From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 15 1: 2:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bafug.bsdbox.com (bafug.bsdbox.com [208.138.46.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AD614BF2 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:02:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@bafug.bsdbox.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by bafug.bsdbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09648 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199908150800.BAA09648@bafug.bsdbox.com> Subject: Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:00:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org San Francisco Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) has put up a web page of employers in the San Francisco Bay Area who are looking for employees, permanent or contact, who have FreeBSD skills. The URL is : http://www.bafug.org/BayAreaJobs.html Employers: The emphasis here is FreeBSD. The job you are advertising should have FreeBSD as a major component of the job. If you wish to advertise a job please send the URL to your web page with the job listings to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com. Employees: When contacting these employers please tell them that you saw this job listing on the Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs page. Josef -- $Id: BayAreaFreeBSDJobs.txt,v 1.1 1999/03/19 09:51:06 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 15 1: 2:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bafug.bsdbox.com (bafug.bsdbox.com [208.138.46.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F6614E19 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:02:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@bafug.bsdbox.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by bafug.bsdbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09667 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:00:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199908150800.BAA09667@bafug.bsdbox.com> Subject: FreeBSD Counter Page To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:00:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Counter Project The FreeBSD Counter project and BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) have put up the first public beta of its counter page. The Counter project is an attempt to gauge the installed base of FreeBSD. We current do not have a very good idea as to what is our installed base, how FreeBSD is being used and by whom. Because of this, FreeBSD is at a disadvantage when talking to ISVs and hardware and software vendors. You are invited to register with the counter project. The counter page can be found at : http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html Couple of caveats: * Your information is held to be confidential. Only those on the project, FreeBSD core group, and Walnut Creek CDROM will ever see this information. It will _NOT_ be handed over to spammers, direct marketers, and any of the other assorted bozos. * Suggestions and comments are welcome! * The database behind this page was built from the email registrations sent to Walnut Creek. If you registered at the time of an install chances are you are in this database. This is posted every 1st and 15th of the month. Josef (jgrosch@MooseRiver.com) -- $Id: CounterPageAnnounce.txt,v 1.1 1999/03/19 09:51:06 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 15 1: 2:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bafug.bsdbox.com (bafug.bsdbox.com [208.138.46.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F8514E4A for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:02:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@bafug.bsdbox.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by bafug.bsdbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09685 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:00:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199908150800.BAA09685@bafug.bsdbox.com> Subject: Bay Area Install-A-Thon To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:00:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Install-A-Thon BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) will hold it's monthly Install-A-Thon in conjunction with the Robert Austin computer show on July 24th at the Oakland Convention Center. The purpose of these Install-A-Thons is for new and experienced user to meet and solve problem they are having with FreeBSD. It is also a time to promote FreeBSD to potential users. The Oakland Convention Center is in downtown Oakland on the corner of 10th street and Clay Street. There is some on street parking but your best bet is lot parking. Admission to the show is $5.00 unless you have a VIP pass. VIP passes can be gotten at Robert Austin's web page (http://www.robertaustin.com). The show hours are 10:00am to 4:00pm. We will be meeting at the Oakland convention center at 9:00am to setup and will be there till 4 when the show closes. Tear down usually takes about 30 minutes. If you are interested in helping please contact Josef Grosch - jgrosch@MooseRiver.com Nicole Harrington - nicole@mediacity.com More information about the show can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Install.html This notice is posted twice a month, on the 1st and the 15th of the month. -- $Id: InstallAnnounce.txt,v 1.5 1999/07/06 04:02:24 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 15 1: 3: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bafug.bsdbox.com (bafug.bsdbox.com [208.138.46.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFE815304 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@bafug.bsdbox.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by bafug.bsdbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09702 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199908150800.BAA09702@bafug.bsdbox.com> Subject: FreeBSD Retail Page To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:00:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Retail outlets for FreeBSD A common question for new users of FreeBSD is, "Where can I get a copy of FreeBSD"? Aside from Walnut Creek CDROM (http://www.cdrom.com) there are a number of retail outlets world wide. A partial list can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Retail.html Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of you friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. This notice is posted twice a month, on the 1st and the 15th. -- $Id: RetailAnnounce.txt,v 1.1 1999/03/19 09:51:06 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 15 3:32: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABFB15338 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 03:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atrn@zeta.org.au) Received: from ska.bsn (d198.syd2.zeta.org.au [203.26.9.70]) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA11696 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:30:22 +1000 Received: (from andy@localhost) by ska.bsn (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA24704 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:27:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andy) Message-Id: <199908140827.SAA24704@ska.bsn> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:27:44 +1000 (EST) From: atrn@zeta.org.au Subject: Re: (2) hey To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199908131839.LAA21529@usr09.primenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > the sole dissentor is Matsataka Ohta, which is expected, since (... actual technical stuff deleted ...) And probably since he's Matsataka Ohta. Anyone remember comp.arch about seven or eight years ago? -- Andy Newman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 15 9:23:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.atl.bellsouth.net (mail3.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C5215137 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-216-78-47-14.ath.bellsouth.net [216.78.47.14]) by mail3.atl.bellsouth.net (3.3.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11988; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA17288; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:25:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from root@wghicks.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199908151625.MAA17288@bellsouth.net> To: Narvi Cc: jack velte , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, root@wghicks.bellsouth.net Subject: Re: redhat In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:30:36 +0300." Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:25:13 -0400 From: Charlie Root Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In a year... No need to wait. RedHat already has pointy-haired Melissa London. ;) Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 15 9:59:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from travelers.mail.cornell.edu (TRAVELERS.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.56.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E6515236; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:59:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) Received: from travelers.mail.cornell.edu (travelers.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.13]) by travelers.mail.cornell.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29870; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:59:53 -0400 (EDT) From: cjc26@cornell.edu Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:59:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: cjc26@travelers.mail.cornell.edu To: Gregory Sutter Cc: Bill Swingle , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pics from LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <19990814212948.C14385@forty-two.egroups.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 14 Aug 1999, Gregory Sutter wrote: > I take it that that's Jordan's humaniform robot in the pictures. What > kind of processor does it have? Are there any noticeable pauses in the > speech when odd questions are asked? How does jkh.pl deal with having > multiple versions around? I'm sure CVS won't cut it. Maybe the android has a small radio antenna built into it, and it communicates with the machine the perlbot is running on over packet radio or something. I'll bet it's slow to do everything over the network, though, so the robot probably handles low-level routines (coordinating leg movements for walking, simulating breathing, etc) locally using some built-in processors, and only communicates with its server for simulation of higher cognitive functions. -- cliff crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ main(q){6-q&&main(q+1),putchar(67+3*(19%q-q/4));} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 15 23: 4: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46CB1536B for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:04:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id PAA19556; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:04:16 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37B7A9AC.50C9AC19@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:03:24 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Andy V. Oleynik" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable References: <24441.934476606@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > There are no secrets here - people are simply making more of some > simple configuration tweaks than is warranted. ftp.cdrom.com is not > running a special version of FreeBSD, nor was it constructed with > information gleaned from the aliens who crash-landed in Area 51, nor > has Elvis been involved in the administration of the system. Get a life, > you guys! So... there is no freebsd-a51 mailing list? Oh, damn it... and me thinking it was just a matter of committer seniority before getting subscribed to it! -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "You intend to eat me, then?" he asked the dragon. "Well, I must admit, more for the amusement than the taste." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 16 4:13:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5A514D32 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 04:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id UAA00181; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:09:44 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37B7F14A.A175D676@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:08:58 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Paul Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How do you allocate dma channel with newbus? References: <199908160835.EAA20312@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Paul wrote: > ... > The logical conclusion is that Larry really does have a question, but > he asked it badly. Since he asked it so badly that we really don't know > what he meant, we should attempt to throw information at him in the hopes > that we'll end up telling him what he wants. This is not as efficient > as asking the question correctly the first time, but communication seems > to be a lost art these days, so what can you do. Man, I want a Bill Paul bumper sticker! Or a button, maybe... :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "You intend to eat me, then?" he asked the dragon. "Well, I must admit, more for the amusement than the taste." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 16 8:39: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339B914FE9 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:38:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53C8F41FD; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 256B59BDB; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: David Kelly Cc: Andrew Perry , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Speaking about serial numbers... (was Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable ) In-Reply-To: <199908150319.WAA67789@nospam.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 14 Aug 1999, David Kelly wrote: :The Pacific Coast was the first and last motorcycle Honda allowed their :American automotive division to design. The motorcycle division handles :the Gold Wing. From the rear the PC looks like a big scooter. That's :what probably killed it in the market. It replaced the ST1100, which was a much nicer looking bike, IMHO. :sister model the Shadow continued for many years. The VT500 Shadow used :the same engine only in natural aluminum rather than painted black. The :Shadow had high handle bars and low seat. The Ascot is what we now call :a "standard" bike, and the Shadow is "custom." The Shadow is a nice bike. I had an 86 VT500C for a couple of years. It was also available in 750cc and (I think) 1100cc models. The engine was trimmed in black, but mostly unpainted. A friend of mine has an 85 Magna 500, which uses the 500cc V4 interceptor engine. That is a smokin' little bike. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 16 10:20:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A184B1551B for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lurkie@wxs.nl) Received: from gs0067-1.dial.wxs.nl ([195.121.144.67]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5575 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:19:55 +0200 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:20:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Marc Veldman To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe lurkie@wxs.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 17 7:15: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B93215692 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:15:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from megringo@home.com) Received: from badass ([24.4.13.144]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990817141302.CVUP29356.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@badass> for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:13:02 -0700 Message-ID: <005601bee8bd$98d34c40$900d0418@ftwrth1.tx.home.com> From: "Scott" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:34:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 17 13:34:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E5414CE4 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:34:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D98B43C64; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:35:11 -0700 From: dannyman To: Joe Grosch Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bay Area Install-A-Thon Message-ID: <19990817133511.K353@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <199908150800.BAA09685@bafug.bsdbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199908150800.BAA09685@bafug.bsdbox.com>; from Joe Grosch on Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 01:00:11AM -0700 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 01:00:11AM -0700, Joe Grosch wrote: ^^^^^^ > BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) will hold it's monthly Install-A-Thon > in conjunction with the Robert Austin computer show on July 24th at the [...] ^^^^^^^^^ Hrmmm.... -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 17 14:46: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 028A014CC8; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96F21CD89E; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:46:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Nik Clayton Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVS oddities In-Reply-To: <19990817223936.A88836@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > Perhaps it was the eclipse? Maybe our calendar system was backdated incorrectly and it's already Y2K, and the world has started to end. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 17 16:20:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from Mail.austin.rr.com (sm2.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1A91584F for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aweber@austin.rr.com) Received: from austin.rr.com ([24.93.43.99]) by Mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:14:20 -0500 Message-ID: <37B9EE7E.666ED359@austin.rr.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:21:35 -0500 From: Alan Weber Reply-To: aweber@austin.rr.com Organization: Angora Greeting Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD wins in Linux Death Match Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A34C26BCEB3328EB6A1507BE" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A34C26BCEB3328EB6A1507BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.computerworld.com/home/news.nsf/all/9908102chaos --------------A34C26BCEB3328EB6A1507BE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="9908102chaos" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="9908102chaos" Content-Base: "http://www.computerworld.com/home/news .nsf/all/9908102chaos" Content-Location: "http://www.computerworld.com/home/news .nsf/all/9908102chaos" Reporter's notebook: Hackers on holiday
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Reporter's notebook: Hackers on holiday
By Ann Harrison



ALTLANDSBERG, GERMANY -- CAMPnet, billed as the largest civilian open-air Internet network ever created, sprang to life last weekend when 1,800 European and American hackers gathered at the Chaos Communication Camp outside Berlin. In a tent city, connected by a switched Gigabit Ethernet, hackers on holiday swapped security tools, ate waffles, viewed fire-eating demonstrations, discussed encryption politics and went for dips in the local lake. A camper who attempted to attack the network was subjected to local justice and found himself cleaning toilets.

Constructed around a fable involving an alien spaceship which hailed a group of hackers and touched down for repairs to their damaged computers, the camp featured a sculpted spaceship and a ''landing area'' illuminated by ghostly neon pillars. Inside the 300-foot Hacktent, long tables held hundreds of PCs brought by participants to connect to CAMPnet, which supported 1,500 hosts and carried an aggregate Internet bandwidth of 20M bit/sec.

Lounging outside near one of the seventeen ''data toilet'' portapotties that housed the network routers, Andy Muller-Maguhn said the camp reflected a cultural movement concerned with data security, privacy and the free flow of information.

''It's one thing to be on a mailing list,'' said Muller-Maguhn, who serves as a spokesperson for the Berlin-based Chaos Computer Club (CCC) that created the event. ''But sitting in a campground and having discussions all night gets people networked more closely together and helps develop solutions to problems we haven't even faced yet, while computer companies sell solutions to problems we wouldn't have without them.''

The featured event Saturday night was the Linux Death Match, in which teams of network administrators tried to halt one another's network services. The match was won by a team from Munich that chose not to attack, but instead fortified its machine with FreeBSD tools.

Tobias, a programmer and software developer from Berlin who was watching the match, said he was impressed by the level of expertise. ''It's pretty amazing to see the knowledge these people have, all these people sitting here in front of these machines will never have problem finding a job," Tobias said. ''Everyone around here knows how useful it is to find vulnerabilities, and most of these people don't destroy systems, don't crack systems, they just look at them.''

David Del Torto, director of technology for security services at Deloitte & Touche, taught a workshop entitled ''Take This Job and Ping It/Hacking the Corporate Ladder for Fun and Profit." He said hackers were working at all the Big Five accounting and auditing firms -- where their skills are in high demand. ''As long as you are not hacking the company you work for and destroying your reputation, you are going to have no problem getting jobs,'' Del Torto said.

Security flaws in commercial software and hardware were popular topics at camp workshops, which included discussions on ''Biometric Insecurity'' and the construction of Windows NT Shell Code for Buffer Overflow Exploits. The camp's re-engineering awards went to a group that developed a technique to alter the ID numbers on Global System for Mobile Communications cell phones and to another team that found a way to defeat a biometric fingerprint scanning system.

Despite their demonization in the press, hackers have traditionally distributed critical information about insecure products and used this information to search for better solutions, attendees said. Hugh Daniels, a California resident who presented a workshop on the Linux FreeS/WAN encryption project, pointed to the high rate of online credit card fraud. He said users should demand the creation of networks that cannot be stolen from and strong encryption to protect personal data. ''I'm trying to build a civil society that holds up through mathematics, not guns,'' Daniels told the crowd.

Muller-Maguhn noted that unlike the U.S., which imposes export restrictions on strong encryption, Germany has politicians who listened to advice from the hacker community and chose not to impose similar controls. ''People here are always thinking critically about fascism, so people want to drive the technology, not be driven by it," he said.

Dave Boyce, who works for an Internet service provider in Amsterdam, declared that the ultimate purpose of the camp was to create networks of activists to defend such policies. ''It's important that crypto is free from government control so that we can exchange information freely because ultimately your freedom starts with the exchange of information,'' said Boyce. ''What we are doing here is creating frameworks for the freedom of information."





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--------------A34C26BCEB3328EB6A1507BE-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 17 16:48:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id D37AD14FAD; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F8E1CD8A8; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:48:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Mark Murray Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-Reply-To: <199908170659.IAA38192@gratis.grondar.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Mark Murray wrote: > Examples of broken/unused hierarchical structures: > > o .COM namespace. Worse, .fr namespace (everything, or at least a lot of stuff, off of .fr :-) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 17 17:57:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hodgepodge.Sendmail.COM (nat.Sendmail.COM [206.189.75.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40C715754 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:57:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@hodgepodge.Sendmail.COM) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by hodgepodge.Sendmail.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA50467; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:56:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19990817175615.B50289@Sendmail.COM> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:56:15 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: dannyman , Joe Grosch Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bay Area Install-A-Thon Reply-To: jgrosch@Sendmail.COM References: <199908150800.BAA09685@bafug.bsdbox.com> <19990817133511.K353@stumpy.dannyland.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <19990817133511.K353@stumpy.dannyland.org>; from dannyman on Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 01:35:11PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 01:35:11PM -0700, dannyman wrote: > On Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 01:00:11AM -0700, Joe Grosch wrote: > ^^^^^^ > > BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) will hold it's monthly Install-A-Thon > > in conjunction with the Robert Austin computer show on July 24th at the > [...] ^^^^^^^^^ > > Hrmmm.... Yes, I know. We are bringing bafug.org back to life and I forgot about the cron job. Look for more info later tonight on www.bafug.[org|net|com] Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.2 jgrosch@Sendmail.COM | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 17 18: 4:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12337158B0 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:04:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-14-64.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.14.64]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA31185; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA71823; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:51:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199908172351.SAA71823@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jamie Bowden Cc: Andrew Perry , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Speaking about serial numbers... (was Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable ) In-reply-to: Message from Jamie Bowden of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:38:25 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:51:37 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jamie Bowden writes: > On Sat, 14 Aug 1999, David Kelly wrote: > > :The Pacific Coast was the first and last motorcycle Honda allowed their > :American automotive division to design. The motorcycle division handles > :the Gold Wing. From the rear the PC looks like a big scooter. That's > :what probably killed it in the market. > > It replaced the ST1100, which was a much nicer looking bike, IMHO. The ST1100 wasn't replaced. The ST1100 is still available for about $11k to $15k, depends if you want ABS brakes. Honda considered the ST1100 and PC800 to be their "sport touring" bikes. A red '83 Honda Sabre V45 (750cc) with (optional) factory fairing and luggage is one of the most beautiful motorcycles I've ever seen. Haven't seen one since '84 when I thought the '83 was much better looking than the '84 beside it. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 17 23:30:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B862014D28 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id IAA25698 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:30:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id BCE0A8795; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:28:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:28:01 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables Message-ID: <19990818082801.A81973@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: chat@freebsd.org References: <199908170659.IAA38192@gratis.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Kris Kennaway on Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 04:48:15PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5543 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Kris Kennaway: > Worse, .fr namespace (everything, or at least a lot of stuff, off of .fr > :-) Don't start me or Pierre Beyssac on this please :) You don't want to know :) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #73: Sat Jul 31 15:36:05 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 18 6:22:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E641581C for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:22:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28B3541BB; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06B749BD1; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:22:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: David Kelly Cc: Andrew Perry , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Speaking about serial numbers... (was Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable ) In-Reply-To: <199908172351.SAA71823@nospam.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, David Kelly wrote: :Jamie Bowden writes: :> On Sat, 14 Aug 1999, David Kelly wrote: :> :> :The Pacific Coast was the first and last motorcycle Honda allowed their :> :American automotive division to design. The motorcycle division handles :> :the Gold Wing. From the rear the PC looks like a big scooter. That's :> :what probably killed it in the market. :> :> It replaced the ST1100, which was a much nicer looking bike, IMHO. : :The ST1100 wasn't replaced. The ST1100 is still available for about $11k :to $15k, depends if you want ABS brakes. Honda considered the ST1100 and :PC800 to be their "sport touring" bikes. The ST1100 is being imported again? Cool. Honda had stopped importing them when the PC came out originally. They were still available in Japan, and other countries I assume. I'm glad to hear that. :A red '83 Honda Sabre V45 (750cc) with (optional) factory fairing and :luggage is one of the most beautiful motorcycles I've ever seen. Haven't :seen one since '84 when I thought the '83 was much better looking than :the '84 beside it. NOt familiar with that. I like the BMW bikes, but like the cars, they are overpriced on this side of the pond. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 18 9:40:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from topsecret.net (gill.apk.net [207.54.148.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B34414FD4 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:40:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gill@topsecret.net) Received: from stumpy by topsecret.net with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:39:02 -0400 From: "James Gill" To: , "'Freebsd-Security@Freebsd. Org'" Cc: "Harry M. Leitzell" Subject: OpenBSD (FW: Please do not take this above statement too lightly, since the project is typically not in strong financial health.) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:38:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: gill@topsecret.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, Harry, I guess you were right. Nevermind, go back to your chores. (cores?) --gill -----Original Message----- From: Theo de Raadt [mailto:deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Please do not take this above statement too lightly, since the project is typically not in strong financial health. Not in your life. Sorry. You better read up on history. http://theos.com/deraadt/coremail And search archives. > > Hi Theo. > > You don't know me, I'm just a (relatively new) *BSD user making his > way in the world out of the clutches of a microsoft-dominated > landscape. > > While exploring the *BSD community I learned of the different projects > (Free, Open, Net) and wondered aloud why these projects were not more > closely aligned. When I read on your website that the project was in > grave danger due to lack of funding I became concerned because in my > security work I've heard OpenBSD highly regarded and I anticipate that > the future can only bring further improvements. > > My concern lead me to make some posts in the freebsd-security mailing > list where I made the following comment and recived the response from > one Jordan K. Hubbard: > ------------------------------------------------ > > I dunno, perhaps this is an opportune time to try to coordinate the > > projects? > > It's never been a question of money, coordination, or really anything > at all to do with engineering. It has everything to do with one or > more individuals volunteering the time necessary for making something > like this happen. > > That also goes for just about every other obvious idea or clear > shortcoming that one might note for FreeBSD - if it's obvious or > clear, chances are excellent that it's been both suggested many times > and failed many times due to lack of this one key missing ingredient. > :) > > - Jordan > ------------------------------------------------ > > And before I go and open my big mouth and say how excited I would be > to do My Part, I wanted to know what your views were on the situation? > How willing is OpenBSD to try to coordinate it's strengths with the > FreeBSD project and vice versa to implement the best of both? > > regards, > --gill > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 18 12:47:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79418151BF; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:47:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id MAA25784; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id MAA14768; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:40:04 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id NAA05477; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:46:12 -0600 Message-ID: <37BB0D83.27927148@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:46:11 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Gill Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, "'Freebsd-Security@Freebsd. Org'" , "Harry M. Leitzell" Subject: Re: OpenBSD (FW: Please do not take this above statement too lightly, since the project is typically not in strong financial health.) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org James Gill wrote: > Theo de Raadt [mailto:deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org] wrote: > > > > Sorry. You better read up on history. > > > > http://theos.com/deraadt/coremail > > > > And search archives. > > Well, Harry, I guess you were right. > > Nevermind, go back to your chores. (cores?) This is a pretty one-sided archive, omitting most of what Theo said. Look it up in the archives yourself, and look up some of the incidents that lead up to it. It was certainly not the childish reaction Theo paints it as. Theo is very abrupt and thinks everyone in the world other than himself should have skin 3 feet thick, while he is VERY quick to take insult at any reference he doesn't consider complimentary. OpenBSD has been hanging by a financial thread since the day Theo created it because it is Theo's baby, Theo doesn't make (much) money from it or any- thing else, and because Theo fails to attract any considerable development team because he is rude and arrogant. I'm continually amazed at the abrupt, curt, and rude answers I get to every correspondence with Theo or OpenBSD.org, even when I am offering some small item of help. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 18 16:10:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7A8F158E3 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:10:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 23259 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 23:11:16 -0000 Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.41) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 23:11:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:11:15 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Wes Peters , marc rassbach , Brett Glass , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, James Gill Subject: Re: OpenBSD In-Reply-To: <2446.935007550@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [hijacked from -security] On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <37BB140D.2D5E9A02@softweyr.com>, Wes Peters writes: > >Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > >> Antartica is a UN protectorate, you cannot setup a business there, and > >> I doubt they would allow us either. > >> > >> I hate to think about the cost of the T1 line too. > > > >I can probably negotiate us a good discount with Alcatel sumbmarine networks. > >They don't do T1, but Jordan would need at least an OC-48 anyhow, wouldn't > >he? > > As far as I know the 386BSD0.0 machine which runs the "jordan" AI program > is only connected with a 9600 slip line :-) Slip? What's wrong with UUCP? David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 18 16:29:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9377314E3C for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from ppp18344.on.bellglobal.com (ppp18329.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.9]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16891; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by ppp18344.on.bellglobal.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA18128; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:31:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:31:52 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Roelof Osinga Cc: k4n _ , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD webdesign Message-ID: <19990818193152.E15097@ppp18344.on.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: hoek@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990817233734.80790.qmail@hotmail.com> <37BB0AEE.ED7B311F@nisser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <37BB0AEE.ED7B311F@nisser.com>; from Roelof Osinga on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:35:10PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [-doc, -questions -=> -chat] [Re: background colour of the FreeBSD webpage]. On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:35:10PM +0200, Roelof Osinga wrote: > > Why do people always assume that dark is cool. The purpose of a website Because it's associated with evil? -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 18 20:57:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE5614FB2 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:57:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-14-151.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.14.151]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA03129; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:57:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA76571; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:56:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199908190356.WAA76571@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jamie Bowden Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Speaking about serial numbers... (was Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable ) In-reply-to: Message from Jamie Bowden of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:22:41 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:56:58 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jamie Bowden writes: > On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, David Kelly wrote: > :The ST1100 wasn't replaced. The ST1100 is still available for about $11k > :to $15k, depends if you want ABS brakes. Honda considered the ST1100 and > :PC800 to be their "sport touring" bikes. > > The ST1100 is being imported again? Cool. Honda had stopped importing > them when the PC came out originally. They were still available in Japan, > and other countries I assume. I'm glad to hear that. http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/touring/index.html http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/touring/st1100abs11 $14,299 http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/touring/st1100 $11,799 -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 4:50:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246A814BCD for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id NAA19831 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:48:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id NAA48101; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:49:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990819134924.38423@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:49:24 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD mugs ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ... are they ever coming back ? -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 7:42: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (n2000039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB0E14A12; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Received: from nisser.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA19020; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:41:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Message-ID: <37BC1762.9E42021D@nisser.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:40:34 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hoek@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: k4n _ , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD webdesign References: <19990817233734.80790.qmail@hotmail.com> <37BB0AEE.ED7B311F@nisser.com> <19990818193152.E15097@ppp18344.on.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > [-doc, -questions -=> -chat] Knew I'd forgotten something > [Re: background colour of the FreeBSD webpage]. > On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:35:10PM +0200, Roelof Osinga wrote: > > > > Why do people always assume that dark is cool. The purpose of a website > > Because it's associated with evil? Why do people always assume that evil is cool. The purpose of the website is to provide *good* information. Something that should be expressed or made manifest in the colour scheme choosen :). Roelof -- This line intentionally left blank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 12:51:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6EFD15445 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 50948 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Aug 1999 19:50:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:50:37 -0700 From: Bill Swingle To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: [unfurl@freebsd.org: Re: FreeBSD mugs ...] Message-ID: <19990819125036.E50296@dub.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hopefully sometime in the next week the new stainless steel coffee mugs will be availble at www.freebsdmall.com. I just talked to the person in charge of getting them posted there. ;) -Bill On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 01:49:24PM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > ... are they ever coming back ? > > > > > -- > Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- -=| Bill Swingle - unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 13:25:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED2015235 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:22:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA43763 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:13:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13476 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:19:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:19:42 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Rebranding FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990819121942.A13140@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -chat, Since there's still plenty of time before FreeBSD 4.0 is launched, perhaps we might consider rebranding it? Personally, I think launching it as "Windows NT Service Pack 6" might get us a few more sales. . . N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 14:53:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA7D151EF for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:53:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04974 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37BC7CBD.BC07414B@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:53:01 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: O'Reilly Open Source Con, anyone going? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The O'Reilly Open Source Con is this weekend, I'll be there from Sat to Tues and was wondering if any other FreeBSD folks will be there. I know FreeBSD won't have anything official there, but are there any plans to get them together for lunch or dinner? I'll have to glue my FreeBSD cap on to my head for the con :-) -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu CSU Sacramento - Office Of Water Programs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 14:59:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F25914CCF for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:59:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 37440 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 21:59:28 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.42) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 21:59:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:59:28 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Nik Clayton Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rebranding FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <19990819121942.A13140@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > -chat, > > Since there's still plenty of time before FreeBSD 4.0 is launched, perhaps > we might consider rebranding it? > > Personally, I think launching it as "Windows NT Service Pack 6" might get > us a few more sales. . . Slight problem that we would be several versions behind by the time 4.0-RELEASE happens. David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 15: 5:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06DC414FAF for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 52278 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Aug 1999 22:04:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:04:22 -0700 From: Bill Swingle To: Joseph Scott Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O'Reilly Open Source Con, anyone going? Message-ID: <19990819150422.B52197@dub.net> References: <37BC7CBD.BC07414B@owp.csus.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <37BC7CBD.BC07414B@owp.csus.edu>; from Joseph Scott on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 02:53:01PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actaully we will have a booth there :) Mike Smith and I will bee manning the booth Monday and Tuesday. I think Jordan will be flying around as usual. I think he has a panel discussion or a talk that he is giving. We should definatly do the dinner thing :) -Bill On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 02:53:01PM -0700, Joseph Scott wrote: > > The O'Reilly Open Source Con is this weekend, I'll be there from Sat to > Tues and was wondering if any other FreeBSD folks will be there. I know > FreeBSD won't have anything official there, but are there any plans to > get them together for lunch or dinner? > > I'll have to glue my FreeBSD cap on to my head for the con :-) > > -- > > Joseph Scott > > joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu > CSU Sacramento - Office Of Water Programs > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- -=| Bill Swingle - unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 15:18:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63515151BD for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:18:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reichman@twcny.rr.com) Received: from twcny.rr.com ([24.95.188.113]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:18:17 -0400 Message-ID: <37BC84E3.E0959162@twcny.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:27:47 -0400 From: "Mark S. Reichman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Regnauld Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mugs ... References: <19990819134924.38423@ns.int.ftf.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know someone that can make the mugs if thats the problem... Phil Regnauld wrote: > > ... are they ever coming back ? > > > > -- > Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 15:24:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D908151BD for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:24:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05071; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37BC83E3.53C237D1@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:23:31 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Swingle Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O'Reilly Open Source Con, anyone going? References: <37BC7CBD.BC07414B@owp.csus.edu> <19990819150422.B52197@dub.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Awesome, I saw that Monday night HP is putting on a party. When is a good time to get everyone together then? I assume that one of the big things being hyped at the both will be the upcoming FreeBSD con in October? Do you know what panel/talk he'll be giving, I'd like to keep an eye out for it. Thanks. Bill Swingle wrote: > > Actaully we will have a booth there :) Mike Smith and I will bee manning > the booth Monday and Tuesday. I think Jordan will be flying around as > usual. I think he has a panel discussion or a talk that he is giving. > > We should definatly do the dinner thing :) > > -Bill -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu CSU Sacramento - Office Of Water Programs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 15:57:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244C01526D for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from ppp18344.on.bellglobal.com (ppp18380.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.60]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16132; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by ppp18344.on.bellglobal.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA22513; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:58:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:58:08 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Roelof Osinga Cc: k4n _ , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD webdesign Message-ID: <19990819185808.A22445@ppp18344.on.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: hoek@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990817233734.80790.qmail@hotmail.com> <37BB0AEE.ED7B311F@nisser.com> <19990818193152.E15097@ppp18344.on.bellglobal.com> <37BC1762.9E42021D@nisser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <37BC1762.9E42021D@nisser.com>; from Roelof Osinga on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 04:40:34PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 04:40:34PM +0200, Roelof Osinga wrote: > > > > Why do people always assume that dark is cool. The purpose of a website > > > > Because it's associated with evil? > > Why do people always assume that evil is cool. The purpose of the website Rebellion and youth -=> freedom. Freedom is often viewed as inherently good. You may view this as an evolutionary (either social or biological) quirk, if you so choose. For those past their youth, it may remind them of youth, which of course, they will associate with freedom and we're back here again. Of course, anything so every-day as a particular colour will have many more factors that influence perception of it. -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 16:53:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pinnacle.co.nz (pinnacle.co.nz [202.37.163.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE8E15292 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:53:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Received: (from jonc@localhost) by pinnacle.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05236; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:52:14 +1200 (NZST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:52:14 +1200 (NZST) From: Jonathan Chen To: "Mark S. Reichman" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mugs ... In-Reply-To: <37BC84E3.E0959162@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Mark S. Reichman wrote: > I know someone that can make the mugs if > thats the problem... IIRC, the problem has been breakage during shipping. But if stainless steel cup are on offer, I'd get one. -- Jonathan Chen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 17:23:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E981315285; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA00856; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:22:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA73754; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:22:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:22:02 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Nik Clayton Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rebranding FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990820022202.A73354@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19990819121942.A13140@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990819121942.A13140@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 12:19:42PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 12:19:42PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > -chat, > > Since there's still plenty of time before FreeBSD 4.0 is launched, perhaps > we might consider rebranding it? I think this would be a good idea. However, there is only one way I think it might acutally work in practice: (1) The core team, in private, decide on a new name. This can be done through any means - I believe personal combat is the most viable one, but e-mail might be easier to arrange. (2) Core contacts the other interested parties (developers, external contributors, mailing lists, kids with FreeBSD sweatshirts, whatever), and gets an opinion on whether to actually change the name. This might be done with or without saying what the name would be changed to (personally, I think not saying would probably work better), but it is important that it is done AFTER the potential new name has been agreed on, as choosing a name after it has been decided to switch would be impossible. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 19 17:31: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EC615285 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA02320; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:29:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA73822; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:29:34 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:29:34 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: David Scheidt Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OpenBSD Message-ID: <19990820022934.B73354@bitbox.follo.net> References: <2446.935007550@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from David Scheidt on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 06:11:15PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 06:11:15PM -0500, David Scheidt wrote: > [hijacked from -security] > On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <37BB140D.2D5E9A02@softweyr.com>, Wes Peters writes: > > >They don't do T1, but Jordan would need at least an OC-48 anyhow, wouldn't > > >he? > > > > As far as I know the 386BSD0.0 machine which runs the "jordan" AI program > > is only connected with a 9600 slip line :-) > > Slip? What's wrong with UUCP? Jordan also does IRC. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 0:20:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tjohoo.se (b1.mediasvar.se [194.17.201.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 212A015174 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:20:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@mail.tjohoo.se) Received: (qmail 23491 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 1999 09:20:29 -0000 Date: 20 Aug 1999 09:20:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990820092029.23490.qmail@mail.tjohoo.se> To: jonc@pinnacle.co.nz, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mugs ... X-Mailer: TjohooMAIL X-WebsiteUser-IP: 195.100.253.181 From: Tommy Hallgren MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have a picture of the mug(s)? Regards, Tommy > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Mark S. Reichman wrote: >=20 > > I know someone that can make the mugs if > > thats the problem... >=20 > IIRC, the problem has been breakage during shipping. But if > stainless steel cup are on offer, I'd get one. > -- > Jonathan Chen. >=20 >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message ____________________________________ Gratis epost med TJOHOOMAIL http://www.tjohoo.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 1:14:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (mail.palmerharvey.co.uk [62.172.109.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696CC15214; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk) Received: from ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk (unverified) by mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.0.1) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:12:59 +0100 Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk (VOODOO [10.100.35.12]) by ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id RH63G3MY; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:12:44 +0100 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Hjnb-000DIN-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:13:19 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:13:19 +0100 To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Nik Clayton , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rebranding FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990820091318.B48102@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> References: <19990819121942.A13140@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <19990820022202.A73354@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990820022202.A73354@bitbox.follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 02:22:02AM +0200 From: Dominic Mitchell Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 02:22:02AM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > I think this would be a good idea. However, there is only one way I > think it might acutally work in practice: > > (1) The core team, in private, decide on a new name. This can be done > through any means - I believe personal combat is the most viable > one, but e-mail might be easier to arrange. If you want to sell to the Youth market, I would suggest FurBSD. We may well need to vamp our IR drivers and include a speech synthesis module to pull this one off. A brightly coloured box and a "limiting" campaign would also work wonders. -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator "Finally, when replying to messages only quote the parts of the message your will be discussing or that are relevant. Quoting whole messages and adding two lines at the top is not good etiquette." -- Elias Levy ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 2:31: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF6B15325 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:30:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA02851; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:30:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id LAA53971; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:30:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990820113053.51846@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:30:53 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Jonathan Chen Cc: "Mark S. Reichman" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Stainless or porcelain ? (Re: FreeBSD mugs ...) References: <37BC84E3.E0959162@twcny.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Jonathan Chen on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:52:14AM +1200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan Chen writes: > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Mark S. Reichman wrote: > > > I know someone that can make the mugs if > > thats the problem... > > IIRC, the problem has been breakage during shipping. But if > stainless steel cup are on offer, I'd get one. Me too -- unless they're those "trucker-thermal-nospill-explosion-proof" kind, with the plastic lid on top. They're downright ugly. -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 2:31:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DE714E1A for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:31:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA02887; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:30:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id LAA53979; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:31:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990820113114.21041@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:31:14 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Tommy Hallgren Cc: jonc@pinnacle.co.nz, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mugs ... References: <19990820092029.23490.qmail@mail.tjohoo.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990820092029.23490.qmail@mail.tjohoo.se>; from Tommy Hallgren on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 09:20:29AM -0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tommy Hallgren writes: > Does anyone have a picture of the mug(s)? > You mean, a mugshot ? -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 2:35:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5251114E1A; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:35:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA03064; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:33:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id LAA54003; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:33:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990820113352.39989@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:33:52 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Dominic Mitchell Cc: Eivind Eklund , Nik Clayton , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rebranding FreeBSD References: <19990819121942.A13140@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <19990820022202.A73354@bitbox.follo.net> <19990820091318.B48102@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990820091318.B48102@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk>; from Dominic Mitchell on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 09:13:19AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dominic Mitchell writes: > > If you want to sell to the Youth market, I would suggest FurBSD. We may Suggested it to Jordan at USENIX -- that and shipping crates of the physically-altered(1) little buggers -- he almost fainted. (1) Take a furby, take the skin off and die it red (that's documented), glue horns, remember the tail, and voilą: FurBSD. -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 3:35:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCE315334; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:35:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08541; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:35:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA75887; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:35:16 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:35:15 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Dominic Mitchell Cc: Nik Clayton , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rebranding FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990820123515.C73354@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19990819121942.A13140@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <19990820022202.A73354@bitbox.follo.net> <19990820091318.B48102@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990820091318.B48102@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk>; from Dominic Mitchell on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 09:13:19AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 09:13:19AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 02:22:02AM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > I think this would be a good idea. However, there is only one way I > > think it might acutally work in practice: > > > > (1) The core team, in private, decide on a new name. This can be done ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > through any means - I believe personal combat is the most viable > > one, but e-mail might be easier to arrange. > > If you want to sell to the Youth market, I would suggest FurBSD. We may > well need to vamp our IR drivers and include a speech synthesis module > to pull this one off. > > A brightly coloured box and a "limiting" campaign would also work > wonders. Thanks for proving my point. :) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 3:41:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (mail.palmerharvey.co.uk [62.172.109.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A85714DCB; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:41:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk) Received: from ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk (unverified) by mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.0.1) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:40:34 +0100 Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk (VOODOO [10.100.35.12]) by ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id RH63G3S3; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:40:19 +0100 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Hm6O-000DXw-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:40:52 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:40:52 +0100 To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Dominic Mitchell , Nik Clayton , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rebranding FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990820114052.A52061@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> References: <19990819121942.A13140@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <19990820022202.A73354@bitbox.follo.net> <19990820091318.B48102@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> <19990820123515.C73354@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990820123515.C73354@bitbox.follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 12:35:15PM +0200 From: Dominic Mitchell Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 12:35:15PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 09:13:19AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 02:22:02AM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > > I think this would be a good idea. However, there is only one way I > > > think it might acutally work in practice: > > > > > > (1) The core team, in private, decide on a new name. This can be done > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > through any means - I believe personal combat is the most viable > > > one, but e-mail might be easier to arrange. > > > > If you want to sell to the Youth market, I would suggest FurBSD. We may > > well need to vamp our IR drivers and include a speech synthesis module > > to pull this one off. > > > > A brightly coloured box and a "limiting" campaign would also work > > wonders. > > Thanks for proving my point. :) Hey! I consist of a core team of me, for me, to determine my actions. So there! ;-P -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator "Finally, when replying to messages only quote the parts of the message your will be discussing or that are relevant. Quoting whole messages and adding two lines at the top is not good etiquette." -- Elias Levy ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 8:51: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [194.77.0.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7792153B5 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29304 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:50:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28154 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:48:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:48:42 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CCNP, got it ;-) Message-ID: <19990820174842.A27652@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wow wow ... last weeks and months were hard, but now I got the CCNP ;-) Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD Latest song from our band: http://www.freebsd.org/~andreas/mp3/schaukel.mp3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 9:37: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from forty-two.egroups.net (teapot.findmail.com [206.16.70.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392A114C01 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:36:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@forty-two.egroups.net) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by forty-two.egroups.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA86491; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:36:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:36:00 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Phil Regnauld Cc: Tommy Hallgren , jonc@pinnacle.co.nz, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mugs ... Message-ID: <19990820093600.A86330@forty-two.egroups.net> References: <19990820092029.23490.qmail@mail.tjohoo.se> <19990820113114.21041@ns.int.ftf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990820113114.21041@ns.int.ftf.net>; from Phil Regnauld on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:31:14AM +0200 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:31:14AM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > Tommy Hallgren writes: > > Does anyone have a picture of the mug(s)? > > You mean, a mugshot ? Argh. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Black holes were created mailto:gsutter@pobox.com when God divided by zero. http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 10:21:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E4815383 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:21:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15028; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990820132038.A13996@netmonger.net> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:20:38 -0400 From: Christopher Masto To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Goodnight Whistle? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just received the notice that Whistle has discontinued the majority of its product line due to (among other things) "higher than expected demand", and "Whistle's aquisition by IBM". I wonder what will become of this FreeBSD "success story". Personally I think it was a mistake to continue selling a 486 with 8MB RAM, a 1GB hard drive, and a 28.8 modem for $2000. Particularly since there were no major technological improvements to the product since it was introduced. The last major upgrade seemed almost entirely cosmetic. Unfortunately, it's proprietary, so with Whistle no longer working on it there's no possibility of fixing/improving it ourselves. I think I'm going to start looking for a similar hardware platform to develop something similar. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, since this seems to have been EOL week for ISP equipment. -- Christopher Masto Senior Network Monkey NetMonger Communications chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net Free yourself, free your machine, free the daemon -- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 10:28:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from topsecret.net (gill.apk.net [207.54.148.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A526015399 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:28:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gill@topsecret.net) Received: from stumpy by topsecret.net with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:22:33 -0400 From: "James Gill" To: Subject: Cleveland, OH FBSD UG? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:22:28 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: gill@topsecret.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are there any other FreeBSD users in the Cleveland, OH area and is there a UG? (besides the GCPCUG) --gill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 10:35:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sand5.global.net.uk (sand5.global.net.uk [194.126.80.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411A015399 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:35:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from pb7s13a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.221.184] helo=marder-1.) by sand5.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11HsYe-0001qv-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:34:28 +0100 Received: (from marko@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id SAA00312; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:21:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:21:02 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Phil Regnauld Cc: Tommy Hallgren , jonc@pinnacle.co.nz, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mugs ... Message-ID: <19990820182102.A273@marder-1> References: <19990820092029.23490.qmail@mail.tjohoo.se> <19990820113114.21041@ns.int.ftf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990820113114.21041@ns.int.ftf.net>; from Phil Regnauld on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:31:14AM +0200 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:31:14AM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > Tommy Hallgren writes: > > Does anyone have a picture of the mug(s)? > > > > You mean, a mugshot ? > groan ;-) > > -- > Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 10:51:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B4C14C4E; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16633; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:50:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd016566; Fri Aug 20 10:49:59 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07485; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:49:55 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908201749.KAA07485@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Rebranding FreeBSD To: regnauld@ftf.net (Phil Regnauld) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:49:55 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk, eivind@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990820113352.39989@ns.int.ftf.net> from "Phil Regnauld" at Aug 20, 99 11:33:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by usr09.primenet.com id KAA07485 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Dominic Mitchell writes: > > If you want to sell to the Youth market, I would suggest FurBSD. We = may >=20 > Suggested it to Jordan at USENIX -- that and shipping crates of the > physically-altered(1) little buggers -- he almost fainted. >=20 > (1) Take a furby, take the skin off and die it red (that's documented)= , > glue horns, remember the tail, and voil=E0: FurBSD. I suggested doing a deal with "Ty" for a Daemon "beanie baby", and with "Tiger Electronics" for a daemon "furby" about six months ago. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 12: 2:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5509156C7 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05302 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:46:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Goodnight Whistle? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Forwarded message: > From: Christopher Masto > Subject: Goodnight Whistle? > > I just received the notice that Whistle has discontinued the majority > of its product line due to (among other things) "higher than expected > demand", and "Whistle's aquisition by IBM". Yes, we are transitionning to a new product (see (I think it was June) PCweek for a description of the new product. We made enough of the old model to last till the transition but suddenly there was an increase and change in demand and we ran out of some of them. > > I wonder what will become of this FreeBSD "success story". It will keep going. > > Personally I think it was a mistake to continue selling a 486 with 8MB > RAM, a 1GB hard drive, and a 28.8 modem for $2000. Particularly since > there were no major technological improvements to the product since it > was introduced. The last major upgrade seemed almost entirely > cosmetic. The last major upgrade was mostly bugfixes in preparation for the VERY different version about to come out. BTW the best release to be on at the moment is 3.2.1p7. > > Unfortunately, it's proprietary, so with Whistle no longer working on > it there's no possibility of fixing/improving it ourselves. I think > I'm going to start looking for a similar hardware platform to develop > something similar. We are no longer selling that model as we ran out but we ARE still supporting it and the new ones will replace it. If we were to go under I'm pretty sure we'd make the sources available so you COULD maintain it, but now we are part of IBM I can't see that (going under) happenning any time soon. > > Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, since this seems to have been EOL week > for ISP equipment. It is not EOL for whistle interjet, it's end of model year basically, that's all. we just had a stuffup where we mispredicted the demand and have an unvortunate gap in availability between the old one and the new one. The old IJs will continue to be suported and have upgrades as well. My own information on the announcement is that only certain models (the ones we ran out of) were discontinued. I'm glad that a misaprehension of our demise causes someone so much grief. It's kinda reassuring really :-) julian (BTW this was forwarded to me.. I'm not on the list so keep me in the loop) > -- > Christopher Masto Senior Network Monkey NetMonger Communications > chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 13:50:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop06.iname.net (pop06.iname.net [165.251.8.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FA214D5F for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid ([216.127.220.121]) by pop06.iname.net (8.9.1/8.8.0) with SMTP id TAA23608; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990809183700.0099f9c0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 18:37:00 -0500 To: cjc26@cornell.edu From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Gravlax Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 18:31 09-08-1999 -0400, cjc26@cornell.edu wrote: >On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > >> Darn it, now you've gone and made me hungry. I definitely fall into >> the latter category (haveing someone else cook for me), so I'm going >> to pester my wife to make gravlax this week. :-) > >To make *what*?? "Gravlax"?? Isn't that what astronauts eat before re-entering gravity? Gravitational laxative, perhaps? :-) Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 14: 6:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [194.77.0.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCE61538F for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:06:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08796; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:05:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA54410; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:05:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:05:43 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: de-bsd-chat@DE.FreeBSD.ORG Subject: please visit/test my new web pages on freefall Message-ID: <19990820230543.A54384@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ! reorganized / redesigned my homepage on freefall. Download is just happening ... If you like, visit them an please tell me any problems. Thanks ! Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD Latest song from our band: http://www.freebsd.org/~andreas/mp3/schaukel.mp3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 15:57:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E3E153AE; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:57:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA37404; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:32:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04478; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:48:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:48:48 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rebranding FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990820114848.A3785@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19990819121942.A13140@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990819121942.A13140@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 12:19:42PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 12:19:42PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > Since there's still plenty of time before FreeBSD 4.0 is launched, perhaps > we might consider rebranding it? In case this wasn't sufficiently obvious (and judging by some of the private e-mail I've received, it wasn't), this > Personally, I think launching it as "Windows NT Service Pack 6" might get > us a few more sales. . . was a joke guys. I wonder if I could pick up some bumper stickers while I'm at FreeBSDCon; NT: Retry Reboot Reformat Reinstall. . . FreeBSD or something like that (the annoying thing about that line is that it actually sounds better if the last word is "RedHat", not "FreeBSD". Hmm, "RedBSD" anyone?). N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 20 19: 5:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (D5805.DIALUP.CORNELL.EDU [128.253.49.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9D5153D0; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) Received: from localhost (cjc26@localhost) by tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00647; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:05:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net: cjc26 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: a disembodied voice emerging from the chaos of reality X-Sender: cjc26@tankgrrl To: Nik Clayton Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rebranding FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <19990820114848.A3785@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: | I wonder if I could pick up some bumper stickers while I'm at FreeBSDCon; | | NT: Retry Reboot Reformat Reinstall. . . FreeBSD | | or something like that (the annoying thing about that line is that it | actually sounds better if the last word is "RedHat", not "FreeBSD". Hmm, | "RedBSD" anyone?). But I thought black was the k3wlest color of all. "BlackBSD"...now that's nice and alliterative.. -- cliff crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ There are more stars in the sky than there are -><- grains of sand on all the beaches of the world. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 21 4:37:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [194.126.80.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F70214FA3; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:37:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from p4ds12a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.220.78] helo=marder-1.) by sand4.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11I9SU-0004kG-00; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:37:14 +0100 Received: (from marko@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id MAA00319; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:30:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:30:12 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: a disembodied voice emerging from the chaos of reality Cc: Nik Clayton , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rebranding FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990821123012.A267@marder-1> References: <19990820114848.A3785@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from a disembodied voice emerging from the chaos of reality on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 06:05:51PM -0400 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 06:05:51PM -0400, a disembodied voice emerging from the chaos of reality wrote: > On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > > | I wonder if I could pick up some bumper stickers while I'm at FreeBSDCon; > | > | NT: Retry Reboot Reformat Reinstall. . . FreeBSD > | > | or something like that (the annoying thing about that line is that it > | actually sounds better if the last word is "RedHat", not "FreeBSD". Hmm, > | "RedBSD" anyone?). > > But I thought black was the k3wlest color of all. > > "BlackBSD"...now that's nice and alliterative.. > Sounds good, but the colour black is associated with Satan, the Dark Side and all things evil. Would it not reinforce the belief that FreeBSD is bad, by those who don't know a daemon from a demon? > > -- > cliff crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ > There are more stars in the sky than there are > -><- grains of sand on all the beaches of the world. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 21 16:29:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77725153DA for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:29:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA82965; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:27:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37BF35EC.19633E69@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:27:40 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0815 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Warner Losh , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fwd] [fm/news] newsletter for Aug 18th 1999, 23:59 References: <199908210809.BAA34845@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All I can say is if FreeBSD ever does the same, put me down for as many shares as possible. :) Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message