From owner-freebsd-tokenring Wed Apr 15 09:59:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09824 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199804151659.JAA09824@hub.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-tokenring-outgoing Subject: asdf asdf From owner-freebsd-tokenring Wed Apr 15 10:02:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10512 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199804151702.KAA10512@hub.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-tokenring-outgoing Subject: cant fork grrr... From owner-freebsd-tokenring Wed Apr 15 13:45:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08853 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08831 for tokenring; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:45:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199804152045.NAA08831@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: test To: tokenring Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:45:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG test tokenring jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Wed Apr 15 14:04:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14245 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:04:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from snoopy.lucentmmit (smtp.Lucentmmit.com [38.160.171.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14006 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:03:31 GMT (envelope-from MCambria@lucent.com) Received: by smtp.Lucentmmit.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2BP7WSRT>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:16:58 -0400 Message-ID: <813D2854D1B0D1118236006097177581036AE4@smtp.Lucentmmit.com> From: "Cambria, Mike" To: "'FreeBSD-tokenring@freebsd.org'" Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:16:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe mcambria@lucent.com Michael C. Cambria end Michael C. Cambria Lucent Technologies Member of Technical Staff Bell Labs Innovations Voice: (978) 287 - 2807 300 Baker Avenue Fax: (978) 287 - 2810 Concord, Massachusetts 01742 Internet: mcambria@lucent.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Wed Apr 15 14:47:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23059 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (ext-ns2.baynetworks.com [134.177.3.16] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22940 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:46:27 GMT (envelope-from George_Morgan@BayNetworks.COM) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (screen2r.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.1]) by smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22601 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.corpwest.BayNetworks.COM (ns2.corpwest.baynetworks.com [134.177.1.22]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10284 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sc-mail2.corpwest.BayNetworks.com (sc-mail2-hme0.corpwest.baynetworks.com [134.177.1.56]) by ns2.corpwest.BayNetworks.COM (SMI-8.6/BNET-97/05/05-S) with SMTP id OAA29297; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:43:43 -0700 for Received: from gmorgan-pc (gmorgan-pc.corpwest.baynetworks.com [134.177.25.229]) by sc-mail2.corpwest.BayNetworks.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0529 ID# 0-13459) with SMTP id AAA3255 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:43:41 -0700 From: George_Morgan@BayNetworks.COM (George Morgan) To: freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:45:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: LLC Spec. Outline (monospaced view) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Message-ID: <19980415214341.AAA3255@gmorgan-pc.corpwest.baynetworks.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, here is what 802.2 says to me (so far): LLC |---------|----------| Class I Class II | |----------|----------| |-> Connectionless Connection-based | | |-Data Transfer Services |-Request |-Connect |-Indicate | |-Request | |-Indicate | |-Confirm |-Data Transfer | |-Request | |-Indicate | |-Confirm |-Disconnect | |-Request | |-Indicate | |-Confirm |-Reset Connection | |-Request | |-Indicate | |-Confirm |-Flow Control | |-Request | |-Indicate And this is only the beginning!!!! Ethernet only requires a Class I LLC interface so you can guess why they did not write a Class II LLC or even see the need to partition the LLC into a separate .c file. I recommend that we try to modify the kernel as follows: FreeBSD Kernel | |-----------------------| Current Ethernet LLC |-------|-------| 802.3 802.4 802.5 ENET ??? TokRng This says, that if we can patch in our own LLC layer and leave the existing Ethernet intact and then figure out how to merge the current Ethernet over to our new setup, then we might be able to ignore some of the more horrible code the exists currently... Just an idea; what do you think? George Morgan Bay Networks gmorgan@baynetworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Wed Apr 15 17:14:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01205 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:14:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01111; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:13:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA04710; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:45:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TODO: sys/netccitt/llc* Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, we've got nearly all the 802.2 LLC bits (in a decayed form) in sys/netccitt/llc*. If we could pull these out of the attic I'll see about merging the fixes from NetBSD. Any takers? /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Wed Apr 15 18:17:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21103 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:17:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@sword.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20926 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zbuday@lightspeed.bc.ca) Received: from light33.lightspeed.bc.ca (light33.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.33]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA12498 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804160104.SAA12498@sword.lightspeed.bc.ca> X-Sender: zbuday@lightspeed.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:04:10 -0700 To: FreeBSD-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG From: zbuday@lightspeed.bc.ca (Gölök ZLF Buday (aka Court Jester)) Subject: Subscribe Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Wed Apr 15 18:50:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27130 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27042 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:49:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA06077 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: LLC Spec. Outline (monospaced view) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: George_Morgan@BayNetworks.COM (George Morgan) > > Well, here is what 802.2 says to me (so far): > > LLC > |---------|----------| > Class I Class II > | |----------|----------| > |-> Connectionless Connection-based > | | > |-Data Transfer Services > |-Request |-Connect > |-Indicate | |-Request > | |-Indicate > | |-Confirm > |-Data Transfer > | |-Request > | |-Indicate > | |-Confirm > |-Disconnect > | |-Request > | |-Indicate > | |-Confirm > |-Reset Connection > | |-Request > | |-Indicate > | |-Confirm > |-Flow Control > | |-Request > | |-Indicate Looks good. > And this is only the beginning!!!! Ethernet only > requires a Class I LLC interface so you can guess why > they did not write a Class II LLC or even see the need > to partition the LLC into a separate .c file. I > recommend that we try to modify the kernel as follows: Actually the stuff we're using now for IP and IPX is Ethernet_II. A bit different (in the sense that its fairly simple in nature. > > FreeBSD Kernel > | > |-----------------------| > Current Ethernet LLC > |-------|-------| > 802.3 802.4 802.5 > ENET ??? TokRng I think we want something like the following: ether_input() - \ +--- 802_3_input() ----- | \ | +--- 802_2_input() | | | +--- IPX_input() | | | +--- IP_input() | | | (etc) | +--- Ethernet_II_input() ------- \ +--- IP_input() | +--- IPX_input() | (etc) (I think) > This says, that if we can patch in our own LLC layer and > leave the existing Ethernet intact and then figure out > how to merge the current Ethernet over to our new setup, > then we might be able to ignore some of the more > horrible code the exists currently... Our new setup should involve no more than another CASE in the ether_input() routine. The ARP code is going to need some work though. /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Wed Apr 15 20:45:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17876 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:45:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mooseriver.com ([209.24.235.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17805 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:45:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA16598; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980415204502.16286@mooseriver.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:45:02 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG auth b4c8dd2e subscribe freebsd-tokenring \ jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.5 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Thu Apr 16 07:06:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11370 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (ns1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11275 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from George_Morgan@BayNetworks.COM) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (screen2r.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.1]) by smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14812 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.corpwest.BayNetworks.COM (ns2.corpwest.baynetworks.com [134.177.1.22]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14559 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sc-mail2.corpwest.BayNetworks.com (sc-mail2-hme0.corpwest.baynetworks.com [134.177.1.56]) by ns2.corpwest.BayNetworks.COM (SMI-8.6/BNET-97/05/05-S) with SMTP id HAA17130; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:03:09 -0700 for Received: from gmorgan-pc (gmorgan-pc.corpwest.baynetworks.com [134.177.25.229]) by sc-mail2.corpwest.BayNetworks.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0529 ID# 0-13459) with SMTP id AAA22843 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:03:09 -0700 From: George_Morgan@BayNetworks.COM (George Morgan) To: freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:05:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: LLC Spec. Outline (monospaced view) In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Message-ID: <19980416140308.AAA22843@gmorgan-pc.corpwest.baynetworks.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Actually the stuff we're using now for IP and IPX is Ethernet_II. A bit > different (in the sense that its fairly simple in nature. I'll have to look up some info on Ethernet_II... > I think we want something like the following: > > ether_input() - > \ > +--- 802_3_input() ----- > | \ > | +--- 802_2_input() > | | > | +--- IPX_input() > | | > | +--- IP_input() > | | > | (etc) > | > +--- Ethernet_II_input() ------- > \ > +--- IP_input() > | > +--- IPX_input() > | > (etc) > > > (I think) Well, you know more about the current networking than I do. If we really want to do this like a software engineering project, then we should probably define what procedures, functions and the like that we will need. Then define the interface for each and divide up the work. This way we can each make our own code (commented fairly well, hopefully) and then put all the pieces together when they are done. If I ever understand the way everything currently works then I would be happy to work on documenting it (and our additions) > Our new setup should involve no more than another CASE in the > ether_input() routine. > > The ARP code is going to need some work though. I kind of imagined that... :) George Morgan Bay Networks gmorgan@baynetworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Thu Apr 16 07:47:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17091 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:47:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heathers2.stdio.com (root@heathers2.stdio.com [199.89.192.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17045 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:46:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lile@stdio.com) Received: (from lile@localhost) by heathers2.stdio.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12629; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:18:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Larry S. Lile" To: George Morgan cc: freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LLC Spec. Outline (monospaced view) In-Reply-To: <19980416140308.AAA22843@gmorgan-pc.corpwest.baynetworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, George Morgan wrote: > > > Actually the stuff we're using now for IP and IPX is Ethernet_II. A bit > > different (in the sense that its fairly simple in nature. > > I'll have to look up some info on Ethernet_II... > > > I think we want something like the following: > > > > ether_input() - > > \ > > +--- 802_3_input() ----- > > | \ > > | +--- 802_2_input() > > | | > > | +--- IPX_input() > > | | > > | +--- IP_input() > > | | > > | (etc) > > | > > +--- Ethernet_II_input() ------- > > \ > > +--- IP_input() > > | > > +--- IPX_input() > > | > > (etc) > > > > > > (I think) > > Well, you know more about the current networking than I do. If we really want > to do this like a software engineering project, then we should probably define > what procedures, functions and the like that we will need. Then define the > interface for each and divide up the work. This way we can each make our own > code (commented fairly well, hopefully) and then put all the pieces together > when they are done. If I ever understand the way everything currently works > then I would be happy to work on documenting it (and our additions) > > > Our new setup should involve no more than another CASE in the > > ether_input() routine. > > > > The ARP code is going to need some work though. > > I kind of imagined that... :) Okay so what are we going to do for a source repository? And speaking of which how the %&#*@ do get the netccit stuff out of the Attic and onto my development box? (using cvsup) Larry lile@stdio.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Thu Apr 16 08:00:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20422 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20410 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA15929; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:59:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" Reply-To: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: "yLarry S. Lile" cc: George Morgan , freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LLC Spec. Outline (monospaced view) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Larry S. Lile wrote: > Okay so what are we going to do for a source repository? And speaking > of which how the %&#*@ do get the netccit stuff out of the Attic and > onto my development box? (using cvsup) After speaking to Garrett Wollman and re-reading the Mach code, it appears we won't really have to do any more LLC support than already exists in the FDDI drivers. Regardless, we don't really need all the sys/netccitt/ stuff. As for source, we probably want to 1. Get some written. and 2. before we start writing code, decide what actually needs to be done and make sure we understand how it all fits together. /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Thu Apr 16 08:15:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22461 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (ns1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22453 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:15:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from George_Morgan@BayNetworks.COM) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (screen2r.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.1]) by smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21127 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.corpwest.BayNetworks.COM (ns2.corpwest.baynetworks.com [134.177.1.22]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20251 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sc-mail2.corpwest.BayNetworks.com (sc-mail2-hme0.corpwest.baynetworks.com [134.177.1.56]) by ns2.corpwest.BayNetworks.COM (SMI-8.6/BNET-97/05/05-S) with SMTP id IAA27255; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:12:53 -0700 for Received: from gmorgan-pc (gmorgan-pc.corpwest.baynetworks.com [134.177.25.229]) by sc-mail2.corpwest.BayNetworks.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0529 ID# 0-13459) with SMTP id AAA7527 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:12:52 -0700 From: George_Morgan@BayNetworks.COM (George Morgan) To: freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:15:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: How does this work? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) Message-ID: <19980416151252.AAA7527@gmorgan-pc.corpwest.baynetworks.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We need to figure out how we can respond to each other's messages without getting 2-3 copies of each reply... I had five messages waiting for me that contained 2 messages worth of writing. I think we are all (Matt, Larry, and I) members of freebsd-token ring, right??? So should we get the listserv changed to add a "Send Reply To:" entry that sends the reply to the listserv??? George Morgan Bay Networks gmorgan@baynetworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Thu Apr 16 08:15:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22466 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:15:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from charon.ccnvhi.com (wkstn.ccnvhi.com [207.247.3.162] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA22449 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:15:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pnorton@ccnvhi.com) Received: by charon.ccnvhi.com; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA31027; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:15:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:15:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199804161515.IAA04953@grumpy.ccnvhi.com> From: Paul Norton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: George_Morgan@BayNetworks.COM (George Morgan) Cc: tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Current LLC Implementation in Ethernet Support... In-Reply-To: <19980415170516.AAA25683@gmorgan-pc.corpwest.baynetworks.com> References: <19980415170516.AAA25683@gmorgan-pc.corpwest.baynetworks.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For IP and IPX over token-ring you only need Class I. George Morgan writes: > Does anyone know where the LLC support code is in the FreeBSD ethernet > code? I am working on a project that will upgrade this section from Class I > support (all that is needed for Ethernet) to Class II support (support for Token > Ring and other transports that require connection based services) > > Or, is the LLC already Class II (supports connectionless [Ethernet] and > connection based communication) > > > George Morgan > Bay Networks > gmorgan@baynetworks.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Thu Apr 16 08:20:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23351 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:20:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heathers2.stdio.com (lile@heathers2.stdio.com [199.89.192.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23335 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:20:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lile@stdio.com) Received: (from lile@localhost) by heathers2.stdio.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13769; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:18:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Larry S. Lile" To: freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How does this work? In-Reply-To: <19980416151252.AAA7527@gmorgan-pc.corpwest.baynetworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We probably just need to start paying more attention to the cc: line. I will be the first to admit that I haven't been checking it. Bad list member *ouch*! Larry lile@stdio.com On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, George Morgan wrote: > We need to figure out how we can respond to each other's messages without > getting 2-3 copies of each reply... I had five messages waiting for me that > contained 2 messages worth of writing. I think we are all (Matt, Larry, and I) > members of freebsd-token ring, right??? > > So should we get the listserv changed to add a "Send Reply To:" entry that > sends the reply to the listserv??? > > > George Morgan > Bay Networks > gmorgan@baynetworks.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Thu Apr 16 08:23:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23868 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23848 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:23:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26634; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:23:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id KAA01614; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:23:03 -0500 Message-ID: <19980416102303.42130@right.PCS> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:23:03 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: "yLarry S. Lile" , George Morgan , freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LLC Spec. Outline (monospaced view) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew N. Dodd on Apr 04, 1998 at 10:59:53AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Apr 04, 1998 at 10:59:53AM -0400, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Larry S. Lile wrote: > > Okay so what are we going to do for a source repository? And speaking > > of which how the %&#*@ do get the netccit stuff out of the Attic and > > onto my development box? (using cvsup) Garret killed the netccitt stuff was killed at '1996/02/06 21:07:22'. So if you set your cvs ``date='' tag just before this, you can get the bits before they were removed. Using a collection of src-sys, with a filter of ``src/sys/netccitt'' would give you only the netccitt code. Alternatively, if you have the CVS tree, executing `cvs co sys_netccitt; cvs update -D2/5/96' works, too. > As for source, we probably want to 1. Get some written. and 2. before we > start writing code, decide what actually needs to be done and make sure we > understand how it all fits together. I think that this is probably a good strategy. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Thu Apr 16 09:12:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06814 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:12:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06772 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:12:36 GMT (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA16869; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:11:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: "Cambria, Mike" cc: freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FW: LLC Spec. Outline (monospaced view) In-Reply-To: <813D2854D1B0D1118236006097177581036AEF@smtp.Lucentmmit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Cambria, Mike wrote: > Level 0 vs. Level 1? I'm more of an IEEE type than an ITEF type. I'll > pull the RFC and see if it definces Level 0 etc. > > Since you mentioned "connectionless" with Level 0, I'll infer LLC Type 1 > == Level 0. So it seems that there will be no LLC2 (ie. connection > based) work. Thus, there is no desire to support NetBIOS? SNA? I'm just repeating the terminology that Garrett used. You are correct however, token-ring will require only a complete type 1 implementation. I'm not opposed to supporting NetBIOS and SNA but I want to make sure that we aren't biting off more than we can chew right now. I think a safe approach would be to do a complete type 1 implementation and reduce the amount of code duplication in the FDDI subsystem, add 802.3 support to the ethernet subsystem and figure out how we are going to support multiple frame types. This is something ifconfig will have to be able to deal with... How will we store frame type information in the ifaddr/ifnet structure? How will we deal with differing MTU sizes on the same interface? Will we do something like this? de0: flags=8802 Frame: ethernet_II MTU: 1500 inet 207.153.65.3 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 207.153.65.255 inet 207.153.65.4 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 207.153.65.4 ipx f00f.e8c4a06f frame: ethernet_802.3 MTU: 1492 inet 10.0.10.12 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 ipx f00d.e8c4a06f ether 00:c0:95:f0:25:f4 media: 10baseT/UTP status: active > If the goal is to run IP/IPX over token ring, then LLC1 (ie. > connectionless 802.2) is indeed all that is needed. I do it all the > time. Cool. Thats what I suspected. I'm not going to vote to close any doors but at this point we should only implement the code that we need. /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Thu Apr 16 09:14:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07252 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07178 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:13:57 GMT (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA16507 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:44:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DOC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1042.txt /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Thu Apr 16 10:35:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24376 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:35:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24016 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:34:12 GMT (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA17888 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:34:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How does this work? In-Reply-To: <19980416151252.AAA7527@gmorgan-pc.corpwest.baynetworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, George Morgan wrote: > We need to figure out how we can respond to each other's messages without > getting 2-3 copies of each reply... I had five messages waiting for me that > contained 2 messages worth of writing. I think we are all (Matt, Larry, and I) > members of freebsd-token ring, right??? > > So should we get the listserv changed to add a "Send Reply To:" entry that > sends the reply to the listserv??? That would work. :) /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-tokenring Fri Apr 17 03:18:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22569 for freebsd-tokenring-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw.izhavia.udm.ru (root@[195.9.67.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22563 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:18:49 GMT (envelope-from slava@izhavia.udm.ru) Received: from 195.9.67.33 (ppp.izhavia.udm.ru [195.9.67.45]) by gw.izhavia.udm.ru (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06412 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:24:56 +0500 (KSD) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:24:00 0400 From: Slava Borisov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.00 Preview 1) Registered to RIT Research Labs Reply-To: Slava Borisov Organization: RatCatchery Message-ID: <11641.980417@izhavia.udm.ru> To: FreeBSD-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PnP audio card AWE32 trouble Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-tokenring@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ! How can I use my PnP audio card AWE32 with freebsd ? FreeBSD cannot recognize my card. I must load before dos drivers, who configure my PnP card, and then reboot and load FreeBSD. Where I can obtain these drivers for AWE32 for FreeBSD ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-tokenring" in the body of the message