From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 19 08:43:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23500 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from speech1.cs.cmu.edu (SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.254.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA23495 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomokiyo@cs.cmu.edu) Received: from ASYNC6-CS1.NET.CS.CMU.EDU by speech1.cs.cmu.edu id aa27336; 19 Jul 98 11:42 EDT Message-ID: <35B213F7.41C67EA6@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:42:47 -0400 From: Takashi Tomokiyo Organization: RWCP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe freebsd-stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 19 13:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15923 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:10:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15917; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03721; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:09:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA25209; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:09:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:09:05 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: "Saad M. Waraich" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: leo@talcom.net, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: NCR 875 and tagged queing. Broken? References: <19980712103316.07090@mi.uni-koeln.de> <199807130844.NAA11954@isb.ncr.com.pk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <199807130844.NAA11954@isb.ncr.com.pk>; from Saad M. Waraich on Mon, Jul 13, 1998 at 01:44:54PM +0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-07-13 13:44 +0500, "Saad M. Waraich" wrote: > The problem is a combination of the NCR driver and the Atlas III drive. > I have an 875 based card (Tekram 390F) and a 2 gig. Atlas III drive and > I've seen this problem a lot. It is specific to certain drives. > Upgrading the drive's firmware didn't help either. Is it worth it to talk > to Quantum about this problem ? They could easily shrug it off saying > that it is a problem in the driver. Well, it is in fact a problem of the driver if it does not survive a QUEUE_FULL status. If your system runs reliable even though there are those messages "assertion failed" logged, then just wait for the CAM driver to be released. You may try the pre-release version of the CAM driver, but it is not as well tested as that for the Adaptec cards, and I'm not sure how robust it is on a highly loaded server. You may compare performance with tags enabled and without, and it depends on your work load, whether there will be that much of a difference. I have used "Bonnie" (in ports/benchmarks) to estimate the impact of running without tags. But that might not at all be a realistic test for the kind of load your system sees. Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 19 21:29:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18882 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18877 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:29:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08437 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:28:45 -0700 Message-ID: <8429.900908925.1@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Release schedule MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa" Content-Description: Blind Carbon Copy Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Original Message To: Jun Kuriyama cc: jkh@freebsd.org, committers Subject: Re: Release schedule In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:16:30 +0900." <35B2C49E.EDF92EFA@sky.rim.or.jp> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:28:45 -0700 Message-ID: <8429.900908925@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" The tree will be tagged on July 20th, 18:00 PST. I'll roll the release that night and hopefully have it up on the FTP site(s) for its scheduled release date of July 21st. Thanks for reminding me to announce this! :-) - Jordan > Could you tell me the latest release (src and ports freeze) schedule > of 2.2.7-RELEASE? > > > -- > Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp > // kuriyama@FreeBSD.ORG ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 20 08:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17533 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orion.aye.net (orion.aye.net [206.185.8.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA17526 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabtter@orion.aye.net) Received: (qmail 14032 invoked by uid 3759); 20 Jul 1998 14:29:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "B. Richardson" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Want bonnie test info. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is it possible for me as an end user to get my hands on bonnie test info/code? I want to stress test systems before they go into production. - Barrett Richardson rabtter@orion.aye.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 20 08:13:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17631 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:13:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us (portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.211.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17621 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:13:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djflow@portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us) Received: from localhost (djflow@localhost) by portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19040 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Derek Flowers To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problems installing FreeBSD-STABLE (?BETA) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a problem in that the XWindows distribution will not install. Basically, I'm trying to conserve space by performing a Custom install. This is what I'm choosing: bin compat1x compat20 compat21 des des krb dict doc info man catman ports XFree86 bin cfg doc html lib man set SVGA Server VGA16 Server fnts fcyr fscl Everything but the XFree86 is installed. Even after rebooting, sysinstall still refuses to install XFree86. Am I doing something wrong? I assume that a package needed by XFree86 is not selected and refuses to install until so selected. Sysinstall will install XFree86 if all XFree86 is selected. I have even reinstalled FreeBSD using 2.2.7-980719-BETA but the problem persists. Any help is appreciated. ---------------------------------------- Derek Flowers djflow@erols.com http://portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us/~djflow "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -Bill Gates, circa 1981 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 20 08:49:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21978 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from internationalschool.co.uk (root@[194.72.37.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21884 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@internationalschool.co.uk) Received: from internationalschool.co.uk (bamboo.tis [10.0.0.70]) by internationalschool.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14551; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:46:36 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35B3666E.B527DAAA@internationalschool.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:46:54 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: The International School X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carroll Kong CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IdentD... the horror continutes.... References: <199807180149.SAA02607@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Carroll Kong wrote: > > I ran a make world 2 days ago... I could try again... just seems a bit odd > that identd is having trouble. did you remake identd after making world? I had to do the same recently to get snmpd working after rebuilding a kernel..(presumably it needed fresh includes?) Stuart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 20 09:25:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26615 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26588 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id SAA01577; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:21:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17735; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:32:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199807201432.QAA17735@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Doug Russell Subject: Re: NCR 875 and tagged queing. Broken? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:44:35 MDT." Cc: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:32:47 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > there, but I don't think the aic driver even has provisions for tagged > queueing, does it? (Or, does the controller even support it?) I don't know about the hardware but last time I took a look at the driver (2.2.2 or 2.2.5 I think) it didn't look like it had it and that seems to be the same in 3.0 at present. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 20 18:45:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13573 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13471; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:45:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26919; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:44:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG cc: committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:44:16 -0700 Message-ID: <26916.900985456@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There are still some last minute things to do, it seems, so I'm going to move the tag time forward to 0800 PST, July 21st. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 20 21:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07238 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from markm@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07143; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markm) From: Mark Murray Message-Id: <199807210411.VAA07143@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: <26916.900985456@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jul 20, 98 06:44:16 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > There are still some last minute things to do, it seems, so I'm going > to move the tag time forward to 0800 PST, July 21st. Duly noted for the ZA sources. M To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 00:27:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29572 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29545; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:27:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (sji-ca6-85.ix.netcom.com [205.186.213.85]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29227; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id AAA21583; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807210727.AAA21583@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <26916.900985456@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry, paddock just hung when I rebooted it with a "2.2.2-RELEASE" kernel. Can you have someone reset it? :< * There are still some last minute things to do, it seems, so I'm going * to move the tag time forward to 0800 PST, July 21st. Also, please let me know exactly how much time I have until (1) The ports tree is tagged RELEASE_2_2_7 (2) The ports tree is checked out as a tarball for release (3) The packages and distfiles are needed for the CD I'll do what I can. Thanks Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 00:39:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00972 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:39:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00641; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (sji-ca6-85.ix.netcom.com [205.186.213.85]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01465; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id AAA21637; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807210736.AAA21637@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199807210727.AAA21583@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> (asami@FreeBSD.ORG) Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Sorry, paddock just hung when I rebooted it with a "2.2.2-RELEASE" * kernel. Can you have someone reset it? :< Just in case anyone is wondering, that's "2.2.7-RELEASE". (I'm not trying to travel backwards in time. ;) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 01:59:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10252 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:59:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10240; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:59:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07474; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:27:05 PDT." <199807210727.AAA21583@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:58:27 -0700 Message-ID: <7469.901011507@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Also, please let me know exactly how much time I have until > > (1) The ports tree is tagged RELEASE_2_2_7 0800 PST, July 21st. > (2) The ports tree is checked out as a tarball for release Sometime after that. :) > (3) The packages and distfiles are needed for the CD It would be nice to have them by 20:00 PST, July 21st since that's when I expect to be putting the final CD images together. Thanks! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 04:19:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29993 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:19:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com (geos01.oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com [134.32.44.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA29988; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smoergrd@oslo.sl.slb.com) Received: from sunw110.oslo.Geco-Prakla.slb.com (sunw110 [192.23.231.54]) by oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA16652 ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:17:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sunw110.oslo.Geco-Prakla.slb.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA22102; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:17:28 +0200 To: Ian Kallen Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc can't fsck References: Organization: Schlumberger Geco-Prakla X-Disclaimer: I speak only for myself. From: smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 21 Jul 1998 13:17:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: Ian Kallen's message of Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ian Kallen writes: > I migrated a machine that includes a big ass seagate drive from 2.2.5 to > 2.2.6 and it won't fsck it at boot time! I can fsck it fine manually but > check out rc croaking on fsck'ing it: This is a FAQ. The memory usage limit in the 'daemon' login class is too low to fsck large file systems. This has been fixed in newer versions of /etc/login.conf. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 04:48:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05188 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Elie.henoc.qc.ca (Elie.henoc.qc.ca [207.253.72.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05179 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@henoc.com) Received: from henoc.com (admin.henoc.qc.ca [207.253.72.8]) by Elie.henoc.qc.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01999 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:47:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Roger@henoc.com) Message-ID: <35B48011.737A4D19@henoc.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:48:33 -0400 From: Roger Savard Organization: Consultation Henoc Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cam driver included Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, Will the CAM driver be the default scsi controller? I read it is pretty stable. Thanks for all the good work to all. -- Roger.Savard@henoc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 04:58:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06592 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:58:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from assurance ([206.29.49.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06587 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by assurance (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA03580 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:57:51 -0400 Received: from sandbox.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.63) by assurance.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003576; Tue, 21 Jul 98 07:57:42 -0400 Received: from jabberwock.rstcorp.com (jabberwock [206.29.49.98]) by sandbox.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05956 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vshah@localhost) by jabberwock.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05273; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807211156.HAA05273@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> From: "Viren R. Shah" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: reading Joliet CDs on -stable? X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anyone know if there are patches available to enable reading of Joliet CDs on -stable? Someone has patches for -current (PR kern/5038) Viren -- Viren R. Shah, {viren @ rstcorp .com} "I don't want power. I just object to idiots having power over me." -- Cordelia Naismith in _Barrayar_ by Lois McMaster Bujold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 05:22:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09297 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09277; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (localhost.rwwa.com [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA01557; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:26:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from witr@spooky.rwwa.com) Message-Id: <199807211226.IAA01557@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CTM: Full delta needed after 2.2.7 tagging. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:26:55 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Could the maintainers of the CTM system please make a full release-delta when FreeBSD is tagged for 2.2.7 (comming soon to a CVS repository near you!). This seems to have fallen into the cracks for 2.2.6. [Actually, I guess I mean, make the delta from whatever goes onto the CD. I don't know for sure if that is the result of the "first" tagging or not. Jordan?] Thanks! (I posted to hackers *and* stable, Cuz I don't know for sure if the CTM maintainers read stable. Sue me. ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA, witr@rwwa.COM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 06:04:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15398 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:04:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mb05.swip.net (mb05.swip.net [193.12.122.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15393 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mg24174@gaia.swipnet.se) Received: from nic.swipnet.se (dialup159-2-53.swipnet.se [130.244.159.117]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23772 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:04:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35B49065.46A27A21@gaia.swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:58:13 +0200 From: joppe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG susbscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 06:06:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15691 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (root@alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15671 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07679; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:05:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Roger Savard cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Cam driver included In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:48:33 EDT." <35B48011.737A4D19@henoc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:05:36 -0400 Message-ID: <7675.901026336@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Roger Savard wrote in message ID <35B48011.737A4D19@henoc.com>: > Hi all, > > Will the CAM driver be the default scsi controller? Nope. It is still lacking several device drivers. You'll know when CAM becomes the default 'cos it'll be checked into the CVS tree. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 06:52:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22138 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:52:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22125 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08638; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:51:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Roger Savard cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cam driver included In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:48:33 EDT." <35B48011.737A4D19@henoc.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:51:28 -0700 Message-ID: <8634.901029088@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Will the CAM driver be the default scsi controller? Nope, it's still not ready for this and not even in -current yet. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 06:54:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22376 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22358; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:54:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08652; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Robert Withrow cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CTM: Full delta needed after 2.2.7 tagging. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:26:55 EDT." <199807211226.IAA01557@spooky.rwwa.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:52:08 -0700 Message-ID: <8649.901029128@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > [Actually, I guess I mean, make the delta from whatever goes > onto the CD. I don't know for sure if that is the result > of the "first" tagging or not. Jordan?] It is whatever's tagged as RELENG_2_2_7_RELEASE, yes. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 08:06:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08070 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from user1.channel1.com (root@user1.channel1.com [199.1.13.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08059 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:06:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin@channel1.com) Received: from ntadmin (ntadmin.channel1.com [204.96.33.24]) by user1.channel1.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08517 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980721110532.03711810@pop.channel1.com> X-Sender: deepblue@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:05:32 -0400 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mail Handler Subject: make world failure Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After our regular weekly cvsup on a machine that has been tracking stable since 2.2.5: cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libmp/../../../contrib/libgmp -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libmp/../../../contrib/libgmp/mpn/genero /usr/src/gnu/lib/libmp/../../../contrib/libgmp/mpn/mp_bases.c:189: parse error before `}' *** Error code 1 Re-cvsup'd three times, made clean in /usr/src/gnu/lib/libmp/, same error, same place. Any suggestions? Two other machines here had no problems with the same cvsup. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 08:12:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09041 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08997; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00282; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807211511.IAA00282@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:27:05 PDT." <199807210727.AAA21583@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:11:17 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Sorry, paddock just hung when I rebooted it with a "2.2.2-RELEASE" > kernel. Can you have someone reset it? :< Any feedback on the cause of these hangs? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 08:31:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11424 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11375; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:31:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (sji-ca6-85.ix.netcom.com [205.186.213.85]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02017; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id IAA23030; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807211530.IAA23030@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: mike@smith.net.au CC: jkh@time.cdrom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199807211511.IAA00282@dingo.cdrom.com> (message from Mike Smith on Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:11:17 -0700) Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Any feedback on the cause of these hangs? No idea. By the way, the one yesterday was during a parallel compile (my modem got disconnected at about the same time, but I don't think it's related). Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 08:50:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13936 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:50:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13816; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09094; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:48:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Mike Smith cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami), stable@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:11:17 PDT." <199807211511.IAA00282@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:48:46 -0700 Message-ID: <9090.901036126@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh, BTW, freefall is taking NMI's now. No idea why except that it's a fairly hot box (or was yesterday). It NMI'd while I was sitting at the console yesterday and I simply continued it out of the debugger again and then compiled a kernel with POWERFAIL_NMI so it wouldn't do it again. - Jordan > > Sorry, paddock just hung when I rebooted it with a "2.2.2-RELEASE" > > kernel. Can you have someone reset it? :< > > Any feedback on the cause of these hangs? > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 11:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08296 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from haktar.siol.net (haktar.siol.net [193.189.160.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08287 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomaz.borstnar@over.net) Received: from hang ([193.189.182.164]) by haktar.siol.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id AAA7624 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:14:34 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980721201422.0388a540@haktar.siol.net> X-Sender: NA X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:14:22 +0200 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tomaz Borstnar Subject: not just stable related - Re: FreeBSD version of Webinator Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! Maybe you don't know webinator - it is spider and search engine from Thuderstone - www.thunderstone.com. Version for less than 10 000 documents is free, but at the moment they don't support FreeBSD natively - maybe somebody should contact them and ask what kind of problem do they have with FreeBSD? Tomaz ---------------- >Subject: Re: FreeBSD version of Webinator >To: tomaz.borstnar@over.net (Tomaz Borstnar) >Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:41:56 -0400 (EDT) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] >From: Thunderstone Technical Support > >> Do you know when will FreeBSD version of Webinator be avaliable? > >FreeBSD turned out to be a bigger project that it should be because of >numerous oddities and imcompatibilities in their development environment. >We'll try it again with the next release of webinator in a month or 2. > ---- Tomaz Borstnar "Love is the answer to the final question you ask" - Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 11:22:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09682 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orion.aye.net (orion.aye.net [206.185.8.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09581 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabtter@orion.aye.net) Received: (qmail 26499 invoked by uid 3759); 21 Jul 1998 18:23:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:23:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "B. Richardson" Reply-To: "B. Richardson" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Timed out while idle :-( Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Started out with 2.2.5 and an adaptec 2940 and two (unterminated) Seagate drives and everything was fine. Added a 3940, a Quantum drive, installed 2.2-19980629-RELEASE and cam drivers on 6/29. The message below appeared. The quantum was terminated, the seagates were not, so I terminated the seagates (at this point all three drives were terminated via a termination block that was on an adapter that the hotswappable drives plugged into). The ugly message came back, but not as quickly. After some juggling, I discovered that the seagates were not happy being terminated with the termination block on the hot swap adapters. I got some active terminators and terminated a single seagate with it. Then the problem would alway appear on places other than that drive so I thought it was fixed. As a final test, I ran bonnie on with the two seagates only in the machine, each on a separate channel, and each terminated with an active terminator. The ugly message returned. Been struggling with it since 6/29 and about to scrap the idea. This was to be a squid box (performs really well until filesystems freeze) and this project is at the do or die phase. My client is going back into the loop of proprietary hardware/software if I can't make it fly. If I can make it fly, they want to build several large scale systems. Any ideas are welcome. Reinstalling from scratch is an option. Jul 20 18:28:31 rabtter /kernel: (da2:ahc2:0:1:0): SCB 0x4 - timed out while idle e, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SCSISIGI == 0x0 Jul 20 18:28:31 rabtter /kernel: SEQADDR == 0x8 Jul 20 18:28:31 rabtter /kernel: SSTAT1 == 0xa Jul 20 18:28:31 rabtter /kernel: (da2:ahc2:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB Jul 20 18:28:31 rabtter /kernel: (da2:ahc2:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent Jul 20 18:28:31 rabtter /kernel: (da2:ahc2:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status -- Barrett Richardson rabtter@aye.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 11:51:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14657 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateman.zeus.leitch.com (gateman.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14620 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:51:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from woods@mail.zeus.leitch.com) Received: from zeus.leitch.com (tap.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.10]) by gateman.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id OAA02971 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brain.zeus.leitch.com (brain.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.32]) by zeus.leitch.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id OAA08157 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from woods@localhost) by brain.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04259; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:52:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from woods@mail.zeus.leitch.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807211852.OAA04259@brain.zeus.leitch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: woods@zeus.leitch.com (Greg A. Woods) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: Satoshi Asami's message of "Tue, July 21, 1998 08:30:41 -0700" regarding "Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours." id <199807211530.IAA23030@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> References: <199807211511.IAA00282@dingo.cdrom.com> <199807211530.IAA23030@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: VM 6.45 under Emacs 20.2.1 Reply-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Tue, July 21, 1998 at 08:30:41 (-0700), Satoshi Asami wrote: ] > Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. > > * Any feedback on the cause of these hangs? > > No idea. By the way, the one yesterday was during a parallel compile > (my modem got disconnected at about the same time, but I don't think > it's related). I had my 2.2-stable system (cvsup'ed July 9) go wonky this morning with something that was quite freaky: Jul 21 11:17:02 brain /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 28251 failure Jul 21 11:17:33 brain last message repeated 33859 times Jul 21 11:18:42 brain last message repeated 85337 times Jul 21 11:19:13 brain last message repeated 37131 times Jul 21 11:19:39 brain last message repeated 31988 times Jul 21 11:20:09 brain last message repeated 36535 times Jul 21 11:20:14 brain last message repeated 6173 times That process was my window manager. By the time of the last entry above I had managed to switch to the real console and kill it. Then another process started complaining similarly. Finally I killed them all off and decided to reboot the system and give it a power cycle. It's been running fine since. Unfortunately I do not (yet) have ECC memory in this box, so perhaps it was a hardware failure, but I'm beginning to suspect that something nasty has been tickled in the kernel since the March 31 cvsup which I was running up until the day before yesterday. BTW, does anyone have a *bad* ECC DIMM? I'd love to do some testing.... -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 12:09:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19006 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18924 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yyhm3-0002nn-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:08:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:08:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: "B. Richardson" cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Timed out while idle :-( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, B. Richardson wrote: > Started out with 2.2.5 and an adaptec 2940 and two (unterminated) > Seagate drives and everything was fine. Added a 3940, a Quantum > drive, installed 2.2-19980629-RELEASE and cam drivers on 6/29. > The message below appeared. The quantum was terminated, the seagates > were not, so I terminated the seagates (at this point all three drives > were terminated via a termination block that was on an adapter that > the hotswappable drives plugged into). The ugly message came back, You can't just terminate at whim. The last drive in a SCSI chain must be terminated. No more, no less. Terminating all drives is very bad. > but not as quickly. After some juggling, I discovered that the > seagates were not happy being terminated with the termination block > on the hot swap adapters. I got some active terminators and terminated > a single seagate with it. Then the problem would alway appear on > places other than that drive so I thought it was fixed. As a final > test, I ran bonnie on with the two seagates only in the machine, each > on a separate channel, and each terminated with an active terminator. > The ugly message returned. Been struggling with it since 6/29 and > about to scrap the idea. This was to be a squid box (performs really > well until filesystems freeze) and this project is at the do or die > phase. My client is going back into the loop of proprietary > hardware/software if I can't make it fly. If I can make it fly, they > want to build several large scale systems. I've always found Seagate drives to be stable with the Adaptec driver (I only use Barracuda 4XL or 4LP). Quantum drives are another story. I would try an NCR 875 based card. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 12:38:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23503 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:38:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orion.aye.net (orion.aye.net [206.185.8.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA23485 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:38:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabtter@orion.aye.net) Received: (qmail 29946 invoked by uid 3759); 21 Jul 1998 19:39:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "B. Richardson" To: Tom cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Timed out while idle :-( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have only one drive per channel at the moment (still just testing), therefore each drive should be terminated. A lot of folks seem to be using the CAM drivers on adaptecs with good success, just not me. Brands that use the NCR 875 chipset? - Barrett Richardson rabtter@orion.aye.net On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Tom wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, B. Richardson wrote: > > > Started out with 2.2.5 and an adaptec 2940 and two (unterminated) > > Seagate drives and everything was fine. Added a 3940, a Quantum > > drive, installed 2.2-19980629-RELEASE and cam drivers on 6/29. > > The message below appeared. The quantum was terminated, the seagates > > were not, so I terminated the seagates (at this point all three drives > > were terminated via a termination block that was on an adapter that > > the hotswappable drives plugged into). The ugly message came back, > > You can't just terminate at whim. The last drive in a SCSI chain must > be terminated. No more, no less. Terminating all drives is very bad. > > > but not as quickly. After some juggling, I discovered that the > > seagates were not happy being terminated with the termination block > > on the hot swap adapters. I got some active terminators and terminated > > a single seagate with it. Then the problem would alway appear on > > places other than that drive so I thought it was fixed. As a final > > test, I ran bonnie on with the two seagates only in the machine, each > > on a separate channel, and each terminated with an active terminator. > > The ugly message returned. Been struggling with it since 6/29 and > > about to scrap the idea. This was to be a squid box (performs really > > well until filesystems freeze) and this project is at the do or die > > phase. My client is going back into the loop of proprietary > > hardware/software if I can't make it fly. If I can make it fly, they > > want to build several large scale systems. > > I've always found Seagate drives to be stable with the Adaptec driver (I > only use Barracuda 4XL or 4LP). Quantum drives are another story. > > I would try an NCR 875 based card. > > Tom > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 14:42:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22201 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22160 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02118; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807212141.OAA02118@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tomaz Borstnar cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, help@thunderstone.com Subject: Re: not just stable related - Re: FreeBSD version of Webinator In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:14:22 +0200." <3.0.5.32.19980721201422.0388a540@haktar.siol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:41:04 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It would be quite helpful if we could see some feedback with regard to the "numerous oddities and incompatibilities" that were encountered. We're always interested in knowing where we fall short of peoples' expectations, and it's frustrating to hear claims like this without being able to offer either help or fixes for the observed problems. > Hello! > > Maybe you don't know webinator - it is spider and search engine from > Thuderstone - www.thunderstone.com. Version for less than 10 000 documents is > free, but at the moment they don't support FreeBSD natively - maybe > somebody should contact them and ask what kind of problem do they have with > FreeBSD? > > Tomaz > > > ---------------- > >Subject: Re: FreeBSD version of Webinator > >To: tomaz.borstnar@over.net (Tomaz Borstnar) > >Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:41:56 -0400 (EDT) > >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] > >From: Thunderstone Technical Support > > > >> Do you know when will FreeBSD version of Webinator be avaliable? > > > >FreeBSD turned out to be a bigger project that it should be because of > >numerous oddities and imcompatibilities in their development environment. > >We'll try it again with the next release of webinator in a month or 2. > > > ---- > Tomaz Borstnar > "Love is the answer to the final question you ask" - Unknown > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 17:44:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25055 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25013 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:43:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22499 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807220042.RAA22499@implode.root.com> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:52:13 EDT." <199807211852.OAA04259@brain.zeus.leitch.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:42:36 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >[ On Tue, July 21, 1998 at 08:30:41 (-0700), Satoshi Asami wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. >> >> * Any feedback on the cause of these hangs? >> >> No idea. By the way, the one yesterday was during a parallel compile >> (my modem got disconnected at about the same time, but I don't think >> it's related). > >I had my 2.2-stable system (cvsup'ed July 9) go wonky this morning with >something that was quite freaky: > >Jul 21 11:17:02 brain /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 28251 failure >Jul 21 11:17:33 brain last message repeated 33859 times >Jul 21 11:18:42 brain last message repeated 85337 times >Jul 21 11:19:13 brain last message repeated 37131 times >Jul 21 11:19:39 brain last message repeated 31988 times >Jul 21 11:20:09 brain last message repeated 36535 times >Jul 21 11:20:14 brain last message repeated 6173 times > >That process was my window manager. By the time of the last entry above >I had managed to switch to the real console and kill it. Then another >process started complaining similarly. Finally I killed them all off >and decided to reboot the system and give it a power cycle. It's been >running fine since. > >Unfortunately I do not (yet) have ECC memory in this box, so perhaps it >was a hardware failure, but I'm beginning to suspect that something >nasty has been tickled in the kernel since the March 31 cvsup which I >was running up until the day before yesterday. > >BTW, does anyone have a *bad* ECC DIMM? I'd love to do some testing.... The above error indicates that for whatever reason, the system couldn't page in the data it needed for a page fault. This type of error most often occurs when running a binary over NFS and having the file or the NFS server go away. It can also happen if the disk drive that it was on stops responding or has a bad block, etc. In no case does it indicate a problem with your memory, however. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 21:11:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27720 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:11:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ccvp.com ([207.66.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27715 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@usamd.com) Received: from usamd.com ([207.66.33.213]) by ccvp.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA07773 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:12:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35B56978.2932F738@usamd.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:24:24 -0600 From: Robert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe freebsd-stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable -- Take a look at our price list ftp://207.66.33.212/pub/readme/ Robert Clark USA Microdynamics PO Box 13569 Albuquerque, NM 87192-3569 Phone (505) 275-0188 Fax (505) 275-8708 www.usamd.com robert@usamd.com Adobe PDF reader v3.0 for reading pdf files (quotes & price list via email) ftp://207.66.33.212/pub/shareware/adobe/ Quicktime v3.0 movie player for playing mov files ftp://207.66.33.212/pub/shareware/qicktime30/ XingMGEG v3.2 mpeg player for playing mpg files ftp://207.66.33.212/pub/shareware/mpgplayer/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 21:51:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02288 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:51:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02272; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21809; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:51:14 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:51:14 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199807220451.OAA21809@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. Cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Oh, BTW, freefall is taking NMI's now. No idea why except that it's a >fairly hot box (or was yesterday). It NMI'd while I was sitting at >the console yesterday and I simply continued it out of the debugger >again and then compiled a kernel with POWERFAIL_NMI so it wouldn't do >it again. Gack. FreeBSD mishandles NMIs (the NMI gate isn't an interrupt gate...). This normally doesn't cause any more problems than the correct response to an NMI (panic), but POWERFAIL_NMI prevents the correct response. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 22:25:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07295 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:25:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07287; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11823; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Bruce Evans cc: mike@smith.net.au, asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:51:14 +1000." <199807220451.OAA21809@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:24:11 -0700 Message-ID: <11820.901085051@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If the "correct response" is "panic and make jkh drive out at 3am" then we have very very differing definitions of "correct." :-) Since I can't fix it, the best I can do is keep it from making my life more difficult. - Jordan > >Oh, BTW, freefall is taking NMI's now. No idea why except that it's a > >fairly hot box (or was yesterday). It NMI'd while I was sitting at > >the console yesterday and I simply continued it out of the debugger > >again and then compiled a kernel with POWERFAIL_NMI so it wouldn't do > >it again. > > Gack. FreeBSD mishandles NMIs (the NMI gate isn't an interrupt gate...). > This normally doesn't cause any more problems than the correct response > to an NMI (panic), but POWERFAIL_NMI prevents the correct response. > > Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 22:41:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09499 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09485; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA25672; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:41:07 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:41:07 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199807220541.PAA25672@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. Cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >If the "correct response" is "panic and make jkh drive out at 3am" >then we have very very differing definitions of "correct." :-) > >Since I can't fix it, the best I can do is keep it from making my >life more difficult. Since you can't fix it, don't make it worse by using a misimplemented option for notebooks. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 21 23:38:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19922 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:38:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19912; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12233; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:37:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Bruce Evans cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:41:07 +1000." <199807220541.PAA25672@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:37:01 -0700 Message-ID: <12229.901089421@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You still don't seem to understand. "Worse" is freefall crashing and denying service for a problem which is still unknown but seems fairly non-fatal (at least unless it panics the system). Unless you have an actual fix for this problem, and I don't see it attached to your message anywhere, this is _exactly_ the right thing to do. Having freefall drop into the debugger 2 or 3 times a day is not a solution. Since you can't fix it, don't make it worse by making stupid suggestions. :-) - Jordan > >If the "correct response" is "panic and make jkh drive out at 3am" > >then we have very very differing definitions of "correct." :-) > > > >Since I can't fix it, the best I can do is keep it from making my > >life more difficult. > > Since you can't fix it, don't make it worse by using a misimplemented > option for notebooks. > > Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 00:28:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28181 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:28:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28125; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fsmp@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost.StevesCafe.com [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA11941; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807220727.BAA11941@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Steve Passe To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Bruce Evans , mike@smith.net.au, asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:24:11 PDT." <11820.901085051@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:27:21 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > > > >Oh, BTW, freefall is taking NMI's now. No idea why except that it's a > > >fairly hot box (or was yesterday). It NMI'd while I was sitting at > > >the console yesterday and I simply continued it out of the debugger > > >again and then compiled a kernel with POWERFAIL_NMI so it wouldn't do > > >it again. > > > > Gack. FreeBSD mishandles NMIs (the NMI gate isn't an interrupt gate...). > > This normally doesn't cause any more problems than the correct response > > to an NMI (panic), but POWERFAIL_NMI prevents the correct response. Just my observation on NMIs in general, FreeBSD doesn't re-cock the PII chip correctly to take a subsequent NMI. I am using custom ISA hardware that generates an NMI to give us 'pseudo-realtime' response. To get it to work I had to add code to the NMI ISR to recock the PII chip to handle repeated NMIs. This is in the context of 2.2.6... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 00:44:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00734 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:44:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00674; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA01607; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:43:43 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:43:43 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199807220743.RAA01607@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. Cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >You still don't seem to understand. "Worse" is freefall crashing and >denying service for a problem which is still unknown but seems fairly >non-fatal (at least unless it panics the system). Unless you have an >actual fix for this problem, and I don't see it attached to your >message anywhere, this is _exactly_ the right thing to do. Having >freefall drop into the debugger 2 or 3 times a day is not a solution. Having freefall drop into the debugger is another misconfiguration. DDB shouldn't be used except on machines that will be attended for 24 hours/day or where downtime doesn't matter. NMIs in combination with DDB are more broken than I remembered. When DDB is configured, NMIs are interpreted as being from the "NMI pushbutton for debugging" and are not handled normally. >Since you can't fix it, don't make it worse by making stupid >suggestions. :-) I can only fix the software problems :-). Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 00:50:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01752 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:50:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01736; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA21501; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA17271; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:47:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:47:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199807220747.BAA17271@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Bruce Evans , asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: <12229.901089421@time.cdrom.com> References: <199807220541.PAA25672@godzilla.zeta.org.au> <12229.901089421@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ Bringing the Cc list down to size ] > You still don't seem to understand. "Worse" is freefall crashing and > denying service for a problem which is still unknown but seems fairly > non-fatal (at least unless it panics the system). Just because it continues on doesn't mean it's 'non-fatal'. The original FreeBSD box was my 486/33, and it suffered these 'non-fatal' NMI's as well. Unfortunately, I found out much too late that I was corrupting memory, disk, *AND* my backups. Mine was due to bad cache that I replaced ~1.5 years in after my system became so unstable as to be unusable. Almost every file on that box that was older than 24 hours would become corrupted, and cause panic's on a regular (2-3 times/day) basis. After this, I decided to fix the problem rather than bandaid it. The NMI's on the laptop (which NMI_POWERFAIL is all about) is a completely different animal. It's a function of a *really* old BIOS that exists on one machine, and that's PHK's. No other piece of hardware exhibits this problem, and that's where it generates an NMI if you resume from suspended mode. The 'fix' you put in place can potentially corrupt the CVS repository and cause even more instability on freefall than already exists. By panic'ing you are (hopefully) limiting the damage that can be done instead of allowing it to continue. (And yes, for the most part the system will continue. For months even, but the machine and all data on it will eventually become useless.) > Since you can't fix it, don't make it worse by making stupid > suggestions. :-) Since you aren't willing to fix it, don't make it worse by implementing wrong solutions. :) Been there, done that, would hate to see the CVS tree spammed world-wide by hardware problems on the master repository. If it continues, I certainly hope the Repository on the upcoming CDROM is ok.... Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 01:29:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09310 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09225; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:29:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA12824; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Nate Williams cc: Bruce Evans , asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:47:16 MDT." <199807220747.BAA17271@mt.sri.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:27:55 -0700 Message-ID: <12820.901096075@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Send me a new box then. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 02:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20039 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:21:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA19998 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:21:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 22 Jul 98 10:20:55 +0100 (BST) To: dg@root.com cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:42:36 PDT." <199807220042.RAA22499@implode.root.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:20:38 +0100 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9807221020.aa03082@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Jul 21 11:17:02 brain /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) erro > > This type of error most often > occurs when running a binary over NFS and having the file or the NFS server > go away. It can also happen if the disk drive that it was on stops responding > or has a bad block Is there a possibility that the message could be changed to say (probably NFS/hardware) error? I've never seen it occur as a hardware error once, and it is the sort of message that scares the willies out of people. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 02:26:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20487 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20434 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:25:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27844; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807220923.CAA27844@implode.root.com> To: David Malone cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:20:38 BST." <9807221020.aa03082@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:23:56 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> >Jul 21 11:17:02 brain /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) erro >> >> This type of error most often >> occurs when running a binary over NFS and having the file or the NFS server >> go away. It can also happen if the disk drive that it was on stops responding >> or has a bad block > >Is there a possibility that the message could be changed to say >(probably NFS/hardware) error? I've never seen it occur as a hardware >error once, and it is the sort of message that scares the willies out >of people. ...better to just drop the "(probably hardware)" entirely. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 02:30:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21159 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA21082 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 22 Jul 98 10:29:47 +0100 (BST) To: dg@root.com cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:23:56 PDT." <199807220923.CAA27844@implode.root.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:29:30 +0100 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9807221029.aa04568@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> >Jul 21 11:17:02 brain /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) e > > ...better to just drop the "(probably hardware)" entirely. Sounds fine to me. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 03:29:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00551 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA00546 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 22 Jul 98 11:29:15 +0100 (BST) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CTM deltas after src-2.2.0791.gz Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:28:58 +0100 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9807221129.aa13497@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG No deltas have appeared in: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CTM/src-2.2 for about 2 weeks - has this service been withdrawn/moved? (I tried searching the mailing list archive for freebsd-stable for recent mention of this - which I thought I had seen, but couldn't turn anything up). David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 03:43:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02596 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:43:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02582 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA13842; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:43:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA22644; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:43:01 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:43:01 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199807221043.MAA22644@surf.IAE.nl> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: <12820.901096075@time.cdrom.com> References: <199807220747.BAA17271@mt.sri.com> Organization: Internet Access Eindhoven, the Netherlands Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <12820.901096075@time.cdrom.com> you write: >Send me a new box then. > Tell me what specification, and I'll have one flown in. --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 07:12:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04967 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:12:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04954 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:12:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14020; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:11:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Willem Jan Withagen cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:43:01 +0200." <199807221043.MAA22644@surf.IAE.nl> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:11:21 -0700 Message-ID: <14016.901116681@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On the off-chance that you're serious, the configuration of freefall is at: http://www.freebsd.org/machines.html I doubt that the disks or controllers are bad, and if I had to swap out the pieces I felt most likely to be causing the problems I'd probably do just the motherboard, CPU and memory (getting a newer, faster PII to replace the PPro which is there now) and migrate the other components over. Of course, freefall is also something of a critical resource and so taking it down for this kind of extended period is always a really nasty prospect, plus there are a number of aged drives in there which could probably stand an upgrade themselves. So, I guess if I were faced with a _really_ generous donor, I'd go for a complete new system with some of the newer high-capacity SCSI WIDE drives in there to minimize heat which, for freefall, is considerable (and plans better to air-condition the machine room are stalled pending the owner of Walnut Creek CDROM's actually buying the right equipment). Then I'd migrate services over more slowly rather than just abruptly turning the old box off, moving all the old drives over and hoping for the best. That's what I'd do if I had a really generous donor, yes. ;-) - Jordan > In article <12820.901096075@time.cdrom.com> you write: > >Send me a new box then. > > > > Tell me what specification, and I'll have one flown in. > > --WjW > > > -- > Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 6 06 > P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands > Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. > Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 07:26:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08101 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08023 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA22151 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:25:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA16348 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:25:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199807221425.QAA16348@surf.IAE.nl> Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: <14016.901116681@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jul 22, 98 07:11:21 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:24:45 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: wjw@IAEhv.nl X-NCC-RegID: nl.iae X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You ( Jordan K. Hubbard ) write: => On the off-chance that you're serious, the configuration of freefall => is at: http://www.freebsd.org/machines.html There's no OFF chance. I'm already begging for a long to be allowed to donate to FreeBSD. Tell me what it needs and what the US costs are. I'll look up what it would cost here in Holland. (This because last time, we decided to fly 2 machines from Holland to the US with FedEX at $150 a piece) => I doubt that the disks or controllers are bad, and if I had to swap => out the pieces I felt most likely to be causing the problems I'd => probably do just the motherboard, CPU and memory (getting a newer, => faster PII to replace the PPro which is there now) and migrate the => other components over. Of course, freefall is also something of a => critical resource and so taking it down for this kind of extended => period is always a really nasty prospect, plus there are a number of => aged drives in there which could probably stand an upgrade themselves. => So, I guess if I were faced with a _really_ generous donor, I'd go for => a complete new system with some of the newer high-capacity SCSI WIDE => drives in there to minimize heat which, for freefall, is considerable => (and plans better to air-condition the machine room are stalled => pending the owner of Walnut Creek CDROM's actually buying the right => equipment). Then I'd migrate services over more slowly rather than => just abruptly turning the old box off, moving all the old drives over => and hoping for the best. That's what I'd do if I had a really => generous donor, yes. ;-) Let's start with what you need. and indicate what you'd minimally/really need. The last we WILL donate, about the others we can argue. The choice is yours. --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 07:57:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15391 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:57:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15379 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA03794; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:57:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA21269; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:57:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199807221457.QAA21269@surf.IAE.nl> Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: <14187.901118807@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jul 22, 98 07:46:47 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:57:03 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: wjw@IAEhv.nl X-NCC-RegID: nl.iae X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You ( Jordan K. Hubbard ) write: => > There's no OFF chance. I'm already begging for a long to be allowed to => > donate to FreeBSD. => > => > Tell me what it needs and what the US costs are. => > I'll look up what it would cost here in Holland. (This because last time, => > we decided to fly 2 machines from Holland to the US with FedEX at $150 => > a piece) I just looked it up in my jkh archive. The first date of wanting to donate was june 14th, 1997. => Well, going by general prices here, I'd say that a minimum config, => essentially no more than what's necessary to do the job that freefall => does, would look something like: => => ASUS Motherboard: $250 => PII-400 processor: $750 => Memory (256MB PC100): $300 => ATX tower case: $150 => Usual fans/floppy/etc: $100 [all misc remaining parts] => => Total: $1550 SCSI Controller on the motherboard? => If I were going for broke, I'd also add: => => 2 Quantum Atlas II 9gb drives: $520 each, $1040 total. We're not going to go broke on this one. Just get the lot, and figure out a way to get met a bill with $2600 on it, so I can make our accountant happy. We've spent already ~$1700 on what is going to be a dedicated nl.freebsd.org Which has only 1 4Gb disk and a measily 233MMX/32Mb, but it'll do for a while. --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 08:02:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16302 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:02:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16287 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:02:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14291; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: wjw@IAEhv.nl cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:57:03 +0200." <199807221457.QAA21269@surf.IAE.nl> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:01:27 -0700 Message-ID: <14287.901119687@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > => Well, going by general prices here, I'd say that a minimum config, > => essentially no more than what's necessary to do the job that freefall > => does, would look something like: > => > => ASUS Motherboard: $250 > => PII-400 processor: $750 > => Memory (256MB PC100): $300 > => ATX tower case: $150 > => Usual fans/floppy/etc: $100 [all misc remaining parts] > => > => Total: $1550 > > SCSI Controller on the motherboard? Yep, the new ASUS mobos have this now. > => If I were going for broke, I'd also add: > => > => 2 Quantum Atlas II 9gb drives: $520 each, $1040 total. > > We're not going to go broke on this one. > Just get the lot, and figure out a way to get met a bill with $2600 on it, > so I can make our accountant happy. Uh, OK, sure! Don't have to tell me twice. :) Can you send me all the relevant address details? Also, weren't you the one who wanted to donate by credit card? I think we could simply debit your card directly from here, if you'd prefer to do it that way. > We've spent already ~$1700 on what is going to be a dedicated > > nl.freebsd.org > > Which has only 1 4Gb disk and a measily 233MMX/32Mb, but it'll do for a while Probably yes. Freefall has been more disk I/O bound, especially on the drive containing the CVS repository, and has 4 drives which also generate way too much heat for the kind of case it currently has. Going to a pair of fast 9-giggers should mitigate that somewhat since its load was never very well balanced across the 4 drives anyway. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 08:09:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17319 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:09:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17312 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:09:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08010; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:08:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA22897; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:08:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199807221508.RAA22897@surf.IAE.nl> Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: <14287.901119687@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jul 22, 98 08:01:27 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:08:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: wjw@IAEhv.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: wjw@IAEhv.nl X-NCC-RegID: nl.iae X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You ( Jordan K. Hubbard ) write: => Yep, the new ASUS mobos have this now. We're sort of looking into it, but got once bitten my a board that didn't do 256Mb in the early days for our newsserver. => Uh, OK, sure! Don't have to tell me twice. :) Can you send me all => the relevant address details? Also, weren't you the one who wanted to => donate by credit card? I think we could simply debit your card => directly from here, if you'd prefer to do it that way. Your memory serves you right: Company creditcard info is already at Wallnut Creek for our CDrom subscription. If you can't find those, mail me in private, and I'll get you updated. => > We've spent already ~$1700 on what is going to be a dedicated => > => > nl.freebsd.org => > => > Which has only 1 4Gb disk and a measily 233MMX/32Mb, but it'll do for a while => => Probably yes. Freefall has been more disk I/O bound, especially on => the drive containing the CVS repository, and has 4 drives which also => generate way too much heat for the kind of case it currently has. => Going to a pair of fast 9-giggers should mitigate that somewhat since => its load was never very well balanced across the 4 drives anyway. You might consider seperate casing for the drives with extra fans?? But then I'm still trying to get ride of my own SCSI trouble. --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 10:09:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11509 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:09:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (root@host-209-214-83-162.ath.bellsouth.net [209.214.83.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11471; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:09:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA27931; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:08:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: Steve Passe cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Bruce Evans , mike@smith.net.au, asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: <199807220727.BAA11941@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, [blah, blah, blah, NMI, blah blah blah] > Just my observation on NMIs in general, FreeBSD doesn't re-cock > the PII chip correctly to take a subsequent NMI. I am using > custom ISA hardware that generates an NMI to give us 'pseudo-realtime' > response. To get it to work I had to add code to the NMI ISR to > recock the PII chip to handle repeated NMIs. This is in the context > of 2.2.6... I'd be interested in hearing about what realtime stuff you're doing...Jordan and I were discussing setting up a realtime mailing list and possibly a few projects based on it, but he didn't think there would be a lot of interest, nor that we're anywhere near being able to mess with it at this time. Anyone who has interest in it please reply either to this message, or directly to me...I think a few good things could come out of this :) -Jon > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 10:10:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11840 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (root@host-209-214-83-162.ath.bellsouth.net [209.214.83.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11778 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA27964; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:11:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:11:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: Willem Jan Withagen cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: <199807221043.MAA22644@surf.IAE.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG if you're serious, we love you. -Jon On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Willem Jan Withagen wrote: > In article <12820.901096075@time.cdrom.com> you write: > >Send me a new box then. > > > > Tell me what specification, and I'll have one flown in. > > --WjW > > > -- > Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 > P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands > Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. > Call now, and login as 'new'. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 10:15:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12650 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:15:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (root@host-209-214-83-162.ath.bellsouth.net [209.214.83.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12604 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA27991; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:16:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:16:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: wjw@IAEhv.nl cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: <199807221508.RAA22897@surf.IAE.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Willem Jan Withagen wrote: [yadda yadda we love you Willem, yadda] > You might consider seperate casing for the drives with extra fans?? > But then I'm still trying to get ride of my own SCSI trouble. This works well...one thing that works really well is a sep. tower case with extra fans and drawing power off the supply in the sep. case. I've custom built them before, when I ran a lab @ Sun, and they kicked ass :) -Jon > --WjW > > -- > Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 > P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands > Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. > Call now, and login as 'new'. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 10:49:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17661 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateman.zeus.leitch.com (gateman.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17642 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:49:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from woods@mail.zeus.leitch.com) Received: from zeus.leitch.com (tap.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.10]) by gateman.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id NAA08449; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brain.zeus.leitch.com (brain.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.32]) by zeus.leitch.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id NAA14081; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from woods@localhost) by brain.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24347; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:49:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from woods@mail.zeus.leitch.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807221749.NAA24347@brain.zeus.leitch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: woods@zeus.leitch.com (Greg A. Woods) To: dg@root.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: David Greenman's message of "Tue, July 21, 1998 17:42:36 -0700" regarding "Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. " id <199807220042.RAA22499@implode.root.com> References: <199807211852.OAA04259@brain.zeus.leitch.com> <199807220042.RAA22499@implode.root.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.45 under Emacs 20.2.1 Reply-To: woods@zeus.leitch.com (Greg A. Woods) Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Tue, July 21, 1998 at 17:42:36 (-0700), David Greenman wrote: ] > Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. > > The above error indicates that for whatever reason, the system couldn't > page in the data it needed for a page fault. This type of error most often > occurs when running a binary over NFS and having the file or the NFS server > go away. It can also happen if the disk drive that it was on stops responding > or has a bad block, etc. In no case does it indicate a problem with your > memory, however. I was worried that somehow the NMI problem also mentioned on this thread might be related to the vm_fault events I witnessed on my machine here. There's a slim chance (very very slim, mind you) that my window manager was running over NFS (I had a copy of it in my ~/bin directory which is NFS mounted), and I did remove it at some time yesterday, though I'm almost 100% certain the removal occurred many hours after the vm_fault error. The NFS server itself has been up for almost 86 days now, and has never given any problem. I may be wrong about the removal though -- it's very hard to tell now. However how could one process running over NFS cause several other un-related processes not running over NFS to fail in the same way? The primary system disk is still an IDE drive, which might explain the problem, though it was definitely up and spinning before the second process started vm_fault'ing. The swap space is spread over the IDE (250MB) and the first SCSI drive (1GB), but there's also 256MB of RAM in this machine and swap is rarely used (eg. since the reboot yesterday there's still none used even though I've built kernels, run several CVSUPs, cvs imported and updated the whole FreeBSD tree, run big emacs processes, big netscape processes, two tkined sessions, etc., etc., etc.). I'll attach a dmesg FYI. (BTW, if it is a paging problem with a binary running over NFS then I'd consider the current behaviour to be a serious bug. This would be a denial of service even on any less powerful hardware. NFS errors should be treated identically regardless of whether they're found by a user program or something in the kernel. Should a PR be opened on this?) -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE #1: Mon Jul 20 11:40:33 EDT 1998 woods@brain.zeus.leitch.com:/var/work.d/Leitch-BSD-2.2/sys/compile/BRAIN CPU: Pentium II (267.27-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x633 Stepping=3 Features=0x80f9ff real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) avail memory = 260968448 (254852K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 3 on pci0:0:0 chip1 rev 3 on pci0:1:0 chip2 rev 1 on pci0:4:0 chip3 rev 1 on pci0:4:1 chip4 rev 1 int d irq 9 on pci0:4:2 chip5 rev 1 on pci0:4:3 vga0 rev 154 on pci0:9:0 fxp0 rev 2 int a irq 10 on pci0:11:0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:6c:7f:79 ahc0 rev 1 int a irq 11 on pci0:12:0 ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST34501W 0018" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 4339MB (8887200 512 byte sectors) sd0(ahc0:0:0): with 6576 cyls, 8 heads, and an average 168 sectors/track ahc0: target 1 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc0:1:0): "SEAGATE ST34501W 0018" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(ahc0:1:0): Direct-Access 4339MB (8887200 512 byte sectors) sd1(ahc0:1:0): with 6576 cyls, 8 heads, and an average 168 sectors/track ahc0: target 2 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc0:2:0): "SEAGATE ST34501W 0013" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2(ahc0:2:0): Direct-Access 4339MB (8887200 512 byte sectors) sd2(ahc0:2:0): with 6576 cyls, 8 heads, and an average 168 sectors/track probe0(ahc0:9:0): scsi_cmd probe0(ahc0:9:0): scsi_done (ahc0:9:0): command: 0,0,0,0,0,0-[0 bytes] probe0(ahc0:9:0): scsi_cmd probe0(ahc0:9:0): scsi_done (ahc0:9:0): command: 12,0,0,0,2c,0-[44 bytes] ------------------------------ 000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 016: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 032: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ------------------------------ Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 2014MB (4124736 sectors), 4092 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface lmhw0 at 0x290 on isa lmhw0: found an LM78-J. ccd0-3: Concatenated disk drivers IP Filter: initialized. Default = pass all, Logging = disabled To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 12:13:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02897 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:13:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02728 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:12:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA15541; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19721; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:11:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199807221911.VAA19721@surf.IAE.nl> Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: from Dexnation Holodream at "Jul 22, 98 01:16:58 pm" To: dex@wankers.net (Dexnation Holodream) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:11:39 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: wjw@IAEhv.nl, jkh@time.cdrom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: wjw@IAEhv.nl X-NCC-RegID: nl.iae X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You ( Dexnation Holodream ) write: => On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Willem Jan Withagen wrote: => > You might consider seperate casing for the drives with extra fans?? => > But then I'm still trying to get ride of my own SCSI trouble. => => This works well...one thing that works really well is a sep. tower case => with extra fans and drawing power off the supply in the sep. case. I've => custom built them before, when I ran a lab @ Sun, and they kicked ass :) I have, (Or IAE actually has/had) 19" racks with alu wide slides with 1 small fan per slide, and 3 major fans in the rear. But then I found out that my active terminators only made things worse. Thus I'm getting new/other ones. I know/knew/will know that a lot of SCSI trouble comes from: bad termination/ors homebrew cables cheap-o-tronic connectors and only then: bad firmware bad disks --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 12:52:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11683 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11595 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eternal@foci.net) Received: from et (user-38lc37k.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.12.244]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13527 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01bdb5a9$b26054c0$01646464@et.foci.net> From: "Eternal" To: Subject: Cron Broken in 2.2.7 ? Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:48:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When anyone uses crontab to write a new cron it appears to work fine. Crontab -e has the same file that was wrote, but crontab -l shows this, or something similiar to this (different filename etc.): # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall. # (/tmp/crontab.MAhpDD5567 installed on Wed Jul 22 15:47:59 1998) # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 1.6.2.3 1998/03/09 11:42:00 jkh Exp $) Any ideas ? - Jeremy Blawn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 13:14:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15760 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:14:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15720 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eternal@foci.net) Received: from et (user-38lc37k.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.12.244]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10669 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701bdb5ac$cf48d0a0$01646464@et.foci.net> From: "Eternal" To: Subject: Cron broken in 2.2.7 ? Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:10:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When anyone uses crontab to write a new cron it appears to work fine. Crontab -e has the same file that was wrote, but crontab -l shows this, or something similiar to this (different filename etc.): # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall. # (/tmp/crontab.MAhpDD5567 installed on Wed Jul 22 15:47:59 1998) # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 1.6.2.3 1998/03/09 11:42:00 jkh Exp $) Any ideas ? - Jeremy Blawn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 14:18:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26220 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:18:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (root@host-209-214-83-162.ath.bellsouth.net [209.214.83.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26173 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:17:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00438; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:18:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: <012d01bdb5b4$7c116f20$1400000a@deskfix.local> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would NOT suggest wiring power supplies together, as it is a very dangerous thing to do, and will more likely than not end up with someone dead, burned, shocked, or, at the very least, lots of damaged equipment. Rather, use a second case or a second power supply, make sure if you are just using a secondary power supply that it is properly grounded to the case, and hook the drives up to the second supply. If you are using a second case with a power supply, it will be grounded properly, and you can just hook it up. Should you attempt wiring two power supplies together, make sure you connect them at the 110/220 current, before it hits the supply at all, or the fuses, or else you WILL blow something up (possibly yourself). On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Jeroen C. van Gelderen wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Dexnation Holodream > To: wjw@IAEhv.nl > Cc: Jordan K. Hubbard ; stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > Date: woensdag 22 juli 1998 20:32 > Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. > > > |This works well...one thing that works really well is a sep. tower > case > |with extra fans and drawing power off the supply in the sep. case. > I've > |custom built them before, when I ran a lab @ Sun, and they kicked ass > :) > > Sorry to bother you, but could you please explain shortly how I should > wire the power supplies together? > > TIA, > Jeroen > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 17:45:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02164 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02156 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:45:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (sji-ca6-85.ix.netcom.com [205.186.213.85]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03764; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id RAA10288; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807230044.RAA10288@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: wjw@IAEhv.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <14287.901119687@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Probably yes. Freefall has been more disk I/O bound, especially on * the drive containing the CVS repository, and has 4 drives which also * generate way too much heat for the kind of case it currently has. Do you have them in a separate enclosure? A good disk enclosure with powerful fans (ours have three) really works wonders for heat problems. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 18:26:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08610 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08446; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199807230124.SAA08446@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: from Dexnation Holodream at "Jul 22, 98 01:08:49 pm" To: dex@wankers.net (Dexnation Holodream) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: smp@csn.net, jkh@time.cdrom.com, bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au, asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dexnation Holodream wrote: > > I'd be interested in hearing about what realtime stuff you're > doing...Jordan and I were discussing setting up a realtime mailing list the listwas set up quite a while ago. freebsd-realtime has 152 subscribers. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 20:50:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29413 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:50:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29406; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:50:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16582; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) cc: wjw@IAEhv.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:44:33 PDT." <199807230044.RAA10288@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:49:28 -0700 Message-ID: <16579.901165768@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, one thing we've decided to do here is toss a little of our own money into the mix and get a rack mount case for freefall with lots and lots of fans. :) I believe Mike's already ordered one from Siliconrax. Getting another ATX tower case and then attempting to cool it by cutting holes in the front and mounting lots of extra fans is a technique which we should probably move away from. :) - Jordan > * Probably yes. Freefall has been more disk I/O bound, especially on > * the drive containing the CVS repository, and has 4 drives which also > * generate way too much heat for the kind of case it currently has. > > Do you have them in a separate enclosure? A good disk enclosure with > powerful fans (ours have three) really works wonders for heat > problems. > > Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 21:48:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08021 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:48:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07995; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id AAA26820; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980723004801.A26759@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:48:01 -0400 From: Norman C Rice To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Satoshi Asami Cc: wjw@IAEhv.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. References: <199807230044.RAA10288@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> <16579.901165768@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <16579.901165768@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Jul 22, 1998 at 08:49:28PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 22, 1998 at 08:49:28PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Well, one thing we've decided to do here is toss a little of our own > money into the mix and get a rack mount case for freefall with lots > and lots of fans. :) I believe Mike's already ordered one from > Siliconrax. Getting another ATX tower case and then attempting to > cool it by cutting holes in the front and mounting lots of extra fans > is a technique which we should probably move away from. :) Earlier this month on the isp mailing list there was a discussion regarding keeping disk drives cool. Someone (sorry, I do not have the name handy) mentioned a $10 gismo containing two small fans that replaces the drive's normal plastic faceplate. What I did save from the thread is the following URL and part number. Wetex (http://www.wetex.com). The part number is FAN-HDD-CK2. I am not sure whether this will interfere or even work with a hot swap chassis, but then again I not sure that you intend to use one. -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. > - Jordan > > > * Probably yes. Freefall has been more disk I/O bound, especially on > > * the drive containing the CVS repository, and has 4 drives which also > > * generate way too much heat for the kind of case it currently has. > > > > Do you have them in a separate enclosure? A good disk enclosure with > > powerful fans (ours have three) really works wonders for heat > > problems. > > > > Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 22:13:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11341 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11335; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:13:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17076; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:12:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Norman C Rice cc: Satoshi Asami , wjw@IAEhv.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:48:01 EDT." <19980723004801.A26759@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:12:32 -0700 Message-ID: <17072.901170752@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Earlier this month on the isp mailing list there was a > discussion regarding keeping disk drives cool. Someone > (sorry, I do not have the name handy) mentioned a $10 > gismo containing two small fans that replaces the drive's > normal plastic faceplate. What I did save from the thread > is the following URL and part number. "Bay cooler" - there have been at least 3 mounted on the front of each of our boxes since Mike Smith went maddog in there one day. ;-) Still not enough, really. Their are airflow problems in any tower case that cause bolt-on fans to be a less than ideal solution when outside temperatures go past a certain point. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 22:54:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15625 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:54:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15619 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (sji-ca6-85.ix.netcom.com [205.186.213.85]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04026; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA10997; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807230554.WAA10997@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: wjw@IAEhv.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <16579.901165768@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Well, one thing we've decided to do here is toss a little of our own * money into the mix and get a rack mount case for freefall with lots * and lots of fans. :) I believe Mike's already ordered one from * Siliconrax. Getting another ATX tower case and then attempting to * cool it by cutting holes in the front and mounting lots of extra fans * is a technique which we should probably move away from. :) No, I meant a disk enclosure, not a rack-mount PC case, multiple fans or not. A real disk enclosure is designed to have air flow above and below the disks to maximize cooling. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 22:56:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15797 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:56:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles163.castles.com [208.214.165.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15787; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00396; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807230555.WAA00396@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, wjw@IAEhv.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:44:33 PDT." <199807230044.RAA10288@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:55:33 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > * Probably yes. Freefall has been more disk I/O bound, especially on > * the drive containing the CVS repository, and has 4 drives which also > * generate way too much heat for the kind of case it currently has. > > Do you have them in a separate enclosure? A good disk enclosure with > powerful fans (ours have three) really works wonders for heat > problems. I added six more fans to freefall earlier this year, and moved a lot of stuff around to deal with heat problems. It's just in a conventional tower case though. Just before hub died, I installed some serious cooling in both it (now lost with the new system) and bento. The latter is now producing a breeze that is reminiscent of a hairdryer on 'low'. We're looking at moving (as funding permits) to using the Siliconrax SR-489-ATX cases, which will give us greatly improved airflow both over the drives and also the motherboard (which is what appears to have failed in hub last time). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 23:06:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17101 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles163.castles.com [208.214.165.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17094; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00450; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807230605.XAA00450@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Norman C Rice , Satoshi Asami , wjw@IAEhv.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:12:32 PDT." <17072.901170752@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:05:51 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Earlier this month on the isp mailing list there was a > > discussion regarding keeping disk drives cool. Someone > > (sorry, I do not have the name handy) mentioned a $10 > > gismo containing two small fans that replaces the drive's > > normal plastic faceplate. What I did save from the thread > > is the following URL and part number. > > "Bay cooler" - there have been at least 3 mounted on the front of each > of our boxes since Mike Smith went maddog in there one day. ;-) > > Still not enough, really. Their are airflow problems in any tower > case that cause bolt-on fans to be a less than ideal solution when > outside temperatures go past a certain point. Just to put some perspective on this; when hub went under last weekend it had what I call a 5.25" full-height fan assembly (two slightly offset 3" high-speed muffin fans) at the top of the tower running exhaust. This is about as much air as you can move through such a case (you pull all the spare I/O shields to get enough air in) without going to a mains-powered axial blower (and I left all mine back in .au). Basically, we've reached the point where we have to get serious, and with some help it looks like we can. Yay! -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 22 23:26:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18969 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:26:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles163.castles.com [208.214.165.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18953; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00575; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807230625.XAA00575@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, wjw@IAEhv.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:54:18 PDT." <199807230554.WAA10997@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:25:51 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > * Well, one thing we've decided to do here is toss a little of our own > * money into the mix and get a rack mount case for freefall with lots > * and lots of fans. :) I believe Mike's already ordered one from > * Siliconrax. Getting another ATX tower case and then attempting to > * cool it by cutting holes in the front and mounting lots of extra fans > * is a technique which we should probably move away from. :) > > No, I meant a disk enclosure, not a rack-mount PC case, multiple fans > or not. > > A real disk enclosure is designed to have air flow above and below the > disks to maximize cooling. I would suggest checking out the SR-489 case before dismissing it like that; it looks to be designed as both. Using a separate disk enclosure wouldn't offer much more than increased cost and rack space. http://www.siliconrax.com If anyone has any comments on this box, now is the time to voice them. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 23 00:53:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02222 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02201; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:53:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA14493; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:53:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA03918; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:52:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199807230752.JAA03918@surf.IAE.nl> Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-Reply-To: <199807230625.XAA00575@antipodes.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Jul 22, 98 11:25:51 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:52:59 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com, wjw@IAEhv.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: wjw@IAEhv.nl X-NCC-RegID: nl.iae X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You ( Mike Smith ) write: [Deleted about cutting up an ATX chassis ] => > No, I meant a disk enclosure, not a rack-mount PC case, multiple fans => > or not. => > => > A real disk enclosure is designed to have air flow above and below the => > disks to maximize cooling. => => I would suggest checking out the SR-489 case before dismissing it like => that; it looks to be designed as both. Using a separate disk enclosure => wouldn't offer much more than increased cost and rack space. Using a "spare" case for the disks is only valid if: - The disks run TOO hot when they are with the exquipment. - or you'd need to have (or will have) more than the 1 or 2 which you're going to start with. --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 23 02:50:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18193 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18144 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA12839; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:49:37 GMT Message-ID: <19980723024936.A12762@nuxi.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:49:36 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: John Saunders , FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: Kernel panic when disklabelling from sysinstall Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <074201bdaadb$21d1f6d0$6cb611cb@saruman.scitec.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <074201bdaadb$21d1f6d0$6cb611cb@saruman.scitec.com.au>; from John Saunders on Thu, Jul 09, 1998 at 11:44:35AM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If nobody has responded to this yet... > How do people normally add new disks to a FreeBSD system? See my additions to the Handbook on "Adding Disks". > Given that /stand/sysinstall causes a kernel panic during the newfs > process. It does????? > When I tried to manually run disklabel I got all sorts of errors Did you use ``disklabel -Brw wd1'' (or what ever disk device is approapiate?) You should zero out the 1st few sectors of the disk first. The full list of commands to run is in the Handbook. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 23 15:32:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17186 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:32:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17168; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:32:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01465; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807232229.PAA01465@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Steve Passe cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Bruce Evans , mike@smith.net.au, asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:27:21 MDT." <199807220727.BAA11941@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:29:25 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Just my observation on NMIs in general, FreeBSD doesn't re-cock > the PII chip correctly to take a subsequent NMI. I am using > custom ISA hardware that generates an NMI to give us 'pseudo-realtime' > response. To get it to work I had to add code to the NMI ISR to > recock the PII chip to handle repeated NMIs. This is in the context > of 2.2.6... Patches? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 23 16:03:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21690 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:03:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21685; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01643; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807232301.QAA01643@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Brett Glass cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My verdict on 2.2.7... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:48:42 MDT." <199807232248.QAA05957@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:01:26 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Would a few folks care to comment on whether these problems are widespread > and/or serious enough to warrant delaying upgrades? There's an observed problem with sysinstall where it's not handling X correctly; we're cutting a new release right now to test this, and there should be an updated boot image on ftp.freebsd.org shortly. See the CVS logs for the grisly details. As for the reported package problems; the package collection is regularly heavily used so such a widespread set of problems suddenly emerging is surprising. We're not aware of any problems, and the plaintiff has been unwilling to specify exactly what, if any, they actually encountered. We'll be trying hard to break it tomorrow. I would, as always, be suggesting that you install/upgrade under controlled circumstances in order to qualify the process for your local conditions. If you do so, please take a few moments to report your results in detail so that corrective action (if any is required) can be taken. Thanks. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 23 18:14:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08535 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:14:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08518 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:14:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01267 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:13:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1259.901242812.1@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: 2.2.7 boot floppies updated. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa" Content-Description: Blind Carbon Copy Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Original Message To: announce@freebsd.org Subject: 2.2.7 boot floppies updated. Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:13:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1259.901242812@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" An 11th hour bug in the boot floppies, having to do with the way XFree86 distributions are chosen, was discovered during final CD testing. Though this problem is not fatal and can be easily worked around by either choosing one of the "canned" XFree86 distributions (X-Developer, X-User, etc) or by installing XFree86 by hand, it was deemed annoying enough to re-roll the boot floppies and update them on ftp.freebsd.org. If you have grabbed the 2.2.7 boot floppies earlier, you may wish to get them again. Those getting 2.2.7 on CD will never see this problem and this is only of concern to the folks who install over the net. Just FYI! - Jordan ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 23 19:22:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18960 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18945; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smp@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost.StevesCafe.com [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02671; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807240222.UAA02671@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Steve Passe To: Mike Smith cc: Steve Passe , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Bruce Evans , asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:29:25 PDT." <199807232229.PAA01465@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:22:01 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > > Just my observation on NMIs in general, FreeBSD doesn't re-cock > > the PII chip correctly to take a subsequent NMI. I am using > > custom ISA hardware that generates an NMI to give us 'pseudo-realtime' > > response. To get it to work I had to add code to the NMI ISR to > > recock the PII chip to handle repeated NMIs. This is in the context > > of 2.2.6... > > Patches? I misspoke a little... The code is in a proprietary lkm, I redirect the NMI IDT entry to point to it, ignoring the FreeBSD NMI ISR entirely. So I can't give patches. I will try to encapsolate the basics of it and forward when I can find time... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 23 20:14:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26833 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orion.aye.net (orion.aye.net [206.185.8.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA26777 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:13:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabtter@orion.aye.net) Received: (qmail 23079 invoked by uid 3759); 24 Jul 1998 03:14:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "B. Richardson" To: Markus Stumpf cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap/memory management problem In-Reply-To: <19980724035956.H11327@space.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This would actually be a good posting for squid-users@ircache.net. I had the same sort of hurdles. My cache was quite a bit smaller (12 gig) and a 166 Mhz with 256 meg of ram. When it went into swap, it was like an instant logjam (our peak connection rate was around 45,000 connections per hour). When squid memory usage got around 190 mb we had a little pageing activity with a noticable degradation in performance. At 175 mb there was no paging, response was good, but we started noticing thing like DNS times in the cachemgr getting higher (like .4 seconds) and spikes in the number of page scans per second in the output of vmstat. We kept backing off the cache_mem setting until all this went away, and now swap usage is 0. Squid peaks at around 170 mb (our cache is smaller that yours and the nature of our userload may be different accounting for slight differences in memory usage patterns). Around 1/3 of physical memory is a fairly common starting point for the cache_mem is a good starting point and you can tweak it from there. If you reduce swap to 30 mb, I'm convinced you will get the dreaded "could not allocate 4096 bytes" error. Swap is the enemy. Your 300 Mhz may be a bit more immune to the performance degredation but any swapping at all on our 166 Mhz really killed us under heavy load. - Barrett Richardson rabtter@orion.aye.net On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Markus Stumpf wrote: > System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE #0 > CPU: Pentium Pro (300.68-MHz 686-class CPU) > real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) > avail memory = 256962560 (250940K bytes) > Swap space configured 300 MB. > > The machine is dedicated as cache/proxy server using squid-1.22-NOVM. > No other tasks than the minimum system processes running. > We have about 1.8 million objects in cache. > Squid claims memory demand of 178768 KB. > > Now the problem: > > If I start squid fresh it starts to read its "database" and grows in memory. > As soon as it reaches about 170 MB the systems starts to swap. Swap space > is filling slowly but after one day approx about 240 MBs are used. > > The follwing numbers are from squid running for about 50 hours now. > > "top" reports: > -------------- > Mem: 129M Active, 47M Inact, 42M Wired, 32M Cache, 8224K Buf, 784K Free > Swap: 300M Total, 238M Used, 62M Free, 79% Inuse, 12K In > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > 8021 root 2 -15 235M 173M select 135:57 0.38% 0.38% squid > > "systat -vmstat": > ----------------- > Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL > Tot Share Tot Share Free > Act 196604 548 247308 704 36252 count > All 255936 676 1195900 1432 pages > > Watched this a loooong ;-) time and never seen pages swapped out but only in. > > The nasty thing with this is that squid is getting slower and slower and > even so the above numbers do no change its getting slower every day it > runs until I restart it. > > I assume this all is due to proactive swapping? > > Is there any chance to get rid of this behaviour? Would it help to reduce > the swap space to e.g. 30 MB? (the 27 GB disk is filled, so I don't think > squid will grow any further). Anything else I'm missing? > > Thanks > > \Maex > > P.S. If there are any more infos on the system I could provide which would > help to solve the problem, I'd be glad to do so. > > -- > SpaceNet GmbH | http://www.Space.Net/ | If you don't think women > Research & Development | mailto:research@Space.Net | are explosive, drop one! > Frankfurter Ring 193a | Tel: +49 (89) 32356-0 | > D-80807 Muenchen | Fax: +49 (89) 32356-299 | > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 23 20:49:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03025 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02972; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18922; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:53:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199807240353.XAA18922@sabre.goldsword.com> To: dex@wankers.net, smp@csn.net Subject: Realtime Freebsd list [WAS: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours.] Cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG, bde@zeta.org.au, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com, mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Definitely count me in. I cut my teeth doing realtime systems on DEC PDP's various micro's, etc. (Did you know that you could use a Dec Vax Cluster to do realtime factory control? The client was wowed...) John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee Office: (423)691-6498 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 23 23:26:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27442 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:26:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27345; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id IAA16588; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:24:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id IAA20370; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:16:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980724081648.48414@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:16:48 +0200 From: J Wunsch To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Bruce Evans , asami@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <199807220541.PAA25672@godzilla.zeta.org.au> <12229.901089421@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <12229.901089421@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 11:37:01PM -0700 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > You still don't seem to understand. "Worse" is freefall crashing and > denying service for a problem which is still unknown but seems fairly > non-fatal (at least unless it panics the system). Unless you have an > actual fix for this problem, and I don't see it attached to your > message anywhere, this is _exactly_ the right thing to do. Having > freefall drop into the debugger 2 or 3 times a day is not a solution. sysctl -w debug.debugger_on_panic=0 ...so it'll properly reboot. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 01:18:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15278 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:18:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15170; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:18:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA18587; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:17:41 +1000 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:17:41 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199807240817.SAA18587@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Tree tagging put off by ~12 hours. Cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG, bde@zeta.org.au, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> message anywhere, this is _exactly_ the right thing to do. Having >> freefall drop into the debugger 2 or 3 times a day is not a solution. > >sysctl -w debug.debugger_on_panic=0 > >...so it'll properly reboot. Probablility zero. UTSL. This sysctl is broken as "designed". It does exactly what its name suggests (controls the call to Debugger() from panic()) but not what is needed (control never calliing Debugger() or kdb_trap() except possibly for the Ctrl-PrintScreen hotkey). Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 02:34:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28578 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.lbfe.org.tw ([210.63.26.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28564 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:34:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonahk@mail.lbfe.org.tw) Received: from mail.lbfe.org.tw ([210.63.26.198]) by mail.lbfe.org.tw (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA47CB for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:54:32 +0800 Message-ID: <35B85738.6E99012F@mail.lbfe.org.tw> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:43:20 +0800 From: Jonah Kuo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make installworld failed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I'm using make world to update my freebsd 2.2.6 box to RELENG_2_2_7_RELEASE make buildworld went fine, but make installworld failed, the error messages are --- maninstall --- /usr/share/man/man3/login_getclassbyname.3.gz -> /usr/share/man/man3/login_cap.3.gz /usr/share/man/man3/login_close.3.gz -> /usr/share/man/man3/login_cap.3.gz /usr/share/man/man3/login_getclass.3.gz -> /usr/share/man/man3/login_cap.3.gz ln: /usr/share/man/man3/login_cap.3.gz: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error I fetched the source from cvsup2.freebsd.org, is the file 'login_getclass.3.gz' missing? Jonah To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 04:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23479 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:58:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23474 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damascus@eden.rutgers.edu) Received: from athena ([24.3.219.36]) by ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA9083 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:58:28 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980724080141.0086e500@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: damascus@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:01:41 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Carroll Kong Subject: FreeBSD CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi guys, I have a cd-r and linux, so I should be able to do this easily. How exactly do I go about burning 2.2.7-release? I burned 2.2.5-release with basically no problems, although I ran into this odd problem. The packages dir has symlinks pointing back to itself, while not a problem if I had a tarball, I tried get .tar.gz and .tar and .tgz to no avail, at least on the ftp3. and ftp4.freebsd.org cd sites. I could try ftp.cdrom.com instead, since they most likely support it... Is there anyway through ftp for me to download these symlinks? (the actual symlink, not the dest of the symlink) And on top of that... the packages of 2.2.7 is ... well huge. How do I go about spanning these two discs? Do i just cut anough cd with the proper dir structure of the freebsd CD but only with the remaining packages? Thanks a lot guys! -Carroll Kong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 07:32:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15776 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ady.warpnet.ro (ady.warpnet.ro [193.230.201.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15683 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:32:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Received: from localhost (ady@localhost) by ady.warpnet.ro (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA25229; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:30:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:30:51 +0300 (EEST) From: Adrian Penisoara To: Carroll Kong cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD CD In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980724080141.0086e500@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Carroll Kong wrote: > > I could try ftp.cdrom.com instead, since they most likely support it... > Is there anyway through ftp for me to download these symlinks? (the actual > symlink, not the dest of the symlink) And on top of that... the packages Did you try wget (ports/net/wget) ? I use 'wget -m URL' here and it works with symlinks (it will make the symlinks but won't retrieve the linked file unless you will request it). > of 2.2.7 is ... well huge. How do I go about spanning these two discs? Do > i just cut anough cd with the proper dir structure of the freebsd CD but > only with the remaining packages? Thanks a lot guys! > > -Carroll Kong Just my $0.02 Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 10:18:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18141 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ukconnect.net (mail.ukconnect.net [195.219.13.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA18081 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:17:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@virtek.com) Received: from gsi.ukconnect.net (gsi.ukconnect.net [195.219.13.179]) by mail.virtek.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aa3h) with ESMTP id ia011240 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:15:57 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980724181708.007588fc@mail.virtek.com> X-Sender: phil@mail.virtek.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:17:08 +0100 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Phil Allsopp Subject: 2 Intel Ethernet cards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can I add two Intel Pro 100b ethernet cards to a BSD 2.2.5 system. I suspect the answer is yes, but will I need to do a kernel rebuild. If so, can anyone give me advice on this ? Thanks in advance. Regards Phil Windows VirusScan 1.0 - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/N)" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 10:43:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23563 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vmuniz.ml.org (root@dyn2-206cable.hg.singa.pore.net [202.169.244.206] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23489 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@vmuniz.ml.org) Received: from dyn2-206cable.hg.singa.pore.net (freebsd@dyn2-206cable.hg.singa.pore.net [202.169.244.206]) by vmuniz.ml.org (blah/Fuck) with SMTP id BAA14582; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:42:46 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:42:41 +0800 (SGT) From: Ong Kevin To: Phil Allsopp cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 Intel Ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980724181708.007588fc@mail.virtek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Phil Allsopp wrote: > Can I add two Intel Pro 100b ethernet cards to a BSD 2.2.5 system. I > suspect the answer is yes, but will I need to do a kernel rebuild. If so, > can anyone give me advice on this ? add 'device fxp0' and 'device fxp1' to ur kernel config file and recompile ur kernel. kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 10:45:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24051 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:45:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hackerz.org (randy@hackerz.org [209.31.146.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23936 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:44:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@hackerz.org) Received: (from randy@localhost) by hackerz.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA17485; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980724134503.07281@hackerz.org> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:45:03 -0400 From: Charles Quarri To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problems generating 2.2.7 Release Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have been trying to generate a local release using the /usr/src/release part of the source. I keep getting the "Malformed conditional" error during the make. I can provide exact details (I just cvsup last night, cleaned the source tree, rebuilt everything, hoping that this has already been fixed). Any help would be greatly appreciated. C. Quarri To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 11:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03858 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (tweetie-pipex.online.barbour-index.co.uk [194.129.192.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03852 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:32:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scot@planet-three.com) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA07515; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:31:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@planet-three.com) X-Authentication-Warning: tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:31:32 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott X-Sender: scot@tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk To: Phil Allsopp cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 Intel Ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980724181708.007588fc@mail.virtek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nope - just sling them both in and the PCI stuff seems to do everything else. Magic eh. The only thing I found was that it's not obvious which interface is fxp0 and which is fxp1 - seems that the one with the lowest IRQ is fxp0 and the other is fxp1. And the IRQ seems to depend on which PCI slot the card is in. Scot. On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Phil Allsopp wrote: > Can I add two Intel Pro 100b ethernet cards to a BSD 2.2.5 system. I > suspect the answer is yes, but will I need to do a kernel rebuild. If so, > can anyone give me advice on this ? > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Regards > > Phil > > > Windows VirusScan 1.0 - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/N)" > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org, scot@cx) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 14:04:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28863 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:04:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28785 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: (from shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21109; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980724140733.02278@cpl.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:07:33 -0700 From: Shawn Ramsey To: Scot Elliott Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 Intel Ethernet cards References: <3.0.3.32.19980724181708.007588fc@mail.virtek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Scot Elliott on Fri, Jul 24, 1998 at 07:31:32PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Nope - just sling them both in and the PCI stuff seems to do everything > else. Magic eh. The only thing I found was that it's not obvious which > interface is fxp0 and which is fxp1 - seems that the one with the lowest > IRQ is fxp0 and the other is fxp1. And the IRQ seems to depend on which > PCI slot the card is in. That is the way PCI works. But, if you want the cards on specific IRQ's, w/o switching slots, you should be able to manually set it in your motherboards BIOS. I don't remember what "category?" its under in the BIOS, PCI something. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 15:13:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10151 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ccsales.com (ccsales.ccsales.com [207.137.172.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10141 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:13:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (b203.ecom.net [207.13.225.203]) by ccsales.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA26235; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980724150821.0346d100@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:08:21 -0700 To: Shawn Ramsey , Scot Elliott From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: 2 Intel Ethernet cards Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980724140733.02278@cpl.net> References: <3.0.3.32.19980724181708.007588fc@mail.virtek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The assignments are not exact in PCI, I wish they would alter that part of the spec and offer new BIOS's... At 02:07 PM 7/24/98 -0700, Shawn Ramsey wrote: >> Nope - just sling them both in and the PCI stuff seems to do everything >> else. Magic eh. The only thing I found was that it's not obvious which >> interface is fxp0 and which is fxp1 - seems that the one with the lowest >> IRQ is fxp0 and the other is fxp1. And the IRQ seems to depend on which >> PCI slot the card is in. > >That is the way PCI works. But, if you want the cards on specific IRQ's, w/o >switching slots, you should be able to manually set it in your motherboards >BIOS. I don't remember what "category?" its under in the BIOS, PCI >something. :) > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 16:14:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20920 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:14:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from athena.faerun.com (damascus@cc762335-a.ebnsk1.nj.home.com [24.3.219.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20888 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:14:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damascus@eden.rutgers.edu) Received: from localhost (damascus@localhost) by athena.faerun.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id TAA01919; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:16:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: athena.faerun.com: damascus owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:16:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Carroll Kong X-Sender: damascus@athena.faerun.com To: Adrian Penisoara cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Did you try wget (ports/net/wget) ? I use 'wget -m URL' here and it works > with symlinks (it will make the symlinks but won't retrieve the linked > file unless you will request it). > > Just my $0.02 > Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro) Oh wow... more than just 2 cents for me! I started this morning, still downloading since ftp.cdrom.com is so slow.. thanks a million. I am also going to try the other guys' idea... Carroll Kong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 16:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24576 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24541 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:33:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA21760 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:32:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA20993 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:32:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199807242332.BAA20993@surf.IAE.nl> Subject: Installing a Fresh Large DPT system To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:32:54 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: wjw@IAEhv.nl X-NCC-RegID: nl.iae X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I promissed to look at it. The current 2.2.7-RELEASE floppy works for me on a DPT-controller with a 20Gb /usr partition. It just new-fs'ed alright for me. And I'm currently loading the minimal bin-distribution over my modem, so that'll take a while. I'll keep you posted on any occuring boot-problems. But that'll be tomorrow. Currently in my system: ASUS P55T2P4S with 166MMX, 64MB ram de0 21041 ati-mach 1Mb DPT 3334UW with 7*4Gb in RAID-5 with 1 hotswap. --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 16:53:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28305 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:53:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28271 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:53:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yzrdT-0006J8-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:52:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Ong Kevin cc: Phil Allsopp , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 Intel Ethernet cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Ong Kevin wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Phil Allsopp wrote: > > > Can I add two Intel Pro 100b ethernet cards to a BSD 2.2.5 system. I > > suspect the answer is yes, but will I need to do a kernel rebuild. If so, > > can anyone give me advice on this ? > > add 'device fxp0' and 'device fxp1' to ur kernel config file and recompile > ur kernel. Nope. It is totally unnecessary to add fxp1, as PCI drviers grow automatically. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 17:02:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00316 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:02:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00239 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA26049; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:01:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Timmons To: Phil Allsopp cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 Intel Ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980724181708.007588fc@mail.virtek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You'll need to do a kernel rebuild if the kernel you are running does not have the fxp0 configuration line already. Beyond that, the driver will handle multiple instances of supported Intel Pro 100B or 100+ cards without need to add additional config lines (and subsequent rebuilds.) -Chris On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Phil Allsopp wrote: > Can I add two Intel Pro 100b ethernet cards to a BSD 2.2.5 system. I > suspect the answer is yes, but will I need to do a kernel rebuild. If so, > can anyone give me advice on this ? > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Regards > > Phil > > > Windows VirusScan 1.0 - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/N)" > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 19:30:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23737 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:30:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA23730 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:30:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yzu5M-0002PD-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:29:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:29:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Carroll Kong cc: Adrian Penisoara , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Carroll Kong wrote: > Oh wow... more than just 2 cents for me! I started this morning, still > downloading since ftp.cdrom.com is so slow.. thanks a million. BTW, you should improve your own access first. I'm averaging 91KB/s from ftp.cdrom.com, which is no speed record, but it is also peak time (19:30 PDT). Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 24 21:17:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03267 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:17:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03262 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djflow@erols.com) Received: from home2 (207-172-210-185.s185.tnt2.nrf.erols.com [207.172.210.185]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13225; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006601bdb783$1e695420$0100000a@home2> From: "Derek Flowers" To: "Carroll Kong" Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD CD Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:17:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Carroll Kong To: Adrian Penisoara Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 8:26 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD CD >> Did you try wget (ports/net/wget) ? I use 'wget -m URL' here and it works >> with symlinks (it will make the symlinks but won't retrieve the linked >> file unless you will request it). >> >> Just my $0.02 >> Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro) > >Oh wow... more than just 2 cents for me! I started this morning, still >downloading since ftp.cdrom.com is so slow.. thanks a million. > >I am also going to try the other guys' idea... > >Carroll Kong > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > I use net/mirror to mirror everything for the 2.2.7-RELEASE branch right off of ftp.freebsd.org using the following mirror-config file: -----Begin----- package=defaults local_dir=/ftp/pub/FreeBSD remote_dir=/pub/FreeBSD mail_to= mode_copy=true exclude_patt=(^|/)(\.mirror$|core$|\.cap|\.in\..*\.$|MIRROR\.LOG|#.*#|\.FSP| \.cache|\.zipped|\.notar|\.message|lost\+found/|Network Trash Folder) compress_excl+|-z(\d+)?$|\.tgz|_tgz|\.tar\.Z|\.tar\.gz|\.taz$|\.arc$|\.zip$| \.lzh$|\.zoo$|\.exe$|\.lha$|\.zom$|\.gif$|\.jpeg$|\.jpg$|\.mpeg$|\.au$|\.shk $|read.*me|index|info|faq|gzip|compress|(^|/)\.\.?$ delete_excl=(^|/)\.(mirror|notar|cache)$ local_ignore=README.doc.ic|(^|/)\.(mirror|notar)$ do_deletes=true max_delete_files=100% max_delete_dirs=100% site=ftp.freebsd.org package=FreeBSD-2.2.7 comment=Powerful and free BSD version of Un*x remote_dir+/2.2.7-RELEASE local_dir+/2.2.7-RELEASE package=Packages comment=Binary packages for FreeBSD remote_dir+/packages-2.2.7 local_dir+/packages-2.2.7 package=Tools comment=Tools for FreeBSD remote_dir+/tools local_dir+/tools package=Docs comment=Docs for FreeBSD remote_dir+/docs local_dir+/docs package=Newsletter comment=Newsletter for FreeBSD remote_dir+/newsletter local_dir+/newsletter -----End----- Using this method allows for corrections to any files such as the recent X changes, as long as you remirror every now and then. At the least, you need FreeBSD-2.2.7, Packages, and Tools to create a working CD image. The packages are a problem because they total over 900MB. If you trim off the chinese, korean, russian, vietnamese, and other language based packages, you can fit the rest of the packages onto one CD. Placing the language packages with the distributions, tools, docs, and newsletters, you could fit the entire system onto two CD's. If you use mkisofs to create the iso images, don't forget to make the boot sector point to the boot.flp image. Also, make sure the packages are located in the packages directory on the CD so sysinstall will see them. Let me know your solution for the package size problem. -Derek To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 25 02:56:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00488 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 02:56:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00483 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 02:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAE.nl) Received: from surf.IAE.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06855; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:56:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAE.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA15018; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:56:09 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:56:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199807250956.LAA15018@surf.IAE.nl> To: wjw@IAEhv.nl Subject: Re: Installing a Fresh Large DPT system X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: <199807242332.BAA20993@surf.IAE.nl> Organization: Internet Access Eindhoven, the Netherlands Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199807242332.BAA20993@surf.IAE.nl> you write: >I promissed to look at it. The current 2.2.7-RELEASE floppy works for me >on a DPT-controller with a 20Gb /usr partition. >It just new-fs'ed alright for me. >And I'm currently loading the minimal bin-distribution over my modem, so >that'll take a while. It just rebooted fine this morning. So I'm in the happy camp. 2.2.7 and large DPT-disk DOES work. The only thing I didn't do is make a dangerously dedicated disk. But then you'd need the DOS/DPT tools on your disk anayways. --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 25 07:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25449 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 07:52:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from athena.faerun.com (damascus@cc762335-a.ebnsk1.nj.home.com [24.3.219.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25444 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 07:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damascus@eden.rutgers.edu) Received: from localhost (damascus@localhost) by athena.faerun.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id KAA05114 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:55:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: athena.faerun.com: damascus owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:55:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Carroll Kong X-Sender: damascus@athena.faerun.com Reply-To: Carroll Kong To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE CDs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi guys, wget was one of the only solutions that worked to retrieve symlinks... took me a while though, since I moronically tried "mirror" option and "retr-symlink" which is the exact opposite of what I wanted. ;) Anyways, now that I will have the entire cd, the ultimate problem arises that the new packages are 900 megs in size. I suppose if I cut out all the international material in the packages, the "xperimental" dir, and the commerce dir, I may be able to fit everything in one CD. But... if I cannot slice the packages down, shall I simply fit enough packages in one CD, then put the rest in another CD using the SAME exactly directory tree? (will the install prompt me to add another CD?). Or would I have to modify the INDEX? Thanks.. either that or can someone send me the dir listings of the FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE CD? (and no... I do not really want to buy the CD since I have a cd-burner and FreeBSD is free. ) :) Carroll Kong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 25 11:44:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15385 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15378 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oski@pacbell.net) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-207-215-86-118.scrm01.pacbell.net [207.215.86.118]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id LAA13298; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35BA2789.D4522822@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:44:25 -0700 From: Michael Oski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carroll Kong CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE CDs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Carroll Kong wrote: > .... (and no... I do not really want to buy the CD since I have a > cd-burner and FreeBSD is free. ) :) That's not the only purpose of buying the CD. Many people pay the (relatively) minor cost as (another?) way of supporting the project. MO! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 25 14:59:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05487 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:59:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oak.oakwood.k12.oh.us (mwhite@oak.oakwood.k12.oh.us [156.63.171.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05482 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:59:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwhite@oak.oakwood.k12.oh.us) Received: (from mwhite@localhost) by oak.oakwood.k12.oh.us (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA15740; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:58:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwhite) Message-ID: <19980725175847.15249@oakwood.k12.oh.us> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:58:47 -0400 From: Matt White To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Linux emulation in 2.2.7? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello... Ever since I upgraded to 2.2.7-STABLE I have been unable to run Linux binaries. The program will start, and maybe run for a second or two, but then system acts like it's frozen. Once it acts like it's frozen it will reboot fsck does it's job cleaning up file system errors. I did a bulidworld/installworld combo, and as far as I can tell everything else is working okay. Any suggestions? -- Matt White me.homepage[0] = "http://www.oakwood.k12.oh.us/staff/mwhite"; me.homepage[1] = "http://www.bunnynet.org"; me.email[0] = "mwhite@oakwood.k12.oh.us"; me.email[1] = "mwhite@donet.com"; me.email[2] = "s012mrw@discover.wright.edu"; me.email[3] = "bunny@bunnynet.org"; me.email[4] = "matt-white@usa.net"; The message was brought to you by the letters B, S and D. Linux: The choice of a GNUtered generation! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 25 15:24:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08255 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:24:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cybcon.com (root@mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08210 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from support1.cybcon.com (support1.cybcon.com [205.147.76.99]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA08812; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980725175847.15249@oakwood.k12.oh.us> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: wwoods@cybcon.com From: William Woods To: Matt White Subject: RE: Linux emulation in 2.2.7? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmmm....I have 2.2.7 installed, did a cvsup and makeworld and run Linux bins fine....Is emulation being turned on? On 25-Jul-98 Matt White wrote: > Hello... > > Ever since I upgraded to 2.2.7-STABLE I have been unable to run Linux > binaries. The program will start, and maybe run for a second or two, but > then system acts like it's frozen. Once it acts like it's frozen it will > reboot fsck does it's job cleaning up file system errors. > > I did a bulidworld/installworld combo, and as far as I can tell everything > else is working okay. > > Any suggestions? > > ---------------------------- William Woods --> FreeBSD 2.2.7 <-- Date: 25-Jul-98 Time: 15:16:58 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 25 16:01:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12364 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cinnamon.michvhf.com (cinnamon.michvhf.com [209.57.60.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12359 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 20888 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1998 23:00:58 -0000 Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (209.57.60.12) by cinnamon.michvhf.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1998 23:00:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:00:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Problem compiling stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Today's cvsup (this evening actually) and I get this: c++ -fpic -DPIC -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/g++ -O -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libg++/include -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/g++ -I. -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libg++/include -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libg++/libio -I/usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libg++/libstdc++ -fno-implicit-templates -DD -DMAIN -DADDCC -DADDCF -DADDFC -DSUBCC -DSUBCF -DSUBFC -DMULCC -DMULCF -DMULFC -DDIVCC -DDIVCF -DDIVFC -DPLUS -DMINUS -DEQCC -DEQCF -DEQFC -DNECC -DNECF -DNEFC -DABS -DARG -DPOLAR -DCONJ -DNORM -DCOS -DCOSH -DEXP -DLOG -DPOWCC -DPOWCF -DPOWCI -DPOWFC -DSIN -DSINH -DSQRT -c /usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libg++/libstdc++/cinst.cc -o dcomplex.so /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/g++/std/complext.h: In function `class complex operator -(const class complex &)': In file included from /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/g++/std/complext.h:315, from /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/g++/std/complex.h:7, from /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/g++/std/complext.cc:28, from /usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libg++/libstdc++/cinst.cc:29: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/g++/std/complext.h:201: Internal compiler error. /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/g++/std/complext.h:201: Please submit a full bug report to `bug-g++@prep.ai.mit.edu'. *** Error code 1 as the last thing. I'm going to try make world again to see if it gets past it, but I figured I'd better share this here first. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Searchable Campground Listings http://www.camping-usa.com "There is no outfit less entitled to lecture me about bloat than the federal government" -- Tony Snow ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 25 19:55:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01246 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oak.oakwood.k12.oh.us (mwhite@oak.oakwood.k12.oh.us [156.63.171.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01228 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:55:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwhite@oak.oakwood.k12.oh.us) Received: (from mwhite@localhost) by oak.oakwood.k12.oh.us (8.8.8/8.8.7) id WAA20928; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:55:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwhite) Message-ID: <19980725225507.37554@oakwood.k12.oh.us> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:55:07 -0400 From: Matt White To: wwoods@cybcon.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux emulation in 2.2.7? References: <19980725175847.15249@oakwood.k12.oh.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from William Woods on Sat, Jul 25, 1998 at 03:22:57PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jul 25, 1998 at 03:22:57PM -0700, William Woods wrote: > Hmmm....I have 2.2.7 installed, did a cvsup and makeworld and run Linux bins > fine....Is emulation being turned on? Yeah, I see it at startup. And like I said, the application will start, but it dies after a few seconds. -- Matt White me.homepage[0] = "http://www.oakwood.k12.oh.us/staff/mwhite"; me.homepage[1] = "http://www.bunnynet.org"; me.email[0] = "mwhite@oakwood.k12.oh.us"; me.email[1] = "mwhite@donet.com"; me.email[2] = "s012mrw@discover.wright.edu"; me.email[3] = "bunny@bunnynet.org"; me.email[4] = "matt-white@usa.net"; The message was brought to you by the letters B, S and D. Linux: The choice of a GNUtered generation! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 25 20:39:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05858 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:39:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from prefetch-atm.san.rr.com (ns1.san.rr.com [204.210.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05853 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erich@compecon.com) Received: from compecon.com (dt082nc1.san.rr.com [204.210.24.193]) by prefetch-atm.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09335; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35BAA49D.E2102342@compecon.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:38:05 +0000 From: unsafe at any speed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt White CC: wwoods@cybcon.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux emulation in 2.2.7? References: <19980725175847.15249@oakwood.k12.oh.us> <19980725225507.37554@oakwood.k12.oh.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matt White wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 25, 1998 at 03:22:57PM -0700, William Woods wrote: > > Hmmm....I have 2.2.7 installed, did a cvsup and makeworld and run Linux bins > > fine....Is emulation being turned on? > > Yeah, I see it at startup. > > And like I said, the application will start, but it dies after a few > seconds. For an additional data point, I cvsup'ed today (25 Jul 1998), and I am writing this in the Linux version of Netscape without any problems. Are you sure you cvsup'ed your LKM source along with everything else? I have heard of screwy problems like this when the kernel and LKMs (in this case, the linux one) get out of sync. Eric Hedstrom erich@compecon.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 25 20:43:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06334 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:43:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hoflink.com (root@hoflink.com [199.173.65.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06328 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:43:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikeg@hoflink.com) Received: from hoflink.com (ppp26.hoflink.com [199.173.65.126]) by hoflink.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA00839 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35BAA5BA.52CEF4E0@hoflink.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:42:50 -0400 From: mikeg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux emulation in 2.2.7? References: <19980725175847.15249@oakwood.k12.oh.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matt White wrote: > Hello... > > Ever since I upgraded to 2.2.7-STABLE I have been unable to run Linux > binaries. The program will start, and maybe run for a second or two, but > then system acts like it's frozen. Once it acts like it's frozen it will > reboot fsck does it's job cleaning up file system errors. > > I did a bulidworld/installworld combo, and as far as I can tell everything > else is working okay. > > Any suggestions? I'm assuming you also re-built the kernel, if not that might be the problem. > > > > -- > Matt White > > me.homepage[0] = "http://www.oakwood.k12.oh.us/staff/mwhite"; > me.homepage[1] = "http://www.bunnynet.org"; > me.email[0] = "mwhite@oakwood.k12.oh.us"; > me.email[1] = "mwhite@donet.com"; > me.email[2] = "s012mrw@discover.wright.edu"; > me.email[3] = "bunny@bunnynet.org"; > me.email[4] = "matt-white@usa.net"; > > The message was brought to you by the letters B, S and D. > > Linux: The choice of a GNUtered generation! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 25 21:26:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09331 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ppc1.cybertime.ch (ppc1.cybertime.ch [194.191.120.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA09324 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pajarola@cybertime.ch) Received: from tyr.cybertime.ch by ppc1.cybertime.ch (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17002; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 06:25:11 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980726062451.00742df8@www.dlc.cybertime.ch> X-Sender: pajarola@www.dlc.cybertime.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 06:26:38 +0200 To: Karl Pielorz From: Rico Pajarola Subject: Re: MX CNAME Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:35 24.07.98 +0100, you wrote: >I am a little confused now... so was I when I first encountered this problem ;) >Imagine we have a DNS server, which runs on a machine called >'skyhawk.domain.com', we think we're being clever by setting up a CNAME which is >'dns0.domain.com' which in turn points to 'skyhawk.domain.com'. > >Why do this? - So that when/if we move our DNS server all our Internic records >which point to 'dns0.domain.com' can be moved easily (by changing the CNAME). I did this some time ago, and it didn't work very well, ie, nothing complained, but it dind't work for some clients, and murphy's law says that it's your paying (and not very patient) customer who finds out first :) The difference between a NS reference to a CNAME and two A records pointing to the same IP address is that the error with the 2 A records only shows up if you're doing additional database consistency checks (which aren't necessary for looking up the data), while an NS -> CNAME is plain wrong, and some broken clients (eg some M$ products) just can't resolve them. >I don't mind using 'IN A' records for this - but isn't this going to muck up? >e.g. > >$ORIGIN = "domain.com" >skyhawk IN A 192.168.100.1 >dns0 IN A 192.168.100.1 > >Isn't this going to muckup people who do reverse DNS queries? If they resolve >'dns0.domain.com' they will get '192.168.100.1' which reverse to >'skyhawk.domain.com' - which isn't going to please too many paranoid >wrappers?/people? > >The only other choice is to put 'skyhawk.domain.com' in the Internic records, >and hope that machine's role never changes? I don't think that a lot of people will do reverse lookups on your DNS server (at least not when doing queries), but the best way to go (if you have an ip address to waste) would be to make an alias ip (using ifconfig alias) and using this for your dns server, and if you're using bind 8.x, you can limit your dns to use this address exclusively. If the machine's role ever changes, you don't even have to change any DNS database files, you just take down the alias (ifconfig delete), set up the same alias on the new machine, fire up the dns server (or send it a HUP signal to recognize the new address), and there you are, you moved your nameserver to another machine, and don't even have DNS cache problems (which can be very nasty, as bad old DNS data can stay in caches for weeks, if you didn't change the ttl values early enough) Another method would be to make dns0 the A record, and skyhawk the CNAME (not very beautiful though) >Maybe I'm just getting confused? (Hence the mail, you seem to know what your >talking about... ) I learnt it by doing it wrong first 8-> Everything clear now? Rico Pajarola To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 25 22:14:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13067 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:14:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13062 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:14:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bahwi@technologist.com) Received: from cs1 (pm2-70.cityscope.net [209.16.48.70]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA27525 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 00:22:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807260522.AAA27525@cs1.cityscope.net> From: "Bahwi Malistyr" Organization: http://www.cityscope.net/~bahwi/home.html To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 00:13:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Modem problems Reply-to: bahwi@technologist.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'd really like to install FreeBSD again, and this time it gets 3 gigs instead of one. I am using the latest boot disk, got it over 30 mins ago. (midnight central time) and get it all ready, go to media, ftp site, /dev/cuaa2 (2.2.5 and 2.2.6 could NOT find the modem there, 2.2.7 does so I can finally use FreeBSD again) On alt-f2(the errors area) I get a "silo overflow" or something like that. I dial in, it seems weird, I only get the character before last shown to me when I type, and for newlines, nothing until I type something. I backspace it and enter my username and password, it tells me PPP connection from blah blah to blah blah beginning. The term switches into packet mode on it's own, and tells me something like this(forgive my memory) "NewPhase: Network" "NewPhase: Authenticate" for a bit then "NewPhase: Terminate" twice and then hangs up. I haven't had FreeBSD on my home system for so long. The error may be my modem, although when it worked with FreeBSD 2.2.5(long story) it never gave me that error, nor when I user a terminal program in Win95 and Dos. Any help/suggestions are appreciated. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message