From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 1 01:23:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22593 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:23:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA22587 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:23:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA16870; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:52:19 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id TAA42781; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:52:20 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19990101195219.S41841@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:52:19 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Gregory Sutter , Peter Wemm Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Y2K (was: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required.) References: <19990101164920.O41841@freebie.lemis.com> <199901010755.PAA95330@spinner.netplex.com.au> <19990101011458.D21516@orcrist.mediacity.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19990101011458.D21516@orcrist.mediacity.com>; from Gregory Sutter on Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 01:14:58AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Following up to -chat] On Friday, 1 January 1999 at 1:14:58 -0800, Gregory Sutter wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 03:55:07PM +0800, Peter Wemm wrote: >> Greg Lehey wrote: >>> On Friday, 1 January 1999 at 16:14:04 +1030, Kris Kennaway wrote: >>>> On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: >>>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:51:53 +875500 >>>>> >>>>> This is the second message today I got with a completely crazy time >>>>> zone offset (which put you back two days in my inbox listing). Does >>>>> anybody have any idea why? >>>> >>>> Y2K? :-) >>> >>> Y1.999K. Turns out it was a bug in mutt. >> >> Ewww... It's started already... :-O >> >> I think I'll try to arrange to be at least 100 kilometers from the nearest >> computer in about 12 months time... > > Maybe I'll switch to a different mailer, as I sit in my cabin in the > mountains and gweep using ricochet and solar power. If a wrong time zone is your biggest concern, you'll be laughing. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 1 15:33:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08083 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:33:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08078 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:33:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from mips.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id AAA25981 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:33:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de) Received: by mips.rhein-neckar.de id m0zwAuq-000WyOC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:11:24 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:11:24 +0100 (CET) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In freebsd-current, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > 3) Realize that exim isn't bundled with any system It looks like exim will become the standard mailer of Debian GNU/Linux, replacing smail. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de carpe librum: books 'n' reviews To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 1 16:46:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16006 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:46:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orcrist.mediacity.com (orcrist.mediacity.com [208.138.36.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16001 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@orcrist.mediacity.com) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by orcrist.mediacity.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28178; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:43:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:43:41 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: Greg Lehey Cc: Peter Wemm , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Y2K (was: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required.) Message-ID: <19990101164341.F21516@orcrist.mediacity.com> References: <19990101164920.O41841@freebie.lemis.com> <199901010755.PAA95330@spinner.netplex.com.au> <19990101011458.D21516@orcrist.mediacity.com> <19990101195219.S41841@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990101195219.S41841@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 07:52:19PM +1030 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 07:52:19PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Friday, 1 January 1999 at 1:14:58 -0800, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 03:55:07PM +0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > >> > >> I think I'll try to arrange to be at least 100 kilometers from the nearest > >> computer in about 12 months time... > > > > Maybe I'll switch to a different mailer, as I sit in my cabin in the > > mountains and gweep using ricochet and solar power. > > If a wrong time zone is your biggest concern, you'll be laughing. Well, that and the collapse of "modern" civilization. But I'll still be laughing. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter "Software is like sex; it's better mailto:gsutter@pobox.com when it's free." -- Linus Torvalds http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 1 17:41:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20990 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:41:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20985 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-126.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.126]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA03351 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:41:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA39422 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:41:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199901020141.TAA39422@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I witnessed the 1 second adjustment From: David Kelly Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:41:06 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org xntpd is good for something amusing: Dec 31 18:22:53 Grumpy xntpd[86]: time reset (step) -1.027328 s Dec 31 18:30:44 PeeCee xntpd[89]: time reset (step) -1.027142 s This machine is on dialup so it wasn't until after dialin that it could adjust: Jan 1 15:13:41 nospam xntpd[18887]: time reset (step) -1.096864 s -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 1 21:13:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10158 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:13:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10153 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:13:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id WAA45261; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:13:22 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199901020513.WAA45261@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: I witnessed the 1 second adjustment In-Reply-To: <199901020141.TAA39422@nospam.hiwaay.net> from David Kelly at "Jan 1, 99 07:41:06 pm" To: dkelly@HiWAAY.net (David Kelly) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:13:22 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Kelly wrote... > > xntpd is good for something amusing: > > Dec 31 18:22:53 Grumpy xntpd[86]: time reset (step) -1.027328 s > Dec 31 18:30:44 PeeCee xntpd[89]: time reset (step) -1.027142 s > > This machine is on dialup so it wasn't until after dialin that it > could adjust: > > Jan 1 15:13:41 nospam xntpd[18887]: time reset (step) -1.096864 s Interesting. I got: Dec 31 17:00:01 panzer xntpd[103]: leap second occured, stepped time back 1 second I got that on a number of machines (all at the exact same time). Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 2 05:34:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18624 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:34:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18615; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwRBv-000599-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:34:09 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA01511; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:33:38 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (rasnt-1) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07010; Sat, 2 Jan 99 13:33:35 GMT Message-Id: <368E1EFB.918A2BF7@uk.radan.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 13:28:27 +0000 From: Mark Ovens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB Mime-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-uk-users Subject: Accessing NTFS partitions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Although this is not a question, I've CC:'d this to -questions because of it's technical nature and because there are a lot of questions asked here about running FreeBSD and Win* on the same box so people may find it useful. Hidden away on freebsd.org there is a link to a Russian University website (http://iclub.nsu.ru/~semen/ntfs/ntfs.html) which has an NTFS driver for FreeBSD. The latest version (ntfs-releng22-0.9beta.tgz) works for 2.2.x and 3.x. I thought I'd let you know that I've d/l'd and installed this and it works superbly, I can now see my NTFS drive :-), which is useful as I have a habit of d/l stuff or saving Web pages relating to FreeBSD when I'm in NT and forgetting to save them to a FAT partition, so when I boot FreeBSD I can't find them. There are a few points to note about using this driver: You cannot build everything with a single ``make''. There is very minimal documentation with the code, just a README. The code needs to be copied manually to the /usr/src/sys tree There are files for patching malloc.h, mount.h, & vnode.h. This means that you will need to re-build your kernel (no mods are required to the config file). In order to make mount_ntfs the file mntopts.h is required. If you haven't installed all the sources it can be found in the /src/ssbin.* archive an the first CD-ROM. ``make install'' for the lkm and the mount_ntfs binary didn't work properly as it used the ``-c'' option which isn't valid (in the 2.2.8 install anyway, maybe valid with 3.0?) and also doesn't give a dest dir. You'll need to do it manually. You may need to make the device nodes for your NTFS partition. Remember that if it is in a logical drive in an extended partition that the slices for the extended partition start at 5, i.e. [sw]d0s5. The driver, whilst working fine, is somewhat inconsistent in it's use of long and short (8.3) filenames, e.g. ls on my system lists both ``PROGRA~1'' and ``Program Files'' in the (NTFS) root dir. I can ``cd'' to either and the ``pwd'' returns ``/ntfs/Program Files'' in both cases. As best I can work out this appears to only happen when the long name starts with an upper-case letter. At the moment the driver is read-only :-(, but the author, Ustimenko Semen, is planning to develop it to be read/write :-). Don't forget to mount it read-only (use the ``ro'' option in /etc/fstab). If you think you need NTFS access I hope the above is of use to you. I will try and put together a step-by-step FAQ/HowTo over the next few days. Enjoy. -- Trust the computer industry to shorten Year 2000 to Y2K. It was this thinking that caused the problem in the first place. Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 2 06:13:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20940 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:13:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20917; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:13:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.56.193]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5FDF; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:12:52 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <368E1EFB.918A2BF7@uk.radan.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:19:57 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Mark Ovens Subject: RE: Accessing NTFS partitions Cc: freebsd-uk-users , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 02-Jan-99 Mark Ovens wrote: > Although this is not a question, I've CC:'d this to -questions because > of it's technical nature and because there are a lot of questions asked > here about running FreeBSD and Win* on the same box so people may find > it useful. True... Especially with regard to file-sharing. > Hidden away on freebsd.org there is a link to a Russian University > website (http://iclub.nsu.ru/~semen/ntfs/ntfs.html) which has an NTFS > driver for FreeBSD. The latest version (ntfs-releng22-0.9beta.tgz) > works for 2.2.x and 3.x. Heh, hidden away? He has posted to the list a few times =) > There are a few points to note about using this driver: > > You cannot build everything with a single ``make''. True, but that has its reasons. > At the moment the driver is read-only :-(, but the author, Ustimenko > Semen, is planning to develop it to be read/write :-). Don't forget to > mount it read-only (use the ``ro'' option in /etc/fstab). Yeah, but both he and I never found any documentation regarding writing to NTFS drives since MS is reluctant to hand out specs. > If you think you need NTFS access I hope the above is of use to you. I > will try and put together a step-by-step FAQ/HowTo over the next few > days. The driver is however set up in a way that allows easy integration into the sourcetree... And from what I used of it, it was rock stable... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Life is the only Pain asmodai(at)wxs.nl we endeavour... Network/Security Specialist BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 2 06:41:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22867 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:41:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22862 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:41:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id BAA11996; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:41:15 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990103014110.34980@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:41:11 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Mark Ovens , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Accessing NTFS partitions References: <368E1EFB.918A2BF7@uk.radan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 03:19:57PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 03:19:57PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > On 02-Jan-99 Mark Ovens wrote: > > > Although this is not a question, I've CC:'d this to -questions because > > of it's technical nature and because there are a lot of questions asked > > here about running FreeBSD and Win* on the same box so people may find > > it useful. > > True... Especially with regard to file-sharing. > > > Hidden away on freebsd.org there is a link to a Russian University > > website (http://iclub.nsu.ru/~semen/ntfs/ntfs.html) which has an NTFS > > driver for FreeBSD. The latest version (ntfs-releng22-0.9beta.tgz) > > works for 2.2.x and 3.x. > > Heh, hidden away? He has posted to the list a few times =) I've never heard of it before. Must be the company I keep :-) > > There are a few points to note about using this driver: > > > > You cannot build everything with a single ``make''. > > True, but that has its reasons. > > > At the moment the driver is read-only :-(, but the author, Ustimenko > > Semen, is planning to develop it to be read/write :-). Don't forget to > > mount it read-only (use the ``ro'' option in /etc/fstab). > > Yeah, but both he and I never found any documentation regarding > writing to NTFS drives since MS is reluctant to hand out specs. Unfortunate, but hugely better than nothing. Besides, we want people to get their data off NT, not put more on :-) > > If you think you need NTFS access I hope the above is of use to you. I > > will try and put together a step-by-step FAQ/HowTo over the next few > > days. > > The driver is however set up in a way that allows easy integration into the > sourcetree... And from what I used of it, it was rock stable... So what's stopping it from being pulled in to save all this hassle? It'd be another incentive for people who are considering moving from NT to some kind of unix to try FreeBSD. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 2 08:54:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02290 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:54:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02282 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:54:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-49.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.49]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA08233; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:53:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04465; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:53:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199901021653.KAA04465@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: I witnessed the 1 second adjustment In-reply-to: Message from "Kenneth D. Merry" of "Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:13:22 MST." <199901020513.WAA45261@panzer.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 10:53:53 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Kenneth D. Merry" writes: > David Kelly wrote... > > > > xntpd is good for something amusing: > > > > Dec 31 18:22:53 Grumpy xntpd[86]: time reset (step) -1.027328 s > > Dec 31 18:30:44 PeeCee xntpd[89]: time reset (step) -1.027142 s > > > > This machine is on dialup so it wasn't until after dialin that it > > could adjust: > > > > Jan 1 15:13:41 nospam xntpd[18887]: time reset (step) -1.096864 s > > Interesting. I got: > > Dec 31 17:00:01 panzer xntpd[103]: leap second occured, stepped time back 1 second > > I got that on a number of machines (all at the exact same time). Ah heck, Grumpy and PeeCee are synced off an Irix machine which is running whatever xntpd was shipped on the SGI Freeware 2.0 CDROM. Its not logging so I don't have record of what it saw. Guess I should get a modern copy of xntpd on that machine so I'll be ready for the next leap second. :-) If I was thinking, should have left this system dialed in to see what happened. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 2 10:55:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14152 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:55:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (ip55241.transbay.net [209.133.55.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14146 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:55:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07446 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:54:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199901021854.KAA07446@superior.mooseriver.com> Subject: Retail outlets for FreeBSD To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:54:31 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Retail outlets for FreeBSD A common question for new users of FreeBSD is, "Where can I get a copy of FreeBSD"? Aside from Walnut Creek CDROM (http://www.cdrom.com) there are a number of retail outlets world wide. A partial list can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Retail.html Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of you friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. This notice is posted twice a month, on the 1st and the 15th. -- $Id: RetailAnnounce.txt,v 1.4 1998/12/27 18:20:48 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 2 10:58:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14746 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (ip55241.transbay.net [209.133.55.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14737 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:58:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07470 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:58:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199901021858.KAA07470@superior.mooseriver.com> Subject: FreeBSD Counter Page To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:58:22 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Counter Project The FreeBSD Counter project and BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) have put up the first public beta of its counter page. The Counter project is an attempt to gauge the installed base of FreeBSD. We current do not have a very good idea as to what is our installed base, how FreeBSD is being used and by whom. Because of this, FreeBSD is at a disadvantage when talking to ISVs and hardware and software vendors. You are invited to register with the counter project. The counter page can be found at : http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html Couple of caveats: * This is a beta release. It is not perfect and will have a few bugs and flaws. If you find any please let us know. * Suggestions and comments are welcome! * The database behind this page was built from the email registrations sent to Walnut Creek. If you registered at the time of an install chances are you are in this database. * Your information is held to be confidential. Only those on the project, FreeBSD core group, and Walnut Creek CDROM will ever see this information. It will _NOT_ be handed over to spammers, direct marketers, and any of the other assorted bozos. Josef (jgrosch@MooseRiver.com) -- $Id: CounterPageAnnounce.txt,v 1.6 1998/12/27 18:19:37 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 2 12:18:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25007 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:18:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24984; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:18:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwXUW-0003Nv-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:17:44 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA01709; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:17:12 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (rasnt-1) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07713; Sat, 2 Jan 99 20:17:09 GMT Message-Id: <368E7EE3.96B2290F@uk.radan.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:17:39 +0000 From: Mark Ovens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: freebsd-uk-users , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Accessing NTFS partitions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > On 02-Jan-99 Mark Ovens wrote: > > > Hidden away on freebsd.org there is a link to a Russian University > > website (http://iclub.nsu.ru/~semen/ntfs/ntfs.html) which has an NTFS > > driver for FreeBSD. The latest version (ntfs-releng22-0.9beta.tgz) > > works for 2.2.x and 3.x. > > Heh, hidden away? He has posted to the list a few times =) > Ah, but which list(s)?. I only subscribe to -chat & -qusetions > The driver is however set up in a way that allows easy integration into the > sourcetree... And from what I used of it, it was rock stable... > Yeah, I noticed that all the CVS stuff is there, but I've never used it. No doubt those who have will know what to do with it :-) > --- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Life is the only Pain > asmodai(at)wxs.nl we endeavour... > Network/Security Specialist > BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Trust the computer industry to shorten Year 2000 to Y2K. It was this thinking that caused the problem in the first place. Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 2 12:24:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25508 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25502 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:24:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwXaP-0007Kj-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:23:49 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from beavis.uk.radan.com (beavis [193.114.228.122]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA01735; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:23:16 GMT Received: from uk.radan.com (rasnt-1) by beavis.uk.radan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07759; Sat, 2 Jan 99 20:23:13 GMT Message-Id: <368E804E.3B8FA4D9@uk.radan.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:23:42 +0000 From: Mark Ovens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Accessing NTFS partitions References: <368E1EFB.918A2BF7@uk.radan.com> <19990103014110.34980@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 03:19:57PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > On 02-Jan-99 Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > Yeah, but both he and I never found any documentation regarding > > writing to NTFS drives since MS is reluctant to hand out specs. > I'm sure I've seen a book (by Microsoft Press IIRC) that is all about the NT filesystem. I'll see if I can track it down. > Unfortunate, but hugely better than nothing. Besides, we want people to > get their data off NT, not put more on :-) > Good point :-) > > > If you think you need NTFS access I hope the above is of use to you. I > > > will try and put together a step-by-step FAQ/HowTo over the next few > > > days. > > > > The driver is however set up in a way that allows easy integration into the > > sourcetree... And from what I used of it, it was rock stable... > > So what's stopping it from being pulled in to save all this hassle? > It'd be another incentive for people who are considering moving from NT > to some kind of unix to try FreeBSD. > Another good point. I think there is a lot of active development going on though as the versions have moved form 0.6 to 0.9 in pretty rapid succession ( the only reason that it's taken me this long to get round to trying it is that all previous versions I d/l'd gunzip complained were corrupt). > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- Trust the computer industry to shorten Year 2000 to Y2K. It was this thinking that caused the problem in the first place. Mark Ovens, CNC Applications Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd Sheet Metal CAD/CAM Solutions mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message