From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 24 1:57:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from norn.ca.eu.org (cr965240-b.abtsfd1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.19.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C772314EEA for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cpiazza@norn.ca.eu.org) Received: by norn.ca.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id A1AFCD7; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:57:40 -0700 From: Chris Piazza To: Doug Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/mail/emil Makefile ports/x11/kvidtune Makefile ports/mail/mbx2mbox Makefile ports/lang/nawk Makefile ports/net/pathchar Makefile ports/textproc/dict Makefile ports/devel/stlport Makefile ports/textproc/urlview Makefile Message-ID: <19991024015740.B358@norn.ca.eu.org> References: <199910211902.MAA01269@freefall.freebsd.org> <3812C6B7.E5795054@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <3812C6B7.E5795054@gorean.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 01:43:35AM -0700, Doug wrote: > Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > > > > * From: Bill Fenner > > > > * Remove josh@quick.net as MAINTAINER. Email to josh@quick.net has > > * been bouncing with: > > * > > * : host mx.quick.net said: 550 ... User > > * unknown > > * > > * for over 2 months. > > > > Does anyone know where Josh went? > > He got a real life. :) It's safe to remove him. Damn him and his real life 8). -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 24 12:59:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guppy.pond.net (guppy.pond.net [205.240.25.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9B3150FA for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@aracnet.com) Received: from aracnet.com (snapuser2-89.pacificcrest.net [216.36.34.89]) by guppy.pond.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18339; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38136506.EF9D72FE@aracnet.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:59:02 -0700 From: "D.M.P." Organization: dmp@aracnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Kehlet Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nokia shells with BSD daemon on them... url, anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steven Kehlet wrote: > I remember a posting floating past a while ago about someone selling > Nokia cell phone shells with Chuck on them.... I can't find the url in > the search archives nor in any of my favorite search engines. The post I remember was someone talking about a guy at Comdex or some other mega-event doing custom airbrushing on electronics. The writer of the story had the guy airbrush the daemon onto his phone. -- "Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity. Truth and faithfulness are the most sacred excellences and endowments of the human mind." -- Cicero To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 24 14:55:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869F01513C for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:55:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id XAA22514 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:55:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 73AFE878D; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:47:39 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD con was fantastic Message-ID: <19991024204739.A49743@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: chat@freebsd.org References: <4.2.0.58.19991023222747.009dfa70@194.184.65.4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991023222747.009dfa70@194.184.65.4> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Gianmarco Giovannelli: > Now that I am back home again I like to say "Thanks" to all the organizers, > the staff, the speakers and the other guys there for everything they made. Same here ! > I hope others that were at the convention share my same thoughts. Oh yes. It was a great event and meeting all these people is what makes the trip worthwhile (at least for me, coming from Europe :-)). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #74: Thu Sep 9 00:20:51 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 25 13:11: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 638EE14C45; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A3C1CD437 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:11:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hotmail security vulnerability (viruses) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From the referenced article (see below): Hotmail's engineers could not fix the problem because Hotmail runs on FreeBSD Unix, according to Star Internet. And Network Associates, which owns anti-virus software maker McAfee -- has produced a fourth version of McAfee anti-virus scanner that can detect Melissa-style macro viruses, but that version does not run on the FreeBSD Unix operating system used by Hotmail. ---- I guess the Linux vscan port doesn't do email scanning..does anyone know of something that does? I'm just curious.. Kris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:20:33 +0100 From: "Xander Teunissen (Thejian)" To: BUGTRAQ@securityfocus.com Subject: Re: Hotmail security vulnerability (viruses) >While we are discussing Hotmail, has anyone noticed that Hotmail's virus >scanner doesn't detect most macro viruses - including any of the Melissa >varients? This article (published on Techweb last friday) notes that problem yes. It's not much of a solution (none at all, come to think of it) but it shows yet another of the problems this service is dealing with and exposing it's users to. http://techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19991015S0016 Xander Teunissen ------------------------------------------------------- E-MAIL thejian@net-security.org HNS http://net-security.org DEFAULT Newsletter: http://default.net-security.org PGP http://net-security.org/pgp/thejian ------------------------------------------------------- "I have a shotgun, a shovel, and five acres behind the house. Do not trifle with me." echelon: FBI CIA NSA IRS ATF BATF Malcolm X Militia Gun Handgun MILGOV Assault Rifle Terrorism Bomb Drug Force Constituition Bill Of Rights...etc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 25 13:25:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE581521B; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:25:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA92156; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:25:11 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: Kris Kennaway Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hotmail security vulnerability (viruses) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Today Kris Kennaway wrote: > Hotmail's engineers could not fix the problem because Hotmail runs on > FreeBSD Unix, according to Star Internet. And Network Associates, which > owns anti-virus software maker McAfee -- has produced a fourth version of > McAfee anti-virus scanner that can detect Melissa-style macro viruses, but > that version does not run on the FreeBSD Unix operating system used by > Hotmail. IIRC, it is only the front end that runs on FreeBSD. The back (mail) end is sun HW and SW. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 25 13:31:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id B78C314D2B; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53F71CD437; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:31:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:31:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: jack Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hotmail security vulnerability (viruses) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, jack wrote: > Today Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > Hotmail's engineers could not fix the problem because Hotmail runs on > > FreeBSD Unix, according to Star Internet. And Network Associates, which > > owns anti-virus software maker McAfee -- has produced a fourth version of > > McAfee anti-virus scanner that can detect Melissa-style macro viruses, but > > that version does not run on the FreeBSD Unix operating system used by > > Hotmail. > > IIRC, it is only the front end that runs on FreeBSD. The back > (mail) end is sun HW and SW. My question still stands, and that _was_ still quoted as the reason.. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 25 15:14: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 188F614C4E; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A011CD43A; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:14:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:14:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: David Schwartz Cc: jbryant@tfs.net, chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: trek73 In-Reply-To: <000101bf1f28$2a498f40$021d85d1@youwant.to> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, David Schwartz wrote: > > > "unauthorized" things for keeping Trek alive in the first place... If > > > it came out that Paramount ever tried litigation over such things, > > > they would lose a LOT of fans, and the money in their pockets! What > > > would come next? Sueing people at conventions for getting the > > > uniforms wrong? > > > > Or sueing fan websites, perhaps? > > Isn't this more or less precisely what happened once X-Files > became popular enough to not need them anymore? Yup - but my point was that at around the time of the debut of www.startrek.com, the Paramount lawyers went on a spree, marking their territory by threatening high-profile fan sites. Whether or not it's something which would stand up in court, it's hassle the project could do without, and leaving aside the issue of whether the existing trek(6) should remain I wouldn't want to tempt fate by adding a second. Amusingly, Paramount are now claiming trademark on the letter 'Q'. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 25 16:26:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97C914BD3 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24744; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:26:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAzLaWqW; Mon Oct 25 16:26:16 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13807; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:26:37 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199910252326.QAA13807@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Ok just WHERE can I grab me one of those slick FreeBSD jackets being To: insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:26:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19991022115450.C58082@lunatic.oneinsane.net> from "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" at Oct 22, 99 11:54:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Whats the scoop on the jackets being sported at FreeBSD con? > > > Where can I order 50? :-) There are several of us on #freebsd on efnet who > > > want one. Whats the scoop, and how much are they. > > > > The FreeBSD mall. > > > > They were $80 at the con, or you got one free, if you were a speaker > > (that was what was in the mysterious white "gift for speakers" box). > > > > I don't know if the FreeBSD mall was discounting merchandise at the > > con, so it may actually cost more than that; certainly, you'd need > > to pay shipping, if you don't drive up to Walnut Creek to pick it up. > > Ok I just looked and I don't see them.. URL to it would be nice.. > I added it to my xmas list ;-) It looks like the FreeBSD mall site has not been updated since October 1st. It would be on the page: http://www.freebsdmall.com/promotional/ if the page gets updated. You should probably nudge the webmaster: mailto:webmaster@freebsdmall.com To get it updated. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 25 16:47: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from limbo.cdrom.com (limbo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBED14BF8 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@limbo.cdrom.com) Received: (from jim@localhost) by limbo.cdrom.com (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) id d9PNiYF29643; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:44:33 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Terry Lambert Cc: insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ok just WHERE can I grab me one of those slick FreeBSD jackets being Message-ID: <19991025164433.A29603@limbo.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@cdrom.com References: <19991022115450.C58082@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <199910252326.QAA13807@usr06.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1i In-Reply-To: <199910252326.QAA13807@usr06.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 11:26:37PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 at 23:26:37 +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Whats the scoop on the jackets being sported at FreeBSD con? > > > > Where can I order 50? :-) There are several of us on #freebsd > > > > on efnet who want one. Whats the scoop, and how much are they. > > > > > > The FreeBSD mall. > > > > > > They were $80 at the con, or you got one free, if you were a > > > speaker (that was what was in the mysterious white "gift for > > > speakers" box). > > > > > > I don't know if the FreeBSD mall was discounting merchandise at > > > the con, so it may actually cost more than that; certainly, > > > you'd need to pay shipping, if you don't drive up to Walnut > > > Creek to pick it up. > > > > Ok I just looked and I don't see them.. URL to it would be nice.. > > I added it to my xmas list ;-) > > > It looks like the FreeBSD mall site has not been updated since > October 1st. > > It would be on the page: > > http://www.freebsdmall.com/promotional/ > > if the page gets updated. You should probably nudge the webmaster: Getting them up on the site is being worked on. They should be showing up on the site soon. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@cdrom.com - - phone: 925.691.2800 x3814 - fax: 925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - freebsdzine - http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 25 18:31:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2E9152B3; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04734; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAf7aOgj; Mon Oct 25 18:31:01 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22839; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:31:22 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199910260131.SAA22839@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Hotmail security vulnerability (viruses) (fwd) To: kris@hub.freebsd.org (Kris Kennaway) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:31:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Kris Kennaway" at Oct 25, 99 01:11:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >From the referenced article (see below): > > Hotmail's engineers could not fix the problem because Hotmail runs on > FreeBSD Unix, according to Star Internet. And Network Associates, which > owns anti-virus software maker McAfee -- has produced a fourth version of > McAfee anti-virus scanner that can detect Melissa-style macro viruses, but > that version does not run on the FreeBSD Unix operating system used by > Hotmail. > > ---- > > I guess the Linux vscan port doesn't do email scanning..does anyone know > of something that does? I'm just curious.. You can de-MIME anything MIME into a seperate file, and then run the scan on it based on it being a file. You would need to do this anyway, since you would need to seperate the queue-commit, scan, and deliver phases of the process. You could do this pretty easily using "deferred" delivery mode in sendmail, and then moving the queue files into a directory to be scanned (there's perl code in the sendmail 8.9.3 distribution for doing this with appropriate locking), and then into a third queue directory after the attachments have been vetted, where you could do a queue run to deliver them. I believe that all the pieces to do this are already in "ports" (i.e. sendmail and metamail). Another alternative is to use the Melissa patch for sendmail that is available from sendmail.com, but this is a header blocking patch that would not stop variants. Since Melissa is a Microsoft Word macro virus, one technique that would work is to delete all MS Word attachments from all email that flows through your server. 8-). Scanning for viruses is a legal nightmare; consider if your users get a virus anyway, after you have supposedly vetted the code. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 25 18:34:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C51D152A5; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:34:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04977; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:34:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA6raaQj; Mon Oct 25 18:34:23 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA23052; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:34:33 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199910260134.SAA23052@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Hotmail security vulnerability (viruses) (fwd) To: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net (jack) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:34:32 +0000 (GMT) Cc: kris@hub.freebsd.org, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "jack" at Oct 25, 99 04:25:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hotmail's engineers could not fix the problem because Hotmail runs on > > FreeBSD Unix, according to Star Internet. And Network Associates, which > > owns anti-virus software maker McAfee -- has produced a fourth version of > > McAfee anti-virus scanner that can detect Melissa-style macro viruses, but > > that version does not run on the FreeBSD Unix operating system used by > > Hotmail. > > IIRC, it is only the front end that runs on FreeBSD. The back > (mail) end is sun HW and SW. Most likely, this is a Sun issue, not a FreeBSD issue. The SMTP virus scanner that McAfee sells is only available for NT at this time. Also, the McAfee software in question is written in Java, and just needs a JVM and glue into the mail delivery path to run; HotMail is a big enough customer that they could get a port, given the amount of money they'd have to flush to get the software, in any case. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 25 18:43:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0895C152A0; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:43:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12457; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991025194033.0452f6b0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:43:29 -0600 To: Terry Lambert , kris@hub.freebsd.org (Kris Kennaway) From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Hotmail security vulnerability (viruses) (fwd) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199910260131.SAA22839@usr06.primenet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry's right, of course. John Hardin has a package that does this, and it DOES run under FreeBSD. So the article's claim that there are no macro virus protection systems for FreeBSD is bogus. Our community network uses Hardin's package, and we've never seen a macro virus get through. See ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/procmail-security.html --Brett At 01:31 AM 10/26/1999 +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > >From the referenced article (see below): > > > > Hotmail's engineers could not fix the problem because Hotmail runs on > > FreeBSD Unix, according to Star Internet. And Network Associates, which > > owns anti-virus software maker McAfee -- has produced a fourth version of > > McAfee anti-virus scanner that can detect Melissa-style macro viruses, but > > that version does not run on the FreeBSD Unix operating system used by > > Hotmail. > > > > ---- > > > > I guess the Linux vscan port doesn't do email scanning..does anyone know > > of something that does? I'm just curious.. > > >You can de-MIME anything MIME into a seperate file, and then run the >scan on it based on it being a file. You would need to do this >anyway, since you would need to seperate the queue-commit, scan, >and deliver phases of the process. > >You could do this pretty easily using "deferred" delivery mode in >sendmail, and then moving the queue files into a directory to be >scanned (there's perl code in the sendmail 8.9.3 distribution for >doing this with appropriate locking), and then into a third queue >directory after the attachments have been vetted, where you could >do a queue run to deliver them. I believe that all the pieces to >do this are already in "ports" (i.e. sendmail and metamail). > > >Another alternative is to use the Melissa patch for sendmail that is >available from sendmail.com, but this is a header blocking patch >that would not stop variants. > >Since Melissa is a Microsoft Word macro virus, one technique that >would work is to delete all MS Word attachments from all email that >flows through your server. 8-). > > >Scanning for viruses is a legal nightmare; consider if your users >get a virus anyway, after you have supposedly vetted the code. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 25 21:16: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB3214C01 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:16:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (jcw@localhost) by s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA71012 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:14:09 GMT (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: s8-37-26.student.washington.edu: jcw owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:14:09 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Cant these people spell? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We got another "not easy install" message today. I do try to help these people. I really wish they would spell and format their messages. Is a paragraph too much to ask? It seems that the people like this that need the most help are the ones I most desire to flush down the /dev/null. Finally, I see why Greg puts out his "How to use" email. And in closing, Grrrrr!!!! Thank You, | http://students.washington.edu/jcwells/ Jason Wells | "The just shall live by faith." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 25 21:50: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mrinet.com (mrinet.com [209.57.168.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F41A14C48 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skillet@nauticom.net) Received: from franops1 ([209.57.168.187]) by mrinet.com (8.8.5/SCO5) with SMTP id XAA28838; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:57:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01ac01bf1f6d$52bbd100$2501000a@franops1> From: "Mike" To: "Jason C. Wells" , "FreeBSD-chat" Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:47:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So... What makes you god ? just because they cant type doesnt not mean they dont need help.... rember one day you guys where a newbie too..... we all were I mean show some niceness geeze.. oh damm did I spell a word wrong time for me to get bitch at too eh... Mike -----Original Message----- From: Jason C. Wells To: FreeBSD-chat Date: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 12:13 AM Subject: Cant these people spell? >We got another "not easy install" message today. I do try to help these >people. I really wish they would spell and format their messages. Is a >paragraph too much to ask? > >It seems that the people like this that need the most help are the ones I >most desire to flush down the /dev/null. > >Finally, I see why Greg puts out his "How to use" email. > >And in closing, Grrrrr!!!! > >Thank You, | http://students.washington.edu/jcwells/ >Jason Wells | "The just shall live by faith." > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 3:40:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA30014D74 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:40:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA69093; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:40:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 26 Oct 1999 12:40:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells"'s message of "Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:14:09 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason C. Wells" writes: > Subject: Cant these people spell? No. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 6: 1:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F4514C48 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 06:01:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (jcw@localhost) by s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA71806 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:59:50 GMT (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: s8-37-26.student.washington.edu: jcw owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:59:50 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26 Oct 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >"Jason C. Wells" writes: >> Subject: Cant these people spell? > >No. Well, I guess you have me there. A near miss might as well be a miss by a mile. The problem is that some folks travel light years to make their questions hard to read. Sorry to rant. I'll go quietly. Thank You, | http://students.washington.edu/jcwells/ Jason Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 9:21: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0414D14F14 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:20:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00976 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:20:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:20:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: slashdot and netscape Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I didn't figure this was worthy of a real email to -questions, but.... There'd been talk recently of Netscape and Slashdot not liking each other. I'd seen this some, but usually when I was trying to submit a story. Now with navigator-4.7 I see it crashing ALL the time. Virtually everytime I try to read a story or see comments it crashes. Heck it crashes just trying to load the front page about 1/10 times. Anyone else seeing this or know why this is happening all the time now? Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 9:29:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (ith1-322.twcny.rr.com [24.24.11.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D4114BCA for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:29:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) Received: from localhost (cjc26@localhost) by tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05552; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:28:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net: cjc26 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:28:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Cliff Crawford X-Sender: cjc26@tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net To: Brett Taylor Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: slashdot and netscape In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I was using 4.5, it would not crash if I viewed a slashdot page/story/ whatever, but if I clicked on a link to go to a different page, then tried to go back to the slashdot page by clicking on the back button, it would consistently crash with a signal 10. Fortunately I don't read slashdot very much =) I haven't tried it under 4.7 yet. On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Brett Taylor wrote: | Hi, | | I didn't figure this was worthy of a real email to -questions, but.... | | There'd been talk recently of Netscape and Slashdot not liking each other. | I'd seen this some, but usually when I was trying to submit a story. Now | with navigator-4.7 I see it crashing ALL the time. Virtually everytime I | try to read a story or see comments it crashes. Heck it crashes just | trying to load the front page about 1/10 times. | | Anyone else seeing this or know why this is happening all the time now? | | Brett | ***************************************************** | Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * | Dept of Chem and Physics * | Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * | Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * | Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * | ***************************************************** | | | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message | -- cliff crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ -><- Shall she hear the lion's roar? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 9:42:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from csmd2.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (csmd2.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De [141.44.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500AE14F45 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesse@mail.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De) Received: from erle.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (jesse@erle [141.44.21.15]) by csmd2.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29373 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:42:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from jesse@localhost) by erle.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id SAA13796; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:41:57 +0200 (MET DST) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: slashdot and netscape References: From: Roland Jesse In-Reply-To: Brett Taylor's message of "Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:20:55 -0400 (EDT)" Date: 26 Oct 1999 18:41:56 +0200 Message-ID: <0vzox63wh7.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Taylor writes: > There'd been talk recently of Netscape and Slashdot not liking each other. How about reading daily.daemonnews.org :) or using KDE's kfm to read slashdot? Roland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 10:25:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402E514D4E for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:25:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01229; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:25:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:24:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Roland Jesse Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: slashdot and netscape In-Reply-To: <0vzox63wh7.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On 26 Oct 1999, Roland Jesse wrote: > Brett Taylor writes: > > > There'd been talk recently of Netscape and Slashdot not liking each > > other. > > How about reading daily.daemonnews.org :) or using KDE's kfm to read > slashdot? Being that I'm one of the Editor in Chiefs of DN (not the daily), I do read DDN. I don't use KDE and installing KDE just to use the KDE file manager to read slashdot is like using a sledgehammer to push a stickpin into a cork board. Lynx still works fine on /., but the problem w/ navigator and /. is, for me anyway, recent. Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 10:32:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489D214D4E for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:32:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19608; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991026112746.00c706a0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:31:35 -0600 To: Brett Taylor , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: slashdot and netscape In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Slashdot plays fast and loose with HTML in an attempt to do visual effects that were not contemplated in the language design. I don't get crashes when I view it under Netscape, but rendering of the default presentation *is* exceedingly slow due the complexity of the pages. I recommend registering and setting your options so that you see just plain text instead of the visual effects. Rendering time is shortened by about 10X, and you don't have to look at all the silly "Tux the Penguin" icons. --Brett At 12:20 PM 10/26/1999 -0400, Brett Taylor wrote: >Hi, > >I didn't figure this was worthy of a real email to -questions, but.... > >There'd been talk recently of Netscape and Slashdot not liking each other. >I'd seen this some, but usually when I was trying to submit a story. Now >with navigator-4.7 I see it crashing ALL the time. Virtually everytime I >try to read a story or see comments it crashes. Heck it crashes just >trying to load the front page about 1/10 times. > >Anyone else seeing this or know why this is happening all the time now? > >Brett >***************************************************** >Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * >Dept of Chem and Physics * >Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * >Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * >Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * >***************************************************** > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 10:35: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FF014F50 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todd@lmi.net) Received: from drtboi.lanminds.com (drtboi.lmi.net [208.25.91.219]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10766; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: todd@lmi.net Organization: LMI.net From: Todd Meister To: Brett Taylor Subject: Re: slashdot and netscape Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Being that I'm one of the Editor in Chiefs of DN (not the daily), I do > read DDN. I don't use KDE and installing KDE just to use the KDE file > manager to read slashdot is like using a sledgehammer to push a stickpin > into a cork board. > > Lynx still works fine on /., but the problem w/ navigator and /. is, for > me anyway, recent. I've noticed this since upgrading to Communicator 4.6. I thought 4.7 had fixed the problem for a while, but it started up again. It seems like it coincided with the upgrade to 3.3, as well, though I can't be sure, and I don't have the time, nor do I care enough, to really troubleshoot the problem. I changed my homepage from slashdot to Daily Daemonnews about two weeks ago. Not quite as timely as slashdot, but you don't get the Anonymous Coward and religious zealot overload nearly as badly. And I like the default colors better. -drt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 12:38: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from limbo.cdrom.com (limbo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2838015370 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:38:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@limbo.cdrom.com) Received: (from jim@localhost) by limbo.cdrom.com (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) id d9QJZXb32978 for chat@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:35:33 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSDCon Pics Message-ID: <19991026123533.A32949@limbo.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@cdrom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, If anyone knows of people with pics from the conference on the web, please have them email me. I'm attempting to put a list together for the freebsdcon.org site. Here's what I have so far.. http://www.freebsd.org/~billf/freebsdcon/ http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/freebsdcon-1999/ http://www2.jorsm.com/freebsdcon99/ Any others floating around that I'm missing would be appreciated. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@cdrom.com - - phone: 925.691.2800 x3814 - fax: 925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - freebsdzine - http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 12:38: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from limbo.cdrom.com (limbo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97A715362 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:38:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@limbo.cdrom.com) Received: (from jim@localhost) by limbo.cdrom.com (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) id d9QJZXb32978 for chat@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:35:33 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSDCon Pics Message-ID: <19991026123533.A32949@limbo.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@cdrom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, If anyone knows of people with pics from the conference on the web, please have them email me. I'm attempting to put a list together for the freebsdcon.org site. Here's what I have so far.. http://www.freebsd.org/~billf/freebsdcon/ http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/freebsdcon-1999/ http://www2.jorsm.com/freebsdcon99/ Any others floating around that I'm missing would be appreciated. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@cdrom.com - - phone: 925.691.2800 x3814 - fax: 925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - freebsdzine - http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 15:55:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from azazel.zer0.org (azazel.zer0.org [209.133.53.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E2514CE1 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:55:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@azazel.zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by azazel.zer0.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA31619; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:54:38 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Mike Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? Message-ID: <19991026155438.A31234@azazel.zer0.org> References: <01ac01bf1f6d$52bbd100$2501000a@franops1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <01ac01bf1f6d$52bbd100$2501000a@franops1> Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 12:47:46AM -0400, Mike wrote: > So... What makes you god ? just because they cant type doesnt not mean they > dont need help.... rember one day you guys where a newbie too..... we all > were I mean show some niceness geeze.. oh damm did I spell a word wrong time > for me to get bitch at too eh... ITYM... So, what makes you God? Just because they can't type doesn't mean they don't need help. Remember, one day you guys were newbies too. We all were, so show some niceness. Oh damn, did I spell a word wrong? Time for me to get bitched at too... Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter "I think not," said Descartes... mailto:gsutter@pobox.com and promptly disappeared. http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 17:21:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D21E14C92 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02328; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:50:48 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:50:48 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Brett Taylor Subject: Re: slashdot and netscape Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Roland Jesse Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26-Oct-99 Brett Taylor wrote: > > How about reading daily.daemonnews.org :) or using KDE's kfm to read > > slashdot? > Being that I'm one of the Editor in Chiefs of DN (not the daily), I do > read DDN. I don't use KDE and installing KDE just to use the KDE file > manager to read slashdot is like using a sledgehammer to push a stickpin > into a cork board. Oh I don't know.. KDE probably isn't much larger than all of communicator.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 26 21: 3:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.psn.net (neptune.psn.net [207.211.58.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F6F14E6D for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:03:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrews@technologist.com) Received: from 5042-243.008.popsite.net ([209.224.140.243] helo=argon) by neptune.psn.net with smtp (PSN Internet Service 2.12 #3) id 11gKJH-0005VV-00; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:03:39 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991027000332.007fb6d0@mail.psn.net> X-Sender: andrews@mail.psn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:03:32 -0400 To: jim@cdrom.com From: andrews@technologist.com Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon Pics Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19991026123533.A32949@limbo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:35 PM 10/26/99 -0700, you wrote: > http://www2.jorsm.com/freebsdcon99/ The author of the pictures on this mirror may want a link to his site, as well..: http://194.184.65.4/freebsdcon/. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 0: 9: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [209.249.56.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD0E14F66 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA13602 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:08:55 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: October Berkeley BAFUG meeting Message-ID: <19991027000855.A13590@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -- Berkeley BAFUG -- (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) October 1999 Meeting The Berkeley chapter of the Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group (BAFUG) will be holding its monthly meeting on Thursday, October 28th. This month's meeting will be held at The Transbay / UC Computers at 2569 Telegraph Ave. in Berkeley. The meeting will start at 7:30 pm. Our Agenda will be : Agenda : ==> There is no scheduled speaker. This will be a general get together. ==> Josef Grosch will talk about BAFUGs plans for the upcoming Install-A-Thon to be held on November 13th at The Robert Austin Computer Show at the Cow Palace in Daly City. ==> Pizza and Soda will be ordered and the hat will be passed `round ==> Of course, we will have the usually kvetchen about sundry topics Location: This months meeting will be held at UC Computers / Transbay in Berkeley. UC Computers is located at 2569 Telegraph Ave. between Parker & Baker Streets. There is limited parking on the street. Their phone number is (510) 649-6087. Time: The meeting starts at 7:30ish with pizza showing up around 7:15ish. We generally get kicked out around 11:00 pm. Directions: By AC Transit bus: By AC Transit bus: Routes 40 El Cerrito - Bayfair, 64 Downtown Berkeley - Merritt College, 51 Berkeley - Oakland - Alameda, 52 U.C. Village - U.C. Campus, 7 Del Norte BART - Rockridge BART, and "U" San Francisco - Berkeley stop nearby. By BART: From the downtown Berkeley station, walk uphill (east) one block on Allston Way to Oxford Street at the edge of the UC campus, turning right (south) two blocks to turn left (east) onto Bancroft Way. Walk three blocks uphill to turn right (south) onto Telegraph Avenue. Transbay/UC Computers is 5 1/2 short blocks ahead, at 2569 Telegraph. By Car: By car: From I-80, exit eastbound on University Avenue, and proceed two miles to the end, turning right (south) on Oxford Street. Proceed 11 blocks along Oxford (which becomes Fulton Street) to turn left (east) on Parker Street. Go three blocks to Telegraph, and park where you can. Transbay/UC Computers is at 2569 Telegraph. WWW info: More info can be found at the following URLs http://www.transbay.net http://www.bafug.org Contact: Please contact either Nicole Harrington , or Josef Grosch on or before October 28th so we can have a basic idea of how much pizza, soda, and coffee we will need. -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.3 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 6: 8:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C08B153C5 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 06:08:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 160E44328; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F7CC9D20; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:08:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Kris Kennaway Cc: David Schwartz , jbryant@tfs.net, chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: trek73 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote: :Amusingly, Paramount are now claiming trademark on the letter 'Q'. Compaq's gonna be pissed. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 6: 8:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from matrix.42.org (matrix.42.org [194.246.250.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A99153DE for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 06:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sec@42.org) Received: (from sec@localhost) by matrix.42.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA25311 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org (sender ); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:08:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:08:20 +0200 From: Stefan `Sec` Zehl To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD-con, and now ? Message-ID: <19991027150820.B24088@matrix.42.org> X-Current-Backlog: 336 messages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i I-love-doing-this: really Accept-Languages: de, en X-URL: http://sec.42.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm very sad that I couldn't afford to come to the FreeBSD-Con. Now there are all these pictures in the web, which give a nice impression, but are very limited. Did anyone do a short writeup on what happened there? That would be very nice for me and all the others who had to stay home. On a related note, are the Slides from Jordans keynote available somewhere ? The few I saw from the photos were very nice :-) CU, Sec -- "The documentation is in Japanese. Good luck." Rich $alz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 6:15:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD4E14D7E for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 06:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27A3C4328; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A96D9D20; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:15:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Mike Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? In-Reply-To: <01ac01bf1f6d$52bbd100$2501000a@franops1> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Mike wrote: :So... What makes you god ? just because they cant type doesnt not mean they :dont need help.... rember one day you guys where a newbie too..... we all :were I mean show some niceness geeze.. oh damm did I spell a word wrong time :for me to get bitch at too eh... Let's see, elipses too long and to short, misspelled remember, mean to newbies, 'Why should I have to use proper grammar and sentence structure' question. If this were usenet, you'd already be getting a bonehead reply. Since this is a technical forum I'll just skip it. The ability to type a proper sentence has nothing to do with being new to computers. If you can't write a letter effectively, you don't need to be using a computer, you need to be in school learning how to read and write. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 7:53:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [209.249.56.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE22D153E3 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:53:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id HAA15170 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:53:16 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Head count for October Berkeley BAFUG meeting Message-ID: <19991027075316.A15156@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heads up! I need a head count of people who are planning on attending Thursdays meeting. This is so I'll have some idea how much pizza, soda, and coffee to get. If you could respond by Thursday Noon it would be very helpful. Our normally scheduled hacking will now continue. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.3 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 7:56:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gvr.gvr.org (gvr.gvr.org [194.151.74.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A859153E3 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:56:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from guido@gvr.org) Received: by gvr.gvr.org (Postfix, from userid 657) id 112CBA84A; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:56:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:56:16 +0200 From: Guido van Rooij To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: pictures Message-ID: <19991027165616.A60798@gvr.gvr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got some pictures ready at: http://www.iae.nl/users/guido/gif/freebsdcon99/index.html It even has Jordan with a certain animal. -Guido To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 9: 7: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151BE15061 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (root@rac10.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.150]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21586; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00683; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00669; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:06:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac10.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:06:43 -0400 (EDT) From: James Howard To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, fug-washdc@sytex.net Subject: FreeBSD Jobs in the Washington, DC Area Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (I know this should go to -jobs, but nobody reads -jobs. :) I am looking for a paid internship or regular employment in the Washington, DC area. I am a mathematics major at the University of Maryland. I live in Ohio but would like to remain in the area next summer, and if I can work with FreeBSD, I would like to. I would also be willing to start part-time during Spring semester. Does anyone know of any openings or positions in the DC area? Jamie -- Jamie Howard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 9:57: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAD915055 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org) Received: from pf7s08a01.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.136.248] helo=cream.org) by sand2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11gWNV-0001A1-00; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:56:50 +0100 Content-Length: 995 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01ac01bf1f6d$52bbd100$2501000a@franops1> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:56:14 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: Mike Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? Cc: FreeBSD-chat , Cc: FreeBSD-chat , "Jason C. Wells" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26-Oct-99 Mike wrote: > So... What makes you god ? just because they cant type doesnt not mean they > dont need help.... rember one day you guys where a newbie too..... we all > were I mean show some niceness geeze.. oh damm did I spell a word wrong time > for me to get bitch at too eh... It's not a question of anyone playing god, simply that _everyone_ should make the effort to properly format and errorcheck their e-mails. When you get 100s of email each day (and those on -questions and/or -current will) a badly formatted or spelt message could simply get ignored. Like it or not, that's a fact. A message that's difficult to read only introduces problems in communication, which when you're asking for help, doesn't help at all. No one's playing god. It's just a plea (that's been said many times before) for some better thought out messages. --- Andrew Boothman FreeBSD UK User Group http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/~andrew/ http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 10: 9:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B7A14A15 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:09:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for chat@freebsd.org id 11gWZy-0002RR-00; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:09:42 +0100 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA90230 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:09:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:09:42 +0100 (BST) From: J McKitrick To: freebsd-chat Subject: testing... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org testing... -jm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 10:18:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F88B14E01 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for chat@freebsd.org id 11gWiB-00045e-00; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:18:11 +0100 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA90328 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:18:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:18:10 +0100 (BST) From: J McKitrick To: freebsd-chat Subject: ok, let's get things interesting here... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, rather than cross posting, i figure i'll go here first and then migrate if necessary ;-) Has anyone else out there been happy with a FBSD laptop workstation with dialup internet connection? I'm running netscape, telnet, kicq, and other net apps, and since i don't have any programming classes, that's about it. I've been looking for a stable editor that reads/writes Word docs but i haven't found one i'm happy with. So far, i feel like i'm only using FBSD like an iMac, to surf the web. But i must add i'm learning a lot about the OS, and compiling the kernel is a blast (sick, aren't i?) -jm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 10:39:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49A31501A for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:39:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todd@lmi.net) Received: from drtboi.lanminds.com (drtboi.lmi.net [208.25.91.219]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25324; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: todd@lmi.net Organization: LMI.net From: Todd Meister To: J McKitrick Subject: RE: ok, let's get things interesting here... Cc: freebsd-chat Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've been looking for a stable editor that reads/writes Word docs but i > haven't found one i'm happy with. So far, i feel like i'm only using FBSD > like an iMac, to surf the web. But i must add i'm learning a lot about > the OS, and compiling the kernel is a blast (sick, aren't i?) What editors have you tried? I installed Abiword yesterday, and it works quite nicely, and formats saved files much more prettily than Word. I'm not sure if you can save files in .doc form, though. I haven't checked in particularly ludicrous Word creations yet, but it opens simple .doc files well enough, and can supposedly display .rtf, as well. I believe you can use vi key-bindings in Abiword, as well, but I haven't played with it enough yet to know how well that works. Here's the homepage: http://www.abisource.com/ -Todd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 10:40:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4402F1501A for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11gX3h-0007Qc-00; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:40:25 +0100 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA90500; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:40:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:40:25 +0100 (BST) From: J McKitrick To: Todd Meister Cc: freebsd-chat Subject: RE: ok, let's get things interesting here... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, has it been stable for you? I can't afford to lose any important data. Also, is it missing any really important features? -jm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 11:22:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CB614D4F for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todd@lmi.net) Received: from drtboi.lanminds.com (drtboi.lmi.net [208.25.91.219]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00494; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: todd@lmi.net Organization: LMI.net From: Todd Meister To: J McKitrick Subject: RE: ok, let's get things interesting here... Cc: freebsd-chat Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27-Oct-99 J McKitrick wrote: > Well, has it been stable for you? I can't afford to lose any important > data. Also, is it missing any really important features? I haven't used it much, honestly, and I really only installed it to view other people's documents. I'm so used to creating all documents as plain text in vi that I'm not even sure what features are important. -Todd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 12:56:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCFE15074 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11773; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:43:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02059; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:55:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:55:38 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: jim@cdrom.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon Pics Message-ID: <19991027075538.A1690@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19991026123533.A32949@limbo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19991026123533.A32949@limbo.cdrom.com>; from Jim Mock on Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 12:35:33PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 12:35:33PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > http://www.freebsd.org/~billf/freebsdcon/ > http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/freebsdcon-1999/ > http://www2.jorsm.com/freebsdcon99/ http://www.freebsd.org/~jdp/freebsdcon1999/ N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 13:54: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184B8151A6 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:53:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.45]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAAC49; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:53:22 -0400 Message-ID: <38175A9C.6E4F1F92@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:03:40 -0500 From: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" Reply-To: giffunip@asme.org Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: J McKitrick Cc: freebsd-chat Subject: Re: ok, let's get things interesting here... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FWIW, I am crossing fingers on StarOffice. I have their free CD with me, and it will give me the opportunity to blow away one Windows partition on an old box, but a native FreeBSD port would be nice. cheers, Pedro. Todd Meister wrote: > > On 27-Oct-99 J McKitrick wrote: > > Well, has it been stable for you? I can't afford to lose any important > > data. Also, is it missing any really important features? > > I haven't used it much, honestly, and I really only installed it to view other > people's documents. I'm so used to creating all documents as plain text in vi > that I'm not even sure what features are important. > > -Todd > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 14:52:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896B814E0E for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:52:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.6.12) id OAA02564; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19991027145316.15105@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:53:16 -0400 From: Greg Lehey To: Andrew Boothman , Mike Cc: FreeBSD-chat , "Jason C. Wells" Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? References: <01ac01bf1f6d$52bbd100$2501000a@franops1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Boothman on Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 05:56:14PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 27 October 1999 at 17:56:14 +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: > > On 26-Oct-99 Mike wrote: >> So... What makes you god ? just because they cant type doesnt not mean they >> dont need help.... rember one day you guys where a newbie too..... we all >> were I mean show some niceness geeze.. oh damm did I spell a word wrong time >> for me to get bitch at too eh... > > It's not a question of anyone playing god, simply that _everyone_ should make > the effort to properly format and errorcheck their e-mails. There's an additional issue here: there seems to be a distinct correlation between people who can't (or won't) spell or format their messages correctly, and people who have trouble installing. Should this be a surprise? > When you get 100s of email each day (and those on -questions and/or > -current will) a badly formatted or spelt message could simply get > ignored. Like it or not, that's a fact. Definitely. I usually delete them without trying to read them. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 17:45: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4F814C3D for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19434; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:13:45 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:13:45 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Jamie Bowden Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? Cc: FreeBSD-chat Cc: FreeBSD-chat , "Jason C. Wells" , Mike Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27-Oct-99 Jamie Bowden wrote: > The ability to type a proper sentence has nothing to do with being new to > computers. If you can't write a letter effectively, you don't need to be > using a computer, you need to be in school learning how to read and write. Oh please.. His English is quite understandable which is the point.. Being picky about grammatical structure and spelling is pretty lame. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 18: 0:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C90014C3D for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kfurge@worldnet.att.net) Received: from kfurge.dyn.ez-ip.net ([12.75.196.204]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19991028005940.HVSM12296@kfurge.dyn.ez-ip.net>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:59:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kfurge.dyn.ez-ip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12620; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:59:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kfurge@worldnet.att.net) From: kfurge@worldnet.att.net Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:59:29 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: kfurge@kcfhome.my.domain To: J McKitrick Cc: freebsd-chat Subject: Re: ok, let's get things interesting here... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, J McKitrick wrote: > Has anyone else out there been happy with a FBSD laptop workstation with > dialup internet connection? Sure. My favorite machine is my laptop running FreeBSD. With PAO, FreeBSD supports nearly every feature my laptop has to offer. Suspend/resume, pcmcia ethernet/56k modem, integrated mouse (fingerpad), battery stats, etc... > I've been looking for a stable editor that reads/writes Word docs but i > haven't found one i'm happy with. IMHO, the phrases "Word docs" and "stable editor" are mutually exclusive. Full compatibility with word requires lots of bloat. Of the ones I've tried, I'd have to recommend StarOffice. Better have lots of ram in that laptop! > So far, i feel like i'm only using FBSD like an iMac, to surf the web. You're not alone! - K.C. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 18:42:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA7C14C8F for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:42:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-14-241.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.14.241]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA26327; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:42:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA69639; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:13:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199910280113.UAA69639@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: J McKitrick Cc: freebsd-chat From: David Kelly Subject: Re: ok, let's get things interesting here... In-reply-to: Message from J McKitrick of "Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:18:10 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:13:46 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org J McKitrick writes: > > I've been looking for a stable editor that reads/writes Word docs but i > haven't found one i'm happy with. So far, i feel like i'm only using FBSD > like an iMac, to surf the web. But i must add i'm learning a lot about > the OS, and compiling the kernel is a blast (sick, aren't i?) Isn't Applixware due to ship in November, native for FreeBSD? -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 21:12:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9A414C85 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-2.enteract.com [207.229.143.41]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA87960; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:12:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:12:06 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: Jamie Bowden , FreeBSD-chat , FreeBSD-chat , "Jason C. Wells" , Mike Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 27-Oct-99 Jamie Bowden wrote: > > The ability to type a proper sentence has nothing to do with being new to > > computers. If you can't write a letter effectively, you don't need to be > > using a computer, you need to be in school learning how to read and write. > > Oh please.. > His English is quite understandable which is the point.. Being picky about > grammatical structure and spelling is pretty lame. I utterly disagree. I saw the -questions article that started this thread, and thought that the author was clearly a semi-literate luser. He complained that _The Complete FreeBSD_ was unreadable! I've lent my copy to several people, including one I wouldn't leave alone in a room with a Macintosh. Not one of them had any problems following the manual. One of them did have problems getting FreeBSD installed because one of his PCI slots didn't work, but I can hardly blame him for that. I would have to try very hard to be as unclear as the -questions poster was. Removing white space and replacing every punctuation mark with "..." would get me nowhere near there. I don't have a problem with people who can't spell; I am no bee winner myself. People -- who appear to be native english speakers -- who can't write sentences which have subjects that agree with their verbs, on the other hand, are much more annoying. Look at it this way: If you were going to someone a question -- someone who is likely quite busy, and who could likely get people to pay him or her to answer the same sort of question -- wouldn't you go a little bit out of your way make yourself as clear as you could? The things that the regulars in -questions put up with really impress me. They have much more patience than I. That, or they are much enhanced versions of jordan.pl. David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 21:15:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99B614FEC for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (jcw@localhost) by s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA76041 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:13:59 GMT (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: s8-37-26.student.washington.edu: jcw owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:13:59 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: jordal.pl Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is jordan.pl? Is at an email bot? Thank You, | http://students.washington.edu/jcwells/ Jason Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 21:19: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3ED514D4D for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-2.enteract.com [207.229.143.41]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA88552; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:19:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:19:00 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: jordal.pl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Jason C. Wells wrote: > What is jordan.pl? Is at an email bot? We'd tell you, but we have to kill you first. David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 21:44:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C1714C8F for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.105.241] (helo=propro) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11ghQL-0004ZG-00; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 04:44:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:44:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Marc Schneiders To: Todd Meister Cc: J McKitrick , freebsd-chat Subject: RE: ok, let's get things interesting here... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Todd Meister wrote: > On 27-Oct-99 J McKitrick wrote: > > Well, has it been stable for you? I can't afford to lose any important > > data. Also, is it missing any really important features? > > I haven't used it much, honestly, and I really only installed it to view other > people's documents. I'm so used to creating all documents as plain text in vi > that I'm not even sure what features are important. > AbiWord? Nearly all features are in the pull down menus, but ... when you exercize your mouse on them you are invited to implement them yourself ... :-) Only very basic features are there at the moment. It does not seem to be an alternative for Word. AFAIK it can not export to .doc format. That's what I need, as I partly make a living by writing for a magazine that only accepts articles in .doc. (They let me do one on FreeBSD though recently). But why not *try* AbiWord? It is only a few MB's and easy to install. No libs etc. And it looks like Word. You can find out if it is for you in an hour. Marc Marc Schneiders || In re tam justa || nulla est deliberatio! marc@venster.nl || marc@oldserver.demon.nl || Acta SS. MM. Scillitanorum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 27 23:44:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1514814CB3 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from PARANOR (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA03069 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:49:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991028024438.010a4e38@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:44:38 -0700 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Tom Embt Subject: Re: jordal.pl In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:19 10/27/1999 -0500, you wrote: >On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Jason C. Wells wrote: > >> What is jordan.pl? Is at an email bot? > >We'd tell you, but we have to kill you first. > Kill him _first_? Wow I didn't realize it was that top-secret. Tom Embt tom@embt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 5:25:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fnmail.com (rdutlp7a10.impsat.net.ar [200.32.112.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0389114C2E for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 05:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greyheart@fnmail.com) Received: (from tetsuo@localhost) by time.bomb.argh (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00422; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:10:25 -0300 (ART) (envelope-from greyheart@fnmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: time.bomb.argh: tetsuo set sender to greyheart@fnmail.com using -f Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:10:25 -0300 From: Pablo Baena To: David Scheidt Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? Message-ID: <19991028091024.A318@time.bomb.argh> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE X-Editor: Zile 1.0a5 - An Emacs clone! Give it a try! Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 11:12:06PM -0500, David Scheidt wrote: > I utterly disagree. I saw the -questions article that started this thread, > and thought that the author was clearly a semi-literate luser. He > complained that _The Complete FreeBSD_ was unreadable! I've lent my copy to > several people, including one I wouldn't leave alone in a room with a > Macintosh. Not one of them had any problems following the manual. One of > them did have problems getting FreeBSD installed because one of his PCI > slots didn't work, but I can hardly blame him for that. I might think he didn't bother to read the book at all. These people just don't have patience, and are used to Windoze. In Windoze, you can go and have a program running without any effort, just looking at the help files once a while, and that's all. Then you get used to read the manuals only when you have troubles. Unix isn't like that at all. You got to read the manual _before_ you try anything else, but it seems people just don't get it. A year and a half ago I found a copy of Slackware that a friend of mine couldn't install for a year or so. I took it, readed the README, and got it installed in one afternoon, without knowing a very thing of Unix. I have another friend, who seems just unable to read! What I do with these people? I just go: "READ THE MANUALS". I can't help them (I don't want to), because if I did it, why can't they? Am I special, I don't think so. I just got used to reading, and that's what they must do. That's why I hate those installation festivals that linuxers make, the people who actually go there to make other people install the software for them, don't need Unix! They will wipe out the entire disk just after getting home, and then we are wasting our efforts on them! No, not anymore. They don't deserve any help. If they're so in love with Windoze, ok, let them keep it, we don't need them after all! Do we? I'm not the kind of guy that goes out kicking Windoze boxes, when I see one, I just think: "Hey, I have a much more powerful box at home waiting for me, let this s**t burn the hard disk and go away". Pablo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 6:57:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (mailstop.cstone.net [205.197.102.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2057A14D17 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:57:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (snowcrash.cstone.net [209.145.66.12]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:55:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3818569A.99E8DF52@cstone.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:58:50 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey Organization: Cornerstone Networks, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kelly Cc: J McKitrick , freebsd-chat Subject: Re: ok, let's get things interesting here... References: <199910280113.UAA69639@nospam.hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Kelly wrote: > Isn't Applixware due to ship in November, native for FreeBSD? According to their reps at FreeBSDCon, it should ship within 30 days of last week. :) The demos and little bit I got to use of it at the con were Pretty Darn Cool, so I can't wait until my office gets its copy of it. SeanMike -- Sean Michael Whipkey - highway@cstone.net - www.cstone.net Engineering Department, Cornerstone Networks, Inc. 804.817.7000 - Report spam with headers to: spam-report@cstone.net "For a kingdom of ultimate evil, it was a little disappointing." - L5R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 10:31:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991D814C34 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:31:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14187 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:31:08 -0600 To: chat@freeBSD.org From: Brett Glass Subject: FreeBSDCon proceedings and notes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org During the conference, many of the speakers said that they'd be posting lecture notes on the FreeBSDCon.org site. But if proceedings are there, they're well hidden; I can't find links to them anywhere on that site. Are there plans to post them (or links to them, if they're on the authors' sites)? --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 11:59:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A2114F17 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:59:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19465; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: kfurge@worldnet.att.net Cc: J McKitrick , freebsd-chat Subject: Re: ok, let's get things interesting here... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yah I love my freebsd laptop, I mean its only a p90, 24M of RAM, but it gets much more use than just web surfing, and its a hell of alot faster than the same laptop that my friend has with windows =) -Trish ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 kfurge@worldnet.att.net wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, J McKitrick wrote: > > > Has anyone else out there been happy with a FBSD laptop workstation with > > dialup internet connection? > > Sure. My favorite machine is my laptop running FreeBSD. With PAO, > FreeBSD supports nearly every feature my laptop has to offer. > Suspend/resume, pcmcia ethernet/56k modem, integrated mouse (fingerpad), > battery stats, etc... > > > I've been looking for a stable editor that reads/writes Word docs but i > > haven't found one i'm happy with. > > IMHO, the phrases "Word docs" and "stable editor" are mutually exclusive. > Full compatibility with word requires lots of bloat. Of the ones I've > tried, I'd have to recommend StarOffice. Better have lots of ram in that > laptop! > > > So far, i feel like i'm only using FBSD like an iMac, to surf the web. > > You're not alone! > > - K.C. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 12: 1:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3641C1551C for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19508; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:01:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Gianmarco Giovannelli Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pics of FreeBSD con In-Reply-To: <380D472B.F71AFC19@giovannelli.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org cool, I wish I could have been there, work has gotten hectic and I was on a cross country trip in a car which ate up most of my cash reserve :/ thanks for the pics though =) -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: > I have put a bunch of pictures of the Con online... > > The URL is: > http://194.184.65.4/freebsdcon/ > > They are all 1024x768x24 and are rather large ... > On "Tuesday" there is more and pictures of most of people ... > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 12: 2:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4A3152AC for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11guoL-0004Id-00; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:02:09 +0100 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA99749; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:02:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:02:09 +0100 (BST) From: J McKitrick To: Pat Lynch Cc: kfurge@worldnet.att.net, freebsd-chat Subject: Re: ok, let's get things interesting here... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Pat Lynch wrote: >yah I love my freebsd laptop, I mean its only a p90, 24M of RAM, but it >gets much more use than just web surfing, and its a hell of alot faster Oh yeah? What else do you use it for? >than the same laptop that my friend has with windows =) > >-Trish > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net > lynch@bsdunix.net >Systems Administrator Rush Networking >___________________________________________________________________________ > >On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 kfurge@worldnet.att.net wrote: > >> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, J McKitrick wrote: >> >> > Has anyone else out there been happy with a FBSD laptop workstation with >> > dialup internet connection? >> >> Sure. My favorite machine is my laptop running FreeBSD. With PAO, >> FreeBSD supports nearly every feature my laptop has to offer. >> Suspend/resume, pcmcia ethernet/56k modem, integrated mouse (fingerpad), >> battery stats, etc... >> >> > I've been looking for a stable editor that reads/writes Word docs but i >> > haven't found one i'm happy with. >> >> IMHO, the phrases "Word docs" and "stable editor" are mutually exclusive. >> Full compatibility with word requires lots of bloat. Of the ones I've >> tried, I'd have to recommend StarOffice. Better have lots of ram in that >> laptop! >> >> > So far, i feel like i'm only using FBSD like an iMac, to surf the web. >> >> You're not alone! >> >> - K.C. >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message >> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 12: 8:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E0D152B2 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:08:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19567; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:07:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: J McKitrick Cc: kfurge@worldnet.att.net, freebsd-chat Subject: Re: ok, let's get things interesting here... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org oops I signed this the wrong way, but folks who know me well will know why *blush* anyway.... I've been using my laptop from anything from getting the pictures off my digital camera, to a remote terminal, to a console for routers and sun boxes, to irc, to some work with gimp, the *only* thing I can't do is play mp3's (as Mike Smith will remember when we screwed with rtprio on my machine to get mp3's playing ok) its pretty much a remote workstation for me, although I'd prefer something faster so I can do *everything* I still love it. -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, J McKitrick wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Pat Lynch wrote: > > >yah I love my freebsd laptop, I mean its only a p90, 24M of RAM, but it > >gets much more use than just web surfing, and its a hell of alot faster > > Oh yeah? What else do you use it for? > > >than the same laptop that my friend has with windows =) > > > >-Trish > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net > > lynch@bsdunix.net > >Systems Administrator Rush Networking > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > >On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 kfurge@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, J McKitrick wrote: > >> > >> > Has anyone else out there been happy with a FBSD laptop workstation with > >> > dialup internet connection? > >> > >> Sure. My favorite machine is my laptop running FreeBSD. With PAO, > >> FreeBSD supports nearly every feature my laptop has to offer. > >> Suspend/resume, pcmcia ethernet/56k modem, integrated mouse (fingerpad), > >> battery stats, etc... > >> > >> > I've been looking for a stable editor that reads/writes Word docs but i > >> > haven't found one i'm happy with. > >> > >> IMHO, the phrases "Word docs" and "stable editor" are mutually exclusive. > >> Full compatibility with word requires lots of bloat. Of the ones I've > >> tried, I'd have to recommend StarOffice. Better have lots of ram in that > >> laptop! > >> > >> > So far, i feel like i'm only using FBSD like an iMac, to surf the web. > >> > >> You're not alone! > >> > >> - K.C. > >> > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 12: 9:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [209.249.56.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55A8152B2 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA20652 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:09:09 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Head count for October Berkeley BAFUG meeting Message-ID: <19991028120909.A20634@mooseriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heads up! I need a head count of people who are planning on attending Thursdays meeting. This is so I'll have some idea how much pizza, soda, and coffee to get. If you could respond by Thursday, 5PM it would be very helpful. Our normally scheduled hacking will now continue. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.3 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 12:13:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E602D152B2 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:13:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19612; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Josef Grosch Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Head count for October Berkeley BAFUG meeting In-Reply-To: <19991028120909.A20634@mooseriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While I would really love to Joe, I think the trip from Hoboken would be a little much...damn, which reminds me, I owe you bagels! -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Josef Grosch wrote: > > Heads up! > > > I need a head count of people who are planning on attending Thursdays > meeting. This is so I'll have some idea how much pizza, soda, and coffee to > get. If you could respond by Thursday, 5PM it would be very helpful. > > Our normally scheduled hacking will now continue. > > > > Josef > > -- > Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.3 > jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 12:49:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id E257014C46; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: brett@lariat.org Cc: chat@freeBSD.org In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> (message from Brett Glass on Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:31:08 -0600) Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon proceedings and notes Message-Id: <19991028194927.E257014C46@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Mock mentioned in IRC that the web site will have the proceedings available next week, that many mean the end of next week. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 14:29:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net [206.81.192.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85FEC14C18 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:29:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kzentner@u.washington.edu) Received: (qmail 28562 invoked by alias); 28 Oct 1999 21:29:19 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 28541 invoked by uid 0); 28 Oct 1999 21:29:18 -0000 Received: from sdslppp8.sttl.uswest.net (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (63.224.47.8) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Oct 1999 21:29:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:29:19 -0700 (PDT) From: kristopher X-Sender: darxpryte@gabrielle.washington.edu To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, freebsd-chat-digest wrote: >:So... What makes you god ? just because they cant type doesnt not mean they >:dont need help.... rember one day you guys where a newbie too..... we all >:were I mean show some niceness geeze.. oh damm did I spell a word wrong time >:for me to get bitch at too eh... > >Let's see, elipses too long and to short, misspelled remember, mean to >newbies, 'Why should I have to use proper grammar and sentence structure' >question. If this were usenet, you'd already be getting a bonehead reply. > Since this is a technical forum I'll just skip it. > >The ability to type a proper sentence has nothing to do with being new to >computers. If you can't write a letter effectively, you don't need to be >using a computer, you need to be in school learning how to read and write. > > Jamie Bowden Ummm...I think this was meant as a joke, and even if it wasn't you didn't do a very good job in correcting him (yes you even spelled ellipses wrong). There were far more spelling errors than that. Like most people who are devout followers of prescriptive grammar you need to lighten up. A thread like this could easily lead to a holy war between proper English vs. American English vs. King's English. Posts on the 'net aren't meant to be critiqued on some "standard". They are meant to be read for content. Keep in mind you're being awfully harsh to our ESL friends out there. There is no universally accepted standard of prescriptive written American English (I don't care what Miss Manners says). ========================================================================== Kristopher Zentner | "Would you tell me, please, which Aspiring Linguist | way I ought to go from here?" FreeBSD Advocate | "That depends a great deal on kzentner@u.washington.edu | where you want to go." said the Cat ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 15: 0:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E9015193 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA94695; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:23:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:23:22 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon proceedings and notes Message-ID: <19991028212322.A94323@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost>; from Brett Glass on Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 11:31:08AM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 11:31:08AM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > During the conference, many of the speakers said that they'd be posting > lecture notes on the FreeBSDCon.org site. But if proceedings are there, > they're well hidden; I can't find links to them anywhere on that site. Are > there plans to post them (or links to them, if they're on the authors' sites)? Jim Mock sent out a message a couple of days ago to all the speakers asking for them, so that they can go on the site. FWIW, mine are at http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/freebsdcon-1999/fdp/. Powerpoint format only at the moment I'm afraid. N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 15: 4:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E31714C49 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17617; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991028154156.047263d0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:42:38 -0600 To: todd@lmi.net, J McKitrick From: Brett Glass Subject: RE: ok, let's get things interesting here... Cc: freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've considered using AbiWord, but it's GPLed. (Not trying to start a flame war here; just pointing it out.) --Brett At 10:35 AM 10/27/1999 -0700, Todd Meister wrote: > > I've been looking for a stable editor that reads/writes Word docs but i > > haven't found one i'm happy with. So far, i feel like i'm only using FBSD > > like an iMac, to surf the web. But i must add i'm learning a lot about > > the OS, and compiling the kernel is a blast (sick, aren't i?) > >What editors have you tried? I installed Abiword yesterday, and it works quite >nicely, and formats saved files much more prettily than Word. I'm not sure if >you can save files in .doc form, though. I haven't checked in particularly >ludicrous Word creations yet, but it opens simple .doc files well enough, and >can supposedly display .rtf, as well. I believe you can use vi key-bindings in >Abiword, as well, but I haven't played with it enough yet to know how well that >works. > >Here's the homepage: >http://www.abisource.com/ > >-Todd > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 15:20:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from limbo.cdrom.com (limbo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFFE15360; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:20:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@limbo.cdrom.com) Received: (from jim@localhost) by limbo.cdrom.com (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) id d9SMI2k41586; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:18:02 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Nik Clayton Cc: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon proceedings and notes Message-ID: <19991028151802.B41524@limbo.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@cdrom.com References: <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> <19991028212322.A94323@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1i In-Reply-To: <19991028212322.A94323@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 09:23:22PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 at 21:23:22 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 11:31:08AM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > > During the conference, many of the speakers said that they'd be > > posting lecture notes on the FreeBSDCon.org site. But if > > proceedings are there, they're well hidden; I can't find links to > > them anywhere on that site. Are there plans to post them (or links > > to them, if they're on the authors' sites)? > > Jim Mock sent out a message a couple of days ago to all the speakers > asking for them, so that they can go on the site. FWIW, mine are at > http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/freebsdcon-1999/fdp/. Powerpoint format > only at the moment I'm afraid. I've got most of them in either .ppt, .mgp (magicpoint), .ps, or .html. I'm still waiting on some others (I'll be sending another message tonight). Either way, what I have will be up on freebsdcon.org next week once I get the rest of the site switched to 'post-conference' mode. There'll also be links to pictures from the conference and articles about the conference up there too. If any of you have links to articles or pictures (other than the 5 floating around which I already have), let me know about them. As for the articles, I have the two from sendmail.net, and the one from upside.com. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@cdrom.com - - phone: 925.691.2800 x3814 - fax: 925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - freebsdzine - http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 15:21:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CBA14CB3 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todd@lmi.net) Received: from drtboi.lanminds.com (drtboi.lmi.net [208.25.91.219]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA05534; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991028154156.047263d0@localhost> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: todd@lmi.net Organization: LMI.net From: Todd Meister To: Brett Glass Subject: RE: ok, let's get things interesting here... Cc: freebsd-chat , J McKitrick Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 28-Oct-99 Brett Glass wrote: > I've considered using AbiWord, but it's GPLed. (Not trying to start a flame > war here; just pointing it out.) That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. "That" being the implication that using GPLed software is a bad idea. I've read plenty of arguments about why developers may not want to use the GPL, and not being a developer, I have no opinion on the subject. But if the software is free to use, or if I'm just using it for personal use, I see no problem, regardless of the license. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 16:54:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28BF154CC for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:54:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a100.otenet.gr [195.167.115.100]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA01396 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 02:54:17 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (qmail 13374 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Oct 1999 23:56:28 -0000 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cant these people spell? References: <19991028091024.A318@time.bomb.argh> From: Giorgos Keramidas Date: 29 Oct 1999 02:56:27 +0300 In-Reply-To: Pablo Baena's message of "Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:10:25 -0300" Message-ID: <86904nox90.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "20 Minutes to Nikko" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pablo Baena writes: > I'm not the kind of guy that goes out kicking Windoze boxes, when I see > one, I just think: "Hey, I have a much more powerful box at home waiting > for me, let this s**t burn the hard disk and go away". The answer to all these troubling things you said is but one. Never try to make things so easy that a stupid user would be able to use them. Instead, try to educate "stupid" users to be able to use more elaborate and sophisticated programs without always complaining. -- Giorgos Keramidas, "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 18:32:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D705614EE8 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:32:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 18086 invoked from network); 29 Oct 1999 01:32:05 -0000 Received: from userbk68.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.144.76) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 1999 01:32:05 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id CAA00769; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 02:32:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 02:32:01 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon proceedings and notes Message-ID: <19991029023201.A323@marder-1> References: <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 11:31:08AM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > During the conference, many of the speakers said that they'd be posting > lecture notes on the FreeBSDCon.org site. But if proceedings are there, > they're well hidden; I can't find links to them anywhere on that site. Are > there plans to post them (or links to them, if they're on the authors' sites)? > > --Brett Glass > Since you mention FreeBSDCon Brett, 2 of the thumbnails at http://194.184.65.4/freebsdcon/19991019/index.pl list one B.Glass as appearing in the terminal room, however there are many more people in the pictures (AUT_0021.JPG & AUT_0022.JPG) than listed in the caption so come on, own up, which one is you? BTW, why are there no pictures of "pistols at dawn" between youself and JKH :) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 19:45:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC77A14DBD for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:45:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-14-93.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.14.93]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA14569; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:45:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA73018; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:10:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199910290210.VAA73018@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: J McKitrick , freebsd-chat From: David Kelly Subject: Re: ok, let's get things interesting here... In-reply-to: Message from Sean Michael Whipkey of "Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:58:50 EDT." <3818569A.99E8DF52@cstone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:10:50 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sean Michael Whipkey writes: > David Kelly wrote: > > Isn't Applixware due to ship in November, native for FreeBSD? > > According to their reps at FreeBSDCon, it should ship within 30 days of > last week. :) > > The demos and little bit I got to use of it at the con were Pretty Darn > Cool, so I can't wait until my office gets its copy of it. I've had it backordered for 15 months, I think. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 20: 6:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658AC14D21 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:06:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20555; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991028210434.0413d190@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:05:06 -0600 To: Mark Ovens From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon proceedings and notes Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <19991029023201.A323@marder-1> References: <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:32 AM 10/29/1999 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: >Since you mention FreeBSDCon Brett, 2 of the thumbnails at >http://194.184.65.4/freebsdcon/19991019/index.pl list one B.Glass >as appearing in the terminal room, however there are many more >people in the pictures (AUT_0021.JPG & AUT_0022.JPG) than listed >in the caption so come on, own up, which one is you? I'm the one with the beard. ;-) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 20: 7:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8819614DA5 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:07:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20584; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991028210548.04144c60@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:06:58 -0600 To: todd@lmi.net From: Brett Glass Subject: RE: ok, let's get things interesting here... Cc: freebsd-chat , J McKitrick In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.19991028154156.047263d0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:21 PM 10/28/1999 -0700, Todd Meister wrote: >On 28-Oct-99 Brett Glass wrote: > > I've considered using AbiWord, but it's GPLed. (Not trying to start a flame > > war here; just pointing it out.) > >That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. "That" being the implication that >using GPLed software is a bad idea. It is a VERY bad idea, since the more it is used, the more it accomplishes the GPL's purpose. But again, this is a subject for a flame war I do not have time for right now. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 22:54: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C891014D1B; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:54:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11h4zE-0004Sw-00; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:54:05 -0600 Message-ID: <3819367B.F8CA0452@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:54:03 -0600 From: Wes Peters Reply-To: wes@softweyr.com Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: VXA Tape? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone had any experience with the VXA Tape drive? I'm looking for a reliable backdup device of moderately high storage capacity, 30 - 40 GB per backup. These look pretty good on paper, but I'd like to piggyback on someone else's experience if any is available. ;^) Please reply to this email address, I'm not subscribed to questions or chat. Please trim the reply list so we don't clutter up both lists. If interested, I'll summarize when the response trickles off. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 23:11:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0B614E7E; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:11:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11h5Fk-0006id-00; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 00:11:08 -0600 Message-ID: <38193A49.EEAE80DF@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 00:10:17 -0600 From: Wes Peters Reply-To: wes@softweyr.com Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VXA Tape? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The Ecrix compatibility guide at http://www.ecrix.com/frame.cfm (click compatiblity/software on the right side) says the VXA Tapes are "Plug and Play" with FreeBSD 3.2. Nice to know somebody noticed us! I'd still like to hear any user testimonials. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 28 23:34:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from TercerMundo.com.ar (millennium.tercermundo.com.ar [200.16.223.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B90114E7E for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:33:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from PBaena@TercerMundo.com.ar) Received: from TercerMundo.com.ar by TercerMundo.com.ar with RAW (MDaemon.v2.8.5.0.R) for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 03:36:37 -0300 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 03:36:37 -0300 From: "Pablo Baena" Subject: To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: PBaena@TercerMundo.com.ar Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Actual-From: PBaena@TercerMundo.com.ar X-Mailer: WebPOP v3.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What's the deal with GPL? Any URL to see what's this all about with GPL and FreeBSD. I do not use Linux right now, but I do use lots of GNU software, and FreeBSD with it, so I'd like to know more about that subject. Thanks. Pablo On Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 09:06:58PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 03:21 PM 10/28/1999 -0700, Todd Meister wrote: > >On 28-Oct-99 Brett Glass wrote: > > > I've considered using AbiWord, but it's GPLed. (Not trying to start a flame > > > war here; just pointing it out.) > > > >That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. "That" being the implication that > >using GPLed software is a bad idea. > > It is a VERY bad idea, since the more it is used, the more it accomplishes the > GPL's purpose. But again, this is a subject for a flame war I do not have time > for right now. > > --Brett -- "It was a time the sky seemed so bright and blue. A time I believed it could carry a song straight into heaven" Myung Fan Lone To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 0:48: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE81D14FDE for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 00:48:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA78884; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:47:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Brett Taylor Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: slashdot and netscape References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 29 Oct 1999 09:47:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: Brett Taylor's message of "Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:20:55 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Taylor writes: > There'd been talk recently of Netscape and Slashdot not liking each other. > I'd seen this some, but usually when I was trying to submit a story. Now > with navigator-4.7 I see it crashing ALL the time. Virtually everytime I > try to read a story or see comments it crashes. Heck it crashes just > trying to load the front page about 1/10 times. Turn off Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Enable JavaScript DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 2:20:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from enterprise.sanyusan.se (enterprise.sanyusan.se [195.24.160.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C4F14FDE for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 02:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anders@enterprise.sanyusan.se) Received: (from anders@localhost) by enterprise.sanyusan.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04263; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:17:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from anders) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:17:39 +0200 From: Anders Andersson To: Brett Glass Cc: todd@lmi.net, J McKitrick , freebsd-chat Subject: Re: ok, let's get things interesting here... Message-ID: <19991029111739.A4203@enterprise.sanyusan.se> References: <4.2.0.58.19991028154156.047263d0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991028154156.047263d0@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Tor, Okt 28, 1999 at 03:42:38pm -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tor, Okt 28, 1999 at 03:42:38pm -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > I've considered using AbiWord, but it's GPLed. (Not trying to start a flame > war here; just pointing it out.) I don't have any issues with using GPL'ed software. Just makes me think twice before contributing back to it. Anders -- Anders Andersson anders@sanyusan.se Sanyusan International AB http://www.sanyusan.se/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 7:40:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82B61550C for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.51]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA295C; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:40:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3819B3EA.845B910A@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:49:14 -0500 From: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PBaena@TercerMundo.com.ar Cc: Brett Glass , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: (Not this discussion again...) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.daemonnews.org/199906/gpl-evil.html I wrote that so that I don't have explain it over and over again. I wouldn't go as far as saying "don't use any GPL'd software" though... The GPL has brought so many conflicts on commercial and free projects lately that GGI and KDE2 will have a less restricted license ! GGI is already BSD-like or artistic, KDE2 will be artistic :). cheers, Pedro. Pablo Baena wrote: > > What's the deal with GPL? Any URL to see what's this all about with > GPL and FreeBSD. I do not use Linux right now, but I do use lots of > GNU software, and FreeBSD with it, so I'd like to know more about > that subject. > > Thanks. > Pablo > > On Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 09:06:58PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > > At 03:21 PM 10/28/1999 -0700, Todd Meister wrote: > > >On 28-Oct-99 Brett Glass wrote: > > > > I've considered using AbiWord, but it's GPLed. (Not trying to start a flame > > > > war here; just pointing it out.) > > > > > >That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. "That" being the implication > that > > >using GPLed software is a bad idea. > > > > It is a VERY bad idea, since the more it is used, the more it accomplishes the > > GPL's purpose. But again, this is a subject for a flame war I do not have time > > for right now. > > > > --Brett > -- > "It was a time the sky seemed so bright and blue. A time I believed > it could carry a song straight into heaven" > Myung Fan Lone > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 9: 6:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A5015521 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com ([199.103.141.157]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23740; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 01:35:58 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Message-ID: <19991029115305.47810@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:53:05 -0400 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass , Mark Ovens Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon proceedings and notes References: <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> <19991029023201.A323@marder-1> <4.2.0.58.19991028210434.0413d190@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991028210434.0413d190@localhost>; from Brett Glass on Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 09:05:06PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 28 October 1999 at 21:05:06 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 02:32 AM 10/29/1999 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > >> Since you mention FreeBSDCon Brett, 2 of the thumbnails at >> http://194.184.65.4/freebsdcon/19991019/index.pl list one B.Glass >> as appearing in the terminal room, however there are many more >> people in the pictures (AUT_0021.JPG & AUT_0022.JPG) than listed >> in the caption so come on, own up, which one is you? > > I'm the one with the beard. ;-) Specifically, he's the only one standing. On the left on 21 and on the right on 22. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 15:46:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A75F1510C for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00327; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: J McKitrick Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what is the 'lite' in 4.4 BSD Lite? (n/t) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, J McKitrick wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > >On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, J McKitrick wrote: > > > >J, you sure are trying to learn as much as possble about FreeBSD > >as fast as possible. :) > > You're right ! I love this OS, and i'm a CIS student. I'm really > fascinated.. moreso than i was with Linux... this OS is much more > professional, consistent, and integrated. hey, watch it! soon you'll be another 'BSD snob', but hey what's wrong with that? :) -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@rush.net|alfred@freebsd.org] Wintelcom systems administrator and programmer - http://www.wintelcom.net/ [bright@wintelcom.net] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 16:18:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFD4155A2 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:18:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a113.otenet.gr [195.167.115.113]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA22780 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 02:18:32 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (qmail 9037 invoked by uid 1001); 29 Oct 1999 23:20:27 -0000 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what is the 'lite' in 4.4 BSD Lite? (n/t) References: From: Giorgos Keramidas Date: 30 Oct 1999 01:20:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: Alfred Perlstein's message of "Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:08:18 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: <86aep1kb45.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "20 Minutes to Nikko" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alfred Perlstein writes: > hey, watch it! soon you'll be another 'BSD snob', but hey what's > wrong with that? :) Nothing is wrong with that. In fact, nothing is wrong with trying to convert more people to FreeBSD, that is what advocacy is about. The 'wrong' things start when one gets to believe that all 'others' are supposed to die because of not being easy to convert. It's all that medieval 'burn the witches' stuff that's annoying and dangerous :) -- Giorgos Keramidas, "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 16:23:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE161513E for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (jcw@localhost) by s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA93381; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 04:21:02 GMT (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: s8-37-26.student.washington.edu: jcw owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 04:21:02 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: J McKitrick , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: what is the 'lite' in 4.4 BSD Lite? (n/t) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >hey, watch it! soon you'll be another 'BSD snob', but hey >what's wrong with that? :) What's wrong is that 'snob' has an advertising clause that is simply incompatible with our philosophy and 'snob' was NIH. Fear not, we will reimplement 'snob' in our new software called 'stuck up'. In addition 'stuck up' will have added functionality --recursive so that 'stuck up' will traverse all users in lexical order. Upon exit of the program, those that use 'stuck up' will chide those still using 'snob' as not using the one true 'stuck up' for the purpose of mere spite regardless of any technical merits of 'snob' verses 'stuck up'. Thank You, | http://students.washington.edu/jcwells/ Jason Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 18:27:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 396B814C91 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:27:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 1720 invoked from network); 30 Oct 1999 01:27:29 -0000 Received: from useram29.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.134.201) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 1999 01:27:29 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id CAA01010; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 02:27:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 02:27:26 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Greg Lehey Cc: Brett Glass , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon proceedings and notes Message-ID: <19991030022726.A317@marder-1> References: <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> <4.2.0.58.19991028112615.04683100@localhost> <19991029023201.A323@marder-1> <4.2.0.58.19991028210434.0413d190@localhost> <19991029115305.47810@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19991029115305.47810@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 29, 1999 at 11:53:05AM -0400, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 28 October 1999 at 21:05:06 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > > At 02:32 AM 10/29/1999 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > >> Since you mention FreeBSDCon Brett, 2 of the thumbnails at > >> http://194.184.65.4/freebsdcon/19991019/index.pl list one B.Glass > >> as appearing in the terminal room, however there are many more > >> people in the pictures (AUT_0021.JPG & AUT_0022.JPG) than listed > >> in the caption so come on, own up, which one is you? > > > > I'm the one with the beard. ;-) > > Specifically, he's the only one standing. On the left on 21 and on > the right on 22. > Thanks. It's good to be able to put a face to a name. > Greg > -- > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > See complete headers for address and phone numbers -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 18:36: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16DF14CA8 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:35:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04674; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: J McKitrick , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: what is the 'lite' in 4.4 BSD Lite? (n/t) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > >hey, watch it! soon you'll be another 'BSD snob', but hey > >what's wrong with that? :) > > What's wrong is that 'snob' has an advertising clause that is simply > incompatible with our philosophy and 'snob' was NIH. Fear not, we will > reimplement 'snob' in our new software called 'stuck up'. > > In addition 'stuck up' will have added functionality --recursive so that > 'stuck up' will traverse all users in lexical order. Upon exit of the > program, those that use 'stuck up' will chide those still using 'snob' as > not using the one true 'stuck up' for the purpose of mere spite regardless > of any technical merits of 'snob' verses 'stuck up'. What license do you plan on releasing the re-implementation under? *runs for the hills* >;) -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 19:52:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fnmail.com (rdutlp7a5.impsat.net.ar [200.32.112.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B619F14E4F for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greyheart@fnmail.com) Received: (from tetsuo@localhost) by eldemonio.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00613; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:10:32 -0300 (ART) (envelope-from greyheart@fnmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: eldemonio.com: tetsuo set sender to greyheart@fnmail.com using -f Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:10:32 -0300 From: Pablo Baena To: andy@flame.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD detected as a virus.. Message-ID: <19991029151031.C515@eldemonio.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19991029131003.0164f400@atlantis.fukt.hk-r.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE X-Editor: Zile 1.0a5 - An Emacs clone! Give it a try! Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And then they blame us because we do not use an anti-virus! WE ARE A VIRUS! Pablo On Fri, Oct 29, 1999 at 12:34:17PM +0100, J McKitrick wrote: > This happened a week or so ago. Norton doesn't recognize the FBSD > bootblock (booteasy) and call it bloodhound.mbr because that is their > generic label for an unidentified virus. Norton is supposedly working on > an update to recognize the non-standard bootblock. > > -jm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 19:52:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fnmail.com (rdutlp7a5.impsat.net.ar [200.32.112.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E92B14EB3 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greyheart@fnmail.com) Received: (from tetsuo@localhost) by eldemonio.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00538; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:48:38 -0300 (ART) (envelope-from greyheart@fnmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: eldemonio.com: tetsuo set sender to greyheart@fnmail.com using -f Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:48:38 -0300 From: Pablo Baena To: Pedro Fernando Giffuni Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (Not this discussion again...) Message-ID: <19991029144837.A515@eldemonio.com> References: <3819B3EA.845B910A@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <3819B3EA.845B910A@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE X-Editor: Zile 1.0a5 - An Emacs clone! Give it a try! Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's why I asked for an URL instead of starting a discussion. Besides, I can say that 70% of the software I use right now is GPL'd, and I don't care of what any person have to say about it, I'll keep using it. Just want to know what's happening... Pablo. On Fri, Oct 29, 1999 at 09:49:14AM -0500, Pedro Fernando Giffuni wrote: > http://www.daemonnews.org/199906/gpl-evil.html > I wrote that so that I don't have explain it over and over again. I > wouldn't go as far as saying "don't use any GPL'd software" though... > > The GPL has brought so many conflicts on commercial and free projects > lately that GGI and KDE2 will have a less restricted license ! GGI is > already BSD-like or artistic, KDE2 will be artistic :). > > cheers, > > Pedro. > > > Pablo Baena wrote: > > > > What's the deal with GPL? Any URL to see what's this all about with > > GPL and FreeBSD. I do not use Linux right now, but I do use lots of > > GNU software, and FreeBSD with it, so I'd like to know more about > > that subject. > > > > Thanks. > > Pablo > > > > On Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 09:06:58PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > > > At 03:21 PM 10/28/1999 -0700, Todd Meister wrote: > > > >On 28-Oct-99 Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > I've considered using AbiWord, but it's GPLed. (Not trying to start a flame > > > > > war here; just pointing it out.) > > > > > > > >That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. "That" being the implication > > that > > > >using GPLed software is a bad idea. > > > > > > It is a VERY bad idea, since the more it is used, the more it accomplishes the > > > GPL's purpose. But again, this is a subject for a flame war I do not have time > > > for right now. > > > > > > --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 29 22:38:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D0C14C16 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:38:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.54]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA35E2; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:37:50 -0400 Message-ID: <381A8660.F413A228@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:47:12 -0500 From: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pablo Baena Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (Not this discussion again...) References: <3819B3EA.845B910A@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> <19991029144837.A515@eldemonio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Relax...I am not attacking you. Next time though, it's a good idea to add a subject so that I don't have to make one up ;-). cheers, Pedro. Pablo Baena wrote: > > That's why I asked for an URL instead of starting a discussion. > Besides, I can say that 70% of the software I use right now is GPL'd, > and I don't care of what any person have to say about it, I'll keep > using it. Just want to know what's happening... > Pablo. > > On Fri, Oct 29, 1999 at 09:49:14AM -0500, Pedro Fernando Giffuni wrote: > > http://www.daemonnews.org/199906/gpl-evil.html > > I wrote that so that I don't have explain it over and over again. I > > wouldn't go as far as saying "don't use any GPL'd software" though... > > > > The GPL has brought so many conflicts on commercial and free projects > > lately that GGI and KDE2 will have a less restricted license ! GGI is > > already BSD-like or artistic, KDE2 will be artistic :). > > > > cheers, > > > > Pedro. > > > > > > Pablo Baena wrote: > > > > > > What's the deal with GPL? Any URL to see what's this all about with > > > GPL and FreeBSD. I do not use Linux right now, but I do use lots of > > > GNU software, and FreeBSD with it, so I'd like to know more about > > > that subject. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Pablo > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 09:06:58PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > > > > At 03:21 PM 10/28/1999 -0700, Todd Meister wrote: > > > > >On 28-Oct-99 Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > I've considered using AbiWord, but it's GPLed. (Not trying to start a flame > > > > > > war here; just pointing it out.) > > > > > > > > > >That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. "That" being the implication > > > that > > > > >using GPLed software is a bad idea. > > > > > > > > It is a VERY bad idea, since the more it is used, the more it accomplishes the > > > > GPL's purpose. But again, this is a subject for a flame war I do not have time > > > > for right now. > > > > > > > > --Brett > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 30 7:50:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 622BE14FEF for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 07:50:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 8603 invoked from network); 30 Oct 1999 14:50:44 -0000 Received: from userah64.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.132.249) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 1999 14:50:44 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id PAA02865; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:50:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:50:46 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Steven Kehlet Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nokia shells with BSD daemon on them... url, anyone? Message-ID: <19991030155046.A316@marder-1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 22, 1999 at 06:11:53PM -0700, Steven Kehlet wrote: > Hi, > > I remember a posting floating past a while ago about someone selling > Nokia cell phone shells with Chuck on them.... I can't find the url in > the search archives nor in any of my favorite search engines. > > Anyone have the url? Thanks! :-), > http://www.de.freebsd.org/de/gif/bsd/cellphone.html > Steve > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 30 12:46:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F2015144 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.55]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA3F47; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: <381B4D3F.ADDD0F3A@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:55:43 -0500 From: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pablo Baena Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (Not this discussion again...) References: <3819B3EA.845B910A@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> <19991029144837.A515@eldemonio.com> <381A8660.F413A228@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> <19991030151053.B374@eldemonio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pablo Baena wrote: > > That's ok! ;) I didn't take it personally. BTW: I think that your posting > and the one before that one (from Greg Lehey), both are wrong...but > that would be starting a discussion, and that's what we are trying to > avoid, right? Indeed, FreeBSD developers are doing a great job, and that's > what counts... > Actually I don't think we are trying to avoid a discussion, what happens is that no one adds something new, and the mail archives work just fine. cheers, Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 30 14:53: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE1414C2F for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:52:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Received: from swbell.net ([207.193.26.141]) by mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FKF0023GRG18Q@mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net> for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:52:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01716; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:48:35 -0500 (CDT envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:48:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Nelson Subject: RE: ok, let's get things interesting here... In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19991028210548.04144c60@localhost> To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-chat Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Brett Glass wrote: [snip] >>That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. "That" being the implication that >>using GPLed software is a bad idea. > >It is a VERY bad idea, since the more it is used, the more it accomplishes the >GPL's purpose. But again, this is a subject for a flame war I do not have time >for right now. Brett -- on this, I agree completely;) -- Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message