From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 21 10:34:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.atl.bellsouth.net (mail0.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0B114C3B for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:34:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-72-141.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.72.141]) by mail0.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16563; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA64004; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:24:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) To: brett@lariat.org Cc: wghicks@bellsouth.net, grog@lemis.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Use of FreeBSD-STABLE (was: Oddity in name resolution) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:54:00 -0700" <4.1.19990321105156.03f213d0@localhost> References: <4.1.19990321105156.03f213d0@localhost> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990321132457X.wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:24:57 -0500 From: W Gerald Hicks X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 40 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [to -chat] From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Use of FreeBSD-STABLE (was: Oddity in name resolution) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:54:00 -0700 > At 10:02 PM 3/20/99 -0500, W Gerald Hicks wrote: > > >Watching releng3.freebsd.org to see when snapshots are available > >seems to be a good indicator as well. > > Well, if the "snapshots" are made of particularly good -STABLE builds > with which users have had good success, they might be worth looking at. > The thing is, we can't play "-STABLE roulette." Anything we install > must have been broken in and well tested as an entire build. That's > just a basic requirement for any software we put on a production machine. > From my experience -STABLE has always been the "best" thing for _our_ production uses. These are mostly development systems, hosts for in-circuit emulation, and a few CVS repository servers. Our developers are at *least* as fussy about downtime as a typical ISP customer. I suppose an ISP's shell host, mail or news servers would have different concerns but the people I know who administer those usually end up with heavily customized and finely tuned systems anyway. Updating them is often a real PITA. By working from a locally modified FreeBSD repository (another thread) even this can be made more manageable. I'd suggest that FreeBSD is a better choice for those types of systems *because* of the availability of the project metadata. Don't like -STABLE? Fine. Pick your own mix of proven kernel/userland components. It's pretty easy to do with a local repository and PicoBSD offers an excellent example for specialized applications. Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message