From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 00:23:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22359 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 00:23:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22354 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 00:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18156; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 01:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <36BD4D5E.EA0B5A06@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 01:22:54 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OK, here's the $10,000 question. References: <18349.918312777@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > Some of you like doing advocacy, but how many of you would feel both > willing and qualified to do it full time? As a job? How much $$$, and do I have to move to California? Or wear suits? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 02:12:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03608 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:12:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03600; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:12:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.57.35]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA124D; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:12:44 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:21:32 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Licia Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Sue Blake , Nicole Harrington , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Feb-99 Licia wrote: > On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Sue Blake wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 06, 1999 at 11:17:06PM -0600, Licia wrote: >> > (laughing) Ok, where does that leave -gay- women? :) >> Attracted to FreeBSD? :-) > ahh... that's why I like FreeBSD so much? > > (digging through /usr/src/ looking for the #include > statements!) *cough, choke, laugh* UGGGH, there went my tea again... Could ye lads 'n lasses please prefix something like FUN: in the subject line? That would make me put away my tea on forehand ;) Actually, on a sidenote, the number of female IT specialists if slowly growing afaik. Just curious which jobs/positions they fullfill as most I know/have known were more into management and other more `economic-related' positions than pure techiework such as coding, sysadmining or networkmanaging. --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven join #FreeBSD on Undernet asmodai(at)wxs.nl Time is merely a residue of Reality... Network/Security Specialist *BSD: Powered by Knowledge & Know-how To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 03:25:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12491 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:25:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA12307; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:25:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id WAA15058; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:24:41 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990207222432.36384@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:24:32 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Licia , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Nicole Harrington , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 11:21:32AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [moved to -chat (from -advocacy)] On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 11:21:32AM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > On 07-Feb-99 Licia wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Sue Blake wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 06, 1999 at 11:17:06PM -0600, Licia wrote: > > >> > (laughing) Ok, where does that leave -gay- women? :) > > >> Attracted to FreeBSD? :-) > > > ahh... that's why I like FreeBSD so much? > > > > (digging through /usr/src/ looking for the #include > > statements!) > > *cough, choke, laugh* > > UGGGH, there went my tea again... Could ye lads 'n lasses please prefix > something like FUN: in the subject line? That would make me put away my tea > on forehand ;) > > Actually, on a sidenote, the number of female IT specialists if slowly > growing afaik. Just curious which jobs/positions they fullfill as most I > know/have known were more into management and other more `economic-related' > positions than pure techiework such as coding, sysadmining or > networkmanaging. On the occasions I've been an employee, people have had a lot of trouble working out where to slot me in. It's like there's a slot at the bottom and a slot at the top, but nobody wants to see unusual people working at the benches like a Normal. It's OK to be an expert, to train people, to write about it, to boss people around and spend money, to present papers at prestigious national and international events, or to change policies that affect the working lives of millions; it's not OK to do the actual bloody work. I have no reason to put this down to being a woman, but it has happened most in situations where I was the only woman in the workplace, or in the whole industry, the only anglo-looking member of the Buddhist society, or the only recorder player in the symphony orchestra, the only FreeBSD user, or soemthing like that. Suddenly someone spots a spuriously wonderful talent, and instantly Cinderella becomes Mother Theresa and can't say fuck any more. It seems that any people who are different from others in a field are more easily accepted as exceptional people than as human beings with the standard range of skills and weaknesses. Think also of sports people belonging to racial minorities, university undergraduates older than 30, and the many blind musicians who have average talent. Treating someone as a god doesn't necessarily mean you can really handle them being there. Nor does it do much to help them. I don't know if this is what other women experience or what happens in IT, or not (no data to go on), but if it is, it's just part of a broader human nature stuffup. It's also yet another reason why we must get our numbers up quickly. When we're allowed to find our own level and fail a bit just like everyone else, we will be starting to succeed. Meanwhile, it looks like a larger than expected proportion of us, regardless of gender, are united by our mutual interest in women :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 03:49:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA15310 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:49:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA15296 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:49:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id UAA18368; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:49:21 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36BD6DB4.378D0542@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:40:52 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gregory Sutter CC: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mark Ovens , Wes Peters , Licia , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) References: <36BC82BF.9DAE2E55@uk.radan.com> <21406.918363748@zippy.cdrom.com> <19990206232935.H27505@orcrist.mediacity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gregory Sutter wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 06, 1999 at 09:02:28PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Look, let's just cut to the chase: We need more women in computing! > > Why? Because we're lonely and we want to date them, any other reasons > > being cited here by our male contingent being just self-serving > > attempts to sugar coat this most basic of facts. :-) > > Hmmm... jmb, I think we need a new mailing list here... > > geekdates@freebsd.org FOTCROTFLOLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! If I were committing something, I would have broken the world... :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org Well, as a computer geek, I have to believe in the binary universe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 03:49:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA15318 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:49:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA15291 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:49:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id UAA18351; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:49:16 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36BD6D4D.7F6976C3@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:39:09 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert CC: Wes Peters , marko@uk.radan.com, licia@o-o.org, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) References: <199902062145.OAA19715@usr02.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > How many of you have ever met "Jordan"? One of the most public > figures in terms of face-to-face on these lists, but can you tell > me, other than anecdotal information and references to possibly > forged pictures on WWW pages that could have been PhotoShop'ed > from those that came with a new picture fram or wallet, what > "Jordan" looks like? You mean.... Jordan is a woman??? :-) (sorry, I just couldn't resist... :) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org Well, as a computer geek, I have to believe in the binary universe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 03:50:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA15415 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:50:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA15324 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:49:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id UAA18389; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:49:34 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36BD71EA.B5F13E4B@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:58:50 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicole Harrington CC: Mason Loring Bliss , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Don Wilde Subject: Re: Is there a reseller program? - gone into overdrive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nicole Harrington wrote: > > Oh, these are the second best rants! (the first best rants being the caffeine induced ones, and the hour concur rants being the heavy drugs ones) > There is one thing I would like to see FreeBSD incorperate is the solaris > style patches. Linux has been known as the kernel de'jour as FreeBSD as stable I'd love AIX style patches. For that matter, Solaris is more likely to require a reboot after a patch than AIX. Much more likely. And, overall, everything in the AIX patches is a little bit more agreeable, making the whole a lot more agreeable. That's my experience, anyway. BUT, because we *do* have "make world", and lot's of variant kernel configurations, so that people can choose many different flags for compilation, and even change compiler if they are brave, binary patches are downright impossible. For -release's, we could do it (had we the basic infrastructure), at the price of people (wanting to apply the patches) giving up on -stable. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org Well, as a computer geek, I have to believe in the binary universe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 12:53:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12935 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:53:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12892 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:53:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA171499701; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:01:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:01:41 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Wes Peters Cc: Licia , "Daniel C. Sobral" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is there a reseller program? In-Reply-To: <36BA340E.BFE4E9B5@softweyr.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > Ugh, IRC. I gave that up about 4 months after it started; it became > painfully aware that it was just an extension of the Compu$serve "cb > channels," with about the same level of maturity. And this was in > 1994 -- I don't even want to imagine how much worse it is now. ;^) IRC has it's place. Technical support just happens not to be one of them. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 13:31:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17541 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:31:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17421 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:30:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA185391937; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:38:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:38:57 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OK, here's the $10,000 question. In-Reply-To: <18349.918312777@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Some of you like doing advocacy, but how many of you would feel both > willing and qualified to do it full time? As a job? Not if the subject indicates the salary. :> - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 15:19:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02901 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:19:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02882 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:19:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 109dTo-0006nH-00; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:19:10 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA01832; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:18:40 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (rasnt-1) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26621; Sun, 7 Feb 99 23:18:36 GMT Message-Id: <36BE1E3C.5FD3A7A7@uk.radan.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 23:14:04 +0000 From: Mark Ovens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Wes Peters Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) References: <36BB988A.48159D7B@uk.radan.com> <19990205222817.I6050@softweyr.com> <36BC82BF.9DAE2E55@uk.radan.com> <36BD4216.DB24B7E3@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters wrote: > > Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > And some not even then. Feel free to guess the gender of my offspring, > named Bailey. You have approximately a 50% chance of getting it right, > give or take 1%. My sister-in-law's firstborn is named Morgan. Wanna > guess at that one? ;^) > Go on then, I'll go for female on both. > > > > > Depending on who the > > > reader is, this will cause them to pay more or less attention to > > > the author, be more or less critical of their opinions, and more > > > or less patient with them. > > > > That should depend on the content of the message rather than the person > > who sent it, surely > > Should, but doesn't. We all have our prejudices, some less than others, > and some more controlled than others, but they're still there. > OK, but seeing as most people on these lists are intelligent, professional people is it not unreasonable to expect us to rise above them, at least in our posts? > > > All of these also apply to those of a different culture. > > > > > > I, in general, am more interested, less critical, and more patient, > > > but hey, that's just me. I'm also less likely to assume a woman > > > is an idiot, I'd rather assume she's just an expert at something > > > else. I know this makes me incredibly sexist, > > > > Not wishing to pass judgement on your opinions, but I can see some > > (all?) women reading this to consider that rather patronizing. > > So can I, but it still stands. I've been roundly cursed for opening > doors for women, by the women as they walk through them, but I'm not > about to stop. > Hmm, well that's just darn right rude. I was brought up the same way; open doors for ladies, giving up your seat on a bus etc. and I still do it now, without even thinking, I just do it automatically. > The women I've come to know, probably even a little bit, realize > it's not patronizing. I prefer to talk to women, they're so much > more able to carry on a conversation than the average male. Of > course, I don't spend much time with "average" males, either. ;^) > The problem is, of course, that conversing on the 'net is done blind, people don't really know you. > > > but in my experience > > > there ARE far more male jerks, morons, and madmen than female. ;^) > > > > Got to agree with you there :-( > > > > > I also try to cultivate helping relationships with people of > > > different cultures. I've met people over the net in Africa, Australia, > > > and England whom I now consider good friends, simply by answering > > > (or occasionally asking) a few questions. Who knows, I may someday > > > get the chance to share my home, or perhaps even theirs, simply for > > > the price of helping somebody with PPP, or DNS, or something else > > > that is relatively trivial for me. > > > > Yes, that's one of the great things about the international nature of > > the Internet, you can learn so much more than, in this case, FreeBSD. > > Someone recently took the time to explain the definition of "felony" and > > "misdemeanour" in the context of US law after a thread about spam, for > > example. > > One of the most interesting conversations I've had came about as a > result of helping a young man in England with a PPP problem. His > name is Robin and he works for the Sheriff of Nottingham. I asked > him if he gets a lot of people curious about this situation, and > he said mostly from yanks; apparently the story isn't that well- > known in England. ;^) > :-) > > > -- > > > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > > > > > > I don't know ;-) > > That's a culturally loaded joke, I don't expect anyone outside North > America to get it. I'm not too sure about outside the "American > Midwest," though it was originally given to me by a friend from central > California. He's very much more well-read than the average US citizen, > though. > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com -- Trust the computer industry to shorten Year 2000 to Y2K. It was this thinking that caused the problem in the first place. FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 18:38:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28759 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28748 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:38:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA25801; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:07:54 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) id NAA47419; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:07:51 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:07:51 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Wes Peters Cc: Licia , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) Message-ID: <19990208130751.A86778@freebie.lemis.com> References: <36BD4511.9D1273A9@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <36BD4511.9D1273A9@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 12:47:29AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 7 February 1999 at 0:47:29 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > Licia wrote: >> >> On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >>> Look, let's just cut to the chase: We need more women in computing! >>> Why? Because we're lonely and we want to date them, any other reasons >>> being cited here by our male contingent being just self-serving >>> attempts to sugar coat this most basic of facts. :-) >>> >>> P.S. I'm only half joking. >> >> (laughing) Ok, where does that leave -gay- women? :) > > Tragically mistaken? (At least from the standpoint of leaving Jordan > "high and dry.") > > I already caught mine, You married a lesbian? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 18:41:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29313 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:41:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29303 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA25824; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:11:19 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) id NAA47452; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:11:18 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:11:18 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Wes Peters Cc: Mark Ovens , Licia , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) Message-ID: <19990208131118.B86778@freebie.lemis.com> References: <36BB988A.48159D7B@uk.radan.com> <19990205222817.I6050@softweyr.com> <36BC82BF.9DAE2E55@uk.radan.com> <36BD4216.DB24B7E3@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <36BD4216.DB24B7E3@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 12:34:46AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 7 February 1999 at 0:34:46 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > Mark Ovens wrote: >> >> Wes Peters wrote: >>> >>> Overtly, no, but issues like race and gender always come up, it's >>> a factor of human life. Race is less apparent than gender in many >>> ways; often names boil down to simple categories of "vaguely >>> european", "vaguely oriential", and "I have no idea." If, on the >>> other hand, your name is Licia, Laura, or Sue, chances are pretty >>> good that most males of european descent are immediately going to >>> leap to the conclusion the poster is female. >> >> True, but then there are plenty of names where the gender is not obvious >> at all (except to residents of the poster's country). > > And some not even then. Feel free to guess the gender of my offspring, > named Bailey. You have approximately a 50% chance of getting it right, > give or take 1%. My sister-in-law's firstborn is named Morgan. Wanna > guess at that one? ;^) Filly? > One of the most interesting conversations I've had came about as a > result of helping a young man in England with a PPP problem. His > name is Robin and he works for the Sheriff of Nottingham. I asked > him if he gets a lot of people curious about this situation, and > he said mostly from yanks; apparently the story isn't that well- > known in England. ;^) Of course it is. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 18:47:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29807 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:47:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29800 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:47:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19774; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:46:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <36BE5007.53F1C198@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:46:31 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: Licia , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) References: <36BD4511.9D1273A9@softweyr.com> <19990208130751.A86778@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Sunday, 7 February 1999 at 0:47:29 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > Licia wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >>> Look, let's just cut to the chase: We need more women in computing! > >>> Why? Because we're lonely and we want to date them, any other reasons > >>> being cited here by our male contingent being just self-serving > >>> attempts to sugar coat this most basic of facts. :-) > >>> > >>> P.S. I'm only half joking. > >> > >> (laughing) Ok, where does that leave -gay- women? :) > > > > Tragically mistaken? (At least from the standpoint of leaving Jordan > > "high and dry.") > > > > I already caught mine, > > You married a lesbian? Yeah, I'm so manly I converted her. (From VMS to FreeBSD. To the best of my knowlege, she was not and is not a lesbian.) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 18:59:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01043 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:59:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01031 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:59:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19808; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:59:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <36BE5308.21DD581B@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:59:20 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: Mark Ovens , Licia , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) References: <36BB988A.48159D7B@uk.radan.com> <19990205222817.I6050@softweyr.com> <36BC82BF.9DAE2E55@uk.radan.com> <36BD4216.DB24B7E3@softweyr.com> <19990208131118.B86778@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Sunday, 7 February 1999 at 0:34:46 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > Mark Ovens wrote: > >> > >> Wes Peters wrote: > >>> > >>> Overtly, no, but issues like race and gender always come up, it's > >>> a factor of human life. Race is less apparent than gender in many > >>> ways; often names boil down to simple categories of "vaguely > >>> european", "vaguely oriential", and "I have no idea." If, on the > >>> other hand, your name is Licia, Laura, or Sue, chances are pretty > >>> good that most males of european descent are immediately going to > >>> leap to the conclusion the poster is female. > >> > >> True, but then there are plenty of names where the gender is not obvious > >> at all (except to residents of the poster's country). > > > > And some not even then. Feel free to guess the gender of my offspring, > > named Bailey. You have approximately a 50% chance of getting it right, > > give or take 1%. My sister-in-law's firstborn is named Morgan. Wanna > > guess at that one? ;^) > > Filly? Yes, but I've known "colts" named Bailey and Morgan both, too. > > One of the most interesting conversations I've had came about as a > > result of helping a young man in England with a PPP problem. His > > name is Robin and he works for the Sheriff of Nottingham. I asked > > him if he gets a lot of people curious about this situation, and > > he said mostly from yanks; apparently the story isn't that well- > > known in England. ;^) > > Of course it is. Can't possible be generally as well known as it is at my house, where we watch the video 3 or 4 times a day. Perhaps the yanks are just more amused by "Robin working for Sherriff of Nottingham" than brits? We asked Diane's friend Belinda, of London SW1, about this and she told us she was suprised at how popular the story is in America; in England it's just a snippet of history. Of course we have a nationwide predisposition to anyone who sticks it to the brits. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 7 22:13:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18545 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:13:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18530 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:13:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.57.74]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA7135; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:13:08 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <36BE5007.53F1C198@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 07:22:17 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Wes Peters Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Licia , Greg Lehey Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 08-Feb-99 Wes Peters wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> On Sunday, 7 February 1999 at 0:47:29 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: >> > Licia wrote: >> >> >> >> (laughing) Ok, where does that leave -gay- women? :) >> > >> > Tragically mistaken? (At least from the standpoint of leaving Jordan >> > "high and dry.") >> > >> > I already caught mine, >> >> You married a lesbian? > > Yeah, I'm so manly I converted her. > > (From VMS to FreeBSD. To the best of my knowlege, she was not and > is not a lesbian.) *G* Djeez, gotta love Techie humor... These are the kind of mails that get me all laughing behind my comp and the rest looking at me if I were some sort of idiot... *snickers off* --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven join #FreeBSD on Undernet asmodai(at)wxs.nl Time is merely a residue of Reality... Network/Security Specialist *BSD: Powered by Knowledge & Know-how To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 8 00:16:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01201 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:16:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01189 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:16:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 109lrS-000120-00; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:16:06 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA01410; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:15:34 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (gppsun4) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01954; Mon, 8 Feb 99 08:15:33 GMT Message-Id: <36BE9D02.A82D75DD@uk.radan.com> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 08:14:58 +0000 From: Mark Ovens Organization: Radan Computational Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en-GB Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Wes Peters Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) References: <36BB988A.48159D7B@uk.radan.com> <19990205222817.I6050@softweyr.com> <36BC82BF.9DAE2E55@uk.radan.com> <36BD4216.DB24B7E3@softweyr.com> <19990208131118.B86778@freebie.lemis.com> <36BE5308.21DD581B@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > On Sunday, 7 February 1999 at 0:34:46 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > > > > > One of the most interesting conversations I've had came about as a > > > result of helping a young man in England with a PPP problem. His > > > name is Robin and he works for the Sheriff of Nottingham. I asked > > > him if he gets a lot of people curious about this situation, and > > > he said mostly from yanks; apparently the story isn't that well- > > > known in England. ;^) > > > > Of course it is. > > Can't possible be generally as well known as it is at my house, where > we watch the video 3 or 4 times a day. > > Perhaps the yanks are just more amused by "Robin working for Sherriff > of Nottingham" than brits? We asked Diane's friend Belinda, of London > SW1, about this and she told us she was suprised at how popular the > story is in America; in England it's just a snippet of history. More a snippet of legend, supposedly based on fact, but with little historical evidence to support it. > Of course we have a nationwide predisposition to anyone who sticks it > to the brits. Thanks Wes, and I thought you were such a nice chap ;-) > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 8 01:18:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08216 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:18:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orcrist.mediacity.com (orcrist.mediacity.com [208.138.36.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA08207 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:18:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@orcrist.mediacity.com) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by orcrist.mediacity.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14903; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:18:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:18:44 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) Message-ID: <19990208011844.A27505@orcrist.mediacity.com> References: <36BC82BF.9DAE2E55@uk.radan.com> <21406.918363748@zippy.cdrom.com> <19990206232935.H27505@orcrist.mediacity.com> <36BD6DB4.378D0542@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <36BD6DB4.378D0542@newsguy.com>; from Daniel C. Sobral on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 07:40:52PM +0900 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 07:40:52PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Gregory Sutter wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 06, 1999 at 09:02:28PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Look, let's just cut to the chase: We need more women in computing! > > > Why? Because we're lonely and we want to date them, any other reasons > > > being cited here by our male contingent being just self-serving > > > attempts to sugar coat this most basic of facts. :-) > > > > Hmmm... jmb, I think we need a new mailing list here... > > > > geekdates@freebsd.org > > FOTCROTFLOLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Hmmm, fraid I'll have to ask for a translation here, because MARMHLIBNOACACOW[1]. [1] my acronym recognition mechanism has limits in both number of allowed characters and commonness of words. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Madness takes its toll. mailto:gsutter@pobox.com Please have exact change. http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 8 12:49:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28899 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:49:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28894 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:49:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id MAA18864; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id MAA18639; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:48:51 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id NAA06918; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: <36BF4DB2.BD50C9EE@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 13:48:50 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Ovens CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women, thieves, and rogues in FreeBSD References: <36BB988A.48159D7B@uk.radan.com> <19990205222817.I6050@softweyr.com> <36BC82BF.9DAE2E55@uk.radan.com> <36BD4216.DB24B7E3@softweyr.com> <19990208131118.B86778@freebie.lemis.com> <36BE5308.21DD581B@softweyr.com> <36BE9D02.A82D75DD@uk.radan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Ovens wrote: > > Wes Peters wrote: > > > > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > > > On Sunday, 7 February 1999 at 0:34:46 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > > > > > > > One of the most interesting conversations I've had came about as a > > > > result of helping a young man in England with a PPP problem. His > > > > name is Robin and he works for the Sheriff of Nottingham. I asked > > > > him if he gets a lot of people curious about this situation, and > > > > he said mostly from yanks; apparently the story isn't that well- > > > > known in England. ;^) > > > > > > Of course it is. > > > > Can't possible be generally as well known as it is at my house, where > > we watch the video 3 or 4 times a day. > > > > Perhaps the yanks are just more amused by "Robin working for Sherriff > > of Nottingham" than brits? We asked Diane's friend Belinda, of London > > SW1, about this and she told us she was suprised at how popular the > > story is in America; in England it's just a snippet of history. > > More a snippet of legend, supposedly based on fact, but with little > historical evidence to support it. > > > Of course we have a nationwide predisposition to anyone who sticks it > > to the brits. > > Thanks Wes, and I thought you were such a nice chap ;-) *THAT* was a mistake. ;^) It is significant, however, that most American historians begin the history of the USA with the Magna Carta. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 8 13:50:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09338 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:50:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09332 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:50:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23826; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:50:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd023725; Mon Feb 8 14:50:03 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01444; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:49:50 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199902082149.OAA01444@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) To: dcs@newsguy.com (Daniel C. Sobral) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:49:50 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, wes@softweyr.com, marko@uk.radan.com, licia@o-o.org, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <36BD6D4D.7F6976C3@newsguy.com> from "Daniel C. Sobral" at Feb 7, 99 07:39:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > How many of you have ever met "Jordan"? One of the most public > > figures in terms of face-to-face on these lists, but can you tell > > me, other than anecdotal information and references to possibly > > forged pictures on WWW pages that could have been PhotoShop'ed > > from those that came with a new picture fram or wallet, what > > "Jordan" looks like? > > You mean.... Jordan is a woman??? :-) > > (sorry, I just couldn't resist... :) The generally held belief on the lists several years ago was fairly evenly split between "caffinated ferret" and "perl script"; you can dig the discussion out of the archives, if you need to see the real McCoy. Soon after, Jordan put up a picture of himself on his WWW page. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 8 14:09:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11527 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:09:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11520 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:09:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-047.thuntek.net [207.66.52.47]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id PAA13719; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:09:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36BF6F65.F53513EC@thuntek.net> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:12:37 -0800 From: Don Wilde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) References: <199902082149.OAA01444@usr08.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > [snip] > see the real McCoy. Soon after, Jordan put up a picture of > himself on his WWW page. 8-). > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- All _I_ saw were pictures of lots and lots of cats.... ;-D -- oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ _________ ___==__ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde dwilde1@thuntek.net [ = = ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo---oo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 8 15:14:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21931 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:14:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21921 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:14:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id PAA20636; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA23723; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:12:47 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id QAA08514; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:12:39 -0700 Message-ID: <36BF6F67.13C3CD89@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:12:39 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert CC: "Daniel C. Sobral" , marko@uk.radan.com, licia@o-o.org, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) References: <199902082149.OAA01444@usr08.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > How many of you have ever met "Jordan"? One of the most public > > > figures in terms of face-to-face on these lists, but can you tell > > > me, other than anecdotal information and references to possibly > > > forged pictures on WWW pages that could have been PhotoShop'ed > > > from those that came with a new picture fram or wallet, what > > > "Jordan" looks like? > > > > You mean.... Jordan is a woman??? :-) > > > > (sorry, I just couldn't resist... :) > > The generally held belief on the lists several years ago was > fairly evenly split between "caffinated ferret" and "perl script"; > you can dig the discussion out of the archives, if you need to > see the real McCoy. Soon after, Jordan put up a picture of > himself on his WWW page. 8-). Yeah, sure, like any of us are going to fall for that old ploy. Who's to say the Perl script cannot generate high-resolution graphics? See for instance: http://starbulletin.com/1999/01/15/features/story1x.html -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Feb 9 07:01:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25251 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:01:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25245 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:01:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jackv@earthling.net) Received: from jackv (adsl-209-76-108-106.dsl.pacbell.net [209.76.108.106]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id GAA13960 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:57:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000301be543d$16c68600$6a6c4cd1@jackv.pacbell.net> Reply-To: "Jack Velte" From: "Jack Velte" To: Subject: redhad pr Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:01:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tuesday February 9, 9:57 AM (EST) LINUX CONTINUES MAINSTREAM ACCEPTANCE Major Reseller Now Offers Pre-Loaded Linux Workstations RALEIGH, N.C., Feb. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- One of the country's top marketers of OS/2 hardware and software products today introduced Atlas, a pre-loaded Linux workstation designed for individuals and organizations that need a system offering more stability and configurability than other popular operating systems. Indelible Blue, Inc., the country's #1 reseller of OS/2 and an IBM/Lotus direct channel partner, broadened its Linux selection today with the announcement of Atlas, a workstation pre-loaded with Red Hat Linux version 5.2. The workstation enhances Indelible Blue's continually growing line of commercially available Linux application software and development tools. The name Atlas comes from the character in Greek mythology that carries the sky on his shoulders, representing great strength and stability. Indelible Blue's system is designed to carry the weight of most any computing task with the highest degree of stability and performance. Preloaded with Red Hat Linux version 5.2, Atlas comes in a variety of Intel processor and hard drive configurations (IDE and SCSI), and all models come standard with 128 megs of synchronous DRAM, 40x CD-ROM, sound card, and an 8 meg Matrox Millenium video card. Prices start at just under $1,300. For businesses or individuals requiring more than one computing environment, multiple operating system pre-loads are available (Windows 98/Linux, Windows NT/Linux, and OS/2/Linux), leveraging Indelible Blue's years of experience in custom OS configurations. Future Linux hardware plans include servers configured for specific duties such as firewall and IP routing. Indelible Blue is also considering pre- loading Linux on IBM ThinkPads as soon as additional hardware support is available. More information on Atlas is located at www.indelible- blue.com/hardware. Better Platform, Better Performance The addition of the Atlas workstation into Indelible Blue's Linux selection allows businesses of any size to easily target or migrate systems to the Linux platform, and reap the undisputed benefits of this flexible, powerful, scalable, and reliable enterprise desktop and server operating system. "Our goal with Atlas was to build a Linux system that is ready to run out of the box. With Atlas, you can begin work immediately instead of having to work on the operating system itself," says Buck Bohac, president of Indelible Blue, in Raleigh, NC. "I also feel comfortable saying that we are probably the only company offering OS/2 and Linux pre-loaded on the same machine." About Indelible Blue Indelible Blue is the country's #1 OS/2 software and hardware supplier offering buyers a true choice in their computing solutions. Providing one-stop shopping and competitive pricing for thousands of popular software titles and hardware products, Indelible Blue specializes in solutions for OS/2, IBM/Lotus, Linux, and Java. Indelible Blue also builds custom configured hardware systems with preloaded, pretested software configurations to meet the most challenging specifications. Indelible Blue can be reached at 1-800-776-8284, or via e-mail at sales@indelible-blue.com, or on the Web at www.indelible-blue.com . SOURCE Indelible Blue -0- 02/09/99 /CONTACT: Howard Wood, Indelible Blue Inc., 919-878-9700, howard@indelible-blue.com/ /Web site: http://www.indelible-blue.com/ CO: Indelible Blue ST: North Carolina IN: CPR SU: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Feb 10 04:43:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21702 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:43:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21629 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:42:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA38386 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:43:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/features.html Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:43:08 -0800 Message-ID: <38334.918650588@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This page is somewhat stale - any volunteers for updating it? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Feb 10 08:24:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18016 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:24:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18008 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:24:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id RAA14290; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:23:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Gregory Sutter Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) References: <36BC82BF.9DAE2E55@uk.radan.com> <21406.918363748@zippy.cdrom.com> <19990206232935.H27505@orcrist.mediacity.com> <36BD6DB4.378D0542@newsguy.com> <19990208011844.A27505@orcrist.mediacity.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Feb 1999 17:23:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: Gregory Sutter's message of "Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:18:44 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gregory Sutter writes: > On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 07:40:52PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > Gregory Sutter wrote: > > > geekdates@freebsd.org > > FOTCROTFLOLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! > Hmmm, fraid I'll have to ask for a translation here, because > MARMHLIBNOACACOW[1]. Sounds like "fell off the chair rolling on the floor lots of laughs my ass off", which doesn't make much sense but conveys a sense of a state of acute hilarity. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Feb 10 17:52:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27715 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:52:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panic.oeit.vic.edu.au ([203.0.93.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27702 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:52:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jsutton@panic.oeit.vic.edu.au) Received: from localhost (jsutton@localhost) by panic.oeit.vic.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA03320; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:51:59 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@panic.oeit.vic.edu.au) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:51:59 +1100 (EST) From: Joel Sutton To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/features.html In-Reply-To: <38334.918650588@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > This page is somewhat stale - any volunteers for updating it? Before I do anything rash and volunteer, can you be a bit more specific about what you/we want to put on that page??? (I'm really trying to work out how long it would take me) Thanks, Joel... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Feb 10 20:36:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17566 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:36:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17561 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:36:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA47737; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:36:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Joel Sutton cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/features.html In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:51:59 +1100." Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:36:28 -0800 Message-ID: <47733.918707788@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, I really think that depends on you more than anyone. FreeBSD obviously has a very wide feature set and you're not going to be able to cover even a tenth of it there, so the structure of this page should come more from the perspective of trying to do a certain kind of advocacy (selling FreeBSD as a server, for example) and picking and choosing a set of features to spotlight accordingly. Different people have different writing styles and/or agendas and I would not presume to list a specific feature set. - Jordan > On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > This page is somewhat stale - any volunteers for updating it? > > Before I do anything rash and volunteer, can you be a bit more specific > about what you/we want to put on that page??? (I'm really trying to work > out how long it would take me) > > Thanks, Joel... > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 11 07:22:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00855 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:22:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00847 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:22:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA49707; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:22:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Licia cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is there a reseller program? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:00:09 CST." Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:22:21 -0800 Message-ID: <49703.918746541@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I don't consider myself a FreeBSD expert, but I am interested in hearing > about the request. Did they give any guidelines, an outline, etc for the > project? Any specific size range, target audience, etc? The book is "Learning FreeBSD in 21 days" and would be part of the standard 21 day series that SAMS has been publishing forever. Basically, assumes no previous skill with Unix but attempts to get the user fairly productive with a wide variety of tools, from Apache to X, and facile enough with the OS that an "advanced" book would be a reasonable follow-on purchase. Yes, they want one of those too, but one project at a time! :-) Anyone truly and honestly interested in authoring (as part of a 2-3 person team) this should now contact me since the very next step will be you talking with the publisher and signing a contract. In other words, only truly serious people need apply. Even if you're "serious", don't just jump into this without considering the time factors. If you don't have at least 3-4 hours a day to invest for the next 90 days or so, there's no way in hell you're going to be able to contribute meaningfully to a 600 page general reference guide and your partners in this effort, whomever they are, will grow to hate you for making them work 8 hour days instead. It is both a plus and a minus with SAMS that they bring books to market VERY quickly. Once the clock starts ticking, you literally have 90 days to finish the book (which is why this is a team effort rather than an individual one) and the publisher *will* start beating you over the head with a very thick newspaper if you're late - they work to very aggressive editing and artwork schedules there and the authors aren't permitted to slack at all. Like I said, only truly serious people need apply. :) On the brighter side, anyone looking to get their name in lights (as well as the royalty checks) in a very short period of time could do a lot worse than to jump aboard this book project. It would also, needless to say, be very good for FreeBSD to be able to have such a book come out in 1999 rather than 2000 (or later). - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 12 02:03:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15731 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:03:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15720 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:03:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from cityscope.net (194.cityscope.net [209.16.49.194]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id EAA00380; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 04:21:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36C3FC05.7C97EE55@cityscope.net> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 04:01:41 -0600 From: Ingrid Kast Fuller Reply-To: ingrid@cityscope.net Organization: CityScope Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Licia CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is there a reseller program? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes they do. I am a FreeBSD reseller and will be selling the software/books on our shopping cart when it's ready. If you want to work with another reseller instead of going direct, let me know. Otherwise, you can call them directly and setup your own. Licia wrote: > > Does anyone know if Walnut Creek has a reseller program for FreeBSD > merchandise? I'm going to try to convince some local stores to carry > FreeBSD (they carry Linux, so maybe they'll listen? :) ) and it would be > very handy if I could point them to some nice, clear, documentation on > what is available to them and what they'd have to do themselves. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- *********************************************************** Ingrid Kast Fuller (ingrid@cityscope.net) CityScope Computer Services Since 1984 CityScope Net (http://www.cityscope.net) 1(713)477-6161 109 West Southmore, Pasadena, TX 77502-1001 *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message