From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 3 2:30: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB91A14C15 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 02:29:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12163; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:37:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:37:04 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nick Sanders Cc: Ronald Hayden , FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: subscribe Message-ID: <19990930083703.A11995@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <37F283F7.CD4A515A@apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Nick Sanders on Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 03:18:57PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 03:18:57PM -0700, Nick Sanders wrote: > I think the following text under the projects section of the webpage > should be changed: > > If you want to help with the documentation project, subscribe to the > freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG mailing list and partcipate. > > If its reworded to "subscribe to the freebsd-doc mailing list and > participate" it should make it a little more obvious that > freebsd-doc@freebsd.org is not the place to send subscribe requests. We > might also want to make "freebsd-doc" a hyper link to a page with > instructions on how to subscribe/unsubscribe to mailing lists. Excellent idea. Patches? N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 3 3:19: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from so3.mediaweb.com (so3.mediaweb.com [206.58.37.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EB114F3A for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:19:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dks@spies.com) Received: from [206.58.37.20] (so20.mediaweb.com [206.58.37.20] (may be forged)) by so3.mediaweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06365 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:45:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dks@goonsquad.spies.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:12:44 -0700 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: dk smith Subject: subscribe freebsd-smp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -- dks@spies.com | Perception is nine tenths of the law. 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Message-ID: <19991003140217.A25628@rucus.ru.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Two old PRs of mine are still open, preceding the doc make reworking: docs/13345 docs/13379 Would someone kindly close them? (yes, I know I could reply to them) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 3 6:29:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mendes.dnet.net.id (batavia.dnet.net.id [202.148.1.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E676614CBF for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 06:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gopas@dnet.net.id) Received: (qmail 3960 invoked from network); 3 Oct 1999 14:29:21 -0000 Received: from as19port7.dnet.net.id (HELO gopas) (202.148.0.118) by batavia.dnet.net.id with SMTP; 3 Oct 1999 14:29:21 -0000 Message-ID: <000001bf0da2$f2c93980$760094ca@gopas> From: "gopas manurung" To: Subject: SUBSRIBE Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:25:17 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF0DDD.683069C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF0DDD.683069C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF0DDD.683069C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF0DDD.683069C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 3 15:48:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A456A14D60; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.173]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA781; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:48:10 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA62879; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:47:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:47:09 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: doc@freebsd.org Cc: nik@freebsd.org Subject: Round #495 of trying to build docproj. Message-ID: <19991004004709.K35757@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, So I wanted to upgrade my docproj stuff since I there were some problems with the old install I had. I pkg_deleted all of teTeX, jadetex and everything else. Installed the latest of docbook, dsssl, teTeX-1.06 but when I know try to make jadetex I get: ===> Building for jadetex-2.3 tex jadetex.ins This is TeX, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.3.1) I can't find the format file `tex.fmt'! *** Error code 1 Now I remember having this problem before and a search in the jadetex work directory yields nothing. If I locate tex.fmt I get this: /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/tex.fmt But when I now look in that directory it is not there anymore. If there a preferred way of installing docproj because it appears to be a very weird routine. I think I did quite the right maneuvers in order to install it correctly. For information: I started with every single docbook, docbook-xml, iso*, lynx, tidy, dsssl, html, dtd-catalogs, teTeX, jadetex [which busts], docproj with JADETEX = yes [which also bombs]. Advice is very much appreciated. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Fame is the perfume of heroic deeds. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 3 15:51:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C7D14F0E; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:51:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.173]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA739B; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:51:12 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA62887; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:51:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:51:31 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Nik Clayton Cc: Mark Ovens , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sun's StarOffice to support DocBook? Message-ID: <19991004005131.L35757@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19990913205548.C2529@marder-1> <19990913211052.D2529@marder-1> <19990913223017.A97095@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <19990913223017.A97095@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Old thread revisited] On [19990914 01:45], Nik Clayton (nik@freebsd.org) wrote: >On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 09:10:52PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: >> >> What are the chances we might see StarWriter emerge as the GUI editor >> for DocBook? > >I'd be interested, but I'll believe it when we see it. You see, in order >to do that you'll need some way of pretty printing the DocBook markup >so that (for example) Foo... has the "Foo" >presented in 18pt Times (or whatever) which means stylesheets. > >In order to do this they have three choices -- DSSSL, which is the (or an) >ISO standard for SGML stylesheets. I don't know of anything that >implements DSSSL completely, it's quite a hard problem. > >Or XSL, which is the stylesheet language for XML. Again, I don't know >any commercial product that successfully supports it, let alone a 'free' >one. Norman Walsh now has a beta XSL package. Might this help us a lot? I haven't taken a peek yet, downloaded it though, but that's because of another problem. See my other fun mail ;) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Fame is the perfume of heroic deeds. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 3 20:38:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3777A14C3C; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id UAA81440; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199910040338.UAA81440@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za, jkoshy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/13345: obj-related DOC_PREFIX? changes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: obj-related DOC_PREFIX? changes State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jkoshy State-Changed-When: Sun Oct 3 20:37:16 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Closed at originators request. Message-ID: <19991003140217.A25628@rucus.ru.ac.za> on freebsd-doc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 3 20:39:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8878414CF9; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:39:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id UAA81521; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:39:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:39:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199910040339.UAA81521@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za, jkoshy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/13379: add obj'ability to doc build Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: add obj'ability to doc build State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jkoshy State-Changed-When: Sun Oct 3 20:38:49 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Closed at originators request. Message-ID: <19991003140217.A25628@rucus.ru.ac.za> on freebsd-doc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 0:44:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30E4150B3; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.72]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAB2971; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:44:02 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA63976; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:32:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:32:11 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Charles A. Wimmer" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/10085: NIS Setup Tutorial Message-ID: <19991004093211.B63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On [19991002 23:29], Charles A. Wimmer (cwimmer@wimmer.net) wrote: >Greetings, > > I have formated the NIS article from Issue #3 of the FreeBSDzine >in the Docbook format. It would answer both docs/10085 and docs/10098. > > It can be found at: > > http://www.wimmer.net/charles/article.sgml I have looked at it, it looks very good. Now if someone could actually commit it it would be even better =) Note that when this document becomes part of the -doc tree, make sure you use send-pr to correct any mistakes with this document. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Fame is the perfume of heroic deeds. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 1:24:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C7A15116 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:24:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA00255; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:24:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910040824.BAA00255@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Subject: Re: docs/10085: NIS Setup Tutorial Reply-To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/10085; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Charles A. Wimmer" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/10085: NIS Setup Tutorial Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:32:11 +0200 On [19991002 23:29], Charles A. Wimmer (cwimmer@wimmer.net) wrote: >Greetings, > > I have formated the NIS article from Issue #3 of the FreeBSDzine >in the Docbook format. It would answer both docs/10085 and docs/10098. > > It can be found at: > > http://www.wimmer.net/charles/article.sgml I have looked at it, it looks very good. Now if someone could actually commit it it would be even better =) Note that when this document becomes part of the -doc tree, make sure you use send-pr to correct any mistakes with this document. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Fame is the perfume of heroic deeds. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 1:24:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01681150C4 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA00266; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEAF14FE6 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:44:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Thierry.Besancon@lps.ens.fr) Received: from tournesol.lps.ens.fr (tournesol.lps.ens.fr [129.199.120.1]) by nef.ens.fr (8.9.3/beig-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA05095 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:44:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from (besancon@localhost) by tournesol.lps.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id JAA80386 ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199910040744.JAA80386@tournesol.lps.ens.fr> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:44:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Thierry.Besancon@lps.ens.fr Reply-To: Thierry.Besancon@lps.ens.fr To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: besancon@lps.ens.fr X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14112: error in html doc FreeBSD 3.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14112 >Category: docs >Synopsis: calls in ddb doc don't exist any longer >Confidential: yes >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Oct 4 01:24:44 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: >Release: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Laboratoire de Physique Statistique -- Ecole Normale Supérieure 24 rue Lhomond, 75231 Paris Cedex 05, France tel: 01 44 32 34 76; fax: 01 44 32 34 33 >Environment: FreeBSD fileserver.lps.ens.fr 3.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE #0: Tue Sep 21 14:01:54 CEST 1999 root@demo.lps.ens.fr:/usr/src/sys/compile/FILESERVER i386 >Description: Trying to debug a kernel, I started lynx and read in the section "On-line Kernel Debugging Using DDB" : ... Now you have now examined why your kernel failed, and you wish to reboot. Remember that, depending on the severity of previous malfunctioning, not all parts of the kernel might still be working as expected. Perform one of the following actions to shut down and reboot your system: call diediedie() This will cause your kernel to dump core and reboot, so you can later analyze the core on a higher level with kgdb. This command usually must be followed by another continue statement. There is now an alias for this: panic. call boot(0) Which might be a good way to cleanly shut down the running system, sync() all disks, and finally reboot. ... Well, diediedie() or boot() are undefined symbols in the FreeBSD 3.3 release. >How-To-Repeat: No need in repeating. >Fix: Find the correct symbols. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 3:54: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBC715223; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:53:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.72]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA637; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:53:58 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA64685; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:52:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:52:04 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: doc@freebsd.org Cc: nik@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Round #495 of trying to build docproj. Message-ID: <19991004125204.N63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19991004004709.K35757@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <19991004004709.K35757@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On [19991004 04:18], Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai (asmodai@wxs.nl) wrote: >If I locate tex.fmt I get this: > >/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/tex.fmt > >But when I now look in that directory it is not there anymore. Note that the locate is my old database. Now when I looked at the PLIST of teTeX 1.0.6 it shows tex.fmt to be installed in /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c. Well, I have no idea how what or why, but it doesn't install. I am going to pkg_delete teTeX again and log the whole build of the port and see if I can find out what goes wrong because this port hasn't been `stable' to install yet I think =\ You will be kept informed =) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Fame is the perfume of heroic deeds. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 6:40: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920BB1511D for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA55525; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 808DB14DE8 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 30367 invoked by uid 1003); 4 Oct 1999 13:39:34 -0000 Message-Id: <19991004133934.30366.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: 4 Oct 1999 13:39:34 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14113: change articles/fonts into an article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14113 >Category: docs >Synopsis: change articles/fonts into an article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Oct 4 06:40:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD rucus.ru.ac.za 3.0-STABLE FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE #0: Tue Feb 9 22:52:23 GMT 1999 grahams@rucus.ru.ac.za:/usr/src/sys/compile/RUCUS-SMP i386 >Description: articles/fonts was only pretending to be an article, this makes it an article. This is a mechanical transformation, whitespace cleanups still needed. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/09/06 06:52:36 1.4 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/04 13:05:02 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ - + - +
- - + Fonts and FreeBSD A Tutorial @@ -44,10 +43,9 @@ the syscons display to 80x60 mode, and for using type 1 fonts with the above application programs. - - + - + Introduction There are many sources of fonts available, and one might ask @@ -57,9 +55,9 @@ an attempt to provide a shortcut for others who might be interested. - + - + Basic terminology There are many different font formats and associated font file @@ -114,9 +112,9 @@ files are also used by Windows. I know of no way to use this font format with FreeBSD. - + - + What font formats can I use? Which font file format is useful depends on the application @@ -196,9 +194,9 @@ .fnt files other than those provided with FreeBSD. - + - + Setting a virtual console to 80x60 line mode First, a 8x8 font must be loaded. @@ -263,9 +261,9 @@ stty1, vidcontrol1. - + - + Using type 1 fonts with X11 X11 can use either the .pfa or the @@ -460,9 +458,9 @@ The X Windows System in a Nutshell, O'Reilly & Associates. - + - + Using type 1 fonts with Ghostscript Ghostscript references a font via its Fontmap @@ -505,9 +503,9 @@ References: fonts.txt in the Ghostscript 4.01 distribution - + - + Using type 1 fonts with Groff Now that the new font can be used by both X11 and Ghostscript, @@ -627,9 +625,9 @@ groff_char5, pfbtops1. - + - + Converting TrueType fonts to a groff/postscript format for groff @@ -818,9 +816,9 @@ gs1. - + - + Can TrueType fonts be used with other programs? The TrueType font format is used by Windows, Windows 95, and @@ -882,9 +880,9 @@ is a good starting point for information on these and other free TrueType projects. - + - + Where can additional fonts be obtained? Many fonts are available on the Internet. They are either @@ -914,9 +912,9 @@ - + - + Additional questions @@ -947,5 +945,5 @@ - - + +
>Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 7:10:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC6D14DA4 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA79389; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1229014D61 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:04:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 38631 invoked by uid 1003); 4 Oct 1999 14:06:24 -0000 Message-Id: <19991004140624.38630.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: 4 Oct 1999 14:06:24 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14114: article-ify formatting-media Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14114 >Category: docs >Synopsis: article-ify formatting-media >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Oct 4 07:10:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD rucus.ru.ac.za 3.0-STABLE FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE #0: Tue Feb 9 22:52:23 GMT 1999 grahams@rucus.ru.ac.za:/usr/src/sys/compile/RUCUS-SMP i386 >Description: formatting-media isn't an article, and it should be. Automated transformation, indentation and whitespace changes still needed. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/09/06 06:52:36 1.7 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/04 13:58:47 @@ -1,9 +1,8 @@ - + - +
- - + Formatting Media For Use With FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE A Tutorial @@ -23,13 +22,12 @@ examples given have been tested under FreeBSD 2.2-GAMMA and may work for other releases. - - + - + Introduction & Definitions - + Overview Successfully adding disks to an existing system is the mark of an experienced system administrator. Slicing, partitioning, and adding @@ -69,8 +67,8 @@ method is running the tools manually from a root command line. For dangerously dedicated mode, only three or four commands are involved while sysinstall requires some manipulation. - - + + Definitions UNIX disk management over the centuries has invented many new @@ -112,9 +110,9 @@ represents 512 bytes of data. - + - + Warnings & Pitfalls Building disks is not something to take lightly. It is quite possible @@ -128,9 +126,9 @@ Needless to say, we are not responsible for any damage to any data or hardware that you may experience. You work at your own risk! - + - + Zip, Jaz, and Other Removables Removable disks can be formatted in the same way as normal hard @@ -147,21 +145,21 @@ then the disk was not in the drive. In this case, you will need to restart the machine before attempting to format disks. - + - - + + Formatting Disks in Dedicated Mode - + Introduction This section details how to make disks that are totally dedicated to FreeBSD. Remember, dedicated mode disks cannot be booted by the PC architecture. - - + + Making Dedicated Mode Disks using Sysinstall /stand/sysinstall, the system installation @@ -218,8 +216,8 @@ Exit out by repeatedly pressing ESCAPE. - - + + Making Dedicated Mode Disks Using the Command Line @@ -254,13 +252,13 @@ Your disk is now ready for use. + - - + Making Compatibility Mode Disks - + Introduction The command line is the easiest way to make dedicated disks, and the worst way to make compatibility disks. The command-line fdisk @@ -268,8 +266,8 @@ the slice table, which is more than most people want to deal with. Use sysinstall for compatibility disks, as described below. - - + + Making Compatibility Mode Disks Using Sysinstall @@ -320,12 +318,12 @@ Your new disk is now ready for use. + - - -Other Disk Operations +Other Disk Operations + Adding Swap Space As a system grows, it's need for swap space can also grow. @@ -362,9 +360,9 @@ - + - + Copying the Contents of Disks Submitted By: Renaud Waldura (renaud@softway.com) @@ -383,9 +381,9 @@ - + - + Creating Striped Disks using CCD Commands Submitted By: Stan Brown (stanb@awod.com) @@ -429,10 +427,10 @@ Now you can mount and use your CCD by referencing device /dev/ccd0c. + - - + Credits @@ -457,8 +455,6 @@ - - - + - +
>Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 7:12:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168C215044 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.47]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAD6D4E; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:12:09 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA65250; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:15:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:15:37 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Charles A. Wimmer" Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Round #495 of trying to build docproj Message-ID: <19991004151537.A63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19991004125204.N63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Charles, I cc:'d doc again, since your comment and my following comments might give better context for those following the thread. On [19991004 15:11], Charles A. Wimmer (cwimmer@wimmer.net) wrote: >Just to let you know, I built textproc/docproj with: > >make JADETEX=no install > >on a 3.3-STABLE machine (guess why) just recently, and it worked >flawlessly. Did you have tex installed before you started? Yeah, that's the whole point, I want make JADETEX=yes ;) And yes, I build teTeX-1.0.6 before I tried my hand at jadetext/docproj compilation. The pkg/PLIST even lists that tex.fmt should be installed, but here it doesn't. [Note, I run CURRENT] I am now pkg_delete'ing teTeX and rebuilding it and completely logging the bastard to see where it goes wrong. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Water, water every where. Nor any drop to drink. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 7:20: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C4D154BA for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA80340; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC03814C96 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:10:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 40110 invoked by uid 1003); 4 Oct 1999 14:12:48 -0000 Message-Id: <19991004141248.40109.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: 4 Oct 1999 14:12:48 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14115: article-ify mh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14115 >Category: docs >Synopsis: article-ify mh >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Oct 4 07:20:00 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD rucus.ru.ac.za 3.0-STABLE FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE #0: Tue Feb 9 22:52:23 GMT 1999 grahams@rucus.ru.ac.za:/usr/src/sys/compile/RUCUS-SMP i386 >Description: mh article wasn't. Fixed, but whitespace/indentation not. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/mh/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/09/06 06:52:37 1.4 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/04 14:07:37 @@ -1,11 +1,10 @@ - - + +
- - + An MH Primer @@ -24,10 +23,9 @@ This document contains an introduction to using MH on FreeBSD - - + - + Introduction MH started back in 1977 at the RAND Corporation, where the @@ -75,9 +73,9 @@ for MH. The best resource for MH is the O'Reilly and Associates book written by Jerry Peek. - + - + Reading Mail This section covers how to use inc, @@ -100,7 +98,7 @@ folder. - + <command>inc</>, <command>msgchk</>—read in your new email or check it If you just type in inc and hit return @@ -141,9 +139,9 @@ and options that inc takes. - + - + <command>show</>, <command>next</> and <command>prev</>—displaying and moving through email show is to show a letter in your current folder. @@ -163,9 +161,9 @@ an implied show command so that when you go to the next message it automatically displays it. - + - + <command>scan</>—shows you a scan of your messages scan will display a brief listing of the messages @@ -193,9 +191,9 @@ /var/mail/username. This can be used with any file that is in the mbox format. - + - + <command>rmm</> and <command>rmf</>—remove the current message or folder rmm is used to remove a mail message. The default @@ -208,9 +206,9 @@ doesn't just rename the files but actually removes the from the hard drive so you should be careful when you use this command. - + - + A typical session of reading with MH The first thing that you will want to do is inc @@ -290,10 +288,10 @@ through emails and displaying them is fairly intuitive and easy. + - - + Folders and Mail Searching Anybody who gets lots of email definitely wants to be able to @@ -337,7 +335,7 @@ inbox. - + <command>pick</>—search email that matches certain criteria pick is one of the more complex commands in the MH @@ -479,9 +477,9 @@ the man page. This document is just to help you get acquainted with MH. - + - + <command>folder</>, <command>folders</>, <command>refile</>—three useful programs for folder maintenance There are three programs which are primarily just for @@ -538,10 +536,10 @@ folder. You are probably beginning to realize some of the really powerful things you can do with MH. + - - + Sending Mail Email is a two way street for most people so you want to be @@ -562,7 +560,7 @@ email. - + <command>comp</>, <command>forw</>, <command>reply</>—compose, forward or reply to a message to someone The comp program has a few useful command line @@ -632,9 +630,9 @@ because most MH setups are configured to do this from the start. - + - + <filename>components</>, and <filename>replcomps</>—components files for <command>comp</> and <command>repl</> The components file is usually in @@ -699,6 +697,6 @@ again. No other email program really gives you the power and flexibility that MH gives you. + - - +
>Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 7:20:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB12815440 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA80349; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 690FD150C3 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:19:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 42091 invoked by uid 1003); 4 Oct 1999 14:21:28 -0000 Message-Id: <19991004142128.42090.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: 4 Oct 1999 14:21:28 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14116: article-ify multi-os Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14116 >Category: docs >Synopsis: article-ify multi-os >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Oct 4 07:20:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD rucus.ru.ac.za 3.0-STABLE FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE #0: Tue Feb 9 22:52:23 GMT 1999 grahams@rucus.ru.ac.za:/usr/src/sys/compile/RUCUS-SMP i386 >Description: multi-os article wasn't. Still needs whitespace/indentation stuff. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/multi-os/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/09/06 06:52:37 1.6 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/04 14:16:13 @@ -1,9 +1,8 @@ - - + +
- - + Installing and Using FreeBSD With Other Operating Systems @@ -27,10 +26,9 @@ rhh@ct.picker.com, and Jordan K. Hubbard jkh@time.cdrom.com - - + - + Overview Most people can't fit these operating systems together @@ -53,9 +51,9 @@ called Partition Magic, which lets you size and delete partitions without consequence. - + - + Overview of Boot Managers These are just brief descriptions of some of the different boot @@ -124,9 +122,9 @@ FAT32 also modifies the traditional FAT boot sector and allocation table, making it incompatible with some boot managers. - + - + A Typical Installation Let's say I have two large EIDE hard drives, and I want to @@ -235,9 +233,9 @@ - + - + Special Considerations Most operating systems are very picky about where and how they are @@ -270,9 +268,9 @@ as FAT). Linux can read and write to most file systems. Got that? I hope so. - + - + Examples (section needs work, please send your example to @@ -302,9 +300,9 @@ FreeBSD+Linux+Win95: (see ) - + - + Other Sources of Help There are many file:/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot/README.386BSD. - + - + Technical Details (Contributed by Randall Hopper, @@ -350,7 +348,7 @@ unfamiliar and then start reading. - + Disk Primer Three fundamental terms are used to describe the location of @@ -403,9 +401,9 @@ Ok, enough terminology. We're talking about booting here. - + - + The Booting Process On the first sector of your disk (Cyl 0, Head 0, Sector 1) @@ -498,14 +496,14 @@ the first probed disk. The boot manager you will install will be hooked into the MBR on this first probed hard disk that we've just described. - + - + Booting Limitations and Warnings Now the interesting stuff that you need to watch out for. - + The dreaded 1024 cylinder limit and how BIOS LBA helps The first part of the booting process is all done through the @@ -576,9 +574,9 @@ FreeBSD existing on one of my hard disks above the 1024th physical cylinder, and both operating systems boot fine, thanks to BIOS LBA). - + - + Boot Managers and Disk Allocation Another gotcha to watch out when installing boot managers is @@ -655,9 +653,9 @@ - + - + What if your machine won't boot? At some point when installing boot managers, you might leave the @@ -676,7 +674,7 @@ then boot DOS (and DOS only) off the hard drive. Alternatively, just re-run your boot manager installation program off a bootable floppy. + - - +
>Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 7:30: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6D2150E0 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA81193; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 752AF1521B for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:24:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 43302 invoked by uid 1003); 4 Oct 1999 14:26:57 -0000 Message-Id: <19991004142657.43301.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: 4 Oct 1999 14:26:57 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14117: article-ify new-users Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14117 >Category: docs >Synopsis: article-ify new-users >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Oct 4 07:30:00 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD rucus.ru.ac.za 3.0-STABLE FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE #0: Tue Feb 9 22:52:23 GMT 1999 grahams@rucus.ru.ac.za:/usr/src/sys/compile/RUCUS-SMP i386 >Description: new-users article wasn't. This article needs a lot of work. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/new-users/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/09/06 06:52:38 1.7 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/04 14:22:13 @@ -1,11 +1,10 @@ - - + +
- - + For People New to Both FreeBSD and Unix @@ -28,10 +27,9 @@ user (you)—and you're probably pretty good with DOS/Windows or OS/2. - - + - + Logging in and Getting Out Log in (when you see - + - + Adding A User with Root Privileges If you didn't create any users when you installed the system and @@ -124,9 +122,9 @@ To delete a user, use the rmuser command. - + - + Looking Around Logged in as an ordinary user, look around and try out some @@ -241,9 +239,9 @@ putting them in the system-wide csh configuration file, /etc/csh.cshrc. - + - + Getting Help and Information Here are some useful sources of help. @@ -363,9 +361,9 @@ Administration (O'Reilly & Associates, 1993, ISBN 0-937175-80-3). I used Nemeth. - + - + Editing Text To configure your system, you need to edit text files. Most of @@ -541,9 +539,9 @@ :wq to write the file to disk and quit. Instantly effective. (You didn't put a space after the comma, did you?) - + - + Printing Files from DOS At this point you probably don't have the printer working, so here's a @@ -619,9 +617,9 @@ URL="../../handbook/handbook.html">FreeBSD handbook. - + - + Other Useful Commands @@ -708,9 +706,9 @@ URL="http://www.eecs.nwu.edu/unix.html">Unix Reference Desk. - + - + Next Steps You should now have the tools you need to get around and edit @@ -825,9 +823,9 @@ netscape.bin and replace the old binary, which is /usr/local/lib/netscape/netscape.bin. - + - + Your Working Environment @@ -903,10 +901,10 @@ remote location and can't run a program because the terminal isn't capable is setenv TERM vt100. - + - + Other As root, you can dismount the CDROM with /sbin/umount @@ -926,9 +924,9 @@ instead of in /usr and its subdirectories, which is where they're expected to be. Read man lndir. - + - + Comments Welcome If you use this guide I'd be interested in knowing where it was @@ -939,5 +937,5 @@ Annelise Anderson, andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu - - + +
>Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 7:50:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1998154BC for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA82801; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3368615517 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:48:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 50792 invoked by uid 1003); 4 Oct 1999 14:50:49 -0000 Message-Id: <19991004145049.50791.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: 4 Oct 1999 14:50:49 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14118: article-ify programming-tools (last one) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14118 >Category: docs >Synopsis: article-ify programming-tools (last one) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Oct 4 07:50:00 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD rucus.ru.ac.za 3.0-STABLE FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE #0: Tue Feb 9 22:52:23 GMT 1999 grahams@rucus.ru.ac.za:/usr/src/sys/compile/RUCUS-SMP i386 >Description: programming-tools article isn't. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/programming-tools/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/09/06 06:52:38 1.7 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/04 14:30:58 @@ -1,10 +1,10 @@ - - - - + +
+ + A User's Guide to FreeBSD Programming Tools @@ -31,10 +31,9 @@ coding in any detail. Most of the document assumes little or no previous programming knowledge, although it is hoped that most programmers will find something of value in it - - + - + Introduction<anchor id=foo> FreeBSD offers an excellent development environment. Compilers @@ -58,9 +57,9 @@ programming, although it does assume a basic competence with using Unix and a willingness to learn! - + - + Introduction to Programming A program is a set of instructions that tell the computer to do @@ -76,7 +75,7 @@ - + Interpreters With an interpreter, the language comes as an environment, where you @@ -107,9 +106,9 @@ programs that could be linked together in shell scripts to perform useful tasks. - + - + Interpreters available with FreeBSD Here is a list of interpreters that are available as - + - + Compilers Compilers are rather different. First of all, you write your @@ -248,10 +247,10 @@ it is possible to use Emacs for this purpose. This is discussed in . + - - + Compiling with <command>cc</command> This section deals only with the GNU compiler for C and C++, @@ -527,7 +526,7 @@ - + Common <command>cc</command> Queries and Problems Q. I am trying to write a program which uses the @@ -740,14 +739,14 @@ SIGABRT, there are several other signals which have a similar effect. + - - + Make - + What is <command>make</command>? When you're working on a simple program with only one or two source @@ -800,9 +799,9 @@ are often used for documentation files like README. - + - + Example of using <command>make</command> Here's a very simple make file: @@ -878,9 +877,9 @@ very useful here—it changes the date on a file without you having to edit it. - + - + FreeBSD Makefiles Makefiles can be rather complicated to write. Fortunately, @@ -951,9 +950,9 @@ complicated (and if you do look at them, make sure you have a flask of strong coffee handy!) - + - + More advanced uses of <command>make</command> Make is a very powerful tool, and can do much @@ -987,13 +986,13 @@ Emacs, do C-h i). + - - + Debugging - + The Debugger The debugger that comes with FreeBSD is called @@ -1026,9 +1025,9 @@ gdb and does not cover specialised topics such as debugging the kernel. - + - + Running a program in the debugger You'll need to have compiled the program with the @@ -1138,9 +1137,9 @@ information about the arguments passed to functions and where to go when it returns from a function call). - + - + Examining a core file A core file is basically a file which contains the complete @@ -1191,9 +1190,9 @@ a program crashes; in this case, the bazz() function was called from main(). - + - + Attaching to a running program One of the neatest features about gdb is @@ -1227,13 +1226,13 @@ PauseMode to 0, and wait for the sleep() call to return! + - - + Using Emacs as a Development Environment - + Emacs Unfortunately, Unix systems don't come with the kind of @@ -1354,9 +1353,9 @@ background, and is only really useful if you're on a system which doesn't have virtual terminals). - + - + Configuring Emacs Emacs does many wonderful things; some of them are built in, @@ -1379,9 +1378,9 @@ it's already running; it will read the commands from the file and (hopefully) give you a useful basic setup. - + - + A sample <filename>.emacs</filename> file Unfortunately, there's far too much here to explain it in detail; @@ -1720,9 +1719,9 @@ - + - + Extending the Range of Languages Emacs Understands Now, this is all very well if you only want to program in the @@ -1782,10 +1781,10 @@ my-scheme-mode-hook for a simple example that adds auto-indent). + - - + Further Reading @@ -1831,5 +1830,5 @@ - - + +
>Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 8:41:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16F915521 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:41:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.47]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA7163; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:41:32 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA89319; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:39:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:39:14 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Charles A. Wimmer" Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Round #495 of trying to build docproj Message-ID: <19991004173914.R63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19991004125204.N63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <19991004151537.A63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <19991004151537.A63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On [19991004 16:53], Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai (asmodai@wxs.nl) wrote: >I am now pkg_delete'ing teTeX and rebuilding it and completely logging >the bastard to see where it goes wrong. Hell if I know what caused it to work this time. Did everything the same way... *sigh* Getting old, growing lame, whatever ;) teTeX finally installed correctly. And thus also jadetex and docproj. Can I have a -doc pointy hat? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best But the time has come when all good things shall pass... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 8:47:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ender.ncsa.es (ender.ncsa.es [194.179.50.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5782B15230 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@ncsa.es) Received: from ender.ncsa.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ender.ncsa.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10598; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:47:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jesusr@ncsa.es) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991004173914.R63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 17:47:04 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: jesusr@ncsa.es Organization: Nexus Comunicaciones, S.A. From: Jesus Rodriguez To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Subject: Re: Round #495 of trying to build docproj Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, "Charles A. Wimmer" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Oct-99 Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > On [19991004 16:53], Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai (asmodai@wxs.nl) wrote: >>I am now pkg_delete'ing teTeX and rebuilding it and completely logging >>the bastard to see where it goes wrong. > > Hell if I know what caused it to work this time. > > Did everything the same way... > > *sigh* > > Getting old, growing lame, whatever ;) > > teTeX finally installed correctly. > > And thus also jadetex and docproj. Congratulations!! :-) Please, can you try to build some doc on pdf format? I had to take some files from freefall for make it build at home (acrobat.map and another one). Thanks. JesusR. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 9: 8:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8EC14F06 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:08:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.47]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1A34; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:08:19 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA90399; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:08:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:08:43 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Jesus Rodriguez Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, "Charles A. Wimmer" Subject: Re: Round #495 of trying to build docproj Message-ID: <19991004180843.S63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19991004173914.R63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On [19991004 17:54], Jesus Rodriguez (jesusr@ncsa.es) wrote: > >On 04-Oct-99 Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >> >> teTeX finally installed correctly. >> >> And thus also jadetex and docproj. > >Congratulations!! :-) Thanks =) >Please, can you try to build some doc on pdf format? I had to take some files >from freefall for make it build at home (acrobat.map and another one). OK, added format pdf to my Makefile for the PDP and did a make. Well, I installed tidy September '99 version but it still gives an error 1. Need to find out what causes that. Hints are welcome though. =) And after that, 'lo and behold, a pdp.pdf. Cool. Loaded it with acroread4 and it looked gorgeous. =) I used a few things which were slightly newer than what's in ports and I will inform the appropriate maintainers of the ports. HTH, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best De nihilo nihil... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 11: 0:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AD515171 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA98439 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910041800.LAA98439@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f [1999/08/05] docs/12988 doc [Patch] Fix more occurances of 'sd' in FA o [1999/09/14] docs/13746 doc Incorrect version in FAQ o [1999/09/27] docs/13993 doc Another commercial database app for FreeB 3 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated a [1998/08/31] docs/7791 doc ipf(1) and ipfstat(1) should have been ip o [1998/09/13] docs/7914 doc no elf(5) manpage o [1998/10/25] docs/8445 doc Update of "Installing Mathematica on Free o [1999/02/14] docs/10085 doc NIS Setup Tutorial o [1999/02/14] docs/10098 doc Lack of overall guide for NIS setup o [1999/02/25] docs/10240 doc We need a script which check if our web m o [1999/03/18] docs/10664 doc Notes on 2.2.8 -> 3.1 migration o [1999/03/29] docs/10850 doc submitting a documentation change for sed o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/04/21] docs/11258 doc suggestion to refine npx.4 o [1999/06/01] docs/11978 doc timed(8) manpage does not define '-F' swi o [1999/07/22] bin/12767 doc Expand /etc/ttys manpage o [1999/08/04] docs/12951 doc missing link to japanese mailing list gui o [1999/08/04] docs/12969 doc Informacion incorrecta para versiones Fre o [1999/08/08] docs/13034 doc incorrect (old/obsolete) manpage for name o [1999/08/13] docs/13116 doc typo in ms(7) o [1999/08/15] docs/13153 doc fdc.4 has typo (a line which begin with ' o [1999/08/18] docs/13225 doc fpa.4 seems to be i386 specific and shoul o [1999/08/23] docs/13333 doc remove rtld(1) XREF in dlopen.3 o [1999/08/23] misc/13341 doc FAQ 8.7 addition - booting drive 1 from N o [1999/08/24] docs/13354 doc URL corrections for www/en/gallery/galler o [1999/08/24] docs/13356 doc Corrections to www/en/gallery/gallery.db o [1999/08/28] docs/13439 doc Update docproj.docbook.mk for palm doc fo o [1999/08/28] docs/13441 doc incorrect path in SGML_CATALOG_FILES env o [1999/08/28] docs/13442 doc docproj-primer does not mention where to o [1999/09/09] docs/13657 doc mklocale(1) man errors o [1999/09/15] docs/13763 doc ambiguity in vidcontrol(1) manpage o [1999/09/15] docs/13767 doc rstat_svc(8) manpage present, but /etc/rs o [1999/09/17] docs/13792 doc Difficult to find documentation of "secur o [1999/09/19] docs/13813 doc Commercial Vendors: NetWolves Corporation o [1999/09/19] docs/13815 doc Out-of-date FAQ entries o [1999/09/21] docs/13878 doc No isnanf(3) documentation o [1999/09/22] docs/13891 doc Submission for commerical vendor page o [1999/09/22] docs/13914 doc global(1) manpage does not explain -v opt o [1999/09/25] docs/13946 doc Various updates to handbook/kernelconfig/ o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13953 doc BRU Product Update o [1999/09/25] docs/13954 doc Listing on Consulting Page: Collective Te o [1999/09/25] docs/13956 doc commercial vendor: JAV-Associates Consult o [1999/09/25] docs/13957 doc Correction to your website for ZNYX Corp. o [1999/09/25] docs/13958 doc consultant page submission: Atlas Softwar o [1999/09/25] docs/13959 doc cgi notes o [1999/09/25] docs/13960 doc Consulting group in Melbourne, Australia o [1999/09/25] docs/13961 doc Commercial Vendors - Consulting: Peter Br o [1999/09/25] docs/13962 doc Commercial Vendors - Consulting: Internet o [1999/09/25] docs/13963 doc Request for listing in Consultants Page: o [1999/09/25] docs/13964 doc Vendor: Vancouver Internetworking o [1999/09/25] docs/13966 doc Commercial Vendor list: Parabase Technolo o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/09/25] docs/13969 doc Commercial Vendors - Hardware: ActiveWire o [1999/09/25] docs/13970 doc FreeBSD Newbie Newsletter o [1999/09/26] docs/13984 doc additional entry in hardware section o [1999/09/28] docs/14024 doc Several manpages still mentions hosts.den o [1999/09/29] docs/14035 doc tzfile.h referenced in tzfile(5) doesn't o [1999/09/30] docs/14067 doc Vendor: Aeon/Xe Technology Pte Ltd o [1999/10/04] docs/14113 doc change articles/fonts into an article o [1999/10/04] docs/14114 doc article-ify formatting-media o [1999/10/04] docs/14115 doc article-ify mh o [1999/10/04] docs/14116 doc article-ify multi-os o [1999/10/04] docs/14117 doc article-ify new-users o [1999/10/04] docs/14118 doc article-ify programming-tools (last one) 62 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 11:59:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8EB154E2 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cwimmer@wimmer.net) Received: from gort.pair.com (gort.pair.com [209.68.1.57]) by relay.pair.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24938 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:49:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charles A. Wimmer" X-Sender: cwimmer@gort.pair.com To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Re: Current unassigned doc problem reports In-Reply-To: <199910041800.LAA98439@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, Is there anyone with commit privs that would be willing to go through and commit the outstanding doc pr's that have patches? There are several that are complete except for the commit. I am willing to send a list of pr's that I have tested. I would also be willing to commit them, if I had the privs. -- Charles A. Wimmer o-|charles@wimmer.net|http://www.wimmer.net/charles #include |finger charles@wimmer.net for pgp key -----Begin Geek Code Block----- Version 3.12 GCS d? s+:+ a- C++++ UB++++ P+ L- E+++ W++ N+ o? w--- O? M-- V? PS+++ PE+++ Y+ PGP+ t+ 5 X R+ tv+ b+ DI++++ D G e* h r+++ y++++ -----End Geek Code Block---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 12:42:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF31155D7 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LAB-SERES@webtv.net) Received: from storefull-103.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.63]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id MAA21006; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-103.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/mt.gso.26Feb98) id MAA21428; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:42:05 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAsGvaYEds2IHtrIIhWJQakFkpX4wCFCNPY6MNGTFxXBR3MIuu3fg3iFZe From: LAB-SERES@webtv.net (Larry Brown) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:42:05 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: setting up printer Message-ID: <28812-37F9030D-3880@storefull-103.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org having complications trying to print. Sincere thanks and wish you a great surfing experience on the web! LAB-SERES@Web.Net Have a good day, and write soon, ya' hear!. Larry & Priscilla Have a great day! Write real soon! Larry & Pris Have a great day, and write soon. LAB-SERES@WEBTV.NET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 12:56:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2234714A2C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id VAA19964 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:56:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) id VAA01404; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:49:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19991004214928.01141@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:49:28 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: better layout for sub-homepages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/data/copyright/ The layout is similar to the homepage. The left column contain the main items (News, Software, Documentation, Support) and the item 'Copyright' with serveral sub-items of the current contents of the page (FreeBSD, BSD, GNU copyright etc.) -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 13:50:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7010614D31 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA13134; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from byzantine.student.umd.edu (byzantine.student.umd.edu [129.2.244.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F76B14D31 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:49:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@byzantine.student.umd.edu) Received: (from howardjp@localhost) by byzantine.student.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01978; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:50:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from howardjp) Message-Id: <199910042050.QAA01978@byzantine.student.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:50:16 -0400 (EDT) From: howardjp@wam.umd.edu Reply-To: howardjp@wam.umd.edu To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14129: gated(8) and htable(8) as referenced in routed(8) do not exist Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14129 >Category: docs >Synopsis: gated(8) and htable(8) as referenced in routed(8) do not exist >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Oct 4 13:50:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: James Howard >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: University of Maryland >Environment: FreeBSD byzantine.student.umd.edu 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #29: Thu Sep 30 17:06:41 EDT 1999 howardjp@byzantine.student.umd.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/BYZANTINE i386 >Description: routed(8) in the See Also section refers to gated(8) and htable(8). Neither of these man pages exist. >How-To-Repeat: man gated man htable >Fix: *** routed.8~ Sun Sep 5 13:49:11 1999 --- routed.8 Mon Oct 4 16:43:16 1999 *************** *** 668,675 **** .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr icmp 4 , .Xr udp 4 , - .Xr gated 8 , - .Xr htable 8 , .Xr rtquery 8 . .Rs .%T Internet Transport Protocols --- 668,673 ---- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 13:52:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC6214D31; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org) Received: from [212.126.149.196] (helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11YF5W-0002uK-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:52:03 +0100 Content-Length: 808 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:51:48 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: Automatic Documentation Index Cc: nik@FreeBSD.org, wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, nbm@mithrandr.moira.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 29-Sep-99 Andrew Boothman wrote: > Well, I've been quietly working away on this, and I'd like some opinions on > what I've done so far. I've been a little disappointed in the response to this. Do we think this is a worthwhile project, that we should encourage the Ports team to adopt, or should I just drop the idea? I certainly think it's a good idea, but i'll need the support of at least somebody else, otherwise it's just a one-man crusade. I need the documentation project behind me on this. Do we think that newbies and busy sysadmins alike would benifit from an index page like this or not? If so, how should we move forward toward implementing it? Thanks. --- Andrew Boothman FreeBSD UK User Group http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/~andrew/ http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 14:25:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net (ppp2-cergy.isdnet.net [194.149.184.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7958715563 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net) Received: (from robert@localhost) by ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00712; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:15:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from robert) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:15:00 +0200 From: Robert Brive To: Adam Steffes Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Handbook update Message-ID: <19991004231500.A611@ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Adam Steffes on Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 12:57:38PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 12:57:38PM -0700, Adam Steffes wrote: > > Hi. I'm not exactly sure if this is the correct address to send tidbit > ... > > DLT tapes now come in up to 70 GB (with compression) capacity. the DLT > 7000 drives from Quantum are capable of getting the most out of these DLT > "Type IV" tapes. These tapes cost around $100 each, though. > DLT 8000 (40/80GB) is replacing DLT 7000 (about the same price). > I can do to get it in there. :) > > --- > Adam Steffes > -- Robert Brive To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 14:52:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19AB14F79; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:52:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jesusr@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA17891; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:52:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:52:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199910042152.OAA17891@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za, jesusr@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/14113: change articles/fonts into an article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: change articles/fonts into an article State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jesusr State-Changed-When: Mon Oct 4 14:51:56 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Patch applied v1.5 Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 14:53:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913A0151B9; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jesusr@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA18045; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:53:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199910042153.OAA18045@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za, jesusr@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/14114: article-ify formatting-media Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: article-ify formatting-media State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jesusr State-Changed-When: Mon Oct 4 14:52:33 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Patch applied v1.8 Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 14:53:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A556414BF1; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:53:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jesusr@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA18152; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:53:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:53:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199910042153.OAA18152@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za, jesusr@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/14115: article-ify mh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: article-ify mh State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jesusr State-Changed-When: Mon Oct 4 14:53:25 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Patch applied v1.5 Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 14:54:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1445215575; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:54:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jesusr@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA18268; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199910042154.OAA18268@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za, jesusr@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/14116: article-ify multi-os Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: article-ify multi-os State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jesusr State-Changed-When: Mon Oct 4 14:54:05 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Patch applied v1.7 Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 14:56: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC431558C; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:55:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jesusr@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA18393; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:55:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:55:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199910042155.OAA18393@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za, jesusr@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/14117: article-ify new-users Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: article-ify new-users State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jesusr State-Changed-When: Mon Oct 4 14:54:49 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Patch applied v1.8 Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 15: 6:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0999D14F79; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:06:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jesusr@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA19080; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199910042206.PAA19080@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za, jesusr@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/14118: article-ify programming-tools (last one) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: article-ify programming-tools (last one) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jesusr State-Changed-When: Mon Oct 4 15:04:49 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Patch applied v1.8 Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 15:50: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7F3414CF9 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 618 invoked from network); 4 Oct 1999 22:49:55 -0000 Received: from useraf16.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.132.3) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 1999 22:49:55 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id XAA01344; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:49:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:49:56 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Andrew Boothman Cc: doc@freebsd.org, nik@freebsd.org, wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, nbm@mithrandr.moira.org Subject: Re: Automatic Documentation Index Message-ID: <19991004234956.A977@marder-1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 09:51:48PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: > > On 29-Sep-99 Andrew Boothman wrote: > > Well, I've been quietly working away on this, and I'd like some opinions on > > what I've done so far. > > I've been a little disappointed in the response to this. Do we think > this is a worthwhile project, that we should encourage the Ports > team to adopt, or should I just drop the idea? > Seems like a good thing to me. I've just tried it out (had to change the paths to the FAQ and Handbook for the DocBook docs). There are quite a few ports that install docs other than (& sometimes instead of) manpages but don't advertise the fact. As a temporary solution, until the +DOC files are added, how about looking for html files in the +CONTENTS files? Something like # cd /var/db/pkg # grep '\.html$' */+CONTENTS and parsing the output in some way (e.g. if there are several .html files installed including "index.html" then just list the index and ignore the others). It's not perfect, but it would dig out all the "hidden" documentation. I've only ever dabbled with perl so I can't guarantee to make it work, but I'll have a go at implementing this if you feel that it's worthwhile. > I certainly think it's a good idea, but i'll need the support of at > least somebody else, otherwise it's just a one-man crusade. I need > the documentation project behind me on this. > > Do we think that newbies and busy sysadmins alike would benifit from > an index page like this or not? If so, how should we move forward > toward implementing it? > > Thanks. > > --- > Andrew Boothman > FreeBSD UK User Group > http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/~andrew/ > http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 16: 4: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EE515065; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA74826; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:27:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:27:38 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Andrew Boothman Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, nik@FreeBSD.org, wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, nbm@mithrandr.moira.org Subject: Re: Automatic Documentation Index Message-ID: <19991004232738.A74011@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Boothman on Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 09:51:48PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 09:51:48PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: > On 29-Sep-99 Andrew Boothman wrote: > > Well, I've been quietly working away on this, and I'd like some opinions on > > what I've done so far. > > I've been a little disappointed in the response to this. Do we think this is a > worthwhile project, that we should encourage the Ports team to adopt, Yes, sort of. As another message of mine explains, I'm swamped in the aftermath of moving house at the moment, which means that anything that requires any effort on my part greater than a "Read it and inwardly digest" gets moved to the "Look at it over the weekend" pile. Yours is right at the top of that pile, in no small part because I kickstarted the idea in the first place. I'd feel horribly guilty if I then ignored it. Has there been any interest from the ports team one way or another? N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 16: 4:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEF515536; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA73675; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:19:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:19:06 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: nik@freebsd.org Subject: Non-appearance recently Message-ID: <19991004231906.A70372@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm Bcc'ing this to everyone that I think's likely to have noticed my absence for the past week or so. I've just moved house. I thought this would take about 3 days, all told. Ha! 5 days in, and some things still aren't working properly. This has seriously affected my free time in the evenings, which is why I haven't been particularly active on my usual mailing lists. Some of you have probably sent me documentation for review, or asked questions that I haven't replied to yet. Sorry about that, and I hope to clear the backlog this coming weekend. If you need a response from me about something urgent, please resend it to me with "URGENT" at the front of the subject line, and I'll prioritise it for a reply. Thanks for your understanding. N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 16:24:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from imap.ncsa.es (imap.ncsa.es [194.179.50.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FB614FB7; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@chuck.jerocu.net) Received: from chuck.jerocu.net (chuck.jerocu.net [194.224.235.59]) by imap.ncsa.es (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA61632; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from jesusr@localhost) by chuck.jerocu.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05997; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:24:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:24:32 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: jesusr@ncsa.es Organization: Nexus Comunicaciones, S.A. From: Jesus Rodriguez To: Andrew Boothman Subject: RE: Automatic Documentation Index Cc: nbm@mithrandr.moira.org, wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, nik@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Oct-99 Andrew Boothman wrote: > I certainly think it's a good idea, but i'll need the support of at least > somebody else, otherwise it's just a one-man crusade. I need the > documentation > project behind me on this. > > Do we think that newbies and busy sysadmins alike would benifit from an index > page like this or not? If so, how should we move forward toward implementing > it? I think it's a good idea, and a "value add" for ports collection and users. Saludos JesusR. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 16:55:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF4B14EDC for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:55:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org ([216.62.157.60]) by mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FJ30064VRSHRO@mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net> for doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:55:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA91366 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:55:18 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) X-URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~chris/ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:55:15 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Install docs inadequate? To: doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <19991004185514.C86678@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT (i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've heard from at least one person -- and I will find out from others -- that the documentation for installing FreeBSD from non-CDROM media is not very good. So should we make it more concise, or leave it the way it is, or at least set up some better cross-referencing between parts of the handbook section? -- |Chris Costello |To err is human; to forgive, beyond the scope of the Operating System. `---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 4 23:52:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B2DB414BE2 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:52:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 4743 invoked by uid 1003); 5 Oct 1999 06:55:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:55:01 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Andrew Boothman Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG, wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de Subject: Re: Automatic Documentation Index Message-ID: <19991005085501.A1879@rucus.ru.ac.za> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 1999-10-04 (21:51), Andrew Boothman wrote: > I've been a little disappointed in the response to this. Do we think > this is a worthwhile project, that we should encourage the Ports team > to adopt, or should I just drop the idea? Apathy is something you have to deal with sometimes, especially when no-one specifically feels it is in their "job description". For example, this should probably go to -ports, where a whole bunch of people will say "No, this is just adding more work to the porters!", and hopefully someone respected will say "wow, what a great idea", and everyone else will shut up. > I certainly think it's a good idea, but i'll need the support of at > least somebody else, otherwise it's just a one-man crusade. I need the > documentation project behind me on this. Consider the documentation project behind you ;) Seriously, if noone says "bah, this is a stupid idea", they're probably just waiting for the patches to be applied. At the very least, I'm behind this one for you, if that means anything, as it was on my TODO list, and I believe Nik's one too. Just shout (like I suggested) if you need help with ports/package tool patches - I'm pretty comfortable in them. > Do we think that newbies and busy sysadmins alike would benifit from > an index page like this or not? If so, how should we move forward > toward implementing it? Patches, and then submitting it to the PR system. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 0:12:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7684B15301 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.229]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA7309; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:12:04 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA98079; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:08:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:08:16 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Chris Costello Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Install docs inadequate? Message-ID: <19991005090816.A98066@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19991004185514.C86678@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <19991004185514.C86678@holly.calldei.com> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On [19991005 04:12], Chris Costello (chris@calldei.com) wrote: > I've heard from at least one person -- and I will find out >from others -- that the documentation for installing FreeBSD from >non-CDROM media is not very good. Ask them what they feel is missing, otherwise you will start adding stuff to the handbook which isn't what they wanted to hear/see. > So should we make it more concise, or leave it the way it is, >or at least set up some better cross-referencing between parts of >the handbook section? We could use some more on installing. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Fame is the perfume of heroic deeds. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 0:16:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823D31507B for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:16:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.229]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA2A3; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:16:34 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA98092; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:15:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:15:00 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Larry Brown Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: setting up printer Message-ID: <19991005091500.B98066@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <28812-37F9030D-3880@storefull-103.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <28812-37F9030D-3880@storefull-103.bryant.webtv.net> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On [19991004 22:44], Larry Brown (LAB-SERES@webtv.net) wrote: >having complications trying to print. The freebsd-doc mailinglist is not the mailinglist you probably wanted to mail and ask for questions. This is the mailinglist for documentation related efforts. Please mail to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org and be very detailed about what exactly is not working when you try to print or set up printing. HTH, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Like cures like... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 0:16:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDA31524F for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.229]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAB2A3; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:16:35 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA98100; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:17:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:17:03 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: better layout for sub-homepages Message-ID: <19991005091703.C98066@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19991004214928.01141@panke.de.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <19991004214928.01141@panke.de.freebsd.org> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On [19991004 22:44], Wolfram Schneider (wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) wrote: >http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/data/copyright/ > >The layout is similar to the homepage. The left column contain the >main items (News, Software, Documentation, Support) and the item >'Copyright' with serveral sub-items of the current >contents of the page (FreeBSD, BSD, GNU copyright etc.) IMHO it makes it easier to quick-navigate on the page without having to scroll up and down before finding that item you wanted. I think it's a welcome change. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Misery loves company. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 0:24:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4898115599; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:23:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.229]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAB0B; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:23:35 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA98119; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:22:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:22:15 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Mark Ovens Cc: Andrew Boothman , doc@freebsd.org, nik@freebsd.org, wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, nbm@mithrandr.moira.org Subject: Re: Automatic Documentation Index Message-ID: <19991005092215.D98066@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19991004234956.A977@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <19991004234956.A977@marder-1> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On [19991005 04:12], Mark Ovens (mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) wrote: >Seems like a good thing to me. I've just tried it out (had to change >the paths to the FAQ and Handbook for the DocBook docs). There are >quite a few ports that install docs other than (& sometimes instead >of) manpages but don't advertise the fact. Well, on an aside from this. We don't really give guidelines for port-makers where to put documentation, do we? Should we? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best My name is Legion: for we are many. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 0:26:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AA38B1534F for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 12977 invoked by uid 1003); 5 Oct 1999 07:28:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:28:46 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: "Charles A. Wimmer" Cc: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Re: Current unassigned doc problem reports Message-ID: <19991005092846.A11817@rucus.ru.ac.za> References: <199910041800.LAA98439@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 1999-10-04 (14:49), Charles A. Wimmer wrote: > Is there anyone with commit privs that would be willing to go > through and commit the outstanding doc pr's that have patches? There are > several that are complete except for the commit. I don't have commit privileges, but here's my advice: > I am willing to send a list of pr's that I have tested. I would > also be willing to commit them, if I had the privs. Send the list of pr's to the list - a "I've tested these and they've worked" notice is very helpful, especially if the person sending the notices builds up a reputation of being accurate. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 0:49:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A3E14BF1; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:48:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA26025; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:38:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA05779; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:38:04 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:38:04 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: jkoshy@freebsd.org Cc: wosch@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: better layout for sub-homepages Message-ID: <19991005093803.E4683@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <19991004214928.01141@panke.de.freebsd.org> <199910050417.VAA44322@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199910050417.VAA44322@freefall.freebsd.org>; from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 09:17:47PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [cc: freebsd-doc] On 1999-10-04 21:17:47 -0700, jkoshy@FreeBSD.org wrote: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/data/copyright/ > > This page looks really good under Netscape, but what you see with Lynx > (I have v2.8.3dev5) is surprising :(. Not surprising for me (Lynx Version 2.7.1). First the contents of the page and at the bottom the links. The same layout as the FreeBSD homepage. I wish we had a short description (3-10 lines) for every copyright, e.g.: FreeBSD Copyright Information [1]The FreeBSD Copyright This is the FreeBSD Copyright and preferred for new code. There are some small differences between the FreeBSD Copyright and the orginal BSD Copyright [...] [2]The BSD Copyright The orginal BSD Copyright from Berkeley. [some history ....] [3]The BSD Daemon The little red fellow that graces many of these pages is the BSD Daemon. In the context of Unix systems, daemons are process that run in the background attending to various tasks without human intervention. [Copyright holder Kirk, the name is not Chuck ...] [4]FreeBSD Ports redistribution restrictions Some of the ports in this directory have restrictive copyrights prohibiting their actual redistribution on mass media (FTP, CDROM, DVD) [...] [5]GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE An other Open Source license. [6]GNU LIBRARY GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE An other Open Source license for libraries, see below. [7]News [8]Software [9]Documentation [10]Support Copyright [11]FreeBSD [12]4.4BSD [13]BSD Daemon [14]FreeBSD Ports [15]GNU GPL [16]GNU LGPL [17]Search for: __________ Go [18][Home] _________________________________________________________________ [19]freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Copyright © 1995-1999 FreeBSD Inc. All rights reserved. $FreeBSD: www/en/copyright/copyright.sgml,v 1.4 1999/09/06 07:02:42 peter Exp $ > Also, your message didn't indicate the scope of the proposed change: > > a) do we propose to automagically generate HTML in this form from DocBook > or is this layout meant for hand created web pages only? currently for hand created web pages only. > b) which of our web pages would be likely candidates for conversion? The index and "meta" pages http://www.freebsd.org/news/news.html http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html http://www.freebsd.org/support.html http://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html http://www.freebsd.org/projects/projects.html http://www.freebsd.org/gallery/gallery.html http://www.freebsd.org/ports/index.html http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/commercial.html http://www.freebsd.org/internal/internal.html http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/copyright.html http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 1:12:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A5915205; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA63455; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199910050812.BAA63455@freefall.freebsd.org> To: phantom@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, phantom@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/14129: gated(8) and htable(8) as referenced in routed(8) do not exist Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: gated(8) and htable(8) as referenced in routed(8) do not exist Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->phantom Responsible-Changed-By: phantom Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Oct 5 00:59:34 PDT 1999 Responsible-Changed-Why: This is known problem: gated(1) is port, so usually it does not exists. I will close PR after commiting workaround for such cases. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 1:26:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC03B14D57 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08911; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: chris@calldei.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install docs inadequate? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:55:15 CDT." <19991004185514.C86678@holly.calldei.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:25:13 -0700 Message-ID: <8907.939111913@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So should we make it more concise, or leave it the way it is, > or at least set up some better cross-referencing between parts of > the handbook section? There's almost no such thing as a doc which cannot be made better and whether or not it's "sufficient" is a largely subjective matter. Either way, you are always welcome to improve it. The docs are checked in to /usr/src/release/texts :) - Jordan > > -- > |Chris Costello > |To err is human; to forgive, beyond the scope of the Operating System. > `---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 1:39:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A8E1520E for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:39:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01427; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:32:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA08170; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:32:43 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:32:43 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Wolfram Schneider , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: better layout for sub-homepages Message-ID: <19991005103242.A5836@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <19991004214928.01141@panke.de.freebsd.org> <19991005091703.C98066@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19991005091703.C98066@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Tue, Oct 05, 1999 at 09:17:03AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1999-10-05 09:17:03 +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > On [19991004 22:44], Wolfram Schneider (wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) wrote: > >http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/data/copyright/ > > > >The layout is similar to the homepage. The left column contain the > >main items (News, Software, Documentation, Support) and the item > >'Copyright' with serveral sub-items of the current > >contents of the page (FreeBSD, BSD, GNU copyright etc.) > > IMHO it makes it easier to quick-navigate on the page without having to > scroll up and down before finding that item you wanted. > > I think it's a welcome change. The most important questions is: who will write (and test!!!) the code for the HTML pages? There are at least 13 HTML pages to fix. (see my other mail http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?id=19991005093803.E4683 ) I don't have the time to do that myself. -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 2: 6:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D27B914FE2 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 42688 invoked by uid 1003); 5 Oct 1999 09:06:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:06:45 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: "Charles A. Wimmer" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/10085: NIS Setup Tutorial Message-ID: <19991005110645.A39583@rucus.ru.ac.za> References: <199910022130.OAA36503@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <199910022130.OAA36503@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat 1999-10-02 (14:30), Charles A. Wimmer wrote: > I have formated the NIS article from Issue #3 of the FreeBSDzine > in the Docbook format. It would answer both docs/10085 and docs/10098. > > It can be found at: > > http://www.wimmer.net/charles/article.sgml Hi, I've reformatted it roughly into the style more used by the doc project: blah blah blah blah blah blah. foo, not foo (same for filename) and its contents are always on the left margin (they're whitespace-sensitive). Use for notes. Use instead of for mentioning lines to be added/changed in a file whilst in a paragraph context. Don't put non-screen stuff in . (actually, not sure on this one) I've put the resulting article.sgml at http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/article.sgml for perusal. (requires the addition of &man.ypbind.8;, see my next PR.) We should probably change # to &prompt.root;, but I'm not sure of all the contexts yet. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 5:15:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from butler-se.pnu.com (butler-se.pnu.com [193.235.229.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E567D15216 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 05:15:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jerker.jorbrand@eu.pnu.com) Received: from inet-1.pnu.com (inet-1.pnu.com [192.36.176.26]) by butler-se.pnu.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20147 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:15:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from itat002031 by inet-1.pnu.com (8.8.8/1.1.22.3/29Jun99-0950AM) id OAA0000025389; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:15:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000b01bf0f2b$2e413920$6053640a@itat002031.sesto.eu.pnu.com> From: "Jerker" To: Subject: Manual Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:14:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF0F3B.F1B325C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF0F3B.F1B325C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI! =20 I have a little question concerning the manual that is online, Is it = possible for me to download the whole manual in a single .html or .pdf = file,,, or something... =20 P.S. 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF0F3B.F1B325C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 5:48:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.ee.ncku.edu.tw (turtle.ee.ncku.edu.tw [140.116.72.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0A715015 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 05:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tung@turtle.ee.ncku.edu.tw) Received: (from tung@localhost) by turtle.ee.ncku.edu.tw (8.9.2/8.9.2) id UAA36729 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:47:27 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from tung) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:47:27 +0800 From: Chung-Kie Tung To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Would you please add ftp4.tw.freebsd.org to mirror list? Message-ID: <19991005204727.A36456@turtle.ee.ncku.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello... We have setup a server with domain name ftp4.tw.freebsd.org which mirrors the ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD. Our mirror path is ftp://ftp4.tw.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD Would you please add this server to the mirror site list on the FreeBSD handbook? It would be greatly appreciated. By the way, the first page of www.freebsd.org will show some strange tags like '?TD>' on my browser, I guess this is caused of using some non-english character in the html source. It is at about line 96.       Would you please correct this too? tung To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 6:40:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D02A15842 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:37:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.org) Received: from earth.fxp (oca-bn5k-39.mfi.net [209.26.31.55]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91C09B20; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: jedgar@earth.fxp To: Jerker Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Manual In-Reply-To: <000b01bf0f2b$2e413920$6053640a@itat002031.sesto.eu.pnu.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Jerker wrote: > HI! > > I have a little question concerning the manual that is online, Is it possible for me to download the whole manual in a single .html or .pdf file,,, or something... > If you look at the top of http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/index.html, it says: The latest version of this document is always available from the FreeBSD World Wide Web server. It may also be downloaded in a variety of formats and compression options from the FreeBSD FTP server or one of the numerous mirror sites. with links to the FreeBSD FTP server where the other formats are located. ----- Chris D. Faulhaber | All the true gurus I've met never System/Network Administrator, | claimed they were one and always Reality Check Information, Inc. | pointed to someone better. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 13:50:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.psn.net (saturn.psn.net [207.211.58.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766A31564E; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:49:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (5042-243.008.popsite.net [209.224.140.243]) by saturn.psn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27952; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:57:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10476; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:47:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990901022030.D377@ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 16:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Robert Brive , Nik Clayton Subject: Re: RFW: Using a CD writer with FreeBSD Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [reviving old thread..] On 01-Sep-99 Robert Brive wrote: > Got the same drive (firmware 1.0f) and it's working well with > FreeBSD 3.2 (cdrecord). > I've also used for years (since 2.2.1?), the CDD2600 (Philips). > Feel free to contact me if you need help on the technical aspect and > for the french translation :-) ... I have now finally upgraded my firmware to 1.0g and am going to be writing the documentation for CD writers. Nik, Robert, feel free to give me any suggestions, guidelines, etc. as I haven't written any documentation before. (Rest assured that I will be consulting the Handbook/FAQ and the appropriate sections of each that apply to this type of document.) It should be noted, however, that my documentation will be biased to SCSI CD writers, as the only one I have is a SCSI. Any other -doc folks who have a writer that are interested in writing the documentation for ATAPI/IDE-type CD writers.. feel free to take a shot. :-) -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 16:43: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC7A156A4; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org) Received: from [212.126.148.228] (helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11YeCf-0004CS-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:41:05 +0100 Content-Length: 1531 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991004234956.A977@marder-1> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:40:53 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: Mark Ovens Subject: Re: Automatic Documentation Index Cc: nbm@mithrandr.moira.org, wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, nik@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, Andrew Boothman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Oct-99 Mark Ovens wrote: > Seems like a good thing to me. I've just tried it out (had to change > the paths to the FAQ and Handbook for the DocBook docs). There are > quite a few ports that install docs other than (& sometimes instead > of) manpages but don't advertise the fact. Exactly. Hence the need to index them. > As a temporary solution, until the +DOC files are added, how about > looking for html files in the +CONTENTS files? Something like > > # cd /var/db/pkg > # grep '\.html$' */+CONTENTS > > and parsing the output in some way (e.g. if there are several .html > files installed including "index.html" then just list the index > and ignore the others). It's not perfect, but it would dig out all > the "hidden" documentation. I fully understand what you're getting at here. And I can see how this would work. I'm a little worried about the possability that this could pick up on installed files that arn't actually documentation. I'm not sure if it's likely, but it would really confuse a user to be pointed to files that aren't documentation. Plus, in the +DOCS file we have a description of the file that we're linking to, we wouldn't know what the file is if we link to it this way. Plus, we don't want the ports folk to think that this negates the need to retrofit +DOCS files to as many ports as possible. What are everyone else's opinions on this? --- Andrew Boothman FreeBSD UK User Group http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/~andrew/ http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 16:43: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A11E156BE; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org) Received: from [212.126.148.228] (helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11YeCk-0004CX-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:41:10 +0100 Content-Length: 1531 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991005085501.A1879@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:40:59 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: Automatic Documentation Index Cc: wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, nik@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Andrew Boothman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Oct-99 Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > For example, this should probably go to -ports, where a whole bunch > of people will say "No, this is just adding more work to the > porters!", and hopefully someone respected will say "wow, what a > great idea", and everyone else will shut up. OK. Thanks. I will take this to -ports, and get their opinions. Once we have a working solution, should this go to -hackers to see if someone will add it to -current, or should it just be submitted as a PR as you suggest? >> I certainly think it's a good idea, but i'll need the support of at >> least somebody else, otherwise it's just a one-man crusade. I need the >> documentation project behind me on this. > > Consider the documentation project behind you ;) > > Seriously, if noone says "bah, this is a stupid idea", they're > probably just waiting for the patches to be applied. > > At the very least, I'm behind this one for you, if that means > anything, as it was on my TODO list, and I believe Nik's one too. > Just shout (like I suggested) if you need help with ports/package > tool patches - I'm pretty comfortable in them. I think it may be a good idea for you to look at the tools for me. I would have a go but I can't even find the source for them on my system. And if it's in C it's likely to beyond my programming skills. :-) Please understand that it's the first time I've particpated significantly in something like this. I don't need my hand held, I just want to make sure that I'm doing this properly. Thanks all. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 5 16:43: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C934F156C4; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:42:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org) Received: from [212.126.148.228] (helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11YeCZ-0004CK-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:41:00 +0100 Content-Length: 1361 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991004232738.A74011@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:40:47 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Automatic Documentation Index Cc: nbm@mithrandr.moira.org, wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, doc@freebsd.org, Andrew Boothman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Oct-99 Nik Clayton wrote: > Yes, sort of. As another message of mine explains, I'm swamped in the > aftermath of moving house at the moment, which means that anything that > requires any effort on my part greater than a "Read it and inwardly digest" > gets moved to the "Look at it over the weekend" pile. Sorry, i missed this message of yours. I think I've accidentally become unsubscribed to -doc when I unsubscribed to -stable and -questions to cut down on my daily amount of mail when I went away for a few days. Should be back on by now. > Yours is right at the top of that pile, in no small part because I > kickstarted the idea in the first place. I'd feel horribly guilty if I > then ignored it. Thanks. I just got nervous when i heard little/nothing about this. I didn't want to dedicate time to something that didn't have general approval! As I mentioned before, I don't need hand-holding, I just wanted to make sure that I was doing the right thing. > Has there been any interest from the ports team one way or another? I havn't heard anything from -ports since the tiny (one?) reply to your original post. Once we've finalised exactly what we need them to do, I'll send them a msg describing so. --- Andrew Boothman FreeBSD UK User Group http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/~andrew/ http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 2: 2:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623B014E42 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA41587; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 8431814FD5; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19991006085656.8431814FD5@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:56:56 -0700 (PDT) From: efrias@sg505.net To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/14158: md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 algorithm to be secure Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14158 >Category: docs >Synopsis: md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 algorithm to be secure >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Oct 6 02:00:00 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Eric Frias >Release: 3.2-RELEASE >Organization: >Environment: >Description: [Warning: I am not a cryptographer] The md5(1) manpage states: It is con- jectured that it is computationally infeasible to produce two messages having the same message digest, or to produce any message having a given prespecified target message digest. The MD5 algorithm is intended for digital signature applications, where a large file must be ``compressed'' in a secure manner before being encrypted with a private (secret) key un- der a public-key cryptosystem such as RSA. It is my understanding that MD5 is no longer considered suitable for cryptographic applications, since certain attacks have been developed. The RSADSI FAQ provides several references. See http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/faq/3-6-6.html If this is indeed the case, the manpage should be revised to mention the weakness. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Have someone who understands cryptography review the information and decide if the supposed weaknesses in the alogorithm warrant revision to the manpage. Perhaps mention another, more secure, hashing program from the manpage if one exists. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 3:40:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5D814D49 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:40:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA48880; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C9714FE5 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:33:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA48456; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:33:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <199910061033.DAA48456@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:33:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Reply-To: wosch@FreeBSD.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14159: Commercial Vendors - Software: Deskware, Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14159 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Commercial Vendors - Software: Deskware, Inc. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Oct 6 03:40:00 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Wolfram Schneider >Release: FreeBSD 3.3-RC i386 >Organization: >Environment: Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 12:50:15 -0400 From: Matthew Dean Reply-To: dean@deskware.com Organization: Deskware, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Commercial Vendors - Software Dear FreeBSD.org, I would like to let you know that Deskware, Inc. (http://www.deskware.com) is a commercial company that supports a FreeBSD product - CobolScript?. CobolScript is a COBOL-like interpreted language with specialized syntax for file processing, CGI programming, and internetworking. CobolScript also has a wide range of advanced math and business functions available to facilitate quick and easy calculating. For additional information on CobolScript, see http://www.cobolscript.com or http://www.deskware.com. Sample applications can be found at http://www.cobolscript.com/cgi-bin/cobolscript.exe?samples.cbl. Best Regards, Matt Dean President, CEO Deskware, Inc. dean@deskware.com >Description: >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 5: 4:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C478714EDA; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29866; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:04:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061204.IAA29866@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199910061121.HAA19671@blackhelicopters.org> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 08:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: mwlucas@gltg.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: make docs broken? Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [copied to -doc, please send all replies there and not to -stable] On 06-Oct-99 mwlucas@gltg.com wrote: > Thanks much! > > Perhaps this should be documented in the Makefile or a README under > /usr/doc? If not, where would I look to learn this? It's not documented anywhere obvious, and perhaps that should be fixed. Perhaps the makefiles should check for an existing directory before creating the symlinks and then warn the user? What does the rest of -doc think? >> On 06-Oct-99 mwlucas@gltg.com wrote: >> > The make runs well enough, but make install chokes: >> >> [snip] >> >> > /usr/share/doc/handbook -> >> > /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook >> > rm: handbook: is a directory >> > *** Error code 1 >> >> Delete your old copies of the docs in >> /usr/share/doc/{faq,handbook,tutorials} before running the install. >> It's trying to create symlinks from the old locations to the new >> locations but the old locations still exist. You'll only have to do >> this once. >> >> > ==ml --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 6:28:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66F1152AD for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Yr71-000Jbz-00 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:28:07 +0200 Received: (qmail 33366 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Oct 1999 13:25:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:25:49 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: FreeBSD Documentation Project Subject: Style Challenge! Message-ID: <19991006152549.A33181@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, (First of all, excuses to those who understand what the topic refers to.) I've just re-indented and re-marked-up all the articles, and here's the rules of thumb I used, and would like discussion on: (I used vim with 'set ai sts=2 ts=8 sw=2 tw=70') . 70 column wrap? (Emacs' sgml-mode seemed to give me that, when sgml-fill worked properly) . Two spaces after '.' . No spaces at the end of a line (including no "empty" lines with spaces in them - is it Emacs that does this?) . Ignoring the above for / . Try not to use around , , , if at all possible. . Treat , , , , , , as block tags. . Always separate tags with tags on same indent level by an empty line, and no empty line on reducing/increasing indent - foo foo and: foo foo . Always close inline tags on the same line as its contents - ie, never: foo foo blah blah blah Any comments? (oh, and does it matter about combining whitespace/markup/content changes in the articles at this point, without any translations?) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 6:30:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8B21544A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA62445; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9E4152B6 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:28:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Yr73-000Jbz-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:28:09 +0200 Received: (qmail 33113 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Oct 1999 12:39:15 -0000 Message-Id: <19991006123915.33112.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 6 Oct 1999 12:39:15 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14163: fix handbook symlink install problem with old version installed Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14163 >Category: docs >Synopsis: fix handbook symlink install problem with old version installed >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Oct 6 06:30:02 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: The 'symlinks' target uses rm -f to remove any already existing symlinks; in the case of /usr/share/doc/handbook this is a directory, not a symlink. It should probably be rm -rf instead. >How-To-Repeat: mkdir /usr/share/doc/handbook cd /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books && make install >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: doc.subdir.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /home/nbm/ncvs/doc/share/mk/doc.subdir.mk,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 doc.subdir.mk --- doc.subdir.mk 1999/09/06 06:53:39 1.2 +++ doc.subdir.mk 1999/10/06 12:34:20 @@ -106,7 +106,7 @@ ${ECHO} "$${d}/$${l} doesn't exist, not linking"; \ else \ ${ECHO} $${d}/$${t} -\> $${d}/$${l}; \ - (cd $${d} && rm -f $${t}); \ + (cd $${d} && rm -rf $${t}); \ (cd $${d} && ln -s $${l} $${t}); \ fi; \ done >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 6:41: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0FB1565C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03514; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:39:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:39:56 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Subject: Re: Style Challenge! In-Reply-To: <19991006152549.A33181@mithrandr.moria.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > Hi, > > . Two spaces after '.' > No!!!! I can't see why you should even think about this. > > . Always close inline tags on the same line as its contents - ie, never: > > foo foo blah blah blah > > What if they are multiline? What if the other enclosing tags that end before the don't fit on a single line? > Any comments? > > (oh, and does it matter about combining whitespace/markup/content > changes in the articles at this point, without any translations?) > The translator will really hate any pure formatting style changes. > Neil > -- > Neil Blakey-Milner > nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 7: 4:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBA515224; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:04:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jesusr@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA16566; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesusr@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:04:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199910061404.HAA16566@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za, jesusr@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/14163: fix handbook symlink install problem with old version installed Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: fix handbook symlink install problem with old version installed State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jesusr State-Changed-When: Wed Oct 6 07:00:38 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Commited, Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 7: 9:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F8B15197; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:08:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p15-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.163.200.112]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id XAA02215; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:08:14 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37FB493E.FBF9852D@newsguy.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 22:06:06 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris@calldei.com Cc: mwlucas@gltg.com, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stupid Newbie questions (was re: developer assessment) References: <199910051511.LAA16509@blackhelicopters.org> <19991005164126.I86678@holly.calldei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Costello wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 05, 1999, mwlucas@gltg.com wrote: > > Might the following be helpful? Or, does it exist somewhere on the net now? > > > > http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~dispatch/stupid-bsd-questions.txt > > > > If it is of any use, I'll clean it up for general consumption. > > This is a very interesting article! Perhaps it could go into > the handbook, or perhaps be an article of its own. It's, indeed, an excellent article. Hey, Nik, any place we can fit this in? This ought to have a link to somewhere from the "Doc" section in www.freebsd.org. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "I always feel generous when I'm in the inner circle of a conspiracy to subvert the world order and, with a small group of allies, just defeated an alien invasion. Maybe I should value myself a little more?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 7:49:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5C114BE7 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:49:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11YsNN-000LXv-00 for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:49:06 +0200 Received: (qmail 34743 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Oct 1999 14:43:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:43:09 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Narvi Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Message-ID: <19991006164309.A33390@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <19991006152549.A33181@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Narvi on Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 04:39:56PM +0300 Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed 1999-10-06 (16:39), Narvi wrote: > > . Two spaces after '.' > > > > No!!!! I can't see why you should even think about this. It's much more readable in my opinion, and it does seem to be the way things are being done currently. > > . Always close inline tags on the same line as its contents - ie, never: > > > > foo foo blah blah blah > > > > > > What if they are multiline? What if the other enclosing tags that end > before the don't fit on a single line? What I mean is, on the same line as the last line of its contents: Not: foo foo bah bah bah baz baz baz But: foo foo bah bah bah bah bah bah (assuming the column break is at the obvious point) > > (oh, and does it matter about combining whitespace/markup/content > > changes in the articles at this point, without any translations?) > > The translator will really hate any pure formatting style changes. There are no translations, to my knowledge, that correspond to the English articles, as opposed to the books (handbook, faq, &c.). I'm wondering if we're going to be pedantic about it at the moment (considering the sheer magnitude of the changes), or if I'll get away with it this time on a warning *grin*. (Basically, I have all the articles done, and I'd like to know whether the assumptions I've made above are acceptable, and if they are, about making them the style for such things in the future. I especially want to know if getting the style above to DTRT in Emacs is possible, since I'd rather use a style that's easy to use in both vim and Emacs.) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 7:50:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360781522D for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA20178; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4F7155B3 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:49:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11YsNJ-000LXv-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:49:01 +0200 Received: (qmail 34123 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Oct 1999 14:24:29 -0000 Message-Id: <19991006142429.34122.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 6 Oct 1999 14:24:29 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14165: FDP introduction article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14165 >Category: docs >Synopsis: FDP introduction article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Oct 6 07:50:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: This provides an index of the (English) documentation provided by the FreeBSD Documentation Project. It installs as /usr/share/doc/index.en_US.ISO_8859-1.html, and index.html is symlinked to it, if English is the primary language. This could be used as an index for a web server whose root is /usr/share/doc (which is what I have). >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: # This is a shell archive. Save it in a file, remove anything before # this line, and then unpack it by entering "sh file". Note, it may # create directories; files and directories will be owned by you and # have default permissions. # # This archive contains: # # introduction # introduction/article.sgml # introduction/Makefile # echo c - introduction mkdir -p introduction > /dev/null 2>&1 echo x - introduction/article.sgml sed 's/^X//' >introduction/article.sgml << 'END-of-introduction/article.sgml' X X%man; X X%authors; X]> X X
X X Introduction to FreeBSD Documentation X X X The FreeBSD Documentation Project X X
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X X X X X 1999 X The FreeBSD Documentation X Project X X X September 1999 X X X This is an overview of the documents in the FreeBSD X Documentation Project. X X X X X Books X X X The FreeBSD Handbook X X The FreeBSD X Handbook is the reference for X the installation and day-to-day running of the latest FreeBSD X release. X X It also covers the history of the FreeBSD Project, and the X names of contributors and developers, and contact addresses X for various important people and mailing lists. X X X X The FreeBSD FAQ X X The FreeBSD X FAQ contains Frequently Asked Questions about X FreeBSD and the FreeBSD Project, and answers to them. X X X X The FreeBSD Documentation Project Primer X X Want to contribute to the Documentation Project? Read the X FreeBSD X Documentation Project Primer to learn how! X X X X The Pedantic PPP Primer X X The Pedantic PPP X Primer is a step-by-step guide to using user-mode X ppp, the preferred method to do ppp and dial-up on X FreeBSD! X X X X X Articles X X X New Users Guide X X The New X Users' Guide is an overview of concepts integral to X understanding FreeBSD and other Unix-like operating system, X aimed at new users. X X X X Installing and using FreeBSD with other operating X systems X X The Multi-Os X tutorial explains how to run multiple operating X systems on your computer (also known as dual-booting or X multi-booting). X X X X Formatting Media X X A how-to on X formatting media for use with FreeBSD, covering hard X disks, adding swap space, copying contents of disks, and X striping disks using CCD. X X X X Fonts and FreeBSD X X A tutorial on using X fonts in FreeBSD, on virtual consoles and in X applications like X, ghostscript, and groff. X X X X MH X X The MH X primer on the use of the suite of mail tools X included in the application MH. X X X X Programming Tools on FreeBSD X X An overview of available Programming X Tools available on FreeBSD, both in the base system, X and in ports. X X X X
END-of-introduction/article.sgml echo x - introduction/Makefile sed 's/^X//' >introduction/Makefile << 'END-of-introduction/Makefile' X# X# $FreeBSD$ X# X# Build the Introducation to FreeBSD Documentation X# X XMAINTAINER= nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za X XMASTERDOC?= ${.CURDIR}/article.sgml XDOC?= index.${LANGCODE} X XFORMATS?= html XLANGCODE= en_US.ISO_8859-1 X XINSTALL_COMPRESSED?= XINSTALL_ONLY_COMPRESSED?= X X# SGML content XSRCS= article.sgml X XDESTDIR?= ${DOCDIR}/ X XDOC_PREFIX?= ${.CURDIR}/../../.. X.include "${DOC_PREFIX}/share/mk/doc.project.mk" X Xsymlinks: X.if ${PRI_LANG} == ${LANGCODE} X.for _tmp in ${FORMATS} X (cd ${DOCDIR} && ln -sf ${DOC}.${_tmp} ${DOC:R:R}.${_tmp}) X.endfor X.endif X END-of-introduction/Makefile exit >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 8: 4:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80C114CD3; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:04:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20394; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:04:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <199910061504.LAA20394@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: Stupid Newbie questions (was re: developer assessment) In-Reply-To: <37FB493E.FBF9852D@newsguy.com> from "Daniel C. Sobral" at "Oct 6, 1999 10: 6: 6 pm" To: dcs@newsguy.com (Daniel C. Sobral) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chris@calldei.com, mwlucas@gltg.com, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you link to it, note that I've moved it. www.blackhelicopters.org/~dispatch/bsd-self-help.html Thanks to Wes Peters for the HTML; I didn't bother before posting, I'm afraid. ==ml > Chris Costello wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 05, 1999, mwlucas@gltg.com wrote: > > > Might the following be helpful? Or, does it exist somewhere on the net now? > > > > > > http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~dispatch/stupid-bsd-questions.txt > > > > > > If it is of any use, I'll clean it up for general consumption. > > > > This is a very interesting article! Perhaps it could go into > > the handbook, or perhaps be an article of its own. > > It's, indeed, an excellent article. Hey, Nik, any place we can fit > this in? This ought to have a link to somewhere from the "Doc" > section in www.freebsd.org. > > -- > Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) > dcs@newsguy.com > dcs@freebsd.org > > "I always feel generous when I'm in the inner circle of a > conspiracy to subvert the world order and, with a small group of > allies, just defeated an alien invasion. Maybe I should value myself > a little more?" > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 8:12:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B9F1522D for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05791; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:10:18 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:10:18 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Subject: Re: Style Challenge! In-Reply-To: <19991006164309.A33390@mithrandr.moria.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Wed 1999-10-06 (16:39), Narvi wrote: > > > . Two spaces after '.' > > > > > > > No!!!! I can't see why you should even think about this. > > It's much more readable in my opinion, and it does seem to be the way > things are being done currently. > They aren't. About half of the articles are that way. The same applies to the handbook. A lot of the periods have only one space following them. I would vote for removing the double periods, not expanding the others to two. Or leaving them alone. [snip] > > > (oh, and does it matter about combining whitespace/markup/content > > > changes in the articles at this point, without any translations?) > > > > The translator will really hate any pure formatting style changes. > > There are no translations, to my knowledge, that correspond to the > English articles, as opposed to the books (handbook, faq, &c.). > Handbook and articles should imho follow the same style. > I'm wondering if we're going to be pedantic about it at the moment > (considering the sheer magnitude of the changes), or if I'll get > away with it this time on a warning *grin*. > > (Basically, I have all the articles done, and I'd like to know > whether the assumptions I've made above are acceptable, and if they > are, about making them the style for such things in the future. > > I especially want to know if getting the style above to DTRT in > Emacs is possible, since I'd rather use a style that's easy to use > in both vim and Emacs.) > > Neil > -- > Neil Blakey-Milner > nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 8:23: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA1C153B8 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:22:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00619; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:22:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061522.LAA00619@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:22:33 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Narvi Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project , Neil Blakey-Milner Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Oct-99 Narvi wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> . Two spaces after '.' >> > No!!!! I can't see why you should even think about this. That's how formal English specifies sentence endings and is how the rest of the documentation is. >> . Always close inline tags on the same line as its contents - ie, >> never: >> >> foo foo blah blah blah >> >> > > What if they are multiline? What if the other enclosing tags that end > before the don't fit on a single line? foo bar balh fadaf afds fdef afdafd That's what he means. >> Any comments? >> >> (oh, and does it matter about combining whitespace/markup/content >> changes in the articles at this point, without any translations?) >> > The translator will really hate any pure formatting style changes. Yes, but there aren't currently any translated versions so this doesn't apply. :) Still, it's best to go ahead and make it a habit and always follow it for all -doc commits, IMO. --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 8:39:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C111566C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:39:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06428; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:38:38 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:38:38 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: John Baldwin Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project , Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: Style Challenge! In-Reply-To: <199910061522.LAA00619@server.baldwin.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [removed the second redundant cc: to -doc] On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, John Baldwin wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> . Two spaces after '.' > >> > > No!!!! I can't see why you should even think about this. > > That's how formal English specifies sentence endings and is how the > rest of the documentation is. > Really? Most of printed books definately don't follow that rule then. Or online texts/documents for that matter. What about translations into languages that are different? [snip] > >> Any comments? > >> > >> (oh, and does it matter about combining whitespace/markup/content > >> changes in the articles at this point, without any translations?) > >> > > The translator will really hate any pure formatting style changes. > > Yes, but there aren't currently any translated versions so this doesn't > apply. :) Still, it's best to go ahead and make it a habit and always > follow it for all -doc commits, IMO. > Lot's of corrections due to happen if we decide to standardize either way... > --- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ > PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 8:46:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9D815709 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:45:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03663; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:45:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061545.LAA03663@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:45:36 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Narvi Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD Documentation Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Oct-99 Narvi wrote: > > [removed the second redundant cc: to -doc] > > On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, John Baldwin wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> . Two spaces after '.' >> >> >> > No!!!! I can't see why you should even think about this. >> >> That's how formal English specifies sentence endings and is how the >> rest of the documentation is. >> > > Really? Most of printed books definately don't follow that rule then. > Or online texts/documents for that matter. That's how it is in source form (the DocBook for example), the style sheets that output text may not follow that convention at the moment however. HTML for instance, compresses multiple spaces into a single space unless you explicitly use  . > What about translations into languages that are different? That is up to the translation teams. I have not look at the other language's sources in enough detail to know if they use single space or double space after sentences. Presumably they follow the grammar of their respective language. --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 8:55:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5245E155BD for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04865; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:55:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061555.LAA04865@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991006164309.A33390@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:55:21 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project , Narvi Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Oct-99 Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Wed 1999-10-06 (16:39), Narvi wrote: >> > (oh, and does it matter about combining whitespace/markup/content >> > changes in the articles at this point, without any translations?) >> >> The translator will really hate any pure formatting style changes. > > There are no translations, to my knowledge, that correspond to the > English articles, as opposed to the books (handbook, faq, &c.). > > I'm wondering if we're going to be pedantic about it at the moment > (considering the sheer magnitude of the changes), or if I'll get > away with it this time on a warning *grin*. Yes, we are going to be pedantic. :) Habits are formed by repetition, let's Keep It Simple (tm) and always follow the same conventions. Whitespace and content changes should always be in seperate commits (unless Nik declares otherwise). > (Basically, I have all the articles done, and I'd like to know > whether the assumptions I've made above are acceptable, and if they > are, about making them the style for such things in the future. > > I especially want to know if getting the style above to DTRT in > Emacs is possible, since I'd rather use a style that's easy to use > in both vim and Emacs.) Look at the list of things Nik did to convert the handbook from LinuxDoc to DocBook. One of the numbered items contains a elisp function that when run in Emacs completely indents and wraps all the text, which takes care of just about everything except for double spaces in between sentences and extra link breaks between adjacent blocks that are at the same level. > Neil > -- > Neil Blakey-Milner > nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 8:55:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149231532F for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04859; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:55:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061555.LAA04859@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:55:21 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Narvi Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project , Neil Blakey-Milner Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Oct-99 Narvi wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > >> On Wed 1999-10-06 (16:39), Narvi wrote: >> > > . Two spaces after '.' >> > > >> > >> > No!!!! I can't see why you should even think about this. >> >> It's much more readable in my opinion, and it does seem to be the >> way >> things are being done currently. >> > > They aren't. About half of the articles are that way. > > The same applies to the handbook. A lot of the periods have only one > space > following them. > > I would vote for removing the double periods, not expanding the > others to > two. Or leaving them alone. Check the archives; we've already had this discussion (is this going to be the async-kernel syscalls debate of -doc?!?) and the final decision was to use two (2) spaces between sentences. >> There are no translations, to my knowledge, that correspond to the >> English articles, as opposed to the books (handbook, faq, &c.). >> > > Handbook and articles should imho follow the same style. Umm.. his point above is about availability of translations, nothing about style. :) --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 8:58:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EDA156E5 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06871; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:56:26 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:56:26 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: John Baldwin Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD Documentation Project Subject: Re: Style Challenge! In-Reply-To: <199910061545.LAA03663@server.baldwin.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [your mailer seems to be doing funny things with the cc: list] On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, John Baldwin wrote: > >> > >> That's how formal English specifies sentence endings and is how the > >> rest of the documentation is. > >> > > > > Really? Most of printed books definately don't follow that rule then. > > Or online texts/documents for that matter. > > That's how it is in source form (the DocBook for example), the style > sheets that output text may not follow that convention at the moment > however. HTML for instance, compresses multiple spaces into a single > space unless you explicitly use  . > Then take a look at the sgml source and discover that apparently, there is no rule how many spaces (one or two) you put after the period. And if they get always compressed by the styles sheets anyways, why bother at all? > > What about translations into languages that are different? > > That is up to the translation teams. I have not look at the other > language's sources in enough detail to know if they use single space or > double space after sentences. Presumably they follow the grammar of > their respective language. > Presently the translators are just as chaotic as the main sources. > --- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ > PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 8:59:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4E7156EC for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:59:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06896; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:58:26 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:58:25 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: John Baldwin Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project , Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: Style Challenge! In-Reply-To: <199910061555.LAA04859@server.baldwin.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, John Baldwin wrote: > > They aren't. About half of the articles are that way. > > > > The same applies to the handbook. A lot of the periods have only one > > space > > following them. > > > > I would vote for removing the double periods, not expanding the > > others to > > two. Or leaving them alone. > > Check the archives; we've already had this discussion (is this going to > be the async-kernel syscalls debate of -doc?!?) and the final decision > was to use two (2) spaces between sentences. > I doubt it. Rather - who is going to go over all the .sgml files and correct the instances where there is just one period? > > --- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ > PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 9: 7:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA371512F for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:07:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06336; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:07:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061607.MAA06336@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 12:07:26 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Narvi Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project , Neil Blakey-Milner Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Oct-99 Narvi wrote: > > [your mailer seems to be doing funny things with the cc: list] It did spam -doc twice it seems. I think the message only actually went out once however. Odd. > On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> >> >> That's how formal English specifies sentence endings and is how >> >> the >> >> rest of the documentation is. >> >> >> > >> > Really? Most of printed books definately don't follow that rule >> > then. >> > Or online texts/documents for that matter. >> >> That's how it is in source form (the DocBook for example), the style >> sheets that output text may not follow that convention at the moment >> however. HTML for instance, compresses multiple spaces into a >> single >> space unless you explicitly use  . >> > > Then take a look at the sgml source and discover that apparently, > there is > no rule how many spaces (one or two) you put after the period. As I said, check the archives where this was hashed out earlier. All new (English) documentation is supposed to use double spaces. If it really bothers people, then I'll write a sed script to go put double spaces in everywhere in the older docs as well. > And if they get always compressed by the styles sheets anyways, why > bother at all? In the future this behavior may be tweaked in the style sheets. The issue, however, has to do with the readability of the source. The style sheets determine the output, so output and input formats are two different animals. The documentation writers decided earlier to go with double spaces for the (English) documentation because we find it easier to read. Some of us are anal about grammar as well. Not to mention that most of us are in the habit of using two spaces after sentences, so keeping it at two spaces makes our lives easier. :) For example, look at my e-mail. I use two spaces between sentences all over the place because that is the grammar that has been ingrained into me and several other doc writers since we were in grade school. >> > What about translations into languages that are different? >> >> That is up to the translation teams. I have not look at the other >> language's sources in enough detail to know if they use single space >> or >> double space after sentences. Presumably they follow the grammar of >> their respective language. >> > Presently the translators are just as chaotic as the main sources. That is up to the translation teams to choose a standard and go with it if they feel it will make their jobs easier. Grammar is a language specific characteristic. --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 9: 9:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2671512F for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:09:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06611; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:09:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061609.MAA06611@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 12:09:40 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Narvi Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD Documentation Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Oct-99 Narvi wrote: > > > On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, John Baldwin wrote: > >> > They aren't. About half of the articles are that way. >> > >> > The same applies to the handbook. A lot of the periods have only >> > one >> > space >> > following them. >> > >> > I would vote for removing the double periods, not expanding the >> > others to >> > two. Or leaving them alone. >> >> Check the archives; we've already had this discussion (is this going >> to >> be the async-kernel syscalls debate of -doc?!?) and the final >> decision >> was to use two (2) spaces between sentences. >> > > I doubt it. Rather - who is going to go over all the .sgml files and > correct the instances where there is just one period? sed -e 's/. \([^ ]\)/. \1/g' works for me. :) --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 9:13:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C2A14C8C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07173 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:13:32 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:13:31 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: FreeBSD Documentation Project Subject: Two spaces OK Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If there is a decision that there should be two spaces after a period, trhen it is Ok by me. But all occurencies of just one period should then be corrected. In addition, it should be agreed on what happens if there is a or similar closing tag immediately after the period and all wrong cases corrected. And before somebody starts with blah, blah, blah, I was apparently not subscribed to -doc back then when the periods discussion took place. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 9:34:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.com (gw.nectar.com [209.98.143.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5090C156F9 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:34:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: from bone.nectar.com (bone.nectar.com [10.0.0.105]) by gw.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D596C006; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:33:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bone.nectar.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bone.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5296A1D78; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:33:29 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: mlist/freebsd/doc X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-rsa.txt X-PGP-DSSfprint: AB2F 8D71 A4F4 467D 352E 8A41 5D79 22E4 71A2 8C73 X-PGP-DHfprint: 2D50 12E5 AB38 60BA AF4B 0778 7242 4460 1C32 F6B1 X-PGP-DH-DSSkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-dh-dss.txt From: Jacques Vidrine To: John Baldwin Cc: Narvi , FreeBSD Documentation Project , Neil Blakey-Milner In-reply-to: <199910061555.LAA04859@server.baldwin.cx> References: <199910061555.LAA04859@server.baldwin.cx> Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:33:29 -0500 Message-Id: <19991006163329.5296A1D78@bone.nectar.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 6 October 1999 at 11:55, John Baldwin wrote: > Check the archives; we've already had this discussion (is this going to > be the async-kernel syscalls debate of -doc?!?) and the final decision > was to use two (2) spaces between sentences. The way God(TM) intended! Although I agree with Narvi that pure whitespace/formatting changes mostly just make it harder for the translators. Don't go around changing spaces after sentances unless you are already rewriting. Just my $0.02 ! Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 10:33:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 676C314C31 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 25212 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1999 17:33:27 -0000 Received: from userbq85.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.146.179) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1999 17:33:27 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id SAA01135; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:14:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:14:01 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: John Baldwin Cc: Narvi , FreeBSD Documentation Project , Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Message-ID: <19991006181401.B373@marder-1> References: <199910061555.LAA04859@server.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <199910061555.LAA04859@server.baldwin.cx> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 11:55:21AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 06-Oct-99 Narvi wrote: > > > > On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > > > >> On Wed 1999-10-06 (16:39), Narvi wrote: > >> > > . Two spaces after '.' > >> > > > >> > > >> > No!!!! I can't see why you should even think about this. > >> > >> It's much more readable in my opinion, and it does seem to be the > >> way > >> things are being done currently. > >> > > > > They aren't. About half of the articles are that way. > > > > The same applies to the handbook. A lot of the periods have only one > > space > > following them. > > > > I would vote for removing the double periods, not expanding the > > others to > > two. Or leaving them alone. > > Check the archives; we've already had this discussion (is this going to > be the async-kernel syscalls debate of -doc?!?) and the final decision > was to use two (2) spaces between sentences. > I remember the debate, but I never understood why the hell it is so important. It seems to be that different countries have differing rules on this, but to be honest, when reading docs and e-mail I don't notice whether there are 2 spaces or only one (especially in proportional fonts). Having standards and adhering to them *is* important in any project but it is possible to go OTT and this seems to be a case in point. We have a similar thing at work with coding; the CoP states that line continuation \'s should have no preceding space ( if(blah)\ ) but half of us use one ( if(blah) \ ). > >> There are no translations, to my knowledge, that correspond to the > >> English articles, as opposed to the books (handbook, faq, &c.). > >> > > > > Handbook and articles should imho follow the same style. > > Umm.. his point above is about availability of translations, nothing > about style. :) > > --- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ > PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 10:33:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 61ACD14D34 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:33:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 25225 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1999 17:33:31 -0000 Received: from userbq85.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.146.179) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1999 17:33:31 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id RAA01104; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:59:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:59:22 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Andrew Boothman Cc: nbm@mithrandr.moira.org, wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de, nik@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Automatic Documentation Index Message-ID: <19991006175922.A373@marder-1> References: <19991004234956.A977@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 12:40:53AM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: > > On 04-Oct-99 Mark Ovens wrote: > > Seems like a good thing to me. I've just tried it out (had to change > > the paths to the FAQ and Handbook for the DocBook docs). There are > > quite a few ports that install docs other than (& sometimes instead > > of) manpages but don't advertise the fact. > > Exactly. Hence the need to index them. > > > As a temporary solution, until the +DOC files are added, how about > > looking for html files in the +CONTENTS files? Something like > > > > # cd /var/db/pkg > > # grep '\.html$' */+CONTENTS > > > > and parsing the output in some way (e.g. if there are several .html > > files installed including "index.html" then just list the index > > and ignore the others). It's not perfect, but it would dig out all > > the "hidden" documentation. > > I fully understand what you're getting at here. And I can see how this would > work. I'm a little worried about the possability that this could pick up on > installed files that arn't actually documentation. > > I'm not sure if it's likely, but it would really confuse a user to be pointed > to files that aren't documentation. Plus, in the +DOCS file we have a > description of the file that we're linking to, we wouldn't know what the file > is if we link to it this way. I thought about that myself. All the script needs to do is read the block at the top of the files in question (in the case of HTML files). BTW, I'm trying to borrow a "Perl for Dummies" type book from work so that I can help out with this. > Plus, we don't want the ports folk to think that > this negates the need to retrofit +DOCS files to as many ports as possible. > I also considered that it could automatically generate initial +DOCS files. This would be sufficient for many ports and the rest would need tweaking by hand (the ports related to DocBook itself are a case in point; there's masses of HTML files there). Maybe this would encourage support from the ports maintainers as they would have some (maybe all) the work done for them. > What are everyone else's opinions on this? > > --- > Andrew Boothman > FreeBSD UK User Group > http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/~andrew/ > http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/ -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 10:39:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0823415226 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Yv1e-000O9a-01 for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 19:38:51 +0200 Received: (qmail 36927 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Oct 1999 17:23:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:23:56 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: John Baldwin Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Message-ID: <19991006192356.B33390@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <19991006164309.A33390@mithrandr.moria.org> <199910061555.LAA04865@server.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199910061555.LAA04865@server.baldwin.cx>; from John Baldwin on Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 11:55:21AM -0400 Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed 1999-10-06 (11:55), John Baldwin wrote: > > I'm wondering if we're going to be pedantic about it at the moment > > (considering the sheer magnitude of the changes), or if I'll get > > away with it this time on a warning *grin*. > > Yes, we are going to be pedantic. :) Habits are formed by repetition, > let's Keep It Simple (tm) and always follow the same conventions. > Whitespace and content changes should always be in seperate commits > (unless Nik declares otherwise). I'm all for pedantry, especially when I am the one being pedantic, but I hope noone minds if I really _really_ hope it is declared that I can get away with it this once (I'll even promise not to do it again, if that helps). Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 10:48:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBDC15746 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18497; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:47:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061747.NAA18497@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991006163329.5296A1D78@bone.nectar.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 13:47:58 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Jacques Vidrine Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD Documentation Project , Narvi Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Oct-99 Jacques Vidrine wrote: > On 6 October 1999 at 11:55, John Baldwin wrote: >> Check the archives; we've already had this discussion (is this going >> to >> be the async-kernel syscalls debate of -doc?!?) and the final >> decision >> was to use two (2) spaces between sentences. > > The way God(TM) intended! > > Although I agree with Narvi that pure whitespace/formatting changes > mostly just make it harder for the translators. Don't go around > changing spaces after sentances unless you are already rewriting. If any changes are made, they will just be whitespace and will be noted so in the commit message in a seperate commit so that the translator can ignore them. :) However, I don't see that happening any time soon unless someone is really bored. > Just my $0.02 ! > > Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 10:48:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11121574A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18523; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:48:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061748.NAA18523@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991006192356.B33390@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 13:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Oct-99 Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Wed 1999-10-06 (11:55), John Baldwin wrote: >> > I'm wondering if we're going to be pedantic about it at the moment >> > (considering the sheer magnitude of the changes), or if I'll get >> > away with it this time on a warning *grin*. >> >> Yes, we are going to be pedantic. :) Habits are formed by >> repetition, >> let's Keep It Simple (tm) and always follow the same conventions. >> Whitespace and content changes should always be in seperate commits >> (unless Nik declares otherwise). > > I'm all for pedantry, especially when I am the one being pedantic, > but I hope noone minds if I really _really_ hope it is declared > that I can get away with it this once (I'll even promise not to do > it again, if that helps). You'll have to ask Nik (nik@FreeBSD.org) that, and since he's busy moving in to a new house, you may have to wait a couple of days for an answer. > Neil --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 12: 3:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F9914BE4 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:03:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27697; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:03:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910061903.PAA27697@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:03:50 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Narvi Subject: RE: Two spaces OK Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Oct-99 Narvi wrote: > > If there is a decision that there should be two spaces after a > period, > trhen it is Ok by me. But all occurencies of just one period should > then > be corrected. If you don't mind, I'm content to see what Nik says on this one since he's the arbitrator for doc stuff. > In addition, it should be agreed on what happens if there is a > or > similar closing tag immediately after the period and all wrong cases > corrected. fooo bar. The spaces (whether one or two) are only used in between sentences. --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 12:23:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (mout1.01019freenet.de [62.104.201.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F9114CE7 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:23:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from king-fun@01019freenet.de) Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Ywe7-00024R-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 21:22:39 +0200 Received: from ppp01243.01019freenet.de ([212.81.132.219] helo=01019freenet.de) by mx1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Ywe6-0000Rw-00 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 21:22:38 +0200 Message-ID: <37FBA17E.1332A8B7@01019freenet.de> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 21:22:38 +0200 From: Michael Barnett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Hello ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ! I have a question . Where can I get a FREEBSD- Installing CD ??? Can you help me ? Can you send me a CD ? My adress is : Michael Barnett Beethovenstraße 3 12683 Berlin Thanx to help ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 13:14: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB9115201 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:13:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15640; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:13:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:13:47 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: John Baldwin Cc: Narvi , FreeBSD Documentation Project , Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Message-ID: <19991006151346.M20768@futuresouth.com> References: <199910061607.MAA06336@server.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <199910061607.MAA06336@server.baldwin.cx> X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 12:07:26PM -0400, a little birdie told me that John Baldwin remarked > > easier to read. Some of us are anal about grammar as well. Not to > mention that most of us are in the habit of using two spaces after > sentences, so keeping it at two spaces makes our lives easier. :) For > example, look at my e-mail. I use two spaces between sentences all > over the place because that is the grammar that has been ingrained into > me and several other doc writers since we were in grade school. Indeed. I once tried using single spaces at the end of a sentence. My fingers rebelled. Looking around: NSI Invoice: double spaces after period. Daemon book: double spaces (note that on printed books it's often harder to tell as the text is full justified, so spaces aren't a constant size, but I don't recall seeing any recently that aren't doubled.) It should also be noted that it hasn't exactly been aeons since I was in grade school, so it's not like I'm just a remnant of a prior age. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ FutureSouth Communications | ISPHelp ISP Consulting "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 14:51:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3131534E for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:51:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@freebsd.org) Received: from modem-26.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.12.154] ident=[BMn4MhuOLBk1qN+FXw9Ha6SY2PVDcamp]) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Yyy4-00045I-00 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:51:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 2578 invoked by uid 5000); 6 Oct 1999 21:39:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:39:19 +0100 From: Tom Hukins To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Automatic Documentation Index Message-ID: <19991006223919.A2535@hukins.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , doc@freebsd.org References: <19991004234956.A977@marder-1> <19991005092215.D98066@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19991005092215.D98066@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Tue, Oct 05, 1999 at 09:22:15AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 05, 1999 at 09:22:15AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > We don't really give guidelines for port-makers where to put > documentation, do we? The "Install additional documentation" section of "Making a port yourself" in the Handbook explains where ports' documentation should be stored. I've always found this section of the Handbook very helpful when dealing with ports. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 16:15:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.ima-info.ro (cache.ima-info.ro [193.231.230.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A41E14E4E for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itetcu@go.ro) Received: (qmail 19896 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1999 22:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tim) (192.168.1.4) by cache.ima-info.ro with SMTP; 6 Oct 1999 22:14:25 -0000 From: "Ion Mihai Tetcu" To: Doc@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:11:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: FreeBSD localization for Romania [2] Reply-To: itetcu@go.ro X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19991006231515.6A41E14E4E@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Because it is over a week since i originally post it i send the question once again, hoping for a greater succes. In 21 Sep 99, la 12:16, Ion Mihai Tetcu a scris: Salut / Hi everyone, Stie cineva despre o localizare macar partiala pt. FreeBSD (pt. Romania si Moldova)? Pe pagina de web nu am gasit nimic. Exista un proiect pt. a-l localiza? Daca da, as vrea sa ma alatur si eu. Daca nu, haideti sa il incepem ?! / Is there a a localization of FreeBSD for Romania? I saw no sign of it on the web page. If not, is there a project to do it? I would like to join it. I think Linux is being localized (or a project). If someone is interested in doing such a thing (as I saw some .ro and .md addresses) please send me a word. Salve / Bye, Ionut Ion Mihai Tetcu itetcu@go.ro ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get a free e-mail and 10M webspace at http://www.home.ro/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 16:16: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.ima-info.ro (cache.ima-info.ro [193.231.230.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 58CEF1578A for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itetcu@go.ro) Received: (qmail 19896 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1999 22:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tim) (192.168.1.4) by cache.ima-info.ro with SMTP; 6 Oct 1999 22:14:25 -0000 From: "Ion Mihai Tetcu" To: Doc@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:11:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: FreeBSD localization for Romania [2] Reply-To: itetcu@go.ro X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19991006231544.58CEF1578A@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Because it is over a week since i originally post it i send the question once again, hoping for a greater succes. In 21 Sep 99, la 12:16, Ion Mihai Tetcu a scris: Salut / Hi everyone, Stie cineva despre o localizare macar partiala pt. FreeBSD (pt. Romania si Moldova)? Pe pagina de web nu am gasit nimic. Exista un proiect pt. a-l localiza? Daca da, as vrea sa ma alatur si eu. Daca nu, haideti sa il incepem ?! / Is there a a localization of FreeBSD for Romania? I saw no sign of it on the web page. If not, is there a project to do it? I would like to join it. I think Linux is being localized (or a project). If someone is interested in doing such a thing (as I saw some .ro and .md addresses) please send me a word. Salve / Bye, Ionut Ion Mihai Tetcu itetcu@go.ro ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get a free e-mail and 10M webspace at http://www.home.ro/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 18:23:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B15B15089 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:23:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp) Received: from rhea.sky.rim.or.jp (ppp387.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.87]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id KAA28272; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:23:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost.sky.rim.or.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rhea.sky.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W/rhea-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA18375; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:22:57 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 10:22:56 +0900 Message-ID: <14331.62960.212608.11898W@localhost.sky.rim.or.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: nbm@mithrandr.moria.org Cc: Documentation Team Subject: Re: Style Challenge! In-Reply-To: In your message of "Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:25:49 +0200" <19991006152549.A33181@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <19991006152549.A33181@mithrandr.moria.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/1.0.3 (Notorious) SEMI/1.13.3 (Komaiko) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.3 - "Komaiko") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Neil Blakey-Milner > . Always close inline tags on the same line as its contents - ie, never: > foo foo blah blah blah > What do you think if first line end with around 65 - 70 column? ----------------------------70 foo foo blah blah blah ----------------------------70 foo foo blah blah blah ----------------------------70 foo foo blah blah blah Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp // kuriyama@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 18:26: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE7515013 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp) Received: from rhea.sky.rim.or.jp (ppp387.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.87]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id KAA28358; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:23:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost.sky.rim.or.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rhea.sky.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W/rhea-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA18386; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:23:12 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 10:23:11 +0900 Message-ID: <14331.62975.516181.7066A@localhost.sky.rim.or.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: nbm@mithrandr.moria.org Cc: Documentation Team Subject: Re: Style Challenge! In-Reply-To: In your message of "Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:43:09 +0200" <19991006164309.A33390@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <19991006152549.A33181@mithrandr.moria.org> <19991006164309.A33390@mithrandr.moria.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/1.0.3 (Notorious) SEMI/1.13.3 (Komaiko) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.3 - "Komaiko") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Neil Blakey-Milner > > > (oh, and does it matter about combining whitespace/markup/content > > > changes in the articles at this point, without any translations?) > > > > The translator will really hate any pure formatting style changes. > There are no translations, to my knowledge, that correspond to the > English articles, as opposed to the books (handbook, faq, &c.). Hmm, that's true in CVS repository on freefall. But we are translating articles (aka tutorials) in Japanese Documentation Project internally. I think other translation team may do that. As one of translator, my only wish is "don't commit style changes and content changes at the same time!" If you find a small typo after white space chages, please don't change that typo until committing that white space chages. Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp // kuriyama@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 18:48: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70ABD15758 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:48:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org ([216.62.157.60]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FJ7006TVMBJOL@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net> for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:47:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA97377; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:47:20 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) X-URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~chris/ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:47:19 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Style Challenge! In-reply-to: To: Narvi Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD Documentation Project Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <19991006204719.O86678@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT (i386) References: <19991006164309.A33390@mithrandr.moria.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 06, 1999, Narvi wrote: > > It's much more readable in my opinion, and it does seem to be the way > > things are being done currently. > > > > They aren't. About half of the articles are that way. > > The same applies to the handbook. A lot of the periods have only one space > following them. > > I would vote for removing the double periods, not expanding the others to > two. Or leaving them alone. Two periods after the end of a sentence makes it much easier to read. Ever find yourself not seeing the end of a sentence in poorly formatted writing and making yourself sound like an idiot if reading aloud? I vote it goes all to two spaces after a period. -- |Chris Costello |LISP: To call a spade a thpade. `---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 18:49:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D5C15144 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:49:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org ([216.62.157.60]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FJ7007SBMERVH@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net> for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:49:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA97423; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:49:17 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) X-URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~chris/ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:49:16 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Style Challenge! In-reply-to: <199910061545.LAA03663@server.baldwin.cx> To: John Baldwin Cc: Narvi , Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD Documentation Project Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <19991006204916.Q86678@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT (i386) References: <199910061545.LAA03663@server.baldwin.cx> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 06, 1999, John Baldwin wrote: > That's how it is in source form (the DocBook for example), the style > sheets that output text may not follow that convention at the moment > however. HTML for instance, compresses multiple spaces into a single > space unless you explicitly use  . Yes, HTML is very annoying that way. -- |Chris Costello |It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. `---------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 18:51:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E502E15144 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:51:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org ([216.62.157.60]) by mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FJ700EL3MHD1H@mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:51:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA97446; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:50:51 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) X-URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~chris/ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:50:51 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Style Challenge! In-reply-to: <14331.62960.212608.11898W@localhost.sky.rim.or.jp> To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: nbm@mithrandr.moria.org, Documentation Team Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <19991006205051.R86678@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT (i386) References: <19991006152549.A33181@mithrandr.moria.org> <14331.62960.212608.11898W@localhost.sky.rim.or.jp> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 07, 1999, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > From: Neil Blakey-Milner > > . Always close inline tags on the same line as its contents - ie, never: > > > foo foo blah blah blah > > > > What do you think if first line end with around 65 - 70 column? > > ----------------------------70 > foo foo blah blah blah > foo foo blah blah blah Would be how I do it, if only just to preserve readability and good looks. -- |Chris Costello |A computer scientist is someone who fixes things that aren't broken. `-------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 20:29:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F561582E for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:29:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA88564; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:29:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910070329.XAA88564@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14331.62960.212608.11898W@localhost.sky.rim.or.jp> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 23:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Jun Kuriyama Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Cc: Documentation Team , nbm@mithrandr.moria.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 07-Oct-99 Jun Kuriyama wrote: > From: Neil Blakey-Milner >> . Always close inline tags on the same line as its contents - ie, >> never: > >> foo foo blah blah blah >> > > What do you think if first line end with around 65 - 70 column? > > ----------------------------70 > foo foo blah blah blah > > > > ----------------------------70 > foo foo blah blah blah I do this, because the overall text is still within 80 columns. > ----------------------------70 > foo foo blah blah blah > > > > Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp > // kuriyama@FreeBSD.org --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 20:58:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF7015021 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:58:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA88888; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:26:16 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:26:15 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: John Baldwin Cc: Narvi , FreeBSD Documentation Project , Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: One or two spaces after period? (was: Style Challenge!) Message-ID: <19991007132615.G78191@freebie.lemis.com> References: <199910061522.LAA00619@server.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <199910061522.LAA00619@server.baldwin.cx> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 6 October 1999 at 11:22:33 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 06-Oct-99 Narvi wrote: >> >> On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> . Two spaces after '.' >>> >> No!!!! I can't see why you should even think about this. > > That's how formal English specifies sentence endings and is how the > rest of the documentation is. Well, it depends on whether it's English or American. English usage is a single space after a full stop. On the other hand, there are good reasons for two spaces: 1. It *is* a de facto standard, and de jure in America. 2. Emacs won't recognize the sequence '. ' as an end of sentence. This breaks the sentence-end macro. It also makes it wrap incorrectly in some cases. 3. It appears that vi does similar things, at least sometimes. On the other hand, nobody has put a valid reason for not doing it this way. True, some languages have different punctuation rules, but that doesn't affect the way the source looks. And it's simply not true that printed books have exactly one space after a sentence end; it varies greatly depending on how they were formatted, but in general there's more than a single space, very seldom less (and where it's less it looks terrible IMO). Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 6 21:20:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B6A14CC9 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:20:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA95698; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 4633F14DA9; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19991007041357.4633F14DA9@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: crandall@matchlogic.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/14173: bind(2) sets errno to undocumented EAGAIN Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14173 >Category: docs >Synopsis: bind(2) sets errno to undocumented EAGAIN >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Oct 6 21:20:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Charles Randall >Release: 3.2 >Organization: MatchLogic, Inc >Environment: FreeBSD bongo.is.matchlogic.com 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE #1: Tue Oct 5 21:38:47 MDT 1999 crandall@bongo.is.matchlogic.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/CUSTOM i386 >Description: Under high load, bind() fails with a -1 and sets errno to EAGAIN. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 7 1:38:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 540DB14E2D for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 28840 invoked by uid 1003); 7 Oct 1999 08:40:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:40:21 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: Documentation Team Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Message-ID: <19991007104021.A27779@rucus.ru.ac.za> References: <19991006152549.A33181@mithrandr.moria.org> <19991006164309.A33390@mithrandr.moria.org> <14331.62975.516181.7066A@localhost.sky.rim.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <14331.62975.516181.7066A@localhost.sky.rim.or.jp> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 1999-10-07 (10:23), Jun Kuriyama wrote: > > There are no translations, to my knowledge, that correspond to the > > English articles, as opposed to the books (handbook, faq, &c.). > > Hmm, that's true in CVS repository on freefall. But we are > translating articles (aka tutorials) in Japanese Documentation Project > internally. I think other translation team may do that. Ah, so there are some, didn't know. Good stuff! > As one of translator, my only wish is "don't commit style changes and > content changes at the same time!" If you find a small typo after > white space chages, please don't change that typo until committing > that white space chages. Yeah, I understand the reasons, I just didn't know there were translations. I'll just redo it when the style issues have been hashed out. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 7 4:12: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED2B15134 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.184]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAB304B; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:11:44 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18285; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:14:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:14:11 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: John Baldwin Cc: Narvi , FreeBSD Documentation Project , Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Message-ID: <19991007121411.J11071@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <199910061522.LAA00619@server.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <199910061522.LAA00619@server.baldwin.cx> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On [19991006 18:27], John Baldwin (jobaldwi@vt.edu) wrote: >On 06-Oct-99 Narvi wrote: >> On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: >> >>> . Two spaces after '.' >>> >> No!!!! I can't see why you should even think about this. > >That's how formal English specifies sentence endings and is how the >rest of the documentation is. Not taking into account _which_ english in the first place. Some interesting references: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009019898/toc.pdf http://www.kanten.com/styleguide/sgindex.html http://www.tdl.com/~thawley/wstoc.htm HTH, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Joy comes, grief goes, we know not how... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 7 6:20:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDD314E66 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 06:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31262; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:19:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910071319.JAA31262@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991007121411.J11071@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:19:14 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD Documentation Project , Narvi Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 07-Oct-99 Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > On [19991006 18:27], John Baldwin (jobaldwi@vt.edu) wrote: >>On 06-Oct-99 Narvi wrote: >>> On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: >>> >>>> . Two spaces after '.' >>>> >>> No!!!! I can't see why you should even think about this. >> >>That's how formal English specifies sentence endings and is how the >>rest of the documentation is. > > Not taking into account _which_ english in the first place. > ls -l ~work/doc total 5 drwxr-xr-x 2 jhb jhb 512 Sep 29 15:13 CVS -rw-r--r-- 1 jhb jhb 441 Sep 8 03:39 Makefile drwxr-xr-x 7 jhb jhb 512 Sep 29 15:13 en_US.ISO_8859-1 drwxr-xr-x 5 jhb jhb 512 Sep 29 15:13 ru_RU.KOI8-R drwxr-xr-x 5 jhb jhb 512 Sep 29 15:13 share For now we are using US English for the documentation. :) --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 7 7:41: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF791519D for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:40:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA21032; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kronos.alcnet.com (kronos.alcnet.com [63.69.28.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD73015231 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbyanc@kronos.alcnet.com) Received: (from kbyanc@localhost) by kronos.alcnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/antispam) id KAA05317; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910071431.KAA05317@kronos.alcnet.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:31:27 -0400 (EDT) From: kbyanc@posi.net Reply-To: kbyanc@posi.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14181: patch to bind(2) to include EAGAIN Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14181 >Category: docs >Synopsis: patch to bind(2) to include EAGAIN >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 7 07:40:00 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Kelly Yancey >Release: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: bind(2) does not mention that errno can be EAGAIN >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: this patch (or something like it)... --- bind.2.orig Thu Oct 7 10:16:39 1999 +++ bind.2 Thu Oct 7 10:26:59 1999 @@ -97,6 +97,9 @@ .It Bq Er EBADF .Fa S is not a valid descriptor. +.It Bq Er EAGAIN +Kernel resources to complete the request are temporarily +unavailable. .It Bq Er ENOTSOCK .Fa S is not a socket. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 7 8:38:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E2F14FE8 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:38:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24416 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:37:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <199910071537.LAA24416@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Comments? To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:37:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, Over the past couple of months, intrigued by the voluminous output of "sysctl -a", I've been digging through man pages and mailing list archives looking for clues as to what each of these little buggers means. It's become apparent that I will never keep up, and that some of them I am completely unqualified to understand, let alone explain. So, I'm attempting to set up a web page to act as a repository of sysctl MIB information. I have this nice server out on the Net; it's probably time I do something more than run my personal email off of it. ;) Before I go and convert all my notes to HTML, I would appreciate any and all feedback on the structure I'm using. I'd hate to enter this mess of pottage, and then have someone say "You know, a field X for each MIB would be useful." Eventually, I'd like to set up a submission system where people can send in MIB documentation, and corrections to existing docs. I've put up my (very!) rough design, and a couple of sample MIBs, at http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~dispatch/sysctl/miblist.html Any feedback is welcome. I'll probably start entering what I have this weekend. ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 7 11:57:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D00314C1A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 573651C23; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BAD3817; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:59:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Jacques Vidrine Cc: John Baldwin , Narvi , FreeBSD Documentation Project , Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: Style Challenge! In-Reply-To: <19991006163329.5296A1D78@bone.nectar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Jacques Vidrine wrote: > Although I agree with Narvi that pure whitespace/formatting changes > mostly just make it harder for the translators. Don't go around > changing spaces after sentances unless you are already rewriting. No. This is completly ass-backwards. Make one commit to correct the formatting. Make one commit to change the sentence. Try and be at least somewhat familiar with policy before making these suggestions. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 7 12:25: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EDFC215274 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 14737 invoked from network); 7 Oct 1999 19:24:47 -0000 Received: from useraf05.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.131.246) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1999 19:24:47 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA00398; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:24:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:24:02 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Chris Costello Cc: Narvi , Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD Documentation Project Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Message-ID: <19991007202402.B316@marder-1> References: <19991006164309.A33390@mithrandr.moria.org> <19991006204719.O86678@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19991006204719.O86678@holly.calldei.com> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 08:47:19PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote: > On Wed, Oct 06, 1999, Narvi wrote: > > > It's much more readable in my opinion, and it does seem to be the way > > > things are being done currently. > > > > > > > They aren't. About half of the articles are that way. > > > > The same applies to the handbook. A lot of the periods have only one space > > following them. > > > > I would vote for removing the double periods, not expanding the others to > > two. Or leaving them alone. > > Two periods after the end of a sentence makes it much easier > to read. Ever find yourself not seeing the end of a sentence in > poorly formatted writing and making yourself sound like an idiot > if reading aloud? > Surely the main visual cue to the start of a new sentence is the capital letter? The only ambiguous case I can think of is a sentence starting with the word "I". > I vote it goes all to two spaces after a period. Why does it really matter, especially in a proportional font? > > -- > |Chris Costello > |LISP: To call a spade a thpade. > `---------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 7 12:51:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C0C150B4 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA51710; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824A115632 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:41:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11ZJPq-000OPF-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 21:41:27 +0200 Received: (qmail 50547 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Oct 1999 18:39:23 -0000 Message-Id: <19991007183923.50546.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 7 Oct 1999 18:39:23 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14193: man-ref entries for nis article, and existing articles Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14193 >Category: docs >Synopsis: man-ref entries for nis article, and existing articles >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 7 12:50:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: A collection of man-ref entries needed for nis article, and also the revamp of the fonts article. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: man-refs.ent =================================================================== RCS file: /home/nbm/ncvs/doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 man-refs.ent --- man-refs.ent 1999/09/29 02:09:42 1.12 +++ man-refs.ent 1999/10/06 17:15:55 @@ -24,6 +24,8 @@ + + @@ -43,6 +45,7 @@ + @@ -64,6 +67,7 @@ + @@ -75,6 +79,10 @@ + + + + @@ -95,6 +103,7 @@ + @@ -104,6 +113,7 @@ + @@ -152,4 +162,5 @@ + >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 7 14:41:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1097152DC for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA64303; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93D914D33 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:36:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11ZLCC-000Pn5-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 23:35:28 +0200 Received: (qmail 51646 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Oct 1999 19:59:24 -0000 Message-Id: <19991007195924.51645.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 7 Oct 1999 19:59:24 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14197: prepare fonts article for re-markup Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14197 >Category: docs >Synopsis: prepare fonts article for re-markup >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 7 14:40:00 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: Markup and minor content changes to fonts article - no whitespace changes. Remove -enwrapped lists, &c. Relies on docs/14193 for man-ref entities. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/nbm/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/10/04 21:31:02 1.5 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/07 19:57:25 @@ -1,6 +1,9 @@ - + +%man; +]>
+ + Fonts and FreeBSD + + A Tutorial + + + + Dave + + Bodenstab + + +
+ imdave@synet.net +
+ + + + + Wed Aug 7, 1996 + + + This document contains a description of the various font + files that may be used with FreeBSD and the syscons driver, + X11, Ghostscript and Groff. Cookbook examples are provided + for switching the syscons display to 80x60 mode, and for using + type 1 fonts with the above application programs. + + + + + Introduction + + There are many sources of fonts available, and one might ask + how they might be used with FreeBSD. The answer can be found by + carefully searching the documentation for the component that one + would like to use. This is very time consuming, so this + tutorial is an attempt to provide a shortcut for others who + might be interested. + + + + Basic terminology + + There are many different font formats and associated font + file suffixes. A few that will be addressed here are: + + + + .pfa, .pfb + + + Postscript type 1 fonts. The + .pfa is the + Ascii form and + .pfb the Binary + form. + + + + + .afm + + + The font metrics associated with a type 1 font. + + + + + .pfm + + + The printer font metrics associated with a type 1 + font. + + + + + .ttf + + + A TrueType font + + + + + .fot + + + An indirect reference to a TrueType font (not an + actual font) + + + + + .fon, .fnt + + + Bitmapped screen fonts + + + + + The .fot file is used by Windows as + sort of a symbolic link to the actual TrueType font + (.ttf) file. The .fon + font files are also used by Windows. I know of no way to use + this font format with FreeBSD. + + + + What font formats can I use? + + Which font file format is useful depends on the application + being used. FreeBSD by itself uses no fonts. Application + programs and/or drivers may make use of the font files. Here is + a small cross reference of application/driver to the font type + suffixes: + + + + Driver + + + + + syscons + + + .fnt + + + + + + + + Application + + + + + Ghostscript + + + .pfa, + .pfb, + .ttf + + + + + X11 + + + .pfa, + .pfb + + + + + Groff + + + .pfa, + .afm + + + + + Povray + + + .ttf + + + + + + + + The .fnt suffix is used quite + frequently. I suspect that whenever someone wanted to create a + specialized font file for their application, more often than not + they chose this suffix. Therefore, it is likely that files with + this suffix are not all the same format; specifically, the + .fnt files used by syscons under FreeBSD + may not be the same format as a .fnt file + one encounters in the MSDOS/Windows environment. I have not + made any attempt at using other .fnt files + other than those provided with FreeBSD. + + + + Setting a virtual console to 80x60 line mode + + First, a 8x8 font must be loaded. + /etc/sysconfig should contain the + lines: + + + +# Choose font 8x8 from /usr/share/syscons/fonts/* (or NO for default) +font8x8=/usr/share/syscons/fonts/cp437-8x8.fnt + + + + The command to actually switch the mode is + &man.vidcontrol.1: - -Fonts and FreeBSD -A Tutorial - - - -Dave -Bodenstab - -
imdave@synet.net
- - - - -Wed Aug 7, 1996 - -This document contains a description of the various -font files that may be used with FreeBSD and the syscons driver, X11, -Ghostscript and Groff. Cookbook examples are provided for switching -the syscons display to 80x60 mode, and for using type 1 fonts with -the above application programs. - - - - -Introduction - -There are many sources of fonts available, and one might ask -how they might be used with FreeBSD. The answer can be found by -carefully searching the documentation for the component that one -would like to use. This is very time consuming, so this tutorial is -an attempt to provide a shortcut for others who might be -interested. - - - - -Basic terminology - -There are many different font formats and associated font file -suffixes. A few that will be addressed here are: - - - -.pfa, .pfb - -Postscript type 1 fonts. The .pfa is the -Ascii form and .pfb the -Binary form. - - - -.afm - -The font metrics associated with a type 1 -font. - - - -.pfm - -The printer font metrics associated with a type 1 -font. - - - -.ttf - -A TrueType font - - - -.fot - -An indirect reference to a TrueType font (not an -actual font) - - - -.fon, .fnt - -Bitmapped screen fonts - - - - -The .fot file is used by Windows as sort -of a symbolic link to the actual TrueType font -(.ttf) file. The .fon font -files are also used by Windows. I know of no way to use this font -format with FreeBSD. - - - - -What font formats can I use? - -Which font file format is useful depends on the application -being used. FreeBSD by itself uses no fonts. Application programs -and/or drivers may make use of the font files. Here is a small cross -reference of application/driver to the font type suffixes: - - -Driver - - -syscons - -.fnt - - - - - - - - -Application - - - -Ghostscript - -.pfa, .pfb, .ttf - - - - -X11 - - -.pfa, .pfb - - - - -Groff - - -.pfa, .afm - - - - -Povray - - -.ttf - - - - - - - - - -The .fnt suffix is used quite frequently. -I suspect that whenever someone wanted to create a specialized font -file for their application, more often than not they chose this -suffix. Therefore, it is likely that files with this suffix are not -all the same format; specifically, the .fnt -files used by syscons under FreeBSD may not be the same format as a -.fnt file one encounters in the MSDOS/Windows -environment. I have not made any attempt at using other -.fnt files other than those provided with -FreeBSD. - - - - -Setting a virtual console to 80x60 line mode - -First, a 8x8 font must be loaded. -/etc/sysconfig should contain the lines: - - -# Choose font 8x8 from /usr/share/syscons/fonts/* (or NO for default) -font8x8=/usr/share/syscons/fonts/cp437-8x8.fnt - - -The command to actually switch the mode is -&man.vidcontrol.1: - - -bash$ vidcontrol VGA_80x60 - - -Various screen orientated programs, such as -&man.vi.1, must be able to -determine the current screen dimensions. These can be set with -&man.stty.1;: - - -bash$ stty crt rows 60 columns 80 - - -To make this more seamless, one can embed these commands in the -startup scripts so it takes place when the system boots. One way to -do this is: - - - - -Modify /etc/sysconfig as above - - - -Add to /etc/rc.local: - -for tty in /dev/ttyv? + +bash$ vidcontrol VGA_80x60 + + + + Various screen orientated programs, such as &man.vi.1, must + be able to determine the current screen dimensions. These can + be set with &man.stty.1;: + + + +bash$ stty crt rows 60 columns 80 + + + + To make this more seamless, one can embed these commands in + the startup scripts so it takes place when the system boots. + One way to do this is: + + + + Modify /etc/sysconfig as + above + + + + Add to /etc/rc.local: + + + +for tty in /dev/ttyv? do vidcontrol VGA_80x60 <$tty >/dev/null 2>&1 -done +done + - + + + + Add to /etc/profile: - -Add to /etc/profile: - -TTYNAME=`basename \`tty\`` + +TTYNAME=`basename \`tty\`` if expr "$TTYNAME" : 'ttyv' >/dev/null then stty crt rows 60 columns 80 -fi +fi + - + + + + References: &man.stty.1;, &man.vidcontrol.1;. + + + + Using type 1 fonts with X11 + + X11 can use either the .pfa or the + .pfb format fonts. The X11 fonts are + located in various subdirectories under + /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts. Each font file + is cross referenced to its X11 name by the contents of the + fonts.dir file in each directory. + + There is already a directory named Type1. The + most straight forward way to add a new font is to put it into + this directory. A better way is to keep all new fonts in a + separate directory and use a symbolic link to the additional + font. This allows one to more easily keep track of ones fonts + without confusing them with the fonts that were originally + provided. For example: - - -References: -&man.stty.1;, -&man.vidcontrol.1;. - - - - -Using type 1 fonts with X11 - -X11 can use either the .pfa or the -.pfb format fonts. The X11 fonts are located in -various subdirectories under -/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts. Each font file is -cross referenced to its X11 name by the contents of the -fonts.dir file in each directory. - -There is already a directory named Type1. The most -straight forward way to add a new font is to put it into this -directory. A better way is to keep all new fonts in a separate -directory and use a symbolic link to the additional font. This -allows one to more easily keep track of ones fonts without confusing -them with the fonts that were originally provided. For -example: - -Create a directory to contain the font files + +Create a directory to contain the font files bash$ mkdir -p /usr/local/share/fonts/type1 bash$ cd /usr/local/share/fonts/type1 @@ -292,16 +321,18 @@ bash$ cp /cdrom/fonts/atm/showboat/showboat.afm . Maintain an index to cross reference the fonts -bash$ echo showboat - InfoMagic CICA, Dec 1994, /fonts/atm/showboat >>INDEX +bash$ echo showboat - InfoMagic CICA, Dec 1994, /fonts/atm/showboat >>INDEX + - -Now, to use a new font with X11, one must make the font file -available and update the font name files. The X11 font names look -like: - + + Now, to use a new font with X11, one must make the font file + available and update the font name files. The X11 font names + look like: + --bitstream-charter-medium-r-normal-xxx-0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1 - | | | | | | | | | | | | \ \ + +-bitstream-charter-medium-r-normal-xxx-0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1 + | | | | | | | | | | | | \ \ | | | | | \ \ \ \ \ \ \ +----+- character set | | | | \ \ \ \ \ \ \ +- average width | | | | \ \ \ \ \ \ +- spacing @@ -310,18 +341,19 @@ | | | \ \ \ \ +- points | | | \ \ \ +- pixels | | | \ \ \ - foundry family weight slant width additional style + foundry family weight slant width additional style + - -A new name needs to be created for each new font. If you have -some information from the documentation that accompanied the font, -then it could serve as the basis for creating the name. If there is -no information, then you can get some idea by using -&man.strings.1; on the font -file. For example: - + + A new name needs to be created for each new font. If you + have some information from the documentation that accompanied + the font, then it could serve as the basis for creating the + name. If there is no information, then you can get some idea by + using &man.strings.1; on the font file. For example: + -bash$ strings showboat.pfb | more + +bash$ strings showboat.pfb | more %!FontType1-1.0: Showboat 001.001 %%CreationDate: 1/15/91 5:16:03 PM %%VMusage: 1024 45747 @@ -345,87 +377,113 @@ 1991 by David Rakowski. Alle Rechte Vorbehalten.) readonly def end readonly def /FontName /Showboat def ---stdin-- +--stdin-- + - -Using this information, a possible name might be: - - --type1-Showboat-medium-r-normal-decorative-0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1 - - -The components of our name are: - - - -Foundry - -Lets just name all the new fonts type1. - - - -Family - -The name of the font. - - - -Weight - -Normal, bold, medium, semibold, etc. From the -strings1 output -above, it appears that this font has a weight of -medium. - - - -Slant - -roman, italic, oblique, -etc. Since the ItalicAngle is zero, -roman will be used. - - - -Width - -Normal, wide, condensed, extended, etc. Until it can be examined, -the assumption will be normal. - - - -Additional style - -Usually omitted, but this will indicate that -the font contains decorative capital letters. - - - -Spacing - -proportional or monospaced. Proportional -is used since isFixedPitch is false. - - - - - -All of these names are arbitrary, but one should strive to be -compatible with the existing conventions. A font is referenced by -name with possible wild cards by an X11 program, so the name chosen -should make some sense. One might begin by simply using - -…-normal-r-normal-…-p-… - -as the name, and then use -xfontsel1 to examine it -and adjust the name based on the appearance of the font. -So, to complete our example: - + Using this information, a possible name might be: + -Make the font accessible to X11 + +-type1-Showboat-medium-r-normal-decorative-0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1 + + + + The components of our name are: + + + + Foundry + + + Lets just name all the new fonts + type1. + + + + + Family + + + The name of the font. + + + + + Weight + + + Normal, bold, medium, semibold, etc. From the + strings1 + output above, it appears that this font has a weight of + medium. + + + + + Slant + + + roman, italic, oblique, etc. Since the + ItalicAngle is zero, + roman will be used. + + + + + Width + + + Normal, wide, condensed, extended, etc. Until it can + be examined, the assumption will be + normal. + + + + + Additional style + + + Usually omitted, but this will indicate that the font + contains decorative capital letters. + + + + + Spacing + + + proportional or monospaced. + Proportional is used since + isFixedPitch is false. + + + + + All of these names are arbitrary, but one should strive to + be compatible with the existing conventions. A font is + referenced by name with possible wild cards by an X11 program, + so the name chosen should make some sense. One might begin by + simply using + + + +…-normal-r-normal-…-p-… + + + + as the name, and then use + xfontsel1 to + examine it and adjust the name based on the appearance of the + font. + + So, to complete our example: + + + +Make the font accessible to X11 bash$ cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 bash$ ln -s /usr/local/share/fonts/type1/showboat.pfb . @@ -449,29 +507,29 @@ bash$ xset fp rehash Examine the new font -bash$ xfontsel -pattern -type1-* +bash$ xfontsel -pattern -type1-* + - -References: -&man.xfontsel.1;, -&man.xset.1;, -The X Windows System in a Nutshell, O'Reilly & Associates. - - - - -Using type 1 fonts with Ghostscript - -Ghostscript references a font via its Fontmap -file. This must be modified in a similar way to the X11 -fonts.dir file. Ghostscript can use either the -.pfa or the .pfb format -fonts. Using the font from the previous example, here is how to use -it with Ghostscript: - + + References: &man.xfontsel.1;, &man.xset.1;, The X + Windows System in a Nutshell, O'Reilly & + Associates. + + + + Using type 1 fonts with Ghostscript + + Ghostscript references a font via its Fontmap + file. This must be modified in a similar way to the X11 + fonts.dir file. Ghostscript can use either + the .pfa or the .pfb + format fonts. Using the font from the previous example, here is + how to use it with Ghostscript: + -Put the font in Ghostscript's font directory + +Put the font in Ghostscript's font directory bash$ cd /usr/local/share/ghostscript/fonts bash$ ln -s /usr/local/share/fonts/type1/showboat.pfb . @@ -497,46 +555,51 @@ >>showpage, press <return> to continue<< >>showpage, press <return> to continue<< >>showpage, press <return> to continue<< -GS>quit +GS>quit + - -References: fonts.txt in the Ghostscript -4.01 distribution - - - - -Using type 1 fonts with Groff - -Now that the new font can be used by both X11 and Ghostscript, -how can one use the new font with groff? First of all, since we are -dealing with type 1 postscript fonts, the groff device that is -applicable is the ps device. A font file must be -created for each font that groff can use. A groff font name is just -a file in /usr/share/groff_font/devps. With our -example, the font file could be -/usr/share/groff_font/devps/SHOWBOAT. The file -must be created using tools provided by groff. - -The first tool is afmtodit. This is not normally -installed, so it must be retrieved from the source distribution. I -found I had to change the first line of the file, so I did: - + + References: fonts.txt in the + Ghostscript 4.01 distribution + + + + Using type 1 fonts with Groff + + Now that the new font can be used by both X11 and + Ghostscript, how can one use the new font with groff? First of + all, since we are dealing with type 1 postscript fonts, the + groff device that is applicable is the ps + device. A font file must be created for each font that groff + can use. A groff font name is just a file in + /usr/share/groff_font/devps. With our + example, the font file could be + /usr/share/groff_font/devps/SHOWBOAT. The + file must be created using tools provided by groff. + + The first tool is afmtodit. This is not + normally installed, so it must be retrieved from the source + distribution. I found I had to change the first line of the + file, so I did: + -bash$ cp /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/afmtodit/afmtodit.pl /tmp + +bash$ cp /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/afmtodit/afmtodit.pl /tmp bash$ ex /tmp/afmtodit.pl :1c #!/usr/bin/perl -P- . -:wq +:wq + - -This tool will create the groff font file from the metrics file -(.afm suffix.) Continuing with our -example: - + + This tool will create the groff font file from the metrics + file (.afm suffix.) Continuing with our + example: + -Many .afm files are in Mac format&hellip ^M delimited lines + +Many .afm files are in Mac format&hellip ^M delimited lines We need to convert them to unix style ^J delimited lines bash$ cd /tmp bash$ cat /usr/local/share/fonts/type1/showboat.afm | @@ -544,33 +607,38 @@ Now create the groff font file bash$ cd /usr/share/groff_font/devps -bash$ /tmp/afmtodit.pl -d DESC -e text.enc /tmp/showboat.afm generate/textmap SHOWBOAT +bash$ /tmp/afmtodit.pl -d DESC -e text.enc /tmp/showboat.afm generate/textmap SHOWBOAT + - -The font can now be referenced with the name SHOWBOAT. - -If ghostscript is used to drive the printers on the system, -then nothing more needs to be done. However, if true postscript -printers are used, then the font must be down loaded to the printer -in order for the font to be used (unless the printer happens to have -the showboat font built in or on an accessible font disk.) The final -step is to create a down loadable font. The pfbtops tool -is used to create the .pfa format of the font, -and the download file is modified to reference the new -font. The download file must reference the internal -name of the font. This can easily be determined from the groff font -file as illustrated: - + + The font can now be referenced with the name + SHOWBOAT. + + If ghostscript is used to drive the printers on the system, + then nothing more needs to be done. However, if true postscript + printers are used, then the font must be down loaded to the + printer in order for the font to be used (unless the printer + happens to have the showboat font built in or on an accessible + font disk.) The final step is to create a down loadable font. + The pfbtops tool is used to create the + .pfa format of the font, and the + download file is modified to reference the new + font. The download file must reference the + internal name of the font. This can easily be determined from + the groff font file as illustrated: + -Create the .pfa font file + +Create the .pfa font file bash$ pfbtops /usr/local/share/fonts/type1/showboat.pfb >showboat.pfa - -Of course, if the .pfa file is already -available, just use a symbolic link to reference it. - + + Of course, if the .pfa file is already + available, just use a symbolic link to reference it. + -Get the internal font name + +Get the internal font name bash$ fgrep internalname SHOWBOAT internalname Showboat @@ -579,13 +647,15 @@ :$a Showboat showboat.pfa . -:wq +:wq + - -To test the font: - + + To test the font: + -bash$ cd /tmp + +bash$ cd /tmp bash$ cat >example.t <<EOF .sp 5 .ps 16 @@ -618,16 +688,14 @@ bash$ ghostview example.ps To print it -bash$ lpr -Ppostscript example.ps +bash$ lpr -Ppostscript example.ps + - -References: -/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/afmtodit/afmtodit.man, -&man.groff.font.5;, -&man.groff.char.7;, -&man.pfbtops.1;. - - + + References: + /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/afmtodit/afmtodit.man, + &man.groff.font.5;, &man.groff.char.7;, &man.pfbtops.1;. + Converting TrueType fonts to a groff/postscript format for @@ -635,23 +703,23 @@ <para>This potentially requires a bit of work, simply because it depends on some utilities that are not installed as part of the - base system. They are:</para> + base system. They are:</para> <variablelist> <varlistentry> <term><command>ttf2pf</command></term> <listitem> - <para>TrueType to postscript convertsion utilities. This + <para>TrueType to postscript convertsion utilities. This allows conversion of a TrueType font to an ascii font metric (<filename>.afm</filename>) file.</para> - + <para>Currently available at <ulink - url="http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/GUST/contrib/BachoTeX98/ttf2pf/">http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/GUST/contrib/BachoTeX98/ttf2pf</ulink>. + url="http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/GUST/contrib/BachoTeX98/ttf2pf/">http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/GUST/contrib/BachoTeX98/ttf2pf</ulink>. Note: These files are postscript programs and must be downloaded to disk by holding down the - <keycap>Shift</keycap> key when clicking on the - link. Otherwise, your browser may try to launch + <keycap>Shift</keycap> key when clicking on the link. + Otherwise, your browser may try to launch <application>ghostview</application> to view them.</para> <para>The files of interest are:</para> @@ -673,8 +741,8 @@ <para>The funny upper/lower case is due to their being intended also for DOS shells. <filename>ttf2pf.ps</filename> makes use of the others as - upper case, so any renaming must be consistent with - this. (Actually, <filename>GS_TTF.PS</filename> and + upper case, so any renaming must be consistent with this. + (Actually, <filename>GS_TTF.PS</filename> and <filename>PFS2AFM.PS</filename> are supposedly part of the ghostscript distribution, but it's just as easy to use these as an isolated utility. FreeBSD doesn't seem to @@ -689,7 +757,7 @@ <listitem> <para>Creates font files for use with groff from ascii font - metrics file. This usually resides in the directory, + metrics file. This usually resides in the directory, <filename>/usr/src/contrib/groff/afmtodit</filename>, and requires some work to get going.</para> @@ -700,12 +768,12 @@ location.</para> </note> - <para>In the work area, you'll need to make the - utility. Just type:</para> + <para>In the work area, you'll need to make the utility. + Just type:</para> - <screen> +<screen> <prompt>#</prompt> <userinput>make -f Makefile.sub afmtodit</userinput> - </screen> +</screen> <para>You may also need to copy <filename>/usr/contrib/groff/devps/generate/textmap</filename> @@ -724,9 +792,9 @@ <para>Create the <filename>.afm</filename> file by typing:</para> - <screen> +<screen> <prompt>%</prompt> <userinput>gs <optional>-dNODISPLAY</optional> <optional>-q</optional> -- ttf2pf.ps <replaceable>TTF_name</replaceable> <optional><replaceable>PS_font_name</replaceable> <optional><replaceable>AFM_name</replaceable></optional></optional></userinput> - </screen> +</screen> <para>Where, <replaceable>TTF_name</replaceable> is your TrueType font file, <replaceable>PS_font_name</replaceable> @@ -739,32 +807,32 @@ <para>This also produces a <filename>.pfa</filename> file, the ascii postscript font metrics file - (<filename>.pfb</filename> is for the binrary form). This + (<filename>.pfb</filename> is for the binrary form). This won't be needed, but could (I think) be useful for a fontserver.</para> <para>For example, to convert the 30f9 Barcode font using the default file names, use the following command:</para> - <screen> +<screen> <prompt>%</prompt> <userinput>gs -dNODISPLAY -- ttf2pf.ps 3of9.ttf</userinput> Aladdin Ghostscript 5.10 (1997-11-23) Copyright (C) 1997 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA. All rights reserved. This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details. Converting 3of9.ttf to 3of9.pfa and 3of9.afm. - </screen> +</screen> <para>If you want the converted fonts to be stored in <filename>A.pfa</filename> and <filename>B.afm</filename>, then use this command:</para> - <screen> +<screen> <prompt>%</prompt> <userinput>gs -dNODISPLAY -- ttf2pf.ps 3of9.ttf A B</userinput> Aladdin Ghostscript 5.10 (1997-11-23) Copyright (C) 1997 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA. All rights reserved. This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details. Converting 3of9.ttf to A.pfa and B.afm. - </screen> +</screen> </listitem> <listitem> @@ -772,34 +840,33 @@ <para>Change directories to <filename>/usr/share/groff_font/devps</filename> so as to - make the following command easier to execute. You'll - probably need root priviledges for this. (Or, if you're + make the following command easier to execute. You'll + probably need root priviledges for this. (Or, if you're paranoid about working there, make sure you reference the files <filename>DESC</filename>, <filename>text.enc</filename> and <filename>generate/textmap</filename> as being in this directory.)</para> - <screen> +<screen> <prompt>%</prompt> <userinput>afmtodit -d DESC -e text.enc file.afm \ generate/textmap <replaceable>PS_font_name</replaceable></userinput> - </screen> +</screen> <para>Where, <filename>file.afm</filename> is the <replaceable>AFM_name</replaceable> created by <command>ttf2pf.ps</command> above, and <replaceable>PS_font_name</replaceable> is the font name used from that command, as well as the name that - &man.groff.1; - will use for references to this font. For example, assuming - you used the first <command>tiff2pf.ps</command> command - above, then the 3of9 Barcode font can be created using the - command:</para> + &man.groff.1; will use for references to this font. For + example, assuming you used the first + <command>tiff2pf.ps</command> command above, then the 3of9 + Barcode font can be created using the command:</para> - <screen> +<screen> <prompt>%</prompt> <userinput>afmtodit -d DESC -e text.enc 3of9.afm \ generate/textmap 3of9</userinput> - </screen> +</screen> <para>Ensure that the resulting <replaceable>PS_font_name</replaceable> file (e.g., @@ -814,137 +881,146 @@ <filename>.afm</filename> file prior to running <command>afmtodit</command>. This name must also match the one used in the Fontmap file if you wish to pipe - &man.groff.1; into - &man.gs.1;.</para> + &man.groff.1; into &man.gs.1;.</para> </listitem> </orderedlist> </sect1> -<sect1> -<title>Can TrueType fonts be used with other programs? + + Can TrueType fonts be used with other programs? + + The TrueType font format is used by Windows, Windows 95, and + Mac's. It is quite popular and there are a great number of + fonts available in this format. + + Unfortunately, there are few applications that I am aware of + that can use this format: Ghostscript and Povray come to mind. + Ghostscript's support, according to the documentation, is + rudimentary and the results are likely to be inferior to type 1 + fonts. Povray version 3 also has the ability to use TrueType + fonts, but I rather doubt many people will be creating documents + as a series of raytraced pages :-). + + This rather dismal situation may soon change. The FreeType Project is + currently developing a useful set of FreeType tools: + + + + The xfsft font server for X11 can + serve TrueType fonts in addition to regular fonts. Though + currently in beta, it is said to be quite useable. See + Juliusz + Chroboczek's page for further information. + Porting instructions for FreeBSD can be found at Stephen + Montgomery's software page. + + + + xfstt is another font server for X11, + available under + ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/X11/fonts. + + + + A program called ttf2bdf can produce + BDF files suitable for use in an X environment from TrueType + files. Linux binaries are said to be available from ftp://crl.nmsu.edu/CLR/multiling/General/. + + + + For people requiring the use of Asian TrueType fonts, + the XTT font server may be worth a look. + Information about XTT can be found at + URL: http://hawk.ise.chuo-u.ac.jp/student/person/tshiozak/study/freebsd-at-random/x-tt/index-en.html. + + + + and others … + + + + The FreeType Projects + page is a good starting point for information on + these and other free TrueType projects. + + + + Where can additional fonts be obtained? + + Many fonts are available on the Internet. They are either + entirely free, or are share-ware. In addition, there are many + inexpensive CDROMs available that contain many fonts. Some + Internet locations (as of August 1996) are: + + + + ftp://ftp.winsite.com + (Formerly CICA) + + + + http://www.simtel.net/simcgi-bin/dosfind.cgi + + + + ftp://ftp.coast.net/ + + + + http://af-pc-plloyd.ecel.uwa.edu.au/fonts/index.html + + + + http://www.esselte.com/letraset/index.html + + + + http://www.inil.com/users/elfring/esf.htm + + + + + + Additional questions + + + + What use are the .pfm files? + + + + Can one generate the .afm file from + a .pfa or + .pfb? + -The TrueType font format is used by Windows, Windows 95, and -Mac's. It is quite popular and there are a great number of -fonts available in this format. - -Unfortunately, there are few applications that I am aware of -that can use this format: Ghostscript and Povray come to mind. -Ghostscript's support, according to the documentation, is rudimentary -and the results are likely to be inferior to type 1 fonts. -Povray version 3 also has the ability to use TrueType fonts, but -I rather doubt many people will be creating documents as a series of -raytraced pages :-). - -This rather dismal situation may soon change. -The FreeType Project -is currently developing a useful set of FreeType tools: - - - -The xfsft font server for X11 can serve -TrueType fonts in addition to regular fonts. Though currently in -beta, it is said to be quite useable. See Juliusz -Chroboczek's page for further information. Porting instructions -for FreeBSD can be found at Stephen Montgomery's -software page. - - - -xfstt is another font -server for X11, available under -ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/X11/fonts. - - -A program called ttf2bdf can produce -BDF files suitable for use in an X environment from TrueType files. Linux -binaries are said to be available from ftp://crl.nmsu.edu/CLR/multiling/General/. - - - - -For people requiring the use of Asian TrueType fonts, the -XTT font server may be worth a look. Information about -XTT can be found at URL: http://hawk.ise.chuo-u.ac.jp/student/person/tshiozak/study/freebsd-at-random/x-tt/index-en.html. - - - -and others … - - - -The -FreeType Projects page - is a good starting point for information on these and other -free TrueType projects. - - - - -Where can additional fonts be obtained? - -Many fonts are available on the Internet. They are either -entirely free, or are share-ware. In addition, there are many -inexpensive CDROMs available that contain many fonts. Some Internet -locations (as of August 1996) are: - - - -ftp://ftp.winsite.com (Formerly -CICA) - -http://www.simtel.net/simcgi-bin/dosfind.cgi - -ftp://ftp.coast.net/ - -http://af-pc-plloyd.ecel.uwa.edu.au/fonts/index.html - -http://www.esselte.com/letraset/index.html - -http://www.inil.com/users/elfring/esf.htm - - - - - - -Additional questions - - - - -What use are the .pfm files? - - - -Can one generate the .afm file from a .pfa or .pfb? - - - -How to generate the groff character mapping files for postscript fonts -with non-standard character names? - - - -Can xditview and devX?? devices be setup to access all the new fonts? - - - -It would be good to have examples of using TrueType fonts with povray and -ghostscript. - - - - - + + How to generate the groff character mapping files for + postscript fonts with non-standard character names? + + + + Can xditview and devX?? devices be setup to access all + the new fonts? + + + + It would be good to have examples of using TrueType + fonts with povray and ghostscript. + + +
>Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Oct 8 10:50:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916F814EC4 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA11038; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA8914D7C for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:49:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Ze94-000Oed-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 19:49:30 +0200 Received: (qmail 61821 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Oct 1999 16:21:12 -0000 Message-Id: <19991008162111.61820.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 8 Oct 1999 16:21:11 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14210: markup fixes for formatting-media article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14210 >Category: docs >Synopsis: markup fixes for formatting-media article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 8 10:50:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: I've changed formatting-media to use s and s, fixed up the s without &prompt references, and used for annotations. I've removed wrappings of lists, where appropriate and possible. Replaced s to man pages with &man entities. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/nbm/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -r1.8 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/10/04 21:48:24 1.8 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/08 16:14:09 @@ -1,4 +1,7 @@ - + +%man; +]>
@@ -39,6 +42,7 @@ FreeBSD. There are two possible modes of disk formatting: + compatibility mode: Arranging a @@ -50,7 +54,6 @@ adding disks easier, however non-FreeBSD operating systems may not accept the disk. - For most cases, dedicated mode is the easiest to set up and use in existing systems, as a new disk is usually dedicated entirely to @@ -169,42 +172,42 @@ confusion from slicing disks. For FreeBSD versions 2.1.7 and later, this is perhaps the simplest way to slice disks. - -Start sysinstall as root by typing + +Start sysinstall as root by typing -/stand/sysinstall +&prompt.root; /stand/sysinstall -from the command prompt. +from the command prompt. -Select Index. -Select Partition. -Select the disk to edit with arrow keys and +Select Index. +Select Partition. +Select the disk to edit with arrow keys and SPACE. - -If you are using this entire disk for FreeBSD, select -A. -When asked: + +If you are using this entire disk for FreeBSD, select +A. +When asked: Do you want to do this with a true partition entry so as to remain cooperative with any future possible operating systems on the drive(s)? -answer No. -When asked if you still want to do this, answer -Yes. -Select Write. -When warned about Writing on installed systems, answer -Yes. -Quitthe FDISK Editor and -ESCAPE back to the Index menu. -Select Label from the Index -menu. -Label as desired. For a single partition, enter +answer No. +When asked if you still want to do this, answer +Yes. +Select Write. +When warned about Writing on installed systems, answer +Yes. +Quitthe FDISK Editor and +ESCAPE back to the Index menu. +Select Label from the Index +menu. +Label as desired. For a single partition, enter C to Create a partition, accept the default size, partition type Filesystem, and a mountpoint (which isn't -used). -Enter W when done and confirm to +used). +Enter W when done and confirm to continue. The filesystem will be newfs'd for you, unless you select otherwise (for news partitions you'll want to do this!). You'll get the error: @@ -212,9 +215,9 @@ Error mounting /mnt/dev/wd2s1e on /mnt/blah : No such file or directory Ignore. - -Exit out by repeatedly pressing ESCAPE. - + +Exit out by repeatedly pressing ESCAPE. + @@ -225,12 +228,10 @@ name. Lines beginning with # are comments. - - dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rwd2 count=2 - disklabel /dev/rwd2 | disklabel -B -R -r wd2 /dev/stdin - # We only want one partition, so using slice 'c' should be fine: - newfs /dev/rwd2c - +&prompt.root; dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rwd2 count=2 +&prompt.root; disklabel /dev/rwd2 | disklabel -B -R -r wd2 /dev/stdin +We only want one partition, so using slice 'c' should be fine: +&prompt.root; newfs /dev/rwd2c @@ -239,14 +240,12 @@ - - dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rwd2 count=2 - disklabel /dev/r$d > /tmp/label - # Edit disklabel to add partitions: - vi /tmp/label - disklabel -B -R -r wd2 /tmp/label - # newfs partitions appropriately - +&prompt.root; dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rwd2 count=2 +&prompt.root; disklabel /dev/r$d > /tmp/label +Edit disklabel to add partitions: +&prompt.root; vi /tmp/label +&prompt.root; disklabel -B -R -r wd2 /tmp/label +newfs partitions appropriately @@ -271,50 +270,50 @@ Making Compatibility Mode Disks Using Sysinstall - -Start sysinstall as root by typing + +Start sysinstall as root by typing -/stand/sysinstall +&prompt.root; /stand/sysinstall -from the command prompt. +from the command prompt. -Select Index. -Select Partition. -Select the disk to edit with arrow keys and +Select Index. +Select Partition. +Select the disk to edit with arrow keys and SPACE. - -If you are using this entire disk for FreeBSD, select -A. + +If you are using this entire disk for FreeBSD, select +A. -When asked: +When asked: Do you want to do this with a true partition entry so as to remain cooperative with any future possible operating systems on the drive(s)? - answer yes. -Select Write. -When asked to install the boot manager, select None with -SPACE then hit ENTER for OK. -Quit the FDISK Editor. -You'll be asked about the boot manager, select + answer yes. +Select Write. +When asked to install the boot manager, select None with +SPACE then hit ENTER for OK. +Quit the FDISK Editor. +You'll be asked about the boot manager, select None -again. -Select Label from the Index -menu. -Label as desired. For a single partition, accept the +again. +Select Label from the Index +menu. +Label as desired. For a single partition, accept the default size, type filesystem, and a mountpoint (which isn't -used). -The filesystem will be newfs'd for you, unless you select otherwise (for news partitions you'll want to do this!). You'll get the error: +used). +The filesystem will be newfs'd for you, unless you select otherwise (for news partitions you'll want to do this!). You'll get the error: Error mounting /mnt/dev/wd2s1e on /mnt/blah : No such file or directory Ignore. - -Exit out by repeatedly pressing ESCAPE. - + +Exit out by repeatedly pressing ESCAPE. + Your new disk is now ready for use. @@ -330,36 +329,36 @@ Although adding swap space to existing disks is very difficult, a new disk can be partitioned with additional swap space. -To add swap space when adding a disk to a system: - -When partitioning the disk, edit the disklabel and +To add swap space when adding a disk to a system: + +When partitioning the disk, edit the disklabel and allocate the amount of swap space to add in partition `b' and the remainder in another partition, such as `a' or `e'. The size is given -in 512 byte blocks. -When newfsing the drive, do NOT newfs the `c' +in 512 byte blocks. +When newfsing the drive, do NOT newfs the `c' partition. Instead, newfs the partition where the non-swap space -lies. -Add an entry to /etc/fstab as follows: +lies. +Add an entry to /etc/fstab as follows: /dev/wd0b none swap sw 0 0 + Change /dev/wd0b to the device of the newly added -space. -To make the new space immediately available, use the +space. +To make the new space immediately available, use the swapon command. -$ swapon /dev/sd0b +&prompt.root; swapon /dev/sd0b swapon: added /dev/sd0b as swap space - - - + + @@ -371,13 +370,11 @@ do: - -mount /dev/wd2 /mnt -pax -r -w -p e /usr/home /mnt -umount /mnt -rm -rf /usr/home/* -mount /dev/wd2 /usr/home - +&prompt.root; mount /dev/wd2 /mnt +&prompt.root; pax -r -w -p e /usr/home /mnt +&prompt.root; umount /mnt +&prompt.root; rm -rf /usr/home/* +&prompt.root; mount /dev/wd2 /usr/home @@ -390,7 +387,7 @@ The Concatenated Disk Driver, or CCD, allows you to treat several identical disks as a single disk. Striping can result in increased disk performance by distributing reads and -writes across the disks. See the ccd(4) and ccdconfig(4) man pages or the +writes across the disks. See the &man.ccd.4; and &man.ccdconfig.8; man pages or the CCD Homepage for further details. To create a new CCD, execute the following commands. This describes @@ -406,21 +403,22 @@ - -cd /dev ; sh MAKDEV ccd0 - -disklabel -r -w sd0 auto -disklabel -r -w sd1 auto -disklabel -r -w sd2 auto +&prompt.root; cd /dev ; sh MAKDEV ccd0 -disklabel -e sd0c # change type to 4.2BSD -disklabel -e sd1c # change type to 4.2BSD -disklabel -e sd2c # change type to 4.2BSD +&prompt.root; disklabel -r -w sd0 auto +&prompt.root; disklabel -r -w sd1 auto +&prompt.root; disklabel -r -w sd2 auto + +&prompt.root; disklabel -e sd0c +change type to 4.2BSD +&prompt.root; disklabel -e sd1c +change type to 4.2BSD +&prompt.root; disklabel -e sd2c +change type to 4.2BSD -ccdconfig ccd0 32 0 /dev/sd0c /dev/sd1c /dev/sd2c +&prompt.root; ccdconfig ccd0 32 0 /dev/sd0c /dev/sd1c /dev/sd2c -newfs /dev/rccd0c - +&prompt.root; newfs /dev/rccd0c @@ -436,7 +434,7 @@ The author would like to thank the following individuals for -their contributions to this project: +their contributions to this project: Darryl Okahata (darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com) for his @@ -453,7 +451,6 @@ work and pointing out inaccuracies, as well as miscellaneous support. - >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Oct 8 11: 0:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A2614DE0 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA11853; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AAE14EC3 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Ze97-000Oed-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 19:49:34 +0200 Received: (qmail 62033 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Oct 1999 16:51:41 -0000 Message-Id: <19991008165141.62032.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 8 Oct 1999 16:51:41 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14211: indent-style changes for formatting-media Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14211 >Category: docs >Synopsis: indent-style changes for formatting-media >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 8 11:00:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: This indents the formatting-media article in the proposed style. This is entirely whitespace changes, translators may ignore it, but should note the style. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- article.sgml.old Fri Oct 8 18:14:09 1999 +++ article.sgml Fri Oct 8 18:43:02 1999 @@ -4,228 +4,310 @@ ]>
+ + Formatting Media For Use With FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE - -Formatting Media For Use With FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE -A Tutorial - - - -Doug -White - -
dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu
- - - - -March 1997 -This document describes how to slice, partition, and -format hard disk drives and similar media for use with FreeBSD. The -examples given have been tested under FreeBSD 2.2-GAMMA and may work -for other releases. - - - - -Introduction & Definitions - - -Overview -Successfully adding disks to an existing system is the mark of an -experienced system administrator. Slicing, partitioning, and adding -disks requires a careful dance of proper command and name syntax. One -slipped finger and an entire disk could disappear in seconds. This -document is written in an attempt to simplify this process and avoid -accidents. Thankfully, enhancements to existing tools (notably -sysinstall) have greatly improved this process in recent releases of -FreeBSD. - -There are two possible modes of disk formatting: - - - -compatibility mode: Arranging a -disk so that it has a slice table for use with other operating -systems. - -dangerously dedicated mode: -Formatting a disk with no slice table. This makes the process of -adding disks easier, however non-FreeBSD operating systems may not -accept the disk. - - -For most cases, dedicated mode is the easiest to set up and use -in existing systems, as a new disk is usually dedicated entirely to -FreeBSD. However, compatibility mode insures optimum interoperability -with future installations at a cost of increased complexity. - -In addition to selecting the mode, two methods of slicing the -disk are available. One is using the system installation tool -/stand/sysinstall. 2.1.7-RELEASE and later -versions of sysinstall contain code to ease setup -of disks during normal system operation, mainly allowing access to the -Label and Partition editors and a Write feature which will update just -the selected disk and slice without affecting other disks. The other -method is running the tools manually from a root command line. For -dangerously dedicated mode, only three or four commands are involved -while sysinstall requires some manipulation. - - -Definitions - -UNIX disk management over the centuries has invented many new -definitions for old words. The following glossary covers the -definitions used in this document and (hopefully) for FreeBSD in -general. + A Tutorial + + + + Doug + + White + + +
+ dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu +
+ + + + + March 1997 + + + This document describes how to slice, partition, and + format hard disk drives and similar media for use with + FreeBSD. The examples given have been tested under FreeBSD + 2.2-GAMMA and may work for other releases. + + + + + Introduction & Definitions + + + Overview + + Successfully adding disks to an existing system is the + mark of an experienced system administrator. Slicing, + partitioning, and adding disks requires a careful dance of + proper command and name syntax. One slipped finger and an + entire disk could disappear in seconds. This document is + written in an attempt to simplify this process and avoid + accidents. Thankfully, enhancements to existing tools + (notably sysinstall) have greatly improved this process in + recent releases of FreeBSD. + + There are two possible modes of disk formatting: + + + + compatibility mode: Arranging a + disk so that it has a slice table for use with other + operating systems. + + + + dangerously dedicated mode: + Formatting a disk with no slice table. This makes the + process of adding disks easier, however non-FreeBSD + operating systems may not accept the disk. + + + + For most cases, dedicated mode is the easiest to set up + and use in existing systems, as a new disk is usually + dedicated entirely to FreeBSD. However, compatibility mode + insures optimum interoperability with future installations at + a cost of increased complexity. + + In addition to selecting the mode, two methods of slicing + the disk are available. One is using the system installation + tool /stand/sysinstall. 2.1.7-RELEASE and + later versions of sysinstall contain code + to ease setup of disks during normal system operation, mainly + allowing access to the Label and Partition editors and a Write + feature which will update just the selected disk and slice + without affecting other disks. The other method is running + the tools manually from a root command line. For dangerously + dedicated mode, only three or four commands are involved while + sysinstall requires some + manipulation. + + + + Definitions + + UNIX disk management over the centuries has invented many + new definitions for old words. The following glossary covers + the definitions used in this document and (hopefully) for + FreeBSD in general. - -compatibility mode: Arranging a disk so that it has a slice -table for use with other operating systems. Oppose dangerously -dedicated mode. - -dangerously dedicated mode: Formatting a disk with no slice -table. This makes the process of adding disks easier, however -non-FreeBSD operating systems may not accept the disk. Oppose -compatibility mode. - -disk: A circular disc, covered with magnetic or similarly -manipulable material, spun by a motor under a head. Data is stored on -the disk by changing the pattern of magnetism on the disc, which can -be later read. Hard disks, CD-ROMs, Magneto-optical,and Zip/Jaz -removables are examples of disks. - -slice: A division of a disk. Up to four slices are permitted on one -disk in the PC standard. Slices are composed of contiguous sectors. -Slices are recorded in a slice table used by the system BIOS to -locate bootable partitions. The slice table is usually called the -Partition Table in DOS parlance. Maintained by the fdisk utility. - -partition: A division of a slice. Usually used in reference -to divisions of the FreeBSD slice of a disk. Each filesystem and swap -area on a disk resides in a partition. Maintained using the disklabel -utility. + + + compatibility mode: Arranging a disk so that it has a + slice table for use with other operating systems. Oppose + dangerously dedicated mode. + + + + dangerously dedicated mode: Formatting a disk with no + slice table. This makes the process of adding disks + easier, however non-FreeBSD operating systems may not + accept the disk. Oppose compatibility mode. + + + + disk: A circular disc, covered with magnetic or + similarly manipulable material, spun by a motor under a + head. Data is stored on the disk by changing the pattern + of magnetism on the disc, which can be later read. Hard + disks, CD-ROMs, Magneto-optical,and Zip/Jaz removables are + examples of disks. + + + + slice: A division of a disk. Up to four slices are + permitted on one disk in the PC standard. Slices are + composed of contiguous sectors. Slices are recorded in a + slice table used by the system BIOS to + locate bootable partitions. The slice table is usually + called the Partition Table in DOS parlance. Maintained by + the fdisk utility. + + + + partition: A division of a slice. Usually used in + reference to divisions of the FreeBSD slice of a disk. + Each filesystem and swap area on a disk resides in a + partition. Maintained using the disklabel utility. + -sector: Smallest subdivision of a disk. One sector usually -represents 512 bytes of data. - - - - - -Warnings & Pitfalls - -Building disks is not something to take lightly. It is quite possible -to destroy the contents of other disks in your system if the proper -precautions are not taken. - -Check your work carefully. It is very simple to destroy -the incorrect disk when working with these commands. When -in doubt consult the kernel boot output for the proper device. - -Needless to say, we are not responsible for any damage to any data -or hardware that you may experience. You work at your own risk! - - + + sector: Smallest subdivision of a disk. One sector + usually represents 512 bytes of data. + + + + + + Warnings & Pitfalls + + Building disks is not something to take lightly. It is + quite possible to destroy the contents of other disks in your + system if the proper precautions are not taken. + + Check your work carefully. It is very simple + to destroy the incorrect disk when working with these + commands. When in doubt consult the kernel boot output for + the proper device. + + Needless to say, we are not responsible for any damage to + any data or hardware that you may experience. You work at + your own risk! + + + + Zip, Jaz, and Other Removables + + Removable disks can be formatted in the same way as normal + hard disks. It is essential to have the disk drive connected + to the system and a disk placed in the drive during startup, + so the kernel can determine the drive's geometry. Check the + dmesg output and make sure your device and + the disk's size is listed. If the kernel reports - -Zip, Jaz, and Other Removables - -Removable disks can be formatted in the same way as normal hard -disks. It is essential to have the disk drive connected to the system -and a disk placed in the drive during startup, so the kernel can -determine the drive's geometry. Check the dmesg -output and make sure your device and the disk's size is listed. If -the kernel reports Can't get the size -then the disk was not in the drive. In this case, you will need to restart the -machine before attempting to format disks. - - - - - -Formatting Disks in Dedicated Mode - - -Introduction - -This section details how to make disks that are totally dedicated to -FreeBSD. Remember, dedicated mode disks cannot be booted by the PC -architecture. - - - -Making Dedicated Mode Disks using Sysinstall - -/stand/sysinstall, the system installation -utility, has been expanded in recent versions to make the process of -dividing disks properly a less tiring affair. The fdisk and disklabel -editors built into sysinstall are GUI tools that remove much of the -confusion from slicing disks. For FreeBSD versions 2.1.7 and later, -this is perhaps the simplest way to slice disks. - -Start sysinstall as root by typing + then the disk was not in the drive. In this case, you will + need to restart the machine before attempting to format + disks. + + + + + Formatting Disks in Dedicated Mode + + + Introduction + + This section details how to make disks that are totally + dedicated to FreeBSD. Remember, dedicated mode disks cannot + be booted by the PC architecture. + + + + Making Dedicated Mode Disks using Sysinstall + + /stand/sysinstall, the system + installation utility, has been expanded in recent versions to + make the process of dividing disks properly a less tiring + affair. The fdisk and disklabel editors built into sysinstall + are GUI tools that remove much of the confusion from slicing + disks. For FreeBSD versions 2.1.7 and later, this is perhaps + the simplest way to slice disks. + + + + Start sysinstall as root by typing + -&prompt.root; /stand/sysinstall + +&prompt.root; /stand/sysinstall + -from the command prompt. -Select Index. -Select Partition. -Select the disk to edit with arrow keys and -SPACE. - -If you are using this entire disk for FreeBSD, select -A. -When asked: + from the command prompt. + + + + Select Index. + + + + Select Partition. + + + + Select the disk to edit with arrow keys and + SPACE. + + + + If you are using this entire disk for FreeBSD, select + A. + + + + When asked: + Do you want to do this with a true partition entry so as to remain cooperative with any future possible operating systems on the drive(s)? -answer No. -When asked if you still want to do this, answer -Yes. -Select Write. -When warned about Writing on installed systems, answer -Yes. -Quitthe FDISK Editor and -ESCAPE back to the Index menu. -Select Label from the Index -menu. -Label as desired. For a single partition, enter -C to Create a partition, accept the -default size, partition type Filesystem, and a mountpoint (which isn't -used). -Enter W when done and confirm to -continue. The filesystem will be newfs'd for you, unless you select -otherwise (for news partitions you'll want to do this!). You'll get -the error: + + + answer No. + + + + When asked if you still want to do this, answer + Yes. + + + + Select Write. + + + + When warned about Writing on installed systems, answer + Yes. + + + + Quitthe FDISK Editor and + ESCAPE back to the Index menu. + + + + Select Label from the Index + menu. + + + + Label as desired. For a single partition, enter + C to Create a partition, accept the + default size, partition type Filesystem, and a mountpoint + (which isn't used). + + + + Enter W when done and confirm to + continue. The filesystem will be newfs'd for you, unless + you select otherwise (for news partitions you'll want to + do this!). You'll get the error: + -Error mounting /mnt/dev/wd2s1e on /mnt/blah : No such file or directory + +Error mounting /mnt/dev/wd2s1e on /mnt/blah : No such file or directory -Ignore. - -Exit out by repeatedly pressing ESCAPE. - - - - -Making Dedicated Mode Disks Using the Command Line + Ignore. + + + + Exit out by repeatedly pressing + ESCAPE. + + + + + + Making Dedicated Mode Disks Using the Command Line + + Execute the following commands, replacing wd2 with the + disk name. Lines beginning with # are comments. -Execute the following commands, replacing wd2 with the disk -name. Lines beginning with # are comments. &prompt.root; dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rwd2 count=2 @@ -235,8 +317,8 @@ - If you need to edit the disklabel to create multiple -partitions (such as swap), use the following: + If you need to edit the disklabel to create multiple + partitions (such as swap), use the following: @@ -249,106 +331,167 @@ -Your disk is now ready for use. - - - - - -Making Compatibility Mode Disks - - -Introduction -The command line is the easiest way to make dedicated disks, and -the worst way to make compatibility disks. The command-line fdisk -utility requires higher math skills and an in-depth understanding of -the slice table, which is more than most people want to deal with. -Use sysinstall for compatibility disks, as described below. + Your disk is now ready for use. + + + + + Making Compatibility Mode Disks + + + Introduction + + The command line is the easiest way to make dedicated + disks, and the worst way to make compatibility disks. The + command-line fdisk utility requires higher math skills and an + in-depth understanding of the slice table, which is more than + most people want to deal with. Use sysinstall for + compatibility disks, as described below. + + + + Making Compatibility Mode Disks Using Sysinstall + + + + Start sysinstall as root by typing - - - -Making Compatibility Mode Disks Using Sysinstall - - -Start sysinstall as root by typing &prompt.root; /stand/sysinstall -from the command prompt. -Select Index. -Select Partition. -Select the disk to edit with arrow keys and -SPACE. - -If you are using this entire disk for FreeBSD, select -A. + from the command prompt. + + + + Select Index. + + + + Select Partition. + + + + Select the disk to edit with arrow keys and + SPACE. + + + + If you are using this entire disk for FreeBSD, select + A. + + + + When asked: -When asked: Do you want to do this with a true partition entry so as to remain cooperative with any future possible operating systems on the drive(s)? - answer yes. -Select Write. -When asked to install the boot manager, select None with -SPACE then hit ENTER for OK. -Quit the FDISK Editor. -You'll be asked about the boot manager, select -None -again. -Select Label from the Index -menu. -Label as desired. For a single partition, accept the -default size, type filesystem, and a mountpoint (which isn't -used). -The filesystem will be newfs'd for you, unless you select otherwise (for news partitions you'll want to do this!). You'll get the error: + + answer yes. + + + + Select Write. + + + + When asked to install the boot manager, select None + with SPACE then hit + ENTER for OK. + + + + Quit the FDISK Editor. + + + + You'll be asked about the boot manager, select + None again. + + + + Select Label from the Index + menu. + + + + Label as desired. For a single partition, accept the + default size, type filesystem, and a mountpoint (which + isn't used). + + + + The filesystem will be newfs'd for you, unless you + select otherwise (for news partitions you'll want to do + this!). You'll get the error: + Error mounting /mnt/dev/wd2s1e on /mnt/blah : No such file or directory -Ignore. - -Exit out by repeatedly pressing ESCAPE. - - -Your new disk is now ready for use. - - - - - -Other Disk Operations - -Adding Swap Space - -As a system grows, it's need for swap space can also grow. -Although adding swap space to existing disks is very difficult, a new -disk can be partitioned with additional swap space. - -To add swap space when adding a disk to a system: - -When partitioning the disk, edit the disklabel and -allocate the amount of swap space to add in partition `b' and the -remainder in another partition, such as `a' or `e'. The size is given -in 512 byte blocks. -When newfsing the drive, do NOT newfs the `c' -partition. Instead, newfs the partition where the non-swap space -lies. -Add an entry to /etc/fstab as follows: + + Ignore. + + + + Exit out by repeatedly pressing + ESCAPE. + + + + Your new disk is now ready for use. + + + + + Other Disk Operations + + + Adding Swap Space + + As a system grows, it's need for swap space can also grow. + Although adding swap space to existing disks is very + difficult, a new disk can be partitioned with additional swap + space. + + To add swap space when adding a disk to a system: + + + + When partitioning the disk, edit the disklabel and + allocate the amount of swap space to add in partition `b' + and the remainder in another partition, such as `a' or + `e'. The size is given in 512 byte blocks. + + + + When newfsing the drive, do NOT newfs the `c' + partition. Instead, newfs the partition where the + non-swap space lies. + + + + Add an entry to /etc/fstab as + follows: + /dev/wd0b none swap sw 0 0 - -Change /dev/wd0b to the device of the newly added -space. -To make the new space immediately available, use the -swapon command. + + Change /dev/wd0b to the device of the newly added + space. + + + + To make the new space immediately available, use the + swapon command. + @@ -356,18 +499,21 @@ swapon: added /dev/sd0b as swap space - - - - + + + + - -Copying the Contents of Disks + + Copying the Contents of Disks -Submitted By: Renaud Waldura (renaud@softway.com) + + Submitted By: Renaud Waldura + (renaud@softway.com) + + To move file from your original base disk to the fresh new + one, do: -To move file from your original base disk to the fresh new one, -do: &prompt.root; mount /dev/wd2 /mnt @@ -376,30 +522,35 @@ &prompt.root; rm -rf /usr/home/* &prompt.root; mount /dev/wd2 /usr/home - - - + + + + + Creating Striped Disks using CCD - -Creating Striped Disks using CCD -Commands Submitted By: Stan Brown (stanb@awod.com) - - -The Concatenated Disk Driver, or CCD, allows you to treat several identical disks as a single disk. -Striping can result in increased disk performance by distributing reads and -writes across the disks. See the &man.ccd.4; and &man.ccdconfig.8; man pages or the -CCD Homepage for further details. - -To create a new CCD, execute the following commands. This describes -how to add three disks together; simply add or remove devices as -necessary. Remember that the disks to be striped must be identical. + Commands Submitted By: Stan Brown + (stanb@awod.com) + + The Concatenated Disk Driver, or CCD, allows you to treat + several identical disks as a single disk. Striping can result + in increased disk performance by distributing reads and writes + across the disks. See the &man.ccd.4; and &man.ccdconfig.8; + man pages or the CCD + Homepage for further details. + + To create a new CCD, execute the following commands. This + describes how to add three disks together; simply add or + remove devices as necessary. Remember that the disks to be + striped must be identical. + + Before executing these commands, make sure you add the line -Before executing these commands, make sure you add the line pseudo-device ccd 4 -to your kernel. + to your kernel. @@ -422,36 +573,41 @@ -Now you can mount and use your CCD by referencing device /dev/ccd0c. - - - - - - -Credits - - - -The author would like to thank the following individuals for -their contributions to this project: - -Darryl Okahata -(darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com) for his -simple dedicated mode setup documentation which I have used repeatedly -on freebsd-questions. -Jordan Hubbard -(jkh@FreeBSD.org) for making -sysinstall useful for this type of task. -John Fieber -(jfieber@indiana.edu) for making -information and examples of the DocBook DTD on which this document is -based. -Greg Lehey (grog@FreeBSD.org) for checking my -work and pointing out inaccuracies, as well as miscellaneous support. - - - - - + Now you can mount and use your CCD by referencing device + /dev/ccd0c. + + + + + Credits + + The author would like to thank the following individuals for + their contributions to this project: + + + + Darryl Okahata + (darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com) for his simple + dedicated mode setup documentation which I have used + repeatedly on freebsd-questions. + + + + Jordan Hubbard (jkh@FreeBSD.org) for + making sysinstall useful for this type of task. + + + + John Fieber (jfieber@indiana.edu) for + making information and examples of the DocBook DTD on which + this document is based. + + + + Greg Lehey (grog@FreeBSD.org) for + checking my work and pointing out inaccuracies, as well as + miscellaneous support. + + +
>Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Oct 8 11:30:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF9B1529F for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA14741; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE08514A25 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:28:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11ZekJ-000PAI-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:28:00 +0200 Received: (qmail 63470 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Oct 1999 18:28:00 -0000 Message-Id: <19991008182800.63469.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 8 Oct 1999 18:28:00 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14212: preparatory markup fixes for mh article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14212 >Category: docs >Synopsis: preparatory markup fixes for mh article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 8 11:30:00 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: Make use of &prompt.user entity for consistency. De- examples, if possible, to ease indenting. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/nbm/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/mh/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/10/04 21:45:05 1.5 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/08 17:03:33 @@ -54,7 +54,7 @@ installed the MH package on your FreeBSD machine. If you installed from CDROM you should be able to execute the following to load mh: -# pkg_add /cdrom/packages/mh-6.8.3.tgz +&prompt.root; pkg_add /cdrom/packages/mh-6.8.3.tgz You will notice that it created a /usr/local/lib/mh directory for you as well as adding several binaries to the @@ -107,6 +107,7 @@ the MH defaults and ask you about creating a Mail directory. If you have mail waiting to be downloaded you will see something that looks like: + 29 01/15 Doug White Re: Another Failed to boot problem<<On Mon, 15 J 30 01/16 "Jordan K. Hubbar Re: FBSD 2.1<<> Do you want a library instead of @@ -114,6 +115,7 @@ 32 01/16 "Jordan K. Hubbar Re: video is up<<> Anyway, mrouted won't run, ev 33 01/16 Michael Smith Re: FBSD 2.1<<Nate Williams stands accused of sa + This is the same thing you will see from a scan (see ). If you just run inc with no arguments it will look on your computer for email that is supposed to @@ -122,9 +124,11 @@ A lot of people like to use POP for grabbing their email. MH can do POP to grab your email. You will need to give inc a few command line arguments. + -tempest% inc -host mail.pop.org -user username -norpop +&prompt.user; inc -host mail.pop.org -user username -norpop + That tells inc to go to mail.pop.org to download your email, and that your username on their system is username. The option tells @@ -149,9 +153,11 @@ command. If you just type show and hit return then it displays the current message. You can also give specific message numbers to show: + -tempest% show 32 45 56 +&prompt.user; show 32 45 56 + This would display message numbers 32, 45 and 56 right after each other. Unless you change the default behavior show basically just does a more on the email message. @@ -169,12 +175,14 @@ scan will display a brief listing of the messages in your current folder. This is an example of what the scan command will give you. + 30+ 01/16 "Jordan K. Hubbar Re: FBSD 2.1<<> Do you want a library instead of 31 01/16 Bruce Evans Re: location of bad144 table<<>> >It would appea 32 01/16 "Jordan K. Hubbar Re: video is up<<> Anyway, mrouted won't run, ev 33 01/16 Michael Smith Re: FBSD 2.1<<Nate Williams stands accused of sa + Like just about everything in MH this display is very configurable. This is the typical default display. It gives you the message number, the date on the email, the sender, the subject line, and a sentence @@ -214,19 +222,22 @@ The first thing that you will want to do is inc your new mail. So at a shell prompt just type in inc and hit return. + -tempest% inc +&prompt.user; inc Incorporating new mail into inbox... 36+ 01/19 "Stephen L. Lange Request...<<Please remove me as contact for pind 37 01/19 Matt Thomas Re: kern/950: Two PCI bridge chips fail (multipl 38 01/19 "Amancio Hasty Jr Re: FreeBSD and VAT<<>>> Bill Fenner said: > In -tempest% +&prompt.user; + This shows you the new email that has been added to your mailbox. So the next thing to do is show the email and move around. + -tempest% show +&prompt.user; show Received: by sashimi.wwa.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0tdMZ2-001W2UC; Fri, 19 Jan 96 13:33 CST Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:33:31 -0600 (CST) @@ -240,8 +251,8 @@ Please remove me as contact for pindat.com -tempest% rmm -tempest% next +&prompt.user; rmm +&prompt.user; next Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whydos.lkg.dec.com (8.6.11/8 .6.9) with SMTP id RAA24416; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:56:48 GMT Message-Id: <199601191756.RAA24416@whydos.lkg.dec.com> @@ -262,14 +273,15 @@ This is due to a typo in pcireg.h (to which I am probably the guilty party). - + The rmm removed the current message and the next command moved me on to the next message. Now if I wanted to look at ten most recent messages so I could read one of them here is what I would do: + -tempest% scan last:10 +&prompt.user; scan last:10 26 01/16 maddy Re: Testing some stuff<<yeah, well, Trinity has 27 01/17 Automatic digest NET-HAPPENINGS Digest - 16 Jan 1996 to 17 Jan 19 28 01/17 Evans A Criswell Re: Hey dude<<>From matt@tempest.garply.com Tue @@ -280,8 +292,9 @@ 35 01/19 support@foo.garpl [garply.com #1138] parlor<<Hello. This is the Ne 37+ 01/19 Matt Thomas Re: kern/950: Two PCI bridge chips fail (multipl 38 01/19 "Amancio Hasty Jr Re: FreeBSD and VAT<<>>> Bill Fenner said: > In -tempest% +&prompt.user; + Then if I wanted to read message number 27 I would do a show 27 and it would be displayed. As you can probably tell from this sample session MH is pretty easy to use and looking @@ -343,15 +356,16 @@ pick1 man page for a more thorough understanding. At its simplest level you can do something like + -tempest% pick -search pci +&prompt.user; pick -search pci 15 42 55 56 57 - + This will tell pick to look through every single line in every message in your current folder and tell you which message numbers it found the word pci in. You can then @@ -359,11 +373,13 @@ rmm them. You would have to specify something like show 15 42 55-57 to display them though. A slightly more useful thing to do is this: + -tempest% pick -search pci -seq pick +&prompt.user; pick -search pci -seq pick 5 hits -tempest% show pick +&prompt.user; show pick + This will show you the same messages you just didn't have to work as hard to do it. The option is really an abbreviation of and pick is @@ -377,6 +393,7 @@ consuming than just searching for message from someone, or to someone. So pick allows you to use the following predefined search criteria: + @@ -424,15 +441,16 @@ - + This allows you to do things like -tempest% pick -to freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org -seq hackers +&prompt.user; pick -to freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org -seq hackers to get a list of all the email send to the FreeBSD hackers mailing list. pick also allows you to group these criteria in different ways using the following options: + @@ -452,18 +470,22 @@ + These commands allow you to do things like + -tempest% pick -to freebsd-hackers -and -cc freebsd-hackers +&prompt.user; pick -to freebsd-hackers -and -cc freebsd-hackers + That will grab all the email in your inbox that was sent to freebsd-hackers or cc'd to that list. The brace options allow you to group search criteria together. This is sometimes very necessary as in the following example + -tempest% pick -lbrace -to freebsd-hackers -and +&prompt.user; pick -lbrace -to freebsd-hackers -and -not -cc freebsd-questions -rbrace -and -subject pci - + Basically this says pick (to freebsd-hackers and not cc'd on freebsd-questions) and the subject is pci. It should look through your @@ -506,6 +528,7 @@ folders is the same one you get when you change to a folder with folder +foldername. A folders command looks like this: + Folder # of messages ( range ); cur msg (other files) announce has 1 message ( 1- 1). @@ -521,7 +544,7 @@ TOTAL= 199 messages in 13 folders. - + The refile command is what you use to move messages between folders. When you do something like refile 23 @@ -573,13 +596,14 @@ -editor /usr/local/bin/pico/ instead. Once you have run comp you are in your editor and you see something that looks like this: + To: cc: Subject: -------- - + You need to put the person you are sending the mail to after the To: line. It works the same way for the other headers @@ -589,6 +613,7 @@ lot of email programs have special requesters that ask you for this information but there really isn't any point to that. Plus this really gives you excellent flexibility. + To:freebsd-rave@FreeBSD.org cc: @@ -596,6 +621,7 @@ -------- Wow this is an amazing operating system. Thanks! + You can now save this message and exit your editor. You will see the What now? prompt and you can type in send or s and hit @@ -644,6 +670,7 @@ components file and then edits it. You can add any kind of valid RFC822 header you want. For instance you could have something like this in your components file: + To: Fcc: out @@ -652,7 +679,7 @@ X-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ ------- - + MH would then copy this components file and throw you into your editor. The components file is fairly simple. If you wanted to have a signature on those messages you would just put your @@ -660,6 +687,7 @@ The replcomps file is a bit more complex. The default replcomps looks like this: + %(lit)%(formataddr %<{reply-to}%?{from}%?{sender}%?{return-path}%>)\ %<(nonnull)%(void(width))%(putaddr To: )\n%>\ @@ -672,7 +700,7 @@ %{message-id}%>\n%>\ -------- - + It's in the same basic format as the components file but it contains quite a few extra formatting codes. The @@ -681,13 +709,14 @@ address. The next part is %< which means if and the {reply-to} means the reply-to field in the original message. So that might be translated this way: + %<if {reply-to} the original message has a reply-to then give that to formataddr, %? else {from} take the from address, %? else {sender} take the sender address, %? else {return-path} take the return-path from the original message, %> endif. - + As you can tell MH formatting can get rather involved. You can probably decipher what most of the other functions and variables >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Oct 8 12:47: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DB115160 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@freebsd.org) Received: from modem-62.ibogaine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.72.190] ident=[z7DEUlXU7jJJWXOKrefpXyc2ZBik56Up]) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Zfym-0006zV-00 for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:47:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 16694 invoked by uid 5000); 8 Oct 1999 17:56:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:56:00 +0100 From: Tom Hukins To: Ion Mihai Tetcu Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD localization for Romania [2] Message-ID: <19991008185600.A16631@hukins.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Ion Mihai Tetcu , doc@freebsd.org References: <19991006231544.58CEF1578A@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19991006231544.58CEF1578A@hub.freebsd.org>; from Ion Mihai Tetcu on Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 02:11:41AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 02:11:41AM +0200, Ion Mihai Tetcu wrote: > > Is there a a localization of FreeBSD for Romania? I saw no sign of > it on the web page. No. See for a list of FreeBSD translations. > If not, is there a project to do it? I would like to join it. See the Documentation Project's page for more information on how to work on such a project. If you have any further questions after you've read through this, please ask. Regards, Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Oct 8 13:10:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7105153EF for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA22756; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BEE1521E for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:02:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11ZgDU-0000IJ-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 22:02:13 +0200 Received: (qmail 64645 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Oct 1999 20:02:15 -0000 Message-Id: <19991008200215.64644.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 8 Oct 1999 20:02:15 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14216: whitespace style update for mh article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14216 >Category: docs >Synopsis: whitespace style update for mh article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 8 13:10:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: Whitespace update as per proposed style. 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In-Reply-To: <19991008133430.368B81D72@bone.nectar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Jacques Vidrine wrote: > Grouchy much, Bill? :-) Too often. > Here is the new paragraph, with updated information. The sentences > are brand new. It would have been stupid to make two commits -- one > to replace the paragraph, and one to s/.[ ]/.[ ][ ]/ the paragraph. > Don't you agree? Yes. This would be smart. I just don't see how many of our documents are getting complete re-writes in the near future. > I don't think this is unreasonable. And I'm not saying ``mix formatting > commits with content commits''. Which is what I thought you were. > Relax. ;-) I'll give you the e-mail address of my boss, you can tell him "stop making Bill work insane hours". :> -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Oct 8 15:24: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.com (gw.nectar.com [209.98.143.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B13E153BC for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: from bone.nectar.com (bone.nectar.com [10.0.0.105]) by gw.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D07DC006; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:23:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bone.nectar.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bone.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2C31D72; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:23:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-rsa.txt X-PGP-DSSfprint: AB2F 8D71 A4F4 467D 352E 8A41 5D79 22E4 71A2 8C73 X-PGP-DHfprint: 2D50 12E5 AB38 60BA AF4B 0778 7242 4460 1C32 F6B1 X-PGP-DH-DSSkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-dh-dss.txt From: Jacques Vidrine To: Bill Fumerola Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project In-reply-to: References: Subject: Re: Style Challenge! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 17:23:54 -0500 Message-Id: <19991008222355.1B2C31D72@bone.nectar.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 8 October 1999 at 16:21, Bill Fumerola wrote: [snip] > > I don't think this is unreasonable. And I'm not saying ``mix formatting > > commits with content commits''. > > Which is what I thought you were. I should of been more clear. Thanks for catching it. > > Relax. ;-) > > I'll give you the e-mail address of my boss, you can tell him "stop making > Bill work insane hours". :> Yeah, I'm sure that would help 8-) Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 0: 5:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.ima-info.ro (cache.ima-info.ro [193.231.230.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A966158FB for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itetcu@go.ro) Received: (qmail 17456 invoked from network); 9 Oct 1999 06:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tim) (192.168.1.3) by cache.ima-info.ro with SMTP; 9 Oct 1999 06:06:26 -0000 From: "Ion Mihai Tetcu" To: "Stefanus Budiyanto" Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:58:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Order Tutorial Reply-To: itetcu@go.ro Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19991009070454.1A966158FB@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In 8 Oct 99, la 1:52, Stefanus Budiyanto a scris: > Hi Im New in Unix and i want to try to use FreeBsd but I dont know how, > can you attach FreeBsd Tutorial to me > > in > 22961517@students.ukdw.ac.id > > Thanks Alot > Bye.. 1.1. You should send questions you have to questions@freebsd.org, and you may find useful also the newbies@freebsd.org. (send a mail to majordomo@freebsd.doc with subscribe questions and subscribe newbies in the body) 1.2. It is better to do the following before asking questions on the question list: -Read the "Complete FreeBSD", by Greg Lehey, it`s in /book on the first CD (it`s one of the best computer book i`ve ever seen) and is containing all the things you want to know about installing and many, many other things. -Read the FAQ on the www.FreeBSD.org (you can find it also on your disk after installing the system :-( ) -Search the mailing list archive. Question is the place where you will get help from others users (some gurus), in 99% very good answers. 2. Newbies is the meeting place for new users. 3. Doc is for the documentation project, not for questions. Hope it helped, Ionut Ion Mihai Tetcu itetcu@go.ro ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get a free e-mail and 10M webspace at http://www.home.ro/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 2:50:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7522E14DC2 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA68962; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E9114C9D for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:43:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Zt1w-0009bP-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:43:08 +0200 Received: (qmail 74031 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Oct 1999 09:13:56 -0000 Message-Id: <19991009091356.74030.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 9 Oct 1999 09:13:56 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14227: pre-indent markup fix for multi-os article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14227 >Category: docs >Synopsis: pre-indent markup fix for multi-os article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Oct 9 02:50:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: Un-wrap some tables and examples. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/nbm/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/multi-os/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/10/04 21:41:03 1.7 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/09 09:08:44 @@ -131,6 +131,7 @@ install FreeBSD, Linux, and Windows 95 on them. Here's how I might do it using these hard disks: + @@ -142,7 +143,6 @@ - Both disks have 1416 cylinders. @@ -518,13 +518,13 @@ restricts users of this interface (i.e. boot managers hooked into your disk's MBR as well as OS loaders hooked into the Boot Sectors) to the following limits: + 1024 cylinders, max 256 heads , max 64 sectors/track, max (actually 63, 0 isn't available) - Now big hard disks have lots of cylinders but not a lot of heads, so invariably with big hard disks the number of cylinders is @@ -533,11 +533,11 @@ boot manager and the OS loader hooked into all bootable partitions' Boot Sectors) has to reside below cylinder 1024. In fact, if your hard disk is typical and has 16 heads, this equates to: + 1024 cyl/disk × 16 heads/disk × 63 sect/(cyl-head) × 512 bytes/sector - which is around the often-mentioned 528MB limit. @@ -558,16 +558,16 @@ To use my 1.6 Gig Western Digital as an example again, it's physical geometry is: + (3148 cyl, 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 512 bytes/sector) - However, my BIOS LBA remaps this to: + ( 787 cyl, 64 heads, 63 sectors/track, 512 bytes/sector) - giving the same effective size disk, but with cylinder and head counts within the BIOS API's range (Incidentally, I have both Linux and @@ -621,6 +621,7 @@ For reference, the following boot managers use the Master Boot Sector to store their code and data: + @@ -636,10 +637,10 @@ - These boot managers use a few additional sectors after the Master Boot Sector: + @@ -651,7 +652,6 @@ - @@ -665,10 +665,10 @@ If you have a bootable DOS partition on your disk, you can boot off a DOS floppy, and run: + A:\> FDISK /MBR - to put the original, simple DOS boot code back into the system. You can then boot DOS (and DOS only) off the hard drive. Alternatively, just >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 2:50:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725A114DBA for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA68971; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864B714D59 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:49:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Zt7T-0009ey-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:48:52 +0200 Received: (qmail 74384 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Oct 1999 09:48:55 -0000 Message-Id: <19991009094855.74383.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 9 Oct 1999 09:48:55 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14228: Whitespace style changes for multi-os article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14228 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Whitespace style changes for multi-os article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Oct 9 02:50:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: Same as before - apply proposed style changes to multi-os article. 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(5MUVQD;6```, ` end >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 9:40:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D3F154D1 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA43632; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D13151D3 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:30:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11ZzOI-0002Mb-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:30:39 +0200 Received: (qmail 75614 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Oct 1999 13:05:01 -0000 Message-Id: <19991009130501.75613.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 9 Oct 1999 13:05:01 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14236: markup fixes for new-users article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14236 >Category: docs >Synopsis: markup fixes for new-users article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Oct 9 09:40:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: # and % to &prompt entities. Un--wrap examples. Insert and s for a section. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/nbm/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/new-users/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -r1.8 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/10/04 21:36:22 1.8 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/09 11:21:45 @@ -42,27 +42,33 @@ # indicating root. To log out (and get a new login: prompt) type + -# exit +&prompt.root; exit + as often as necessary. Yes, press enter after commands, and remember that Unix is case-sensitive—exit, not EXIT. To shut down the machine type: + -# /sbin/shutdown -h now +&prompt.root; /sbin/shutdown -h now + Or to reboot type + -# /sbin/shutdown -r now +&prompt.root; /sbin/shutdown -r now + or + -# /sbin/reboot +&prompt.root; /sbin/reboot - You can also reboot with CtrlAltDelete. @@ -78,9 +84,11 @@ If you didn't create any users when you installed the system and are thus logged in as root, you should probably create a user now with + # adduser + The first time you use adduser, it might ask for some defaults to save. You might want to make the default shell csh instead of sh, if it suggests sh as the default. Otherwise just press enter to accept each default. @@ -92,9 +100,11 @@ if security (even kids around who might pound on the keyboard) is an issue. When it asks you if you want to invite jack into other groups, type wheel + Login group is ``jack''. Invite jack into other groups: wheel + This will make it possible to log in as jack and use the su command to become root. Then you won't get scolded any more for logging in as root. @@ -132,6 +142,7 @@ FreeBSD. Here are some commands and what they do: + id @@ -231,7 +242,7 @@ - + You'll notice aliases in .cshrc for some of the ls commands (they're very convenient). You can create other aliases by editing .cshrc. @@ -328,14 +339,15 @@ want to run the commands for daily, weekly, and monthly maintenance now and then. Run them as root and give each one time to finish before you start the next one, for now. + -# /etc/daily +&prompt.root; /etc/daily output omitted -# /etc/weekly +&prompt.root; /etc/weekly output omitted -# /etc/monthly +&prompt.root; /etc/monthly output omitted - + If you get tired waiting, press AltF2 to get @@ -374,7 +386,7 @@ excellent tutorial on vi in /usr/src/contrib/nvi/docs/tutorial if you have that installed; otherwise you can get it by ftp to -ftp.cdrom.com in the directory +ftp.cdrom.com in the directory FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/contrib/nvi/docs/tutorial. Before you edit a @@ -382,37 +394,44 @@ /etc/rc.conf. You could just use cd /etc to get to the /etc directory and do: + -# cp rc.conf rc.conf.orig +&prompt.root; cp rc.conf rc.conf.orig - + This would copy rc.conf to rc.conf.orig, and you could later copy rc.conf.orig to rc.conf to recover the original. But even better would be moving (renaming) and then copying back: + -# mv rc.conf rc.conf.orig -# cp rc.conf.orig rc.conf +&prompt.root; mv rc.conf rc.conf.orig +&prompt.root; cp rc.conf.orig rc.conf - + because the mv command preserves the original date and owner of the file. You can now edit rc.conf. If you want the original back, you'd then mv rc.conf rc.conf.myedit (assuming you want to preserve your edited version) and then + # mv rc.conf.orig rc.conf + to put things back the way they were. To edit a file, type + -# vi filename +&prompt.root; vi filename + Move through the text with the arrow keys. Esc (the escape key) puts vi in command mode. Here are some commands: + x @@ -445,8 +464,10 @@ + Once you type i or a, you can enter text. Esc puts you back in command mode where you can type + :w @@ -516,7 +537,6 @@ - Practice with vi in your home directory by creating a new file with vi filename and adding @@ -549,35 +569,43 @@ print it from DOS. Suppose you want to read carefully about changing permissions on files (pretty important). You can use the command man chmod to read about it. The command + -# man chmod | col -b > chmod.txt +&prompt.user; man chmod | col -b > chmod.txt + will remove formatting codes and send the man page to the chmod.txt file instead of showing it on your screen. Now put a dos-formatted diskette in your floppy drive a, su to root, and type + -# /sbin/mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt +&prompt.root; /sbin/mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt + to mount the floppy drive on /mnt. Now (you no longer need to be root, and you can type exit to get back to being user jack) you can go to the directory where you created chmod.txt and copy the file to the floppy with: + -% cp chmod.txt /mnt +&prompt.user; cp chmod.txt /mnt + and use ls /mnt to get a directory listing of /mnt, which should show the file chmod.txt. You might especially want to make a file from /sbin/dmesg by typing + -% /sbin/dmesg > dmesg.txt +&prompt.user; /sbin/dmesg > dmesg.txt + and copying dmesg.txt to the floppy. /sbin/dmesg is the boot log record, and it's useful to understand it because it shows what FreeBSD found when it @@ -589,9 +617,11 @@ You can now dismount the floppy drive (as root) to get the disk out with + -# /sbin/umount /mnt +&prompt.root; /sbin/umount /mnt + and reboot to go to DOS. Copy these files to a DOS directory, call them up with DOS EDIT, Windows Notepad or Wordpad, or a word processor, make a minor change so the file has to be saved, and print as you normally @@ -622,7 +652,6 @@ Other Useful Commands - df @@ -685,13 +714,15 @@ - + Use find to locate filename in /usr or any of its subdirectories with + -% find /usr -name "filename" +&prompt.user; find /usr -name "filename" + You can use * as a wildcard in "filename" (which should be in quotes). If you tell find to search in / @@ -736,11 +767,11 @@ Find the port you want, say kermit. There will be a directory for it on the cdrom. Copy the subdirectory to /usr/local (a good place for software you add -that should be available to all users) with: +that should be available to all users) with: -# cp -R /cdrom/ports/comm/kermit /usr/local +&prompt.root; cp -R /cdrom/ports/comm/kermit /usr/local - + This should result in a /usr/local/kermit subdirectory that has all the files that the kermit subdirectory on the CDROM has. @@ -757,10 +788,10 @@ Then cd to the subdirectory of /usr/local/kermit that has the file Makefile. Type + -# make all install +&prompt.root; make all install - During this process the port will ftp to get any compressed files it needs that it didn't find on the cdrom or in @@ -808,10 +839,12 @@ .cshrc in each user's home directory or (easier) in /etc/csh.cshrc, the system-wide csh start-up file: + setenv XKEYSYMDB /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB setenv XNLSPATH /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/nls + This assumes that the file XKeysymDB and the directory nls are in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11; if they're not, find them and put them there. @@ -849,26 +882,30 @@ Here are the three steps for installing a new shell: - 1. Install the shell as a port or a package, just as you + +Install the shell as a port or a package, just as you would any other port or package. Use rehash and which tcsh (assuming you're installing tcsh) to -make sure it got installed. +make sure it got installed. - 2. As root, edit /etc/shells, adding +As root, edit /etc/shells, adding a line in the file for the new shell, in this case /usr/local/bin/tcsh, -and save the file. (Some ports may do this for you.) +and save the file. (Some ports may do this for you.) - 3. Use the chsh command to change your shell to +Use the chsh command to change your shell to tcsh permanently, or type tcsh at the prompt to -change your shell without logging in again. +change your shell without logging in again. + -Note: It can be dangerous to change root's shell + +It can be dangerous to change root's shell to something other than sh or csh on early versions of FreeBSD and many other versions of Unix; you may not have a working shell when the system puts you into single user mode. The solution is to use su -m to become root, which will give you the tcsh as root, because the shell is part of the environment. You can make this permanent by adding it to your .tcshrc file as an alias with alias su su -m. + When tcsh starts up, it will read the /etc/csh.cshrc and /etc/csh.login >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 9:40:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB381593F for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA43650; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D863315210 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:30:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11ZzOS-0002Mb-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:30:49 +0200 Received: (qmail 75771 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Oct 1999 13:08:53 -0000 Message-Id: <19991009130853.75770.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 9 Oct 1999 13:08:53 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14238: Indent/whitespace style on new-users article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14238 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Indent/whitespace style on new-users article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Oct 9 09:40:02 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: Application of the proposed indenting style. 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Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/nbm/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/programming-tools/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -r1.8 article.sgml --- article.sgml 1999/10/04 22:04:28 1.8 +++ article.sgml 1999/10/09 14:26:02 @@ -118,13 +118,12 @@ To get one of these packages, all you need to do is to click on the hotlink for the package, then run -$ pkg_add package name +&prompt.root; pkg_add package name as root. Obviously, you will need to have a fully functional FreeBSD 2.1.0 or later system for the package to work! - BASIC @@ -206,7 +205,6 @@ - @@ -309,13 +307,14 @@ Fortunately, almost all this detail is hidden from you, as cc is a front end that manages calling all these programs with the right arguments for you; simply typing -$ cc foobar.c + +&prompt.user; cc foobar.c will cause foobar.c to be compiled by all the steps above. If you have more than one file to compile, just do something like -$ cc foo.c bar.c +&prompt.user; cc foo.c bar.c Note that the syntax checking is just that—checking the syntax. It will not check for any logical mistakes you may have made, @@ -337,8 +336,8 @@ the mists of history. -$ cc foobar.c executable is a.out -$ cc -o foobar foobar.c executable is foobar +&prompt.user; cc foobar.c executable is a.out +&prompt.user; cc -o foobar foobar.c executable is foobar @@ -349,7 +348,7 @@ a Makefile. -$ cc -c foobar.c +&prompt.user; cc -c foobar.c This will produce an object file (not an @@ -373,7 +372,7 @@ works properly. -$ cc -g foobar.c +&prompt.user; cc -g foobar.c This will produce a debug version of the @@ -401,7 +400,7 @@ version. -$ cc -O -o foobar foobar.c +&prompt.user; cc -O -o foobar foobar.c This will produce an optimised version of @@ -461,7 +460,7 @@ what you may be using in a few years time? -$ cc -Wall -ansi -pedantic -o foobar foobar.c +&prompt.user; cc -Wall -ansi -pedantic -o foobar foobar.c This will produce an executable foobar @@ -490,7 +489,7 @@ last library on the command line. -$ cc -o foobar foobar.c -lm +&prompt.user; cc -o foobar foobar.c -lm This will link the math library functions into @@ -505,9 +504,9 @@ on FreeBSD. -$ cc -o foobar foobar.cc -lg++ For FreeBSD 2.1.6 and earlier -$ cc -o foobar foobar.cc -lstdc++ For FreeBSD 2.2 and later -$ c++ -o foobar foobar.cc +&prompt.user; cc -o foobar foobar.cc -lg++ For FreeBSD 2.1.6 and earlier +&prompt.user; cc -o foobar foobar.cc -lstdc++ For FreeBSD 2.2 and later +&prompt.user; c++ -o foobar foobar.cc Each of these will both produce an executable @@ -529,23 +528,31 @@ Common <command>cc</command> Queries and Problems -Q. I am trying to write a program which uses the + + + +I am trying to write a program which uses the sin() function and I get an error like this. What does it mean? + /var/tmp/cc0143941.o: Undefined symbol `_sin' referenced from text segment - - -A. When using mathematical functions like + + +When using mathematical functions like sin(), you have to tell cc to -link in the math library, like so: +link in the math library, like so: -$ cc -o foobar foobar.c -lm - - -Q. All right, I wrote this simple program to practice using +&prompt.user; cc -o foobar foobar.c -lm + + + + + +All right, I wrote this simple program to practice using . All it does is raise 2.1 to the power of 6. + #include <stdio.h> @@ -557,31 +564,40 @@ return 0; } + and I compiled it as: + -$ cc temp.c -lm +&prompt.user; cc temp.c -lm + like you said I should, but I get this when I run it: + -$ ./a.out +&prompt.user; ./a.out 2.1 ^ 6 = 1023.000000 - This is not the right answer! What is going on? - -A. When the compiler sees you call a function, it checks if it + + +When the compiler sees you call a function, it checks if it has already seen a prototype for it. If it has not, it assumes the function returns an int, which is definitely not what you want here. - -Q. So how do I fix this? - -A. The prototypes for the mathematical functions are in + + + + +So how do I fix this? + + +The prototypes for the mathematical functions are in math.h. If you include this file, the compiler will be able to find the prototype and it will stop doing strange things to your calculation! + #include <math.h> #include <stdio.h> @@ -589,94 +605,125 @@ int main() { ... - After recompiling it as you did before, run it: + -$ ./a.out +&prompt.user; ./a.out 2.1 ^ 6 = 85.766121 - If you are using any of the mathematical functions, always include math.h and remember to link in the math library. - -Q. I compiled a file called foobar.c and I + + + + +I compiled a file called foobar.c and I cannot find an executable called foobar. Where's it gone? - -A. Remember, cc will call the executable + + +Remember, cc will call the executable a.out unless you tell it differently. Use the option: + -$ cc -o foobar foobar.c +&prompt.user; cc -o foobar foobar.c - - -Q. OK, I have an executable called foobar, + + + + +OK, I have an executable called foobar, I can see it when I run ls, but when I type in foobar at the command prompt it tells me there is no such file. Why can it not find it? - -A. Unlike MS-DOS, Unix does not look in the + + +Unlike MS-DOS, Unix does not look in the current directory when it is trying to find out which executable you want it to run, unless you tell it to. Either type ./foobar, which means run the file called foobar in the current directory, or change your PATH environment variable so that it looks something like + bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:. + The dot at the end means look in the current directory if it is not in any of the others. - -Q. I called my executable test, but + + + + +I called my executable test, but nothing happens when I run it. What is going on? - -A. Most Unix systems have a program called + + +Most Unix systems have a program called test in /usr/bin and the shell is picking that one up before it gets to checking the current directory. Either type: + -$ ./test +&prompt.user; ./test + or choose a better name for your program! - -Q. I compiled my program and it seemed to run all right at + + + + +I compiled my program and it seemed to run all right at first, then there was an error and it said something about core dumped. What does that mean? - -A. The name core dump dates back to the + + +The name core dump dates back to the very early days of Unix, when the machines used core memory for storing data. Basically, if the program failed under certain conditions, the system would write the contents of core memory to disk in a file called core, which the programmer could then pore over to find out what went wrong. - -Q. Fascinating stuff, but what I am supposed to do now? - -A. Use gdb to analyse the core (see + + + +Fascinating stuff, but what I am supposed to do now? + + +Use gdb to analyse the core (see ). - -Q. When my program dumped core, it said something about a + + + + +When my program dumped core, it said something about a segmentation fault. What's that? - -A. This basically means that your program tried to perform some sort + + +This basically means that your program tried to perform some sort of illegal operation on memory; Unix is designed to protect the operating system and other programs from rogue programs. Common causes for this are: + Trying to write to a NULL pointer, eg + char *foo = NULL; strcpy(foo, "bang!"); - + Using a pointer that hasn't been initialised, eg + char *foo; strcpy(foo, "bang!"); + The pointer will have some random value that, with luck, will point into an area of memory that isn't available to your program and the kernel will kill your program before @@ -686,51 +733,68 @@ mysteriously. Trying to access past the end of an array, eg + int bar[20]; -bar[27] = 6; +bar[27] = 6; Trying to store something in read-only memory, eg + char *foo = "My string"; strcpy(foo, "bang!"); + Unix compilers often put string literals like "My string" into read-only areas of memory. Doing naughty things with malloc() and free(), eg + char bar[80]; free(bar); + or + char *foo = malloc(27); free(foo); free(foo); - + - + Making one of these mistakes will not always lead to an error, but they are always bad practice. Some systems and compilers are more tolerant than others, which is why programs that ran well on one system can crash when you try them on an another. - -Q. Sometimes when I get a core dump it says bus + + + + +Sometimes when I get a core dump it says bus error. It says in my Unix book that this means a hardware problem, but the computer still seems to be working. Is this true? - -A. No, fortunately not (unless of course you really do have a hardware + + +No, fortunately not (unless of course you really do have a hardware problem…). This is usually another way of saying that you accessed memory in a way you shouldn't have. - -Q. This dumping core business sounds as though it could be quite + + + + +This dumping core business sounds as though it could be quite useful, if I can make it happen when I want to. Can I do this, or do I have to wait until there's an error? - -A. Yes, just go to another console or xterm, do -$ ps + + +Yes, just go to another console or xterm, do +&prompt.user; ps + to find out the process ID of your program, and do -$ kill -ABRT pid + +&prompt.user; kill -ABRT pid + where pid is the process ID you looked up. @@ -738,6 +802,9 @@ loop, for instance. If your program happens to trap SIGABRT, there are several other signals which have a similar effect. + + + @@ -751,14 +818,18 @@ When you're working on a simple program with only one or two source files, typing in -$ cc file1.c file2.c + +&prompt.user; cc file1.c file2.c + is not too bad, but it quickly becomes very tedious when there are several files—and it can take a while to compile, too. One way to get around this is to use object files and only recompile the source file if the source code has changed. So we could have something like: -$ cc file1.o file2.o … file37.c &hellip + +&prompt.user; cc file1.o file2.o … file37.c &hellip + if we'd changed file37.c, but not any of the others, since the last time we compiled. This may speed up the compilation quite a bit, but doesn't solve the typing @@ -805,8 +876,10 @@ Example of using <command>make</command> Here's a very simple make file: + foo: foo.c cc -o foo foo.c + It consists of two lines, a dependency line and a creation line. The dependency line here consists of the name of the program @@ -840,14 +913,17 @@ Another useful property of makefiles is that the targets don't have to be programs. For instance, we could have a make file that looks like this: + foo: foo.c cc -o foo foo.c install: - cp foo /home/me + cp foo /home/me We can tell make which target we want to make by typing: -$ make target + +&prompt.user; make target + make will then only look at that target and ignore any others. For example, if we type make foo with the makefile above, make will ignore the install target. @@ -886,11 +962,11 @@ BSD-based systems like FreeBSD come with some very powerful ones as part of the system. One very good example of this is the FreeBSD ports system. Here's the essential part of a typical ports -Makefile: +Makefile: MASTER_SITES= ftp://freefall.cdrom.com/pub/FreeBSD/LOCAL_PORTS/ DISTFILES= scheme-microcode+dist-7.3-freebsd.tgz -.include <bsd.port.mk> +.include <bsd.port.mk> Now, if we go to the directory for this port and type make, the following happens: @@ -965,7 +1041,9 @@ The version of make that comes with FreeBSD is the Berkeley make; there is a tutorial for it in /usr/share/doc/psd/12.make. To view it, do -$ zmore paper.ascii.gz + +&prompt.user; zmore paper.ascii.gz + in that directory. Many applications in the ports use GNU @@ -979,7 +1057,9 @@ you will have to edit the dir file in the /usr/local/info directory to add an entry for it. This involves adding a line like + * Make: (make). The GNU Make utility. + to the file. Once you have done this, you can type info and then select make from the menu (or in @@ -998,10 +1078,13 @@ The debugger that comes with FreeBSD is called gdb (GNU debugger). You start it up by typing -$ gdb progname + +&prompt.user; gdb progname + although most people prefer to run it inside Emacs. You can do this by: -M-x gdb RET progname RET + +M-x gdb RET progname RET Using a debugger allows you to run the program under more controlled circumstances. Typically, you can step through the program @@ -1035,7 +1118,8 @@ gdb. It will work without, but you'll only see the name of the function you're in, instead of the source code. If you see a line like: -… (no debugging symbols found) …when + +… (no debugging symbols found) …when gdb starts up, you'll know that the program wasn't compiled with the option. @@ -1058,6 +1142,7 @@ Here's a simple example of how to spot a mistake in a program with gdb. This is our program (with a deliberate mistake): + #include <stdio.h> int bazz(int anint); @@ -1074,20 +1159,20 @@ printf("You gave me %d\n", anint); return anint; } - This program sets i to be 5 and passes it to a function bazz() which prints out the number we gave it. When we compile and run the program we get -$ cc -g -o temp temp.c -$ ./temp + +&prompt.user; cc -g -o temp temp.c +&prompt.user; ./temp This is my program -anint = 4231 +anint = 4231 That wasn't what we expected! Time to see what's going -on!$ gdb temp +on!&prompt.user; gdb temp GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. @@ -1102,7 +1187,7 @@ This is my program Program prints out (gdb) s step into bazz() bazz (anint=4231) at temp.c:17 gdb displays stack frame -(gdb) +(gdb) Hang on a minute! How did anint get to be @@ -1110,12 +1195,15 @@ in main()? Let's move up to main() and have a look. -(gdb) up Move up call stack +(gdb) up Move up call stack #1 0x1625 in main () at temp.c:11 gdb displays stack frame (gdb) p i Show us the value of i -$1 = 4231 gdb displays 4231 +$1 = 4231 gdb displays 4231 + + Oh dear! Looking at the code, we forgot to initialise i. We meant to put + … main() { int i; @@ -1123,6 +1211,7 @@ i = 5; printf("This is my program\n"); &hellip + but we left the i=5; line out. As we didn't initialise i, it had whatever number happened to be in that area of memory when the program ran, which in this case @@ -1154,12 +1243,15 @@ To examine a core file, start up gdb in the usual way. Instead of typing break or run, type + (gdb) core progname.core + If you're not in the same directory as the core file, you'll have to do dir /path/to/core/file first. You should see something like this: -$ gdb a.out + +&prompt.user; gdb a.out GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. @@ -1169,7 +1261,7 @@ Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Cannot access memory at address 0x7020796d. #0 0x164a in bazz (anint=0x5) at temp.c:17 -(gdb) +(gdb) In this case, the program was called a.out, so the core file is called @@ -1182,11 +1274,12 @@ stack in a complex program. The bt command causes gdb to print out a back-trace of the call stack: + (gdb) bt #0 0x164a in bazz (anint=0x5) at temp.c:17 #1 0xefbfd888 in end () #2 0x162c in main () at temp.c:11 -(gdb)The end() function is called when +(gdb)The end() function is called when a program crashes; in this case, the bazz() function was called from main(). @@ -1204,13 +1297,15 @@ What you do is start up another gdb, use ps to find the process ID for the child, and -do(gdb) attach pid +do(gdb) attach pid + in gdb, and then debug as usual. That's all very well, you're probably thinking, but by the time I've done that, the child process will be over the hill and far away. Fear not, gentle reader, here's how to do it (courtesy of the gdb info pages): + &hellip if ((pid = fork()) < 0) /* _Always_ check this */ error(); @@ -1222,6 +1317,7 @@ &hellip } else { /* parent */ &hellip + Now all you have to do is attach to the child, set PauseMode to 0, and wait for the sleep() call to return! @@ -1259,6 +1355,7 @@ It's impossible even to summarise everything Emacs can do here, but here are some of the features of interest to developers: + Very powerful editor, allowing search-and-replace on @@ -1289,7 +1386,7 @@ You can read Usenet news and mail while your program is compiling. -And doubtless many more that I've overlooked. +And doubtless many more that I've overlooked. Emacs can be installed on FreeBSD using the Emacs @@ -1386,7 +1483,6 @@ Unfortunately, there's far too much here to explain it in detail; however there are one or two points worth mentioning. - Everything beginning with a ; is a @@ -1423,7 +1519,9 @@ We enable Emacs's ability to act as a server, so that if you're doing something outside Emacs and you want to edit a file, you can just type in -$ emacsclient filename + +&prompt.user; emacsclient filename + and then you can edit the file in your Emacs!Many Emacs users set their EDITOR environment to @@ -1431,11 +1529,10 @@ to edit a file. - A sample <filename>.emacs</filename> file -;; -*-Emacs-Lisp-*- +;; -*-Emacs-Lisp-*- ;; This file is designed to be re-evaled; use the variable first-time ;; to avoid any problems with this. @@ -1509,9 +1606,9 @@ (autoload 'ediff-buffers "ediff" "Intelligent Emacs interface to diff" t) (autoload 'ediff-files "ediff" "Intelligent Emacs interface to diff" t) (autoload 'ediff-files-remote "ediff" - "Intelligent Emacs interface to diff") + "Intelligent Emacs interface to diff") -(if first-time +(if first-time (setq auto-mode-alist (append '(("\\.cpp$" . c++-mode) ("\\.hpp$" . c++-mode) @@ -1613,9 +1710,9 @@ (defun previous-error (n) "Visit previous compilation error message and corresponding source code." (interactive "p") - (next-error (- n))) + (next-error (- n))) -;; Misc... +;; Misc... (transient-mark-mode 1) (setq mark-even-if-inactive t) (setq visible-bell nil) @@ -1716,7 +1813,7 @@ ;; All done (message "All done, %s%s" (user-login-name) ".") - + @@ -1735,16 +1832,20 @@ usually end in .el, short for Emacs Lisp. For example, if whizbang is a FreeBSD port, we can locate these files by doing -$ find /usr/ports/lang/whizbang -name "*.el" -print + +&prompt.user; find /usr/ports/lang/whizbang -name "*.el" -print + and install them by copying them into the Emacs site Lisp directory. On FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE, this is /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp. So for example, if the output from the find command was + /usr/ports/lang/whizbang/work/misc/whizbang.el + we would do -$ cp /usr/ports/lang/whizbang/work/misc/whizbang.el /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp +&prompt.root; cp /usr/ports/lang/whizbang/work/misc/whizbang.el /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp Next, we need to decide what extension whizbang source files have. Let's say for the sake of argument that they all end in @@ -1755,11 +1856,13 @@ Find the auto-mode-alist entry in .emacs and add a line for whizbang, such as: + … ("\\.lsp$" . lisp-mode) ("\\.wiz$" . whizbang-mode) ("\\.scm$" . scheme-mode) … + This means that Emacs will automatically go into whizbang-mode when you edit a file ending in .wiz. @@ -1767,10 +1870,12 @@ Just below this, you'll find the font-lock-auto-mode-list entry. Add whizbang-mode to it like so: + ;; Auto font lock mode (defvar font-lock-auto-mode-list (list 'c-mode 'c++-mode 'c++-c-mode 'emacs-lisp-mode 'whizbang-mode 'lisp-mode 'perl-mode 'scheme-mode) "List of modes to always start in font-lock-mode") + This means that Emacs will always enable font-lock-mode (ie syntax highlighting) when editing a .wiz file. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 11:32:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (blaubaer.kn-bremen.de [195.37.179.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5D114D9E for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (uucp@localhost) by blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id UAA24833 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:26:13 +0200 Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.8.5) id UAA96016 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:14:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: Juergen Lock Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:14:36 +0200 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: outdated installation/compatibility information in the handbook Message-ID: <19991009201435.B85059@saturn.kn-bremen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I hope this is the right place to send this to... (I'm not subscribed to this list so please Cc answers to me.) Two things: The compatibility information in the handbook (and everywhere else apparently) only lists the Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B nic to go with the fxp driver (which from reading the lists i know is the one that appears to work best). Now it seems the Pro/100B is no longer available at least around here, so i went searching the list archives... And now the box has a EtherExpress Pro/100+ Management Adapter (soon to become two actually), which has a 82559 chipset which is software compatible with the 82557/8 that was on the Pro/100B (an addition seems to be wake-on-lan). And btw on the 3.2R 4-CD box it even lists a EtherExpress Pro/100 (no B!), from the archived mail i have read i now know that used an entire different chipset for which there in fact is no driver... And the other thing: I just noticed the install-from-CD docs in the handbook still talk about the install.bat, i'm pretty sure that won't work for 3.x as it used the fbsdboot.exe dos program that only knows how to boot aout kernels? (i don't have that CD here now so i can't check if it even still _is_ on there.) Well, so there you have my $.02 for today... :) Regards, -- Juergen Lock (remove dot foo from address to reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 12:23: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5BC14BE3 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26950; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:04:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:04:05 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Michael E. Mercer" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can not find web.mk Message-ID: <19991009190405.A21521@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <37EAE137.C2EE926B@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37EAE137.C2EE926B@ipass.net>; from Michael E. Mercer on Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 10:25:59PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 10:25:59PM -0400, Michael E. Mercer wrote: > I am trying to make all in the directory > > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/tutorials That directory's obsolete. The documentation in there should have migrated over to the ../books and ../articles directories. When I've confirmed that that's happened I'll be removing it. N -- PS: Sorry for the delay in replying. What with work, buying a house, moving in to the house, fixing the plumbing in the house, and paying the bills, I've been a little busy recently. I'm back to e-mail now, and catching up. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 12:24:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BB415477 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30912; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:36:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:36:23 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Michael Lucas Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Comments? Message-ID: <19991009193623.E21521@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <199910071537.LAA24416@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199910071537.LAA24416@blackhelicopters.org>; from Michael Lucas on Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 11:37:17AM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 11:37:17AM -0400, Michael Lucas wrote: > So, I'm attempting to set up a web page to act as a repository of > sysctl MIB information. I have this nice server out on the Net; it's > probably time I do something more than run my personal email off of > it. ;) Have you seen http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/pdp.html I think your work might fit nicely under there. N -- PS: Sorry for the delay in replying. What with work, buying a house, moving in to the house, fixing the plumbing in the house, and paying the bills, I've been a little busy recently. I'm back to e-mail now, and catching up. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 12:24:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A3714D60 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27649; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:09:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:09:48 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Manuelito Jeremiah Velasco III , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Complete Text Tutorial Message-ID: <19991009190948.B21521@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19991001153141.606.rocketmail@web2103.mail.yahoo.com> <19991001191511.H13606@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19991001191511.H13606@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 07:15:11PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 07:15:11PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > Mayhaps it's a good idea to have the rest of the documents available in > downloadable format as well. Yes. I just need to automate the building process between hub and wcarchive. Neil's Makefile work makes this fairly easy. Now my dish washer's almost working, I'll be pulling close to an all-nighter tonight to try and get it sorted. N -- PS: Sorry for the delay in replying. What with work, buying a house, moving in to the house, fixing the plumbing in the house, and paying the bills, I've been a little busy recently. I'm back to e-mail now, and catching up. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 12:25:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B730F14A1D for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27960; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:12:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:12:19 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Jesus Rodriguez , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, "Charles A. Wimmer" Subject: Re: Round #495 of trying to build docproj Message-ID: <19991009191219.C21521@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19991004173914.R63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <19991004180843.S63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19991004180843.S63946@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 06:08:43PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 06:08:43PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > Well, I installed tidy September '99 version but it still gives an > error 1. Need to find out what causes that. Hints are welcome though. =) Tidy returns an error code if it finds errors. The DocBook -> HTML conversion generates HTML that tidy considers to be in error (IIRC it's something to do with some tables not having verbose descriptions on them, or something fairly trivial like that). At the moment there's no workaround, which is why the error code from tidy is ignored. N -- PS: Sorry for the delay in replying. What with work, buying a house, moving in to the house, fixing the plumbing in the house, and paying the bills, I've been a little busy recently. I'm back to e-mail now, and catching up. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 12:30:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600D715485; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA34361; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:30:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <199910091930.PAA34361@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: Comments? In-Reply-To: <19991009193623.E21521@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> from Nik Clayton at "Oct 9, 1999 7:36:23 pm" To: nik@freebsd.org (Nik Clayton) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 11:37:17AM -0400, Michael Lucas wrote: > > So, I'm attempting to set up a web page to act as a repository of > > sysctl MIB information. I have this nice server out on the Net; it's > > probably time I do something more than run my personal email off of > > it. ;) > > Have you seen > > http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai/pdp.html > > I think your work might fit nicely under there. Yes, it would. Thank you for pointing this out, it'll save me some work. ;) ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 12:30:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A542D14DB5; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30507; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:33:08 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:33:08 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: John Baldwin , Jesus Rodriguez , Nik Clayton , FreeBSD Documentation Project , Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Two spaces OK Message-ID: <19991009193308.D21521@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <199910081051.GAA86553@server.baldwin.cx> <19991008154459.C33390@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19991008154459.C33390@mithrandr.moria.org>; from Neil Blakey-Milner on Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 03:44:59PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 03:44:59PM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > If noone has any other evidence, I'd like to propose the more > readable form. > > I get the impression it just ignores a starting and ending empty > lines - blank (ie, with spaces) lines still show up. The stylesheets we *currently* use used to consider the whitespace at the beginning and end to be significant, and would include them in the output. Norm stopped them doing this some time back. He can do this with SGML docs, because, IIRC, the whitespace handling inside an element is allowed to be flexible. Should we ever want to switch to different stylesheets (or perhaps allow people to use SGML editors that have their own stylesheets) there's no guarantee that they'll be as flexible. In addition, I think it's likely that at some point we'll transit to an XML based approach, rather than an SGML based approach. This transition point is somewhere in the future, and I couldn't predict when it will happen. However, it's a fairly safe bet that it will happen. XML is much stricter about white space inside elements. If it exists then it has to be preserved, and passed on to the application that's doing the final formatting. The application would then have to know that certain elements are 'special', and that leading white space can be stripped. If you want your documentation to be processed the same way by all these different applications then you'll need to go around configuring all these applications with this knowledge. With this in mind, I'd prefer that we sacrificed a little bit of readability in the documentation source in return for some future proofing and simpler interoperability with other apps. If you look through the Handbook you'll doubtless find areas where I've been inconsistent about this. If anyone's looking for a background task to work on, fixing these would be handy. . . N -- PS: Sorry for the delay in replying. What with work, buying a house, moving in to the house, fixing the plumbing in the house, and paying the bills, I've been a little busy recently. I'm back to e-mail now, and catching up. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 16:40:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF72414F40 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA71586; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E131B14C34 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11a5yJ-0007nC-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:32:15 +0200 Received: (qmail 77646 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Oct 1999 16:43:24 -0000 Message-Id: <19991009164324.77645.qmail@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: 9 Oct 1999 16:43:24 -0000 From: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Reply-To: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/14243: whitespace cleanup on programming-tools article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 14243 >Category: docs >Synopsis: whitespace cleanup on programming-tools article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Oct 9 16:40:00 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Neil Blakey-Milner >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society >Environment: FreeBSD mithrandr.moria.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Wed Sep 29 17:30:21 SAST 1999 root@mithrandr.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MITHRANDR i386 >Description: Proposed whitespace/indenting style application. Whitespace-only; translators need not be concerned about content changes. 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Mirrors of the CVS Repository cgi script are available in California, Germany, Japan and Spain (English, Spanish).

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Mirrors of the CVS Repository cgi script are available in California, Germany, Japan and Spain (English, Spanish).

To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 9 19:53:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDD114BD2 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA89762; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:53:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Message-Id: <199910100253.WAA89762@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991010110819Q.yyamano@kt.rim.or.jp> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 22:53:20 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Yuji Yamano Subject: RE: broken link Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10-Oct-99 Yuji Yamano wrote: > Hi, > > I found a broken link at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/support.html. Fixed in revision 1.169 of www/en/support.sgml, thanks! > -- > Yuji Yamano --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message