From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 26 6:51:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vivien.franken.de (vivien.franken.de [194.94.249.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F124614BDA for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 06:51:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@vivien.franken.de) Received: (from alex@localhost) by vivien.franken.de (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA65146 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:51:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:51:48 +0200 From: Alexander Goller To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel inBusiness Storage Station Message-ID: <19990926155148.C62708@vivien.franken.de> References: <19990926053233.A62708@vivien.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <19990926053233.A62708@vivien.franken.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Heya,=20 On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 05:32:33AM +0200, Alexander Goller wrote: > Hi,=20 >=20 > i just came across a one page article about the Intel InBusiness > Storage Station in the german c't computer magazine 20/99 (one of the=20 > better ones up here). The Storage Station is some kind of Networked=20 > Attached Storage, similar to Netgear and the author claims it is=20 > running FreeBSD together with a journaling file system from Intel.=20 > Intel is not mentioning FreeBSD after a first glance. > Any comments on this ?=20 Ok, i mailed the author of the article and he says that a FreeBSD login prompt appears when he logs in via telnet :) He also said he contacted some Intel technician which confirmed it's running FreeBSD. I don't really know if it was known before, i grepped my mailing list archives and didn't find anything, so maybe that's some news for advocacy. bye, alex --=20 Alexander 'decay' Goller=20 e-mail: alex@vivien.franken.de fon: +49 170 211 8557 pgp - 2048/09314EBD pgp - 98 A8 0A DD 4B 8E 92 52 05 D0 CA 8E D7 87 B3 B3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 26 18: 6:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D02914F7C for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA25778; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:36:23 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:36:23 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: dev_webmaster@sgi.com Cc: FreeBSD advocacy list , advocacy@NetBSD.org, advocacy@OpenBSD.org Subject: Tom Mead's article at http://www.sgi.com/developers/oss/sgi_resources/feature2.html Message-ID: <19990927103623.X46202@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I can't find any feedback addresses on your web site, so I'm asking you to forward this to Tom Mead: I've just read part of this article, in which you state: Another model is the cooperative model, in which a diverse community of cooperative developers work together, even if separated by thousands of miles, to build an operating system. BSD UNIX [from the Computer Systems Research Group (CSRG) at Berkeley] is an example of this model. BSD was an early Open Source project and it worked very well. But then it went from being a university effort to a commercial one. Commercial vendors splintered it into proprietary, competitive efforts supported by different companies fielding expensive development teams, and we got another example of the remarkably inefficient system software world we've ruefully come to inhabit. I am completely at a loss to understand what you mean with this statement. Personal opinions are one thing, but this is just so far from the truth that I can't understand what you mean with it. Can you name one commercial vendor who did this? It's possible, I suppose, that you're thinking of Sun Microsystems in the 80s, but that's rather inaccurate: the development wasn't Open Source (it relied on AT&T's UNIX licence, which cost big money). On the other hand, there are currently three healthy Open Source BSD projects which do very well without commercial interests. I can't believe you haven't heard of them, but if you haven't, you should check out http://www.FreeBSD.org/, http://www.NetBSD.org/ and http://www.OpenBSD.org/. The dangers you describe in this article appear to apply more to the way that Linux is going. We don't have to look further than SGI to see which Open Source project is attracting commercial attention. I'd appreciate it if you would clarify and correct what you mean in this paragraph. Greg Lehey -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 26 18: 7:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netwalk.com (mail.netwalk.com [216.69.192.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4FD14F7C for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@netwalk.com) Received: from pokey.local.net (root@arc9-111.wblt.netwalk.net [216.69.202.111]) by mail.netwalk.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08028; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:07:29 -0400 Received: from insomnia.local.net (insomnia.local.net [192.168.2.3]) by pokey.local.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA54652; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:06:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.local.net) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" Reply-To: jmutter@netwalk.com To: Alexander Goller Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel inBusiness Storage Station In-Reply-To: <19990926155148.C62708@vivien.franken.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> i just came across a one page article about the Intel InBusiness :> Storage Station in the german c't computer magazine 20/99 (one of the :> better ones up here). The Storage Station is some kind of Networked :> Attached Storage, similar to Netgear and the author claims it is :> running FreeBSD together with a journaling file system from Intel. :> Intel is not mentioning FreeBSD after a first glance. :> Any comments on this ? : :Ok, i mailed the author of the article and he says that a FreeBSD :login prompt appears when he logs in via telnet :) He also said he :contacted some Intel technician which confirmed it's running FreeBSD. :I don't really know if it was known before, i grepped my mailing list :archives and didn't find anything, so maybe that's some news for :advocacy. : Anyone with contacts at Intel care to confirm this? Would it be possible to get Intel to make this public knowledge (if it is indeed true). I imagine with all the press that opensource has been getting lately that this would be a good thing for Intel, no? -- Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 27 8:53:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AE4615037 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noeldamonmiller@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990927155543.20641.rocketmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.138.28.180] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:55:43 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:55:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Noel Miller Subject: join To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Freebsd advocacy group, I want to join you mailing list. Please let me know SOP. Noel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 27 19:50: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 8173215724; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621C01CD476; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Scott I. Remick" Cc: security@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help me win the MS-Proxy/ipfw war In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.4.19990927195047.00d813e0@mail.computeralt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Scott I. Remick wrote: > THEY (everyone but me) want MS Proxy because we're a MCSP and they want us > to use what we're going to sell, so that we're familiar with it (the > suggestion that we use FreeBSD/ipfw and sell that too seems to have fallen > on deaf ears). Of course, the fact is that no one actually spends time on > this stuff other than me anyway, even though it's set up with the intent > that all techs can learn from what we have installed in-house. That > argument, too, seems to not be working. Nor the vast difference in > hardware requirements (what would you consider the recommended hardware for > a FreeBSD firewall gateway to a 128K ISDN link?). Cost of the actual > software is $0 in either event, as we get to use MS software for free due > to our MCSP status. This is more of an advocacy question than a security one, so I've directed this reply there. Please remove -security from any further responses. Giving management a concise (installation and projected ongoing) cost breakdown of the two solutions based on prior performance of the FreeBSD system vs. the NT one, plus supporting material like the hotmail/yahoo/BEST/etc cases, is probably a good solution. Point out that the system should be "set and forget", and if it's something which you need to keep tinkering with, then it's not a good solution. Many people have been jaded into thinking that all computers crash at least once a day, because these are the high-profile ones, so the little UNIX box which chugs over in the corner for a year without falling over is very easy to forget about. As you mentioned, it's in the best interests of the admins to have a system which is high-maintenance, so this keeps them in a job. Management may not like having this made clear to them or being played for fools, especially if the admins have said it outright :-) Hardware-wise, you really don't need much at all for a small organisation - an old pentium would probably handle the job just fine, and certainly the smallest new PC you can find thesedays would be overkill. Lots of people seem to have trouble accepting this - after all, if Intel sell Pentium III 550 chips to go in servers, that must be what you need thesedays for a server, right? The fact that ftp.cdrom.com is a single-CPU machine with and is the world's busiest FTP server (and is I/O limited, not CPU limited) may help your case here. Ultimately, if they're really not listening to your expertise and you're not likely to get any additional internal support, then vote with your feet and find a more open-minded employee who isn't in the back pocket of M$. On the other hand, you might like to wait a month or two for all the problems to develop with NT so you can see if they become more receptive :-) I guess this is an easy position to take for companies who spend all those dollars per year getting MSCP status (disclaimer: I don't know what sort of money is involved), so they "might as well just use" the M$ software they get for free as a result, because it's "obviously better" than the other stuff they can get for free. Good luck! Kris P.S. Dante (www.inet.no/dante) allegedly works well as an MS-PROXY server (as well as SOCKS5) and is under a nice BSD license, but gethostbyname() proxying doesn't work under FreeBSD last I checked, so this probably doesn't help you at all :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 27 20:41: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219EC1548A for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Vo8O-0001sy-00; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:40:56 -0600 Message-ID: <37F038C6.8F631E4A@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:40:54 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmutter@netwalk.com Cc: Alexander Goller , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel inBusiness Storage Station References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "James A. Mutter" wrote: > > :> i just came across a one page article about the Intel InBusiness > :> Storage Station in the german c't computer magazine 20/99 (one of the > :> better ones up here). The Storage Station is some kind of Networked > :> Attached Storage, similar to Netgear and the author claims it is > :> running FreeBSD together with a journaling file system from Intel. > :> Intel is not mentioning FreeBSD after a first glance. > :> Any comments on this ? > : > :Ok, i mailed the author of the article and he says that a FreeBSD > :login prompt appears when he logs in via telnet :) He also said he > :contacted some Intel technician which confirmed it's running FreeBSD. > :I don't really know if it was known before, i grepped my mailing list > :archives and didn't find anything, so maybe that's some news for > :advocacy. > : > > Anyone with contacts at Intel care to confirm this? Would it be > possible to get Intel to make this public knowledge (if it is indeed > true). I imagine with all the press that opensource has been getting > lately that this would be a good thing for Intel, no? Yes, I have contacts at Intel. The StorageStation was OEM'd, not done by the rest of the InBusiness team, for whom I used to work. There is a minor war going on inside Intel's Network Products Division over FreeBSD vs. Linux for future embedded projects, and the engineering manager who is fighting for FreeBSD -- a personal friend who hopes to win we back -- is unwilling to make any public statements of any sort until and unless FreeBSD wins the war. Given the battle I fought (and won) with the documentation staff at Intel, I'm certain you'll find a relatively complete set of copyright information somewhere in the printed docs. That should certainly contain enough to claim this as a FreeBSD port. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 27 21:56:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD11014BDA for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:56:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11VpJf-0000RK-00; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:56:39 -0600 Message-ID: <37F04A86.C9944B01@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:56:38 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: dev_webmaster@sgi.com, FreeBSD advocacy list , advocacy@NetBSD.org, advocacy@OpenBSD.org Subject: Re: Tom Mead's article at http://www.sgi.com/developers/oss/sgi_resources/feature2.html References: <19990927103623.X46202@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > I can't find any feedback addresses on your web site, so I'm asking > you to forward this to Tom Mead: Furthermore, I quote from the article: Marker said, "There are two models of unified development that result in a common infrastructure. The first model is an autocratic model. In an autocracy, a products' non-fragmented integrity is ensured by the top-down imposition of developmental structure, cohesion, and conformity enforced by an internal, non-democratic authority structure. What happens to the development when the the structure is imposed not by an autocracy, but rather by a single autocrat? The system continues to reflect only what he thinks is important, rather than what the ultimate users really want. This certainly describes the current development model for Linux to a T. You further take up space to outline the goals of the Open Source Initiative: The Open Source rules are: o Full, open release of the source code * o Unfettered redistribution of the code o The integrity of the author's source code must be maintained * o Permit derived works o Unfettered distribution of license o License must be specific to a product * o License must not contaminate other software o The code redistribution's may not contain clauses that discriminate - Against persons or groups * - Against fields of endeavor Despite the rambling justifications of Bruce Perens, it is obvious to the most casual observer that the GNU Public License does NOT meet the require- ments of the Open Source Definition I have highlighted above with asterisks. In point of fact, the first two requirements are in contention with each other, since "unfettered" redistribution of the code would allow distribution in binary form, disallowed by the requirement for source release. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 28 4: 4:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C146C15037 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 04:04:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.30]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAC4E3F; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:04:52 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA34967; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:56:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:56:16 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Wes Peters Cc: jmutter@netwalk.com, Alexander Goller , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel inBusiness Storage Station Message-ID: <19990928125615.B34224@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <37F038C6.8F631E4A@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <37F038C6.8F631E4A@softweyr.com> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On [19990928 09:02], Wes Peters (wes@softweyr.com) wrote: >Yes, I have contacts at Intel. The StorageStation was OEM'd, not done by >the rest of the InBusiness team, for whom I used to work. There is a >minor war going on inside Intel's Network Products Division over FreeBSD >vs. Linux for future embedded projects, and the engineering manager who >is fighting for FreeBSD -- a personal friend who hopes to win we back -- >is unwilling to make any public statements of any sort until and unless >FreeBSD wins the war. Wes, can you ask him what he needs in order to win even more ground over Linux? I am currently debugging my scripts which fully index /usr/src to DocBook format so that I am finally add the comments/explanation I wanted for the PDP without typing/cut/pasting every single file first and generating a DocBook frame around it. This, along with other source documentation things I am working on might persuade coders to chose for FreeBSD instead of Linux. [Thanks for Nik of course for making the FreeBSD DocBook framework in the first place] But this is only an area I am working on. If this isn't what he needs then get the other `responsible' parties into gear to at least make those areas more suitable. Hope I made some sense ;) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best We've laid together in the sun before the mind-rape has begun... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 28 8:29: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D5C14D52 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11VzBe-0006L0-00; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:29:04 -0600 Message-ID: <37F0DEBC.64450AC5@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:29:00 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: jmutter@netwalk.com, Alexander Goller , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel inBusiness Storage Station References: <37F038C6.8F631E4A@softweyr.com> <19990928125615.B34224@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > On [19990928 09:02], Wes Peters (wes@softweyr.com) wrote: > > >Yes, I have contacts at Intel. The StorageStation was OEM'd, not done by > >the rest of the InBusiness team, for whom I used to work. There is a > >minor war going on inside Intel's Network Products Division over FreeBSD > >vs. Linux for future embedded projects, and the engineering manager who > >is fighting for FreeBSD -- a personal friend who hopes to win we back -- > >is unwilling to make any public statements of any sort until and unless > >FreeBSD wins the war. > > Wes, > > can you ask him what he needs in order to win even more ground over > Linux? Nothing technical, it will be won or lost purely on the licensing argument. I'm sticking my nose into the same battle at my current employer. Same arguments, plus the fact that both are already using FreeBSD, not Linux, in currently shipping products. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 28 19: 7:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4C81585C for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from madscientist@thegrid.net) Received: from remus (adsl-63-193-246-169.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.246.169]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17084; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990928190018.00950cb0@mail.thegrid.net> X-Sender: i289861@mail.thegrid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:06:29 -0700 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: The Mad Scientist Subject: Re: Help me win the MS-Proxy/ipfw war Cc: "Scott I. Remick" In-Reply-To: References: <"Scott I. Remick"'s message of "Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:05:24 -0400"> <4.2.1.4.19990927195047.00d813e0@mail.computeralt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 01:26 PM 9/28/99 +0200, you wrote: >"Scott I. Remick" writes: >> (what would you consider the recommended hardware for >> a FreeBSD firewall gateway to a 128K ISDN link?). > >P90 with 32 MB RAM, an 800 MB disk, a high-speed RS232 port and an >NE2000 network adapter. > >Of course, that kind of stuff is so obsolete (thank you, Microsoft) >that you'd have a hard time getting your hands on it, so go for a >Celeron 350 or something. > >DES >-- >Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no I'm running a 486 75MHz with 16M and 800M disk, 3 NE2000 NICs. It runs a 22 rule set and NAT. (plus qmail, ssh, etc) You could probably just find this kind of hardware behind a computer store. The machine never pages, never drops under 90% idle cpu time. My connection is a 300K down/128K up DSL line. -Dean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 29 19:52:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D5CA151F6 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedi@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 7870 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1999 02:52:22 -0000 Received: from 207-229-172-61.d.enteract.com (HELO arrubin) (207.229.172.61) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 02:52:22 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01bf0aef$4384c760$010210ac@arrubin> From: "Anthony Rubin" To: , Subject: FreeBSD driver for DPT SmartRAID V Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:55:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG With the release of the Linux driver for the DPT SmartRAID V cards I imagine it is just a matter of time before we have a FreeBSD driver. I sent the following message to DPT. >I know this may be a long shot, but here goes. What would be the >possibilites of a FreeBSD driver for your SmartRAID V series? I know one >will probably be created eventually now that you released your Linux driver >with source, but I was hoping for one in the next month or so that I could >purchase a SmartRAID V for use in a FreeBSD box that I have. Thanks in >advance. > >Anthony Rubin >jedi@enteract.com >Hoffman Estates, IL Anthony Rubin jedi@enteract.com Hoffman Estates, IL To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 29 23:39:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F56815241 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07870; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:57:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Anthony Rubin Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD driver for DPT SmartRAID V In-Reply-To: <004f01bf0aef$4384c760$010210ac@arrubin> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Simon Shapiro is working on these drivers. -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@rush.net|alfred@freebsd.org] Wintelcom systems administrator and programmer - http://www.wintelcom.net/ [bright@wintelcom.net] On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Anthony Rubin wrote: > With the release of the Linux driver for the DPT SmartRAID V cards I imagine > it is just a matter of time before we have a FreeBSD driver. I sent the > following message to DPT. > > >I know this may be a long shot, but here goes. What would be the > >possibilites of a FreeBSD driver for your SmartRAID V series? I know one > >will probably be created eventually now that you released your Linux driver > >with source, but I was hoping for one in the next month or so that I could > >purchase a SmartRAID V for use in a FreeBSD box that I have. Thanks in > >advance. > > > >Anthony Rubin > >jedi@enteract.com > >Hoffman Estates, IL > > Anthony Rubin > jedi@enteract.com > Hoffman Estates, IL > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 30 2:48:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5585E159AE; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.181]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA34EF; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:48:22 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07312; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:22:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:22:39 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Anthony Rubin Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD driver for DPT SmartRAID V Message-ID: <19990930112239.B6954@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <004f01bf0aef$4384c760$010210ac@arrubin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <004f01bf0aef$4384c760$010210ac@arrubin> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On [19990930 08:14], Anthony Rubin (jedi@enteract.com) wrote: >With the release of the Linux driver for the DPT SmartRAID V cards I imagine >it is just a matter of time before we have a FreeBSD driver. I sent the >following message to DPT. > >>I know this may be a long shot, but here goes. What would be the >>possibilites of a FreeBSD driver for your SmartRAID V series? I know one >>will probably be created eventually now that you released your Linux driver >>with source, but I was hoping for one in the next month or so that I could >>purchase a SmartRAID V for use in a FreeBSD box that I have. Thanks in >>advance. If not, bug for tech-docs to be released free of NDA, whereas the FreeBSD hacker community will code the driver. This will impose no support for the driver upon DPT. Make sure to emphasize that. Another long shot. But it worked for other companies =) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Fame is the perfume of heroic deeds. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 30 17:15:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0F4415095 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:15:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedi@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 14404 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 00:15:10 -0000 Received: from 207-229-172-200.d.enteract.com (HELO arrubin) (207.229.172.200) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 00:15:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000501bf0ba2$6dfbf6e0$010210ac@arrubin> From: "Anthony Rubin" To: , Subject: Fw: FreeBSD Case # J69309N Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:18:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here is the response I got from DPT about FreeBSD drivers for their SmartRAID V cards. It looks as if they will be releasing a driver eventually. Anthony Rubin jedi@enteract.com Hoffman Estates, IL ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Anthony Rubin Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:02 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD Case # J69309N > > > Hello Anthony, > > Thank you for your message regarding the DPT SCSI host adapter.. At this time > we do not have a BETA driver to release. We > have had reports that there is one available on the web. If you go to Deja.com > and search for FreeBDS and DPT you should find > several links and messages. We will have drivers for FreeBSD in the near future. > > > If you have any questions or if I can be of further assistance regarding this > issue, please feel free to contact me using the case > number (J69309N) that has been assigned in the SUBJECT line of this message. > > Best Regards, > Joe Niderost > Technical Support Engineer, DPT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 30 17:17:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E775014D4E; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA14591; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:16:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Anthony Rubin Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fw: FreeBSD Case # J69309N In-Reply-To: <000501bf0ba2$6dfbf6e0$010210ac@arrubin> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Anthony Rubin wrote: > Here is the response I got from DPT about FreeBSD drivers for their > SmartRAID V cards. It looks as if they will be releasing a driver > eventually. Forgive me for a possibly stupid comment, but isn't this the board that Simon Shapiro has been working on (interrupted until recently by illness I believe...) > Anthony Rubin > jedi@enteract.com > Hoffman Estates, IL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: Anthony Rubin > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Case # J69309N > > > > > > > > Hello Anthony, > > > > Thank you for your message regarding the DPT SCSI host adapter.. At this > time > > we do not have a BETA driver to release. We > > have had reports that there is one available on the web. If you go to > Deja.com > > and search for FreeBDS and DPT you should find > > several links and messages. We will have drivers for FreeBSD in the near > future. > > > > > > If you have any questions or if I can be of further assistance regarding > this > > issue, please feel free to contact me using the case > > number (J69309N) that has been assigned in the SUBJECT line of this > message. > > > > Best Regards, > > Joe Niderost > > Technical Support Engineer, DPT > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message