From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 12 13:45:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from onramp.i2k.com (onramp.i2k.com [207.75.224.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927CB14BC3 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:45:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@i2k.com) Received: from sb20-144.i2k.com (sb20-144.i2k.com [207.75.224.144]) by onramp.i2k.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA04208 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:46:01 -0400 (EDT) From: stuart@i2k.com X-Sender: ben@comp1.net.local To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: demo days Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello- my high school will be having a linux demo day sometime during the next week, and I would like to spread information about FreeBSD at the same time. Is there some sort of "press kit" for FreeBSD that has all the facts about the OS including some major sites that run on FreeBSD's power (hotmail? hehe). The local newspaper will be there and all, so I would really like to have some concrete facts on hand. Thanks, -ben stuart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 12 14: 4:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from forty-two.egroups.net (adsl-63-193-215-235.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.215.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1AE14F23 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@forty-two.egroups.net) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by forty-two.egroups.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA40036; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:04:50 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: stuart@i2k.com Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: demo days Message-ID: <19990912140450.Z49731@forty-two.egroups.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from stuart@i2k.com on Sun, Sep 12, 1999 at 04:46:01PM -0400 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Sep 12, 1999 at 04:46:01PM -0400, stuart@i2k.com wrote: > my high school will be having a linux demo day sometime during the > next week, and I would like to spread information about FreeBSD at the > same time. Is there some sort of "press kit" for FreeBSD that has all the > facts about the OS including some major sites that run on FreeBSD's power > (hotmail? hehe). The local newspaper will be there and all, so I would > really like to have some concrete facts on hand. Thanks, I suggest you have a look at http://freebsd.tesserae.com/. This site has much of the information that you're looking for. Good luck! Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Mostly Harmless mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 12 14:11:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901B414D80 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:11:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from tomasa (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id RAA11564; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909122111.RAA11564@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Advocacy List" , "Jason C. Wells" Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:12:30 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Advocacy on FreeBSD-questions Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:46:28 +0000 (GMT), Jason C. Wells wrote: >The -questions mailing list is a powerful tool for FreeBSD advocacy. True, but that post really belonged to the advocacy list. :-) >replies to questions are probably the single most significant venue for >the non-FreeBSD community to learn who, what, and how we (the community) >are. Unfortunately I many times get the same feeling someone new to the camp gets when he wrote "I can see why the BSDs are accused of been snobs". Many of the replies are nothing more than insults to users who have been frustrated already enough trying to look for things. >FreeBSD-bies should conduct themselves as though they are in a customer >service organization. The newer a user the more clueles he/she will be and the most patience one should have with them. Unfortunately what I see is that the clueless the user the more rude people are to them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 12 14:47:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AFC1550D for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:47:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (jcw@localhost) by s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10658; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:43:38 GMT (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: s8-37-26.student.washington.edu: jcw owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:43:38 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: Francisco Reyes Cc: Advocacy List Subject: Re: Advocacy on FreeBSD-questions In-Reply-To: <199909122111.RAA11564@arutam.inch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Francisco Reyes wrote: >On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:46:28 +0000 (GMT), Jason C. Wells wrote: > >>FreeBSD-bies should conduct themselves as though they are in a customer >>service organization. > >The newer a user the more clueles he/she will be and the most patience >one should have with them. Unfortunately what I see is that the >clueless the user the more rude people are to them. Yes. These are all valid points. There are two types of clueless people. The lazy and those who tried but dont get it. I will tell you that _BOTH_ of these types present a great opportunity for FreeBSD. Even the one who is lazy should still be treated respectfully if he is to be treated at all. That person will come to know our way. (if not he will be shunned eventually, we cant please all the people all the time) We on -questions should lead from the vantage of those in front of the pack and not from the vantage of those in the back of the pack. This will show those up and comers where they want to go rather than where they already are. Thank You, | http://students.washington.edu/jcwells Jason Wells | "Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither | freedom nor security." - Benjamin Franklin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 12 15:58:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCF414DCE; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02175; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909122258.PAA02175@implode.root.com> To: stuart@i2k.com Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: demo days In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:46:01 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:58:27 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Too bad you didn't say something earlier...we could have gotten you a few hundred free CDROMs to hand out. Maybe it's not too late. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. > my high school will be having a linux demo day sometime during the >next week, and I would like to spread information about FreeBSD at the >same time. Is there some sort of "press kit" for FreeBSD that has all the >facts about the OS including some major sites that run on FreeBSD's power >(hotmail? hehe). The local newspaper will be there and all, so I would >really like to have some concrete facts on hand. Thanks, > >-ben stuart. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 12 16:12:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3ABF14DA7 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:12:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rab@pike.cdrom.com) Received: from pike.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by pike.cdrom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08289; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909122312.QAA08289@pike.cdrom.com> To: stuart@i2k.com Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, rab@pike.cdrom.com Subject: Re: demo days In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:46:01 EDT." Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:12:30 -0700 From: "Robert A. Bruce" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG stuart@i2k.com said... >hello- > my high school will be having a linux demo day sometime during the >next week, and I would like to spread information about FreeBSD at the >same time. Is there some sort of "press kit" for FreeBSD that has all the >facts about the OS including some major sites that run on FreeBSD's power >(hotmail? hehe). The local newspaper will be there and all, so I would >really like to have some concrete facts on hand. Thanks, Hi Ben, If you send me your s-mail address, I will have someone send you a folder with some "What is FreeBSD" glossies to hand out, as well as a few CDROMs. -bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 6:43:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EAC14D57 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25369 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Advocating Daemon News to promote FreeBSD. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-247162723-937230202=:25328" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-247162723-937230202=:25328 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have made up a few sample ad banners for Daemon News. http://sean.web.tf/banners.html I have also attached one of the better ones. We might also want to get some banners worked up for the FreeBSDZine as soon as it comes back online. I think that promoting the magazines will do a lot to get people interested in FreeBSD. 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stuart@i2k.com Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: demo days In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:46:01 EDT." Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:31:46 -0700 Message-ID: <78502.937240306@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > my high school will be having a linux demo day sometime during the > next week, and I would like to spread information about FreeBSD at the > same time. Is there some sort of "press kit" for FreeBSD that has all the > facts about the OS including some major sites that run on FreeBSD's power > (hotmail? hehe). The local newspaper will be there and all, so I would > really like to have some concrete facts on hand. Thanks, We have some hand-outs we use at tradeshows, and of course the CDs themselves. However, shipping also takes time and "next week" may be a bit too soon unless you get the details to me more or less immediately. - Jordan > > -ben stuart. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 10:58:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netwalk.com (mail.netwalk.com [216.69.192.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAB81562F for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:58:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@netwalk.com) Received: from pokey.local.net (root@tcs4-44.arl.netwalk.net [216.69.200.236]) by mail.netwalk.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32293; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:58:01 -0400 Received: from insomnia.local.net (insomnia.local.net [192.168.2.3]) by pokey.local.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA03171; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:57:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.local.net) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:04:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" Reply-To: jmutter@netwalk.com To: Chris Coleman Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advocating Daemon News to promote FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-247162723-937230202=:25328" Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-247162723-937230202=:25328 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Maybe I'm conservative, but they seem a little inflamitory. That's a bold statement though, "the most powerful, stable, and secure operating system", or "better, faster, more reliable". It seems to me that this is exactly what the Linux-ites are always complaining about. On the other hand, they are certainly attention grabbers! Maybe that's exactly what we need. 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(fed.frb.gov [132.200.32.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7081315818; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:06:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org) Received: by fed-ef1.frb.gov; id OAA09447; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1pmdf.frb.gov(192.168.3.38) by fed.frb.gov via smap (V4.2) id xma008727; Mon, 13 Sep 99 14:02:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:01:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Seth Subject: Re: FreeBSD Power Pak at CompUSA In-reply-to: <37DD1D56.7D7F21F9@home.com> To: "Gary T. Corcoran" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I visited the local CompUSA in Manhattan yesterday and was pleased to see 4 copies of the PowerPak spanning 2 shelves. Someone had obscured the top stack of 2 with a copy of Red Hat, but I quickly remedied the problem and moved the lower boxes to the top shelf (for easy visibility), right next to the price/description label. $49.95. SB On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > > Kenn Martin wrote: > > > > Jordan wanted to know if the Power Pak had been seen at any CompUSA > > stores outside of California. > > I visited CompUSA in central New Jersey (Springfield) this past > weekend and found 2 copies of the FreeBSD PowerPak on the shelf. > The shelf price was marked as $59.99, but it was apparently on > sale for $49.99, as that's how it rang up. I'm guessing that > was just the sale price for last week. Even so, $59.99 as a > regular price isn't bad... > > Gary > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 11: 9: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A671590C for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27242; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:07:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: "James A. Mutter" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advocating Daemon News to promote FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, how are we gonna advertise? "BSD, almost as good as Linux" ??? You don't sell anything with out telling them that you are better, even if it means just as good or unable to measure that you are better. Anyway, that is what I got out of my marketing class 10 years ago... Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, James A. Mutter wrote: > > Maybe I'm conservative, but they seem a little inflamitory. That's a > bold statement though, "the most powerful, stable, and secure > operating system", or "better, faster, more reliable". It seems to me > that this is exactly what the Linux-ites are always complaining about. > > On the other hand, they are certainly attention grabbers! Maybe > that's exactly what we need. > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Chris Coleman wrote: > > :We have made up a few sample ad banners for Daemon News. > :http://sean.web.tf/banners.html > : > :I have also attached one of the better ones. > : > :We might also want to get some banners worked up for the FreeBSDZine as > :soon as it comes back online. > : > :I think that promoting the magazines will do a lot to get people > :interested in FreeBSD. > : > :Chris Coleman > :Daemon News Editor in Chief > :http://www.daemonnews.org > :Bringing BSD together > : > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 13:55:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2632115604; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:55:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA91188; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:41:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA36954; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:06:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:06:03 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: ache@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: "Powered by FreeBSD" on the Apache default page Message-ID: <19990913130603.A36268@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrey [ I'm cc'ing this to -advocacy, on the off chance someone wants to submit patches ] Something I noticed RedHat Linux does that we might want to do. I believe that their Apache RPM installs the default Apache web page, as ours does. This page includes the "If you run an Apache server feel free to use the 'Powered by Apache' logo" comment. The RedHat one also includes an extra "Powered by RedHat" graphic, and similar comment. Any chance we could do the same for our Apache port, but include the "Powered by FreeBSD" logo instead? As I say, no patches, I'm not at a FreeBSD machine I can put them together on at the moment. But if you (or an -advocacy reader) has the necessary spare 10 minutes. . . N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 14: 0: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD92A155F3 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA56015; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909132100.OAA56015@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: From: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo Reply-To: Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following reply was made to PR advocacy/13696; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Nik Clayton To: gthalapp@hotmail.com Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:46:12 +0100 Yow. Everyone's been taking grumpy pills recently. Gene, you sent in this PR; > >Number: 13696 > >Synopsis: FreeBSD logo > >Description: > Everybody says that FreeBSD is fantastic and rock stable. I found that there is truth in it. But I am not pleased to see a devil's emblem to be used for FreeBSD logo. > >How-To-Repeat: > > >Fix: > Change the logo to something professional. This, basically, isn't going to happen, as other people have pointed out. The little horned guy ("beastie") in the FreeBSD (and NetBSD, OpenBSD, and quite possibly BSDi) logo has a long heritage with the BSD operating system. You can find a little more information about this at http://www.FreeBSD.org/copyright/daemon.html which includes quotes, links to earlier pictures, and a company you can buy stuffed daemon plushies from. In the meantime, don't be surprised if this PR gets closed :-) N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 15:34:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB5714F4E; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05789; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:34:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199909132234.PAA05789@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: RE: FreeBSD Power Pak at CompUSA In-Reply-To: from Seth at "Sep 13, 99 02:01:53 pm" To: seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org (Seth) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:34:27 -0700 (MST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, advocacy@FreeBSD.org, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, info@cdrom.com Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Seth wrote: > I visited the local CompUSA in Manhattan yesterday and was pleased to see > 4 copies of the PowerPak spanning 2 shelves. Someone had obscured the top > stack of 2 with a copy of Red Hat, but I quickly remedied the problem and > moved the lower boxes to the top shelf (for easy visibility), right next > to the price/description label. $49.95. > > SB > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > > Kenn Martin wrote: > > > Jordan wanted to know if the Power Pak had been seen at any CompUSA > > > stores outside of California. > > > > I visited CompUSA in central New Jersey (Springfield) this past > > weekend and found 2 copies of the FreeBSD PowerPak on the shelf. > > The shelf price was marked as $59.99, but it was apparently on > > sale for $49.99, as that's how it rang up. I'm guessing that > > was just the sale price for last week. Even so, $59.99 as a > > regular price isn't bad... All the Phoenix stores got deliveries this week (about 3 per store). They have a $49.95 price on the shelf, but the clerk tried to ring them up at $59.95. They corrected that when I pointed out the shelf label. The $50 was a sale price, $60 will be the regular price. Any of our Walnut Creek friends know what CompUSA pays for those things? Seems to me they're running on a pretty thin margin there. But I love FreeBSD being in the distrbution channel. Also, advice to Walnut Creek. It's not possible to tell what version of the goodies are in the box without opening it. The glossy box cover just says "latest versions" (in the star on the upper right-hand corner). That's gonna be a problem in the future for anyone who decides to keep current by buying a new box, or when recommending to a friend. If the purpose of being vague on the box was to keep production costs down, how about a sticker where that star lives? If being vague was to keep inventory from aging, well... -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 15:46:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fed-ef1.frb.gov (fed.frb.gov [132.200.32.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3344F14D5D; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:46:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org) Received: by fed-ef1.frb.gov; id SAA10756; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1pmdf.frb.gov(192.168.3.38) by fed.frb.gov via smap (V4.2) id xma010735; Mon, 13 Sep 99 18:46:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:46:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Seth Subject: RE: FreeBSD Power Pak at CompUSA In-reply-to: <199909132234.PAA05789@freeway.dcfinc.com> To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, info@cdrom.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Chad R. Larson wrote: > Also, advice to Walnut Creek. It's not possible to tell what > version of the goodies are in the box without opening it. The > glossy box cover just says "latest versions" (in the star on the > upper right-hand corner). That's gonna be a problem in the future > for anyone who decides to keep current by buying a new box, or when > recommending to a friend. Yup! I forgot to mention this in my last email. This is a problem for newbies... they don't know what versions they're getting unless they look at the date on CompUSA's price tag ('6/99 Ed' or something like that -- even then, it's not specific.) I wasn't even sure myself. What happens after 15 Sept (assuming 3.3-R comes out) and the items in the box AREN'T "latest version"? SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 17:21:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id CC37414CAA; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C008E1CD442; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:21:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Nik Clayton Cc: ache@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" on the Apache default page In-Reply-To: <19990913130603.A36268@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > Any chance we could do the same for our Apache port, but include the > "Powered by FreeBSD" logo instead? I think this would be a great idea. I'd also like to see some more FreeBSD customization of some other ports, e.g. window managers which install a default list of applications which is linux-centered. Maybe I'll get time to do that one day :-( Maybe we could add this to the ports webpage: a note that if it's possible to customize your port to the freebsd environment (whether by changing default options, replacing a Tux with a beastie, etc) then you should do so. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 17:57:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EA31518C; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:57:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18840; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:57:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:57:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Nik Clayton , ache@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" on the Apache default page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Maybe we could add this to the ports webpage: a note that if it's > possible to customize your port to the freebsd environment (whether by > changing default options, replacing a Tux with a beastie, etc) then > you should do so. Back when I was maintaining the -devel and > 1.0 versions of AfterStep I was doing this - grep'ing through the source and getting rid of Tux in favor of our favorite daemon. Brett ***************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 18:28:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sapphire.alisa.org (i-legal.com [209.181.77.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B6314C9E; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jjr@sapphire.alisa.org) Received: from snow.alisa.org (snow.alisa.org [192.168.4.3]) by sapphire.alisa.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17679; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:27:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jjr@sapphire.alisa.org) From: "John J. Rushford Jr." Reply-To: jjr@sapphire.alisa.org To: Seth , "Gary T. Corcoran" Subject: Re: FreeBSD Power Pak at CompUSA Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:26:08 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99091319273900.17563@snow.alisa.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The CompUSA store in Westminster Colorado sold out all there copies. -- John J. Rushford jjr@sapphire.alisa.org jjr@cs.du.edu http://www.cs.du.edu/~jjr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 23:50:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C7A15251 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:50:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from s.mitchell@computer.org) Received: from modem-44.umbrella.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.149.44] helo=lungfish.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11QmQ2-0005hy-00; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:50:22 +0100 Received: (from scott@localhost) by lungfish.freeserve.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01789; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:51:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scott) Message-ID: <19990913005129.60466@lungfish.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:51:29 +0100 From: Scott Mitchell To: Terry Lambert , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A FreeBSD NDA Project proposal References: <199909100023.RAA22211@usr06.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199909100023.RAA22211@usr06.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 12:23:19AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As nobody else seems to want to jump in here... On Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 12:23:19AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > In a more general sense, it occurs to me that it would be useful > to have a pool of coders willing to work on such projects on behalf > of FreeBSD. > > FreeBSD has a big edge on Linux, in that binary-only software is > OK in our community. > > > The intent of this message is to start a dialogue. I'd like to > see the following things come out of it: > > 1) Establish a willingness on the part of some legal > entity, perhaps FreeBSD, Inc., to engage in entering > into non-disclosure agreements with companies, on > behalf of FreeBSD. > > Note: these agreements could be made with the up front > understanding that non-disclosure of source embodying > proprietary information of their hardware is binding > only until other disclosure has occurred (e.g., if Linux > publishes a driver, then FreeBSD could publish a driver, > so long as the comments did not document proprietary > information). A lawyer would need to write this up. > > 2) Establish a pool of volunteers (e.g. normal FreeBSD > developers and the like) who have entered into similar > agreements with the legal entity from #1, so that they > can "hit the ground running" when NDA-ed projects that > would benefit FreeBSD come up. I like this idea -- I suspect that my Xircom driver, for instance, would have happened a lot sooner than it did if I'd been able to say to them 'FreeBSD, Inc. will sign your NDA' instead of 'I'm some guy you've never heard of who wants to write driver, can I have your code?'. Xircom have since made their specs publicly available, but it would be nice not to have to go through it all again next time... As Terry says, we'd have a big advantage over the Linux crowd here. They're always happy to crow about how they support every piece of crappy hardware out there. It would be amusing -- and no doubt advantageous in terms of FreeBSD's user base -- to say that we support product X that the Linux people aren't allowed to look at. > ... > I'm interested in opinions and suggested improvements to this > proposal; I know that free software fanatics may not take kindly > to the idea of accepting non-free software for distribution; if > you feel this way, you are, of course, free to not volunteer. 8-). I personally wouldn't have any problem distributing/working on binary-only modules... would the distribution as a whole still be considered 'open source' though, under whatever definition people want to use? Does it even matter, if the non-free stuff is kernel modules or otherwise not part of the 'core' distribution? Any agreements would also have to ensure that the right to freely distribute any such software wasn't restricted by it being non-free, or developed under NDA, or anything else. Comments? Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" s.mitchell@computer.org | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 13 23:58:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3A214D66; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:58:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA81199; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: chad@DCFinc.com Cc: seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org (Seth), stable@FreeBSD.org, advocacy@FreeBSD.org, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, info@cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD Power Pak at CompUSA In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:34:27 PDT." <199909132234.PAA05789@freeway.dcfinc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:58:37 -0700 Message-ID: <81195.937292317@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > All the Phoenix stores got deliveries this week (about 3 per store). > They have a $49.95 price on the shelf, but the clerk tried to ring > them up at $59.95. They corrected that when I pointed out the shelf > label. The $50 was a sale price, $60 will be the regular price. Yep, as I suspected, it was definitely a one-time deal. :) > Also, advice to Walnut Creek. It's not possible to tell what > version of the goodies are in the box without opening it. The This will be rectified when the update (3.3 + new toolkit) is released. You'll see which versions of everything are inside the box, first probably as a big sticker and then later as a whole new box for each product update (perhaps even for this one, I'm really not sure how it's going to go yet, but either way you'll know which version you're getting without having to tear plastic :). And as to when you'll see this product, I'm just can't say yet because I honesly have no idea how long it's going to take to "percolate" all the way to the individual stores. We're still gaining experience with this whole channel thing... Certainly no sooner than October, in any case, since it'll take that long just to get the CDs back and uncrated in the warehouse. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 14 7:13:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from eagle.phc.igs.net (ttyA0b.phc.igs.net [216.58.103.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292BC15261; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eagle@phc.igs.net) Received: from localhost (eagle@localhost) by eagle.phc.igs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04903; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:38:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eagle@phc.igs.net) X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.phc.igs.net: eagle owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Garrett To: Wes Peters Cc: billf@FreeBSD.ORG, gthalapp@hotmail.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo In-Reply-To: <37DB1F04.BEAAD0B9@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > billf@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > > > > Synopsis: FreeBSD logo > > > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > > State-Changed-By: billf > > State-Changed-When: Sat Sep 11 14:58:02 PDT 1999 > > State-Changed-Why: > > 1) Priority: High? You must have lots of time on your hands, but we don't. > > 2) The daemon is not 'evil'. There are a million explanations that you will receieve > > however, I will simply point you to http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html > > I would like to point out this has been discussed to death a number of times, > and each and every time the answer is a resounding NO! If you are so insecure > or simplistic in your beliefs that you think a little red guy with horns and a > pointed tail represents the evil of the world, feel free to avoid using any > computer system that features such an image. > > Thank you for your participation in FreeBSD Advocacy. Before chiming in > again, please make sure your request isn't one of the other beaten-to-death > topics that rage back and forth here. > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com> theres an article in the backissues of the freebsdzine that deals with this, i dont remember the exact url, www.freebsdzine.org its somwhere there. Robg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 14 7:18:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D951914A28; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:18:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03422; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:17:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Rob Garrett Cc: Wes Peters , billf@FreeBSD.ORG, gthalapp@hotmail.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > theres an article in the backissues of the freebsdzine that deals with > this, i dont remember the exact url, www.freebsdzine.org its somwhere > there. > > Robg http://www.daemonnews.org/199810/daemon.html Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 14 7:46:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D23214CC5; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:46:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id HAA05091; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id HAA14475; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:35:16 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA08058; Tue, 14 Sep 99 07:46:33 PDT Message-Id: <37DE5FCA.2CC9A40@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:46:34 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Nik Clayton , ache@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" on the Apache default page References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > Any chance we could do the same for our Apache port, but include the > > "Powered by FreeBSD" logo instead? > > I think this would be a great idea. I'd also like to see some more FreeBSD > customization of some other ports, e.g. window managers which install a > default list of applications which is linux-centered. Maybe I'll get time > to do that one day :-( Another idea would be to add FreeBSD themes to the window manager ports packages. I use the FreeBSD Window Maker theme, but I had to go fetch it from themes.org. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 14 9:42:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD811530A; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21587; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:41:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:41:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Wes Peters Cc: Kris Kennaway , Nik Clayton , ache@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" on the Apache default page In-Reply-To: <37DE5FCA.2CC9A40@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Wes, On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > Another idea would be to add FreeBSD themes to the window manager > ports packages. I use the FreeBSD Window Maker theme, but I had to go > fetch it from themes.org. You don't use FreeBSD_Men? -sigh- all my theme creativeness (well, not much creativity on my part - I just shoved it all together) wasted. :-) Brett ***************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 14 9:49:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE083151B7; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:49:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) id RAA16632; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:49:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:49:02 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Brett Taylor Cc: Wes Peters , Kris Kennaway , Nik Clayton , ache@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" on the Apache default page Message-ID: <19990914174902.H89466@florence.pavilion.net> References: <37DE5FCA.2CC9A40@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:41:47PM -0400, Brett Taylor wrote: > Hi Wes, > > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > > > Another idea would be to add FreeBSD themes to the window manager > > ports packages. I use the FreeBSD Window Maker theme, but I had to go > > fetch it from themes.org. > > You don't use FreeBSD_Men? -sigh- all my theme creativeness (well, not > much creativity on my part - I just shoved it all together) wasted. > > :-) Is this in the ports? Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 14 11:38:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6AE155F5; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:38:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA09950; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA05651; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:25:58 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn4.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA20754; Tue, 14 Sep 99 11:37:25 PDT Message-Id: <37DE95E5.88A03D39@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:37:25 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Taylor Cc: Kris Kennaway , Nik Clayton , ache@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" on the Apache default page References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brett Taylor wrote: > > Hi Wes, > > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > > > Another idea would be to add FreeBSD themes to the window manager > > ports packages. I use the FreeBSD Window Maker theme, but I had to go > > fetch it from themes.org. > > You don't use FreeBSD_Men? -sigh- all my theme creativeness (well, not > much creativity on my part - I just shoved it all together) wasted. I didn't know about it. I just got it now. I'll stick it on my work machine ASAP, and maybe the laptop, too. 279 downloads -- not too bad. You need to get word out more; this might be suitable for freebsd-announce. Announcements of ANY BSD-related themes should certainly appear in Daemon News. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 14 11:39:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4442E152FA; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA09989; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA05703; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:27:12 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn4.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA20814; Tue, 14 Sep 99 11:38:40 PDT Message-Id: <37DE9631.B0EE775@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:38:41 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Josef Karthauser Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" on the Apache default page References: <37DE5FCA.2CC9A40@softweyr.com> <19990914174902.H89466@florence.pavilion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Josef Karthauser wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:41:47PM -0400, Brett Taylor wrote: > > Hi Wes, > > > > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > > > > > Another idea would be to add FreeBSD themes to the window manager > > > ports packages. I use the FreeBSD Window Maker theme, but I had to go > > > fetch it from themes.org. > > > > You don't use FreeBSD_Men? -sigh- all my theme creativeness (well, not > > much creativity on my part - I just shoved it all together) wasted. > > > > :-) > > Is this in the ports? You can find it at wm.themes.org by searching for freebsd. Click on the Men vs Boys title, the other one doesn't appear to work. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 14 12:13:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA77151C2; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:13:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11283; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:13:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Wes Peters Cc: Brett Taylor , Kris Kennaway , Nik Clayton , ache@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" on the Apache default page In-Reply-To: <37DE95E5.88A03D39@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well someone posted it to daily.daemonnews.org, so i approved it. It up now. Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > Brett Taylor wrote: > > > > Hi Wes, > > > > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > > > > > Another idea would be to add FreeBSD themes to the window manager > > > ports packages. I use the FreeBSD Window Maker theme, but I had to go > > > fetch it from themes.org. > > > > You don't use FreeBSD_Men? -sigh- all my theme creativeness (well, not > > much creativity on my part - I just shoved it all together) wasted. > > I didn't know about it. I just got it now. I'll stick it on my work > machine ASAP, and maybe the laptop, too. 279 downloads -- not too bad. > You need to get word out more; this might be suitable for freebsd-announce. > Announcements of ANY BSD-related themes should certainly appear in Daemon > News. > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 14 14: 3:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BF014F15; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:03:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06872; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:03:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd006828; Tue Sep 14 14:02:58 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19993; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:02:54 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199909142102.OAA19993@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: IE for FreeBSD Web Site To: mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (Mark Ovens) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:02:54 +0000 (GMT) Cc: billieakay@yahoo.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, mwakers@home.com, chrismar@shasta.eclipse.net, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990911030611.C298@marder-1> from "Mark Ovens" at Sep 11, 99 03:06:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 09:31:59PM -0400, Bill A. K. wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Anyone who would like to show support for a version of MS Internet > > Explorer for FreeBSD, can visit this URL for information on a project going > > on to notify Microsoft of our desires. > > > > http://iefreebsd.freeservers.com > > > > Please check out my site and sign my guestbook So you guys are all sure that the Solaris version won't run under emulation? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 14 14: 8:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id C75241526D; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70171CD484; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:08:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Terry Lambert Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IE for FreeBSD Web Site In-Reply-To: <199909142102.OAA19993@usr09.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: > So you guys are all sure that the Solaris version won't run under emulation? From http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/download/sysreq/sysreqie5unix.htm Internet Explorer 5 with Outlook Express System Requirements for Solaris: Processor: Sparcstation 2 or greater Operating system: English Solaris 2.5 and above (see README for patch information) Memory requirements: 32 MB of RAM (64 MB recommended) Disk space required to install Internet Explorer 5.0 (approximate): 68 MB System Requirements for HP: Processor: HP 9000 Enterprise Server, HP 9000 Workstation or HP Visualize Workstation Operating system: English HP-UX Operating System version 10.20 or later (see README for patch information) Memory requirements: 64 MB of RAM (96 MB recommended) Disk space required to install Internet Explorer 5.0 (approximate): 87 MB of hard-disk space to perform the installation FreeBSD doesn't run on either of these platforms :-) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 14 22:45:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f231.hotmail.com [207.82.251.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BBC5156E5 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:45:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from e_tie@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 31931 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 1999 05:45:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990915054513.31930.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.179.163.142 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:45:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.179.163.142] From: "E TiE" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD graphics. Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:45:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Where could I get some cool looking graphics for a XDM setup (so my FreeBSD box can have a cool looking log in screen) or a FreeBSD website? Thanks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 2: 1:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADAC15362 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:01:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from freno.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@freno.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.167]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07342 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:58:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by freno.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA20053 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:58:27 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:58:27 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: [clemens@nioz.nl: freebsd in the press] Message-ID: <19990915105826.A19821@freno.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Forwarded message from clemens@nioz.nl ----- From: clemens@nioz.nl To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:10:09 +1 Subject: freebsd in the press article in the WSJ http://dowjones.wsj.com/n/SB936961814325017645-d-main-c1.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 9:31:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2D015755 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17629; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:24:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: advocacy@freebsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Daemon News Daily Site Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Daemon News is expanding its News coverage to include a Daily Site. http://daily.daemonnews.org We are still in the development stage, but I think it's time to enlist the BSD advocates. :-) Our target date for public announcements is the first of October. Now, we need to get feedback from people on how to make the site better. Also, I feel it is the responsibility of the advocates to keep the site current and uptodate with what's going on. Please make sure you submit all BSD news as well as supporting systems news, such as XFree86, Sendmail, etc.. to: http://daily.daemonnews.org/add_story.php3 We have also just made "user Comments" active and would like your assistance in testing it. Feel free to comment on every article... WE need to know if it will withstand the onslaught we hope for on the release date. :-) I would like the site to be in full operation on the 1st of October, so send in news and add comments we can flush the bugs out. Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 16: 8:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netwalk.com (mail.netwalk.com [216.69.192.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B072814BE5 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@netwalk.com) Received: from pokey.local.net (root@arc9-44.arl.netwalk.net [216.69.202.44]) by mail.netwalk.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16656; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:07:55 -0400 Received: from insomnia.local.net (insomnia.local.net [192.168.2.3]) by pokey.local.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA11191; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:06:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.local.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" Reply-To: jmutter@netwalk.com To: Chris Coleman Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I like it! The design is clean and easy to understand/navigate. It's nice to see something like this devoted to the entire *BSD family. On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Chris Coleman wrote: :Daemon News is expanding its News coverage to include a Daily Site. :http://daily.daemonnews.org : :We are still in the development stage, but I think it's time to enlist the :BSD advocates. :-) : :Our target date for public announcements is the first of October. : :Now, we need to get feedback from people on how to make the site better. : :Also, I feel it is the responsibility of the advocates to keep the site :current and uptodate with what's going on. : :Please make sure you submit all BSD news as well as supporting systems :news, such as XFree86, Sendmail, etc.. to: : : http://daily.daemonnews.org/add_story.php3 : :We have also just made "user Comments" active and would like your :assistance in testing it. Feel free to comment on every article... WE :need to know if it will withstand the onslaught we hope for on the release :date. :-) : : :I would like the site to be in full operation on the 1st of October, so :send in news and add comments we can flush the bugs out. : :Chris Coleman :Daemon News Editor in Chief :http://www.daemonnews.org :Bringing BSD together : : : :To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 16:58:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D77814C32 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ethan@shell-2.enteract.com) Received: (qmail 36533 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 23:58:24 -0000 Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (ethan@207.229.143.41) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 23:58:24 -0000 Received: (from ethan@localhost) by shell-2.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA87178; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:58:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ethan) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:58:23 -0500 From: Ethan Bakshy To: "James A. Mutter" Cc: Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site Message-ID: <19990915185823.F85083@enteract.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from James A. Mutter on Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 07:13:50PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Looks like a slashdotesqe BSD news page. Which is cool and all, I just think the design of the page [asthetically speaking] could be a little bit cleaner. coming from a web designer/geek standpoint. anywhere to talk to these guys working on the site? But I like it- its definatley a big step from what there was before, which is nothing. It works the way it should, and has a clean and direct architecture. -- ethan "We believe (JavaStation) was basically the right approach, but used some of the wrong technology. We've learned that users don't want to just use Java" -Loiacono, Sun Microsystems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 17: 7:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com [192.161.36.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDA114CB1 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:07:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Matthew.Neumann@Wichita.BOEING.com) Received: from xch-wchbh-02.ks.boeing.com ([132.173.105.103]) by blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id RAA26112; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xch-wchbh-02.ks.boeing.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:07:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Neumann, Matthew C" To: Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: RE: Daemon News Daily Site Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:07:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I like it, too; my only concern is that it might duplicate what slashdot does already. It does seem that rob runs a lot of BSD stuff on /. . Will daemonnews be able to round up enough stories? It looks really nice with lynx, too; that's great, I prefer to get my news via lynx. Nicely designed. As the weeks go by, it might be nice to include a search engine for the archives, too. --- Matt --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 17:15:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BCF14C46 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:15:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from localhost (brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18220; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:15:03 -0700 (PDT) From: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net X-Authentication-Warning: orion.ac.hmc.edu: brdavis owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:15:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu To: "Neumann, Matthew C" Cc: Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: RE: Daemon News Daily Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Neumann, Matthew C wrote: > I like it, too; my only concern is that it might duplicate what slashdot > does already. It does seem that rob runs a lot of BSD stuff on /. . Will > daemonnews be able to round up enough stories? Well, there are some things I can think of that would be appropriate for a BSD specific news site that wouldn't make it onto Slashdot. For instance, I think it would be cool if development anouncements like feature/code/ports freezes were published there. I just can't see /. posting that sort of thing. -- Brooks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 17:19: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from rfhs8012.fh-regensburg.de (rfhs8012.fh-regensburg.de [194.95.108.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF99014C46 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:18:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from feyrer@rfhs8012.fh-regensburg.de) Received: from rfhs8036.fh-regensburg.de (feyrer@rfhs8036 [194.95.108.28]) by rfhs8012.fh-regensburg.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07467; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:18:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (feyrer@localhost) by rfhs8036.fh-regensburg.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12949; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:18:36 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: rfhs8036.fh-regensburg.de: feyrer owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:18:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Hubert Feyrer Reply-To: Hubert Feyrer To: "Neumann, Matthew C" Cc: Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@NetBSD.ORG, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: RE: Daemon News Daily Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Neumann, Matthew C wrote: > I like it, too; my only concern is that it might duplicate what slashdot > does already. It does seem that rob runs a lot of BSD stuff on /. . Will > daemonnews be able to round up enough stories? Valid point. Maybe the stories should be submitted to daemonnews as well as /. at the same time (automatically!, through that page). - Hubert -- NetBSD - Better for your uptime than Viagra To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 17:37:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 7059B14CE1; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677B31CD46B; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:37:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net Cc: "Neumann, Matthew C" , Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: RE: Daemon News Daily Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 brooks@one-eyed-alien.net wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Neumann, Matthew C wrote: > > > I like it, too; my only concern is that it might duplicate what slashdot > > does already. It does seem that rob runs a lot of BSD stuff on /. . Will > > daemonnews be able to round up enough stories? > > Well, there are some things I can think of that would be appropriate for a > BSD specific news site that wouldn't make it onto Slashdot. For instance, > I think it would be cool if development anouncements like > feature/code/ports freezes were published there. I just can't see /. > posting that sort of thing. Why not? Slashdot posts information about code freezes/beta releases/kernels of the day of Linux distributions. I'm sure if similar information was provided about the BSDs then at least some of it would make it through. Some of the /. admins at least do seem to make an effort to approve BSD stories, we can make it statistically easier for them by giving them more articles :-) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 17:44:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A497814FBE for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ethan@shell-2.enteract.com) Received: (qmail 51920 invoked from network); 16 Sep 1999 00:44:14 -0000 Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (ethan@207.229.143.41) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1999 00:44:14 -0000 Received: (from ethan@localhost) by shell-2.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA87894; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:44:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ethan) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:44:06 -0500 From: Ethan Bakshy To: Hubert Feyrer Cc: "Neumann, Matthew C" , Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@NetBSD.ORG, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site Message-ID: <19990915194406.A87186@enteract.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Hubert Feyrer on Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 02:18:35AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Valid point. Maybe the stories should be submitted to daemonnews >as well as /. at the same time (automatically!, through that >page). I'm not sure how that would work, or if slashdot would like that. I don't think rob would be too happy about sharing, since the two sites are sort of competing, and the BSD site is really cutting the BSD stuff that /. doesn't, but /should/ cover. -- ethan "We believe (JavaStation) was basically the right approach, but used some of the wrong technology. We've learned that users don't want to just use Java" -Loiacono, Sun Microsystems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 17:45:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DBB914F17 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ethan@shell-2.enteract.com) Received: (qmail 52369 invoked from network); 16 Sep 1999 00:45:44 -0000 Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (ethan@207.229.143.41) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1999 00:45:44 -0000 Received: (from ethan@localhost) by shell-2.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA87919; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:45:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ethan) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:45:43 -0500 From: Ethan Bakshy To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net Cc: "Neumann, Matthew C" , Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site Message-ID: <19990915194543.B87186@enteract.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net on Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 05:15:03PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, there are some things I can think of that would be appropriate for a > BSD specific news site that wouldn't make it onto Slashdot. For instance, > I think it would be cool if development anouncements like > feature/code/ports freezes were published there. I just can't see /. > posting that sort of thing. But /. really /should/. They sort of do that stuff for Linux. Why not BSD. -- ethan "We believe (JavaStation) was basically the right approach, but used some of the wrong technology. We've learned that users don't want to just use Java" -Loiacono, Sun Microsystems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 17:46:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC6714DFD for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA88265; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37E03DE6.A105C2EC@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:46:30 +0000 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ethan Bakshy Cc: "James A. Mutter" , Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site References: <19990915185823.F85083@enteract.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ethan Bakshy wrote: > > Looks like a slashdotesqe BSD news page. Which is cool and all, I > just think the design of the page [asthetically speaking] could be > a little bit cleaner. coming from a web designer/geek standpoint. > anywhere to talk to these guys working on the site? Yep, there's a : Have a Suggestion? Contact Us Link on the bottom of the nav bar along the left side of page. Any comments would be welcome. Any help would be even more appreciated :-) > > But I like it- its definatley a big step from what there was before, > which is nothing. It works the way it should, and has a clean and > direct architecture. > > -- > > ethan > > "We believe (JavaStation) was basically the right approach, but > used some of the wrong technology. We've learned that users don't > want to just use Java" -Loiacono, Sun Microsystems > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 17:49:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D03152DB for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA88283; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37E03E9B.163ACC49@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:49:31 +0000 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Neumann, Matthew C" Cc: Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Neumann, Matthew C" wrote: > > I like it, too; my only concern is that it might duplicate what slashdot > does already. It does seem that rob runs a lot of BSD stuff on /. . Will > daemonnews be able to round up enough stories? No one has come out and said it, but so far we've steered clear from "duplicating" stuff from slashdot. I think there's a lot going on in the BSD world, and it's growing. > > It looks really nice with lynx, too; that's great, I prefer to get my news > via lynx. Nicely designed. > > As the weeks go by, it might be nice to include a search engine for the > archives, too. I've been working on making it easier to go through older stories. A search feature will be showing up, it's on my list. > > --- Matt --- -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 18:18:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca (beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca [209.167.177.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA3714BEC for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louis@bertrandtech.on.ca) Received: by beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 106294983; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:15:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tronix.bertrandtech.on.ca (unknown [192.168.250.1]) by tronix.bertrandtech.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67370A3D; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:17:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:17:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Louis Bertrand Reply-To: Louis Bertrand To: Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, OpenBSD Advocacy List Subject: RE: Daemon News Daily Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 brooks@one-eyed-alien.net wrote: > Well, there are some things I can think of that would be appropriate for a > BSD specific news site that wouldn't make it onto Slashdot. For instance, > I think it would be cool if development anouncements like > feature/code/ports freezes were published there. I just can't see /. > posting that sort of thing. > One way to think of the daily is a combination of Slashdot (news) and Freshmeat (announcements). Ciao --Louis Louis Bertrand http://www.bertrandtech.on.ca/ Bertrand Technical Services, Bowmanville, ON, Canada OpenBSD: Secure by default. http://www.openbsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 15 21:27:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 230A814A08 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:27:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@sanson.reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa ([10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:25:26 -3736621 From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "advocacy@freebsd.org" , "Chris Coleman" Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:25:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Unifying BSD news.. (Re: Daemon News Daily Site) Message-ID: <93745592601@reyes.somos.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:24:21 -0400 (EDT), Chris Coleman wrote: >Daemon News is expanding its News coverage to include a Daily Site. >http://daily.daemonnews.org I have started to see a number of "Slasdot like" BSD sites. http://freebsd.tesserae.com/ (Advocacy Site) FreeBSDRocks osonline.org/bsd And now the daily news from DaemonNews. How about if a database system is created by which one story can be published to a single repository and all the sites interested can load it. Articles will have categories so each site can decide what categories to pull. This is a much better approach than 4 independent sites re-entering the same news. This will also let the site with the nicest interface win since the news should be the same. Even better it could be made a group where sites will have to have a minimun set of requirements to join. For example a site should not add articles to their site only if it falls under the categories covered by the unified site. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 16 5:29: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42A615387 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from cityscope.net (isdn194.cityscope.net [209.16.49.194]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA13778 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:28:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37E0E425.3FC2CC6A@cityscope.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:35:49 -0500 From: Ingrid Kast Fuller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Simon Says Mailing List Boasts BSD's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I received this in my Simon Says Mailing List. I don't know how many are on their list, but advertising is advertising!!!! Subject: SIMSON SAYS: Even better than Linux Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:14:50 -0400 From: simsong@acm.org To: PLUGGED IN - Even better than Linux Trio of operating systems based on BSD is even more reliable and secure By Simson L. Garfinkel, 09/16/99 The Linux operating system has gotten a tremendous amount of publicity in recent months. Millions of computers are running Linux; it is playing an increasingly important role in business; and people are beginning to think Linux might be a credible threat to the dominance of Microsoft. But I'm not rejoicing for the ascendancy of Linux or its penguin mascot. I have my two feet firmly planted in another camp. No, I'm not rooting for Bill Gates and the Redmond home team. Instead, I've thrown my lot in with a trio of operating systems that all end with the initials BSD. At my home, I run an operating system called NetBSD on the computer that's connected to my MediaOne cable modem. This NetBSD machine is my file server and my print server. It also runs a system called NAT (network address translation) that lets me access the Internet from the other computers on my home network. I installed NetBSD on the computer a little more than a year ago, and it has been working well for me ever since. It's important to understand that everything I do with NetBSD I could do just as easily with Linux. That's because there are far more similarities between the two systems than differences. Both are based on the Unix operating system, developed at Bell Labs in the 1970s, and both can be freely redistributed. The big difference is portability. While Linux can only run on a few kinds of computers, NetBSD can run on more than 22, including Intel-compatible PCs, Amigas, old 68000-based Macs, Digital VAXes, and even those sleek but defunct NeXT workstations. This has made the system popular at places like MIT and NASA, both of which have large menageries of computer systems from a multitude of vendors. Earlier this year there were a number of well-publicized security problems involving the Linux operating system. During that time my computer was frequently attacked. However, since I wasn't running Linux, I wasn't vulnerable. Linux is the favored operating system for most of the attackers on the Internet, which is another reason I don't use it. Last month I set up a high-performance database server. This machine runs FreeBSD, a different version of the BSD operating system. FreeBSD has gained notoriety in recent weeks because it powers Yahoo and Hotmail. The operating system also has a reputation for never crashing - while offering high performance and leading-edge features. I chose FreeBSD for the database server because FreeBSD has exceptionally good support for multiple execution threads within a single process, allowing the database server to be more responsive when more than one person is using it at the same time. OpenBSD is the ultra-secure version of BSD developed by programmers in Canada. Although all the BSD systems are reasonably secure, the dozen people who created OpenBSD spent more than four years doing a line-by-line audit of it, fixing security pitfalls other Unix vendors haven't even conceived. Because the OpenBSD team is based in Canada, it isn't hobbled by the antiquarian export control laws that stifle much of the US software industry. As a result, OpenBSD comes with military-grade cryptography deeply integrated into the core system. OpenBSD also comes with IPsec, the cryptographic extensions to the Internet's TCP/IP protocol that let systems automatically encrypt information before it is sent over the wire. This is the same software other companies sell for thousands of dollars. It's free with OpenBSD. (NetBSD should have a full implementation of IPsec by the end of the year; a version of IPsec is also available for Linux, but it isn't built-in.) All of these combine to make the operating system a good choice for firewalls and the paranoid. The three BSD operating systems are all descended from the BSD version of Unix developed at the University of California at Berkeley during the 1980s (''BSD'' stands for Berkeley Standard Distribution). They're also the descendants of Project GNU, started by Richard Stallman at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. There's a lot of infighting among the groups developing these three systems, but there's also a lot of cooperation, since all are distributed in source code. All can run most programs that are written for Linux, and frequently they can run the programs faster than Linux itself. If I had to pick out the single difference between the BSD community as a whole and the proponents of Linux, I would say it is something called ''correctness.'' The BSD developers are more concerned that the underlying technology in their operating systems be implemented in a manner consistent with the overall design of the systems. Linux developers, overall, are more interested in just putting together something that works. Another big difference is commercialism. Where the BSD projects are largely the work of individuals, businesses are now the driving force in the Linux community. This may be one reason proponents of Linux are frequently slow to admit the debt they owe to the Computer Science Research Group at Berkeley, which created BSD, and to the Free Software Foundation at MIT, the charitable organization that raised money for Project GNU. Although Linus Torvalds frequently gets the credit for creating Linux, he only wrote the system's kernel. The rest he cobbled together from other sources, largely BSD and GNU. Kirk McKusick wrote an excellent history of BSD in his essay ''Twenty Years of Berkeley Unix.'' You can find it in the book ''Open Sources,'' published by O'Reilly & Associates. It is also on line, along with the rest of the book, at www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html. Although Linux is a fine operating system, I would encourage businesses as well as advanced enthusiasts to take a serious look at the other choices. Technology writer Simson L. Garfinkel can be reached at plugged-in@simson.net. ================================================================ SIMSON-SAYS is Simson's column on computer issues that appears weekly in The Boston Globe and other newspapers. Please feel free to pass this column on to a friend. If you wish to subscribe to SIMSON-SAYS, just send an e-mail message with the word "subscribe" as its first line to simson-says@vineyard.net. This message (C) Simson L. Garfinkel. ============================================================ This message sent to the email address ingrid@cityscope.net as part of the simson-says mailing list To remove yourself from this mailing list, follow this link: http://www.vineyard.net/cgi-bin/ml/remove?id=390&pin=367571 -- ****************************** Ingrid Kast Fuller CityScope Computer Services CityScope Net 3910 Fairmont Parkway Suite K Pasadena, Texas 77504-3066 1 281-998-CITY (2489) Email: ingrid@cityscope.net Web: http://www.cityscope.net ****************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 16 5:36:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4008F1539A for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:36:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from cityscope.net (isdn194.cityscope.net [209.16.49.194]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA13947 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:36:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37E0E5EF.66828D88@cityscope.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:43:27 -0500 From: Ingrid Kast Fuller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Boston Globe Article Web Site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here's the webpage for that article Simson wrote: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/259/business/Even_better_than_Linux+.shtml -- ****************************** Ingrid Kast Fuller CityScope Computer Services CityScope Net 3910 Fairmont Parkway Suite K Pasadena, Texas 77504-3066 1 281-998-CITY (2489) Email: ingrid@cityscope.net Web: http://www.cityscope.net ****************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 16 6:30: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from acheron.middleboro.ma.us (acheron.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.72.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E261522E for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:29:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mason@acheron.middleboro.ma.us) Received: (from mason@localhost) by acheron.middleboro.ma.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07370; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:29:42 -0400 From: Mason Loring Bliss To: Joseph Scott Cc: "Neumann, Matthew C" , Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site Message-ID: <19990916092942.G1527@acheron.middleboro.ma.us> References: <37E03E9B.163ACC49@owp.csus.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <37E03E9B.163ACC49@owp.csus.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 12:49:31AM +0000, Joseph Scott wrote: > No one has come out and said it, but so far we've steered clear from > "duplicating" stuff from slashdot. I think there's a lot going on in > the BSD world, and it's growing. The Daily site seems worthwhile all on its own. I like it. I see it as easily being something I'll watch as frequently as SlashDot. There are a number of smallish news items that would be perfect for DDN that would likely never make it to SlashDot. My only suggestion would be to make the actual DaemonNews link a little more prominent, but that's totally subjective. -- Mason Loring Bliss mason@acheron.middleboro.ma.us They also surf who awake ? sleep : dream; http://acheron.ne.mediaone.net only stand on waves. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 16 9:26:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19121540D for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA90826; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37E11A2D.D1205DCF@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:26:21 +0000 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "advocacy@freebsd.org" , Chris Coleman Subject: Re: Unifying BSD news.. (Re: Daemon News Daily Site) References: <93745592601@reyes.somos.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Francisco Reyes wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:24:21 -0400 (EDT), Chris Coleman wrote: > > >Daemon News is expanding its News coverage to include a Daily Site. > >http://daily.daemonnews.org > > I have started to see a number of "Slasdot like" BSD sites. > http://freebsd.tesserae.com/ (Advocacy Site) freebsd.tesserae.com is the foundation for daily.daemonnews.org. Eventually freebsd.tesserae.com will either totally go away ( and point to daily.daemonnews.org ) or focus on something else. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 16 9:28: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED011561E for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:28:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA90830; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37E11A88.24F46B57@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:27:52 +0000 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ingrid Kast Fuller Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boston Globe Article Web Site References: <37E0E5EF.66828D88@cityscope.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ingrid Kast Fuller wrote: > > Here's the webpage for that article Simson wrote: > http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/259/business/Even_better_than_Linux+.shtml Please submit it to daily.daemonnews.org, this is perfect stuff for the site. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 16 10:50:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1C014DA3 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24439; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:12:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "advocacy@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Unifying BSD news.. (Re: Daemon News Daily Site) In-Reply-To: <93745592601@reyes.somos.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:24:21 -0400 (EDT), Chris Coleman wrote: > > >Daemon News is expanding its News coverage to include a Daily Site. > >http://daily.daemonnews.org > > I have started to see a number of "Slasdot like" BSD sites. > http://freebsd.tesserae.com/ (Advocacy Site) > FreeBSDRocks > osonline.org/bsd > > And now the daily news from DaemonNews. > > How about if a database system is created by which one story can be published to a single repository and > all the sites interested can load it. > > Articles will have categories so each site can decide what categories to pull. > Currently freebsd.tesserae.com pulls the freebsd articles off of the Daily Daemon News(DDN) site. FreeBSDRocks is a slightly different site, with more than just news, and only FreeBSD. osonline.org/bsd, well I guess they are our only real competition. Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 16 15:58:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8278815298 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:58:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id PAA17070; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA08445; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:45:05 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn4.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA01349; Thu, 16 Sep 99 15:56:57 PDT Message-Id: <37E175B9.2769A0BA@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:56:57 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Neumann, Matthew C" Cc: Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Neumann, Matthew C" wrote: > > I like it, too; my only concern is that it might duplicate what slashdot > does already. It does seem that rob runs a lot of BSD stuff on /. . Will > daemonnews be able to round up enough stories? Sure, at this one you won't have to wade through all the Linux-fest, Microsoft-hate, and Star Trek stories just to winnow out the BSD stuff. Of course, the BSD stuff *is* getting a little thicker on the ground. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 16 16:30:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from tok.qiv.com (tok.qiv.com [205.238.142.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C170F154A7; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdn@acp.qiv.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tok.qiv.com (MailHost/Current) with UUCP id SAA99193; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:30:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jdn@localhost) by acp.qiv.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA01126; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jdn@acp.qiv.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:29:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Nelson To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Rocking Globe article... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG An interesting article that reinforces my notion that we are doing things right;) -- Jay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:18:04 -0400 From: Mason Loring Bliss To: netbsd-advocacy@NetBSD.ORG Subject: Rocking Globe article... Cool, cool, cool... http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/259/business/Even_better_than_Linux+.shtml -- Mason Loring Bliss mason@acheron.middleboro.ma.us They also surf who awake ? sleep : dream; http://acheron.ne.mediaone.net only stand on waves. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 0: 2:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from orbit.zepa.net (orbit.zepa.net [205.245.53.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AF7614D8D for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:02:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bugo@zepa.net) Received: (qmail 64713 invoked by uid 1013); 17 Sep 1999 07:02:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Sep 1999 07:02:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Norberto Navarro To: Chris Coleman Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ah! THIS IS FANTASTIC! Best of luck! One small bit of constructive criticism: As far as asthetics are concerned, the page could use some fresh ideas. Not bad for a start though. I would say the same for daemonnews.org. I hope I havent offended anyone. THISI S GREAT! Cheers, BUGO Founder BSD Users Group of Orlando: http://bugo.zepa.net IRC: #BUGO on Efnet --- On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Chris Coleman wrote: > Daemon News is expanding its News coverage to include a Daily Site. > http://daily.daemonnews.org > > We are still in the development stage, but I think it's time to enlist the > BSD advocates. :-) > > Our target date for public announcements is the first of October. > > Now, we need to get feedback from people on how to make the site better. > > Also, I feel it is the responsibility of the advocates to keep the site > current and uptodate with what's going on. > > Please make sure you submit all BSD news as well as supporting systems > news, such as XFree86, Sendmail, etc.. to: > > http://daily.daemonnews.org/add_story.php3 > > We have also just made "user Comments" active and would like your > assistance in testing it. Feel free to comment on every article... WE > need to know if it will withstand the onslaught we hope for on the release > date. :-) > > > I would like the site to be in full operation on the 1st of October, so > send in news and add comments we can flush the bugs out. > > Chris Coleman > Daemon News Editor in Chief > http://www.daemonnews.org > Bringing BSD together > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 0: 9:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from forty-two.egroups.net (adsl-63-193-215-235.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.215.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6011514D8D for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:09:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@forty-two.egroups.net) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by forty-two.egroups.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA80018; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:08:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:08:41 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Norberto Navarro Cc: Chris Coleman , advocacy@freebsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site Message-ID: <19990917000841.L49731@forty-two.egroups.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Norberto Navarro on Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 03:02:49AM -0400 Organization: Zer0 Approved: graham.spanier Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 03:02:49AM -0400, Norberto Navarro wrote: > Ah! THIS IS FANTASTIC! Best of luck! > One small bit of constructive criticism: > As far as asthetics are concerned, the page could use some fresh ideas. > Not bad for a start though. I would say the same for daemonnews.org. I > hope I havent offended anyone. You have offended nobody. This is on the way. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Was Jimi's modem a Purple Hayes? mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 7:26:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vdsi.net (206-67-5-17.ashcom.net [206.67.5.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BA815802 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:26:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rseals@vdsi.net) Received: from rseals ([204.193.71.51]) by vdsi.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA22354 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:26:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rseals@vdsi.net) Message-ID: <000701bf0119$072d9060$120c1eac@magellanhealth.com> Reply-To: "Ray Seals" From: "Ray Seals" To: Subject: FYI - FreeBSD spotted at CompUSA in St. Louis Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:29:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Read the previous messages regarding the FreeBSD spottings. Made a trip just to see if it was true. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 8:10: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF8215823 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA61886; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id AB62414D7D; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19990917150738.AB62414D7D@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob@WhiteBarn.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Number: 13790 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: Kudos for Recent Press >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Sep 17 08:10:04 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bob Van Valzah >Release: 3.2-RELEASE >Organization: WhiteBarn >Environment: >Description: Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently. Keep up the good work! >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 10:50: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CC715857 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA75680; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909171750.KAA75680@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Reply-To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following reply was made to PR advocacy/13790; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Bob@WhiteBarn.com Cc: FreeBSD Gnats Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:40:21 +0200 [intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ] * Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]: > >>Number: 13790 >>Category: advocacy >>Description: >Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after >noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently. > >Keep up the good work! Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please, PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this. If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in that way. If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to maintain. Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree with me on this one. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Haste makes waste. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 11: 4:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BD4158DE; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from steve@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA76735; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:04:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199909171804.LAA76735@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Bob@WhiteBarn.com, steve@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: Kudos for Recent Press State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: steve State-Changed-When: Fri Sep 17 11:02:48 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Thanks from all of us for the kudos, but as Jeroen mentioned this really belongs on the mailing list, advocacy@freebsd.org, and not as a PR. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 11:15:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.tesserae.com (freebsd.tesserae.com [209.19.206.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A14E1587E for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:15:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Received: from localhost (pwiley@localhost) by freebsd.tesserae.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA35894 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:14:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Preston S. Wiley II" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Posters Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I heard a rumor a few months ago that we were going to start printing up some FreeBSD Posters like the few I saw on the FreeBSD Booth at the Linux World Expo. I really wish I could decorate my cubicle wall with one of those. Does anyone have any idea if and when this is going to happen? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 12:25:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.whitebarn.com (in.WhiteBarn.com [216.0.13.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0867514C26; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Bob@whitebarn.com) Received: from WhiteBarn.Com (BarnStorm.WhiteBarn.com [216.0.13.81]) by smtp.whitebarn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23402; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:24:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Bob@WhiteBarn.Com) Message-ID: <37E29581.DAEEEF6A@WhiteBarn.Com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:24:49 -0500 From: Bob Van Valzah Organization: WhiteBarn Web Works X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , steve@FreeBSD.org Cc: FreeBSD Gnats , Advocacy@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press References: <19990917150738.AB62414D7D@hub.freebsd.org> <19990917194021.D45243@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up. In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending E-Mail to the advocacy folks. I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've just tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.) I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in vain. I apologize. But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions 1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track it and close it? 2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits? 3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the search page hits lead there.) 4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to close a "noise" message and get on with it? Thanks for your consideration. Bob Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > [intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ] > > * Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]: > > > >>Number: 13790 > >>Category: advocacy > >>Description: > >Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after > >noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently. > > > >Keep up the good work! > > Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please, > PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this. > > If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all > are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in > that way. > > If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the > effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to > maintain. > > Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree > with me on this one. > > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl > The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project > Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best > Haste makes waste. --------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up.

In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending E-Mail to the advocacy folks.

I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've just tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.)

I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in vain.

I apologize.

But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions

  1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track it and close it?
  2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits?
  3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the search page hits lead there.)
  4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to close a "noise" message and get on with it?
Thanks for your consideration.

    Bob

Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:

[intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ]

* Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]:
>
>>Number:         13790
>>Category:       advocacy
>>Description:
>Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after
>noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently.
>
>Keep up the good work!

Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please,
PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this.

If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all
are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in
that way.

If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the
effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to
maintain.

Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree
with me on this one.

--
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai                  asmodai(at)wxs.nl
The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>
Network/Security Specialist        BSD: Technical excellence at its best
Haste makes waste.

--------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 12:30: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F60314CEF for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA85273; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909171930.MAA85273@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: From: Bob Van Valzah Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Reply-To: Bob Van Valzah Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following reply was made to PR advocacy/13790; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Bob Van Valzah To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , steve@FreeBSD.org Cc: FreeBSD Gnats , Advocacy@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:24:49 -0500 --------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up. In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending E-Mail to the advocacy folks. I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've just tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.) I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in vain. I apologize. But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions 1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track it and close it? 2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits? 3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the search page hits lead there.) 4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to close a "noise" message and get on with it? Thanks for your consideration. Bob Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > [intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ] > > * Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]: > > > >>Number: 13790 > >>Category: advocacy > >>Description: > >Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after > >noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently. > > > >Keep up the good work! > > Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please, > PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this. > > If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all > are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in > that way. > > If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the > effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to > maintain. > > Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree > with me on this one. > > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl > The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project > Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best > Haste makes waste. --------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up.

In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending E-Mail to the advocacy folks.

I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've just tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.)

I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in vain.

I apologize.

But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions

  1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track it and close it?
  2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits?
  3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the search page hits lead there.)
  4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to close a "noise" message and get on with it?
Thanks for your consideration.

    Bob

Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:

[intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ]

* Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]:
>
>>Number:         13790
>>Category:       advocacy
>>Description:
>Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after
>noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently.
>
>Keep up the good work!

Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please,
PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this.

If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all
are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in
that way.

If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the
effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to
maintain.

Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree
with me on this one.

--
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai                  asmodai(at)wxs.nl
The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>
Network/Security Specialist        BSD: Technical excellence at its best
Haste makes waste.

--------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 12:50:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEE81595E for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA87046; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909171950.MAA87046@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: From: Steve Price Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Reply-To: Steve Price Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following reply was made to PR advocacy/13790; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Steve Price To: Bob Van Valzah Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , FreeBSD Gnats Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:49:03 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Bob Van Valzah wrote: # But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions # # 1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable # problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track # it and close it? I added the advocacy category to cover problems encountered with the WWW pages on advocacy.freebsd.org. Don't know that it has proven to have been worhwhile since this site no longer exists. # 2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits? Probably because it is a relatively new list and doesn't see the amount of traffic that the other lists do. # 3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the # search page hits lead there.) It has gone away and been replaced with http://freebsd.tesserae.com/ among other sites, I believe. # 4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into # the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to # close a "noise" message and get on with it? Nope. It took me about 30 seconds to close the PR and type in my reasoning behind it. I have an account on the GNATS box so I closed it instead of Jeroen. To the best of my knowledge he doesn't have an account yet, though he does the Project a tremendous service by drudging through the PR database looking for things to help out with. # Thanks for your consideration. Thank you. -steve # Bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 13:35:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2542E14F6E for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA52906; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:34:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:34:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Bob Van Valzah Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press In-Reply-To: <199909171930.MAA85273@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Bob Van Valzah wrote: > I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the > hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere > in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to > imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as > say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in > vain. Did you look down the list to choose what mailing lists you would search through? Advocacy is right down there - in fact it's the _very_ first list. :-) Ah wait, after trying it I see you must have searched the FAQ and web pages. Oh well - as Steve has noted this wasn't a big deal. :-) > 2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits? Shrug - bad search routine? > 3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the > search page hits lead there.) Dead dead dead. As Steve noted this has been taken over by others. Ugh - and either you or Jeroen was sending HTML'ized email (or it was some goo in the PR response). Brett ***************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 13:53:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238981517A; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:53:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.10]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAB56AD; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:53:21 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA47419; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:51:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:51:36 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Bob Van Valzah Cc: steve@FreeBSD.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Message-ID: <19990917225136.A47384@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19990917150738.AB62414D7D@hub.freebsd.org> <19990917194021.D45243@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <37E29581.DAEEEF6A@WhiteBarn.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <37E29581.DAEEEF6A@WhiteBarn.Com> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Bob Van Valzah (Bob@whitebarn.com) [990917 22:34]: >Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development >projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system >clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up. >I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the >hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere >in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to >imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as >say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in >vain. The advocacy list is findable on the mailinglist pages though. >I apologize. That's quite alright. It's just that in the past the PR system has been kludged by things which should've been sent to -questions instead of clutter up the PR system. > 4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into > the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to > close a "noise" message and get on with it? It's not difficult, provided you have an account to do so. I tend to work in conjunction with Sheldon and Steve. This might mean to people like me who like to keep the machine steaming and rolling along to mayhaps reword things on appropriate pages/manuals and submit patches against that... Anyways, no harm done and we thank you for kind words, albeit not in the preferred way =) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Things do not change, we change. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 18 12: 0:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1851914DFB for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:00:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id DAA27338; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 03:59:51 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37E3CFF7.8DDA9643@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:46:31 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ethan Bakshy Cc: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, "Neumann, Matthew C" , Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site References: <19990915194543.B87186@enteract.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ethan Bakshy wrote: > > > Well, there are some things I can think of that would be appropriate for a > > BSD specific news site that wouldn't make it onto Slashdot. For instance, > > I think it would be cool if development anouncements like > > feature/code/ports freezes were published there. I just can't see /. > > posting that sort of thing. > > But /. really /should/. They sort of do that stuff for Linux. Why not BSD. It begs the question, then: does anyone submit this stuff to them? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Thus, over the years my wife and I have physically diverged. While I have zoomed toward a crusty middle-age, she has instead clung doggedly to the sweet bloom of youth. Naturally I think this unfair. Yet, if it was the other way around, I confess I wouldn't be happy either." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 18 18:35:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF2415116 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:35:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11SVsm-0000xY-00; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:35:13 -0600 Message-ID: <37E43DCE.77BB949@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:35:10 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Ethan Bakshy , brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, "Neumann, Matthew C" , Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site References: <19990915194543.B87186@enteract.com> <37E3CFF7.8DDA9643@newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > > Ethan Bakshy wrote: > > > > > Well, there are some things I can think of that would be appropriate for a > > > BSD specific news site that wouldn't make it onto Slashdot. For instance, > > > I think it would be cool if development anouncements like > > > feature/code/ports freezes were published there. I just can't see /. > > > posting that sort of thing. > > > > But /. really /should/. They sort of do that stuff for Linux. Why not BSD. > > It begs the question, then: does anyone submit this stuff to them? I used to. I got so little through the "it's not Linux" filter I gave up. I know Rob has said many times he'd like to cover FreeBSD more, but apparently that message hasn't filtered down to the zealots that throw away 90% of the BSD-related postings. On a separate note, I noticed a couple of late panic reactions to the recent FreeBSD Security Advisory on FTP servers. Should we be gating all *BSD Security Advisories and official announcements to daily? It strikes me as a good way to help get the news out. Perhaps we could get a volunteer from each project, or just get daily added to the correct mailing lists. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 18 18:51:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385C514CAE for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:51:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14930; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:51:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Wes Peters Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , Ethan Bakshy , brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, "Neumann, Matthew C" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site In-Reply-To: <37E43DCE.77BB949@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Perhaps we could get a volunteer from each project, or just get daily > added to the correct mailing lists. I have "approvers" from each camp, including BSDI, so you should have no problem getting your stuff approved. But I need people to submit stuff. Maybe if we had some volunteers to submit stuff on a regular basis, monitoring particular stuff such as security. You don;t need to officially volunteer, just do it. Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message