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Subject: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT
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I'm planning to buy either a Sony VAIO 505F or a Toshiba 3010/3015CT (or a
subnotebook with equivalent performances/size/weight, if you have
suggestions please do).
Has anyone opinion about either of these ? I've seen people using the 505G
model in the laptop survey from PAO so I guess the 505F would work. I think
some of the KAME people have VAIO notebooks too.
My questions are pretty basic:
- do I need PAO or is CURRENT enough ?
- does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ?
- what are the pros/cons of each brand ?
- what are differences between the 3010 and 3015CT (WWW site is not very
informative) ?
- what are the differences between 505F & 505G (the Sony site is not that
precise either) ?
- what are the different prices around ?
- can I install without a CD-ROM (by FTP/NFS) ?
- what about Cardbus / PCMCIA support in FreeBSD ?
Sony lists the 505F at around 1700US$ and Toshiba the 3015CT at
1800US$. The Sony 505G seem to be more expensive (why?).
I'm not really interested in having a PII CPU, I think a regular pentium is
enough for me but I want at least 4 GB/64 MB.
Please Cc: me any answers as this address is not subscribed to the
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I have a sony notebook. It has worked great. i use XFree86 3.3.3 and the
neomagic support suffices.
>
> - do I need PAO or is CURRENT enough ?
Use -stable(2.2.8) the scsi card that Sony uses is an adaptec one which
isn't supported in -current yet.
> - does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ?
I haven't tried that.
> - what are the differences between 505F & 505G (the Sony site is not that
> precise either) ?
I don't know-maybe a marketing thing, got to have something new for
people to buy.
> - what are the different prices around ?
Vaiodirect has the 505F listed for $1699.
> - can I install without a CD-ROM (by FTP/NFS) ?
I installed the base operating system via the built in modem (left it on
all night) and installed the rest via the PCMCIA network card that I
had.
> - what about Cardbus / PCMCIA support in FreeBSD ?
Compile the laptop kernel, and add sound support. I was able to use my
Linksys ethernet card afterwards
> Sony lists the 505F at around 1700US$ and Toshiba the 3015CT at
> 1800US$. The Sony 505G seem to be more expensive (why?).
It looks cool :)
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> I'm planning to buy either a Sony VAIO 505F or a Toshiba 3010/3015CT (or a
> subnotebook with equivalent performances/size/weight, if you have
> suggestions please do).
We went looking for something similar just before Christmas. It was a
rush job because someone suddenly decided to try and work during the
holidays. We came down to the same two models (we also looked briefly
at the corresponding Sharp subnote.) We ended up with the VAIO
505-FX/LT, mostly because we could get a slightly better price on
that. (The LT and KT are the same unit, but the latter ships with the
external CD and a modem.)
> My questions are pretty basic:
>
> - do I need PAO or is CURRENT enough ?
We installed from CD and tried both 2.2.7PAO and 3.0. We had better
luck getting a PCMCIA network card working under the former, so we
went with that. (3.0 could see a 3com589 using the zp driver for
install, but that stopped when we tried enabling PCCARD support in the
3.0 kernel. We gave up and used 2.2.7.)
> - does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ?
The user reports no problems with either that or suspend to RAM. Some
screen corruption, but I probably just need to tweak a PAO option for
that.
> - what are the pros/cons of each brand ?
One difference is that the 301x uses an Accupoint while the VAIO has a
trackpad. If you have strong feelings about those, that may decide the
issue. Neither has a PS/2 port without plugging in the expansion bar.
The VAIO's NeoMagic chipset caused some trouble with X; we were in a
hurry and used AcceleratedX rather than hunting around for XFree86
patches. I'm planning to have another run at that now the 2.2.8 CDs
have arrived.
> - what are differences between the 3010 and 3015CT
The local stores claim that the 3015 is US while the 3010 is a UK
model (the 3015 I saw had a US keyboard, and had a built in modem
which the 3010 lacked.)
> - can I install without a CD-ROM (by FTP/NFS)
We managed this just fine, once we'd used Partition Magic to shrink
the FAT32 partition.
> - what about Cardbus / PCMCIA support in FreeBSD ?
AFAIK Cardbus support still isn't present, but the 82365 emulation
works for 16bit cards.
Bryan
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> I'm planning to buy either a Sony VAIO 505F or a Toshiba 3010/3015CT (or a
> subnotebook with equivalent performances/size/weight, if you have
> suggestions please do).
>
> Has anyone opinion about either of these ? I've seen people using the 505G
> model in the laptop survey from PAO so I guess the 505F would work. I think
> some of the KAME people have VAIO notebooks too.
I have a Sony VAIO 747 - I got it on December 3. On December 16 the
inverter board died, resulting in a *very* feint screen (you can only
bearly see bright white things).
Sony customer services took 3 weeks to get it fixed and refused to
replace it. I believe the only reason they got it fixed was that I
did the Mastercard / registered letter / termination of contract of
sale bit after the second week (I would have done it sooner, but I
couldn't send a registered letter over the Christmas period). I was
given neither compensation or an apology.
For a company the size of Sony, I find this disgusting and would
recommend that people don't buy Sony (I certainly never will again).
Their products are fine, the way they treat their customers stinks.
If anyone wants further details, I'll be glad to provide them.
[.....]
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According to Jimbo:
> Use -stable(2.2.8) the scsi card that Sony uses is an adaptec one which
> isn't supported in -current yet.
Hmmm, if I don't buy the SCSI card then I don't have to take 2.2.8 right ?
I really want to run 3.0-CURRENT on it (anything 3.ish in fact) so
2.2-STABLE doesn't really interested me :-)
> Vaiodirect has the 505F listed for $1699.
Which is reasonable but with only 32 MB.
> > 1800US$. The Sony 505G seem to be more expensive (why?).
> It looks cool :)
And has a 2.1 GB disk drive whereas the 505F has a 4.3 GB one... Weird.
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Jimbo wrote:
> I have a sony notebook. It has worked great. i use XFree86 3.3.3 and the
> neomagic support suffices.
>
> > - do I need PAO or is CURRENT enough ?
> Use -stable(2.2.8) the scsi card that Sony uses is an adaptec one which
> isn't supported in -current yet.
>
> > - does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ?
> I haven't tried that.
>
With PAO it does (zzz).
> > - what are the differences between 505F & 505G (the Sony site is not that
> > precise either) ?
> I don't know-maybe a marketing thing, got to have something new for
> people to buy.
>
> > - what are the different prices around ?
> Vaiodirect has the 505F listed for $1699.
>
> > - can I install without a CD-ROM (by FTP/NFS) ?
> I installed the base operating system via the built in modem (left it on
> all night) and installed the rest via the PCMCIA network card that I
> had.
>
I've done it with a floppy, POA and a PCMCIA ethernet card. see
http://www.webweaving.org/vaio
for details.
> > - what about Cardbus / PCMCIA support in FreeBSD ?
> Compile the laptop kernel, and add sound support. I was able to use my
> Linksys ethernet card afterwards
3cXXX card, Flash cards, SlimSCSI, etc, the whole range works for me,
identical to my old thinkpad.
>
> > Sony lists the 505F at around 1700US$ and Toshiba the 3015CT at
> > 1800US$. The Sony 505G seem to be more expensive (why?).
> It looks cool :)
Dw
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"Dirk-Willem van Gulik (vaio)" wrote:
>
> > > - does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ?
> > I haven't tried that.
>
> With PAO it does (zzz).
Real hibernation instead of just stand-by mode? How does one
allocates the space it will be using in disk? (DOS required, right?)
> 3cXXX card, Flash cards, SlimSCSI, etc, the whole range works for me,
> identical to my old thinkpad.
SlimSCSI... I need a PCMCIA SCSI card for my notebook (meaning I
need *another* PCMCIA SCSI card, since the one I'm using is not
supported by FreeBSD; I think...). I saw three SCSI cards in
pccard.conf, though one was commented out. But this is a little bit
in contradiction with CAM's, since it would seem the Adaptec chipset
used is not supported by CAM...
So... To the point: is SlimSCSI supported on a bare-bones -current?
Is there any problems with it (too slow, whatever)? Are there
alternatives? Who makes SlimSCSI? (it might be a little bit
difficult for me to find it around here...)
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According to Daniel C. Sobral:
> Real hibernation instead of just stand-by mode? How does one
> allocates the space it will be using in disk? (DOS required, right?)
You need to have at least RAM + 3 MB free on a DOS partition at the end of
the disk I think. That way, you have enough space for hibernation.
The Sony 505FX (64 MB / 4.3 GB) is @ 1800 US$ from CompUSA...
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Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT
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On 12-Jan-99 Daniel C. Sobral wrote:
> "Dirk-Willem van Gulik (vaio)" wrote:
>>
>> > > - does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ?
>> > I haven't tried that.
>>
>> With PAO it does (zzz).
Works fine with 3.0-RELEASE on both of my laptops (both noname
specials).
> Real hibernation instead of just stand-by mode? How does one
> allocates the space it will be using in disk? (DOS required, right?)
I just creeated a partitiion with system ID 160 at the end of the disc
and more than big enough. This works fine on both of my systems YMMV of course.
Otherwise you would need to boot DOS and use the utilities that come with the
bios, I found this procedure fraught with problems because these utilities
usually assume a DOS partition that they can modify and sometimes LBA
translation messes things up.
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Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT
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"Daniel C. Sobral" writes:
So... To the point: is SlimSCSI supported on a bare-bones -current?
Unless I missed a message in -current, no. Mr. Batie (Alan?) was
supposedly working on the port, but he had some sort of excuse like
buying a house and otherwise leading a normal life. (-:
Is there any problems with it (too slow, whatever)?
I have my laptop running pre-CAM, and the SlimSCSI works fine there.
You gotta remember not to eject the card while FreeBSD is up, however.
Are there alternatives?
Mike Smith was recommending the Jaz Traveller parallel-to-SCSI adapter,
but I am really suspicious about the throughput such a device gets.
ParaSCSI under DOS gets really rotten throughput, IMHO.
Who makes SlimSCSI? (it might be a little bit difficult for me to
find it around here...)
Adaptec. Be careful, though -- they have introduced a CardBus
SCSI card as well, and I doubt it would be elbitapmoc (that is,
backwards-compatible).
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> Have there been any developments on a driver since the last email messages on
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> Isidor
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> I have my laptop running pre-CAM, and the SlimSCSI works fine there.
> You gotta remember not to eject the card while FreeBSD is up, however.
FWIW, Win95 also locks up often if I eject the card with the SlimSCSI in
it as well, so we're doing as well as it is. :)
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> Mike Smith was recommending the Jaz Traveller parallel-to-SCSI adapter,
> but I am really suspicious about the throughput such a device gets.
> ParaSCSI under DOS gets really rotten throughput, IMHO.
Was he? To me, he explicitly advised against that. :-)
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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Nate Williams wrote:
> > I have my laptop running pre-CAM, and the SlimSCSI works fine there.
> > You gotta remember not to eject the card while FreeBSD is up, however.
>
> FWIW, Win95 also locks up often if I eject the card with the SlimSCSI in
> it as well, so we're doing as well as it is. :)
Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing
their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until
he showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first.
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> So... To the point: is SlimSCSI supported on a bare-bones -current?
> Is there any problems with it (too slow, whatever)? Are there
> alternatives? Who makes SlimSCSI? (it might be a little bit
> difficult for me to find it around here...)
The only way to get SCSI on a -current laptop is with an Iomega Jaz
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Dan Busarow writes:
On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Nate Williams wrote:
> > I have my laptop running pre-CAM, and the SlimSCSI works fine
> > there. You gotta remember not to eject the card while FreeBSD
> > is up, however.
>
> FWIW, Win95 also locks up often if I eject the card with the
> SlimSCSI in it as well, so we're doing as well as it is. :)
Just to be clear, I wasn't whining or anything like that -- more like
"You gotta remember not to eject the card, dummy." Not that I have ever
done such a thing... (-:
Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing
their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until he
showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first.
[jaw drops in disbelief]
No way! I knew Windows networking was bad, but I didn't know it was
getting worse over time! I yank my Linksys (NE2K) card out from under
Win95 all the time. Do you have a funky ether card, or am I being more
selective of what protocols I install, or is it really that bad??
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> Mike Smith was recommending the Jaz Traveller parallel-to-SCSI adapter,
> but I am really suspicious about the throughput such a device gets.
> ParaSCSI under DOS gets really rotten throughput, IMHO.
I get about 500kB/sec to my Jaz, at 30-40% CPU consumption. I've done
"real work" with a CVS repo on a Jaz cart, but it's not something you'd
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> Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing
> their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until he
> showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first.
>
> [jaw drops in disbelief]
>
> No way! I knew Windows networking was bad, but I didn't know it was
> getting worse over time! I yank my Linksys (NE2K) card out from under
> Win95 all the time. Do you have a funky ether card, or am I being more
> selective of what protocols I install, or is it really that bad??
We observed similar problems here. We use a 3Com EtherlinkIII with a
Gateway Solo 2300. With win95, ejecting the card was fine. But with win98
ejecting the ethernet card without going through control panel often hangs
the machine.
- Haobo
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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Bill Trost wrote:
> Dan Busarow writes:
> Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing
> their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until he
> showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first.
>
> [jaw drops in disbelief]
>
> No way! I knew Windows networking was bad, but I didn't know it was
> getting worse over time! I yank my Linksys (NE2K) card out from under
> Win95 all the time. Do you have a funky ether card, or am I being more
> selective of what protocols I install, or is it really that bad??
Just on 98, Win95 behaves normally. Only TCP/IP installed and It's a
Linksys card. Laptop is a Compaq [mumble] that came with Win98 installed.
It's even documented, Start/Help/Index/PC Cards/Removing (course it
doesn't say failing to go through the procedure will hang the system,
but it does :)
Dan
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Does anyone have mode lines for the Libretto ? Or the panning support
WinShit offers ? 800x480 would be ok for me.
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Nate suggested I forward this to "mobile@freebsd.org".
These are some patches I've used with both 2.2.5 and 2.2.8.
They modify the shutdown code to actually turn off
power on a system shutdown. I personally use it
with my desktop machine; I find it quite convenient
to type "shutdown" and walk away knowing that the
machine will, in fact, turn itself off when it's
done cleaning up.
- Tim Kientzle
P.S. This is probably not the best approach. It
might be better to add a "register_poweroff_func()"
function to kern_shutdown, and have the APM code
register a power off function if an APM BIOS was
found.
P.P.S. I don't watch these lists, so email is
best: kientzle@acm.org
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Nate/Tatsumi,
Just installed 2.2.8, and had to go back and re-hack
in one local customization. I'd written Nate about
this earlier, but got no response. Oh, well.
The 'feature' is an addition to the APM code so that
APM-equipped machines automatically power down on
shut-down. Quite convenient for those of us that
actually turn our FreeBSD machines off when we're
not using them. I use this with my desktop machine.
Here are the diffs:
/usr/src-2.2.5/sys/i386/apm [12:11pm]# diff apm.c apm.c-original
217,238d216
< /* Turn off power to entire system */
< void
< apm_power_off(void)
< {
< struct apm_softc *sc = &apm_softc;
< u_long eax, ebx, ecx;
<
< if(!sc)
< return;
<
< eax = (APM_BIOS << 8) | APM_SETPWSTATE;
< ebx = PMDV_ALLDEV;
< ecx = PMST_OFF;
<
< if (apm_int(&eax, &ebx, &ecx)) {
< printf("Entire system power off failure: errcode =
%ld\n",
< 0xff & (eax >> 8));
< return;
< }
< return;
< }
<
/usr/src-2.2.5/sys/kern [12:14pm]# diff -c kern_shutdown.c
kern_shutdown.c-original
*** kern_shutdown.c Thu Mar 12 13:12:16 1998
--- kern_shutdown.c-original Thu Mar 12 12:47:42 1998
***************
*** 249,257 ****
}
splhigh();
if (howto & RB_HALT) {
- #ifdef APM_POWER_OFF
- apm_power_off();
- #endif
printf("\n");
printf("The operating system has halted.\n");
printf("Please press any key to reboot.\n\n");
--- 249,254 ----
And, of course, a new config option:
APM_POWER_OFF /* Use APM to turn off power on system shutdown */
I made these against 2.2.5 and am getting ready to test them
against 2.2.8.
- Tim Kientzle (kientzle@acm.org)
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Dan Busarow wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Nate Williams wrote:
> > > I have my laptop running pre-CAM, and the SlimSCSI works fine there.
> > > You gotta remember not to eject the card while FreeBSD is up, however.
Actually, if you cut'n'paste, or patch, across the dismount-on-eject
code from
PAO you can do so safely.
> > FWIW, Win95 also locks up often if I eject the card with the SlimSCSI in
> > it as well, so we're doing as well as it is. :)
>
> Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing
> their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until
> he showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first.
>
> Dan
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Haobo Yu wrote:
>
> > Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing
> > their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until he
> > showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first.
> >
> > [jaw drops in disbelief]
> >
> > No way! I knew Windows networking was bad, but I didn't know it was
> > getting worse over time! I yank my Linksys (NE2K) card out from under
> > Win95 all the time. Do you have a funky ether card, or am I being more
> > selective of what protocols I install, or is it really that bad??
>
> We observed similar problems here. We use a 3Com EtherlinkIII with a
> Gateway Solo 2300. With win95, ejecting the card was fine. But with win98
> ejecting the ethernet card without going through control panel often hangs
> the machine.
Same here; on identical hardware; i.e. after upgrade to 98 it will hang
on
any network changes, such as a card removal or a change (by dhcp) of the
IP address to something outside the (previous) netmask. Bootp/BillPC
solved
this on 95 but on 98 it blue screens.
Dw.
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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Tim Kientzle wrote:
> Nate suggested I forward this to "mobile@freebsd.org".
> These are some patches I've used with both 2.2.5 and 2.2.8.
> They modify the shutdown code to actually turn off
> power on a system shutdown. I personally use it
> with my desktop machine; I find it quite convenient
> to type "shutdown" and walk away knowing that the
> machine will, in fact, turn itself off when it's
> done cleaning up.
>
> - Tim Kientzle
>
> P.S. This is probably not the best approach. It
> might be better to add a "register_poweroff_func()"
> function to kern_shutdown, and have the APM code
> register a power off function if an APM BIOS was
> found.
>
> P.P.S. I don't watch these lists, so email is
> best: kientzle@acm.org
Any chance this might get folded into the next release of FreeBSD (like
3.1)?
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> On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Tim Kientzle wrote:
>
> > Nate suggested I forward this to "mobile@freebsd.org".
> > These are some patches I've used with both 2.2.5 and 2.2.8.
> > They modify the shutdown code to actually turn off
> > power on a system shutdown. I personally use it
> > with my desktop machine; I find it quite convenient
> > to type "shutdown" and walk away knowing that the
> > machine will, in fact, turn itself off when it's
> > done cleaning up.
> >
> > - Tim Kientzle
> >
> > P.S. This is probably not the best approach. It
> > might be better to add a "register_poweroff_func()"
> > function to kern_shutdown, and have the APM code
> > register a power off function if an APM BIOS was
> > found.
> >
> > P.P.S. I don't watch these lists, so email is
> > best: kientzle@acm.org
>
> Any chance this might get folded into the next release of FreeBSD (like
> 3.1)?
Sort of like "shutdown -p"? 8) We've been powering off on halt for a
long time now.
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Has anybody ever seen the opposite of Tim's code? That is to the
equivalent of a /sbin/halt when the power button is pressed? We have a
lab of systems and often people just hit the dang power button. It'd
be nice that if they do such stupid things the system just does a
fairly graceful (but quick) halt and poweroff.
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On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Mike Smith wrote:
> > Any chance this might get folded into the next release of FreeBSD (like
> > 3.1)?
>
> Sort of like "shutdown -p"? 8) We've been powering off on halt for a
> long time now.
I just checked the man page for 2.2.8-RELEASE and it doesn't list a -p
flag for shutdown. Is this just the PAO version or has it been rolled into
the mainstream FreeBSD code?
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In message <13981.7496.997589.210295@dev-null.aero.und.edu> "Douglas K. Rand" writes:
: Has anybody ever seen the opposite of Tim's code? That is to the
: equivalent of a /sbin/halt when the power button is pressed? We have a
: lab of systems and often people just hit the dang power button. It'd
: be nice that if they do such stupid things the system just does a
: fairly graceful (but quick) halt and poweroff.
Right now that would be kinda hard to do. The reason it would be hard
is that you get a power down request and the kernel immediately tells
the bios to do its thing. There is no way to migrate this into
userland as there is no apm daemon. It wouldn't be too hard to catch
the user requested shutdown event and do a system halt, if we're not
already doing that. Hmmm, looking at the APM events that the apm
driver understands it would appear that there isn't one for user
requested power off.
I have APM debugging enabled on my libretto. When I pressed the power
button, the machine turned off. No messages were reported. And the
machine didn't dismount the disk.... There may be a bios setting that
will control this, but I've not seen it.
Warner
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> On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Mike Smith wrote:
>
> > > Any chance this might get folded into the next release of FreeBSD (like
> > > 3.1)?
> >
> > Sort of like "shutdown -p"? 8) We've been powering off on halt for a
> > long time now.
>
> I just checked the man page for 2.2.8-RELEASE and it doesn't list a -p
> flag for shutdown. Is this just the PAO version or has it been rolled into
> the mainstream FreeBSD code?
It's original code in 3.0; in 2.2.8 if APM is active, 'halt' should
power off.
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On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Mike Smith wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Mike Smith wrote:
> >
> > > > Any chance this might get folded into the next release of FreeBSD (like
> > > > 3.1)?
> > >
> > > Sort of like "shutdown -p"? 8) We've been powering off on halt for a
> > > long time now.
> >
> > I just checked the man page for 2.2.8-RELEASE and it doesn't list a -p
> > flag for shutdown. Is this just the PAO version or has it been rolled into
> > the mainstream FreeBSD code?
>
> It's original code in 3.0; in 2.2.8 if APM is active, 'halt' should
> power off.
I did just check the halt/reboot man page and it did say that it should
shut the power off where possible. I'm not getting that behavior on my
Lattitude. I have the following line in my kernel config
device apm0 at isa? # Advanced Power Management
and I can get the suspend/resume functions to work just fine. If, however,
I use halt I get "press any key to reboot."
p.s. where is the "any" key anyway ;-)
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> I did just check the halt/reboot man page and it did say that it should
> shut the power off where possible. I'm not getting that behavior on my
> Lattitude. I have the following line in my kernel config
>
> device apm0 at isa? # Advanced Power Management
>
> and I can get the suspend/resume functions to work just fine. If, however,
> I use halt I get "press any key to reboot."
Do you have APM enabled? Check /etc/rc.conf and the output of 'apm'.
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Hi,
I am not sure wether I should send this mail to freebsd-hackers or
freebsd-mobile...
I am using WaveLAN PCMCIA and ISA card from Lucent Technologies.
The ISA card sends some messages called "beacons" to the PCMCIA card.
Does anybody know which kind of packets ( ICMP, ethernet frame... ???)
they are, and which information these messages contain ?
Thanks
Caroline
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>From some old reading I recall that beacons to Lucent means an advance
packet that is sent out to see if the radio space to the target host is
available prior to sending a quantity of traffic. Never sniffed it to see
what they were or if they were actually being sent. I didn't see anything
that looked like beacons in the wl0 driver code so it may actually be
implemented in the modem, itself.
Hopefully, somebody will give you more specific answers.
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From: Caroline Beauchamps <caroline.beauchamps@bt-sys.bt.co.uk>
To: 'freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org' <freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG>
Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 6:31 AM
Subject: WaveLAN beacons
>Hi,
>
>I am not sure wether I should send this mail to freebsd-hackers or
>freebsd-mobile...
>I am using WaveLAN PCMCIA and ISA card from Lucent Technologies.
>The ISA card sends some messages called "beacons" to the PCMCIA card.
>
>Does anybody know which kind of packets ( ICMP, ethernet frame... ???)
>they are, and which information these messages contain ?
>
>
>
>Thanks
>Caroline
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:18:10 -0800
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From: Bill Trost <trost@cloud.rain.com>
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Caroline Beauchamps writes:
I am not sure wether I should send this mail to freebsd-hackers or
freebsd-mobile...
-mobile, definitely -mobile.
I am using WaveLAN PCMCIA and ISA card from Lucent Technologies.
The ISA card sends some messages called "beacons" to the PCMCIA
card.
Does anybody know which kind of packets ( ICMP, ethernet frame...
???) they are, and which information these messages contain ?
Ever read Dr. Seuss's _Horton Hears A Who_? (-:
In the WaveLAN bridge stuff that is the "standard," each bridge (*not*
ISA card, unless you're talking about something else) sends a beacon
that says "I am here" and the NWID that it is using to carry traffic.
Mobile hosts are supposed to pick the bridge with the strongest beacon
and use that NWID to send and receive data.
Mobile IP (especially PSU's -- see http://www.cs.pdx.edu/research/SMN)
uses ICMP router advertisements in a similar fashion to let mobile nodes
get connected to the rest of the world.
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