From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 19 11:16:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 5DF2F14C8F; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5751CD45D; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:16:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site In-Reply-To: <37E3CFF7.8DDA9643@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Ethan Bakshy wrote: > > > > > Well, there are some things I can think of that would be appropriate for a > > > BSD specific news site that wouldn't make it onto Slashdot. For instance, > > > I think it would be cool if development anouncements like > > > feature/code/ports freezes were published there. I just can't see /. > > > posting that sort of thing. > > > > But /. really /should/. They sort of do that stuff for Linux. Why not BSD. > > It begs the question, then: does anyone submit this stuff to them? Usually someone submits release announcements and the like - but there's no reason we can't be more vocal - e.g. just about anything which goes over -announce is material, as well as beta freezes, major new features added to -current, etc. This also of course applies to the other two camps with the appropriately translated terminology :-) Of course, it's no guarantee that it will all get published, but statistically at least some of it has to :) The more articles we get on /. the more mindshare we get from that crowd - I've definitely noticed the message threads becoming a lot more positive towards BSD in recent months. This is very encouraging. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 19 11:27:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F368B15177; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:27:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id DAA22930; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:27:15 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37E52AB4.B74AE867@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:25:56 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > Of course, it's no guarantee that it will all get published, but > statistically at least some of it has to :) The more articles we get on /. > the more mindshare we get from that crowd - I've definitely noticed the > message threads becoming a lot more positive towards BSD in recent months. > This is very encouraging. Yeah, well, more or less. The last few articles generated such an off-topic flame fest... :-( -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Thus, over the years my wife and I have physically diverged. While I have zoomed toward a crusty middle-age, she has instead clung doggedly to the sweet bloom of youth. Naturally I think this unfair. Yet, if it was the other way around, I confess I wouldn't be happy either." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 19 11:37:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 6C1D2158D2; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B78E1CD483; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:37:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site In-Reply-To: <37E52AB4.B74AE867@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > > Of course, it's no guarantee that it will all get published, but > > statistically at least some of it has to :) The more articles we get on /. > > the more mindshare we get from that crowd - I've definitely noticed the > > message threads becoming a lot more positive towards BSD in recent months. > > This is very encouraging. > > Yeah, well, more or less. The last few articles generated such an > off-topic flame fest... :-( Oh, well I guess I missed that one :-( Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 19 16: 1: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA8014BB8 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA65005; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:11:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:11:02 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Wes Peters Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , Ethan Bakshy , brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, "Neumann, Matthew C" , Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon News Daily Site Message-ID: <19990919231102.A64120@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Reply-To: nik@freebsd.org References: <19990915194543.B87186@enteract.com> <37E3CFF7.8DDA9643@newsguy.com> <37E43DCE.77BB949@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37E43DCE.77BB949@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 07:35:10PM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 07:35:10PM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > > It begs the question, then: does anyone submit this stuff to them? > > I used to. I got so little through the "it's not Linux" filter I gave up. > I know Rob has said many times he'd like to cover FreeBSD more, but > apparently that message hasn't filtered down to the zealots that throw > away 90% of the BSD-related postings. I feel kind of bad mentioning this now because I've had to keep my mouth shut for the past few weeks, and I've seen comments like this, and announcements from DaemonNews, tessarae, and others, fly past. There will doubtless be a formal announcement soon, but. . . One of the things Slashdot will be launching in the very near future is a BSD specific section. If you've seen the "Your Rights Online" spin off from the past few weeks it'll be a bit like that. It's for all the BSD stories that get submitted but that don't make it to the front page for one reason or another. How do I know this? Because Andover contacted me about a month ago and asked if I was interested in editing it. As you can imagine, I said "yes". It's taken a month or so to thrash out a few of the niggling details, which is why I haven't been able to mention this before. It'll be launching 'shortly' -- basically, I get to write the article that launches it, which I'll be doing over the next 7 days or so (that is, of course, unless anyone's got an article written *now* that they'd like to submit -- one of the reasons Andover are doing this is because they feel the BSD community is sufficiently large to support it, and launching with an article from A.N.Other member of the community would highlight that fact). I can feel a probable flood of questions coming on. For the time being, please direct them to me (I've set the Reply-To), and not to this list, or to anyone else @slashdot.org -- they're somewhat busy at the moment. And, if you can contain your excitement (:-) ) try and keep this quiet on /. itself. Also, bear with me, as it might take me a couple of days (or more) to respond. Apart from being in the midst of writing a FreeBSD book, and outlining this /. article (plus a continuation of the "unix tools for websites" article for DaemonNews) I'm moving house some time in the next 14 days. There's a regular 9-6 day job in there as well somewhere. . . N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 19 18:28:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21FC014BB8 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:28:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@black.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Free Software Award To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:28:36 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Kenneth Henry" Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1193 Message-Id: <19990920012847.21FC014BB8@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, The Free Software Foundation is asking for nominations for the 1999 Free Software Award. See http://www.gnu.org/award/award.html for more info. I'm going to nominate Jordan Hubbard :) Here's some of the info from the aforementioned page: Any kind of activity could be eligible--writing software, writing documentation, publishing CDs, even journalism--but whatever the activity, we want to recognize long-term central contributions to the development of the world of free software. "Accord with the spirit" means, for example, that software, manuals or collections of them (on tape or CD) must be entirely free. (Once again, that's free as in freedom; see our philosophy on selling free software) Work done commercially is eligible, but we want to give awards to individuals, not companies. Please send your nominations to award-nominations@gnu.org, on or before October 8. Please put the name of the person you are nominating in the message subject. Please include an explanation of the work the person has done and why you think it is especially important--but no more than 40 lines long. Also please state where to find the software which your nomination is based on. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 19 18:44:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2CE152E9 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20911; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Michael Kenneth Henry Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free Software Award In-Reply-To: <19990920012847.21FC014BB8@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Would you post this to daily.daemonnews.org Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Michael Kenneth Henry wrote: > > Hi all, > > The Free Software Foundation is asking for nominations for > the 1999 Free Software Award. See http://www.gnu.org/award/award.html > for more info. > > I'm going to nominate Jordan Hubbard :) > > > Here's some of the info from the aforementioned page: > > Any kind of activity could be eligible--writing software, writing > documentation, publishing CDs, even journalism--but whatever the > activity, we want to recognize long-term central contributions to > the development of the world of free software. "Accord with the spirit" > means, for example, that software, manuals or collections of them > (on tape or CD) must be entirely free. (Once again, that's free as > in freedom; see our philosophy on selling free software) Work done > commercially is eligible, but we want to give awards to individuals, > not companies. > > Please send your nominations to award-nominations@gnu.org, on or > before October 8. Please put the name of the person you are nominating > in the message subject. > > Please include an explanation of the work the person has done and why > you think it is especially important--but no more than 40 lines long. > Also please state where to find the software which your nomination is > based on. > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 20 0:36:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from impatience.valueclick.com (impatience.valueclick.com [216.64.159.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 16BB6156A8 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:36:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ask@valueclick.com) Received: (qmail 11758 invoked by uid 500); 20 Sep 1999 07:36:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 07:36:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ask Bjoern Hansen To: Joseph Scott Cc: Michael Kenneth Henry , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot-like site In-Reply-To: <37D3F749.718A236@owp.csus.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Joseph Scott wrote: [...] > > http://osonline.org/bsd/ > > > > Thought you might be interested. > > Hummm. I hadn't ever come across that site before. Although I thought > it was interesting that when I tried http://osonline.org/ it defaults to > /linux/ :-) Not here, with netscape on FreeBSD. :-) > As someone has already pointed out, the author claims that he wrote the > site himself in PHP. Slashdot is written in Perl ( last time I looked > anyway :-) Slashdot runs on apache/mod_perl. - ask -- ask bjoern hansen - more than 40M impressions per day, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 20 9:49: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from min.net (min.net [208.222.210.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D9714DBF for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:49:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from douglas@min.net) Received: from localhost (douglas@localhost) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18128; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:48:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas Winslow To: Ask Bjoern Hansen Cc: Joseph Scott , Michael Kenneth Henry , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot-like site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Joseph Scott wrote: > > [...] > > > http://osonline.org/bsd/ > > > > > > Thought you might be interested. > > > > Hummm. I hadn't ever come across that site before. Although I thought > > it was interesting that when I tried http://osonline.org/ it defaults to > > /linux/ :-) > > Not here, with netscape on FreeBSD. :-) If you aren't logged on with a user account on the site, it'll redirect you to whatever section it thinks is most appropriate based on your browser's user agent string. If you are using Lynx, it'll revert to a (very quickly hacked in) text-only mode. Someone mentioned that some Netscape versions may report as Linux 2.0.36 due to the FreeBSD's Linux emulation layer, but I'm not sure exactly how I can get around that. The biggest complaint is from people using the Junkbuster proxy, as it spoofs a Macintosh user agent string. :-) If you do happen to be logged on with the cookie, it'll redirect you to whichever section you were in when you were last visiting. > > As someone has already pointed out, the author claims that he wrote the > > site himself in PHP. Slashdot is written in Perl ( last time I looked > > anyway :-) > > Slashdot runs on apache/mod_perl. The code on osonline.org is PHP from top to bottom. It started out as my first PHP program, which was a plain vanilla threaded message board. Now it's grown into this monstrosity. :-) All of the development was done at home on a FreeBSD machine running the apache13-php3 port with the PostgreSQL option enabled. It's currently running (very happily) on a 3.3-RC FreeBSD box co-located at my job. -- Douglas R. Winslow III MetroNet Internet Services, LLC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 20 14:29:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.psn.net (saturn.psn.net [207.211.58.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4D614EF7 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (5042-243.008.popsite.net [209.224.140.243]) by saturn.psn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20184; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:36:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11611; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:29:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Douglas Winslow Subject: Re: Slashdot-like site Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20-Sep-99 Douglas Winslow wrote: > If you aren't logged on with a user account on the site, it'll redirect > you to whatever section it thinks is most appropriate based on your > browser's user agent string. If you are using Lynx, it'll revert to a > (very quickly hacked in) text-only mode. I assume you do this through PHP's ability to use apache's USER_AGENT env var. A very nice way to do it. > Someone mentioned that some Netscape versions may report as Linux 2.0.36 > due to the FreeBSD's Linux emulation layer, but I'm not sure exactly how I > can get around that. The biggest complaint is from people using the > Junkbuster proxy, as it spoofs a Macintosh user agent string. :-) Those people need to install the native version of Netscape. I run Netscape 4.61, and so my user agent string looks like this: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386; Nav) ..and I get redirected to the BSD page. ;) -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 21 9:59:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from web1302.mail.yahoo.com (web1302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A9E214DFB for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dipierro5@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990921171134.25707.rocketmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.66.25.75] by web1302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:11:34 PDT Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:11:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Anthony DiPierro Subject: looking for ammo To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm looking for some ammo to convince a client of mine to use freebsd vs. solaris for a server environment. Technically, we're looking at high numbers of simultaneous TCP connections in a robust scalable environment. I already have cdrom.com, hotmail.com, and yahoo.com as a list of others in a high scale environment using freebsd. cdrom.com is more in the space I'm developing for (long term FTP/TCP connections, as opposed to short term HTTP/TCP connections), but this would be a much higher number of connections (more like 500,000 vs 5,000, not necessarily on one box of course), at a much lower bandwidth. If anyone can give me an example of a freebsd box supporting something like that (or knows what aol or msns instant messenger servers are running), that would be perfect information. I also have wonderful free support (through the freebsd- mailing lists), access to source code, free os software, cheap os hardware on the freebsd side. I was looking for some more technical documentation, especially something showing scalabilty in the TCP stack. Of course, if this just isn't the case, I hope someone is willing to show that too. If comparison numbers aren't available, any freebsd specific numbers would be helpful too. I'll be looking for a solaris-advocacy mailing list, but something tells me I'm better off just calling their sales for this. TIA, K __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 21 23:34: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3261503F for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:34:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Tfyd-0001au-00; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:34:04 -0600 Message-ID: <37E8785A.C7B15EC4@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:34:02 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anthony DiPierro Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: looking for ammo References: <19990921171134.25707.rocketmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony DiPierro wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for some ammo to convince a client of mine > to use freebsd vs. solaris for a server environment. > Technically, we're looking at high numbers of > simultaneous TCP connections in a robust scalable > environment. I already have cdrom.com, hotmail.com, > and yahoo.com as a list of others in a high scale > environment using freebsd. cdrom.com is more in the > space I'm developing for (long term FTP/TCP > connections, as opposed to short term HTTP/TCP > connections), but this would be a much higher number > of connections (more like 500,000 vs 5,000, not > necessarily on one box of course), at a much lower > bandwidth. You'll probably want to ask on the ISP list. It sounds like you're looking into something with similar network access to an IRC server. I know both DES and Matt Dillon have worked a lot with large IRC servers. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 22 16:34:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from shell17.ba.best.com (shell17.ba.best.com [206.184.139.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DC8154AD for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toddpw@shell17.ba.best.com) Received: (from toddpw@localhost) by shell17.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id QAA28080; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Whitesel Message-Id: <199909222334.QAA28080@shell17.ba.best.com> Subject: PA-RISC box fire sale To: advocacy@freebsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@NetBSD.ORG, advocacy@openbsd.org, current-users@NetBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:34:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ Sorry for the wide distribution, but if you want to help bring *BSD to the PA-RISC, please respond to my work email (todd.whitesel@wrs.com) by thursday! ] If you are in the silicon valley area and you would like to put together a PA-RISC workstation for a few hundred bucks, read on, else delete. TAME, Inc. (1245 Birchwood Drive, Sunnyvale, 408-734-3091) held a fire sale on the 18th and left flyers on everyone's car in the parking lot at the Foothill college swap meet. I was intrigued and went over to check them out. I carted home a near-complete HP-9000/735 125mhz machine with a 6x2gig disk array and a nice HP 19" monitor, for less than $600 (it was a package deal). It took me over a week to find the right CD, but as of last night the machine is happily running 10.20 with the CDE graphical login and all that. Now that I know it works, I decided to get a second 99mhz box with lots of extra memory modules (these are HP proprietary overengineered things), so I just got off the phone with the guy who helped me on the 18th. According to him, they are working overtime to close down the Sunnyvale office by the end of the month. The HP boxes will be packed up late on friday (the 24th!), so if anyone else wants to buy PA-RISC boxes, I need to give him a list by midday friday -- earlier if possible. He doesn't have a lot of time to answer query phone calls during the closedown, but is willing to store some machines at his house for us to pick up after hours. Alternatively I could buy a stack of bare systems and sell them to folks. Whether or not I do this depends on the response I get. The base deal is $150 for an HP 9000/735 99mhz machine (back panel has 2 serial, 1 parallel, AUI ethernet, HD50 SCSI, HD68 HP-style fast/wide/diff SCSI) with 64 megs, and choice of internal disk cage (this is a removable unit that holds two 3.5" SCSI drives, with power and ribbon cable running from one back-panel connector to the drives and back out to a second back- panel connector) to be used with either of the two back-panel SCSI ports. Mouse and US keyboard are included. A 125mhz version of the same base deal is $250. They have at least 8meg, 16meg, and 32meg memory modules available, and limited quantities of other useful expansion items: mono and color graphics boards (I got the color one which is a "CRX" board with BNC output, 1280x1024) and EISA riser cards (this is a board that goes next to the power supply and provides one EISA slot complete with PC-style back panel plate). I'm not sure about the pricing on these, but I think it will be on the order of $15 for 8megs and $50 for a graphics board. They probably still have HP 19" monitors available for roughly $200-300 depending on whether you want fully refurbished or not. (N.B. these are fixed frequency monitors that take three BNC's and sync on green, but they are otherwise very nice monitors.) Once again, please send replies to me at todd.whitesel@wrs.com instead of calling TAME, at least for now -- they had a skeleton crew in the building a week ago, and the two guys who know anything about these systems are working full-time on the closedown. Todd Whitesel toddpw @ best.com todd.whitesel@wrs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 22 19:33:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from server.computeralt.com (server.computeralt.com [207.41.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E259E15870; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:33:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@computeralt.com) Received: from scott (scott.computeralt.com [207.41.29.100]) by server.computeralt.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15011; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.4.19990922223147.00d79980@mail.computeralt.com> X-Sender: scott@mail.computeralt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1.4 (Beta) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:34:42 -0400 To: FreeBSD Questions From: "Scott I. Remick" Subject: What happened to the Advocacy page? Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can someone explain to me what happened to the Advocacy page? I had been trying to find it again and had wondered what had happened to it as it no longer worked, and I could find no mention of it until just recently in the "Real-Quick Newsletter". Why was it discontinued? This is a shame... when it was created I was so glad because I had felt for a long time that FreeBSD needed just such a thing, and planned on constantly looking to it for ammunition. ----------------------- Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 22 20:43:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC28154CC for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:43:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA41270; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:43:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:43:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: "Scott I. Remick" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What happened to the Advocacy page? In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.4.19990922223147.00d79980@mail.computeralt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, (-questions removed from CC list) On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Scott I. Remick wrote: > Can someone explain to me what happened to the Advocacy page? It died - for a large number of reasons. You can go search through the -advocacy mailing list (there's a search engine at www.freebsd.org/search) which will fill you in on the various reasons why it died. It's place has been taken, unofficially, by: http://freebsd.tesserae.com/ which is also hosting the new daily.daemonnews.org. Brett ***************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 22 21:46:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mcp.csh.rit.edu (mcp.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D751517A for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:46:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markd@csh.rit.edu) Received: from gibson.csh.rit.edu (IDENT:markd@gibson.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.15]) by mcp.csh.rit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14075 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Dunham Received: (from markd@localhost) by gibson.csh.rit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28441 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:46:58 -0400 To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: *BSD or FreeBSD user groups Message-ID: <19990923004657.B24729@csh.rit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i X-Operating-System: OSF1 alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My fellow advocates, Myself and some friends are planning on starting a users group in our area. ( Rochester, NY for those interested. ) We are still debating whether to make it a FreeBSD users group, or a general BSD users group. I'm wondering if having a *BSD group will result in a users group less focused and hence less capable of addressing members needs and such. Does anyone out there have experience on the FreeBSD vs. *BSD users group issue? Any thoughts are welcome. Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 23 0: 0:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2DC14C49 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.96]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAB1AF8; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:00:44 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06168; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:00:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:00:04 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Mark Dunham Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: *BSD or FreeBSD user groups Message-ID: <19990923090004.C6137@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19990923004657.B24729@csh.rit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <19990923004657.B24729@csh.rit.edu> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Mark Dunham (markd@csh.rit.edu) [990923 08:37]: >My fellow advocates, > >Myself and some friends are planning on starting a users group in our area. ( Rochester, NY for those interested. ) We are still debating whether to make it a FreeBSD users group, or a general BSD users group. I'm wondering if having a *BSD group will result in a users group less focused and hence less capable of addressing members needs and such. Does anyone out there have experience on the FreeBSD vs. *BSD users group issue? Any thoughts are welcome. Personally I don't think being a BSD UG will be causing less-focused meetings. In fact I believe quite the opposite. NetBSD and OpenBSD do certain things for different reasons and it might be beneficial to listen to their point of view and have them listen to FreeBSD's. That way, everyone in general gets more clueful about the whole BSD issue, which can never be bad, no? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best There is no greater sorrow than to recall, in misery, the time when we were happy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 23 0: 0:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD68914FF1 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.96]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAC1AF8; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:00:45 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06158; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:57:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:57:52 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Todd Whitesel Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@NetBSD.ORG, advocacy@openbsd.org, current-users@NetBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PA-RISC box fire sale Message-ID: <19990923085752.B6137@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <199909222334.QAA28080@shell17.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <199909222334.QAA28080@shell17.ba.best.com> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Todd Whitesel (toddpw@best.com) [990923 02:37]: >[ Sorry for the wide distribution, but if you want to help bring *BSD to the >PA-RISC, please respond to my work email (todd.whitesel@wrs.com) by thursday! ] Basic infrastructure for support ELF binaries is in place on FreeBSD, and I am 99% both NetBSD and OpenBSD have EM_PARISC in their elf_common.h's. Although there still are some additional things which might need to be added, I will go through my HP-RISC ABI docs again. The main idea will be people who actually have access to such a beast, to start messing around with the hardware probes and getting specs for the hardware. I wish you luck, since HP isn't very forthcoming with technical information. [I am still struggling to get ahold of the J2970A NIC techdocs] If we continue this thread we probably need to relocate it to the appropriate hacker/tech lists. Kind regards, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best There is no greater sorrow than to recall, in misery, the time when we were happy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 23 0: 4:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from abatis.sweb.com (ip-140-066.gw.total-web.net [209.187.140.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C684714C49 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zaph0d@sweb.com) Received: from localhost (zaph0d@localhost) by abatis.sweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA10291; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 03:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 03:04:28 -0400 (EDT) From: john To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Mark Dunham , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *BSD or FreeBSD user groups In-Reply-To: <19990923090004.C6137@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, Aside from this issue.. and apologies if this has already been addressed. But if one is to be started, is there some sort of offical listing out there people can refer to for their local area? On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > * Mark Dunham (markd@csh.rit.edu) [990923 08:37]: > >My fellow advocates, > > > >Myself and some friends are planning on starting a users group in our area. ( Rochester, NY for those interested. ) We are still debating whether to make it a FreeBSD users group, or a general BSD users group. I'm wondering if having a *BSD group will result in a users group less focused and hence less capable of addressing members needs and such. Does anyone out there have experience on the FreeBSD vs. *BSD users group issue? Any thoughts are welcome. > > Personally I don't think being a BSD UG will be causing less-focused > meetings. In fact I believe quite the opposite. NetBSD and OpenBSD do > certain things for different reasons and it might be beneficial to > listen to their point of view and have them listen to FreeBSD's. > > That way, everyone in general gets more clueful about the whole BSD > issue, which can never be bad, no? > > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl > The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project > Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best > There is no greater sorrow than to recall, in misery, the time when we > were happy. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 23 0:30:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136B41536B for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id QAA47343; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:59:48 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:59:48 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: john Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , Mark Dunham , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *BSD or FreeBSD user groups Message-ID: <19990923165948.B42271@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19990923090004.C6137@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] On Thursday, 23 September 1999 at 3:04:28 -0400, john wrote: > On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >> Mark Dunham (markd@csh.rit.edu) [990923 08:37]: >>> My fellow advocates, >>> >>> Myself and some friends are planning on starting a users group in >>> our area. ( Rochester, NY for those interested. ) We are still >>> debating whether to make it a FreeBSD users group, or a general BSD >>> users group. I'm wondering if having a *BSD group will result in a >>> users group less focused and hence less capable of addressing >>> members needs and such. Does anyone out there have experience on >>> the FreeBSD vs. *BSD users group issue? Any thoughts are welcome. >> >> Personally I don't think being a BSD UG will be causing less-focused >> meetings. In fact I believe quite the opposite. NetBSD and OpenBSD do >> certain things for different reasons and it might be beneficial to >> listen to their point of view and have them listen to FreeBSD's. >> >> That way, everyone in general gets more clueful about the whole BSD >> issue, which can never be bad, no? > > Well, > > Aside from this issue.. and apologies if this has already been addressed. > But if one is to be started, is there some sort of offical listing out > there people can refer to for their local area? Yes, take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#user. If you're running a group which isn't mentioned there, please send me details and I'll add them. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 23 0:33: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBD9157EF for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.96]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA57BC; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:32:50 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06353; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:32:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:32:46 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: john Cc: Mark Dunham , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *BSD or FreeBSD user groups Message-ID: <19990923093246.C6181@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19990923090004.C6137@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * john (zaph0d@sweb.com) [990923 09:22]: >Aside from this issue.. and apologies if this has already been addressed. >But if one is to be started, is there some sort of offical listing out >there people can refer to for their local area? Sorry for sounding a little cynical, but if you looked carefully at the frontpage of www.freebsd.org you would have seen this beautiful link called Usergroups which links to http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#user and holds a list of FreeBSD usergroups. Alternatively: http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/groups.html HTH, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best There is no greater sorrow than to recall, in misery, the time when we were happy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 23 2:18:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from data.innotrac.fi (data.innotrac.fi [193.94.103.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACB1154E9 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomja@InnoTrac.fi) Received: from localhost (tomja@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.innotrac.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA30963; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:17:30 +0300 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:17:29 +0300 (EEST) From: Tom Javen To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Todd Whitesel , advocacy@freebsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org, current-users@netbsd.org Subject: Re: PA-RISC box fire sale In-Reply-To: <19990923085752.B6137@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > * Todd Whitesel (toddpw@best.com) [990923 02:37]: > >[ Sorry for the wide distribution, but if you want to help bring *BSD to the > >PA-RISC, please respond to my work email (todd.whitesel@wrs.com) by thursday! ] > > Basic infrastructure for support ELF binaries is in place on FreeBSD, > and I am 99% both NetBSD and OpenBSD have EM_PARISC in their > elf_common.h's. Is there support for linker/assembler/compiler ? Tom -- =============================+=========================== Tom Javen | Innotrac Diagnostics Oy email tom.javen@innotrac.fi | Finland gsm +358-40-5860532 | phone +358-2-2410025 | fax +358-2-2410024 =============================+=========================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 23 2:39:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D21E159C6; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11U5Kn-0000uy-00; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:38:37 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: "Scott I. Remick" Cc: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What happened to the Advocacy page? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:34:42 -0400." <4.2.1.4.19990922223147.00d79980@mail.computeralt.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:38:37 +0200 Message-ID: <3531.938079517@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:34:42 -0400, "Scott I. Remick" wrote: > Can someone explain to me what happened to the Advocacy page? Cancelled due to lack of interest. :-) From what I was told when I last asked, it was a combination of lack of time on the part of the maintainers, and scarcity of contributions from others. Ciao, Sheldon. PS: Next time, don't cross-post. The advocacy list was sufficient. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 23 4:17:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD6D14EC2; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.198.238]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA61A4; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:16:37 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00967; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:58:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:58:03 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Tom Javen Cc: Todd Whitesel , advocacy@freebsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org, current-users@netbsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PA-RISC box fire sale Message-ID: <19990923125803.A671@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19990923085752.B6137@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Tom Javen (tomja@InnoTrac.fi) [990923 12:54]: >On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >> * Todd Whitesel (toddpw@best.com) [990923 02:37]: >> >[ Sorry for the wide distribution, but if you want to help bring *BSD to the >> >PA-RISC, please respond to my work email (todd.whitesel@wrs.com) by thursday! ] >> >> Basic infrastructure for support ELF binaries is in place on FreeBSD, >> and I am 99% both NetBSD and OpenBSD have EM_PARISC in their >> elf_common.h's. >Is there support for linker/assembler/compiler ? Well there should be... I know that the basic provisions each of the BSD's has for the ELF binaries is there. However since I am no expert at the recent egcs stuff and what it does and does not support I decided to cc: David O'Brien on this. David's practically the main man behind the working of egcs in FreeBSD. I am sure he can comment at least on the linker/assembler/compiler aspect for FreeBSD. I don't expect NetBSD nor OpenBSD to be much different. David? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best There is no greater sorrow than to recall, in misery, the time when we were happy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 23 4:37:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from data.innotrac.fi (data.innotrac.fi [193.94.103.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2871615025; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:37:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomja@InnoTrac.fi) Received: from localhost (tomja@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.innotrac.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA31465; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:35:40 +0300 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:35:38 +0300 (EEST) From: Tom Javen To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Todd Whitesel , advocacy@freebsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org, current-users@netbsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PA-RISC box fire sale In-Reply-To: <19990923125803.A671@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > * Tom Javen (tomja@InnoTrac.fi) [990923 12:54]: > >On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > > >> * Todd Whitesel (toddpw@best.com) [990923 02:37]: > >> >[ Sorry for the wide distribution, but if you want to help bring *BSD to the > >> >PA-RISC, please respond to my work email (todd.whitesel@wrs.com) by thursday! ] > >> > >> Basic infrastructure for support ELF binaries is in place on FreeBSD, > >> and I am 99% both NetBSD and OpenBSD have EM_PARISC in their > >> elf_common.h's. > > >Is there support for linker/assembler/compiler ? > > Well there should be... > > I know that the basic provisions each of the BSD's has for the ELF > binaries is there. However since I am no expert at the recent egcs > stuff and what it does and does not support I decided to cc: David > O'Brien on this. David's practically the main man behind the working > of egcs in FreeBSD. Last time I looked there were some problems with the linker or bugs in the bfd library. (in binutils 2.9.1 , is this the latest ?) Tom -- =============================+=========================== Tom Javen | Innotrac Diagnostics Oy email tom.javen@innotrac.fi | Finland gsm +358-40-5860532 | phone +358-2-2410025 | fax +358-2-2410024 =============================+=========================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 23 7:16: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0E515958 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:15:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11U9dE-0001EV-00; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:13:56 -0600 Message-ID: <37EA35A4.E3D2F0F5@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:13:56 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Mark Dunham , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *BSD or FreeBSD user groups References: <19990923004657.B24729@csh.rit.edu> <19990923090004.C6137@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > * Mark Dunham (markd@csh.rit.edu) [990923 08:37]: > >My fellow advocates, > > > > Myself and some friends are planning on starting a users group in our > > area. ( Rochester, NY for those interested. ) We are still debating > > whether to make it a FreeBSD users group, or a general BSD users group. > > I'm wondering if having a *BSD group will result in a users group less > > focused and hence less capable of addressing members needs and such. > > Does anyone out there have experience on the FreeBSD vs. *BSD users > > group issue? Any thoughts are welcome. > > Personally I don't think being a BSD UG will be causing less-focused > meetings. In fact I believe quite the opposite. NetBSD and OpenBSD do > certain things for different reasons and it might be beneficial to > listen to their point of view and have them listen to FreeBSD's. User Groups also need to reach a critical mass in terms of size to remain healthy. Opening your membership to all BSD users may help you reach and maintain that critical mass. You can always create Special Interest Groups if you get so many users you need to specialize. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 24 7:16:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from radphy-royle-pc.medphys.ucl.ac.uk (alister.w.easynet.co.uk [212.212.251.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B2214FAF; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frankrj@netscape.net) Received: from netscape.net (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by radphy-royle-pc.medphys.ucl.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09856; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:17:53 GMT (envelope-from frankrj@netscape.net) Message-ID: <37EB9620.27922BB9@netscape.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:17:52 +0000 From: Francis Jordan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Another commercial database app for FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just to let you know that "Embedded Empress Developer's Toolkit" is now available for FreeBSD: http://www.empress.com/ I admit to only giving it a quick glance, but I didn't see it mentioned in the Commercial Vendors section of http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/software_bycat.html I apologize if you already know about it. Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 24 18:12:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A3C81556A for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:12:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 40646 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 01:12:27 -0000 Received: from 207-229-172-148.d.enteract.com (HELO wildrock) (207.229.172.148) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 01:12:27 -0000 From: "Chris Silva" To: Subject: Advocacy site Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:12:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Are you all still looking for a site to host the Advocacy pages? If so - let me know... I have a domain. Best regards, Chris _____________________________________________________________________ RSA Key Fingerprint = 6D0B 5536 7825 3D09 9093 384A 9694 FDB6 RSA Key Fingerprint = 4390 44E5 E316 F2AA A11E 5755 F3F9 D69B DH/DSS Fingerprint = 089B 0B5C 75C7 A7B4 B050 DD14 2D65 5DD6 E87D 239A PGP Mail encouraged / preferred - keys available on common key servers _____________________________________________________________________ Proud supporter of FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and BSDi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 24 18:20:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.psn.net (saturn.psn.net [207.211.58.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF8314BDC for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:20:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (5042-243.008.popsite.net [209.224.140.243]) by saturn.psn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03621; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:28:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA41480; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:20:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Chris Silva Subject: RE: Advocacy site Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 25-Sep-99 Chris Silva wrote: > Are you all still looking for a site to host the Advocacy pages? > If so - let me know... I have a domain. See http://freebsd.tesserae.com/ - its void has been filled. Of course, you could make up your own "advocacy"-type page. :) -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 24 18:27: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 583B814BDC for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 46378 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 01:27:01 -0000 Received: from 207-229-172-148.d.enteract.com (HELO wildrock) (207.229.172.148) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 01:27:01 -0000 From: "Chris Silva" To: Subject: RE: Advocacy site Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:27:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >See http://freebsd.tesserae.com/ - its void has been filled. Of course, you >could make up your own "advocacy"-type page. :) Ok - then makeworld.com will go by the wayside. Best regards, Chris _____________________________________________________________________ RSA Key Fingerprint = 6D0B 5536 7825 3D09 9093 384A 9694 FDB6 RSA Key Fingerprint = 4390 44E5 E316 F2AA A11E 5755 F3F9 D69B DH/DSS Fingerprint = 089B 0B5C 75C7 A7B4 B050 DD14 2D65 5DD6 E87D 239A PGP Mail encouraged / preferred - keys available on common key servers _____________________________________________________________________ Proud supporter of FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and BSDi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 25 20:32:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vivien.franken.de (vivien.franken.de [194.94.249.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B5314C36 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:32:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@vivien.franken.de) Received: (from alex@localhost) by vivien.franken.de (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA64078 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 05:32:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 05:32:33 +0200 From: Alexander Goller To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Intel inBusiness Storage Station Message-ID: <19990926053233.A62708@vivien.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, i just came across a one page article about the Intel InBusiness Storage Station in the german c't computer magazine 20/99 (one of the better ones up here). The Storage Station is some kind of Networked Attached Storage, similar to Netgear and the author claims it is running FreeBSD together with a journaling file system from Intel. Intel is not mentioning FreeBSD after a first glance. Any comments on this ? bye, alex -- Alexander 'decay' Goller e-mail: alex@vivien.franken.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message