From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 31 12:52:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dht.dk (dht.dk [194.239.148.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6034614DBF for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:52:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carsten@holstweb.dk) Received: (qmail 55248 invoked from network); 31 Oct 1999 20:53:00 -0000 Received: from pc82023.stofanet.dk (HELO cholst) (212.10.5.23) by dht.dk with SMTP; 31 Oct 1999 20:53:00 -0000 Message-ID: <199910312152370110.0116E383@mail.holstweb.dk> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.03.02 (3) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:52:37 +0100 From: "Carsten Holst" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: A few questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all! I am looking for an alternative to Windows, and am currently considering= freeBSD and linux. The problem I'm having is finding the difference= between linux and freeBSD. Is there any? If there is, what are they? Does anybody have links to comparisons between freeBSD and linux? What would be the easiest to start out with, as I am completely new to all= sorts of *nix and bsd? I primarily use my computer for schoolwork, and some programming. Thanks in advance, for any input!! -- Regards Carsten Holst http://holstweb.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 31 13:12:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C4914F33 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 13:12:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA67304; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 15:13:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 15:13:06 -0600 From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Carsten Holst Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <199910312152370110.0116E383@mail.holstweb.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am looking for an alternative to Windows, and am currently considering freeBSD and linux. The problem I'm having is finding the difference between linux and freeBSD. Is there any? If there is, what are they? > Does anybody have links to comparisons between freeBSD and linux? For the most part, both are unix-like OSes. At your use at this point, they'll likely seem far more similar than different. Rather, you should currently pick the platform you can find the most help with, from friends, or else user groups, mailing lists, and documentation (ie, books). Linux has more in those regards than FreeBSD does, currently, and many Linux distributions are designed for new users (ie, Caldera). So right now choose which platform by how much help you think you can get. You can also easily choose both, and play around. > What would be the easiest to start out with, as I am completely new to all sorts of *nix and bsd? > I primarily use my computer for schoolwork, and some programming. The FreeBSD ports collection is extremely easy, and nicer than anything common on Linux. Also, since only FreeBSD, Inc. creates a distribution, there are far fewer holes, bugs, and other annoyances to deal with (as on Linux distributions, you can never tell how secure each is by default). Most of the tools should be available for both platforms, or any from Linux being emulated on FreeBSD without much hassle. The only other issue is programming, where you have the BSD license giving you more rights on the system. Of course, if you don't plan to program into the code base provided by Linux of FreeBSD, than that's not a concern. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 8:52:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.visualedge.com (visualedge.com [207.139.24.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8829715269 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:52:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martinm@visualedge.com) Received: from pony by vedge with SMTP (8.6.11/) id LAA08998; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: <011001bf2489$ab82d1a0$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> From: "Martin Mactaggart" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" , "Carsten Holst" References: <199910312152370110.0116E383@mail.holstweb.dk> Subject: Re: A few questions Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:53:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The difference between Linux and FreeBSD is that FreeBSD is better. Also, the FreeBSD CDs tend to be a shiny metallic colour while Linux's tend to have some company's logo on them (which one varies by distribution) making them useless as substitute mirrors. The mascots of both are approximately equally cute, which is, of course, an important consideration. Other than those "top three" considerations, some of the differences include a different file system and the fact that FreeBSD is more performance and server oriented than Linux, which in turn tends to be considered by many as being more user friendly. Additionally, Linux is actually a Kernel (correct me if I am wrong) rather than an OS: vendors add utilites to the Kernel to come up with an OS, which is not the case for FreeBSD; FreeBSD is a complete, freestanding, OS (I'm not saying one way of going about things is better). ----- Original Message ----- From: Carsten Holst To: Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 3:52 PM Subject: A few questions Hi all! I am looking for an alternative to Windows, and am currently considering freeBSD and linux. The problem I'm having is finding the difference between linux and freeBSD. Is there any? If there is, what are they? Does anybody have links to comparisons between freeBSD and linux? What would be the easiest to start out with, as I am completely new to all sorts of *nix and bsd? I primarily use my computer for schoolwork, and some programming. Thanks in advance, for any input!! -- Regards Carsten Holst http://holstweb.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 9:22:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C60E14BCD for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:22:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11iL9u-000C69-00; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:22:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA45710; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:22:18 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:22:18 +0000 (GMT) From: J McKitrick To: Martin Mactaggart Cc: FreeBSD Newbies , Carsten Holst Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <011001bf2489$ab82d1a0$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >performance and server oriented than Linux, which in turn tends to be >considered by many as being more user friendly. There was a recent debate here over how FreeBSD's file system *may* be better for reliablility than linux, even though it *may* be slower. The FreeBSD TCP/IP processing routines are supposedly faster and more robust than almost anyone else's. Also, the filesystem makes more sense and is well laid out. FreeBSD, unlike Linux, is based on actual UNIX OS code, whereas Linux is a very good workalike to unix. > > Additionally, Linux is actually a Kernel (correct me if I am wrong) >rather than an OS: vendors add utilites to the Kernel to come up with an OS, >which is not the case for FreeBSD; FreeBSD is a complete, freestanding, OS This means FreeBSD can offer a level of integration and coherence that cannot be offered by linux. However, to the credit of several linux distros, linux autoconfigures much more in the way of hardware, and *can* easily be set up from the beginning to shield you from the console and go straight to an integrated point-and-click desktop (e.g. redhat, mandrake, caldera). I found it makes sense to play with linux for a while, then if you want the features of FreeBSD and are willing to make some sacrifices (installation/customization ease, hardware support, different package/port management), go for it !! >(I'm not saying one way of going about things is better). > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Carsten Holst >To: >Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 3:52 PM >Subject: A few questions > > >Hi all! > >I am looking for an alternative to Windows, and am currently considering >freeBSD and linux. The problem I'm having is finding the difference between >linux and freeBSD. Is there any? If there is, what are they? >Does anybody have links to comparisons between freeBSD and linux? > >What would be the easiest to start out with, as I am completely new to all >sorts of *nix and bsd? >I primarily use my computer for schoolwork, and some programming. > >Thanks in advance, for any input!! >-- >Regards >Carsten Holst >http://holstweb.dk > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 10:48:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C211614BFF for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:48:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02701 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:48:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:48:39 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok - I've seen this question posted here enough - it's time to do soemthing about it. I volunteer myself to set up a web page with a "side-by-side" comparison of FreeBSD and Linux, but I will need help to make sure the information is correct. Once it's up, it will be a simple matter of sending the URL to whoever asks, rather than starting another thread on this topic. Anyone want to give me a hand on this? M. On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, J McKitrick wrote: > >performance and server oriented than Linux, which in turn tends to be > >considered by many as being more user friendly. > There was a recent debate here over how FreeBSD's file system *may* be > better for reliablility than linux, even though it *may* be slower. The > FreeBSD TCP/IP processing routines are supposedly faster and more robust > than almost anyone else's. Also, the filesystem makes more sense and is > well laid out. FreeBSD, unlike Linux, is based on actual UNIX OS code, > whereas Linux is a very good workalike to unix. > > > > > Additionally, Linux is actually a Kernel (correct me if I am wrong) > >rather than an OS: vendors add utilites to the Kernel to come up with an OS, > >which is not the case for FreeBSD; FreeBSD is a complete, freestanding, OS > This means FreeBSD can offer a level of integration and coherence that > cannot be offered by linux. > However, to the credit of several linux distros, linux autoconfigures much > more in the way of hardware, and *can* easily be set up from the beginning > to shield you from the console and go straight to an integrated > point-and-click desktop (e.g. redhat, mandrake, caldera). I found it > makes sense to play with linux for a while, then if you want the features > of FreeBSD and are willing to make some sacrifices > (installation/customization ease, hardware support, different package/port > management), go for it !! > > > > > >(I'm not saying one way of going about things is better). > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Carsten Holst > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 3:52 PM > >Subject: A few questions > > > > > >Hi all! > > > >I am looking for an alternative to Windows, and am currently considering > >freeBSD and linux. The problem I'm having is finding the difference between > >linux and freeBSD. Is there any? If there is, what are they? > >Does anybody have links to comparisons between freeBSD and linux? > > > >What would be the easiest to start out with, as I am completely new to all > >sorts of *nix and bsd? > >I primarily use my computer for schoolwork, and some programming. > > > >Thanks in advance, for any input!! > >-- > >Regards > >Carsten Holst > >http://holstweb.dk > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 11:55:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7221521D for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:55:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Smc486@aol.com) Received: from Smc486@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id jVADa19941 (3969); Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:53:41 -0500 (EST) From: Smc486@aol.com Message-ID: <0.5ba7562b.254f49c5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:53:41 EST Subject: Re: A few questions To: jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One thing to add about the filesystem, is the long fsck's(File system checks) you have to go threw in linux. If you dont umount properly or your machine crashes, Linux will make you sit threw long checks, taking almost 5 mins(on 6gig) to be completed. In the future linux will have a Journaling File System and hopefully FreeBSD will the also. >There was a recent debate here over how FreeBSD's file system *may* be >better for reliablility than linux, even though it *may* be slower. The >FreeBSD TCP/IP processing routines are supposedly faster and more robust >than almost anyone else's. Also, the filesystem makes more sense and is >well laid out. FreeBSD, unlike Linux, is based on actual UNIX OS code, >whereas Linux is a very good workalike to unix. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 12:14:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu (ns-mx.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE794150A2 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:14:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris-manjoine@uiowa.edu) Received: from dsp45 (dsp62.dsp.uiowa.edu [128.255.242.128]) by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/ns-mx-1.7) with SMTP id OAA36248 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:13:48 -0600 Message-Id: <4.1.19991101141319.00bdbaa0@mail.vpr.uiowa.edu> X-Sender: manjoine@mail.vpr.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 14:13:29 -0600 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Chris Manjoine Subject: encryption in freebsd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_20475892==_.ALT" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====================_20475892==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have resently updated my freebsd from 3.2 to 3.3. > I got everything put back in place and everything runs fine except for logins > I found out after comparing a new login that works to the old logins in the > master.passwd file that the encryption is different I think I am using DES > encryption rather than MD5 is there any way I can convert the MD5 encrypted > logins to DES or can I change the default authentication to MD5? > Chris Manjoine | DSP Webmaster | 335-3019 | chris-manjoine@uiowa.edu | 2B-2 > Gilmore Chris Manjoine | DSP Webmaster | 335-3019 | chris-manjoine@uiowa.edu | 2B-2 Gilmore --=====================_20475892==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

I have resently updated my freebsd from 3.2 to 3.3.
I got everything put back in place and everything runs fine except for logins
I found out after comparing a new login that works to the old logins in the master.passwd file that the encryption is different I think I am using DES encryption rather than MD5 is there any way I can convert the MD5 encrypted logins to DES or can I change the default authentication to MD5?
Chris Manjoine | DSP Webmaster | 335-3019 | chris-manjoine@uiowa.edu | 2B-2 Gilmore


Chris Manjoine | DSP Webmaster | 335-3019 | chris-manjoine@uiowa.edu | 2B-2 Gilmore
--=====================_20475892==_.ALT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 12:24:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (mailstop.cstone.net [205.197.102.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3D715028 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:23:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (snowcrash.cstone.net [209.145.66.12]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:21:48 -0500 Message-ID: <381DF74B.B1DF8CDF@cstone.net> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 15:25:47 -0500 From: Sean Michael Whipkey Organization: Cornerstone Networks, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marty Poulin Cc: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Re: A few questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marty Poulin wrote: > I volunteer myself to set up a web page with a "side-by-side" comparison > of FreeBSD and Linux, but I will need help to make sure the information is > correct. There was a nice colorful chart at FreeBSDCon's FreeBSDMall exhibit showing the differences between NT, FreeBSD, and Linux. If it's not already up and online I can try to get our webmaster to scan it for me if desired... SeanMike -- Sean Michael Whipkey - highway@cstone.net - www.cstone.net Engineering Department, Cornerstone Networks, Inc. 804.817.7000 - Report spam with headers to: spam-report@cstone.net "For a kingdom of ultimate evil, it was a little disappointing." - L5R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 12:33:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail16.svr.pol.co.uk (mail16.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F4415717 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:32:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@roadhouse.fsnet.co.uk) Received: from [195.92.193.25] (helo=mail15.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail16.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11iO8K-0004Es-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:32:52 +0000 Received: from modem-85.androstenedione.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.52.213] helo=bluejeans) by mail15.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11iO7y-0003Gy-00; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:32:31 +0000 Message-ID: <008e01bf24a8$3a34aea0$d534883e@bluejeans> From: "Matt" To: "Sean Michael Whipkey" , "Marty Poulin" Cc: "FreeBSD Newbies" References: <381DF74B.B1DF8CDF@cstone.net> Subject: Re: A few questions Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:32:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > There was a nice colorful chart at FreeBSDCon's FreeBSDMall exhibit > showing the differences between NT, FreeBSD, and Linux. If it's not > already up and online I can try to get our webmaster to scan it for me > if desired... Hi. The only link I know of is http://www.futuresouth.com/~fullermd/freebsd/bsdvlin.html But that seems a bit out of date. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 13: 0:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8361152AD for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:00:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA02961 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:00:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:00:19 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <008e01bf24a8$3a34aea0$d534883e@bluejeans> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks - I'll have to read up on all of the text in there to see if I can pull anything out of it. looks like a good place to start though. - M - On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Matt wrote: > > There was a nice colorful chart at FreeBSDCon's FreeBSDMall exhibit > > showing the differences between NT, FreeBSD, and Linux. If it's not > > already up and online I can try to get our webmaster to scan it for me > > if desired... > > Hi. The only link I know of is > http://www.futuresouth.com/~fullermd/freebsd/bsdvlin.html > But that seems a bit out of date. > > Matt > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 13: 1:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773B514F02 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA02969; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:01:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <381DF74B.B1DF8CDF@cstone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That would be great! Thanks. - M - On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > Marty Poulin wrote: > > I volunteer myself to set up a web page with a "side-by-side" comparison > > of FreeBSD and Linux, but I will need help to make sure the information is > > correct. > > There was a nice colorful chart at FreeBSDCon's FreeBSDMall exhibit > showing the differences between NT, FreeBSD, and Linux. If it's not > already up and online I can try to get our webmaster to scan it for me > if desired... > > SeanMike > > -- > Sean Michael Whipkey - highway@cstone.net - www.cstone.net > Engineering Department, Cornerstone Networks, Inc. > 804.817.7000 - Report spam with headers to: spam-report@cstone.net > "For a kingdom of ultimate evil, it was a little disappointing." - L5R > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 13: 2:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92C214DF4 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:02:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA02978 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:02:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:02:32 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Website: FreeBSD vs. Linux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's not much, but it's a start: http://www.honk.org/~mpoulin - M - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 13:38:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D2E14E5C for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:38:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA28829; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:39:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:39:06 -0600 From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Marty Poulin Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Website: FreeBSD vs. Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It's not much, but it's a start: > > http://www.honk.org/~mpoulin I believe BSDI has a page with FreeBSD 3.2 vs. Linux vs. BSDI vs. NT or something along those lines. It might be a good thing to check out. Also for the Linux is a kernel, I believe FSF somewhere has the explanation of GNU/Linux (as to make Linux operational, it requires GNU code). That might be a good thing to link there too. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 14:12:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BCD14E2A for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:12:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@roadhouse.fsnet.co.uk) Received: from modem-92.atenolol.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.54.92] helo=bluejeans) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11iPge-0000uw-00 for FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:12:24 +0000 Message-ID: <002501bf24b6$2ec9fb20$5c36883e@bluejeans> From: "Matt" To: References: Subject: Re: Website: FreeBSD vs. Linux Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:11:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It's not much, but it's a start: > > http://www.honk.org/~mpoulin Theres always the comparison in Greg Lehey's book 'The Complete FreeBSD'. After starting out with Microsoft I've been using Linux for about a year, and only found out about FreeBSD a couple of months ago. Although I'll continue to use both, I do prefer FreeBSD. I find FreeBSD easier to install than most Linux distributions (I've tried SUSE, RedHat and Debian - I'll be trying Mandrake in a few days). I love the ports collection - its so easy. As is kernel configuration (its also a quicker compile than a Linux kernel). I also think that the Handbook is fantastic - much neater than HOWTO's all over the place. It seems true that Linux supports more hardware, but the downside of that is a *huge* kernel source tree (~50Megs I think). Linux has some great/easy config tools as well like SUSE's YAST, and RedHats Linuxconf. They make setting up printers, modems and PPP etc a breeze. Of course you can do it by hand if you prefer. I'd like to see FreeBSD have a similar tool - just so the choice is there. The other nice thing about FreeBSD is that there is only one. How many Linux disributions are there? Each has a different set of software and a different config tool and it is really confusing deciding which one to try first. Not forgetting that FreeBSD can run some Linux binaries, whereas the opposite is not true. As for performance, well FreeBSD 'seems' a bit slicker on my system - I think it handles swap in a different way so maybe thats why (I don't really know as I'm no expert). My other reasons for preferring FreeBSD are that I like the fact that it is a direct descendent of the original UNIX, whereas Linux was written virtually from scratch (also pretty admirable IMHO), and I dont really like the penguin as a mascot (a completely irrelevant point maybe). I think these days with companies like Cheapbytes, everyone has the opportunity to try as many variants as they want to and then make their own mind up. Here in Open-Source land we really are spoilt for choice. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 14:17:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE33815047 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:17:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA57617; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:18:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:18:10 -0600 From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Matt Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Website: FreeBSD vs. Linux In-Reply-To: <002501bf24b6$2ec9fb20$5c36883e@bluejeans> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > and I dont really like the penguin as a mascot (a completely > irrelevant point maybe). How about the Linux fox? :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 14:22:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2B414E2A for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:22:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@roadhouse.fsnet.co.uk) Received: from modem-92.atenolol.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.54.92] helo=bluejeans) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11iPqN-0002wZ-00; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:22:27 +0000 Message-ID: <005101bf24b7$95fd8c20$5c36883e@bluejeans> From: "Matt" To: "Benjamin M. Manes" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Website: FreeBSD vs. Linux Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:22:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > and I dont really like the penguin as a mascot (a completely > > irrelevant point maybe). > > How about the Linux fox? :) I'll have to own up to not ever having seen that. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 14:36:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336FD14C28 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:36:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA76967; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:37:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:37:22 -0600 From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Matt Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Website: FreeBSD vs. Linux In-Reply-To: <005101bf24b7$95fd8c20$5c36883e@bluejeans> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > How about the Linux fox? :) > > I'll have to own up to not ever having seen that. Its not relevent.. but.. http://www.early.com/~emackey/linux/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 14:38:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF73F14E2A for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:38:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@roadhouse.fsnet.co.uk) Received: from modem-92.atenolol.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.54.92] helo=bluejeans) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11iQ5u-00066T-00; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:38:31 +0000 Message-ID: <008a01bf24b9$d47bdc20$5c36883e@bluejeans> From: "Matt" To: "Benjamin M. Manes" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Website: FreeBSD vs. Linux Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:38:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'll have to own up to not ever having seen that. > > Its not relevent.. but.. http://www.early.com/~emackey/linux/ Thanks. My last comment on this is 'do I not like that'. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 16:25:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD26314E32 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:25:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24349; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:25:15 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19991102112515.A24304@caamora.com.au> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:25:15 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: Matt , FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Website: FreeBSD vs. Linux Mail-Followup-To: Matt , FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <002501bf24b6$2ec9fb20$5c36883e@bluejeans> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <002501bf24b6$2ec9fb20$5c36883e@bluejeans>; from Matt on Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 10:11:51PM -0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts X-Originating-IP: [203.7.226.???] Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 10:11:51PM -0000, Matt wrote: > > It's not much, but it's a start: > > > > http://www.honk.org/~mpoulin don't forget oone of the best resource sites for real information about the real differences between microsoft dos based product and unix in general. http://www.kircher.org its something like that, i used to have a link on my own webserver, but its hard disk is now dong time as a doorstop. it give much better and more relevent information than, > Theres always the comparison in Greg Lehey's book 'The Complete FreeBSD'. i can relate to what you say here, > After starting out with Microsoft I've been using Linux for about a year, > and only found out about FreeBSD a couple of months ago. Although I'll > continue to use both, I do prefer FreeBSD. > Linux has some great/easy config tools as well like SUSE's YAST, and RedHats > Linuxconf. They make setting up printers, modems and PPP etc a breeze. Of > course you can do it by hand if you prefer. I'd like to see FreeBSD have a > similar tool - just so the choice is there. this can be a blessing someof the time, and a curse most of the rest of the time. when i got my forst dec tulip nic a few years ago, i also tried to install redhat v4 (or 5, i forget now) and couldn't break out of the bloody awful config tool to set up my other wise quite generic and all very much top drawer industry standard hardware. these fully automated installation scripts are well nd good if you have exactly the same hardware as the person who wrote the damnable script, or your own hardware is so close its not worth mentioning the differences. freebsd has a good alround installation mechanism that allows you as much flexability as can be expected from a self referencing almost ai (artificailly intelligent) descision making tree. if you have trouble yo can get around it, and the system dosent fight you evry inch of the way. i'd vote for more development of a "one shell does all" type of installation tool as long as we keep our current lvel of flexability with regards to a get your hands dirty, know yor hardware type of installation. this is also part of why unix in general and linux (it is really a minix (kernel) clone) along with thier endusers are such a stable lot. people know thier hardware and can fix what goes wrong, unlike the whitegoods world of commodity computers and one size fits all type of operating systems, be they from teh microsoft stable, the linux camps, bsd beasties or whatever else is out their in "control teh silicon inside your box land". > The other nice thing about FreeBSD is that there is only one. How many Linux > disributions are there? Each has a different set of software and a different > config tool and it is really confusing deciding which one to try first. > Not forgetting that FreeBSD can run some Linux binaries, whereas the > opposite is not true. well thier is openbsd (the security conscious one) and netbsd (the world domination aspirere) .. that makes three distributions that i can count .. grin, opps nearly forgot picobsd. hopefully we too will stop with only 4 versions of the truth. > As for performance, well FreeBSD 'seems' a bit slicker on my system - I > think it handles swap in a different way so maybe thats why (I don't really > know as I'm no expert). its teh networking (tcp/ip), freebsd still has a significant edge over linux especially under real load and in really tight situations .. this is as much a legacy of the way freebsd is developed as it is to the hardyness and resiliance of teh original tcp/ip stack, which is robust to begin with. as for the rest, well we use teh same gnu tool kit they do and they use the same gnu tool kit we do to a more or less degree so thier isn't all that much to crow about so to speak. as a freind of mine once said, i can see why thier are far more freebsd based "big commercial" sites that thier are linux ones. this is a paraphrase of a chunck of converstion almost taken out of context, here. but, it describes about the only real and tangible difference between microsoft windows nt, linux pick your distribution and any of the bsd's. we were discussing the merits of replacing a venerable, old and reliable ms windows v3.51 server with a " fast food, takeout" type of unix system. warm regards jonathan. -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 22: 9:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop05.iname.net (pop05.iname.net [165.251.8.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB55D14F35 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:09:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from npratt@mail.com) Received: from mail.com (ppp198-98.ecom.net [207.138.198.98]) by pop05.iname.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00787; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 01:09:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <381E8074.B9AB3B28@mail.com> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:11:01 -0800 From: Noah Pratt Organization: AlphaBit Computer Systems & Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Mactaggart Cc: FreeBSD Newbies , Carsten Holst Subject: Re: A few questions References: <199910312152370110.0116E383@mail.holstweb.dk> <011001bf2489$ab82d1a0$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Martin Mactaggart wrote: > The mascots of both are approximately equally cute, which is, of > course, an important consideration. Absolutely untrue! You see, the stupid penguin just stares blankly out into space. Does it even have a name? Chuck clearly has a personality. I even think he likes to cause trouble. How much trouble can a penguin get into? This is of course the most important consideration when choosing an operating system. -Noah To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 1 22:16:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BEB153CB for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:16:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA81541; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:17:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:17:44 -0600 From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Noah Pratt Cc: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <381E8074.B9AB3B28@mail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You see, the stupid penguin just stares blankly out into space. Does it even > have a name? Chuck clearly has a personality. I even think he likes to cause > trouble. How much trouble can a penguin get into? This is of course the most > important consideration when choosing an operating system. How exactly did he get the name chuck, anyways? Mr. McKusick has numerously stated that he would never have named the beastie that.. I do like the whole guardian spirit aspect... definately goes with the overall attitude of BSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 2:25:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from guppy.pond.net (guppy.pond.net [205.240.25.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A3D14FBC for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:25:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmp@aracnet.com) Received: from aracnet.com (snapuser2-89.pacificcrest.net [216.36.34.89]) by guppy.pond.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24465; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:13:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <381EBB23.71658E8E@aracnet.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:21:23 -0800 From: "D.M.P." Organization: dmp@aracnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Manjoine Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: encryption in freebsd References: <4.1.19991101141319.00bdbaa0@mail.vpr.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Manjoine wrote: > > > I have resently updated my freebsd from 3.2 to 3.3. > > I got everything put back in place and everything runs fine except > > for logins > > I found out after comparing a new login that works to the old > > logins in the master.passwd file that the encryption is different > > I think I am using DES encryption rather than MD5 is there any way > > I can convert the MD5 encrypted logins to DES or can I change the > > default authentication to MD5? You can't convert the MD5 passwords to DES, but you install the DES encryption from sysinstall. -- "Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity. Truth and faithfulness are the most sacred excellences and endowments of the human mind." -- Cicero To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 3:16:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E0414E45 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p114.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.114]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA60724 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:16:12 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA00521 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:56:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:56:11 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I do like the whole guardian spirit aspect... definately goes with the > overall attitude of BSD. Isnt there a "How cool is FreeBSD" chapter in the FAQ ? Btw, the Stones once had a hit "Sympathy for the devil"...... H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 4: 7:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.cinci.rr.com (fe4.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081DF1540A; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 04:07:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfincher@cinci.rr.com) Received: from cinci.rr.com ([24.29.25.73]) by mail4.cinci.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:59:13 -0600 Message-ID: <381EE199.BE53BDE3@cinci.rr.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:05:29 -0500 From: Charlie Root X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: can't use internet after recompiling kernel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, for some reason unknown to me, I can't recompile a kernel that is slimed down to only my network card drivers but still uses DHCP to access the internet. I'm a relative newcomer to freebsd, so I don't know all that much about what each individual option in my config files does. I have a 3com 3c90x (boomerang, XL, whatever you want to call it) using dhcp to acquire its IP address from my cable provider. When I recompile the kernel without most of the extra stuff, it does not run dhcp and therefore I have no internet (right now I'm booted off the generic kernel). I'm using FreeBSD 3.3. If someone wouldn't mind scanning my config file and telling me what i'm doing wrong, I would be very happy indeed. :-) machine "i386" cpu "I686_CPU" ident TWEEDMACHINE maxusers 64 #options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MFS_ROOT #MFS usable as root device, "MFS" req'ed #options NFS #Network Filesystem #options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, "NFS" req'ed #options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options "CD9660_ROOT" #CD-ROM usable as root. "CD9660" req'ed options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] #options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options FAILSAFE #Be conservative options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) syscall trace support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores config kernel root on wd0 # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optionally these may need tweaked, (defaults shown): #options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs #options NBUS=4 # number of busses #options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs #options NINTR=24 # number of INTs controller isa0 controller pnp0 # PnP support for ISA controller eisa0 controller pci0 # Floppy drives controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 # IDE controller and disks options "CMD640" # work around CMD640 chip deficiency controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 # ATAPI devices options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM device acd0 #IDE CD-ROM device wfd0 #IDE Floppy (e.g. LS-120) # SCSI Controllers # A single entry for any of these controllers (ncr, ahb, ahc) is # sufficient for any number of installed devices. #controller ncr0 # NCR/Symbios Logic #controller ahb0 # EISA AHA1742 family #controller ahc0 # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices #controller amd0 # AMD 53C974 (Teckram DC-390(T)) #controller isp0 # Qlogic family #controller dpt0 # DPT Smartcache - See LINT for options! #controller adv0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? #controller adw0 #controller bt0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? #controller aha0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? # SCSI peripherals # Only one of each of these is needed, they are dynamically allocated. controller scbus0 # SCSI bus (required) device da0 # Direct Access (disks) #device sa0 # Sequential Access (tape etc) #device cd0 # CD #device pass0 # Passthrough device (direct SCSI) # Proprietary or custom CD-ROM Interfaces #device wt0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 5 drq 1 #device mcd0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 10 #device matcd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio #device scd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD tty device atkbd0 at isa? tty irq 1 device psm0 at isa? tty irq 12 device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? tty # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? tty #options XSERVER # support for X server #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the PCVT lines #options PCVT_SCANSET=2 # IBM keyboards are non-std # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at isa? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Power management support (see LINT for more options) device apm0 at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support #controller card0 #device pcic0 at card? #device pcic1 at card? # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? port? flags 0x40 net irq 7 controller ppbus0 # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt0 at ppbus? # Printer #device plip0 at ppbus? # TCP/IP over parallel #device ppi0 at ppbus? # Parallel port interface device controller vpo0 at ppbus? # Requires scbus and da0 # PCI Ethernet NICs. device al0 # ADMtek AL981 (``Comet'') device ax0 # ASIX AX88140A device de0 # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') device fxp0 # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) device mx0 # Macronix 98713/98715/98725 (``PMAC'') device pn0 # Lite-On 82c168/82c169 (``PNIC'') device rl0 # RealTek 8129/8139 device sf0 # Adaptec AIC-6915 DuraLAN (``Starfire'') device tl0 # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN device tx0 # SMC 9432TX (83c170 ``EPIC'') device vr0 # VIA Rhine, Rhine II device vx0 # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'') device wb0 # Winbond W89C840F device xl0 # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') # ISA Ethernet NICs. # Order is important here due to intrusive probes, do *not* alphabetize # this list of network interfaces until the probes have been fixed. # Right now it appears that the ie0 must be probed before ep0. See # revision 1.20 of this file. device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 device ie0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 device ex0 at isa? port? net irq? device fe0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq ? device le0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 device lnc0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 drq 0 device cs0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq ? # requires PCCARD (PCMCIA) support to be #device xe0 at isa? port? net irq ? # PCCARD NIC drivers. # ze and zp take over the pcic and cannot coexist with generic pccard # support, nor the ed and ep drivers they replace. #device ze0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 #device zp0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device sl 1 # Kernel SLIP pseudo-device ppp 1 # Kernel PPP pseudo-device tun 1 # Packet tunnel pseudo-device pty 16 # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's # The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # The number of devices determines the maximum number of # simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable. #pseudo-device bpfilter 1 #Berkeley packet filter If you got down this far, thank you so very much for doing this. Jeremy P.S. Don't ask about the name :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 5:25:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2027156A8; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:25:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.040 #1) id 11idwH-0001ey-00; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:25:29 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Charlie Root Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can't use internet after recompiling kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:05:29 EST." <381EE199.BE53BDE3@cinci.rr.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:25:29 +0200 Message-ID: <6383.941549129@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:05:29 EST, Charlie Root wrote: > #pseudo-device bpfilter 1 #Berkeley packet filter I think our DHCP implementation still needs that. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 6:42:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B6915139; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:42:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.040 #1) id 11if8o-0001zJ-00; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:42:30 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Marc Silver Cc: Charlie Root , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can't use internet after recompiling kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:34:38 +0200." <19991102163438.T22585@is.co.za> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:42:30 +0200 Message-ID: <7644.941553750@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:34:38 +0200, Marc Silver wrote: > I always thought it was a nice feature. The very fact that > bpf is disabled by default means that even if the box is hacked > and the kernel is in securelevel, tcpdumps become more difficult > and sniffing too. :) > > Am I correct in assuming this? Provided that you understand that "more difficult" means nothing in the real world, yes. In this case "more difficult" equates to exactly one reboot, not to mention the fact that someone has root on your box and you're in big trouble already. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 7:27:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (mailstop.cstone.net [205.197.102.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D856915401 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:27:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (snowcrash.cstone.net [209.145.66.12]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:25:07 -0500 Message-ID: <381F0348.1A4F63FD@cstone.net> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 10:29:12 -0500 From: Sean Michael Whipkey Organization: Cornerstone Networks, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noah Pratt Cc: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Re: A few questions References: <199910312152370110.0116E383@mail.holstweb.dk> <011001bf2489$ab82d1a0$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> <381E8074.B9AB3B28@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Noah Pratt wrote: > You see, the stupid penguin just stares blankly out into space. Does it even One of my coworkers (the one who got me hooked on FreeBSD, in fact) maintains that the penguin is stoned. Of course, if you look at the Slackware penguin, he has the pipe...all we need is a graphic of him holding a lighter over it. SeanMike -- Sean Michael Whipkey - highway@cstone.net - www.cstone.net Engineering Department, Cornerstone Networks, Inc. 804.817.7000 - Report spam with headers to: spam-report@cstone.net "For a kingdom of ultimate evil, it was a little disappointing." - L5R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 7:27:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9E215401 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:27:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p196.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.196]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA135388 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:26:49 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA00928 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:14:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:14:44 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mail failure (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmmm, thats the output of microsoft, you dont see who the adressee was, whose mailbox is full. H. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:27:00 +1100 From: PostMaster7 To: Heiko Recktenwald Subject: Mail failure [008] Failure delivering user mail due to mailbag contention. Mail item was not delivered to: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note From: Heiko Recktenwald To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A few questions Date: 1999-11-02 21:56 Priority: 3 Message ID: 598E00D01391D311AE790008C724ADD2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 9:33:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66B314A05 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:33:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p100.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.100]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA118370; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:33:07 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA01289; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:12:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:12:52 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: Carsten Holst Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <199910312152370110.0116E383@mail.holstweb.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am looking for an alternative to Windows, and am currently considering freeBSD and linux. The problem I'm having is finding the difference between linux and freeBSD. Is there any? If there is, what are they? Hmmm......, an "alternative" ? IMHO its rather impossible to dump Windoze completely. If you want to use all the nicenst things that flow around in the net. So, see if you can get a second old box, an old pentium or an old 486. How much hardware have you ? H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 9:33:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A808214A1E for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:33:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p100.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.100]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA70002; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:33:10 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA01209; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:44:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:44:47 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: Noah Pratt , FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <381F0348.1A4F63FD@cstone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How "cool" > Of course, if you look at the Slackware penguin, he has the pipe...all > we need is a graphic of him holding a lighter over it. And I am shure, the Linuxists wouldnt like it............. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 9:44:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (edtnps04.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A097D14CB6 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:44:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swheeler@altech.ab.ca) Received: from ftmmpx01-port-52.agt.net ([161.184.224.53]:3763 "HELO shannon-s") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:44:04 -0700 Message-ID: <037001bf2559$e6027120$0307070a@shannon-s> From: "Shannon Wheeler" To: Subject: Re: A few questions Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:44:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Heiko Recktenwald Date: November 2, 1999 10:43 AM >> I am looking for an alternative to Windows, and am currently considering freeBSD and linux. The problem I'm having is finding the difference between linux and freeBSD. Is there any? If there is, what are they? > >Hmmm......, an "alternative" ? > >IMHO its rather impossible to dump Windoze completely. If you want to use >all the nicenst things that flow around in the net. It's strange... I used OS/2 for years then finally bit the bullet and installed Win95 when OSR2 (hmmm... OSR2 - OS/2? I never noticed that before) came out because that was about the time I needed a new printer and those new-fangled color bubble jets were getting cheap enough that I could afford them. With OS/2 I always had trouble finding drivers for new hardware, be it a video card, sound card, scanner, color printer, modem, video capture card, whatever. Now here I am, trying to minimize my exposure to Windows again but knowing that I'm facing the same problem. bummer. It's not the nice things flowing around the net that I want, it's the hardware support. oh well, sorry I've nothing to add here, Shannon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 9:55: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mvfx.com (mvfx-gw.mvfx.com [207.211.10.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6CA14CB6 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:54:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@mvfx.com) Received: from mobiledan.mvfx.com (mobiledan.mvfx.com [10.62.6.38]) by mvfx.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA89857 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@mobiledan.mvfx.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by mobiledan.mvfx.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA90929 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:54:58 -0800 From: Dan Piponi To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A few questions Message-ID: <19991102095458.C88305@mobiledan.mvfx.com> References: <199910312152370110.0116E383@mail.holstweb.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE Organization: Manex Visual Effects Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > IMHO its rather impossible to dump Windoze completely. If you want to use > all the nicenst things that flow around in the net. Do you mean 'buy' as opposed to 'flow around in the net'? I've bought some great Windows software but the good stuff on the web is generally for Unix-like operating systems. -- Dan Piponi Head of R&D Manex Visual Effects, Alameda, CA 94501, USA Phone: (510) 864 0600 Fax: (510) 864 9669 web: http://www.mvfx.com e-mail: dan@mvfx.com "There is no spoon" - The Matrix (1999) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 10: 6:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from 4collections.com (smtp.4collections.com [38.180.118.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7898514F45 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:06:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@4collections.com) Received: from dave ([192.168.1.4]) by 4collections.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09732 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:15:11 GMT Message-ID: <000901bf255c$a7450300$0401a8c0@4collections.com> From: "David Elliott-Liberty Collections" To: "Free BSD List" Subject: Hardware Suggestions Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:04:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been reading about some hardware compatibility issues & was wanting some suggestions. About to put together a bsd box to use as a firewall, web and mail server. No workstations will be connected to it directly but about 5 will be coming through the router to remotely connect to our main server & for mail retrieval. The web site won't be getting many hits either. Recommendations for video & network cards as well as CPU & RAM needs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 10:25: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680D614CE8 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:24:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA25158; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:24:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199911021824.KAA25158@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: david@4collections.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Suggestions In-Reply-To: <000901bf255c$a7450300$0401a8c0@4collections.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: "David Elliott-Liberty Collections" >Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:04:02 -0500 >I've been reading about some hardware compatibility issues & was wanting >some suggestions. About to put together a bsd box to use as a firewall, web >and mail server. No workstations will be connected to it directly but about >5 will be coming through the router to remotely connect to our main server & >for mail retrieval. The web site won't be getting many hits either. Did you check out http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/hw-configs.html? >Recommendations for video & network cards as well as CPU & RAM needs. For video, I'd expect that the least expensive working card you can get: you haven't mentioned any applications that would make use of any graphics capabilities, for example. Indeed, if you could make the BIOS talk to a serial port, that would be ideal.... (My Sun background may be showing, here.) As for a network card, 10/100 bps Ethernet cards are becoming fairly reasonable. Go with a PCI card -- it's much easier to configure (i.e., it moots the point). I picked up a couple of NetGear FA310TX cards for $20 each a while back, and though I'm only using them on a 10baseT network, they've been working well. I've also had good experience (here at work) with Intel NICs that others bought for use here, but I didn't see the point of paying the premium when it came time to spending my own money. As for your proposed network topology, I confess that I would prefer to split the work between a couple of different boxen -- one to do the firewall, and one ("behind" the firewall) to do the Web service. I realize that may not be feasible in your case, but that's my preference. And I run ipfw on any exposed machine, configured to reject requests other than those I want to accept. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 10:29:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cydonia.net (mail.cydonia.net [205.238.4.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A67E14F1D for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:29:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@mail.cydonia.net) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by mail.cydonia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12191 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:37:19 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:37:19 -0800 (PST) From: To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Array Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a system with a RAID array and a seperate OS drive. The os drive got smoked hard and I am having to completely reinstall the OS. Is there anything I will need to do other then add a line to /etc/fstab for the arrar for the new OS drive to see the array? Keith ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Keith keith@cydonia.net ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 10:30:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C0D14C84 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:30:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id TAA12062; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:30:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11iite-0001di-00; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:43:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:43:06 +0100 (CET) From: Adam Szilveszter To: Dan Piponi Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <19991102095458.C88305@mobiledan.mvfx.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Dan Piponi wrote: > > IMHO its rather impossible to dump Windoze completely. If you want to use > > all the nicenst things that flow around in the net. > > Do you mean 'buy' as opposed to 'flow around in the net'? I've bought some > great Windows software but the good stuff on the web is generally for > Unix-like operating systems. Hi! Well, I have used Win95 and NT4 for a while (also DOS and Win3.1, for that matter *grin*) before switching to FreeBSD. I have an average PC with average hardware wich means nothing obscure but also nothing state-of-the-art. I had almost no previous UNIX experience unless you consider reading your mail on a shell account "experience". I was interested to see what the whole thing was about and also the time was approaching when staying with NT would have meant investing heavily in hardware. I made the change and deleted Win completely. It took me some time to make things work (esp the sound with SB64) so I used a differnt machine until then but now everything is great. I never even think of using Win these days for anything. And of course, no h/w upgrade was needed. OTOH I can understand that people who are keen on games will still stick to Win9x but apart from that, FBSD now has pretty much everything else you might need... also in terms of h/w support. (at least if you do not want any of those "designed for Win9x/NT" things...it's absurd to design general hardware to suit a particular OS anyway.) as for the things that "flow around", well I think the original poster might have been referring to some Web content that can be had only if you have some great plugins/ActiveX controls and these are mostly for Win only...in terms of s/w I really could not name amnything the average user would miss... Cheers: Szilveszter ADAM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Adam Szilveszter * JATE Szeged * email: sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu * * Homepage : none * alternate email: cc@flanker.itl.net.ua * * Finger sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu for PGP key. * * I prefer using the door instead of Windows(tm)... * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 11:21:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.stofanet.dk (mail1.stofanet.dk [212.10.10.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FCDD15067 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:21:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carsten@holstweb.dk) Received: (qmail 30348 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1999 19:20:59 -0000 Received: from pc82023.stofanet.dk (HELO cholst) (212.10.5.23) by mail1.stofanet.dk with SMTP; 2 Nov 1999 19:20:59 -0000 Message-ID: <199911022020370760.008E76F5@mail.stofanet.dk> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.03.02 (3) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 20:20:37 +0100 From: "Carsten Holst" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: "Heiko Recktenwald" Subject: Re: A few questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi On 02-11-99 at 18:12 Heiko Recktenwald wrote: >Hmmm......, an "alternative" ? > >IMHO its rather impossible to dump Windoze completely. If you want to use >all the nicenst things that flow around in the net. I think you're right. What I ment by saying an alternative, was a second OS to install on my computer. It wasn't my idea to drop Windows completely (not to start with, anyway), but I use my computer for programming, web developing, Internet and writing papers - And all I ever hear about Linux/freeBSD is that is does every single of those things better than Windows.... So I thought I'd give it a try. >So, see if you can get a second old box, an old pentium or an old 486. >How much hardware have you ? I have thought of getting a second box, and am in fact still considering= it. But for starters I think I would prefer to install it on a separate= partition, on my current harddrive. How much gear (as in hubs or cables etc) does it take to make a win box and freeBSD box talk together?? About Linux vs. freeBSD, I would like to add, as a total newbie, that the= Linux community with all of the distributions seems rather confusing to= me, whereas the freeBSD seems less confusing because of there being only= one distribution. Another reason for me being partial to freeBSD, even= before trying either Linux or freeBSD out, is all of the nice replys I= have gotten on this list. Thanks!! On my way out, I just have one more, totally newbie, thing to ask. What's a= port collection?? -- Carsten Holst http://anything.dk http://holstweb.dk PS. Send flere penge! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 11:25:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail-in2.inet.tele.dk (mail-in2.inet.tele.dk [194.182.148.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D2A115448 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:25:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tj@pil.dk) Received: (qmail 1510 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1999 19:25:16 -0000 Received: from dyn201.soren.dk (HELO pil-power) (193.162.142.201) by mail-in2.inet.tele.dk with SMTP; 2 Nov 1999 19:25:16 -0000 From: "Thomas Jensen" To: "Carsten Holst" , Cc: "Heiko Recktenwald" Subject: RE: A few questions Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:25:55 +0100 Message-ID: <002201bf2568$151b4b40$c98ea2c1@pil-power> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199911022020370760.008E76F5@mail.stofanet.dk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On my way out, I just have one more, totally newbie, thing to ask. >What's a port collection?? short version: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ a little longer version: it offers a simple way for users and administrators to install applications the long version: not me sorry >-- >Carsten Holst >http://anything.dk >http://holstweb.dk >PS. Send flere penge! hit med et kontonummer :-) -- Med venlig hilsen Thomas Jensen PIL ApS: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 11:26:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD2515067 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:26:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11ijZb-000KBs-00; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:26:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA60561; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:26:27 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:26:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Carsten Holst Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, Heiko Recktenwald Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <199911022020370760.008E76F5@mail.stofanet.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since you have been so nice, and haven't installed FreeBSD yet, we'll tell you... ;-) Ports are software that has been 'ported' to freeBSD from other OS's, usually Linux or Unix. FreeBSD has a wonderful method of keeping tabs on them all and easily installing them. On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Carsten Holst wrote: >On my way out, I just have one more, totally newbie, thing to ask. What's a port collection?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 11:34: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.anc.net (mail.anc.net [208.133.27.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB51214C99 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:33:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nakins@arkansas.net) Received: from littleone (max01-bt-17.bt.anc.net [209.12.2.210]) by mail.anc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09489 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:33:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <381F3BCC.5485@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 13:30:20 -0600 From: noel akins Reply-To: nakins@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth d5524d9e subscribe freebsd-newbies nakins@arkansas.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 11:37:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FB41525D for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:36:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA05119; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:36:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:36:15 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: Carsten Holst Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <199911022020370760.008E76F5@mail.stofanet.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Carsten Holst wrote: > How much gear (as in hubs or cables etc) does it take to make a win box and > freeBSD box talk together?? 1 network card per box, and 1 crossover ethernet cable to connect the two cards. That's the simplest way - there's also Serial or Parallel cables that can be used, but I wouldn't be able to tell you how (although the Handbook can...) > About Linux vs. freeBSD, I would like to add, as a total newbie, that the Linux community with all > of the distributions seems rather confusing to me, whereas the freeBSD seems less confusing because of > there being only one distribution. Another reason for me being partial > to freeBSD, even before trying either Linux or freeBSD out, is all of > the nice replys I have gotten on this list. Thanks!! > Our pleasure! Good luck with your installation. M To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 12:24:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.anc.net (mail.anc.net [208.133.27.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6906A1545C for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:24:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nakins@arkansas.net) Received: from littleone (max01-bt-17.bt.anc.net [209.12.2.210]) by mail.anc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05286 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:24:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <381F47B8.3AB7@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:21:12 -0600 From: noel akins Reply-To: nakins@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: what ports are needed? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I've bought a FreeBSD 3.2 cd set with a book. Will be getting it in a day or so by ups. There are over 2000 ports on these cd's. And, I don't know what I absolutly have to have. I want to install Apache/PHP/MySQL. I know I need an editor and X11, minicom, and some support files or libraries for the things I ve mentioned. I would like to add an ftp and irc client too. I want to hook my mac up to my FBSD box to simulate a web enivorment. Do I need to add some kind of ppp, dhcp or tcp/ip stuff? Or anything else? I have a small hard drive, only 700 mb. Any replies would be helpful. Thanks Noel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 12:57:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mojave.sitaranetworks.com (mojave.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF540154BE for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:57:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Message-ID: <19991102143215.48192@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:32:15 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: nakins@arkansas.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: what ports are needed? Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <381F47B8.3AB7@arkansas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <381F47B8.3AB7@arkansas.net>; from noel akins on Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 02:21:12PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 2 November 1999 at 14:21:12 -0600, noel akins wrote: > Hello, > I've bought a FreeBSD 3.2 cd set with a book. Will be getting it in a > day or so by ups. I hope you got it for a good price. 3.2 is an old version; the current version is 3.3. > There are over 2000 ports on these cd's. And, I don't know what I > absolutly have to have. I want to install Apache/PHP/MySQL. I know > I need an editor and X11, minicom, and some support files or > libraries for the things I ve mentioned. I would like to add an ftp > and irc client too. I want to hook my mac up to my FBSD box to > simulate a web enivorment. > > Do I need to add some kind of ppp, dhcp or tcp/ip stuff? You'll need at least TCP/IP if you want to talk to another machine. I don't know too much what your Mac will expect, though. Most of the ports are on the CD-ROMs. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 13:10:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA0D14DDB for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:10:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p40.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.40]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA51792 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:09:39 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA01382 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:37:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:37:45 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tilde in X. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think I cant find it out myself, so I ask: how can I get a Tilde ? Its easy in the console, its there, but not in X. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 13:21:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D917314C35 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:21:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-47-warw.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.47]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA16468 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:22:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <002901bf2578$35a6f2a0$2f2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <199910312152370110.0116E383@mail.holstweb.dk> <19991102095458.C88305@mobiledan.mvfx.com> Subject: Re: A few questions Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:21:19 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I reckon (for what it's worth) that my net experience is better with BSD than it ever was with MS. Have you seen the look of horror on Internet Exploders' face when you ask it to do a ftp? It takes it ten minutes to figure out that there are no advertising banners, no pictures, and, horror of horrors, most ftp sites have the sheer gall to be using something other than Windoze! I haven't tried it yet, but a friend reckons it is far quicker to drop to a DOS box to ftp, than to use Exploder. Regards Igor *********************************** Why does rain come straight down? Because God doesn't do Windows! *********************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Piponi To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:54 AM Subject: Re: A few questions > > IMHO its rather impossible to dump Windoze completely. If you want to use > > all the nicenst things that flow around in the net. > > Do you mean 'buy' as opposed to 'flow around in the net'? I've bought some > great Windows software but the good stuff on the web is generally for > Unix-like operating systems. > -- > Dan Piponi Head of R&D Manex Visual Effects, Alameda, CA 94501, USA > Phone: (510) 864 0600 Fax: (510) 864 9669 > web: http://www.mvfx.com e-mail: dan@mvfx.com > "There is no spoon" - The Matrix (1999) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 13:23:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5C614C35 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:23:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id NAA25828; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:22:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:22:59 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199911022122.NAA25828@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Subject: Re: Tilde in X. In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:37:45 +0100 (CET) >From: Heiko Recktenwald >I think I cant find it out myself, so I ask: how can I get a Tilde ? Its >easy in the console, its there, but not in X. Not exactly sure what the nature of the problem is. I'm typing this in an "xterm" window, and I'm able to type '~' just fine. It may have something to do with the definition of the keyboard you're using -- XF86Setup has a provision for selecting what kind of keyboard you're using, and you may have an unfortunate choice in /etc/XF86Config. Here's what's in the appropriate stanza of /etc/XF86Config on my machine: Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" XkbRules "xfree86" XkbModel "pc102" XkbLayout "us" EndSection You might find "xmodmap" of interest or use, as well. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 13:31:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF25A14C35 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:31:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@roadhouse.fsnet.co.uk) Received: from modem-88.caffeine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.56.88] helo=roadhouse.fsnet.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11ilWI-0001TH-00; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:31:11 +0000 Message-ID: <381F581B.FCD7AEC5@roadhouse.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:31:07 +0000 From: matt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Don Hansford Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A few questions References: <199910312152370110.0116E383@mail.holstweb.dk> <19991102095458.C88305@mobiledan.mvfx.com> <002901bf2578$35a6f2a0$2f2137cb@igor> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don Hansford wrote: [snip] >Have you seen the look of horror on Internet Exploders' face when you ask it to do a ftp? [snip] I'll second that! For my ftp in Windows I use Gozilla. You can of course always *buy* an ftp program for Windows - what an 'orrid thought. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 13:38: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from watson.ficsgrp.com (watson.ficsgrp.com [194.74.111.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5B814C35; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:37:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from harry.woodward-clarke@ficsgrp.com) Received: from mail.au.ficsgrp.com ([194.74.111.35]) by watson.ficsgrp.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA1B29; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:37:51 +0100 Received: from ficsgrp.com ([172.16.48.219]) by mail.au.ficsgrp.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id 278; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:40:44 +1100 Message-ID: <381F5959.4621951D@ficsgrp.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:36:25 +1100 From: Harry Woodward-Clarke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charlie Root Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can't use internet after recompiling kernel References: <381EE199.BE53BDE3@cinci.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Jeremy, firstly - please don't send stuff as 'Charlie Root' - buggers up my mail-box rules :') > > Ok, for some reason unknown to me, I can't recompile a kernel that is > slimed down to only my network card drivers but still uses DHCP to > access the internet. Ok, let me try and nut this out. You've customised your kernel config file (as attached) and you want to use DHCP to pick up your ip address from your ISP? I think, trying hard to recall, that you need to have included in the kernel the Berkley Packet Filter stuff. So where you have the bpfilter line commented out, I think you need it in. > > # The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. > # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! > # The number of devices determines the maximum number of > # simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable. > #pseudo-device bpfilter 1 #Berkeley packet filter Also, I think you need to have a number in the order of '4' (not one), and you need to MAKEDEV the bpf* devices in the /dev directory. > > If you got down this far, thank you so very much for doing this. > > Jeremy > > P.S. Don't ask about the name :-) Ok, I won't :') hth, |-| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 15:40:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B99A14C26 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:40:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p253.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.253]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA62338; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:39:56 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA00426; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:09:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:09:32 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: Don Hansford Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <002901bf2578$35a6f2a0$2f2137cb@igor> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I haven't tried it yet, but a friend reckons it is far quicker to drop to a > DOS box to ftp, than to use Exploder. Well, Exsomething is a bad exemple for something that is flowing through the cables, free like free bear, but I must confess that most of my net experiences were with DOS and I even was lucky enough to bring some more learned people to make htget, imagine, the power of www with 37 kb. I think there is something called fetch on our machines, much much better, I presume. But those were the days of my dear and noble old Toshiba T 1000..... Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 15:40:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624F514EBA for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:40:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p253.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.253]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA90344; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:40:01 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA00439; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:20:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:20:39 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: Adam Szilveszter Cc: Dan Piponi , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, nice topic: > controls and these are mostly for Win only...in terms of s/w I really > could not name amnything the average user would miss... You mention your soundcard, I tried to install rosengarden for MIDI yesterday...... Heiko We all know that it is a server OS. Yes, gimp etc are great. Gifsicle cant be beaten, if you know what you want. But if you have two computer and an ethernet cable, why not give one of them a windoze partition ? I would never run a serious ftpd on a windoze but I am curious, how apache looks on this os. (I could, if my pentium wouldnt freeze of something if I touch it, so some hours silentio...) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 15:40:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC84B14D81 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:40:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p253.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.253]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA140148; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:39:58 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA00483; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:32:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:32:46 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: David Wolfskill Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tilde in X. In-Reply-To: <199911022122.NAA25828@pau-amma.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks, I'll check those things. Maybe the best would be to get an american keyboard. (Like I have it for my Mac ;-) But there is, maybe, also a way to get this ASCII character in a direct way. Some keycombinations.............well, its not the perfect way, but if you want to have such a tilde somewhere... and I remember darkly having read something about producing ASCII with other keys in the news. Heiko On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, David Wolfskill wrote: > Here's what's in the appropriate stanza of /etc/XF86Config on my > machine: > > Section "Keyboard" > Protocol "Standard" > XkbRules "xfree86" > XkbModel "pc102" > XkbLayout "us" > EndSection > > > You might find "xmodmap" of interest or use, as well. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 2 21:31: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DBC14C1F for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:31:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id GAA12399 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:31:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA50571 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:08:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Tilde in X. Date: 3 Nov 1999 04:08:58 +0100 Message-ID: <7vo90a$1hc3$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > I think I cant find it out myself, so I ask: how can I get a Tilde ? Its > easy in the console, its there, but not in X. There are two things wrong with your question: 1. It should have gone to the freebsd-questions mailing list. Really. See the list charter. 2. You neglected to provide information on your setup. For example, I have a hunch telling me that you are using a German keyboard mapping. 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I'm working on a tyan 1668 dual ppro MB wit a matrox millenium 2mb with a additional 2mb daughter card. But I haven't been able to get it to work well. Either startx doesn't work or it works but the whole screen is covered with vertical lines. the box is 2.2.8 ( I like it better then 3.x.x ). the xfree86 is what ever came with the distribution. I'm just not sure what the vertical lines are indicative of so it hard to figure out what settings I need to fix. I'm also wondering if i should do a reinstall of xfree86. By the way how do you check to figure out what version your using of the packages your installing? or Have installed? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me a lot of money." -JH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 3 8: 9:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hodnet.dev.nanoteq.co.za (hodnet.dev.nanoteq.co.za [196.7.114.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2EE15039 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:09:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rk@nanoteq.co.za) Received: from nanoteq.co.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hodnet.dev.nanoteq.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02905 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:11:57 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from rk@nanoteq.co.za) Message-ID: <38205ECD.3755D48D@nanoteq.co.za> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:11:57 +0200 From: Riaan Kruger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE-990722 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xfree86 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A lot of vertical lines ussaully indicate an incorrect refresh rate or a wrong X server (im not 100% sure about this) This could be becuase of your X setup has a refresh rate that your screen can't handle. Also maybe you have chosen the incorrect X server (i'm not 100% ) sure about this. If you are not sure what to do next, tell me a bit more about your problem, such as: - what type of Xserver are you using (You can see this by doing a ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/X) - how does X configuration look like (the file /etc/XF86Config) more specific the sections 'Monitor' and 'Device' Riaan Kruger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 3 10: 6:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407E514D86 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:06:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.105.241] (helo=propro) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11j4nl-0009lj-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:06:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:05:50 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: rpc.rstatd :-) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently I discovered 'rup', which shows me the uptime and load of all machines on my little lan, after I made sure rpc.statd was running (through inetd) on all of them. Quite nice. I played around a little with a small script to use 'rup' to display the uptime in my sig-file (see below). Unlike uptime it leaves out the number of users in its output, which I like. Anyway, this script worked, so I put it into /etc/crontab and went to bed. This morning I had very many messages in my mailbox from cron, saying rup timed out... I don't know exactly what happened, but I suppose I started rpc.statd manually in addition to it being run by inetd. The size of it as reported by top was 257MB this morning... (I have 256MB RAM). It was indeed not working. When I killed it, it worked again. I suppose the inclusion of rpc.statd in a cronjob combined with running it on its own made it grow and grow and grow. Never do this, unless you like a lot of mail in the morning :-) Marc Schneiders marc@venster.nl marc@oldserver.demon.nl propro 1:20pm up 7 days, 7:02, load average: 2.00 2.00 2.00 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 3 10:15:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bartman.ic.sunysb.edu (bartman.ic.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6EA14F58 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:15:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mccheng@ic.sunysb.edu) Received: from sparky.ic.sunysb.edu (mccheng@sparky.ic.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.3]) by bartman.ic.sunysb.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24721 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mccheng@localhost) by sparky.ic.sunysb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA13210 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:03:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sparky.ic.sunysb.edu: mccheng owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:03:44 -0500 (EST) From: Ming C Cheng X-Sender: mccheng@sparky To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: dual booting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org good morning, i have a question about dual operating system using windows95 or 98 in conjunction with freebsd. i would like to know how this can be made possible, like what should i expect to see when i attempt to install freebsd after having installed a version of windows95 or 98. in addition, is there a place where i can obtain documentation for such actions? i would like to use these as future references. thank you for your time, _____________ |\ | /| _______ ______ | \ | / | | | | | | \ | / | | | | | | \ | / | |_______| |------| | \ | / | | | | | |_____\|/_____| | | |------| _______|______ |_______| | | _______|________ / ..| / | | \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 3 10:30:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D073814F04 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:30:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11j5Az-000BYO-00; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:30:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA69380; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:30:28 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:30:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Ming C Cheng Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dual booting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org www.freebsd.org chack the FAQ and handbook.. they will answer all your questions.... On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Ming C Cheng wrote: >good morning, i have a question about dual operating system using >windows95 or 98 in conjunction with freebsd. i would like to know how >this can be made possible, like what should i expect to see when i attempt >to install freebsd after having installed a version of windows95 or 98. >in addition, is there a place where i can obtain documentation for such >actions? i would like to use these as future references. > >thank you for your time, > > _____________ > |\ | /| _______ ______ > | \ | / | | | | | > | \ | / | | | | | > | \ | / | |_______| |------| > | \ | / | | | | | > |_____\|/_____| | | |------| > _______|______ |_______| | | > _______|________ / ..| > / | | \ > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -jonathon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 3 10:43: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9642314A2D for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:43:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA06850; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:40:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:40:36 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre Reply-To: Marty Poulin To: Ming C Cheng Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dual booting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/multi-os/index.html deals wtih exactly what you are looking for. - M - On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Ming C Cheng wrote: > good morning, i have a question about dual operating system using > windows95 or 98 in conjunction with freebsd. i would like to know how > this can be made possible, like what should i expect to see when i attempt > to install freebsd after having installed a version of windows95 or 98. > in addition, is there a place where i can obtain documentation for such > actions? i would like to use these as future references. > > thank you for your time, > > _____________ > |\ | /| _______ ______ > | \ | / | | | | | > | \ | / | | | | | > | \ | / | |_______| |------| > | \ | / | | | | | > |_____\|/_____| | | |------| > _______|______ |_______| | | > _______|________ / ..| > / | | \ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 4 3: 6:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B25514CE5 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 03:06:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p247.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.247]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA116162; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:04:19 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA02530; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 04:20:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 04:20:55 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tilde in X. In-Reply-To: <7vo90a$1hc3$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks, to learn such things again and again we are here, and to get an american keyboard might be the simplest newbie strategy, strategies and structures, whats important and whats not important, how to survive in general with this hard to check os etcpp, IMHO newbiestuff. H. > There are two things wrong with your question: > 1. It should have gone to the freebsd-questions mailing list. Really. > See the list charter. > 2. You neglected to provide information on your setup. For example, I > have a hunch telling me that you are using a German keyboard > mapping. This is an essential fact you should include in your > question. > > -- > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 4 21: 0: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx09.globecomm.net (rmx09.iname.net [165.251.8.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D499E14DF3 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pratikpatel@writeme.com) Received: from web03_mc.mail.com by rmx09.globecomm.net (8.9.1/8.8.0) with SMTP id XAA16938 ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:59:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <384814441.941777952711.JavaMail.root@web03_mc.mail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:59:12 -0500 (EST) From: Pratik Patel To: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Subscription Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 202.144.20.177 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org suscribe FreeBSD-newbies __________________________________________________ FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 5 13:42: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0371E14C8F for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:41:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf243.surf24.de [212.62.193.243]) by mail.surf24.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01298; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:41:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:22:33 +0000 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: [Q] packaging system To: Vladislav Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <01080717073307.00729@ararat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue 07 Aug, Vladislav wrote: > Hi, > I have read that FreeBSD by March of '99 will > have a demo of a new packaging system that > should be great Cool to read this. Thanks for forwarding this to us. [snip jkh's info] > The reason I am asking this is because I have tried to install > the some of the BSD ports (after reading the handbook, of course) > and noticed that I can either retreive the source from internet > (using make install in the specific packages tree) or Which is "preferred" unless the port requires Motif (like nedit) which almost nobody has a licence for. > use pkg_add on the binary packages from CD 3 (rel 3-3). But I think > those tools do not check what other dependencies (packages) are missing and > then download what is needed precompiled from internet; or, > if you unstall something it would install the dependencies. Hm. I'm not sure. I find pkg_add will only look on the current medium for dependencies. When you do a pkg_add ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/packages/whatever.tgz it will fetch dependencies from the internet. (Recently happened to do that, so I definitely know that it works at least this way) > (I was using apt-get on Debian Linux). > So I am thinking that may be FreeBSD has other packaging None that I know of. > system that I am not using and may be I just need to enable it somehow? No, but that fact that you found this mail from Jordan speaks for itself. Hands up who searches all the BSDs' mailings lists before posting ? ;-) > (I did search freeBSD web site regarding this buy did not find > any specific links) Hm. I'd say that we need to wait 'till march. cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 5 13:55:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE2714E98 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11jrKP-000NWA-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA92486; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:24 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Rainer M Duffner Cc: Vladislav , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] packaging system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Rainer M Duffner wrote: >On Tue 07 Aug, Vladislav wrote: >> Hi, >> I have read that FreeBSD by March of '99 will >> have a demo of a new packaging system that >> should be great Hopefully the FBSD team will have learned from everyone else's mistakes and can also glean the best ideas from tarballs, RPM, and debian packages. I just hope it's well thought out, and doesn't turn into some monstrosity of mangled dependencies and disappearing install files that leave the user trying to sort out a big mess. Of course, the coherence of FreeBSD compared to Linux should be a clear preventive. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 5 17:30:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D99814BF4 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:30:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12858 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:30:09 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:30:09 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199911060130.MAA12858@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 6 18:37:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from work.in.com.au (host-216-226-198-165.interpacket.net [216.226.198.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA7214D9A for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:37:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asticha@in.com.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by work.in.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) id CAA34939 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 02:39:26 GMT (envelope-from asticha@in.com.au) Received: from host-216-226-198-170.interpacket.net(216.226.198.170), claiming to be "TOSHIBA" via SMTP by host-216-226-198-165.interpacket.net, id smtpdn34930; Sun Nov 7 02:39:18 1999 From: "Anthony Sticha" To: Subject: New to FreeBSD Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:35:24 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > > I am new at using FreeBSD having made the switch from using NT for our ISP. > I hav read and read and read the Handbook but ofter still come up against > practical questions I need ansers for. Can you steer me in the right > direction like a FreeBSD in 5 minutes Guide..... I mean I guess they don't > exist but some type of learning course.... There are so many for NT that it > seems that FreeBSD being what it is might have this sort of thing also. > > Thanks for your patience. > > Cheers, > > Anthony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 6 20: 0:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from teapot16.domain4.bigpond.com (teapot16.domain4.bigpond.com [139.134.5.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DCE2514DBF for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:00:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j_pana@bigpond.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot16.domain4.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id za309451 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:52:14 +1000 Received: from CWIP-T-003-p-221-175.tmns.net.au ([139.134.221.175]) by mail4.bigpond.com (Claudes-Coppertone-MailRouter V2.5 7/1582813); 07 Nov 1999 13:52:14 Message-ID: <37FC41C8.8CF0ED4C@bigpond.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:46:32 +1000 From: John Pana X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 6 21:12:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from www0a.netaddress.usa.net (www0a.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BE3F14DB4 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdi@usa.net) Received: (qmail 2096 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 1999 05:12:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19991107051236.2095.qmail@www0a.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.30 by www0a for [196.27.0.30] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Sun Nov 7 05:12:36 GMT 1999 Date: 7 Nov 99 07:12:36 EET From: Fawaz Talal To: "Anthony Sticha" Subject: Re: [New to FreeBSD] Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Anthony Sticha" wrote: > Hi, > > I am new at using FreeBSD having made the switch from using NT for our ISP. > I hav read and read and read the Handbook but ofter still come up again= st > practical questions I need ansers for. Can you steer me in the right > direction like a FreeBSD in 5 minutes Guide..... I mean I guess they do= n't > exist but some type of learning course.... There are so many for NT tha= t it > seems that FreeBSD being what it is might have this sort of thing also.= > > Thanks for your patience. > > Cheers, > > Anthony I have found that "The Complete FreeBSD, by Greg Lehey, 3rd Edition" is a= great start. Cheers, Fawaz Talal ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message