From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 13 10:46:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sirius.ctr.columbia.edu (sirius.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C8D14C1F for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:46:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (wpaul@localhost) by sirius.ctr.columbia.edu (8.9.1/8.6.4.287) id NAA01613; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:46:44 -0400 (EDT) From: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu (Bill Paul) Message-Id: <199906131746.NAA01613@sirius.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Problems getting the 'rl' driver to work To: rene@canyon.demon.nl (Rene de Vries) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199906121708.TAA28335@canyon.demon.nl> from "Rene de Vries" at Jun 12, 99 07:08:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Rene de Vries had to walk into mine and say: > Hello, > > Due to a hardware failure I had to replace my DE500 card for the ultra-cheap > RealTek 8139. There is a saying that goes "that's like putting a jet engine on a rowboat." What you are attempting to do is exactly the opposite of that saying. Perhaps like trying to put oars on an aircraft carrier. > I know that the rl driver is slow, but the alpha is only my > extra test machine adn does not need to be fast. So I thought, it should be > possible to modify the existing rl driver to work on my alpha. I'm having > some problems doing this. > > After some hacking (correctly setting sc->rl_btag for alpha) the driver > compiled, but I got the following panic: > rl0: <RealTek 8139 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x10 int a irq 5 on pci0.12.0 > > unexpected machine check: [...] > With the help of some printf statments I found that the problem must be in > calling the 'CSR_WRITE_1(sc, RL_COMMAND, RL_CMD_RESET);' macro, which > translates to a 'bus_space_write_1'. I know that there is a problem/feature > on alphas keeping them from accessing memory at unaligned adresses, but I > assumed that that whould be handled in writeb (called from bus_space_write). I don't think this is the real problem. The situation is complicated somewhat by the fact that gdb on FreeBSD/Alpha isn't smart enough to debug kernel crash dumps (at least, I don't think it is) otherwise you would have a better way to track down the problem. The 3Com XL driver uses byte-wite I/O accesses in a few places and has no problems, so I'm doubtful that this is really what's tripping you up. Ideally, there should be only two things that need to be fixed in order to make this driver work with the Alpha: - rl_btag has to be set correctly, which you say you already did - Receive buffer handling has to be tweaked to force longword alignment of packet payload data. The RealTek driver uses m_devget()/m_copyback() to read packet data out of the receive buffer and into mbuf chains. The problem is that m_devget() doesn't allow you to specifty an offset into the mbuf data area, so all data starts at the very beginning of the mbuf, which is longword aligned. The ethernet header is only 14 bytes long though, so the actual packet data is only word aligned. The simplest thing to do is to copy two extra bytes from the receive buffer starting from the current buffer position minus 2. You can then use m_adj() to shave off the 2 leading bytes after the copying is done and end up with the proper alignment. I have some code to do this but I can't test it until Monday because my sample RealTek card is at work, and me and my alpha are at home. In the meantime, I would suggest trying to find another card. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "Mulder, toads just fell from the sky!" "I guess their parachutes didn't open." ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 13 13:10: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F39614D49 for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rene@canyon.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.15.212] (helo=canyon.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10tGZs-0005sR-00; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:10:00 +0000 Received: (from rene@localhost) by canyon.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA00550; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:55:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rene) From: Rene de Vries <rene@canyon.demon.nl> Message-Id: <199906131955.VAA00550@canyon.demon.nl> Subject: Re: Problems getting the 'rl' driver to work In-Reply-To: <199906131746.NAA01613@sirius.ctr.columbia.edu> from Bill Paul at "Jun 13, 1999 1:46:43 pm" To: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu (Bill Paul) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:55:45 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From the keyboard of Bill Paul: > There is a saying that goes "that's like putting a jet engine on a > rowboat." What you are attempting to do is exactly the opposite of > that saying. Perhaps like trying to put oars on an aircraft carrier. This particulare alpha is more like an inflatable raft. Full kernel builds take about 45 min (with softupdates, although that does not really matter ;-(). A complete build takes about 13 to 14 hours. This alpha is sort of my little sandbox.... > > With the help of some printf statements I found that the problem must be in > > calling the 'CSR_WRITE_1(sc, RL_COMMAND, RL_CMD_RESET);' macro, which > > translates to a 'bus_space_write_1'. I know that there is a problem/feature > > on alphas keeping them from accessing memory at unaligned adresses, but I > > assumed that that whould be handled in writeb (called from bus_space_write). > > I don't think this is the real problem. The situation is complicated > somewhat by the fact that gdb on FreeBSD/Alpha isn't smart enough to > debug kernel crash dumps (at least, I don't think it is) otherwise you > would have a better way to track down the problem. The 3Com XL driver > uses byte-wite I/O accesses in a few places and has no problems, so > I'm doubtful that this is really what's tripping you up. I also took a look at that driver and tried to initiate a "monkey see monkey do" (where I am playing the role of monkey). In other words what some other driver can do must be possible to do in this one. I also tried the code with the bus_space... changed into a construct with a lot of ((*(volatile u_int8_t*)((sc)->csr + (u_int32_t)(reg))) stuff. This resulted in a non-panicing kernel, but it complained that the reset did not appear to work. So this also lead me to think that these bus_space... thingies do something special (like checking the exact machine type). I know that this alpha chipset needs a workaround to read/write unaligned bytes. But I thought that this was where the bus_space... stuff came in. > Ideally, there should be only two things that need to be fixed in order > to make this driver work with the Alpha: > > - rl_btag has to be set correctly, which you say you already did Did this to keep the compiler from screaming... > - Receive buffer handling has to be tweaked to force longword alignment > of packet payload data. > > The RealTek driver uses m_devget()/m_copyback() to read packet data > out of the receive buffer and into mbuf chains. The problem is that > m_devget() doesn't allow you to specifty an offset into the mbuf > data area, so all data starts at the very beginning of the mbuf, > which is longword aligned. The ethernet header is only 14 bytes long > though, so the actual packet data is only word aligned. The simplest > thing to do is to copy two extra bytes from the receive buffer starting > from the current buffer position minus 2. You can then use m_adj() > to shave off the 2 leading bytes after the copying is done and > end up with the proper alignment. Sounds like a hack, but I'll try to encorporate this into the driver over here. But I'd wish that the driver came this far... It doesn't even get thru its reset cycle. > I have some code to do this but I can't test it until Monday because > my sample RealTek card is at work, and me and my alpha are at home. > In the meantime, I would suggest trying to find another card. Hmmm, have to look at that, I could always swap this card with some other W95 machine that has a DE500 card. They probably won't see any difference... But on the other hand this might be the project for me to lose my fear to modify some kernel bits... > -Bill -- Rene de Vries http://www.tcja.nl/~rene; mailto:rene@tcja.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 17 10: 2: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gateway.absoluta.org (unknown [200.252.114.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 36BC5150CE for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gateway.virtualsecurity.com.br) Received: (qmail 1797 invoked by uid 1004); 17 Jun 1999 13:38:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Jun 1999 13:38:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:38:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Free Alpha List <freebsd@gateway.virtualsecurity.com.br> To: adriano@vh.com.br Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Bios Alpha to SRM, how? In-Reply-To: <375F464F.AB08F869@montereyhigh.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.01.9906171226480.1735-100000@gateway.virtualsecurity.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am trying to change the Firmware of my Alpha 164sx (533Mhz) now it`s running AlphaBios 5.62 What do I need to change to SRM Firmware? I don`t have Any CD to Upgrade Firmware. I tested one floppy with fwupdate.exe and sx164srm.rom that I got from ftp.decsy.ru/alpha/FirmWare/164SX/SRM-T4.9/ but after the Upgrade I only receive one blue screen. Thanks Adriano To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 17 10:31:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752D514EB0 for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA59938; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:31:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:31:07 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> To: Free Alpha List <freebsd@gateway.virtualsecurity.com.br> Cc: adriano@vh.com.br, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bios Alpha to SRM, how? In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.01.9906171226480.1735-100000@gateway.virtualsecurity.com.br> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906171827150.59161-100000@herring.nlsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Free Alpha List wrote: > I am trying to change the Firmware of my > Alpha 164sx (533Mhz) > now it`s running AlphaBios 5.62 > What do I need to change to SRM Firmware? > I don`t have Any CD to Upgrade Firmware. > > I tested one floppy with > fwupdate.exe and sx164srm.rom > that I got from > ftp.decsy.ru/alpha/FirmWare/164SX/SRM-T4.9/ > but after the Upgrade I only receive > one blue screen. I know that this is possible since Drew Gallatin and I just did this to a 164sx machine at Usenix. It was tricky and seemed to involve finding exactly the right version of fwupdate.exe (I don't remember which version that was but Drew might). If the machine is unbootable after trying to upgrade, you can probably revive it by using the 'boot console software from floppy' jumper. Check the manual for details. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 17 10:59:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zeus.virtualhouse.com.br (zeus.virtualhouse.com.br [200.230.51.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862CD14FC7 for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:59:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adriano@zeus.virtualhouse.com.br) Received: from localhost (adriano@localhost) by zeus.virtualhouse.com.br (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA07321; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:45:10 GMT (envelope-from adriano@zeus.virtualhouse.com.br) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:45:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Adriano Lacerda <adriano@virtualhouse.com.br> To: Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> Cc: Free Alpha List <freebsd@gateway.virtualsecurity.com.br>, adriano@vh.com.br, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bios Alpha to SRM, how? In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906171827150.59161-100000@herring.nlsystems.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990617142455.5662N-100000@zeus.virtualhouse.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I know that this is possible since Drew Gallatin and I just did this to a > 164sx machine at Usenix. It was tricky and seemed to involve finding > exactly the right version of fwupdate.exe (I don't remember which version > that was but Drew might). I only need the fwupdate.exe? or the sx164srm.rom two? and about use the MILO to boot and install the freebsd do you now anything? > > If the machine is unbootable after trying to upgrade, you can probably > the manual for details. I did that thanks for answer Adriano To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 17 11: 5:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB2A153EE for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:04:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA60029; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:04:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:04:59 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> To: Adriano Lacerda <adriano@virtualhouse.com.br> Cc: Free Alpha List <freebsd@gateway.virtualsecurity.com.br>, adriano@vh.com.br, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bios Alpha to SRM, how? In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990617142455.5662N-100000@zeus.virtualhouse.com.br> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906171903570.59161-100000@herring.nlsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Adriano Lacerda wrote: > > I know that this is possible since Drew Gallatin and I just did this to a > > 164sx machine at Usenix. It was tricky and seemed to involve finding > > exactly the right version of fwupdate.exe (I don't remember which version > > that was but Drew might). > > I only need the fwupdate.exe? > or the sx164srm.rom two? No, you need both but I think the sx164srm.rom file we had only worked with certain versions of fwupdate.exe. > > > > > If the machine is unbootable after trying to upgrade, you can probably > > the manual for details. > I did that > > thanks for answer You are welcome. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 17 11:32:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3054014DA6 for <freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:32:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28035; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA41556; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:30:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:30:45 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> Cc: Adriano Lacerda <adriano@virtualhouse.com.br>, Free Alpha List <freebsd@gateway.virtualsecurity.com.br>, adriano@vh.com.br, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bios Alpha to SRM, how? In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906171903570.59161-100000@herring.nlsystems.com> References: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990617142455.5662N-100000@zeus.virtualhouse.com.br> <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906171903570.59161-100000@herring.nlsystems.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14185.15795.522354.710014@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Adriano Lacerda wrote: > > > > I know that this is possible since Drew Gallatin and I just did this to a > > > 164sx machine at Usenix. It was tricky and seemed to involve finding > > > exactly the right version of fwupdate.exe (I don't remember which version > > > that was but Drew might). > > > > I only need the fwupdate.exe? > > or the sx164srm.rom two? > > No, you need both but I think the sx164srm.rom file we had only worked > with certain versions of fwupdate.exe. I've left the fwupdate.exe that I *think* we used last week at http://www.freebsd.org/~gallatin/fwupdate.exe. You should be able to squeeze this onto a floppy with the sx164srm.rom you already have. The versioning issues have to do with finding the most recent version of fwupdate.exe is which small enough to fit on a floppy together with sx164srm.rom. After you're running SRM, I whole-heartedly suggest updating the firmware to the latest version available from the normal Compaq ftp sites. See ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/readmes/alphapc164sx.html Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 17 15:16:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474AB14FE0 for <freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org>; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:16:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21343; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA89999; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: <XFMail.990617151605.jdp@polstra.com> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14171.60400.466517.68187Y@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra <jdp@polstra.com> To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa <simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/csu/alpha crtbegin.c Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > I noticed that some large dynamic linked program is slow on alpha. I've been thinking about this problem, and I believe I know how to fix it now. I should be able to do it within the next week or so. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 18 3:22:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.lyssand.com (post.lyssand.com [194.54.98.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86ABB14F19 for <freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Received: from erik (erik.lyssand.com [192.76.154.4]) by post.lyssand.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA84162; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:33:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from erik@habatech.no) Message-ID: <003601beb975$5f3c4490$049a4cc0@erik.lyssand.com> From: "Erik H. Bakke" <erik@habatech.no> To: "Doug Rabson" <dfr@nlsystems.com>, "Free Alpha List" <freebsd@gateway.virtualsecurity.com.br> Cc: <adriano@vh.com.br>, <freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: SV: Bios Alpha to SRM, how? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:28:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >I know that this is possible since Drew Gallatin and I just did this to = a >164sx machine at Usenix. It was tricky and seemed to involve finding >exactly the right version of fwupdate.exe (I don't remember which = version >that was but Drew might). > This URL explains how to upgrade the firmware of the Alpha systems. ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/index.html There are entries there for upgrading AlphaBIOS to SRM, even for the 164SX board. --- Erik H. Bakke Habatech AS erik@habatech.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 18 13:47:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from osbie.layer8.net (osbie.layer8.net [166.88.69.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8DA414DCC for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:47:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from black@osbie.layer8.net) Received: (qmail 63038 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Jun 1999 20:47:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:47:27 -0700 From: Ben Black <black@layer8.net> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Converting from ARC to SRM on PC164SX? Message-ID: <19990618134727.E60112@layer8.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone successfully converted from ARC to SRM on a PC164SX? My board seems most uncooperative. If I select SRM console from ARC advanced config, the system suddenly refuses to boot (no serial or video console), and then after numerous reboots it magically works again, but it is still ARC (and SRM is still selected in advanced config). I'd tried putting fwupdate.exe (v5.4) on a DOS floppy and told the ARC console to upgrade. It reads the floppy for a bit, then hangs hard. Any suggestions welcome. -- --b To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 18 23:17:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE7F15248 for <alpha@freebsd.org>; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:17:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1451779 for <alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:17:10 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: OK, any pointers on how to use SRM? :-) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:17:10 +0800 From: Peter Wemm <peter@netplex.com.au> Message-Id: <19990619061710.1451779@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now that I finally have a 164SX motherboard and am trying to get some bits together to make it run, I have a question.. (This is the motherboard that was running at Usenix BTW) How the hell do you use srm? :-) Are there any pointers would be appreciated, the firmware release notes give a few clues but are by no means comprehensive.. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 18 23:26:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAA015395 for <alpha@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA02707; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:50:54 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell <jb@cimlogic.com.au> Message-Id: <199906190650.QAA02707@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: OK, any pointers on how to use SRM? :-) In-Reply-To: <19990619061710.1451779@overcee.netplex.com.au> from Peter Wemm at "Jun 19, 1999 2:17:10 pm" To: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:50:54 +1000 (EST) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Wemm wrote: > Now that I finally have a 164SX motherboard and am trying to get some bits > together to make it run, I have a question.. (This is the motherboard > that was running at Usenix BTW) > > How the hell do you use srm? :-) Are there any pointers would be > appreciated, the firmware release notes give a few clues but are by no > means comprehensive.. Are you serious? 8-) Normally the SRM documentation is in the hardware reference manual for the board/system you are using. I guess you don't have that?! Have you tried typing "help"? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 18 23:28:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from burka.rdy.com (burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E30E14CA9 for <alpha@freebsd.org>; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: (from dima@localhost) by burka.rdy.com (8.9.3/RDY&DVV) id XAA14516; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906190628.XAA14516@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: OK, any pointers on how to use SRM? :-) In-Reply-To: <19990619061710.1451779@overcee.netplex.com.au> from Peter Wemm at "Jun 19, 1999 02:17:10 pm" To: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: alpha@freebsd.org X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ohh? "help" will do, or just check out documentation for it. Peter Wemm writes: > Now that I finally have a 164SX motherboard and am trying to get some bits > together to make it run, I have a question.. (This is the motherboard > that was running at Usenix BTW) > > How the hell do you use srm? :-) Are there any pointers would be > appreciated, the firmware release notes give a few clues but are by no > means comprehensive.. > > Cheers, > -Peter > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 6: 2:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from maile.telia.com (maile.telia.com [194.22.190.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27EB150E3 for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:02:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by maile.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09171 for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:02:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26787 for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:02:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:02:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham <khaled@mailbox.telia.net> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: problems with yesterdays world Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990619144550.25088A-100000@mailbox.telia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all! Problem: A kernel built without mcclock panics at bootup from yesterdays buildworld (for me atleast, jkh said he had no problem but as he also spoke about free weed in texas on #freebsd im not certain ;) I have now tried to build the kernel 4 times , 2 times with mcclock and what confuses me is that config clearly states that mcclock is an unknown device , still with mcclock the kernel dont panic at bootup. this is what is printed (handtyped) panic: cpu_initclocks: no clock attached panic Stopped at Debugger+0x2c ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc0000553cc0> <ra=0xfffffc000043cb20,sp=0xfffffc0000553cc0> db> trace Debugger() at Debugger+0x2c panic() panic+0xf4 cpu_initclocks() at cpu_initclocks+0x34 initclocks() at initclocks+0x2c mi_startup() at mi_startup+0x128 locorestart() at locorestart+0x68 If any more info is needed mail me .. I dont think i have serial cable at home, so i cant go into gdb afaik /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 6:15:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0163614E7A for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA81020; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:16:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:16:14 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> To: Khaled Daham <khaled@mailbox.telia.net> Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with yesterdays world In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990619144550.25088A-100000@mailbox.telia.net> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906191413560.80685-100000@herring.nlsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > Hello all! > > Problem: > A kernel built without mcclock panics at bootup from yesterdays buildworld > (for me atleast, jkh said he had no problem but as he also spoke about > free weed in texas on #freebsd im not certain ;) > I have now tried to build the kernel 4 times , 2 times with mcclock and > what confuses me is that config clearly states that mcclock is an unknown > device , still with mcclock the kernel dont panic at bootup. > > this is what is printed (handtyped) I've just committed a fix for this. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 6:48:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailb.telia.com (mailb.telia.com [194.22.194.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4755A14E42 for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:48:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by mailb.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16449; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:48:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00878; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:48:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:48:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham <khaled@mailbox.telia.net> To: Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with yesterdays world In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906191413560.80685-100000@herring.nlsystems.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990619154500.26888A-100000@mailbox.telia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just out of curiosity . How do you always manage to answer *my* mail in what seems like just a few seconds after ive sent them away ? :) oh what file/files am i looking for ? ive cvsupped 3 times today . On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > > > Hello all! > > > > Problem: > > A kernel built without mcclock panics at bootup from yesterdays buildworld > > (for me atleast, jkh said he had no problem but as he also spoke about > > free weed in texas on #freebsd im not certain ;) > > I have now tried to build the kernel 4 times , 2 times with mcclock and > > what confuses me is that config clearly states that mcclock is an unknown > > device , still with mcclock the kernel dont panic at bootup. > > > > this is what is printed (handtyped) > > I've just committed a fix for this. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 7:33:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F36614E18 for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:33:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA81152; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:16:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:16:16 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> To: Khaled Daham <khaled@mailbox.telia.net> Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with yesterdays world In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990619154500.26888A-100000@mailbox.telia.net> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906191514340.80685-100000@herring.nlsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > > Just out of curiosity . > How do you always manage to answer *my* mail in what seems like just a few > seconds after ive sent them away ? :) Just lucky I guess :-). We are in similar timezones which probably helps (I'm in London). > > oh what file/files am i looking for ? > ive cvsupped 3 times today . You need just src/sys/alpha/conf/files.alpha. I use the -i option to cvsup to restrict it to just the files I want. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 7:51:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFDF14BDD for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@mailbox.telia.net) Received: from mailbox.telia.net (khaled@mailbox.telia.net [194.237.170.234]) by mailc.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05828; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:51:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (khaled@localhost) by mailbox.telia.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06184; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:51:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:51:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham <khaled@mailbox.telia.net> To: Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with yesterdays world In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906191514340.80685-100000@herring.nlsystems.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990619164730.3894A-100000@mailbox.telia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > > > > > Just out of curiosity . > > How do you always manage to answer *my* mail in what seems like just a few > > seconds after ive sent them away ? :) > > Just lucky I guess :-). We are in similar timezones which probably helps > (I'm in London). Ah that might be it :) > > oh what file/files am i looking for ? > > ive cvsupped 3 times today . > > You need just src/sys/alpha/conf/files.alpha. I use the -i option to cvsup > to restrict it to just the files I want. Ok thanks. btw do you know when the pcm driver will work/be comitted ? /Khaled, Telia Network Services Mail: khaled@telia.net Cell: 070-6785492 Work: 08-4567281 :hacker: /n./ [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 7:56:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D9814BDD for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:56:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA81252; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:57:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:57:51 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> To: Khaled Daham <khaled@mailbox.telia.net> Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with yesterdays world In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990619164730.3894A-100000@mailbox.telia.net> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906191557280.80685-100000@herring.nlsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Khaled Daham wrote: > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity . > > > How do you always manage to answer *my* mail in what seems like just a few > > > seconds after ive sent them away ? :) > > > > Just lucky I guess :-). We are in similar timezones which probably helps > > (I'm in London). > > Ah that might be it :) > > > > oh what file/files am i looking for ? > > > ive cvsupped 3 times today . > > > > You need just src/sys/alpha/conf/files.alpha. I use the -i option to cvsup > > to restrict it to just the files I want. > > Ok thanks. btw do you know when the pcm driver will work/be comitted ? 'Soonish' is the closest I can come to a timescale... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 9:32:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D2A14C28 for <freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 09:32:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from mips.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id SAA25353 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:32:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de) Received: by mips.rhein-neckar.de id m10vLou-000WyXC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:10:08 +0200 (CEST) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: OK, any pointers on how to use SRM? :-) Date: 19 Jun 1999 16:10:06 +0200 Message-ID: <7kg8bu$dmn$1@mips.rhein-neckar.de> References: <19990619061710.1451779@overcee.netplex.com.au> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Wemm <peter@netplex.com.au> wrote: > How the hell do you use srm? :-) http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/srmcons.pdf -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de LinuxTag '99 - 26./27. Juni, Uni Kaiserslautern - http://www.linuxtag.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 10:58:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3193E14E25 for <alpha@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:58:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06349; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:58:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com> Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Peter Wemm <peter@netplex.com.au> Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OK, any pointers on how to use SRM? :-) In-Reply-To: <19990619061710.1451779@overcee.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906191051590.8151-100000@semuta.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ummm... John's comment was on point, but a simple list may be helpful show config - show h/w configuration show dev - show (bootable) devices boot <DEV> -fi <FILE> -fl <FLAGS> example: boot dka100 -fi /kernel -fl a (boot first SCSI hba, target ID 1, file /kernel, flags 'a' (autoboot)) init - (re)initialize show - show current environment flags set boot_osflags a - set default bootflags to go multiuse set auto_action halt - set default action to halt set bootdef_dev dka100 - set default boot device.... On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: > Now that I finally have a 164SX motherboard and am trying to get some bits > together to make it run, I have a question.. (This is the motherboard > that was running at Usenix BTW) > > How the hell do you use srm? :-) Are there any pointers would be > appreciated, the firmware release notes give a few clues but are by no > means comprehensive.. > > Cheers, > -Peter > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 20:35:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from callisto.fortean.com (callisto.fortean.com [209.42.229.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9AF14E3E for <alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:35:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by callisto.fortean.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA02024 for <alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:35:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) X-Authentication-Warning: callisto.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Walter <walter@fortean.com> Reply-To: Bruce Walter <walter@fortean.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone up for an exorcism? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990619232240.1996A-100000@callisto.fortean.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, all! I just picked up an AXPPCI33/Noname for myself so I can do a little porting. When it arrived, I found the previous owner had blown MILO into the SROM :( Since this thing has the smallest SROM ever, MILO has displaced all vestiges of Digital firmware including the debug monitor. (if there even was one, but the 'boot Service Console' jumper options don't work, at least) Does anyone have any ideas on how to get the good old SRM back in there? So far the following have failed: 1) Sliding the jumper over to failsafe mode and inserting an SRM complient boot block diskette with the firmware update utility. This actually loads, displays the BIOS emulation message, then sits at the blue SRM/ARC screen with no output. Happens with both the SRM and the ARC firmware update disks. My guess is that DEC uses the PALcode from the existing SROM and never dreamed of a third party invading that space. MILO's PALcode apparently can't support the DEC update utility. 2) Burning incense and praying to the BSD gods to remove this blight from my machine. At least the room smells nice now. I've been poking around in the MILO fmu code, trying to see if it could be modified to carry an SRM image instead of the milo image. Unfortunately, it's complex enough that if I took the time to do that, it'd be easier to just hack MILO to load FreeBSD. Along those lines, am I correct in my understanding that the only reason MILO cannot be hacked to load our kernel is that the PALcode it uses is so blasted old? Thanks, - Bruce ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel (ext 11) 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 20:44:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from callisto.fortean.com (callisto.fortean.com [209.42.229.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3095514CE5 for <alpha@freebsd.org>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:44:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by callisto.fortean.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA02065; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:44:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) X-Authentication-Warning: callisto.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:44:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Walter <walter@fortean.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone up for an exorcism? In-Reply-To: <69522.929850031@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990619233926.2055A-100000@callisto.fortean.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > 1) Sliding the jumper over to failsafe mode and inserting an SRM complient > > boot block diskette with the firmware update utility. This actually > > loads, displays the BIOS emulation message, then sits at the blue > > SRM/ARC screen with no output. Happens with both the SRM and the ARC > > You sure it's not just waiting for your interaction on the serial port? :-) That was my first thought... I went through every serial cable here, and connected it to terminal software on several different machines. Null-modem cables, full-handshake, yadda yadda yadda. Nothing was coming out of those ports. I did find a webpage which states the pinout diagram on the Design Guide was wrong, so I even made a cable assuming the pinouts were right. (Heavy Sigh) Other than that, the board has run (blech) linux flawlessly. - Bruce ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel (ext 11) 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 21: 7:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7A414F22 for <alpha@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:07:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA05179; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:32:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell <jb@cimlogic.com.au> Message-Id: <199906200432.OAA05179@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Anyone up for an exorcism? In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990619233926.2055A-100000@callisto.fortean.com> from Bruce Walter at "Jun 19, 1999 11:44:12 pm" To: walter@fortean.com (Bruce Walter) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:32:15 +1000 (EST) Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bruce Walter wrote: > > > 1) Sliding the jumper over to failsafe mode and inserting an SRM complient > > > boot block diskette with the firmware update utility. This actually > > > loads, displays the BIOS emulation message, then sits at the blue > > > SRM/ARC screen with no output. Happens with both the SRM and the ARC > > > > You sure it's not just waiting for your interaction on the serial port? :-) > > That was my first thought... I went through every serial cable here, and > connected it to terminal software on several different machines. > Null-modem cables, full-handshake, yadda yadda yadda. Nothing was coming > out of those ports. I did find a webpage which states the pinout diagram > on the Design Guide was wrong, so I even made a cable assuming the pinouts > were right. > > (Heavy Sigh) > > Other than that, the board has run (blech) linux flawlessly. If you have a video card installed, pull it out (just in case). Unplug the keyboard before powering up. Use a standard (i.e. PC serial wobbly-dangly-bit) serial connector. Set the failsafe mode jumper and try the SRM boot disk again. It should work. I remember that I had a few problems when I first did this. I complained to DEC and they sent a replacement board. It turned out to be pilot error on my part (due to where the boot output was going, and me not waiting long enough, or something like that). I only ever saw ARC or SRM loaded, so, as always, YMMV. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 22:43:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from callisto.fortean.com (callisto.fortean.com [209.42.229.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A42C14FE3 for <alpha@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 22:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by callisto.fortean.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA02337; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 01:42:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) X-Authentication-Warning: callisto.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 01:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Walter <walter@fortean.com> Reply-To: Bruce Walter <walter@fortean.com> To: John Birrell <jb@cimlogic.com.au> Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone up for an exorcism? In-Reply-To: <199906200432.OAA05179@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990620013631.2323A-100000@callisto.fortean.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If you have a video card installed, pull it out (just in case). > Unplug the keyboard before powering up. Use a standard (i.e. PC serial > wobbly-dangly-bit) serial connector. Set the failsafe mode jumper and > try the SRM boot disk again. It should work. Hmmm. I had switched to an ISA video card for the flash as one website recommeded, but never tried with no card installed. Looks like I also mis-read the Design Guide... I thought it said a graphics adapter was required, but that is only true for the NT installation. > I only ever saw ARC or SRM loaded, so, as always, YMMV. I'll give it another whack. (And then maybe a few more if it doesn't go) I still am interested as to exactly why we can't use something like MILO... PALcode or do we just need someone to bang on it for a while? Thanks! - Bruce ______________________ Bruce M. Walter, Principal NIXdesign Group Inc. 426 S. Dawson Street Raleigh NC 27601 USA 919.829.4901 Tel (ext 11) 919.829.4993 Fax http://www.nixdesign.com Visual communications | concept + code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 19 23:31:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3320B14CB6 for <alpha@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA05392; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:56:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell <jb@cimlogic.com.au> Message-Id: <199906200656.QAA05392@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Anyone up for an exorcism? In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990620013631.2323A-100000@callisto.fortean.com> from Bruce Walter at "Jun 20, 1999 1:42:40 am" To: walter@fortean.com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:56:32 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bruce Walter wrote: > I still am interested as to exactly why we can't use something like > MILO... PALcode or do we just need someone to bang on it for a while? Obtaining up-to-date-for-each-system sources for the palcode is problematic. It would be nice if Compaq would just release the sources and let us maintain them after they make boards/systems obsolete. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message