(8) manpage. :) -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 19:56:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08050 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:56:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07990; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:56:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18436; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:08:54 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199802180308.BAA18436@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: blkfree: freeing free block In-Reply-To: <199802180128.RAA27745@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> from Satoshi Asami at "Feb 17, 98 05:28:32 pm" To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:08:54 -0200 (EDT) Cc: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Satoshi Asami) // * panic: blkfree: freeing free frag // * // * After upgrading to -stable from 12 Feb. // * // * This happened while I was cleaning (rm) a 1.5G squid cache that was // * corrupted. I though the corruption was a sideeffect of an ungraceful // * shutdown, but now I'm curious. // // That sounds exactly like my problem. Finally someone else is seeing // the same thing I am! This is also new. Although it's possible to be a hardware problem, it's too much coincidence to happen just after the upgrade. Feb 18 00:51:25 gaia /kernel: bad block 262144, ino 38502 Feb 18 00:51:25 gaia /kernel: pid 18182 (rm), uid 0 on /var: bad block Consequences: I have a stuck file at /var/spool/mqueue/.hoststat, purgestat wastes lots of CPU, and never stops, except ^C. Here's the partial of ktrace/kdump: ... 18328 purgestat CALL getdirentries(0x6,0x71000,0x1000,0x6b614) 18328 purgestat RET getdirentries 512/0x200 18328 purgestat CALL stat(0xefbfaf00,0xefbfad68) 18328 purgestat NAMI ".hoststat/br./ufrj./ifcs./mail" 18328 purgestat RET stat 0 18328 purgestat CALL unlink(0xefbfaf00) 18328 purgestat NAMI ".hoststat/br./ufrj./ifcs./mail" 18328 purgestat RET unlink -1 errno 1 Operation not permitted 18328 purgestat CALL lseek(0x6,0,0,0,0) 18328 purgestat RET lseek 0 18328 purgestat CALL getdirentries(0x6,0x71000,0x1000,0x6b614) 18328 purgestat RET getdirentries 512/0x200 18328 purgestat CALL stat(0xefbfaf00,0xefbfad68) 18328 purgestat NAMI ".hoststat/br./ufrj./ifcs./mail" 18328 purgestat RET stat 0 18328 purgestat CALL unlink(0xefbfaf00) 18328 purgestat NAMI ".hoststat/br./ufrj./ifcs./mail" 18328 purgestat RET unlink -1 errno 1 Operation not permitted 18328 purgestat CALL lseek(0x6,0,0,0,0) 18328 purgestat RET lseek 0 ... Will try a reboot right now, hoping fsck solves this problem. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Feb 17 23:01:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04565 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:01:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateway1.platinum.com (firewall-user@gateway1.platinum.com [208.232.182.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA04560 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:01:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nordquist@platinum.com) Received: by gateway1.platinum.com; id RAA21018; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:39:25 -0600 Received: from mailhub.platinum.com(172.17.26.25) by gateway1.platinum.com via smap (4.0a) id xma020159; Tue, 17 Feb 98 17:38:24 -0600 Received: from bigbert.vt.platinum.com (bigbert.vt.platinum.com [192.168.105.250]) by mailhub.platinum.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04847 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:38:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from neq1bert.vt.platinum.com by bigbert.vt.platinum.com (8.8.5/NX3.0S) id RAA07412; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:38:23 -0600 (CST) Received: by neq1bert.vt.platinum.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD3BCA.D3742A00@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:38:15 -0600 Message-ID: <01BD3BCA.D3742A00@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com> From: "Brent J. Nordquist" To: "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: ss/ss_err.h not copied (-stable make world) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:38:14 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have eBones. I cvsup'ed -stable and have tried twice (with and without -DCLOBBER) to build world -- it dies for lack of /usr/include/ss/ss_err.h. This file is found in /usr/include/ss/ss_err.h, but not in the /usr/obj temporary tree. To fix this and move on, I'm using: cp -p /usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libss/ss_err.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/ss -- Brent J. Nordquist / nordquist@platinum.com +1 612 905-7806 (direct) 800 526-9096 x7806 (corporate) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 04:31:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23474 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flint.cyweb.com (root@[209.83.135.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23382 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:31:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from harry@visiontm.com) Received: from hp.harry.com (dial-31.r05.scbuft.InfoAve.Net [207.144.97.231]) by flint.cyweb.com (8.8.0/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA14196 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:39:02 -0600 From: "Harry Patterson" To: "stable freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FTP and Telnet pblms with Ethernet Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:26:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd3c68$7bec7000$e76190cf@hp.harry.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Forgive a newbies persistence and verbosity, but I still can't get this going. My original post was: > I have a nagging problem getting Telnet and FTP to connect in reasonable > time frame (ws-ftp won't at all). I am using Windows95 with a 10MB Ethernet > connection to a FreeBSD 2.2.5 box. Apache works fine (fast) so it doesn't > seem to be a DNS thing (simple DNS with only one box, one domain, nslookup > and ping are fast from the win95 box). It appears to be taking inetd a long > time to issue the login and causes timeouts. (just remembered mail does the > same thing, all login dependant). I believe it is a FreBSD DNS problem with reverse lookup, but can't resolve it. I can lookup hostnames, addresses etc just fine from the Win95 to DNS. I can ping everything just fine from the FreeBSD box. But when I do an nslookup with no parameters it times out with the following: *** Can't find server name for address 192.168.93.203: timed out *** Default servers are not available (note: I am not connected to the Internet which is why I think the default server message) I've included everything I think is important below. I'm sure I'm missing something very elementary. Thanks for your help Harry ==== hosts ====== 127.0.0.1 localhost loghost 192.168.93.203 momma.harry.com ==== rc.conf excerpt ====== ### Basic network options: ### hostname="momma.harry.com" # Set this! ==== named.boot ====== directory /etc/namedb ;type domain source /host file backup file cache . named.root primary harry.com. db.harry.com ==== db.harry.com ====== @ IN SOA harry.com. Harry.harry.com. ( 1998021845 ; Serial numb 3600 ;refresh 900 ;retry 3600000 ;expire 3600 ) ;minimum ; name servers IN NS ns.harry.com. ns IN A 192.168.93.203 ; hosts localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 momma IN A 192.168.93.203 hp IN A 192.168.93.5 ; Mail records IN MX 50 momma.harry.com. ; Nicknames www IN CNAME momma ftp IN CNAME momma ; System Information - don't always want this to be correct for hackers momma IN HINFO "Intel Pentium" " FreeBSD 2.2.5" ;Reverse information $ORIGIN 93.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA IN NS ns.harry.com. 203 IN PTR momma.harry.com. 5 IN PTR hp.harry.com. $ORIGIN 0.0.127.IN-ADDR.ARPA IN NS ns.harry.com. 1 IN PTR localhost.harry.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 04:55:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28570 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:55:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28448 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:54:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA17928 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:54:06 -0800 (PST) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:54:04 -0800 Message-ID: <17922.887806444@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As some of you have already no doubt inferred from the commit mails, I'm in the middle of a major merge between 3.0 and 2.2. I'm not planning on bringing in any significant new features, just catch the 2.2-stable branch up with some of the many thousands (and I do mean *thousands*) of doc fixes, security patches and other types of defensive coding that have been added to the -current branch but were never brought into -stable. I've also suspended this activity for about 12 hours in order to give Mark Murray a chance to get all his Kerberos stuff into the tree so that I can re-sync with them (many of the patches in my pending list will be effected by his work and I'll need do a re-sync of my entire patch list tomorrow), but once that's done I'll continue at an even faster pace through the rest of the week. I started with 37MB of diffs and I'm down to 12MB, so we're doing fairly well for only the first week of merging. ;-) In any case, this is mostly just to let folks know that they should definitely be building the world with their -stable test boxes (and perhaps even a few production ones after a week or so has elapsed for any significantly negative feedback) and letting me know ASAP if any problems occur. And yes, just for the record, the minor number of libc HAS bumped and so you'll have to do an ``ldconfig -R'' as root after your first make world if you want to get rid of the (harmless) warnings that may spew out if you haven't done one for awhile. :) Thanks. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 06:07:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12298 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:07:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateway1.platinum.com (firewall-user@gateway1.platinum.com [208.232.182.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA12285 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nordquist@platinum.com) Received: by gateway1.platinum.com; id IAA18817; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:07:35 -0600 Received: from mailhub.platinum.com(172.17.26.25) by gateway1.platinum.com via smap (4.0a) id xma018002; Wed, 18 Feb 98 08:06:30 -0600 Received: from bigbert.vt.platinum.com (bigbert.vt.platinum.com [192.168.105.250]) by mailhub.platinum.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21219; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:06:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from neq1bert.vt.platinum.com by bigbert.vt.platinum.com (8.8.5/NX3.0S) id IAA02868; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:05:17 -0600 (CST) Received: by neq1bert.vt.platinum.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD3C43.EDBD1830@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:05:08 -0600 Message-ID: <01BD3C43.EDBD1830@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com> From: "Brent J. Nordquist" To: "'Jordan K. Hubbard'" , "'Mark Murray'" Cc: "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:05:07 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I posted a message to freebsd-stable yesterday about the ss/ss_err.h #include file... let me know if you don't see it. I got past that one and am currently stuck on: ===> usr.bin/ftp [...] --- ftp --- cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/../../contrib-crypto/telnet -o ftp cmds.o cmdtab.o complete.o domacro.o fetch.o ftp.o main.o ruserpass.o util.o -ledit -ltermcap complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_free' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_free' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_free' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_free' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_free' referenced from text segment util.o: Undefined symbol `_timersub' referenced from text segment util.o: Undefined symbol `_timersub' referenced from text segment util.o: Undefined symbol `_timersub' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 Brent -----Original Message----- From: Jordan K. Hubbard [SMTP:jkh@time.cdrom.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 6:54 AM To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! In any case, this is mostly just to let folks know that they should definitely be building the world with their -stable test boxes (and perhaps even a few production ones after a week or so has elapsed for any significantly negative feedback) and letting me know ASAP if any problems occur. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 06:17:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14231 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:17:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14209 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:17:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03027; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:15:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802181415.GAA03027@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Brent J. Nordquist" cc: "'Jordan K. Hubbard'" , "'Mark Murray'" , "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:05:07 CST." <01BD3C43.EDBD1830@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:15:06 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I posted a message to freebsd-stable yesterday about the ss/ss_err.h > #include file... let me know if you don't see it. I got past that one and > am currently stuck on: You are not building your world properly. Please make sure that you're not using anything silly like -DNOCLEAN. > ===> usr.bin/ftp > [...] > --- ftp --- > cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/../../contrib-crypto/telnet -o > ftp cmds.o cmdtab.o complete.o domacro.o fetch.o ftp.o main.o ruserpass.o > util.o -ledit -ltermcap > complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment ... You are linking against a stale libc. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 06:51:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21034 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:51:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateway1.platinum.com (firewall-user@gateway1.platinum.com [208.232.182.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA20947 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:50:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nordquist@platinum.com) Received: by gateway1.platinum.com; id IAA00414; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:50:48 -0600 Received: from mailhub.platinum.com(172.17.26.25) by gateway1.platinum.com via smap (4.0a) id xma029143; Wed, 18 Feb 98 08:49:36 -0600 Received: from bigbert.vt.platinum.com (bigbert.vt.platinum.com [192.168.105.250]) by mailhub.platinum.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25554; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:49:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from neq1bert.vt.platinum.com by bigbert.vt.platinum.com (8.8.5/NX3.0S) id IAA06530; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:49:27 -0600 (CST) Received: by neq1bert.vt.platinum.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD3C4A.1A0DA430@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:49:19 -0600 Message-ID: <01BD3C4A.1A0DA430@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com> From: "Brent J. Nordquist" To: "'Mike Smith'" Cc: "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: FW: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:49:18 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk OK... to be absolutely precise, "make -j4 world". I've always done parallel makes before with -stable, and I'm assuming that's not relevant? Brent -----Original Message----- From: Brent J. Nordquist [SMTP:nordquist@platinum.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 8:44 AM To: 'Mike Smith' Cc: 'Jordan K. Hubbard'; 'Mark Murray'; 'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org' Subject: RE: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! Of course I'm not using -DNOCLEAN. I'm just using "make world"... isn't that "proper"? The Makefile has been altered to copy one file (ss_err.h) at a key juncture... but otherwise, this is stock -stable. Brent To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 09:13:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16334 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:13:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16280; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16606; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:13:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199802181713.JAA16606@austin.polstra.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:13:33 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm going to nuke the boggle (tm) files from the CVS repository this weekend. If you update your sources using CVS, and have not done a "cvs update -P" in your games tree since Feburary 11, you will need to do one before this weekend. Otherwise, when you finally do your next cvs update, cvs will die because it can't find the RCS files in the repository. In that case you'll have to manually intervene, like this: cd /usr/src rm -rf games cvs -q upd -Pd games If you've already done the "cvs update -P" since February 11th, then you are in the clear and can safely ignore this message. Likewise, if you update your source tree using CVSup's "checkout mode", then you don't have to worry about this. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 09:39:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22235 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:39:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22002 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:38:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA26986; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:38:21 -0800 (PST) To: "Brent J. Nordquist" cc: "'Mike Smith'" , "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FW: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:49:18 CST." <01BD3C4A.1A0DA430@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:38:21 -0800 Message-ID: <26983.887823501@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > OK... to be absolutely precise, "make -j4 world". I've always done > parallel makes before with -stable, and I'm assuming that's not relevant? It could be. I'd stop doing that until you determine the cause here since none of us are able to reproduce your symptoms (and I certainly don't use -j). Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 09:54:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25692 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:54:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newserv.urc.ac.ru (newserv.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25188; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:52:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Received: from urc.ac.ru (y.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.37]) by newserv.urc.ac.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24422; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:51:06 +0500 (ES) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Message-ID: <34EB1F8A.A2543E68@urc.ac.ru> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:51:06 +0500 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: South Ural Center of FREEnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Some problems with raw IP programming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, IP networking gurus :-) Please help me to solve these problems: I wrote a small daemon using tun* devices for IP-in-IP tunnel. (Did not like any soft I saw before :-) It works almost fine (under 2.2.5-STABLE), but has 3 problems. 1. I use connected sockets (i.e. bind() and connect()): --- struct in_addr local_ip, remote_ip ; int raw_ip, tunnel, max_fd ; struct sockaddr_in local_ipaddr, remote_ipaddr ; const int true = 1 ; /* Initialization of local_ip and remote_ip with inet_aton() stripped... */ raw_ip = socket( PF_INET, SOCK_RAW, IPPROTO_IPIP ) ; if( is_syserror( raw_ip < 0, LOG_ERR, "Can't open raw socket" ) ) return ; if( is_syserror( setsockopt( raw_ip, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, & true, sizeof( true ) ), LOG_WARNING, "Can't reuse local address %s", local_addr ) ) err_printf() ; remote_ipaddr.sin_family = AF_INET ; remote_ipaddr.sin_addr = remote_ip ; if( is_syserror( connect( raw_ip, (struct sockaddr *)(& remote_ipaddr), sizeof( remote_ipaddr ) ), LOG_ERR, "Can't connect to remote address %s", remote_addr ) ) return ; local_ipaddr.sin_family = AF_INET ; local_ipaddr.sin_addr = local_ip ; local_ipaddr.sin_port = 0 ; if( is_syserror( bind( raw_ip, (struct sockaddr *)(& local_ipaddr), sizeof( local_ipaddr ) ), LOG_WARNING, "Can't bind socket to local address %s", local_addr ) ) err_printf() ; --- Running the daemon, I get: RR03:~# /usr/local/sbin/ipipd -i tun0 195.54.2.138 195.54.5.39 ipipd: Can't bind socket to local address 195.54.2.138: Can't assign requested address RR03:~# This error has number 49 - EADDRNOTAVAIL. But: RR03:~# ifconfig -a sl0: flags=9011 mtu 552 inet 195.54.2.138 --> 195.54.2.137 netmask 0xffffff00 Now I just ignore this error, and all works. Since there is only one route to the remote end of the tunnel, and it is through sl0 interface, I can be sure that IPIP packets have the source address 195.54.2.138. But if I have several possible routes (interfaces) from the local side of the tunnel, then the router at the remote end may reject packets with another source address :-( The same picture with fxp0 interface. Any suggestions? 2. When I receive IPIP (ICMP-in-IP, pinging through a tunnel) packets from the raw socket: --- size = recv( raw_ip, buffer, sizeof( buffer ), 0 ) ; if( is_syserror( size < 0, LOG_CRIT, "Can't read from %s", "raw socket" ) ) return ; h_len = (unsigned)( ((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_hl ) << 2 ; /* log_printf( LOG_INFO, "Size=%d, ip_len=%d, h_len=%d\n", size, ((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_len, h_len ) ; */ size = write( tunnel, buffer + h_len, /* ((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_len */ size - h_len ) ; --- h_len is equal to 20 (the correct size of the IP packet without any options); size (the result of recv() or read()) is equal to 104 (20 bytes for the envelope IP header, other 20 ones for the internal IP (ICMP) header, other 64 for the ICMP body); the ICMP packet INSIDE the IPIP header looks pretty good, BUT: ((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_len is 84 !!! i.e. EXACTLY 20 less then the "size" variable and always EQUAL TO the size of the ENCLOSED IP packet. So I have to use "size - hlen" for writing packets into tun*, or "((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_len", but not "((struct ip *)buffer)->ip_len - hlen" IP format description says the last should be correct, but it is not. 3. Sometimes (very seldom, can happen once a week), I get a message in syslog: Feb 11 03:50:05 Chelyabinsk-RNOC-RR03 ipipd[6835]: Can't write to raw socket: No buffer space available or Feb 18 22:13:45 Chelyabinsk-RNOC-RR03 ipipd[17393]: Can't write to raw socket: N o route to host This is from the code: --- size = write( raw_ip, buffer, size ) ; if( is_syserror( size < 0, LOG_CRIT, "Can't write to %s", "raw socket" ) ) { err_printf() ; continue ; } --- I ignore this error, preferring to lose a packet than to make a program more complicate (now it is just one endless loop with select() inside). But sometimes (even more seldom) that error causes the daemon to behave strange: Ping to the opposite side of the tunnel doesn't work. When I tcpdump the tun0 interface, I see packets in both directions, and I see the packets from the tunnel forwarded to other interfaces. When I tcpdump the sl0 interface (through which the tunnel comes), I see ONLY IPIP packets from the opposite side. When I restart the daemon, all gets OK. What can it be? Sorry for so long questions :-) Thanks. -- Konstantin V. Chuguev. System administrator of Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, Joy@urc.ac.ru Chelyabinsk, Russia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 11:12:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13285 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:12:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13109 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:11:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA02305; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:10:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:10:28 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Taylor To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Brent J. Nordquist" , "'Mike Smith'" , "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FW: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! In-Reply-To: <26983.887823501@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > OK... to be absolutely precise, "make -j4 world". I've always done > > parallel makes before with -stable, and I'm assuming that's not relevant? > > It could be. I'd stop doing that until you determine the cause here > since none of us are able to reproduce your symptoms (and I certainly > don't use -j). I can proudly say I can reproduce this! :-) I also was using -j4. I did a make bootstrap and it appears (the build isn't finished but I think it's past ftp now) that fixed it. Hmmmm... I also had this problem the last time I did a make world. Funny thing is my "old" machine which is also running -stable doesn't have this problem nor does Brian Handy's machine which is running stable. My new work machine is the newest of the installs I believe (early January). The home "old" machine has been running 2.2-stable since it was released. Brett ********************************************************* Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu http://peloton.physics.montana.edu/brett/ When you wake up in the morning With the blues in your fingertips Get out that ol' guitar and play It's the only way to scratch that itch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 13:04:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14670 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:04:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14632 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:04:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA06364; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:43:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:43:42 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Taylor To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Brent J. Nordquist" , "'Mike Smith'" , "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FW: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Brett Taylor wrote: > I can proudly say I can reproduce this! :-) I also was using -j4. I did > a make bootstrap and it appears (the build isn't finished but I think it's > past ftp now) that fixed it. Hmmmm... Oops - I lied. The make bootstrap didn't fix it (I had mistakenly thought it had gotten past ftp, but it hadn't). Hmmm.... I was still using -j4 however. I'll try just make world tonight. ********************************************************* Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu http://peloton.physics.montana.edu/brett/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 13:25:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19083 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:25:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19038 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:24:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cschuber@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.10) id NAA22066 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:24:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802182124.NAA22066@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "passer.osg.gov.bc.ca" via SMTP by localhost, id smtpdaazdCa; Wed Feb 18 13:24:45 1998 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 Reply-to: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: cschuber To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Games Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:24:42 -0800 From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk While on the topic of games, I remeber seeing a posting to the NetBSD tech-security mailing list on 19 Nov by someone from the FreeBSD project (Eivind Eklund ) that the FreeBSD games might be deleted at some future date, "To minimize work for NetBSD, I would suggest merging the FreeBSD changes. If this is what you go for, it has to be done NOW - FreeBSD is probably going to throw out the games in the very near future, which loose the revision history you need to merge effectively." Is this still going ahead? Is there any planned date for this? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 UNIX Support OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) ITSD BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET Government of BC Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 13:41:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21657 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:41:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com (proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21611 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by proxyb2.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00336; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:18:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34EB502E.B647A3A2@san.rr.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:18:38 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE-0218 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! References: <17922.887806444@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > As some of you have already no doubt inferred from the commit mails, > I'm in the middle of a major merge between 3.0 and 2.2. I know that I make a lot of seemingly critical comments/suggestions (in fact I'm working on a post with suggestions even as we speak :), but I know that you do work hard on this stuff. I'd like to thank you for your herculean effort. I think this will help make 2.2.6 the best release ever. > In any case, this is mostly just to let folks know that they should > definitely be building the world with their -stable test boxes (and > perhaps even a few production ones after a week or so has elapsed for > any significantly negative feedback) and letting me know ASAP if any > problems occur. I've been building every night, and of course I'm not shy about reporting problems, as you may have noticed. :) Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 14:25:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29037 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:25:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netmug.org (root@netmug.org [207.88.43.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28744 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:24:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perl@netmug.org) Received: from localhost (perl@localhost) by netmug.org (8.8.8/NetMUG_1.0.0) with SMTP id NAA11141 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:50:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Haro To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Unrequested reboots Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, Over the past few months, my FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE server has been rebooting for no apparent reason. I was wondering if there was a way to figure out why it reboots. The amount of time it takes until it reboots can vary from 2 hours to 8 days. Last time I built world was early January have there been any fixes which would help me out with this problem? If it is a hardware problem, any idea which hardware is causing it to reboot? I thought it might have been the power supply because once in a while the entire system would go dead like there was no juice to it. I have replaced the power supply and it is still rebooting. - From dmesg... CPU: Pentium (199.43-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 62689280 (61220K bytes) wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 4884MB (10002825 sectors), 10585 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): wd1: 6179MB (12655440 sectors), 13392 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S 1 3C5x9 board(s) on ISA found at 0x300 ep0 at 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa ep0: aui/utp[*UTP*] address 00:20:af:d7:83:c9 from swapinfo... Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/wd0s1b 75792 2336 73392 3% Interleaved /dev/wd1s1b 66984 2296 64624 3% Interleaved Total 142648 4632 138016 3% from top... last pid: 231; load averages: 0.46, 0.34, 0.32 11:42:34 64 processes: 2 running, 60 sleeping, 1 stopped, 1 zombie CPU states: 1.1% user, 69.3% nice, 20.3% system, 5.7% interrupt, 3.4% idle Mem: 29M Active, 4928K Inact, 15M Wired, 12M Cache, 7647K Buf, 540K Free Swap: 139M Total, 4760K Used, 135M Free, 3% Inuse If you have any idea why it is rebooting, please let me know. Thanks, Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNOtXlaOGpuouc5/dAQFlgwP/UlpnCxH0DtoAnCiz76XuU+drBIHsZAA8 yx9vFG/+fyy9+xaS00hX80PZtxgMceM6IYZFkvG/QZ6HIwjY8VVP185AAEajmXgm Y2WOq6RDOulCWB0JlBKi5q9Jd9T9qDu61ITbPZReUqUm1uF6jrystVX9bCd0xdc3 mxPpKL9/mk4= =1k8h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 14:26:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29211 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:26:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29058 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:25:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA07349; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:25:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:25:12 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Taylor Reply-To: Brett Taylor To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG cc: "Brent J. Nordquist" Subject: Re: FW: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Howdy again.... > I wrote earlier that the make world after make bootstrap had failed. > I was still using -j4 however. I'll try just make world tonight. I decided maybe I had something bad happen in my src tree so I wiped it out and started fresh. I then just tried to make in /usr.bin/ftp peloton: {53} make depend peloton: {54} make all cc -O2 -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/../../contrib-crypto/telnet -o ftp cmds.o cmdtab.o complete.o domacro.o fetch.o ftp.o main.o ruserpass.o util.o -ledit -ltermcap complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_free' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_free' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_free' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_free' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_add' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_free' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 Hmmm.... When I first tried to make world on this machine (a month ago or so - it's a new machine and I installed 2.2.5 in mid- January) I ran into trouble and I tried a make bootstrap and then make buildworld and that had seemed to fix things. I decided to try the this again, but again only try building ftp. cd /usr/src make bootstrap cd usr.bin/ftp make clean (clean out any bad junk from the first shot thru) peloton: {71} make depend peloton: {72} make cc -O2 -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/../../contrib-crypto/telnet -c /usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/cmds.c In file included from /usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/cmds.c:65: /usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/ftp_var.h:45: stringlist.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/ftp_var.h:51, from /usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/cmds.c:65: /usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/extern.h:82: parse error before `*' In file included from /usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/cmds.c:65: /usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/ftp_var.h:150: parse error before `*' /usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/ftp_var.h:150: warning: data definition has no type or storage class *** Error code 1 Now a different error... I don't get it. Idears? I have compared this w/ a different machine running stable as well. The make there proceeds cleanly. I diff'ed the /usr/lib directories and the only differences were the other machine had a libc.so.2.2 which my machine didn't have (I have a libc.so.3.0) and I have DES encryption where the other machine did not. I copied the libc.so.2.2 over to my /usr/lib, did a libconfig -m, and tried again. Same error as above. Man this reminds when I cvsup'ed at just the wrong time to get a bad bsd.port.mk right when I just about had a port to submit! Brett Taylor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 14:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01229 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01132 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:33:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04430; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:31:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802182231.OAA04430@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Brent J. Nordquist" cc: "'Mike Smith'" , "'Jordan K. Hubbard'" , "'Mark Murray'" , "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:44:29 CST." <01BD3C49.6DB17EF0@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:31:18 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Thanks for the response. > > Of course I'm not using -DNOCLEAN. I'm just using "make world"... isn't > that "proper"? The Makefile has been altered to copy one file (ss_err.h) > at a key juncture... but otherwise, this is stock -stable. "Stock Stable" builds clean, straight out of the box, without any bogus changes like you're describing. The *only* conclusion that can be reached is that there is something wrong with either your setup or what you are doing. Don't try to "fix" what isn't broken, you need to focus elsewhere. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 14:34:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01363 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:34:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01141 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:33:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04444; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:32:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802182232.OAA04444@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Brent J. Nordquist" cc: "'Mike Smith'" , "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FW: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:49:18 CST." <01BD3C4A.1A0DA430@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:32:16 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > OK... to be absolutely precise, "make -j4 world". I've always done > parallel makes before with -stable, and I'm assuming that's not relevant? Aha. And have you tried not running the build in parallel? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 15:02:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06010 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05951 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:02:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA15696; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:01:15 -0800 (PST) To: Brett Taylor cc: "Brent J. Nordquist" , "'Mike Smith'" , "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FW: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:43:42 MST." Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:01:15 -0800 Message-ID: <15686.887842875@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Will you guys stop using the bloody -j flag already!! :-) > On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Brett Taylor wrote: > > > I can proudly say I can reproduce this! :-) I also was using -j4. I did > > a make bootstrap and it appears (the build isn't finished but I think it's > > past ftp now) that fixed it. Hmmmm... > > Oops - I lied. The make bootstrap didn't fix it (I had mistakenly > thought it had gotten past ftp, but it hadn't). Hmmm.... > > I was still using -j4 however. I'll try just make world tonight. > > ********************************************************* > Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu > http://peloton.physics.montana.edu/brett/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 15:33:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10489 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:33:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10379 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:32:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA27501; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:10:40 -0800 (PST) To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Games In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:24:42 PST." <199802182124.NAA22066@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:10:40 -0800 Message-ID: <27491.887843440@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Is this still going ahead? Is there any planned date for this? It was being talked about but I don't think that it'll ever go forward. We're more inclined to lose them piecemeal as various lawyers attack them. :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 16:01:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16146 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:01:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16088 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:00:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA11065; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:57:43 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA03717; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:57:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980219005738.44297@follo.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:57:38 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Games References: <199802182124.NAA22066@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802182124.NAA22066@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca>; from Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 01:24:42PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [Quote from me (Eivind) in November] > "To minimize work for NetBSD, I would suggest merging the > FreeBSD changes. If this is what you go for, it has to be done > NOW - FreeBSD is probably going to throw out the games in the > very near future, which loose the revision history you need to > merge effectively." [Cy Schubert] > Is this still going ahead? This was my conclusion from mailing-list activites at the time (-hackers or -current - I don't remember which). It was not meant as an official statement (hence the "probably"). At this time, it seems like there is a lot of people that don't want the games to go, so I'd guess they're staying for the time being (for the forseeable future, that is.) Personally, I don't think the games belong as part of the OS, and similar sentiments had been voiced by others (including Jordan, IIRC). [Cy Schubert] > Is there any planned date for this? No - it isn't even a planned action :-) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 16:11:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18673 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18633 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:11:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id AAA05214; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:26:05 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:26:05 +0100 (MET) To: Mike Smith Cc: "Brent J. Nordquist" , "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FW: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! References: <199802182232.OAA04444@dingo.cdrom.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 19 Feb 1998 00:26:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:32:16 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith writes: > > OK... to be absolutely precise, "make -j4 world". I've always done > > parallel makes before with -stable, and I'm assuming that's not relevant? > Aha. And have you tried not running the build in parallel? ISTR that the handbook (or the FAQ) says something about "if you make world with -j and it fails, try without it before you scream out on the mailing lists" :) (If it doesn't, then maybe it should?) -- "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 16:48:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24460 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:48:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24381; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:48:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05105; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:45:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802190045.QAA05105@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Konstantin Chuguev cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some problems with raw IP programming In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:51:06 +0500." <34EB1F8A.A2543E68@urc.ac.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:45:19 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Hi, IP networking gurus :-) > > Please help me to solve these problems: > > > I wrote a small daemon using tun* devices for IP-in-IP tunnel. > (Did not like any soft I saw before :-) > > It works almost fine (under 2.2.5-STABLE), but has 3 problems. > > 1. I use connected sockets (i.e. bind() and connect()): > --- > struct in_addr local_ip, remote_ip ; > int raw_ip, tunnel, max_fd ; > struct sockaddr_in local_ipaddr, remote_ipaddr ; > const int true = 1 ; > > /* Initialization of local_ip and remote_ip with inet_aton() stripped... */ My guess would be that you forgot to bzero() these structures before you initialised them. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 17:26:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01592 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:26:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from socko.cdnow.com (socko.cdnow.com [209.83.166.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01586 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:26:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from heller@daria.cdnow.com) Received: from daria.cdnow.com (daria.cdnow.com [209.83.166.60]) by socko.cdnow.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13547; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from heller@localhost) by daria.cdnow.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA08552; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:26:33 -0500 (EST) From: "A. Karl Heller" Message-Id: <199802190126.UAA08552@daria.cdnow.com> Subject: Re: Games To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:26:33 -0500 (EST) Cc: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: heller@cdnow.com In-Reply-To: <27491.887843440@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 18, 98 03:10:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk They haven't included "hunt" in the list of games for a long time ( unless they changed the name). Hunt was one of the very first Unix games I played back at the University on BSD 4.3/4. I believe BSDI 0.9 also came with a version of it when I ran that. ( Before FreeBSD existed. I now only run FreeBSD =) I actually found the source code for a version of it once and hope I can still find the tar somewhere. Does anybody really know the status of this game? I know this isn't the place for this discussion, but as long as people are talking about the games... Karl > > Is this still going ahead? Is there any planned date for this? > It was being talked about but I don't think that it'll ever go > forward. We're more inclined to lose them piecemeal as various > lawyers attack them. :-) > Jordan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A. Karl Heller | It is foolhardy to assume that jiggling X Senior Systems Engineer | will not diddle Y, however unlikely. CDnow Inc. | MSG FROM OPERATOR : http://cdnow.com | OUR HAMSTER IS SICK. SYSTEM SHUTDOWN IMMEDIATELY. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 18:04:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08711 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:04:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08581; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:03:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01511; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:03:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd001482; Wed Feb 18 19:03:39 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20001; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:03:30 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802190203.TAA20001@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:03:30 +0000 (GMT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802181713.JAA16606@austin.polstra.com> from "John Polstra" at Feb 18, 98 09:13:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm going to nuke the boggle (tm) files from the CVS repository this > weekend. If you update your sources using CVS, and have not done a > "cvs update -P" in your games tree since Feburary 11, you will need to > do one before this weekend. So you decided against running the committer (a committer is a type of shell interpreter ;-)) script that I posted that would have accomplished the rename without this type of damage? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 18:37:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15885 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:37:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15818; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:36:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15418; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:36:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199802190236.SAA15418@austin.polstra.com> To: Terry Lambert cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:03:30 GMT." <199802190203.TAA20001@usr05.primenet.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:36:19 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > So you decided against running the committer (a committer is a type > of shell interpreter ;-)) script that I posted that would have > accomplished the rename without this type of damage? Yes, that's right. Terry, choose your battles, OK? This is a stupid bloaty game that nobody plays even when they can find it. If it were renamed, nobody would find it if they looked for it, which they wouldn't. The two or three of you out there who really care about this game have until the weekend to grab it out of the repository and put it into your vault along with that old Meet the Monkees LP you've been fondly cherishing for all these years. But hey, I've got an innovative suggestion that you might like, if only you'd try it. Go out and *buy* the stinkin' game at your local Toys R Us (tm). Play it the mechanical way. It works, it really does! And you just might find that you enjoy the physical sensation of lovingly caressing those finely sculpted plastic pieces. >From all the heat arising from the removal of this silly thing, I can only conclude that a whole lot of folks have waaaaaay too much free time on their hands. Well I'm not one of them, and the only remaining keystrokes I plan on making in connection with this thing will be "rm -rf boggle" (tm). -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 18:50:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18189 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:50:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18068; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:49:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA24704; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:49:33 -0800 (PST) To: John Polstra cc: Terry Lambert , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:36:19 PST." <199802190236.SAA15418@austin.polstra.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:49:32 -0800 Message-ID: <24700.887856572@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > until the weekend to grab it out of the repository and put it into > your vault along with that old Meet the Monkees LP you've been fondly > cherishing for all these years. But hey, I've got an innovative Whoa!! Terry has a "Meet the Monkees" LP he hasn't told us about?? Terry, baby, cookie, friend - I'll trade you a Sean Cassidy album AND my "Leif Garrett sings the hits of Muddy Waters" on 8-track (naturally) for it, and you can't get the latter just anywhere. Please? Please please please? I have all the Monkees albums except for this one, it having been ruined when an ex-roommate "accidently" dropped a brick onto it during a weekend long Monkees play-a-thon party. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 20:24:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28658 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:24:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28632 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:24:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15926; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:23:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199802190423.UAA15926@austin.polstra.com> To: heller@cdnow.com Subject: Re: Games In-Reply-To: <199802190126.UAA08552@daria.cdnow.com> References: <199802190126.UAA08552@daria.cdnow.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:23:54 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article <199802190126.UAA08552@daria.cdnow.com>, A. Karl Heller wrote: > They haven't included "hunt" in the list of games for a long time Of course not. Hunt (tm) is a well known brand of ketchup (tm). ;-) -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 20:40:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01563 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:40:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01522; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:40:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA26528; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd026525; Wed Feb 18 20:34:01 1998 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:30:06 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: John Polstra , Terry Lambert , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-Reply-To: <24700.887856572@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I don't really mind the lack of the game but I REALLY want to see what the lawyers would say to "yes we complied with your request we changed it's name to 'fourbyfour'." I think it would be instructive for us to do this. (it might also give the lawyers the shits which would be a good thing) julian On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > until the weekend to grab it out of the repository and put it into > > your vault along with that old Meet the Monkees LP you've been fondly > > cherishing for all these years. But hey, I've got an innovative > > Whoa!! Terry has a "Meet the Monkees" LP he hasn't told us about?? > Terry, baby, cookie, friend - I'll trade you a Sean Cassidy album AND > my "Leif Garrett sings the hits of Muddy Waters" on 8-track > (naturally) for it, and you can't get the latter just anywhere. > Please? Please please please? I have all the Monkees albums except > for this one, it having been ruined when an ex-roommate "accidently" > dropped a brick onto it during a weekend long Monkees play-a-thon > party. > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 20:50:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03024 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03008; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:50:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10451; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:49:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802190449.UAA10451@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Terry Lambert cc: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra), current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:03:30 GMT." <199802190203.TAA20001@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:49:47 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk 1 game gone :( N-1 games left to remove 8) Cheers, Amancio > > I'm going to nuke the boggle (tm) files from the CVS repository this > > weekend. If you update your sources using CVS, and have not done a > > "cvs update -P" in your games tree since Feburary 11, you will need to > > do one before this weekend. > > So you decided against running the committer (a committer is a type > of shell interpreter ;-)) script that I posted that would have > accomplished the rename without this type of damage? > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 21:29:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA06884 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:29:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06875; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:29:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10776; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA07263; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:29:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:29:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199802190529.WAA07263@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Terry Lambert Cc: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra), current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-Reply-To: <199802190203.TAA20001@usr05.primenet.com> References: <199802181713.JAA16606@austin.polstra.com> <199802190203.TAA20001@usr05.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I'm going to nuke the boggle (tm) files from the CVS repository this > > weekend. If you update your sources using CVS, and have not done a > > "cvs update -P" in your games tree since Feburary 11, you will need to > > do one before this weekend. > > So you decided against running the committer (a committer is a type > of shell interpreter ;-)) script that I posted that would have > accomplished the rename without this type of damage? It would have created the exact same damage, but immediately so that users would't have had the chance to not have the damage. If you understood how CVS works, you'd know this. I though you had used CVS in a past life, but apparently not. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Feb 18 22:21:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14897 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:21:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateway1.platinum.com (firewall-user@gateway1.platinum.com [208.232.182.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14885 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nordquist@platinum.com) Received: by gateway1.platinum.com; id IAA25648; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:46:30 -0600 Received: from mailhub.platinum.com(172.17.26.25) by gateway1.platinum.com via smap (4.0a) id xma024370; Wed, 18 Feb 98 08:45:21 -0600 Received: from bigbert.vt.platinum.com (bigbert.vt.platinum.com [192.168.105.250]) by mailhub.platinum.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25070; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:45:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from neq1bert.vt.platinum.com by bigbert.vt.platinum.com (8.8.5/NX3.0S) id IAA06437; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:44:38 -0600 (CST) Received: by neq1bert.vt.platinum.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD3C49.6DB17EF0@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com>; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:44:30 -0600 Message-ID: <01BD3C49.6DB17EF0@neq1bert.vt.platinum.com> From: "Brent J. Nordquist" To: "'Mike Smith'" Cc: "'Jordan K. Hubbard'" , "'Mark Murray'" , "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:44:29 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Thanks for the response. Of course I'm not using -DNOCLEAN. I'm just using "make world"... isn't that "proper"? The Makefile has been altered to copy one file (ss_err.h) at a key juncture... but otherwise, this is stock -stable. I thought "make world" was supposed to make a new libc long before it got to usr.bin; how can it be "stale"? Brent -----Original Message----- From: Mike Smith [SMTP:mike@smith.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 8:15 AM To: Brent J. Nordquist Cc: 'Jordan K. Hubbard'; 'Mark Murray'; 'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! > I posted a message to freebsd-stable yesterday about the ss/ss_err.h > #include file... let me know if you don't see it. I got past that one and > am currently stuck on: You are not building your world properly. Please make sure that you're not using anything silly like -DNOCLEAN. > ===> usr.bin/ftp > [...] > --- ftp --- > cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ftp/../../contrib-crypto/telnet -o > ftp cmds.o cmdtab.o complete.o domacro.o fetch.o ftp.o main.o ruserpass.o > util.o -ledit -ltermcap > complete.o: Undefined symbol `_sl_init' referenced from text segment .. You are linking against a stale libc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 00:06:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25426 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:06:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25401; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:06:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18508; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:06:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd018480; Thu Feb 19 01:06:08 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA25299; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:06:05 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802190806.BAA25299@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:06:05 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jdp@polstra.com, tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <24700.887856572@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 18, 98 06:49:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Whoa!! Terry has a "Meet the Monkees" LP he hasn't told us about?? > Terry, baby, cookie, friend - I'll trade you a Sean Cassidy album AND > my "Leif Garrett sings the hits of Muddy Waters" on 8-track > (naturally) for it, and you can't get the latter just anywhere. > Please? Please please please? I have all the Monkees albums except > for this one, it having been ruined when an ex-roommate "accidently" > dropped a brick onto it during a weekend long Monkees play-a-thon > party. As a matter of fact, I *do* have one of these. But you're not going to get it, or any of my original Beatles albums, either. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 00:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28108 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:22:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28066; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:22:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08609; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:22:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd008583; Thu Feb 19 01:22:22 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA26284; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:22:18 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802190822.BAA26284@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:22:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802190236.SAA15418@austin.polstra.com> from "John Polstra" at Feb 18, 98 06:36:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > So you decided against running the committer (a committer is a type > > of shell interpreter ;-)) script that I posted that would have > > accomplished the rename without this type of damage? > > Yes, that's right. Terry, choose your battles, OK? This is a stupid > bloaty game that nobody plays even when they can find it. If it > were renamed, nobody would find it if they looked for it, which they > wouldn't. This is the type of justification that begs for someone to point out to the first company to threaten a trademark case against a so-called "important part of the system" that: "Clearly your request is not being taken as seriously as Parker Brother's request, since all they did was change the name for you, but for Parker Brothers, they actually removed the infringing code". Just so we are all clear on the precedent for what any future trademark claimants can require as "reasonable, sufficient, and historically precedented action" on FreeBSD's part. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 00:25:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29261 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:25:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29230; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:25:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20708; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:25:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd020664; Thu Feb 19 01:25:25 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA26510; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:25:21 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802190825.BAA26510@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:25:21 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, jdp@polstra.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802190449.UAA10451@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Feb 18, 98 08:49:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > 1 game gone :( > > N-1 games left to remove 8) N-1 games + M kernel pieces that infringe on trademarks like "AppleTalk", "Adaptec", "Bus Logic", "SoundBlaster", etc.. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 00:27:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29869 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:27:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29799; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:27:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20896; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:27:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd020852; Thu Feb 19 01:27:25 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA26612; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:27:21 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802190827.BAA26612@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:27:21 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, jdp@polstra.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802190529.WAA07263@mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Feb 18, 98 10:29:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > I'm going to nuke the boggle (tm) files from the CVS repository this > > > weekend. If you update your sources using CVS, and have not done a > > > "cvs update -P" in your games tree since Feburary 11, you will need to > > > do one before this weekend. > > > > So you decided against running the committer (a committer is a type > > of shell interpreter ;-)) script that I posted that would have > > accomplished the rename without this type of damage? > > It would have created the exact same damage, but immediately so that > users would't have had the chance to not have the damage. > > If you understood how CVS works, you'd know this. I though you had used > CVS in a past life, but apparently not. The -P would still have been required, yes. "This type of damage" refers to the precedent set, and the potential future ramifications. I think we are done talking about this. FreeBSD has made their bed, and we'll see what happens when Sun or some other company comes to tuck them in. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 01:42:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09686 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:42:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.unet.ru (root@ns.unet.ru [195.9.254.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09642 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:41:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vick@unet.ru) Received: from atom (atom.unet.ru [195.9.254.10]) by ns.unet.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02405 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:01:59 +0300 Message-Id: <199802191101.OAA02405@ns.unet.ru> From: "Victor Ponomarev" To: Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:41:27 +0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Benedict Stockebrand wrote: > >> "Victor Ponomarev" writes: >> >> > Hardware: [...] Adaptec 2940 Ultra (BIOS 1997), >> > >> > [snip] >> > >> > 2) I took a old AHA 2940 Ultra from my friend (BIOS 1996) . >> > Well! All is fine. But I'm not sure that trasfer rate was 20 Mbps on >> > SCSI bus. >> >> Could it be that the old one was a 2940 U but the new one a 2940 AU? >> IIRC the OpenBSD people had some nasty surprises with that --- the old >> 2940 U works, but the 2940 AU uses a "simplified" chipset and didn't >> work with their 2940 U-based drivers. >> > >I would concur with this. I have a number of 2940U boards that worked >fine, but I had to shelve an Adaptec 2940AU until the ahc driver was >updated (in 2.2.5 ?). The 2940AU works great now (2.2.5-RELEASE and >2.2.5-STABLE). > >Chuck > I have 2940U board with BIOS ver. 1.34. This card by default uses 10Mbps transfer rate. If I put transfer rate to 20Mbps except problem with istallation the other problem also appear. If I compile some huge ports or kernel the SCSI bus hungs up on timeout and system crushed. Sorry I don't write the died dump by pen. Are any suggetion? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 01:51:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA11875 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:51:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11870 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:51:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06673; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:50:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802190950.BAA06673@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Victor Ponomarev" cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a strategy for making my STABLE installation stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:41:27 +0300." <199802191101.OAA02405@ns.unet.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:50:55 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I have 2940U board with BIOS ver. 1.34. This card by default uses 10Mbps > transfer rate. If I put transfer rate to 20Mbps except problem with > istallation the other problem also appear. If I compile some huge ports or > kernel the SCSI bus hungs up on timeout and system crushed. Sorry I don't > write the died dump by pen. > > Are any suggetion? Patient: When I do that, it hurts. Doctor: Don't do that. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 02:37:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16650 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:37:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16644; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:37:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA18924; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:37:25 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199802190825.BAA26510@usr02.primenet.com> References: <199802190449.UAA10451@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Feb 18, 98 08:49:47 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:29:11 -0600 To: Terry Lambert From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 2:25 AM -0600 2/19/98, Terry Lambert wrote: >> 1 game gone :( >> >> N-1 games left to remove 8) > >N-1 games + M kernel pieces that infringe on trademarks like "AppleTalk", >"Adaptec", "Bus Logic", "SoundBlaster", etc.. In the case of "Adaptec", etc. I am certain that we would be willing to add the usual line that acknowledges it to be the trademark of Adaptec, Inc., a California Corporation. The difference here is that we are not manufacturing SCSI interface cards. The code which we have that includes their name is meant to work with "Genuine Adaptec Parts". In the case of Parker Brothers, it would be argued that the item in question was meant to replace their game. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 02:54:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19838 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:54:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19760; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:54:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25537; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:54:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd025525; Thu Feb 19 03:54:34 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA24684; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:54:29 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802191054.DAA24684@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:54:29 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Richard Wackerbarth" at Feb 19, 98 04:29:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > In the case of "Adaptec", etc. I am certain that we would be willing to > add the usual line that acknowledges it to be the trademark of Adaptec, Inc., > a California Corporation. An operating system went to see a lawyer for a checkup. The lawyer said "Well, I have some bad news; you're going to die". "Jesus (Monroy)!", said the OS, "Isn't there anything I can do?". "Well", said the lawyer, "you could delete Tetris..." "But counselor!", said the OS, "I already deleted Tetris!" "Well", said the lawyer, "You could delete Boggle..." "But counselor!", said the OS, "I already deleted Boggle!" "Well", said the lawyer, "You could delete all your other games..." "But counselor!", said the OS, "I already deleted all the other games!" So there was the OS: a sinking ship with no baggage to throw overboard. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 03:04:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22386 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:04:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22347; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:04:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA03651; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:04:13 -0800 (PST) To: Terry Lambert cc: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth), current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:54:29 GMT." <199802191054.DAA24684@usr07.primenet.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:04:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3648.887886253@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > An operating system went to see a lawyer for a checkup. "Two strings walked into a bar..." Is this leading anywhere? :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 03:23:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26116 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:23:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26077; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:23:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20953; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:23:29 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199802191054.DAA24684@usr07.primenet.com> References: from "Richard Wackerbarth" at Feb 19, 98 04:29:11 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:06:12 -0600 To: Terry Lambert From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 4:54 AM -0600 2/19/98, Terry Lambert wrote: >> In the case of "Adaptec", etc. I am certain that we would be willing to >> add the usual line that acknowledges it to be the trademark of Adaptec, >>Inc., >> a California Corporation. > >An operating system went to see a lawyer for a checkup. > >The lawyer said "Well, I have some bad news; you're going to die". > >"Jesus (Monroy)!", said the OS, "Isn't there anything I can do?". > >"Well", said the lawyer, "you could delete Tetris..." > >"But counselor!", said the OS, "I already deleted Tetris!" > >"Well", said the lawyer, "You could delete Boggle..." > >"But counselor!", said the OS, "I already deleted Boggle!" > >"Well", said the lawyer, "You could delete all your other games..." > >"But counselor!", said the OS, "I already deleted all the other games!" > >So there was the OS: a sinking ship with no baggage to throw overboard. Terry - I happen to agree with you that rather than removing the functional (notice that I did not say UTILITARIAN) code, we should change the offending spelling. At the same time, I am pointing out that your other "examples" are just red herring. In the latter case, we ARE using the trademark of another corporation. However, we are doing so in a non-infringing manner and all that it is necessary to do is acknowledge that it is their trademark. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 06:26:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20965 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 06:26:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20922 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 06:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA13999; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:26:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA08771; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:26:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:26:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199802191426.HAA08771@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Terry Lambert Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), jdp@polstra.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-Reply-To: <199802190827.BAA26612@usr02.primenet.com> References: <199802190529.WAA07263@mt.sri.com> <199802190827.BAA26612@usr02.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > > > I'm going to nuke the boggle (tm) files from the CVS repository this > > > > weekend. If you update your sources using CVS, and have not done a > > > > "cvs update -P" in your games tree since Feburary 11, you will need to > > > > do one before this weekend. > > > > > > So you decided against running the committer (a committer is a type > > > of shell interpreter ;-)) script that I posted that would have > > > accomplished the rename without this type of damage? > > > > It would have created the exact same damage, but immediately so that > > users would't have had the chance to not have the damage. > > > > If you understood how CVS works, you'd know this. I though you had used > > CVS in a past life, but apparently not. > > The -P would still have been required, yes. "This type of damage" refers > to the precedent set, and the potential future ramifications. It would still cause the 'damage' the John was speaking about, in that if you had boggle checked out at that point, as soon as the rename was done everyone would have to go futz with their tree. By doing it the way John has done it, then people who stay updated don't have to futz with their tree. POLA. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 06:59:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26510 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 06:59:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gate2.consol.de (gate2.consol.de [194.162.127.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26137 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 06:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwe@consol.de) Received: (from root@localhost) by gate2.consol.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA09054; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:57:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mwe@consol.de) Received: from msgsrv.bb.consol.de(10.250.0.100) by gate2.consol.de via smap (V2.0) id xma009037; Thu, 19 Feb 98 15:57:01 +0100 Received: from gauss.int.consol.de (gauss.int.consol.de [10.0.1.2]) by msgsrv.bb.consol.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29259; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:57:01 +0100 Received: from fourier.int.consol.de (mwe@fourier.int.consol.de [10.0.1.17]) by gauss.int.consol.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA10857; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mwe@localhost) by fourier.int.consol.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA15812; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:56:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mwe) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:56:59 +0100 (CET) From: Michael Elbel Message-Id: <199802191456.PAA15812@fourier.int.consol.de> To: scot@poptart.org Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.stable References: Reply-To: me@FreeBSD.ORG X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #123 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.stable you write: >So the question is still how good the Adaptec cards are (because I can >actually just order one of those) - or if there are any resellers of the >Zynx cards (I'm UK based so its a tad more than 40 minutes to get to Zynx's >offices ;-). >Cheers. We've had the same problem here, it's next to impossible to get a Znyx card here in Germany - their sales people were very helpful but there's just a single reseller here in Germany. We decided to try out the Adaptec Card and it's working pretty well. The only thing is that with the current setup I have to ifconfig the interface twice before the media type (10BaseT/100BaseT) is auto detected for the Hub we're using. Setting the media type manually doesn't work at all. The performance is pretty good tho once the interfaces are up. Michael -- \|/ -O- Michael Elbel, ConSol* GmbH, - mwe@consol.de - 089 / 45841-128 /|\ Fermentation fault (coors dumped) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 07:09:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29337 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:09:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netcom1.netcom.com (mvh@netcom5.netcom.com [192.100.81.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29252 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:09:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@netcom.com) Received: (from mvh@localhost) by netcom1.netcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11286; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:09:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:09:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802191509.HAA11286@netcom1.netcom.com> From: "Michael V. Harding" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Since you asked - 'stable' doesn't build this morning... Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ... from a fresh 'cvsup' this morning, and no existing /usr/obj directory: ... -------------------------------------------------------------- Rebuilding the obj tree -------------------------------------------------------------- ... ===> gnu/usr.sbin if test -d /usr/src/libexec.i386; then echo "===> libexec.i386"; edir=libexec.i386; cd /usr/src/${edir}; else echo "===> libexec"; edir=libexec; cd /usr/src/${edir}; fi; /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make obj DIRPRFX=${edir}/ ===> libexec "Makefile", line 10: Malformed conditional (!(exists(${.CURDIR}/../kerberosIV) && exists(${.CURDIR}/../crypto) || defined(NOSECURE) || !defined(MAKE_EBONES)) "Makefile", line 12: if-less else "Makefile", line 12: Need an operator "Makefile", line 17: if-less endif "Makefile", line 17: Need an operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 07:41:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04362 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:41:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04302; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:40:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id KAA06528; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:21:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980219102110.62800@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:21:10 -0500 From: Norman C Rice To: me@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: scot@poptart.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: 4-port ethernet cards for -stable? References: <199802191456.PAA15812@fourier.int.consol.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199802191456.PAA15812@fourier.int.consol.de>; from Michael Elbel on Thu, Feb 19, 1998 at 03:56:59PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, Feb 19, 1998 at 03:56:59PM +0100, Michael Elbel wrote: > In lists.freebsd.stable you write: > > >So the question is still how good the Adaptec cards are (because I can > >actually just order one of those) - or if there are any resellers of the > >Zynx cards (I'm UK based so its a tad more than 40 minutes to get to Zynx's > >offices ;-). > > >Cheers. > > We've had the same problem here, it's next to impossible to get a Znyx card > here in Germany - their sales people were very helpful but there's just a > single reseller here in Germany. We decided to try out the Adaptec Card and > it's working pretty well. The only thing is that with the current setup I > have to ifconfig the interface twice before the media type > (10BaseT/100BaseT) is auto detected for the Hub we're using. Setting the > media type manually doesn't work at all. The performance is pretty good tho > once the interfaces are up. > > Michael > -- > \|/ > -O- Michael Elbel, ConSol* GmbH, - mwe@consol.de - 089 / 45841-128 > /|\ Fermentation fault (coors dumped) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message Great news about the Adaptec card. Anything special about the double `ifconfig'? Does this eliminate the need to periodically use ifconfig to bring the interface down and up? Do you see any kernel: deX: link down: cable problem? messages? Perhaps I can put the Adaptec cards to use for something other than dust receptacles. ;-) -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 09:45:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20020 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:45:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19947 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:44:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00823; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:44:14 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Taylor To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG cc: "Brent J. Nordquist" Subject: Re: FW: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > [me complaining about make world, and then just trying to build ftp > failing deleted] Well, I did a make world (wo/ the -j switch) and it went fine. I still don't understand why I can't ever build ftp by itself in its own /usr/src/usr.bin directory but it does fine in a standard make world... -shrug- ********************************************************* Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu http://peloton.physics.montana.edu/brett/ When you wake up in the morning With the blues in your fingertips Get out that ol' guitar and play It's the only way to scratch that itch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 10:31:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26828 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:31:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26805 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:31:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0y5akN-0001Gh-00; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:30:59 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA01356 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:31:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802191831.LAA01356@harmony.village.org> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: arc4random Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:31:08 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In doing some of the merging of some stuff that I've committed to -current, I've found a need for the arc4random stuff in -stable. Currently, there are two uses of arc4random in the -current tree. One is for good random numbers in the games and the other is for good random file names in mk*temp. I'd like to merge the latter into -stable, but need to add arc4random to -stable first. I asked -core and so far the onyl response has been go for it. I thought I'd ask here first to make sure I'm not overlooking any issues. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 11:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03098 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb2.san.rr.com (proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03070 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:03:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by proxyb2.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24117; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:01:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34EC819C.4072FF30@san.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:01:48 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE-0218 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael V. Harding" CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Since you asked - 'stable' doesn't build this morning... References: <199802191509.HAA11286@netcom1.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Michael V. Harding wrote: > > ... from a fresh 'cvsup' this morning, and no existing /usr/obj > directory: Someone committed a fix this morning for that problem. Do a cvsup and give it another go. :) Thanks, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 12:24:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15814 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:24:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15775 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:24:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08342; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:22:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802192022.MAA08342@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Brett Taylor cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Brent J. Nordquist" Subject: Re: FW: Merge mania in -stable; heads up! (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:44:14 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:22:52 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > [me complaining about make world, and then just trying to build ftp > > failing deleted] > > Well, I did a make world (wo/ the -j switch) and it went fine. > > I still don't understand why I can't ever build ftp by itself in its own > /usr/src/usr.bin directory but it does fine in a standard make world... You can. But you have to have the prerequisites in place, and at the time you were trying to build it, it was dependant on new libc components that you hadn't installed. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 18:24:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19028 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:24:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18947 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:23:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA15096 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:23:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:23:22 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199802200223.DAA15096@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > At 2:25 AM -0600 2/19/98, Terry Lambert wrote: > >> 1 game gone :( > >> > >> N-1 games left to remove 8) > > > >N-1 games + M kernel pieces that infringe on trademarks like "AppleTalk", > >"Adaptec", "Bus Logic", "SoundBlaster", etc.. > > In the case of "Adaptec", etc. I am certain that we would be willing to > add the usual line that acknowledges it to be the trademark of Adaptec, Inc., > a California Corporation. > > The difference here is that we are not manufacturing SCSI interface cards. > The code which we have that includes their name is meant to work with > "Genuine Adaptec Parts". > > In the case of Parker Brothers, it would be argued that the item in question > was meant to replace their game. By the way, are you guys aware that several of the pages at www.freebsd.org violate the "UNIX" trademark of The Open Group? (See http://www.UNIX-systems.org/what_is_unix.html and in particular http://www.UNIX-systems.org/tmug2.pdf) FreeBSD is certainly meant to "replace the game" of Solaris, Digital UNIX, AIX, etc... Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18-61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 19:27:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28375 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:27:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from avatar.dorm12.nctu.edu.tw (Avatar.Dorm12.NCTU.edu.tw [140.113.124.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27891 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:24:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kazuma@avatar.dorm12.nctu.edu.tw) Received: (from kazuma@localhost) by avatar.dorm12.nctu.edu.tw (8.8.8/8.6.12) id LAA17435 for stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:27:14 GMT From: Kaze Knight Message-Id: <199802201127.LAA17435@avatar.dorm12.nctu.edu.tw> Subject: Problem about de0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:27:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi there, I currently use DLINK DE530 CT/T+ and it worked fine. but after replacing my video card with MGA Mystique 220, a message came out frequently and connections broke frequently: de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow what does that mean? how can I solve it? here is part of dmesg: chip0 rev 3 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 vga0 rev 3 int a irq 9 on pci0:10 ncr0 rev 3 int a irq 12 on pci0:11 de0 rev 33 int a irq 10 on pci0:12 de0: 21041 [10Mb/s] pass 2.1 de0: address 00:80:c8:55:46:26 system: FreeBSD 2.2-971227-SNAP mainboard: ASUS P55CT2P4 Rev 3.0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 21:10:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15007 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:10:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mph124.rh.psu.edu (mph@MPH124.rh.psu.edu [128.118.126.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14868 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:09:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph@mph124.rh.psu.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by mph124.rh.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA04307; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:09:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mph) Message-ID: <19980220000941.06623@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:09:41 -0500 From: Matthew Hunt To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MAKE_EBONES becomes MAKE_KERBEROS4? Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Reading /usr/src/Makefile in 2.2-STABLE, it appears that due to the recent Kerberos changes, MAKE_KERBEROS4 is now used to specify that Kerberos should be built. /usr/src/etc/make.conf still uses the old variable, MAKE_EBONES: # $Id: make.conf,v 1.37.2.6 1998/01/11 02:45:16 bde Exp $ [...] # Kerberos IV # If you want the eBones-based Kerberos, define this: # #MAKE_EBONES= yes It appears that make.conf should be updated. I haven't actually run a build to verify the situation; I'm hoping someone can verify offhand that my observation is accurate. -- Matthew Hunt * Think locally, act globally. http://mph124.rh.psu.edu/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 21:37:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18430 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:37:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18401 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:37:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id HAA18647; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:37:09 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:37:09 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199802200537.HAA18647@silver.sms.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Petri Helenius To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: stable make world error X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This is from a cvsup about 8 hours ago, which got the Makefile fix but seems to suffer from other typo: ===> usr.bin/whois cc -nostdinc -O -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c: In function `main': /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:94: `optarg' undeclared (first use this function) /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:94: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:94: for each function it appears in.) /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:106: `optind' undeclared (first use this function) *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 22:00:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21362 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:00:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21354 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from bonsai.hiwaay.net (tnt3-196.HiWAAY.net [208.147.146.196]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA24685; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:59:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34ED1BE4.500F9F30@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:00:04 -0600 From: Steve Price X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Petri Helenius CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stable make world error References: <199802200537.HAA18647@silver.sms.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Petri Helenius wrote: > > This is from a cvsup about 8 hours ago, which got the Makefile fix > but seems to suffer from other typo: > ===> usr.bin/whois > cc -nostdinc -O -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c > /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c: In function `main': > /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:94: `optarg' undeclared (first use this function) > /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:94: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:94: for each function it appears in.) > /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:106: `optind' undeclared (first use this function) > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 Can you try the following patch? Please do a complete 'make world' and let me know the results. Thanks, Steve Index: stdlib.h =================================================================== RCS file: /u/FreeBSD/cvs/src/include/stdlib.h,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 stdlib.h --- stdlib.h 1996/09/14 02:57:05 1.6 +++ stdlib.h 1998/02/20 05:57:45 @@ -146,13 +146,6 @@ char *devname __P((int, int)); int getloadavg __P((double [], int)); -extern char *optarg; /* getopt(3) external variables */ -extern int opterr, optind, optopt; -int getopt __P((int, char * const *, const char *)); - -extern char *suboptarg; /* getsubopt(3) external variable */ -int getsubopt __P((char **, char * const *, char **)); - char *group_from_gid __P((unsigned long, int)); int heapsort __P((void *, size_t, size_t, int (*)(const void *, const void *))); Index: unistd.h =================================================================== RCS file: /u/FreeBSD/cvs/src/include/unistd.h,v retrieving revision 1.9.2.3 diff -u -r1.9.2.3 unistd.h --- unistd.h 1997/09/03 06:37:54 1.9.2.3 +++ unistd.h 1998/02/20 05:58:48 @@ -98,6 +98,10 @@ int unlink __P((const char *)); ssize_t write __P((int, const void *, size_t)); +extern char *optarg; /* getopt(3) external variables */ +extern int optind, opterr, optopt; +int getopt __P((int, char * const [], const char *)); + #ifndef _POSIX_SOURCE #ifdef __STDC__ struct timeval; /* select(2) */ @@ -183,6 +187,9 @@ void usleep __P((unsigned int)); void *valloc __P((size_t)); /* obsoleted by malloc() */ pid_t vfork __P((void)); + +extern char *suboptarg; /* getsubopt(3) external variable */ +int getsubopt __P((char **, char * const *, char **)); #endif /* !_POSIX_SOURCE */ __END_DECLS > Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 23:23:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01334 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:23:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01323 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:23:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0y5mnw-0006Ui-00; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:23:28 -0800 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:23:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pthreads vs. pthreads Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have an application which requires pthreads that I'd like to use on FreeBSD 2.2.5-stable Which is better, libc_r or mit-pthread? I think that the libc_r stuff had some compatibility problems. What is the status of this stuff in 2.2.5-stable? Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Feb 19 23:38:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02596 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:38:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02587 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA02363; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:37:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:37:16 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: Tom cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pthreads vs. pthreads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I have an application which requires pthreads that I'd like to use on > FreeBSD 2.2.5-stable > > Which is better, libc_r or mit-pthread? I think that the libc_r > stuff had some compatibility problems. What is the status of this stuff > in 2.2.5-stable? In General, I am not sure. I am using libc_r with MySQL with no problems. I do believe MIT threads are slower though... I am not sure about compatibility of libc_r, like I said I am using it with a fairly simple MySQL database. (used with Isp Admin, a nifty Java application for ISPs - www.hurl.net) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 03:35:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02038 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com (proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02032 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:35:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by proxyb2.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18542 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:11:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34ED64D4.A8924329@san.rr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:11:16 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE-0220 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Things I'd like to see in 2.2.6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------EF272A129227CC7C851B1A86" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EF272A129227CC7C851B1A86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, :) As I said the other day, I think 2.2.6 is going to be the best release of FreeBSD ever. To that end, I decided to post my list of things that I'd like to see added or updated. The problem with this of course is that I can't actually do any of this work. However I have done some of the leg work, and I am always available to test the bits, pieces, make world, etc. Here is my list, in order of priority. I know some of these are big changes, and perhaps they have to wait for -current. 1. Most important, I'd really love if we could get X version R6.4 in there. It's under a "closed release" now, which hopefully means the powerful and exciting FreeBSD project can get their hands on a copy. :) According to the www page, they have tested it with FreeBSD 2.2.something, so hopefully compatability won't be an issue. More info: http://www.camb.opengroup.org/tech/desktop/x/ 2. Upgrade xntpd. Currently version 3.4e is part of the base system. That's several years and versions behind. The most current version of xntpd is 3-5.92, and has many improvements in functionality, efficiency and stability. It compiles almost clean (just a few nits) on -Stable out of the box. Philippe was gracious enough to volunteer to take a look at this. I originally thought that this would be a -current thing, but if the new sources go into /usr/src/contrib (which I understand is the way of things now) it shouldn't be too tough. More info: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/ 3. Fix the warnings in /sys/i386/i386/machdep.c regarding the f00f hack. The attached patch is nothing more than Eivind's fix from -current, and it does fix the warnings, compile and run (I'm running that kernel now). I understand that there is/was some debate on the "right" way to fix this problem, however at this late date I don't care any more. :) The kernel should compile without warnings like this to disturb newbies, and as far as I can see this is the last warning message (in my kernel anyway :). 4.Upgrade top. I'm not even actually sure that this is necessary, since 3.5beta7 (the latest) doesn't seem to add anything, and ours actually shows more information. :) It might be nice if someone knowledgable were to go over the changes they've made and incorporate what looks good. More info: ftp://ftp.groupsys.com/pub/top/ 5. Document the -DNOPERL make world option. This should be an easy one. This is a feature people have asked about for a long time now, since it's actually in the makefile, let's make some noise about it. Of course this is begging the question about the need to import perl 5 into the base, but I know that won't happen for 2.2.6, so I'll stick with asking for the moon, and leave out the stars for now. :) 6. Update a couple ports, Wine and AfterStep. I know Wine is a moving target (about every two weeks) but the current version is 3 revisions out of date. Mail to the listed maintainer went unanswered. :-/ AfterStep is in version 1.4, and our 1.0 dates back to last May. The newer version is a lot more stable and feature rich. It does however take some hacking to get it built on FreeBSD since several of the modules are linux-specific. They are looking for someone to help with FreeBSD integration, so if anyone is looking for a project, this might be a good one. I imagine that there are more ports to look at, but these two I use so they are of more interest to me. :) I hope this is of use, Doug (who plans to buy the book/CD package when 2.2.6 rolls off) -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) --------------EF272A129227CC7C851B1A86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="f00f.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="f00f.patch" --- machdep.c.Dist Fri Feb 20 02:09:12 1998 +++ machdep.c Fri Feb 20 02:09:21 1998 @@ -1369,14 +1369,13 @@ } #if defined(I586_CPU) && !defined(NO_F00F_HACK) -void f00f_hack(void); +static void f00f_hack(void *unused); SYSINIT(f00f_hack, SI_SUB_INTRINSIC, SI_ORDER_FIRST, f00f_hack, NULL); -void -f00f_hack(void) { +static void +f00f_hack(void *unused) { struct region_descriptor r_idt; - unsigned char *tmp; - + vm_offset_t tmp; if (!has_f00f_bug) return; --------------EF272A129227CC7C851B1A86-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 04:26:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08972 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 04:26:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.x-link.ml.org (ns2.x-link.ml.org [163.195.1.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA08942 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 04:26:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swhite@ns2.x-link.ml.org) Received: from localhost (swhite@localhost) by ns2.x-link.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA20173 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:26:00 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from swhite@ns2.x-link.ml.org) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:25:59 +0200 (SAT) From: S White To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SMC Ethernet cards Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk G'day.. Please forgive me if this is not the right forum to raise this query, but I was wondering if there were any plans to support the new (?) SMC Etherpower II 10/100 cards in FreeBSD. I've tried to obtain the, in my experience, very reliable SMC9332BDT (Etherpower 10/100) cards but have been informed that these are no longer available and the replacement SMC9432TX is not supported in 2.2.5-RELEASE. I would appreciate any feedback... Regards, - Sean. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 05:25:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17632 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:25:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA (ukrcard-gu.gu.net [194.93.170.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17575 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:24:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA16579; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:23:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from alex@solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:23:40 +0200 (EET) From: Alexander Tatmaniants To: S White cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMC Ethernet cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, S White wrote: > > G'day.. > > Please forgive me if this is not the right forum to raise this query, but > I was wondering if there were any plans to support the new (?) SMC > Etherpower II 10/100 cards in FreeBSD. I've tried to obtain the, in my > experience, very reliable SMC9332BDT (Etherpower 10/100) cards but have > been informed that these are no longer available and the replacement > SMC9432TX is not supported in 2.2.5-RELEASE. It seems to be supported in 2.2.5-stable (tx driver). > > I would appreciate any feedback... > > Regards, > - Sean. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 06:46:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28188 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 06:46:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postman.opengroup.org (postman.opengroup.org [130.105.1.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA28181 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 06:46:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from loverso@opengroup.org) Received: from opengroup.org (coltsfoot.camb.opengroup.org [130.105.3.72]) by postman.opengroup.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA30637 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:44:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802201444.JAA30637@postman.opengroup.org> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2-980219-SNAP sysinstall bug X-Face: "UZ!}1W2N?eJdN(`1%|/OOPqJ).Idk?UyvWw'W-%`Gto8^IkEm>.g1O$[.;~}8E=Ire0|lO .o>:NlJS1@vO9bVmswRoq3j DdX9YGSeJ5a(mfX[1u>Z63G5_^+'8LVqjqvn X-Url: http://www.osf.org/~loverso/ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:44:53 -0500 From: John Robert LoVerso Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Yesterday I downloaded the aforementioned snap and tried to use "upgrade" on some old machines (running 2.1.7.1 and 2.2.1). Using the boot.flp, sysinstall botched reading the existing disklabel for both machines (one using a 2G SCSI disk off an NCR825, the other a laptop using a 1G drive). It picked up the slices (fdisk) just right, it just claimed that neither disk was set up into partitions. When I rebooted using the 2.2.5 boot.flp, sysinstall picked up the labels of both disks correctly. Hence, this is a bug introduced since 2.2.5. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 07:11:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02826 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:11:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02813 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:11:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from localhost (fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07609; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:13:17 +0600 (NS) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:13:17 +0600 (NS) From: Max Khon To: S White cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMC Ethernet cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, S White wrote: > Please forgive me if this is not the right forum to raise this query, but > I was wondering if there were any plans to support the new (?) SMC > Etherpower II 10/100 cards in FreeBSD. I've tried to obtain the, in my > experience, very reliable SMC9332BDT (Etherpower 10/100) cards but have > been informed that these are no longer available and the replacement > SMC9432TX is not supported in 2.2.5-RELEASE. SMC EtherPower II (SMC9432TX) driver is available at http://iclub.nsu.ru/~semen /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 07:17:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03875 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:17:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hal.securities.com.pl (hal.securities.com.pl [195.205.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA03823 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:17:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from siosion@hal.securities.com.pl) Received: from localhost by hal.securities.com.pl with smtp (Smail3.2.0.90 #2) id m0y5uC7-000VEcC; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:16:55 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:16:53 +0100 (MET) From: Adam Szeliga To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 07:40:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07304 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:40:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07187 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:40:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA10560; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:39:42 -0800 (PST) To: S White cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMC Ethernet cards In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 20 Feb 1998 14:25:59 +0200." Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:39:41 -0800 Message-ID: <10556.887989181@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Please forgive me if this is not the right forum to raise this query, but > I was wondering if there were any plans to support the new (?) SMC > Etherpower II 10/100 cards in FreeBSD. I've tried to obtain the, in my Excuse me? They're supported right now! :) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 07:48:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09218 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:48:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (gatekeeper.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09178 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:48:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@partsnow.com) Received: (from bin@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA23867; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:48:48 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cerberus.partsnow.com: bin set sender to using -f Received: from wildeweb(192.168.100.10) by cerberus.partsnow.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023864; Fri, 20 Feb 98 07:48:42 -0800 Message-ID: <34EDA57E.A3F55828@partsnow.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:47:10 -0800 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: don@partsnow.com Organization: Soligen, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository References: <199802190449.UAA10451@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty wrote: > > 1 game gone :( > > N-1 games left to remove 8) > > Cheers, > Amancio > Oh, come on, now, Amancio. We all know you play the biggest game of all on FreeBSD... it's called gcc 8) -- oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo  To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 07:55:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10878 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:55:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (gatekeeper.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10825 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:54:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@partsnow.com) Received: (from bin@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA23998; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:55:18 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cerberus.partsnow.com: bin set sender to using -f Received: from wildeweb(192.168.100.10) by cerberus.partsnow.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023992; Fri, 20 Feb 98 07:55:08 -0800 Message-ID: <34EDA701.AA0816E9@partsnow.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:53:37 -0800 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: don@partsnow.com Organization: Soligen, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from References: <3648.887886253@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk hey, tell the whole joke! or is that disappearing into the bit bucket, too? no,no,no, not fortune! oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo  To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 07:58:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11710 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uranus.planet-three.com (homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11637 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:58:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from planet-three.com (host5-99-53-80.btinternet.com [195.99.53.80]) by uranus.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16482 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:37:33 GMT Message-ID: <34EDA335.4BDADC31@planet-three.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:37:25 +0000 From: Scot Elliott Organization: Planet Three LTD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: xntp messages in new build Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi. I did a cvsup yesterday of the current Stable source, and built world. Now I'm getting syslog messages from xntpd. And clues? Feb 20 15:34:16 uranus xntpd[16462]: Previous time adjustment didn't complete Thanks, Scot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 08:36:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18716 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:36:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fanfic.org (fanfic.org [205.150.35.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18597 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:35:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Received: from fanfic.org (fanfic.org [205.150.35.145]) by fanfic.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA07151; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:34:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Posted-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:34:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:34:47 -0500 (EST) From: Dennis Tenn To: Scot Elliott cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xntp messages in new build In-Reply-To: <34EDA335.4BDADC31@planet-three.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Scot Elliott wrote: | Hi. I did a cvsup yesterday of the current Stable source, and built world. | Now I'm getting syslog messages from xntpd. And clues? | | Feb 20 15:34:16 uranus xntpd[16462]: Previous time adjustment didn't | complete All it means AFAIK is it couldn't connect to the time server to update the clock. This happens on my system too and you shouldn't worry about it. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dennis Tenn * There will always come a time dstenn@fanfic.org * When your love will be tested * Stand tall and rise to the occasion * For only then will you grow strong. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 09:18:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26471 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:18:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postman.opengroup.org (postman.opengroup.org [130.105.1.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26318 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:17:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from loverso@opengroup.org) Received: from opengroup.org (coltsfoot.camb.opengroup.org [130.105.3.72]) by postman.opengroup.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10948 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:52:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802201652.LAA10948@postman.opengroup.org> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2-980219-SNAP GENERIC reboots X-Face: "UZ!}1W2N?eJdN(`1%|/OOPqJ).Idk?UyvWw'W-%`Gto8^IkEm>.g1O$[.;~}8E=Ire0|lO .o>:NlJS1@vO9bVmswRoq3j DdX9YGSeJ5a(mfX[1u>Z63G5_^+'8LVqjqvn X-Url: http://www.osf.org/~loverso/ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:52:03 -0500 From: John Robert LoVerso Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have a PPro 180 (Dec Celebris GL180) that I just upgraded from 2.2.1 to the 2.2-980219-SNAP. Right after upgrading, the machine crashed and rebooted several times. AFAIK, it always happened when I was giving Netscape 4.04 a mouse click (or PageDown key). Unfortunately, I don't have a backtrace because a dump device wasn't configured then. However, since adding a dump device, I've also built a non-GENERIC kernel (no I386_CPU/I486_CPU, some other changes), and I haven't had the machine crash since. I just note this because before I went to the non-GENERIC kernel, the system was anything but "stable". John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 10:30:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08352 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:30:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08318 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:30:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA22614; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:29:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:28:48 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Don Wilde cc: Amancio Hasty , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository In-Reply-To: <34EDA57E.A3F55828@partsnow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Don Wilde wrote: > > 1 game gone :( > > > > N-1 games left to remove 8) > > Oh, come on, now, Amancio. We all know you play the biggest game of all > on FreeBSD... it's called gcc 8) As long as we don't lose Hangman, I'm happy. That long word listing is great. :) Keeps my youngest siblings happy for hours. They were very unhappy to see that Tetris died, but didn't think Boggle was a big loss. There are times when the Coda source gets too much for me and I break down and play hangman for a bit while it attempts (and fails) to compile. Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 10:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08873 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08806 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:33:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA22679; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:33:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:32:48 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: John Robert LoVerso cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2-980219-SNAP GENERIC reboots In-Reply-To: <199802201652.LAA10948@postman.opengroup.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, John Robert LoVerso wrote: > I have a PPro 180 (Dec Celebris GL180) that I just upgraded from 2.2.1 to > the 2.2-980219-SNAP. Right after upgrading, the machine crashed and rebooted > several times. AFAIK, it always happened when I was giving Netscape 4.04 a > mouse click (or PageDown key). Unfortunately, I don't have a backtrace > because a dump device wasn't configured then. However, since adding a > dump device, I've also built a non-GENERIC kernel (no I386_CPU/I486_CPU, > some other changes), and I haven't had the machine crash since. > > I just note this because before I went to the non-GENERIC kernel, the system > was anything but "stable". I had that problem on the 0216 -GENERIC kernel. I also did not have DDB or dumping available -- the machine would bite when it first attempted to swap -- supervisor read, page not present, etc. As soon as I stuck a custom kernel on the machine (with DDB), it stopped happening. If there is interest, I can turn on a dump device and boot the GENERIC kernel again and see what happens. To trigger it, all I needed to do was have it swap a little bit: #include void main(void) { int i; char *b; while (1) { b = (char *) malloc(8192); for (i = 0 ; i < 8000; i += 5) { b[i] = '\1'; } } } Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 10:58:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13185 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:58:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from prefetch.san.rr.com (ns1.san.rr.com [204.210.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13124 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:57:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by prefetch.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17533; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:55:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34EDD18A.4F5DE3D5@san.rr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:55:06 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE-0220 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scot Elliott CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xntp messages in new build References: <34EDA335.4BDADC31@planet-three.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Scot Elliott wrote: > > Hi. I did a cvsup yesterday of the current Stable source, and built world. > Now I'm getting syslog messages from xntpd. And clues? > > Feb 20 15:34:16 uranus xntpd[16462]: Previous time adjustment didn't > complete Check your clock to see if it's close to the correct time. I've had problems sometimes after a reboot where the clock was so far off that xntpd refused to adjust it. A quick ntpdate fixed me right up. Hope this helps, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 10:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13297 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:58:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13279 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:58:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27347; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:58:04 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34ED64D4.A8924329@san.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:55:06 -0600 To: Studded From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: Things I'd like to see in 2.2.6 Cc: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 5:11 AM -0600 2/20/98, Studded wrote: >2. Upgrade xntpd. Currently version 3.4e is part of the base system. >That's several years and versions behind. The most current version of >xntpd is 3-5.92, and has many improvements in functionality, efficiency >and >stability. It compiles almost clean (just a few nits) on -Stable out of >the box. Philippe was gracious enough to volunteer to take a look at >this. I originally thought that this would be a -current thing, but if >the new sources go into /usr/src/contrib (which I understand is the way >of things now) it shouldn't be too tough. >More info: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/ I just downloaded ntp-4.0.72.tar.gz and it installed perfectly on by 2.2.5+ system. All I did was extract, configure, make. No editing necessary. What did you mean by "almost clean"? Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 11:07:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14797 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:07:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14785 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA23358; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:49:33 -0800 (PST) To: Robert Watson cc: John Robert LoVerso , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2-980219-SNAP GENERIC reboots In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:32:48 EST." Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:49:32 -0800 Message-ID: <23354.888000572@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > custom kernel on the machine (with DDB), it stopped happening. If there > is interest, I can turn on a dump device and boot the GENERIC kernel again > and see what happens. To trigger it, all I needed to do was have it swap > a little bit: There is interest - I'd really like to see if this can be reproduced with any 2.2 GENERIC kernel made after Mike Smith fixed the swapper/LS-120 (wfd) device collision that caused current/stable systems to panic just as soon as they needed to swap. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 12:12:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22904 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:12:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb2.san.rr.com (proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22804 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by proxyb2.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11639; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:10:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34EDE33D.1FBFA4E@san.rr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:10:37 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE-0220 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Wackerbarth CC: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Things I'd like to see in 2.2.6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > > At 5:11 AM -0600 2/20/98, Studded wrote: > > >2. Upgrade xntpd. Currently version 3.4e is part of the base system. > >That's several years and versions behind. The most current version of > >xntpd is 3-5.92, and has many improvements in functionality, efficiency > >and > >stability. It compiles almost clean (just a few nits) on -Stable out of > >the box. Philippe was gracious enough to volunteer to take a look at > >this. I originally thought that this would be a -current thing, but if > >the new sources go into /usr/src/contrib (which I understand is the way > >of things now) it shouldn't be too tough. > >More info: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/ > > I just downloaded ntp-4.0.72.tar.gz and it installed perfectly on by 2.2.5+ > system. All I did was extract, configure, make. No editing necessary. I'm not familiar with 'ntp-4.0.72'. Where did you get it? I got xntpd 3-5.92 from the site listed above, and based on the file structure of the sources in that file it appears to be the successor to what we have in our tree. And I didn't need to edit anything in the xntpd archive I installed, it just had a few minor compiler warnings, mostly related to discarding const info. Hope this helps, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 13:08:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03681 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:08:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03579 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:07:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id XAA20526; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:07:21 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:07:21 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199802202107.XAA20526@silver.sms.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Petri Helenius To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stable make world error In-Reply-To: <34ED1BE4.500F9F30@hiwaay.net> References: <199802200537.HAA18647@silver.sms.fi> <34ED1BE4.500F9F30@hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I re-cvsupped and my world made itself nicely, so I didn't need to patch manually. Thanks anyway! Pete Steve Price writes: > Petri Helenius wrote: > > > > This is from a cvsup about 8 hours ago, which got the Makefile fix > > but seems to suffer from other typo: > > ===> usr.bin/whois > > cc -nostdinc -O -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c > > /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c: In function `main': > > /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:94: `optarg' undeclared (first use this function) > > /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:94: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > > /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:94: for each function it appears in.) > > /usr/src/usr.bin/whois/whois.c:106: `optind' undeclared (first use this function) > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > > *** Error code 1 > > Can you try the following patch? Please do a complete 'make world' > and let me know the results. > > Thanks, Steve > > Index: stdlib.h > =================================================================== > RCS file: /u/FreeBSD/cvs/src/include/stdlib.h,v > retrieving revision 1.6 > diff -u -r1.6 stdlib.h > --- stdlib.h 1996/09/14 02:57:05 1.6 > +++ stdlib.h 1998/02/20 05:57:45 > @@ -146,13 +146,6 @@ > char *devname __P((int, int)); > int getloadavg __P((double [], int)); > > -extern char *optarg; /* getopt(3) external variables */ > -extern int opterr, optind, optopt; > -int getopt __P((int, char * const *, const char *)); > - > -extern char *suboptarg; /* getsubopt(3) external variable */ > -int getsubopt __P((char **, char * const *, char **)); > - > char *group_from_gid __P((unsigned long, int)); > int heapsort __P((void *, size_t, size_t, > int (*)(const void *, const void *))); > Index: unistd.h > =================================================================== > RCS file: /u/FreeBSD/cvs/src/include/unistd.h,v > retrieving revision 1.9.2.3 > diff -u -r1.9.2.3 unistd.h > --- unistd.h 1997/09/03 06:37:54 1.9.2.3 > +++ unistd.h 1998/02/20 05:58:48 > @@ -98,6 +98,10 @@ > int unlink __P((const char *)); > ssize_t write __P((int, const void *, size_t)); > > +extern char *optarg; /* getopt(3) external variables */ > +extern int optind, opterr, optopt; > +int getopt __P((int, char * const [], const char *)); > + > #ifndef _POSIX_SOURCE > #ifdef __STDC__ > struct timeval; /* select(2) */ > @@ -183,6 +187,9 @@ > void usleep __P((unsigned int)); > void *valloc __P((size_t)); /* obsoleted by malloc() */ > pid_t vfork __P((void)); > + > +extern char *suboptarg; /* getsubopt(3) external variable */ > +int getsubopt __P((char **, char * const *, char **)); > #endif /* !_POSIX_SOURCE */ > __END_DECLS > > > > Pete > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 14:17:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13206 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13170 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:17:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01369; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:57:19 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34EDE33D.1FBFA4E@san.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:53:09 -0600 To: Studded From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: Things I'd like to see in 2.2.6 Cc: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 2:10 PM -0600 2/20/98, Studded wrote: >Richard Wackerbarth wrote: >> >> At 5:11 AM -0600 2/20/98, Studded wrote: >> >> >2. Upgrade xntpd. Currently version 3.4e is part of the base system. >> >That's several years and versions behind. The most current version of >> >xntpd is 3-5.92, and has many improvements in functionality, efficiency >> >and >> >stability. It compiles almost clean (just a few nits) on -Stable out of >> >the box. Philippe was gracious enough to volunteer to take a look at >> >this. I originally thought that this would be a -current thing, but if >> >the new sources go into /usr/src/contrib (which I understand is the way >> >of things now) it shouldn't be too tough. >> >More info: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/ >> >> I just downloaded ntp-4.0.72.tar.gz and it installed perfectly on by 2.2.5+ >> system. All I did was extract, configure, make. No editing necessary. > > I'm not familiar with 'ntp-4.0.72'. Where did you get it? Same site. > I got xntpd >3-5.92 from the site listed above, and based on the file structure of >the sources in that file it appears to be the successor to what we have >in our tree. And I didn't need to edit anything in the xntpd archive I >installed, it just had a few minor compiler warnings, mostly related to >discarding const info. Well, if you had read the instructions that came with it, they said to ignore such warnings because they were expected (and with work, will eventually be eliminated) but do not represent any real problems. I believe that we have a "it just works" port here. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 14:30:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15787 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:30:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA15748 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:30:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0y60xP-00021c-00; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:30:11 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA18268; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:30:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802202230.PAA18268@harmony.village.org> To: Dennis Tenn Subject: Re: xntp messages in new build Cc: Scot Elliott , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:34:47 EST." References: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:30:30 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message Dennis Tenn writes: : | Feb 20 15:34:16 uranus xntpd[16462]: Previous time adjustment didn't : | complete : : All it means AFAIK is it couldn't connect to the time server to update the : clock. This happens on my system too and you shouldn't worry about it. No. That's not quite right. It means that the last adjustment (via tickadj) didn't finish slowly skewing the clock before the next one was requested. I've seen this mostly when there is a largish offset at the start. You can ignore these messages if you have a couple, but thery may indicate something wrong with your hardware (or that of the time server) if you get lots of them. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 14:32:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15955 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:32:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA15876 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:31:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0y60yl-00021e-00; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:31:35 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA18279; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:31:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802202231.PAA18279@harmony.village.org> To: Robert Watson Subject: Re: Heads up: src/games/boggle (tm) will soon be removed from repository Cc: Don Wilde , Amancio Hasty , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:28:48 EST." References: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:31:48 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message Robert Watson writes: : As long as we don't lose Hangman, I'm happy. That long word listing is : great. :) Keeps my youngest siblings happy for hours. They were very : unhappy to see that Tetris died, but didn't think Boggle was a big loss. : There are times when the Coda source gets too much for me and I break down : and play hangman for a bit while it attempts (and fails) to compile. Hmmm. I like OpenBSD's ddb implementation of hangman myself :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 14:37:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17487 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA17125 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:35:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0y612K-00021p-00; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:35:16 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA18313; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:35:35 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802202235.PAA18313@harmony.village.org> To: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: Things I'd like to see in 2.2.6 Cc: Studded , FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:53:09 CST." References: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:35:35 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message Richard Wackerbarth writes: : > I'm not familiar with 'ntp-4.0.72'. Where did you get it? : Same site. I've been running xntpd with some patches to temp file names that Theo came up with that were merged into the main development tree of ntp. They seem to work just fine on my freeBSD system here. I'd rather upgrade to a new rev of xntpd rather than check them into the tree (which is why I haven't checked them in yet...) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 14:54:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19968 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:54:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mph124.rh.psu.edu (mph@MPH124.rh.psu.edu [128.118.126.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19946 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:54:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph@mph124.rh.psu.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by mph124.rh.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00846; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:54:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mph) Message-ID: <19980220175415.56993@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:54:15 -0500 From: Matthew Hunt To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: More on eBones to KerberosIV migration Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk My first "make world" after the eBones to KerberosIV changes just finished. I've found that the following steps were necessary to get my old Kerberos setup to work again: Rename /etc/kerberosIV/master_key to /etc/kerberosIV/master-key Create /var/db/kerberos Move /etc/kerberosIV/principal.{db,ok} to /var/db/kerberos At the very least, references to "master_key" in the Handbook should be changed along the lines of "master-key (master_key in versions before 2.2.6)" just as with the sysconfig to rc.conf change. It would probably also be a good idea to publicize the bit about /var/db/kerberos, but I'm not sure how best to do that. Alternatively, the Kerberos code could be modified to fall back to files in the old locations. -- Matthew Hunt * Think locally, act globally. http://mph124.rh.psu.edu/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 15:30:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26059 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fanfic.org (fanfic.org [205.150.35.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26008 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:30:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Received: from fanfic.org (fanfic.org [205.150.35.145]) by fanfic.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA07949; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:29:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Posted-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:29:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:29:13 -0500 (EST) From: Dennis Tenn To: Warner Losh cc: Scot Elliott , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xntp messages in new build In-Reply-To: <199802202230.PAA18268@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Warner Losh wrote: | In message Dennis Tenn writes: | : | Feb 20 15:34:16 uranus xntpd[16462]: Previous time adjustment didn't | : | complete | : | : All it means AFAIK is it couldn't connect to the time server to update the | : clock. This happens on my system too and you shouldn't worry about it. | | No. That's not quite right. It means that the last adjustment (via | tickadj) didn't finish slowly skewing the clock before the next one | was requested. I've seen this mostly when there is a largish offset | at the start. You can ignore these messages if you have a couple, but | thery may indicate something wrong with your hardware (or that of the | time server) if you get lots of them. Well yes. I stand corrected. I meant that but my words didn't follow my train of thought. Sorry. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dennis Tenn * There will always come a time dstenn@fanfic.org * When your love will be tested * Stand tall and rise to the occasion * For only then will you grow strong. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 15:50:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29975 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:50:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29963 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04667; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:50:28 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199802202235.PAA18313@harmony.village.org> References: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:53:09 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:22:30 -0600 To: Warner Losh From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: Things I'd like to see in 2.2.6 Cc: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 4:35 PM -0600 2/20/98, Warner Losh wrote: >I'd rather >upgrade to a new rev of xntpd rather than check them into the tree >(which is why I haven't checked them in yet...) Here's an interesting policy question. If some module requires a few patches to work properly in our OS/File structure, we typically build a "port" which consists of a Makefile and a set of patch files. Now, it the package author incorporates all of our patches, do we keep the port which now consists of simply a Makefile which primarily tells where to get the tarball? What of a "new" package which starts out without needing patches? Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 16:13:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05565 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:13:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05322 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:12:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by set.spradley.tmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA24383; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:35:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Message-Id: <199802210035.SAA24383@set.spradley.tmi.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Richard Wackerbarth cc: Warner Losh , FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Things I'd like to see in 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:22:30 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:35:19 -0600 From: Ted Spradley Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Here's an interesting policy question. > If some module requires a few patches to work properly in our > OS/File structure, we typically build a "port" which consists of > a Makefile and a set of patch files. > > Now, it the package author incorporates all of our patches, do we > keep the port which now consists of simply a Makefile which > primarily tells where to get the tarball? > > What of a "new" package which starts out without needing patches? I've wondered about this policy, too. In my experience, most of the software I use doesn't require "patches", but rather requires configuration choices (do you want this optional feature? do you want the binary in /usr/local/sbin or in /usr/local/libexec?). So, is there a policy? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 16:21:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07774 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:21:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx2.cso.uiuc.edu (mx2.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07633 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:20:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu) Received: from alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (alecto.physics.uiuc.edu [130.126.8.20]) by mx2.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10678 for <@mailhost.uiuc.edu:stable@freebsd.org>; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:19:39 -0600 (CST) Received: by alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for stable@freebsd.org id SAA05624; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:15:47 -0600 From: igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (Igor Roshchin) Message-Id: <199802210015.SAA05624@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Subject: /etc/crontab To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:15:47 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Since people are discussing what they want to see in 2.2.6, I decided to repeat my old posting since it went unnoticed (there were neither positive nor negative response to it) /etc/crontab: # do daily/weekly/monthly maintenance 0 2 * * * root /etc/daily 2>&1 | sendmail root This script will not work once a year, and twice a day on another day, at most places in the world. (that happened to me once) I think, that 0:30 or 3:15, 4:30 is safer time. THere was one more little "annoyance", but could not recall right now. IgoR To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 17:06:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16628 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:06:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb2.san.rr.com (proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16584 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by proxyb2.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04900; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:05:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34EE2851.B0940B4E@san.rr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:05:21 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE-0220 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Igor Roshchin CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/crontab References: <199802210015.SAA05624@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Igor Roshchin wrote: > > Since people are discussing what they want to see in 2.2.6, > I decided to repeat my old posting since it went unnoticed > (there were neither positive nor negative response to it) Actually there was a tremendous response to this very thread not too long ago, not sure if it was you who started it or not. To summarize, there is no time to run this where it won't conflict with someone in the world somewhere, so not changing it is the way to go. If it's a huge concern to you, I suggest you fix it locally. Good luck, Doug > /etc/crontab: > > # do daily/weekly/monthly maintenance > 0 2 * * * root /etc/daily 2>&1 | sendmail root > > This script will not work once a year, and twice a day on another day, > at most places in the world. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 17:19:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20120 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:19:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb2.san.rr.com (proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20110 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:19:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by proxyb2.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06478; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:18:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34EE2B73.BCDD3D78@san.rr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:18:43 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE-0220 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Wackerbarth CC: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Things I'd like to see in 2.2.6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > > At 2:10 PM -0600 2/20/98, Studded wrote: > > I'm not familiar with 'ntp-4.0.72'. Where did you get it? > Same site. Ah, thanks. I had assumed that they'd put the most recent version on their www page. The ntp-4.0.72 archive is the NTP protocol 4 implementation, whereas the other is protocol 3. The chief advantage of version 4 seems to be that it uses floating point math for smaller binary size and greater efficiency. The one possible disadvantage would be that they've shifted from xntpd to ntpd, so it would require a bit of shuffling in /etc/rc.conf and rc.network, basically adding an option for ntpd. They claim backwards compatability, so it's very likely that other problems could be averted by adding a symlink for xntpd that points to the new ntpd. Thank you for pointing this out, I'd say you've uncovered another good reason to update. :) > > I got xntpd > >3-5.92 from the site listed above, and based on the file structure of > >the sources in that file it appears to be the successor to what we have > >in our tree. And I didn't need to edit anything in the xntpd archive I > >installed, it just had a few minor compiler warnings, mostly related to > >discarding const info. > > Well, if you had read the instructions that came with it, they said to ignore > such warnings because they were expected (and with work, will eventually > be eliminated) but do not represent any real problems. Pardon me if I misunderstood, but I read that response as hostile. I did read the documentation, and I took pains to indicate that there were no big problems. I'm sorry if I didn't make myself sufficiently clear. I wanted anyone who took the project on to know that there were some small nits that might need to be worked out since I don't have enough programming experience to know if they matter or not, and I'd like to think that the project would prefer to ship code that compiles without warnings. Thanks for looking into this, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Feb 20 17:33:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23866 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:33:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx1.cso.uiuc.edu (mx1.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23849 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:33:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu) Received: from alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (alecto.physics.uiuc.edu [130.126.8.20]) by mx1.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA26575; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:32:41 -0600 (CST) Received: by alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id TAA07829; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:28:49 -0600 From: igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (Igor Roshchin) Message-Id: <199802210128.TAA07829@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: /etc/crontab To: Studded@san.rr.com (Studded) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:28:49 -0600 (CST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34EE2851.B0940B4E@san.rr.com> from "Studded" at Feb 20, 98 05:05:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Umm... I must have mixed that response :-/ > > Igor Roshchin wrote: > > > > Since people are discussing what they want to see in 2.2.6, > > I decided to repeat my old posting since it went unnoticed > > (there were neither positive nor negative response to it) > > Actually there was a tremendous response to this very thread not too > long ago, not sure if it was you who started it or not. To summarize, > there is no time to run this where it won't conflict with someone in the > world somewhere, so not changing it is the way to go. If it's a huge > concern to you, I suggest you fix it locally. That's what I've been doing with every system I've been setting ;) IgoR > > Good luck, > > Doug > > > /etc/crontab: > > > > # do daily/weekly/monthly maintenance > > 0 2 * * * root /etc/daily 2>&1 | sendmail root > > > > This script will not work once a year, and twice a day on another day, > > at most places in the world. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Feb 21 03:00:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA06291 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 03:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06245 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 02:59:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA15282; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:59:53 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34EE2B73.BCDD3D78@san.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:46:40 -0600 To: Studded From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: Things I'd like to see in 2.2.6 Cc: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 7:18 PM -0600 2/20/98, Studded wrote: > Pardon me if I misunderstood, but I read that response as hostile. I >did read the documentation, and I took pains to indicate that there were >no big problems. Perhaps my tone was a bit hostile. I apologize. I did not interpret your message in the same manner. To me, it indicated that I needed to take ACTIVE intervention to get it to work. I was expecting to have to add a "-lxxx" to the library flags in the Makefile, or something of similar complexity. > I'm sorry if I didn't make myself sufficiently clear. I >wanted anyone who took the project on to know that there were some small >nits that might need to be worked out since I don't have enough >programming experience to know if they matter or not, and I'd like to >think that the project would prefer to ship code that compiles without >warnings. We could add a message to "Ignore Warnings". OTOH, I suspect that the authors would be happy to accept diffs which reduce the number of warnings. Such contributions would help not only FreeBSD, but everyone else. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Feb 21 03:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09026 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 03:23:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09016; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 03:23:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA16904; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:22:52 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:22:51 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Igor Roshchin cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/crontab In-Reply-To: <199802210015.SAA05624@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > Since people are discussing what they want to see in 2.2.6, > I decided to repeat my old posting since it went unnoticed > (there were neither positive nor negative response to it) > > /etc/crontab: > > # do daily/weekly/monthly maintenance > 0 2 * * * root /etc/daily 2>&1 | sendmail root > > This script will not work once a year, and twice a day on another day, This is a bug in cron(8), not in crontab(5) or /etc/daily. There is a rumour that someone has patches to cron which will correct this; would that person please make him/herself known so the patches can be reviewed and committed. /* Daniel O'Callaghan */ /* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ /* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Feb 21 06:14:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28512 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 06:14:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sequoia.lituus.fr (dijon-58.hol.fr [195.154.37.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA28502 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 06:14:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@sequoia.lituus.fr) Received: from localhost (sequoia.lituus.fr) [127.0.0.1] by sequoia.lituus.fr with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0y6Eem-00004U-00; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:07:52 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:07:50 +0100 (CET) From: stephane@lituus.fr Reply-To: stephane@lituus.fr Subject: Re: Things I'd like to see in 2.2.6 To: Studded@san.rr.com cc: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34ED64D4.A8924329@san.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 20 Feb, Studded wrote: > > AfterStep is in version 1.4, and our 1.0 dates back to last May. The > newer version is a lot more stable and feature rich. It does however > take some hacking to get it built on FreeBSD since several of the > modules are linux-specific. They are looking for someone to help with > FreeBSD integration, so if anyone is looking for a project, this might > be a good one. I imagine that there are more ports to look at, but these > two I use so they are of more interest to me. :) > You can compile and use Afterstep 1.4 with FreeBSD except the applications which come with it. In fact, those applications are completely optional. Follow those rules : - fetch Afterstep 1.4 on ftp.afterstep.org - extract the archive - cd to the Afterstep directory - ./configure ; xmkmf; make Makefiles - Edit the top Makefile and remove all the applications ("apps/...") from the "ALLSUBDIRS" section. - make - su root -c "make install ; make install.man" - cp -R ./GNUstep ~/ - edit your ~/.xinitrc to run afterstep - go for a new exciting look :) Hope this helps. Stephane Legrand. // // Do you want a real, free OS : go to http://www.freebsd.org/ // And stop using Micro$oft softwares NOW ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Feb 21 07:50:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05158 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:50:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (fw1.enc.edu [207.95.42.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05126 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:50:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owensc@enc.edu) Received: from itsdsv2.enc.edu (itsdsv2.enc.edu [10.1.1.9]) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27786 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:46:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:46:35 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Owens To: stable list FreeBSD Subject: missing /usr/share/examples/ppi frags installworld Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Howdy... I don't know if this is old news, but... Doing 'make world' of up-to-date RELENG_2_2 src on a stock 2.2.5-RELEASE system (so this was the first time 'make world' had been run on this system)... installation fails due to this directory missing. I created it and restarted the process with 'make installworld' and it completed successfully. Is this sort of thing worth pointing out? Not a big deal, but it's not as clean as it might be and could confuse a newbie. later, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles N. Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu http://www.enc.edu/~owensc Network & Systems Administrator Information Technology Services "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's Eastern Nazarene College best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Feb 21 12:45:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14397 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:45:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14385; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:45:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA26743; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026737; Sat Feb 21 12:44:45 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id MAA01155; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:44:45 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199802212044.MAA01155@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: /etc/crontab In-Reply-To: from Daniel O'Callaghan at "Feb 21, 98 10:22:51 pm" To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au (Daniel O'Callaghan) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:44:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Daniel O'Callaghan writes: > On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > Since people are discussing what they want to see in 2.2.6, > > I decided to repeat my old posting since it went unnoticed > > (there were neither positive nor negative response to it) > > > > /etc/crontab: > > > > # do daily/weekly/monthly maintenance > > 0 2 * * * root /etc/daily 2>&1 | sendmail root > > > > This script will not work once a year, and twice a day on another day, > > This is a bug in cron(8), not in crontab(5) or /etc/daily. There is a > rumour that someone has patches to cron which will correct this; would > that person please make him/herself known so the patches can be reviewed > and committed. Whether this is a bug or not is arguable... cron(8) is doing exactly what you told it to do. Why not just change the "2" in /etc/crontab to a "3" ? -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Feb 21 14:51:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29691 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:51:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29617; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:50:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18242; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:50:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:50:11 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/crontab Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It was written that /etc/daily is run twice or not at all during DST changes. I said it was a bug in cron(8); Archie Cobbs said it wasn't. HP-UX seems to have it sorted out.... Can anyone suggest an algorithm for implementing the HP-UX cron(8) behavior? Danny ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:09:07 +1000 (EST) From: Darren Reed To: Warner Losh Cc: thompson@squirrel.tgsoft.com, hackers@freebsd.com Subject: Re: crontab nit? HP-UX man page for cron: Notes On the days of daylight savings (summer) time transition (in time zones and countries where daylight savings time applies), cron schedules commands differently than normal. In the following description, an ambiguous time refers to an hour and minute that occurs twice in the same day because of a daylight savings time transition (usually on a day during the Autumn season). A non- existent time refers to an hour and minute that does not occur because of a daylight savings time transition (usually on a day during the Spring season). DST-shift refers to the offset that is applied to standard time to result in daylight savings time. This is normally one hour, but can be any combination of hours and minutes up to 23 hours and 59 minutes (see tztab(4)). When a command is specified to run at an ambiguous time, the command is executed only once at the first occurrence of the ambiguous time. When a command is specified to run a non-existent time, the command is executed after the specified time by an amount of time equal to the DST-shift. When such an adjustment would conflict with another time specified to run the command, the command is run only once rather than running the command twice at the same time. For commands that are scheduled to run during all hours by specifying a * in the hour field of the crontab entry, the command is scheduled without any adjustment. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Feb 21 15:16:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04820 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:16:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04815 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:16:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-248.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.248]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA30407 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:16:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA18521 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:56:02 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802211456.IAA18521@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Things I'd like to see in 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Message from Richard Wackerbarth of "Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:22:30 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:56:02 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Richard Wackerbarth writes: > > Here's an interesting policy question. > > If some module requires a few patches to work properly in our > OS/File structure, we typically build a "port" which consists of > a Makefile and a set of patch files. > > Now, it the package author incorporates all of our patches, do we > keep the port which now consists of simply a Makefile which > primarily tells where to get the tarball? > > What of a "new" package which starts out without needing patches? Keep the port. Many of us use /usr/ports as our first stop when searching for something. The ability to "make install" to download, compile, and register an application in the package database is a very valuable function to me. Registering it in the package database makes it easier to remove in the future, possibly for an upgrade. When installing a new FreeBSD system one of the things I check is /var/db/pkg on my running system in order to quickly choose packages to be installed on the new system. Actually I'd like to see every file in FreeBSD registered somehow in a package-like database. This would be a good first step toward live binary upgrades of running systems. Much like I routinely do for SGI systems. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Feb 21 15:20:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05596 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:20:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from const. (fern26.verinet.com [199.45.181.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05534; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:20:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: (from allenc@localhost) by const. (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16081; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:20:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from allenc) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:20:55 -0700 (MST) From: allen campbell Message-Id: <199802212320.QAA16081@const.> To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/crontab Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It was written that /etc/daily is run twice or not at all during > DST changes. I said it was a bug in cron(8); Archie Cobbs said it > wasn't. > > HP-UX seems to have it sorted out.... ...and computers seem to expose humans as the butchers they are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Feb 21 19:23:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03720 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:23:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geo.geocast.net (geo.geocast.net [128.177.240.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03628 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:22:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from castor@geocast.net) Received: (from castor@localhost) by geo.geocast.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09638 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:22:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:22:26 -0800 (PST) From: Castor Fu Message-Id: <199802220322.TAA09638@geo.geocast.net> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ncr0 hangs with freebsd-stable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk After cvsup'ing to the latest version of FreebSD-2.2.5-STABLE today, when booting the generic kernel I cannot mount the hard disk attached to my ASUS SC-200 SCSI controller. The process executing the mount appears to simply hang. Here's what dmesg says about the scsi controller on the working kernel. ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 9 on pci0:13 ncr0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ncr0:0:0): "CONNER CFP2107E 2.14GB 1524" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access sd0(ncr0:0:0): 10.0 MB/s (100 ns, offset 8) 2048MB (4194304 512 byte sectors) I suppose it's possible that it's a cabling problem, but I can switch between the 2.2.5-stable (from about Jan 1 1998) and today's version and reliably reproduce the hang. Today (Feb 21) I cvsup'd the latest version of FreeBSD-2.2.5-STABLE and did "make buildworld" and "make installworld". Any clues about what might be wrong? -Castor Fu castor@geocast.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Feb 21 20:57:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11895 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:57:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11622; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:56:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA15434; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 23:56:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 23:56:38 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/crontab In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > It was written that /etc/daily is run twice or not at all during DST changes. > I said it was a bug in cron(8); Archie Cobbs said it wasn't. Ahhhh, the joys of living in a place that doesn't observe DST. I can just blissfully ignore these sorts of glitches. :) -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message