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As an Australian White Male, I too take offence.
Perhaps we should consider a Class Action?
Regards
Don Hansford
<Igor>
Downs Unix Group
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: Martin Mactaggart <martinm@visualedge.com>
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> Martin Mactaggart wrote:
> > PoliticallyCorrectUNIX.txt 
> 
> As an American White Male, I take offense at System VI's obvious
> anti-white attitude.  For this reason System VI can not rightly be
> called The Politically Correct Unix.  You have caused me considerable
> emotion suffering--I will see you in court.
> 
> -- 
> "Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity.  Truth
> and faithfulness are the most sacred excellences and endowments of
> the human mind."  -- Cicero
> 
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I'm having difficulty installing any ports that need to ftp.  I can dial =
out using kppp (KDE 1.1.1) and I can ping the outside world without a =
problem, but that is the end of it.  A manual ftp ftp.freebsd.org gives =
me a Host name loolup failure. =20

My computer:
PII-400
128m RAM
USRobotics 56k int  (not a winmodem)
FreeBSD v3.2

Don't flame me too harshly
Steve Foster
Denver

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sun Oct 17 12:34:23 1999
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Wasn't the Bolshevik Revolution supposed to be a Class Action?

-Noah


Don Hansford wrote:
> 
> As an Australian White Male, I too take offence.
> Perhaps we should consider a Class Action?
> Regards
> Don Hansford
> <Igor>
> Downs Unix Group
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: D.M.P. <gryph@mindless.com>
> To: Martin Mactaggart <martinm@visualedge.com>
> Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 6:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Real (macho-type) men (apropos 'The complete FreeBSD')
> 
> > Martin Mactaggart wrote:
> > > PoliticallyCorrectUNIX.txt
> >
> > As an American White Male, I take offense at System VI's obvious
> > anti-white attitude.  For this reason System VI can not rightly be
> > called The Politically Correct Unix.  You have caused me considerable
> > emotion suffering--I will see you in court.
> >
> > --
> > "Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity.  Truth
> > and faithfulness are the most sacred excellences and endowments of
> > the human mind."  -- Cicero
> >
> >
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sun Oct 17 13:37:28 1999
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But wasn't that supposed to foster a 'Classless' society?

Regards
Igor

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To: Don Hansford <donh@halenet.com.au>
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> Wasn't the Bolshevik Revolution supposed to be a Class Action?
> 
> -Noah
> 
> 
> Don Hansford wrote:
> > 
> > As an Australian White Male, I too take offence.
> > Perhaps we should consider a Class Action?
> > Regards
> > Don Hansford
> > <Igor>
> > Downs Unix Group
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D.M.P. <gryph@mindless.com>
> > To: Martin Mactaggart <martinm@visualedge.com>
> > Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 6:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: Real (macho-type) men (apropos 'The complete FreeBSD')
> > 
> > > Martin Mactaggart wrote:
> > > > PoliticallyCorrectUNIX.txt
> > >
> > > As an American White Male, I take offense at System VI's obvious
> > > anti-white attitude.  For this reason System VI can not rightly be
> > > called The Politically Correct Unix.  You have caused me considerable
> > > emotion suffering--I will see you in court.
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity.  Truth
> > > and faithfulness are the most sacred excellences and endowments of
> > > the human mind."  -- Cicero
> > >
> > >
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sun Oct 17 14:48:58 1999
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I just got back from Santa Cruz, California, where I was in training
for the Cisco PIX Firewall.  Some of the people in class work for
consulting companies that service many .COM companies.. According to
one of the guys I talked to alot, he said most companies that get
large funding spend tons of money on commercial HTTPd server for the
front end (Microsoft, Sun) and spend most of their money on a cluster
of Sun Enterprise servers for the back end where the database lives. 
He said companies that don't get large funding typically deploy Red
Hat Linux on the front end on x86 and have 2 or 3 Sun Enterprise
servers on the back end.  I asked about *BSD and said there are some,
but not a lot.  However, most of the people who work for Ignite
Technologies (the firm he works for) are addicted to *BSD.  Their
typical Firewall deployment is the Nokia Firewall running FreeBSD and
Checkpoint.  

My point is that I love FreeBSD.  I have been running FreeBSD for
almost 2 years and can't imagine life without it.  Yes, I also have a
Windows PC (especially for things like Sniffer Pro) but when it comes
to .COM-ing the world FreeBSD is a leader..especially with companies
like MS Hotmail, Link  Exchange, MP3.com, etc..FreeBSD seems to exit
here, there, and everywhere even when other commercial OSs also have
a presence.  

Does anyone have any thoughts or input to this?  I'm in Las Vegas so
there are hardly any .COM companies, although some of the larger ISPs
have FreeBSD or BSDI mixed into their Sun/SGI networks.  As a Network
Administrator for the biggest WAN company in Las Vegas, I have to say
that FreeBSD may not be as prolific as Solaris, but it is strong,
robust, and the .COM people I know have great respect for FreeBSD. 
I'm studying for my Cisco CCIE and my wife and I have plans to move
to Colorado (Denver/Boulder/Colorado Springs area) and I'm sure I'll
end up working for some type of .COM firm or organization.  The
chance of them using FreeBSD are slimmer than finding an organization
using Linux, but that's ok.  My roots are in Network Administration -
building fault tolerant networks with high security.  FreeBSD works
well.  I also have BSDI installed and it's awesome too.  Give me a
*BSD box, let me use Blackbox for the GUI when I need multiple xterm
windows, and I'm good to go!

Mark

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sun Oct 17 15:52:24 1999
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"Stephen Foster" <fosterex@uswest.net> writes:

> I'm having difficulty installing any ports that need to ftp.  I can dial =
> out using kppp (KDE 1.1.1) and I can ping the outside world without a =
> problem, but that is the end of it.  A manual ftp ftp.freebsd.org gives =
> me a Host name loolup failure. =20

This is certainly not a 'ports' problem, more like a dns lookup problem it
seems to me :)

You could try setting up your /etc/resolv.conf file to include some *real*
name-server address, something along the lines of:

	domain hell.gr
	nameserver 127.0.0.1
	nameserver 195.170.0.2
	nameserver 195.170.2.1

The first 'nameserver' line is optional, use it only if you've installed and
are running a local *named* server.  The two last lines are the nameservers I
use, but they are those of a Greek ISP, so it would be probably quite slow for
you, but try using something closer networkwise to you, i.e. the ip-addresses
of the local ISP you're using.

-- 
Giorgos Keramidas, <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>
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    Why is it called a "CRON" job?  I've noticed that there is a reason for
just about every name in UNIX, but I still fail to see what Conan the
barbarian's warrior god has to do with anything...  I didn't know Cimmerians
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Cron is short for chronological (to do with time). Also Father Times' "pet"
name is/was "Old Man Cron"
Regards
Don Hansford
<Igor>
Downs Unix Group

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>     Why is it called a "CRON" job?  I've noticed that there is a reason
for
> just about every name in UNIX, but I still fail to see what Conan the
> barbarian's warrior god has to do with anything...  I didn't know
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> even used computers...
>
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> Why is it called a "CRON" job?  I've noticed that there is a 
> reason for just about every name in UNIX, but I still fail to 
> see what Conan the barbarian's warrior god has to do with anything...  
> I didn't know Cimmerians even used computers...

cron...

chrono-, from the Greek "Khronos" meaning time...

	as in "chronometer" or "chronological".


As for Conan, well I seem to remember his god being called Crom, not Cron.


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>     Why is it called a "CRON" job?  I've noticed that there is a reason for
> just about every name in UNIX, but I still fail to see what Conan the
> barbarian's warrior god has to do with anything... 

its based on the old greek/latin ergo roman god chronus got of 
time (basically) abd because cron looks after the systems 
jobing on a time based timetable ergo the anliisisation is cron

this is teh very cut down version of the why it is so routine

but i'm sure some one like david wolfskil will be able to 
provide a more accurate and fleshed out version.

> I didn't know Cimmerians even used computers...

if you go back in history and know what the word computer used 
to mean, than yes that group of people imaginary orother wise 
did use computers.

from memory, the word computer is  accurate emtomologically 
derived in teh oxford shorter dictionary, the 25 pound one  
with thinner than ricepaper pages and about 8 inches thick.

again the short version, is that computers were people who 
manually did the calulations for insurance, acutarial 
calulations, sales tax etc  etc etc they really cam into thier 
own during the british empire  days when navy'd need accurate 
calulation to make maps and merchants needed tables fro 
inurance premiums based on probability of  certain outcomes. 
thes computers could perform vastly difficult calulation in 
thier heads at the blink of an eye .. much fast more accurate 
than we could today withthe best handheld calulators that hp 
could build.

anyway,some thing to start you on your library search, just go 
to you library and get any books about british admiralty 
history and lookup computer who they were and what they did for 
a living.

cheers

jonathan  

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>     Why is it called a "CRON" job?  I've noticed that there is a reason 
>for
>just about every name in UNIX, but I still fail to see what Conan the
>barbarian's warrior god has to do with anything...  I didn't know 
>Cimmerians
>even used computers...
>


I guess it's just another "Stupid Acronym" among the rest.  WTF does GNU 
stand for??? I know GNU is  "GNU's not unix" or "GNU not unix"?? But what 
does the "GNU" in "GNU's not unix" stand for??  (Here's a reall good one for 
ya ....  any takers?????.)

-cosmic-665

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>
>I guess it's just another "Stupid Acronym" among the rest.  WTF does GNU 
>stand for??? I know GNU is  "GNU's not unix" or "GNU not unix"?? But what 
>does the "GNU" in "GNU's not unix" stand for??  (Here's a reall good one for 
>ya ....  any takers?????.)
>
>-cosmic-665
>

From 'The Jargon Lexicon', "The New Hacker's Dictionary"


GNU /gnoo/, not /noo/ 

1. [acronym: `GNU's Not Unix!', see recursive acronym] A Unix-workalike
development effort of the Free Software Foundation headed by Richard Stallman
<rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>. GNU EMACS and the GNU C compiler, two tools designed
for this project, have become very popular in hackerdom and elsewhere. The
GNU project was designed partly to proselytize for RMS's position that
information is community property and all software source should be shared.
One of its slogans is "Help stamp out software hoarding!" Though this remains
controversial (because it implicitly denies any right of designers to own,
assign, and sell the results of their labors), many hackers who disagree with
RMS have nevertheless cooperated to produce large amounts of high-quality
software for free redistribution under the Free Software Foundation's
imprimatur. See EMACS, copyleft, General Public Virus, Linux. 2. Noted Unix
hacker John Gilmore <gnu@toad.com>, founder of Usenet's anarchic alt.*
hierarchy.


recursive acronym n. 

A hackish (and especially MIT) tradition is to choose acronyms/abbreviations
that refer humorously to themselves or to other acronyms/abbreviations. The
classic examples were two MIT editors called EINE ("EINE Is Not EMACS") and
ZWEI ("ZWEI Was EINE Initially"). More recently, there is a Scheme compiler
called LIAR (Liar Imitates Apply Recursively), and GNU (q.v., sense 1) stands
for "GNU's Not Unix!" -- and a company with the name Cygnus, which expands to
"Cygnus, Your GNU Support" (though Cygnus people say this is a backronym). See
also mung, EMACS.


word wrapped by yours truly,


Tom Embt
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My 2 cents:
I believe Conan's god was named Crom, not cron.  Haven't read up on the
barbarian king since high school but I think I'm right.

cron is I believe from the Greek god Cronos who was associated with time.

My personal deity is of course Chuck!

John Purser

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>
> >     Why is it called a "CRON" job?  I've noticed that there is a reason
> >for
> >just about every name in UNIX, but I still fail to see what Conan the
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> >even used computers...
> >
>
>
> I guess it's just another "Stupid Acronym" among the rest.  WTF does GNU
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>
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>My 2 cents:
>I believe Conan's god was named Crom, not cron.  Haven't read up on the
>barbarian king since high school but I think I'm right.
>
>cron is I believe from the Greek god Cronos who was associated with time.
>
>My personal deity is of course Chuck!


Personal deity! Man, I have to share mine with everybody else ;-(

(not really - but if I wasn't an athiest)

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GNU stands for GNUs not unix, which stands for GNUs not unix not unix
which stands for GNUS not unix not unix not unix.  It's silly
recursion.  Some other things have silly recursive names like that,
there was even some program i saw once whose name bounced between two
names somehow.  It's just sillyness, but it can be amusing if you're
tired...

Cosmic 665 wrote:
> 
> >     Why is it called a "CRON" job?  I've noticed that there is a reason
> >for
> >just about every name in UNIX, but I still fail to see what Conan the
> >barbarian's warrior god has to do with anything...  I didn't know
> >Cimmerians
> >even used computers...
> >
> 
> I guess it's just another "Stupid Acronym" among the rest.  WTF does GNU
> stand for??? I know GNU is  "GNU's not unix" or "GNU not unix"?? But what
> does the "GNU" in "GNU's not unix" stand for??  (Here's a reall good one for
> ya ....  any takers?????.)
> 
> -cosmic-665
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reason
> > >for
> > >just about every name in UNIX, but I still fail to see what Conan the
> > >barbarian's warrior god has to do with anything...  I didn't know
> > >Cimmerians
> > >even used computers...

Conan's god is Crom, not CRON.

    -phil
> >
> > I guess it's just another "Stupid Acronym" among the rest.  WTF does GNU
> > stand for??? I know GNU is  "GNU's not unix" or "GNU not unix"?? But
what
> > does the "GNU" in "GNU's not unix" stand for??  (Here's a reall good one
for
> > ya ....  any takers?????.)
> >
> > -cosmic-665
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Hi,

Just one note, I sent this message to the Questions list a couple of
days ago, and haven't received a relpy.  Is there no other option that
re-installing X?.  At least, I can only see reinstalling X as the best
option at the moment.

uname -a output:

FreeBSD Bismuth 3.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE #0: Thu Sep 16 18:25:12
GMT 1999    
jhay@exteension.mikom.csir.co.za:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC  i386

When I tried to  run startx, I got the following message:

/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "ld-linux.so.2" not found

So, I don't know whether this was the correct thing to do or not, I
downloaded the file "ld-linux.so.2".  Now, I get the following message
when I run startx:

Bus error - core dumped

This then creates a file called xinit.core in my home directory.

When I run xdm, I get the login screen, but after logging in, it just
sends me back to the login screen.  The file .xsession-errors contains
the following:

exec: /home/drdugg/.xsession: permission denied

I must just point out that sometimes I tried to run xdm as a regular
user, and not after running su, by mistake.

On the X Desktop, I have GNOME with Enlightenment, but haven't actually
loaded them because the X Server keeps giving me the abovementioned
error messages.  Both .xinitrc and .xsession contain just one line, exec
gnome-session.

TIA

DouglasF


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Douglas Ulyate <dugg@iafrica.com> writes:

[snip]
> When I tried to  run startx, I got the following message:
> 
> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "ld-linux.so.2" not found

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't ld-linux.so.2 a Linux loader?  What does that
have to do with your FreeBSD X11 installation?

You're not running a linux version of X11 on your FreeBSD, are you?

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Hi,
I would like to know if it is possible to specify the
irq and the address for the network card from
some type of kernel boot configuration file.
And if yes, how.
I have read the handbook, but in there it is stated that one
needs to configure all the network card related parameters
during kernel compilation.
Unfortunately, at the moment I do not have enough
space to build the kernel, I am just using whatever
came with 3.3. Everytime my computer boots,
I see that the kernel is expecting my network card
be at the address of x280 while my card is at x300.
I understand, that I could just configure the card to be at 280,
but I would like to investigate the possible options before doing that.
I know that in Linux it is a lilo configuration parameter, but
since it is different for FreeBSD, I do not know how to do that.


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> cron is I believe from the Greek god Cronos who was associated with time.
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I think you'll find Cronos was one of the Titans, not one of the gods.


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> I see that the kernel is expecting my network card
> be at the address of x280 while my card is at x300.
> I understand, that I could just configure the card to be at 280,
> but I would like to investigate the possible options before doing that.

Let's face it, if your car had a flat tyre, you'd change it - without
investigating the possible options.

I'd just reconfigure the card.  No point in making life difficult for
yourself.

What do you think MS-DOS is for?

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>From: "Peter McGarvey" <Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk>
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:27:47 +0100

>> I see that the kernel is expecting my network card
>> be at the address of x280 while my card is at x300.
>> I understand, that I could just configure the card to be at 280,
>> but I would like to investigate the possible options before doing that.

>Let's face it, if your car had a flat tyre, you'd change it - without
>investigating the possible options.

>I'd just reconfigure the card.  No point in making life difficult for
>yourself.

>What do you think MS-DOS is for?

I think it's merely to make money for Microsoft.

For some of us, trying to use MS-DOS *is* (inherently) difficult.  In my
case, it's because I've never been able to use it reliably (and
therefore am unwilling to entrust it for any application that is more
important to me than mere amusement), and at home, it's not available --
period.

I believe that a way for the original correspondent to address his
concern (no pun intended, honest!) would be to interrupt the "spinning
propeller" 10-second count-down during boot by pressing the space bar
once.  Then, at the "boot> " prompt, enter "boot -c", which will allow
the same kind of configuration dialog that was provided for during the
install of FreeBSD.

It should then be possible to select Network cards; from those, select
the NE2000(-compatible) ed0, then (in the lower part of the screen)
specify the low address in question (and optionally, the IRQ).

Upon leaving this dialog, one will have the option to save the results;
I recommend doing this.  ("Under the covers", this writes a file called
/boot/kernel.conf.  It may be of interest to look at this file at some
point, though it's not necessary under most conditions.)

The above-cited procedure is discussed on pp. 50-52 of the 2nd edition
of _The Complete FreeBSD_; especially p. 51.

Cheers,
david
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----- Original Message -----
From: David Wolfskill <dhw@whistle.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 11:58 PM
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> >From: "Peter McGarvey" <Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk>
> >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:27:47 +0100
>
> >> I see that the kernel is expecting my network card
> >> be at the address of x280 while my card is at x300.
> >> I understand, that I could just configure the card to be at 280,
> >> but I would like to investigate the possible options before doing that.
>
*snip*

> I believe that a way for the original correspondent to address his
> concern (no pun intended, honest!) would be to interrupt the "spinning
> propeller" 10-second count-down during boot by pressing the space bar
> once.  Then, at the "boot> " prompt, enter "boot -c", which will allow
> the same kind of configuration dialog that was provided for during the
> install of FreeBSD.
>
> It should then be possible to select Network cards; from those, select
> the NE2000(-compatible) ed0, then (in the lower part of the screen)
> specify the low address in question (and optionally, the IRQ).
>
> Upon leaving this dialog, one will have the option to save the results;
> I recommend doing this.  ("Under the covers", this writes a file called
> /boot/kernel.conf.  It may be of interest to look at this file at some
> point, though it's not necessary under most conditions.)
>
> The above-cited procedure is discussed on pp. 50-52 of the 2nd edition
> of _The Complete FreeBSD_; especially p. 51.

Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to recompile the kernel?


>
> Cheers,
> david
> --
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Douglas Ulyate wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just one note, I sent this message to the Questions list a couple of
> days ago, and haven't received a relpy.  Is there no other option that
> re-installing X?.  At least, I can only see reinstalling X as the best
> option at the moment.
>
> uname -a output:
>
> FreeBSD Bismuth 3.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE #0: Thu Sep 16 18:25:12
> GMT 1999
> jhay@exteension.mikom.csir.co.za:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC  i386
>
> When I tried to  run startx, I got the following message:
>
> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "ld-linux.so.2" not found
>
> So, I don't know whether this was the correct thing to do or not, I
> downloaded the file "ld-linux.so.2".  Now, I get the following message
> when I run startx:
>
> Bus error - core dumped
>
> This then creates a file called xinit.core in my home directory.
>
> When I run xdm, I get the login screen, but after logging in, it just
> sends me back to the login screen.  The file .xsession-errors contains
> the following:
>
> exec: /home/drdugg/.xsession: permission denied
>
> I must just point out that sometimes I tried to run xdm as a regular
> user, and not after running su, by mistake.
>
> On the X Desktop, I have GNOME with Enlightenment, but haven't actually
> loaded them because the X Server keeps giving me the abovementioned
> error messages.  Both .xinitrc and .xsession contain just one line, exec
> gnome-session.
>
> TIA
>
> DouglasF
>
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This was  happened on "fresh" system or after a while?
It is interesting for me because I have faced with the same problem, but
with respect to other programs.

Kirill





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    Well, this won't help you with your ld.so problem, but .xinitrc and
.xsession should have more than just exec gnome-session.... There should be
a second line to start your WM....
maybe:

exec gnome-session &;
exec enlightenment

    "bus error - core dumped" seems familiar to me... I think I got that
when I tried to run the Linux version of NetScape prior to installing the
linux compatibility libraries... Maybe you could try installing those
("pkg_add linux_compat5.2.tgz" or something, find it on your CD's or from
freebsd.org, or use /stand/sysinstall) and see what happens;  you probably
have the linux version of ld-linux.so, though I imagine the linux compat
libs have their own ld-linux.so so you might want to try renaming the one
you dl'ed ("hide" it somewhere) b4 installing them and see what happens (ie:
whether or not you get a new one that doesn't core dump on you when X uses
it...).

    Last and definitely least, you may want to try installing and using kde
(install KDE using the "post-install configuration" option given when you
run /stand/sysinstall, and use it by changing .xinitrc and .xsession to
"exec startkde" rather than "exec enlightenment" as per above...), since I
think Enlightenment is very very Beta, and might not be the best WM to use
to get familiar with configuring X.

    Good luck, and back up your system b4 following MY advice (I'm a newbie)

----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Ulyate <dugg@iafrica.com>
To: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 3:58 PM
Subject: X Server Problem


Hi,

Just one note, I sent this message to the Questions list a couple of
days ago, and haven't received a relpy.  Is there no other option that
re-installing X?.  At least, I can only see reinstalling X as the best
option at the moment.

uname -a output:

FreeBSD Bismuth 3.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE #0: Thu Sep 16 18:25:12
GMT 1999
jhay@exteension.mikom.csir.co.za:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC  i386

When I tried to  run startx, I got the following message:

/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "ld-linux.so.2" not found

So, I don't know whether this was the correct thing to do or not, I
downloaded the file "ld-linux.so.2".  Now, I get the following message
when I run startx:

Bus error - core dumped

This then creates a file called xinit.core in my home directory.

When I run xdm, I get the login screen, but after logging in, it just
sends me back to the login screen.  The file .xsession-errors contains
the following:

exec: /home/drdugg/.xsession: permission denied

I must just point out that sometimes I tried to run xdm as a regular
user, and not after running su, by mistake.

On the X Desktop, I have GNOME with Enlightenment, but haven't actually
loaded them because the X Server keeps giving me the abovementioned
error messages.  Both .xinitrc and .xsession contain just one line, exec
gnome-session.

TIA

DouglasF


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I think, thats the way it should be, that this kernel.conf fine is the
dafault for later boots. Didnt work for me with the PNP soundcard, well,
how do you "save" this file ? 

Heiko

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Kirill Y Berezin wrote:
> 
> 
> This was  happened on "fresh" system or after a while?
> It is interesting for me because I have faced with the same problem, but
> with respect to other programs.
> 

Fresh, very fresh, I have been running FreeBSD for one week, I have had
X installed for about four or five days.  

Giorgos, I don't think it's a Linux version, I got it off the local
FreeBSD FTP.

Douglas


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> Giorgos, I don't think it's a Linux version, I got it off the local
> FreeBSD FTP.

You can double-check this by running file(1) on the X server binary:

	% which X
	/usr/X11R6/bin/X: symbolic link to /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA
	% file /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA
	/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, \
	  Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, not stripped

If it says Linux in there somewhere, then that's why you're being told that
ld-linux.so is required.  On the other hand, if it's not your X server that's
dependent on ld-linux.so, you can still test it's configuration with:

	% X -probeonly

and see if it all starts up right, and the X server recognizes your card, the
ModeLines you've set up etc.

The next step would be to fire up the X server alone, and see if that gray
screen comes up:

	% X

and see what happens... does it start properly?  If it does, and you see the
gray X screen, press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to bring the X server down, and check
the rest of the executables loaded by xinitrc (you'll find this monster at
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc I think).

One of the executables called in there is a linux executable, and that's what
causes you problems.

If you're too bored to check all this out, perhaps installing the linux
emulation and libraries would be enough.  But this might turn to be more
trouble that finding out which one of your executables is Linux-ELF.

However, if you want to have a native FreeBSD desktop, try and see if the
version of gnome that you have, or enlightenment, or some other executable
called by the xinitrc script is Linux-ELF instead of FreeBSD-ELF...

Regards,

-- 
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One of my next projects is to get more into creating mp3 files from my CDs.

I would be interested in somebody else's experience as I have seen many
mails on -questions that deal with the problems of getting this to work. I
have a IDE CD-ROM drive that supports CDA but I ran into problems that there
were massive drop-outs in the .wav file, another program produced a .cda
file (that seems to be unrecognised by pretty much everything), encoding
took forever compared to NT... 
So it's a jungle out there and I'm hoping some fellow newbie has mastered
this stage and has not forgotten that there was a time when he was learning,
too.

So any tips what applications work well to rip and encode (I used bladeenc
under Win with good success, does it deliver the same quality under
FreeBSD?) would be much appreciated.


Thanks!!
Michael


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> So any tips what applications work well to rip and encode (I used bladeenc
> under Win with good success, does it deliver the same quality under
> FreeBSD?) would be much appreciated.

I dont know much of ripping, tosha works great with my toshiba SCSI, and I
have heard that there are also hardware things to watch, somebody had such
dropouts with w95, but for encoding I would recomend l3enc. Had l3enc for
Dos, IMH0 best soundquality in MY tests, the fastest, and the Linux
version works also without much fiddling in FBSD. If you make an altavista
search for l3enc and linux, it should be a question of maybe 5 minutes to
find the l3enc261 (?) something.tar.etc and the neccesary additional
infos, maybe in indonesia............

Heiko





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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> 
> 
> The next step would be to fire up the X server alone, and see if that gray
> screen comes up:
> 
>         % X

Yes, this part works fine, I get the gray screen with the "X" pointer. 
I try out the rest later.

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Thanks for your help,
I was able to get to the configuration prompt and
configure my card.  Only once I exit (using the save options)
it does not save it anywere.
I also found a site http://www.freebsddiary.org/freebsd/kernelchange.htm
that actually descibed how to make changes to the files
in /boot directory.
The problem I am having right now is that the system does not seem
to read those files.  I think this is because I do not have boot loader
installed, I boot from a floppy disk (I tried to install FreeBSD's boot manager
but I have a old MB that can only boot from drive 1, and my freeBSD is
on drive 2 (all IDE), and even though drive 1 has free space from block 0 to
block 63,  FreeBSD cannot create a partion there, so overall I cannot
install the boot manager onto the boot sectors of drive 1 and therfore cannot
boot from the hardisk, and therefore cannot use /boot/kernel.conf files to
manage the boot process.)

But anyways, thanks for the help, I guess, I have no other way but to change
the address of my network card (but then I have the sound card that is on x280,
so I have change that as well).

Vladislav

 > 
> I believe that a way for the original correspondent to address his
> concern (no pun intended, honest!) would be to interrupt the "spinning
> propeller" 10-second count-down during boot by pressing the space bar
> once.  Then, at the "boot> " prompt, enter "boot -c", which will allow
> the same kind of configuration dialog that was provided for during the
> install of FreeBSD.
> 
> It should then be possible to select Network cards; from those, select
> the NE2000(-compatible) ed0, then (in the lower part of the screen)
> specify the low address in question (and optionally, the IRQ).
> 
> Upon leaving this dialog, one will have the option to save the results;
> I recommend doing this.  ("Under the covers", this writes a file called
> /boot/kernel.conf.  It may be of interest to look at this file at some
> point, though it's not necessary under most conditions.)
> 
> The above-cited procedure is discussed on pp. 50-52 of the 2nd edition
> of _The Complete FreeBSD_; especially p. 51.
> 
> Cheers,
> david
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From: Vladislav <reason@shadow.net>
To: David Wolfskill <dhw@whistle.com>, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: [Q] NE2000 startup config
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:51:16 -0400
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2001, Vladislav wrote:
 Thanks for your help,
 I was able to get to the configuration prompt and
 configure my card.  Only once I exit (using the save options)
 it does not save it anywere.
 I also found a site http://www.freebsddiary.org/freebsd/kernelchange.htm
 that actually descibed how to make changes to the files
 in /boot directory.
 The problem I am having right now is that the system does not seem
 to read those files.  I think this is because I do not have boot loader
 installed, I boot from a floppy disk (I tried to install FreeBSD's boot manager
 but I have a old MB that can only boot from drive 1, and my freeBSD is
 on drive 2 (all IDE), and even though drive 1 has free space from block 0 to
 block 63,  FreeBSD cannot create a partion there, so overall I cannot
 install the boot manager onto the boot sectors of drive 1 and therfore cannot
 boot from the hardisk, and therefore cannot use /boot/kernel.conf files to
 manage the boot process.)
 
 But anyways, thanks for the help, I guess, I have no other way but to change
 the address of my network card (but then I have the sound card that is on x280,
 so I have change that as well).
 
 Vladislav
 
>  > 
> > I believe that a way for the original correspondent to address his
> > concern (no pun intended, honest!) would be to interrupt the "spinning
> > propeller" 10-second count-down during boot by pressing the space bar
> > once.  Then, at the "boot> " prompt, enter "boot -c", which will allow
> > the same kind of configuration dialog that was provided for during the
> > install of FreeBSD.
> > 
> > It should then be possible to select Network cards; from those, select
> > the NE2000(-compatible) ed0, then (in the lower part of the screen)
> > specify the low address in question (and optionally, the IRQ).
> > 
> > Upon leaving this dialog, one will have the option to save the results;
> > I recommend doing this.  ("Under the covers", this writes a file called
> > /boot/kernel.conf.  It may be of interest to look at this file at some
> > point, though it's not necessary under most conditions.)
> > 
> > The above-cited procedure is discussed on pp. 50-52 of the 2nd edition
> > of _The Complete FreeBSD_; especially p. 51.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > david
> > -- 
> > David Wolfskill		dhw@whistle.com		UNIX System Administrator
> > voice: (650) 577-7158	pager: (888) 347-0197	FAX: (650) 372-5915
> > 
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                         FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit
                                       
   (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list.
   It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/)
   
   FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about
   installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests
   are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions.
   
   FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to
   questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies.
   
   FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and
   covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt
   with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on
   our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how
   to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to
   use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories,
   moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the
   FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to
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   One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find
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When something doesn't work the way you expect

    1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at
       http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and
       security advisories.
    2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at
       http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html
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Mailing lists

   When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only
   one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG.
   FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as
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   You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a
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   http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too.
   
   If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and
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   Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing
   list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might
   get the answer right away. It's always worth trying.
   
   Other mailing lists
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   need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's
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   FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional
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Manuals

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   If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a
   brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need,
   always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you
   do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction.
   
   Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is
   encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at
   http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html
   
Other resources

   A resource list is available at
   http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and
   inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It
   includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web
   pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a
   suggestion for good material to be included, please write to
   freebsd-newbies and tell us about it.
   
But I have seen people asking questions here!

   It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a
   mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from
   time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't
   belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose
   job it is to sort these problems out privately.
   
   The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It
   is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies
   so we all make mistakes. That's OK.
   
   One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions,
   believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies,
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   situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to
   redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently.
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   So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions
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Hi,
I have read that FreeBSD by March of '99 will
have a demo of a new packaging system that
should be great 


This is a quote from  From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> 
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:28:52 -0800

[snip....]
FreeBSD is already working on a new packaging system using paid
contractors so that it actually happens this time.  We hope to have a
technology demonstrator by March of next year; I won't say too much
about it except to say that it's considerably more ambitious than any
of the existing (Linux, *BSD) packaging systems and does a better job,
IMHO, of handling both the front-end and security issues
[snip...]

I found it in one of the mailing list archives for OpenBSD.

The reason I am asking this is because I have tried to install
the some of the BSD ports (after reading the handbook, of course)
and noticed that I can either retreive the source from internet
(using make install in  the specific packages tree) or
use pkg_add on the binary packages from CD 3 (rel 3-3). But I think
those tools do not check what other dependencies (packages) are missing and
then download what is needed precompiled from internet; or,
if you unstall something it would install the dependencies.
(I was using apt-get on Debian Linux).  
So I am thinking that may be FreeBSD has other packaging
system that I am not using and may be I just need to enable it somehow?
(I did search freeBSD web site regarding this buy did not find
any specific links)

thanks in advance for any info,
Vladislav

P.S. I appologize for the date/time on my emails, my BIOS cannot
keep the time straight (or the clock battery is dying ....)


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sat Oct 23  3:29:39 1999
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The usual packaging system tells you what is missing. I did that with
gimp. Got the pkg via ftp and did pkg_add. Well, I had to install some
other packages too. Did that all manually, but could have been done
automatically via ftp install, IMHO.

Heiko



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